US Presidential Election ... [All recent threads merged here]

[browneyedgirl]

... At this point, McCain should just throw in the towel. It's useless. Actually, he probably believes he's going to win come Nov. 4th. At his age, I'd be too afraid it'll come as a shock and he might suffer a heart attack. :bugeyed

EDIT: Was that mean? That was mean. I joke.

[mello1]

for those who have voted all ready.. Anyone feel OK with sharing who you voted for?


Wanna take a guess?

[Justthefacts]

As we get closer to this election I am preparing myself for a let down. Why you ask? Was not that many years ago black people were killed for trying to vote. Was not that many years ago that years ago that the killer of Medgar Evers stayed free for years after shooting man in the back. This is the same country that people would put on there Sunday's best to go out and watch a man be lynched. And, the same country that in 04 reelected George Bush after he stole in in 2000. I want nothing more then to be standing in front of my TV on November 4 with tears in my eyes watching Barack Obama be declared the winner. But I am prepared to be looking at my TV in disgust watching MCCain being declared the winner. I hate to drag the thread down but I can't let this go

[Billie The Kid Jean]

^^ Yes this is true. Stranger things have happened. And as you guys( and girls) know, even if Barack does win the election he might not "Win" like Al Gore did.

[Love.him]

I see what you're saying, but that's why people must go out and vote & I would recommend voting early.


As we get closer to this election I am preparing myself for a let down. Why you ask? Was not that many years ago black people were killed for trying to vote. Was not that many years ago that years ago that the killer of Medgar Evers stayed free for years after shooting man in the back. This is the same country that people would put on there Sunday's best to go out and watch a man be lynched. And, the same country that in 04 reelected George Bush after he stole in in 2000. I want nothing more then to be standing in front of my TV on November 4 with tears in my eyes watching Barack Obama be declared the winner. But I am prepared to be looking at my TV in disgust watching MCCain being declared the winner. I hate to drag the thread down but I can't let this go

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

Didn't Bush lose the popular election in 04? But he won the electoral vote, which is the only one that really matters. That's the only way I see Obama losing. The electoral college usually votes the way of popular opinion, but not always. It's jacked up when you realize your vote doesn't really count at all.

[mjsgirl4eva]

i am voting monday

[Bob George]

Didn't Bush lose the popular election in 04? But he won the electoral vote, which is the only one that really matters. That's the only way I see Obama losing. The electoral college usually votes the way of popular opinion, but not always. It's jacked up when you realize your vote doesn't really count at all.

In some states electorates can get fined or kicked off the electoral board for being "faithless" (i.e. not voting by way of the popular vote in that state). And the electoral college is a winner-takes-all system. So even if a state has a "faithless" electorate, whoever gets the majority of the votes from that state adds all the electoral votes from that state to their cumulative total. But the occurrence of a "faithless" voter is very rare. Electorates aren't meant to serve as opinionated voters who cast their votes for the electoral college based on their personal preference. They serve more like a representation of the popular vote in their state. So the fact that electorates cast the votes, not the public, doesn't mean your vote doesn't count.

Bush's victory in 2000 was not because of "faithless" voters but because the mathematics of the electoral votes in each state per capita didn't add up right so in a rare occurrence Bush was able to win the most electoral vote without winning the national popular vote. If the mathematics of the electoral college was perfect, there'd be no way that could happen.

[KOPV]

though I hope and think Obama will win... I would not take the pressure off of McCain and say "Obama GOT THIS" because you NEVER KNOW...

I have been suprized too many times to be suprized by this country.. lol!

Can anyone say FLORIDA..

[jamgirl86]

Wanna take a guess?

Wow. Mello.

I haven't been here in almost a year.

Volunteering in NC for Barack.

:)

[Scorpio]

I am excited because I do think Barack is going to win this thing. But at the same time, I'm afraid of what can and perhaps will happen to him if he does win.

There are people that say racism and hate is dead. Well if you say that then, you're simply blind. Obviously its better than what it used to be but if one thing has been proven throughout this whole process is that its alive and doing well for itself. And its a shame, it truely is. But what more can you do, and what more can you ask for?

I've been wanting and waiting for the next great, African American leader my entire short life. And I feel we found him, but at what price that is....well...we'll have to wait and see. And you know its a shame when you look for the next "African American Leader" and not simply the next "Great Leader". But thats the way it is, and you can't live your life in fear. So I continue to hope and pray for the best.

[Janey]

Although Im not American I really want Barack Obama to win, but looking in the news today, the polls seem to suggest that the gap between the two has narrowed substantially.

[Sifa_Dias]

Although Im not American I really want Barack Obama to win, but looking in the news today, the polls seem to suggest that the gap between the two has narrowed substantially.

Those are just popularity polls and not nationwide, they are hardly ever a good representation of the situattion.

[LindaC781]

I am so afraid for Barack. THere is so much racial hatred going on...and that little baby bear getting killed....it's just so crazy. Now I know why Colin Powell himself didn't run, and why his wife didn't want him to run. But a person just can't run and hide all of their life. A person needs to stand up for what he/she believes in. No matter what!!

[Bob George]

This is a must-see. All I can say it about is, "WOW!" You're going to have to see this one for yourself. I can't even describe it. It's a powerful, powerful message and I hope everyone gets the chance to see it because this is exactly what people want to hear from a leader. It's incredible. Just watch....

Barack Obama speaking in Richmond, Virginia
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Let me tell you something. Because I know you've been hearing a lot of stuff lately. There are no real parts of the country and fake parts of the country. The are no pro-America parts of the country and anti-America parts of the country. We all love this country no matter where we live or where we come from. Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native-American, young, old, rich, poor, gay, straight, city-dweller, farm-dwellers. It doesn't matter. We're all together. There are patriots who were for this war in Iraq and patriots who opposed it. There are patriots who believe in Democratic policies and those who believe in Republican policies. The men and women from Virginia and all across the country who serve on our battlefields. Some are Democrats, some are Republicans, some are Independents. But they fought together and bled together. Some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a red America. They have not served a blue America. They have served the United States of America. Nobody should forget that. (crowd: U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!...) We've always been at our best when we've had leadership that has called on us to look past our differences. To come together as a nation. Leadership that rallies us to a common purpose, a higher purpose. I'm running for President because that's the country we need to be right now. This country and the dream it represents are being tested in ways we haven't seen in nearly a century. Future generations will judge us by how we responded to this test. Will they say this is a time when America lost its way, lost it's nerve; when we allowed the same divisions, the same petty difference to plunge us into a dark and painful recession? Or will they say this was another one of those moments when America rose up; when we overcame, when we battled back from adversity, when we recognized the common stake we have in each-other? Now there's one of those moments. Richmond, I realize many of you are cynical. Many of you are fed up with politics. I understand you're disappointed, even angry with your leaders and you've got every right to be. But despite all this I ask of you to do what has been asked of Americans throughout our history. I ask you to believe. Believe in yourselves. Believe in each-other. Believe in the future we can build together. Together we can't fail. Not now. Together we can't fail. Not when we have a crisis to solve. Not when we have an economy to save. Not when there's so many Americans without jobs, losing there homes, can't afford to see a doctor, can't afford to send their kids to college or pay their bills. Not when there's a generation that's counting on us to give them the same opportunities somebody gave us. Everybody in this auditorium, at some point, somebody stood up for you. Some of you had parents or grandparents who couldn't go to college but they fought so you could go to college. You had parents or grandparents who couldn't start their own business but they struggled so you could start your own business. They might not have been able to vote but they marched and fought so you could vote. Maybe you could run for the United States Senate. Maybe you could run for the Presidency of the United States of America. That's what this election is about. That's what we're fighting for. And in the next 13 days, if you fight with me, if you work with me, if you make phone calls with me, if you organize with me, I promise you we'll win Virginia and we'll win this election and you and I together we'll change this country and change the world. Thank you everybody. Good night and God bless you.

[TillitsGone]

Wow, that was pretty moving. It's true, even if we've had our ups and downs from what's going on, at the end of the day, we still love America. Honestly, it'll be a shame if he doesn't get elected. I really hope that we can do this now, because I don't think we'll ever get a chance like this again, for a long long time.

[~* White Chocolate *~]

^ amen!

[arXter]

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270 to win
Tossup: 87


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[TillitsGone]

Man, I was trying out that map thing... and I clicked on all states for Mccain :bugeyed:

Almost gave me a concussion. Thanks arX.

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

In some states electorates can get fined or kicked off the electoral board for being "faithless" (i.e. not voting by way of the popular vote in that state). And the electoral college is a winner-takes-all system. So even if a state has a "faithless" electorate, whoever gets the majority of the votes from that state adds all the electoral votes from that state to their cumulative total. But the occurrence of a "faithless" voter is very rare. Electorates aren't meant to serve as opinionated voters who cast their votes for the electoral college based on their personal preference. They serve more like a representation of the popular vote in their state. So the fact that electorates cast the votes, not the public, doesn't mean your vote doesn't count.

Bush's victory in 2000 was not because of "faithless" voters but because the mathematics of the electoral votes in each state per capita didn't add up right so in a rare occurrence Bush was able to win the most electoral vote without winning the national popular vote. If the mathematics of the electoral college was perfect, there'd be no way that could happen.

Oh. Shows what I know, lol. It would be so much easier if they just got rid of the electoral college though, I think.

[Bob George]

I think that CNN map is a few days old. Or they're using old polls. The electoral map projection is looking more like this at the moment...

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn96/Bob_George/electoralcollegeoct24.jpg

With 12 days to go can McCain turn this around? I don't think so. Obama has it in the bag. But that's not to say you still don't need to vote if you're an 18+ US citizen.

[elusive moonwalker]

nothing would surprise me if things changed by polling day. all this computer voting is very dodgy as shown in the past. who knows what might go on this time

[Bob George]

nothing would surprise me if things changed by polling day. all this computer voting is very dodgy as shown in the past. who knows what might go on this time

There's already been complaints in West Virginia from people who turned up for early voting that they pressed the button for Obama but the machine said they voted for McCain.

[L.J]

^ that's insane!

[Bob George]

Apparently they reported it to the organisers of the polling station and they said not to worry because there's a paper trail running through the machine and even if the machine said you voted for McCain, if you pressed the button for Obama then your vote will come up for Obama on paper. They then asked if the organisers could check the paper trail to confirm that their vote was recorded for Obama but the organizers said they couldn't look at anyone's votes until election day.

[Scorpio]

Apparently they reported it to the organisers of the polling station and they said not to worry because there's a paper trail running through the machine and even if the machine said you voted for McCain, if you pressed the button for Obama then your vote will come up for Obama on paper. They then asked if the organisers could check the paper trail to confirm that their vote was recorded for Obama but the organizers said they couldn't look at anyone's votes until election day.

Wow thats really messed up and I would be furious.

When its all said and done I really do think this is going to be much closer than those polls are saying at the moment. I expect controversy either way. So hopefully stuff like that doesn't mess with the outcome.

[Naturelle]

Obama/Biden '08. Just can't see Palin as President, sorry.

[snorlaaax]

I dont live in America, but I really want Obama to win.
Seriously, if he looses this I might even cry.

[lovelymj]

I think McCain should win, people have been brain washed about Obama! The guy is inexperienced, and when he speaks he sounds like he's not very sure of what he's saying. His ideas also are not very determined, or convincing. And let's not even talk about Biden, aside from the fact that the dude is an idiot, he didn't even want to run with Obama, as he doesn't agree with his ideas. But ofcourse you don't see that in the media.People should open their eyes and see that McCain is a true patriot, he has done so much for the country, and he's very determined. Palin is a also a great role model, especially for women, beautiful and smart. His heart is in it, but Obama's isn't. I believe that Obama just copies Martin Luther King too much, he's only in it for publicity. Jut remeber that McCain is not Bush, he doesn't evn agree with some things that Bush has done. I am not some crazy republican, I don't take any pary's side, but I am just worried that by Obama's selection as president this country will be in big trouble.

[arXter]

People should open their eyes and see that McCain is a true patriot,
i believe this is the kind of rhetoric that will not fool the voting public this time around.

and welcome to the board, always nice to break the ice with politics.

[mello1]

I think McCain should win, people have been brain washed about Obama! The guy is inexperienced, and when he speaks he sounds like he's not very sure of what he's saying. His ideas also are not very determined, or convincing. And let's not even talk about Biden, aside from the fact that the dude is an idiot, he didn't even want to run with Obama, as he doesn't agree with his ideas. But ofcourse you don't see that in the media.People should open their eyes and see that McCain is a true patriot, he has done so much for the country, and he's very determined. Palin is a also a great role model, especially for women, beautiful and smart. His heart is in it, but Obama's isn't. I believe that Obama just copies Martin Luther King too much, he's only in it for publicity. Jut remeber that McCain is not Bush, he doesn't evn agree with some things that Bush has done. I am not some crazy republican, I don't take any pary's side, but I am just worried that by Obama's selection as president this country will be in big trouble.

Funny you use the word 'brainwashed'....

And first time poster i c.

And not very knowledgable on McCain's positions or lack thereof.

Oh and peeps don't vote for folk because they look like beauty queens -- they have to have some knowledge there, you know?

[mello1]

Didn't Bush lose the popular election in 04? But he won the electoral vote, which is the only one that really matters. That's the only way I see Obama losing. The electoral college usually votes the way of popular opinion, but not always. It's jacked up when you realize your vote doesn't really count at all.

He won both the popular vote (by 3 million) and electoral college vote in 2004.

He lost the popular vote and was given the state of Florida's electoral college vote in 2000 to put him over.

Unfortunately, they didn't count all of the Florida votes, which had Bush losing, and Ohio in 2004 was corrupt from top to bottom. There was also major problems in New Mexico.

While the GOP is still trying to game the system, the majority of Independents and a good % of Republicans will cross over this time. It will be too hard to game the system because it would have to be done in multiple states.

Plus unlike Gore and Kerry, I think that Obama is banking a lot of contributions to use for lawyers if they try this time.

[mello1]

Although Im not American I really want Barack Obama to win, but looking in the news today, the polls seem to suggest that the gap between the two has narrowed substantially.

You are probably referring to that AP poll; it's definitely an outlier because half of those polled were evangelical christians. At best, that group makes up only 20% of the total population, not 45%.

While I know that anything is possible, I remain cautiously optimistic.

I hope that people vote early, especially in states where they use funky voting systems and in the battleground states.

But something tells me that Americans will not stand for any hi jinx this time around...

[L.J]

I'm sick of all the people who are telling me that Palin is a great role model for women...

And since when should we all aspire to be "beautiful and smart" ? Isn't it just enough to be smart? and what is smart? because I know some brilliant people who only care about numero uno. What determines beauty? See I don't find her that particuarly attractive :unsure: I'm not saying she's ugly, I'm just saying she doesn't really have any real appeal (maybe everyone is comparing her to Hilary and thinking "well at least she's better looking than ol hil").

I'm sorry but Palin will never be a role model for me.... unless I aim to be an underachiever or half a woman

[lovelymj]

Funny you use the word 'brainwashed'....

And first time poster i c.

And not very knowledgable on McCain's positions or lack thereof.

Oh and peeps don't vote for folk because they look like beauty queens -- they have to have some knowledge there, you know?
I am not saying that we should vote for her becuse she's a beauty queen, I am just saying that she has the total package, and she's very smart. Hello, she governed an entire state, Alaska. And can you explain yourself about McCain's lack or position?! I have the right to my opinion, just as you do.

[lovelymj]

I'm sorry but Palin will never be a role model for me.... unless I aim to be an underachiever or half a woman
What?!

[Justthefacts]

I am not saying that we should vote for her becuse she's a beauty queen, I am just saying that she has the total package, and she's very smart. Hello, she governed an entire state, Alaska. And can you explain yourself about McCain's lack or position?! I have the right to my opinion, just as you do.


I don't call a person who makes rape victims pay for there own rape kits smart. I call them mean

[lovelymj]

I don't call a person who makes rape victims pay for there own rape kits smart. I call them mean

Can you explain?!

[mello1]

I am not saying that we should vote for her becuse she's a beauty queen, I am just saying that she has the total package, and she's very smart. Hello, she governed an entire state, Alaska. And can you explain yourself about McCain's lack or position?! I have the right to my opinion, just as you do.

First of all, no one has said that you don't have a right to your opinion. But don't think for one minute that your opinion won't go unchallenged. Second, the 'whole package' is irrelevant in my opinion, for the position of Vice President of the United States. I could care less what she looks like. Actually, I think that Hillary Clinton looks better. So does Senator Mary Kay Hutchinson of Texas and a whole host of other Republican female politicans and they are smart to boot, even though I don't agree with their positions. Governor Palin is wholly unqualified to assume the position of Vice President and no way would I trust her to be President, for the following reasons:

1. She is not knowledgable on economic issues. She is clearly not knowledgable on foreign affairs. AT ALL. We've already have a President who is wholly intellecturally deficient in these areas, which is why we are so screwed up now. We don't need a continuation of the Bush Administration.

2. She has ethics problems. She used her position as Governor to get her ex-brother-in-law terminated from his state job. She's fired others from her staff for questionable reasons. She allowed her husband to to be privved to state business meetings and he is a civilian. Her Alaskan pipeline deal was set up to favor certain businesses -- a violation of procurement guidelines. She used the state's plane to fly her family on unofficial state business and she changed the status of some of that travel as state business when it wasn't. She's a liar and a cheat, and the IRS will visit her soon regarding the 150,000k clothing, and the perdiem she took inappropriately. Just WHY the people of Alaska voted her Governor is a mystery. She is wholly unqualified for that position and her executive experience is laughable.

3. Since we are so concerned about 'associations', lets talk about her husband actually being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, an organization that believes in succession. Gov. Palin taped a welcome message to the AIP just this year. Not smear allegations. These are stone facts.

4. And what about her religious affilations? If she is not ashamed of it, why not explain it? Pentacostal warrior? Outing the 'devil' by zipcode?

No thank you. She can fly herself and her whole family back to Alaska and stay there. It would not bother me in the least to never hear about her again.

Oh and yes, I can explain Senator McCain's positions, but more importantly, since you brought it up, it's on you to defend him. I certainly don't need to and won't.

[mello1]

Can you explain?!

You need an explanation on Governor's Palin's history? What that says to me is that you don't really know very much about the woman you support, do you?

Well, a rape kit is what the police uses to process physical evidence from a race victim and Governor Palin makes race victims PAY for these kits.

This is a government expense.

[TillitsGone]

Peps laying the smackdown on sh*t. Kudos :lol:

[Bob George]

If McCain wins I'm going on a trip to the States ASAP. Because I want to see it before it completely goes to ish. But if Obama wins I'll have plenty of time to save up and plan my trip because the US might stand a chance of surviving if they get a decent President. But if McCain and Palin get into the White House then god knows what's going to happen to the US.

[Scorpio]

I'm sick of all the people who are telling me that Palin is a great role model for women...

And since when should we all aspire to be "beautiful and smart" ? Isn't it just enough to be smart? and what is smart? because I know some brilliant people who only care about numero uno. What determines beauty? See I don't find her that particuarly attractive :unsure: I'm not saying she's ugly, I'm just saying she doesn't really have any real appeal (maybe everyone is comparing her to Hilary and thinking "well at least she's better looking than ol hil").

I'm sorry but Palin will never be a role model for me.... unless I aim to be an underachiever or half a woman

You know that is interesting. So many people on tv say "oh shes such a role model for women blah blah blah" but yet every girl I've come across in reality has said that she is a disgrace to women.

"I'm a mother, I'm from Alaska, I'm a maverick, I'm this and that" Shut up! You're a mother...wow. A lot of women are that congratulations. And most of them are suffering financially, you're doing just fine for yourself so dont say you're just like the rest of us. No one cares that you are from Alaska and you are not a maverick.

I think shes an air head but what do i know.

[lovelymj]

You need an explanation on Governor's Palin's history? What that says to me is that you don't really know very much about the woman you support, do you?

Well, a rape kit is what the police uses to process physical evidence from a race victim and Governor Palin makes race victims PAY for these kits.

This is a government expense.
Ok I don't have to know every little detail about her history, but I can see that she has done alot of things about Alaska, and she is a strong intelligent woman. What can you say about Biden who got himself into legal problems, and resigned?! And what about Obama who wants to solve nation's problems by seating down and having conversations with terrorists?! By the time the dude does that, we will all be blown to pieces.

[lovelymj]

I think shes an air head but what do i know.I bet you think that about every pretty woman out there.....

[mello1]

Ok I don't have to know every little detail about her history, but I can see that she has done alot of things about Alaska, and she is a strong intelligent woman. What can you say about Biden who got himself into legal problems, and resigned?! And what about Obama who wants to solve nation's problems by seating down and having conversations with terrorists?! By the time the dude does that, we will all be blown to pieces.

I think that you should know about the things that I listed that are facts about Governor Palin and not the nonsensical innuendo and half-told statements that you are spewing. I listed 4 solid reasons why Palin is a problem, yet did you read them?

Because if you did, you would not let the words strong and intelligent come out of your thoughts about this woman.

And in case you haven't noticed, we have been blown away by 'terrorists' already based on the flawed strategy of not talking to foreign governments as the Geneva Convention prescribes.

[L.J]

I am not saying that we should vote for her becuse she's a beauty queen, I am just saying that she has the total package, and she's very smart. Hello, she governed an entire state, Alaska. And can you explain yourself about McCain's lack or position?! I have the right to my opinion, just as you do.

That's nothing :lol: Bush governed an entire country... :ermm:


What?!

you heard me :cheeky:

People like Palin push back the women's rights movement everytime they step up and talk about the "traditional" role that us women should be playing and trampling on our rights in regards to our body etc




Ok I don't have to know every little detail about her history, but I can see that she has done alot of things about Alaska, and she is a strong intelligent woman. What can you say about Biden who got himself into legal problems, and resigned?! And what about Obama who wants to solve nation's problems by seating down and having conversations with terrorists?! By the time the dude does that, we will all be blown to pieces.

One of the greatest mistakes anyone can make in a time of war is to assume they know everything about the other person. Heads of states who do not communicate can never resolve their issues.

I'd rather see Obama try to talk with these leaders as opposed to McCain... I watched those presidential debates where McCain referred to the leaders of North Korea, Russia and Iran as crazy people... not entirely diplomatic.... and in my opinion highly stupid. Those debates were aired around the world, now I dunno about you but I'd be pretty pissed off if I was getting called a crazy, unstable war mongering person.

(I understood why McCain took that whole stance... you know scare the public into thinking that these other leaders are all out to kill off US citizens, and that way those same misinformed scared people would go and vote for McCain because after all he's been to war he knows what he's talking about etc etc)


@ Scorpio ... Yes! the whole "I'm a mother!" thing... good grief.... and I'm more than a little disgusted in the way she parade's her small child around like a prop...

[Scorpio]

I bet you think that about every pretty woman out there.....

lol fail.

Seriously, was that the best reply you could come up with to possibly attempt to defend her?

[Roxanne]

If McCain wins I'm going on a trip to the States ASAP. Because I want to see it before it completely goes to ish. But if Obama wins I'll have plenty of time to save up and plan my trip because the US might stand a chance of surviving if they get a decent President. But if McCain and Palin get into the White House then god knows what's going to happen to the US.

same here. i hope obama wins for america's sake.

[lovelymj]

I think that you should know about the things that I listed that are facts about Governor Palin and not the nonsensical innuendo and half-told statements that you are spewing. I listed 4 solid reasons why Palin is a problem, yet did you read them?

Because if you did, you would not let the words strong and intelligent come out
She is intelligent and strong, and yes I read your statements, and frankly you don't convince me!

[lovelymj]

@ Scorpio ... Yes! the whole "I'm a mother!" thing... good grief.... and I'm more than a little disgusted in the way she parade's her small child around like a prop...
Who are you to talk about the way she "parades" her child? And yes she talks about being a mother because that is the most beautiful thing in the world, and she tries to familiarize with many women out there. I don't think that's anything wrong with that.

[Mechi]

lovelymj it is remarkable that all posts you've ever done on this whole mjjcommunity are in this very thread to find.

Not saying you're not entitled to your opinion. But I'm wondering if that is what republicans find already necessary lol to come on boards like mjjcommunity and be 'sweet' and 'naive' all they can.
As a republican supporter who you seem to be I'd like to hear about your stand that Mr. Bush as a republican politician (and he wasn't working alone there, was he... and he wasn't really critizised neither by Palin nor by McCain) I'd like to ask you lovelymj who you think is reponsible for the biggest crises the US (and not only its economy) is in since decades.
Is someone responsible for this? Does someone take responsibility for this? What do you think?

I'd also like to know your standpoint on sexual education in the US knowing Mrs. Palins statement and that her wonderful daughter is pregnant?

Oh and if you answer all this please don't start with 'In Alaska...' (it would just give me laugh flash as a world citizen ;) ).

Then again I'd also like to know your standpoint on that Mrs. Palin needs to give more money to her stylist (clothes, cosmetics etc.) than even McCain is paying his political advisors? beauty queen uh? seems she needs some expensive help with her beauty or with her self confidence issues?

I'm just interested...



lol I'm just interested.

[Scorpio]

Who are you to talk about the way she "parades" her child? And yes she talks about being a mother because that is the most beautiful thing in the world, and she tries to familiarize with many women out there. I don't think that's anything wrong with that.

Mhm. Its more so the fact that she tries too hard to stress that shes like everyone in this country when she really is not. It always has to be about her personal life instead of her political career with her. Which its alright to try to connect with people, thats the point of course. But its always about her.

Its always about her family, and Alaska, and Soccer Moms or whatever. She has yet to really say anything that she can or will attempt to do to fix this country (not just her state). She tries to hard to connect and that is obvious in every conversation she has. I can at least give McCain some credit...tough all he seems to say is he has the "Scars to prove" everything. Yes you were in the military John, thats respectable. But when you parade it around like it makes you better than everyone, it sends the wrong message. And thats exactly what you have been doing.

Compare this to Obama. He always says that he is not like the average family, and he admits that which is the smart thing to do. He admits he is living and living well, but he stresses that he is out to help people because he has been there himself. At least with that statement, he connects and you know its the truth. That is what people should be saying not, how they are "just like you" when they really aren't.

If they'd both stop trying to hard to appear like the average person, they might be closer in this race.

[mello1]

She is intelligent and strong, and yes I read your statements, and frankly you don't convince me!

I'm not trying to convince you. I'm informing you -- that's the difference. Now if you choose not to get yourself educated about the people who you want for a position like this, then that's on you.

But it is simply not logical to conclude that Palin is intelligent in light of the facts that I laid out.

[L.J]

Who are you to talk about the way she "parades" her child?

Well what would you call it? cause from where I'm standing that's what it looks like to me.

[TillitsGone]

Shamone errbody :moonwalk: Countdown to Election! 7 days left.

http://why08.com/get-the-timer.php

[L.J]

Is it too late for me to run?

Vote for L.J!!! :wild:

My first act as president will be to commission MJ to make a release and album damnit....


:innocent:

[Bee]

No offense, but Palin is parading her children around. They are suppose to be at school. Almost everytime I see her, she is with her young daugthers and her newborn son. I barely see Obama's daugthers on the campaign trail. They are at school where they need to be. It does look like Palin is parading her children.

I wanted to say that if she wanted people to stop talking about the fact the RNC spent $150,000 on her wardrobe, then she needs to stop bringing it up. For the misguided and laughable Elizabeth Hasselback to say that the media coverage towards the amount of money the RNC paid for Palin's clothing was "sexist" is extremely far feched.

Today, Obama is doing a rally at my alma mater, Widener University! I wish I can go but I have errands to run today. I am just so excited about that! :)

The university is having a live webcast of the rally and if you guys are interested, I am going to post the link:

http://widener.edu/news/webcast_obamavisit_1028/

Read that webpage carefully because it tells you how you guys can watch the live webcast.

[bgz]

Yesterday John McCain was at the high school (arena) I graduated from and just 3 blocks away. I did not go, but watched the local news live broadcast, eventually having to turn it off because it so infuriated me.

There he was quoting Biden's recent comment about challenges that Obama would face shortly after election if he is voted the winner. Of course McCain totally left off the last part of Biden's quote, which is out there for the world to read, and very positive. Then he started in on the taxing the small business owner that Obama will do. Obama specifically has stated the parameters he would like to utilize in taxing business owners, and it's not the small business owners, but the bigger cats, even listing yearly business earnings as a parameter.

These kinds of obviously twisted facts only further drive me away from McCain, and I actually thought he was trying to be above that, but obviously not. His speech writers, and ultimately he himself must have approved what he was to say. Was he even aware of the complete statement that Biden made? And Obama's speeches about taxation of business owners? If not, then don't even attempt to use it for one's benefit.

Ultimately I know both camps use and edit what they want to shed negative light on their opponent; but trying to be completely objective I have to say I see far less of this behavior from Obama and his speechwriters.

Ohio has been known to swing democratic in general, but unfortunately southwestern Ohio where I live is also known to be a hotbed of anti-democrat feelings. It's more than frustrating to drive down any neighborhood street and see sign after sign saying "this family for McCain/Palin". My city/area is predominantly rightwing and fundamentalist, plus add having a major airforce base located here (WrightPatterson AFB), and one finds oneself being clearly in the minority and under scrutiny/suspicion if one makes one positive statement for Obama, or against McCain.

Despite knowing that Obama leads in polls (by differing margins according to when taken and by what poll), the overall feeling one would get if they visited here is that McCain has the election in the bag. I just feel sad and hopeless having to see and listen to what's all around me. Hopefully the state in general still goes democrat and can give the fairly large number of electorates to Obama.

[KOPV]

Palin presents her self as smart and strong.. It's all in imaging. She has no idea what to do, and is a fish thrown in a pool of sharks.

Many people can pull off what she has infront of the nation, but not many people could really take on VP role.. And she's one of them who could not.

[Scorpio]

Is it too late for me to run?

Vote for L.J!!! :wild:

My first act as president will be to commission MJ to make a release and album damnit....


:innocent:

Looks like I'll be changing my vote now :clapping:lol.

[Scorpio]

I was given this by a friend via email.
Full Article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

WASHINGTON – Two white supremacists allegedly plotted to go on a national killing spree, shooting and decapitating black people and ultimately targeting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, federal authorities said Monday.

In all, the two men whom officials describe as neo-Nazi skinheads planned to kill 88 people — 14 by beheading, according to documents unsealed in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The spree, which initially targeted an unidentified predominantly African-American school, was to end with the two men driving toward Obama, "shooting at him from the windows," the court documents show.

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.
__________________________________________________ __________


Again, the amount of ignorance that this country still possess is amazing and its really disgusting. Its people like this that give this country the horrible image that it has.

I know some people that are racists but none of them would ever go to an extreme of killing someone or calling them out or whatever. I guess there are different levels of hate. Theres the "I just dont like them" then the "I hate them" then I guess the "I want them dead".

Again, if you think racism is dead and things are good here, you're mistaken. Hell, we're still told "dont go to the south" because chances are you'll meet someone like this. Now granted I'm mixed but my skin is tan (not exactly white) but I still fear of ever going to some parts of the south. So if you do live there and this doesnt apply to you or your town sorry.

One day, the dream will be a reality. Its just a matter of ....when? :mello:

[Naturelle]

First of all, no one has said that you don't have a right to your opinion. But don't think for one minute that your opinion won't go unchallenged. Second, the 'whole package' is irrelevant in my opinion, for the position of Vice President of the United States. I could care less what she looks like. Actually, I think that Hillary Clinton looks better. So does Senator Mary Kay Hutchinson of Texas and a whole host of other Republican female politicans and they are smart to boot, even though I don't agree with their positions. Governor Palin is wholly unqualified to assume the position of Vice President and no way would I trust her to be President, for the following reasons:

1. She is not knowledgable on economic issues. She is clearly not knowledgable on foreign affairs. AT ALL. We've already have a President who is wholly intellecturally deficient in these areas, which is why we are so screwed up now. We don't need a continuation of the Bush Administration.

2. She has ethics problems. She used her position as Governor to get her ex-brother-in-law terminated from his state job. She's fired others from her staff for questionable reasons. She allowed her husband to to be privved to state business meetings and he is a civilian. Her Alaskan pipeline deal was set up to favor certain businesses -- a violation of procurement guidelines. She used the state's plane to fly her family on unofficial state business and she changed the status of some of that travel as state business when it wasn't. She's a liar and a cheat, and the IRS will visit her soon regarding the 150,000k clothing, and the perdiem she took inappropriately. Just WHY the people of Alaska voted her Governor is a mystery. She is wholly unqualified for that position and her executive experience is laughable.

3. Since we are so concerned about 'associations', lets talk about her husband actually being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, an organization that believes in succession. Gov. Palin taped a welcome message to the AIP just this year. Not smear allegations. These are stone facts.

4. And what about her religious affilations? If she is not ashamed of it, why not explain it? Pentacostal warrior? Outing the 'devil' by zipcode?

No thank you. She can fly herself and her whole family back to Alaska and stay there. It would not bother me in the least to never hear about her again.

Oh and yes, I can explain Senator McCain's positions, but more importantly, since you brought it up, it's on you to defend him. I certainly don't need to and won't.

YOU GO MELLO!!!! I agree with you 20000%

[Naturelle]

If McCain wins I'm going on a trip to the States ASAP. Because I want to see it before it completely goes to his. But if Obama wins I'll have plenty of time to save up and plan my trip because the US might stand a chance of surviving if they get a decent President. But if McCain and Palin get into the White House then god knows what's going to happen to the US.


That's is so true. If he and Palin win, I'm leaving this fu*kINg country period.!!! Pain speeches are all scripted. Should McCain/Pain win, and if McCain becomes ill or dies, she becomes president.

McCain has refused to submit recent medical records and has not done so since 2000. He has had three bouts of melanoma on his face and doctors are concerned with his latest surgery to the temple. It was noted it had metastasized to the lump nodes which is pretty serious if you ask me or anyone else. A stage III. Now why would he with hold that information? OH, so Pain can take over this country? He doesn't care about you or I, he couldn't remember ho many housed he owned, which he thought was 4...duh it happens to be 9 worth over $13 million. I would rather vote for the best person to run the country and has one house not one who has 9 ball arouse the US.
I seriously think he needs to retire and manage his properties ,not America.

http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_note_to_self_to_rememb_8435.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x172794

[lovelymj]

I think people need to stop talking or worrying about Palin's warderobe or McCain's skin condition, but see the bigger picture. Obama wants to raise the taxes of bigger bussinesses and eventually they are going to lower our pay check, because the country has got to make money somehow. McCain on the other side wants to lower taxes for everyone who will save us alot of problems. I personally believe Obama is naive and not fit for president, but I can understand if people think differently. Alot of people here think that Bush is the nation's problem, when that is not true. When Bush became president everything was going great in our economy, and once the democrats started on the senate everything started going downhill. Bush hasn't been a perfect president, but he has done what he had to do to protect this country.

P.S: And yes this is the only thread I am coming to because there aren't any real news about Michael, and this is the only thing that's going on right now! I am not trying to convince anybody here, it's too late for that. I'm just debating and saying how I feel. This is supposed to be a friendly board, but I guess people don't like being challenged.

[mello1]

Is it too late for me to run?

Vote for L.J!!! :wild:

My first act as president will be to commission MJ to make a release and album damnit....


:innocent:

LOL! Sounds like a plan to me!

[mello1]

I think people need to stop talking or worrying about Palin's warderobe or McCain's skin condition, but see the bigger picture. Obama wants to raise the taxes of bigger bussinesses and eventually they are going to lower our pay check, because the country has got to make money somehow. McCain on the other side wants to lower taxes for everyone who will save us alot of problems. I personally believe Obama is naive and not fit for president, but I can understand if people think differently. Alot of people here think that Bush is the nation's problem, when that is not true. When Bush became president everything was going great in our economy, and once the democrats started on the senate everything started going downhill. Bush hasn't been a perfect president, but he has done what he had to do to protect this country.

As Ronald Reagan used to say during the debate with Jimmy Carter -- 'there you go again'. Skipping the facts to serve a narrow focus. I'm NOT worried about Palin's $150,000 wardrobe, but she sure as hell SHOULD BE. It's the IRS that she should be worried about. I pay my fair share of taxes -- I'm not the tax cheat here. So no worries for me at all.

But McCain's health is a legitimate issue. He has had FOUR melanomas removed from his face, with one very extensive operation that some medical experts would classify as a stage III cancer. Also, I believe McCain to suffer from post-tramatic-stress-syndome. He has never had a psychological work-up from being held as a POW. I don't find him mentally or physically fit to serve as President, and with his age, the likihood of him dying in office is higher than any one running in recent memory. His dying would leave Palin to be President and sry, but HELL NO. She makes George Bush look like a mensa candidate. I didn't even think it was possible for anyone to be WORSE than George W.

As for Obama, sorry, but I say HELL YES TO CORPORATION WHORES PAYING TAXES. Because the majority of big business DO NOT PAY TAXES RIGHT NOW. If we can bail out banks (corporate welfare), then they sure as hell can help pay for it. And why do you care about BIG BUSINESS? You got one? And what form of logic do you conclude that making businesses pay their fair share of taxes will somehow lower your paycheck? That doesn't even make sense.

But let me try to explain it to you. Senator Obama's tax plan is for the middle class to get a TAX BREAK. Only those making more than $250,000 will have to pay more. The difference will be made up by taxing corporations (or really making them pay what they ani't paying now). If they create JOBS in the US, they will get tax credits. What that means is that you will have more money in your pocket to SPEND. SPENDING in turn helps to STIMULATE the ECONOMY. STIMULATING the ECONOMY helps to STABILIZE IT. That's how that works, LovelyMJ. Also, MORE people WORKING means a bigger TAX BASE and more SPENDING. SPENDING in turn helps to STIMULATE the ECONOMY. STIMULATING the ECONOMY helps to STABILIZE IT.

With respect to Bush, the statement you made is totally and wholly incorrect. The economy started to tank 9 months into Bush's first year. The Republicans were the majority in both houses of Congress AND had (and still have) the conservative majority on the Supreme Court. That is all 3 branches of government your party controlled. Also, it was doing the first Bush term with the GOP in full control that Fannie May and Freddie Mack were totally deregulated, allowing these PRIVATE corporations to make bad loans with the full backing of the US govt. Also, Alan Greenspan (Fed Reserve Chairman at that time) did not want government to regulate the derivative market and Bush's government didn't.

It is the housing crash and the derivative blow up that has caused the economic nuke meltdown worldwide and that is ALL BUSH'S FAULT. Period.

Lastly, if I were to believe that Obama is all that naive, I still would take his naivete any day over the utter and arrogant incompetence of the Bush Administration and the total incompetence of Sarah Palin being one heartbeat away from the President's chair.

Yeah, you bet'cha. Wink. Wink.


P.S: And yes this is the only thread I am coming to because there aren't any real news about Michael, and this is the only thing that's going on right now! I am not trying to convince anybody here, it's too late for that. I'm just debating and saying how I feel. This is supposed to be a friendly board, but I guess people don't like being challenged.

Oh I LOVE a challenge, but this isn't much of one. I know GOP talking points when I see them and they are so very easy to pick apart. But hey! You wanna vote for the 'you bet'cha, wink, wink' lady and her misogynistic running mate, that's your vote.

[Bob George]

MODERATOR: Senators.... what is your policy on bringing about new Michael Jackson music? You're first Senator Obama....

OBAMA: The lack of new Michael Jackson music is the biggest crisis facing the world today. Without new Michael Jackson music the music industry has become a disaster. I will personally see to it that Michael Jackson releases a new album by the end of my first year as President.

MODERATOR: Senator McCain?....

McCAIN: Well first thing's first. We have to get little Michael out of the Jackson Five so he can start recording solo music.

MODERATOR: umm... Senator McCain. "Little" Michael is 50 years old. He's been making solo music for 37 years.

McCAIN: Really?.... has he still got that cute little afro?

MODERATOR: umm.... no. Moving along....

[TillitsGone]

LOL :lmao: And he prob still thinks Janet is Penny from Good Times...

"*GASP* Penny? :blink: ... you got boobs?"

[L.J]

:rofl: ahahahaha

[Bob George]

This is CRAZY!!!

Remember I told you a few pages back that some people in West Virginia were complaining that when they used the voting machines to cast their early votes, they pressed the button for Obama but McCain's name came up? Well here's a video of a guy demonstrating a voting machine in Jackson County that is out of calibration.

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So when the machine was out of calibration, he pressed Obama's button but the machine put a tick next to Chuck Baldwin's name. When he pressed the button for Democratic, the machine put a tick next to John McCain's name. Even after he calibrated the machine, he tried voting for John McCain but the machine put a tick next to Ralph Nader's name. This is after he calibrated the machine. I can't believe these machines are actually in use. That's crazy.

[L.J]

That's insane!

I'd kick up the biggest stink if I pressed one option and it ticked another option on me.... I'd burst out of the booth "Oh you have got to be SHITTING me!! these things don't work properly!! I sit through this long assed campaigning and boring debates and then I come here to vote and you give me dodgy machines!!!!


:lol:

I can't remember but do we have any issues with our voting system over here?

[Bob George]

I can't remember but do we have any issues with our voting system over here?
I don't think so. We're I live we use paper ballots.

[arXter]

This is supposed to be a friendly board, but I guess people don't like being challenged.
i don't know what being friendly has to do with challenges,, but you should try replying back with constructive and relevantly direct answers to well thought-out posts before you go saying that. maybe then you'd understand why some people are treating you as a troll.

here's what you <strike>missed</strike> dodged:




First of all, no one has said that you don't have a right to your opinion. But don't think for one minute that your opinion won't go unchallenged. Second, the 'whole package' is irrelevant in my opinion, for the position of Vice President of the United States. I could care less what she looks like. Actually, I think that Hillary Clinton looks better. So does Senator Mary Kay Hutchinson of Texas and a whole host of other Republican female politicans and they are smart to boot, even though I don't agree with their positions. Governor Palin is wholly unqualified to assume the position of Vice President and no way would I trust her to be President, for the following reasons:

1. She is not knowledgable on economic issues. She is clearly not knowledgable on foreign affairs. AT ALL. We've already have a President who is wholly intellecturally deficient in these areas, which is why we are so screwed up now. We don't need a continuation of the Bush Administration.

2. She has ethics problems. She used her position as Governor to get her ex-brother-in-law terminated from his state job. She's fired others from her staff for questionable reasons. She allowed her husband to to be privved to state business meetings and he is a civilian. Her Alaskan pipeline deal was set up to favor certain businesses -- a violation of procurement guidelines. She used the state's plane to fly her family on unofficial state business and she changed the status of some of that travel as state business when it wasn't. She's a liar and a cheat, and the IRS will visit her soon regarding the 150,000k clothing, and the perdiem she took inappropriately. Just WHY the people of Alaska voted her Governor is a mystery. She is wholly unqualified for that position and her executive experience is laughable.

3. Since we are so concerned about 'associations', lets talk about her husband actually being a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, an organization that believes in succession. Gov. Palin taped a welcome message to the AIP just this year. Not smear allegations. These are stone facts.

4. And what about her religious affilations? If she is not ashamed of it, why not explain it? Pentacostal warrior? Outing the 'devil' by zipcode?

No thank you. She can fly herself and her whole family back to Alaska and stay there. It would not bother me in the least to never hear about her again.

Oh and yes, I can explain Senator McCain's positions, but more importantly, since you brought it up, it's on you to defend him. I certainly don't need to and won't.


lovelymj it is remarkable that all posts you've ever done on this whole mjjcommunity are in this very thread to find.

Not saying you're not entitled to your opinion. But I'm wondering if that is what republicans find already necessary lol to come on boards like mjjcommunity and be 'sweet' and 'naive' all they can.
As a republican supporter who you seem to be I'd like to hear about your stand that Mr. Bush as a republican politician (and he wasn't working alone there, was he... and he wasn't really critizised neither by Palin nor by McCain) I'd like to ask you lovelymj who you think is reponsible for the biggest crises the US (and not only its economy) is in since decades.
Is someone responsible for this? Does someone take responsibility for this? What do you think?

I'd also like to know your standpoint on sexual education in the US knowing Mrs. Palins statement and that her wonderful daughter is pregnant?

Oh and if you answer all this please don't start with 'In Alaska...' (it would just give me laugh flash as a world citizen ;) ).

Then again I'd also like to know your standpoint on that Mrs. Palin needs to give more money to her stylist (clothes, cosmetics etc.) than even McCain is paying his political advisors? beauty queen uh? seems she needs some expensive help with her beauty or with her self confidence issues?

I'm just interested...



lol I'm just interested.


She is intelligent and strong, and yes I read your statements, and frankly you don't convince me!
well if facts don't convince you,,,

[L.J]

I don't think so. We're I live we use paper ballots.

yeah same down here in Melb, maybe the most simplest method is the best :lol:

[Roxanne]

to lighten up the mood here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N_VAdYOgU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE

[mariemarie]

I have nothing more to add to this thread that hasn't already been said, so Obama is the right vote this year!!!

[~* White Chocolate *~]

yeah same down here in Melb, maybe the most simplest method is the best :lol:

Part of the problem is that in the US it's a state by state issue in regards to ballots. Some places they have electronic machines, other places use to have ballots with chads, like um Florida did....um, yeah...and others like where I live they have paper ballots. In my opinion there should be a nation wide ballot or a single way of voting, and I personally think electronic machines should be kept OUT of the voting system. I've never understood WHY we have so many damn ways of voting. I mean HELLO! Something weird and not-so-good, in other words VERY BAD was **cough**2000 election**coughcough** is bound to happen.

All I know is the INSANITY needs to end NOW. And if the damn McCain people think about stealing this election like old W. did in 2000, I swear THERE WILL be rioting and god knows what else.

I just hope that Obama wins, and with no crazy shit and we can just go on and hopefully start "rebuilding" after the last disasterous eight years.

Peace out!

[Love.him]

Last night I saw a mention on CNN about how some volunteers around the US are videoing the voting process from now as a way of trying to make sure the person actually elected gets recognized. People can upload such videos on the CNN Web site. I'm not sure if it's part of the iReport section or another especially for the election.

[KOPV]

JUST VOTED....


OBAMA!!!! :)



I recomend everyone to early vote, because it's going to be crazy on November 4th..

[Scorpio]

If you didn't know, tonight is the night they are going to air that 30 minute Obama commercial. Its going to be on at 8:00 est. on NBC and CBS. ABC claims they couldn't come to an agreement in time...mhm. It doesn't appear as though networks like CNN will be showing it.

I'm sure it won't tell us anything we haven't already heard for months but It should be interesting.

[Naturelle]

to lighten up the mood here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N_VAdYOgU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE

That is funny but what happent o Biden?

[Naturelle]

I think that you should know about the things that I listed that are facts about Governor Palin and not the nonsensical innuendo and half-told statements that you are spewing. I listed 4 solid reasons why Pain is a problem, yet did you read them?

Because if you did, you would not let the words strong and intelligent come out of your thoughts about this woman.

And in case you haven't noticed, we have been blown away by 'terrorists' already based on the flawed strategy of not talking to foreign governments as the Geneva Convention prescribes.


Mello, , Bob George, and LJ. I love how you write so well. It's obvious you are all well read. :) If I have left out anyone else, out, forgive me. I always see Mello's post and she knows her Sh!t!. Period.

Obama/Biden '08 "SNAP!

[KOPV]

this might have been posted all ready but check it out..

While McCain recently has been stating how bad the past 8 years has been under the Bush Administration.. See for yourself how he's helped bush in the past 8 years..

43 sec. and on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHAJYgeKalA

[arXter]

i'm gobsmacked at how anti-Arab prejudice is running freely in the republican party.

one of Obama's friends is a Palestinian scholar, they once had dinner together and apparently they (rightfully) criticised Israel's terror strategies - and god forbid any American has a bad opinion on "their strongest ally".

McCain and Palin have dug this story up from the archives and are running with it, falsely connecting this Palestinian professor to terrorist organisations. how can these people become in charge and then go try sort out the Middle-East, or any foreign issues??

ignorant muppets.





Palin accuses Obama of ties to second 'radical professor'

(CNN) -- Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday said Sen. Barack Obama has ties to a Columbia University professor who she said is "a former spokesperson for the Palestinian Liberation Organization."

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/29/campaign.wrap/art.palin2.ap.jpg

The Obama campaign said on its Web site that "ugly insinuations about Barack Obama's relationship with a former neighbor and university colleague ... are completely false." The professor has denied he was a spokesman for the Palestine Liberation Organization, which the U.S. and Israel consider a terrorist organization.

Palin said her assertion "is not negative campaigning to call someone out on their record."
"It seems that there is yet another radical professor from the neighborhood who spent a lot of time with Barack Obama going back several years," Palin said at an event in Bowling Green, Ohio.

"This is important because his associate, Rashid Khalidi ... in addition to being a political ally of Barack Obama, he's a former spokesperson for the Palestinian Liberation Organization."

Sen. John McCain's campaign repeatedly has sought to tie Obama to former 1960s radical William Ayers, who co-founded the Weather Underground. Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois.
Khalidi is a leading scholar of Middle Eastern studies at Columbia, and he was a contemporary of Obama's while on the faculty of the University of Chicago. Read: Palin blasts Obama for ties to Palestinian professor (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/29/palin-blasts-obama-for-ties-to-palestinian-professor/)

Khalidi has been a harsh critic of U.S. foreign policy toward Israel and has accused the country of "occupying" Palestinian territories. But he has denied acting as a PLO spokesman during a seven-year period in the 1970s and 1980s.


The Obama campaign called Palin's remarks "another recycled, manufactured controversy from the McCain campaign to distract voters' attention from John McCain's lockstep support for George Bush's economic policies."

In April, the Los Angeles Times published an article about a going-away dinner for Khalidi that Obama attended in Chicago, Illinois, in 2003.Khalidi was leaving to become a professor at Columbia.

The paper reported that a young Palestinian-American woman recited a poem at the farewell party that accused the Israeli government of terrorism for its treatment of Palestinians and was highly critical of U.S. support of Israel.

The McCain (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.mccain.html) campaign accused the Los Angeles paper of "intentionally suppressing" a videotape it obtained from that dinner and demanded that it release the footage. Read: McCain pushes Obama connection to Khalidi (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/29/mccain-pushes-obama-connection-to-khalidi/)

The Times said it won't release the footage because a reporter promised a source that the video would not be made public.

Khalidi said Wednesday, "I am not speaking to the media at this time, and certainly not until this idiot wind passes."
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[browneyedgirl]

tonight is the night they are going to air that 30 minute Obama commercial.
Smart move. With Obama raising double (if not more) money than McCain, it's exactly what he needs to do for the toss-up states. If you can afford it, then why not.

It should be interesting. IMO, what he needs to do is stay away from underlining McCain's character and stick to his policies. Up until now, he's been doing a good job at that. Like you said, it's not going to be anything we don't know.

[djbad]

lovelymj (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/member.php?u=12322) just doesn't want to come here with the username that they use all the time on here because they're embarrassed and is in the minority here. Show your real self. And mods, it wouldn't be to hard to figure out who their real alias is. lol

[TillitsGone]

Well the infomercial was nice, like yall said, nothing we dont know. I got'cho back on tuesday Obama!

[wendy2004]

^^ Yes, the Obamamercial was really nice. I got home just in time to catch it. Big finish at the end as well. Loved it!

I VOTED today, too!!!! 'Bama Baby! :punk:

2 hour wait and as much as I loathe lines, I didn't mind. If I could vote again, I surely would. :D

[TillitsGone]

I feel real sorry for the Mccain campaign now... they are trying sooooo HARD... with the Obama campaign GOING soooo hard! :lol:

[The Dancin Machine]

the Informercial was touching, and you could definitely relate to it. These were people who represent the majority of Middle-Class Americans. Senator Obama is so inspirational to so many people. I just pray he is elected!

[Scorpio]

Great commercial. Obama continues to focus on what he will do as president, he continues to focus on what he plans to change and thats what the people want to hear. Not once did you hear anything negative about McCain...hell, you didnt hear his name at all. Smart campaigning on their part.

To get that little extra national attention just before Election day was an engenious move. I guess all I can look too now is standing in line for 4 hours on Tuesday lol.

[mello1]

Part of the problem is that in the US it's a state by state issue in regards to ballots. Some places they have electronic machines, other places use to have ballots with chads, like um Florida did....um, yeah...and others like where I live they have paper ballots. In my opinion there should be a nation wide ballot or a single way of voting, and I personally think electronic machines should be kept OUT of the voting system. I've never understood WHY we have so many damn ways of voting. I mean HELLO! Something weird and not-so-good, in other words VERY BAD was **cough**2000 election**coughcough** is bound to happen.

All I know is the INSANITY needs to end NOW. And if the damn McCain people think about stealing this election like old W. did in 2000, I swear THERE WILL be rioting and god knows what else.

I just hope that Obama wins, and with no crazy shit and we can just go on and hopefully start "rebuilding" after the last disasterous eight years.

Peace out!

It's a states rights issue. I'm not sure if the federal government can mandate a single method. The so called 'voters act' or whatever the hell it was has only served to disinfrance voters more.

In Georgia (US, that is), people stood in line for 8 hours yesterday because it took so long to verify voter IDs. Florida - 8 hours. My dad is in Georgia and he has tried twice to vote. He can't stand up too long.

I'mma have to have my sister stand in line for him so he can vote. Ugh. It sucks, but there is one party who HATES for the masses to vote here, so they do what they can to make it as hard as possible...

...But people don't care. Many said that they don't care how long it takes, they are voting.

[mello1]

If you didn't know, tonight is the night they are going to air that 30 minute Obama commercial. Its going to be on at 8:00 est. on NBC and CBS. ABC claims they couldn't come to an agreement in time...mhm. It doesn't appear as though networks like CNN will be showing it.

I'm sure it won't tell us anything we haven't already heard for months but It should be interesting.

ABC waited too late because it was trying to decide whether it wanted to stick with their original programming schedule. When they finally decided to agree, the deal was off the table.

CNN turned it down. Fox Cable News was not approached...

[mello1]

Mello, , Bob George, and LJ. I love how you write so well. It's obvious you are all well read. :) If I have left out anyone else, out, forgive me. I always see Mello's post and she knows her Sh!t!. Period.

Obama/Biden '08 "SNAP!

LOL. Thanks. When I'm not here, I'm on the political boards and I READ. Something that some folk don't do. You can't just let people feed you talking points. They gotta make some sense....:yes:

[TillitsGone]

FOX News could care less about Obama anyway. 'Specially that Hannity :glare:

EDIT: Yo. Obama/Bill Cilnton at Flordia.

[lovelymj]

lovelymj (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/member.php?u=12322) just doesn't want to come here with the username that they use all the time on here because they're embarrassed and is in the minority here. Show your real self. And mods, it wouldn't be to hard to figure out who their real alias is. lolWTF?? Why is it so hard to believe or accept that everybody has their own mind and thoughts? I mean really...

[TialovesMJ]

Woooo I can't wait to vote. Go Obama!!!

[~* White Chocolate *~]

It's a states rights issue. I'm not sure if the federal government can mandate a single method. The so called 'voters act' or whatever the hell it was has only served to disinfrance voters more.

In Georgia (US, that is), people stood in line for 8 hours yesterday because it took so long to verify voter IDs. Florida - 8 hours. My dad is in Georgia and he has tried twice to vote. He can't stand up too long.

I'mma have to have my sister stand in line for him so he can vote. Ugh. It sucks, but there is one party who HATES for the masses to vote here, so they do what they can to make it as hard as possible...

...But people don't care. Many said that they don't care how long it takes, they are voting.

I know that it's a states rights issue, but I seriously think it's stupid. I just feel having a national ballot would eliminate a LOT of issues in the voting process, not all, but a lot. I mean really, voting should NOT be as difficult as it is in some states. Especially not when it's supposedly the single most important thing a US citizen can do.

Sorry to hear about your father, hopefully three times a charm and he'll be able to cast his vote asap. And don't even GET me started on that other party. Ugh. And it seems that that other party are getting REALLY nervous because of peoples resolve to have their vote count this time. They're scared...and I think it's a beautiful thing. LOL.

And 8 hours? That's bloody rediculous! I mean honestly 8 hours?!?! Somethings just defy logic...**shakes head**

No matter what people need to VOTE. This is perhaps the most important election of our generation and we NEED to get it right! So people need to get up, get out, and VOTE!

My mother and I will be at the polling place here where I live at 4 am, polls open at 6am. I'm gonna buy some cheese danish and my mother's going to get/make some coffee. I am going to cast my vote before I have to go to work, and I will proudly wear my "I voted" sticker at work and if anyone asks, I will proudly say, "I voted for Obama and Biden."

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!

[TillitsGone]

Why is it that when Mccain does these interviews (not all but some), like for example, with Larry King today, he seems to have this cocky-ass attitude? Like he's just soo sure about himself. When King asked him if there was a war going on, and he's in a helicopter hovering around the US (to where the war would go on hypothetically), he so sure Mrs. Palin will be able to handle the situation? I mean it's just... yeah... sorry for the rant.

[TialovesMJ]

Why is it that when Mccain does these interviews (not all but some), like for example, with Larry King today, he seems to have this cocky-ass attitude? Like he's just soo sure about himself. When King asked him if there was a war going on, and he's in a helicopter hovering around the US (to where the war would go on hypothetically), he so sure Mrs. Palin will be able to handle the situation? I mean it's just... yeah... sorry for the rant.

Its ok..and yes, I agree with you.

[mello1]

Why is it that when Mccain does these interviews (not all but some), like for example, with Larry King today, he seems to have this cocky-ass attitude? Like he's just soo sure about himself. When King asked him if there was a war going on, and he's in a helicopter hovering around the US (to where the war would go on hypothetically), he so sure Mrs. Palin will be able to handle the situation? I mean it's just... yeah... sorry for the rant.

I was too busy watching the former and future Presidents kick ass in Florida...:yes:

[~* White Chocolate *~]

Why is it that when Mccain does these interviews (not all but some), like for example, with Larry King today, he seems to have this cocky-ass attitude? Like he's just soo sure about himself. When King asked him if there was a war going on, and he's in a helicopter hovering around the US (to where the war would go on hypothetically), he so sure Mrs. Palin will be able to handle the situation? I mean it's just... yeah... sorry for the rant.

McCain's a jackass. For him and Mrs. Palin to say Obama's the elitist is just mystifying. It's laughable. Right, so um how many homes does Obama have? 1. How many does McCain have? Like 7 or more...McCain doesn't even know so who knows? How many cars does Obama have? 1. How many does McCain have? 13. Who refused to make eye contact or even acknowledge his opponent in debate or even refuse to shake said Opponent's hand? McCain. And don't even get me started on Palin. McCain and Mrs. Palin are full of it and are cocky (for WHATEVER messed up reason) and both come across as Jackasses. If you're educated and well rounded then you're supposedly an elitist. And that's what gets me with this whole issue, it's become common place for them to say that if you're articulate, intelligent, and well rounded it's this bad thing and anyone who has these attributes think that they're better then everyone else and who look down on the "common man". I remember when being educated was something people strived to become. I guess having a president who basically recites lines from his favourite westerns, who thinks EVERYTHING is a joke, who pulls words that aren't even words out of his ass, and who couldn't articulate a coherent sentence to save his life has kind of "changed things". Who the hell votes for a guy they could have a beer with??? UGH! McCain and Palin are hopeless and are pulling out everything and anything they can in order to stop Obama's lead. It's sad and pathetic and DESPERATE. And I hope to god and all things holy that THAT does not happen. I feel it wont but I wont rest until I see Obama being sworn in.

[Bob George]

I thought the informercial was good. It wasn't some big ego trip like many thought it would be. He didn't really make it so much about himself. It was more about the people he's met a long the way through-out this campaign. It reminded me of Michael Moore's Sicko how he talked to families who were struggling to get health insurance and having to work extra job and cut back just to pay for prescriptions. He made you really feel for those people the same way Michael Moore did in Sicko. And the best thing about the informercial was that he didn't once attack John McCain. It was not one bit negative. I don't think he even mentioned John McCain's name once.

[djbad]

WTF?? I don't know why Mj fans are so fricking paranoid!! Why is it so hard to believe or accept that everybody has their own mind and thoughts? I mean really...


The problem is that you only come to this thread with that screename...like you are hiding your true identity on this fan board. I didn't say anything about not having your own thoughts and beliefs. Just don't hide under a different name.

[Bob George]

Polling update - October 30, 2008

National Polls
Gallup (Registered) Obama +9
Gallup (Expanded) Obama +7
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +5
Rasmussen Obama +5
Diageo/Hotline Obama +6
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +7
GWU/Battleground Obama +3
IBD/TIPP Obama +4
Fox News Obama +3
ABC News/Washington Post Obama +8
CBS News/New York Times Obama +11
AVERAGE Obama +6.2

Electoral College
Obama 353
McCain 174
Tied 11

Toss-up States (0-4 point spread)
Missouri (11) Tied
Indiana (11) McCain +2
North Dakota (3) McCain +2
North Carolina (15) Obama +2
Montana (3) McCain +3
Florida (27) Obama +3
Georgia (15) McCain +4

Leaning States (5-9 point spread)
Arizona (10) McCain +6
Ohio (20) Obama +6
Nevada (5) Obama +7
Colorado (9) Obama +7
Virginia (13) Obama +7
West Virginia (5) McCain +8
New Mexico (5) Obama +9
Mississippi (6) McCain +9

Solid States (10-14 point spread)
South Dakota (3) McCain +10
Wisconsin (10) Obama +10
South Carolina ( 8 ) McCain +11
Pennsylvania (21) Obama +11
Arkansas (6) McCain +11
Iowa (7) Obama +11
Texas (34) McCain +12
Michigan (17) Obama +12
New Hampshire (4) Obama +13
Kentucky ( 8 ) McCain +13
Tennessee (11) McCain +14
Minnesota (10) Obama +14
Oregon (7) Obama +14

Safe States (15+ point spread)
Kansas (6) McCain +15
Louisiana (9) McCain +15
Alaska (3) McCain +15
Maine (4) Obama +16
Maryland (10) Obama +16
Washington (11) Obama +17
New Jersey (15) Obama +19
Nebraska (5) McCain +19
Connecticut (7) Obama +20
Massachusetts (12) Obama +21
Alabama (9) McCain +22
Wyoming (3) McCain +22
Rhode Island (4) Obama +22
Vermont (3) Obama +23
Delaware (3) Obama +23
Illinois (21) Obama +25
California (55) Obama +26
Utah (5) McCain +30
Oklahoma (7) McCain +32
New York (31) Obama +32
Idaho (4) McCain +34
Hawaii (4) Obama +41
District of Columbia (3) Obama +69

[mariemarie]

I was too busy watching the former and future Presidents kick ass in Florida...:yes:

:kickass2:

[SIDEWALK]

I have 3 questions, would be lovely if you could answer them for me :)

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?

thank you american people!

[Bob George]

I have 3 questions, would be lovely if you could answer them for me :)

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?

thank you american people!

1. Obama

2. I can't answer that

3. It should be either the night of November 4 or the morning after. Let me tell you how 2004 went down. The race was close and as the election results came in there wasn't a clear winner until Florida was called for Bush at 12:30am (just after midnight) and then Ohio was called for Bush at 1am. That got him up to 269 electoral votes, just 1 short of the 270 needed to win the election. So it was pretty much assumed Bush would win because he only needed one more state. But he didn't accumulate 270 electoral votes until 11:30am the next morning when Nevada was called for Bush. So use that as a guide.

[SIDEWALK]

1. Obama

2. I can't answer that

3. It should be either the night of November 4 or the morning after. Let me tell you how 2004 went down. The race was close and as the election results came in there wasn't a clear winner until Florida was called for Bush at 12:30am (just after midnight) and then Ohio was called for Bush at 1am. That got him up to 269 electoral votes, just 1 short of the 270 needed to win the election. So it was pretty much assumed Bush would win because he only needed one more state. But he didn't accumulate 270 electoral votes until 11:30am the next morning when Nevada was called for Bush. So use that as a guide.

Thank you for taking the time to do that :)

heres a cool video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cGvqs-jf_w

[KOPV]

^ On the news and in public Obama does have a stronger public fallowing, but not too far ahead.. Meaning he still needs to work his butt off getting more people to be safe..

Still close, but Obama is leading.

McCain himself said that he was the underdog.. If that means anything to you..

[Bob George]

^ On the news and in public Obama does have a stronger public fallowing, but not too far ahead.. Meaning he still needs to work his butt off getting more people to be safe..

Still close, but Obama is leading.

McCain himself said that he was the underdog.. If that means anything to you..

Your location says your from Arizona. The latest polls from Arizona show that McCain has a 5-6 percentage point lead. Do you think that's accurate? Is it really that close in McCain's home state?

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Is so cool that Barack Obama is still leading :punk: if I were American I'd vote for him dfinately :yes:.
Actually in my college as I'm studing languages (English and French) my professors are gonna organize a mock election, of course I'm gonna vote for Obama. All the school can vote if they wants
Fortunalely all my American professors are democrats and the exchange students too :happy:

[Naturelle]

this might have been posted all ready but check it out..

While McCain recently has been stating how bad the past 8 years has been under the Bush Administration.. See for yourself how he's helped bush in the past 8 years..

43 sec. and on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHAJYgeKalA


LOL hilarious

[mello1]

I have 3 questions, would be lovely if you could answer them for me :)

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?

thank you american people!

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win? OBAMA

2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win? OBAMA largely speaking, but no one is taking anything for granted. People are working to the end. I should add that those supporting McCain/Palin don't think that way... But you wouldn't know that with the way they are throwing each other under the bus already...

3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president? If he pulls the eastern battleground states, the networks will call it early -- perhaps by 9 or 10 EST; maybe earlier....

[mello1]

Your location says your from Arizona. The latest polls from Arizona show that McCain has a 5-6 percentage point lead. Do you think that's accurate? Is it really that close in McCain's home state?

Yes, and it may be even closer. However, I still think that McCain will squeak out his home state.

[Bob George]

Yes, and it may be even closer. However, I still think that McCain will squeak out his home state.

Obama's now running ads in Arizona for the first time in the campaign. He's making a real go of it. It'll be hilarious if McCain loses his home state.

[KOPV]

Yes I'm in arizona and I can tell you that in daily life you run into more Obama supporters than McCain..

That is what I'm saying..

Polls are always bias in some fassion... For example one that ulters the poll percentage is the fact a higher percentage of republicans take part in polls. Now if there is a larger percentage taking part in a poll.. It's not accorate.. YES it gives an overview, but not percise.

Take stickers on car, HERE you would see 4 Obama stickers before seeing 1 McCain.. When I talk to people at work, a larger percentage of people are for Obama..

in DAILY involvement, there is much more support for Obama than McCain.. Do I think Obama can WIN this state?? I don't know since it IS still McCains state..

But I can tell you what I see here in McCains state..

The demographics of republicans and democrats are different.. And the demographic that is a republican are more involved in polls and active in that sence.. But that does not mean democrats are any less passionate.. it's just the ways of going on about it..

Take this for example.. the lower class (not middle class) those who cannot afford enternet to take part in polls.. Or have Cable to call in CNN and talk etc.. MOST are democrats and will vote for Obama..

This election is very different than any other.. Obama has reached and motivated people that never voted before.. Those FIRST TIME VOTERS usually don't take part in polls as much as those who have fallowed politics throughout there whole life.. And we all know the first time voters are leaning towards Obama in a large way..


I'll tell you this.. When I did my early voting.. There were more people voting for Obama than McCain in line with me.. I can strongly say it would not suprize me if Obama wins this state.. But it's not in the bag.

[TialovesMJ]

Obama's now running ads in Arizona for the first time in the campaign. He's making a real go of it. It'll be hilarious if McCain loses his home state.


OMG lol...that really would be hilarious.

[TialovesMJ]

Yes I'm in arizona and I can tell you that in daily life you run into more Obama supporters than McCain..

That is what I'm saying..

Polls are always bias in some fassion... For example one that ulters the poll percentage is the fact a higher percentage of republicans take part in polls. Now if there is a larger percentage taking part in a poll.. It's not accorate.. YES it gives an overview, but not percise.

Take stickers on car, HERE you would see 4 Obama stickers before seeing 1 McCain.. When I talk to people at work, a larger percentage of people are for Obama..

in DAILY involvement, there is much more support for Obama than McCain.. Do I think Obama can WIN this state?? I don't know since it IS still McCains state..

But I can tell you what I see here in McCains state..

The demographics of republicans and democrats are different.. And the demographic that is a republican are more involved in polls and active in that sence.. But that does not mean democrats are any less passionate.. it's just the ways of going on about it..

Take this for example.. the lower class (not middle class) those who cannot afford enternet to take part in polls.. Or have Cable to call in CNN and talk etc.. MOST are democrats and will vote for Obama..

This election is very different than any other.. Obama has reached and motivated people that never voted before.. Those FIRST TIME VOTERS usually don't take part in polls as much as those who have fallowed politics throughout there whole life.. And we all know the first time voters are leaning towards Obama in a large way..


I'll tell you this.. When I did my early voting.. There were more people voting for Obama than McCain in line with me.. I can strongly say it would not suprize me if Obama wins this state.. But it's not in the bag.


Yeah I've also ran into more Obama suppoters here in Az than McCain supporters. I have also seen a lot of Obama/Bidden(sp?) stickers on cars as well.

[elusive moonwalker]

so what do ppl think are the chances of the republicans scamming their way to victory again by stopping votes from being counted etc. nothing would surprise me. read the below article yesterday.very intresting. kinda amazes me about the crap that goes on. yet bush and co have the gaul to call others out on democracy



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Published Date: 30 October 2008
By Richard Heller


<!-- google_ad_section_start --><!-- Article Start -->THE event to fit this sensational headline – "McCain Sneaks Win: Obama Calls Foul" – has not yet occurred. All current evidence suggests that it is extremely unlikely. But after two disputed Presidential elections, in 2000 and 2004, Democrats are still haunted by the fear that a combination of wonky voting machines and partisan local officials could rob them of victory again.
Their nightmare should keep us awake too. A disputed McCain victory would be the worst possible outcome of the American election. It would simultaneously fragment America, paralyse the world economy and heighten the risk of major war.

As I write these lines, everything is set fair for Barack Obama. Polls, issues, money, momentum and luck are all working for him. His campaign is focused relentlessly on his winning issues – the economy and the almost universal longing for change after eight years of George W Bush.

And yet… the election could still go horribly wrong for him. It is commonplace for Presidential races to tighten in the final
days. He needs big leads, especially in battleground states, to overcome the real risk that many Democratic supporters simply will not be counted on election day.

British general elections are contested under uniform voting procedures which make it very easy – some say too easy – for people to register and vote. They are also controlled by non-partisan officials. None
of these things apply in the United States.

There will not be one Presidential election on November 4 – nor even 50. There will be more than 13,000 elections – one in each county or municipality in the 50 states, all subject to local rules and conditions and influenced by elected officials from the major parties.

This makes it very easy for would-be voters to fall foul of some local rule or a partisan ruling – especially if they are poor, or old, or African-American, or Hispanic, or recent migrants, or first-time voters who, generally, are all groups which tend to favour the Democrats.

Some counties and states actively seek out voters, especially poor people, others (often supported by the Bush administration) obstruct volunteer voter registration drives and challenge their results. Some states demand a "perfect match" of voters' names and addresses against Federal records – so that a misplaced comma by a government clerk can rob a voter of his vote. (Ironically, McCain's celebrity working-class supporter, Joe The Plumber, has fallen foul of such a rule).

In other states, partisan officials and even private contractors can simply "purge" voters, without their knowledge, for alleged felonies or breaches of other rules.

On election day itself, some states ask voters to produce
their driving licences or other official ID, which poorer or older voters find more difficult to do. And, as in Ohio in 2004, they may allot fewer polling booths to poorer and African-American districts to force these voters to wait longer. And those who endure the wait may find that they have been allotted the oldest voting machines – most likely to produce a spoiled ballot, which officials reject.

Finally, there is the scandal of the "provisional" ballot – voters challenged when they attempt to vote and forced to accept a special ballot which is not counted until their qualification is confirmed by officials. In 2004, there were at least three million of these – and at least a million were rejected out of hand without review or appeal.

All, and any of these measures, are entirely capable of tipping key states away from Obama to McCain. One expert, Laughlin McDonald, head of the voting rights project of the American Civil Liberties Union, has warned: "There have been more attempts at voter suppression in the lead-up to this election than any I can remember."

Therefore, the headline could still come true. McCain ekes out an electoral-college victory with tiny majorities in states where thousands of Democratic supporters have been disqualified. Lawsuits are launched, but the experience of 2000 suggests that they will be futile and McCain is inaugurated.

This result would be a catastrophe for the United States and the world. Millions of Americans lose faith in the democratic process. McCain faces a hostile Congress with no mandate and no moral authority. There is no consensus on domestic policy, markets panic and the economy falls from crisis into paralysis.

Like other unpopular Presidents before him, McCain plays the patriot card. His egregious Vice-President, Sarah Palin, launches
a cultural war between "loyal, God-loving" (Republican) Americans and "disloyal, godless" Democrats. McCain tries to bolster his ratings by a tough foreign and national security policy. He escalates the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – he may even start a new one in Iran.

Any result would be better than this. We must all hope that the American people produce a decisive result. Either – as present trends suggest – they give Barack Obama a big popular and electoral vote majority, or, if they change their minds in the final week, they do so on such a scale that John McCain wins in his own right, without the help of confusion and manipulation on election day.


Richard Heller has reported American elections since 1988 and is presently in the key battleground state of Virginia.

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[TialovesMJ]

so what do ppl think are the chances of the republicans scamming their way to victory again by stopping votes from being counted etc. nothing would surprise me. read the below article yesterday.very intresting. kinda amazes me about the crap that goes on. yet bush and co have the gaul to call others out on democracy


[/LIST]


mann that would really suck if the repbulicans scam their way to victory.. I wouldnt be shocked though!!!

[~* White Chocolate *~]

Honestly, IF the Republican try that, there WOULD be riots, and I have no doubt about that. That's why I think they wont try something similar to what happened in 2000. McCain isn't stupid, I'm sure he's WELL aware of what would happen. Plus, McCain isn't W. He doesn't have a bunch of his daddy's friends on the supreme court nor is the main chair person of his campaign the head of an state's voting committee or anything of that nature. Don't get me wrong, I feel there will be (and there has been already) some disenfranchisment of voters, but I don't think it'll be enough to cheat Obama from the presidency. If things continue the way they have been, I have no doubt we'll be looking at a President Elect Obama come Wednesday morning. Mark my words.

Now I know ANYTHING could happen between now and Tuesday, but the possibilities of it actually happening is VERY slim. Just my honest opinion. Think positive people! We must keep the faith, as hard as it is, we have too. We're in the final stretch.

[Bob George]

Polling update - October 31, 2008

The reaction from the Obama-mercial settled in today with his numbers going up across the board among national polls. However, there's been no significant change in the battleground state polls yet.

National Polls
Gallup (Registered) Obama +11
Gallup (Expanded) Obama +10
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +10
ABC News/Washington Post Obama +9
Diageo/Hotline Obama +7
Marist Obama +7
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +5
Rasmussen Obama +5
IBD/TIPP Obama +4
GWU/Battleground Obama +4
AVERAGE Obama +7.2

Electoral College
Obama 353
McCain 185

Battleground States
Missouri (11) McCain +1
North Dakota (3) McCain +1
Indiana (11) McCain +2
North Carolina (15) Obama +2
Florida (27) Obama +3
Montana (3) McCain +4
Georgia (15) McCain +4
Arizona (10) McCain +4
Ohio (20) Obama +6
Colorado (9) Obama +7
Virginia (13) Obama +7
Nevada (5) Obama +7
West Virginia (5) McCain +8
New Mexico (5) Obama +9
Pennsylvania (5) Obama +9

[emmah24]

Being a non -American, I sincerely hope that the next American president is one who is worldy-wise and truly understands the global influence that such a role entails. Barack Obama is the guy for the job and outside of America, I think the world ( well within my little world anyway!) expects and needs an Obama win. I'm hopeful that he'll do it, I think he will mobilise more of the electorate to actually get out there and vote. I do think its a tighter race than what polls are predicting though.

Soon all will be revealed.

[TillitsGone]

Oh um.... just came to check and say... 2 days left :wink:

EDIT: And to answer EM's question... then we (me n family) need to go to Maryland QUICK, or Atlanta, cuz uh, I'd love to have some free stuff. (Get the joke?...)

[TillitsGone]

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[Bob George]

Polling update - November 1, 2008

Great day for Obama. His lead in the national polls goes up by a point while McCain's numbers drop in the state polls. Obama also gains some in Florida. To me it looks like the undecided voters are making up their minds and their choice is Obama.

National Polls
Gallup (Registered) Obama +11
Gallup (Expanded) Obama +10
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +10
CBS News Obama +13
ABC News/Washington Post Obama +9
Diageo/Hotline Obama +7
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +5
Rasmussen Obama +5
IBD/TIPP Obama +5
AVERAGE Obama +8.3

Electoral College
Obama 353
McCain 185

Battleground States
Missouri (11) McCain +1
North Dakota (3) McCain +1
Indiana (11) McCain +1
North Carolina (15) Obama +2
Georgia (15) McCain +4
Florida (27) Obama +4
Arizona (10) McCain +4
Montana (3) McCain +4
Ohio (20) Obama +6
Colorado (9) Obama +7
Virginia (13) Obama +7
Nevada (5) Obama +7
West Virginia (5) McCain +8
New Mexico (5) Obama +9
Pennsylvania (5) Obama +9

[FinalEyes]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/fde4fa156c/yes-we-can-cranky-hippy-filmfest-008-from-galaxygarden

[Bob George]

This is hilarious....

McCain reacts to potential Palin Presidency
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[Autumn II]

I have 3 questions, would be lovely if you could answer them for me :)

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?

thank you american people!


1. Obama

2. It's hard to say exactly what the feeling is in America about who is going to win, although Obama leads in the polls. So I'd say that the majority of people think Obama will win. . . . . One interesting thing about the polls is that for the most part, they are calling only those people with land-line phones. Many young people, including college students, only have cell phones and are not being counted. Because of this, the sentiment might be much more for Obama than the polls indicate.

3. Polling places have exit-polls where voters are asked who they voted for (they don't have to answer, of course.) That should give some indication shortly after voting begins, but is not that accurate. The Eastern U.S. polls close first, and that should give a pretty good indication, if there is a landslide, of an Obama victory. Could be as early as nine p.m. EST.


I've been volunteering at the local Obama campaign office (in a "swing state"). The campaign is extremely well-organized with a lot of grass-roots volunteers. . . . especially college students. If the way the campaign has been organized is any indication about how he would run the government, I'm very encouraged.

[L.J]

lmao @ that mcCain "oor or OR" moment :rofl:

[Soso Deaf]

the reps are pulling shady ass tricks....how funny is it that they just announced obama's aunt was living in the states illegally? all this time and it breaks out over the weekend? give me a break

[Superstition]

I think McCain should win, people have been brain washed about Obama! The guy is inexperienced, and when he speaks he sounds like he's not very sure of what he's saying. His ideas also are not very determined, or convincing. And let's not even talk about Biden, aside from the fact that the dude is an idiot, he didn't even want to run with Obama, as he doesn't agree with his ideas. But ofcourse you don't see that in the media.People should open their eyes and see that McCain is a true patriot, he has done so much for the country, and he's very determined. Palin is a also a great role model, especially for women, beautiful and smart. His heart is in it, but Obama's isn't. I believe that Obama just copies Martin Luther King too much, he's only in it for publicity. Jut remeber that McCain is not Bush, he doesn't evn agree with some things that Bush has done. I am not some crazy republican, I don't take any pary's side, but I am just worried that by Obama's selection as president this country will be in big trouble.


i believe this is the kind of rhetoric that will not fool the voting public this time around.

and welcome to the board, always nice to break the ice with politics.

Agreed.

I don't think you'll find too many people disputing that he's a patriot. Many people just don't really care, at least as it pertains to him being president.

[FinalEyes]

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

Obama. McCain has pretty much shot himself in the foot. And when I voted early on Thursday, I saw so many Obama supporters, and not very many McCain supporters.


2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

I can't answer to that, since I can't speak for all Americans, but my general feeling is that Obama is going to win by a landslide.


3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?


Very good question. It really depends, it could take less than a day, or as much as two weeks.

[Superstition]

There have been times when it's been pretty clear who wins the election before the polls even close as the numbers start pouring in. I think this could be one of those times.

McCain systematically destroyed his campaign over the last few weeks, and the starting moment was when he announced Palin as his VP choice. He had a very real shot at the white house and ruined it with a ridiculously negative campaign and a poor running mate.

[Autumn II]

There have been times when it's been pretty clear who wins the election before the polls even close as the numbers start pouring in. I think this could be one of those times.

McCain systematically destroyed his campaign over the last few weeks, and the starting moment was when he announced Palin as his VP choice. He had a very real shot at the white house and ruined it with a ridiculously negative campaign and a poor running mate.

Agree with this.

McCain's systematic destruction of his campaign should tell us something about his decision-making abilities, including potential Cabinet choices, and negativity (foreign policy?), i.e. in the White House? It's far better to discover this deficiency now, rather than later. And about Palin? What WAS he thinking?

peace,

Vic

[TillitsGone]

McCain on SNL

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[SIDEWALK]

McCain on SNL

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A few days left until an election and he's on some comdey programme, it just looks wrong.
it's not the time or the place.

[TillitsGone]

Maybe he just wants some fun... I don't blame him. there's a verry high chance of him losin'. Might as well make some fun while ya can.

[mariemarie]

I don't like her =/

[elusive moonwalker]

dunno if the below has been posted but its a really funny site. you need speakers for it. click on all the different things around the room

http://palinaspresident.us/

[TillitsGone]

"Joe Curtain" Aww stop it.... NOT! :lol:

EDIT: Joe Lightbulb, Maverick, Katie Couric.... OMGLOL

[Naturelle]

mann that would really suck if the republicans scam their way to victory.. I wouldn't be shocked though!!!


Bush did it in 2000 and really 2004 too! I don't think she is fit to be the v-p, nor president. When this all over , she'll be heading back to Alaska to make some more babies.

[TialovesMJ]

Bush did it in 2000 and prolly 2004 too!


He sure did!!!what a shame!

[Naturelle]

This is hilarious....

McCain reacts to potential Palin Presidency
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Hell, her ass should be in prison for animal cruelty, ; bothering mosses that are minding their own business. If she can do as she pleases, Michael Vic should be out too!
What the hell does a Mcpailn need a $150.000. makeover for? They would benefited better by using that money for campaign purposes. Just my opinion.

[Bob George]

Polling update - November 2, 2008

The polls tighten up with Obama losing a ground in the national polls and the state polls. But McCain is also losing ground in states that were once considered safe red states. South Dakota and Arkansas have now entered battleground state territory with the spread between Obama and McCain closing to less than 10 points.

National Polls

CBS News Obama +13
ABC News/Washington Post Obama +11
Gallup (Registered) Obama +11
Gallup (Expanded) Obama +9
Gallup (Traditional) Obama +8
CNN/Opinion Research Obama +7
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +6
Pew Research Obama +6
Diageo/Hotline Obama +5
Rasmussen Obama +5
IBD/TIPP Obama +2
AVERAGE Obama +7.5

Electoral College
Obama 353
McCain 185

Battleground States
Missouri (11) McCain +1
North Dakota (3) McCain +1
North Carolina (15) Obama +1
Indiana (11) McCain +1
Georgia (15) McCain +4
Florida (27) Obama +4
Arizona (10) McCain +4
Montana (3) McCain +4
Ohio (20) Obama +5
Virginia (13) Obama +5
Colorado (9) Obama +6
Nevada (5) Obama +6
New Mexico (5) Obama +8
Pennsylvania (5) Obama +8
West Virginia (5) McCain +8
South Dakota (5) McCain +9
Arkansas (5) McCain +9

[KOPV]

Does anyone know where I can get direct updates on election day to my cell phone.. I'll be working and I want to keep tabs on each state as it happens and is counted..

[eternitys_child]

I just want to share this because it moved me. There is a lot of truth in it.


The Christian Science Monitor


My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.
By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition


Charlotte, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

[L.J]

^ oh wow

thanks for sharing! :flowers:

[cass]

I'm flying from Newark, NJ to Shannon, Ireland on Nov. 4th My flight leaves at 7.25pm and I arrive in Ireland at 1.45am (Us time) OMG. I will be dying to know if Obama won!!

[Screamin]

Im watching the obama speech right now, i cant wait for obama to win on tuesday :)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ I hope he wins!!

[mariemarie]

^^ I hope he wins!!

He will :yes:

[Jabz]

I'm scared of an assassination attempt.

[TillitsGone]

Don't be, Jabz. I don't think people are going for that.

Oh and I just wanted to note: I was listening to the steve harvey morning show, and he made a point that I couldn't help but agree with. IF, in the event, Obama happens to win, make sure that when you celebrate, you do it with the same dignity as Obama has. Because, while there are those that will be elated, there re those that will be disappointed. Just like your joy will elate you, somebody else will be taken over with hate. and that can lead to some, well.... problems.

[BPYTD]

I've paid more attention to this election than any in my own country. lol I hope Obama wins and I think he will

[Bee]

1. In your opinion, who do you feel will win?

Obama.


2. What is the feeling in america as a whole on who's going to win?

I do not go by the media's polls or what the media says. I go by what I have seen and I think it depends on what states support Obama or McCain. I hope that America would feel that Obama is going to win.


3.On voting day next week, how long does it take to find who will be president?

Well, voting day is tommorrow for people in America who have not got a chance to vote yet. It can take as long as all night or well through the morning. My hope is it is done by 12 midnight PST but you never truly know. I just hope that these laughable and desperate Republican people do not try to do any kind of tricks to make sure that Obama does not become president. This country is suffering and McCain and his cohorts clearly do not see how bad it is. We need a president that gives a damn about the future of all of us. Obama is that president. I cannot wait to go with my sisters and hopefully my brother, and vote tommorrow morning. I want to see a long line of people that are voting, period. I want to come online and watch the results and I want to hear that Obama/Biden won the election!!


thank you american people!

You are very welcome. I see a lot of young people who are Americans on this board that I feel haven't made the effort to read this thread and make it aware that they will vote November 4th. I really hope I see plenty of these young people on this thread stating that they vote. This is about their futures as well. I would like to see American posters on this board who are 18-29 on this thread tommorrow stating that they voted. Now, I am not the kind of person to tell people what to do. But I think this is a must for the young people to take this opportunity in their lives and make their vote count. You do not have to be into politics to vote.

[TialovesMJ]

I'm scared of an assassination attempt.

me too!!!People are very cruel in this world...

[Autumn II]

Don't be, Jabz. I don't think people are going for that.

Oh and I just wanted to note: I was listening to the steve harvey morning show, and he made a point that I couldn't help but agree with. IF, in the event, Obama happens to win, make sure that when you celebrate, you do it with the same dignity as Obama has. Because, while there are those that will be elated, there re those that will be disappointed. Just like your joy will elate you, somebody else will be taken over with hate. and that can lead to some, well.... problems.

Excellent post, and thanks. This is very important. Obama has shown great dignity and self-control, as well as courage. There is passion behind this election that I've not seen in all my years of voting. Whatever happens, we should be calm and non-violent.

If the election is "stolen" (as it was in the last two presidential elections, in my opinion), we STILL should remain calm. I'm sure Obama has prepared for this and will fight through the courts and not quit. He knows there is too much at stake, and that many people are counting on him. I think his lead is sufficient, but even so, it's a concern. There already have been efforts to disenfranchise some American voters, that I know of.

Personally, I'm expecting very long lines at the polls tomorrow. I will bring a sandwich, some bottled water, and I'll be patient. My vote WILL be cast.

peace,

Victoria

[TialovesMJ]

Obama.







Well, voting day is tommorrow for people in America who have no got a chance to vote yet. It can take as long as all night or well through the morning. My hope is it is done by 12 midnight PST but you never truly know. I just hope that these laughable and desperate Republican people do not try to any kind of tricks to make sure that obama does not become president. This country is suffering and McCain and his cohorts clearly do not see how bad it is. We need a president that gives a damn about the future of all of us. Obama is that president. I cannot wait to go with my sisters and hopefully my brother, and vote tommorrow morning. I want to see a long line of people that are voting, period. I want to come online and watch the results and I want to hear that Obama/Biden won the election!!






I agree..I wouldnt be shocked though if these Republicans try to pull a trick so Obama doesnt win.Im sick of it too. Hopefully they dont pull a president Bush( stealing the election) on us and McCain wins..ugh!

[The One.]

I just read and article which included 17 countries and their people had been asked who they would like to become America's next president.
In all 16 countries Barack Obama got more than 50% of the votes but in America 'only' 36% (and John McCain 38% while in other countries he got 26% at max)

Why there is so many people in the US who doesn't see that Obama is better choice?

[TialovesMJ]

^^ man that sucks, thats just ridiculous!! I have no idea why some people here think Obama isnt a better choice either?? Obama should be given a chance. Thats why I hope he wins this election.

[Roxanne]

imo obama is by far a better choice than mccain. mccain cant really see the reality in the US and the rest of the world today. hes very narrow minded and has a false picture of whats going on in the world. he comes off as stubborn and as someone who cant change his mind about anything no matter if the entire planet is falling apart. how about someone whos more open for discussion and is willing to carefully examine all the solutions to a problem before he chooses the best one instead of being stuck to a specific solution all along and not giving the others a chance to be even considered ?

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Exactly..

[Love.him]

I'm almost finished with reading the Audacity of Hope by Obama, and basically this article echoes what Obama says/is about.


I just want to share this because it moved me. There is a lot of truth in it.


The Christian Science Monitor


My wife made me canvas for Obama; here's what I learned
This election is not about major policies. It's about hope.
By Jonathan Curley
from the November 3, 2008 edition


Charlotte, N.C. - There has been a lot of speculation that Barack Obama might win the election due to his better "ground game" and superior campaign organization.

I had the chance to view that organization up close this month when I canvassed for him. I'm not sure I learned much about his chances, but I learned a lot about myself and about this election.

Let me make it clear: I'm pretty conservative. I grew up in the suburbs. I voted for George H.W. Bush twice, and his son once. I was disappointed when Bill Clinton won, and disappointed he couldn't run again.

I encouraged my son to join the military. I was proud of him in Afghanistan, and happy when he came home, and angry when he was recalled because of the invasion of Iraq. I'm white, 55, I live in the South and I'm definitely going to get a bigger tax bill if Obama wins.

I am the dreaded swing voter.

So you can imagine my surprise when my wife suggested we spend a Saturday morning canvassing for Obama. I have never canvassed for any candidate. But I did, of course, what most middle-aged married men do: what I was told.

At the Obama headquarters, we stood in a group to receive our instructions. I wasn't the oldest, but close, and the youngest was maybe in high school. I watched a campaign organizer match up a young black man who looked to be college age with a white guy about my age to canvas together. It should not have been a big thing, but the beauty of the image did not escape me.

Instead of walking the tree-lined streets near our home, my wife and I were instructed to canvass a housing project. A middle-aged white couple with clipboards could not look more out of place in this predominantly black neighborhood.

We knocked on doors and voices from behind carefully locked doors shouted, "Who is it?"

"We're from the Obama campaign," we'd answer. And just like that doors opened and folks with wide smiles came out on the porch to talk.

Grandmothers kept one hand on their grandchildren and made sure they had all the information they needed for their son or daughter to vote for the first time.

Young people came to the door rubbing sleep from their eyes to find out where they could vote early, to make sure their vote got counted.

We knocked on every door we could find and checked off every name on our list. We did our job, but Obama may not have been the one who got the most out of the day's work.

I learned in just those three hours that this election is not about what we think of as the "big things."

It's not about taxes. I'm pretty sure mine are going to go up no matter who is elected.

It's not about foreign policy. I think we'll figure out a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan no matter which party controls the White House, mostly because the people who live there don't want us there anymore.

I don't see either of the candidates as having all the answers.

I've learned that this election is about the heart of America. It's about the young people who are losing hope and the old people who have been forgotten. It's about those who have worked all their lives and never fully realized the promise of America, but see that promise for their grandchildren in Barack Obama. The poor see a chance, when they often have few. I saw hope in the eyes and faces in those doorways.

My wife and I went out last weekend to knock on more doors. But this time, not because it was her idea. I don't know what it's going to do for the Obama campaign, but it's doing a lot for me.

Jonathan Curley is a banker. He voted for George H.W. Bush twice and George W. Bush once.

[MichaelJManson]

So will the next president start the job right away or do they have to wait a few days?

[MJsPYT1]

I just read and article which included 17 countries and their people had been asked who they would like to become America's next president.
In all 16 countries Barack Obama got more than 50% of the votes but in America 'only' 36% (and John McCain 38% while in other countries he got 26% at max)

Why there is so many people in the US who doesn't see that Obama is better choice?

in all honesty- I think it is still the race factor :no:


anyway:


I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!:punk::clapping:

If Obama doesn't win.......I don't even know what to say..

And that darn Electoral College......they better get it right this time! I mean- come on! It's their fault that we got Bush!!!!!

I STILL don't get how the electoral college can vote different from the popular vote, and get their way!!!!!!! HELLO?!?!?! where's the democracy??????? :angry:

[MJsPYT1]

So will the next president start the job right away or do they have to wait a few days?


ummm, George Bush's presidency is over at noon on Jan, 20th in '09
....I think

[browneyedgirl]

ummm, George Bush's presidency is over at noon on Jan, 20th in '09
....I think
That's correct.

---

I know a lot of people who are going to flip if either of them win. The outrage would be greater if Obama were to lose b/c of the fact that it's obvious Obama's been leading by a landslide. We're going to find out soon, lol.

EDIT: Btw, I went to an Obama rally yesterday. :wild: That man is full of charisma... he's something else.

[mariemarie]

I don't know if this is posted already, but 85 % of the people in Europe prefers Obama over Mccain.

Europe and the United States are so different, but at he same time we have an agreement on how the world should be.

[SIDEWALK]

I don't know if this is posted already, but 85 % of the people in Europe prefers Obama over Mccain.

Europe and the United States are so different, but at he same time we have an agreement on how the world should be.

eveyone i know who cares about the US election wants Obama here in england, I pray he wins!! lol

[MJs_SpecialFan]

I hope that obama wiinnns too.


Who is the jackson family votting for??

Who is michael votting for?? :) :p

[Jabz]

Who cares? Obama FTW!

[eXceLOfFam1]

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[snorlaaax]

I don't know if this is posted already, but 85 % of the people in Europe prefers Obama over Mccain.

Europe and the United States are so different, but at he same time we have an agreement on how the world should be.

Its because whoever is going to choosen will have a big effect on Europe too. While McCain is more ''country first'', Obama is more worldwide. America is one of the mightiest countries, it has a lot of effect on the rest of the world. Like it has on my country. We borrow lots of money from America and since one of our prime ministers was kissing Bush his ass all the time, our troops are also in Iraq.

So Obama would probably be economically be better for Europe, but dont forget that there are lots of people voting on the polls for Obama because he's kinda a 'trend' right now, like a lot of people in my country say they support Obama, while they dont even know what he stands for, they only think its cooler to say their gonna vote for a democrate and because he gets so much media attention.

jeeeez, im getting so excited about tommorow !

[SIDEWALK]

jeeeez, im getting so excited about tommorow !

im so nervous, and i'm not even from the USA!! lol

[snorlaaax]

im so nervous, and i'm not even from the USA!! lol

me too, i just cant sleep
actually wanna stay up all night to stay updated, but school starts at 8.30, so i think im gonna do that tommorow :P

[browneyedgirl]

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Hahaha, I love this! This is being bumped all day tomorrow.

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[Jabz]

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Best video evaaaaaar! Best song ever! Damn, Love it.

[wendy2004]

me too, i just cant sleep
actually wanna stay up all night to stay updated, but school starts at 8.30, so i think im gonna do that tommorow :P

I know the feeling about being nervous and staying updated, too. For the past 2 weeks I've been watching nothing but election coverage at night. All the speeches and different analyzations from everyone's point of view. I've become practically obssessed with it. :bugeyed

At work we have a joke that either we'll all be calling in sick, tired and hung over on Wednesday from partying all Tuesday night or we'll all be calling in sick, tired and manically depressed at the idea of 4 more years of this foolishness.

I seriously wish I could vote over and over again...for everybody who won't or can't.

Can't wait until tomorrow night. Come onnn Obama!!!!:angel:

[Autumn II]

im so nervous, and i'm not even from the USA!! lol

And you SHOULD be nervous. This is a totally important election.

I live in the swing-state (could go either way) of Virginia, and it's very tense, here. One thing I can tell everyone is that the amount of Obama volunteers has been tremendous (including myself). It's gratifying to see so many young people care so much, and work so hard. Not only college and high-school students, but people have come here to volunteer from all over the U.S. I'm an older person and have been voting for a lot of years. I've never seen an election like this one, or one so important. Important for this country, and for the world. In my own opinion, the U.S. has to rejoin the community of nations to work together to solve global problems, including climate change, wars, human rights, and so much else. Obama can work to do that. McCain cannot, and has shown no inclination to do so. His running-mate? I shudder to think the direction this country would take if that ticket were to be elected.

Also in my own opinion, the only way that Obama can lose now is if the election is stolen. It's happened before. . .but I think he is prepared.

I'd like to thank the MJJC global community for their support of Obama. (Or those who do, and it seems to be most of you intelligent people.)

And tomorrow, It's SHOW-TIME!

peace (and I really hope so)

Victoria83

[Sparkling9Souls]

^ heh, we should thank the global community in general for their support of Obama. Tomorrow, it's all on us. I vividly recall people calling 2000 the "most important election in our lives," and I can definitely say that November 4th 2008 will be MUCH bigger. Maybe I'll just sleep all day, watch movies, or something. After I vote, all I'm looking to hear are the RESULTS!

[Autumn II]

^ heh, we should thank the global community in general for their support of Obama. Tomorrow, it's all on us. I vividly recall people calling 2000 the "most important election in our lives," and I can definitely say that November 4th 2008 will be MUCH bigger. Maybe I'll just sleep all day, watch movies, or something. After I vote, all I'm looking to hear are the RESULTS!

You're right. This is MUCH bigger, and yes, we should thank the global community for moral support, if not their votes. I'm on the East Coast of the U.S. in the swing-state of Virginia. I am proud to say that I've done my best, in my small donations, and larger donations in terms of hours worked. It takes ONE swing state to secure the victory. I'm hoping it will be Virginia. Polls close here at seven p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Soon after that, the exit-poll results will come in. After I finish entering some exit-poll data at the local Obama office, I'll have some friends over to my house to watch the results. And hopefully toast to the victory. This MUST happen.

peace-in-our-time,

Victoria

[MJsPYT1]

^^^oh my GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so eager to watch the results!!!!!!!!!:punk:

Luckily I have a full day of classes tomorrow to keep my mind off the results until later on. hmmmm- I also have a paper due on thurs that I havent started :( oh well.....

[Dorothy_Marie]

I shall pray that each and everyone who votes will pick the right person. I will pray for the person who does get picked for President will change the Untied States as we are in need of change from the economy to war. May the best person win and start making changes as soon as they are in office.

[MJJC Moderator]

http://hosted.ap.org/photos/5/54e07991-2aa7-4230-8a9d-b761a58d7ae3-big.jpg

:(

Barack Obama's Grandma died today:

CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (Reuters) - The grandmother who helped raise Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama (http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/barackobama) and whom he had credited with shaping his values has died of cancer, he said in a statement on Monday.


The news came on the day before the presidential election and a little more than a week after Obama interrupted his White House campaign to say goodbye to her in Hawaii.


Madelyn Dunham, 86, died peacefully at her home in Honolulu.


"She was the cornerstone of our family, and a woman of extraordinary accomplishment, strength and humility," Obama and his sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, said in a statement. "She was the person who encouraged and allowed us to take chances."


Dunham helped raise Obama from the age of 10 while his mother was working in Indonesia, and Obama took an emotional 22-hour trip to visit her on October 23 and 24.


He said afterward his grandmother had been flooded with cards, flowers and well-wishes from around the country, and he regularly thanked crowds at his campaign rallies for their prayers.


"Our family wants to thank all of those who sent flowers, cards, well-wishes and prayers during this difficult time," the statement said.


"It brought our grandmother and us great comfort. Our grandmother was a private woman, and we will respect her wish for a small private ceremony to be held at a later date," the statement said....


http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4A26GV20081103?sp=true

[TillitsGone]

Yo, whats the results for now, I mean status?

[mello1]

First votes counted of the U.S. Presidential Election -- 12 midnight, November 4, 2008
Dixville Notch, NH -

Obama 15, McCain 6

First time DN has gone Democratic since the 1960's.

[Bob George]

Polling update - November 4, 2008

The pollsters have made their final verdict and released their final polls before the election. So this is how the polls stand going in to election day. Including the popular vote and electoral college estimates....

Popular Vote
Obama 52%
McCain 44%

Electoral College
Obama 353
McCain 185

National Polls
Diageo/Hotline Obama +5
GWU/Battleground Obama +6
Rasmussen Obama +6
Ipsos/McClatchy Obama +7
Fox News Obama +7
IBD/TIPP Obama +8
NBC News/Wall St Journal Obama +8
CBS News Obama +9
Marist Obama +9
Gallup Obama +11
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama +11
AVERAGE Obama +7.9

State Polls
North Carolina (15) Obama +0.5
Missouri (11) McCain +0.6
North Dakota (3) McCain +1
Indiana (11) McCain +1
Florida (27) Obama +3
Arizona (10) McCain +4
Montana (3) McCain +4
Georgia (15) McCain +4
Ohio (20) Obama +4
Virginia (13) Obama +6
Nevada (5) Obama +6
Colorado (9) Obama +6
West Virginia (5) McCain +8
Pennsylvania (21) Obama +8
South Dakota (3) McCain +8
New Mexico (5) Obama +10
South Carolina ( 8 ) McCain +10
Arkansas (6) McCain +10
Mississippi (6) McCain +10
Minnesota (10) Obama +11
Wisconsin (10) Obama +11
New Hampshire (4) Obama +12
Texas (34) McCain +12
Michigan (17) Obama +13
Iowa (7) Obama +13
Louisiana (9) McCain +14
Kentucky ( 8 ) McCain +14
Tennessee (11) McCain +14
Kansas (6) McCain +14
Washington (11) Obama +15
Maine (4) Obama +15
New Jersey (15) Obama +16
Alaska (3) McCain +16
Oregon (7) Obama +16
Maryland (10) Obama +17
Nebraska (5) McCain +19
Massachusetts (12) Obama +21
Rhode Island (4) Obama +21
Vermont (3) Obama +21
Connecticut (7) Obama +22
Delaware (3) Obama +23
Wyoming (3) McCain +23
Illinois (21) Obama +24
Alabama (9) McCain +24
California (55) Obama +25
Oklahoma (7) McCain +27
Utah (5) McCain +28
New York (31) Obama +31
Idaho (4) McCain +36
Hawaii (4) Obama +41
District of Columbia (3) Obama +69

[L.J]

District of Columbia (3) Obama +69

:bugeyed wow nice high number in that spot :mello:


:lol:

[TillitsGone]

Sweet... I should be asleep now but.... naw :P

[Jabz]

OK, I'm hoping, results will be announced at a decent time, because I've got dance rehearsals and I don't want to miss a thing. Plus I'm in the UK so I'm like 5 hours ahead or something.

[Janey]

OMG the world is on the edge of its seat.
I really hope Obama wins, crosses fingers, arms, legs, toes...you get my drift....

[Mechi]

keep us updated as soon as you have results please!!!

[The One.]

^^ what does the numbers mean?? :huh:


im so nervous, and i'm not even from the USA!! lol
Me too! I want Obama to win so badly...... :angel:

[Scorpio]

Just got back from the polls. It wasn't bad at all especially compared to people that waited 4 hours to vote. I was in and out in 30 minutes or so which I'm glad I left when I did because as I was leaving the lines were starting to pick up.

Go Obama!

[elusive moonwalker]

OK, I'm hoping, results will be announced at a decent time, because I've got dance rehearsals and I don't want to miss a thing. Plus I'm in the UK so I'm like 5 hours ahead or something.

u wont find out till tom morning unless u are gonna sit up all the way through the night.

:clapping::clapping::clapping: for obama.if macain "wins" u all better be out on the streets rioting lol

[eXceLOfFam1]

im 18 and i voted OBAMA kid!!

[Autumn II]

Just got back from voting. Not too bad, only an hour wait. Earlier this morning, I heard it was a three hour wait. Weather is clear so far, but rain coming this afternoon. I've never seen anything like the voter turn-out in my small town.

Yes, we CAN! (and I did. . . . .)

Vic

[Scorpio]

u wont find out till tom morning unless u are gonna sit up all the way through the night.

:clapping::clapping::clapping: for obama.if macain "wins" u all better be out on the streets rioting lol

Thats the plan :cheeky:.

Yeah I'm gonna be up all night until they announce a winner but I have a feeling it'll be one of those elections that it'll take more than a day or so to straighten everything out. Since I'm on the east coast It would probably be midnight or later til they figure it out which sucks because I only had about 4 hours of sleep last night.:timer:.

Maybe I should go back to bed now.

[Autumn II]

Thats the plan :cheeky:.

Yeah I'm gonna be up all night until they announce a winner but I have a feeling it'll be one of those elections that it'll take more than a day or so to straighten everything out. Since I'm on the east coast It would probably be midnight or later til they figure it out which sucks because I only had about 4 hours of sleep last night.:timer:.

Maybe I should go back to bed now.

Might not be that long. I'm hoping for a landslide that's definitive, early. It's possible. I've NEVER seen this great of a voter turnout. Uhm, I don't think all those folks made it down to the polls to vote Republican. There's too much at stake.

peace,

Vic

[Scorpio]

One thing that certainly can't be denied is Obama's Power to bring interest back into politics for whatever reason.Its safe to say that my interest did stem from him. I won't say that I wouldn't had voted had it not been for him running but its possible.

Hes brought in many young people and blacks in particular together to be a part of this process and its great.

[Bee]

I just got back from voting as well. I wanted to go with my sisters but I had an errand to do. I walked up to the place where I had to vote and there were no lines. However, across the street from where I live, there was a line.

Right now, I am just happy that I voted today and voted for the man, Obama. Now, we wait until the coverage of the election results begin. All of the networks (broadcast) start the coverage at 7pm EST. So, that is when the madness starts. I am hoping for a win for Obama.

I will try to log on here to give you fans, esp. the non American ones, the updates on how the elecetion is going. You guys, you never truly know how things will go. So, if the unthinkable happens......*sigh* However, I am going to be positive.

[bgz]

Voted at 755am today, thought that would be a good time since folks that have to be at work at 8am would be done, and maybe a little too early for the 9am workers.

Almost everyone at the polling place was retired/elderly. There were only 4 booths with the computerized ballots, but you could opt for a paper vote, which I did because no one else was in that line. Many of the older people were having difficulty understanding how to use the computerized ballots and that line wasn't moving at all. My paper ballot took all of about 3 minutes to complete, and it was then placed in an official manilla envelope and sealed by a polling place official.

Now I'm just hoping that there won't be some glitch in the system in tallying the paper ballots, thought about that after I left. Memories of the Florida voting disaster with Al Gore are popping into my mind. Guess glitch's will happen regardless of method used, though. Keeping my fingers crossed for a rapid and accurate counting of all votes with results tonight/tomorrow am.

[MJsPYT1]

AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I have class all day today until 5 :(
We are having watch parties here on campus tonight.

Both Obama and McCain came to my school.
Ibama came over the summer and we got tons of emails about him coming and getting free tickets!
McCain came a couple weeks ago, and nobody knew until the day before, and a bunch of kids wore Obama t-shirts and yelled at McCain (sooo not nice)
Everyone says that they didn't tell us about McCain cause our school is mostly democratic, and for safety issues.....

I don't condone being mean to McCain- but I really want Obama to win :yes:

[daphnieas]

Voted at 755am today, thought that would be a good time since folks that have to be at work at 8am would be done, and maybe a little too early for the 9am workers.

Don't you guys get the day off?
Whenever there's an election here the entire country either gets the day off work or they work only half shift so everyone has the chance to vote. The ones that get half shift have to prove they've already voted to be admitted into their jobs.

[DanceofLorelei1994]

Oh God i sooooooooooo hope that Obama wins!!!!!

I SUPPORT OBAMA!!

I truly believe he has the ability to improve things.

[elusive moonwalker]

Thats the plan :cheeky:
i ment the person from the uk who wanted to know when the result would be interms of having to stay up all night

[Scorpio]

Don't you guys get the day off?
Whenever there's an election here the entire country either gets the day off work or they work only half shift so everyone has the chance to vote. The ones that get half shift have to prove they've already voted to be admitted into their jobs.

Nope its a normal day over here. So instead you get a bunch of people crowding for either just before work or just after. But typically you get a lot of people that just take off. I know some that took off today and tomorrow so they could stay up for the results.

[MJsPYT1]

Don't you guys get the day off?
Whenever there's an election here the entire country either gets the day off work or they work only half shift so everyone has the chance to vote. The ones that get half shift have to prove they've already voted to be admitted into their jobs.

HA! I wish!!!!! :no:
I was thinking that we should have had the day off from classes.........
I mean- what about those who didnt vote early??? Tough luck, I guess.
My roomie went home last night and is missing her classes today to vote, lol

[Bob George]

Australians, if you have Foxtel or Austar and get the news channels you will be able to watch live election coverage in real-time from the US from 10:00am EST on Fox News and CNN. BBC will also be covering the election at the same time but obviously it wont be direct from the US.

On free-to-air TV, ABC will start their US election coverage at mid-day. In the US, that's 8pm EST. The results will just have started to be counted in the eastern states at that time. So it's a good time to start tuning it. SBS will start their US election coverage at 2:30pm. In US time that's 10:30pm EST. By that time most of the eastern and central states will be counted save for some of the bigger battleground states like Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.

The time difference works out pretty well for us in Australia because in 2004 Bush accumulated 269 electoral votes at 1am US EST. So it was pretty clear he was going to win because he just needed one more electoral vote, so he need to win just one more state. The only other possible outcome other than Bush winning is that Kerry would tie up the votes at 269-269 and the vote would then go to congress. So the election was pretty much called for Bush at 1am US EST. In Australian time, that's 5pm EST. So you'll be able to come home from work and see who the winner is on the 5pm news on Ten. You might even get to witness the announcement of the first candidate to accumulate enough votes to win.

[MJsPYT1]

MY STATE!!!!! *gasp* come on Ohioans!!!!!!

Ohio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/pl_ynews/storytext/ynews_pl128/29745911/SIG=12p9ksu5c/*http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_mccain_vs_obama-400.html): Obama +3.2
The state that decided it in 2004 gets some of the spotlight again because of its large electoral vote offering (20) and its capacity to swing. Who wins this state might depend on which voters decide to stick out the wait in the long voting lines.

[bgz]

Nope, not too many places in US give people the entire day off. I believe that many work places do allow their employees a leeway, like an hour or so to go vote, I know my hospital does. But with the voting lines in so many places being hours long, one hour isn't going to make it.

Voting is 630am to 730 pm where I live, so in the perfect world, that could give most folks adequate time. Also, we could vote early at elections HQ, or many opted for an absentee ballot as another alternative.

There's several states that could make or break this election. My home state Ohio is one of them with a large electorate count, so I am sitting on the edge of my chair hoping for the best.

[IvanaIloveMJ]

Go Obama!!

[TillitsGone]

Ah, I went with my mom to go watch her cast her vote just a moment ago. The first times she's voted in years man. Though she's wouldn't have if I didn't keep reminding her how important this is and what kind of person Obama is.

Just now: My big sis is gonna go out and vote now. YAAAAAAAAAAAAY! :wild:

What a blessing.

[Scorpio]

Wow. I wish I would have came across this long ago.
It says: Let The Issues Be The Issues
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/4/f_ham_a03ffdf.jpg

[mariemarie]

Wow. I wish I would have came across this long ago.
It says: Let The Issues Be The Issues
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/11/4/f_ham_a03ffdf.jpg

I saw that picture in the paper today as well. These kinds of pictures creeps me out LOL.
I remember seeing it done many years ago with Michael Jackson with blond hair and blue eyes, the late pope as a Chinese, the queen of England as a Indonesian and Arnold Schwarzenegger as a African. It was very creepy!!!!!

But the message in this picture is true.

[LovelyOne]

I VOTED!!! OBAMA ALL DAY!!!


lol

[troubleman84]

http://obama.3cdn.net/01fd704853772227bb_szm6bxwpz.jpg

NUFF F***IN' SAID. ;)

[mjdove]

If I could VOTE, I VOTE OBAMA!

Good luck, USA!

[emmah24]

If I wasnt working tomorrow, I may just've stayed up to watch the results in the UK. This is a historical moment and I admit I'm totally intrigued about this presidential race now! One of the evening papers here expected to get results on one of the key states by roughly 1am GMT.

The increased turnout can only be good for Obama.

[Toffy]

Personally, if I had the choice, I'd just give Bush a 3rd term, but that can't happen so... GO MCCAIN!!!

[RedMaryFlint]

Might not be that long. I'm hoping for a landslide that's definitive, early.
Absolutely. I hope there's no serious glitches and no messing around with recounts.

I went to vote at about 7:15 am, and there were about three times as many people as usual, but nothing overwhelming. I really appreciate the renewed sense of excitement about the election process, though.

[TialovesMJ]

http://obama.3cdn.net/01fd704853772227bb_szm6bxwpz.jpg

NUFF F***IN' SAID. ;)

love it!!! :P

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

http://obama.3cdn.net/01fd704853772227bb_szm6bxwpz.jpg

NUFF F***IN' SAID. ;)

I did the same in the mock elections that I had in my school :D

GO OBAMA!!!

i agree with Tamara, love it ;)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ :D.....

Today at my college, a lot of students were wearing Obama pins and also shirts!! It was great!! :kickass:

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

McCain is from Arizona right?

it'd be hilarious 'n ironic if Barck wins that state :D

[TialovesMJ]

Ughhh yeah he is!!blahhhh!

yeah it would be, but i think McCain will win his own State....

[emmah24]

Personally, if I had the choice, I'd just give Bush a 3rd term, but that can't happen so... GO MCCAIN!!!

Wow, think you must be the only person on the planet who wants more of Bush. I'll be stunned if McCain takes it now, theres a momentum gathered behind Obama that seems unstoppable. Still, I suppose its not entirely impossible for McCain, just helluva difficult!

[Jabz]

u wont find out till tom morning unless u are gonna sit up all the way through the night.

:clapping::clapping::clapping: for obama.if macain "wins" u all better be out on the streets rioting lol

Hell yeah I am! I've had a shitty day and its the one thing I'm looking forward to. And I plan to riot as well, regardless of country and maybe loot a little too... If it gets that bad, lol.

[TialovesMJ]

dangggg is McCain ahead now??

[TillitsGone]

dangggg is McCain ahead now??

Shut up. Are u serious? :bugeyed:

[TialovesMJ]

Shut up. Are u serious? :bugeyed:

umm idk?I HOPE NOT.. I am watching CNN and a lot of states are red, mostly east coast and then the west coast, (some) are blue..whats that mean???

[TillitsGone]

Oh. Well he's doing ok (I think?), judging by the electoral reports. Check back a couple o' pages back.

[browneyedgirl]

I just voted the ish out of Mr. Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Yeah, that's right.

[TialovesMJ]

Oh. Well he's doing ok (I think?), judging by the electoral reports. Check back a couple o' pages back.

yeah i saw that..:D..

ughh i dont know why they put most of the states in red.. GRRRRRRRRRR!

[browneyedgirl]

yeah i saw that..:D..

ughh i dont know why they put most of the states in red.. GRRRRRRRRRR!
Uhm, I doubt that's the case. Our buddy John King over at CNN is always making hypothetical outcomes and situations. ... Btw, most of the east coast is for Obama by a landslide. What he's doing is probably creating a scenario if McCain were to win.

[TillitsGone]

Red can be cute (see MJ for details). But in this case: :devil: :lol:

Obama Obama Ob Ob Obama Obama :dance:

[TialovesMJ]

Uhm, I doubt that's the case. Our buddy John King over at CNN is always making hypothetical outcomes and situations. ... Btw, most of the east coast is for Obama by a landslide. What he's doing is probably creating a scenario if McCain were to win.



oh ok..Thanks for telling me. Because what I was seeing was all red..i was like psshh?WTH? figures he'd do that lol!!

[browneyedgirl]

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These kids are adorable. I've been singing this all day, lol.

[TialovesMJ]

Awww cute!!! :)

[Naturelle]

Very good...:)

[mariemarie]

How freaking adoreable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:punk::punk::punk:

[Naturelle]

Hell yeah I am! I've had a shitty day and its the one thing I'm looking forward to. And I plan to riot as well, regardless of country and maybe loot a little too... If it gets that bad, lol.

yesh, that is the concensuss. If McCain wins, I'll be move out of the US period.

[Naturelle]

Personally, if I had the choice, I'd just give Bush a 3rd term, but that can't happen so... GO MCCAIN!!!
I'm surprised to hear you say that openly.

[mariemarie]

I'm so excited, oh my god!!!

excuse my siggy, but it just happen to turn out so huge a few days ago LOL

[TialovesMJ]

McCain seems desperate IMO...

[Cinnamon234]

Voted this morning! Now all there is to do is wait for the outcome. I'm so nervous! I just hope American's actually get it right this time.


McCain seems desperate IMO...

Of course he is, all reports show that he is behind so his campaign is doing anything to get last minute votes.

[TillitsGone]

I'd rahter he lose with dignity and no complaints. Like "I did what i had to do and I'm glad i got this far."