Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Moddie777]

Yep! Again you are right, ALLforMJ, Michael is being VERY consistant with this theme of being in love. He is definately painting a picture and giving us just what he said he does with his music, a start, a middle and a close.

He is revealing more things about her as well.

[DMGJACKSON]

Yep! Again you are right, ALLforMJ, Michael is being VERY consistant with this theme of being in love. He is definately painting a picture and giving us just what he said he does with his music, a start, a middle and a close.

He is revealing more things about her as well.


Wow! That's coooool!

Girls being girls. Michael is the cause of it. lol

Ohhhhhhhh, the limo. That cutie is still sitting there in the limo, isn't he? :giggle:

The right picture is sooooooo hard to find, you guys. That's what's mainly holding me up. It's like...if I can't find the right one, I can't bring you guys with me the rest of the way down memory lane. If I can find the right one, I'll be able to show you how we were sitting while I was scanning my eyes over him.

If you could only see how he does his eyes when he's being super shy and how quiet he can be. It's the MJ that many do not see. It was the off-camera MJ. It was the MJ that was one-on-one with a girl that he felt very shy with, but didn't turn away. So cute! You know what? Even when he feels vulnerable, he still tries to remain strong...shy and all. That's what I learned about him that day. I just stumbled upon it. Glad he let me see that side. It left a lasting impression. A very good one.

Where is the right picture?! Grrrrrr. Doggone Internet is so BIG that it's hard to find things!!! :lol: I'll keep lookin' tho.

It's stuck in your head, huh? LOL I've also been thinking about the design of the brooch, the masculine and feminine colors all in one with a crown on top. It almost seems like it means, man and woman or king and queen sharing one crown.

Will.i.am: Yeah, you can be my beauty queen. Yeah, boo, let me be your king.

The line that says, "let me be your king" is also saying "let me be your man." He keeps finding different ways to ask her if he can be her man. He also keeps trying to assure her that her heart is going to be safe with him. The line in "Hold My Hand" that shows he wants to assure her is, "Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can." He also is continuously telling her that his love for her is real. He hasn't stopped telling her since the tone of the love songs softened and became more heartfelt in '03. He's been consistent.


`I have'nt been as active a participate (due to lack of Interpetation skills :wub: ) here, but truly respect the thread...

[Moddie777]

Since the New Pic Thread is moving waaay too slow and I can't get in there fast enough to drool like hopefully everyone elese, I thought I'd come in and add something elese about the Crown Theory.
As we all know, Michael has definately used Crowns to depict himself in over the years. We have a few ( in think) beautiful colorful glossy pics of MJ wearing a crown and at least one with him actually wearing a crown and sitting on what appears to be a throne, but the art of depicting a King and Queen together with a Crown, I had never noticed until the Jewelry. THEN IT HIT ME today; that I had seen this before but I didn't know exactly "where" but I knew I needed to look.
On the CD cover on "Dangerous", sits a Canine who represents the KING and opposite of him sits an Eagle representative of the Queen( notice her full ample boxom). Both wearing CROWNS and each on their own Throne!!!! Michael has been sending out clues of his "Queen" since the release of this cd. Why is the Dangerous cd significant? Because we have already examined and explored the various song/lyrics from this cd that links with the theory of this thread, and there are many on this cd!
To understand what he is revealing is to go back and think about what a Queen actually is: A ruler, a woman of power, ranks supreme. Michael must obviously see these very traits in his beloved, he is showing us how he see's her in a high regard. He is not ashame to reveal this, in fact he seems proud. Which says something even more beautiful about Michael, he is attracted to strong women.

[Ape]

He is very reassuring isn't he? So sweet. He is that way with us fans as well. Continually expressing his appreciation and love for us, and now we can also see to a possible "her" as well. He's just a sweet man. Very loving and genuine. He is gentle with those who need it and strong and firm where he needs to be. (oops.. no naughty interpretations intended) Happy New Year everyone. I am excited about 2009. Should be a great year!

[AllForMJ]

Hi Ape! Welcome back! *waving* Happy New Year to you too! :D

Since the New Pic Thread is moving waaay too slow and I can't get in there fast enough to drool like hopefully everyone elese, I thought I'd come in and add something elese about the Crown Theory.
As we all know, Michael has definately used Crowns to depict himself in over the years. We have a few ( in think) beautiful colorful glossy pics of MJ wearing a crown and at least one with him actually wearing a crown and sitting on what appears to be a throne, but the art of depicting a King and Queen together with a Crown, I had never noticed until the Jewelry. THEN IT HIT ME today; that I had seen this before but I didn't know exactly "where" but I knew I needed to look.
On the CD cover on "Dangerous", sits a Canine who represents the KING and opposite of him sits an Eagle representative of the Queen( notice her full ample boxom). Both wearing CROWNS and each on their own Throne!!!! Michael has been sending out clues of his "Queen" since the release of this cd. Why is the Dangerous cd significant? Because we have already examined and explored the various song/lyrics from this cd that links with the theory of this thread, and there are many on this cd!
To understand what he is revealing is to go back and think about what a Queen actually is: A ruler, a woman of power, ranks supreme. Michael must obviously see these very traits in his beloved, he is showing us how he see's her in a high regard. He is not ashame to reveal this, in fact he seems proud. Which says something even more beautiful about Michael, he is attracted to strong women.
I agree, Moddie777. I also think he is attracted to strong women. Especially since he is a very strong man. Remember what he said in "You Are So Beautiful?" He said, "Standing strong with you." This reveals she is strong and that he sees her strength as beautiful.

Also, there's something I just noticed about "P.Y.T. 2008" and "Hold My Hand." There are lines that link these two songs together. In "P.Y.T. 2008" it's the line that says "let me be your king." In "Hold My Hand" it's the line that says "let me be your one and only." He is clearly saying "You can be mine. Let me be yours." He has totally opened his heart to her. Awwww.

And about the unicorns that are on the brooches. Unicorns are enchanted horses that have a single horn. When horses stand on their hind legs, they are being "majestic."

Being majestic is showing strength and dignity. :yes:

[Moddie777]

Have you all ckecked out the post by ladyplatinum about the Virgo 2009 Overview for Michael? It's a must read!!!!!! There are things in it that are paramount to mentionings in this thread.

Go check it out!

[AllForMJ]

Have you all ckecked out the post by ladyplatinum about the Virgo 2009 Overview for Michael? It's a must read!!!!!! There are things in it that are paramount to mentionings in this thread.

Go check it out!
Yep. The person that wrote that forecast hit the nail square on the head.

[AllForMJ]

Yay!!! I finally found one!!! I finally found a late 1970's limo that is similar to the one that MJ was in the day I met him in 1979!! Gosh!!! It took so long to find one!!! lol

Again, this is similar to the one he was in, not exactly like it. Very close though. My cousin has pictures of MJ walking near the actual limo he was in, but I don't have those to show you guys. Sooooo, we're gonna have to use this one to finish up our trip down memory lane.

Okay ladies! Now there is something you gotta do on your end. If you have a copy of the special edition of the "Bad" CD, go and get it. Open it up and look at the back of the CD booklet. There are three pictures of MJ on it. In the first picture he is wearing dark sunglasses, a light blue jacket, a red shirt, black plants, red socks and black shoes. Of course, this is not what he was wearing when I met him while he was promoting "Off The Wall," but I'm having you look at this particular picture so you'll have an idea of how he was sitting. In the first picture that's on the back of the "Bad" CD booklet, he has his fingers interlocked the same way he had them when I walked over to him and his feet are spread apart the same way. Actually, MJ sits like this quite often. It's a guy thing. When I walked over to him and sat in the doorway of his limo, he was sitting like that, but he wasn't leaning forward like he is on the picture in the "Bad" CD booklet. He was sitting back, straight up with his back fully against the seat and he had his arms down with his hands resting directly on the seat instead of having his arms resting on his legs the way they are in the picture in the "Bad" booklet. He also was not wearing sunglasses that day.

Okay, now I can type up the last part of the story. Hooray!

Oh, and when you look at the picture of the limo that I found, you'll have to do a couple of other things: 1) Pretend like you do not see the chauffer holding the door open because no one opened the door for MJ before he got into the limo. He opened the door himself. Remember, he had his bodyguards stay by the radio station building, walked over to the limo alone, got inside and left the door open. How could we forget that door being open, he's been sitting there with the limo door open for how long now? About a month? :giggle: 2) Try to imagine him sitting right next to the open door wearing the clothes that are in the picture from that actual day. That day he was wearing a black long-sleeve turtkle neck shirt, a vest that was tapestry in the front and satin in the back, black pants, black socks and black boots that came up just passed his ankles that zipped up; 3) Try to imagine a girl sitting in the doorway facing him with her back against the door frame. Forgot to mention. I was also wearing a long-sleeve turtle neck shirt that day. Funny how things go, huh? My pants were burgundy, my top was like a mauve color.

Okay, it's almost time to finish our trip...

[mjroxworld]

When when when????

[Moddie777]

LoL @ mjroxworld

[mjroxworld]

LoL @ mjroxworld

hey i just like hearing her story. She likes to drag it on and on and on...AllForMJ would be an AWESOME book writer cause she likes to leave ya hangin' in suspense. AND she likes to do the research to find JUST the right details to fit the story so we can feel like we are there. All great stories take time to write and this is def. one of them!

[AllForMJ]

Wow, thanks for the compliment, mjroxworld!!

Just telling a true story about meeting Mr. Wonderful while he was out promoting his launch pad called "Off The Wall." I figured it's just time to have a lit-tle bit of fiz-zun. Let you all read something different. Something from a fan perspective. We're always reading what the media writes and what those other people write, but how often do we get to read something from a fan perspective...something that is soley about having a little bit of fun with the man that's always the center of attention?

Hey! I got something else for y'all to do before the final part of our trip down memory lane, okay?

Ya know, the way he was sitting really revealed something special about him. It really showed that he is pure at heart. He's just a sweet, down to earth and polite guy that tries to get to know people and let people get to know him a little bit.

Do this, okay? I want you to get a feel of his demeanor at that moment. So sweet.

1. Go and sit on your living room couch or on the back seat of your car
2. Sit alllll the way back
3. Sit up straight up with your back completely against the couch or seat
4. Place your feet about the same distance apart as his are in the photo described above. About 13-15 inches.
5. Put your hands into a praying position and then interlock your fingers
6. With our hands together and your fingers interlocked, put your hands down onto the couch right in front of you...right in the middle.
7. Completely relax your shoulders

Now, you can feel just how he was sitting...

Well....be back. Gotta go...for now. Still searching for a couple of other things. Doggone Internet! Sometimes, it's like trying to find something in the middle of the ocean. LOL :flowers:

[mjroxworld]

Well AllForMJ, I don't know about you all in CA, but we here in MO haven't been very cold this winter so far. We went w/o jackets today. Is MJ getting a little drafty in the winter weather with that door open, or is he taking it easy enjoying unseasonally warm days?

This was a beautifully wonderful day to have a romantic walk. Let's hope Michael is doing some of those these days.

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys,

Just wanted to pop in for a moment to give a quick hello. As I am sure you all have heard there is a lot going on in Oakland right now. The emotions are flying.

Keep us in your prayers, okay?

Talk to you later.

Love ya.... :flowers:

[mjroxworld]

Hi you guys,

Just wanted to pop in for a moment to give a quick hello. As I am sure you all have heard there is a lot going on in Oakland right now. The emotions are flying.

Keep us in your prayers, okay?

Talk to you later.

Love ya.... :flowers:

Actually I'm out of the loop, honestly. What's going on in Oakland?????

[Pua]

Kinda quiet here :unsure:

[Ape]

*Bangs big brass cymbals and drums all around the thread*

[DMGJACKSON]

keep safe your In my/our prayers,God Bless all those affected!

[Ape]

I just found out what you were talking about in Oakland AFMJ. I watched it on youtube... sickening. It makes me absolutely sick. There was no reason for it. He just murdered the guy right there and probably won't be charged for it as murder because he had a badge on.

I know it doesn't really fit this thread but ...

I really don't know what to add to this thread. I've written most of my thoughts in back pages already. What else is there to say or talk about?

[Pua]

Well I think he doesn't look as happy as he did a few months ago. Like in this pic. On this day you could see his happiness. It was around the same time he wrote those 2 messages.....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk23/huhuloas/Avatar%20and%20signature%20pics/MJ.jpg

In the recent pictures there's a sadness in his eyes, it's very different.

[Ape]

You are right. I saw that too. I hope the smile returns to both his mouth and eyes (and heart). I wish the people would stop bugging him at the doctors. It's just not appropriate.

[lil_miss_mj]

You are right. I saw that too. I hope the smile returns to both his mouth and eyes (and heart). I wish the people would stop bugging him at the doctors. It's just not appropriate.

Me too. I pray for it everyday because he deserves to be the happiest a human being can be.

[Moddie777]

Hey,

I took a second look at those recent pictures after I came in here and read how you could see "sadness" in his eyes.

When I first saw the pics a day after they were posted( i think), my thoughts were: I wish there was more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

But honestly I don't see sadness at all in his gorgeous eyes. I haven't viewed the video though but as far as the pictures are concerned he seemed like he didn't care to be bothered , hassled or photographed. If I had to guess, I think maybe he just wanted some privacy and to be left alone but of course realizes, the paps come with the territory. Unfortunately.

Ya' know what I mean?

[turthlili]

well, i hope michael could find his queen quickly,
for love,for someone could take care of him really.
you know ,when you be sick, sometimes be lonely, you may need someone.
though michael is so famous, i think there must be so many people want to be with him.
but he is just a normal human being, i think he need someone real, and real love.not for money ,fame or other things.
someone just be there, that will be much more helpfull.

[Moddie777]

well, i hope michael could find his queen quickly,
for love,for someone could take care of him really.
you know ,when you be sick, sometimes be lonely, you may need someone.
though michael is so famous, i think there must be so many people want to be with him.
but he is just a normal human being, i think he need someone real, and real love.not for money ,fame or other things.
someone just be there, that will be much more helpfull.


I agree with you 100% turthlili!

[LindaC781]

I think MJ is just so sick and tired of paparrazzi, it isn't even funny. I think that there is only so much paps one can take all the time. For crying out loud, leave the precious man alone!!

[lil_miss_mj]

I think MJ is just so sick and tired of paparrazzi, it isn't even funny. I think that there is only so much paps one can take all the time. For crying out loud, leave the precious man alone!!

I feel so sorry for him, not being able to do something simple like go into a store without the camera brigade all piling up outside and acting like animals to get the money shot. It's sad, and I honestly don't know how he copes with that. If it were me I think I'd lose it.

[LindaC781]

I feel so sorry for him, not being able to do something simple like go into a store without the camera brigade all piling up outside and acting like animals to get the money shot. It's sad, and I honestly don't know how he copes with that. If it were me I think I'd lose it.

I know...it must be awful. Not having any privacy at all...

[Moddie777]

Yep! Linda and lil miss, I agree with you both.

But hopefully soon as the new Michael emerge the world will witness the return of a true Master Commanding his stage and returning back to his throne.

I don't think Michael is going to let anybody down.

He is coming back!

[mjroxworld]

Yeah the paparazzi are completely out of control. Not just with Michael, but with everyone. They abuse their rights as journalists and it's so sad. What happened to the private life? When MJ was a kid it was the fans. And yeah the fans scared him at times but he always loved them. Fans are one thing. But later as he grew older paparazzi became a big thing in this country. Paparazzi are a different thing. They just make a person's life downright miserable! No matter how happy a person is, or how much they love their work, paparazzi can and will bring them down.

Michael is back in the Hollywood scene. He knew it would happen, but that makes it no less difficult to deal with. Back in Vegas it wasn't bad because of regulations. He could live his life, go places, etc., without everyone in the world knowing. Most important, he could raise his kids. Now it isn't so. If anyone sees a sadness in his eyes right now, I personally don't believe it has anything to do with his personal life - it's paparazzi going places they have no business going!! I'd be utterly annoyed, as well, and you'd probably see the very same look in my eyes if I was the target.

[LindaC781]

Celebrities like Michael Jackson have a right to some sort of privacy. Yet journalists think that just because they are a celebrity, that they have no rights to privacy at all. They say "Oooh they asked for this publicity" or "they are in the public eye and we have a right to intrude like that all the time". Well, they don't have the right. Back in the 1920's the paparazzi wasn't like that. They are very very intrusive right now in this point in time. Just look at what happened to Princess Di! I mean, when will it stop? When someone else gets killed like that? What do they want??

[Ape]

I know this will be a controversial question but are we fans any different? I know most fans aren't fanatical and are still respectful but sometimes it seems hard to know where the line should be drawn. I know we don't make money off of him and aren't fans for money, our motives are different than paparazzi, and we also (usually) shower him with nice things and compliments rather than the jabs that some paparazzi take. So yes we are different, but at the same time, do we cross those privacy barriers the same as the paparazzi do? Or is it different somehow? I just don't think that the doctors office is an appropriate place for ANYONE to be following him.


(sorry if this offends anyone, just sharing my thoughts...also sorry I'm off topic, I will try to bring it back)

The observation of his unhappy eyes could and most probably is due to being hounded at the doctors office, especially with his son there, rather than anything to do with a love interest...though there is no way I can know that and I'm just making an assumption based on observation.

It's a weird thing, this fandom. It is still hard for me to understand sometimes. There are moments where it feels wrong to me. Especially if I think about it too much. I really appreciate and admire the man. I love his music and creativity. I think he would be a wonderful friend and person to know. I don't want to put him on a pedestal or worship him in any way. He probably doesn't want to be worshiped either though probably doesn't mind being adored by his fans. I Am interested in him and would like to know more, but at the same time, it feels wrong to pry into his private life if he isn't openly sharing the things I am curious about. I hate what the paparazzi do, but I love seeing the photos they take of him. After almost 6 years, I still haven't totally figured out this fan stuff.

I hope no one takes offense to this. Just some things that sometimes bother me and I think about every once in a while. But now I am waaaaay off topic again. Sorry, once again.

[LindaC781]

I know this will be a controversial question but are we fans any different? I know most fans aren't fanatical and are still respectful but sometimes it seems hard to know where the line should be drawn I know we don't make money off of him and aren't fans for money, our motives are different than paparazzi, and we also (usually) shower him with nice things and compliments rather than the jabs that some paparazzi take. So yes we are different, but at the same time, do we cross those privacy barriers the same as the paparazzi do? Or is it different somehow? I just don't think that the doctors office is an appropriate place for ANYONE to be following him.


(sorry if this offends anyone, just sharing my thoughts...also sorry I'm off topic, I will try to bring it back)

The observation of his unhappy eyes could and most probably is due to being hounded at the doctors office, especially with his son there, rather than anything to do with a love interest...though there is no way I can know that and I'm just making an assumption based on observation.

It's a weird thing, this fandom. It is still hard for me to understand sometimes. There are moments where it feels wrong to me. Especially if I think about it too much. I really appreciate and admire the man. I love his music and creativity. I think he would be a wonderful friend and person to know. I don't want to put him on a pedestal or worship him in any way. He probably doesn't want to be worshiped either though probably doesn't mind being adored by his fans. I Am interested in him and would like to know more, but at the same time, it feels wrong to pry into his private life if he isn't openly sharing the things I am curious about. After almost 6 years, I still haven't totally figured out this fan stuff.

I hope no one takes offense to this. Just some things that sometimes bother me and I think about every once in a while. But now I am waaaaay off topic again. Sorry, once again.

I hear ya Ape. I agree...some fans are just too much sometimes.

Getting back to the subject - I think this last thing with that Halperin jerk was the last straw. How many times does this man have to defend not only himself but his health anyway? I do think that he did find someone special a while ago - I think she is still very much as much a part of his soul than he is to her. That's my opinion. I think she loves him for him. And for nothing more than that.

[Ape]

I think you are right Linda. I think that's really the only way it could work out...and he must love her for her too, with no other reason than that. Hard not to have ones heart go out to him. I think most people who care about him want to see him happy and with someone there to love and support him in a lasting relationship.

Thanks for understanding what I meant in my post.

[LindaC781]

I think that both people, if they truly love each other for themselves, need to come to a mutual agreement with each other and accept each other at face value. If she loves him for him, she means it. If he loves her for her, he must mean it too...

[Sdeidjs]

I think that both people, if they truly love each other for themselves, need to come to a mutual agreement with each other and accept each other at face value. If she loves him for him, she means it. If he loves her for her, he must mean it too...

Absolutely...

[mjroxworld]

Ape, you are absolutely right and I spoke my mind in another thread. We shouldn't be afraid to speak our minds about Michael's rights and his privacy. We do get attacked for it, however; I know I do. The difference between paparazzi and fans in regards to Michael's privacy is a fine line. So kudos to you, Ape, for speaking your mind about that. More of us should do so.

Anyway, back on topic. Love is patient, love is kind...

And AllForMJ, I heard about the thing going on there in Oakland. Stay safe. I guess I'll be patient, myself, about your story.

[lil_miss_mj]

I know this will be a controversial question but are we fans any different? I know most fans aren't fanatical and are still respectful but sometimes it seems hard to know where the line should be drawn. I know we don't make money off of him and aren't fans for money, our motives are different than paparazzi, and we also (usually) shower him with nice things and compliments rather than the jabs that some paparazzi take. So yes we are different, but at the same time, do we cross those privacy barriers the same as the paparazzi do? Or is it different somehow? I just don't think that the doctors office is an appropriate place for ANYONE to be following him.

(sorry if this offends anyone, just sharing my thoughts...also sorry I'm off topic, I will try to bring it back)

I'm not offended, and in my opinion it's about time someone said it. Just where do you draw the line when it comes to following him? Like I mentioned on the page before, I feel so sorry that the man can't even go to a bookstore without having a ton of people smooshed up against the glass watching his every move and not giving him a moments peace. I know that he loves us, but he is human. Surely sometimes he just wishes we'd stay away? Not with public things, but with small private things and I definitely think that would include doctors appointments. I'd never go if he was going to something like that. He didn't really seem happy to see those fans there. *Shrug* But none of us know what's going on his life so we can't really assume things.

[Safira]

I'm not offended, and in my opinion it's about time someone said it. Just where do you draw the line when it comes to following him? Like I mentioned on the page before, I feel so sorry that the man can't even go to a bookstore without having a ton of people smooshed up against the glass watching his every move and not giving him a moments peace. I know that he loves us, but he is human. Surely sometimes he just wishes we'd stay away? Not with public things, but with small private things and I definitely think that would include doctors appointments. I'd never go if he was going to something like that. He didn't really seem happy to see those fans there. *Shrug* But none of us know what's going on his life so we can't really assume things.

I totally agree on this! Nomatter what - I could'nt bring myself to go and interrupt him when he was shopping or something like that. Also I wonder if people doesent take in mind what HE might think about THEM when they act like he's som immortal being that breathes on writing autographs or something like that (:P)

[Sdeidjs]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a photograph, autograph of Mr.Jackson as he certainly is more than willing to associate with his fans, admirers...

BUT my goodnes gracious~~~

If we truly think about it...

We as a society would have an opportunity to see, interact with Mr.Jackson out & about MORE if there wasn't such a pandemonium whenever he does surface...

:angel:Everything in Life with moderation & balance..!

[LindaC781]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a photograph, autograph of Mr.Jackson as he certainly is more than willing to associate with his fans, admirers...

BUT my goodnes gracious~~~

If we truly think about it...

We as a society would have an opportunity to see, interact with Mr.Jackson out & about MORE if there wasn't such a pandemonium whenever he does surface...

:angel:Everything in Life with moderation & balance..!

I hear ya Suzie....I think if I were in the crowd, I could only imagine what I would do if I saw him in person....never have....probably never will either...Oh well (sigh)

[MJJChichi]

dude aint find ish in that dark azz song ... love is all about the light.

[Poefiend]

LOL Chichi :lol:

[LindaC781]

Here it is!! I've got it!! The NEW and IMPROVED MJ Paparazzi Face Shield!! No kidding....I am a genius...I must admit...and I'm modest too on top of it all...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/face_shield-1.jpg

[MJJChichi]

mmm hmmm ... modest, yep that is the phrase that I would use to best describe you linda










NOT

:lol:

[LindaC781]

mmm hmmm ... modest, yep that is the phrase that I would use to best describe you linda










NOT

:lol:

Hey!! I resemble that remark!! :punk: Hey, when you got it, FLAUNT it...! LOL!!

[Sdeidjs]

I hear ya Suzie....I think if I were in the crowd, I could only imagine what I would do if I saw him in person....never have....probably never will either...Oh well (sigh)

How do you know you will never see, interact with Mr.Jackson in person..?

Remember ANYTHING in life is possiable...

I can understand what your saying about being excited, but so many of us cross the line and it ends up being a saftey issue for the Artist...

I know from my own experiences being in/associated with music industry Artists, Managers, ect. are really just like you & me...They just want to be treated like, LIVE like a normal human being...

In everyday life, many not all Artist go by a different identity/name than what their public identity is...

This way, they can at least TRY to LIVE a somewhat balanced, normal life without all the pandemonium that surrounds them with their public persona...

Does that make sense..?

[lil_miss_mj]

Here it is!! I've got it!! The NEW and IMPROVED MJ Paparazzi Face Shield!! No kidding....I am a genius...I must admit...and I'm modest too on top of it all...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/face_shield-1.jpg

AHAHAHAHAHAHA you genius!!! :rofl:!!!

[LindaC781]

mmm hmmm ... modest, yep that is the phrase that I would use to best describe you linda










NOT

:lol:

I'm glad you're back ChiChi...I missed ya!!:yes:

[mjroxworld]

How do you know you will never see, interact with Mr.Jackson in person..?

Remember ANYTHING in life is possiable...

I can understand what your saying about being excited, but so many of us cross the line and it ends up being a saftey issue for the Artist...

I know from my own experiences being in/associated with music industry Artists, Managers, ect. are really just like you & me...They just want to be treated like, LIVE like a normal human being...

In everyday life, many not all Artist go by a different identity/name than what their public identity is...

This way, they can at least TRY to LIVE a somewhat balanced, normal life without all the pandemonium that surrounds them with their public persona...

Does that make sense..?

Which is EXACTLY why I am scared for myself and my family! My music and my career are all of a sudden starting to really take off in ways I didn't expect (especially so QUICKLY) and I am afraid that in time, however long that may be, IF it all gets popular the paparazzi (and possibly fans) will be all over my back. It is a fear I really have. I'm in "early" stages with my career right now, so the paps aren't an issue yet. But they are on my mind and I am scared to death of them. I may be going on tour very very soon, and they may be following to some extent. I pray and I pray for my safety, for strength, and my family. I wonder what is going to happen over these next months and years.... I really want my music to succeed, you know? But at the same time I know the consequences of popularity. It's totally scary.

And so right now I empathize with Michael. And it's no wonder that real, true love has been so hard for him to grab hold of when nearly everyone he has known in his life (save his kids) have stabbed him in the back in some way. :( I am SO thankful I already have a wonderful husband and terrific kids. I can't imagine being w/o them.

Michael, you truly do have "rhinoceros skin"! You're tough, man. I only wish that if the time ever comes, I can be as tough as you. Standing up for myself and speaking out on this board is difficult enough. Perhaps it is preparing me for what may come later.....

[SoS]

hi All,

I just can't be online these days. Can someone post a link or say where the latest pics of him are found? Is there a pic thread?

[AllForMJ]

Okey madokey!! Feels like I've been gone hecka long!! Missed Mr. Man and my fellow MJ Fans!! Hugs and more hugs and lots and lots of love!!

Oakland has calmed down some...got a new president in the W-House...still gotta finish the true meeting MJ story so that lovely, delicious man can close that limo door and roll...

Buuuuuut, straying away from the meeting MJ story yet again. Sorry peeps!! LOL. Gotta take a look at this for a bit. It's been running through my mind.

Verse from MJ's song "Don't Walk Away"

How can I begin again
And how am I to understand
When there's nothing left to do but walk away

This part of "Don't Walk Away" from the "Invincible" CD has been running through my mind non-stop.

The above verse, and other parts of this song, shows us again that some songs MJ sings really do consist of his true thoughts and feelings. Some things that he sings really are wishes that he'd like to see come true.

The line in "Don't Walk Away" where he says "How can I begin again" was something that he really must have wanted to know. It was something that he really must have needed to know. You can tell because he cried throughout the song.

I wanted to take a look at this song because...not only has it been running through my mind lately...but also because the line "How can I begin again" has been answered.

What was the theme of MJ's MJJSource website? It was "A New Beginning."

See, that line "How can I begin again" in "Don't Walk Away" wasn't just something that was written to sing. It wasn't just words to go unheard. It was something that MJ wanted to know and one day he realized that he could receive the answer. He knew it. He felt it and he was right. It wasn't far away. It was in the works.

Do you remember the words that flashed onto your computer screen before you entered the MJJSource website? The words were, "The Power Is In Believing."

Is MJ now getting a chance to begin again? Yep! He sure is! Oh happy day!

There probably are many that did not know just how spiritual MJ actually is and that he not only believes in God, but he truly places his trust in Him. A person can't simply speak words into existence, but what they can do is ask God if He will assist them in removing things that are causing them hardship. If God's answer to them is yes, it is not hard to tell. You don't have to see God with your eyes to be able to see that His answer is yes. You only need to watch as those things are being removed. That's all the proof you need to see that God is giving a yes answer.

We know that MJ had Raymone say he had placed his situation into God's hands. We know we heard MJ say, "God and the truth are on our side." We saw the things that were causing him hardship being removed one by one, and we know those things are now gone. MJ's life has settled down tremendously. God's answer was a beautiful and resounding yes and He did not let anything or anyone get in the way of His yes answer.

What is MJ presently doing? He is beginning again.

He may have walked away from the land where he was born and had endured so much hurt and disappointment, but he did not stay away. He came back and this shows he did not want to walk away.

How can I begin again
And how am I to understand
When there's nothing left to do but walk away

The answer was and is, "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3:5-6

If God can remove the things that caused MJ hardship, God can replace those things with a woman for MJ to love and cherish.

From his heart to her he sings, until the day he places a ring. What did MJ say in "The Way You Love Me?" He said, "It won't be long till we make vows, I betcha."

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds... :yes:

[cleopatra1975]

welcome back allformj... and about the situatinon in oakland i hope something like this never ever gonna happen.. need to say it...your interpretation is very well written...God will guide them i m sure of that...hugggs

[mjroxworld]

Good to see you again, AllForMJ! And very nice post. But hey I'm tired, just got back from my audition a little while ago so I'm gonna go to BED soon! Night everyone!

[lil_miss_mj]

The line in "Don't Walk Away" where he says "How can I begin again" was something that he really must have wanted to know. It was something that he really must have needed to know. You can tell because he cried throughout the song.

Did he really? I never knew that... now Ima have to listen to it and see.

[Sdeidjs]

I originally posted this in the Random Inspiration Thread but after reviewing AllForMJ recent post I thought this reflection, inspiration is much more fitting for this thread.

Home > (http://www.beliefnet.com/)Inspiration > (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/index.aspx)

<STRONG>When God Winks at You <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/ /><o:p></o:p></STRONG></FONT></FONT><BR><I><FONT color=#525252><FONT face=Georgia></FONT></FONT></I></P><P><I><FONT color=#525252><FONT face=Georgia></FONT></FONT></I></P><P><I><FONT color=#525252><FONT face=Georgia>Every so-called coincidence or answered prayer is God’s way of letting you know He's thinking of you. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></I><BR></P><P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#666666>BY:</FONT><FONT color=#333333> Squire Rushnell <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><FONT color=black><FONT face=Georgia>You’ve had another one of those days. Everything seems uncertain. <BR><BR>You think: <I><FONT face=Georgia>Wouldn’t it be great to wake up one morning and have everything be certain?</FONT></I> Certain in love? Certain about your job? Certain about your future? <BR><BR>Who could you talk to about this? Bigger question, who’d listen? <BR><BR>Tentatively your <A href=eyes drift skyward.

Hello? Are you there, God?

Then your mind quickly assesses the immensity of your request. You want God to listen to you, right now. How ridiculous. There are six billion people on this planet. What if they’re all calling God at the same time?

You slump. Deeper into the dumps.

Then--something happens.

A little silly thing.

Someone you just thought about for the first time in years phones out of the blue--a silly little coincidence, so silly you shrug it off. Or a prayer you didn’t really expect to be answered--was! Immediately, your left brain repeats something you once heard: There’s a mathematical explanation for everything.

“But…” you say, “mayyyyybe…it’s not just coincidence or chance!”

Maybe God is communicating (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##) with you.

Yes directly to you!

You shake your head.

Naw. Couldn’t be.

But…what if God is communicating with you--in a nonverbal way--making a little miracle happen, right in front of you? After all, God doesn’t speak to people in a human voice. He’s God…He’d do something no one else could do, just to show you it’s Him!

If so, that would mean that He is listening! Right?

He has heard you!

What if through this odd little coincidence, or answered prayer, He’s sending you--you… out of all of those billions of people--a direct personal message of reassurance? To stop worrying? To keep the faith? That everything will be all right?

Every time you receive what some call a coincidence or an answered prayer, it’s a direct and personal message of reassurance from God to you--what I call a godwink.

It’s similar to when you were a kid at the dining room table. You looked up and saw someone you loved looking back. Mom or Dad or Granddad. They gave you a little wink.

You had a nice feeling from that small silent communication (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##).

What did it mean? Probably--“Hey kid…I’m thinking about you right this moment. I’m proud of you. Everything is going to be all right.”

That’s what a godwink is.

Every so-called coincidence or answered prayer is God’s way of giving you His small, silent, communication. A little wink saying, “Hey kid! I’m thinking of you…right now!”

It’s a clear (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##) message of reassurance-that no matter how uncertain your life seems at the moment, He will help move you toward certainty.

And it’s a sign that you’re never alone. In fact, you’re always on His GPS--a global positioning system I like to call God’s Positioning System….

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth

[MissyJackson]

I originally posted this in the Random Inspiration Thread but after reviewing AllForMJ recent post I thought this reflection, inspiration is much more fitting for this thread.

Home > (http://www.beliefnet.com/)Inspiration > (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/index.aspx)

When God Winks at You <o:p></o:p>


Every so-called coincidence or answered prayer is God’s way of letting you know He's thinking of you. <o:p></o:p>

BY: Squire Rushnell <o:p></o:p>

You’ve had another one of those days. Everything seems uncertain.

You think: Wouldn’t it be great to wake up one morning and have everything be certain? Certain in love? Certain about your job? Certain about your future?

Who could you talk to about this? Bigger question, who’d listen?

Tentatively your eyes drift skyward. (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/%20border=)

Hello? Are you there, God?

Then your mind quickly assesses the immensity of your request. You want God to listen to you, right now. How ridiculous. There are six billion people on this planet. What if they’re all calling God at the same time?

You slump. Deeper into the dumps.

Then--something happens.

A little silly thing.

Someone you just thought about for the first time in years phones out of the blue--a silly little coincidence, so silly you shrug it off. Or a prayer you didn’t really expect to be answered--was! Immediately, your left brain repeats something you once heard: There’s a mathematical explanation for everything.

“But…” you say, “mayyyyybe…it’s not just coincidence or chance!”

Maybe God is (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/%20border=)communicating (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##) with you.

Yes directly to you!

You shake your head.

Naw. Couldn’t be.

But…what if God is communicating with you--in a nonverbal way--making a little miracle happen, right in front of you? After all, God doesn’t speak to people in a human voice. He’s God…He’d do something no one else could do, just to show you it’s Him!

If so, that would mean that He is listening! Right?

He has heard you!

What if through this odd little coincidence, or answered prayer, He’s sending you--you… out of all of those billions of people--a direct personal message of reassurance? To stop worrying? To keep the faith? That everything will be all right?

Every time you receive what some call a coincidence or an answered prayer, it’s a direct and personal message of reassurance from God to you--what I call a godwink.

It’s similar to when you were a kid at the dining room table. You looked up and saw someone you loved looking back. Mom or Dad or Granddad. They gave you a little wink.

You had a nice feeling from that small silent communication (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##).

What did it mean? Probably--“Hey kid…I’m thinking about you right this moment. I’m proud of you. Everything is going to be all right.”

That’s what a godwink is.

Every so-called coincidence or answered prayer is God’s way of giving you His small, silent, communication. A little wink saying, “Hey kid! I’m thinking of you…right now!”

It’s a clear (http://www.beliefnet.com/Inspiration/2006/10/When-God-Winks-At-You.aspx?WT.mc_id=NL24##) message of reassurance-that no matter how uncertain your life seems at the moment, He will help move you toward certainty.

And it’s a sign that you’re never alone. In fact, you’re always on His GPS--a global positioning system I like to call God’s Positioning System….

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth



so cute

[LindaC781]

Personally, I think MJ did find Love in the Dark. He's been looking damned good lately...the Vogue photoshoot, the Ebony one....him going to the dermatologist....being happy showing large smiles...yep. Something is definitely up.

[Moddie777]

Sdeidjs, Thanks for that post! That was beautiful and very fitting for this thread. Perfect in fact.

[Ape]

Aww, we all miss this thread don't we? I'd imagine it'll get going full tilt again once the album is released because we KNOW Michael can't release an album without some love songs on it. It's just a part of him. It'll be fun.

[mizzneneluvzmj]

im sorry if this song has been mentioned but everytime i try and read the entire post i get disturbed by someone ugh!!!!

anywho
whats your take on heaven can wait?

i posted my feelings about it another post but i like this one better!

what do you think he was feeling or going through with his lady love when he wrote that?
i mean the song seems pretty self explanitory but still other perceptions would be nice!

[mjroxworld]

im sorry if this song has been mentioned but everytime i try and read the entire post i get disturbed by someone ugh!!!!

anywho
whats your take on heaven can wait?

i posted my feelings about it another post but i like this one better!

what do you think he was feeling or going through with his lady love when he wrote that?
i mean the song seems pretty self explanitory but still other perceptions would be nice!

Oh Heaven Can Wait is a beautiful song. Who knows exactly what it was he was going through. But it tells us that to him, she is even more important than Heaven itself!

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, Thanks for that post! That was beautiful and very fitting for this thread. Perfect in fact.

Your very welcome...I am pleased that you are pleased...That's what I thought too...:yes:

[SoS]

im sorry if this song has been mentioned but everytime i try and read the entire post i get disturbed by someone ugh!!!!

anywho
whats your take on heaven can wait?

i posted my feelings about it another post but i like this one better!

what do you think he was feeling or going through with his lady love when he wrote that?
i mean the song seems pretty self explanitory but still other perceptions would be nice!well since I'm into the criss-crossing of the songs, the first thing that comes to mind is the song, You Are Not Alone because its all about two people being "there" for eachhother, even with time and distance, and in HCW he says, "I don't wanna leave my baby alone..." .....so he wouldn't be willing to go to even such a splendid place as heaven if it means "she" has to be on this wretched earth " all alone"

or....maybe that's too obvious... :dunno: good question cuz it sure is a divinely beautiful sentiment in the song HCW

*waves to everyone* boy I miss being online! Barely have any time these days, even for lurking! Gotta run now too :blush:

:D y'all are keeping the pages turning tho... good to know there's something fun to read whenever I do get a chance to pop in....

moddie 777 I see you'd been looking for me before my last post and I'm just getting the chance to do enough reading to have noticed it...so sorryabouthtat. *waves madly* always good to see ya! I'll have some time fairly soon. Um :innnocent: is it my imagination (rushing too much here?) or is that limo door STILL open? :lol: *waves to AFMJ* I guess you're still doing "set design" :D As JJ so eloquently put it, I'm sure it will be "worth the wait" :cheeky: like the other bit was, so its all gooooood :yes:

good to see everybody, waves madly to all
byeeee for now as always :)

[Moddie777]

Hello stateofshock!!!!!!! Miss seeing you here!

Now here's a good question for anyone, where is MJbabe21, she is soooooo sweet. I miss her too?

About The Song, "Heaven can wait", (i haven't listened to it in ages) but I think your brief analysis of it was on the mark.

Whether he wrote all or any of the lyrics to it or not, you can tell by the way he emphasis most words that the lyrics he sings hold some kind of valid and personal meaning to him.
Seasoned & very gifted artist can do this with songs they never had any input in the creation of, but Michael has told us, he doesn't sing anything he doesn't mean. He has said, the truth is in his music. I remember him saying one time (or maybe 2), that everything is in his music.
"Heaven can wait" is about a heavenly love affair with a woman who is so special to him, he doesn't want to die and leave her behind, becuase he doesn't want to look down from the heavenly skies and see her in the arms of another. He sings something like, "I'll turn it all around and get back to my baby girl, can't stand nobody kissing, touching, loving her. Can't take nobody loving her the way we WERE"
The word "were" is of course past tense it revealed again that he was singing of a love from the past but applying it to the future. Which in fact goes in line with the theory of this thread.
Another treat for you, go to the thread titled: New Pic of MJ at Bel Air, go to page number 10 and look at first photo of Michael with the blue surgical cap on. The left hand is revealed. Look closey at it and tell me what you think?

[Pua]

Another treat for you, go to the thread titled: New Pic of MJ at Bel Air, go to page number 10 and look at first photo of Michael with the blue surgical cap on. The left hand is revealed. Look closey at it and tell me what you think?

Interesting observation, and not sure what to make of it. But, I guess if there is a special someone and when the time is right he'll let the world know if he chooses.

[TialovesMJ]

Im right here Moddie :) :flowers:

wow..i have to go back and look at the pic. of MJ and his left hand..is it a ring :wub:??*goes to look* :P

[Moddie777]

Interesting observation, and not sure what to make of it. But, I guess if there is a special someone and when the time is right he'll let the world know if he chooses.


Yep! It is interesting isn't it? You saw it too then, huh?

[Moddie777]

Im right here Moddie :) :flowers:

wow..i have to go back and look at the pic. of MJ and his left hand..is it a ring :wub:??*goes to look* :P


yeah!!!!!! There you are! haven't seen you in what seemed like ages!!!!!!!

You gotta look at that pic and tell us what you think!

[TialovesMJ]

hehe yup it sure has :)

I looked at the picture, but i can't figure it out at all?? All i see on his left hand is a wedding ring mark on his ring finger? Thats my guess, i don't know though!

[Moddie777]

hehe yup it sure has :)

I looked at the picture, but i can't figure it out at all?? All i see on his left hand is a wedding ring mark on his ring finger? Thats my guess, i don't know though!



BINGO! BINGO! You got it!!!!!!!!! His ring finger on left hand reveals the mark of a ring haven been there recently,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[TialovesMJ]

BINGO! BINGO! You got it!!!!!!!!! His ring finger on left hand reveals the mark of a ring haven been there recently,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


yup it looks fresh too. So hmmm!! i guess lets see then!! :yes:

[Moddie777]

It's amazing how Michael reveals things to us and he probably aint even trying, lol.

Can't wait for the new material.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ haha I know right!! He could possibly be giving us clues without knowing lol!!Lets hope that is the case though...

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys! I know I haven't been on much lately and I do need to finish the meeting MJ story, but I wanted to let you know that I have posted something new. It's something about MJ's song "Heal The World." If you'd like to read it, here's a link to it. I'd love to get your feedback.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60018

[Sdeidjs]

Hi you guys! I know I haven't been on much lately and I do need to finish the meeting MJ story, but I wanted to let you know that I have posted something new. It's something about MJ's song "Heal The World." If you'd like to read it, here's a link to it. I'd love to get your feedback.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60018

:angel:

[mizzneneluvzmj]

Hello stateofshock!!!!!!! Miss seeing you here!

Now here's a good question for anyone, where is MJbabe21, she is soooooo sweet. I miss her too?

About The Song, "Heaven can wait", (i haven't listened to it in ages) but I think your brief analysis of it was on the mark.

Whether he wrote all or any of the lyrics to it or not, you can tell by the way he emphasis most words that the lyrics he sings hold some kind of valid and personal meaning to him.
Seasoned & very gifted artist can do this with songs they never had any input in the creation of, but Michael has told us, he doesn't sing anything he doesn't mean. He has said, the truth is in his music. I remember him saying one time (or maybe 2), that everything is in his music.
"Heaven can wait" is about a heavenly love affair with a woman who is so special to him, he doesn't want to die and leave her behind, becuase he doesn't want to look down from the heavenly skies and see her in the arms of another. He sings something like, "I'll turn it all around and get back to my baby girl, can't stand nobody kissing, touching, loving her. Can't take nobody loving her the way we WERE"
The word "were" is of course past tense it revealed again that he was singing of a love from the past but applying it to the future. Which in fact goes in line with the theory of this thread.
Another treat for you, go to the thread titled: New Pic of MJ at Bel Air, go to page number 10 and look at first photo of Michael with the blue surgical cap on. The left hand is revealed. Look closey at it and tell me what you think?



maaaaan they got deleted!!! :( will you please send them to me???? i wanna see it!!! lol are anyone reading help!! lol

[Ape]

Can anything be inferred from the Rose on fire and the two phoenix's rising out in the barren branches? Or the ropes or what not on his pants and the rose and dragon on the right and some other thing on the left leg (a bird of some sort I think). Hmmm... Two birds? I haven't put much thought into it but I know you guys could come up with some good stuff. Moddie? You are really good at researching meanings to things. Do you think the two birds on his jacket could relate at all to his poem? What's the significance of a burning rose? So if a rose signifies love, does a burning rose signify burning love? So the phoenix's rise up out of burning love?

I'm just brainstorming here. Feel free to take over, anyone. It's the little bit that he's given us in photos lately, other than a Zorro mask and teal...and I guess the beautiful jewelry.

[AllForMJ]

MJ seems to enjoy making people use their minds. Like he loves giving people something to think about. There is nothing superficial about him, so I guess he can't help doing that. It seems to come naturally. *smile*

Several years ago, I ran across a picture of him where it looked like he was doing the hand gesture that says, "Think...use your mind." He was sitting outdoors in a chair and it looked like he was lightly tapping on the side of his head. I guess it shouldn't be surprising to see him taking a picture doing that hand gesture since he's such a hard worker and deep thinker. Much of his energy seems to go into making things better...finding ways to improve things.

Speaking of his energy, I will try to describe his aura to you guys when we go back on our trip down memory lane. I've never felt anything like it until I met him. Like everything else about MJ, it's gonna take some thinking. That man is so deep. Isn't it nice that he is a recording artist?

I just love me some Michael Joseph Jackson! :wub:

[mizzneneluvzmj]

MJ seems to enjoy making people use their minds. Like he loves giving people something to think about. There is nothing superficial about him, so I guess he can't help doing that. It seems to come naturally. *smile*

Several years ago, I ran across a picture of him where it looked like he was doing the hand gesture that says, "Think...use your mind." He was sitting outdoors in a chair and it looked like he was lightly tapping on the side of his head. I guess it shouldn't be surprising to see him taking a picture doing that hand gesture since he's such a hard worker and deep thinker. Much of his energy seems to go into making things better...finding ways to improve things.

Speaking of his energy, I will try to describe his aura to you guys when we go back on our trip down memory lane. I've never felt anything like it until I met him. Like everything else about MJ, it's gonna take some thinking. That man is so deep. Isn't it nice that he is a recording artist?

I just love me some Michael Joseph Jackson! :wub:

wait...u met michael!!??!?
do tell.....

[AllForMJ]

Another treat for you, go to the thread titled: New Pic of MJ at Bel Air, go to page number 10 and look at first photo of Michael with the blue surgical cap on. The left hand is revealed. Look closey at it and tell me what you think?
Aaaaawwww, I missed it! What's goin' on in that picture?!

[AllForMJ]

wait...u met michael!!??!?
do tell.....
Uh-huh! I've been describing it in detail in the thread. It's probably like over 10 or so pages back. LOL I'll have to search it to see where the posts are. I've been spacing it out and calling it the trip down memory lane.

[mizzneneluvzmj]

Uh-huh! I've been describing it in detail in the thread. It's probably like over 10 or so pages back. LOL I'll have to search it to see where the posts are. I've been spacing it out and calling it the trip down memory lane.

well maybe you could just message me and tell me about it...that is SO cool!...i would love to share with you your trip down memory lane

[AllForMJ]

Can anything be inferred from the Rose on fire and the two phoenix's rising out in the barren branches? Or the ropes or what not on his pants and the rose and dragon on the right and some other thing on the left leg (a bird of some sort I think). Hmmm... Two birds? I haven't put much thought into it but I know you guys could come up with some good stuff. Moddie? You are really good at researching meanings to things. Do you think the two birds on his jacket could relate at all to his poem? What's the significance of a burning rose? So if a rose signifies love, does a burning rose signify burning love? So the phoenix's rise up out of burning love?

I'm just brainstorming here. Feel free to take over, anyone. It's the little bit that he's given us in photos lately, other than a Zorro mask and teal...and I guess the beautiful jewelry.
That last outfit he had on was very, very colorful, wasn't it?

Yeah, go for it, Moddie! Break it down for us girls!

:cheers:

[Moddie777]

Trying to figure out which pictures Ape is talking about? Can someone show me?

Oh, AllForMJ, about the pic with his left hand showing; The ring finger look like it has a fresh "dark" Ring Mark?

[AllForMJ]

Ohhhh, the ring finger. Great stuff!! :)

[TialovesMJ]

to me,the mark on his ring finger looked fresh...

[Ape]

Here you are Moddie :) http://mjjpictures.free.fr/20062008/various/beverlyhills_3/007.jpg

and http://mjjpictures.free.fr/20062008/various/beverlyhills_3/008.jpg


These set of photos :).

How fun everyone is in here again.

[Moddie777]

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!! I need some shades, these hurting my eyes, Lol.

Thanks for the pics Ape, I had just seen them in that other thread, I need a few minutes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[TialovesMJ]

:lol:..... yeah he has colorful clothes on for sure!

[Moddie777]

There's alot going on with these designs. They seem to be perfectly made to speak autobiographically for Michael. Let me try and show you:

First the back of the jacket. Amazing. What do we see first? The Blossoming Red Rose with Fire emerging. Perfectly centered behind it is a burning Sun with Rays. What does a Red Rose symbolize? Romance and Love. Fire coming from it can signify a '' Burning" and "Heated" love which indicates lust, yearnings, and sensuality. How the designer and/or Michael's present feelings are being revealed with this image.

The Sun perfectly centered behind it: Meaning of Sun- The star around which the planets revolve, from which they recieve heat and light. The Rays beaming from Michael's sun are Gold/yellow= light, Red= heat.

Light-guidance, Direction, Godly, spiritual

Heat-lust, love, sensuality, sexuality

Together these symbols could mean, A Deep Spiritual and Romantic Love that burns with passion giving direction and Guidance.

[Moddie777]

Now for the Bottoms/Pants: I instantly was drawn to the Never Ending Ropes and trying to find an ending and start, but thats difficult to decipher with this design. They are all entertwined and enterlocked with the other. 2 different pattern's of rope locked together. Could represent the difference between man and woman.

Dragons are a mythical creatures( remember the unicorns, here we go again with mythology and MJ), Words that generally apply( i googled it) to dragons are: Couarge, Strength, Protectors.

The Designer and/or Michael could be symbolizing: An awareness of courage and strength to protect himself, and the love he holds so passionately.

If you look very closely at the picture Ape posted of his back ( can't remember if its the first one or bottom one, look at the left shoulder. In the correct picture look diagonally from the letter "T" from mjjpictures.com. Remember, you are looking from the T to his left shoulder. Do you see that? What does that look like to you?

[Ape]

Very nice descriptions and interpretations Moddie :) awesome! Something else that a friend of mine pointed out to me after I wrote the post about it is that it is a "hearth stemming from the rose (that) could, indeed, point to burning love..or rather comforting love, because the hearth symbolizes romanticism, as well as sheer warmth, as opposed to a scorching one. The rose is not burned, but lit like a candle by the benefactory fire of love..Hearth is also the symbol of hospitality and openness.."

I don't think that this person would mind me sharing that. I thought it was quite insightful as well. I think it goes nicely with what you have said there as well Moddie.

Thank you for adding your insight to it.

Edit: Moddie are you talking about what could be a face? It looks sort of like it could be. Or the other Phoenix?

[Moddie777]

You hit the nail right on the head again Ape!!!!!!!!!

A face! It not only look like any face but a more feminine one!

Your eyes are sharp ape!

[Ape]

:) Thank you Moddie. Sometimes I think people (myself included) get shy sharing things for fear of how they may be perceived, or of being thought of as foolish. Interpretations of things can be very personal rather than subjective, and can start to mean lots to the people sharing. Thank you for making people feel good about sharing their thoughts and opinions and interpretations.

I would love to see that outfit plainly in photos. It looks packed with symbolism, but some is hidden. I wonder what is on the front.

[Moddie777]

Awwwwww you are very welcome Ape. Interpretating in this particular way can leave one open and very vunerable to attacks and insults from within our very own community. I wouldn't mind the attacks if other's as they wag their tongue's to spew harsh words against us or our descriptions could only think unselfishly of Michael if only for a moment.

I do believe that those of us who are regularly participating in this thread albeit through interpretations or a kind supportive word to the interpretators are among the most selfless MJ's fans on the planet.

Beside's that we are romantics. Gotta love a romantic.

[Ape]

Romantics for sure. I gotta live vicariously through him and his romantic adventures..lol. Or anyone with a romantic story. It's nice to indulge in sometimes. I guess Valentine's day brought this back to life? and rekindled the romantic in all of us?

[TialovesMJ]

Im not seeing any face at all? where at.. i dont see it on his left shoulder? :unsure:

[Moddie777]

It's the second pic Ape posted. The picture revealing his left arms and the blue surgical mask in his left hand.

Look at his left shoulder, diagonally from the letter, T.

[TialovesMJ]

Ohhh i see it now , Thanks :) . yeah it does look like a womens face :yes:

[Moddie777]

Ya know I was just thinking, the very flashy and colorful outfit could possibly have been the designers and Michael's way of getting into the mood of Valentine's Day? hence the blossoming Red Rose on his back and pant leg. These photo's came the 10th right? Last year, what romantic gesture did he share around the same time? He released T25 with the added bridge to "For all time" on 2/12/08. Keeping with the theme?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe.

[Poefiend]

stares.... LOL

[AllForMJ]

Ya know I was just thinking, the very flashy and colorful outfit could possibly have been the designers and Michael's way of getting into the mood of Valentine's Day? hence the blossoming Red Rose on his back and pant leg. These photo's came the 10th right? Last year, what romantic gesture did he share around the same time? He released T25 with the added bridge to "For all time" on 2/12/08. Keeping with the theme?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe.
Yeah, it could be his way of getting in the mood of Valentine's Day. Maybe the huge rose was his way of giving her another rose, like he did with the handwritten note. Also, dressing colorful could go with his song, "You Are So Beautiful." In "You Are So Beautiful" he said, "you are so colorful." He also said, "you are all that I am" so maybe that's the reason for having two phoenixes. :D

Hey, isn't it funny how that last time you did your interpretation on the brooches you were pointing out the two identical unicorns and now he's wearing something with two identical birds? LOL

And going back to "For All Time," he did say, "two hearts belong so well."

[mjroxworld]

Pheonixes...hmm see my avatar.........I've had that one for a long time now..........I use it for a reason.......

[Pua]

^Are you trying to tell us something? :blink:


:popcorn::lol:

[mjroxworld]

^Are you trying to tell us something? :blink:


:popcorn::lol:

;)

Makes you think, doesn't it?

I love coming to this thread. :)

;)

[AllForMJ]

:popcorn: :lol:

[mjroxworld]

Enjoy your popcorn, everyone, cause you're gonna need it! ;)

[mysterygirl7]

don't mean to spoil anything here.. lol BUT the clothes from Christian Augidier, which are designed with the Ed Hardy look, all have these kind of symbols, cause tatoos are used on the design.. just wanted to add that.. so I think MJ could have chosen most Ed Hardy stuff.. and he would have gotten a heart of a rose..
Still like that you try to come up with theories.. it's fun..

[Moddie777]

don't mean to spoil anything here.. lol BUT the clothes from Christian Augidier, which are designed with the Ed Hardy look, all have these kind of symbols, cause tatoos are used on the design.. just wanted to add that.. so I think MJ could have chosen most Ed Hardy stuff.. and he would have gotten a heart of a rose..
Still like that you try to come up with theories.. it's fun..


We recognize this mysterygirl7, Thanks for your input though.

[Moddie777]

Yeah, it could be his way of getting in the mood of Valentine's Day. Maybe the huge rose was his way of giving her another rose, like he did with the handwritten note. Also, dressing colorful could go with his song, "You Are So Beautiful." In "You Are So Beautiful" he said, "you are so colorful." He also said, "you are all that I am" so maybe that's the reason for having two phoenixes. :D

Hey, isn't it funny how that last time you did your interpretation on the brooches you were pointing out the two identical unicorns and now he's wearing something with two identical birds? LOL

And going back to "For All Time," he did say, "two hearts belong so well."


Two=pair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Michael seems to be constantly drawn to things we've been exploring in this thread.

[Sdeidjs]

I came across this reflection and thought it was very appropiate for this thread...

"From every human being there rises a light that reaches straight to heaven, and when two souls that are destined to be together find each other, the streams of light flow together and a single brighter light goes forth from that united being."

Ba'al Shem Tov
Author

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth...Education Is The Key~~~

[AllForMJ]

Trust

As I was feeding squirrels in the park, I noticed a small one that didn't seem to trust me. While the others came close enough to eat out of my hand, he kept his distance. I threw a peanut his way. He edged up, grabbed it nervously, and ran off. Next time he must have felt less afraid, because he came a little closer. The safer he felt, the more he trusted me. Finally he sat right at my feet, as bold as any squirrel clamoring for the next peanut.

Trust is like that -- it always seems to come down to trusting in yourself. Others can't overcome fear for you; you have to do it on your own. It's hard, because fear and doubt hold on tight. We are afraid of being rejected, of being hurt once more. So we keep a safe distance. We think separating ourselves from others will protect us, but that doesn't work, either. It leaves us feeling alone and unloved.

Trusting yourself begins by recognizing that it's okay to be afraid. Having fear is not the problem, because everyone feels anxious and insecure sometimes. The problem is not being honest enough to admit your fear. Whenever I accept my own doubt and insecurity, I'm more open to other people. The deeper I go into myself, the stronger I become, because I realize that my real self is much bigger than any fear.

In accepting yourself completely, trust becomes complete. There is no longer any separation between people, because there is no longer any separation inside. In the space where fear used to live, love is allowed to grow.

******************

With the way that MJ went from releasing love songs in 2001 that were centered on disappointment, to the way that he's now releasing love songs that are doing quite the opposite, it seems like his feelings for his lady friend grew much like what he's saying in the above poem. Everything that he's now saying in his love songs shows there is a strong feeling of trust.

We can feel his trust in "Beautiful Girl" which is a song about being in love. We can also feel his trust in "For All Time" which is a song about being together as well as being in love.

[mjroxworld]

^Are you trying to tell us something? :blink:


:popcorn::lol:

Am I??

The mystery has to unfold sooner or later, through her and Michael's own doing.


What does a phoenix say to you?

[Ape]

A rebirth of sorts. The Phoenix has often been associated with Michael Jackson for as long back as I have been a fan anyways. I hadn't noticed it before I referred to him as a phoenix once in the chatroom, but after I said it, I saw it everywhere. That is not to say that I was the one who came up with a unique idea of thinking of Michael as a Phoenix, (though I did come up with it for me, since I hadn't seen anyone else use that reference before). I just never noticed the references to it before I said it, but did notice it all over after.

It just suits him.

So I guess this, to me, could signify that there are two phoenix's. Two people who have gone through hell and come back stronger for it. Could be him and a significant other. It's possible. Could be the same hell, same reason for it, or each their own, separate from the other and separate reasons for it in their lives. I don't know if it is a matter of seeing what we want to see, or if there is actual significance to this stuff.

At any rate, it does indeed make one think.,,and I like thinking, so that's good.

But MJrox world... are you saying YOU are the other phoenix? Or are you just pointing out that you see him as one. ;)

Edit: oh hey... speaking of avatars. Look at mine and his outfit! They Match!! hehehe...and no, I'm not trying to tell anyone anything, I just noticed it and thought it was cool. Purty

[Pua]

^Dang Ape thanks for answering the phoenix question I was about to start typing and I saw your response :lol:


Some thoughts I had.....Do people really want to find the answers and have the mystery completely unfold? Isn't waiting to see what comes next part of the romance, imagination and intrigue? Is there truly a mystery to all of this after all? What about the ring finger?

The interpretations in this thread are interesting and who knows but like I said in the girlfriend thread, I think some things you have to hold sacred and if he chooses someday he'll let the world know, if not that's ok too. :)

Now back to lurking :popcorn:

:lol:

[AllForMJ]

What's sweet is, although MJ is keeping her under tight wraps, he is not hiding his feelings about her. His feelings about her are coming out in the newest love songs and his demeanor.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

:yes: :popcorn:

[Ape]

Pua, I wish you would do more than just lurk in this thread because when you do say something, it really adds to it. BTW, I agree with you, though there are times when I wish the mystery was solved and we could wrap the thread up ;) Though no, it's not our business, and so it's fine if we never know.

[mjroxworld]

I am just saying what I am saying. The two of them have to do the unfolding, in their own time, at their own pace. There's lots of speculation around...Michael's been obvious lately though not saying a darn word...he very often says things without saying a word (as AllForMJ vouches for)...don't you think that maybe he has been unfolding things for his fans for quite some time now? On purpose?

As far as the phoenix is concerned, rebirth is absolutely right. Michael himself is a phoenix. He rises from the ashes time and again, never to be conquered. My avatar speaks of me. I am a phoenix. My avatar, my lyrics, my life, is akin to a phoenix. The phoenix has wings, and so do I. So do butterflies, and angels, etc. And now I can use my wings and FLY!

We know from Michael's lyrics that his lady must represent one, herself. Because his lyrics suggest that she's been in and out of his life for a very long time. But it seems that now she's there to stay. She HAS to have a very strong, independent, free, rebirthing spirit if she is to be his.

This entire thread is full of speculation. Sometimes we dream. But what if almost everything in those speculations were true? What if you really were seeing everything MJ meant for you to see? That's an amazing thought. Because you'd be hitting the nail on the head in regards to his relationship, and really finding out more about her than you thought. Just because she isn't named in his speeches, poems, or lyrics (or is she?), doesn't mean you don't know what kind of person she is. After 158 pages in this thread, is she still a mystery, or do you feel like you know her? Any fan knows, she must be one special lady if she is to capture and keep Michael's heart.

[Ape]

I liked that posts MJrox :) *thumbs up*

[mjroxworld]

Thanks Ape. You've been a blast to talk to.

But now it's time for nighty-night. So.....

Spokeny-noche'!

[Ape]

Lithuanian? :D cool. I had to search google translator to find out the meaning :)

So now looking closer at that jacket.. Someone said it looks more like a flower, and now that I am looking, yes it does, but also like a bird and a flower behind it. I really can't tell now. I am really starting to like the jacket though, and the pants. I was looking through Christians site to see if I could see it clearer and it is obviously a new design. Perhaps a test design? Anyways, I love the idea. You wear your tattoo. It can be as meaningful for you, but instead of having to get something permanent on your skin, you wear it on your clothes. Very cool idea really. It changes how I look at the clothing.

Goodnight to you MJrox. I might be heading there soon myself.

edit: a quote that is very true
" Phoenix Bird tells us that whenever you shoot yourself again onto a right path, after the spiral of the failures, you will find the victorious strength in your wings that the ordinary bird, sleeping in it's nest, will never ever be able to even imagine."

author~ Priyanka Teredesai


http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u17/morellewv/phoenix_1600.jpg



I got going on a tangent here..... It may not have anything to do with the thread but it is beautiful nonetheless.
William Shakespeare
The Phoenix and the Turtle
Let the bird of loudest lay,
On the sole Arabian tree,
Herald sad and trumpet be,
To whose sound chaste wings obey.

But thou, shrieking harbinger,
Foul pre-currer of the fiend,
Augur of the fever's end,
To this troop come thou not near.

From this session interdict
Every fowl of tyrant wing,
Save the eagle, feather'd king:
Keep the obsequy so strict.

Let the priest in surplice white,
That defunctive music can,
Be the death-divining swan,
Lest the requiem lack his right.

And thou, treble-dated crow,
That thy sable gender mak'st
With the breath thou giv'st and tak'st,
'Mongst our mourners shalt thou go.

Here the anthem doth commence:
Love and constancy is dead;
Phoenix and the turtle fled
In a mutual flame from hence.

So they lov'd, as love in twain
Had the essence but in one;
Two distincts, division none:
Number there in love was slain.

Hearts remote, yet not asunder;
Distance, and no space was seen
'Twixt the turtle and his queen;
But in them it were a wonder.

So between them love did shine,
That the turtle saw his right
Flaming in the phoenix' sight:
Either was the other's mine.

Property was thus appall'd,
That the self was not the same;
Single nature's double name
Neither two nor one was call'd.

Reason, in itself confounded,
Saw division grow together;
To themselves yet either-neither,
Simple were so well compounded

That it cried how true a twain
Seemeth this concordant one!
Love hath reason, reason none
If what parts can so remain.

Whereupon it made this threne
To the phoenix and the dove,
Co-supreme and stars of love;
As chorus to their tragic scene.

THRENOS.
Beauty, truth, and rarity.
Grace in all simplicity,
Here enclos'd in cinders lie.

Death is now the phoenix' nest;
And the turtle's loyal breast
To eternity doth rest,

Leaving no posterity:--
'Twas not their infirmity,
It was married chastity.

Truth may seem, but cannot be:
Beauty brag, but 'tis not she;
Truth and beauty buried be.

To this urn let those repair
That are either true or fair;
For these dead birds sigh a prayer.

http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/nec/gillham22.htm is an interesting write up about it, where it talks of the parallels between this poem and Song of Solomon from the bible.

When it comes to Shakespeare's allocation of the sexes in his poem, that is to say, his making the Phoenix take over the role of bride [page 132] and the Turtle that of groom, yet another and even more venerable source than the De causis plantarum comes into view. This is the Song of Solomon, where the phoenix, meaning "palm-tree," figures as bride and the turtle as groom. The groom compares his bride to a palmtree (Φοινιξ [phoinix] in the Septuagint):
How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
This thy stature is like to the palm tree (Φοινιξ [phoinix]), and thy breasts, to clusters of grapes.
I said, I will go up to the palm tree, and will take hold of its boughs;
(Cant. 7:6-8)
This is far from being the only parallel between P&T and the Song of Solomon. There is an equally striking, if hidden, example in Cant. 2:14:
O my dove, who art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
This verse is, however, somewhat ambiguous. It is syntactically uncertain whether the bride in the preceding verses is meant to be repeating the words of the groom or whether she is actually addressing him in direct speech. Accordingly, two ways of mystical exegesis have been offered. On the one hand the dove may be identified with the bride and becomes then either a symbol of the church or of the individual soul.31 (http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/nec/gillham22.htm#31.)
There is, however, another interpretation according to which the bridegroom is the dove meaning Christ. This interpretation is referred to in the chapter on the turtle-dove in the Physiologus:
This bird may be compared to our Lord Jesus Christ, for he is our chattering spiritual turtle-dove, the truly sweet and melodious bird, that in preaching the gospel has made resound what is below the heavens. Therefore, the bride herself, that is the church of all people, says to the turtle: "Let me see your countenance, let me hear your voice, for your voice is sweet, and your countenance is comely." (Cant. 2:14)32 (http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/nec/gillham22.htm#32.)
The ambiguous allocation of sexes in the Song of Solomon (the phoenix is meant to be the bride only,33 (http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/nec/gillham22.htm#33.) but the turtle may mean both, bride and groom) may provide a background setting off some of the seeming [page 133] inconsistencies of P&T. It could, for example, help interpret what tends to be the neutralization of opposites between male and female:


The "turtle" is a turtle dove, which is an interesting bird. A bird that would suit this thread.


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The turtledove has only one mate, to which it is always faithful; if that mate should die, it will never take another, and will thereafter never sit on anything green. Turtledoves always sit in the desert, but sometimes come to the gardens of the poor and to laborer's fields to gather seeds. In winter when they moult they live in hollow trees. They love solitude. To protect its young from wolves, the turtledove spreads squill leaves over its nest, which it builds in soft and delightful places.

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The turtledove signifies the holy church, which remained faithful to Christ after his death. The Aberdeen Bestiary (http://bestiary.ca/manuscripts/manu100.htm) interprets the turtledove's refusal to take a second mate differently: "Learn, you women, how great is the grace of widowhood, when it is proclaimed even among the birds."
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[Ape]

cont. cause I feel like it....

Now nothing I say here right now has much if any relevance to Michael but this happens sometimes when one follows a thought all over the place. Earlier on today I was looking up one of the old presidents. The 15th one. James Buchanan who was said to be the worst president of all time, but what was sad to me was the story of his love life. He was much like the turtle dove. Before he was president, rumours ran rampant about his infidelity and his desire to marry his fiance only because of her money. Because he was busy with work, he didn't have the time he should have taken to court her properly and she ended up believing the rumours after he had gone to visit the wife of a friend, she ended their engagement, and died shortly after due to what was said to be hysteria because of the stress and heartache.
His fiancée's death struck Buchanan. In a letter to her father – which was returned to him unopened — Buchanan said, "It is now no time for explanation, but the time will come when you will discover that she, as well as I, have been much abused. God forgive the authors of it.... I may sustain the shock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_reaction) of her death, but I feel that happiness has fled from me forever."<sup id="cite_ref-AH_9-1" class="reference">[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan#cite_note-AH-9)</sup> The Coleman family became bitter towards Buchanan and denied him a place at Ann's funeral.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan#cite_note-10)</sup> Buchanan vowed he would never marry, though he continued to be flirtatious, and some pressed him to seek a wife. In response he said, "Marry he could not, for his affections were buried in the grave." He preserved Ann Coleman's letters, keeping them with him throughout his life, and requested that they be burned upon his death.[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan#cite_note-AH-9)Also interesting to note that

On the day before his death, he predicted that "history will vindicate my memory". Nevertheless, historians continue to emphasize his failure to deal with secession. Historians in both 2006 and 2009 voted his failure to deal with secession the worst presidential mistake ever made.I thought this was very sad and I wonder what the rest of his life was like and what the truth behind the history of this president was.
http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/buchanan/essays/biography/2?print

Oh I was wrong, his fiancee died before he became president. He's related to me somehow, that's why I decided to read up on him. He sounds very much like the rest of us in our family. He was against slavery but ... well that sounds complicated what happened there. He thought the abolitionists movement were full of trouble makers apparently.

There are stories of people in my family taking quite bold stands against the treatment of black people in the south. My grandmother was one of them, and when my grandfather and her were there for a tour he was in (he was a musician..I guess famous in the big band era as a trombonist) my grandmother was furious over the treatment she saw and tried to stop a police from beating on a black man. I don't know the whole story but there were a few. I guess she loved and hated the area.

Well this is what happens when I stay up too late when I'm tired. I know it's not to do with this thread, but I figured that we could use something to read in here, and since I found it all interesting, maybe someone else might as well.


Oh yes, I had a point here that I forgot to try to make. It seems that even way back in the early 1800's gossip had a way of ruining people and their love. If love means enough to a person, it can ruin that person by ruining that love. Which wasn't the point I was thinking of.. But I just thought there were similarities to how it sounded his life was, to how Michael's life is with knowing Michael is a wonderful man, and how rumours and meddling people had taken away his good name and tarnished it. I wondered if maybe, especially because of what he said before dying, I wondered if maybe that happened to James Buchanan as well, because if he knew the truth to things, he would have thought that it would come out after his death. Apparently it hasn't as he is still looked at as being the worst president. It seems a shame.

Now after reading all that, I want to read up on the other members of my family (from wayyyyyyyy back and I don't even know how I am related .. in what manner. Just know that they are relatives..ancestors I guess.) and find out about them. It's quite interesting to see the similarities of some parts of the personalities along a line of people.

[mysterygirl7]

We recognize this mysterygirl7, Thanks for your input though.

Sorry if everybody already knew that, if it was obvious.. coming from Europe, I didn't know it untill recently, when I was in a new Ed Hardy shop that opened down my street.. and the guy working there explained me about it..

by the way, they had a long video with Christian Augidier promoting himself.. BIGTIME.. and of cause at the end of that video you see...; His birthday party, with Michael.. the right way to end your promovideo, right? lol .. I had to see it, so I ended up staying in the shop for half an hour.. lol

[Ape]

Hello Mystery. It is interesting isn't it? I just looked all through his designs and this one is unique. Roses and dragons and skulls are common in his themes, but I've only seen birds in a couple, and only the bird on his pants, and they are to do with the "true love" theme. The jacket seems entirely new and unique though recognizable as Ed Hardy's design and Christians clothing.

My brain needs to relax and go to sleep and stop thinking..Lol.. goodnight all.

[mysterygirl7]

Hello Mystery. It is interesting isn't it? I just looked all through his designs and this one is unique. Roses and dragons and skulls are common in his themes, but I've only seen birds in a couple, and only the bird on his pants, and they are to do with the "true love" theme. The jacket seems entirely new and unique though recognizable as Ed Hardy's design and Christians clothing.

My brain needs to relax and go to sleep and stop thinking..Lol.. goodnight all.

Hi Ape :) If you looked it all through, and didn't find it.. then the jacket and the pants could have been designed for MJ.. hmm interesting.. and kind of cool also..

Sorry, if I stated the obvious again..

[mjroxworld]

Hi Ape :) If you looked it all through, and didn't find it.. then the jacket and the pants could have been designed for MJ.. hmm interesting.. and kind of cool also..

Sorry, if I stated the obvious again..

That was in my mind as well.

And Ape, I don't know Lithuanian, but I do know a little Russian. But since it is an Eastern European language they are similar. I've been around the world just a few times by now and have picked up on several languages on the way and use Russian somewhat regularly to speak with some friends I have both here and abroad. And a little German, and a little Romanian, and a little Spanish, and a little of this that and the other language.

Privyet! Kagdyela? Kak tibya zavoot? Patom, dasvidanya.

[Ape]

It's all lost on me until I use google translator. I only know English. But when I tried translating it said it was Lithuanian for "Spoken - night".

[mjroxworld]

It's all lost on me until I use google translator. I only know English. But when I tried translating it said it was Lithuanian for "Spoken - night".

lol that's fine :) Spokeny noche' = Good night or Good sleep
I also said, "Hello! How are you? What is your name? Later, goodbye."
Anyway this thread isn't about languages.

It's about MJ...in love...and all those clues he keeps giving his fans...*sigh*

AllForMJ, you've started one of the best threads I have ever seen and been a participant of. Thanks! Now where's the rest of your story????? Poor Michael is cold, and it's getting on dinner time!


Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go watch cartoons with the kids. Later gaters!

[mjroxworld]

btw I REALLY liked that phoenix-cloud picture you posted. That was awesome.

[Sdeidjs]

btw I REALLY liked that phoenix-cloud picture you posted. That was awesome.

:angel:Absolutely Breathtaking

[Moddie777]

I am just saying what I am saying. The two of them have to do the unfolding, in their own time, at their own pace. There's lots of speculation around...Michael's been obvious lately though not saying a darn word...he very often says things without saying a word (as AllForMJ vouches for)...don't you think that maybe he has been unfolding things for his fans for quite some time now? On purpose?

As far as the phoenix is concerned, rebirth is absolutely right. Michael himself is a phoenix. He rises from the ashes time and again, never to be conquered. My avatar speaks of me. I am a phoenix. My avatar, my lyrics, my life, is akin to a phoenix. The phoenix has wings, and so do I. So do butterflies, and angels, etc. And now I can use my wings and FLY!

We know from Michael's lyrics that his lady must represent one, herself. Because his lyrics suggest that she's been in and out of his life for a very long time. But it seems that now she's there to stay. She HAS to have a very strong, independent, free, rebirthing spirit if she is to be his.

This entire thread is full of speculation. Sometimes we dream. But what if almost everything in those speculations were true? What if you really were seeing everything MJ meant for you to see? That's an amazing thought. Because you'd be hitting the nail on the head in regards to his relationship, and really finding out more about her than you thought. Just because she isn't named in his speeches, poems, or lyrics (or is she?), doesn't mean you don't know what kind of person she is. After 158 pages in this thread, is she still a mystery, or do you feel like you know her? Any fan knows, she must be one special lady if she is to capture and keep Michael's heart.


A thought provoking Masterpiece (imo)!!!!!!!!!!

[mizzneneluvzmj]

Hi you guys,

I was over at the Jackson Family forum and ran across this. Looks MJ and Janet collaborated on Janet's song "Can't B Good." It was posted by blueocean on 7/14/08.

Warning: MJ sounds gooooood. Really good. Delicious. He's opening the song the same way he did "Someone Put Your Hand Out." :wub: Then, he and Janet are trading off throughout the song. I have Janet's CD. I can tell this is a new version because the adlibs are different He's added his own.

Between 1:38 and 1:44 he says, "What's goin' on? What's happening to me?" Then Janet says "Promised myself I would never let this be." Around 2:52 they both say "Oooo, I think I'm falling in love again." Then, around 3:01 he says, "I tell myself I never would."

He sounds oh so sweet. This is one of those songs where you sit down, dim the lights and just listen. Nothing sounds more beautiful than Michael Jackson in love.

Enjoy.

:flowers:




question? i was reading the info and the link says that the person who posted it slowed down the song to show us how much janet sounds like mj..so i mean is it really mj or just janet's voice slowed down like the person said?

[AllForMJ]

question? i was reading the info and the link says that the person who posted it slowed down the song to show us how much janet sounds like mj..so i mean is it really mj or just janet's voice slowed down like the person said?
Hi mizzneneluvzmj, since it's really hard to tell if it's MJ singing his sister's song or not, we've decided to say it's not him.

I would love to hear him sing it though. He would sound so sexy and I'm sure he could sing it with no problem at all. :wub:

[mizzneneluvzmj]

Hi mizzneneluvzmj, since it's really hard to tell if it's MJ singing his sister's song or not, we've decided to say it's not him.

I would love to hear him sing it though. He would sound so sexy and I'm sure he could sing it with no problem at all. :wub:

yea his voice is already so smooth and sultery! i would be in heaven!!!
thanks allformj!!!

[AllForMJ]

lol that's fine :) Spokeny noche' = Good night or Good sleep
I also said, "Hello! How are you? What is your name? Later, goodbye."
Anyway this thread isn't about languages.

It's about MJ...in love...and all those clues he keeps giving his fans...*sigh*

AllForMJ, you've started one of the best threads I have ever seen and been a participant of. Thanks! Now where's the rest of your story????? Poor Michael is cold, and it's getting on dinner time!


Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go watch cartoons with the kids. Later gaters!
Wow, that's coooooool! And as for the limo door... hahahahahahehehehehe...
I have got to let that man get on the road, huh?! That is like the longest stop in history. Have you ever seen anyone sit in a parking lot that long with the door open? :lol:

Hey, Mike. Are you ready to roll? :tease: :giggle:

[AllForMJ]

well maybe you could just message me and tell me about it...that is SO cool!...i would love to share with you your trip down memory lane
Here are links to the details that I've posted so far, mizz.

Post #1654
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=111

Post #1827
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=122

When we go back on our trip down memory lane, I will pick up at the end of post 1827...

*waving*

[mizzneneluvzmj]

Here are links to the details that I've posted so far, mizz.

Post #1654
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=111

Post #1827
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=122

When we go back on our trip down memory lane, I will pick up at the end of post 1827...

*waving*

lol thanks so much!
oh but that maybe hard to find! lol could you post the links again when you do?

oh and i just got thru reading them!! man! you put so much emotion into your story!!! or should i say memory ..story isnt the rite word! lol its as if i was rite there!! omg! especially the part when your cousins were to afraid to go to his limo!!! i felt that same feeling in my guts while readin that part! lol it was so cool! maybe one day ill be lucky enough to share my experience having met mj...maybe....

[mjroxworld]

Wow, that's coooooool! And as for the limo door... hahahahahahehehehehe...
I have got to let that man get on the road, huh?! That is like the longest stop in history. Have you ever seen anyone sit in a parking lot that long with the door open? :lol:

Hey, Mike. Are you ready to roll? :tease: :giggle:

Let's roll! Ease on down the road! Parking lots are boring. Shut the limo door, and let's roll. You and MJ got some 'splainin' to do!

[Joyce]

I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk

[Sdeidjs]

I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk

No, sounds like his nephews 3T

[Joyce]

I didn't think it sounded like his voice, but the melody is beautiful. Thanks.

[LindaC781]

It's not MJ.

[AllForMJ]

I went over to listen to it and got there tooooo late. Youtube took it down and replaced it with, "We're sorry, this video is no longer available." Oh well, better luck next time. Hope I get a next time.

What was the song called?

[LindaC781]

I went over to listen to it and got there tooooo late. Youtube took it down and replaced it with, "We're sorry, this video is no longer available." Oh well, better luck next time. Hope I get a next time.

What was the song called?

It hasn't been taken down...here's the video...Maybe its the Malachy guy? Or 3T. It's not his voice. This should be taken down...the guy that put this together is misleading others..

<object width="480" height="295">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vCAYY9eyyXk&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></object>

[Moddie777]

I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk


In following with Michael's consitant clues, that include specific song releases that tie in with the theory of this thread, I don't believe we'll be hearing him sing any songs about wanting to be single and alone.

If we are on to something, quit the opposite will be the theme for any MJ song or upcoming release.

[LindaC781]

Okay. I found out who is really singing this!! LOL!! Its Ralph Tresvant and the New Edition...I just knew it wasn't MJ! This is a New Edition song released in 1990~!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF53S41c5kQ

[Pua]

^Woah I just had a teenage flashback to the New Edition "Heartbreak" tour in Oakland :lol:


:popcorn:

[Joyce]

Okay. I found out who is really singing this!! LOL!! Its Ralph Tresvant and the New Edition...I just knew it wasn't MJ! This is a New Edition song released in 1990~!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF53S41c5kQ


Thank You Linda. I guess someone just decided to use that song along with the Michael Jackson Comeback 2009 Title.

[AllForMJ]

It hasn't been taken down...here's the video...Maybe its the Malachy guy? Or 3T. It's not his voice. This should be taken down...the guy that put this together is misleading others..

Thanks LindaC781. I let it play a little bit and yep, it sounds like Ralph.

I can't wait to hear Mike's next love song. When it comes to singing love songs, Mike is the best. :yes:

You know what I did this morning? I listened to "She's Out Of My Life," "Who Is It" and "Don't Walk Away" in that order. Each one of these songs is about breaking up and when you listen to them, you can really tell how much MJ loves women. His tears always start flowing when he sings songs about women leaving.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about losing a woman, trying to sort out his feelings after losing her and not being able to really do anything about losing her. It's just over and he feels so heartbroken.

"Who Is It" is about losing a woman, possibly to another man, and not only does he feel heartbroken but he is totally ticked off about it. But, like in "She's Out Of My Life," he can't do anything about it. She's already gone.

"Don't Walk Away" is about a woman that's getting ready to leave, but this time he's trying to convince the woman not to. He's pleading with her. He switches back and forth between being willing to let her go and not wanting her go; leaving on his own and not wanting to leave.

He's crying in all three of the above songs. He's crying three different ways. The big difference in the last one is that he is crying to the woman this time.

What's sad is that the last one was recorded not too long ago. What's nice, is that he doesn't sound heartbroken when he sings love songs now. He sounds so much more at ease now and he's singing like for once, love did not let him down.

[mjroxworld]

Thanks LindaC781. I let it play a little bit and yep, it sounds like Ralph.

I can't wait to hear Mike's next love song. When it comes to singing love songs, Mike is the best. :yes:

You know what I did this morning? I listened to "She's Out Of My Life," "Who Is It" and "Don't Walk Away" in that order. Each one of these songs is about breaking up and when you listen to them, you can really tell how much MJ loves women. His tears always start flowing when he sings songs about women leaving.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about losing a woman, trying to sort out his feelings after losing her and not being able to really do anything about losing her. It's just over and he feels so heartbroken.

"Who Is It" is about losing a woman, possibly to another man, and not only does he feel heartbroken but he is totally ticked off about it. But, like in "She's Out Of My Life," he can't do anything about it. She's already gone.

"Don't Walk Away" is about a woman that's getting ready to leave, but this time he's trying to convince the woman not to. He's pleading with her. He switches back and forth between being willing to let her go and not wanting her go; leaving on his own and not wanting to leave.

He's crying in all three of the above songs. He's crying three different ways. The big difference in the last one is that he is crying to the woman this time.

What's sad is that the last one was recorded not too long ago. What's nice, is that he doesn't sound heartbroken when he sings love songs now. He sounds so much more at ease now and he's singing like for once, love did not let him down.

Great analysis, right on. :) He begs and pleads w/ his lady not to walk away - AGAIN - and so it would seem, this time she has come back. She's with him for the long haul now, has always loved him but perhaps didn't know how to handle him and his lifestyle.

On the "Off The Wall" CD, Quincy Jones talks about "She's Out of My Life" and how Michael couldn't stop crying during the takes so they kept one of the endings, tears and all. It was authentic, and nobody could for the life of the figure out who could have given him such an emotional upset. They didn't know about any girlfriends he may have had at the time. They were baffled. Let me point something out: MJ was able to hide his relationship with Blanket's mother from the world. NO ONE (except perhaps family) knew about it, and the world was surprised when another baby showed up in his family. This tells me that Michael is good at hiding his relationships. I do not think he ever felt about Brooke or Debbie or Lisa the way he feels about this woman. It is evident that she has been in and out of his life for a long, long time. And he feels so strongly about her, that he has not only been shouting about her from the mountaintops through his music, but at the same time keeping her one of the most well-kept secrets. See, the girl he sings about through "Don't Walk Away" is the self-same girl he sings about in "She's Out of My Life"......... ;)

[Pua]

:popcorn:

[Moddie777]

About the song "Don't walk away". It is in my opinion one of the most sadess and disturbing of Michael's Love Songs.

Here's why but first let me tell you, I haven't listened to it in some ages, lol. But I'll try and explain from memory:
When I first listened to this particular song, I felt it was deeply personal to Michael. He was honest with us about his pain and torment over the lost but he not only revealed his pain and despair about the ending of this relationship with his special secret someone, he also revealed something elese, and when I heard it in the song, because of the tears he openly share and shed; I was completely disturbed and felt utter compassion for him, even though I admit, I was confused at first but fast forward years later, there has been so many clues and other mentions to come out about his life that it started to make a little sense to me.

I know this is hard to follow, but I want you to find it. You need to listen to the song again and listen very. very carefully at the chorus and/or adlibs( can't remember), but in it, Michael reveals the possibility of "why". He doesn't reveal it completely, but he hints as to an explanation of why it's over.
AllForMJ was right, he was going back and forth in this song. His heart was conflicted, it was out of his hands and it seems hers as well.
One tiny sentence in the song explains it and It wouldn't make sense at all WITHOUT the series of things that would take place and be said years later.....................................

Michael reveals a "possible" Clue in this song, can you find it?

[Sdeidjs]

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them..!"

:angel:-Galileo Galilei

[LindaC781]

Okay here are the lyrics:

She's out of my life
She's out of my life
And I don't know whether to laugh or cry
I don't know whether to live or die
And it cuts like a knife
She's out of my life

It's out of my hands
It's out of my hands
To think for two years she was here
And I took her for granted I was so cavalier
Now the way that it stands
She's out of my hands

So I've learned that love's not possession
And I've learned that love won't wait
Now I've learned that love needs expression
But I learned too late

She's out of my life
She's out of my life
Damned indecision and cursed pride
Kept my love for her locked deep inside
And it cuts like a knife
She's out of my life

So, maybe it's because he had too much pride to let her inside of his heart? Or maybe he loved her, but just didn't show her that he loved her?? And I always wondered about the line "To think for two years she was here
And I took her for granted I was so cavalier". That means to me that she was around him for 2 years, but he just didn't show her how much he cared for her....

[Sdeidjs]

In my personal opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first teenage love that is way too depressing, and my least favorite compositions...

[LindaC781]

In my opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first love...and really has nothing to do with the love "true love" of his life...

:angel:

I just looked up "She's Out of My Life"...according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_out_of_My_Life) apparently, it was written by The song was written by Tom Bahler after Karen Carpenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Carpenter) broke up with him upon discovering he had fathered a child with another woman.[1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_out_of_My_Life#cite_note-0)

[LindaC781]

I think that MJ is just an adorable, sensitive guy and he heard this song, and it got to him as he recorded it. That's my opinion of it. I don't think any one girl/woman was involved then.

[Sdeidjs]

I think that MJ is just an adorable, sensitive guy and he heard this song, and it got to him as he recorded it. That's my opinion of it. I don't think any one girl/woman was involved then.

I agree he is very romantic, sensitive, and kind...but...I do think the composition really does have to do with teenage love...

The past is the past...and life goes on~~~

:cheers:

[Moddie777]

I just looked up "She's Out of My Life"...according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_out_of_My_Life) apparently, it was written by The song was written by Tom Bahler after Karen Carpenter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Carpenter) broke up with him upon discovering he had fathered a child with another woman.[1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_out_of_My_Life#cite_note-0)



In the 70's when that song was out, the radio dj's talked as if it was about actress Tatum O'neal, they were a hot young couple back then, I remember having magazines with tons of pics of the two of them hand in hand, they were spotted everywhere in L. A.

Like most people assume ''womanzier" by britney is about f-fed the same would be how most
people thought of, "she's out of my life.

[Moddie777]

In my personal opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first teenage love that is way too depressing, and my least favorite compositions...



I believe this is correct. (the part about the song)

[Sdeidjs]

In the 70's when that song was out, the radio dj's talked as if it was about actress Tatum O'neal, they were a hot young couple back then, I remember having magazines with tons of pics of the two of them hand in hand, they were spotted everywhere in L. A.

Like most people assume ''womanzier" by britney is about f-fed the same would be how most
people thought of, "she's out of my life.

:angel:Ok I will rephrase that...Young love..

[mjroxworld]

One thing I know...
Just because one person writes a song about something from their own life (such as in She's Out of My Life), doesn't mean the person recording it can't apply it to their own life. There's some songs I am currently recording that someone else wrote that I am deeply immersed in because I see myself in the lyrics. And it really, really gets to me. When Michael was singing that song, he felt his own pain, and probably the author's as well (fast forward to Billie Jean). Gotta go.

[mjroxworld]

Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.

[AllForMJ]

Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.
:clapping: :clapping:

"Invincible" is a very important album. It really gives us a sense of where MJ was in his life at the time that he recorded it. Because he is a very gifted singer, and he is not ashamed of expressing his feelings, we're able to go back and listen to this important album and tell just how far along he has come. We're able to see that he is moving away from the hurtful things that he's had to endure for so long. Isn't it great that he's been able to make it through his trying times?

Some have tried to write this album off, but it is a very important album. This album marks the turning point in MJ's life. It's the album where he sheds the last of his anguish before leaving it behind. Now, his life is getting better. He's now able to move forward and reach for more joyful things.

That was a really nice summary of "Invincible," mjroxworld. Really, really nice. :yes: :flowers:


But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.
The person that he is flirting with is someone new. "The Way You Love Me" is where he's placed the clue. In "The Way You Love Me" he says, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." He also says, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." This is not something that he would say to someone that he already knows. It is something that he would say to someone he is getting to know and his love for her is starting to grow. He can also tell that God played a part in him meeting her. That's the reason for thanking the Heavens above.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds... :yes:

[Moddie777]

Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.


mjroxworld! You are Brillant! What you said about Invincible and the song, "don't walk away" are clues I picked up on too. Michael confirms to us towards the end of '' don't walk away" that a separation from his lady love was coming. The lyrics to that part are :" even though, I HAD to let you go". It's repeated over again a few times. The word "Had" towards the end puts this song in prospective. It's a major clue, implying that something around him wasn't right and he felt the need for whatever reason; to make a sacrifice and it seems the sacrifice was his own private relationship with someone whom he loved deeply. You can tell in this song that he is torn, conflicted and confused. He is in despair. He doesn't want an end but knows it has to be this way. One of the saddest lyric in this song is also another clue that this is the same love of whom he continues to serenade, Let me explain: Towards the ending, he sings this adlib :" I won't forget you girl". He is singing with conviction, these words meant something to him then and NOW. How do we know for certain? Cause he told us so................................... Fast forward to 6/26/05 in a statement released before he takes off for some R & R he says this in part: "I will never forget you. Your ever-present love, held me, dried my tears and carried me through".

He was making a promise to her that he was willing to keep, no matter what the circumstances.

Remember what we said about this statement when we first started examining it? We said there were clues in it for her, due to the direct (and Romantic) way Michael worded his notes and messages to us.

[AllForMJ]

mjroxworld! You are Brillant! What you said about Invincible and the song, "don't walk away" are clues I picked up on too. Michael confirms to us towards the end of '' don't walk away" that a separation from his lady love was coming. The lyrics to that part are :" even though, I HAD to let you go". It's repeated over again a few times. The word "Had" towards the end puts this song in prospective. It's a major clue, implying that something around him wasn't right and he felt the need for whatever reason; to make a sacrifice and it seems the sacrifice was his own private relationship with someone whom he loved deeply. You can tell in this song that he is torn, conflicted and confused. He is in despair. He doesn't want an end but knows it has to be this way. One of the saddest lyric in this song is also another clue that this is the same love of whom he continues to serenade, Let me explain: Towards the ending, he sings this adlib :" I won't forget you girl". He is singing with conviction, these words meant something to him then and NOW. How do we know for certain? Cause he told us so................................... Fast forward to 6/26/05 in a statement released before he takes off for some R & R he says this in part: "I will never forget you. Your ever-present love, held me, dried my tears and carried me through".

He was making a promise to her that he was willing to keep, no matter what the circumstances.

Remember what we said about this statement when we first started examining it? We said there were clues in it for her, due to the direct (and Romantic) way Michael worded his notes and messages to us.
Yeah, you can tell that he is torn in "Don't Walk Away." The way that he keeps going back and forth in this song shows that he is singing about an on-and-off relationship. This person kept walking in and out of his life. She'd come back and he'd get used to her being there, and then she'd leave again. You can tell this was happening because he said, "How can I stop losing you?"

He was going back and forth while singing about it because she was going back and forth while being with him. He couldn't make up his mind about letting her go or keeping her, because she couldn't make up her mind about staying with him or leaving him.

What was up with her? If she wasn't coming back to stay, then what was she coming back for?

Those back and forth relationships are nerve-racking. Isn't amazing that MJ was able to put that into a song? Baby can sing!

[Moddie777]

AllForMJ, as I am sitting here reading your post, I am struck by the sentence you typed:" how can I stop losing you". What song does that sentence look like? "I just can't stop loving you". In both are the word: STOP. I didnt think of this until now, but what this could imply is the fact that Michael may have felt the end of this relationship was somehow abrupt for him and out of his hands. Why do I say that? because Michael has given us clues through the years of the possibility of outside sources playing a role in the demise of his personal happiness.

Take for instance his adlib at the end of "heaven can wait". He sings, "leave us alone. leave us alone. please leave us alone". he sounds broken and hopeless, he is begging and pleading but he sounds as though he has no more energy left inside. These adlibs indicate something was trying to come between he and his lady love, I often wondered how come he added them at the end of this particular song. It didn't not make sense at first.

Also, in the dangerous dvd he gives us the words/lyrics at bottom of screen. In "who is it" he says something that can't even be made out on the actual cd. on the dvd, he says "They trying to make me crazy". I found this to be alarming, especially when you look at the video. The video shows other people invovled in a bad way. I don't fully understand all of these particular clues but they have to connect with Michael's personal life in some way because he keep linking clues about her with other things. Michael is telling us, other people played a role.

On The Bad Special Edition, what did Quincy tell us about Michael's life? He said it was "Complex" and "Complicated". Boy, he wasn't kidding.

I have more but I have to get busy now.

[mjroxworld]

:clapping: :clapping:

"Invincible" is a very important album. It really gives us a sense of where MJ was in his life at the time that he recorded it. Because he is a very gifted singer, and he is not ashamed of expressing his feelings, we're able to go back and listen to this important album and tell just how far along he has come. We're able to see that he is moving away from the hurtful things that he's had to endure for so long. Isn't it great that he's been able to make it through his trying times?

Some have tried to write this album off, but it is a very important album. This album marks the turning point in MJ's life. It's the album where he sheds the last of his anguish before leaving it behind. Now, his life is getting better. He's now able to move forward and reach for more joyful things.

That was a really nice summary of "Invincible," mjroxworld. Really, really nice. :yes: :flowers:


The person that he is flirting with is someone new. "The Way You Love Me" is where he's placed the clue. In "The Way You Love Me" he says, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." He also says, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." This is not something that he would say to someone that he already knows. It is something that he would say to someone he is getting to know and his love for her is starting to grow. He can also tell that God played a part in him meeting her. That's the reason for thanking the Heavens above.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds... :yes:

Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago.

But you are right, this IS a very important album, a very sequential album, one that tells a story by it's very nature. ANd I'm glad you like my insight.

[mjroxworld]

Yeah, you can tell that he is torn in "Don't Walk Away." The way that he keeps going back and forth in this song shows that he is singing about an on-and-off relationship. This person kept walking in and out of his life. She'd come back and he'd get used to her being there, and then she'd leave again. You can tell this was happening because he said, "How can I stop losing you?"

He was going back and forth while singing about it because she was going back and forth while being with him. He couldn't make up his mind about letting her go or keeping her, because she couldn't make up her mind about staying with him or leaving him.

What was up with her? If she wasn't coming back to stay, then what was she coming back for?

Those back and forth relationships are nerve-racking. Isn't amazing that MJ was able to put that into a song? Baby can sing!

Absolutely! You hit the nail on the head. ;) And you can see, throughout all of his albums, this in-and-out relationship between them. It's very complex, and there's more to it than meets the eye - or, ear, anyway, lol

Hammer that nail in, AllForMJ! Popcorn, anyone? lol

[Moddie777]

Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago.

But you are right, this IS a very important album, a very sequential album, one that tells a story by it's very nature. ANd I'm glad you like my insight.


I get the exact same thing from his clues as stated in this post. He rediscovered an old flame. Michael's clues are about a love requited.

[mjroxworld]

Popcorn, get yer popcorn! Fans are in for a wild ride, I do believe.

You guys are awesome and so smart. :) Ciao! I'm off to bed.

[AllForMJ]

Popcorn with extra butter pleeeeease! lol :popcorn:

It seems like it should really be hard to capture that on and off stuff in a song the way that he did it! Mike's got skills!! He truly is a gifted recording artist. :yes:

[mjroxworld]

Yes, Michael really does have a gift, but of course it comes from above. He just has a certain way of communicating, whether through song, silence, speech, or body, that most people don't realize nor appreciate. it isn't something learned, it is something given special.

Although he mostly sings, his silence about something, even on an album full of music, is also important. For example on Invincible all of a sudden the girl is no longer sung about...and at a critical time, too. Just when it looks like they are together, bam, the album goes with an entirely different theme. She left again, and this was evidenced by Don't Walk Away. So his silence about her for the rest of the album is apparant as he turns his focus onto other things. He has the tendency towards silent treatments with people, too. This says a LOT. He also speaks volumes without opening his mouth. Just a look can say, "I'm interested" or "don't even go there" or "I'm anxious" or "I'm feeling your pain" or even "ooh, I think I really dig you", lol, or "I am looking straight into your very soul". His body language can say "I'm feeling nervous", "I'm feeling sad", "I'm feeling joyful/playful", "I'm feeling confident" or "I'm feeling sexy", etc. Michael simply doesn't have to SAY anything to let people know what he is feeling. His eyes and his body and his music...and even his absence...do it for him.

[TialovesMJ]

AllForMJ, as I am sitting here reading your post, I am struck by the sentence you typed:" how can I stop losing you". What song does that sentence look like? "I just can't stop loving you". In both are the word: STOP. I didnt think of this until now, but what this could imply is the fact that Michael may have felt the end of this relationship was somehow abrupt for him and out of his hands. Why do I say that? because Michael has given us clues through the years of the possibility of outside sources playing a role in the demise of his personal happiness.

Take for instance his adlib at the end of "heaven can wait". He sings, "leave us alone. leave us alone. please leave us alone". he sounds broken and hopeless, he is begging and pleading but he sounds as though he has no more energy left inside. These adlibs indicate something was trying to come between he and his lady love, I often wondered how come he added them at the end of this particular song. It didn't not make sense at first.

Also, in the dangerous dvd he gives us the words/lyrics at bottom of screen. In "who is it" he says something that can't even be made out on the actual cd. on the dvd, he says "They trying to make me crazy". I found this to be alarming, especially when you look at the video. The video shows other people invovled in a bad way. I don't fully understand all of these particular clues but they have to connect with Michael's personal life in some way because he keep linking clues about her with other things. Michael is telling us, other people played a role.

On The Bad Special Edition, what did Quincy tell us about Michael's life? He said it was "Complex" and "Complicated". Boy, he wasn't kidding.

I have more but I have to get busy now.


keep it goin girl!!I love your inputs :clap:

[AllForMJ]

Yes, Michael really does have a gift, but of course it comes from above. He just has a certain way of communicating, whether through song, silence, speech, or body, that most people don't realize nor appreciate. it isn't something learned, it is something given special.

Although he mostly sings, his silence about something, even on an album full of music, is also important. For example on Invincible all of a sudden the girl is no longer sung about...and at a critical time, too. Just when it looks like they are together, bam, the album goes with an entirely different theme. She left again, and this was evidenced by Don't Walk Away. So his silence about her for the rest of the album is apparant as he turns his focus onto other things. He has the tendency towards silent treatments with people, too. This says a LOT. He also speaks volumes without opening his mouth. Just a look can say, "I'm interested" or "don't even go there" or "I'm anxious" or "I'm feeling your pain" or even "ooh, I think I really dig you", lol, or "I am looking straight into your very soul". His body language can say "I'm feeling nervous", "I'm feeling sad", "I'm feeling joyful/playful", "I'm feeling confident" or "I'm feeling sexy", etc. Michael simply doesn't have to SAY anything to let people know what he is feeling. His eyes and his body and his music...and even his absence...do it for him.
Yeah, his silent voice can be heard. This is what the last part of the trip down memory lane is about. :yes:

[SoS]

When I imagine the numbers of women in and out of MJ's life since SITD was released its mind boggling to fathom that this is one person after all these years although of course, its not inconceivable if it was ultimately God's plan and purpose.

At the same time...

As an observer of the songs and this thread, this may seem rather 'off the wall' but all the "mixed messages" and various interpretations really stand out to me and remind me of a jigsaw puzzle (eg., she left for reasons he had no clue whatsoever vs. outside forces played a part and he was fully aware of it to sing about it/she was gone a very long time vs. she was going back and forth while she was with him /its someone new vs. it isn't someone new etc.) - - and like with a jigsaw puzzle I start with the biggest most obvious pieces first.

It seems that in the first couple of short films where there is a female who is the focal point in the story, the females seem to be generally the same character "type" (eg., Thriller, TWYMMF), then in the next couple of short films they are a different "type" from the previous and yet seem to be the same "type" as eachother (In The Closet, Remember The Time) then in the next era they are different from the previous two sets but are again the same "type" (Blood on the Dancefloor, Who Is It). ........ Its almost as if for each 'set' that I'm explaining, the women could almost pass for sisters :lol:

And I don't know if its relevant that we saw the star of one of those short films return to do his recent commercial during the emergence of T25 ... but I did find it rather interesting that he used an "older" version of the same person?

It also just occurred to me that her "sister" type was also used in the YRMW short film. (maybe that blows this theory lol)

Which reminds me of something else (to further complicate matters lol) Have you ever been doing a jigsaw puzzle and just as soon as you get excited about finding a piece that finally looks to have just the right "shape", you put it down against the true outline and lo and behold, it doesn't fit at all and as badly as you'd like to use that piece to make progress on the puzzle, you know if you do that, it will keep the surrounding pieces from fitting and mess up the entire thing?

At this point in the "puzzle", I'm wondering if its not possibly different people (maybe 3?) who may be the focus in different songs for different times although the puzzlement comes with some consistencies that do seem to flow throughout since the beginning song that started this thread, but maybe even deciphering the differences within those samenesses might lend a "clue"? or maybe deciphering the samenesses within those differences? eg., making a list of songs and noticing the ones that are clearly about the same person/situation because they're saying "xyz"-same - things and this other list of songs he's saying "x" which fits half of "y" but the other half of "y" cancels out "z" so therefore it can't be "xyz" etc. - does that make sense?

I guess I'm saying its fairly clear to me that all the songs just can't be about the same person. It doesn't add up to that to me.

oh well...

jigsaw puzzles ... especially the ones with a thousand pieces ....






:doh:

and me spending all this time to try and clarify what I'm trynna say..

[Ape]

I know exactly what you are talking about. You think you understand something, then something happens to make you question what you just thought you had figured out..lol. It's also like having something on the tip of your tongue but not being able to get it out.

Something I was thinking, if I apply my own life experiences where some things from my past will start to come into play for my future..um.. hmm...actually if you look at the bible, how things in the start of a story seem to be leading no where or you just aren't sure what will happen or why something happened, then in the end, we see why they happened how they did, and that parts of the past have more meaning when we see the whole picture from beginning to end. Well let's just go with the theory of a woman coming to him from God.. not like hand delivered out of the sky or anything but, like God had picked her and him out for each other. Match made in heaven and whatever other mushy gushy romantic notions you could use. If God had a plan for the two of them, or just a plan...hints about this might come up before it even comes into existence, before it's a reality for the two of them. Like it is written on their heart from the time they are born or whatever, and parts of it come out of them in their creativity or what not. Then all these songs could be about various women. Michael could have meant them for the woman in his life at these particular instances. The love that comes out of himself for them is still uniquely expressed through him in his own way. That love would be the same love expressed sincerely and deeply in his special way because he is the same person. Maybe that's why it feels like sometimes it is for the same person. He has been the constant throughout all these songs regardless of the woman they were directed towards. If then finally that one woman God had in mind for him came into his life, the love that he has inside himself (though he could still have love for the ones from the past as well.. you still care) could be directed towards the new love (who maybe is really an old love if from the start if it was planned by God). Then the love songs expressing his love and feelings may fit in a more perfect way this new true love. Maybe not all will fit because maybe she wouldn't leave, or because some things will be different, but the love is still his love expressed. Just that this time it would have a happy ending (hopefully)...or no ending but a happy forever.

Does that make sense? Should I go write for Disney? They need more romance/animation films.

[Lily]

^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)

[Moddie777]

keep it goin girl!!I love your inputs :clap:


Awwwwwwww and I love your support and miss you when you aren't here.

stateofshock, I totally get what you are saying and agree to it! If the theory of this thread is even half true, then it will validate how Quincy Jones described Michael's life to be TRUE.

[Moddie777]

^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)


Yep!!!! Through the years I have read about this. There have been many authors to publically speak about it too but to me, it really all goes back to the bible?

[Moddie777]

Just looking at the recent pics of Michael with Christian. Did anyone notice the picture from the fan who posted what Michael's t-shirt underneath could look like? I think its on page 5, it shows a black short sleeved t-shirt designed by ed hardy (i think) with a single large Red Rose in full bloom on one side and a Tiger on the opposite side.

But another fan later pointed out how they felt Michael's shirt underneath could be another design because from the photo's it look as though he has long sleeves, as opposed to short.

Why is this worthy of a mention? If it is the correct t-shirt design, it could reveal something we have already examined in this thread? The fact that Michael continues to be drawn to things that have current meaning to him.

Glad to see that beautiful smile back on his face.

[AllForMJ]

Yep!!!! Through the years I have read about this. There have been many authors to publically speak about it too but to me, it really all goes back to the bible?
Yep, yep. And one thing is for sure, MJ is making it clear that the person he is singing about now is not the same person he is singing about in "Don't Walk Away."

The person he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was bringing him to tears with her indecisiveness. Trying to love her was agonizing for him. True love doesn't cause you to feel agony. True love is fulfilling. Actually, in "Don't Walk Away" there is verse where MJ asked if they could find some love to make his pain go away. He should not have had to ask a question like that?

The songs he's now choosing to sing have a calmer tone to them. He is sweetly expressing his feelings for the new person that has come into his life. He's letting her know he loves her and he's telling her he needs her but notice that he's not acting like he has to put a lot of energying into expressing how he feels and he's not acting like loving her is a chore.

Like with "Fall Again" that he released in '04, he was telling her what he wanted. Then after that it was like he just went into a free-fall with her. I guess he knew she would catch him. He's been steadily singing about being in love all the way up to right now.

Shortly after he went through that '93 madness, he released "Stranger In Moscow" and he talked about feeling alone and cold inside, right? Everything that he recently went through was branching off of that stuff that started back then. Look at how he was relying on this new woman to be at his side in order for him to deal with the new storm that was merging with the old one.

"One More Chance"
Shelter. Come and rescue me out of this storm. To get out of this cold I need some warmth.

With "One More Chance" he was saying he already knew he was going to be okay with her. Look at what he's saying after making it through the cold. He's saying how he got through it in "Hold My Hand."

"Hold My Hand"
When it gets dark and when it gets cold, we hold each other 'til we see the sunlight.

Look at the way he mentions dark in "Hold My Hand" and how he dealt with it as well as the cold?

Remember, he was wandering in the rain in "Stranger In Moscow." In "The Way You Love Me" that he also released in 2004 at the same time as "Fall Again," he said she took away the rain. In "For All Time" that he released in '08 he mentions the rain again. He mentions the rain washing away and notice that he even points out that these days are now quiet..which they are. After a storm is done passing through it is always quiet.

So, now he's dealt with the dark, cold and rain and there was a woman with him the whole time. He's describing how it's being dealt with over a five year period.

This woman he's singing about now cannot be the one he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" because the woman in "Don't Walk Away" was indecisive. The new one obviously isn't, or MJ would not have been able to rely on her. We know this because of the way that MJ said her love was ever-present. Just by him saying her love was ever-present shows he did not have to wonder about it. He knew it was there. We should also be able to tell from what he said about her love in "You Are So Beautiful" which is the love song that he wrote during the trial itself. In this song he said, "Your true love showed me the way...the way I had to go."

Remember what he said in "Don't Walk Away" in addition to asking if they could find some love? He said, "See, now why all my dreams been broken. I don't know where we're going."

See, the one in "Don't Walk Away" made him feel lost. The one he's singing about in "You Are So Beautiful" did not.

Just imagine. If the person that he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was still around while he was going through all that court stuff of '03-'05, she would have added more pain on top of the pain he was already going through. She would have made it impossible for him to cope. Thank God they went their separate ways before all that stuff hit him.

Also, if MJ was not the type of man that truly adores women, he would not have become so strongly attached to the new one that has come into his life, and he also would not have been crying about the one that kept walking away.

[mjroxworld]

While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out.

[SoS]

AFMJ! you've given me some good examples of what I was trying to say, thank you.


the person he is singing about now is not the same person he is singing about in "Don't Walk Away." The person he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was bringing him to tears with her indecisiveness. Trying to love her was agonizing for him. True love doesn't cause you to feel agony. True love is fulfilling. Actually, in "Don't Walk Away" there is verse where MJ asked if they could find some love to make his pain go away. He should not have had to ask a question like that?

The songs he's now choosing to sing have a calmer tone to them. He is sweetly expressing his feelings for the new person that has come into his life. He's letting her know he loves her and he's telling her he needs her but notice that he's not acting like he has to put a lot of energying into expressing how he feels and he's not acting like loving her is a chore.

Like with "Fall Again" that he released in '04, he was telling her what he wanted. Then after that it was like he just went into a free-fall with her. I guess he knew she would catch him. He's been steadily singing about being in love all the way up to right now.

Shortly after he went through that '93 madness, he released "Stranger In Moscow" and he talked about feeling alone and cold inside, right? Everything that he recently went through was branching off of that stuff that started back then. Look at how he was relying on this new woman to be at his side in order for him to deal with the new storm that was merging with the old one. "One More Chance"
Shelter. Come and rescue me out of this storm. To get out of this cold I need some warmth.

With "One More Chance" he was saying he already knew he was going to be okay with her. Look at what he's saying after making it through the cold. He's saying how he got through it in "Hold My Hand." The song title, One More Chance, alone, suggests that it is a person with whom he wants one MORE chance at love with. In it he refers to "her" many times and the past. "if you see "her", tell "her" this for me. The sincerity in his tone of voice suggests a previous something when he says, "ALL I need is .... one more chance at love" and repeats the two words "ONE MORE' all by themselves so many times and even shouts, "tell "her" its all on me" showing there's an "it" that he's referring to from the past, so this is a perfect example.


Remember, he was wandering in the rain in "Stranger In Moscow." In "The Way You Love Me" that he also released in 2004 at the same time as "Fall Again," he said she took away the rain. In "For All Time" that he released in '08 he mentions the rain again. He mentions the rain washing away and notice that he even points out that these days are now quiet..which they are. After a storm is done passing through it is always quiet.because of the fact that in SIM he's walking in the rain and by For All Time the rain is washing away all the pain, could indicate that he got his answer to, "can we find some love to take this away"? That word- "we". So, if his questions from Don't Walk Away and One More Chance were answered (remember in OMC he'd asked for that when he said, "help me make these mysteries unfold"), could it have been that she maybe FINALLY (after all the not being able to "get through" to her) answered some of his questions offering him a refreshment and a relief, eg., "the rain may wash away" and "all these words that young lovers say" may even indicate a reference to them as young lovers or the young lovers that woulda, coulda been, in other words, it has a tone of nostagia imho. And yet "z" would be the fact that it could be as you mentioned because who knows?


This woman he's singing about now cannot be the one he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" because the woman in "Don't Walk Away" was indecisive. The new one obviously isn't, or MJ would not have been able to rely on her. We know this because of the way that MJ said her love was ever-present. Just by him saying her love was ever-present shows he did not have to wonder about it. He knew it was there.While I'm still not sure I concur with fan/girlfriend mixed messages because I feel he has such a uniquely special place for his fans, I'll use it as an example because it fits the entire point of the part I quoted. Does "ever-present" not mean the same as never-leaving? Just as when he told AH he "never left" meaning that he's always been here just as he said he would in Unbreakable, "I'm still gonna be here". True he "left the scene" but it doesn't mean he left. He evidently didn't have to wonder about it as you say, but again, could it not have been because he got his questions answered from Don't Walk Away eg., how am I to understand, (she helped him understand some things?) can we find some love to take this away, (they found enough love to take that horrible pain away etc. etc. etc.) how can I stop losing you, how can I begin again, how can I begin to stay. Could it be that she may have helped some mysteries unfold? Why not right? If so, okay and yet it still doesn't make a complete "xyz" because it could again, be as you mentioned.


Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago. It seems plausable, however who knows if "z" is not what AFMJ suggested could be the case it be woman #3 or 4 which is my mathmatical summation for now, if the visuals he's offerred is any clue. Who knows - it may not be a clue or intentional on MJ's part at all but I can't see ignoring it as a possible jigsaw piece.

On another note, the songs that were mentioned in an earlier post about Smooth Criminal and the adlib at the end of Heaven Can Wait are of intrigue as well. Noone ever seems to want to "go there" or maybe I've missed it other than waaaay ealier on because I'm actually more of a scanner of the thread than a reader per se. If anyone can send me a link that'd be great.
:flowers:

oh well again and still I say, jigsaw puzzles ....:doh:

BUT


The love story continues as the mysteries unfold ... :yes:

[SoS]

While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out. :flowers: especially @ that last line :giggle:

[SoS]

I know exactly what you are talking about. You think you understand something, then something happens to make you question what you just thought you had figured out..lol. It's also like having something on the tip of your tongue but not being able to get it out.

Something I was thinking, if I apply my own life experiences where some things from my past will start to come into play for my future..um.. hmm...actually if you look at the bible, how things in the start of a story seem to be leading no where or you just aren't sure what will happen or why something happened, then in the end, we see why they happened how they did, and that parts of the past have more meaning when we see the whole picture from beginning to end. Well let's just go with the theory of a woman coming to him from God.. not like hand delivered out of the sky or anything but, like God had picked her and him out for each other. Match made in heaven and whatever other mushy gushy romantic notions you could use. If God had a plan for the two of them, or just a plan...hints about this might come up before it even comes into existence, before it's a reality for the two of them. Like it is written on their heart from the time they are born or whatever, and parts of it come out of them in their creativity or what not. Then all these songs could be about various women. Michael could have meant them for the woman in his life at these particular instances. The love that comes out of himself for them is still uniquely expressed through him in his own way. That love would be the same love expressed sincerely and deeply in his special way because he is the same person. Maybe that's why it feels like sometimes it is for the same person. He has been the constant throughout all these songs regardless of the woman they were directed towards. If then finally that one woman God had in mind for him came into his life, the love that he has inside himself (though he could still have love for the ones from the past as well.. you still care) could be directed towards the new love (who maybe is really an old love if from the start if it was planned by God). Then the love songs expressing his love and feelings may fit in a more perfect way this new true love. Maybe not all will fit because maybe she wouldn't leave, or because some things will be different, but the love is still his love expressed. Just that this time it would have a happy ending (hopefully)...or no ending but a happy forever.

Does that make sense? Should I go write for Disney? They need more romance/animation films. This made a lot of sense to me too :yes: Unique and deep point of view and similiar to what rox is saying.

[TialovesMJ]

You're welcome Moddie :)... :flowers:
I like seeing what all of you guys type, its all good!!btw SOS, you put some good thoughts in!!:)

[Moddie777]

Love has many phases, especially when you have been with the same partner over a time.
You go through many ups and downs and even stale phases in a marriage, relationship or committment. There's also: one partner being anry or resenting the other for something they view as a shortcoming on the others behalf.
I have been with the same man for a very, very longtime and we have gone through many of things together. We have seen eachother at our very best and our very worst. I have witnessed him broken, down and out and later uplifted, encouraged and on top. I have felt anger, resentment and hurt against him before as well as, desperate love, undying and unselfish love for him.
I first laid eyes on him while in my teens, he was already grown but I knew he would be mine someday, I just had that feeling deep inside but we didn't get together until later.
When you weather the storm together through both good and bad, love grows and enriches the lives of those whom it touches. The bond between the two become unbreakable.
There's a deep spiritual connection when you have gone through the "ugly" stuff over long periods of time with a person and still can look at them with true love and devotion in your eyes and still feel it in your soul.
Michael sings of this kind of love, he sings about a love that has been through the storm on more than one occasion. He sings about the pain, agony, despair, lust, love, agony and commitment he has for this woman.
There are many layers and chapters he is revealing to us about this relationship. He may have revealed the lows with, "Don't walk away".
"Don't walk away" links a recent statement with just one line. Again, he incorporates something in the future to the past, indicating there is a possible link.
We should have some fun and really exciting times in this thread when his new stuff comes out.
Whether this is someone new or a blast from his past; he is smiling again. I thank God and her for that!

[Moddie777]

While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out.

Didn't see this before I posted, wow. This is on the lines of what I've been thinking.

Yep! You can tell she was on his mind even when he married. Fate would not allow him to get this woman out of his system.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ yeah thats what ive been thinking too. Aww thats so sweet of him :wub:

[turthlili]

^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)

i do not believe in fate. i think we could do our best for love .

and i do think Michael is real.
though love is love ,but so many real things.

[AllForMJ]

With Michael being a man that strongly believes in God, and with him being someone that was searching for a woman who's love is divine, as he said in "Someone Put Your Hand Out," then he was expecting God to place in his life the woman he could not find on his own. It seems to have been done.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

*hearing the sound of future wedding bells*

Heyyyyyy, speaking of wedding bells. Doesn't one of the recent love songs end with a bell?

Never mind. lol I just remembered which one it is that ends with bells. It is "Beautiful Girl."

[mjroxworld]

with michael being a man that strongly believes in god, and with him being someone that was searching for a woman who's love is divine, as he said in "someone put your hand out," then he was expecting god to place in his life the woman he could not find on his own. It seems to have been done.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

*hearing the sound of future wedding bells*

heyyyyyy, speaking of wedding bells. Doesn't one of the recent love songs end with a bell?

Never mind. Lol i just remembered which one it is that ends with bells. It is "beautiful girl."

:) :) :) :) ;)

[mjroxworld]

Who here remembers PYT 2008?

Michael calls her his primadona (lol!) and his Heavenly prize.

[Ape]

I always wanted to know the lyrics to the new PYT. There are some different lyrics in it.

It's funny, it's like MJ has all these gifts for her, and here we are pointing out all the beautiful details in them for her. It's quite a beautiful love story whatever way it turns out. Hard to see the absolute truth from here, but I can see that it's very sweet and romantic.

I hope they have a wonderful life together and may God bless the two of them (or continue to) and keep them strong through any hardships, but mostly give them lots of joy.

[AllForMJ]

While I'm still not sure I concur with fan/girlfriend mixed messages because I feel he has such a uniquely special place for his fans, I'll use it as an example because it fits the entire point of the part I quoted. Does "ever-present" not mean the same as never-leaving?
Yep, ever-present means the same as never-leaving. It was love that was put to the test. It's not to say that his fans do not have a special place in his heart though. He definitely loves and appreciates his fans. He acknowledges his fans in the first part of his message along with God, his children and his family. The word that shows the second part acknowledges his special someone is the word "needed" as it ties into what he was saying to her in the below love songs that he released before, during and after the trial. The love that he's going to have for a multitude of people is going to be different from the love he'll have for one person.

2003
"One More Chance"
All I need is one more chance at love

2004
"Fall Again"
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I need your love in my life
* I need us to carry on

2008
"For All Time"
When I say I need you, that's for all time

You can also tell the one he's saying all of the above to is not the one in "Don't Walk Away" because "Don't Walk Away" is about a shaky relationship. When a person is going through something dire like the trial that MJ went through, they can't rely on something shaky for support. It will give way. Notice that he mentioned support twice in his message. He said it in the first half of it and in the second half.

In the second half of his message he said the person was there when he needed them and he said he'll never forget them and will treasure the person's love and support forever. Both are the same as saying "For All Time" and "For All Time" is a song about two individuals just like the other songs that he used the word "need" in.

A shaky relationship causes sorrow, has to be held together with a bunch of extra effort and usually becomes a headache. True love brings two people together and strengthens both when they embrace it. If they both are embracing it, they both want to be there.

[Moddie777]

Who here remembers PYT 2008?

Michael calls her his primadona (lol!) and his Heavenly prize.


Me, me, me, (raising hand), I remember teacher, now don't I got a lil somethin somethin from the treasure box?, lol.

[AllForMJ]

:lol:

Checking out a man in love is a beautiful thing. Michael is sooooo romantic with his serenading self! :wub: :popcorn:

[SoS]

Yep, ever-present means the same as never-leaving. It was love that was put to the test. Yep and how 'bout just as MJ never "left" the music business, the girl never "left" him, even if she did "walk away". Reminds me of someone walking away while I'm talking to them. If I'm not finding the right thing to say and they walk off I get livid. Also so many songs say, "I can't get through to you". Could it be that he finally "got through" to her.


It's not to say that his fans do not have a special place in his heart though. He definitely loves and appreciates his fans. He acknowledges his fans in the first part of his message along with God, his children and his family. The word that shows the second part acknowledges his special someone is the word "needed" as it ties into what he was saying to her in the below love songs that he released before, during and after the trial. The love that he's going to have for a multitude of people is going to be different from the love he'll have for one person.
2003
"One More Chance"
All I need is one more chance at love

2004
"Fall Again"
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I need your love in my life
* I need us to carry on

2008
"For All Time"
When I say I need you, that's for all time

You can also tell the one he's saying all of the above to is not the one in "Don't Walk Away" because "Don't Walk Away" is about a shaky relationship. Well, according to the lyrics Don't Walk Away is about someone losing "patience" with him not finding the right thing to say or his not finding something that will make sense to her heart and/or mind in a given moment. It happens in relationships all the time. Fall Again tells us they both did battle, they both left ("ourselves") a mountain to be overcome. For All Time is a song about reassurance and he gives her one reassurance after another throughout the song. At the end of For All Time he even says, "no that's no lie". Maybe something he did made her feel insecure and this is his way of letting her know that his love is true rather than him being solely concerned about vice-versa.


When a person is going through something dire like the trial that MJ went through, they can't rely on something shaky for support. It will give way. If he learned that her love was "ever present", that is half the battle and half the "mountain" right there. What if those questions from Don't Walk Away were finally heard by her (her ears or her heart) meaning he finally "got through" to her and of course she came running when he needed her.


Notice that he mentioned support twice in his message. He said it in the first half of it and in the second half.

In the second half of his message he said the person was there when he needed them and he said he'll never forget them and will treasure the person's love and support forever. Both are the same as saying "For All Time" and "For All Time" is a song about two individuals just like the other songs that he used the word "need" in. They both "fought in a battle" (it sounds like he accepts responsibility for that too when he says, "Darlin "I" fought in a battle") which sounds like he was "fighting it" just as much as she was - or resisting it which is remniscent of what Quincy Jones said about MJ's songs being autobiographical even about something MJ is "resisting", but anyway if nobody won then that means there's no more war. Reminds me of two kids who fight to the finish and at the end of it all, they burst out laughing and walk arm in arm to the candy lady's house.


A shaky relationship causes sorrow, has to be held together with a bunch of extra effort and usually becomes a headache. True love brings two people together and strengthens both when they embrace it. If they both are embracing it, they both want to be there. I guess what I'm saying is, sometimes "fighting", "battles", and headaches are a part of putting up with another human being, in love. Have you ever seen two people who truly love eachother be in the midst of war with eachother, but just as soon as someone from the outside world starts messin' with one of them, that outside person better watch out. This is what I'm saying about love. I don't see where DWA was any different from any of the other songs where he's saying, "dammit woman" :lol:

[Moddie777]

Yep, you are indeed right, AllForMJ Michael does appear to be a very romantic guy. Can you imagine how intense and sweet it must be for his lady love to get all of this up close and personal? That has to be incredible.

If I hadn't already, lemme say this about a man in Love. Most of us in here knows, a man doesn't too easily give it up and reveal to the woman of his affection that he is in love with her let alone tells and shows her how needed she is but our Michael has done just that!
Yes, we can agree, Michael isn't like most guys, he is unique and special and what makes this man even more special is the fact that he being as BIG as he is, understands in order for his blessings to manifest he had to step aside and allow something much LARGER than he to guide the way. And that was the Divine, Lord. God. At some point, Michael had to do what he told us he does when a song appears; drop down on his knees. The fact that she came in the nick of time at his own will( and prayer), shows Michael's personal relationship to a much higher being.
Michael's clues of praying for her to come back reveals, he needed her. When God answered his prayers, Michael knew this was a Divine Love. God is involved and that must give Michael peace of mind.
Most men would not set in motion all of these things in order to be with who his heart yearns for. Unfortunately many guys( and woman) settle and so many haven't been taught or have forgotten: to ask God and you shall recieve.
Asking God to come in was his way of saying, he wanted that real, raw, deep, human connection with his soulmate.
And as mentioned before in past post. What we are witnessing are the results of Michael recieving exactly what he himself had prayed for.

[Moddie777]

[QUOTE=STATEofSHOCK;1806111]Yep and so just as MJ never "left" the music business, the girl never "left" him, even if she did "walk away". Reminds me of someone walking away while I'm talking to them. If I'm not finding the right thing to say and they walk off I get livid. Also so many songs say, "I can't get through to you". Could it be that he finally "got through" to her.

I picked up the same thing as you stateofshock. I noticed how he sings about not getting through to someone in several songs, even in a poem or two from dancing the dream. This relates to many things he was doing in order to show her, his love and commitment to what they had had, but doing alot of this time as he is trying to get through, we see him in marriages or have seen him end one.
Whatever was going on between them, she resisted, or at least Michael's clues reveal that.

And this is also one of the things that indicate to me, this lady can't be someone in his community. A woman who has the same career or a similar one to his would be easier to hook up with or reconnect with. His many clues tell us; this woman has been out of bounds and out of reach to him for a very long time.

[SoS]

Yep, you are indeed right, AllForMJ Michael does appear to be a very romantic guy. Can you imagine how intense and sweet it must be for his lady love to get all of this up close and personal? That has to be incredible.

If I hadn't already, lemme say this about a man in Love. Most of us in here knows, a man doesn't too easily give it up and reveal to the woman of his affection that he is in love with her let alone tells and shows her how needed she is but our Michael has done just that!
Yes, we can agree, Michael isn't like most guys, he is unique and special and what makes this man even more special is the fact that he being as BIG as he is, understands in order for his blessings to manifest he had to step aside and allow something much LARGER than he to guide the way. And that was the Divine, Lord. God. At some point, Michael had to do what he told us he does when a song appears; drop down on his knees. The fact that she came in the nick of time at his own will( and prayer), shows Michael's personal relationship to a much higher being.
Michael's clues of praying for her to come back reveals, he needed her. When God answered his prayers, Michael knew this was a Divine Love. God is involved and that must give Michael peace of mind.
Most men would not set in motion all of these things in order to be with who his heart yearns for. Unfortunately many guys( and woman) settle and so many haven't been taught or have forgotten: to ask God and you shall recieve.
Asking God to come in was his way of saying, he wanted that real, raw, deep, human connection with his soulmate.
And as mentioned before in past post. What we are witnessing are the results of Michael recieving exactly what he himself had prayed for. Yep and thanks moddie for sharing from your personal experience. You and AllforMJ are so romantic too just like MJ. Relationships also seem one way to observors and only the two people know. If this is a relationship where outside forces played a part it can be all the more complicated. Those outside forces could be anyone from the multitude of people around MJ to the complex business affiliations I suppose.

[SoS]

I picked up the same thing as you stateofshock. I noticed how he sings about not getting through to someone in several songs, even in a poem or two from dancing the dream. This relates to many things he was doing in order to show her, his love and commitment to what they had had, but doing alot of this time as he is trying to get through, we see him in marriages or have seen him end one.
Whatever was going on between them, she resisted, or at least Michael's clues reveal that.

And this is also one of the things that indicate to me, this lady can't be someone in his community. A woman who has the same career or a similar one to his would be easier to hook up with or reconnect with. His many clues tell us; this woman has been out of bounds and out of reach to him for a very long time.Yes it seems that way and it seems as though if he is communicating through song because it comes via his spirit and true inspiration and he's doing it that way so that she is clear that it is of a Divine nature and so that the relationship can't be caught on 'radar' for the world to see and "judge" and try and tear apart. It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

I would just like to add that this could ALL be SO off base. I just have to add that because we all know that MJ is unpredictable and just when that puzzle piece seems to fit...

:giggle: but thanks Michael for making this guessing game so much fun.

[SoS]

Some more 'food for thought'. Inasmuch as it does seem like this is a 'distant, ethereal relationship, there are other songs that make it seem as though it is a physically interactive one eg,"Can't Let Her Get Away says, "i told you that I need you a thousand times", Who Is It says, "we made a vow we'd live our lives anew", For All Time says, "with a tender touch you know so well, Don't Walk Away says, "everything we said and all we've done", Break of Dawn says, "let me move you, let me soothe you til the Break of Dawn and you know its true', Beautiful Girl says, "its almost like dancing when romancing in her arms" all of which if lumped together makes it seem like an interaction that hasn't had a long time of distance.

On another note, also the use of the name Annie recurring in various contexts seems to be either, too obvious, or, he's "hiding" her in plain site by there being no consistant theme that follows that name. Some believe Smooth Criminal indicates that "she" was kidnapped or 'forced' away from him by 'powers that be' but that theme doesn't recur nearly as much (if at all) as do the ethereal one of him seeming to be reaching out via song trying to 'get through' to her and breaking down her resistance.

Everything from Give In to Me, to Invincible, to Butterflies (I noticed Eve says, "you know you're perfect for her you got all of what them fools lack", which he seems to confirm in 2000 Watts, the "rawest" of all his songs, when says, "you feel I’m real I’m everything you need, so tell me what’s the deal"

These are the kinds of things that seem to go against the idea of her being 'taken' by some outside forces but is resistant in and of herself.

I'm wondering if some of his songs, the ones where there isn't a recurring theme, may not be inspired by the experiences of others which have touched him to write and/or sing about.

oh well these are just some thoughts to support the idea that we may never figure this out :lol:

so,

the love story continues as the mysteries unfold....

[Sdeidjs]

Yes it seems that way and it seems as though if he is communicating through song because it comes via his spirit and true inspiration and he's doing it that way so that she is clear that it is of a Divine nature and so that the relationship can't be caught on 'radar' for the world to see and "judge" and try and tear apart. It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

I would just like to add that this could ALL be SO off base. I just have to add that because we all know that MJ is unpredictable and just when that puzzle piece seems to fit...

:giggle: but thanks Michael for making this guessing game so much fun.

It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

:angel:Impressive

[Moddie777]

Yep and thanks moddie for sharing from your personal experience. You and AllforMJ are so romantic too just like MJ. Relationships also seem one way to observors and only the two people know. If this is a relationship where outside forces played a part it can be all the more complicated. Those outside forces could be anyone from the multitude of people around MJ to the complex business affiliations I suppose.

You are welcome stateofshock. I wasn't too sure at first about sharing all that but I wanted to give more insight from an upclose ,committed and longlasting relationship(marriage) point of view.
So much of what we have interpreted, I can understand because of some of the things we have experienced in our relationship(first), then marriage (later).
Michael is pretty simple, he has simple needs but the complications and complexities of his life make it hard to have a successful personal life, which is why he seems to be so drawn and connected to us, his fans. He seems to have little interaction with regular everyday people who aren't wanting something from him or scheming to get close to him.
He really loves us and know we will be on the internet waiting to hear something from him, which is why ( i think), he reaches out to those fans of whom he trust to get special messages out. He is a considerate and loving man. He just wants to be loved that way in return.
As far as the outside forces go, Michael has surely put clues all over the place through the years to indicate how much he is aware that his stardom and handlers have or are capable of
running an interference in his life.
Unfortunately during the trial, many people who had either visited Neverland or worked with him in some capacity were running to the network tv stations and giving interviews, they said some very disturbing things about Michael's life and the team of people who were/are hired to work for him. Not to mention, both of his ex wives had eluded in past years to very similar things.
It was during those times especially, that a much clearer picture of what was actually taken place had started to emerge full frontal.
Michael's own clues tell us the possibility of the downfall of this relationship was attributed to both things you said stateofshock, the multitude of people around him and the business affiliations.

[Sdeidjs]

:angel:"A true friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out."

Walter Winchell

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[Moddie777]

:angel:"A true friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out."

Walter Winchell

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I would have to agree with this 100%!

Amazing.

[Sdeidjs]

I would have to agree with this 100%!

Amazing.

"God tends to work in mysterious ways..!"

:angel:Smiles~~~

[Moddie777]

Hey Everybody,

I know we've all been excited out of our minds about The press Conference and all the recent pics and footage of our Michael, but can't leave this thread out of all the fun now can we?????????

Anybody notice the ever-present Crown(s) on his lapel. Remember what we discussed their meaning could be?

[TialovesMJ]

Go on Moddie :)

*waits to hear more*

[mjroxworld]

I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.

[cleopatra1975]

now mjroxworld you made me curious and all...is there anything serious we should know? you sound like you heard that michael will die soon or something like that...

[SoS]

I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.
:brow: well Cleopatra, she's said she's not going to be posting anymore


*leaves thread to check out all mjroxworld's posts and gather rock solid factual puzzle pieces*

[cleopatra1975]

no she is not only saying this state of shock ..she could say it but she wrote more than this..she said she knows something ... why is it painfull and all???thats why i asked...

[mystygrl]

I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.

mjroxworld, I am so sorry for whatever has led you to leave this thread. Indeed, you and your posts will be missed! We will be awaiting your return every now and then. However, as a suggestion to everyone else, remaining, can we avoid discussing or analyzing what is painful and move on. There is an abundance of exciting MJ News happening right now and with new songs coming the story continues.

To begin with, have anyone noticed MJ's new statement on www.michaeljacksonlive.com (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com). There he mentions something very interesting. He begins by saying, "the time has come"...it is now I see and feel that calling once again to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel..."one in love". In this case, I believe he is expressing a dual emotion. First, his applying "one in love" to signify the uniting of all mankind to love each other truly from the heart and Second, keeping in harmony with the theme of this thread that AllForMJ has so lovingly began, "one in love" meaning that personally, he is telling all that HE is in love.

Last, but not least, I am praying for all fans worldwide, especially the ones who have contributed to this thread, if your plans are to attend any or all of the Arena 02 Concerts to get tickets --- MAY YOUR MJ DREAM COME TRUE!!!

Love You All!!!

PS...Moddie777, I do recall the discussion about his ever-present crown(s) within this thread. But, if you have anything further to add regarding this after seeing it on his lapel, please hurry back to share details. I said, "hurry up"...:D

[Lily]

Interesting.......

[SoS]

no she is not only saying this state of shock ..she could say it but she wrote more than this..she said she knows something ... why is it painfull and all???thats why i asked...
hmm yes I see and the more I think about it she didn't say she'll never post again, just not as much so maybe she'll come back to clarify. :brow: I'm wondering....as far as painfulness goes, I wonder if she means that since she 'knows' something, that its too painful to watch others be on the wrong track?

oh well, I'm suddenly reminded of the old adage which says that in actuality there are three stories, 1. "his" story, (or what ppl have said about his story) 2. "her" story, (or what ppl have said about her story) and 3. THE True story

by the time something has gone through a 'third party' its altered as shown by the game in elementary school when the teacher would tell one person a simple sentence for them to pass around the room and by the time it got back to the teacher it'd be unrecognizable :lol:
the error gets traced back to a very early transfer of the information

would the questions then be, which truth does rox know

mystygirl -great post. Your reasoning as well as moddie's and AllforMJ's has me now wondering if this one isn't perhaps a "double message" particularly where he talks about the music "connecting" :brow: "connecting"..........the proverbial 'dots' perhaps?

moddie where are you going with the 'crown' thing? :popcorn: and did I miss the closing of the limo door at last? :unsure:

[Ape]

He does love his double meanings. "This is it" double meaning and each with equal importance. (I got my concert code..woohooo!! I'm (maybe) going to the concert!!) I agree Mystery, that was a really nice post. MJRox, online when someone really knows what is going on behind the scenes, or someone makes it seem like they do, or someone THINKs they know what is going on behind the scenes, all needs to be taken with a grain of salt by those who read it, because online, anything can be said by anyone. Nothing against you at all, I just happen to take "insider" information with a grain of salt always, though I know that they could be for real. I also know they could be false. They could even believe they know, but still be wrong. So whether you say something or not in here, It's all still speculation and fine. I think we all would love to see MJ in love, but aren't considering any of this as gospel. That is what I have learned during my time online, and even in person. People can say anything, but in the end, the actions prove something true or false. It just takes time to really see the truth. Though sometimes it is never seen.

[SoS]

^ great post :)

[mjroxworld]

*coming out of lurking for a short moment*

Ape, that WAS a great post. There are LOTS of things that should be taken only with a grain of salt. People can take me as a grain of salt, for all I care. I know what I know and that is that. People believing or disbelieving me doesn't change that, nor should you spend time speculating. This is personal and has nothing to do with fans or health or anything like that, so you can chill out. All I said and meant was that I wasn't going to be here much because of my pain regarding Michael. That's it. Maybe later, IF some things change, but right now it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything. gotta go. Talk to you all later, probably more in other threads rather than this one much.

[Lily]

:huh:

Then why come here if it's that painful? This is a Michael Jackson website.

.....and why take it so personal if he is in love with someone? We all deserve to be truly happy, including Michael.

[Moddie777]

Hey Guys, Nothing to add about the crowns, just wanted to point out; he was wearing them again.

You guys are right, there are clues and personal hints in Michael's March 8th message on Michaeljacksonlive.com:

First and foremost with the titles, "This is it" and "The Time has come", he is saying there is/has been a Turning Point Taking place and he wants it recognized. How do we know he wants it recognized? Because he chanted "This is it" reportedly 11 times (according to one journalist) during London press Conference, and with "The time has come" , its repeated 4 times on the site. He wants to be sure we are paying attention. It is obviously important to him.
"The time has come" message as stated in earlier post could possibly have a double meaning.

"it is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, ONE IN PAIN, ONE IN LOVE, one in service and in consciousness."
Michael Jackson

With this message Michael is revealing several things, Things have to "feel" right before Michael makes a move, not only that but he has to "see" the signs all pointing in that direction in order for him to be secure.
A connection to his fans is very important to him, he craves it and may even feel he need it in order to survive. He loves us, no doubt. When performing in front of a crowd, Our love for him takes him deeper inside of himself and he feels one with that connection we give to him.
As I had talked about in a page or 2 backwards, Love has many sides especially when shared for a long period with the same person. This message reveals Michael already has that particular experience. He says: "one in joy, one in pain, one in love". If it were just ONE IN JOY, then it would only be about us and for us but thats not how he worded the message.
"One in joy, one in pain, one in love" together with the repeated titled suggest Michael's intimate thoughts as he wrote this out. It very boldly reveals a man saying he is in love and who knows both joy and pain with the one of whom he was thinking about as he wrote this out.
"One in service and in consciousness".

Remember the 2 back to back statements in November 2008? Michael used the word"consciousness in each, they were misspelled remember. We interpreted the 2nd one accompanied with Roses were for her.

"In service" is his way of recognizing he is performing a duty, a calling of sorts. He understands and accepts his role.(concert performances to come).

"consciousness" is again, Michael"s way of revealing a higher being has the most prominent role in his life. He is being Guided and not looking to man for his answers.

[AllForMJ]

The time has come...The time has come...The time has come...The time has come.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in conciousness.

-Michael Jackson
I love Michael's style of writing. It does so many things all at once.

Also, it's not too surprising to see the two bolded words in there. Afterall, he did sing about being in love.
:yes:

Also, it can be read from a biblical angle as well. I'll have to find the Bible verse. Michael loves The Word.

[Moddie777]

Nope! Not surprising at all, AllforMJ.

[Moddie777]

hmm yes I see and the more I think about it she didn't say she'll never post again, just not as much so maybe she'll come back to clarify. :brow: I'm wondering....as far as painfulness goes, I wonder if she means that since she 'knows' something, that its too painful to watch others be on the wrong track?

oh well, I'm suddenly reminded of the old adage which says that in actuality there are three stories, 1. "his" story, (or what ppl have said about his story) 2. "her" story, (or what ppl have said about her story) and 3. THE True story

by the time something has gone through a 'third party' its altered as shown by the game in elementary school when the teacher would tell one person a simple sentence for them to pass around the room and by the time it got back to the teacher it'd be unrecognizable :lol:
the error gets traced back to a very early transfer of the information

would the questions then be, which truth does rox know

mystygirl -great post. Your reasoning as well as moddie's and AllforMJ's has me now wondering if this one isn't perhaps a "double message" particularly where he talks about the music "connecting" :brow: "connecting"..........the proverbial 'dots' perhaps?

moddie where are you going with the 'crown' thing? :popcorn: and did I miss the closing of the limo door at last? :unsure:

stateofshock, you must've been an awesome student. Your mind is always working and thinking, lol.

[SoS]

^ LOL!!! the good news - I'm not alone here :cheeky:


:giggle: but its fun inn't it

[SoS]

*coming out of lurking for a short moment*

Ape, that WAS a great post. There are LOTS of things that should be taken only with a grain of salt. People can take me as a grain of salt, for all I care. I know what I know and that is that. People believing or disbelieving me doesn't change that, nor should you spend time speculating. This is personal and has nothing to do with fans or health or anything like that, so you can chill out. All I said and meant was that I wasn't going to be here much because of my pain regarding Michael. That's it. Maybe later, IF some things change, but right now it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything. gotta go. Talk to you all later, probably more in other threads rather than this one much.

well, as a witness to this discussion, i have to say, I don't see where there's anything that sounded like any type of 'indictment' in any way in what Ape posted because she was referring to a 'principle' more than a person. She didn't exaggerate imho. She seemed to even make an extra effort to make sure it wasn't taken 'personal' so you wouldn't feel its about you and I feel to say it because I feel you misunderstood.

What she said about the 'grain of salt rule' is true, lets face it:


He does love his double meanings. "This is it" double meaning and each with equal importance. (I got my concert code..woohooo!! I'm (maybe) going to the concert!!) I agree Mystery, that was a really nice post. MJRox, online when someone really knows what is going on behind the scenes, or someone makes it seem like they do, or someone THINKs they know what is going on behind the scenes, all needs to be taken with a grain of salt by those who read it, because online, anything can be said by anyone. Nothing against you at all, I just happen to take "insider" information with a grain of salt always, though I know that they could be for real. I also know they could be false. They could even believe they know, but still be wrong. So whether you say something or not in here, It's all still speculation and fine. I think we all would love to see MJ in love, but aren't considering any of this as gospel. That is what I have learned during my time online, and even in person. People can say anything, but in the end, the actions prove something true or false. It just takes time to really see the truth. Though sometimes it is never seen. I can understand what she means. I take insider info with a PILLAR of salt because first I believe a true 'insider' is going to keep everything where it belongs - on the inside - no matter what - and I believe nothing at the onset due to "third party" rules always in effect, not to mention motives of frail human beings, so please know, it isn't about whether what you're feeling is valid in our eyes, or not. Its only about why you chose to share what you did, the purpose of it, I mean, as it relates to this thread. Most things people don't contribute, they don't announce anything, they just don't contribute. See? I hope that made sense. Its not about what you know, or not. That's all I'm sayinig, and this is nothing against you either. Its simply a lack of adequate completion of communication. We feel something is 'missing' since you said as much as you did by telling us you're saying nothing, imho. Just trying to try and explain this mess :lol: :doh: and at the end of the day, it ain't all that serious, but i just wanted to get that 'said', thanks - oh p.s. - we have been a "sorrorihood" (made up word I guess lol) no matter what - these are just 'comments' nothing more - nothing can change that we've all been in this together :D right? :unsure:

:)

:unsure: you know what? I feel what we have overlooked here is your pain mjjroxworld :( I mean really. I just re-read your post and you said,


it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything
:( ouch

sorry if we're being too 'hard' on ya (well the 'we' being anyone who's feelin' this)

[mjroxworld]

Well even I didn't think I'd be back so soon, actually. But even though I still have a certain amount of pain, I am getting through it, I am feeling a bit better. It still may be a while before I can bring myself to do much of those things I talked about, and I have a lot of confusion going on that as you can imagine is quite frustrating. But at least I was able to bring myself to actually get a ticket for one of Michael's performances. Right now, those performances are the love of his life and his focus.

By the way, one thing I CAN clear up, for any of you who MIGHT be confused (which was NOT my intention): I am NOT Michael's girlfriend. So that can get nipped in the bud right now. The pain I have is real, though, and I don't expect anyone here to understand. I don't want anymore speculation over me. My situation isn't worth it. So please, go on talking about Michael and your quite wonderful interpretations. I'll probably pop in here every so often, just because I can't seem to stay away. :)

[cleopatra1975]

I totally agree with state of shock. I m a bit afraid sometimes to tell my opinion and i like to read that someone can talk openly what they think without hurting anyone..kudos for that.

[Ape]

:hug: @ mjrox. You know, MJ fans (many of them) are a really understanding and comforting bunch. People do care. We may not know your situation, but we will try to understand and we don't have to know your situation to wish you were doing better and feeling happier.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand. I was reminded of something and maybe it's already been mentioned. Back in that Bashir interview (which I like if I just ignore the idiot snake who stands beside MJ throughout it) MJ mentions that he doesn't usually buy Jewelery unless for a woman who he likes. He is then asked if he likes anyone and he says not right now. I haven't found her (or something to that effect). Not too long ago we saw him not only buying, but designing some jewelery as well! So.... one could interpret this to be more proof of our theory. (I know both things were mentioned in this thread, but wasn't sure if they were put together)

[Moddie777]

Good Point, Super Sleuth, Ape. lol

[AllForMJ]

Michael's style of writing really shows how spiritual he is and that he reads his Bible often. He applies the words of the Bible to his life. He is someone that loves the Lord and all of the Lord's work.

His style of writing also does more than one thing simultaneously...

If we look at what he said during his farewell/concerts announcement in London...what he's recently placed on his website...the fact that we know he believes in the Bible and that he has been singing Bible verses to us in many of his songs over the years...and that he was also going door to door passing out the Watch Tower even after becoming a superstar, we will notice the below Bible passage is intertwined with his farewell and unity messages.

MJ Announcing "This Is It" Performances in London

"Thank you all. This is it. This is it! This is it! I just want to say that these will be my final show performances in London. This will be it. This is it. When I say this is it, it really means this is it. I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is it. I mean, this is really it. This is the final curtain call. I'll see you in July. I love you. I really do, you have to realize that, I love you so much. Really, from the bottom of my heart. This is it. See you in July!"

Message from MJ's New Website

The time has come...the time has come...the time has come...the time has come.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in conciousness.

-Michael Jackson

2 Corinthians 13:11

11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

******************

Michael is winding down his musical journey in a very sweet and exciting way. He is also trying to give the world one last big final boost. He's coming out to push that message of global unity.

He is a good man. He's strong and he was born with numerous musical gifts. He uses his mega stardom and God-given talents in a very loving and productive way. This is why God has given him the biggest fan base in the world.

Michael is about to kick off a global party to boost our spirits so we all will push forward and get through this global crisis. :yes:

Is that sweet or what?! :wub:

Also...

Because he has been singing songs about being in love, his last message can be interpreted as if he's thinking about wedding vows too.


It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love
If we look at this and think about wedding vows, we will think of "for better or for worse..." If we think about him saying "two hearts belong so well" as he did in "For All Time," and if we look at it from a biblical angle, we will think of this...

Genesis 2:24
This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

If MJ is ever going to get to the part of his life story that says, "and they lived happily ever after," it seems like it would have to occur after he is done entertaining the masses. But, he is not going to just walk away from the masses. He seems like he would start winding things down. He would most likely do it this way because he has established a very special bond with the world and he appreciates it. His friendship with the world means a lot to him.

[Moddie777]

That was a beautiful read AllForMJ!

[AllForMJ]

Thanks, Moddie777! Don't you just love MJ's personality? It is his personality that makes it easy to speak about him from a spiritual standpoint. He actually applies the Bible to his life. It shows all the time. It shows in his words and in his deeds.

He's a sweetie...

Now that his new album is getting closer, I am sooooo looking forward to hearing Big Mike's newest love song(s). Little Mike was always good at singing love songs and Big Mike is even better.
:wub:

[MJzPrincess1982]

Michael Jackson, Jesus, and the holy bible

:wub:

:lol:

[MJzPrincess1982]

Hey Everybody,

I know we've all been excited out of our minds about The press Conference and all the recent pics and footage of our Michael, but can't leave this thread out of all the fun now can we?????????

Anybody notice the ever-present Crown(s) on his lapel. Remember what we discussed their meaning could be?
:D :D :D :D :D

No, you tell me. :)

[AllForMJ]

Crown(s) on his lapel?!! Oh wow!! Let me go and check that out!!

He's still sending that honey love message, huh? Mike is so sprung! :lol:

Those newly recorded love songs are going to be something else...

[ms fairy]

I haven't been here in quite some time and I havent had a chance to read all posts given that this thread is pages upon pages now. But from what I read that MJROXWORLD has shared seems to have a lot of truth in it!
There has been only one woman in MJ's life and all the songs are about the 2birds and what they have been put through in the last 25 years. The last 2 messages about 'this is it' and 'the time has come'... are about MJ focused on making it real, the real presence of togetherness ...the where, how and when to make things happen and to make things right and he is determined! Within the next day or two or week or two things will change ...all the surprises and celebrations etc will happen in north america before the tour concerts in London otherwise everything will be postponed or cancelled including the new singles and album, etc. I have faith and belief in MJ and know that he will pop up somewhere soon and everything will be perfect!

[AllForMJ]

Mike's about to pop up like a Jackson in the Box, huh?! :lol: Look out!! When that man falls in love, it's serious business!!
:D

Mike's heart is thumpin'

[MJzPrincess1982]

I haven't been here in quite some time and I havent had a chance to read all posts given that this thread is pages upon pages now. But from what I read that MJROXWORLD has shared seems to have a lot of truth in it!
There has been only one woman in MJ's life and all the songs are about the 2birds and what they have been put through in the last 25 years. The last 2 messages about 'this is it' and 'the time has come'... are about MJ focused on making it real, the real presence of togetherness ...the where, how and when to make things happen and to make things right and he is determined! Within the next day or two or week or two things will change ...all the surprises and celebrations etc will happen in north america before the tour concerts in London otherwise everything will be postponed or cancelled including the new singles and album, etc. I have faith and belief in MJ and know that he will pop up somewhere soon and everything will be perfect!
Define 'pop up.' ?

Pop up and announce something, or..??

[MJzPrincess1982]

Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.
awwwwhhhhhhh :wub: :wub: :wub:

[Sdeidjs]

Message from MJ's New Website

The time has come...the time has come...the time has come...the time has come.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in conciousness.

-Michael Jackson

I am truly pleased for Mr.Jackson and the Fans in London...

"Mr.Jackson has "always been" a major force...He just needed to realize to stay "true" to his heart and all the rest is falling right into place..!"

:angel:Smiles~~~

[MJzPrincess1982]

Posted by mjroxworld:


We know from Michael's lyrics that his lady must represent one, herself. Because his lyrics suggest that she's been in and out of his life for a very long time. But it seems that now she's there to stay. She HAS to have a very strong, independent, free, rebirthing spirit if she is to be his.

:yes: :yes:!! I've always felt this about her. Always.But she's not too innocent herself, she makes mistakes, as well, as we all do. Sometimes .. he just doesn't see that in her.


sooo interesting, this song is! :|

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dlR7e6oPeEQ


and this one....... total EEK :unsure:!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7rOaJweck

Listen to it!!!


is anyone listening to the songs i'm posting .. you might wanna :)

[AllForMJ]

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds. :popcorn:

When Mike is in love, he will push his way through a storm. Did you guys see how he did that and how he was professing his love the whole time? When his mind is made up, he takes love very seriously. Love makes him stronger.

Now look at him. He's gearing up. He's got the world rumbling. When he steps on that stage on night number one, the needle is going to go completely off the Richter scale. And as things start progressing, the scale is going to tip over and fall.

Mike is running on love power, y'all! LOL He gets like this when his heart is thumpin.' If we look back, we will notice that during the time he was shattering all those records, he always had a woman that his mind was on. He's acting like that now.

The way to tell how he's feeling is by listening to the tone of the love songs he's been putting out. Cupid paid him a visit.

[Sdeidjs]

One of 7even Signs Angel (s) Are Sending You

By Doreen Virtue

When angels help us through life, sometimes they do so in ways that may not be immediately recognizable to us. They often deliver answers, hints, messages, and warnings through signs--signals, or anomalies in life, which let us know that they're with us.

Signs are repetitive, out of the ordinary, personally meaningful, and timed to coincide with your prayers or questions that you've posed to the Divine. There are two steps to experiencing signs from above: (1) believe in them, and (2) notice them. Amazing life transformations occur when we learn to see and use the messages the angels give us in everyday life, in all situations, big or small.

Music
The angels often send their messages through the sound and power of music. It seems that almost everywhere we go, silence is replaced with music in one form or another. Pay attention, as recurring songs (or a series of songs sharing a theme) are almost always a sign from above. In addition to offering a connection to Heaven, music delivers very direct messages and signs. For instance, the title or lyrics of a song that you hear repetitively offers a chance to receive specific guidance from your angels.

Source: Beliefnet.com

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[mystygrl]

I haven't been here in quite some time and I havent had a chance to read all posts given that this thread is pages upon pages now. But from what I read that MJROXWORLD has shared seems to have a lot of truth in it!
There has been only one woman in MJ's life and all the songs are about the 2birds and what they have been put through in the last 25 years. The last 2 messages about 'this is it' and 'the time has come'... are about MJ focused on making it real, the real presence of togetherness ...the where, how and when to make things happen and to make things right and he is determined! Within the next day or two or week or two things will change ...all the surprises and celebrations etc will happen in north america before the tour concerts in London otherwise everything will be postponed or cancelled including the new singles and album, etc. I have faith and belief in MJ and know that he will pop up somewhere soon and everything will be perfect!

Hmmm...your post and the words I highlighted made me think about the lyric in 'One More Chance' when MJ sings at the very beginning, "This time, I'm gonna do my best to make it right." So, in harmony with what you have stated, ms fairy, I wish to add that those last 2 messages certainly does imply that he is prepared to set their "togetherness" in motion by bringing this 'love in the dark' to the 'light.' In regard to the where, how and when? Well, with the way he has been smiling all over the place and speaking about his double messages whether they are in the form of singing or talking I say he is expressing "euphoria", which is defined as 'a feeling of happiness, confidence'. His overwhelming joy is present for all to witness due to the fact that, at this point in his life, he has finally achieved complete control over the direction of his career and his plan to live happily ever after.

[TialovesMJ]

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*waits for explianation of MJs lapel wearings for a while now* MJ must be very in Love!!

[Ape]

Wow, this is nice to wake up to. It's been busy in here. :) I don't know if I have anything more to add that hasn't already been said but it's nice to see everyone seems to be on the same path. I liked everything I read from everyone. It's nice to have new input from people who have been quiet before too. I guess we have lots to look forward to seeing and hearing in the next few months. It will be beautiful I think. He is like spring flowers just bursting out of the snow after spending all this time preparing for it underground where we couldn't see. Now he is blossoming. This is his time to shine.