PDA

View Full Version : French interview of Dr Freeze about the next MJ album



lidwinee
28-01-2011, 08:02 PM
If you find this interview in english please share the link

http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2011/01/28/Interview-exclusive:-Dr.-Freeze-fait-des-r%C3%A9v%C3%A9lations-sur-le-prochain-album.../3233

lidwinee
28-01-2011, 08:07 PM
Interview exclusive: Dr. Freeze fait des révélations sur le prochain album...
Si de nombreux fans s'intéressent de près aux crédits de chaque albums de Michael Jackson, certains vont plus loin dans leur démarche. C'est ainsi que quatre membres du forum MJFrance ont réussi à entrer en contact avec Elliott Straite plus connu sous le nom de Dr. Freeze, c'est à dire le producteur de "Break Of Dawn" (Invincible), "A Place With No Name" ou encore "Blue Gangsta".

Dr Freeze a travaillé en studio avec Michael Jackson et livre dans une interview exclusive des infos très intéressantes rien que pour vous. Entrez ainsi plus profondément dans le secret des enregistrements du Roi de la Pop en découvrant cette interview en trois partie. Première partie aujourd'hui intitulée: Dr Freeze fait des révélations sur le prochain album... 

Quagmire : Je suis impatient de savoir comment vous avez commencé à collaborer avec Michael Jackson et comment il vous a contacté.

Dr. Freeze : Je connaissais bien son manager, John McClain, et je travaillais sur un album avec mes partenaires, Spydermann. Après avoir terminé l'album, ça ne s'est pas passé comme prévu et on a dû en annuler la sortie. J'étais très contrarié. Et puis John McClain m'a dit : «Ne t'inquiète pas Freeze. J'ai un autre projet pour toi. Je vais être en affaire avec Michael.» Je lui ai répondu: «Michael... qui?», et il m’a dit : «Michael Jackson!» Je n'y ai pas cru au début et je trouvais ça complètement dingue. Et puis un jour, j'étais au téléphone avec mon père et quelqu'un m'a appelé sur l'autre ligne… et c'était Michael ! C'est comme ça que tout a commencé. J'avais des chansons et je les ai présentées à Michael. Il les a adorées ! Parce que Michael et moi, on a un son très proche. Alors à chaque fois que je lui proposais un truc, c'était facile pour lui d'étudier la chanson, car c'était comme s'il la connaissait déjà. Je lui ai proposé des chansons et il les a adorées. Il les chérissait. C'est comme ça que nous nous sommes rencontrés.

Q : Parlons de "Break Of Dawn", qui est une super chanson. Je pense que c'est une des chansons les plus sensuelles qu'il ait jamais faites et c'est ce Michael que je voulais entendre. Je ne sais pas si vous le savez, mais c'est la première fois qu'il parle de faire l'amour dans une chanson. Je ne sais pas si vous aviez abordé ce sujet précis avec lui ?

F : (rires) Ouais, merci. C'était sa chanson préférée, c'était son bébé.

Q : Vous souvenez-vous du nombre exact de chansons que vous lui avez présentées ?

F : Je lui ai présenté beaucoup de chansons. Les principales chansons sur lesquelles nous avions travaillé sont "Break Of Dawn", "A Place With No Name" et "Blue Gangsta". Ces trois chansons étaient nos priorités. "Break Of Dawn" est une des chansons qui ont été finalisées. Les autres auraient dû sortir plus tard. On les gardait en réserve.

Q : Donc vous lui proposiez les chansons et Michael vous disait s'il aimait telle ou telle chanson. Si j'ai bien compris, il a tout de suite adoré Break Of Dawn, et à partir de là, il a décidé de se concentrer sur ce morceau en particulier. Que s'est-il passé ensuite ?

F : On enregistrait, on changeait de studio, on réenregistrait, on enregistrait d'autres chansons. Vous savez, "A Place With No Name" et "Blue Gangsta" ont été enregistrées à la même époque. Il y en a aussi d'autres dont je ne peux pas parler pour l'instant. Mais d'autres chansons ont été enregistrées. Nous avons beaucoup enregistré mais ces trois chansons étaient nos trois objectifs principaux.

Q : Quel était votre état d'esprit au premier jour de studio avec lui ? Comment vous sentiez-vous ?

F : C'était assez effrayant pour moi ! J'avais l'impression d'être de nouveau à l'école primaire et de ne rien connaître à la production ! Michael m'a tout réappris. Les autres producteurs et moi étions comme des étudiants face à un professeur. Avec Michael, c'était comme si on ne connaissait plus rien à notre métier : on devait repartir de zéro et tout réapprendre. Il nous apprenait à faire chaque chose de la meilleure manière qui soit : Michael était un perfectionniste et nous avons dû partir d'une feuille blanche pour produire la musique de la meilleure manière qui soit. J'étais très nerveux, très honoré mais très nerveux ! Mais bon, Michael était plus nerveux avec vous que vous ne l'étiez avec lui. Il était tout simplement la plus formidable des personnes avec laquelle vous pouviez jamais rêver de collaborer. C'était génial ! Il savait tout sur l'industrie du disque, tout sur tout, rien ne lui était étranger, et il m'a beaucoup appris. Enfin, il était très humble et créatif. C'était vraiment génial de travailler avec lui.

Q : Vous lui avez donc proposé "Break Of Dawn", et ensuite, vous avez dû refaire le morceau intégralement en suivant ses conseils ?

F : Non, il a juste eu à enregistrer les parties vocales… et y ajouter sa magie ! C’était comme si des fleurs et des arbres poussaient de la chanson ! Il l’a touchée et c’est devenu magique ! J’en étais bouleversé !

Q : Donc toutes les parties musicales et les paroles ont été faites au préalable ?

F : Oui, il a adoré la chanson ! Il voulait la laisser telle quelle ! Tout ce que j'avais fait sur ce morceau, personne n'avait le droit de modifier quoi que ce soit. Parce que ça sonnait comme il l'avait entendue la première fois : on avait eu un rêve, une vision, et il voulait retranscrire ce rêve en chanson dans ses moindres détails. Il ne voulait rien changer, il voulait garder la magie de la chanson absolument intacte. Ce que vous entendez sur Invincible, c'est exactement la version que je lui ai proposée avant qu'il n'y pose son chant.

Q : Combien de temps cela lui a-t-il pris pour enregistrer le chant ?

F : Ça lui a pris du temps car il voulait beaucoup d’ampleur dans la voix, surtout l'harmonie qu'on entend dans les chœurs. Ça a pris du temps. Le processus en studio était aussi long que si on était en train de tourner un film !

Q : À cette époque, travaillait-il aussi sur d'autres chansons pour Invincible ?

F : Oui.

Q : Donc il venait enregistrer ses prises de voix, les écoutait, les arrangeait, partait travailler sur d'autres chansons, puis revenait quelques jours plus tard pour faire d'autres prises ?

F : Oui, on faisait un travail incrémental. Parfois il enregistrait le chant principal, parfois c'était juste les chœurs ou des adlibs... Il écoutait également les différents mixages et changeait quelques détails par-ci par-là. Il était en plein processus créatif. On voulait que la chanson soit parfaite, et pour revenir à mon analogie sur le cinéma, il était un peu comme un réalisateur qui cherche à améliorer son film en faisant évoluer le script ou en changeant d'acteurs. C'est ce type de processus qu'il a utilisé pour créer cette chanson, et plus globalement, l'album Invincible.

Q : Donc en gros, il changeait un couplet, partait travailler sur une autre chanson, et quelques jours plus tard, il revenait vers vous pour faire à nouveau évoluer la chanson ?

F : Oui. Quand à son retour des changements avaient été effectués ou des idées avaient été proposées, il les écoutait attentivement. Il se posait aussi parfois et arrangeait deux ou trois choses. Au final, toutes les décisions lui appartenaient. C'était le boss. Il était ouvert à toute critique ou suggestion bénéfique à la chanson, tant qu'elle gardait son efficacité. Tout ce qui l’intéressait était d’avoir des hits en puissance.

Q : Qui a eu l'idée de reprendre "A Horse With No Name" du groupe America ?

F : C'est moi. Encore une fois, j’ai fait toute la musique, et il n’a eu qu'à apprendre les paroles. C’était au même moment que Break Of Dawn, mais elle n’est pas sortie et on a continué à travailler dessus après. On l'a améliorée petit à petit.

Q : Etait-elle prévue pour l'album Invincible ou un autre projet?

F : Initialement, elle était prévue pour Invincible, oui. Elle n’est pas sortie sur cet album et on l'a donc gardée en réserve, tout comme "Blue Gangsta".

Q : Par rapport à l'extrait qui a filtré sur Internet, peut-on s'attendre à des différences de mixage ?

F : Oui, ce que vous avez entendu est un ancien mixage. Celui que vous allez prochainement entendre est complètement nouveau.

Q : Vous avez dit «prochainement» ? Je veux bien en savoir plus !

F : "A Place With No Name" et "Blue Gangsta". seront toutes les deux sur le prochain album de Michael. "A Place With No Name" sera différente de la fuite sur internet, elle sera mise à jour. Pour "Blue Gangsta", j'ai réenregistré l'instrumental. Donc attendez-vous à des changements.

Q : Aviez-vous finalisé cette chanson avec Michael de son vivant ?

F : Tout à fait, elle avait été finalisée.

Q : Quel était votre ressenti sur Michael quand vous avez appris à le connaître un peu plus en studio ?

F : Il m'a appris non seulement à créer une chanson correctement, mais il m'a aussi donné des conseils sur l'industrie musicale dans son ensemble. Mon principal ressenti est qu'il était un génie absolu. J'ai eu la chance d'apprendre auprès d'un des plus grands. J'essaie de mettre en application ses conseils dans les projets que j'entreprends aujourd'hui : j'essaie de garder vivant l'esprit artistique de Michael Jackson. C'est un peu comme si j'étais diplômé de l'université musicale «Michael Jackson». Mais bon, pour en revenir à votre question, le mot «ressenti» est trop faible. Il n'existe pas de mot assez fort pour décrire ce que j'ai appris et vécu auprès du Roi de la Pop.

Q : Avez-vous des anecdotes croustillantes sur vos sessions en studio ?

F : Pas vraiment. Je me suis beaucoup amusé en travaillant avec lui. Michael était quelqu'un de drôle qui aimait vous faire des blagues. On parlait vraiment de tout ensemble, de jeux vidéo, etc. Puis on se remettait à bosser, la leçon reprenait. On était ébahis devant ses performances. Ça se passait comme ça.

Q : S'échauffait-il beaucoup vocalement avec d'enregistrer le chant ?

F : N'importe qui doit s'échauffer, que ce soit en sport ou en chant. On ne le voyait jamais faire ses vocalises devant nous, mais quand il arrivait en studio pour enregistrer, il se plantait devant le micro et mettait le feu à la chanson. Quant il partait, le studio était en cendres et nos mâchoires au sol. C'était vraiment impressionnant à voir.

mjmirror
28-01-2011, 08:08 PM
I translated it with google. It's quite interesting actually. :)


While many fans are very interested in appropriations for each album of Michael Jackson, some go further in their approach. Thus, four members of the forum MJFrance managed to get in touch with Elliott Straits best known under the name of Dr. Freeze, ie the producer of " Break Of Dawn "(Invincible)," A Place With No Name "or" Blue Gangsta ".

Dr. Freeze has worked in the studio with Michael Jackson and book in an exclusive interview very interesting news just for you. And enter more deeply into the secret recordings of the King of Pop when he discovered this three-part interview. Part one today titled: Dr. Freeze made revelations about the next album ... 

Quagmire: I'm eager to hear how you began working with Michael Jackson and how he contacted you.

Dr. Freeze: I knew his manager, John McClain, and I was working on an album with my partners, Spydermann. After completing the album, it did not go as planned and we had to cancel the exit. I was very upset. And then John McClain said, "Do not worry Freeze. I have another project for you. I'll be in business with Michael. "I said:" Michael ... who? "and he said:" Michael Jackson! "I did not believe it at first and I thought it was crazy. And then one day I was on the phone with my father and someone called me on the other line ... and it was Michael! That's how it all began. I had some songs and I made to Michael. He adored them! Because Michael and I, we have a sound very close. So every time I proposed something, it was easy for him to study the song because it was as if he already knew. I asked him songs and he adored. He cherished them. That's how we met.

Q: Speaking of "Break Of Dawn " , which is a great song. I think that's one of the most sensual songs he has ever made and that's what I wanted to hear Michael. I do not know if you know, this is the first time he talks about making love in a song. I do not know if you had addressed this very issue with him?

F: (laughs) Yeah, thank you. It was his favorite song was his baby .

Q: Do you remember the exact number of songs that you have presented?

F: I introduced him to many songs. The main songs on which we worked are "Break Of Dawn", "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". These three songs were our priorities. "Break Of Dawn" is one of the songs that have been finalized. Others have been released later. They are kept in reserve.

Q: So you suggest songs and Michael said if you liked a particular song. As I understand, he loved every Break Of Dawn, and from there he decided to focus on this particular song. What happened next?

F: We were recording, we changed the studio, we re-register, we recorded more songs. You know, "A Place With No Name" and "Gangsta Blue" were recorded at the same time. There are also some others I can not speak for now. But other songs were recorded. We saved a lot but these three songs were our three main objectives.

Q: What was your mindset in the first day in studio with him? How did you feel?

F: It was pretty scary for me! I felt to be back in primary school and not knowing anything about the production! Michael I relearned everything. The other producers and I were as students face a teacher. With Michael, it was as if we knew nothing more to our business: we had to start over and relearn everything. He taught us to do everything the best way possible: Michael was a perfectionist and we had to start from scratch to produce the music for the best possible way. I was very nervous, very nervous but very honored! Anyway, Michael was more nervous with you than you were with him. It was simply the most wonderful people with whom you could never dream of working together. It was great! He knew all about the music industry, everything about everything, nothing was foreign to him, and he taught me a lot. Finally, he was very humble and creative. It was really great to work with him.

Q: You have therefore proposed his "Break Of Dawn", and then you had to redo the song in full by following his advice?

F: No, he just had to record vocals ... and add his magic! It was like flowers and trees grew in the song! He touched her and it became magical! I was shocked!

Q: So all the musical parts and the lyrics were made in advance?

F: Yes, he loved the song! He wanted to leave it as is! All I had done on this piece, no one had the right to change anything. Because it sounded like he had heard the first time we had a dream, a vision, and he wanted to recreate this dream in song to the last detail. He did not want to change anything, he wanted to keep the magic of the song absolutely intact. What you hear on Invincible is exactly the version I've given him before he raises his voice there.

Q: How long did it take him to record the song?

F: It took him time because he wanted a lot of momentum in the voice, especially the harmony you hear in the chorus. It took time. Process studio was as long if we was spinning film!

Q: At that time, he also worked on other songs for Invincible ?

F: Yes .

Q: So he was taken to record his voice, listening to them, arranged them, started working on other songs, then returned a few days later to make additional catch?

F: Yes, it was incremental work. Sometimes he recorded the lead vocals, sometimes it was just the chorus or adlib ... He also listened to the different mixes and changed some details in here and there. He was in full creative process. We wanted song either perfect and return to my analogy on cinema he was like filmmaker seeking improve his film making evolve script or changing actors. This type of process it has used to create this song, and overall, the album Invincible .

Q: So basically, he changed a verse, started work on another song, and a few days later, he came to you to change the song again?

F: Yes. When he returned changes were made and ideas were proposed, he listened attentively. It also arose at times and arranged two or three things. Ultimately, all decisions were his. It was the boss. It was open to any criticism or suggestions beneficial to the song, as it kept its effectiveness. All that interested him was to have hits in power.

Q: Who had the idea of taking "A Horse With No Name" group America?

F: That's me. Again, I did all the music, and he only had to learn the lyrics. It was at the same time as Break Of Dawn, but it is not extended and continued to work on it later. It has improved gradually.

Q: Was it planned for the album Invincible or another project?

F: Initially it was planned for Invincible, yes. It is not out on this album and was therefore kept in reserve as "Blue Gangsta".

Q: Compared to the extract leaked on the Internet, can we expect differences mixing?

F: Yes, what you heard is an old mix. One you'll soon hear is completely new .

Q: You said "soon"? I am willing to learn more!

F:  "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". will both be on the next album of Michael. "A Place With No Name" will be different from the leak on the internet, it will be updated. For "Blue Gangsta" I rerecorded the instrumental. So expect changes .

Q: Did you have completed this song with Michael in his lifetime?

F: Absolutely, it had been finalized .

Q: What were your feelings about Michael when you got to know a bit more in the studio?

F: It taught me not only to create a song correctly, but it also gave me advice on the music industry as a whole. My main feeling is that he was an absolute genius. I was fortunate to learn from one of the greatest. I try to apply his advice in the projects I undertake today: I try to keep alive the artistic spirit of Michael Jackson. It's like if I graduated from college musical "Michael Jackson". Anyway, getting back to your question, the word "feeling" is too low. There is no word strong enough to describe what I learned and lived with the King of Pop.

Q: Do you have any anecdotes about your studio sessions?

F: Not really. I had great fun working with him. Michael was someone who loved you make funny jokes. It really spoke to any set, video games, etc.. Then resumed his work, the lesson resumed. We were amazed at its performance. It happened like that.

Q: he warmed up with a lot vocally record the song?

F: Anyone who is warm, either in sports or singing. We never saw him do his vocal exercises before us, but when he came into the studio to record, he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left, the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. It was really impressive to see .



You will discover tomorrow the second part of this interview entitled: Dr. Freeze reveals the title of a novel.

Thank you to Quagmire, Bud, and Tristan Dovido MJFrance forum.

Ohood
28-01-2011, 08:21 PM
T-h-a-n-k y-o-u v-e-r-y m-u-t-ch !

J_H
28-01-2011, 08:23 PM
Thank you!

"F:  "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". will both be on the next album of Michael. "A Place With No Name" will be different from the leak on the internet, it will be updated. For "Blue Gangsta" I rerecorded the instrumental. So expect changes ."

That would be great.

French Fan
28-01-2011, 08:26 PM
And tomorrow he will give the name of an unknow unreleased song of invincible :) ( sorry for my english)

Speechless09
28-01-2011, 08:29 PM
Thank you for posting.:wild:

soulmum
28-01-2011, 08:37 PM
Sounds exciting, thanks for sharing this.

myosotis
28-01-2011, 08:41 PM
'...... when he came into the studio to record, he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left, the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. '


I love this quote from the interview. Thank you for sharing

GinnyJackson
28-01-2011, 08:44 PM
oh dear! I hope they have learned from the past mistake. But im excited

PCR
28-01-2011, 08:54 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG :bugeyed

This was PRICELESS!!!!!!!! :wild::wild::wild:

omg OMG omg OMG!!!!! Blue Gangsta absolutely finished by the King himself!!!!!! :swoon:



F: It was pretty scary for me! I felt to be back in primary school and not knowing anything about the production! Michael I relearned everything. The other producers and I were as students face a teacher. With Michael, it was as if we knew nothing more to our business: we had to start over and relearn everything. He taught us to do everything the best way possible: Michael was a perfectionist and we had to start from scratch to produce the music for the best possible way. I was very nervous, very nervous but very honored! Anyway, Michael was more nervous with you than you were with him. It was simply the most wonderful people with whom you could never dream of working together. It was great! He knew all about the music industry, everything about everything, nothing was foreign to him, and he taught me a lot. Finally, he was very humble and creative. It was really great to work with him.


That's the way a real genious work... teaching, helping, creating, sharing, staying humble, learning.... just think of that!!! :clapping:



Q: You have therefore proposed his "Break Of Dawn", and then you had to redo the song in full by following his advice?

F: No, he just had to record vocals ... and add his magic! It was like flowers and trees grew in the song! He touched her and it became magical! I was shocked!

So well describe!!!!! :wub:
that's what I feel in his every single song. that magic. that something. that very rare and special something he is the only one to add. OMG, this is ssoooooo true!!!! :clapping::clapping::clapping:



Q: So all the musical parts and the lyrics were made in advance?

F: Yes, he loved the song! He wanted to leave it as is! All I had done on this piece, no one had the right to change anything. Because it sounded like he had heard the first time we had a dream, a vision, and he wanted to recreate this dream in song to the last detail. He did not want to change anything, he wanted to keep the magic of the song absolutely intact. What you hear on Invincible is exactly the version I've given him before he raises his voice there.


Genious!!!!





Q: Compared to the extract leaked on the Internet, can we expect differences mixing?

F: Yes, what you heard is an old mix. One you'll soon hear is completely new . [me--> :bugeyed]

Q: You said "soon"? I am willing to learn more!

F:  "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta". will both be on the next album of Michael. "A Place With No Name" will be different from the leak on the internet, it will be updated. For "Blue Gangsta" I rerecorded the instrumental. So expect changes .

Q: Did you have completed this song with Michael in his lifetime?

F: Absolutely, it had been finalized .


:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed
:swoon:

:wild::wild::wild::wild:

:timer:






Q: What were your feelings about Michael when you got to know a bit more in the studio?

F: It taught me not only to create a song correctly, but it also gave me advice on the music industry as a whole. My main feeling is that he was an absolute genius. I was fortunate to learn from one of the greatest. I try to apply his advice in the projects I undertake today: I try to keep alive the artistic spirit of Michael Jackson. It's like if I graduated from college musical "Michael Jackson". Anyway, getting back to your question, the word "feeling" is too low. There is no word strong enough to describe what I learned and lived with the King of Pop.

Yes!!!!!! What a blessing to work with Michael Jackson!!! :yes:



Q: Do you have any anecdotes about your studio sessions?

F: Not really. I had great fun working with him. Michael was someone who loved you make funny jokes. It really spoke to any set, video games, etc.. Then resumed his work, the lesson resumed. We were amazed at its performance. It happened like that.

Bravo!!! Focus on the genius, tell us about his work, his genius, that's what we need to know :clapping:


when he came into the studio to record, he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left, the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. It was really impressive to see .

maaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn :swoon:


THANKS SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!
I am waiting for the next parts!!!
:wild:

_nita
28-01-2011, 09:46 PM
Thank you for posting this great interview!!!

JMie
28-01-2011, 10:17 PM
very interesting! thanks for posting and translating!

AndreyZidane™
28-01-2011, 10:42 PM
OMFG! God, please make this happen! I seriously hope they listened to what we (the fans) had to say and what we want to hear in the future...

rita.gibson
28-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Thank you for posting this brilliant interview and for translating.

This is what I love to read about. All of the people who have worked and then written about working with Michael in the studio, they all talk about the magic, the genius, the teacher and the master that he was.
It must have been so amazing to witness that. We all know how humble he was, but I never tire of hearing it again.

Thanks also to the members of mjfrance.

PCR
28-01-2011, 11:12 PM
Thank you for posting this brilliant interview and for translating.

This is what I love to read about. All of the people who have worked and then written about working with Michael in the studio, they all talk about the magic, the genius, the teacher and the master that he was.
It must have been so amazing to witness that. We all know how humble he was, but I never tire of hearing it again.

Thanks also to the members of mjfrance.

I couldn't agree more with your post, Rita!!!

:clapping:

heff
28-01-2011, 11:39 PM
great read , thanx

rita.gibson
28-01-2011, 11:40 PM
PCR, I loved your post too, (made me smile) you're excitement is what it's all about.

PCR
28-01-2011, 11:45 PM
PCR, I loved your post too, (made me smile) you're excitement is what it's all about.

LoL!
It's gotta be my Latin passion heheheheee :D

8701girl
28-01-2011, 11:49 PM
Aww i :heart: break of dawn its quite ummm sexy :blush: lol

ForeverKOP
28-01-2011, 11:50 PM
Q: Speaking of "Break Of Dawn " , which is a great song. I think that's one of the most sensual songs he has ever made and that's what I wanted to hear Michael. I do not know if you know, this is the first time he talks about making love in a song. I do not know if you had addressed this very issue with him?

F: (laughs) Yeah, thank you. It was his favorite song was his baby.


What does this part mean? Are there any French speakers here who can re-translate this from the original French text?

Vale4263
28-01-2011, 11:58 PM
What does this part mean? Are there any French speakers here who can re-translate this from the original French text?
The part was : "it was his favorite song, it was his baby."

(I'm not the one who made the interview).

PCR
28-01-2011, 11:59 PM
What does this part mean? Are there any French speakers here who can re-translate this from the original French text?

I think the translation is right:

F : (rires) Ouais, merci. C'était sa chanson préférée, c'était son bébé.

I guess this just means it was his favourite :)

Just think of that..... mmmmmm..... :girl_blush:

CaptainEoLove85
29-01-2011, 01:37 AM
A Place With No Name? Finally? I hope that's true! :wild:

xthunderx2
29-01-2011, 02:12 AM
Thank you so much for sharing this. Now THIS is what I want to read about Michael..his Genius in the studio. This is avery important part of Michael. I loved it..thank you.

xthunderx2
29-01-2011, 02:14 AM
Aww i :heart: break of dawn its quite ummm sexy :blush: lol
I have this on my Ipod..I listen to it everyday..:blush:.....I love it.

earthlyme
29-01-2011, 02:41 AM
:wild: This is Freaking BRILLIANT!!!! THANKYOU FOR SHARING!(Translating) I Cant WAITTT!!!! :D :D :D

And I agree, Break of Dawn is one of my fevs. from Invincible. His voice is soooo UNIQUE on there and Sexy! Dang, I was only 14 when I heard it and it got me thinking of things I shouldnt be thinkin' about. :blush: :cheeky:

The best thing about MICHAEL's Music is that its for all ages, you dont get embarrassed listenin' to him with your family members. And he even said he writes Most of his music for children to enjoy, he says : They're the best critics. :)

Mike, you had me at *Shmon* and still have me to this day, and will Have me forever. :yes::D I love you most.

I'll be here tomorrow to read the nxt part. :D


L.o.v.e.
Romi

8701girl
29-01-2011, 02:51 AM
I have this on my Ipod..I listen to it everyday..:blush:.....I love it.



I actually used to skip this song wheneva i used to listen to the album...it was just a lil embrassing lol

AndreyZidane™
29-01-2011, 08:56 AM
We're part two? :D I'm really excited to read it...

mistermaxxx
29-01-2011, 09:04 AM
thank you for this, peace

lidwinee
29-01-2011, 12:13 PM
second part :
29
janv.
2011
Interview exclusive: Dr. Freeze révèle le titre d'un inédit...
Voici la suite de l'interview exclusive d' Elliott Straite plus connu sous le nom de Dr. Freeze, producteur de "Break Of Dawn" (Invincible), "A Place With No Name" ou encore "Blue Gangsta".

Dr Freeze a travaillé en studio avec Michael Jackson et livre dans une interview exclusive des infos très intéressantes rien que pour vous. Entrez ainsi plus profondément dans le secret des enregistrements du Roi de la Pop en découvrant cette interview en trois partie. Seconde partie aujourd'hui intitulée: Dr. Freeze révèle le titre d'un inédit...

Quagmire : Comme je vous l'ai dit plus tôt, "Break Of Dawn" contient des paroles très particulières. C'est très sensuel et c'est la première fois qu'il parle de faire l'amour. Comment se sentait-il par rapport à cela quand vous avez effectué les enregistrements, dans quel état d'esprit était-il? Avait-il des souhaits particuliers lors de ces sessions?

Dr. Freeze : Non, il m'a juste dit qu'il adorait la chanson. Je ne lui ai pas donné de consigne, il savait exactement quoi faire. Il a pris les commandes de l'avion, moi je me suis simplement occupé du décollage.

Q : En gros, il disait: "Allez on fait ce couplet encore une fois, Ell..." Au fait, est-ce qu'il vous appelait Elliot?

F : Non il m'appelait toujours "Freeze"!

Q : Et vous, vous l'avez immédiatement appelé par son prénom?

F : Absolument! Nous étions vraiment proches. En fait, pour être précis, je l'appelais par son diminutif "Mike" plutôt que Michael.

Q : Vous avez mentionné les jeux vidéos tout à l‘heure. Vous rappelez-vous des jeux vidéo auxquels vous jouiez avec lui à cette époque?

F : Dans sa maison, il avait plein de jeux vidéo. Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat et aussi Flight simulator. On passait un temps fou à jouer à ça.

Q : Vous jouiez dans les studios ou vous vous rendiez à Neverland?

F : Oui, je suis allé à Neverland, pour me détendre et pour travailler. On a beaucoup travaillé là-bas. Il avait un studio au ranch. Donc on bossait là-bas et parfois il me disait : "Allez, on fait une pause Freeze! Va t'amuser un peu, va dans la salle de projection, va sur une attraction ou va te promener dans le zoo!" Neverland, c'était un peu comme un deuxième chez-moi.

Q : Je ne savais pas que vous aviez travaillé à Neverland! C'est intéressant car nous n'avons pas beaucoup de détails sur le studio de Neverland. Était-ce un studio professionnel?

F : Oui, complètement, il avait beaucoup de matériel professionnel, Pro Tools, des trucs du genre, vous voyez?

Q : Savait-il s'en servir tout seul?

F : Absolument, Michael était incollable dès qu'on parlait de studio.

Q : En fait, nous savons qu'il ne pouvait pas vraiment jouer d'un instrument, donc on s'est toujours demandé s'il était capable d'enregistrer quoi que ce soit tout seul et sans l'aide d'un ingénieur ou d'un producteur.

F : Il pouvait tout faire lui même. Vous savez, Michael était vraiment un « instrument vivant ». Il pouvait jouer quelques accords sur un clavier, il se débrouillait pas mal. Il savait aussi programmer des beats.

Q : Pour en revenir à "Break of Dawn", pouvez vous nous dire pourquoi Michael Jackson ne chante pas les chœurs de cette chanson?

F : Et bien parce qu'il aimait ma version du refrain. Il trouvait ça très beau, et il voulait tout laisser tel quel. Il aimait ma manière de chanter. Il ne voulait rien gâcher : il aimait la façon dont je l'avais enregistré. Ma marque de fabrique est de faire les chœurs pour toutes les chansons que j'ai produites ("Poison", "I Wanna Sex You Up"). Je fais ça depuis toujours, et Michael a adoré mon chant sur "Break of Dawn".

Q : D'où nous est venue votre inspiration pour les chansons "Break Of Dawn", "Blue Gangsta" et "A Place With No Name" ? Comment se déroule votre processus créatif?

F : "Break Of Dawn" est juste une ballade romantique que j'ai écrite un jour. Pour "Blue Gangsta" je voulais faire un nouveau "Smooth Criminal". Quelque chose de plus moderne et ancré dans les années 2000. C'était l'idée de départ. "A Place With No Name" est quant à elle une sorte d'échappée, une chanson où il vous suffit de fermer les yeux pour vous retrouver instantanément dans un monde merveilleux. En fait, cette chanson est inspirée de "A Horse With No Name" du groupe America. Les paroles de cette chanson sont très profondes. Je voulais la réactualiser, en faire une version années 2000.

Q : Avez-vous eu obtenu les droits auprès du groupe rapidement? Avez-vous demandé une autorisation?

F : Oh absolument, le groupe America a adoré l'idée. Ils ont trouvé cette "mise à jour" absolument formidable. Ils étaient vraiment enthousiasmés par ce projet. Par rapport à l’extrait qui a filtré sur internet, beaucoup d’éléments magnifiques ont été ajoutés à la chanson par Michael. C’est plus dense, beaucoup plus dense. Croyez-moi, quand vous allez l'entendre, vous allez prendre votre pied !

Q : Donc vous n'y toucherez pas, elle sortira telle que vous l'aviez finalisée avec lui?

F : La chanson qui sortira sera la toute dernière version sur laquelle nous avons travaillé. Elle sera drastiquement différente de l'extrait (de juillet 2009) et bien plus énorme. En fait, cette chanson est très cinématographique dans sa forme. Ça aurait été une chanson idéale pour un film comme Avatar, car on nous y montre un monde merveilleux, étrange, où les gens sont différents mais heureux. Cette chanson, c'est un peu comme une évasion de notre quotidien, c'est une chanson où l'on est littéralement transporté.

Q : À propos de "Blue Gangsta" : un remix a été fait par Tempamental sous le nom "No Friend Of Mine"…

F : Ce n'est pas le nom de la chanson, c'est juste le refrain qui contient ces quelques mots. Le vrai titre est "Blue Gangsta". Quand j'ai entendu ce remix, je n'en revenais pas. Beaucoup de gens m'ont appelé à cause de ça et je ne comprenais pas ce qui s'était passé. Le souci, c'est que je ne sais même pas qui a sorti la chanson! Cela reste un vrai mystère. Pourquoi avaient-ils fait ça ? D'où venait ce rap dans la chanson? Comment s'y étaient-ils pris? En fait, on ne savait rien de cette histoire, ni moi, ni Michael. On n'a vraiment pas compris d'où venait cette fuite...

Q : Il y a encore quelques semaines, personne ne savait trop quelle était l'origine réelle de cette chanson, et comment Michael Jackson avait été impliqué dans ce projet.

F : Ouais, je sais, c'est complètement dingue. Le nom de la chanson n'était même pas le bon ! [Dr Freeze chantonne le refrain de la chanson au téléphone : "You ain't no friend of mine, put you put me through, I'm the nah blue gangsta."] C'était juste le refrain. Cela met en évidence l’ignorance des gens qui sont à l’origine de ces fuites sur internet : ils prennent la chanson et la mettent en ligne sans en connaître l'origine.

Q : Chez les fans, on n’a pas trop compris de quel projet il pouvait s’agir. C’était bizarre. On se doutait que quelque chose clochait, mais on ne savait pas exactement quoi...

F : Oui, la chanson n'a pas été présentée au public comme il fallait. Un mec a juste volé le morceau, y a ajouté un rap, et l'a balancé sur le net. Je n'étais même pas crédité, pas plus que Michael ! Elle a juste atterri là, sans aucune explication logique...

Q : Avez-vous terminé d'autres chansons avec Michael Jackson autres que ces trois-là?

F : Nous avons fait quelques autres chansons, je ne pense pas que nous ayons finalisé quoi que ce soit. Je ne suis pas sûr que je puisse vous en dire beaucoup plus.

Q : Au total, combien avez-vous écrit de chansons pour Michael?

F : Oh, environ une trentaine, et j'ai dû en enregistrer peut être cinq ou six avec lui.

Q : Et vous avez ces chansons en votre possession aujourd'hui?

F : La plupart de ses inédits sont dans les coffres maintenant. On n’a aucun contrôle dessus. Ils gardent tout dans les coffres.

Q : Donc c'est la succession (l'Estate) qui s'en occupe?

F : Oui, tout à fait. C’est John McClain qui s’en occupe.

Q : C'est le patron!

F : Oui, c'est le patron!

Q : Avez-vous pu écouter des chansons inédites?

F : Oui, j'ai pu écouter la plupart d'entre elles. Mais je ne peux rien dire, désolé. Je n'ai pas le droit de dévoiler quoi que ce soit.

Q : On peut jouer à un petit jeu à la place. Je vous donne des noms de chansons, et vous me dites si oui ou non vous les avez entendues. Avez vous entendu "Escape"?

F : "Escape"? Ça ne me dit rien.

Q : "Fear", "Face", ça vous dit quelque chose?

F : Non, rien du tout

Q : Avez-vous écouté "Do You Know Where Your Children Are" ?

F : Je l’ai entendue aux studios.

Q : "Crack Kills" ?

F : Jamais entendu parler.

Q : The "Gloved One" ?

F : Non.

Q : En fait, ce serait plus simple si vous nous donniez des noms… Pourriez-vous nous donner le nom d'un inédit qui vous a particulièrement marqué et nous en parler un peu?

F : Il y a une chanson qu'on a faite ensemble, mais je ne sais pas s'il a finalisé ses parties vocales. Elle s'appelle "Rise Above It All". C'est une chanson que j'ai écrite et sur laquelle on travaillait.

Q : De quoi parlait-elle?

F : C'est une chanson optimiste. Si vous vous sentez mal, quoi qu'il se passe de mal dans le monde, soyez positif et essayez d'être le plus heureux possible en laissant de côté tout l'aspect négatif des choses. Surmontez la négativité ambiante, outrepassez les malheurs du monde, toutes les guerres, tous les enfants affamés et toutes les mauvaises choses. Rassemblez-vous, tenez-vous la main, levez les mains au ciel et dépassez tout cela. C'est un peu le thème de la chanson. Je ne peux pas vous affirmer s'il a ou non enregistré le chant, mais en tout cas, on a travaillé dessus. Il y a d'autres chansons sur lesquelles on a collaboré. La plupart de ces chansons sont des mid-tempo, mais je ne peux rien dire de plus.

lidwinee
29-01-2011, 12:14 PM
tomorrow the third and last one

Memefan
29-01-2011, 12:16 PM
Thank you for posting....but I have a VERY hard time believing MJ did not contribute to any of these songs.

These songs are too personal.

OnirMJ
29-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Please translate in english..

respect77
29-01-2011, 12:33 PM
Thank you for posting....but I have a VERY hard time believing MJ did not contribute to any of these songs.

These songs are too personal.

On "Break of Dawn" he is credited as a co-writer on Invincible, although only on 2nd place behind Dr Freeze, which might be a sign that his contribution was limited. However I don't believe either that his contribution was zero. Why would be he then credited as co-writer?

Also Dr. Freeze first says the song is as he gave it to Michael, nothing was changed, but then later he says: "Sometimes he recorded the lead vocals, sometimes it was just the chorus or adlib ... He also listened to the different mixes and changed some details in here and there."

This is exactly why he was credited as a co-writer then. And then it's not true he didn't contribute at all.....

mjmirror
29-01-2011, 01:21 PM
Google translation:

29
Jan
2011
Exclusive Interview: Dr. Freeze found the title of an unpublished ...
Here is the result of the exclusive interview of Elliott Straits best known under the name of Dr. Freeze, producer of "Break Of Dawn" (Invincible), "A Place With No Name" or "Blue Gangsta".

Dr. Freeze has worked in the studio with Michael Jackson and book in an exclusive interview very interesting news just for you. And enter more deeply into the secret recordings of the King of Pop when he discovered this three-part interview. Second part today titled: Dr. Freeze found the title of an unpublished ...

Quagmire: As I said earlier, "Break Of Dawn" contains very specific words. It's very sensual and it's the first time he talks about making love. How did he feel over this when you made the recordings, in what state of mind was he? Were there any special wishes during these sessions?

Dr. Freeze: No, he just told me he loved the song. I do not give him orders, he knew exactly what to do. He took control of the plane, I'm just busy taking off.

Q: Basically, he said: "Go we do what verse again, Ell ..." By the way, is what you called Elliot?

F: No, he always called "Freeze"!

Q: And you, you immediately called by his first name?

F: Absolutely! We were really close. In fact, to be precise, I called him by his nickname "Mike" instead of Michael.

Q: You mentioned video games earlier. Do you remember the video games you play with him at that time?

F: In his house there were lots of video games. Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat and also Flight Simulator. We spent a lot of time playing it.

Q: You were playing in the studio or you go to Neverland?

F: Yes, I went to Neverland, to relax and work. We worked a lot there. He had a studio at the ranch. So it was working there and sometimes he would say: "Come on, we paused Freeze! Go a little fun, go into the projection room, go to an attraction or will you walk in the zoo!" Neverland was a bit like a second home to me.

Q: I did not know you worked at Neverland! It's interesting because we do not have many details on the studio of Neverland. Was it a professional studio?

F: Yes, completely, it was a lot of professional equipment, Pro Tools, stuff like that, you know?

Q: Did he use it alone?

F: Absolutely, Michael was unbeatable when we were talking about the studio.

Q: Actually, we know he could not really play an instrument, so we always wondered if he was able to record anything on his own without the help of an engineer or producer.

F: He could do everything himself. You know, Michael was truly a "living instrument". He could play some chords on a keyboard, he was doing pretty good. He also knew programmed beats.

Q: Getting back to "Break of Dawn", can you tell us why Michael Jackson does not sing the chorus of this song?

F: Well, because he liked my version of the chorus. He found it very beautiful, and he wanted to leave everything as is. He liked my singing. He would not spoil, he loved how I had saved. My trademark is to make the chorus to every song that I produced ("Poison," "I Want to Sex You Up"). I've been doing this forever, and Michael loved my singing on "Break of Dawn".

Q: Where does your inspiration come to us for the songs "Break Of Dawn", "Blue Gangsta" and "A Place With No Name"? How does your creative process?

F: "Break Of Dawn" is just a romantic ballad that I wrote one day. For "Blue Gangsta" I wanted to make a new "Smooth Criminal". Something more modern and rooted in the 2000s. It was the idea. "A Place With No Name" is itself a kind of escape, a song where you just close your eyes to find you instantly into a wonderful world. In fact, this song was inspired by "A Horse With No Name" group America. The lyrics of this song are very deep. I wanted to refresh it, make a version of the 2000s.

Q: Did you have obtained the rights to the band quickly? Did you ask permission?

F: Oh absolutely, the group America has loved the idea. They found this "update" absolutely terrific. They were really excited about this project. Compared to the extract leaked on the internet, many wonderful items were added to the song by Michael. It's more dense, much denser. Believe me, when you hear it, you take your foot!

Q: So you do not touch it, it will emerge as you had finalized with him?

F: The song will be released the latest version on which we worked. It will be drastically different from the extract (July 2009) and more enormous. In fact, this song is very cinematic in its form. It would have been a perfect song for a movie like Avatar because it shows us a wonderful world it strange, where people are different, but happy. This song is like an escape from everyday life is a song where one is literally transported.

Q: About "Blue Gangsta" remix was done by Tempamental as "No Friend Of Mine" ...

F: This is not the name of the song, it's just the chorus that contains these few words. The real title is "Blue Gangsta". When I heard this remix, I could not believe it. Many people called me because of that and I do not understand what had happened. The concern is that I do not even know who released the song! It remains a mystery. Why did they do that? Where did this rap song? How were they taken? In fact, we knew nothing about this story, me or Michael. We really do not understand where this leak came ...

Q: There are still a few weeks, nobody knew too what was the real origin of this song, and how Michael Jackson had been involved in this project.

F: Yeah, I know it's crazy. The name of the song was not even good! [Dr. Freeze humming the chorus of the song on the phone: "You is not no friend of mine, could you put me through, I'm the blue gangsta nah."] Was just the chorus. This highlights the ignorance of people who are causing the leaks on the internet: they take the song and put it online without knowing its origin.

Q: For fans, it did not really understand what it could be proposed. It was weird. We suspected that something was amiss, but we did not know exactly what ...

F: Yes, the song was not presented to the public as needed. A guy has just stolen the song, added a rap, and swung on the net. I was not even credited, any more than Michael! She just landed here without any logical explanation ...

Q: Have you done other songs with Michael Jackson, other than these three?

F: We did some other songs, I do not think we've finalized anything. I'm not sure I can tell you much more.

Q: Overall, how did you write songs for Michael?

F: Oh, about thirty, and I had to save five or six can be with him.

Q: And you have these songs in your possession today?

F: Most of his novel are in the coffers now. We have no control over. They keep everything in the chests.

Q: So the estate (the Estate) who cares?

F: Yes, absolutely. John McClain is responsible for it.

Q: It's the boss!

F: Yes, boss!

Q: Were you able to hear new songs?

F: Yes, I could listen to most of them. But I can not say anything, sorry. I'm not allowed to disclose anything.

Q: We can play a little game instead. I give you the names of songs, and you tell me whether or not you've heard. Have you heard "Escape"?

F: "Escape"? That tells me nothing.

Q: "Fear," "Face", it tells you something?

F: No, nothing at all

Q: Have you listened to "Do You Know Where Your Children Are?

F: I heard the studios.

Q: "Crack Kills"?

F: Never heard of it.

Q: The "gloved One"?

F: No.

Q: Actually, it would be easier if you give us some names ... Could you give us the name of an unreleased track that you particularly marked and talk a little?

F: There's a song we made together, but I do not know if he has completed his vocal parts. It's called "Rise Above It All". It's a song I wrote and on which we worked.

Q: What was she talking about?

F: It's an upbeat song. If you feel bad, what's going wrong in the world, be positive and try to be as happy as possible, leaving aside all the negative things. Overcome negativity room, go beyond the woes of the world, all wars, the starving children and all the bad things. Assemble yourselves, hold your hand, raise your hands to heaven and pass it all. It's a little theme song. I can not say whether he had recorded the song, but in any case, we worked on it. There are other songs on which they collaborated. Most of these songs are mid-tempo, but I can not say anything more.

AndreyZidane™
29-01-2011, 01:25 PM
I don't speak french that much but I did understand where he was questioned about names of songs we all heard and he said he never heard them. Among those song the guy who was asking about them mentioned "Escape", "Do You Know Where Your Children Are", "The Gloved One", "Crack Kills". He only says he heard some "studios" of DYKWYCA but never heard of the other songs mentioned. I can understand that though, since they were working on a couple of songs while Mike was also working on a couple of songs with other producers.

PS: He also mentioned that they've been working on another song called "Rise Above It All" which has an upbeat song with an inspirational message. He said he doesn't remember if Michael finalized that song in terms of vocals, he might've had but he doesn't know for sure.

Again, I don't speak french very well so I'm not sure if all of this is completely accurate, I'm also waiting for a full translation of this... :D

God bless!

EDIT: I posted too late, thanks for the translation!

if.it.aint.broke.break.it
29-01-2011, 01:34 PM
Great interview, yet I have to have a whinge. Why is Blue Gangsta gonna be on it in a new mix? Brand-new stuff, even if only prior leaked as a snippet is cool but full songs...give me something new or a great bonus track that's worthy of a great demo.

mehdiblanket
29-01-2011, 01:53 PM
it's gonna be really coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool to release blue gangsta

flutinggnee
29-01-2011, 02:10 PM
I'll be thrilled get these songs if they really are as Michael mixed them. Don't want John McClain, Terry Riley re-workings, touch-ups, etc.

xthunderx2
29-01-2011, 02:40 PM
Google translation:
thank you for translating..:hug:

SoCalledChaos
29-01-2011, 04:18 PM
he didnt sing the chorus of BOD?

teli-mj
29-01-2011, 04:31 PM
Thank you for interview and the translation. But for some reason it makes me a little unconfortable because this guy seems to get all the gredits and Michael seems to have little contribution on his own album .I don't know why MJ would always have people writte some songs for him. He was perfectly capable of writting his own stuff. I mean the best Michael Jackson songs are the one he wrote.Anyway..

CherubimII
29-01-2011, 09:44 PM
F:
It's an upbeat song. If you feel bad, what's going wrong in the world, be positive and try to be as happy as possible, leaving aside all the negative things. Overcome negativity room, go beyond the woes of the world, all wars, the starving children and all the bad things. Assemble yourselves, hold your hand, raise your hands to heaven and pass it all. It's a little theme song. I can not say whether he had recorded the song, but in any case, we worked on it. There are other songs on which they collaborated. Most of these songs are mid-tempo, but I can not say anything more.


This is so...Michael Jackson. It was peaceful to read.
Thanks for sharing. :flowers:

The King lives on!
29-01-2011, 09:56 PM
Absolutely amazing interview! Thx! ;)

cmstrike
29-01-2011, 10:17 PM
Thank you for interview and the translation. But for some reason it makes me a little unconfortable because this guy seems to get all the gredits and Michael seems to have little contribution on his own album .I don't know why MJ would always have people writte some songs for him. He was perfectly capable of writting his own stuff. I mean the best Michael Jackson songs are the one he wrote.Anyway..

What you need to understand is that songwriters and artists have been working together since the inception of popular music, it's just something that's generally accepted. We all know that Michael was capable of writing his own material, but that doesn't mean he couldn't collaborate with other songwriters and producers as well. As a musician, I can tell you that having an extra set of ears working on a project with you can be a very positive thing.

Michael was working with some of the greatest songwriters in history as a child. He understood the importance of great songwriting and was humble enough to continue working with songwriters throughout his career while also writing his own music.

Dovido
30-01-2011, 12:37 AM
Hi,

I'm one of the guys involved in this interview. Don't worry, we first provided the interview to our community but we're going to share the original version soon. This was very difficult to translate to French, and therefore I think that for some parts it's better to read the original version.

See you soon :)

Ashtanga
30-01-2011, 12:46 AM
I loved the interview! :wild: Thanks for posting! ;)







Hi,

I'm one of the guys involved in this interview. Don't worry, we first provided the interview to our community but we're going to share the original version soon. This was very difficult to translate to French, and therefore I think that for some parts it's better to read the original version.

See you soon :)

Hmmmmmmmm :shifty:

kasume
30-01-2011, 08:10 AM
After the Michael album, I'm done.

I want Michael here to approve his own music, not someone other than him.

Can any one of us here approve or complete Shakespeare's writings? Picasso's painting? The Beatles' music? No, not if they're here to let us.

lidwinee
30-01-2011, 10:06 AM
3rd and last part
Interview exclusive: Dr. Freeze se livre : "Rencontrer Michael, c'était comme rencontrer le capitaine Kirk !"
Voici la suite de l'interview exclusive d' Elliott Straite plus connu sous le nom de Dr. Freeze, producteur de "Break Of Dawn" (Invincible), "A Place With No Name" ou encore "Blue Gangsta".

Dr Freeze a travaillé en studio avec Michael Jackson et livre dans une interview exclusive des infos très intéressantes rien que pour vous. Entrez ainsi plus profondément dans le secret des enregistrements du Roi de la Pop en découvrant cette interview en trois partie. Troisième partie aujourd'hui intitulée: Dr. Freeze se livre : "Rencontrer Michael, c'était comme rencontrer le capitaine Kirk !"

Quagmire : Avez vous parlé avec John McClain des chansons que vous avez enregistrées avec Michael et de ce qu'il comptait en faire?

Dr. Freeze : Non. C'est difficile de rentrer directement en contact avec John McClain, il est très occupé. Le sujet n’a pas encore été abordé.

Q : Comment savez vous si "A place With No Name" et "Blue Gangsta" seront sur le prochain album?

F : Ça, je le sais. C’est confirmé.

Q : Super, on est impatients d'entendre ça! Avez-vous l'intention de retoucher la chanson "Blue Gangsta", de la rafraîchir?

F : A vrai dire, c'est déjà fait pour "Blue Gangsta". Je l'ai déjà « rafraichie », la chanson est finalisée, prête à sortir. Elle sera complètement différente de la version qui a filtré sur le net. Elle est parfaitement calibrée pour passer en boîte de nuit. Elle a un son très européen, dans le style des productions de Kraftwerk.

Q : Allez vous garder la base de la chanson? [Quagmire lui chantonne un extrait]

F : Absolument, tout est pareil, mais ça sonne plus actuel.

Q : Vous avez accéléré le rythme?

F : Non, non. Tout est exactement pareil.

Q : [perplexe] Très bien. Donc pour résumer, vous avez juste ajouté quelques sons supplémentaires et apporté quelques retouches pour la "rafraîchir"?

F : C'est exactement ça. Pour faire une analogie, c'est un peu comme si vous aviez tourné un film et que vous le ressortiez ensuite en 3D.

Q : Filmiez-vous vos sessions d'enregistrement?

F : Non, aucune caméra n'était autorisée. Vous savez, il n'aimait pas être pris en photo et être filmé en studio. Par conséquent, c'était interdit.

Q : Plus tôt dans l'interview, vous nous avez dit qu'il programmait des beats et jouait du clavier devant vous. Vous pouvez nous en dire plus?

F : Parfois, il créait tout naturellement des chansons, et quand il me les faisait entendre, j'étais abasourdi. Pour l'essentiel, il s'agissait juste d'idées lancées çà et là, en fonction de l'émotion dans laquelle il se trouvait. On était en processus créatif et il adorait cela. Du soir au matin, il créait des sons, des mélodies, des harmonies. C'était une sacrée expérience à vivre pour moi. J'ai beaucoup appris à ses côtés.

Q : Dans quels studios enregistriez-vous à cette époque?

F : On enregistrait dans plusieurs studios. Parfois à New York, parfois en Californie. Nous avons passé beaucoup de temps au ranch. En fait, le choix du studio dépendait surtout de l'endroit où il se trouvait géographiquement parlant. Nous sommes passés par le Hit Factory à New York, et de mémoire à "Record one" à Los Angeles. Nous avons aussi utilisé le studio de John McClain et on a enregistré à Neverland.

Q : Y a-t-il des prises enregistrées à Neverland qui ont été utilisées dans le mixage final d'une des chansons?

F : En ce qui concerne mes enregistrements, tout provient de grands studios. Mais il a enregistré des chansons avec d'autres producteurs à Neverland. Malheureusement, je suis incapable de vous dire quelles chansons exactement. Ah si, je me souviens d'une chanson qui est présente sur son dernier disque. Elle s'appelle "Hollywood" je crois, et je me souviens qu'il avait travaillé dessus à Neverland.

Q : Donc il travaillait sur d'autres projets quand vous étiez là?

F : Oui, il travaillait sur d'autres chansons. Il me demandait parfois mon opinion. Il m'arrivait alors parfois de collaborer un peu avec lui. Mais bon, je n'étais pas le seul. Il y avait quelques autres producteurs avec lui qui faisaient de même.

Q : Quand vous avez fini les sessions avec lui, saviez-vous que c'en était fini ou vous attendiez-vous à ce qu'il vous rappelle pour travailler sur d'autres chansons?

F : Dès lors qu'on a commencé à enregistrer ensemble, j'ai su que je m’y consacrerais totalement. Je ne voulais travailler avec personne d'autre que Michael. Je lui avais promis de ne jamais travailler avec qui que ce soit d'autre. C'était un travail à plein temps : j'ai travaillé avec lui pendant des années. J’étais en studio avec lui peu de temps avant son décès.

Q : Vous étiez en studio avec lui juste avant sa mort?

F : En fait, nous en discutions beaucoup et nous étions sur le point de rentrer en studio. Pour être précis, je me souviens être allé le voir dans sa résidence à Vegas, et il y avait un studio là. C’était juste avant qu’il nous quitte.

Q : Vous avez enregistré quelque chose?

F : Non, on n'a rien enregistré, on a juste échangé des idées. On était sur le point de démarrer les sessions d'enregistrement : on était prêts et on préparait le matériel pour le studio. Je lui ai proposé quelques nouvelles chansons que j'avais écrites spécialement pour lui. Il les aimait beaucoup, il voulait les enregistrer, mais il est décédé.

Q : Vous a-t-il parlé de son futur album? Vous avait-il dit à quel moment il souhaitait le sortir?

F : Non, on n'a jamais abordé ce sujet.

Q : Revenons à "Blue Gangsta", avez-vous eu l'idée de l'accordéon et des sifflements à la Ennio Morricone?

F : Oui. J'ai eu l'idée des sifflements, ça vient du film "Le bon la brute et le truand" [il siffle la mélodie au téléphone]. Comme je l'ai dit, je voulais faire un nouveau "Smooth Criminal". C'était notre objectif : "le nouveau Smooth criminal".

Q : Est ce que vous vous souvenez de votre impression lors de votre première rencontre? Était-il comme vous l'imaginiez? Étiez-vous surpris ou déçu par le personnage?

F : Je savais déjà que Michael était la plus humble des personnes que vous pouviez rencontrer. C’était mon meilleur ami, la plus belle rencontre de ma vie. C'est un peu comme une rencontre avec le Capitaine Kirk : franchement, qui ne veut pas rencontrer le Capitaine Kirk? Ce personnage de fiction était cool, amical et c'était un chic type. Et bien Michael était un peu comme ça. Comme vous pouvez l'imaginer, je suis un vrai fan de Star Trek, et c'est pour ça que je parle du capitaine Kirk... Rencontrer Michael, c'était un peu comme si je rencontrais le capitaine Kirk, c'était tout bonnement incroyable. Aujourd'hui, il n'existe plus de stars avec la même aura. J'étais vraiment stupéfait quand je l'ai rencontré et mes parents sont très fiers de moi : non seulement, j'ai réussi à travailler avec le roi de la pop, mais ça ne s'est pas limité à une simple relation professionnelle. Je suis devenu son ami, son meilleur ami. Je l'aime à mourir, aujourd'hui encore. On était comme des frères, très proches, donc voilà, pour résumer, ma rencontre avec Michael, c'était comme si j'étais devenu ami avec le capitaine Kirk!

Q : Michael est universellement reconnu comme le plus grand des artistes. Vous l'avez rencontré et vous êtes devenu l'un de ses amis. Avez-vous des anecdotes sur lui qu'on ne connaîtrait pas?

F : Il était incroyable, un génie. C'était un ange, c'est d'ailleurs pour ça qu'il s'appelait Michael. Ouais, c'était vraiment un ange.

Q : Avait-il des demandes de matériels spécifiques pour les enregistrements, comme par exemple des microphones ou des instruments précis ? Avait-il des exigences particulières ?

F : Non, il s'en fichait tant que ça sonnait bien. Il aurait pu chanter quelque chose dans son portable et l'enregistrer comme ça, ça ne le gênait pas tant que c'était une bonne mélodie ou un tube en puissance.

Q : Vous rappelez-vous du microphone utilisé pour "Break Of Dawn"?

F : Non. On a été dans tellement de studios... C'est une question que vous devriez poser aux ingénieurs du son : ils avaient chacun leur propre équipement et je ne me rappelle pas précisément ce qu'ils avaient.

Q : Quels ingénieurs ont participé à vos sessions d'enregistrements?

F : De mémoire, il y avait Michael Prince, Brad Buxer et Mike Dean. Il y avait aussi Bruce Swedien, bien sûr. Je n'ai pas travaillé directement avec lui mais je le connais très bien, il est très cool. Un autre génie.

Q : A-t-il finalisé certaines de vos chansons, ou finalisiez-vous tout tout seul, mixage inclus?

F : Il y a des ingénieurs qui ont retravaillé certaines chansons. Je ne sais pas qui a réalisé les derniers mixages. Il faudrait que je demande à John McClain... Je ne sais pas qui a travaillé sur ces chansons avec Michael, je n'étais pas physiquement présent.

Q : Quelle est la chose qui vous a le plus impressionné chez Michael, artistiquement parlant?

F : Michael aimait ses fans, il aimait sa musique et il adorait faire de la musique pour ses fans. Il aimait donner de l'amour et de la joie de vivre aux gens. C'était sa mission. Il était très dévoué et loyal. C'était une chose qu'il voulait faire, ou qu'il se devait de faire. Il aimait les gens du plus profond de son âme. Et quand il faisait cette musique, il la faisait pour nous.

Q : Quel est votre album préféré de Michael?

F : Je les aime tous. Avec Michael Jackson, il est impossible d'avoir une chanson ou un album favori. Cependant, quand j'étais gamin, ma chanson préférée était "Rock With You". Je la trouvais vraiment incroyable... Ouais, c'était définitivement une de mes préférées.

Q : Vous souvenez-vous de votre dernière discussion avec Michael?

F : On était tout simplement sur le point d'enregistrer le nouvel album et quand il a entendu mes chansons il m'a dit de me dépêcher de les sortir le plus vite possible à l'étranger. Il aimait mes nouvelles productions. Ce fut notre dernière discussion. Il m'a dit "je t'aime" et voilà, c'était fini.

Q : Que vouliez-vous dire exactement par "à l'étranger" tout à l'heure?

F : La musique que je fais en ce moment sortira à l'étranger. Je suis les instructions de Michael à la lettre. Il m'a dit de prendre cet album que je réalise en ce moment même et de le vendre à l'étranger, et c'est ce que je fais. Vous savez, il s'y connaissait vraiment bien en affaires, donc je suis ses conseils. Donc, voilà, c'est une info que je vous révèle en exclusivité: mon album arrive prochainement!

Q : Quand sortira-t-il?

F : On envisage la sortie du single au printemps 2011. Ça s'appelle "We Are The Robots".

Q : C'est super ! Merci pour votre générosité et pour tout le temps que vous nous avez accordé. Tous nos vœux de réussite pour vos projets à venir.

F : Merci.

lidwinee
30-01-2011, 10:11 AM
thank you to Quagmire, Bud, Dovido and Tristan from the forum MJFrance for this interview

The One.
30-01-2011, 10:20 AM
Wow! This interview certainly got me excited about the new album!

Thanks very much for posting and the translates (could someone translate the last part too..? :))

betseyby67
30-01-2011, 12:02 PM
I believe Break of Dawn is his sexiest song. I wish he had written it but I'm content because he sang it with so much feeling. It is also broadly acknowledged that, along with some songs in the Invincible album, it was dedicated to Lisa Marie as it was recorded during the period when they were trying to get back together.

AndreyZidane™
30-01-2011, 01:17 PM
Google translation:


Exclusive Interview: Dr. Freeze to the book: "Meet Michael was like meeting with Captain Kirk!"
Here is the result of the exclusive interview of Elliott Straits best known under the name of Dr. Freeze, producer of "Break Of Dawn" (Invincible), "A Place With No Name" or "Blue Gangsta".

Dr. Freeze has worked in the studio with Michael Jackson and book in an exclusive interview very interesting news just for you. And enter more deeply into the secret recordings of the King of Pop when he discovered this three-part interview. Third party today titled: Dr. Freeze to the book: "Meet Michael was like meeting with Captain Kirk!"

Quagmire: Have you talked with John McClain of songs that you recorded with Michael and what he intended to do?

Dr. Freeze: No. It's hard to go directly into contact with John McClain, he is very busy. The subject has not yet been addressed.

Q: How do you know if "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta" will be on the next album?

F: That I know. It's confirmed.

Q: Great, we look forward to that! Do you intend to edit the song "Blue Gangsta", the refresh?

F: Actually, it already has for "Blue Gangsta". I have "refreshed", the song is completed, ready to go. It will be completely different from the version leaked on the net. It is perfectly calibrated to enter a nightclub. It sounds very European in style productions of Kraftwerk.

Q: Will you keep the base of the song? [Quagmire he sings an excerpt]

F: Absolutely, everything is the same, but it sounds more modern.

Q: You've accelerated the pace?

F: No, no. Everything is exactly the same.

Q: [confused] Okay. So to summarize, you've just added a few extra sounds and made some alterations to the "cool"?

F: Exactly. To make an analogy, it's like if you had shot a movie and then you take it out in 3D.

Q: Do you Shoot your recording sessions?

F: No, no cameras were allowed. You know, he disliked being photographed and being filmed in the studio. Therefore, it was forbidden.

Q: Earlier in the interview, you said he was programming beats and played the keyboard in front of you. You can tell us more?

F: Sometimes, it naturally created songs, and when he did hear me, I was stunned. Essentially, it was just ideas thrown here and there, depending on the emotion in which he stood. It was in the creative process and he loved it. From dusk till dawn, he created sounds, melodies, harmonies. It was quite an experience to live for me. I learned a lot from him.

Q: In what studios save you this time?

F: We recorded in several studios. Sometimes in New York, sometimes in California. We spent much time at the ranch. In fact, the choice depended mainly on the studio where it was geographically. We went through the Hit Factory in New York, and memory "Record One" in Los Angeles. We also used the studio of John McClain and was recorded at Neverland.

Q: Are there any catches recorded at Neverland, which were used in the final mix of a song?

F: For my records, all from major studios. But he has recorded songs with other producers to Neverland. Unfortunately, I can not tell you exactly what songs. Ah yes, I remember a song that is present on his latest album. It's called "Hollywood" I believe, and I remember he had worked on at Neverland.

Q: So he worked on other projects when you were there?

F: Yes, he was working on other songs. He sometimes asked me my opinion. Sometimes I work so sometimes a bit with him. But hey, I was not alone. There were some other producers who were with him as well.

Q: When you have finished the sessions with him, did you know that were finished or did you expect that he'll get back to work on other songs?

F: Since we started recording together, I knew that I would dedicate myself totally. I only wanted to work with anyone other than Michael. I had promised never to work with anyone else. It was a full time job: I worked with him for years. I was in the studio with him shortly before his death.

Q: You were in the studio with him just before his death?

F: Actually, we talked a lot and we were about to enter the studio. To be precise, I remember going to see him at his residence in Vegas, and there was a studio there. It was just before he leaves.

Q: You recorded something?

F: No, nothing was recorded, we just brainstormed. We were about to start recording sessions: one was ready and we prepared the equipment for the studio. I offered a few new songs I had written especially for him. He loved them very much, he wanted to save them, but he died.

Q: You had he talked about his upcoming album? You had said when he wanted it out?

F: No, we never discussed this issue.

Q: Back to "Blue Gangsta", did you get the idea of the accordion and whistles at the Ennio Morricone?

F: Yes. I had the idea of ringing, it comes from the movie "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" [he whistles the melody the phone]. As I said, I wanted to make a new "Smooth Criminal". It was our objective: "the new Smooth Criminal."

Q: Do you remember your impression when you first met? Was it as you imagined? Were you surprised or disappointed by the character?

F: I knew that Michael was the most humble people you could meet. He was my best friend, the most beautiful meeting of my life. It's like a meeting with Captain Kirk frankly, who does not meet Captain Kirk? This fictional character was cool, friendly and it was a nice guy. And although Michael was a bit like that. As you can imagine, I am a true fan of Star Trek, and that's why I speak of Captain Kirk ... Meet Michael, was a bit like if I met Captain Kirk, it was just unbelievable. Today, there are more stars with the same aura. I was really amazed when I met him and my parents are very proud of me: not only have I managed to work with the King of Pop, but it was not limited to a mere professional relationship. I became his friend, his best friend. I love him to death, even today. We were like brothers, very close, so yeah, to summarize, my meeting with Michael, it was as if I had become friendly with Captain Kirk!

Q: Michael is universally recognized as the greatest artists. You met him and you became one of his friends. Do you have any anecdotes about him we would not know?

F: It was incredible, a genius. She was an angel, is also why his name was Michael. Yeah, it was truly an angel.

Q: Did he have specific hardware demands for records, such as microphones or instruments accurate? Were there any special requirements?

F: No, he did not care as it sounded good. He could sing something in his notebook and save it like that, it did not bother him as it was a good melody or a tube power.

Q: Do you remember the microphone used for "Break Of Dawn"?

F: No. We were in so many studios ... It's a question you should ask for sound engineers: they each had their own equipment and I do not remember exactly what they had.

Q: What engineers have participated in your recording sessions?

F: From memory, there was Prince Michael, Brad and Mike Dean Buxer. There was also Bruce Swedien, of course. I have not worked directly with him but I know him very well, it's very cool. Another genius.

Q: Has he completed some of your songs, or you finalize everything alone, mix included?

F: There are engineers who have reworked some songs. I do not know who made the final mixes. I would have asked John McClain ... I do not know who worked on these songs with Michael, I was not physically present.

Q: What is the thing you most impressed with Michael, artistically speaking?

F: Michael loved his fans, he loved his music and he loved making music for his fans. He liked to give love and joy to people. It was his mission. He was very dedicated and loyal. It was something he wanted to do, or that he had to do. He loved people from the depths of his soul. And when he made this music, he did for us.

Q: What is your favorite album by Michael?

F: I love them all. With Michael Jackson, it is impossible to have a favorite song or album. However, when I was a kid, my favorite song was "Rock With You". I found it really amazing ... Yeah, it was definitely one of my favorites.

Q: Do you remember your last discussion with Michael?

F: We were just about to record the new album and when he heard my songs, he told me to send them out as quickly as possible abroad. He liked my new productions. This was our last discussion. He said "I love you" and voila, it was over.

Q: What did you mean by "abroad" just now?

F: The music I'm currently out abroad. I'm Michael's instructions to the letter. He told me to take this album I realized right now and selling it abroad, and that's what I do. You know, he really knew something about business, so I follow his advice. So, here is an info that I reveal exclusive: my album coming soon!

Q: When will he?

F: We consider the single release in spring 2011. It's called "We Are The Robots".

Q: That's great! Thank you for your generosity and for as long as you have given us. All our good wishes for your future projects.

F: Thank you.

The One.
30-01-2011, 03:34 PM
:cry:


Q: Do you Shoot your recording sessions?

F: No, no cameras were allowed. You know, he disliked being photographed and being filmed in the studio. Therefore, it was forbidden.

This got me confused. I thought Michael especially wanted to be filmed during recording so he could watch himself afterwards? :blink:


I offered a few new songs I had written especially for him. He loved them very much, he wanted to save them, but he died.
Ok, I don't know what's wrong with me but this almost had me laughing. It's probably just the poor translation, but something about that sentence is just too comic.

xthunderx2
30-01-2011, 03:46 PM
thank you for posting...and for translating. ...............hmmm....I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

qbee
30-01-2011, 08:47 PM
:cry:



This got me confused. I thought Michael especially wanted to be filmed during recording so he could watch himself afterwards? :blink:


During rehearsals for performances he like to film his work to see how it looked.
But he did not like to film working on songs in the recording studio.

Ohood
30-01-2011, 09:36 PM
Thank you very much !


So when was , "We Are The Robots" recorded ?

mjmirror
30-01-2011, 09:43 PM
Thank you very much !


So when was , "We Are The Robots" recorded ?

"We Are The Robots" is Freeze's own album-- not anything to do with Michael. That's what I've gathered from the translation anyway.

ForYou
30-01-2011, 09:45 PM
I don't trust him at all. He's already lying about the credits of Break Of Dawn.

8701girl
30-01-2011, 11:47 PM
During rehearsals for performances he like to film his work to see how it looked.
But he did not like to film working on songs in the recording studio.


:cry:



This got me confused. I thought Michael especially wanted to be filmed during recording so he could watch himself afterwards? :blink:




I think being recorded during recording the songs was a lil too personal for him maybe


Where as during rehearsals for a concert was ok cuz he did have his crew around him and felt comfortable.

AndreyZidane™
31-01-2011, 08:45 AM
Yeah, remember Michael saying he doesn't even like when people are looking at him while recording songs. He said that's why he usually sings in the dark, so people can't stare at him while he's singing.

He mentioned that in his Dangerous deposition that was posted in the 2000 Watts section not so long ago.

helena22
31-01-2011, 11:28 AM
Q: How do you know if "A Place With No Name" and "Blue Gangsta" will be on the next album?

F: That I know. It's confirmed.

Q: Great, we look forward to that! Do you intend to edit the song "Blue Gangsta", the refresh?

F: Actually, it already has for "Blue Gangsta". I have "refreshed", the song is completed, ready to go. It will be completely different from the version leaked on the net. It is perfectly calibrated to enter a nightclub. It sounds very European in style productions of Kraftwerk.

Q: Will you keep the base of the song? [Quagmire he sings an excerpt]

F: Absolutely, everything is the same, but it sounds more modern.

Q: You've accelerated the pace?

F: No, no. Everything is exactly the same.

Q: [confused] Okay. So to summarize, you've just added a few extra sounds and made some alterations to the "cool"?

F: Exactly. To make an analogy, it's like if you had shot a movie and then you take it out in 3D.
Great news, we might get to hear BG on the next album. "Might", becuz I can't believe it til I see it on the tracklist. BTW, why did he have to change the leaked version? I mean, the version that got leaked recently, it's good as it is. His explanation still got me confused.

Give my thanks for the interview and translation.

Ohood
31-01-2011, 02:39 PM
"We Are The Robots" is Freeze's own album-- not anything to do with Michael. That's what I've gathered from the translation anyway.



Thanks.

Ohood
31-01-2011, 02:41 PM
Great news, we might get to hear BG on the next album. "Might", becuz I can't believe it til I see it on the tracklist. BTW, why did he have to change the leaked version? I mean, the version that got leaked recently, it's good as it is. His explanation still got me confused.

Give my thanks for the interview and translation.

i think Freez is refering to the version with the rap that appeared 2007 !

4veryoung
31-01-2011, 02:51 PM
OMG! Thank u so much...to MJFrance...GOd bless...IM so dying to hear "APWNN" full...gah PLZ this is xoxo exciting, hope its true & this time i hope its not controversial.

I also hope that the new mix/final version of A PLACE W/ no name is as good as the snippet or even better...i really luv that song...& i also like all Dr. Freeze MJ production...bring it on! YES♥♥♥

dangerous dave
31-01-2011, 04:59 PM
So there's a possibility that the 2 new songs will be on the cirque du soleil album
I am reffering to gangster and A place...

DARKLIGHTDAN
31-01-2011, 08:45 PM
woohoo!!!!!!

FedoraHatGirl2058
31-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Thanks for this, its awesome!!! how i wish i was at one of those studio sessions.... God, it was my dream to meet him, the only artist i as an artist am interested in to really know... and he is gone... luckily we had all these recounts of him, they warm my heart splendidly :)

THANKS!!!!!!!! :) :flowers:

FedoraHatGirl2058
31-01-2011, 10:02 PM
I really dont want that "refreshment" and i dont like the fact he is doing it so it can enter a night club... Michael is artistry, is to hear, and to dance, but is not commercial stuff for clubs... anyway... Michael is not around anymore so... what can i say...


if i was Freeze i would honor Michael's artistry not a night club or destroy a musical peace so it can be a summer hit... leave that to Gaga or Madonna, Michael was pure ingenius, he didnt wanted to be like the other, he was NOT like the others even if he tried... he was GENIUS.

BONGANI
01-02-2011, 06:22 AM
He's not being entirely honest about ''Break of dawn'' though. He says Michael used the song exactly as it was when he presented it to him. That can't be true. One can hear Michael distinctivr sound all over that track. Plus Michael is credited as co-producer on the album sleeve.

Alma
01-02-2011, 11:38 AM
I really dont want that "refreshment" and i dont like the fact he is doing it so it can enter a night club... Michael is artistry, is to hear, and to dance, but is not commercial stuff for clubs... anyway... Michael is not around anymore so... what can i say...


if i was Freeze i would honor Michael's artistry not a night club or destroy a musical peace so it can be a summer hit... leave that to Gaga or Madonna, Michael was pure ingenius, he didnt wanted to be like the other, he was NOT like the others even if he tried... he was GENIUS.


Agrees. Hate it so much when these youngies wanna always mess with the oldies (songs), those songs are still fresh, no need to tamper with them, thus ruin them, like it happened with the "Michael" album.

FedoraHatGirl2058
01-02-2011, 04:10 PM
^^^^ exactly, they just RUIN the songs, they dont have Michael's ear... its never the same.... i say he should let it as Michael might have heard it...

teli-mj
01-02-2011, 04:18 PM
He's not being entirely honest about ''Break of dawn'' though. He says Michael used the song exactly as it was when he presented it to him. That can't be true. One can hear Michael distinctivr sound all over that track. Plus Michael is credited as co-producer on the album sleeve.

THANK YOU! That's what i am saying. When it comes to Mike and his work there will always be someone who will get more credits than him. This guy is talking like he did all the work and Mike just sang.Not fair and especially now that Michael is not here.

AllForLove
01-02-2011, 08:00 PM
He's not being entirely honest about ''Break of dawn'' though. He says Michael used the song exactly as it was when he presented it to him. That can't be true. One can hear Michael distinctivr sound all over that track. Plus Michael is credited as co-producer on the album sleeve.

oh :scratch: ! The fans who interviewed him can't ignore this, no ? so ...:scratch:

girl24
01-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Thanks for posting.

FedoraHatGirl2058
02-02-2011, 01:23 AM
thank you! That's what i am saying. When it comes to mike and his work there will always be someone who will get more credits than him. this guy is talking like he did all the work and mike just sang.not fair and especially now that michael is not here.
soooooooooooooooooooooo right!

Ohood
02-02-2011, 01:40 AM
He's not being entirely honest about ''Break of dawn'' though. He says Michael used the song exactly as it was when he presented it to him. That can't be true. One can hear Michael distinctivr sound all over that track. Plus Michael is credited as co-producer on the album sleeve.

i think u are exggerating a little bit , there ar many hit songs by MJ which are not written by him...Man in the mirrore , human nature, another day , hold my hand, this is it, thriller ,blood on the dance floor, fall again,butterfly and many many songs! also most of Invincible was co written only Speechless and Lost children were all written by MJ and he said both were inspired by children ....

I do not know why you people become so sensitve about simple and sometimes silly things....it is his work , even if M added some words or changed some lines , and he deserve the credit for it !

BONGANI
02-02-2011, 05:40 AM
i think u are exggerating a little bit , there ar many hit songs by MJ which are not written by him...Man in the mirrore , human nature, another day , hold my hand, this is it, thriller ,blood on the dance floor, fall again,butterfly and many many songs! also most of Invincible was co written only Speechless and Lost children were all written by MJ and he said both were inspired by children ....

I do not know why you people become so sensitve about simple and sometimes silly things....it is his work , even if M added some words or changed some lines , and he deserve the credit for it !


I don't think you understood my post. Nowhere did I mention songwriting. Ofcourse Dr Freeze deserves credit for producing the song. I was just disputing the fact that that he said Michael used ''Break of dawn'' whithout making any alterations to it. How can this be true when Michael is CREDITED as CO-PRODUCER on the album sleeve plus one can actually HEAR Michael's input.

mjjmsc
02-02-2011, 10:14 AM
great interview!i love the sng Place with no name:-)

Alma
02-02-2011, 11:36 AM
i think u are exggerating a little bit , there ar many hit songs by MJ which are not written by him...Man in the mirrore , human nature, another day , hold my hand, this is it, thriller ,blood on the dance floor, fall again,butterfly and many many songs! also most of Invincible was co written only Speechless and Lost children were all written by MJ and he said both were inspired by children ....




He would help with the production of most of the songs you enlisted, though, he'd very very often offer his input on most, if not all of his songs, that's how they ended up being chosen for the respective album afterall. Song 'Blood On The Dancefloor' Was written and produced by Jackson, by the way, alongside Teddy Riley.

teli-mj
02-02-2011, 12:32 PM
i think u are exggerating a little bit , there ar many hit songs by MJ which are not written by him...Man in the mirrore , human nature, another day , hold my hand, this is it, thriller ,blood on the dance floor, fall again,butterfly and many many songs! also most of Invincible was co written only Speechless and Lost children were all written by MJ and he said both were inspired by children ....

I do not know why you people become so sensitve about simple and sometimes silly things....it is his work , even if M added some words or changed some lines , and he deserve the credit for it !

This is it was co-writen by Michael but anyway. I don't think that some of us become over sensitive.It's just a fact and something that lots of us have noticed.That when people talk about Mike and his music work, they simply don't give him enough credits. That's why you have so many people out there think that Mike didn't write a single song in his life, that he was just a singing and dancing boy, an overrated artist who had good staff around him and that's why he was so succesful. I have even heard Michael "fans" tell this.That is totaly wrong. When Michael didn't have anything to do with a song, he would tell it. I don't think that he ever took credits for something that he didn't wrote or wasn't involved at all. And that is very rare for an artist. So, i would expect people who worked with him, do the same. Give him credits when they need to be given.But almost no one does it.

big DB
02-02-2011, 01:06 PM
cant wait to hear these songs officially released. :)

powernoize
03-02-2011, 05:43 PM
just double checking, so the 40 sec acapella clip of Place With No Name is fake? the only real snippet is the 25 sec. leak....right?

kreen
03-02-2011, 09:54 PM
I don't think you understood my post. Nowhere did I mention songwriting. Ofcourse Dr Freeze deserves credit for producing the song. I was just disputing the fact that that he said Michael used ''Break of dawn'' whithout making any alterations to it. How can this be true when Michael is CREDITED as CO-PRODUCER on the album sleeve plus one can actually HEAR Michael's input.

Don't believe what you read in the Invincible booklet : MJ was given credits on songs he neither produced nor wrote. It's a common practice (sadly) in the industry now. For instance, the guy who wrote "Whatever Happens" said basically that in order for his song to be picked for the album, he had to allow MJ and Teddy Riley to share cowriting credits.

However, someone said earlier that MJ didn't write Blood on the Dance Floor. Actually, this is one song that he DID write. Bill Bottrell said that he had written a song by that title, and MJ heard the title and wrote a completely new song based on it. As for the backing music, it was something Teddy Riley had given MJ earlier. So the vocal melody and lyrics are MJ's.

teli-mj
04-02-2011, 12:09 AM
Don't believe what you read in the Invincible booklet : MJ was given credits on songs he neither produced nor wrote. It's a common practice (sadly) in the industry now. For instance, the guy who wrote "Whatever Happens" said basically that in order for his song to be picked for the album, he had to allow MJ and Teddy Riley to share cowriting credits.

However, someone said earlier that MJ didn't write Blood on the Dance Floor. Actually, this is one song that he DID write. Bill Bottrell said that he had written a song by that title, and MJ heard the title and wrote a completely new song based on it. As for the backing music, it was something Teddy Riley had given MJ earlier. So the vocal melody and lyrics are MJ's.


You speak seem with great certainty.Can you tell me one song that Michael didn't wrote and he took credit for? Because i was of the opinion that Mike does not get enough credit for the songs that he wrote.

noirnoar
04-02-2011, 08:54 AM
I am a FAN of Michael Jackson, not of his producers.
I am a fan of Michael Jackson's songs, produced/co-produced by Michael Jackson, and not of these clowns, who suddenly have a need to chop and screw Michael' unreleased songs to the bits when Michael is gone, just so they can say "I PRODUCED MICHAEL JACKSON'S SONG".

I, for instance am not interesting on Dr. Freeze, Riley and another producers skills, period. They are not that good at it, so they should give it a rest and hand us the music that Michael has left "as it is".

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000


Dr. Freeze admired Michael's work in process, but in the interview he kinda contradicts himself:

"Michael was a perfectionist and we had to start from scratch to produce the music for the best possible way." (well we know this, since every producer who worked with MJJ has said it)

But for Break of Dawn he says (since it was Dr. Freeze "song"):

"Yes, he loved the song! He wanted to leave it as is! All I had done on this piece, no one had the right to change anything"

Well, according to the source:
http://songwritershalloffame.org/index.php/songs/detailed/C116/P0/
BREAK OR DAWN
Writer: Dr. Freeze, Michael Jackson

Michael wouldn't have his name up there, if he just used his "vocals". Because, if he did, Freeze would have filed a lawsuit, oh yes he would.
(Or "I heard Michael used auto-tune but I didn't want to say any names", suddenly Teddy got a need to share this piece of info after MJJ passed away, when before they couldn't either of them say a thing)...


I, like to hear "blue gangster" and "a place with no name" produced, finalized & released when Michael was ALIVE. I am NOT interest on updates or changes that Dr. Freeze is so eager to do with already finalized songs, nor Teddy Riley's or any of XYZ producer.

kreen
04-02-2011, 02:32 PM
You speak seem with great certainty.Can you tell me one song that Michael didn't wrote and he took credit for? Because i was of the opinion that Mike does not get enough credit for the songs that he wrote.

On Invincible, he didn't write Break of Dawn, Whatever Happens, Heaven Can Wait, 2000 Watts and You are My Life, despite getting a co-writing credit for them. There are reasons to believe he also didn't write all of the Jerkins tracks, but no definitive evidence.

kreen
04-02-2011, 02:41 PM
Well, according to the source:
http://songwritershalloffame.org/index.php/songs/detailed/C116/P0/
BREAK OR DAWN
Writer: Dr. Freeze, Michael Jackson

Michael wouldn't have his name up there, if he just used his "vocals". Because, if he did, Freeze would have filed a lawsuit, oh yes he would.


That's not how it works at all : the songwriter and the singer agree to share songwriting credits, even when the singer didn't actually write the song. It's a win-win solution : the singer gets extra money, and the songwriter gets to have his song on a major release by a major artist, which means more money for him.

Do you think that Madonna, Britney Spears, Beyonce or any of those pop stars actually wrote all those songs they're credited on? Just listen to the original demos of some of those songs on Youtube, and you'll find they're similar to the finished products.

If you need to rationalize it so MJ doesn't come off as a liar, I guess you can say that his ad-libs qualify as lyrics, and that's why he got a credit.

teli-mj
04-02-2011, 04:33 PM
On Invincible, he didn't write Break of Dawn, Whatever Happens, Heaven Can Wait, 2000 Watts and You are My Life, despite getting a co-writing credit for them. There are reasons to believe he also didn't write all of the Jerkins tracks, but no definitive evidence.

Proofs??? Because i can say the same thing about lots of people. Were are your proofs?And are you really trying to say to us that in all those songs that Michael is credited as a co-songwritter, he didn't write any of it? Maybe he didn't write Beat it, or Stranger in Moscow at all, who knows?? Here my advice for you.Until you have proofs, is better not to speak. Because you are presenting a hypothetical situation as a fact and you are creating false impressions. I think, as a Michael Jackson fan, you should have known by now that facts and evidences are everything.

kreen
04-02-2011, 04:46 PM
Proofs??? Because i can say the same thing about lots of people? Were are your proofs?And are you really trying to say to us that in all those songs that Michael is credited as a co-songwritter, he didn't write any of it? Maybe he didn't write Beat it, or Stranger in Moscow at all, who knows??


Actually, Brad Buxer should have been credited for Stranger in Moscow, because he did co-write it. But he was fine with letting MJ get sole credit. For more info, check out the amazingly great thread on MJ on the Gearslutz forum.

The fake credit thing only happened on Invincible, thank God. Until then, there is no controversy regarding who wrote what. But during the Invincible period, MJ wasn't as creative and productive as usual, and he depended a lot on other people's material.

As to where all of that info comes from, it's from interviews with the people involved, and from having access to some of the demos.

teli-mj
04-02-2011, 07:21 PM
Actually, Brad Buxer should have been credited for Stranger in Moscow, because he did co-write it. But he was fine with letting MJ get sole credit. For more info, check out the amazingly great thread on MJ on the Gearslutz forum.

The fake credit thing only happened on Invincible, thank God. Until then, there is no controversy regarding who wrote what. But during the Invincible period, MJ wasn't as creative and productive as usual, and he depended a lot on other people's material.

As to where all of that info comes from, it's from interviews with the people involved, and from having access to some of the demos.

Oh now Brad Buxer co-wrote SIM? How do you know that? Were is it writen? Again can you please give me proofs for all the things that you are claiming? Please Proofs?

kreen
04-02-2011, 09:05 PM
Oh now Brad Buxer co-wrote SIM? How do you know that? Were is it writen? Again can you please give me proofs for all the things that you are claiming? Please Proofs?

Read through this thread, which is the most amazing source of info ever assembled on MJ. Brad Buxer, Bill Bottrel and Bruce Swedien are all contributing!

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/403276-post-here-if-you-worked-michael-jacksons-dangerous-album.html

Alma
04-02-2011, 11:10 PM
But during the Invincible period, MJ wasn't as creative and productive as usual, and he depended a lot on other people's material.




And you were in Jackson's head or vicinity to have known that, right? .... He had literally close to a hundred songs he wrote for each album, in any case, many songs, and you're stating without a doubt that his creativity was scarce. And if others around him say that, that's a fact, right? Did he tell them he wasn't as creative? You can say his self-confidence was at times, and of right, shaken, due to the many blows he got all his life on behalf of plenty, that would make anyone go down and sulk, but saying that his creativity for 'Invincible' was not that good sounds bogus/speculative and in line with the media's character attacks at Jackson calling him a has-been. Besides, Jackson's voice during Invincible was deeper and richer than ever before that era, and Invincible was his first album he did as a father; he said how right after his first son was born, his creativity was sky-high, more than before.

So, songs like "Blue Gangster", "Slave To The Rhythm" and many other unreleased Invincible gems are reflective of a poor inspiration?

So, allow some not to take others' word (esp those bragging about working with Jackson) in this case as fact.

redcrush
05-02-2011, 06:12 AM
But during the Invincible period, MJ wasn't as creative and productive as usual, and he depended a lot on other people's material.

I didn't know that there was, actual, proof of this. I was under the impression that most people just assumed so, because of all the credits given to everyone else, but in reality, none of us who worked with MJ in the studio at that time really know.

So it's best not to make assumptions.

AndreyZidane™
05-02-2011, 09:10 AM
Well, most of the Invincible outtakes, the ones that never leaked, are written by Michael himself.

teli-mj
05-02-2011, 02:11 PM
Actually, Brad Buxer should have been credited for Stranger in Moscow, because he did co-write it. But he was fine with letting MJ get sole credit. For more info, check out the amazingly great thread on MJ on the Gearslutz forum.


You are making a lot of assumption man without having one single proof. If you haven't noticed it, Michael was one of the few artist who would give without hesitation credits to other people who worked with him. And he did. If STM was co-writen, the name of the other person would have been on the credit list.It is sad that people are claiming all that stuff not that Michael isn't here to defend himself.And it's bad because there are people who actually believe them.So, again, if you don't have any single proof to back up what you are saying, you just making speculation and bad ones.


The fake credit thing only happened on Invincible, thank God. Until then, there is no controversy regarding who wrote what.

But didn't you just said that Stranger in Moscow was co-writen and Mike took all the credits? You are contradicting yourself.

Now, if you want to go in the speculation and rumors camp,I have heard and read a lot of things in different fan sites about other artist who refuse to give credits to people who worked with them. On of them is no other than Michael's famous "rival". Do i know it for fact? No, i wasn't there.And because i don't know it for fact, i don't reproduce those "fact" because for me are just rumors.
The sad thing for me though regarding this conversations is that even Michael's fan are willing to believe everything that people are claiming about him. It just show me that even they have doupts about Mike's abilities or talend.

Ashtanga
05-02-2011, 04:32 PM
Read through this thread, which is the most amazing source of info ever assembled on MJ. Brad Buxer, Bill Bottrel and Bruce Swedien are all contributing!

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/403276-post-here-if-you-worked-michael-jacksons-dangerous-album.html

Hmmmmmm :thinking:


Wow, I never saw this forum! :mello: I do not know if it is so credible.... :fear: But, thanks for posting.

kreen
06-02-2011, 12:38 AM
I understand that people are disappointed to learn that MJ didn't write most of Invincible : I was too, and it kept me from enjoying the album for the longest time. But now I see it for what it is : an album of MJ, the singer, instead of MJ, the songwriter. It's similar to the old Motown albums, in a way.

As for people who are so in love with the notion that "MJ did it all" that they won't even believe the actual writers and producers of the album, all of whom have nothing but praise for MJ, well, that's your loss.

Gearslutz is a forum dedicated to sound engineering. Some of the most respected sound engineers in the business post regularly on it. The thread I mentioned earlier started when somebody asked a few questions to Rob Hoffman, who worked with MJ on HIStory. The whole thread is gold!

teli-mj
06-02-2011, 01:18 PM
I understand that people are disappointed to learn that MJ didn't write most of Invincible : I was too, and it kept me from enjoying the album for the longest time. But now I see it for what it is : an album of MJ, the singer, instead of MJ, the songwriter. It's similar to the old Motown albums, in a way.

As for people who are so in love with the notion that "MJ did it all" that they won't even believe the actual writers and producers of the album, all of whom have nothing but praise for MJ, well, that's your loss.

Gearslutz is a forum dedicated to sound engineering. Some of the most respected sound engineers in the business post regularly on it. The thread I mentioned earlier started when somebody asked a few questions to Rob Hoffman, who worked with MJ on HIStory. The whole thread is gold!

Just to make myself clear here i am not disappointed at anything. In fact, when i was just a regular fan,i didn't even know that Michael was a song writer.I just admired him for his singing and his videos and the melodies of his songs and that’s it.But when i started to learn more things about him, i was surprised to learn that some of my favourite songs of his were written by him.
Believe me, i know too much about Michael and his work and his concerts and everything.I know the good and the bad stuff.. Few things can disappoint me now. I don't care if he didn't write a single song on Invincible. (Again, there is not a single proof of it but if you want to believe that, that is your right) If you couldn’t enjoy the album because of that, then that is your problem. If you are so obsessed with artist doing everything, producing,singing,writing,engineering,playing all the instruments then I guess you don’t listen much music right? Because the making of an album is a team work.No one does it everything by him/herself.
So, like I said in my previous comment, if I don’t see an actual proof, I prefer to believe the credits that say that Michael did participate actively in the making of Invincible and that he wrote SIM all by himself. If you prefer to believe someone that said something in an internet forum protected by the anonymity and the safety of internet ,again that is your right.
So, from what I understand we have different views on the subject and that’s fine.Βut here my adivice. Don't take what people say on internet forum as a gospel because people can lie and exaggerate trying to make themselfs look important. Having said that i am not going to bother you again because i am seriously start looking and behaving like a stalker. :)

BONGANI
06-02-2011, 03:56 PM
Don't believe what you read in the Invincible booklet : MJ was given credits on songs he neither produced nor wrote. It's a common practice (sadly) in the industry now. For instance, the guy who wrote "Whatever Happens" said basically that in order for his song to be picked for the album, he had to allow MJ and Teddy Riley to share cowriting credits.

However, someone said earlier that MJ didn't write Blood on the Dance Floor. Actually, this is one song that he DID write. Bill Bottrell said that he had written a song by that title, and MJ heard the title and wrote a completely new song based on it. As for the backing music, it was something Teddy Riley had given MJ earlier. So the vocal melody and lyrics are MJ's.

I hear you man. Granted. However ''Break of dawn'' still has a very distinctive MJ sound. I'm not a musician so I can't articulated like I should but If you've listened to MJ long enough you can recognise certian elements of his production. I remember hearing that song for the first time and Michael Jackson was written all over it. So basicly I'm not disputing what you said but I think it doesn't apply to ''Break of dawn''. It just can't.

redcrush
06-02-2011, 04:28 PM
I understand that people are disappointed to learn that MJ didn't write most of Invincible : I was too, and it kept me from enjoying the album for the longest time. But now I see it for what it is : an album of MJ, the singer, instead of MJ, the songwriter. It's similar to the old Motown albums, in a way.

As for people who are so in love with the notion that "MJ did it all" that they won't even believe the actual writers and producers of the album, all of whom have nothing but praise for MJ, well, that's your loss.

Gearslutz is a forum dedicated to sound engineering. Some of the most respected sound engineers in the business post regularly on it. The thread I mentioned earlier started when somebody asked a few questions to Rob Hoffman, who worked with MJ on HIStory. The whole thread is gold!

No offense, but this is the most silliest reasoning not to enjoy a piece of art. The SILLIEST. Who cares about whether or not he shared co-writing credits on almost every single song?! In the end, it's all about how the music and albums sounds, as a whole. My issue with what was said that he was "less creative" during this album. There is just no proof of this. You were not in the studio recording with him. I don't know why he took a lot of songs from others and used those instead or decided to rewrite them. Maybe he had a bunch of his own, but decided not to use them.? This is possible. The point is that you were not there to make said assumptions. In the end, who cares?! This isn't necessary. All that matters is whether the songs are good or not. Also, it's not as if this was a constant issue unlike with some contemporary artists out there today where writers have to come out of the woodwork and try to get some credit from those artists who have to steal it. That would have been an entirely different issue.

Doesn't matter, because, in the end, music is more of a group effort. Only rock fans/critics (Prince fans too) make a big deal about who wrote what and when. Even then they also get help from other musicians, hence the band setting. Music is a reflection of the culture and it's not a sole thing. For some musicians it might be, but that's them and that's how they work. No lost love there.

Also, I have read the entire thread @ Gearslutz as well thank you very much. =)

Silouette
06-02-2011, 06:53 PM
OK, Sorry for going off topic here but..........
Thanks for posting the interview Lidwinee and to MJMirror for the translation.
I loved reading about Dr.Freeze's experience with MJ in the studio.

We never saw him do his vocal exercises before us, but when he came into the studio to record,
he stood before the microphone and set fire to the song. As he left,
the studio was in ashes and our jaws on the floor. It was really impressive to see .
Great qoute. :) Love it.
And I aint surprised. He had the ability to do that...effortlessly.

Michael is magic.

Alma
06-02-2011, 11:36 PM
I understand that people are disappointed to learn that MJ didn't write most of Invincible

No, 'most' informed one, you don't.


It's similar to the old Motown albums, in a way.

No, it isn't.



As for people who are so in love with the notion that "MJ did it all"

Nobody here is. If we believed he did it all, we wouldn't have read the album song credits so as nor to ruin our fantasy.


Gearslutz is a forum dedicated to sound engineering. Some of the most respected sound engineers in the business post regularly on it. The thread I mentioned earlier started when somebody asked a few questions to Rob Hoffman, who worked with MJ on HIStory. The whole thread is gold!

Well, then, have a nice return and experience at Gearslutz, and leave us, blind ignorants, on here to discuss the Freeze interview.

Beleuza Brazil
07-02-2011, 12:40 AM
It was a great interview, thanks for posting

8701girl
07-02-2011, 03:02 AM
Who cares if mj wrote a song or didnt, as long as we hear his voice thats all that matters, right?

noirnoar
07-02-2011, 11:40 AM
That's not how it works at all : the songwriter and the singer agree to share songwriting credits, even when the singer didn't actually write the song. It's a win-win solution : the singer gets extra money, and the songwriter gets to have his song on a major release by a major artist, which means more money for him.

Do you think that Madonna, Britney Spears, Beyonce or any of those pop stars actually wrote all those songs they're credited on? Just listen to the original demos of some of those songs on Youtube, and you'll find they're similar to the finished products.

If you need to rationalize it so MJ doesn't come off as a liar, I guess you can say that his ad-libs qualify as lyrics, and that's why he got a credit.


You need to give us proofs, not links to forums. Like official statement from the folks.

Besides for the guy who said he wrote "Whatever happened", for that song there are a lot of names as a co-writers registered, not just Michael's name (Writer: Gilbert Cang, Michael Jackson, J. Quay, Teddy Riley, Geoffrey William). I guess the song originally wasn't that good, since so many people, did add something to make the song as it is on the album. Another wise why would MJJ went through all the trouble to get all of them as a co-writer if they did not contribute? If the song in album is not the same as it was original given, who ever made the change needs to be credit regardless how minuscule "in your eyes" that change is. Because the song is not anymore "his/her" originally and absolutely.

magicangel
09-02-2011, 05:41 AM
I cant wait to hear a place without no name

Ohood
09-02-2011, 11:34 PM
@ Kreen ...the link u posted is very very insightful ...thanx alot !

Krshna28
10-02-2011, 02:43 AM
It's about time............


Just no more badly edited demos...........or random "posthumous duets" (if the upcoming "duet album" is actually happening)...........


We just want the actual complete songs that Michael recorded!!!!


We need to tell Sony/Estate that anything less then that is unacceptable!!!!...........

loveforever
11-02-2011, 02:53 PM
I had read many people accused michael of "stealing" the song 'whatever happens', and took the song writing credit, that is so ridiculous. The song was composed by Five people, Michael Jackson is the initiator so his name was in the first place. The lyrics/meaning were similar to "don't walk away". The song is so personal, it was so obviously written during his divorce/break up period. After LMP's interview, it's not hard to guess who she was. similarly, "Break of Dawn" is initially written by Dr.Freeze, but Michael turned the song into his personal stories, he changed the song+lyrics so he took part of the song writing credit.

Teddy Riley's twitter:


@TeddyRiley1 (http://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1) someone put "whatever happens" demo by Gil Cang/Geoffrey on YT, and claimed Mike and you stole their song. True?

very untrue. Why are they just coming now? Makes no sense.

Michael always respect talents and gave chances to those young artists, for example, butterflies song writer and producer Andre Harris. He didn't put his name on this 20 something young artist's song, simply because he didn't write it. whoever came out after his death to claim otherwise are attention seekers and liars.

Michael Jackson had so many god given talents because he had the humble, grateful, and genuine heart, which apparently most people in today's world lacked. is there anything left Michael Jackson haven't been accused yet?:bugeyed

Alma
11-02-2011, 03:51 PM
Is there anything left Michael Jackson haven't been accused yet?:bugeyed


No. ....

teli-mj
11-02-2011, 04:18 PM
is there anything left Michael Jackson haven't been accused yet?:bugeyed

Yes. I don't think that he has ever been accused of being one of the reasons for the outbreak of the First and Second World War and that is only because he wasn't born yet. But, he has been accused of being a Nazi worshiper so i guess that you can say that they have tried to connect him with that period one way or another.

Ohood
11-02-2011, 04:27 PM
Dr Freez did not say anything wrong , he only said that he gave the song to MJ and MJ liked it and sang it !!!

honestly you are making no sense at ALL !

the creidts say 1-Dr. Freez ....2- Michael Jackson !!! so wo is the one who made the song in the first place ?

why you try to make us hate evreyone ,,,are we fans of the hatred or love !?

FedoraHatGirl2058
11-02-2011, 05:21 PM
Actually, Brad Buxer should have been credited for Stranger in Moscow, because he did co-write it. But he was fine with letting MJ get sole credit. For more info, check out the amazingly great thread on MJ on the Gearslutz forum.

The fake credit thing only happened on Invincible, thank God. Until then, there is no controversy regarding who wrote what. But during the Invincible period, MJ wasn't as creative and productive as usual, and he depended a lot on other people's material.

As to where all of that info comes from, it's from interviews with the people involved, and from having access to some of the demos.

Oh God really, now some fans are accusing Michael, and without any proof??? wow! , i read everything on that forum about MJ and just makes me realize just how great michael was... but you i mean yougot all WRONG!, and i dont understand just why are you saying Brad Buxer should be credited... :lol: well your head must be more trained than mine.... :smilerolleyes:



I had read many people accused michael of "stealing" the song 'whatever happens', and took the song writing credit, that is so ridiculous. The song was composed by Five people, Michael Jackson is the initiator so his name was in the first place. The lyrics/meaning were similar to "don't walk away". The song is so personal, it was so obviously written during his divorce/break up period. After LMP's interview, it's not hard to guess who she was. similarly, "Break of Dawn" is initially written by Dr.Freeze, but Michael turned the song into his personal stories, he changed the song+lyrics so he took the song writing credit.

Teddy Riley's twitter:


Michael always respect talents and gave chances to those young artists, for example, butterflies song writer and producer Andre Harris. He didn't put his name on this 20 something young artist's song, simply because he didn't write it. whoever came out after his death are attention seekers and liars.

Michael Jackson had so many god given talents because he had the humble, grateful, and genuine heart, which apparently most people in today's world lacked. is there anything left Michael Jackson haven't been accused yet?:bugeyed

Thanks for this post , :flowers:

analogue
11-02-2011, 05:35 PM
Who cares if mj wrote a song or didnt, as long as we hear his voice thats all that matters, right?

I see your point but many fans (myself included) feel that Michael's best songs are the ones he writes and composes alone. Yes there are exceptions like Man In The Mirror and Human Nature but for the most part alot of fans think that Mike's best songs are the one's he writes and composes by himself.

That was one of the things i didn't like about Invincible was that Mike seemed to rely to much on outside songwriters to come in and co-wrote the whole album with him. The only 2 songs that Mike wrote and composed by himself was Speechless and The Lost Children. I feel that the lack of songs written and composed by Michael affected the quality of the album. I don't feel that none of the songs on Invincible can stand up to songs like Who Is It, They Don't Care About Us, Liberian Girl, Smooth Criminal and Will You Be There.

Also for some reason i get exicted when i read the album credits and he read the words ''Written and Composed by Michael Jackson''

That's one thing i would have loved Michael to have done. Write and compose a full album all by himself. The closest we're ever gonna get to that is the Bad album

smelly fan
11-02-2011, 08:35 PM
thank you for sharing, i fills me with joy to hear/read this interview, Michael clearly had a 'deep' impact on the people who worked with him. Their stories reveal what otherwise never would have been known. can't thank you enough for sharing!

zavala
11-02-2011, 08:35 PM
Im kind Of new here, but actual the album Michael has been unciones more is history. It is te album that Michael produced and wrote most of his songs.

tricia70
05-03-2011, 08:22 PM
On "Break of Dawn" he is credited as a co-writer on Invincible, although only on 2nd place behind Dr Freeze, which might be a sign that his contribution was limited. However I don't believe either that his contribution was zero. Why would be he then credited as co-writer?

Also Dr. Freeze first says the song is as he gave it to Michael, nothing was changed, but then later he says: "Sometimes he recorded the lead vocals, sometimes it was just the chorus or adlib ... He also listened to the different mixes and changed some details in here and there."

This is exactly why he was credited as a co-writer then. And then it's not true he didn't contribute at all.....


In that same interview, they also mention Michael changed one verse and made changes when he came back to record again. So Michael did re-write the lyrics and the music it seems to me.

DARKLIGHTDAN
05-03-2011, 09:57 PM
cant wait to hear them, and the next album... :-)

tricia70
05-03-2011, 10:10 PM
He's not being entirely honest about ''Break of dawn'' though. He says Michael used the song exactly as it was when he presented it to him. That can't be true. One can hear Michael distinctivr sound all over that track. Plus Michael is credited as co-producer on the album sleeve.


THANK YOU! That's what i am saying. When it comes to Mike and his work there will always be someone who will get more credits than him. This guy is talking like he did all the work and Mike just sang.Not fair and especially now that Michael is not here.


I don't think you understood my post. Nowhere did I mention songwriting. Ofcourse Dr Freeze deserves credit for producing the song. I was just disputing the fact that that he said Michael used ''Break of dawn'' whithout making any alterations to it. How can this be true when Michael is CREDITED as CO-PRODUCER on the album sleeve plus one can actually HEAR Michael's input.


This is it was co-writen by Michael but anyway. I don't think that some of us become over sensitive.It's just a fact and something that lots of us have noticed.That when people talk about Mike and his music work, they simply don't give him enough credits. That's why you have so many people out there think that Mike didn't write a single song in his life, that he was just a singing and dancing boy, an overrated artist who had good staff around him and that's why he was so succesful.


The interview about BOD is a little contradictory but maybe it was lost in translation. Michael was credited as a co-writer, and co-producer. Freeze contradicts himself here and there saying at first Michael didn't touch the song, when later in the same interview it states thatMichael changed a verse and made other changes and added other details so he was clearly a co-writer and co-producer.

As for the ridiculous claim made by Kreen that Michael simply forced ppl to put his name as writer credit in order for them to have the song inthe album, well I have never heard something that assinine. If that is the case then why didn't he give himself credit on Butterflies. Also Michael was very generous, he gave ppl credit on a lot of his songs, ie. We are the World, he could have easily never given L. Ritchie credit but he did.

Kreen has always been very skeptical of Michael's writing talents. I've seen many of his posts on the now defunct "new album thread". And I do realize its because he wants Michael to write every song. But, what is wrong with having collaborations? And now because of this, he never wrote most of the songs in Invincible? All his song credits there are simply fake? So that is how the music industry operates today? Artists stealing songs from writers?

I am just sooo happy we'll get to hear Blue Gangsta, and I know most of the fans must be ecstatic that APWNN will finally be released. I was never keen on that song because it is a cover, but I am still looking forward to it.