Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Poefiend]

^ Shirley Temple flashback :lol:

[MimiK]

allformj, your doing a good job as usual, and at a later time i MIGHT be able to discuss more.

love.him, everything's going to be alright. nobody is trying to bully you or misrepresent you. sometimes things do need to be explained though, and not necessarily directed at any one person. just in general. please do not take those things personal.

i'll be back another time. and remember that respect and honor are due to each other, and to the author/singer of these songs. you can respectfully disagree with each other, but leave it at that and continue with the thread. have a wonderful day.

:) :) :) ;)


MIMIK

[Love.him]

Thanks :) , but you can carry on. I don't think I'm in the mood for it, but if I change my mind I'll add something.



Live.him, let's handle it this way...

I'll stop interpreting for a while and let you do the interpreting the rest of the way. This way, you can say what you see and we can base our discussion on your interpretations.

You now have the steering wheel. I'll just come along for the ride.

:yes:

Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading more of Ape's story. I don't post much but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying what I read :)

"Goodness Gracious Ladies & Gents" lol, that's cute :)



Goodness Gracious Ladies & Gents...

No need for personality conflicts...

Let's stop sweating the small stuff...and move forward with "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark"..?

AllForMJ Please continue...and Ape what happened with the King & the Princess..?

:cheers:

[Poefiend]

"Goodness Gracious Ladies & Gents" <------ reminds me of Something
Shirley Temple said back in the day LOL
:)

[friend]

^ haha Poefiend. don't think she'd see her goodship lollypop here

[AllForMJ]

Sitting in back seat. Seat belt going click. *Reading magazine* I'll chip in on gas though. Have you seen the price of gas lately? It is ridiculous!
:lol:

[AGB]

If Michael has found love then I am truly really happy for him and if he is still searching then I hope he does find that special someone. I do kind of think there is a lot of overanalysation of MJ's lyrics though in this thread and then kind of representing it as fact. I guess I'm of the opinion that MJ's love life is his business and no one else's really and if I was in his shoes I don't think I would feel comfortable about my lyrics being dissected to the degree it has been done in some posts in this thread and then saying 'oh this means he feels like this way or that way or this is what is going on in his life right now' like they really know for sure. I'm not trying to attack anyone so I hope anyone doesn't interpret what I'm saying in that way but I just think sometimes we forget MJ is a human being like the rest of us and forget that things that are really personal for example 'love life' is something which is a very private matter for everybody. I just think its important not to kind of cross the line, it's one thing to say you think MJ is in love and you hope that he is really happy but it's another to start going into specific details like the amount of relationships he may or may not have had etc.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

"Goodness Gracious Ladies &amp; Gents" &lt;------ reminds me of Something
Shirley Temple said back in the day LOL
:)



<br><br><img alt="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DMbTkY19Cpc/Sa23HOlA1iI/AAAAAAAAQbk/ZR7xPRunJzM/s400/kewl_mag_shirley_temple_400.jpg" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DMbTkY19Cpc/Sa23HOlA1iI/AAAAAAAAQbk/ZR7xPRunJzM/s400/kewl_mag_shirley_temple_400.jpg"><br><br><br><br>Ohhhhh, I loooove Shirley Temple!!!&nbsp;<img smilieid="554" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/basicsmile.gif" border="0"> That is really weird! I was just thinking about her yesterday! Doesn't she remind you of Paris Jackson a little bit?&nbsp; Oh, well, carry on... <br><br><br><br>

[friend]

when she was little yes... the curls :wub:

[Poefiend]

LOL Phoenix yes Shirley is one class act that
wont never die out! :)

[AllForMJ]

If Michael has found love then I am truly really happy for him and if he is still searching then I hope he does find that special someone. I do kind of think there is a lot of overanalysation of MJ's lyrics though in this thread and then kind of representing it as fact. I guess I'm of the opinion that MJ's love life is his business and no one else's really and if I was in his shoes I don't think I would feel comfortable about my lyrics being dissected to the degree it has been done in some posts in this thread and then saying 'oh this means he feels like this way or that way or this is what is going on in his life right now' like they really know for sure. I'm not trying to attack anyone so I hope anyone doesn't interpret what I'm saying in that way but I just think sometimes we forget MJ is a human being like the rest of us and forget that things that are really personal for example 'love life' is something which is a very private matter for everybody. I just think its important not to kind of cross the line, it's one thing to say you think MJ is in love and you hope that he is really happy but it's another to start going into specific details like the amount of relationships he may or may not have had etc.
Hey! Hi! Don't see you post in here very often. :D

Do you feel he's got a honey on his mind, or do you feel he is still going to be crying in future love songs the way he did in "Don't Walk Away?"

[AllForMJ]

<br><br><img alt="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DMbTkY19Cpc/Sa23HOlA1iI/AAAAAAAAQbk/ZR7xPRunJzM/s400/kewl_mag_shirley_temple_400.jpg" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DMbTkY19Cpc/Sa23HOlA1iI/AAAAAAAAQbk/ZR7xPRunJzM/s400/kewl_mag_shirley_temple_400.jpg"><br><br><br><br>Ohhhhh, I loooove Shirley Temple!!!&nbsp;<img smilieid="554" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/basicsmile.gif" border="0"> That is really weird! I was just thinking about her yesterday! Doesn't she remind you of Paris Jackson a little bit?&nbsp; Oh, well, carry on... <br><br><br><br>
Oh wow!!! I used to LOVE watching Shirley Temple!! Do any of the networks ever show re-runs?

[Sdeidjs]

Thanks :) , but you can carry on. I don't think I'm in the mood for it, but if I change my mind I'll add something.




Yeah, I'm looking forward to reading more of Ape's story. I don't post much but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying what I read :)

"Goodness Gracious Ladies & Gents" lol, that's cute :)

Awwwe...Golly Gee Wilickers...Thank You

[Sdeidjs]

"Goodness Gracious Ladies & Gents" <------ reminds me of Something
Shirley Temple said back in the day LOL
:)

Come on now Poe...Giggles...you do know that are revealing our age..:cheeky:

I love Shirley Temple...growing up...watched the Three Stooges, and the Little Rascals (Spanky & The Gang) too...

[Ashtanga]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DMbTkY19Cpc/Sa23HOlA1iI/AAAAAAAAQbk/ZR7xPRunJzM/s400/kewl_mag_shirley_temple_400.jpg



Ohhhhh, I loooove Shirley Temple!!! :) That is really weird! I was just thinking about her yesterday! Doesn't she remind you of Paris Jackson a little bit? Oh, well, carry on...






Hmmm it has something that resembles a Paris... the sweet and innocent look of a child. :wub::)

Ahhhhh so beautiful, a little princess. Thanks for posting this beautiful picture. She is very pretty! Wow, you made me remember something... Here in Brazil there is a presenter of a children's program called "Maísa", she has 6 years of age. The look of it is inspired by Shirley Temple and she is very like her!


The Shirley Temple Brazilian:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4493/maisasabadoanimadosbt.jpg





Shirley and Maísa:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/315/shirleymaisa6.jpg

[AllForMJ]

Well, now that it's wrong to talk about MJ's love songs the way he is singing them, what would you all like to talk about in the love and romance thread that is now dead? Any ideas? lol

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Maybe we should keep one of those thingys near by to use when some have heart attacks. LOL What is that thing called again? You know that thing that sends electricity through the body to get the heart going again.

We need a virtual one in the love and romance thread. :lol:

[friend]

^ defibrillation

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Clear! C'mon, DMJFLITD? You can't die on us now! We've got a heartbeat! I think she's gonna make it!



http://www.cardiac-defibrillators.com/assets/images/Defibrillator.jpg

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Okay!! LOL Well, we need to keep one mounted on the virtual wall in here for emergency purposes!! Cuz it's really hard to have a love and romance conversation about Michael Jackson without going where he's going with the love songs that he sings. He makes love sounds in them and everything! Don't y'all know that's a love sound he's making in "The Way You Make Me Feel?" And what about the way he's singing "Lady In My Life" and goodness gracious, how can we possibly ignore what he's saying in the song "In The Closet." And wait! What about where Naomi placed her hand at the beginning of the video after that car door was closed. Didn't you guys see what he let her do?

It's gonna be really difficult to talk about love and romance and not go where MJ goes with his songs. That man may be shy, but when it comes to singing about a man and woman together with the lights off, he is not shy at all.

Shoot before ever seeing DeAngelo without clothes, I remember first seeing Michael Jackson! LOL

Y'all its gonna be pretty darn tough to not say what MJ is saying in these songs and to not notice that the songs are about different women.

Example, the woman being sung about in "Heartbreaker" clearly is not the same one that's being sung about in the song "Invincible" and the one in "Invincible" clearly is not the same one that's being sung about in "Don't Walk Away."

Must I really find a way to tip-toe around things that MJ himself does not tip-toe around? Am I the only one that can hear the lyrics for "Got The Hots?!" Help me out here! Am I hearing things? I know those words are not all in my mind! Isn't that MJ singing that song? Am I losing my mind, or did I hear the word aching in not only "In The Closet," but also in "Got The Hots!"

Now, how am I supposed to tie-toe around that stuff? Someone pleeeeeese tell me how. This is very difficult to do. I mean, he was in a video with a woman's boobs facing him and he and this women were wearing nothing but towels. He's in a pond with the water just above the family jewels and he's wearing wings, but I'm supposed to act like I don't see this?

He's got a song with the word mojo in it, but oh no, I better not act like I'm noticing.

:lol: :lol:

Y'all MJ is very, very close to being a sex symbol and I can't help but notice. *sigh*

Oh my goodness, in "Break Of Dawn" he wants to take a woman on a cruise. Trust me when I say, he is not talking about a ship!
:lol:

[Sdeidjs]

Ok Ladies & Gents...

Let's get those hearts a pump in again, and the hands a sweating...

Need I say more... about Mr.Jackson's lyrics..?

IF it comes from the heart~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvBpGF8huGY

:angel:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^ *laughs*

Ya know, MP....after all that time when you would lurk around with only 2...4...maybe six posts for the longest time, I had absolutely no idea you were oozing with such personality! Thanks for finally sharing it with us! :)


This is fun, isn't it?:)

[AllForMJ]

:lol:

[Sdeidjs]

Okay!! LOL Well, we need to keep one mounted on the virtual wall in here for emergency purposes!! Cuz it's really hard to have a love and romance conversation about Michael Jackson without going where he's going with the love songs that he sings. He makes love sounds in them and everything! Don't y'all know that's a love sound he's making in "The Way You Make Me Feel?" And what about the way he's singing "Lady In My Life" and goodness gracious, how can we possibly ignore what he's saying in the song "In The Closet." And wait! What about where Naomi placed her hand at the beginning of the video after that car door was closed. Didn't you guys she what he let her do?

It's gonna be really difficult to talk about love and romance and not go where MJ goes with his songs. That man may be shy, but when it comes to singing about a man and woman together with the lights off, he is not shy at all.

Shoot before ever seeing DeAngelo without clothes, I remember first seeing Michael Jackson! LOL

Y'all its gonna be pretty darn tough to not say what MJ is saying in these songs and to not notice that the songs are about different women.

Example, the woman being sung about in "Heartbreaker" clearly is not the same one that's being sung about in the song "Invincible" and the one in "Invincible" clearly is not the same one that's being sung about in "Don't Walk Away."

Must I really find a way to tip-toe around things that MJ himself does not tip-toe around? Am I the only one that can hear the lyrics for "Got The Hots?!" Help me out here! Am I hearing things? I know those words are not all in my mind! Isn't that MJ singing that song? Am I losing my mind, or did I hear the word aching in not only "In The Closet," but also in "Got The Hots!"

Now, how am I supposed to tie-toe around that stuff? Someone pleeeeeese tell me how. This is very difficult to do. I mean, he was in a video with a woman's boobs facing him and he and this women were wearing nothing but towels. He's in a pond with the water just above the family jewels and he's wearing wings, but I'm supposed to act like I don't see this?

He's got a song with the word mojo in it, but oh no, I better not act like I'm noticing.

:lol: :lol:

Y'all MJ is very, very close to being a sex symbol and I can't help but notice. *sigh*

Oh my goodness, in "Break Of Dawn" he wants to take a woman on a cruise. Trust me when I say, he is not talking about a ship!
:lol:

AllforMJ...Just be yourself... never allow anything or anyone to change you into something or somenone you are not...:punk:

[8701girl]

AllforMJ...Just be yourself... never allow anything or anyone to change you into something or somenone you are not...:punk:


Great statement there sdeidjs! :clapping::punk:
It so true though.

[AllForMJ]

Listening to "The Way You Make Me Feel" now to make sure I am not losing my mind! :lol:

[Sdeidjs]

Listening to "The Way You Make Me Feel" now to make sure I am not losing my mind! :lol:

You mean this one..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNol31tOkU

Now your talking...Nice...:punk:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Now, how am I supposed to tie-toe around that stuff? Someone pleeeeeese tell me how. This is very difficult to do. I mean, he was in a video with a woman's boobs facing him and he and this women were wearing nothing but towels. He's in a pond with the water just above the family jewels and he's wearing wings, but I'm supposed to act like I don't see this?



:hysterical:

[Sdeidjs]

Great statement there sdeidjs! :clapping::punk:
It so true though.

I am pleased that you are pleased...:cheers:

[eu_si_cu_mine]

i love this song and i think its a lovely song and i would like to share it with u guys and i think it goes for mike and his lovely lady friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKa3ANL0HlM

please let me know what u guys think i am not a very romantic type of woman so feed back from you guys are welcome and i will apreciate it. :wub:

[8701girl]

Now, how am I supposed to tie-toe around that stuff? Someone pleeeeeese tell me how. This is very difficult to do. I mean, he was in a video with a woman's boobs facing him and he and this women were wearing nothing but towels. He's in a pond with the water just above the family jewels and he's wearing wings, but I'm supposed to act like I don't see this?

He's got a song with the word mojo in it, but oh no, I better not act like I'm noticing.

:lol: :lol:

Y'all MJ is very, very close to being a sex symbol and I can't help but notice. *sigh*

Oh my goodness, in "Break Of Dawn" he wants to take a woman on a cruise. Trust me when I say, he is not talking about a ship!
:lol:


:toofunny: :toofunny:

[AllForMJ]

Just finished listening. Heck nawwwww! I am not crazy! Mike went there!

And go and read the lyrics for "Butterflies!" Specifically, the third line of the verse after the first chorus! Now, how am I supposed to overlook what he's saying! LOL

Sorry peeps, but when "Mr. Paradise Mike" sings what he wants to sing, I'm gonna listen to what he's saying the way he is saying it!

:lol:

In "Dirty Diana" he has a line where he says, "She's touching me so to start!" Where do you guys think she is touching him? Oh wait! Can it possibly be the exact same place that he's letting Naomi Campbell touch him in the "In The Closet" video? Heck yeah!! I bet Naomi hit the bulls eye in one take! And who else touched him? Oh wait! Could it possibly be the one in the song "Dangerous?!" Ya doggone skippy! Doesn't that line go something like this? "And then it happened....she touched me!"

Ain't nothing wrong with my ears! I'm hearing exactly what Michael Joseph Paradise Jackson wants!.

:lol:

[Moddie777]

You know, every once in a while this thread takes a turn for the negative and it only happens when someone comes into it, starts an agument about not liking what's being discussed when the only thing that is actually being discussed is what MJ himself is singing about.

Then, these very same people that do this feel like they are being singled out, but do not realize that by starting an argument in a thread that is about love and romance they are actually waving a flag so everyone will look right in their direction.

Discussions about love and romance involving Michae Jackson only veer off in a negative direction when someone cannot handle the thought of him being fulfilled romantically. It happens whenever the feeling is real.

I am so glad that MJ doesn't allow anyone to dictate to him if he can fall in love or not. That man would never have a love life at all if he allowed that to happpen.

Also, did you notice this? It just dawned on me last week! lol

The song "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" has a line in it that says, "My life ain't worth living if I can't be with you," right? He's actually mentioned this very thing when he, out of the clear blue sky, wrote a heartfelt note that said, "I'm living for you and the children."

That can only be for the one that he's changed the tone of his love songs for. He is now living for her and the children.

From the "Invincible" CD on back, he used to mainly thank the children of the world for making his album possible and he used to mainly write pledges about doing everything he can to make life better for them. He's even set out to change the world so they will have a better future while growning up. He's being working really hard to keep doing his part to help them as a very wealthy celebrity that has a lot of pull.

In Living With Michael Jackson he told Bashir he would jump off a balcony if anyone ever said there were no more children in the world. Then one day, he writes a note that says, "I'm living for you and the children?" Who's that "you" person?

It is her and he feels like he has found someone to love that is worth living for. It also explains why "One More Chance" is ending with him saying, "I can't stop loving you," as well as him saying he's going to take another chance at loving again.

The love songs released since "Number Ones" are showing he is indeed taking another chance and from listening to the way that he sounds, he is happy that he did. What if he didn't give love another try?

You know what else he said in "I Just Can't Stop Loving You?" He said, "At night when the stars shine, I pray in you I'll find a love so true," right?

Now look at the love song he wrote during the trial...the song "You Are So Beautiful." In this song he says, "Your true love showed me the way...the way I had to go." And, then in "The Way You Love Me" he said the line, "...I thank the heavens above."

All the things that he has been doing and saying; the way that he looks; and the way he has been smiling are pointing to him being in love yet again.

If we could do a graph based soley on his love songs by years, we would see the line gradually going up, reaching a peak, going down and then back up again.

:yes:

Yep!!!!! I remember the "I just can't stop loving you" link to one of his latest statements. I pointed that out chapters back, lol.

And I remember your original link of "You are so beautiful" to "The way you love me".

His clues have been directly pointing at a specific lady in his life. He has told us, she has been known to him from before. He is familiar with this woman and she with him.

[8701girl]

Just finished listening. Heck nawwwww! I am not crazy! Mike went there!

And go and read the lyrics for "Butterflies!" Specifically, the third line of the verse after the first chorus! Now, how am I supposed to overlook what he's saying! LOL

Sorry peeps, but when "Mr. Paradise Mike" sings what he wants to sing, I'm gonna listen to what he's saying the way he is saying it!

:lol:

In "Dirty Diana" he has a line where he says, "She's touching me so to start!" Where do you guys think she is touching him? Oh wait! Can it possibly be the exact same place that he's letting Naomi Campbell touch him in the "In The Closet" video? Heck yeah!! I bet Naomi hit the bulls eye in one take! And who else touched him? Oh wait! Could it possibly be the one in the song "Dangerous?!" Ya doggone skippy! Doesn't that line go something like this? "And then it happened....she touched me!"

Ain't nothing wrong with my ears! I'm hearing exactly what Michael Joseph Paradise Jackson wants!.

:lol:


:lol: :lol:

[Love.him]

I don't think the songs indicate or prove when Michael met the one i.e his first wife or first major love. I just don't see the songs proving that. The songs on History don't seem to refer to his wife, though he seemed to be very in love. Maybe that shows his songs aren't so literally connected to his love life. He could be just telling a story with some songs.

I don't know that Michael would feel that songs mirror(ed) his ideal woman, ideal as in a good match.

I think Michael would be more ready for love now than during Off the Wall to Dangerous because he reached a point when he was ready to slow down. He had accomplished enough to focus on married life & raising a family, but I don't see the music proving this. It seems like Michael likes his art to give messages illustrating his desire to help make the world a better place by encouraging others to try to do the same. As for mapping out what was happening in his love life, I don't think the songs prove what was happening, but that's just me :) .


^ I would like to hear what you might think, and others here, too, of what MJ's love songs have been saying over the years about how he feels about loving one lady.

I think, AllForMJ :hug:, you have alluded to this before, but one thing that he seems to bring up in different ways all through his songs has been "marriage" and also, his strong desire to find "true love" which I think for him, based on many song lyrics, means a love that is everlasting..."for all time." And the third prevailing theme would be his wanting God's intervention in finding and bringing together he and this lady, "a love so divine."

I'm curious to know if in the earlier, (Thriller. Off the Wall) tunes, if you all think the things he is saying in the lyrics indicate that he has already met this girl?

Or do you think he is talking about just an "ideal" and then later God arranged for him to meet the lady and she fit so well the ideal that earlier songs could actually seem to be about her?

Do the lyrics seem to suggest he met the special one before Thriller, or during Bad, or after, as I think MP recommended, after Dangerous... and his heartbreak?

Do you think, AllForMJ, or anyone, that the messages about the way he feels about loving one girl, for which he might be getting across in the Invincible songs, or the songs that came after, are consistent with the types of themes in Off the Wall and Thriller and Bad's love songs?

After all MJ has been through and after all the love songs he's put out over the years, do you think MJ is basically still the same in the way he views love and what he wants out of a love relationship with one woman?



AllForMJ, hopefully this very beloved thread has no need to die. Your very many intelligent and insightful posts have blessed and stimulated so many here.

I'm sure everyone would say, "We want more!!!!" :D




^ I would like to hear what you might think, and others here, too, of what MJ's love songs have been saying over the years about how he feels about loving one lady.

I think, AllForMJ :hug:, you have alluded to this before, but one thing that he seems to bring up in different ways all through his songs has been "marriage" and also, his strong desire to find "true love" which I think for him, based on many song lyrics, means a love that is everlasting..."for all time." And the third prevailing theme would be his wanting God's intervention in finding and bringing together he and this lady, "a love so divine."

I'm curious to know if in the earlier, (Thriller. Off the Wall) tunes, if you all think the things he is saying in the lyrics indicate that he has already met this girl? Or do you think he is talking about just an "ideal" and then later God arranged for him to meet the lady and she fit so well the ideal that earlier songs could actually seem to be about her? Do the lyrics seem to suggest he met the special one before Thriller, or during Bad, or after, as I think MP recommended, after Dangerous... and his heartbreak?

Do you think, AllForMJ, or anyone, that the messages about the way he feels about loving one girl, for which he might be getting across in the Invincible songs, or the songs that came after, are consistent with the types of themes in Off the Wall and Thriller and Bad's love songs?

After all MJ has been through and after all the love songs he's put out over the years, do you think MJ is basically still the same in the way he views love and what he wants out of a love relationship with one woman?



AllForMJ, hopefully this very beloved thread has no need to die. Your very many intelligent and insightful posts have blessed and stimulated so many here.

I'm sure everyone would say, "We want more!!!!" :D

[Ashtanga]

:scratch:

[Lily]

In the pictures of MJ from today he's holding a picture of someone, and quite clearly it seems it's for everyone to see.....is it his lady love?

[8701girl]

^aww it would be cute if he was :D

[AllForMJ]

I don't think the songs indicate or prove when Michael met the one i.e his first wife or first major love. I just don't see the songs proving that. The songs on History don't seem to refer to his wife, though he seemed to be very in love. Maybe that shows his songs aren't so literally connected to his love life. He could be just telling a story with some songs.

I don't know that Michael would feel that songs mirror(ed) his ideal woman, ideal as in a good match.

I think Michael would be more ready for love now than during Off the Wall to Dangerous because he reached a point when he was ready to slow down. He had accomplished enough to focus on married life & raising a family, but I don't see the music proving this. It seems like Michael likes his art to give messages illustrating his desire to help make the world a better place by encouraging others to try to do the same. As for mapping out what was happening in his love life, I don't think the songs prove what was happening, but that's just me :) .

Well, Love.him, you can believe what you want to believe. But, I'm going tell you this and then I am moving on.

When MJ came out here for his autograph signing my friend asked him for a kiss. She asked him in front of people. He told her yes and then they kissed each other on the lips. He liked that kiss and he liked returning it in front of those watching.

After getting that kiss from her, he wanted her to stay there with him until he finished signing autographs. He told her to come and see him that evening at his hotel.

When she asked him for what, he looked at her and said, "To see me."

When she asked him what he meant by to see me, he gave her the look that men give when they want to spend quality time with a lady, he slowed down his words and repeated "To...see...me."

And with that, Love.him...I am done. Take it what ever way you'd like.

Now, I'm going back to having fun. I don't feel like being mad. Maybe you do, but I had a nice weekend and I'm going to allow it to be extended into today...

[8701girl]

[quote=AllForMJ;1878756]When MJ came out here for his autograph signing my friend asked him for a kiss. She asked him in front of people. He told her yes and then they kissed each other on the lips. He liked that kiss and he liked returning it in front of those watching.

After getting that kiss from her, he wanted her to stay there with him until he finished signing autographs. He told her to come and see him that evening at his hotel.

When she asked him for what, he looked at her and said, "To see me."

When she asked him what he meant by to see me, he gave her the look that men give when they want to spend quality time with a lady, he slowed down his words and repeated "To...see...me."

quote]

Aww that is cute :wub:

[Love.him]

Yeah, you posted this in another thread. No one was trying to ruin your day.


Well, Love.him, you can believe what you want to believe. But, I'm going tell you this and then I am moving on.

When MJ came out here for his autograph signing my friend asked him for a kiss. She asked him in front of people. He told her yes and then they kissed each other on the lips. He liked that kiss and he liked returning it in front of those watching.

After getting that kiss from her, he wanted her to stay there with him until he finished signing autographs. He told her to come and see him that evening at his hotel.

When she asked him for what, he looked at her and said, "To see me."

When she asked him what he meant by to see me, he gave her the look that men give when they want to spend quality time with a lady, he slowed down his words and repeated "To...see...me."

And with that, Love.him...I am done. Take it what ever way you'd like.

Now, I'm going back to having fun. I don't feel like being mad. Maybe you do, but I had a nice weekend and I'm going to allow it to be extended into today...

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Oh my...I don't know if my post was worthy of quoting twice...maybe not even once. :lol: But thanks for sharing your thoughts on it, Love.him.

AllForMJ, I am glad you are being so light-hearted and cheery.

I don't think anyone would say that MJ has not included some sexual references in his past songs.

But I think this thread could carry on well with discussing it's topic without going there. This thread is talking about MJ being in love at this present time, and did he meet the girl originally in the dark? Do we see signs of this in his lyrics? Is that not the topic of this thread?

It has already been mentioned that bringing up this other side of MJ, which true is most likely there, that it is too personal of a subject and not being respectful towards Michael. In a way, it is like sensationalism...which usually steers one from the more important aspects or substance of a person. And I beleive it was MimiK who brought up that a beautiful part of love is the eros type of love, I am sure MJ has that in mind to incorporate in his relationship with the woman he loves. But that is private and personal and we dont need to go there, nor discuss his involvement with other women in the past in that way either...even if it is obvious in his lyrics.

It has no bearing on his new love. It's the past. So there is no need to discuss it...even if it went on. And MJ may have been the one to include such references in his songs, but one can be bolder in the arts. It doesn't mean he would bring these things up to a person who he is having a conversatation with in real life, or be happy about others talking about it on a public site.

Just in case he would feel some invasion through this, let's be considerate.

But let's continue talking about the topic of the thread.:)
:lol:

This is so funny to me. Someone comes in and practically starts an argument in a love and romance thread and then I'm supposed to act like that I'm not noticing that as well.

:lol:

[Love.him]

I thought you asked some good questions. The one towards the end about if Michael's outlook about love has changed was particularly interesting. I wondered how he would handle it in an interview with someone he can trust.

I agree with the rest of what you posted below. Michael maintained an air of mystery for a reason. He is a private person & he has said himself that he needs his privacy. It's not fair to strip him of it if in fact what she posted is 100% accurate.

You see, AllForMJ, it's not just me who sees a need for respecting MJ's privacy!


Oh my...I don't know if my post was worthy of quoting twice...maybe not even once. :lol: But thanks for sharing your thoughts on it, Love.him.

AllForMJ, I am glad you are being so light-hearted and cheery.

I don't think anyone would say that MJ has not included some sexual references in his past songs.

But I think this thread could carry on well with discussing it's topic without going there. This thread is talking about MJ being in love at this present time, and did he meet the girl originally in the dark? Do we see signs of this in his lyrics? Is that not the topic of this thread?

It has already been mentioned that bringing up this other side of MJ, which true is most likely there, that it is too personal of a subject and not being respectful towards Michael. In a way, it is like sensationalism...which usually steers one from the more important aspects or substance of a person. And I beleive it was MimiK who brought up that a beautiful part of love is the eros type of love, I am sure MJ has that in mind to incorporate in his relationship with the woman he loves. But that is private and personal and we dont need to go there, nor discuss his involvement with other women in the past in that way either...even if it is obvious in his lyrics.

It has no bearing on his new love. It's the past. So there is no need to discuss it...even if it went on. And MJ may have been the one to include such references in his songs, but one can be bolder in the arts. It doesn't mean he would bring these things up to a person who he is having a conversatation with in real life, or be happy about others talking about it on a public site.

Just in case he would feel some invasion through this, let's be considerate.

But let's continue talking about the topic of the thread.:)

[AllForMJ]

But let's continue talking about the topic of the thread.:)
queen g, it's close to impossible to do that now. Strife always destroys love and romance.

Let Love.him do it. I'm not sure how to lead a discussion of strife/love and romance all in the same conversation.

For me, it's like trying to mix oil and water.

:lol:

[AllForMJ]

You see, AllForMJ, it's not just me who sees a need for respecting MJ's privacy!
Okey dokey, Love.him. Why don't you go and created a thread to provide me with a model of what you would prefer to see and I'll come over and check it out. Come get me when you're ready for me to see it. How's that? I'm willing to come over and observe if that's what you would like.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Now, to those that are waiting for me to finish posting the breakdown of the songs starting from the love song in "HIStory..."

I have pulled songs from Youtube for all of the remaining love songs from "HIStory" on up to "Thriller 25," but I haven't fully typed out my thoughts on the songs yet. It's going to take me a little while to go through them again. I've been tied up with so many different things lately. I've been doing a lot of ripping and running. My plate has been packed! lol

[AllForMJ]

No, it is not impossible. It is only if you want it to be.



Everyone has an opportunity when they are feeling strife to rise up above it and do the right thing. To behave with dignity and respectfully.
queen g, I'm just going to come on out and say it this way...

I am trying really, really hard to be nice to this person that keeps talking to me. I am biting my tongue. You just don't know how much I am biting it.

We should drop this and just let Love.him create his or her love and romance thread for us to read.

I have been a member of this community since 2003. I have well over 4,500 posts on this forum. I was not born yesterday. I do not need anyone telling about respect. Where was Love.him when Sneddon was trying to attack MJ via this forum during the trial? You don't really think I'm going to have someone come here trying to control me with her thoughts and this person just got here a couple of years ago. Do I owe Love.him something? If so, no one told me.

Love.him is saying this should be a light-hearted discussion, right? Go back however many pages needed to see when and where it veered away from that and then ask yourself who caused it to veer off course. You will see that it is the very same person that is saying the discussion should be light-hearted.

[8701girl]

when Sneddon was trying to attack MJ via this forum during the trial? You .

Okayyy did i miss something here...did sneddon really do that??? :blink: :blink:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

Guys can we please stop the bickering?
Its not nice fighting like this :(

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

wow :unsure: I haven't been online since the day after my last post and during that time period we were ..... lessee ....

....posting songs from "her" potential p.o.v., some were responding to my 'book' about potential "meddlers", and I was waiting with baited breath for someone to take on MimiK's song list which he feels reveals 1 singular 'storyline' or Love Story, as the list is titled.

What happened? :brow:


If an individual disagrees with you on one point it does not invalidate everything you have shared so far or contributed to this lovely thread. You are well thought of here.:better: that sure is the truth :yes:


Could not the song list perhaps narrow things down and that way everyone could use it as a context for making all points PLUS we get to follow 'a storyline' as the thread title suggests...how 'bout that? :flowers:


After noticing that MimaK said that we have to go deeper within to extract 1 storyline from the list, I've had some ideas but, I will have to save my thoughts on that for another time

AllforMJ, you're doing an amazing job of uncovering so much meaning in the music. . . and really looking forward to what you do with that list! :cheeky: that way you could give the individual eras a rest. Its undoubtedly exhaustive work.

To All:

I'd like to dedicate the following song to all of us who have grown by reading one another's observations and others of us who've so boldly expressed our views on the music within this thread...btw, the meaning in this song, is what you make it. :cheeky:

whatever it is to you ... :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:.. ..and whatever it is to me

one of my favorites ..

:listeningtomusic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30&NR=1

p.s.

AllforMJ, these are for you :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: for starting this thread and keeping it on track as you typically do amazingly well. :yes: :) believe it. You are a great strife-diffuser!

:better: and um...

unless I missed something, you could close that limo door any day now :giggle: don't forget, k?

and Everyone, let's get working on MimaK's list! :flowers: Give this "love story" a sense of direction ... how 'bout that? :)

That way everybody still gets to make their points ... but with some context :lol:

:flowers: :) (loving everyone here in this thread - God be with us all, for all time indeed, amen)

[Sdeidjs]

Out of RESPECT and ADMIRATION for Mr.Jackson and his aledged sweetheart...

The recent negative energy is surly taking away all the beauty from the luminaries that this thread was created for...

Can WE please move forward with this thread..?

"In complete darkness we are all the same, it is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us...DON'T let your eyes deceive you..!"

Janet Jackson
Rhythm Nation

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth

[Love.him]

Nice song, well chosen. As for me only being an MJ fan since the other day, actually, I was a fan before the internet was invented. I was living in NY when Michael was first accused in 1993. My time here does not capture how long I've been a fan or the fact that I am old enough to remember stuff from the 70s. So when AllForMJ tries to tell me how to see Michael she is not realizing that I've actually seen it for myself as much as a fan can who does not know Michael. I am well aware of the religious background he grew up with & how it effected his image, one he wanted to projected, but for some reason there is something wrong with the fact that he maintained that image in AllForMJ's mind. I have said that we should move on from the disagreement, but AllForMJ is the one holding up the thread with her increasingly obvious sarcasm. Obviously, I've touched a nerve. If you're seeing issues in yourself that need to be resolved taking it out on me won't solve them. I suggest you take it to God in prayer since you like to project yourself as a Christian.


wow :unsure: I haven't been online since the day after my last post and during that time period we were ..... lessee ....

....posting songs from "her" potential p.o.v., some were responding to my 'book' about potential "meddlers", and I was waiting with baited breath for someone to take on MimiK's song list which he feels reveals 1 singular 'storyline' or Love Story, as the list is titled.

What happened? :brow:

that sure is the truth :yes:


Could not the song list perhaps narrow things down and that way everyone could use it as a context for making all points PLUS we get to follow 'a storyline' as the thread title suggests...how 'bout that? :flowers:


After noticing that MimaK said that we have to go deeper within to extract 1 storyline from the list, I've had some ideas but, I will have to save my thoughts on that for another time

AllforMJ, you're doing an amazing job of uncovering so much meaning in the music. . . and really looking forward to what you do with that list! :cheeky: that way you could give the individual eras a rest. Its undoubtedly exhaustive work.

To All:

I'd like to dedicate the following song to all of us who have grown by reading one another's observations and others of us who've so boldly expressed our views on the music within this thread...btw, the meaning in this song, is what you make it. :cheeky:

whatever it is to you ... :cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:.. ..and whatever it is to me

one of my favorites ..

:listeningtomusic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30&NR=1

p.s.

AllforMJ, these are for you :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: for starting this thread and keeping it on track as you typically do amazingly well. :yes: :) believe it. You are a great strife-diffuser!

:better: and um...

unless I missed something, you could close that limo door any day now :giggle: don't forget, k?

and Everyone, let's get working on MimaK's list! :flowers: Give this "love story" a sense of direction ... how 'bout that? :)

That way everybody still gets to make their points ... but with some context :lol:

:flowers: :) (loving everyone here in this thread - God be with us all, for all time indeed, amen)

[AllForMJ]

If something is making your blood boil it might be something else going on. What is it, AllForMJ?
I gotta make a quick run this morning, but when I come back, I will show you exactly what's getting to me.

[AGB]

Hey! Hi! Don't see you post in here very often. :D

Do you feel he's got a honey on his mind, or do you feel he is still going to be crying in future love songs the way he did in "Don't Walk Away?"

I don't know AllForMJ. He might have a special someone, he might not, I really don't know. What is important in my eyes is that he is happy and content :).

[Sdeidjs]

Nice song, well chosen. As for me only being an MJ fan since the other day, actually, I was a fan before the internet was invented. I was living in NY when Michael was first accused in 1993. My time here does not capture how long I've been a fan or the fact that I am old enough to remember stuff from the 70s. So when AllForMJ tries to tell me how to see Michael she is not realizing that I've actually seen it for myself as much as a fan can who does not know Michael. I am well aware of the religious background he grew up with & how it effected his image, one he wanted to projected, but for some reason there is something wrong with the fact that he maintained that image in AllForMJ's mind. I have said that we should move on from the disagreement, but AllForMJ is the one holding up the thread with her increasingly obvious sarcasm. Obviously, I've touched a nerve. If you're seeing issues in yourself that need to be resolved taking it out on me won't solve them. I suggest you take it to God in prayer since you like to project yourself as a Christian.

Just let it go...Geez Oh peat...enough of the doggin already..!

[LindaC781]

OMG. Please, save the drama for your mama!!

I know that MJ is going to meet or has already met someone very special to him. And I am very happy for him. I think we all need to be happy for that day, when that happens. He can't be married to all of us...that is, unless he's still living in Bahrain (I heard that men can have multiple wives there). And if that's the case, I demand to be Wife Number 1! (sssshhh...) :D

[Ashtanga]

OMG. Please, save the drama for your mama!!

I know that MJ is going to meet or has already met someone very special to him. And I am very happy for him. I think we all need to be happy for that day, when that happens. He can't be married to all of us...that is, unless he's still living in Bahrain (I heard that men can have multiple wives there). And if that's the case, I demand to be Wife Number 1! (sssshhh...) :D

You're right, Michael lived in Bahrain if he could assemble a harem. I think I would give it in very well. All women would fight for Michael to have much to share it with the other wives! lol! I think he would go down in history as the man who has had the largest number of wives! lol! Who are applying for the position of Mrs. Jackson? :wild::wild::wild::wub::wub::wub:

[Ape]

I know you guys are joking but wouldn't that be awful to actually be one wife out of thousands or even more than one? I could never do that. I don't care who it is to. It would really suck having to share your husband with other wives.

AllforMJ do you really feel that way; that this is your thread and people who disagree with how you see things should make their own thread? I am not bashing or anything here, I know my tone can't come across the internet. I just ask because I would feel funny sharing my views on things, and that start of a mini sideline story probably isn't something you want in here if you feel like this is your place to share and people who have differing views need to make their own thread. I know you can't reply to PM's easily so I thought I may as well ask here.

Should another thread be made then for other opinions on a similar topic, or are you just asking for respect for your opinions and the thread topic and spirit of the thread?

[Ashtanga]

I know you guys are joking but wouldn't that be awful to actually be one wife out of thousands or even more than one? I could never do that. I don't care who it is to. It would really suck having to share your husband with other wives.




We're kidding. :cheeky: Seriously... In my opinion have several wives, I do not think combining with Michael. It is a very delicate situation and it involves feelings and emotions. It is not that kind of man we met there. If he was such a man for sure love to have several women to display as a trophy.

Michael needs a woman that loves the truth of body and soul unconditionally. Michael must feel safe with this woman as if she were his nest for him never feel fear and have difficulties in solving the challenges of life. She has to be there beside him in times when good and the bad help always follow the best path. I'm sure God is taking care of it. Michael will still be very happy and loved unconditionally! :)

[Ape]

That's a really nice post :)

[Ashtanga]

That's a really nice post :)


Thanks Ape! :D

[Magicgirl]

This thread is so long that I can't follow it all, but in some part of it somebody was composing a fairy-tale with MJ as main hero, it would be nice if somebody wrote the continuation :) Doesn't matter if it will be based on one fairy-tale or many of them or none of existing ones...

[Sdeidjs]

I know you guys are joking but wouldn't that be awful to actually be one wife out of thousands or even more than one? I could never do that. I don't care who it is to. It would really suck having to share your husband with other wives.

AllforMJ do you really feel that way; that this is your thread and people who disagree with how you see things should make their own thread? I am not bashing or anything here, I know my tone can't come across the internet. I just ask because I would feel funny sharing my views on things, and that start of a mini sideline story probably isn't something you want in here if you feel like this is your place to share and people who have differing views need to make their own thread. I know you can't reply to PM's easily so I thought I may as well ask here.

Should another thread be made then for other opinions on a similar topic, or are you just asking for respect for your opinions and the thread topic and spirit of the thread?

I must comment that I whole heartedly agree you about having to share one (s) husband with other wives...

There are three things that I feel that are very disrespectful... is a lier, thief, and a cheat..!

[Sdeidjs]

We're kidding. :cheeky: Seriously... In my opinion have several wives, I do not think combining with Michael. It is a very delicate situation and it involves feelings and emotions. It is not that kind of man we met there. If he was such a man for sure love to have several women to display as a trophy.




Michael needs a woman that loves the truth of body and soul unconditionally. Michael must feel safe with this woman as if she were his nest for him never feel fear and have difficulties in solving the challenges of life. She has to be there beside him in times when good and the bad help always follow the best path. I'm sure God is taking care of it. Michael will still be very happy and loved unconditionally! :)


Again...absolutely and wholeheartedly agree..!

:cheers:

[Ape]

Magicgirl, that was me but I was thinking maybe I should make another thread outside of this one for it? Just so that it doesn't get too off topic in here as I don't want it to take away from anything in here. So? Does that sound like a plan? I could put it in Michaelmania and anyone could add to it whatever they wish, a chapter at a time, or just read and reply.

[Ashtanga]

Again...absolutely and wholeheartedly agree..!

:cheers:
Thank you for agreeing with me! :D:)

[Sdeidjs]

This thread is so long that I can't follow it all, but in some part of it somebody was composing a fairy-tale with MJ as main hero, it would be nice if somebody wrote the continuation :) Doesn't matter if it will be based on one fairy-tale or many of them or none of existing ones...

I would think as long as it has to do with Mr.Jackson love & romance...why not..?

In my opinion, the story about Michael the King and the Princess was a nice touch to this Thread...

:angel:

[Ape]

OK, then let's continue until or unless AllforMJ would rather it be in a different thread. If that happens I'll move it with no hard feelings. Would anyone care to continue on? Or should we all?

[Love.him]

I look forward to reading more of your story, Ape :)


OK, then let's continue until or unless AllforMJ would rather it be in a different thread. If that happens I'll move it with no hard feelings. Would anyone care to continue on? Or should we all?

[Sdeidjs]

OK, then let's continue until or unless AllforMJ would rather it be in a different thread. If that happens I'll move it with no hard feelings. Would anyone care to continue on? Or should we all?

We are interested in learning more from AllforMJ and her thoughts about Mr.Jackson's songs, lyric's etc.

AND...

We want to know what happens next with the King & the Princess...:cheeky:

Both are most interesting...

[Love.him]

Everyone has contributed something interesting to this thread. We are all looking forward to the thread moving forwards. :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

We are interested in learning more from AllforMJ and her thoughts about Mr.Jackson's songs, lyric's etc.

AND...

We want to know what happens next with the King & the Princess...:cheeky:

Both are most interesting...


I couldn't have said it better myself!!!:yes::clapping::cheers:

[Ape]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)

[Ashtanga]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)


Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww I loved your story! :wild: :clapping: It is so sweet... You write very well and is very creative! I also love writing... poems.

I am curious to read the next chapters... :D

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)

Aww lovely story u did there ape :wub: :clapping:

[SoS]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)Ape!!! You are AWESOME! I may not post after every installment but know that from deep in my heart you are getting a STANDING 'O' from me my dear! :clapping: really great!!!!

[Ape]

:) thank you guys. I read it to my son who wanted to hear more when I got to the end, so that was a pretty nice compliment knowing he approved.

(aww thank you sos too, I will remember this post after every time I write something ;) )

[Ashtanga]

:) thank you guys. I read it to my son who wanted to hear more when I got to the end, so that was a pretty nice compliment knowing he approved.

(aww thank you sos too, I will remember this post after every time I write something ;) )


Keep writing and I am anxious to read the next chapter! :yes::D

[8701girl]

Im looking forward to the next chapter too ape

[SoS]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)


:) thank you guys. I read it to my son who wanted to hear more when I got to the end, so that was a pretty nice compliment knowing he approved.

(aww thank you sos too, I will remember this post after every time I write something ;) ) You are a sweet heart! God bless you for that. Keep 'em coming, Girl.

I'd love to see someone volunteer to do the illustrations for the coffee table version. ;) :yes: :)

[Ape]

queen g is great at that stuff. I'll volunteer her and anyone else who enjoys that sort of thing ;) . (Good idea!)

[8701girl]

Yeh queen g is good :D

[Sdeidjs]

Alright then.. and also remember that any of you can add to the story if you wish. If you don't, then I will try to keep going with it. I had some fun, but am not done. I'll post it anyways.


Part trois:

After dinner King Michael, unable to release her from his mind, went for a stroll to ease his busy brain. He dressed up in one of his servants clothing as a mild disguise. This time his mind was on exactly where he was headed. Part of him wished for her to still be at the stream, though he knew it was unlikely. On his way there, something caught his attention long before he'd reach his private place. Downstream from the spot, he noticed a little girl playing with one of the little leaf boats build by his maiden, in a pool of water that had collected aside the stream.

He watched the little girl for a moment in her innocence. She played rapt inside her imagination much like the one who'd created the boat. The king found himself getting lost in his own dreamland while his feet sought out the destination of his destiny. When he'd arrived, he found he was alone. The ground was still warm from where her body lay. The moss, still compressed with her imprint. He bent down to touch the outline of the one who'd captivated him in such a small but beautiful moment. It had been years since he'd felt this way about another. He couldn't allow himself to get carried away and fall too quickly. Maybe it was a blessing that she had left before he arrived.

The king sat himself down in the spot she had occupied not long before. He touched the grass that grew along the waters edge, ran his hand along the grass, then the moss, till it reached a twig. He picked it up and looked around for a leaf. Just as he went to grab the perfect one, a foot stepped down upon it breaking his focus. He followed the foot upward towards what he thought was the face of an angel. Her hair, surrounded by a halo of light from behind. She was magnificent and even more beautiful and ethereal than she'd appeared before.

“You are in my spot,” she whispered.

“I'm sorry, I... it..it looked quite comfortable.” He blushed, feeling foolish for having been caught playing.

“It is isn't it?” She teased with a wink of her eye.”What were you doing?”

He looked down at his hands which held a twig in one and a patch of moss in the other. “Well I was...uh”

“You were?”

“I was just ..” he looked up at her “..gathering some fuel for the fire.” He finished resolutely.

“I see. That won't build much of a fire. I can show you where there's some better, dryer moss and twigs that would suit you well, if you'll give me back that twig that you've got there. You see, I'd set it aside for something special before you got here.”

“Had you? Well I apologize.” he said as he passed the lady the twig and stood up “It's all yours..” he said as she grabbed it, and he held on “..IF you show me what you're doing with it.”

They stared for a moment, each studying the other before she finally broke the silence.

“Alright” she smiled “, I'll show you what I make with it, if you promise to think of me each time you make one of your own.”

“it's a deal” the king said as he let go of the twig.

She immediately sat back down in her spot. He sat down beside her, and she went to work on the an elaborate ship, much bigger and intricate than the boats he'd seen her make earlier. He was amazed at her workmanship over something that would only last a short voyage before it would collapse at it's first rapid.

(I'm not really done but my kids came home from school and I have lots I have to do)

Be still my heart Ape...impressive~~~tell us more...!

:angel:

[Sdeidjs]

AllFor MJ...We are waiting~~~

:angel:

[MimiK]

popping my head in quickly to say:




i love you ALL, very, very, much.



MIMIK

[Ape]

Awww, I bet you say that to all the girls ;)

(lol, sorry, it was begging to be said)

:hug:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

popping my head in quickly to say:




i love you ALL, very, very, much.



MIMIK


:wub:

[AllForMJ]

Okay y'all!! We're going to go back to having the fun we were having!!! Because no matter how many times this thread will veer off into a direction that has nothing to do with love and romance, Michael Joseph Jackson will STILL be that sexy man that he is!!!

SO, I'm going to try and pretend like it did not go where it was going and get back to doing what I was doing. And no matter what was said or is said or will be said, I will still have to finish posting LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS for the rest of the songs that were provided by mimik the owl that likes to stay up all night!!

:lol:

PLUS...I had too nice of a weekend in Los Angeles with my sons checking out MJ's exhibit!!! And you guys!!! I went inside of his tour bus before I left!!! You know how some people have been saying MJ has this aroma of vanilla and chocolate going on?!!

IT'S TRUE!!! The inside of his tour bus smelled like VANILLA AND CHOCOLATE!!!

:lol: :wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Okay y'all!! We're going to go back to having the fun we were having!!! Because no matter how many times this thread will veer off into a direction that has nothing to do with love and romance, Michael Joseph Jackson will STILL be that sexy man that he is!!!

SO, I'm going to try and pretend like it did not go where it was going and get back to doing what I was doing. And no matter what was said or is said or will be said, I will still have to finish posting LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS for the rest of the songs that were provided by mimik the owl that likes to stay up all night!!

:lol:





:wild::clapping::clapping::clapping::cheers:

[Love.him]

I do think that particular post of mine was a bit much, queen g, I agree.



Love.him, I can honestly tell you, that as a believer in God, and a Christian, and one who has blown it many times over in front of others, giving many, no doubt, a good basis to say this very same thing to me, all due to my own frailty and at times foolishness, that still...if someone said this to me, it would hurt me very, very much.

Are you really wanting to say something this hurtful and offending here to another?



It's okay, AllForMJ, I'm thinking maybe you are not understanding what I meant by this, and there is no need to discuss it further. I know it is difficult for you (technically) to converse via PMs, but if we could do it that way, behind the scenes from now on, then I would be willing to talk with you some more on this, but no longer here in the thread. Okay?


That's always a good sign. I'm looking forward to see what happens next too. :)


:) thank you guys. I read it to my son who wanted to hear more when I got to the end, so that was a pretty nice compliment knowing he approved.

(aww thank you sos too, I will remember this post after every time I write something ;) )

Nice one :)


Okay y'all!! We're going to go back to having the fun we were having!!! Because no matter how many times this thread will veer off into a direction that has nothing to do with love and romance, Michael Joseph Jackson will STILL be that sexy man that he is!!!

SO, I'm going to try and pretend like it did not go where it was going and get back to doing what I was doing. And no matter what was said or is said or will be said, I will still have to finish posting LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS for the rest of the songs that were provided by mimik the owl that likes to stay up all night!!

:lol:

PLUS...I had too nice of a weekend in Los Angeles with my sons checking out MJ's exhibit!!! And you guys!!! I went inside of his tour bus before I left!!! You know how some people have been saying MJ has this aroma of vanilla and chocolate going on?!!

IT'S TRUE!!! The inside of his tour bus smelled like VANILLA AND CHOCOLATE!!!

:lol: :wub:

[8701girl]

IT'S TRUE!!! The inside of his tour bus smelled like VANILLA AND CHOCOLATE!!!

:lol: :wub:

Ohhh sounds like a very yummy bus to me :lol:

[Ape]

SO, I'm going to try and pretend like it did not go where it was going and get back to doing what I was doing. And no matter what was said or is said or will be said, I will still have to finish posting LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS for the rest of the songs that were provided by mimik the owl that likes to stay up all night!!



Hello allforMJ. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts but I have to ask, just so I am sure, and because of what you have underlined and bolded, which may or may not be saying something more, Do you not want the mini story I starting posting, in here? Would you rather I move it to it's own thread since it is not lyric interpretation? Just so you know, I am going to keep asking till you answer that question ;) ...lol. To avoid hard feelings in case you don't want it here and think I should be able to figure that out. I can't figure it out. Let me know one way or another please. :) Whether you like it, and it can stay, or you'd rather it wasn't in here. I'm fine either way and understand if you think it doesn't belong.

Maybe you could clarify your intentions for this thread and where you would like to see it headed?

[Ashtanga]

There should be no hard feelings here and we should respect the opinion of each one, after all love the same person: Michael Jackson. There will always be different views and always discuss a healthy and fun way respecting and listening to the views of others. So we will not break the wonderful climate that was there! :) And that our discussion healthy and fun continue...

What will be the next theme to be discussed? :)

[Love.him]

Hugs & kisses for you :cheers: :)


popping my head in quickly to say:




i love you ALL, very, very, much.



MIMIK

[Lily]

There should be no hard feelings here and we should respect the opinion of each one, after all love the same person: Michael Jackson. There will always be different views and always discuss a healthy and fun way respecting and listening to the views of others. So we will not break the wonderful climate that was there! :) And that our discussion healthy and fun continue...




What will be the next theme to be discussed? :)


Nicely said. :flowers:

[Momma Shannon]

I'm putting a warning into this thread as ya'll are not playing nicely.

Right now this thread will be evaluated by staff.

[Ashtanga]

Nicely said. :flowers:
Thanks!!!! :)

[Ashtanga]

I'm putting a warning into this thread as ya'll are not playing nicely.

Right now this thread will be evaluated by staff.

I hope the topic is not closed... :(

[Sdeidjs]

I'm putting a warning into this thread as ya'll are not playing nicely.

Right now this thread will be evaluated by staff.

Shannon we realize there was an issue with playing nice but I think we as mature human beings finally got all that the negative energy under control...

:clapping:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Hello allforMJ. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts but I have to ask, just so I am sure, and because of what you have underlined and bolded, which may or may not be saying something more, Do you not want the mini story I starting posting, in here? Would you rather I move it to it's own thread since it is not lyric interpretation? Just so you know, I am going to keep asking till you answer that question ;) ...lol. To avoid hard feelings in case you don't want it here and think I should be able to figure that out. I can't figure it out. Let me know one way or another please. :) Whether you like it, and it can stay, or you'd rather it wasn't in here. I'm fine either way and understand if you think it doesn't belong.

Maybe you could clarify your intentions for this thread and where you would like to see it headed?
It's a sweet story! Keep going! :flowers:

[No-Body]

Looking forward to the continuation of Ape's story and AllforMJ's interpretations :flowers:

It's nice to see that peace somewhat came back to this thread and forum. What was that first line in "Hold my hand" again?.....This life don't last forever if I ain't mistaken.

Well then...why waste it in confrontations, of any kind? This song has already been commented upon in this thread, but why don't we all give it another listen and be reminded of the joy felt last summer when, for the first time in years we got to hear Mr. Jackson's crisp, wonderful voice sing such beautiful notes of love and harmony?

And since there were some rumors going around about a potential 'humanitarian' video here goes a YouTube link featurin' good ol' wonderful earth, aka 'a capricious anomaly in the sea of space' :) to make the package complete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOXN8VmvYY

PEACE and LOVE

[Love.him]

I admire you as well, thanks :cheers:


[quote=queen g;1880352]I admire you for saying so. :hug:

[AllForMJ]

anymore music interpretations, anyone? allformj, you have been doing a good job. i await more.

Ya, I think AllforMJ has been doing grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!!! And everyone else - not too shabby!!!:clapping:

She certainly has!!! But, ALLforMJ, you are not at the moment being the most considerate to "Off The Wall" era, MJ, who's stuck in a limo... while you, no doubt, are out somewhere swimming up a storm in the depths of the HIStory Ocean. (lookin' forward to your discoveries, though) :yes:

Thank you AllforMJ I have always appreciated your honesty and heartfelt approach since the Inception of this thread! You have been nothing other than the uthmost respectful (sometimes funny as heck yes) of michael In all you've written since page 1 ! what I see Is you giving voice to michael's voice ( his music/lyrics) a place he can finally be heard above all the noise! Continue what you do and know many do recieve It well...

This is a beautiful and selfless thread and I can only pray it continues to be...

I am honored to be apart of it.

AllForMJ Please continue...and Ape what happened with the King & the Princess..?

:cheers:

AllForMJ, hopefully this very beloved thread has no need to die. Your very many intelligent and insightful posts have blessed and stimulated so many here.

I'm sure everyone would say, "We want more!!!!" :D

AllforMJ, you're doing an amazing job of uncovering so much meaning in the music. . . and really looking forward to what you do with that list! :cheeky: that way you could give the individual eras a rest. Its undoubtedly exhaustive work.
Okay, here's a recap of the albums from "Off The Wall" on up to "Thriller 25." I'm also going to continue interpreting the remainder of MimiK's list of songs since I've already found links to post from Youtube.

Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad - MJ is singing love songs where he sounds very passionate and he sounds very happy while singing about intimacy. You hear him playfully making kissing sounds in P.Y.T. He is having loads of fun during the recording sessions. When you can look at pictures of him during these time periods and see that he looks very vibrant and he is smiling a lot. He's even laughing in one of the songs. Things are going very well. Yet, it is during the "Bad" era that he starts feeling a bit agitated. At the end of the "Bad" album the last song is "Leave Me Alone." The video for "Leave Me Alone" shows he did not like the articles that were being written about him. Other than this, he was pretty much having a good time.

Dangerous - He's starting to record love songs about relationships ending. That's what you hear in "Who Is It," "Can't Let Her Get Away" and "If You Don't Love Me." This a sign that he is not having as much fun as he was having during the previous albums. Something is happening with his women. The way he sounds in "Who Is It" is a clear indication. He's crying painful tears during this album. He doesn't sound moderately hurt like he did in "She's Out Of My Life" on the "Off The Wall" album. He sounds deeply hurt. There's a major difference in the way he's crying in the two songs. The songs of unfulfillment on the "Dangerous" album are overlapping with being badgered by the tabloids. He's being hurt by those inside his life as well as those outside of his life.

HIStory - He stopped recording love songs. Instead, he is in an all out battle with the outside forces. He is now being terribly mistreated in more than one way. He's even making it publicly known that he is very upset with the tabloids. During this period in time he is not acting playful like he was during the first three solo albums. When you look at pictures of him he still looks vibrant, but all know he is not happy. He's also on the verge of experiencing more heartbreak than ever before as far as relationships are concerned.

Blood On The Dance Floor - By the time he reaches this era, he starts singing about things that clearly indicates he is getting depressed. His feeling about women start to change somewhat and his songs are saying the love and romance is not there, time being spent with women is starting to feel like it's mainly physical. When you look at pictures of him from this time period and listen to him, it's not hard to tell his is not in a playful mood at all. Around this period in time, he leaves the music scene.

Invincible - He comes back to the music scene after being gone for a long time. He's singing love songs that are about not getting played by a heartbreaker. He's being proactive with this person. He's singing about someone else playing hard to get and someone else making it hard for him to understand what she wants from him those his feelings for her are strong. He's singing in a pleading voice about not wanting to lose this person and is also crying tears of deep frustration. He's even mentioning the word pain in several of the songs on this album. In addition to this, he mentions pain during actual one on one interviews. When you look at him in pictures, he looks like all of the madness has taken a toll on him. He looks exhausted because the pain has been unyielding. You don't see him smiling hardly ever. His overall demeanor is matching the type of sad love songs that he placed on the "Invincible" CD. He's no longer just crying in private. He's shedding tears out in the open.

Number Ones - In "One More Chance" he's singing about searching for someone that he has fallen in love with. He's also starting to smile again during this period in time. It's obvious he's had a sudden burst of energy. He sounds strong while he is singing and not like he's feeling down. There's an upturn occurring. When you look at pictures of him from this period in time, you see he's starting to look vibrant again and he is also smiling and laughing again. The playfulness is coming back. But, of course, he soon goes through the most grueling thing he's ever had to go through in his life.

The Ultimate Collection - He's releasing songs about being in love and liking the way he's being treated by someone he is in love with. He's saying he likes the way he's being loved, held, touched and kissed and that he will let them see. He actually released more than one love song and all of them are saying he is feeling loved and very comfortable with the person. He actually released a love song where he says over and over that he is in love. This is a song that was for a previous recording session, but he put it away for some reason. He brings this song out during this time period as it appears to have the words that he's now feeling. And, during this time period, he is literally going through a court battle where he is fighting for his life and freedom, but when you look at him he looks more vibrant than ever and he is smiling through the majority of the court battle. It is only when he gets near the very end that he shows obvious signs of being tired. But, he quickly bounces back once he's had some time to rest following his historic victory.

Thriller 25 - He goes back to working on songs that are very upbeat. These are the remixes. In one there's a mentioning of a negligee. In another there are jeans being peeled off like a tangerine. MJ himself is the Executive Producer of this album. Therefore, MJ himself is happy with what is being said. This shows he is feeling playful again will working on his music. When you look at pictures of him during this period in time, he's looking vibrant again, he's smiling more than ever and his eyes are twinkling as well while he is smiling.

Now, take a close look at the below verses from various songs from "Dangerous" on up to "Thriller 25" and you will see exactly where MJ started leaning on his spirituality. You hear him speaking in Biblical terms in the songs listed below.

Dangerous Sessions (1990-1992)

Who Is It:
* Someone hurt my soul now
* I pray this punishment would have mercy on me

Jam:
* False prophets cry of doom
* She pray to God, to Buddha

Heal The World:
* This world is Heavenly
* Be God's glow
* See the nations turn their swords Into plowshares (this is a Bible verse)

Black Or White:
* I am tired of this devil

Give In To Me:
* Tell it to the preacher

Will You Be There:
* Hold me like the River Jordan
* A man should be faithful
* I will feel blessed
* In my trials and my tribulations

Dangerous:
* For the lips of a strange woman drop as a honeycomb and her mouth was smoother than oil

The above line in the song "Dangerous" is from Proverbs 5:3.

Actually, the entire song "Dangerous" is about Proverbs 5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=5&version=9&context=chapter

Keep The Faith:
* Just keep your eyes on the prize (this is a Bible verse)

Someone Put Your Hand Out:
* The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine. I've searched this whole wishing she'll be there time after time
* When we pray will you promise me that you'll always stay

"Someone Put Your Hand Out" shows MJ started looking to God to assist him in finding a woman. He wanted someone that believes in prayer. This shows he wanted a woman that would seek God's answers along side him.

HIStory Sessions (1995 - 1996)

You Are Not Alone:
* I can hear your prayers. Your burden I will bear.

(Something new has come to me about the song "You Are Not Alone." I will provide a breakdown later.)

Scream:
* Oh father, please have mercy 'cause I just can't take it

They Don't Care About Us:
* Oh for God's sake. I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy. Set me free

Stranger In Moscow:
* Armageddon of the brain

Invincible (2000 - 2001)

Speechless:
* My head's spinning like a carousel, so silently I pray
* Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side

Don't Walk Away:
* Should I get down on my knees and pray


The Ultimate Collection (2004)

The Way You Love Me: (recorded in 2004)
* I thank the Heavens above that I met you


We've Had Enough: (recorded in 2004)
* Deep in my soul, baby
* Just let God decide

Thriller 25 (2008)

For All Time: (w/new bridge)
* Somebody once said, it's the soul that matters
* Oh, and on these quiet days where souls embrace so silently

All of the above songs, starting from "Dangerous" on through to "Thriller 25," shows MJ started leaning on his spirituality to deal with his dilemmas. Notice that it was during the "Dangerous" era that the madness started increasing. It made absolute sense for MJ to start leaning on his spirituality at that point in time. It was the wisest thing to do as the true believer that he is.

Notice that he continued leaning on his spirituality all the way up to "Thriller 25." And, look at what he said to his mother in the thank you section of the "Thriller 25" CD cover...

"My mother, Katherine, you are the rock of our family, whom I love so very much. Thank you for your love, strength, compassion, spiritual wisdom and guidance..

Who was the first teacher in his life? His mother was. She's the one that fed him at birth. She's the one that placed him on his path to spirituality. She's the one that placed it in his to lean on when needed.

Now, when we look at all of the spiritual terms in his songs, and we look back at what all he has been through as far as relationships with women, and in having to deal with adversity, what do we see?

Here's another example. In the song "Speechless" he said, "Nothing's real, but all is possible, if God is on my side." During the trial he said , "God and the truth are on our side. We will be victorious."

What do we see?

We see that MJ's songs do coincide with things that are taking place in his life and that God does indeed answer.

:yes:

We also hear MJ saying he has found true love and that his soul has been touched by a woman in a very beautiful way. Their souls are embracing and he is thrilled.

Therefore, the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

[8701girl]

Great post allformj :clap:

[LindaC781]

Okay y'all!! We're going to go back to having the fun we were having!!! Because no matter how many times this thread will veer off into a direction that has nothing to do with love and romance, Michael Joseph Jackson will STILL be that sexy man that he is!!!

SO, I'm going to try and pretend like it did not go where it was going and get back to doing what I was doing. And no matter what was said or is said or will be said, I will still have to finish posting LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS for the rest of the songs that were provided by mimik the owl that likes to stay up all night!!

:lol:

PLUS...I had too nice of a weekend in Los Angeles with my sons checking out MJ's exhibit!!! And you guys!!! I went inside of his tour bus before I left!!! You know how some people have been saying MJ has this aroma of vanilla and chocolate going on?!!

IT'S TRUE!!! The inside of his tour bus smelled like VANILLA AND CHOCOLATE!!!

:lol: :wub:

OMG!! I'd be in heaven on that bus!! My two favorite flavors!!

Hey, I wonder if MJ read my post about the chocolate covered caramel corn??

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/ChocolateChocolateChocolateCompanyC.jpg

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Ashtanga]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/ChocolateChocolateChocolateCompanyC.jpg

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Hummmm of this new and delicious at this hour? lol! :wild::wild::wild::clapping:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I dunno if it's just me, but sometimes it seems like I can see "faces" in that big glob of popcorn. Perhaps I'm a little paranoid.:unsure:


*Raises hand* BTW, I have a question. Does anyone understand the meaning behind the song, Unbreakable? It was one of the songs on the list of love songs to interpret. Could it have been a mistake or something? No matter how many times I listen to it or read the lyrics, I can't see how it is a "love" song.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

:lol:

[MimiK]

the popcorn is simply tooo tempting, ladies. you know that, don't you? i saw that pic the last time, and i'm seeing it again now...my mouth is watering...ok, you got me,


I'M DIVING IN!!!

*splash* (does popcorn go "splash"? lol)

make sure someone comes to get me soon, though, ok? i can't stay "swimming" for long, i got too much other stuff to do.

AND whoever comes to rescue me first...gets a surprise!


MIMIK

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Huh, that was pretty interesting queen g. I never thought of it this way. I guess it is possible. Sorta like he's "mimicking" her or mimicking what he "believes" she is thinking or something. Now I'm gonna have to go and listen to it again, but from her perspective this time. It's gonna get real funny when I get to the "rap" part, lol!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

That is really an interesting perspective queen g.

AllForMJ Thank you for your reply :) Ok, it stays :D.

Has no one saved MimiK from his popcorn bath yet? Let's all do it together so we all get the surprise!! I love surprises!

(lol that was the face I saw too)

Oh and Shabaya I really liked your post, I haven't read yours yet AllforMJ because I was getting too tired to read the long posts but tomorrow I get to, when I am able to take it all in.

*pulls mimik out of the popcorn with the other ladies so we can get a prize before I head off to bed* (um ...meaning that the other ladies help me pull him out, not that he was swimming with the other ladies... or was he ;) ?)

Goodnight everyone :hug:

[Safira]

the popcorn is simply tooo tempting, ladies. you know that, don't you? i saw that pic the last time, and i'm seeing it again now...my mouth is watering...ok, you got me,


I'M DIVING IN!!!

*splash* (does popcorn go "splash"? lol)

make sure someone comes to get me soon, though, ok? i can't stay "swimming" for long, i got too much other stuff to do.

AND whoever comes to rescue me first...gets a surprise!


MIMIK

*walks by*
Oh nono! I am SO not jumping into to that sticky pile of chokolate covered popcorn to rescue that person! :bugeyed:scratch:
*walks away*

[iboz75]

What exactly is this thread suppose to be about?

[LindaC781]

What exactly is this thread suppose to be about?

Ya got me...I dunno anymore either!:wild::scratch:

[8701girl]

What exactly is this thread suppose to be about?


Well i thought it was bout asking whether mike did find love in the dark...but has ended turning to a popcorn choc fest thread lately! :lol:

[Poefiend]

:unsure: tiptoes out quietly.......

[Ashtanga]

I dunno if it's just me, but sometimes it seems like I can see "faces" in that big glob of popcorn. Perhaps I'm a little paranoid.:unsure:


*Raises hand* BTW, I have a question. Does anyone understand the meaning behind the song, Unbreakable? It was one of the songs on the list of love songs to interpret. Could it have been a mistake or something? No matter how many times I listen to it or read the lyrics, I can't see how it is a "love" song.


Hmmm... well remembered "Unbreakable" is one of my favorite songs of the album "Invincible" (I love that album! :wub:) and I love that one day she was singing live.

About your question I need to look carefully at the music lyrics. I think that there is a rivalry between the two, it seems that the two are in a game trying to show who is the best and it seems that she did something wrong and so the revolt him. Do I understood wrong? I'm almost there? lol! You left me confused now! lol! :scratch::wild:

[AllForMJ]

Although the song "Unbreakable" is not a love song, it is significant. It shows a turning point in MJ's life. It is the song where MJ is saying he will not allow anyone to continue attacking his livelihood or his manhood. The song after it which is "Heartbreaker" shows MJ will no longer stand for getting his heart broken if it is avoidable. I'll provide a further breakdown a little later, but again, "Unbreakable" is significant. MJ is showing he is standing up. He's saying he is a real man and he doesn't like playing games.

MJ would not have been able to start his love life over and be happily in love without interference until he defeated his foes. When he told them they could try to stop him, but it won't do a thing, he meant exactly that. We saw him go head to head with them, didn't we? Who's the last one standing? It's MJ, isn't it? In this present day, we are seeing who is the one standing. His enemies all took a fall. He's about to step back on stage.

And notice that before he made his decision to step back on stage, he was back to putting out heartfelt love songs. He has fallen in love again. The beautiful thing about him being in love this time is the person he has fallen in love with did not leave while he was fighting.

[Ashtanga]

Although the song "Unbreakable" is not a love song, it is significant. It shows a turning point in MJ's life. It is the song where MJ is saying he will not allow anyone to continue attacking his livelihood or his manhood. The song after it which is "Heartbreaker" shows MJ will no longer stand for getting his heart broken if it is avoidable. I'll provide a further breakdown a little later, but again, "Unbreakable" is significant. MJ is showing he is standing up. He's saying he is a real man and he doesn't like playing games.

MJ would not have been able to start his love life over and be happily in love without interference until he defeated his foes. When he told them they could try to stop him, but it won't do a thing, he meant exactly that. We saw him go head to head with them, didn't we? Who's the last one standing? It's MJ, isn't it? In this present day, we are seeing who is the one standing. His enemies all took a fall. He's about to step back on stage.

And notice that before he made his decision to step back on stage, he was back to putting out heartfelt love songs. He has fallen in love again. The beautiful thing about him being in love this time is the person he has fallen in love with did not leave while he was fighting.


Thanks! Now I'm more confused! lol! :D I have some difficulty in interpret lyrics of songs... your wonderful post! :clapping:

[LindaC781]

"faces in the popcorn"!! ROFLMAO!!

[LindaC781]

I agree about "Unbreakable". It isn't a love song. It's a statement of his, saying he isn't going to be walked over any longer.

[AllForMJ]

"faces in the popcorn"!! ROFLMAO!!
Fighting with popcorn that is coated with chocolate?!! LOL Now you know that's gonna stick! It's gonna get stuck in hair and eeeeeeverything!!!

:tease: :lol:

[LindaC781]

Fighting with popcorn that is coated with chocolate?!! LOL Now you know that's gonna stick! It's gonna get stuck in hair and eeeeeeverything!!!

:tease: :lol:

Ya know, I was lookin for a pic of chocolate and vanilla coated caramel corn, but I couldn't find one....since we were talking about chocolate and vanilla in MJ's tour bus a little while ago...:yes:

[AllForMJ]

But I realize everyone has always seen this song as fitting too well with this being MJ stating things about himself and how no one out there is going to get to him and bring him down.
This is exactly what "Unbreakable" is about.
:yes:

[LindaC781]

^ Yep. "Unbreakable" is a song about empowerment, and self-actualization.

Here he is saying "You are not going to break me. You tried, you gave it your best shot at shooting me down - but I am here to stay baby!"

I think that's the real reason why I love this song...cause he is actually realizing that there are many that would have wanted to see him falter and fail, but he's in it for the long run!! And that is so healthy for him....really....it's inspiring...and that is the reason why I want him to start his new O2 odyssey by singing this first...just to drive the point home.

According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization

Self-actualization is a term that has been used in various psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology) theories, often in slightly different ways (e.g., Goldstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Goldstein), Maslow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Maslow), Rogers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Rogers)). The term was originally introduced by the organismic theorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organismic_theory) Kurt Goldstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Goldstein) for the motive to realise all of one's potentialities. In his view, it is the master motive—indeed, the only real motive a person has, all others being merely manifestations of it. However, the concept was brought to prominence in Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_needs) theory as the final level of psychological development that can be achieved when all basic and mental needs are fulfilled and the "actualization" of the full personal potential takes place.

...

Self Actualization in Psychology

Self actualization resides at the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs) and is considered a part of the humanistic approach to personality. The humanistic approach is one of several methods used in psychology for studying, understanding, and evaluating personality. The humanistic approach was developed because other approaches, such as the psychodynamic approach made famous by Sigmund Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud), focused on unhealthy individuals that exhibited disturbed behavior.<sup id="cite_ref-Gleitman_and_Reisberg_2-2" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-Gleitman_and_Reisberg-2)</sup>
The humanistic approach focuses on healthy, motivated people and tries to determine how they define the self while maximizing their potential.<sup id="cite_ref-Gleitman_and_Reisberg_2-3" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-Gleitman_and_Reisberg-2)</sup>
Stemming from this branch of psychology is Maslow's hierarchy of needs. According to Maslow, people have lower order needs that in general must be fulfilled before high order needs can be satisfied. As a person moves up Maslow's hierarchy of needs, eventually they will reach the summit—self actualization.<sup id="cite_ref-Gleitman_and_Reisberg_2-4" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-Gleitman_and_Reisberg-2)</sup> Maslow's hierarchy of needs begins with the most basic necessities deemed "the physiological needs" in which the individual will seek out items like food and water, and must be able to perform basic functions such as breathing and sleeping.<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-6)</sup> Once these needs have been met, a person can move on to fulfilling the "the safety needs", where they will attempt to obtain a sense of security, physical comforts and shelter, employment, and property.<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-7)</sup> The next level is "the belongingness and love needs", where people will strive for social acceptance, affiliations, a sense of belongingness and being welcome, sexual intimacy, and perhaps a family.<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-8)</sup> Next are "the esteem needs", where the individual will desire a sense of competence, recognition of achievement by peers, and respect from others.<sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference">[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-9)</sup> Some argue that once these needs are met, an individual is primed for self actualization. Others argue that there are two more phases an individual must progress through before self actualization can take place. These include "the cognitive needs", where a person will desire knowledge and an understanding of the world around them, and "the aesthetic needs" which include a need for "symmetry, order, and beauty".<sup id="cite_ref-Gleitman_and_Reisberg_2-5" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-Gleitman_and_Reisberg-2)</sup> Once all these needs have been satisfied, the final stage of Maslow's hierarchy—self actualization—can take place.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_actualization#cite_note-10)

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</sup>So, in other words, MJ has reached the top, the pinnacle of Maslow's Heirarchy, if you read this song correctly...<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">
</sup>

[AllForMJ]

^ Yep. "Unbreakable" is a song about empowerment, and self-actualization.

Here he is saying "You are not going to break me. You tried, you gave it your best shot at shooting me down - but I am here to stay baby!"

I think that's the real reason why I love this song...cause he is actually realizing that there are many that would have wanted to see him falter and fail, but he's in it for the long run!! And that is so healthy for him....really....it's inspiring...and that is the reason why I want him to start his new O2 odyssey by singing this first...just to drive the point home.
Absolutely, Linda!! He should open his show with "Unbreakable!" Yep!

"Unbreakable" was the song that he wanted to release as the very first single off the "Invincible" album, but he didn't get a chance to do it. Now that he is about to kick off a series of concerts after kicking much butt, opening his show with "Unbreakable" would be the perfect song. The fans would go nuts!!! They'll be like "YEAH!!!!!!!" simultaneously! There would be a roar of excitement!!

[LindaC781]

Absolutely, Linda!! He should open his show with "Unbreakable!" Yep!

"Unbreakable" was the song that he wanted to release as the very first single off the "Invincible" album, but he didn't get a chance to do it. Now that he is about to kick off a series of concerts after kicking much butt, opening his show with "Unbreakable" would be the perfect song. The fans would go nuts!!! They'll be like "YEAH!!!!!!!" There would be a roar of excitement!!

Could you imagine, the hysteria that would cause? This song is absolutely awesome. I don't think anyone quite realizes what the impact of that song has been. Really.

[Lily]

What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

:popcorn:

I tend to believe that one too Lily. The real tragedy in not releasing "Unbreakable" first is the fact that he was silenced. He wanted to shout to the world that they didn't get to him....but Sony decided to quiet him!! But you can't quiet that type of happiness...it shoots out of your eyes, permeates your very being...it takes over your whole soul with a golden glow so bright that each one of us can see very clearly the pure happiness he is feeling right now. :yes:

[AllForMJ]

Ya know, I was lookin for a pic of chocolate and vanilla coated caramel corn, but I couldn't find one....since we were talking about chocolate and vanilla in MJ's tour bus a little while ago...:yes:
Oh yeah! lol That sweet aroma grabbed us the moment we started walking up the stairs. The way we ended up seeing his tour bus was sooooo funny!!! LOL

My sons and I had just left out of the building after being inside for a couple of hours checking out MJ's exhibit. We were heading to the parking structure where the car was, and just as we were about to go to the stairs that led there, a security guard stopped us by saying "Hey!! You can't leave yet! You have to see his tour bus! Come on! I'm going to show you where it is! You can't miss that!" Then, he immediately started leading us to it! This girl and her mother had just came out. When we got there I said, "Is it okay to go in?" He looked at me like, "Now why would you ask me that?" His facial expression was so cute! lol And then he said, "Of course you can!" After that he left.
:lol:

Now, how in the world did he know we didn't already see it?! It's not like he was standing there when we first went inside the building...at least I don't remember seeing him on our way in. But the other funny thing is, he didn't do that to the other people that went down the stairs just before we got there. And then the other thing is, his back was turned when we walked up and then he quickly turned around and said that!!! LOL

We said, "Huh?!! Where is it?! How did we miss it?!" We were laughing because of the way that he stopped us! lol

I was also thinking "What's up? What's everybody up to?" The reason why I'm saying this is because when we first got the exhibit, we walked up to the table that was set up to the left of the gates for paying admission. When we paid the lady responsible for handling admission, she just greeted up like she greeted the people that paid before us. But when we came out, she was giving is the cute look that we had notice the security personnel were giving us while we were inside! It was really cute!

While we were inside, sometimes we were together and sometimes we would split up to look at different things. It was when we were together that I noticed someone had taken a picture of us. I was like, "What? Am I trippin' or did that guy over there just point a camera at us?" Then I started thinking about the cute look that the security personnel dressed in black suits kept giving us. They were spread out throughout the entire place. Some had on black suits and some of the security personnel wore black pants and white shirts. The ones in the black suits were often seen in pairs and what was funny about them is while we were walking up we would see them talking to each other and then when we got near them, they'd give us this cute little look. They were smiling with their eyes. lol So, I was like, "hmmm what's up?"

I had asked my youngest son if he noticed it and he said yeah. But, we just kinda went along with what we were doing. It was fun looking around, taking pictures, checking out the things that MJ likes, looking at things that he's won and just taking in what makes him, him. Mike is huge! lol

So, we're done hanging out at the exhibit, we're heading to the parking structure, we're noticing that the admission lady is now giving us the same cute look that the security personnel inside were giving us and next thing you know, bam!!! That one security guard by the stairs that had his back turned, turns around and stops us with "Hey!! You can't leave yet!! You have to see his tour bus!!" LOL

It felt like someone had told him, "Okay. Here they come. Stop them when they get to you and send them back."

That's how we ended up on the tour bus that smells like chocolate and vanilla!! It's really nice inside. He has cream colored seats and dark blue carpet. I sat down for a moment in the back at one of his tables. My oldest son was standing up while checking it out and my youngest son went as far as checking out the bathroom and things. lol

It was a lot of fun and the way our visit ended was really funny!
:lol:

[Sdeidjs]

What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

:popcorn:

Lily (love your name by the way is very pretty)...the flower for my birth sign is Lily of the Valley...

In my opinion, I think Mr.Jackson's happiness has alot to do with being in :wub:

[AllForMJ]

What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

:popcorn:
He's definitely in a good place in his life...definitely. But, if we look at the way that he wrote a love song during the trial that has the words, "Your true love showed me the way...the way I had to go" and if we look at the way that he worked on songs like "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me," and if we look at what he was saying in "One More Chance" before going through the trial, as well as what he said in "Hold My Hand," he is in love again. If we can hear him when he's saying things like leave me alone and we can hear him when he's saying things like I'm unbreakable, then we should also be able to hear him when he says the words, "I'm in love."

Also, when MJ was going through that trial, he wasn't just fighting for his freedom. He was fighting for everything. He had to take back his life on all levels. He was fighting for his freedom, his name, his respect, his reputation, his livelihood, his manhood, his family, his children, his friends, his fans and his love life. When someone is trying to say he's not heterosexual when he clearly is, that forces him into a position where he has to fight for his love life. If he is a man that loves women and there is this big lie out that is saying he is not heterosexual, it will interfere with his love life. He clearly loves women. Therefore, he had to work very hard to squash that lie. He wanted it gone.

One of the things that gave him the strength to push forward was having the love of a woman in his life at the time. He needed that companionship. If he was singing about being in love before the trial, during and afterwards, it means she was there before he started fighting, while he was fighting and after he finished.

[AllForMJ]

I tend to believe that one too Lily. The real tragedy in not releasing "Unbreakable" first is the fact that he was silenced. He wanted to shout to the world that they didn't get to him....but Sony decided to quiet him!! But you can't quiet that type of happiness...it shoots out of your eyes, permeates your very being...it takes over your whole soul with a golden glow so bright that each one of us can see very clearly the pure happiness he is feeling right now. :yes:
And that is exactly what Sony did to him in 1993. They silenced him. He could have fought the Chandlers in court back in 1993 to prove his innocence, but Sony was looking out for Sony's money instead of letting MJ look out for MJ's life. What happened because of that? MJ suffered. He went through public ridicule and scorn for many years.

But, he got a chance to fight this time and Sony couldn't do a thing about it. MJ turned adversity into a window of opportunity by heading straight toward what was causing him problems and then he threw down!! He took out anyone that jumped into the fight. Like Eminem for example. He tried to take a swipe at MJ while he was fighting and what happened to him? MJ got mad and knocked his brand new album off the charts for pulling that stunt. Then he took ownership of his music. Mike was not playing. He was tired of the lies and silly games. In "Unbreakable" when he said, "Through all your lies and silly games, I will still remain the same" that is what he meant. And this time, Sony could not stop him from standing up for himself.

[LindaC781]

And that is exactly what Sony did to him in 1993. They silenced him. He could have fought the Chandlers in court back in 1993 to prove his innocence, but Sony was looking out for Sony's money instead of letting MJ look out for MJ's life. What happened because of that? MJ suffered. He went through public ridicule and scorn for many years.

But, he got a chance to fight this time and Sony couldn't do a thing about it. MJ turned adversity into a window of opportunity by heading straight toward what was causing him problems and then he threw down!! He took out anyone that jumped into the fight. Like Eminem for example. He tried to take a swipe at MJ while he was fighting and what happened to him? MJ got mad and knocked his brand new album off the charts for pulling that stunt. Then he took ownership of his music. Mike was not playing. He was tired of the lies and silly games. In "Unbreakable" when he said, "Through all your lies and silly games, I will still remain the same" that is what he meant. And this time, Sony could not stop him from standing up for himself.

Yep!! Here it is:


<!-- END OF RINGTONE 1 --> "Unbreakable"

Now I'm just wondering why you think
that you can get to me with anything
seems like you'd know by now
When and how I get down
And with all that I've been through,
I'm still around
(Yep, so just read it and Weep, Chandler!)

Don't you ever make no mistake
Baby I've got what it takes
And there's no way you'll ever get to me
Why can't you see that you'll never ever hurt me
'cause I wont let it be, see I'm too much for you baby
(Yep, that's right. I am Da Man. Bow down and show me some real respect Dammit!)

[CHORUS]
You can't believe it, you can't conceive it
and you can't touch me, 'cause I'm untouchable
and I know you hate it, and you can't take it
You'll never break me, 'cause I'm unbreakable
(I am EMPOWERED, so watch out!)

Now you can't stop me even thought you think
that if you block me, you've done your thing
and when you bury me underneath all your pain
I�m steady laughin', while surfacing
(Yep, I am laughin...all the way to the bank baby!!)

Don't you ever make no mistake
baby I've got what it takes
and there's no way you'll ever get to me
Why can't you see that you'll never ever hurt me
'cause I wont let it be, see I'm too much for you baby
(Yep. And when you got it, FLAUNT it!)
[CHORUS 2x]

You can try to stop me, but it wont do a thing
no matter what you do, I'm still gonna be here
Through all your lies and silly games
I'm a still remain the same,I'm unbreakable
(Please graduate from High School, will ya? Just go away. In fact, why don't you make like a tree and leave??)

[RAP]

[CHORUS 3x]

[AllForMJ]

Yep!!

See, Mike doesn't go around bothering people. He usually minds his own business. But, when he's being dogged and he didn't deserve it, look out!! Especially, if he's fed up with the nonsense.

Some were thinking that just because he's a kind-hearted person that speaks softly that he was some sort of a push over, but he's not. Kindness is not a sign of weakness. A person with a strong spiritual foundation and God in their life is capable of doing big things.

:yes:

[Sdeidjs]

Yep!!

See, Mike doesn't go around bothering people. He usually minds his own business. But, when he's being dogged and he didn't deserve it, look out!! Especially, if he's fed up with the nonsense.

Some were thinking that just because he's a kind-hearted person that speaks softly that he was some sort of a push over, but he's not. Kindness is not a sign of weakness. A person with a strong spiritual foundation and God in their life is capable of doing big things.

:yes:

:angel:When WE got God by our side...There is no stopp'in us~~~

[MimiK]

for Ape, for being so brave and rescuing me:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

and


:hug: :kiss: :wub:


that was soooo very kind of you to do that! and no one else would! :(

the popcorn WAS delicious, by the way.

but, moving on......(i'm in a good mood today, can't you tell?)

OW! i feel good...danananananana...i knew that i would...

have a great day, everyone.

[AllForMJ]

for Ape, for being so brave and rescuing me:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

and


:hug: :kiss: :wub:


that was soooo very kind of you to do that! and no one else would! :(

the popcorn WAS delicious, by the way.

but, moving on......(i'm in a good mood today, can't you tell?)

OW! i feel good...danananananana...i knew that i would...

have a great day, everyone.
:lol:

[Ape]

lol... it was really my pleasure (had a few bites of the popcorn while I was in there rescuing you;) )

I think everyone else was worried you'd pull them into it with you ..lol.

(on another topic, and it's no one's problem but mine but.. I have been feeling guilty lately for paying so much attention to a private topic of MJ's. Maybe that's why I started the fairytale. I still like reading the stuff in here ..when it isn't the drama that pops up from time to time. I guess I wonder if he'd be fine with it or bothered that we talk about it like some have said.)

[AllForMJ]

lol... it was really my pleasure (had a few bites of the popcorn while I was in there rescuing you;) )

I think everyone else was worried you'd pull them into it with you ..lol.

(on another topic, and it's no one's problem but mine but.. I have been feeling guilty lately for paying so much attention to a private topic of MJ's. Maybe that's why I started the fairytale. I still like reading the stuff in here ..when it isn't the drama that pops up from time to time. I guess I wonder if he'd be fine with it or bothered that we talk about it like some have said.)
I've wondered about that as well, but you know what? At least we're on the music and our discussion about the things that he is singing about shows he is as straight as an arrow. The songs he recorded are saying it all. He's singing about relationships with women and we're discussing him singing about them. His very own love songs are dispelling the lie.

:yes:

[Ape]

He has beautiful love songs. :)




oh btw... :hug: @ mimiK sorry for being so stingy with my hugs. :)

LOL at you throwing yourself into the popcorn to be saved by the women here.hahaha

[Safira]

for Ape, for being so brave and rescuing me:

:flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

and


:hug: :kiss: :wub:


that was soooo very kind of you to do that! and no one else would! :(

the popcorn WAS delicious, by the way.

but, moving on......(i'm in a good mood today, can't you tell?)

OW! i feel good...danananananana...i knew that i would...

have a great day, everyone.

Well I must tell you now that I can't swim and I was wearing my lovely outfit when you where swimming in the popcorn MimiK!!

....... SO GOOD! dada. SO GOOD! I found yoooouuuu! dadadadaDAdada!
*dancing around*

(sorry if I did'nt get the lyrics right - I was just jamming you know ;))

[Moddie777]

Dang, its gonna take me a while to read all these new posts and play catch up...

[Moddie777]

What if he's not in love right now and still searching for her? Do you think the happiness we've seen in him these past several months can just be that he's in a good place in his life and has nothing to do with having found his true love?

:popcorn:

Lily, I agree with how AllforMJ answered this question for you. Also, may I add being in a good place in one's life is a prelude (at times) to being in love. Being in love (when its a good and healthy relationship) make our souls happy and our spirits soar. Whic also is an indicator of being in a good place.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:

[Ashtanga]

Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:


Wow, I loved your words. You really were very inspired today! :clapping:

[LindaC781]

Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:
Wow...hadn't of thought about that. But then again, he could have written a song from her perspective....?

[AllForMJ]

Well, I went and listened to Unbreakable again from the "new" perspective, like I said I would, and I guess I can see what everyone is talking about.

I also listened to Heartbreaker and Invincible which followed it. I also began to feel a little sad. But, it wasn't sadness over who you'd expect. I was beginning to feel a little sad for "her" - if there is a "her." I mean, we all feel sad for Michael, that's pretty obvious, but who has been feeling sad for "her"? Does she even have anyone who would feel sad for her?

I began to feel that everything leans heavily in favor of Michael - well, it is a Michael board after all, I know. The theme seems to be: Michael is "unbreakable"; Michael has a broken heart; Michael wants something and is having trouble getting it; etc. Michael also has a lot of resources, whether he has a broken heart or not; but what about when "she" has a broken heart? Does she have the same? Some have suggested that maybe she comes from the "hood." Well, if she does, then she certainly doesn't have a "fan club" or "people" or "friends in high places." She probably just has a broken heart.

Also, is it really that easy to just happen to wake up one day and realize that you love someone in the position that Michael is in? Would it not be really painful to love someone as inaccessible as he is. Would it really have been that easy for her to even understand what she was even feeling? How could she even distinguish between being just another a fan with typical "fan" feelings of believing she is meant to be with him vs. really being meant to be with him? Don't a lot of girls/women believe they're meant to be with him? I would think this would all be a little confusing and not to mention, a little painful. Who could you even talk to about all these confusing feelings who would actually take it all seriously and not make things more painful. I mean, could you imagine how much she must've had/has on her mind? It's probably like: let's see, I've got to worry about this, that, and oh, yes, I also love Michael Jackson. Just another typical day in the hood, lol! And how about one day finally deciding to accept it all as fact only to find that someone else has already taken your place before you even get there! Ouch! Talk about a real "heartbreaker!" As shocking as this may seem, could he have ever maybe been seen as a "heartbreaker" in her eyes?

Well, I know this post is different from my usual light-hearted ones and I also know this has already kind of been addressed in previous posts, but thanks anyways for letting me share my :2cents:
This is a good post! We just have to remember that God's hand is in this. Just as He was able to use her to do certain things along side Him and for MJ, if He decides MJ is to move in another direction that does not include her, it is not like God will be unable to have her go in another direction. If it goes that way, then is simply means her work is done.

If she is someone that's in the hood lol her location has nothing to do with how powerful God is and who He will place around her while she is doing what He wants her to do. Spiritual people live everywhere and she can surround herself with spiritual friends anywhere, including the hood. God's power does not have limitations and locations are not an issue. He can do what He wants.

Also, if He wants MJ to be with his lady friend right away, He can make that so. If He wants MJ to be with her later, He can make that so. If He doesn't want MJ to be with her at all, He can make that so.

But, from listening to what MJ has been putting out, he has made attempts. Remember what he's saying in "Got The Hots?" There's a line that says, "I've tried all but I can't get to you girl."

As far as friends in high places, God is the highest there is. No one is above Him. If she has God, she has everything.

Also, God is the one that helped MJ undo the entanglement and He helped MJ free of charge. MJ's friends in high places did not have the power to make the whole world calm down following all the chaos that Evan Chandler created. If they did, they would have done so years ago. It was only when MJ said he was ready to fight for his innocence and had placed his situation into God's hands that the chaos came to an end.

We should never underestimate God's abilities.

[AllForMJ]

AllForMJ, here I live so close to where that exhibition was and I didn't even go. Did I miss something wonderful? Did I make the wrong decision to not go? I'm glad you and your boys had fun, though. That's a nice drive from Northern California. Did you take the efficient 101 or the scenic route some of the way on highway 1? :) I love driving by the coast.
queen g, I almost forgot to answer you. MJ's exhibit was very, very nice. Hopefully, he'll carry out the museum idea then you'll get a chance to see everything. And in answer to your question about taking the scenic route... We took that route back to Nor Cal. Yep!! We surrrrrre did!!
:D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

This is a good post! We just have to remember that God's hand is in this. Just as He was able to use her to do certain things along side Him and for MJ, if He decides MJ is to move in another direction that does not include her, it is not like God will be unable to have her go in another direction. If it goes that way, then is simply means her work is done.

If she is someone that's in the hood lol her location has nothing to do with how powerful God is and who He will place around her while she is doing what He wants her to do. Spiritual people live everywhere and she can surround herself with spiritual friends anywhere, including the hood. God's power does not have limitations and locations are not an issue. He can do what He wants.

Also, if He wants MJ to be with his lady friend right away, He can make that so. If He wants MJ to be with her later, He can make that so. If He doesn't want MJ to be with her at all, He can make that so.

But, from listening to what MJ has been putting out, he has made attempts. Remember what he's saying in "Got The Hots?" There's a line that says, "I've tried all but I can't get to you girl."

As far as friends in high places, God is the highest there is. No one is above Him. If she has God, she has everything.

Also, God is the one that helped MJ undo the entanglement and He helped MJ free of charge. MJ's friends in high places did not have the power to make the whole world calm down following all the chaos that Evan Chandler created. If they did, they would have done so years ago. It was only when MJ said he was ready to fight for his innocence and had placed his situation into God's hands that the chaos came to an end.

We should never underestimate God's abilities.


This also is a very good post and very, very, true. I had some time to think over some of the things that I said and I admit I was a little unfair. You are right, no matter what privileges Michael may have had, in the end they may not have been worth very much and in the end it took nothing short of a miracle to pull him through. And, if he was unaware of her situation, he may have thought that he was the only one with a broken heart, alone, frustrated, etc.

I would just like to add though, that although God really is always with us, I know from personal experience that things can still get very difficult, very dark, very lonely and even downright scary sometimes. I'm sure she has God on her side always and I'm sure He will see her, him and the both of them through to the end - or maybe not at all, as you say, if that really is His will - but I would still think that any way it goes, it would still have been a very painful process for the both of them.

Also, if there is a God, then there must also be a "dark" side which, although not as powerful as God, can still wreak quite a bit of havoc in a person's life. I think queen g did a great job touching on several of these points already. Michael is a pretty powerful person with a lot of potential to touch this world, so I would think the "other side" would not be too pleased to see the two of them together serving God in any way, shape or form and influencing the world for the opposite team. I know God has been, is, and will see them both through, and everyone knows the trials Michael has endured for the sake of the relationship, but I wonder what "trials" she has had to endure and maybe even still enduring secretly all because of her love for this one very special person. I'm sure, being the other half of this relationship, she was surely not let off the hook. There may have been some special "punishments" for her as well.

[Ashtanga]

This also is a very good post and very, very, true. I had some time to think over some of the things that I said and I admit I was a little unfair. You are right, no matter what privileges Michael may have had, in the end they may not have been worth very much and in the end it took nothing short of a miracle to pull him through. And, if he was unaware of her situation, he may have thought that he was the only one with a broken heart, alone, frustrated, etc.

I would just like to add though, that although God really is always with us, I know from personal experience that things can still get very difficult, very dark, very lonely and even downright scary sometimes. I'm sure she has God on her side always and I'm sure He will see her, him and the both of them through to the end - or maybe not at all, as you say, if that really is His will - but I would still think that any way it goes, it would still have been a very painful process for the both of them.

Also, if there is a God, then there must also be a "dark" side which, although not as powerful as God, can still wreak quite a bit of havoc in a person's life. I think queen g did a great job touching on several of these points already. Michael is a pretty powerful person with a lot of potential to touch this world, so I would think the "other side" would not be too pleased to see the two of them together serving God in any way, shape or form and influencing the world for the opposite team. I know God has been, is, and will see them both through, and everyone knows the trials Michael has endured for the sake of the relationship, but I wonder what "trials" she has had to endure and maybe even still enduring secretly all because of her love for this one very special person. I'm sure, being the other half of this relationship, she was surely not let off the hook. There may have been some special "punishment" for her as well.


Wow MP... congratulations again! :clapping: You again were quite inspired. :wild: Nice post. :yes:


AllForMJ you are amazing in their words! Congratulations to you too! :clapping:

[Ape]

Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.

Until they do surrender to God and let Him take over (if they haven't already) then probably they will have difficulties that become too much. I doubt that the devil or evil or the dark side or whatever you wish to call it would have stopped trying to stop them but if they have God in control then the evil really can't touch them and has no power or control over them. They'll still try. Still try to find a weakness to get a foot in the door but as long as they trust God to handle it, their battles are already won before even getting a chance to knock.


This is why addiction is a bad thing, because it is like the devils own personal key. Till you start saying no to that key, the little drops of temptations, or just let God answer the door...lol. (am I getting too carried away with analogies now?)

[Momma Shannon]

Thankyou for getting back on track :yes:

Is there a song ya'll haven't disected yet? lol

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.


Yep, I couldn't have said it better myself!:yes:

[AllForMJ]

Thankyou for getting back on track :yes:

Is there a song ya'll haven't disected yet? lol

:giggle:

[AllForMJ]

Mysterious Phoenix yes, that's spiritual warfare right? If God has a plan, and a special plan for these two in particular, then you can bet that the devil (other side) will be doing all he can to interfere whether that be to keep the two apart, or to distract them with chaos in their lives through things like we have seen publicly for Michael, or both. She probably has had to endure her own tribulations as well and they will just have to be strong enough to keep their faith in God to see them through.

Until they do surrender to God and let Him take over (if they haven't already) then probably they will have difficulties that become too much. I doubt that the devil or evil or the dark side or whatever you wish to call it would have stopped trying to stop them but if they have God in control then the evil really can't touch them and has no power or control over them. They'll still try. Still try to find a weakness to get a foot in the door but as long as they trust God to handle it, their battles are already won before even getting a chance to knock.


This is why addiction is a bad thing, because it is like the devils own personal key. Till you start saying no to that key, the little drops of temptations, or just let God answer the door...lol. (am I getting too carried away with analogies now?)
Bingo!

And MJ already knew early on what would be needed...

In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" there is the line where he says, "When we pray, will you promise me you'll always stay." This shows he already knew he would need someone that would seek God's guidance at the same time he is seeking God's guidance. They go to God together. That's double coverage.

[SoS]

MP what you said about her waking up and realizing that she loves him (which I imagine she already knew lol) made me wonder what it must feel like to wake up and realize that HE loves/loved HER Can you 'imagine?


All of you have stimulated lots of food for thought :brow:

If the current "she" (yes, if there is a "she") is, as the song Fall Again and other songs suggests, is someone from the past, who "ran away" as Fall Again and other songs also suggest, she too had to be uncertain at the time (since he has so many questions it shows that not a lot of two-way communication was going on) and perhaps back then, at the height of his career she felt that even if he was in her life for a millisecond, that she wouldn't matter to him and felt that he'd quickly forget about her if she quickly left, and perhaps never would have expected to hear about herself in his songs which could partly explain why it took so many songs for him to "get through" (although I'm not sure I buy the idea of him thinking he was clearly communicating to her either).

When looking at what kind of person would "up and run away" from him of all people, I can only imagine a person afraid of something, and since MJ is as far from being a monster as a person can get, I can't see her looking him in the face and doing that so I am going to assume that it wasn't quite the way it seemed or felt to him at the time.

All that to say that if she has now seen herself in music since the releasing of One More Chance, it had to have been a surprise to her, demanding her full attention on, as MP said, trying to distinguish, not only her feelings, but his "messages" in the music and whether they're even meant for her and which are and which are not.

Michael's talent for sounding like he's talking to one person has been apparant from day one, so I agree that it would take a whole lot more than the usual attention for her to get to a point of KNOWing that he's talking to her.

Another thing she'd have to distinguish at this time is whether perhaps he has been singing to her primarily to "complete the past" just so that he can move forward with his life and/or whether perhaps even he didn't realize that was what he was even doing at the time that he was making the songs. To me, a song seems to have the same effect as a photograph. Just because a person looked or sounded like that at the given moment, doesn't mean they will always and everyone knows that what happens a lot of times when a person has left another without warning is a human need for closure.

If MJ has just been in need of closure and has received it then what MP and others have suggested about him moving on would seem a possibility, given the fact that "she" is undoubtedly middle aged by now and someone he doesn't know in the same way that he knows people he interacts with and who are his physical 3-D companions throughout his days.

MJ is surrounded by beautiful, eligible, qualified, young women who can easily give him those other ten children to make the 13 he said he wanted years ago and may still desire, in order to carry on his legacy for the 'immortality' we all know he desires to create in the world.

If that is the case she, along with everyone else who loves him (especially if she is truly his 'Ben-friend') would undoubtedly rejoice at his happiness, even if it takes her a while to get her "life back". I'd think someone in her position in a case like that, would be in need of closure too. Especially if one of the things he 'got' in getting his closure was that she didn't realize anything until now. Yes, MP, its gotta be painful, I concur.

If, on the other hand, since having a family and coming of age since he set that (13 children) goal, (which it seems he could have had by now if he wanted them because nothing stopped him from having the ones he has) and he does still feel as he felt when he released songs like Fall Again and the woman in question is anything like him in ways and values that attract people to eachother (eg., spiritually inclined, creative, exuberant, lively and fun, old fashioned) then by her being spiritually inclined she is probably seeking God in all her trials and dealing with what often goes with that which is possibly a fair amount of sufferring too, because God said that "in the world, you will have tribulation".

Another thing is that one thing about men generally is that relationship problems a lot of times, cause them to focus more on career goals, whereas women tend to get "paralyzed" into resolving problems of love. It could be difficult if not next to impossible for her to focus effectively on her "here and now" and her own goals whilst revisiting the [pain of] the past, (hers and his) and trying to distinguish his communications of the "present". If she is "old fashioned" like he is, and only wanted to be with him, then she may be treating his absence like old fashioned women do who have lost a mate. They often live without anyone. It is a different matter for a woman to live without a man than it is for a man to live without a woman. He can have numerous surrogates at every turn whereas it can be unadvisable for a female to have surrogate men in her life because often, it eventually involves a price that a chaste woman would not entertain "paying" and may avoid altogether which leads to a limited, limiting life.

Speaking of career, if she is primarily a creative type like he, plus has "personality", then her strong suit could easily be communication and if that is her field, she also might feel utterly vulnerable to once again, the "help" of men, because it often comes with a "price" and I don't think MJ's done any songs to help with that lol. Men as mentors for women can be a tricky thing so she might would be having some issues in terms of career as well, no matter what field she's in.

It seems though that (unlike the beautiful lyic in the song IJCSLY says), they obviously can live without eachother because they have, with greater or lesser success.

If she has spent energies she needs for surviving, on trying to distinguish all the confusions that MP brought up, there's no telling the price she's had to pay for not being fully engaged in her personal "here and now". One has to be fully "present" to simply go to work everyday, pay bills, handle responsibities to family, friends, etc. and I doubt anyone wants to hear, "hang on, I have to listen to this song again and again" :lol: At some point I'm sure that everyone would be looking at her like: :errm: It seems that if she has a lot of people relying on her to keep her full attention on the "here and now" then either she's not paying MJ very much attention at all or her she's skating on thin ice in her every day life.

Perhaps that's one of the lessons this relationship has had for both them. That God is the only one who will see each of them through even though they inspire one another from a distance, to know that as a human here on earth, they individually, are not alone, that there is a twin soul, who understands.

Michael's reliance on God was strengthend and is seeing him through to victory and so the same will undoubtedly be true of her in the end, as "all things work togethr for the good of those who love God". Even with a mate in a person's life, reliance on God is everyone's lesson at the end of the day.

oh well my 2 cents.

I guess this is good a time as any for a song ...

Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSh5wUtXt4&feature=related


http://www.mp3lyrics.org/b/bette-midler/from-a-distance/

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow, SOS!!! I'm really impressed by everything you said!

I also wanted to clarify one thing before going on:

There seem to be two schools of thought on this relationship in terms of the past:

*One idea is that they met each other in the past, then at some point broke up and went their separate ways until they realized they needed each other again at some point.

*The other concept is a little harder to accept, I know, but it is that they never really even met. She "knew" Michael of course because he was always famous, but he never met her, he just "sensed" her being out there - somewhere.

I am going with the more "unique" concept of them never having really ever met since that is what Michael's songs seem to indicate. He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state many times, even as far back as Human Nature, maybe even farther back. He also talks about hearing either "voices" or "whispers" a lot. Also, when he speaks of "searching", he speaks as if he doesn't know exactly who he is looking for rather than giving the impression he is singing about an "old flame", so to speak.

Here are the lyrics:


Human Nature

*Hear her voice shake my window...
*I'm dreaming of the street...

Someone in the Dark

*When someone in the dark reaches out to you ...
*Though you're gone star far away ...

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

*Each time the wind blows I hear your voice ...
*Whispers at morning ...

Someone Put Your Hand Out

*The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine ...
*I've searched this whole world wishing ...
*So someone put your hand out ...

You Are Not Alone

*Something whispers in my ear and says ...
*Though you're far away ...
*Though we're far apart you're always in my heart ...
*I thought I heard you cry ...
*Whisper three words ...

Butterflies

*All I gotta say is I must be dreaming, can't be real ...
*You're not here with me, see but I can feel you near to me ...

Speechless

*Though I'm with you, I am far away and nothing is for real.
*Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side.

The Way You Love Me

*I was alone in the dark when I met ya ...

One More Chance

*Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole ...
*Help me make these mysteries unfold ...

PYT 2008

*I was upstairs, she came and woke me ...
*I was asleep and tired ...


(See, MimiK, I do my homework, too!;))


whew! I think that's enough for now. I'll write some more comments on what you wrote later, SOS!

[Ashtanga]

Wow, SOS!!! I'm really impressed by everything you said!

I also wanted to clarify one thing before going on:

There seem to be two schools of thought on this relationship in terms of the past:

*One idea is that they met each other in the past, then at some point broke up and went their separate ways until they realized they needed each other again at some point.

*The other concept is a little harder to accept, I know, but it is that they never really even met. She "knew" Michael of course because he was always famous, but he never met her, he just "sensed" her being out there - somewhere.

I am going with the more "unique" concept of them never having really ever met since that is what Michael's songs seem to indicate. He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state many times, even as far back as Human Nature, maybe even farther back. He also talks about hearing either "voices" or "whispers" a lot. Also, when he speaks of "searching", he speaks as if he doesn't know exactly who he is looking for rather than giving the impression he is singing about an "old flame", so to speak.

Here are the lyrics:


Human Nature

*Hear her voice shake my window...
*I'm dreaming of the street...

Someone in the Dark

*When someone in the dark reaches out to you ...
*Though you're gone star far away ...

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

*Each time the wind blows I hear your voice ...
*Whispers at morning ...

Someone Put Your Hand Out

*The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine ...
*I've searched this whole world wishing ...
*So someone put your hand out ...

You Are Not Alone

*Something whispers in my ear and says ...
*Though you're far away ...
*Though we're far apart you're always in my heart ...
*I thought I heard you cry ...
*Whisper three words ...

Butterflies

*All I gotta say is I must be dreaming, can't be real ...
*You're not here with me, see but I can feel you near to me ...

Speechless

*Though I'm with you, I am far away and nothing is for real.
*Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side.

The Way You Love Me

*I was alone in the dark when I met ya ...

One More Chance

*Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole ...
*Help me make these mysteries unfold ...

PYT 2008

*I was upstairs, she came and woke me ...
*I was asleep and tired ...


(See, MimiK, I do my homework, too!;))


whew! I think that's enough for now. I'll write some more comments on what you wrote later, SOS!
:doh::wild::wild::wild:


Very, very, very inspirational... I'm impressed (lol!)... continue like that! :yes::clapping:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

MysteriousPhoenix, you did GREAT homework. Very complete. All the best examples out there of this kind of relationship you are speaking of.

I would like to ask you what your idea of what "in the dark" might mean here? And how it relates to your other examples here.


I think he may literally mean "in the dark" (of night), especially if he was in one of his "dream-like" states.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

Thanks MP - glad my post made some kind of sense. Can't wait to hear your comments. I agree that there are two schools of thought. I tend to go along with your version with one caveat. I lean more toward whoever said, "he knows exactly who she is" which means I feel it is a combination of both schools of thought combined.

I would include the songs you have but would add a few others which indicates he does know her although they never got together which I was wondering if from his point of view, may be what a need for 'closure' is all about, unless he really knew from looking at her. I've heard of that happening too.


He sings about a kind of "dream-like" state Yes, this is the case in many if not mostly all of the love songs, combined with the fact that he seems to indicate knowing who she is, as well.


I Just Can't Stop Lovin' You
"I call your name" ..."Heaven's glad YOU came"


Fall Again
"something about you, stare in your eyes, everything I'm looking for I seem to find"

Butterflies (rap by Eve)
"she's just your type right, trying to figure out how she can play a major part up in your life right? You figure she'll be perfect lovin' you, fantasize the tingle from her fingers rubbin' you, tryinna analyze the situation, you feeling crazy, want HER there forever, what's so special 'bout this lady...but you' know you're perfect for her" etc.

(sung part) I just want to touch YOU

Break of Dawn
"I can see it in your eyes"

Streetwalker
"see I never met a girl, JUST LIKE YOU, come so easy"

Who Is It
"did YOU really feel I'm lonely"
(spoken part)
"we never were"

Can't Let Her Get Away
"I thought she had to have it, since the first time she CAME, who knows the situation, mysteries do remain, I told you that I need you, a thousand times and why ....but still you said goodbye"

You Are Not Alone
"someone tell me why, did she have to go...though we're far apart, YOU'RE always in my heart ... you and me! together!"

Someone Put Your Hand Outt
"I've searched this whole world WISHING SHE'll be there"

Those songs suggest he knows who she is, desired to meet her, made an attempt to meet her or get together with her and something went wrong.

Here are a few songs that could suggest they were in the same proximity (and could be about someone different than the old songs although they are of a 'dreamy' nature as well so its hard to conclude one way or the other) :
The Way You Love Me
"I like the way how YOU're holding me"

For All Time
"with a tender touch you KNOW so well"

Beautiful Girl
"its almost like dancing, WHEN romancing in her arms, its just a part of it"

Hold My Hand
"YOU've been there before and I've been there ..."

and the songs on Thriller25 seem to suggest someone he knows as well but may not have gotten with ... fantasy of peeling off jeans, negligee etc.
Maybe its a combination of both also because if the theory of this thread is nearly on point, then there is "someone" who's been hopefully getting his messages, if any of them have indeed been "messages". That's what my post was really all about. What must it be like, if she is actually 'getting' them.

I do tend to feel that if she is, she aught to let him know it, since communication is a two-way street. Otherwise, she is, as I have said way back in this thread, just a 'muse' it seems to me.

*concept three is he had some kind of encounter with her in the past, where he saw her and knows she exists, but did not actually meet her. So he knows he is not just thinking of a "dreamgirl" but someone he can put a face toTHAT's what I was trying to say! :lol: dang I need to work on brevity!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Oh, that is a new idea I think for in here. That's a nice one...that he is connecting spiritually with the gal mostly at night when the lights are off and he is dialed down and open to it. Like that?



There might be a third one.

*concept three is he had some kind of encounter with her in the past, where he saw her and knows she exists, but did not actually meet her. So he knows he is not just thinking of a "dreamgirl" but someone he can put a face to.


Yes, when he says "dark", I tend to take it literally. I don't know, I guess it's because of all the "dreaming" going on and everything you said about how pleasant and peaceful it can be at night, in the dark. Also, I think "at night" is probably the only time he would be open to this sort of thing, like you said. During the day, he is probably going, going, going and it's probably very difficult to reach him with all of the distractions of the day. Of course we all know that he really has been "in the dark" in other ways too, so I'm not completely ruling out those other ways . He could very well mean "in the dark" in more ways than one simultaneously.

I like your third concept. It is possible that he could have seen her both in his "dreams" and out of his dreams without either of them actually making contact.

[Renata]

Hey! I'm back after a few says off... :)

I've been reading what you guys wrote, but it's too much to cacht up now... I'll try to do it later...

But I could read some of the last pages, about the girl and how she must feel, and the lines of thought MP and queen g identified.

I'm tending more to the two last lines, meaning or Michael doesn't really know the girl or he saw her once or twice but never really met her..

Maybe it's my romantic way of viewing life, but I think they never actually met.. It's a love meant to be by God, a spiritual thing... They're soulmates.

And after reading all your concerns about her I came to realize that maybe Michael won't recognize her when they meet, because he meets a lot of girls who swear they love him and they're his soulmates.

So, I ask... Can we be sure that her adventure will end the day they meet? Or she'll have to prove to him that she's the one? Will Michael know that she is the girl of his dreams just by looking in her eyes?

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Thanks MP - glad my post made some kind of sense. Can't wait to hear your comments. I agree that there are two schools of thought. I tend to go along with your version with one caveat. I lean more toward whoever said, "he knows exactly who she is" which means I feel it is a combination of both schools of thought combined.

Yes, this is the case in many if not mostly all of the love songs, combined with the fact that he seems to indicate knowing who she is, as well.


Oh, yes, I believe that she is very real and that he knows her, like you said. Well, for one thing, you have to wonder how "real" his dreams get. For instance, in the song, "Butterflies" he sings like they've been having a full blown relationship that included "dating" and everything - without her even being there! lol! Well, without any more information to go on, it's hard to really know. I can tell you, it does sound like one very unique relationship. And, you just know all this has to be true - nobody could make this up! lol!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Renata]

^ queen g, if they meet each other in his dreams, which I believe to be possible, then he may know some things about her...

But my dreams, at least, are all blurry images and confuse sounds, so I don't think I would recognize a face I've seen in my dreams if I meet the person in real world, you know?

Maybe Michael has seen her, but will he recognize her???

God may have been giving him signs.. Otherwise, this relationship would be impossible.. But are those signs enough?

I think God will have to work hard to put this couple together! ;D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So, let me back up...you then are saying the "first" time MJ became aware of his lady friend was in a dreamlike state or spiritual connection?

Well, maybe.:unsure:

[Renata]

^ I believe so...

[Ashtanga]

Wow... this here is very interesting. Well, as I am not good to interpret lyrics of songs. I'd rather be watching the debate. But I love the posts of all! I'll get the popcorn and follow the posts! lol! :)

[SoS]

Hey! I'm back after a few says off... :)

I've been reading what you guys wrote, but it's too much to cacht up now... I'll try to do it later...

But I could read some of the last pages, about the girl and how she must feel, and the lines of thought MP and queen g identified.

I'm tending more to the two last lines, meaning or Michael doesn't really know the girl or he saw her once or twice but never really met her..

Maybe it's my romantic way of viewing life, but I think they never actually met.. It's a love meant to be by God, a spiritual thing... They're soulmates.

And after reading all your concerns about her I came to realize that maybe Michael won't recognize her when they meet, because he meets a lot of girls who swear they love him and they're his soulmates.

So, I ask... Can we be sure that her adventure will end the day they meet? Or she'll have to prove to him that she's the one? Will Michael know that she is the girl of his dreams just by looking in her eyes?Those are good questions. Here's what I feel. I feel that the first time he saw her, he 'saw' her. In other words, there are some people who, when you see them, you see THEM, not their "role" or their "mask" or their "expressions" but THEM, the BEING that they ARE. Everybody doesn't want that. Someone who can 'see' them I mean. Didn't MJ say he is a person who wants to hide the windows to his soul? Is she that way too? Could that be why they've never gotten together. Could it be like the movie where the two beings are more powerful as long as they're apart? (wouldn't that be ironic)

I do feel though that is the only way, (if we're anywhere near on track) that they imho would not have trouble recognizing eachother again. The same way that they 'recognized' eachother the first time.

Speaking of "in the dark", I'm beginning to feel it is significant to how they met or first encountered eachother. It took me this long to put together what AllforMJ had said early on, in the original thread (this is thread #2 for this topic, the first was deleted). I asked her why or how she randomly came up with this topic and she said that she tied the songs Someone In the Dark with the song, The Way You Love Me. The first makes reference to "her" being "in the dark" and the second references him being "in the dark" which now makes sense to me as to how it could be relevant that they were both in their own way, "in the dark" the moment they first 'met' (whatever 'met' means to this) How do people recognize anything "in the dark"? They have to go by "feel". Where does that sort of 'feel' come from? It comes from intuition which comes from Spirit. I believe that they were both in the realm of Spirit at the time that they met, which is the same way they would recognize eachother again.

I don't get the feeling it was her "eyes" per se, but moreso, what he "saw" IN her eyes, which are the windows to the soul. That could explain how he knew right away they were "soul-mates". For that reason, I don't imagine he'll have any problem 'recognizing' her again as he did the first time. And if closure is what he needs, I would imagine that could be the best way to go about it - for both of them.

If they are not "meant to be" as a couple, they will always care about eachother hopefully, because of the amount of caring investment that has gone into it this far, unless there are "criteria" before MJ will 'care' about someone, and I for one can't really see that. If in fact she's getting his messages, it obviously would mean that she cares too. I would like to think that caring about a person would never change. I'm guessing from "her" apparent behavior that "she" wasn't trying to 'get with' him "like that" from the beginning because if she were trying to hit on him from the start there would not have been all this mystery. What if at the time, she really just needed a friend? What if she expected him to show up for her as a friend and instead showed up as Mr. hip, slick and cool. :giggle: Remember the line in Get It from the Thriller/Bad era days? "some think that diamond rings and fancy cars will fill her life with laughter...but what she needs is my love for ever after" But isn't MJ into "diamond rings and fancy cars?" :giggle: Was he trying to say in that song that that's not ALL he's about? We can see that he's not but was there that much known about him then? OK I feel a "Jermaine Blame" coming on :lol: sry j/k Jermaine

On another note, wouldn't it be funny if at their first meeting after all these years they both show up wearing shades :lol: with yet another layer for them to uncover to get to 'see' eachother again.

[Renata]

I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :P

[Lisha]

:popcorn:?

[8701girl]

Great posts guys

Keep them comin :popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

Maybe he could have seen it perfectly in his dreams. The inspiration may have come to him through a dream. That is very possible. If dreams are blurry, several images, I think it depends on the state of mind of the person, if it is a good or bad time in your life, that there are actually people who can see perfectly what happens in the dream or can not see or understand anything or simply do not remember any of that dream, I do not know if the state of mind influences the dream.

[Renata]

^ Yeah, some dreams are more realistic... But tell me.. would you be able to remember clearly the details of a face that you dreamed of but that you never saw?

Most of the times we dream with people we know, so it's ease to remember each little detail of their faces, but it's because our memory of these faces is working together with the recollections of the dream...

I don't know.. But I do hope Michael can recognize this girl as soon as they meet, because the two of them may be going through hard times apart and I'm sure they deserve to be happy and enjoy eachother company. :)

[SoS]

I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :PYes and for "her" because if I were "her" it would be driving me stark raving mad :lol:

Can you imagine? You 'see' someone you love. You may even 'feel' they need you but you have no idea. His songs make refence to letters, so ok let's say you write them a letter. If he didn't write back you feel they don't love you back. Then they (as AllforMJ pointed out) make attempts at meeting with you but YOU DON'T KNOW.

You later find your story with them played out in song, but you also realize that he's actually known a whole lot more women, a lot better than he knows you so you figure maybe its only a song.

I've come to believe that those times when we can't understand a single word MJ is saying, :giggle: he has some names or A name thrown in there under the beats and buried in adlibs ...

...subliminal seduction :wild:

or subliminal blessin' out if you listen closely to certain songs


:giggle: Lawd ....

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Now MimiK, for example, has spoken a few times of "a love so old" and has started their list of songs entitled "Love Story" with songs dated as early as 1977. So this is suggesting that at least MimiK thinks the lady friend came into the picture way back then. Which would make it very amazing if MJ had some real life encounter with this girl at that point...and then there after, only had dreamlike experiences with her...or met her like you were saying, back then first in a dream, then ...later saw her? And had a deep "knowing" that is was "her!"

I know what you mean. I also keep reading that the love is "old." That really threw me off a bit. The very first line of the "Love Story" is, "Looking in my mirror took me by surprise." That's a very unusual way to "meet" someone, if that's what's being implied. It's like he's saying he saw her image instead of his or something. And there's that whole dream-state type thing going on again. Well, this is after all, MJ we're talking about here! Gotta love him!:lol:

[SoS]

^ Yeah, some dreams are more realistic... But tell me.. would you be able to remember clearly the details of a face that you dreamed of but that you never saw?

Most of the times we dream with people we know, so it's ease to remember each little detail of their faces, but it's because our memory of these faces is working together with the recollections of the dream...

I don't know.. But I do hope Michael can recognize this girl as soon as they meet, because the two of them may be going through hard times apart and I'm sure they deserve to be happy and enjoy eachother company. :):wub::cheers:

[8701girl]

:lol:

Great way to fall in love with someone...just meet them in the mirror :lol:

[Renata]

I know what you mean. I also keep reading that the love is "old." That really threw me off a bit. The very first line of the "Love Story" is, "Looking in my mirror took me by surprise." That's a very unusual way to "meet" someone, if that's what's being implied. It's like he's saying he saw her image instead of his or something. And there's that whole dream-state type thing going on again. Well, this is after all, MJ we're talking about here! Gotta love him!:lol:


What if, looking to himself in the mirror, Michael could see her in his eyes?

Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror.

[8701girl]

Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror.


Good theory there renata

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Renata]

Thank you, 8701girl! :)

[SoS]

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Originally Posted by Renat

Ok, it sounds a little strange. But think.. if the eyes are windows to our souls and if their souls belong together, then maybe he saw her in his eyes, through a mirror. exactly

When you look in the mirror you see your own soul. When you look in the eyes of someone who shares that same soul source, you see yourself. Could be a little unsettling too ... even though we're all connected, its not everyone you look at and see your personal self.

OMG I just had another epiphany. What if this "running away" that "she" has been doing wasn't running from him at all but running from herself!

If we're onto something and God is showing him her character as queen_g suggested then hopefully he would be merciful to understand they share many of the same strengths and weaknesses lol just played out in different ways. That's what happens with soul mates. They are different people and yet and still 'the same'.

NOT that I'm saying he's running from himself in a different way, just that even if he didn't run from her ... something stopped him knocking on her door since 19 ...whenever. I know of fans he has grabbed, kissed, visited, written letters to and mailed them etc.

"she" he meets in song alone ...

[Renata]

^ Good theory...

Maybe they're searching for themselves and, when they finally meet eachother, they will find their inner selves..

And also they may feel kinda the same way... Kinda lonely, like one part of them was missing, because their hearts belong together but they are apart and this must hurt a lot!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

*singing*


... When you can see your unborn children in her eyes, you know you really loooooooooove a woman!

[SoS]

^ Good theory...

Maybe they're searching for themselves and, when they finally meet eachother, they will find their inner selves..

And also they may feel kinda the same way... Kinda lonely, like one part of them was missing, because their hearts belong together but they are apart and this must hurt a lot!

^ could explain how a person could feel, or be, 'incomplete', even when everything else is in place, something would feel like its 'missing'. That's what makes life so lonely. Especially for people who have trouble feeling they 'belong' or finding their 'place' in the world. Its not a crime to be lost that way. Its kinda sad though.

[SoS]

*singing*


... When you can see your unborn children in her eyes, you know you really loooooooooove a woman!
ON THE OTHER HAND :giggle: (that's deep MP)

if MJ sees that with someone ... then she's the one... :yes: jmho

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Renata]

^ Maybe when someone doesn't find his place in this world it is because his place is in someone's heart...

Oh boy, I get poetic when I'm sleepy! Lol

[Renata]

*singing*


... When you can see your unborn children in her eyes, you know you really loooooooooove a woman!


MP always provide us the most beautiful soundtracks... :wub:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

*singing*


... When you can see your unborn children in her eyes, you know you really loooooooooove a woman!


And everyone sings along with the MP! lol! :wild::clapping:

[SoS]

^ Maybe when someone doesn't find his place in this world it is because his place is in someone's heart...

Oh boy, I get poetic when I'm sleepy! Lol:wub: ah, so sweeeeeeeeet

[Renata]

^Thanks, SOS!

[Ape]

I understand what you're saying, SOS, and I agree with you...

But I was thinking in case Michael didn't meet her in real world, only in dreams.. And, like I said, dreams are blurry, mixed images... Maybe he didn't really see her, it was more like sensing her.. Do know what I mean?

I don't know... I think it's better Michael release a new single with a very clear message to her, telling that he knows who she is and even calling her name! Lol! It would make things a lot easier for us... :P
I know what you mean. Now to add another idea into this; what if her images were also blurry? What if, like you say, they meet in a dream world or something like that somehow, and both of them have blurred faces of each other so don't know the face. The faces get forgotten though the feeling of the other is not forgotten and is still strong. So she wouldn't know it was Michael Jackson either, in her dreams, like he wouldn't know who he was looking for.

Just imagine that for a minute as if it were you. You dream of this man, and you wake up knowing you just met your soul mate, but you have no name or face to recognize them by, just the spirit, the soul. You know him so well "with a tender touch you know so well". You would know his touch, his thoughts, his spirit, but not his face. You dream of him various times throughout your childhood till young adulthood where you have a harder time believing in such things. In the daylight hours you may discredit the whole experience even though it burns so strongly within you. Every part of you, except your practical realistic side, says it was real. So eventually you brush it off as just a dream, but so real a dream. You try to forget it because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow science or rational thinking, but you can never quite forget it. In fact you never feel the way you had in person with another how you had felt with him in your dreams though you search for that feeling in someone. You felt more real in the dream than you do in real life. So that memory gets stored away and you live your life.

Then one day, maybe you meet someone through some chance meeting, not face to face...say... hmm...say you are a telemarketer or something and you get talking to someone on the phone, and you click with them instantly. Somehow you keep in touch through the telephone or other ways other than face to face, and you grow to know them and the feeling you had in your dream comes back to you while you are with them (on phone or letters or email or something other than in person). You don't immediately recognize the feeling but you take notice.. and eventually you remember your dream. You remember the feeling in your dream and you recognize that feeling from when you talk with this person on the phone. Then you wonder if maybe there is a connection to the two. You wonder if maybe it could be the one you dreamt of so many years ago and tried to forget and brush off as a silly childhood fantasy. So without having seen them, you could feel as if you know them. Probably you would be anxious to see them face to face to see if maybe something clicks even stronger in person so that you could know if this person is who you felt you knew so well from your dreams.

Would that be possible? Could it just be that the dream they had was their ideal and how they wanted to feel when in love, and when they found someone who was all that they felt they had been looking for, those feelings resurfaced and it isn't supernatural at all? Just a way to recognize someone who suits you? Or could it be more?

Just some thoughts.

(I didn't have it as Michael Jackson in this example necessarily, but just how I could see something like this happening. If it were Michael Jackson in this example then something like this could happen without her even knowing still that it is Michael Jackson on the other end of the phone. An outrageous idea yes, but it'd be romantic, and it's just thoughts.)

[Ape]

:lol:

Great way to fall in love with someone...just meet them in the mirror :lol:

LOL! Sounds a little narcissistic.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:.

[Ashtanga]

Then one day, maybe you meet someone through some chance meeting, not face to face...say... hmm...say you are a telemarketer or something and you get talking to someone on the phone, and you click with them instantly. Somehow you keep in touch through the telephone or other ways other than face to face, and you grow to know them and the feeling you had in your dream comes back to you while you are with them (on phone or letters or email or something other than in person). You don't immediately recognize the feeling but you take notice.. and eventually you remember your dream. You remember the feeling in your dream and you recognize that feeling from when you talk with this person on the phone. Then you wonder if maybe there is a connection to the two. You wonder if maybe it could be the one you dreamt of so many years ago and tried to forget and brush off as a silly childhood fantasy. So without having seen them, you could feel as if you know them. Probably you would be anxious to see them face to face to see if maybe something clicks even stronger in person so that you could know if this person is who you felt you knew so well from your dreams.



Premonitory dreams? When reading this excerpt of his post, so I came to head. Sometimes you see a person first, but you feel like you already saw her somewhere, but you can not remember from where, you can not remember when and where you saw that face. Dream? :scratch: Could be.

[Renata]

I know what you mean. Now to add another idea into this; what if her images were also blurry? What if, like you say, they meet in a dream world or something like that somehow, and both of them have blurred faces of each other so don't know the face. The faces get forgotten though the feeling of the other is not forgotten and is still strong. So she wouldn't know it was Michael Jackson either, in her dreams, like he wouldn't know who he was looking for.

Just imagine that for a minute as if it were you. You dream of this man, and you wake up knowing you just met your soul mate, but you have no name or face to recognize them by, just the spirit, the soul. You know him so well "with a tender touch you know so well". You would know his touch, his thoughts, his spirit, but not his face. You dream of him various times throughout your childhood till young adulthood where you have a harder time believing in such things. In the daylight hours you may discredit the whole experience even though it burns so strongly within you. Every part of you, except your practical realistic side, says it was real. So eventually you brush it off as just a dream, but so real a dream. You try to forget it because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow science or rational thinking, but you can never quite forget it. In fact you never feel the way you had in person with another how you had felt with him in your dreams though you search for that feeling in someone. You felt more real in the dream than you do in real life. So that memory gets stored away and you live your life.

Then one day, maybe you meet someone through some chance meeting, not face to face...say... hmm...say you are a telemarketer or something and you get talking to someone on the phone, and you click with them instantly. Somehow you keep in touch through the telephone or other ways other than face to face, and you grow to know them and the feeling you had in your dream comes back to you while you are with them (on phone or letters or email or something other than in person). You don't immediately recognize the feeling but you take notice.. and eventually you remember your dream. You remember the feeling in your dream and you recognize that feeling from when you talk with this person on the phone. Then you wonder if maybe there is a connection to the two. You wonder if maybe it could be the one you dreamt of so many years ago and tried to forget and brush off as a silly childhood fantasy. So without having seen them, you could feel as if you know them. Probably you would be anxious to see them face to face to see if maybe something clicks even stronger in person so that you could know if this person is who you felt you knew so well from your dreams.

Would that be possible? Could it just be that the dream they had was their ideal and how they wanted to feel when in love, and when they found someone who was all that they felt they had been looking for, those feelings resurfaced and it isn't supernatural at all? Just a way to recognize someone who suits you? Or could it be more?

Just some thoughts.

(I didn't have it as Michael Jackson in this example necessarily, but just how I could see something like this happening. If it were Michael Jackson in this example then something like this could happen without her even knowing still that it is Michael Jackson on the other end of the phone. An outrageous idea yes, but it'd be romantic, and it's just thoughts.)

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Just perfect, Ape! I loved this idea came up with...

In fact, you did it so perfectly, that I would say that you are the girl in Michael's dreams and you just came to realize it! :P

But yes, maybe she doesn't know that her man is Michael..

[Renata]

Premonitory dreams? When reading this excerpt of his post, so I came to head. Sometimes you see a person first, but you feel like you already saw her somewhere, but you can not remember from where, you can not remember when and where you saw that face. Dream? :scratch: Could be.


Yeah, it happens a lot... And maybe could be because our souls meet other souls when we think we're dreaming but we're actually wandering around...

[Ashtanga]

Yeah, it happens a lot... And maybe could be because our souls meet other souls when we think we're dreaming but we're actually wandering around...


Exactly! But having premonitory dreams is not something common. I think only the very special people have. People as well developed sixth sense. Maybe Michael has premonitory dreams and do not know, not know that it is a premonitory dream, a warning is sent to him through a dream. Who knows Michael walks dreaming with your other half... so they already know through the dream...


And I remembered a fact now very curious about the singer of the band A-ha... he had premonitory dreams throughout his life, he not only knew... He just found out and thought they were premonitory dreams as adult. And his story is very interesting. Also dreams become reality.


Wow, my thoughts are flying away. lol! I think it is sleep... :wild:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

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Just perfect, Ape! I loved this idea came up with...

In fact, you did it so perfectly, that I would say that you are the girl in Michael's dreams and you just came to realize it! :P

But yes, maybe she doesn't know that her man is Michael..
:D Wouldn't that be nice hey? Maybe I already realized it years ago :o Guess I won't know till we meet then :cheeky: Maybe I am...woohoo!!!(but I'm not a telemarketer..lol) Or maybe I just watch too many Disney movies :wub: lol what a dreamer hey?

But maybe, if that could be, then all this stage has already passed. Maybe they already know by now who they are to each other and that's why we are seeing the sparkle in his eyes and hearing the love in his songs.

[Renata]

^Yeah... Michael's eyes are glowing and sparkling lately.. like the eyes of someone who is in love...

[Ape]

I feel another movie reference coming on....(yeah, a little bored)

Heaven Can Wait. In the end Joe (Warren Beatty) pleads with the woman he's in love with (Julie Christie's character), because he knows he is scheduled to die and has to give up his present body and be reassigned another (because of a blunder made by an angel)...for her to please, if ever another guy should come her way and ask her out for coffee...and she sees "something in his eyes," something familiar....to please give him a chance. Because to her, he will not look like Joe, she will have no way to recognize him that way....but inside...it will be Joe.

Everyone go back on topic now. Don't mind my periodic insertions.That sounds like my kinda movie. I haven't seen it before. Sounds interesting. This is nice, it's gotten all dreamy again and sweet. I like when we all add our thoughts like this and let ourselves imagine and dream. It's nice :) :cheers: like girl talk. (oops, I see a man in the thread.. lol I wondered what happened to you. Never mind the girl talk reference then ;) )

btw Renata, thank you for your huge compliment to my post :) :hug: (lol look at all my smilies, I feel like Summer)

[Itsjustmenothim]

talkin about dreams now? what song is that from?

[Ape]

I don't know.. which one? What happened to everybody? Maybe everyone went to bed perchance to dream... about a certain someone to see if it works.

[Lisha]

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[SoS]

Very nice quote. That's why I love that line so well, "That when she's with me...she's home."I love that line too. It reminds me also of the line in the Anita Baker song that says, "my weary mind is rested, and I feel as if my home is in your arms"

*may as well keep singing*

"my fears are all gone I like the, sound of your song, and I think I wanna sing it foreverrrrrrrrrr"

*we're so off topic now - musical interlude* :giggle:

[Ape]

Exactly! But having premonitory dreams is not something common. I think only the very special people have. People as well developed sixth sense. Maybe Michael has premonitory dreams and do not know, not know that it is a premonitory dream, a warning is sent to him through a dream. Who knows Michael walks dreaming with your other half... so they already know through the dream...


And I remembered a fact now very curious about the singer of the band A-ha... he had premonitory dreams throughout his life, he not only knew... He just found out and thought they were premonitory dreams as adult. And his story is very interesting. Also dreams become reality.


Wow, my thoughts are flying away. lol! I think it is sleep... :wild:

Really? I would like to hear more. It's funny, we live our lives but never really know what is normal or not or if our experiences are unique or if everyone has similar ones, because we only live our own lives and no one elses. If you have things in your life that happen and you don't talk to anyone else about them, or read about them, then you don't get to know if it is a common or unique experience. I wonder if we all have premonition type dreams but just don't recognize them as such. Can you tell more about that?

It sounds fascinating.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hate to make this love story even more complicated than it already is, but then again, why not?:D

What if the two people in this love story are seeing each other in their dreams, but when they wake up, only one of them remembers the encounter - I'm talking specifically, Michael! After all, in his songs he talks about how vivid and "real" his dreams are, but what if it isn't that way for her? What if she wakes up and actually, for whatever reason, doesn't remember a thing? I mean, in her waking hours she may know she loves Michael and everything, but what if she is unaware that she has been visiting him in her dreams?

Perhaps this ability was given to him only so that he could get to know her better since she probably isn't famous; but she wasn't given the ability to see him vividly and remember the encounter because she already knows him anyways since he is already famous. She wouldn't need to see Michael in her dreams. She can see him anytime.

I think this could lead to a lot of confusion and pain. Michael might have thought she rejected him or found another love when she didn't immediately come forward, but maybe that wasn't it at all. Maybe she just didn't know this was happening.

[Ape]

So she wouldn't know that she loved him? Or at least on the surface. Maybe subconsciously?

That would complicate things in a different way to the one I had imagined.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So she wouldn't know that she loved him? Or at least on the surface. Maybe subconsciously?

That would complicate things in a different way to the one I had imagined.


Oh, no, I'm not saying that she doesn't know that she loves him. She may full-well know that she loves him.

But, maybe she is unaware that she has been with him in some other dream-like state of being or realm or wherever it is that two people meet "spiritually" and when she wakes up she may not even remember it, but she still knows that she loves him.

[Ape]

So it would be more of a fan-like love then in that scenario? Without knowing that she knew him. (I think I'm getting too tired to wrap my head around all this stuff suddenly..lol) Sorry I've suddenly gotten real dense due to needing to fall asleep I think.

(about the A-Ha guy, I was googling trying to find something to read about this but could find nothing. I don't know where to look. Can you help me out please Ashtanga so that I can read more? Thank you)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

Really? I would like to hear more. It's funny, we live our lives but never really know what is normal or not or if our experiences are unique or if everyone has similar ones, because we only live our own lives and no one elses. If you have things in your life that happen and you don't talk to anyone else about them, or read about them, then you don't get to know if it is a common or unique experience. I wonder if we all have premonition type dreams but just don't recognize them as such. Can you tell more about that?

It sounds fascinating.


It is a very interesting story. The story is well... One person I know that is very fan of the band A-ha who told me that history. It is about the singer of the band A-ha Morten Harket. This story he told in an interview for a magazine. I had a Brazilian girl who dreamed as a kid with a kid. This girl was growing and this boy's dream also grew up with it in adulthood. One day this girl has the disc of A-ha and she was shocked that the boy who grew up in the dream she was with Morten Harket and so far she did not know the band A-ha. She became a fan of the band and decided that one day the boy would know of his dream. In a show (he says in the interview the country), she has known Morten Harket, and he has a scare when he saw her. You know why? Morten Harket also dreamed since childhood with her and also the two grew together in his dream. She was the girl he wanted. They talked about it very much and became friends and are friends today. And they almost got married! It is incredible? The two had the entire life and did not know premonitory dreams. The dreams ended with the meeting of them! :wild:

[Ape]

That is very, very interesting. But if we look at the song lyrics from "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" it seems MJ hoped back then even that one day she would know and finally hear his whispers (in a spiritual sense) as well...

"I hear your voice now, you are my choice now..." is what he has her say eventually in the song (second verse, the response verse).

He might very well be saying, "FINALLY!" :lol:ohhhhhhhhhh (I finally got your post..lol. Gees I am sleepy suddenly. Time for me to go sleep and dream about MJ hey? ;) lol just joking. Unless he wants to show up in them.

I keep having dreams lately that I can't remember once I wake up. It's very frustrating.

Oh I got a brainwave here! We can go into the "Dreams about MJ" thread to go find the one who he's been singing about :D

[Ashtanga]

(about the A-Ha guy, I was googling trying to find something to read about this but could find nothing. I don't know where to look. Can you help me out please Ashtanga so that I can read more? Thank you)


See my previous post. The Mortem Harbet spoke about it in an interview for a magazine. The person who told me, that is many years. That was in the 80s. I do not know if you can find on Google or only in the band forum about it. :cheeky:

[Lisha]

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[MysteriousPhoenix]

So it would be more of a fan-like love then in that scenario? Without knowing that she knew him.

Yes. Sort of.

[Ape]

WOW that is really interesting. So really exactly (well almost) like what I had written in my thing. I actually have a good friend that is experiencing something like this (not with MJ). So maybe it is more common than I'd think. Hearing it, it sounds too bad that they didn't marry. It would be the perfect ending to that story, but it's not a fairytale, it;s real life right? So who knows the outcome. Fascinating though to hear of someone that it happened to. You really would just think it's just a dream though, I think.



It is a very interesting story. The story is well... One person I know that is very fan of the band A-ha who told me that history. It is about the singer of the band A-ha Morten Harket. This story he told in an interview for a magazine. I had a Brazilian girl who dreamed as a kid with a kid. This girl was growing and this boy's dream also grew up with it in adulthood. One day this girl has the disc of A-ha and she was shocked that the boy who grew up in the dream she was with Morten Harket and so far she did not know the band A-ha. She became a fan of the band and decided that one day the boy would know of his dream. In a show (he says in the interview the country), she has known Morten Harket, and he has a scare when he saw her. You know why? Morten Harket also dreamed since childhood with her and also the two grew together in his dream. She was the girl he wanted. They talked about it very much and became friends and are friends today. And they almost got married! It is incredible? The two had the entire life and did not know premonitory dreams. The dreams ended with the meeting of them! :wild:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Ah yes. Well if that is the case, I would hope that she'd "finally get it in time" as the song goes ;) . It could fit couldn't it?
Now I must sleep. Goodnight everyone and have great days and magical dreams when you sleep :D May we all dream of our true loves.:cheers:

:angel:

[Ashtanga]

WOW that is really interesting. So really exactly (well almost) like what I had written in my thing. I actually have a good friend that is experiencing something like this (not with MJ). So maybe it is more common than I'd think. Hearing it, it sounds too bad that they didn't marry. It would be the perfect ending to that story, but it's not a fairytale, it;s real life right? So who knows the outcome. Fascinating though to hear of someone that it happened to. You really would just think it's just a dream though, I think.


It is an incredible story. They are friends today. Wow, your friend is experiencing this? What incredible. Well, dreams can become reality. But this is only possible when we dream that this very place is where most want to happen and then everything is conspiring to your benefit.
I believe in dreams and you? :scratch:

[Itsjustmenothim]

gnight ladies

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Or she might be worried that she might have only that type of love because she is not understanding the great pull she is having towards him, knowing very well she doesn't even know him. She might be walking around everyday thinking, "What am I missing here? What is going on with me? What do I have to do with Michael Jackson?"


Yes. It may have actually been that way at some point.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

Hate to make this love story even more complicated than it already is, but then again, why not?:D

What if the two people in this love story are seeing each other in their dreams, but when they wake up, only one of them remembers the encounter - I'm talking specifically, Michael! After all, in his songs he talks about how vivid and "real" his dreams are, but what if it isn't that way for her? What if she wakes up and actually, for whatever reason, doesn't remember a thing? I mean, in her waking hours she may know she loves Michael and everything, but what if she is unaware that she has been visiting him in her dreams?

Perhaps this ability was given to him only so that he could get to know her better since she probably isn't famous; but she wasn't given the ability to see him vividly and remember the encounter because she already knows him anyways since he is already famous. She wouldn't need to see Michael in her dreams. She can see him anytime.

I think this could lead to a lot of confusion and pain. Michael might have thought she rejected him or found another love when she didn't immediately come forward, but maybe that wasn't it at all. Maybe she just didn't know this was happening.

Interesting points there MP. However, maybe she was (and is) as shy as he is? Maybe he tried to approach her, but she looked indifferent to him, not because she wasn't interested...she just was speechless towards him? That she just didn't know what to say, or how to say it?

[AllForMJ]

This is what MJ...a person that went through a very long period where he felt hated…said about love. He said this a little while before he released “Invincible” in 2001.

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with. A professor may degrade you, but you will not feel degraded, a boss may crush you, but you will not be crushed, a corporate gladiator might vanquish you, but you will still triumph.

How could any of them truly prevail in pulling you down? For you know that you are an object worthy of love. The rest is just packaging. But if you don’t have that memory of being loved, you are condemned to search the world for something to fill you up. But no matter how much money you make or how famous you become, you will still feel empty. What you are really searching for is unconditional love, unqualified acceptance."

The above are MJ’s very own words about love and what love can do. Within these words, he has explained what he has been searching for.

As we are here deciphering his love songs, we must also remember that he has made it clear that he is a recording artist that only sings what he means. Also, please know that after MJ completed his speech where he said what is quoted above, he broke down and cried uncontrollably. No one was able to console him. He was overtaken by his unhappiness. He couldn’t hold it back anymore.

While keeping all of this in mind, let’s look at the way that he went through the trial. Isn’t it true that he wasn’t smiling during the time that “Invincible” was released, but he was smiling during the trial? Isn’t it true that he looked deeply depressed during the time that his album was released, but he was energetic during the trial, except for when he got to the very, very end?

Why would a person that was crying before even being put through such agony be smiling while he is fighting for his life? How is it that a person that looked deeply depressed before even being put through such agony be glowing while he was fighting for his life?

Can it be because he was experiencing the very type of love that he had been searching for, for so long and truly needed in order to make it through his darkest hour? What else could it have been?

There are three love songs that MimiK has listed under the “Invincible” recording sessions that MJ did not put on “Invincible.” These three love songs were started just prior to the release of “Invincible,” so they actually could have been included if MJ wanted to include them, but he didn’t. Two were started in the late 1990’s and one was started in 2000. By leaving these three love songs off of the album, it became an album where MJ was mainly expressing his unhappiness. The three love songs that were excluded are love songs that sound serene and they are “Fall Again,” “Beautiful Girl” and “The Way You Love Me.”

These three love songs that were not placed on the “Invincible” album in 2001, were instead released with “The Ultimate Collection” box set in 2004. The year 2004, is when MJ was in fact going through the trial, and it was not a time that one would expect him to be showing signs of happiness, but he was. His very own demeanor in 2004, and the way that he decided to release these serene sounding love songs, confirms what he said above about what love can do.

No one can look back at the year 2004 and say MJ was not being put through something that was meant to make him feel degraded, crushed and vanquished. And, after reading what he said love can do, and looking at what he came through, can anyone say he did not know what he was talking about? By him wanting to release these three serene sounding love songs in 2004, rather than in 2001, shows he meant it at the time that he put them out. Love had come into his life and someone brought it. In “The Way You Love Me,” he said she came in time.

The following is information pulled from “The Ultimate Collection” booklet about the love songs titled, “Fall Again,” “Beautiful Girl,” and “The Way You Love Me.”


Fall Again (Demo)
Recorded 1999
Previously Unissued

Beautiful Girl (Demo)
Recorded 1998 - 2004
Previously Unissued

The Way You Love Me
Recorded 2000 - 2004
Previously Unissued


In addition to MJ releasing the above three love songs, he had also recorded and released “One More Chance” in 2003. It is a song about taking another chance at love.

So now, we have him releasing a love song that is about taking another chance at love and him later releasing three love songs the following year that are about being in love with someone. Plus, his overall demeanor is proving his words that are quoted above, he was starting to look vibrant again, and he was smiling and laughing again.

With all of this, and hearing him repeating the words “I’m in love with you,” can we really try to believe that he doesn’t know who he is in love with? Can any of us really override his words or try to muffle what he is saying? How can we do that when the way that he pulled through the trial while displaying his love for someone is proving exactly what he said in his speech? What he said was actually being done.

There are other songs, aside from the above, that show he knows exactly who he is serenading and he means exactly what he is saying.

This love song, which was leaked onto the Internet in 2006, further proves he was in love during the trial. It is the song titled “Love Never Felt So Good.” This is not the one that was recorded by Johnny Mathis, although MJ and two other people wrote it for Johnny to record. This one that appeared on the Internet 2006 is MJ’s actual demo. He’s the one singing in it.

Love Never Felt So Good (Demo)
http://www.mjtunes.com/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=614

Look at this verse:

Baby, I should try to get you
More and more in my life
‘Cause when I’m with you
Baby love never felt so good

It’s all right there… How can it feel good, if it’s not there.

Notice that he’s saying he wants to try and get her more and more in his life. In “Fall Again,” he said the words, “I need your love in my life.” In “The Way You Love Me” he had said, “I was alone, there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time.”

Do you see how he keeps referring to his life and wanting her in it? How can love feel good to him and at the same time not be coming from somewhere? And how could something that is not real pull him through a trial? A mere dream was not going to sustain him while he was going through something as grueling as that trial. But, true love that he could feel could do so. He had to be able to feel it and believe in it in order for it to do what he needed it to do.

So now, there is “One More Chance” that he released in 2003, “Fall Again,” “Beautiful Girl,” and “The Way You Love Me” that he released in 2004, his “Love Never Felt So Good” demo that appeared out of nowhere in 2006, and then there is also “For All Time” that he worked on and released on 2008.

“For All Time” also has a line in it that says the love is good. The line goes, “For this good love I’m receiving, I’d go anywhere.” Some of us were thinking he was saying “For this good love I’m receiving.” Some of us were thinking he was saying, “For this good love undeceiving,” but no matter which one it is, one thing is for sure and that is that he said it is, “good love.” Those two words…good love…tie right into “Love Never Felt So Good.”

Here is the man that was feeling deeply hated now saying he is experiencing love that is good. And when you look back at pictures of him, you can see that he is happy about something. When you listen to him you can hear that he is happy about something. What is the topic of the songs? The topic is about being in love.

There is also a song that he actually wrote during the trial itself where he says, “Your true love showed me the way…the way I had to go.”

Now, we’re seeing that him saying…back during the trial…that her true love showed him the way, he’s calling the love good, he’s looking vibrant again, he’s smiling and laughing again, his tears have stopped flowing, he came out triumphant, and all of this has proven what he said during this speech in 2001.

So, how can we possibly think he doesn’t know when he is in love? How can some say these are just songs, while also knowing he said he only sings what he means and seeing that he brought out and worked on songs that he had originally put away? And, that the songs are proving the point that he was making in his speech.

Something real cannot be proven with something that is not real. It won’t happen. But, if he said love is what could pull a person though things that are meant to pull someone down, and he came through something really tough before the eyes of the entire world that was specifically set up to pull him down, but it couldn’t, then it is because he had love in his life at the time.

If some still think he doesn’t know who he is in love with, there is the song “Hold My Hand” to look at. The words show he knows exactly who he is serenading. In this song he says the following:

This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for
(Hold my hand)
We’re better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)

‘Cause I’ve been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright
‘Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other
Till we see the sunlight

How can he say things that shows he knows what she has been through if he doesn’t know who he is serenading? He know exactly who his words are meant for. In “For All Time” he is revealing that he wants his words to keep her happy. He also knows that she is showing him love, because he can feel it. He’s been holding on to it. He just wants the rest that comes with it. That's what he is saying. Having it helped him to deal with what he was going through. It proved his point.

[friend]

this threads kinda like religion. everyone has a diff take based off of something even tho everyone has the same text to pull from. some seem convinced about one aspect or another due to their own understanding of this or that. some day we will be able to ask God things we did not get or understand. unlike religion tho, the one over all this does not seem to wish to speak on it to the general population, else there would be no mystery of who she is. "if" they've been together since the trial (or perhaps even before), and he has remained mum, wouldn't that indicate his attitude towards how much he wishes to be known or shared? and "if" they are together, then the lyrics to songs no longer need to serve the purpose of messages. perhaps earlier on? but "if" she's been there to sustain him since at least 2004 lyrics written would be something sweet from him to her, but not serving the same purpose. "if" there ever was a mystery at all, and all that has been deducted was how it all played out, then the mystery has already unfolded for the two of them.

[Ashtanga]

Why did they only almost marry? Why have such a connection like that for no other reason than just to meet one day? Odd. Oh I see they are still friends today...so their story hasn't exactly ended.
Yes, they are friends. She is the best friend of his and they almost got married, but nobody knows why they are not married. I do not know who is this girl (she is Brazilian), I know that in the interview he gave to the magazine he did not mention her name, I believe that to maintain the privacy of the girl. It is an amazing story, is proof that dreams can become reality. :yes:



But last night I was thinking much about it... I dream about and something came to mind, but I do not know if I post here not to leave the focus of discussion. Does Michael have premonitory dreams and do not know? Yes, he can have those dreams and not share with anyone who thinks or on the subject and why he does not know which is premonitory. It is normal and as we all dream. And if he dreams about this girl? He can see it perfectly in your dreams, see your face or it may be blurry dreams and not see his face, he remembers the dream but dream. This can occur. Once told me that dreams have meaning yes and if not remember the dream that is so must be the dream is a warning of what can happen. But back to the possible dream of Michael... If he can not see her face may be that God does not want it to look. It is a special person that God is preparing for it. But why then were they not? Why for God is not yet time. Everything has to happen some time in our lives and God only knows where it really should happen. He observes everything, each step of each of us. In the case of Michael, perhaps is not the time and the time when God will lead this meeting and thereafter shall forward with Michael and his girl. Will be receiving notices that Michael goes through dreams? It is a great mystery. Well, sorry if I went too far, if my thoughts flew too far, if I ran away from the focus of the discussion and especially the size of the post. lol! Because I was thinking much about it last night and felt it should share with you here. :)

[Ashtanga]

this threads kinda like religion. everyone has a diff take based off of something even tho everyone has the same text to pull from. some seem convinced about one aspect or another due to their own understanding of this or that. some day we will be able to ask God things we did not get or understand. unlike religion tho, the one over all this does not seem to wish to speak on it to the general population, else there would be no mystery of who she is. "if" they've been together since the trial (or perhaps even before), and he has remained mum, wouldn't that indicate his attitude towards how much he wishes to be known or shared? and "if" they are together, then the lyrics to songs no longer need to serve the purpose of messages. perhaps earlier on? but "if" she's been there to sustain him since at least 2004 lyrics written would be something sweet from him to her, but not serving the same purpose. "if" there ever was a mystery at all, and all that has been deducted was how it all played out, then the mystery has already unfolded for the two of them.


It is a great mystery to be unveiled! :wild:

[Sdeidjs]

MP what you said about her waking up and realizing that she loves him (which I imagine she already knew lol) made me wonder what it must feel like to wake up and realize that HE loves/loved HER Can you 'imagine?


All of you have stimulated lots of food for thought :brow:

If the current "she" (yes, if there is a "she") is, as the song Fall Again and other songs suggests, is someone from the past, who "ran away" as Fall Again and other songs also suggest, she too had to be uncertain at the time (since he has so many questions it shows that not a lot of two-way communication was going on) and perhaps back then, at the height of his career she felt that even if he was in her life for a millisecond, that she wouldn't matter to him and felt that he'd quickly forget about her if she quickly left, and perhaps never would have expected to hear about herself in his songs which could partly explain why it took so many songs for him to "get through" (although I'm not sure I buy the idea of him thinking he was clearly communicating to her either).

When looking at what kind of person would "up and run away" from him of all people, I can only imagine a person afraid of something, and since MJ is as far from being a monster as a person can get, I can't see her looking him in the face and doing that so I am going to assume that it wasn't quite the way it seemed or felt to him at the time.

All that to say that if she has now seen herself in music since the releasing of One More Chance, it had to have been a surprise to her, demanding her full attention on, as MP said, trying to distinguish, not only her feelings, but his "messages" in the music and whether they're even meant for her and which are and which are not.

Michael's talent for sounding like he's talking to one person has been apparant from day one, so I agree that it would take a whole lot more than the usual attention for her to get to a point of KNOWing that he's talking to her.

Another thing she'd have to distinguish at this time is whether perhaps he has been singing to her primarily to "complete the past" just so that he can move forward with his life and/or whether perhaps even he didn't realize that was what he was even doing at the time that he was making the songs. To me, a song seems to have the same effect as a photograph. Just because a person looked or sounded like that at the given moment, doesn't mean they will always and everyone knows that what happens a lot of times when a person has left another without warning is a human need for closure.

If MJ has just been in need of closure and has received it then what MP and others have suggested about him moving on would seem a possibility, given the fact that "she" is undoubtedly middle aged by now and someone he doesn't know in the same way that he knows people he interacts with and who are his physical 3-D companions throughout his days.

MJ is surrounded by beautiful, eligible, qualified, young women who can easily give him those other ten children to make the 13 he said he wanted years ago and may still desire, in order to carry on his legacy for the 'immortality' we all know he desires to create in the world.

If that is the case she, along with everyone else who loves him (especially if she is truly his 'Ben-friend') would undoubtedly rejoice at his happiness, even if it takes her a while to get her "life back". I'd think someone in her position in a case like that, would be in need of closure too. Especially if one of the things he 'got' in getting his closure was that she didn't realize anything until now. Yes, MP, its gotta be painful, I concur.

If, on the other hand, since having a family and coming of age since he set that (13 children) goal, (which it seems he could have had by now if he wanted them because nothing stopped him from having the ones he has) and he does still feel as he felt when he released songs like Fall Again and the woman in question is anything like him in ways and values that attract people to eachother (eg., spiritually inclined, creative, exuberant, lively and fun, old fashioned) then by her being spiritually inclined she is probably seeking God in all her trials and dealing with what often goes with that which is possibly a fair amount of sufferring too, because God said that "in the world, you will have tribulation".

Another thing is that one thing about men generally is that relationship problems a lot of times, cause them to focus more on career goals, whereas women tend to get "paralyzed" into resolving problems of love. It could be difficult if not next to impossible for her to focus effectively on her "here and now" and her own goals whilst revisiting the [pain of] the past, (hers and his) and trying to distinguish his communications of the "present". If she is "old fashioned" like he is, and only wanted to be with him, then she may be treating his absence like old fashioned women do who have lost a mate. They often live without anyone. It is a different matter for a woman to live without a man than it is for a man to live without a woman. He can have numerous surrogates at every turn whereas it can be unadvisable for a female to have surrogate men in her life because often, it eventually involves a price that a chaste woman would not entertain "paying" and may avoid altogether which leads to a limited, limiting life.

Speaking of career, if she is primarily a creative type like he, plus has "personality", then her strong suit could easily be communication and if that is her field, she also might feel utterly vulnerable to once again, the "help" of men, because it often comes with a "price" and I don't think MJ's done any songs to help with that lol. Men as mentors for women can be a tricky thing so she might would be having some issues in terms of career as well, no matter what field she's in.

It seems though that (unlike the beautiful lyic in the song IJCSLY says), they obviously can live without eachother because they have, with greater or lesser success.

If she has spent energies she needs for surviving, on trying to distinguish all the confusions that MP brought up, there's no telling the price she's had to pay for not being fully engaged in her personal "here and now". One has to be fully "present" to simply go to work everyday, pay bills, handle responsibities to family, friends, etc. and I doubt anyone wants to hear, "hang on, I have to listen to this song again and again" :lol: At some point I'm sure that everyone would be looking at her like: :errm: It seems that if she has a lot of people relying on her to keep her full attention on the "here and now" then either she's not paying MJ very much attention at all or her she's skating on thin ice in her every day life.

Perhaps that's one of the lessons this relationship has had for both them. That God is the only one who will see each of them through even though they inspire one another from a distance, to know that as a human here on earth, they individually, are not alone, that there is a twin soul, who understands.

Michael's reliance on God was strengthend and is seeing him through to victory and so the same will undoubtedly be true of her in the end, as "all things work togethr for the good of those who love God". Even with a mate in a person's life, reliance on God is everyone's lesson at the end of the day.

oh well my 2 cents.

I guess this is good a time as any for a song ...

Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSh5wUtXt4&feature=related


http://www.mp3lyrics.org/b/bette-midler/from-a-distance/


Quote: Perhaps that's one of the lessons this relationship has had for both them. That God is the only one who will see each of them through even though they inspire one another from a distance, to know that as a human here on earth, they individually, are not alone, that there is a twin soul, who understands.

:angel:My goodness gracious...Impressive State Of Shock Impressive

[Sdeidjs]

Thanks MP - glad my post made some kind of sense. Can't wait to hear your comments. I agree that there are two schools of thought. I tend to go along with your version with one caveat. I lean more toward whoever said, "he knows exactly who she is" which means I feel it is a combination of both schools of thought combined.

I would include the songs you have but would add a few others which indicates he does know her although they never got together which I was wondering if from his point of view, may be what a need for 'closure' is all about, unless he really knew from looking at her. I've heard of that happening too.
Yes, this is the case in many if not mostly all of the love songs, combined with the fact that he seems to indicate knowing who she is, as well.


I Just Can't Stop Lovin' You
"I call your name" ..."Heaven's glad YOU came"


Fall Again
"something about you, stare in your eyes, everything I'm looking for I seem to find"

Butterflies (rap by Eve)
"she's just your type right, trying to figure out how she can play a major part up in your life right? You figure she'll be perfect lovin' you, fantasize the tingle from her fingers rubbin' you, tryinna analyze the situation, you feeling crazy, want HER there forever, what's so special 'bout this lady...but you' know you're perfect for her" etc.

(sung part) I just want to touch YOU

Break of Dawn
"I can see it in your eyes"

Streetwalker
"see I never met a girl, JUST LIKE YOU, come so easy"

Who Is It
"did YOU really feel I'm lonely"
(spoken part)
"we never were"

Can't Let Her Get Away
"I thought she had to have it, since the first time she CAME, who knows the situation, mysteries do remain, I told you that I need you, a thousand times and why ....but still you said goodbye"

You Are Not Alone
"someone tell me why, did she have to go...though we're far apart, YOU'RE always in my heart ... you and me! together!"

Someone Put Your Hand Outt
"I've searched this whole world WISHING SHE'll be there"

Those songs suggest he knows who she is, desired to meet her, made an attempt to meet her or get together with her and something went wrong.

Here are a few songs that could suggest they were in the same proximity (and could be about someone different than the old songs although they are of a 'dreamy' nature as well so its hard to conclude one way or the other) :
The Way You Love Me
"I like the way how YOU're holding me"

For All Time
"with a tender touch you KNOW so well"

Beautiful Girl
"its almost like dancing, WHEN romancing in her arms, its just a part of it"

Hold My Hand
"YOU've been there before and I've been there ..."

and the songs on Thriller25 seem to suggest someone he knows as well but may not have gotten with ... fantasy of peeling off jeans, negligee etc.
Maybe its a combination of both also because if the theory of this thread is nearly on point, then there is "someone" who's been hopefully getting his messages, if any of them have indeed been "messages". That's what my post was really all about. What must it be like, if she is actually 'getting' them.

I do tend to feel that if she is, she aught to let him know it, since communication is a two-way street. Otherwise, she is, as I have said way back in this thread, just a 'muse' it seems to me.
THAT's what I was trying to say! :lol: dang I need to work on brevity!

Quote: Those songs suggest he knows who she is, desired to meet her, made an attempt to meet her or get together with her and something went wrong.

:angel:Another fine reflection of thought...you sure you weren't there with them...Giggles~~~

[Sdeidjs]

a http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/grunge/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1883306#post1883306)
exactly

When you look in the mirror you see your own soul. When you look in the eyes of someone who shares that same soul source, you see yourself. Could be a little unsettling too ... even though we're all connected, its not everyone you look at and see your personal self.

OMG I just had another epiphany. What if this "running away" that "she" has been doing wasn't running from him at all but running from herself!

If we're onto something and God is showing him her character as queen_g suggested then hopefully he would be merciful to understand they share many of the same strengths and weaknesses lol just played out in different ways. That's what happens with soul mates. They are different people and yet and still 'the same'.

NOT that I'm saying he's running from himself in a different way, just that even if he didn't run from her ... something stopped him knocking on her door since 19 ...whenever. I know of fans he has grabbed, kissed, visited, written letters to and mailed them etc.

"she" he meets in song alone ...

Quote: When you look in the mirror you see your own soul. When you look in the eyes of someone who shares that same soul source, you see yourself.

I could see that...

:angel: