Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Sdeidjs]

*singing*


... When you can see your unborn children in her eyes, you know you really loooooooooove a woman!

Awwwe...I love that song...beautiful~~~

:angel:

[LindaC781]

^ Good theory...

Maybe they're searching for themselves and, when they finally meet eachother, they will find their inner selves..

And also they may feel kinda the same way... Kinda lonely, like one part of them was missing, because their hearts belong together but they are apart and this must hurt a lot!

He may be now very happy to know there is someone special out there for him, and she is happy that he is someone special out there for her...

Kinda reminds me of another song: (hums to herself "Somewhere, Out There)

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[Ashtanga]

He may be now very happy to know there is someone special out there for him, and she is happy that he is someone special out there for her...

Kinda reminds me of another song: (hums to herself "Somewhere, Out There)

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Somewhere Out There

Somewhere out there,
Beneath the pale moonlight,
Someone's thinking of me,
And loving me tonight.

Somewhere out there,
Someone's saying a prayer,
That we'll find one another,
In that big somewhere out there.

And even though I know how very far apart we are,
It helps to think we might be wishing on the same bright star,
And when the night wind starts to sing a lonesome lullaby,
It helps to think we're sleeping underneath the same big sky!

Somewhere out there,
If love can see us through,
Then we'll be together,
Somewhere out there,
Out where dreams,
Come true... :wub::wub::wub:




:wild::wild::wild: This song is beautiful!!!!! :clapping:

[Ashtanga]

I remember this song now. It has everything to do with Michael...



I Wanna Know What Love Is - Foreigner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz2cUX0CNA8



I gotta take a little time,
A little time to think things over
I better read between the lines,
In case I need it when I'm older
Aaaah woah-ah-aah


Now this mountain I must climb,
Feels like the world upon my shoulders
Through the clouds I see love shine,
It keeps me warm as life grows colder


In my life
There's been heartache and pain
I don't know
If I can face it again
Can't stop now,
I've travelled so far,
To change this lonely life


I wanna know what love is,
I want you to show me
I wanna feel what love is,
I know you can show me
Aaaah woah-oh-ooh


I'm gonna take a little time,
A little time to look around me
I've got nowhere left to hide,
It looks like love
Has finally found me


In my life
There's been heartache and pain
I don't know
If I can face it again
Can't stop now,
I've travelled so far,
To change this lonely life
I wanna to know what love is,
I want you to show me
I wanna feel what love is,
I know you can show me


I wanna know what love is,
I want you to show me
(And I wanna feel)
I wanna feel what love is
(And I know)
I know you can show me


Let's talk about love
(I wanna know what love is) the love that you feel inside
(I want you to show me) I'm feeling so much love
(I wanna feel what love is) no, you just cannot hide
(I know you can show me) yeah, woah-oh-ooh
I wanna know what love is, let's talk about love
(I want you to show me) I wanna feel it too
(I wanna feel what love is) I wanna feel it too
And I know, and I know, I know you can show me


Show me what is real, woah (woah), yeah I know
(I wanna know what love is) hey I wanna know what love
(I want you to show me), I wanna know, I wanna know, want know
(I wanna feel what love is), hey I wanna feel, love
I know you can show me, yeah

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I remember this song now. It has everything to do with Michael...
I Wanna Know What Love Is - Foreigner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz2cUX0CNA8



Hey, ashtanga! I love this song!:wild: It was one of my favorite songs in high school. Have you ever heard Wynona Judd sing it? It would just make you weep; she sings it with so much feeling.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

Somewhere Out There

Somewhere out there,
Beneath the pale moonlight,
Someone's thinking of me,
And loving me tonight.

Somewhere out there,
Someone's saying a prayer,
That we'll find one another,
In that big somewhere out there.

And even though I know how very far apart we are,
It helps to think we might be wishing on the same bright star,
And when the night wind starts to sing a lonesome lullaby,
It helps to think we're sleeping underneath the same big sky!

Somewhere out there,
If love can see us through,
Then we'll be together,
Somewhere out there,
Out where dreams,
Come true... :wub::wub::wub:




:wild::wild::wild: This song is beautiful!!!!! :clapping:

Glad you like it!! Isn't it one of the most beautiful songs? Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram did a fantastic version of it...Here's a cuter version of it, starring the cartoon characters from the movie it came from "An American Tail"...

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[LindaC781]

Here is Wynnona singing "I Wanna Know What Love Is". She is absolutely phenomenal. I love her voice...always have!

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[LindaC781]

Also, here is a song from "her" perspective. I think this is for Michael! Whaddya think?

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[MysteriousPhoenix]

This song reminds me of Michael's "lonely" times ...


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Lover All Alone lyrics

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
And I've been wrong all along
For all I know the feeling
And the picture that I've tried
So hard to find isn't mine

Could be its all just a waiting game
Wanna share my everything

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
This love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

Picking up the pieces makes me wonder if
I only build it all to watch it fall
The faster it can go away it means the less of me
Is gone to stay and I'm ok

But lonesome tomorrow comes anyway
I'm alone for another day,
Another day

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love
A lover all alone without love

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
But I've been wrong all along

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

this threads kinda like religion. everyone has a diff take based off of something even tho everyone has the same text to pull from. some seem convinced about one aspect or another due to their own understanding of this or that. some day we will be able to ask God things we did not get or understand. unlike religion tho, the one over all this does not seem to wish to speak on it to the general population, else there would be no mystery of who she is. "if" they've been together since the trial (or perhaps even before), and he has remained mum, wouldn't that indicate his attitude towards how much he wishes to be known or shared? and "if" they are together, then the lyrics to songs no longer need to serve the purpose of messages. perhaps earlier on? but "if" she's been there to sustain him since at least 2004 lyrics written would be something sweet from him to her, but not serving the same purpose. "if" there ever was a mystery at all, and all that has been deducted was how it all played out, then the mystery has already unfolded for the two of them.
Wow! It is kinda like that, huh?! LOL

Well you know, MJ actually is not obligated to say anything. We should just enjoy seeing him feeling uplifted. It's like he did not speak to the media following his court victory, but it's not hard to tell that he won.

If he is singing about being in love and he was singing it during the trial while he was fighting to prove his innocence, and he had the song "Beautiful Girl" playing while he was being interviewed on television by Geraldo during the trial, then he wanted that song to be heard. He very easily could have played the music for the song "In The Back," but he didn't. The music for "Beautiful Girl" is what he chose to play.

:)

[LindaC781]

This song reminds me of Michael's "lonely" times ...


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Lover All Alone lyrics

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
And I've been wrong all along
For all I know the feeling
And the picture that I've tried
So hard to find isn't mine

Could be its all just a waiting game
Wanna share my everything

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
This love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

Picking up the pieces makes me wonder if
I only build it all to watch it fall
The faster it can go away it means the less of me
Is gone to stay and I'm ok

But lonesome tomorrow comes anyway
I'm alone for another day,
Another day

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love
A lover all alone without love

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
But I've been wrong all along

OMG MP....what a gorgeous song this is!! However, this may be a MJ song for when he's feeling the love...and she's not there to receive it...

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[Ashtanga]

Hey, ashtanga! I love this song!:wild: It was one of my favorite songs in high school. Have you ever heard Wynona Judd sing it? It would just make you weep; she sings it with so much feeling.


Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww of course I have heard the Wynona Judd singing this song! And this is also one of my favorites. It really is a beautiful song. A song of love....:wub: Love is in the air... lol! I think someone passed through here again today... lol! :wild:

[Ashtanga]

^ Thanks for that tip! I just gave Wynona's version a listen to on YouTube. It rocks! She even sang the word "yeah" with great feeling. haha. Good song choice, ashtanga...thank's for bringing it to our attention here in the thread. :)


Thanks! I think I'm learning to interpret the messages of the songs... one day I get there! lol! :D

[Ashtanga]

Glad you like it!! Isn't it one of the most beautiful songs? Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram did a fantastic version of it...Here's a cuter version of it, starring the cartoon characters from the movie it came from "An American Tail"...

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Wow, this music is very beautiful! This movie was one of my favorites as a kid! :wild:

[Ashtanga]

This song reminds me of Michael's "lonely" times ...


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Lover All Alone lyrics

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
And I've been wrong all along
For all I know the feeling
And the picture that I've tried
So hard to find isn't mine

Could be its all just a waiting game
Wanna share my everything

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
This love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

Picking up the pieces makes me wonder if
I only build it all to watch it fall
The faster it can go away it means the less of me
Is gone to stay and I'm ok

But lonesome tomorrow comes anyway
I'm alone for another day,
Another day

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love

And on my own
It's hard to tell my heart it will be alright
That this love it holds will one day find a home
As hard as love can be
It's harder still it seems
To be a lover all alone without love
A lover all alone without love

Maybe I've convinced myself
I've really been in love
But I've been wrong all along


Wow! Another beautiful song. One of the composers David Foster is? He has worked with many people... I like it! Love is the air again! lol! :wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Who wants to join me in giving him a big hug? :hug:


*waves both hands in the air* Me! Me! Pick Me!!! :lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

*waves both hands in the air* Me! Me! Pick Me!!! :lol:

I'd do more than hug, Michael...http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif

[Ashtanga]

I'd do more than hug, Michael...http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif
Me too!!!! :smilerolleyes:http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif)

[LindaC781]

Hell, we'd ALL do more than just hug ya Mike!! LOL!

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[Ashtanga]

Hell, we'd ALL do more than just hug ya Mike!! LOL!

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:yes::wild::wild:

Who said God whim much time to do the Michael! lol! :wub:
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[AllForMJ]

:lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

:flowers: ashtanga, is that a pic of you in your avatar? What a very pretty girl you are! :yes:



Yes, I am. Thanks! I was embarrassed now... lol! :mello:
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[LindaC781]

Yes, I am. Thanks! I was embarrassed now... lol! :mello:



I agree!! You are very very pretty!!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

^ ^ aw. Sorry to have embarrassed you. Forgive me for that. :blush:

Do not worry! :D It is why I do not have the habit of listening to this kind of thing...

[LindaC781]

Brazilian people are always so good looking...

[Ashtanga]

Brazilian people are always so good looking...
Thanks Linda! When you can come to Brazil, I'm sure you'll love the Brazilian people, we are a people very happy and receptive. All foreigners who come here always come back! There is nothing that Michael has been here three...

Michael when you go to Brazil? lol! :wild:

P.S. Linda, you have to come in the carnival to see this great party, you'll love. And you can not fail to know the Rio de Janeiro is a beautiful city! :)

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[LindaC781]

Thanks Linda! When you can come to Brazil, I'm sure you'll love the Brazilian people, we are a people very happy and receptive. All foreigners who come here always come back! There is nothing that Michael has been here three...

Michael when you go to Brazil? lol! :wild:
Hey ashtanga - maybe that "Beautiful Girl" song was for you?? Just kidding...now don't blush too much! lol.

The Brazilian nurse I work with is very pretty. We just got a Brazilian patient the other night, and she's very pretty...and Gisele Bundchen is from Brazil too....and she's gorgeous...

[Ashtanga]

Hey ashtanga - maybe that "Beautiful Girl" song was for you?? Just kidding...now don't blush too much! lol.
Do not worry! I got no shame now. Hmmm is that "Beautiful Girl" was made for me and I was not notified? lol! :wild:




The Brazilian nurse I work with is very pretty. We just got a Brazilian patient the other night, and she's very pretty...and Gisele Bundchen is from Brazil too....and she's gorgeous...
Wow, then you are a nurse and patient is Brazilian? Then you have raised the plug on Brazil with her. lol! The Gisele is beautiful, I saw myself. It is one of the most famous Brazilian models and think it was the only one that has become much in evidence outside Brazil. Last week she was in Brazil for the season of parades... :)

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[Ape]

:) One of my first closest online friends is from Brazil. We have pretty well lost touch but I still think of her from time to time and every once in a while she pops up out of the blue. Also a beautiful lady.

[LindaC781]

Do not worry! I got no shame now. Hmmm is that "Beautiful Girl" was made for me and I was not notified? lol! :wild:




Wow, then you are a nurse and patient is Brazilian? Then you have raised the plug on Brazil with her. lol! The Gisele is beautiful, I saw myself. It is one of the most famous Brazilian models and think it was the only one that has become much in evidence outside Brazil. Last week she was in Brazil for the season of parades... :)


I know. The nerve of the man, not to dedicate this song to "ashtanga" when he released it....my God. Oh well..lol...

Anyway, the Brazilian patient got happy when I told her that a nurse was from Brazil...so I introduced them...she was happy to speak to someone in her native tongue..her native language...

[LindaC781]

Here it is, a song dedicated to Ashtanga: (The Girl from Ipanema! LOL!)

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[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

Maybe MJ could sing the Girl from Ipanema at his first concert, and dedicate this to ashtanga? Yeah...lets get back on topic...lol

[Ashtanga]

I know. The nerve of the man, not to dedicate this song to "ashtanga" when he released it....my God. Oh well..lol!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:




Anyway, the Brazilian patient got happy when I told her that a nurse was from Brazil...so I introduced them...she was happy to speak to someone in her native tongue..her native language...


Wow, I bet she made friends with everyone, that the Brazilian people is so, know where everyone comes and makes new friends. :D
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[Ashtanga]

:) One of my first closest online friends is from Brazil. We have pretty well lost touch but I still think of her from time to time and every once in a while she pops up out of the blue. Also a beautiful lady.


That cool! Now you have a Brazilian friend: I! lol! :D

[Ashtanga]

Maybe MJ could sing the Girl from Ipanema at his first concert, and dedicate this to ashtanga? Yeah...lets get back on topic...lol
Who knows... :smilerolleyes: :wub::wild::D

[Ashtanga]

Here I am scrambling in my mind to come up with a way get things back on topic and all I can say is:



I think Rio de Janeiro would be a wonderful city to visit! :yes: I'd like to go there.

(I'm no help! Well, maybe if I add...)

It's a very romantic city, isn't it?

(ya know, since this thread is kinda about a romance...um...)

Hi, Ape! *waves*

Yes, it is a very romantic and has beautiful beaches to date...:wub:

[Ashtanga]

Here it is, a song dedicated to Ashtanga: (The Girl from Ipanema! LOL!)

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Thanks! :D The Brazilian musicians are well known abroad. "The Girl From Ipanema" is wonderful. Then look at this You Tube live music sung by Frank Sinatra and Antonio Carlos Jobim (one of the authors of the music). It is beautiful! Yes, we also have many romantic songs. Some time ago I posted a few songs and videos here, but nobody said anything :(... And I thought: "I think they do not like the Brazilians!" lol! :wild:

Returning to the topic.... lol!

[LindaC781]

We do have this tendency to go off track in this thread don't we? Aw, we're just typical women....ya just never know where this thread is gonna go...and it is a fun thread, doncha think? ;) ;)

[Ashtanga]

We do have this tendency to go off track in this thread don't we? Aw, we're just typical women....ya just never know where this thread is gonna go...and it is a fun thread, doncha think? ;) ;)


Yes, a very fun thread! :D

Sorry girls, having escaped the focus of the topic. But sometimes the issue is legal escape... is more fun too. :yes:

[LindaC781]

This thread is kinda like how my mind works...scary huh? lol

[Ashtanga]

This thread is kinda like how my mind works...scary huh? lol
:rofl::rofl::rofl:



People are missing out. Hmmm will have to sleep? lol! It is still early. The night not yet begun! lol! :D

[Moddie777]

Or she might be worried that she might have only that type of love because she is not understanding the great pull she is having towards him, knowing very well she doesn't even know him. She might be walking around everyday thinking, "What am I missing here? What is going on with me? What do I have to do with Michael Jackson?"

Moddie has said often that she feels MJ is actually "wooing" his lady friend to him. This sort of fits.


Thanks for remembering this queen g, you are an astute pupil.

Yes, Michael himself has admitted to us in song of his enormous will to get this special lady back in his life: Remember in the song "Butterflies", I pointed out a few months abck of how Michael sings " I can will you near to me". You won't hear it unless you turn the volume up really really high. He does say that indeed!!!!!!

Michael set everything in motion and "willed" her back to him, he had to have already known exactly who he WANTED in order for this to come into fruitation. This lady and this relationship to her is real to him, according to his own clues.

MP, I think you maybe on to something about the dreams,maybe dreams of her played a role in the very beginning of his union with his beloved. That could very well explain the deep spiritual connection we are picking up on. If this lady originally came to him in dreams way back when they first started then years later he meets her then loses her for whatever reason, only to will her back and have her to reappear in his life when he needed her most; would explain why he has continued singing and writting about her for years and years even through marriages.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I'd do more than hug, Michael...http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif


Me too!!!! :smilerolleyes:http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif)



:o Ladies, I am shocked!
You do not address the King of Pop in this fashion!:lol:

[Ashtanga]

:o Ladies, I am shocked!

Why are you shocked? lol! :smilerolleyes:

It's all his fault...http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif):wub:


You do not address the King of Pop in this fashion!:lol:

No? Just because he is shy? lol! I love when he is shy. lol! He is more beautiful still...:wub:

[LindaC781]

Why are you shocked? lol! :smilerolleyes:

It's all his fault...http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif):wub:



No? Just because he is shy? lol! I love when he is shy. lol! He is more beautiful still...:wub:


Heck! He was the one who said that to some fan who wanted a hug outside of his car once, didn't he? And I quote:

Fan: I want a hug Michael!
MJ: I'll do more than hug...or something like that!

Michael! And here we thought you were "shy"....yeah, right...:D:wild:

[Ashtanga]

Fan: I want a hug Michael!
MJ: I'll do more than hug...or something like that!


And the rest is private. lol! :wild: :censored:

Linda does not speak well of the King of Pop! Besides the hug, he would give an autograph. Just that! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/naughty_eyebrows.gif)





Michael! And here we thought you were "shy"....yeah, right...:D:wild:


I 'm shy. :angel: :D The King of Pop has nothing to shy. lol! :rofl:

[LindaC781]

And the rest is private. lol! :wild: :censored:







I 'm shy. :angel: :D The King of Pop has nothing to shy. lol! :rofl:


Yep. If Michael Jackson is "shy" then I'm the Queen of England..yeah right MJ...ssuuuureee you're "shy"...

[Ashtanga]

Yep. If Michael Jackson is "shy" then I'm the Queen of England..yeah right MJ...ssuuuureee you're "shy"...


Nice to meet you... Queen of England! lol! :rofl::rofl::rofl:


*Michael is not sad and not be angry with me and Linda. :no: It's all fun! :D We know that you are a gentleman...:wub::cheeky:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yes, Michael himself has admitted to us in song of his enormous will to get this special lady back in his life: Remember in the song "Butterflies", I pointed out a few months back of how Michael sings " I can will you near to me". You won't hear it unless you turn the volume up really really high. He does say that indeed!!!!!!

Michael set everything in motion and "willed" her back to him, he had to have already known exactly who he WANTED in order for this to come into fruitation. This lady and this relationship to her is real to him, according to his own clues.



Hmmm ... this is giving me goose pimples on my goose pimples!

It kind of reminds me of that movie, Somewhere in Time that takes place in 1972 and Christopher Reeve falls in love with a picture of an actress he sees on the wall of the hotel he's staying at who lived in 1912. Of course, there's "time travel" involved here, but anyways, he tries to "get back to her" so he sits in a room and puts himself under hypnosis and tries to "will" himself back to that time. It eventually worked! Of course that was just a movie, but I wonder if Michael does something similar.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Hmmm ... this is giving me goose pimples on my goose pimples!

It kind of reminds me of that movie, Somewhere in Time that takes place in 1972 and Christopher Reeve falls in love with a picture of an actress he sees on the wall of the hotel he's staying at who lived in 1912. Of course, there's "time travel" involved here, but anyways, he tries to "get back to her" so he sits in a room and puts himself under hypnosis and tries to "will" himself back to that time. It eventually worked! Of course that was just a movie, but I wonder if Michael does something similar.
Oh yeah! I remember that movie! He forgot he had that penny in his pocket, huh? Next thing ya know, he was back in the current year and he wanted to go back!
:wild:

You know, the Lord works in mysterious ways! I've often had things happen where I'm wondering about someone that I haven't spoken to on the phone in a long time and while I'm thinking about them, they'll call out of the clear blue sky!! I'd say, "Heyyyyyy!! I was just thinking about you!!" And they'll say, "Well, something told me to call!" LOL

That to me means God told them to call me. Whenever you hear someone say, "Something told me..." or "Something said..." that's "something" is God. Notice that, that something is always correct and no one can always be correct like that except God.

Actually, that is what I wanted to mention about the song "You Are Not Alone." In it there is the line that goes, "Something whispers in my ear and says..." I am starting to think that something is God and would explain why there is the line "I can hear your prayers. Your burdens I will bare."

:yes:

[Ashtanga]

I've often had things happen where I'm wondering about someone that I haven't spoken to on the phone in a long time and while I'm thinking about them, they'll call out of the clear blue sky!! I'd say, "Heyyyyyy!! I was just thinking about you!!" And they'll say, "Well, something told me to call!" LOL

That to me means God told them to call me. Whenever you hear someone say, "Something told me..." or "Something said..." that's "something" is God. Notice that, that something is always correct and no one can always be correct like that except God.

Actually, that is what I wanted to mention about the song "You Are Not Alone." In it there is the line that goes, "Something whispers in my ear and says..." I am starting to think that something is God and would explain why there is the line "I can hear your prayers. Your burdens I will bare."

:yes:



Hmmm very interesting. Yes, that "something" is God speaking to us through signs or messages. Like you, it happens to me sometimes too. It seems reading of thoughts. This is proof of how God is so close to us. He never leaves us alone. He is invisible, we do not see it, but we feel that through these signals often do not give attention and pass by us unnoticed. It is the life talking with us. As in "You Are Not Alone" ... in part: "Something Whispers in my ear and says ..." , God is breath, sending your message.



So many of the songs of Michael believe comes from God, why was he who gave Michael the special gift of a very beautiful show their emotions and feelings through their songs. Like his voice and his beautiful dance. So, God gave three gifts to Michael: show their emotions and feelings through music, the ability to dance and a beautiful voice. God is great coloborador Michael born to so many beautiful songs through its small signs and messages whispered in his ear and possibly through dreams. :)

[Renata]

So much news around here...

And I can see you're getting famous, my friend ashtanga... Haha! I'll have a famous friend!!!! :P

I was reading what MP wrote about the possibility of the girl not know that she's the one, because she may not remember the dreams..

Well, I think that even if she remember the dreams, it may be hard to believe for her. Because she's probabily just a fan, who loves Michael like many others... She may think it's just a fan like love, or even that she's crazy, delusional, for thiking that Michael is her soulmate! Think about it... if it was any of you girls, would you believe?

I can speak for myself... and I confess that every time my love for Michael gets too intense, I think "stop being crazy, you're just a fan".

I think any girl would do the same, unless the signs were very clear and irrefutable.

This girl will receive a big prize in her life but, by now, she may be going through hell... :(

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

And I can see you're getting famous, my friend ashtanga... Haha! I'll have a famous friend!!!! :P

Famous? lol! No, I am still just a fan that is anonymous and an unconditional admirer of Michael Jackson! :yes::D Maybe I am becoming famous here... is a good sign. lol! :D






Well, I think that even if she remember the dreams, it may be hard to believe for her. Because she's probabily just a fan, who loves Michael like many others... She may think it's just a fan like love, or even that she's crazy, delusional, for thiking that Michael is her soulmate! Think about it... if it was any of you girls, would you believe?

I can speak for myself... and I confess that every time my love for Michael gets too intense, I think "stop being crazy, you're just a fan".

I think any girl would do the same, unless the signs were very clear and irrefutable.

This girl will receive a big prize in her life but, by now, she may be going through hell... :(

If it was not me. I never believe. First the simple fact that Michael is the most famous celebrity on the planet and be surrounded by beautiful women and wonderful. He can have any woman he wants. But it is worth reinforcing the most important is that we have within the heart, that sometimes the packaging can mislead us. I think: "I love Michael, I'm not famous, I'm an anonymous and a simple unconditional fan!" But the heart of the people who do not choose love. Love just happens. If the right person, if it has to happen, God will make it happen. I believe that is not something impossible to Michael fall in love with a fan or even a non fan who know nothing about it. Sometimes I think that Michael should have a woman beside him anonymous, that was not famous. Someone with a life completely different from him that is opposite attract. He learned from it and learn it with him. It would be an exchange of experience of life completely different and it gives balance in relationship. And as you said would be a prize for this girl, but to hell because of dealing with this: being next to the most famous man in the world, losing out of anonymity and privacy and therefore it is a real sense, if it the unconditional love, if the two knew protect and take care of that love that could not go right?

My thoughts flew far. lol! :doh::wild: Sorry! :(

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I don't know all the Michael Jackson songs as well as all you girls I would guess...but I am trying to find this song where I remember lyrics that say something like, well, as if he can't escape her and he says, "you're even in my dreams."

Did I imagine that, or is there a song where he says this?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found the song. It took some work, but I went through a whole bunch of songs on allmichaeljackson.com. It's Fall Again, which was not written by MJ, so it really then doesn't support that he has seen his lady love in his dreams, but the line is: I can breathe, I can bleed, I can die in my sleep, Cause you’re always there in my dreams.


That's okay if he didn't write it because he said he doesn't sing it if he doesn't mean it.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

Heck! He was the one who said that to some fan who wanted a hug outside of his car once, didn't he? And I quote:

Fan: I want a hug Michael!
MJ: I'll do more than hug...or something like that!



yeh i bet he will do more than a hug!!! :lol:

[LindaC781]

Nice to meet you... Queen of England! lol! :rofl::rofl::rofl:


*Michael is not sad and not be angry with me and Linda. :no: It's all fun! :D We know that you are a gentleman...:wub::cheeky:


Yeah Mike....pls don't get mad...we just know you love us...:angel:

[Ashtanga]

Yeah Mike....pls don't get mad...we just know you love us...:angel:
:wub::angel:

[Renata]

Yes, I am. Thanks! I was embarrassed now... lol! :mello:




Hey, ashtanga, I don't wanna sound envious or anything like that... But did you say that it's YOU in your current avatar???

I found you very similar to our actress Cláudia Ohana and then I googled her, just for curiosity, and I found the pic in your avatar...

Here it goes:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9knUTtI84lo/SHpZvXRW2wI/AAAAAAAAAJk/uVUIIw2cmF8/s320/claudia+ohana.jpg

[Renata]

I just want to say I'm sorry for going off topic and creating an embarassing situation...

Please, lets go back to when we would give Michael more than a hug... Lol!

[Safira]

I just want to say I'm sorry for going off topic and creating an embarassing situation...

Please, lets go back to when we would give Michael more than a hug... Lol!

But still then Renata.. More than a hug? hmm.. I'm wondering..

you girls are absolutely TOO MUCH :lmao:
I hope your boyfriends/housbands doesent know about this thread :lol:

:sigh: Michael.. Must be a terrible feeling to be the man that all these married women dreams about.. :no: poor guy..

:rofl:

no I think it's too much for him some days..
but then he suddenly remember how hot we all are and then everything is fine right!! :wild:

[Renata]

^Hahahaa!

Good thing that we are hot, Safira! I loved it!

You know, by "more than a hug", I was meaning a hug and a letter... :smilerolleyes:

Oh well.. I don't have to worry! I'm single! :dancin:

[Safira]

Talking about those clips with fans and Michael.. I would rather be the fan in that video from a music/dvd store where Michael starts to sing and then the fans sing along and a girl sings it very well and Michael tells her something like "yes :yes: thats good!"

To have him aknowledge my song-skills :wild: that would be like.. SERIOUSLY!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA.....:head_bang:

:mello: sorry btt!!

[Ape]

Do you sing Safira? I think I'd have to pass him ear plugs before I'd break into song..lol. it might sound nice to my kids who just love everything I do, but to someone with a trained ear, it could be like fingernails on a chalkboard. lol.

(I'm single too..... but happily so for now, most the time)
But this thread is suggesting that Michael is otherwise.. (ei: not single). I wonder what his significant other thinks of the attention MJ gets from women. Probably just has to understand and accept it. It comes with his job.

[Safira]

Do you sing Safira? I think I'd have to pass him ear plugs before I'd break into song..lol. it might sound nice to my kids who just love everything I do, but to someone with a trained ear, it could be like fingernails on a chalkboard. lol.

(I'm single too..... but happily so for now, most the time)
But this thread is suggesting that Michael is otherwise.. (ei: not single). I wonder what his significant other thinks of the attention MJ gets from women. Probably just has to understand and accept it. It comes with his job.

yea I sing.. On a serious level kinda :)
Music is a big part of my identity!

Hmm I think that if there is a woman in Michaels life then she doesent accept the female fans drooling ^^ not by heart. Noone would!

She probably just looks the other way.. She doesent go into the thread "Michaels Manhood" thats for shure!! :lmao: Everyone in that thread is feeling bad about being there because they know that it's over the top :lol: So funny!!

[AllForMJ]

Thanks for remembering this queen g, you are an astute pupil.

Yes, Michael himself has admitted to us in song of his enormous will to get this special lady back in his life: Remember in the song "Butterflies", I pointed out a few months abck of how Michael sings " I can will you near to me". You won't hear it unless you turn the volume up really really high. He does say that indeed!!!!!!

Michael set everything in motion and "willed" her back to him, he had to have already known exactly who he WANTED in order for this to come into fruitation. This lady and this relationship to her is real to him, according to his own clues.

MP, I think you maybe on to something about the dreams,maybe dreams of her played a role in the very beginning of his union with his beloved. That could very well explain the deep spiritual connection we are picking up on. If this lady originally came to him in dreams way back when they first started then years later he meets her then loses her for whatever reason, only to will her back and have her to reappear in his life when he needed her most; would explain why he has continued singing and writting about her for years and years even through marriages.
You're right, Moddie777! He DID say "I can will you near to me" in "Butterflies!"

CD Cover:
All I gotta say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me, still I can feel you near me

MJ:
All I got to say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me. See, but I can will you near to me (1:40)

He surrrre did say that! That shows MJ will sometime tap into the spiritual side to get some things accomplished....

Annnnnd if he's finding himself being drawn to someone in a spiritual way, it makes things a little more interesting. It means having to look below the surface of things...look beyond what's trivial. It gives him a little more to do.

He is a very curious person and he's also very tenacious. It seems like he would get bored very quickly if something is too simple.

If his relationship with her is spiritual, he'll have to look deeper in order to get a feel of what they are going. Plus, he likes mystery.

:yes:

[Momma Shannon]

Hmm I think that if there is a woman in Michaels life then she doesent accept the female fans drooling ^^ not by heart. Noone would!

She probably just looks the other way.. She doesent go into the thread "Michaels Manhood" thats for shure!! :lmao: Everyone in that thread is feeling bad about being there because they know that it's over the top :lol: So funny!!

I think a woman in Michael's life would have to be the not jealous type. There's so much out there and girls always hugging and wanting from Michael. There has to be an acceptable balance especially if he's coming home to her at night/or...whenever :scratch:

The manhood thread is a trip and I think I'd have some serious adjusting to do if my hubby had threads made about him like that one or even this one.

I think it would be hard for Michael to find someone who can deal with all that and remain uneffected. My own thoughts would be he'd have to find a very strong woman.

[Ashtanga]

I think it would be hard for Michael to find someone who can deal with all that and remain uneffected. My own thoughts would be he'd have to find a very strong woman.

You're right. I also think like you. It would be great pressure on top of it, mainly from the press. But I believe that Michael is not impossible to find this woman very strong. For God nothing is impossible, everything is possible in this life and I'm sure he is working very hard for that to happen. In addition to our fans, God wants to see your son very happy with his true love. :yes::D

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

I think a woman in Michael's life would have to be the not jealous type. There's so much out there and girls always hugging and wanting from Michael. There has to be an acceptable balance especially if he's coming home to her at night/or...whenever :scratch:

The manhood thread is a trip and I think I'd have some serious adjusting to do if my hubby had threads made about him like that one or even this one.

I think it would be hard for Michael to find someone who can deal with all that and remain uneffected. My own thoughts would be he'd have to find a very strong woman.

^ yes, and a lot of course would seem to me, depend on how he is with "her" as well as "she" with him. As someone said, having women following him around does go with his job and he's handled it however he has for this long, so he's got a strategy that "she" would have to understand and he would have to help her manage her expectations about or they come to agreements or whatever. It seems that it could work as long as communication is continuously clear, and their relationship is uniquely close as partners in the whole thing, because I can imagine it could include still, some flirting which believe it or not, even for shy people, is very expedient for keeping aggressive people at bay or sometimes it could be expedient for mingling, at parties or with fans, especially when all fans really want is a little bit of reciprocity of feeling or to be able to feel he is giving them back some of the energy they are giving him, and by him being a "people-person" it could always remain a part of the routine so to speak.

Now, if "she" is a "people-person" too, very gragarious in fact, it could help I would imagine. Even with the pecks (kisses) to fans here and there, he is likely to at times feel, then, just as now, that that is what is called for at a given time - maybe to calm a hysterical fan down or any socially acceptable reasons "they" agree upon that he deems appropriate and sometimes necessary. I know couples who are both very socially gragarious people and have been together for many decades without those things being problems. They are usually in some business like the restaurant business or fashion retail or whatever, and understand eachothers' personalities.

I do feel that his perspective may be even more important than "hers" though because it is his business to have females around him, and his view of it all will set the tone for their relationship as he knows his business and she doesn't. It seems that as long as she is an truly understanding woman, and knows exactly what he's working with in terms of his actual job description, and is yes, very strong, it could be a good thing. And as long as "they" are first and foremost emotionally and spiritually intimate as partners in the matter of his career, and their relationship, and open and honest in expressing feelings, frustrations etc. because there are bound to be some, with the press, random people, fans, workers, advisors, family - just given what is all involved. That's why if they are spiritually intimate now, as this thread suggests, they may have a good head start on things.

Speaking of spiritual intimacy ..


You're right, Moddie777! He DID say "I can will you near to me" in "Butterflies!"

CD Cover:
All I gotta say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me, still I can feel you near me

MJ:
All I got to say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me. See, but I can will you near to me (1:40)

He surrrre did say that! That shows MJ will sometime tap into the spiritual side to get some things accomplished....

Annnnnd if he's finding himself being drawn to someone in a spiritual way, it makes things a little more interesting. It means having to look below the surface of things...look beyond what's trivial. It gives him a little more to do.

He is a very curious person and he's also very tenacious. It seems like he would get bored very quickly if something is too simple.

If his relationship with her is spiritual, he'll have to look deeper in order to get a feel of what they are going. Plus, he likes mystery.

:yes:

:lol: not sure why this made me laugh

well, ok so, in a nutshell ...

A few years ago, between 1999 and 2001 there was a woman living inside of an ordinary moment in her life when something whispered in her ear and told her to Google Michael Jackson - - ok so then, she would have found what - the Black or White website - so she went there - got what she needed of his 'energy' and went on with her life and the next thing she knew she heard One More Chance

aw :wub:

and now she's "somewhere out there" going absolutely bananas reading this thread :lol:

[cleopatra1975]

lol state of shock .. my guess is between 1998 ( cause he began to write beautiful girl at this time)and yes 2001...and maybe he is still thinking about her and she maybe realized thanks to this thread that he means her... i hope he gets into details with his new single or album... i hope he will give some hints so that we can guess more and more...

[Moddie777]

You're right, Moddie777! He DID say "I can will you near to me" in "Butterflies!"

CD Cover:
All I gotta say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me, still I can feel you near me

MJ:
All I got to say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me. See, but I can will you near to me (1:40)

He surrrre did say that! That shows MJ will sometime tap into the spiritual side to get some things accomplished....

Annnnnd if he's finding himself being drawn to someone in a spiritual way, it makes things a little more interesting. It means having to look below the surface of things...look beyond what's trivial. It gives him a little more to do.

He is a very curious person and he's also very tenacious. It seems like he would get bored very quickly if something is too simple.

If his relationship with her is spiritual, he'll have to look deeper in order to get a feel of what they are going. Plus, he likes mystery.

:yes:

Yep! Yep! Yep!

Thanks to mysteriousphoenix, I believe we have now firgured how just "How" these two lovebird"s story began...

[Safira]

Maybe it's just me, but if I was a celebrity I would not like guys constantly looking at me in that way, and the idea that men were out there daydremaing about me "in that way" would make me very uneasy. Now when I was a young girl and guys were obviously looking at me like that, I guess it was kind of flattering...but it didn't make me drawn to them at all, but it made me hope that one day when the right guy came into my life that "he" would find me attractive like that. I've always had tunnel vision, and have always only wanted one guy and that to be the right guy.

MJ has had girls drooling over him for decades. Don't you think even the flattering side of that by now has become at least somewhat deluted? But if he discovers, and may have already, that his lady love looks at him in this way...now that's different...he might just give a big jump up with his fist in the air and come down with it... yelling a mighty, "YES! She wants me! Yes, yes, yes!"

See the difference? And if he is like that, and she is like that, then she will not let all the fans' drooling over him get to her too much. Right? Like you say, it's just a part of the way things are due to his celebrity. It comes with it.


Yes but that was not what I was talking about!
I was talking about how she FELT about it. One thing is what you think. Logical. Love is not logical!
-Ofcourse love is different and maybe a lot more patient when you get past the "young" part of your life.
But being in love often makes people feel like teenagers inside.
Although they can handle the jalouxy on the outside, and tell themselves on the inside that nothing is going to happen, STILL theres an uncomfortable feeling when theres people who wants to be the no.1 for your man.

Just because he's a celeb, it doesent meen that her feelings are different. I don't think that true love is based on wether she is capable to not be jaloux about he's females fans or not. Maybe she's TOTALLY jaloux.

Theres no "I think she would have to be".
She is who she is, and people fall in love despite of everything.

Ofcourse Michael Jackson himself is living with it everyday. To him it's nothing more than everyday life. I think he finds it flattering at times, but mostly he's just living with it and not thinking about it so much.
and if theres a woman then ofcourse - sorry girls, but he could'nt care less about our flirty screaming or wanting to hug him..

Thats what I think :)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So, if in the song Butterflies he sings the word "will" instead of "feel", why do you think he didn't just have it that way in the written lyrics? Do you think he thought it would be too controversial or something?

[AllForMJ]

Oh me oh my, I have so many little things to say here. If I wasn't here posting I would be prepping a room to paint, so I think I'll put that off for a lttle longer...

Thing that gets me about his wanting a woman who is a challenge and is a mystery...well, you'd think with the way his life is and how difficult it is for him to trust someone that he would appreciate a woman who is rather honest, transparent and easy to read, so he knows quickly just what she's all about without any guessing games. Then trust can come easier. But....at the same time, if a woman is not a game player at all, and always herself and honest and real and doesn't like being crafty (which to be honest, he is at times)...wouldn't that bore him after about five minutes? Where's the challenge? Is the thing he needs the very thing that would be dull for him?

As far as MJ is concerned, God could hand cater a special unique situation for him that the average person would find absolutely UNBELIEVABLE. But no matter. God just loves His kids and wants to help. :D And He has every intention of bringing His purposes about. Isn't that a good thing?

(now should I go get a paintbrush and get going with my home improvement project, instead of all of this yada, yada, yada...haha)
Awwwwww, the thread is stopping you from painting? LOL

Well, on the mystery part...

MJ probably needed something interesting to put his mind on. Around the "Invincible" era he was very unhappy. He was feeling depressed. A deep thinking person that is deeply unhappy would spend a lot of time thinking about the things that they are unhappy about. Now if someone suddenly appears, as he mentioned in "You Are My Life," that would instantly be a mysterious occurrence.

If MJ found himself being attracted to this person, he would at first wonder why he is. Her being able to get his attention would be a mystery. Especially, if he's finding himself being willing to trust her after being unable to trust anyone for so long.

Plus, we must remember that the Lord works in mysterious ways. God's very presence is a mystery. If He's involved, and He's using her, she too will seem much like a mystery to MJ.

But, as long as she is not hurting him, and with him being a person that is very curious, he will look closer. He will take time feel her out. If he likes what he is noticing and it is interesting to him, he will have something else to put his mind on other than what was making him depressed.

In "One More Chance" he said he wants her to help him make the mystery unfold, so he isn't too bothered by it or he wouldn't be willing to search for her. God knew just how to move MJ along and help him shake off the blues.

:)

[Moddie777]

So, if in the song Butterflies he sings the word "will" instead of "feel", why do you think he didn't just have it that way in the written lyrics? Do you think he thought it would be too controversial or something?


Often are the times when Michael's cd lyrics do not match the words he is singing as you listen to a particular song on any given cd or album.

I used to think this was an error on the part of the person or persons who are repsonsible for typing up the lyrics for the artist but now it could be something totally different:

The same thing happens with the dvd of "who is it", those words typed at bottom of screen as you view the short film are NOT the exact same words in the dangerous booklet of the "who is it song". The dvd words to that song in particular add a very disturbing and more in depth layer to the song.

[SoS]

^ That's interesting. I wonder what you mean by 'disturbing' and in depth :unsure:

nvm, that might be asking too much

Its probably way too painful anyway if its any more painful than the song.

[Renata]

I think it's the way Michael works... He is very perfectionist and he not only sings the songs but he feels them, he lives the songs while singing... So it would mean that no work is done before the song is completey recorded. And maybe the lyrics on the cds booklets are printed before the end of the recording sessions or maybe nobody thinks the differeces are important enough to change what they'll print... Just a thought...

[Momma Shannon]

Often are the times when Michael's cd lyrics do not match the words he is singing as you listen to a particular song on any given cd or album.

I used to think this was an error on the part of the person or persons who are repsonsible for typing up the lyrics for the artist but now it could be something totally different:

The same thing happens with the dvd of "who is it", those words typed at bottom of screen as you view the short film are NOT the exact same words in the dangerous booklet of the "who is it song". The dvd words to that song in particular add a very disturbing and more in depth layer to the song.

There's lots of songs that have lil differences to them - never really thought too hard on why it was. Never paid attention to the words on who is it video either - now I'm gonna have to go look :yes:


I think it's the way Michael works... He is very perfectionist and he not only sings the songs but he feels them, he lives the songs while singing... So it would mean that no work is done before the song is completey recorded. And maybe the lyrics on the cds booklets are printed before the end of the recording sessions or maybe nobody thinks the differeces are important enough to change what they'll print... Just a thought...

That's possible I've often thought when he sings them in concert and he sings them differently it's more just how he feels at the time.

[Renata]

yea I sing.. On a serious level kinda :)
Music is a big part of my identity!

Hmm I think that if there is a woman in Michaels life then she doesent accept the female fans drooling ^^ not by heart. Noone would!

She probably just looks the other way.. She doesent go into the thread "Michaels Manhood" thats for shure!! :lmao: Everyone in that thread is feeling bad about being there because they know that it's over the top :lol: So funny!!


Talking about how the "chosen one" would have to deal with Michael's fans...

I think she would hve to be a self confident girl, and she would have to trust Michael and take his love seriously. If she believes in his love and if she knows she's good enough for him, why worry? Besides, this "fan thing" is just a fan thing... It's part of his job and, as important as it can be to him sometimes, this love doesn't get even near to the love he would have from his girl.

That's what I think...

And, if it was me, I'd probabily laugh til death reading the Michael's Manhood thread and I'd feel very proud of my man! Lol :rofl:

[LindaC781]

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[Renata]

There's lots of songs that have lil differences to them - never really thought too hard on why it was. Never paid attention to the words on who is it video either - now I'm gonna have to go look :yes:



That's possible I've often thought when he sings them in concert and he sings them differently it's more just how he feels at the time.

Exactly what I think.. :yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

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[LindaC781]

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[Renata]

^ Good work Linda! :)

[LindaC781]

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[AllForMJ]

It seems like she would have to find a way to accept it, because it is a big part of MJ's life. There will never be a time when someone doesn't want him. He is man that many women across the globe want to be with.

If you listen closely to the song "Dangerous," you will notice that it is about women sometimes not caring that he is with someone. In the first part of the song, a woman that is drop dead gorgeous walks into the room at a function. All the men, including him, are looking at her. She walks up to him and starts talking to him right in front of his woman. She didn't care at all that his woman was standing there with him. She totally disregarded her. She's telling him that he talked to her on the phone, she's trying to persuade him to leave with her, and she is saying all of this to him and doing all of this with his woman standing right there. His woman was so hurt by it, that she left crying. She left him standing there with the woman that had walked up to him in front of her.

Lyrics from Dangerous

The way she came into the place
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

Being MJ's woman is probably very hard because of him being someone that so many women want. The only way that the relationship could be a lasting one is if she is able to remember that he is a huge star and that there will never be a time that someone doesn't want him. It comes with the territory.

But, it will also take him doing certain things too. Although he will never want to make his female fans (famous or non-famous) feel like he doesn't care about them, he will still need to do certain things to show his woman that no one will ever be able to take him from her. It seems like it would be a bit of a challenge. It guess a lot of it would be his woman's ability to not sweat the small stuff, but sometimes I'm sure she will have to deal with extreme things as well. Still in all, she would have to try and give MJ the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, if we are paying close attention to what is being said in "Hold My Hand," he is already saying nothing will come between them.

Hold my hand
Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just
Hold my hand
Nothing can come between us
If you'll just hold, hold my, hold my hand

"Hold My Hand" is a song of reassurance. It has a promise in it.

I think there will probably be times where she'd be better off staying at home. It seems like some things will be good for her to attend, and some won't. But, as Momma Shannon mentioned, he'll go home to the woman that he loves.

MJ's woman will have to learn to trust MJ on this part of the relationship. Being trusted seems to be something that he's been wanting someone to do for a very long time. Notice that he gets very upset when he is not trusted.

And, MJ will have to make sure no one causes him to slip up. There will be times when he will come across women that do not want to take no for an answer and will push up on him. But at the same time, if many around him know that he is spoken for, those around him will know exactly why he's turning women down, even if they are drop dead gorgeous and have all the right things in all the right places.

He loves women a lot and because of that, he may not always be able to stop himself from wanting to look. But, if he's keeping in mind how long it took him to find a particular type of woman to have in his immediate life, when it comes to giving in to those trying to persuade him to spend the night with them, he'll say no can do. I can just hear MJ saying, "You look good, darling, I won't deny that. But, I dearly love the woman that I have and she was very hard to find."

[AllForMJ]

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[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

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[LindaC781]

It seems like she would have to find a way to accept it, because it is a big part of MJ's life. There will never be a time when someone doesn't want him. He is man that many women across the globe want to be with.

If you listen closely to the song "Dangerous," you will notice that it is about women sometimes not caring that he is with someone. In the first part of the song, a woman that is drop dead gorgeous walks into the room at a function. All the men, including him, are looking at her. She walks up to him and starts talking to him right in front of his woman. She didn't care at all that his woman was standing there with him. She totally disregarded her. She's telling him that he talked to her on the phone, she's trying to persuade him to leave with her, and she is saying all of this to him and doing all of this with his woman standing right there. His woman was so hurt by it, that she left crying. She left him standing there with the woman that had walked up to him in front of her.

Lyrics from Dangerous

The way she came into the place
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

Being MJ's woman is probably very hard because of him being someone that so many women want. The only way that the relationship could be a lasting one is if she is able to remember that he is a huge star and that there will never be a time that someone doesn't want him. It comes with the territory.

But, it will also take him doing certain things too. Although he will never want to make his female fans (famous or non-famous) feel like he doesn't care about them, he will still need to do certain things to show his woman that no one will ever be able to take him from her. It seems like it would be a bit of a challenge. It guess a lot of it would be his woman's ability to not sweat the small stuff, but sometimes I'm sure she will have to deal with extreme things as well. Still in all, she would have to try and give MJ the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, if we are paying close attention to what is being said in "Hold My Hand," he is already saying nothing will come between them.

Hold my hand
Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just
Hold my hand
Nothing can come between us
If you'll just hold, hold my, hold my hand

"Hold My Hand" is a song of reassurance. It has a promise in it.

I think there will probably be times where she'd be better off staying at home. It seems like some things will be good for her to attend, and some won't. But, as Momma Shannon mentioned, he'll go home to the woman that he loves.

MJ's woman will have to learn to trust MJ on this part of the relationship. Being trusted seems to be something that he's been wanting someone to do for a very long time. Notice that he gets very upset when he is not trusted.

And, MJ will have to make sure no one causes him to slip up. There will be times when he will come across women that do not want to take no for an answer and will push up on him. But at the same time, if many around him know that he is spoken for, those around him will know exactly why he's turning women down, even if they are drop dead gorgeous and have all the right things in all the right places.

He loves women a lot and because of that, he may not always be able to stop himself from wanting to look. But, if he's keeping in mind how long it took him to find a particular type of woman to have in his immediate life, when it comes to giving in to those trying to persuade him to spend the night with them, he'll say no can do. I can just hear MJ saying, "You look good, darling, I won't deny that. But, I dearly love the woman that I have and she was very hard to find."

Want to know what I think? Yeah, the woman needs to be strong to be with MJ.. but then again, after all MJ has gone through in his life, he probably needs to know that whoever he chooses to be with better be with him for him. Yeah, he probably has gorgeous women at his feet all the time...but like in that movie "Coming to America", Prince Akeem says "I want a woman that will arouse my intellect as well as my loins.".

And isn't that true for MJ? Doesn't he want a woman to arouse his intellect as well as his loins? Yeah, he could go off with some gorgeous stacked woman, but when all is said and done, will she stimulate him intellectually? Will she and he have a deep emotional, spiritual and intellectual bond that could transcend any other gorgeous woman that comes along? And hasn't he been through enough in his life to realize this?

Here's what I'm talking about...boy, this is classic...lol

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[AllForMJ]

Want to know what I think? Yeah, the woman needs to be strong to be with MJ.. but then again, after all MJ has gone through in his life, he probably needs to know that whoever he chooses to be with better be with him for him. Yeah, he probably has gorgeous women at his feet all the time...but like in that movie "Coming to America", Prince Akeem says "I want a woman that will arouse my intellect as well as my loins.".

And isn't that true for MJ? Doesn't he want a woman to arouse his intellect as well as his loins? Yeah, he could go off with some gorgeous stacked woman, but when all is said and done, will she stimulate him intellectually? Will she and he have a deep emotional, spiritual and intellectual bond that could transcend any other gorgeous woman that comes along? And hasn't he been through enough in his life to realize this?

Here's what I'm talking about...boy, this is classic...lol
Oh, I hear ya on that! It definitely would have taken more than looks to get him through that trial.

:yes:

[8701girl]

..........

[8701girl]

Oh, I hear ya on that! It definitely would have taken more than looks to get him through that trial.

:yes:


Yep for sure

[AllForMJ]

^^That was a great post up there, AllForMJ! You said and covered it all! :flowers: (good interpretation of Dangerous, also!)

Thanks, queen g. You know what's kinda funny? Until MimiK asked if we would look at the love songs in sequential order from "Off The Wall" on up the the "Thriller 25," I never really noticed just how much MJ mentioned things about his women. But, after looking at his love songs a little closer album by album, it simply looks like he started off with one woman that he loved very much and they stopped seeing each other for some reason (Off The Wall). He moved on and was looking for someone new. He started meeting other women. It should be expected that he would get with more than one during his search. It goes like that (Thriller). Along the way, he started thinking about marriage (Bad). He gets to one woman that he thinks he will settle down with and just when he's thinking he's found the right one and they could be tying the knot, she cut out on him with no explanation (Dangerous). Since he still wanted to get married, and also start a family, he eventually does. He gets married twice and one wife made him a father. But, since the marriages didn't work out either, he goes into a period where he's just feeling like crap about everything that was taking place in his life. (HIStory, Blood On The Dance Floor). Eventually, he starts coming out of the crappy feeling that he was going through and he's back to meeting new women, but it's not an easy start (Invincible). He later runs across a woman that lifts up his spirit and he starts feeling better about things. He opens his heart (Number Ones). He ends up going through something that he never knew was coming, but he's feeling loved and is therefore strong enough and ready for the fight (The Ultimate Collection). Now, the fight is behind him and he's telling the one that he's fallen in love with that he's happy she's around and he wants her to stay (Thriller 25).

He definitely was never thinking about the type of insanity that Sneddon and those others were trying to put him away for. There was no need for him to think the way that they were thinking, because there has never been a time when MJ didn't have an abundance of women to choose from. And, he would never want to anger God anyway. He loves God too much to anger Him with something like that. Furthermore, God would not have stepped in and brought the madness to a halt when MJ called on Him, if He (God) did not already know that MJ was innocent. God cannot be fooled. He is Alpha and Omega. The ones that He reprimanded are the ones that He felt were wrong in the matter. God reprimanded a long list of people.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:

[Safira]

I still dont like that "she would have to be like this and that"..

We can't speculate about how SHE is. We can speculate about what we think Michael WANTS.

[LindaC781]

AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:

I wish for that too SOS. Someone that can feel when he's sad, and someone that can feel when he is happy. I think we all feel for him in this thread....we can feel now that he is truly happy....

As far as others were talking about when Invincible came out, according to Wikipedia...

<table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 20em;"><tbody><tr><th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Released</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">October 30, 2001</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Recorded</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">October 1997 – June 2001</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Genre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">R&B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%26B), Pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music)/Rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music), Dance Pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_Pop), Adult Contemporary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_Contemporary), Urban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_contemporary)<sup id="cite_ref-Invincible_0-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_%28The_Michael_Jackson_song%29#cite_no te-Invincible-0)</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Length</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">77:08</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Label (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_label)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">Epic Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Records)
<small>EK-69400</small></td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Producer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">Michael Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson), Rodney Jerkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Jerkins), Teddy Riley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Riley_%28producer%29), Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_%22Babyface%22_Edmonds), R. Kelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Kelly), Dr. Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Freeze)</td></tr></tbody></table>
The "Number Ones" came out according to Wiki:

<table class="infobox vevent" style="width: 20em;"><tbody><tr><th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Released</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">November 18, 2003</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Recorded</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">1979 – 2003</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Genre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">Pop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music), R&B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_and_blues), rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music), new jack swing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_jack_swing), funk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk), soul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music)</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Length</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">79:01</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Label (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_label)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">Epic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Records)</td> </tr> <tr> <th scope="row" style="width: 5.2em; text-align: left;">Producer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer)</th> <td colspan="2" style="width: 14em;">Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Jones), Teddy Riley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Riley_%28producer%29), R. Kelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Kelly), Dr. Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Freeze) and others</td></tr></tbody></table>
So this really doesn't quite "nail down" a timeline - since the Number Ones spanned 1979 to 2003!! However, only one song came out in that album..."One More Chance"...

"One More Chance"

Uh huh alright
This time gonna do my best to make it right
Can't go on without you by my side
Hold on
Shelter come and rescue me out of this storm
And out of this cold I need someone
Oh why oh why why why
If you see her
tell her this from me
All I need is

One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(See)
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
(Alright)
One more chance at love

Searching for that one who is going to make me whole
Help me make these mysteries unfold
Hold on
Lightning about to strike in rain only on me
Hurt so bad sometimes it's hard to breathe
Oh why why
If you see her
Tell her this from me
All I need is

One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more chance for love)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love

And I would walk around this world to find her
And I don't care what it takes no
Why
I'd sail the seven seas to be near her
And if you happen to see her
See tell her this from me

One more chance at love
(Yeah, Yeah)
One more chance at love
(Tell her this from me)
One more chance at love
(Yeah, Yeah)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
(I can't find)
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
(Yeah one more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(For love)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Yeah I can't stop)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(I can't stop)
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
(Aaow)
One more chance at love
(I can't stop)
One more chance at love

So, he did find her, and he did see her at one point....but then he lost her. It looks to me like he would "sail the seven seas" looking for her....

[8701girl]

:D I love "one more chance"

Such a sweet song

[TialovesMJ]

Nice intereptation AllForMJ!

[AllForMJ]

^ So, AllforMJ, you might then, after your recent look over these songs on MimiK's list, be now thinking something like MysteriousPhoenix suggested, and that is that the woman he now loves came into the picture for the first time...post Dangerous, in fact, post Invincible (but pre Number Ones)? Do I have that right?
The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.


AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:
StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***

[LindaC781]

The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.


StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***

Wow. This is beautiful. It could be interpreted as being another person, but then again - maybe it's interpretation is that MJ has finally made peace with the most important person of all - himself?

[Ape]

The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.



I am not disagreeing with you at all, but because I wasn't around in 2002 I didn't get to see this. Is there a time in particular you are thinking of the smile? Isn't that when Blanket was born, in 2002? Could the smile have come from that as well? (I know it doesn't explain the love songs, but I don't know if it can be discounted..that very special event) I wondered if you have photos of his smile that you describe and if you could share them. Was it an instant thing where he went from a sad smile to the smile from the inside, or was it a gradual change?

also, maybe I'm out to lunch with my time line. I only remember things happening from after I came along into this MJ fan world and this was before my time...lol.

So.. 911 happened through his MSG performances (Sept 11 2001), then he released Invincible in October 2001, I guess he must have either been with someone or decided to have a baby during sometime along that time, then 9 months later sometime in 2002 Blanket would have been born? He was also dealing with the Sony/Matolla wars during this time? Then where does the Oxford speech come in ? Is it before or after or during the Bashir (sham of an) interview? Sometime in there was also the Virgin records signing? Could someone help me out with the timeline? Then I know after Bashir came the take two rebuttal interview. Then his Private Home Movies, then Number Ones and then the hellish false accusations and the arrest etc while he was making a new music film for One More Chance?

[Sdeidjs]

The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.


StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***

Quote: I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."

:angel:This is a definate favorite...Smiles~~~

[AllForMJ]

Wow. This is beautiful. It could be interpreted as being another person, but then again - maybe it's interpretation is that MJ has finally made peace with the most important person of all - himself?
That could seem likely IF the way he listed the tracks on his "Number Ones" CD in 2003 are ignored, and if the things that he's been doing and saying since then are also ignored.

The songs on his "Number Ones" CD are listed as follows:

1. Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough
2. Rock With You
3. Billie Jean
4. Beat It
5. Thriller
6. I Just Can't Stop Loving You
7. Bad
8. Smooth Criminal
9. The Way You Make Me Feel
10. Man In The Mirror
11. Dirty Diana
12. Black Or White
13. You Are Not Alone
14. Earth Song
15. You Rock My World
16. Break Of Dawn
17. One More Chance
18. Ben (Live)

All of the songs on his "Number Ones" CD are listed in chronological order except "Ben (Live") which should have been listed first. And, notice that "Ben (Live)" follows "One More Chance."

"Ben (Live)," although it is about a pet, it is out of sequence, and it is the only song listed that says, "I used to say I and me. Now it's us. Now it's we."

Also, the last song listed in "The Ultimate Collection" box set is "We've Had Enough." "We've Had Enough" follows "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me."

In addition to this, in "Hold My Hand" he said, "This life don't last forever. So, tell me what we're waiting for. We're better off being together, than being miserable alone. 'Cause I've been there before and you've been there before, but together we can be alright. 'Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold, we hold each other till we see the sunlight."

He's starting to say we and in "For All Time," which is the last song listed on "Thriller 25," he said, "...two hearts belong so well."

[summer]

I think a woman in Michael's life would have to be the not jealous type. There's so much out there and girls always hugging and wanting from Michael. There has to be an acceptable balance especially if he's coming home to her at night/or...whenever :scratch:

The manhood thread is a trip and I think I'd have some serious adjusting to do if my hubby had threads made about him like that one or even this one.

I think it would be hard for Michael to find someone who can deal with all that and remain uneffected. My own thoughts would be he'd have to find a very strong woman.


First, thanks guys that the thread got back on track. It's much nicer to read now. :yes:

And second, I'm just quoting MJJC Momma's post ,but others who replied to it had great points as well. I'm just too lazy to go through all posts again and quote everyone. :lol:

I think it would depend a lot from MJ's own behaviour, how jealous his "other half" would have to feel. I mean, the way he is now...where he hugs and kisses everyone and their mother and holds hands with everyone and all that....I don't think anyone would get jealous about that? Because, like I said, he does that with EVERYONE and it doesn't have any "special" meaning (as in...it's not like he's totally flirting with everyone). And even when he sometimes kind of "flirts" he isn't like "Hey baby, what cha doing tonight?" ;) *slaps girl's behind* If he were like THAT, I think that would be kind of hard to deal with for ANY girl who was with him, jealous type or not. You know, if you'd have to worry he is gonna ask all these girls out or is gonna have sex with them, that would drive anyone nuts. But what he does now, it's just more like "caring hugs and kisses" than "flirting", or anything like that. Then again...it's a completely different thing if he'd act how he acted with Lisa while married to Debbie. If I would have been Debbie, he would have been in MAJOR trouble and reading his divorce papers right away. :angry: :lol: (You know, kissing her on the mouth, etc.) So in my opinion a lot would depend on how MJ acts with the fans and other girls. Not so much how fans and other girls act with MJ. I mean, who cares if all the females are hitting on your boyfriend/husband, if he doesn't really "care" about it and doesn't "take an advantage" of all that? If you know you can trust him, who cares what the girls do. And if they do it in front of YOU in a very disrespctful way...well, if he has any respect for you, he'll make sure he lets them know he isn't interested or doesn't approve that. Celebrity or not.

Anyways...just my two cents.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

First, thanks guys that the thread got back on track. It's much nicer to read now. :yes:

And second, I'm just quoting MJJC Momma's post ,but others who replied to it had great points as well. I'm just too lazy to go through all posts again and quote everyone. :lol:

I think it would depend a lot from MJ's own behaviour, how jealous his "other half" would have to feel. I mean, the way he is now...where he hugs and kisses everyone and their mother and holds hands with everyone and all that....I don't think anyone would get jealous about that? Because, like I said, he does that with EVERYONE and it doesn't have any "special" meaning (as in...it's not like he's totally flirting with everyone). And even when he sometimes kind of "flirts" he isn't like "Hey baby, what cha doing tonight?" ;) *slaps girl's behind* If he were like THAT, I think that would be kind of hard to deal with for ANY girl who was with him, jealous type or not. You know, if you'd have to worry he is gonna ask all these girls out or is gonna have sex with them, that would drive anyone nuts. But what he does now, it's just more like "caring hugs and kisses" than "flirting", or anything like that. Then again...it's a completely different thing if he'd act how he acted with Lisa while married to Debbie. If I would have been Debbie, he would have been in MAJOR trouble and reading his divorce papers right away. :angry: :lol: (You know, kissing her on the mouth, etc.) So in my opinion a lot would depend on how MJ acts with the fans and other girls. Not so much how fans and other girls act with MJ. I mean, who cares if all the females are hitting on your boyfriend/husband, if he doesn't really "care" about it and doesn't "take an advantage" of all that? If you know you can trust him, who cares what the girls do. And if they do it in front of YOU in a very disrespctful way...well, if he has any respect for you, he'll make sure he lets them know he isn't interested or doesn't approve that. Celebrity or not.

Anyways...just my two cents.


Awwwwwwwwwwww beautiful post! Congratulations! :)

[Safira]

I see what you are saying, Safira. Just like we don't know MJ personally, we also do not know his lady friend personally and shouldn't be "speaking" for her.

I guess we know that, but get carried away. Will you be patient with us if we slip up in this way again?

You give us a good reminder, though. :yes: :)



And, Summer, good post! :flowers:

ofcourse! I think we all get carried away sometimes :)
I am just stating my view on things so please do not take it personal Queen G (or anyone else for that matter).

:cupid:

[Sdeidjs]

I think we are all doing a great job sharing our thoughts of individuality...

Keep it going...Love It..!

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth

[Manu Break of Dawn]

I was reminded that he likes Charlie Chaplin ... One intelligent man, and poet ... Michael Jackson and Chaplin: are gentleman, sensitive, loving and gentle with people ... Your talents are like magic in touch ... I love and admire the art of Michael and Claplin ... teachers are brilliant.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

I am not disagreeing with you at all, but because I wasn't around in 2002 I didn't get to see this. Is there a time in particular you are thinking of the smile? Isn't that when Blanket was born, in 2002? Could the smile have come from that as well? (I know it doesn't explain the love songs, but I don't know if it can be discounted..that very special event) I wondered if you have photos of his smile that you describe and if you could share them. Was it an instant thing where he went from a sad smile to the smile from the inside, or was it a gradual change?

also, maybe I'm out to lunch with my time line. I only remember things happening from after I came along into this MJ fan world and this was before my time...lol.

So.. 911 happened through his MSG performances (Sept 11 2001), then he released Invincible in October 2001, I guess he must have either been with someone or decided to have a baby during sometime along that time, then 9 months later sometime in 2002 Blanket would have been born? He was also dealing with the Sony/Matolla wars during this time? Then where does the Oxford speech come in ? Is it before or after or during the Bashir (sham of an) interview? Sometime in there was also the Virgin records signing? Could someone help me out with the timeline? Then I know after Bashir came the take two rebuttal interview. Then his Private Home Movies, then Number Ones and then the hellish false accusations and the arrest etc while he was making a new music film for One More Chance?
It was a gradual change. It started with a cute smile that showed he was in a fighting mood. LOL When I saw it, I was thinking, "Someone is about to get it!"

:lol:

[AllForMJ]

Wow, what a breakdown of all the events around that time, Ape. He had a lot on his plate there for awhile, poor guy. :(

Yeah, he surrrrre did! But the beautiful thing is...he made it through it all!
:wild:

God is good all the time!!

:yes: :D

Thank You, God! You are awesome and mighty!
:flowers:

[Ashtanga]

I was reminded that he likes Charlie Chaplin ... One intelligent man, and poet ... Michael Jackson and Chaplin: are gentleman, sensitive, loving and gentle with people ... Your talents are like magic in touch ... I love and admire the art of Michael and Claplin ... teachers are brilliant.


Welcome Manu! Remembered very well: Charlie Chaplin. An incredible and brilliant man and so Michael is a great admirer of the work of this man who also wrote beautiful things. Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination! :)

[Manu Break of Dawn]

Originalmente postado por Ashtanga:

Welcome Manu! Remembered very well: Charlie Chaplin. An incredible and brilliant man and so Michael is a great admirer of the work of this man who also wrote beautiful things. Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination!

Owwwwww...Ashantanga and Queen g Thank's...I agree: "Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination!" ...Side all..Perfect Sentence...Thank my friend's...I am happy here...Kisses

[Ashtanga]

I agree: "Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination!" ...Side all..Perfect Sentence...
Thanks!!! :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hmmm ... I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:
Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:


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Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...

[Ashtanga]

I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:


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Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...


Wow! :wild: This music is wonderful! That was more than a "Love is in the air..." :wub:lol! Now you have an inspiring muse? Hummmmm :smilerolleyes::wild:

[MJJChichi]

chaka !! love that !!

mike would kill that track if he did it !!

Michael !! Sing some CHaka for us on the next CD Heeheeeheeee that would rock my socks boiy :D

make my millenium and cover her ish ... Please ??????

love you man ... you have my heart :wub:

[8701girl]

heck yeh mj singing Chaka.........that would be awesome! :wild:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MJJChichi]

lawd how that man's voice has soothed me in times of great despair. I hope he finds it in his heart to do some dates in the USA after the london gigs are over and he has had a chance to rest a little.

I know how he reallydoesn't care to tour but ... to see him once again...in person. When I saw him last in 2001 i was not really a fan. It was after the shows and the events of 911 that I became fully aware of the beauty of Michael. The love and compassion of his fans embraced me in a time of great loss and pain. He was there to comfort me with his songs. The memories that i had shared through Michael his music and the lasting memories that bonded me to the ones I lost. The people that reached out to me, they showed me what i had not seen in michael's message before.

I made it through that dark time in my life with the help of Michael and his loving fans. It sounds sappy and corny but it is what it is. I will forever be in debt to him for what he has given me.

wow, i need to go to bed. I am soooo rambling on and on :doh: let me shut up now Heehee

take care people and be kind to one another :wub:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Awww, yes, thanks so much for sharing your story, MJJChichi. That was really beautiful!

And yes, queen g, I do believe both MJ and his "lady friend" have been through a kind of "Baptism by Fire", so to speak!

[Ape]

It's nice and sweet and relaxing in here tonight. :) Warm

[mjintegrity]

Wow! :wild: This music is wonderful! That was more than a "Love is in the air..." :wub:lol! Now you have an inspiring muse? Hummmmm :smilerolleyes::wild:

i say! ahsuahus wonderful, with all words! ^^

[Ashtanga]

i say! ahsuahus wonderful, with all words! ^^
Thanks! :)

[LindaC781]

Hmmm ... I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:
Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:


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Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...

Aw Man MP - that's yet another one of my favorite songs!! Love it!! Thanks for posting!

[Sdeidjs]

In my opinion, Mr.Jackson and his sweetheart have been together for a very long time...Like some have mentioned...maybe not in body...but have always been there for each other despite all their trials, tribulations, frustrations, and through all doubts...

There seems to be something truly unique about the very precious, and most beautiful connection that the two of them seem have...

Like a force that has "so much power" that only God could have brought these two souls together...

:angel:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPTDU40hO4

I think if in fact Mr.Jackson and his sweetheart found the "one" that they have been searching a lifetime for , the "two" of them will "only" have eyes, heart, body, and soul for each other..!

I know if I was his sweetheart, that's all I would ever care about...:wub:

[Safira]

In my opinion, Mr.Jackson and his sweetheart have been together for a very long time...Like some have mentioned...maybe not in body...but have always been there for each other despite all their trials, tribulations, frustrations, and through all doubts...

There seems to be something truly unique about the very precious, and most beautiful connection that the two of them seem have...

Like a force that has "so much power" that only God could have brought these two souls together...

:angel:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPTDU40hO4

I think if in fact Mr.Jackson and his sweetheart found the "one" that they has been searching a lifetime for , the "two" of them will "only" have eyes, heart, body, and soul for each other..!

I know if I was his sweetheart, that's all I would ever care about...:wub:

Oh my.. I'm going crazy everytime I see that video!!
:wild::wild::wild::wild::wild::wild:
:head_bang:
...
Ok I'm back to normal..

But why, if I may ask, do you think that they share such a heavenly bond? Do you think that the bond Michael share with he's love is more heavenly that the bond that other couples share?
And if you think so - why do think that?

Sorry if I'm always asking boring questions :lol:

[Ashtanga]

Sdeidjs...Beautiful words! A beautiful post! Congratulations! :)

[Lily]

I have so much reading to catch up on in this thread :blink: :lol:

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

I have so much reading to catch up on in this thread :blink: :lol:

:popcorn:


Welcome! lol! I see that you came well prepared: you have the popcorn! lol! :)

[Sdeidjs]

Oh my.. I'm going crazy everytime I see that video!!
:wild::wild::wild::wild::wild::wild:
:head_bang:
...
Ok I'm back to normal..

But why, if I may ask, do you think that they share such a heavenly bond? Do you think that the bond Michael share with he's love is more heavenly that the bond that other couples share?
And if you think so - why do think that?

Sorry if I'm always asking boring questions :lol:

I love that tune as well...

To answer your inquiries, in my opinion...

Why?
When Mr.Jackson and his sweetheart look at that man/woman in the mirror, the reflection of I...becomes WE...

Bond IS Heavenly?

When one (s) have "always" had God by their side...there will be no stopping them..!

Check It Out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVPH4Rmq8k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAV8q6Bjls


:angel:Heal the World~~~Education Is The Key

[Ohood]

during the making if invincible Michael wanted to date -Katie Couric- but she said that she is dating someone else !
He said that he likes this type of women .

[AllForMJ]

during the making if invincible Michael wanted to date -Katie Couric- but she said that she is dating someone else !
He said that he likes this type of women .
Hmmmmm, I don't remember hearing about that. I do remember MJ saying this back during the Invincible era:

"With two children of my own, I know what it means to balance the demands of family and career - and let's not even talk about finding a date for myself. Rabbi Shmuley keeps telling me he'll find me the perfect woman. My response is, 'As long as she's not a journalist'."

It seems very odd for him to want to date Katie Couric and also say the above around the same time about dating a journalist.

[Ohood]

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach said this in his interview with Howard Stern.

[Ashtanga]

"With two children of my own, I know what it means to balance the demands of family and career - and let's not even talk about finding a date for myself. Rabbi Shmuley keeps telling me he'll find me the perfect woman. My response is, 'As long as she's not a journalist'."

It seems very odd for him to want to date Katie Couric and also say the above around the same time about dating a journalist.



What is the problem with being a journalist? lol! People are not equal. The fact that journalist does not mean that it would be a bad person, provided that no part of the press and brown sensationalist tabloids and journalist and is a serious and honest person with his work, is approved! Recalling that opposites attract if... why not say that Michael! You can still dating a journalist! lol! :yes:
(http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR)

[AllForMJ]

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach said this in his interview with Howard Stern.
Ohhhhhhhhh, Rabbi Shmuley said that. Maybe the Rabbi tried to set MJ up on a date with her and she said that to the Rabbi. Maybe that's also why MJ said his response to the Rabbi was "As long as she's not a journalist."

When you think about it...it would be a rrrrrrreally scary and bold move to date a female journalist. It seems like a female journalist would sell him out quicker than anybody else as soon as her boss starts asking her how much money she wants.

[AllForMJ]

What is the problem with being a journalist? lol! People are not equal. The fact that journalist does not mean that it would be a bad person, provided that no part of the press and brown sensationalist tabloids and journalist and is a serious and honest person with his work, is approved! Recalling that opposites attract if... why not say that Michael! You can still dating a journalist! lol! :yes:
(http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR)
So many journalists have worked around the clock to turn his life upside down that he's afraid of the women in that field. Now that Martin Bashir has taken him through the ringer by twisting things after MJ allowed him to come into his life to do a documentary, MJ is probably even more afraid of female journalists than ever. Some may not be the type that would pull a Martin Bashir stunt, but how can MJ tell? It seems like in the back of his mind he will always wonder when the tell-all book is coming with the female journalist as the author.

...although almost half the book will probably be about how MJ rocked her world!
:lol:

[mystygrl]

Hmmmmm, I don't remember hearing about that. I do remember MJ saying this back during the Invincible era:

"With two children of my own, I know what it means to balance the demands of family and career - and let's not even talk about finding a date for myself. Rabbi Shmuley keeps telling me he'll find me the perfect woman. My response is, 'As long as she's not a journalist'."

It seems very odd for him to want to date Katie Couric and also say the above around the same time about dating a journalist.

You are absolutely correct regarding the statement MJ made during his New York speech at Carnegie Hall in 2001 where he launched his 'Heal The Kids' campaign. Proof is provided in the link below along with captions. Also, you can easily notice that his demeanor and delivery is one of sadness. In addition, if you listen closely, you can hear the whispers about him looking sad and someone states, "he's crying". NOTE: THIS IS THE YEAR 2001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hPA0z27uk


Now, I must read backwards in order to play catch up. :D

[Ashtanga]

So many journalists have worked around the clock to turn his life upside down that he's afraid of the women in that field. Now that Martin Bashir has taken him through the ringer by twisting things after MJ allowed him to come into his life to do a documentary, MJ is probably even more afraid of female journalists than ever. Some may not be the type that would pull a Martin Bashir stunt, but how can MJ tell? It seems like in the back of his mind he will always wonder when the tell-all book is coming with the female journalist as the author.

...although almost half the book will probably be about how MJ rocked her world!
:lol:


It is the fault of the Bashir! :( If "it" had not happened maybe Michael did not have this "fear" of journalists, especially if a woman. But I believe there are still honest journalists who do their work without decent shape and want to tarnish the image down the other. :yes:

[Ape]

You are absolutely correct regarding the statement MJ made during his New York speech at Carnegie Hall in 2001 where he launched his 'Heal The Kids' campaign. Proof is provided in the link below along with captions. Also, you can easily notice that his demeanor and delivery is one of sadness. In addition, if you listen closely, you can hear the whispers about him looking sad and someone states, "he's crying". NOTE: THIS IS THE YEAR 2001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hPA0z27uk


Now, I must read backwards in order to play catch up. :D


It's really sad. .. well two things. One is that there is a need for what he is saying to be heard because there is truth in what he's saying, which in and of itself is a tragedy. Two that what he is saying is not getting heard because he is the King of Pop. It's such an important message and all you can hear are whispers about how close they are able to get the camera and then the inappropriate (and disrespectful in my opinion) shouts of "I LOVE YOU MICHAEL". Well if you love him so friken much, why don't you find importance in what he's saying? Why not hear what is on his heart that is making him cry instead of shouting at him at inappropriate times? Why can't they control themselves to listen to what he has to say?

If a person were in a relationship with someone and any time they had something important to say and share that was close to their heart, and their spouse would interrupt and shout that they love them during the time they are pouring their heart out,making it obvious that what they are saying is going right over the others head because they aren't really listening, wouldn't it frustrate the person trying to share? Poor Michael, always loved but never heard. It must be so frustrating.

(sorry for being angry about this towards fellow fans but it just really frustrates me for his sake)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

It is the fault of the Bashir! :( If "it" had not happened maybe Michael did not have this "fear" of journalists, especially if a woman. But I believe there are still honest journalists who do their work without decent shape and want to tarnish the image down the other. :yes:
MJ made his comment in 2001 about not dating female journalists. Now that he's been through that mess that Bashir set up for him, he's probably more leery than ever.

There probably are some female journalists that love him very much. He's an awesome guy. But, that's what he said about dating women that are journalists.

[Ashtanga]

MJ made his comment in 2001 about not dating female journalists. Now that he's been through that mess that Bashir set up for him, he's probably more leery than ever.

There probably are some female journalists that love him very much. He's an awesome guy. But, that's what he said.


So I think Michael would want to move away from me! lol! :wild: Why I will train in journalism! :(:doh:

[Ape]

I watched the video, and yes, that part was disappointing.

This is just something to think about that can help one personally with this type of frustration.

I, of course, have no idea if MJ does this, but whenever I am throwing something out there, whatever that might be...artwork, my thoughts, whatever... (and the best example would probably be in my case "online," like in a post, but this principle carries over to my offline life, as well)... I say this prayer, "God, whoever is supposed to see this or hear this let that be, and whoever is not supposed to or who doesn't, I give over to you."

If God was prompting MJ to give that speech, it was MJ's responsibility to be faithful in that...and it is God's responsibility for those He wants to receive something from it, to receive something from it. It is freeing for an individual to see it in this way.

And then girl fans out there behaving in such a way can be looked at as "oh well, that's where those girls are at." But what matters is MJ obeyed God and gave his speech.

Just a perspective I thought I'd share with ya, Ape. :hug: I understand, though. I was tempted to strangle those girls! :lol: (they kept me from hearing at times)

Thank you queen g, that really does help. They are where they are at I guess. I don't have to be upset that they were only there to see MJ and not to hear what he had to say. Who's to say it didn't sink in what he was saying once they watched it again after, whomever was there and screaming out their adoration for him. Maybe those same girls who did that, are out there working toward realizing his vision.

Could be I just need sleep. I just felt frustration for him as you can tell it means so much to him, this topic, and might have been upsetting for it to be taken so seemingly lightly by some who were there.

It must really bother him how much it gets in his way sometimes (his fame). Though could also open many doors that wouldn't otherwise be opened. So it's a double sided blessing (is that the term?). Good and bad?

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

Great post ape

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs...Beautiful words! A beautiful post! Congratulations! :)


Thank for all your kindness...Just me being me...

:angel:Keep helping to Heal the World~~~

[Sdeidjs]

during the making if invincible Michael wanted to date -Katie Couric- but she said that she is dating someone else !
He said that he likes this type of women .


Oooookay...

[Ape]

Thank you queen g and 8701girl :) (I wonder if I got the numbers right..I didnt look)

[Safira]

You are absolutely correct regarding the statement MJ made during his New York speech at Carnegie Hall in 2001 where he launched his 'Heal The Kids' campaign. Proof is provided in the link below along with captions. Also, you can easily notice that his demeanor and delivery is one of sadness. In addition, if you listen closely, you can hear the whispers about him looking sad and someone states, "he's crying". NOTE: THIS IS THE YEAR 2001


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__hPA0z27uk



Now, I must read backwards in order to play catch up. :D


*stunned(in a good way) -listening very closely to the words of the speech..* I love Michael Jacksons speeches. Always so poetic and truth-speaking! He sees the world through opened eyes, and understands what really matters to us in this world!
:angel:

To Ashatanga
You where clearly a little disapointed because of the supposed statement "as long as she's not a journalist".
Firstly I absolutely think that the comment was mostly a "joke".
I am very shure that if Michael ever met a woman that he liked and she was a journalist, it would NOT meen the doom for the relationship.

It's just something he's kidding with because he's very bitter to the whole media-world. (I think)He's got an emotion of anger/hurt/bitterness inside, towards these people so whenever he think of them he probably feels like: :throwingstones
Although ofcourse he's not judging all journalists in the world..
It's a very normal reaction-pattern :yes:

[Love.him]

I agree with both your ways of seeing the interruptions, Ape & queen g. I also think that some of the fans mean the interruptions as a way of giving Michael encouragement because one of the times in which they do it is when he cries.

[8701girl]

:) (I wonder if I got the numbers right..I didnt look)


U meant my username?
Yes u got the numbers right

[Ashtanga]

To Ashatanga
You where clearly a little disapointed because of the supposed statement "as long as she's not a journalist".
Firstly I absolutely think that the comment was mostly a "joke".
I am very shure that if Michael ever met a woman that he liked and she was a journalist, it would NOT meen the doom for the relationship.

It's just something he's kidding with because he's very bitter to the whole media-world. (I think)He's got an emotion of anger/hurt/bitterness inside, towards these people so whenever he think of them he probably feels like: :throwingstones
Although ofcourse he's not judging all journalists in the world..
It's a very normal reaction-pattern :yes:

I agree with what you said. The press has always been so cruel to him it is natural that he has this thought. But I think there in the background and he has a bit of "fear" of journalists after the terrible experience with Bashir. Clearly, not all journalists in the world, there are exceptions (still!). There are excellent journalists who do their work honestly.

But I'm scared of a day pass close to Michael! lol! :(:wild:

P.S. Your cat is beautiful! :yes::wild: I love cats! :wub:

[Love.him]

I see your point as well, Safira. He might feel comfortable with a journalist whose work he respects. Maybe someone like Soledad O'Brien on CNN. I think she might be married but someone like her seems like a nice person who would treat him fairly.

[Poefiend]

Hmmmm ........

[Ape]

I agree with both your ways of seeing the interruptions, Ape & queen g. I also think that some of the fans mean the interruptions as a way of giving Michael encouragement because one of the times in which they do it is when he cries.I hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you for explaining that. I stopped watching it after that first time because it felt so inappropriate to me, but I am still unfamiliar with all that and the reasons. I hope it was encouraging for him then. I watched the rest this morning and the end was cute. I guess the fact that they heard him mention that about dating means they did hear him despite it seeming otherwise. (this is why it's important not to judge despite how something looks *I remind myself*)

Has "Heal the Kids" been left alone for now? I am sure it is still an important issue for him, and we probably can't know if he still has plans for this but did anything at all come out of this foundation? I guess it would have been around when he was getting Invincible ready and the Madison Square Garden shows and when 911 happened, and his son being born sometime in there? Or maybe that was a while after. Still would love to see a timeline some day to straighten it all out in my head.

[LindaC781]

Awww, yes, thanks so much for sharing your story, MJJChichi. That was really beautiful!

And yes, queen g, I do believe both MJ and his "lady friend" have been through a kind of "Baptism by Fire", so to speak!

I love the bible quote you use as a signature, MP...

From: http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=46&c=15
Commentary on 1 Corinthians 15:51-58

(Read 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 (http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=1+Corinthians+15%3A51%2D58))
All the saints should not die, but all would be changed. In the gospel, many truths, before hidden in mystery, are made known. Death never shall appear in the regions to which our Lord will bear his risen saints. Therefore let us seek the full assurance of faith and hope, that in the midst of pain, and in the prospect of death, we may think calmly on the horrors of the tomb; assured that our bodies will there sleep, and in the mean time our souls will be present with the Redeemer. Sin gives death all its hurtful power. The sting of death is sin; but Christ, by dying, has taken out this sting; he has made atonement for sin, he has obtained remission of it. The strength of sin is the law. None can answer its demands, endure its curse, or do away his own transgressions. Hence terror and anguish. And hence death is terrible to the unbelieving and the impenitent. Death may seize a believer, but it cannot hold him in its power. How many springs of joy to the saints, and of thanksgiving to God, are opened by the death and resurrection, the sufferings and conquests of the Redeemer! In verse 58 (http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=1+Corinthians+1%3A58), we have an exhortation, that believers should be stedfast, firm in the faith of that gospel which the apostle preached, and they received. Also, to be unmovable in their hope and expectation of this great privilege, of being raised incorruptible and immortal. And to abound in the work of the Lord, always doing the Lord's service, and obeying the Lord's commands. May Christ give us faith, and increase our faith, that we may not only be safe, but joyful and triumphant.

From: http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?b=46&c=15&com=drby

Take especial notice of what has just been said. Death is entirely conquered-annulled in its power-for the Christian. He possesses a life (Christ risen), which sets him above death, not perhaps physically, but morally. It has lost all its power over his soul, as the fruit of sin and judgment. It is so entirely conquered, that there are some who will not die at all. All Christians have Christ for their life. If He is absent, and if He does not return-as will be the case as long as He sits on His Father's throne, and our life is hid with Him in God-we undergo death physically according to the sentence of God; that is to say, the soul is separated from the mortal body. When He shall return and exercise His power, having risen up from the Father's throne to take His people to Himself before He exercises judgment, death has no power at all over them: they do not pass through it. That the others are raised from the dead is a proof of power altogether divine, and more glorious even than that which created man from the dust. That the living are changed proves a perfection of accomplished redemption, and a power of life in Christ which had left no trace, no remains, of the judgment of God as to them, nor of the power of the enemy, nor of the thraldom of man to the consequences of his sin. In place of all that, is an exercise of divine power, which manifests itself in the absolute, complete, and eternal deliverance of the poor guilty creature who before was under it-a deliverance that has its perfect manifestation in the glory of Christ, for He had subjected Himself in grace to the condition of man under death for sin; so that to faith it is always certain, and accomplished in His Person. But the resurrection of the dead and the change of the living will be its actual accomplishment for all who are His, at His coming. What a glorious deliverance is that which is wrought by the resurrection of Christ, who-sin entirely blotted out, righteousness divinely glorified and made good, Satan's power destroyed-transports us by virtue of an eternal redemption, and by the power of a life which has abolished death, into an entirely new sphere, where evil cannot come, nor any of its consequences, and where the favour of God in glory shines upon us perfectly and for ever! It is that which Christ has won for us according to the eternal love of God our Father, who gave Him to us to be our Saviour.
At an unexpected moment we shall enter into this scene, ordained by the Father, prepared by Jesus. The power of God will accomplish this change in an instant: the dead shall rise, we shall be changed. The last trumpet is but a military allusion, as it appears to me, when the whole troop wait for the last signal to set out all together.
In the quotation from Isaiah 25:8 we have a remarkable application of scripture. Here it is only the fact that death is thus swallowed up in victory, for which the passage is quoted; but the comparison with Isaiah shews us that it will be, not at the end of the world, but at a period when, by the establishment of the kingdom of God in Zion, the veil, under which the heathen have dwelt in ignorance and darkness, shall be taken off their face. The whole earth shall be enlightened, I do not say at the moment, but at the period. But this certainty of the destruction of death procures us a present confidence, although death still exists. Death has lost its sting, the grave its victory. All is changed by the grace which, at the end, will bring in this triumph. But meantime, by revealing to us the favour of God who bestows it, and the accomplishment of the redemption which is its basis, it has completely changed the character of death. Death, to the believer who must pass through it, is only leaving that which is mortal; it no longer bears the terror of God's judgment, nor that of the power of Satan. Christ has gone into it and borne it and taken it away totally and for ever. Nor that only,-He has taken its source away. It was sin which sharpened and envenomed that sting. It was the law which, presenting to the conscience exact righteousness, and the judgment of God which required the accomplishment of that law, and pronounced a curse on those who failed in it,-it was the law which gave sin its force to the conscience, and made death doubly formidable. But Christ was made sin, and bore the curse of the law, being made a curse for His own who were under the law; and thus, while glorifying God perfectly with regard to sin, and to the law in its most absolute requirements, He has completely delivered us from the one and the other, and, at the same time, from the power of death, out of which He came victorious. All that death can do to us is to take us out of the scene in which it exercises its power, to bring us into that in which it has none. God, the Author of these counsels of grace, in whom is the power that accomplishes them, has given us this deliverance by Jesus Christ our Lord. Instead of fearing death, we render thanks to Him who has given us the victory by Jesus. The great result is to be with Jesus and like Jesus, and to see Him as He is. Meanwhile we labour in the scene where death exercises its power-where Satan uses it, if God allows him, to stop us in our way. We labour although there are difficulties, with entire confidence, knowing what will be the infallible result. The path may be beset by the enemy; the end will be the fruit of the counsels and the power of our God, exercised on our behalf according to that which we have seen in Jesus, who is the Head and the manifestation of the glory which His own shall enjoy.
To sum up what has been said, we see the two things in Christ: firstly, power over all things, death included; He raises up even the wicked: and secondly, the association of His own with Himself. With reference therefore to the latter, the apostle directs our eyes to the resurrection of Christ Himself. He not only raises up others, but He has been raised up Himself from the dead. He is the first-fruits of them that sleep. But before His resurrection He died for our sins. All that separated us from God is entirely put away-death, the wrath of God, the power of Satan, sin, disappear, as far as we are concerned, in virtue of the work of Christ; and He is made to us that righteousness which is our title to heavenly glory. Nothing remains of that which appertained to His former human estate, except the everlasting favour of God who brought Him there. Thus it is a resurrection from among the dead by the power of God in virtue of that favour, because He was the delight of God, and in His exaltation His righteousness is accomplished.
For us it is a resurrection founded on redemption, and which we enjoy even now in thepower of a life, which brings the effect and the strength of both into our hearts, enlightened by the Holy Ghost who is given to us. At the coming of Christ the accomplishment will take place in fact for our bodies.
With regard to practice, the assembly at Corinth was in a very poor condition; and being asleep as to righteousness, the enemy sought to lead them astray as to faith also. Nevertheless, as a body, they kept the foundation; and as to external spiritual power, it shone very brightly.

[Safira]

I agree with what you said. The press has always been so cruel to him it is natural that he has this thought. But I think there in the background and he has a bit of "fear" of journalists after the terrible experience with Bashir. Clearly, not all journalists in the world, there are exceptions (still!). There are excellent journalists who do their work honestly.






But I'm scared of a day pass close to Michael! lol! :(:wild:



P.S. Your cat is beautiful! :yes::wild: I love cats! :wub:


Well.. I don't think he has a "fear" for them. Because after bashir he now know what can happen. He know the worst of things.
He know where the limit goes and he has learned a great deal about how to handle the press. He's also doing a lot to not end up in a similar situation again.

And thank you for the nice words about my cat :D yes he's adorable.. I thought of naming him Michael Jackson :lol: my boyfriend did'nt like it so much though :lol:

Could you imagine me hanging out from the window screaming for my cat "MICHAEL JACKSOOOON!!" people would be like "wtf is wrong with that girl.." :lol:

I see your point as well, Safira. He might feel comfortable with a journalist whose work he respects. Maybe someone like Soledad O'Brien on CNN. I think she might be married but someone like her seems like a nice person who would treat him fairly.
I think when it comes to interviews that he's always sceptic though.

[AllForMJ]

Something to notice about the comment that MJ made in 2001 where he mentioned dating...

It shows that he was indeed starting his love life over around the "Invincible" era.

The Rabbi thought he would play a key role in finding MJ the perfect woman during that period in time, but due to all the drama that occurred, MJ ended up not even being on speaking terms with the Rabbi.

If MJ is releasing songs about being in love and the first newly recorded love song that he released was in 2003, then the Rabbi did not get a chance to find MJ the type of woman that he wanted to match MJ up with. MJ found someone without the Rabbi's involvement.

The one involved in MJ meeting someone is much higher than the Rabbi. It is the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being did not make an announcement or go around doing interviews to let others know what He was working on. He simply brought it all into existence and His timing was impeccable.

The Rabbi never would have been able to do what the Supreme Being did because the Rabbi does not have the power to control time or see into the future. The Rabbi has been very loud and obnoxious all while getting nowhere at all with MJ. In addition to this, the Rabbi took part in bringing grief into MJ’s life.

The Supreme Being, while working without making any announcements at all, brought forth great victory in multiple areas of MJ's life and the Rabbi gets no glory.

[summer]

It's really sad. .. well two things. One is that there is a need for what he is saying to be heard because there is truth in what he's saying, which in and of itself is a tragedy. Two that what he is saying is not getting heard because he is the King of Pop. It's such an important message and all you can hear are whispers about how close they are able to get the camera and then the inappropriate (and disrespectful in my opinion) shouts of "I LOVE YOU MICHAEL". Well if you love him so friken much, why don't you find importance in what he's saying? Why not hear what is on his heart that is making him cry instead of shouting at him at inappropriate times? Why can't they control themselves to listen to what he has to say?

If a person were in a relationship with someone and any time they had something important to say and share that was close to their heart, and their spouse would interrupt and shout that they love them during the time they are pouring their heart out,making it obvious that what they are saying is going right over the others head because they aren't really listening, wouldn't it frustrate the person trying to share? Poor Michael, always loved but never heard. It must be so frustrating.

(sorry for being angry about this towards fellow fans but it just really frustrates me for his sake)


Ape that was my thought exactly when I watched the video. It was kind of "sad" to watch in a way. MJ was "pouring his heart out"...and then you have these girls zooming in and out on him and giggling and going "look how close I am!!" and stuff like that and it just seemed so inappropriate and I felt really bad for MJ. Like you said, it was something so important and so important for MICHAEL...something he cares about very much and puts his heart and his soul into....and it seems like he is talking to a "deaf, indifferent audience". Actually that's one of the things that bugs me every time he gives a speech....it feels like the majority doesn't even really listen to what he has to say and just keep screaming and interrupting him. It must be really frustrating for Michael. I was SO SURPRISED how quiet the fans were during the This Is It press conference in London though! I was like "OMG, I can't believe I can actually HEAR him talk and fans are actually LISTENING...." . :bugeyed That was positive at least.

Anyways...JMO.

[TarinJade]

Ape that was my thought exactly when I watched the video. It was kind of "sad" to watch in a way. MJ was "pouring his heart out"...and then you have these girls zooming in and out on him and giggling and going "look how close I am!!" and stuff like that and it just seemed so inappropriate and I felt really bad for MJ. Like you said, it was something so important and so important for MICHAEL...something he cares about very much and puts his heart and his soul into....and it seems like he is talking to a "deaf, indifferent audience". Actually that's one of the things that bugs me every time he gives a speech....it feels like the majority doesn't even really listen to what he has to say and just keep screaming and interrupting him. It must be really frustrating for Michael. I was SO SURPRISED how quiet the fans were during the This Is It press conference in London though! I was like "OMG, I can't believe I can actually HEAR him talk and fans are actually LISTENING...." . :bugeyed That was positive at least.

Anyways...JMO.

The audience seemed respectful during the Oxford speech, nobody was screaming "I LOVE YOU!!!" or interrupting. That Carnegie Hall speech was a little uncomfortable to watch though. :no:

[Ashtanga]

Well.. I don't think he has a "fear" for them. Because after bashir he now know what can happen. He know the worst of things.
He know where the limit goes and he has learned a great deal about how to handle the press. He's also doing a lot to not end up in a similar situation again.

You're right. Michael is "callous" with journalists, because there are many out there who like Bashir. Michael should be well away from such people. I believe that today he is more strict with people, he sees more carefully at who he should or should not trust.






And thank you for the nice words about my cat :D yes he's adorable.. I thought of naming him Michael Jackson :lol: my boyfriend did'nt like it so much though :lol:

Could you imagine me hanging out from the window screaming for my cat "MICHAEL JACKSOOOON!!" people would be like "wtf is wrong with that girl.." :lol:

I think when it comes to interviews that he's always sceptic though.
As for your cat I imagined the scene you screaming "Michael Jackson"... people looking and wondering: "Michael Jackson? Where? Where is he? There 's the Michael Jacksoooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn... Oh my God! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and all running after him... lol! The next cat you put the name of Michael Jackson! lol! :yes::D

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[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hahahahahaha! A cat named "Michael Jackson"! Hahahahahahaha!

[8701girl]

^ great name for a cat! ;) :P

[Renata]

I had a cat that I named Michael once... But he only lived with me for two years.. He was a street cat that I adopted and who loved to lay on my lap while I sang Ben to him...

Oh, I miss Michael (the cat)..

[8701girl]

I had a cat that I named Michael once... But he only lived with me for two years.. He was a street cat that I adopted and who loved to lay on my lap while I sang Ben to him...

Oh, I miss Michael (the cat)..

Aww :better: renata

[Ashtanga]

Hahahahahaha! A cat named "Michael Jackson"! Hahahahahahaha!


Of course! It is a very appropriate name for a cat. lol! :D

Look at the super cat strolling merrily in a day of sunshine and the beautiful flower garden... :wild:

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I want a cat that for me! He could pass for my garden too! :wub::wild:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I had a cat that I named Michael once... But he only lived with me for two years.. He was a street cat that I adopted and who loved to lay on my lap while I sang Ben to him...

Oh, I miss Michael (the cat)..


That's really sweet, Renata! You know, I had a friend who adopted a cat, and the cat had a big mark on his forehead from the way his fur was colored there that was in the shape of an "M" so she decided to name him "Michael." He was pretty mischievous. Once when she was sleeping, she heard this loud bang. Turns out "Michael" was on her dresser and knocked her humidifier off the dresser! She screamed, "Oooooooh, Michael!" She was so mad I think she almost killed "Michael" that night, lol!:D

[LindaC781]

Ooh I just love cats...they are so much funnier than dogs. Dogs don't do half the silly things cats do. Dogs look at cats and say "You idiot. I'd never get caught dead doing some of that stuff". My cat got herself caught between the wall in the kitchen. It was like the Twilight Zone, cause every time I'd go into the kitchen, I'd hear meowing. Couldn't figure out where it was coming from, till she found the way back out of the hole in the wall, and scared me half to death when she did!

[Renata]

That's really sweet, Renata! You know, I had a friend who adopted a cat, and the cat had a big mark on his forehead from the way his fur was colored there that was in the shape of an "M" so she decided to name him "Michael." He was pretty mischievous. Once when she was sleeping, she heard this loud bang. Turns out "Michael" was on her dresser and knocked her humidifier off the dresser! She screamed, "Oooooooh, Michael!" She was so mad I think she almost killed "Michael" that night, lol!:D

Oh, poor Michael.. He just wanted to play with the new toy he found! Lol


Ooh I just love cats...they are so much funnier than dogs. Dogs don't do half the silly things cats do. Dogs look at cats and say "You idiot. I'd never get caught dead doing some of that stuff". My cat got herself caught between the wall in the kitchen. It was like the Twilight Zone, cause every time I'd go into the kitchen, I'd hear meowing. Couldn't figure out where it was coming from, till she found the way back out of the hole in the wall, and scared me half to death when she did!

Yes, Linda, cats do the most silly and funny things we can imagine... or not! Lol!

My cats always surprised me... But the most bizarre thing is that story..

I had a cat named Suki, she's gone now, but she was like family. Seriously, I think she was pretty sure she just as human as the rest of us! Lol! So, my cats always lived at my grandma's house, and my aunt take care of them to me, since I'm there only in weekends. So my aunt is like their real mommy, though I'm their mommy too. When Suki was a young lady, she used to go out at night, like cats love to do, and she always brought "gifts" with her, to please my aunt. It turns out that the "gifts" were roaches, that she carefully placed at my aunt's feet. The funniest thing is that my aunt is real afraid of roaches! Lol!

And now I'm gonna stop talking about cats because it's becoming a "fever", just like that popcorn thing! :rofl:

[8701girl]

And now I'm gonna stop talking about cats because it's becoming a "fever", just like that popcorn thing! :rofl:


Lmao!!!!!

[Safira]

You're right. Michael is "callous" with journalists, because there are many out there who like Bashir. Michael should be well away from such people. I believe that today he is more strict with people, he sees more carefully at who he should or should not trust.

Exactly :yes:





As for your cat I imagined the scene you screaming "Michael Jackson"... people looking and wondering: "Michael Jackson? Where? Where is he? There 's the Michael Jacksoooooooooooonnnnnnnnnn... Oh my God! Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and all running after him... lol! The next cat you put the name of Michael Jackson! lol! :yes::D


:lol: Well I actually think that it would suit my cat to be named Michael Jackson. :D but I agree with my boyfriend that it's maybe a little over the top. Though it's mostly a matter of humor to me :)

[Love.him]

I don't know if Michael would date a journalist. Maybe, maybe not. As for interviews, the Geraldo interview was good. I think Michael might do an interview again but it would have to serve a purpose and he would be more careful about how it is conducted.




I think when it comes to interviews that he's always sceptic though.

[Poefiend]

After being set up so many times by those that
are of that type who wouldnt be skeptical and leary?
Even though some would say he set his own self up.
They dont understand something or someone in this
world they naysay it or poke fun at it? Just goes to
show you where some journalists and interviewers
mentality lies. Just my Opinion on them though. :)
It sometimes seems to me because of the media
marking him as a oddity and such those that interviewed
him after the fact had to poke fun at the man because
they seemed worried someone would think they cared
or liked him? Its Sad how people follow suit and cant use
their own Judgment and minds.

[LindaC781]

Just wanted to say...MJ, we aren't journalists in here ok?? Just wanted to set the record straight...lol

[Ashtanga]

:lol: Well I actually think that it would suit my cat to be named Michael Jackson. :D but I agree with my boyfriend that it's maybe a little over the top. Though it's mostly a matter of humor to me :)



Hmmm is not for nothing, but I think her boyfriend was jealous and did not want to admit it. lol! :yes:

[Lily]

I think it's more than just journalists that MJ has to be skeptical and leary about. We live in a selfish world. People lie, manipulate, and cheat all for their own self gain. I myself have wondered sometimes when I see/read/or have encountered certain things in life how some people can look themself in the mirror each and every day and be proud of the reflection they see. Destroying or attempting to destroy peoples lives with no conscience of actions whatsoever. It's sad the lengths of the maliciousness journalists and everyday people go through to hurt others. It doesn't just happen to celebrities, although they are the bigger target, it happens to us all.

But, I believe in sweet Karma and that someday we all have to answer for our actions throughout life and towards others. God sees everything. :)


I truly hope he has found or does find true love someday in someone that makes him completely happy, and that we all should be just as lucky if we haven't yet found it for ourself. :)

:popcorn:

[Sdeidjs]

Ooh I just love cats...they are so much funnier than dogs. Dogs don't do half the silly things cats do. Dogs look at cats and say "You idiot. I'd never get caught dead doing some of that stuff". My cat got herself caught between the wall in the kitchen. It was like the Twilight Zone, cause every time I'd go into the kitchen, I'd hear meowing. Couldn't figure out where it was coming from, till she found the way back out of the hole in the wall, and scared me half to death when she did!

I love cats too...but...unfortunately I am allergic to them. They make me sneeze, cough, and wheez...

They seem to love my sunny disposition though...cause they always migrate to me...smiles...

My sister Deb has a cat named Cloe that purrs like a dove...She found her out in the "below freezing cold"...because of frost bite...she can't meow, and had to have the tips of her ears removed...

:angel:

[Ashtanga]

I think it's more than just journalists that MJ has to be skeptical and leary about. We live in a selfish world. People lie, manipulate, and cheat all for their own self gain. I myself have wondered sometimes when I see/read/or have encountered certain things in life how some people can look themself in the mirror each and every day and be proud of the reflection they see. Destroying or attempting to destroy peoples lives with no conscience of actions whatsoever. It's sad the lengths of the maliciousness journalists and everyday people go through to hurt others. It doesn't just happen to celebrities, although they are the bigger target, it happens to us all.

But, I believe in sweet Karma and that someday we all have to answer for our actions throughout life and towards others. God sees everything. :)


I truly hope he has found or does find true love someday in someone that makes him completely happy, and that we all should be just as lucky if we haven't yet found it for ourself. :)

:popcorn:

Perfect what you said and as you said, "God sees everything." Sometimes in a moment believe that God is on our side, but he is full time with us in observing and protecting the bad things in the world. And Michael is no different. Now is a new phase which starts in his career. Many good things will happen and I feel that once again he will break records and amaze with his incredible art. Michael is a human being very strong and very blessed by God for having millions of fans around the world that love, admire and respect unconditionally. I do not know another artist who has this privilege. Therefore, I am sure that God is always with Michael... and do not worry, everything that is bad, "He" will deviate from the path of Michael. :yes: :angel:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

BTW, Linda, thanks so much for the compliment on my siggy!:) Also, thanks for that commentary you posted on it. I keep going back to read it over and over again. Wow! It's very powerful ... and encouraging!

[Ashtanga]

I keep going back to read it over and over again. Wow! It's very powerful ... and encouraging!


Yes, it pretty much the phrase of its signature. Not only for you, but I hope that these words are powerful and encouraging to all who are reading! :yes::angel:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I've been drawing a lot of comfort from this song, lately. I thought it would be o.k. to post it here since this man's voice and the melody of the song sound kind of "Michaelish" to me.:)

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Dependence (Jamie Slocum)

This is the life I've always wanted
To know the prince of peace
To feel my faith restored
As your grace surrounds me

This is the day of new beginnings
This is where my freedom starts
And now death has lost its sting
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you

There is a lightness in my laughter
There is a joy inside my soul
My heart is overwhelmed
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you

Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
There's nothing this world can do
I confess my dependence on you
Lord, I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Also, and I hope Beth doesn't mind my sharing this here, but she has such a great quote in her siggy which says:

"A woman's heart should be so hidden in Christ,..that a man should have to seek Him first to find her."

Ah, yes, I have seen Beth's siggy! I LOVE it!!! (It's also very true!:))

[LindaC781]

I've been drawing a lot of comfort from this song, lately. I thought it would be o.k. to post it here since this man's voice and the melody of the song sound kind of "Michaelish" to me.:)

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Dependence (Jamie Slocum)

This is the life I've always wanted
To know the prince of peace
To feel my faith restored
As your grace surrounds me

This is the day of new beginnings
This is where my freedom starts
And now death has lost its sting
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you

There is a lightness in my laughter
There is a joy inside my soul
My heart is overwhelmed
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you

Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
There's nothing this world can do
I confess my dependence on you
Lord, I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you
What a gorgeous song MP. I feel that same way, every time I go to God's house on Sunday morning. It gives me sustenance. It makes me feel good, knowing that at least one person, Jesus - loves me so much that he gave his life for mine. Really.

There have been times when I really really questioned the existence of someone like Jesus in my life. Believe me. When my aunt Marie died, when my beloved uncle Tom died after suffering from a thoracic aortic aneurism...when my uncle Hugh died a horrible death at the hands of an unknown executioner, and then dumped in a field in Rhode Island like unwanted trash....when I lost my grandmother...I questioned it. But then there are times when I feel exhilaration in Jesus. I guess we're all born to be like this...from Job onward..

[Love.him]

mmm, very nice song.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

There have been times when I really really questioned the existence of someone like Jesus in my life. Believe me. When my aunt died, when my uncle died a horrible death...when I lost my grandmother...I questioned it. But then there are times when I feel exhilaration in Jesus. I guess we're all born to be like this...from Job onward..

Ya, I know what you mean. It hasn't happened too often, but there have definitely been a few times in my life when I've really questioned Him and have even been pretty angry with Him. I would even cop a 'tude and everything (not smart! lol!). I don't really do that anymore. I guess you could say I've really come a long way.

I guess it's like you said, we all have to go through our "Job" experiences at some point. I've been listening to a song that has the lyrics, "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." I guess you have to be pretty "grown up" to look at things that way, lol! But the amazing thing is, no matter what happens, He keeps drawing me back to Himself. That just goes to show how great His love for us really is - He refuses to let us go! I guess they call that "stubborn love.":yes:

[Ashtanga]

I've been drawing a lot of comfort from this song, lately. I thought it would be o.k. to post it here since this man's voice and the melody of the song sound kind of "Michaelish" to me.:)

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Dependence (Jamie Slocum)

This is the life I've always wanted
To know the prince of peace
To feel my faith restored
As your grace surrounds me

This is the day of new beginnings
This is where my freedom starts
And now death has lost its sting
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you

There is a lightness in my laughter
There is a joy inside my soul
My heart is overwhelmed
And Jesus how can I thank you?

Just to know, just to know that you love me
Gives me hope to carry on
What can this world do to me? No, no
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
When all I have is gone
I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you

Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you're with me
On all these roads I traveled on
You're the one thing that I can turn to
Just to know, just to know that you love me
It gives me hope to carry on
There's nothing this world can do
I confess my dependence on you
Lord, I confess my dependence on you
Dependence on you


Awwwwwwwwwwww this music is beautiful! I am in love with that voice! How many beautiful words that lead us to God. Seems to be a prayer of thanks, an intimate conversation with God. It is very deep. It is proof of how God is near us in our lives. While many people complain of the times you think "He" forgets the people. But he never forgets... He looks with great care and affection for each one of us. We depend on it (always) that is "He" who gives us support and strength in difficult times we need to see how far will our ability to bear difficult situations and also to let us ever stronger when the next storm in our lives. It is the test that God gives us every day. That is the teaching of God, prepare us to face the difficult situations that is how we learn to become increasingly strong, invincible and thus grow spiritually. :yes::angel:

[LindaC781]

Ya, I know what you mean. It hasn't happened too often, but there have definitely been a few times in my life when I've really questioned Him and have even been pretty angry with Him. I would even cop a 'tude and everything (not smart! lol!). I don't really do that anymore. I guess you could say I've really come a long way.

I guess it's like you said, we all have to go through our "Job" experiences at some point. I've been listening to a song that has the lyrics, "Eventhough we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." I guess you have to be pretty "grown up" to look at things that way, lol! But the amazing thing is, no matter what happens, He keeps drawing me back to Himself. That just goes to show how great His love for us really is - He refuses to let us go! I guess they call that "stubborn love.":yes:

Yeah...I hear what you're saying. I guess we all have had our "Job" moments...moments where you just throw your hands up and say "Why me, God? What ever did I do to deserve this?"....then something amazingly good happens, and your faith in the Lord is redeemed...maybe that's a part of us that is inherently human after all?

[LindaC781]

Which brings me back on the topic of this thread...I think that the amazingly good thing that happened to MJ that restored his faith in the Lord was the result of the trial. He now knows the depth and breadth of the Lord's love for him and his faith is restored...

[Sdeidjs]

Always believe in the beauty of God and all the magic that beauty creates...for the force of the Almighty always creates miracles when WE least expect it..!

:angel:Keep Helping to Heal The World

[LindaC781]

MP - Is this the song you were listening to??

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You Do All Things Well - Chris Tomlin

Mountain maker
Ocean tamer
Glimpses of You
Burn in my eyes
The worship of heaven
Fills up the skies

You made it all
Said, "let there be"
And there was
All that we see
The sound of Your voice
The works of Your hands
You do all things well
You do all things well
You do all things well

Star creator
Wind breather
The strokes of Your beauty
Brushed through the clouds
Light from the heavens
Touching the ground

Imagination runs wild
And breathes the breath of life
Across the fields
Across the miles

[Ashtanga]

MP - Is this the song you were listening to??

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You Do All Things Well - Chris Tomlin

Mountain maker
Ocean tamer
Glimpses of You
Burn in my eyes
The worship of heaven
Fills up the skies

You made it all
Said, "let there be"
And there was
All that we see
The sound of Your voice
The works of Your hands
You do all things well
You do all things well
You do all things well

Star creator
Wind breather
The strokes of Your beauty
Brushed through the clouds
Light from the heavens
Touching the ground

Imagination runs wild
And breathes the breath of life
Across the fields
Across the miles


This song is beautiful! :clapping: Thanks for sharing! Another song that takes us to God... :angel:

[Lily]

I'm kinda curious.....I personally believe we all have a way of connecting with God differently and I know that when people speak about Michael and his possible love in the dark woman, spirituality is mentioned quite frequently. Do you believe that the woman he finds true love with has to be someone who is vocal in her religious beliefs?.....or.....Do you believe he can find true love in a woman that believes in God but chooses to practice her Faith quietly in her own way...someone that believes in God, Deity, Guardian Angels, the words of The Bible and has a strong self-practiced spiritual connection with the Lord but doesn't vocalize it as would be done in a place like a congregation or with any specific religious denomination?

Just curious. :)

[LindaC781]

I'm kinda curious.....I personally believe we all have a way of connecting with God differently and I know that when people speak about Michael and his possible love in the dark woman, spirituality is mentioned quite frequently. Do you believe that the woman he finds true love with has to be someone who is vocal in her religious beliefs?.....or.....Do you believe he can find true love in a woman that believes in God but chooses to practice her Faith quietly in her own way...someone that believes in God, Deity, Guardian Angels, the words of The Bible and has a strong self-practiced spiritual connection with the Lord but doesn't vocalize it as would be done in a place like a congregation or with any specific religious denomination?

Just curious. :)

I think that if the woman is spiritual, it shouldn't matter where she prays and is worshipful. MJ himself knows the following verse from the Bible:

Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.(NIV) (http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/p/newinternationa.htm)

[Lily]

I think that if the woman is spiritual, it shouldn't matter where she prays and is worshipful. MJ himself knows the following verse from the Bible:


Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.(NIV) (http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/p/newinternationa.htm)

Great verse. :)

[Ashtanga]

I remember this song...




Awsome God - Michael W. Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b1iwLIMmRQ

(P.S. I have not learned how to post the videos. lol! Sorry!)


Composer: Michael Farron


When He rolls up His Sleeves
He is not just Putin 'on the ritz
(our God is an awesome God)
There is thunder in His footsteps
And lightning in His fist
(our God is an awesome God)
Well, the Lord was not Joking
When He kicked 'em out of Eden
It was not for the reason that He shed his blood
His return is very close and so you better be Believing
that our God is an awesome God


Refrain
Our God (our God) is an awesome God
He reigns (He reigns) from heaven above
With wisdom (with wisdom) pow'r and love
our God is an awesome God


And when the sky was starless in the void of the night
(our God is an awesome God)
He spoke into the darkness and created the light
(our God is an awesome God)
Judgment and wrath he poured out on to Sodom
Mercy and grace He gave us at the cross
I hope that we have not too quickly forgotten that
our God is an awesome God


Refrain x3


Our God is an awesome God
Our God is an awesome God
(Our God is an awesome God)
(Our God is an awesome God)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

MP - Is this the song you were listening to??

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Actually, no. The song I was referring to is a bit somber. It's basically about going through difficulties, but believing that God doesn't make any mistakes. I kind of tear up a little every time I listen to it.

I'm glad you brought this song to my attention, though. It's much more jovial - puts you in a good mood.

[LindaC781]

Actually, no. The song I was referring to is a bit somber. It's basically about going through difficulties, but believing that God doesn't make any mistakes. I kind of tear up a little every time I listen to it.

I'm glad you brought this song to my attention, though. It's much more jovial - puts you in a good mood.

Thanks MP. Do you remember the name of the song you were thinking of? I want to look that up....if you don't mind...

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Which brings me back on the topic of this thread...I think that the amazingly good thing that happened to MJ that restored his faith in the Lord was the result of the trial. He now knows the depth and breadth of the Lord's love for him and his faith is restored...

Funny you should bring this up. I was just thinking about this a few days ago. I too believe that the trial was significant. So significant in fact, that he had to go through being accused a second time just so he could go through a trial. It seems like the accusations in '93 were supposed to set certain things in motion in Michael's life that didn't happen at that time because there was no trial. I think Michael began to realize this too at some point and that's one of the reasons he was so resolute all through the trial. It's like he knew he had to do this once and for all.

Just a few days ago I was thinking about a post about Michael that I had read in the "Pray and Fast" thread. It was about a "prophecy" that a man from a Christian ministry had given right as the trial was starting. I confess that I'm not too familiar with this man and his ministry, but he seems to be reputable. I had been thinking about posting it here, but I didn't know if this was the right place for it. He was basically talking about how influential Michael was going to become. Well, I know he already is, but he was referring influential specifically in a more "spiritual" way. It's quite a "coincidence" that Michael's popularity has just so happened to spike in the last couple of years after the trial. If this is true - which I believe it is - it makes sense why he has been going through so much opposition. I think Michael is very special to God.


Well, thank you all for lettin' me have "church" up in here! LOL!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Thanks MP. Do you remember the name of the song you were thinking of? I want to look that up....if you don't mind...

Actually, Linda, I don't think it's an actual recorded single. It is on this CD I have called, "A Time to Draw Near" by Paula White Ministries. There are a bunch of praise and worship songs on it, and at one point Paula is talking about going through difficult things that we don't understand, and in the background the choir keeps singing over and over again, "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." Those are the only lyrics to the song and they just keep repeating it over and over again intermittently as she is talking. I think you should be able to find the CD by going to Paula White Ministries' website.

[Ashtanga]

I think Michael is very special to God.
Yes, he is a human being very, very, very special, enlightened and blessed by God and I always say that Michael is an angel in human form sent by God to Earth. :):angel:

[8701girl]

Very sweet song

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Funny you should bring this up. I was just thinking about this a few days ago. I too believe that the trial was significant. So significant in fact, that he had to go through being accused a second time just so he could go through a trial. It seems like the accusations in '93 were supposed to set certain things in motion in Michael's life that didn't happen at that time because there was no trial. I think Michael began to realize this too at some point and that's one of the reasons he was so resolute all through the trial. It's like he knew he had to do this once and for all.

Just a few days ago I was thinking about a post about Michael that I had read in the "Pray and Fast" thread. It was about a "prophecy" that a man from a Christian ministry had given right as the trial was starting. I confess that I'm not too familiar with this man and his ministry, but he seems to be reputable. I had been thinking about posting it here, but I didn't know if this was the right place for it. He was basically talking about how influential Michael was going to become. Well, I know he already is, but he was referring influential specifically in a more "spiritual" way. It's quite a "coincidence" that Michael's popularity has just so happened to spike in the last couple of years after the trial. If this is true - which I believe it is - it makes sense why he has been going through so much opposition. I think Michael is very special to God.


Well, thank you all for lettin' me have "church" up in here! LOL!I was going to bold certain things to talk about but it would have ended up being the entire post so... it is as is. I remember when the accusations first came I thought so clearly that it is meant to be so that he could clear his name this time around. I felt it was a way to make it all publicly known that that is not who he is. He'd never do something to harm a child. I felt it so strongly with such resolution that it didn't even cross my mind that it would end any other way than it did. Looking back now, I am sure it was God placing those thoughts with me. I felt fired up for it all and passionate for the truth to be told and glad that justice could and would be served though of course it couldn't have been easy, but maybe necessary. I always remember the verse that all things work to the good of those who love Him. I believed this was going to be the way that his name would be cleared. I know others felt that same way that I had as well. It felt really good to be so confident about something from the inside out.

Funny too that you should mention that particular post from Prayer and Fast which I had just read the other day as well.. not even a week ago. I don't even know how I found it.. (or did someone quote it and bring it back up and that's how we both got to read it? and I just didnt remember..lol) I really don't remember now but the second you mentioned the prayer and fast thread that post popped up in my mind so I knew exactly what you were talking about.

And was also just talking to someone (I can't remember who or where now) about how certain people who have a special calling from God will also have the devil strongly trying to distract them away from Gods plan. He'll try to stop them or crush them and their hopes. It;s just what happens. Now it's bugging me that I can't remember who I was talking about that with. Anyways, I fully agree with all you've said here. It just amazes me sometimes the"coincidences" that happen. It is pretty cool to watch everything fall into place how it is meant to be. (from what I can see)

Also queen g that is an excellent post as well :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^ Yes, I know what you mean, Ape! Someone, I think, brought it up either in this thread or the Pray and Fast thread because something made me go back and re-read it. What is also amazing is the fact that this man said that Michael was going to influence young people involved in the music business in this generation and future generations, and it is really something to see young people all over, like on American Idol, or those who are already in the business, talk about how they are influenced by Michael. It's like I'm watching that man's words come to pass right before my eyes!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Absolutely, and that's most likely just the start. I think it'll be so much more even. And that's not to say he hasn't done so much already but... His life is and will be a blessing to so many and will continue to be.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Manu Break of Dawn]

Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix View Post
I think Michael is very special to God.

MisteriousPhoenix well remembered. The Michael Jackson (We love) has God in the heart ... God loves Michael ... Michael loves God and they love us! I feel that Michael addition of talented, intelligent, creative, visionary and a spiritual person. Thanks to his faith in God and concepts of the Bible in your life. but I agree in part: I think Michael is very special to God. Because - The gift is wonderful ... Only god to justify so many wonders of Michael Jackson.. Michael Jackson remains firm, strong and happy, given the obstacles that life ... He must not be killed .. God does not want this to special son ... God wants her son loved and special: happy, strong and creating his work.

God and the work of Michael are connected.

[Ape]

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8667&postcount=145

Here we go :)

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(phatfan..guuuurlllllll!!!!!!!!) :ohmy:
In fact after I read it , I re opened it three times and read it again because I was absolutely amazed and thanking God for such faithful believers.

God is proving that beyond our finite minds, beyond the veil of this earthly residence we call life...that He calls us, He speaks to our hearts.

He wants us involved to see with the eyes of faith not distracted by the diversion of doubt in these terrible cirumstances.

All glory to Him for everyone in this thread who were spiritually sensitive to hear what God has been sayin! And yes, I can confirm too, it has been at least the last two weeks that He has been preparing the hearts and prayers of those who care about Michael.
In fact this thread 2 days before...started hinting at these very issues.

http://www.mjjforum.com/forums/index.php?s...topic=15682&hl= (http://www.mjjforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15682&hl=)

However God has also called those to pray who realize some truths. One being that knowing with balance that Michael is human, that at the cross there is only level ground, no one is greater than another. He also knows there are very few people on this planet, even believers, who will not judge but pray for Michael Jackson at this time. Anyone who has been praying, consider yourself honored that your maturity in faith is such that God knew He could call and trust you with this awesome responsibility of interceding for another person in serious crisis.

I want to add something else I know God is showing me.
Michael has been attacked for the last 10 years but certainly for the last three.
I believe that as we discussed in that other thread... Michael's sense;

"And I think that I haven't scratched the surface yet of what my real purpose is for being here.

So so often, God finally shows us our real purpose as we go through and emerge out of the valleys and wilderness experiences of life. We want to find out without the pain, and God doesn't bring any pain to us ever, but somehow in our human dynamic, our stubborness prevents us from learning it any other way than when all is shaken. We find out what we are made of, we find out just how much we need God. The miracle of Him being savior and even friend is that He never leaves us or forsakes us through it. God will be with Michael every step of this ordeal.
Our prayers and spiritual sense of imminent crisis these last few days is evidence of this.

God can work it all for good. And it can take the pressure off Michael and what unparalleled pressure there is being Michael Jackson. He should never feel he has to be Unbreakable. Got news for you. He may not wear it on his sleeve and it is right to stand strong in the face of your enemies. But no one is that strong. It is a gift of relief that in being "Michael Jackson" records can be broken, unprecedented talent will become legendary but it can can never pay the heavenly debt to God of our being separated from Him through our sin......only Jesus did that once and for everyone.

A last word of warning to the wise which came to me last night.
As we are praying with such commitment and passion, let us not render our prayers ineffective with bitterness. We know that anger, unforgiveness and self righteousness can diffuse our faith. Let us not have hatred towards Tom Sneddon, Gloria, Diane etc etc...Let us thwart satan completely by even praying for them
.

(and hey y'all believe God speaks to our hearts, my mind and emotions would never tell me to do that!!! ...lol)

Pray even for the family bringing the allegations. Pray for that poor child with cancer. How evil that a mother would be so scorned that she would place her child with a life threatening illness in this kind of nightmare. To brainwash him for her own gain. Only the devil would concoct a scheme that would not only try to destroy lives but one that would use a child, one who if he survives will have a life of torment from this now. And listen, I know what I am talking about....trust me.

If you are sayin, dusk you are asking too much, remember this. Your anger and bitterness block your prayers. God is love, and by His very nature He cannot respond to us when we are in that kind of state. You will not be helping Michael one bit if you are praying and full of hatred. Don't worry. God will vindicate the righteous. He will reveal the lies. We have all seen him do it.

This also came to me last night... we know that Jesus said that the devil comes to steal kill and destroy. You can see all the people he is using to try to destroy Michael.

However....There must be a greater, divine plan for Michael's life, ...or satan would not be trying so diligently to destroy him.

I love all of you!!...thank you so much for praying *tears*...be confident, be faithful and take hope as this thread resonates with the verse...Hebrew 12:1

Therefore since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

God is in total control.

~ dusk

remember: The question:
Why would satan want to destroy him so much if there were not a divine plan for his life?
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[Ashtanga]

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8667&postcount=145

Here we go :)


Thanks! I've visited the topic several times, but I have not read this post... must read with care and quiet!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Here's the actual prophecy:


WARRING ANGELS BEING ASSIGNED TO MICHAEL JACKSON'S COURT TRIAL . . . AS THE BODY OF CHRIST IS BEING SUMMONED FOR 'SPIRITUAL' JURY DUTY!"
by Bill Yount
Blowing the Shofar Ministries
www.billyount.com (http://www.billyount.com/)
theshofarhasblown@juno.com



"I Want You Back!" . . . the first song that gave Michael Jackson the international spotlight on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1969 could be a prophetic word from Heaven that may soon be fulfilled.

I asked the Lord why warring angels would be attending this case that turns so many people off, with such allegations being heard. I sense the Father saying, "I have had a remnant of my people praying for Michael for years, and this is the turning point of those prayers being answered."

As the Father was saying these words, I saw a strong angel as though he was throwing a lasso over Michael Jackson's heart; the Father continued to say, "I have begun to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers. This verse in Malachi includes Michael Jackson! I am beginning to unlock Michael's childhood to see Me as his heavenly Father."


"I AM SUMMONING MY PEOPLE FOR 'SPIRITUAL' JURY DUTY!"

I sensed the Father saying, "Not many of My own people will be able to truly pray and believe for Michael's salvation because of wanting to judge him already. I am not calling My jury of people to judge but to pray for My justice and truth to come forth and, most of all, for My Holy Spirit to hover over him and to release ministering angels -- heirs of salvation, to minister to him, that My Spirit would draw him to the foot of My cross."

I saw a great battle in the heavenlies. It seemed as though many of the third of the angels who were thrown out of heaven with Lucifer, who was heaven's worship leader, were warring over Michael Jackson's soul! I sensed the awesome presence of two strong angels who may have possibly been Michael the archangel and Gabriel themselves.


"MICHAEL JACKSON REPRESENTS A MULTITUDE OF YOUNG PEOPLE NOW AND GENERATIONS TO COME"

Then a loud cry was heard from heaven calling to God's people to pray to break the powers of idol worship and to redeem false worship on the earth back to the Father! This included redeeming every musical instrument on earth known to man for the purpose of worshiping the only true God . . . Jehovah! It is interesting that the name "Michael" means . . . "Who is like Jehovah?"

There was a sound like a shofar blast, alerting God's people to pray and fast for Michael Jackson's soul, for he represents multitudes of young people now, and generations to come, who would be delivered from false worshiping of idols and music that is influenced by the enemy!

Do you believe God can save Michael Jackson? I have a gut feeling if God saved you and me . . . He can save anybody!!!

"Welcome to 'spiritual' Jury Duty!"

www.billyount.com (http://www.billyount.com/)

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[Ape]

You're welcome :) I think I just started reading that thread from the start and that's how I came across that particular thread just recently (with the triplet posts lol). I think that is the one. I actually am kinda busy and distracted tonight so Im not even sure if thats the one but I quickly scanned it and thought that was the one.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

Here's the actual prophecy:


WARRING ANGELS BEING ASSIGNED TO MICHAEL JACKSON'S COURT TRIAL . . . AS THE BODY OF CHRIST IS BEING SUMMONED FOR 'SPIRITUAL' JURY DUTY!"
by Bill Yount
Blowing the Shofar Ministries
www.billyount.com (http://www.billyount.com/)
theshofarhasblown@juno.com



"I Want You Back!" . . . the first song that gave Michael Jackson the international spotlight on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1969 could be a prophetic word from Heaven that may soon be fulfilled.

I asked the Lord why warring angels would be attending this case that turns so many people off, with such allegations being heard. I sense the Father saying, "I have had a remnant of my people praying for Michael for years, and this is the turning point of those prayers being answered."

As the Father was saying these words, I saw a strong angel as though he was throwing a lasso over Michael Jackson's heart; the Father continued to say, "I have begun to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers. This verse in Malachi includes Michael Jackson! I am beginning to unlock Michael's childhood to see Me as his heavenly Father."


"I AM SUMMONING MY PEOPLE FOR 'SPIRITUAL' JURY DUTY!"

I sensed the Father saying, "Not many of My own people will be able to truly pray and believe for Michael's salvation because of wanting to judge him already. I am not calling My jury of people to judge but to pray for My justice and truth to come forth and, most of all, for My Holy Spirit to hover over him and to release ministering angels -- heirs of salvation, to minister to him, that My Spirit would draw him to the foot of My cross."

I saw a great battle in the heavenlies. It seemed as though many of the third of the angels who were thrown out of heaven with Lucifer, who was heaven's worship leader, were warring over Michael Jackson's soul! I sensed the awesome presence of two strong angels who may have possibly been Michael the archangel and Gabriel themselves.


"MICHAEL JACKSON REPRESENTS A MULTITUDE OF YOUNG PEOPLE NOW AND GENERATIONS TO COME"

Then a loud cry was heard from heaven calling to God's people to pray to break the powers of idol worship and to redeem false worship on the earth back to the Father! This included redeeming every musical instrument on earth known to man for the purpose of worshiping the only true God . . . Jehovah! It is interesting that the name "Michael" means . . . "Who is like Jehovah?"

There was a sound like a shofar blast, alerting God's people to pray and fast for Michael Jackson's soul, for he represents multitudes of young people now, and generations to come, who would be delivered from false worshiping of idols and music that is influenced by the enemy!

Do you believe God can save Michael Jackson? I have a gut feeling if God saved you and me . . . He can save anybody!!!

"Welcome to 'spiritual' Jury Duty!"

www.billyount.com (http://www.billyount.com/)

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Wow! Thanks! Very good this text. It is very true. God and the angels were with Michael sending you strength to support it that difficult moment of his life. Reading all this, I am impressed by Michael is a very strong person. God sends Michael to that force. And in front of so much strength and confidence in itself, remember to read several times in the press (as I read today) people say that Michael is a fragile person. As a person who went through a very difficult time in life and who has quit and with great dignity intact, but with the heart and very hurt by everything that happened, is a fragile person? Where people see the weakness in Michael? I see great strength. He is a human being very, very, very strong spiritually. He has God on his life and in your heart. The hand of God guides the life of Michael for peace, happiness and love. Therefore it is so strong, confident and sure of himself. God does many wonders in our lives, He has the power to transform and change everything and why he is so present in the life of Michael. God is great partner for Michael to have given him many gifts to show their art. Michael is without doubt a very special child of God. :yes::angel:

And sorry... I wrote a lot! lol! :wild:

[Ape]

YES! That's the one. Where was it? How did you find it? I can't even remember where I read it or when though it was recently. Did someone post it recently? Sometimes my memory recalls the smallest detail of things so obscure, and other times I can't remember what I ate for breakfast..actually most times I can't remember what I ate..lol.

Thank you for posting it.

[Ape]

YES!! I found it! Wow, it was in my thread I made when I first came back here..lol. How cool.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49326&page=5

But I have never seen the full version. Only from post #73 , oh and it says that it was also in the prayer and fast thread by Phatfan. So I guess that has made it's way around, and is maybe finally getting the attention it deserved? :) (I haven't found that post this time in the prayer and fast thread though.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Oh those websites are so good. That Billy one.. This little boy phoned in to tell his story and got me all gushing tears he was so sweet and wise and gentle. 13 years old and you just have to hear it. It's towards the end of the podcast on that Billyount.com . Maybe it's not to do with this thread but wow that was good to hear that one part especially. Just can hear the humility in the young mans voice. So humble and wise.

[Love.him]

That's how I felt about the trial. I felt confident that God would watch over the proceedings and grant the right verdict. I was so confident about it because of the close relationship Michael seemed to have with God, how he had lived his life, & that Michael would never do anything like what he was accused. It was faith in God that convinced me that Michael would be found not guilty. :)

I really enjoyed reading the spiritual posts of the last few pages :)



I was going to bold certain things to talk about but it would have ended up being the entire post so... it is as is. I remember when the accusations first came I thought so clearly that it is meant to be so that he could clear his name this time around. I felt it was a way to make it all publicly known that that is not who he is. He'd never do something to harm a child. I felt it so strongly with such resolution that it didn't even cross my mind that it would end any other way than it did. Looking back now, I am sure it was God placing those thoughts with me. I felt fired up for it all and passionate for the truth to be told and glad that justice could and would be served though of course it couldn't have been easy, but maybe necessary. I always remember the verse that all things work to the good of those who love Him. I believed this was going to be the way that his name would be cleared. I know others felt that same way that I had as well. It felt really good to be so confident about something from the inside out.

Funny too that you should mention that particular post from Prayer and Fast which I had just read the other day as well.. not even a week ago. I don't even know how I found it.. (or did someone quote it and bring it back up and that's how we both got to read it? and I just didnt remember..lol) I really don't remember now but the second you mentioned the prayer and fast thread that post popped up in my mind so I knew exactly what you were talking about.

And was also just talking to someone (I can't remember who or where now) about how certain people who have a special calling from God will also have the devil strongly trying to distract them away from Gods plan. He'll try to stop them or crush them and their hopes. It;s just what happens. Now it's bugging me that I can't remember who I was talking about that with. Anyways, I fully agree with all you've said here. It just amazes me sometimes the"coincidences" that happen. It is pretty cool to watch everything fall into place how it is meant to be. (from what I can see)

Also queen g that is an excellent post as well :)

[Ape]

Yeah! It's actually interesting reading threads on his prayer that was posted around the net in Christian forums. Some really do believe he's guilty. They don't even question it. Some couldn't bring themselves to pray for him, others put their judgments aside and prayed for him as if he were guilty. Casting judgment as if it were so obvious he was guilty without ever having seen the actual man and tried to see the truth. Others prayed for truth and justice to be served, trying to keep their opinions about it out of the prayer, others reserved all judgment and humbled themselves as not knowing the truth and praying from their hearts for him.

It's interesting because Jesus himself was judged and condemned by people as being guilty and that same hatred for him was apparent then as it was with some people with regards to Michael. Not saying that Michael is Jesus or anything like that, but what happened to Jesus could happen to us all and does. It just shows human nature. But people weren't looking at the actual person and his heart, they were looking at the accusations and getting caught up in the hype... actually it was much to do with hype and not truth. If those same people reserved their judgment and instead looked at Michael and the case with an open mind, they might realize that they don't know what they think they do. They may find that they couldn't be more wrong about Michael as we have, I believe, with more proof for our opinions by looking at the actual person and his actions and words throughout the years.

That there is a really good reason that you should "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Really not even just for their own sins but even simpler to think about... if you judge someone publicly and publicly condemn them, thinking you know what's really doing on, then find out later on that you were really wrong about them, you'll be judged for that in this way even by others; Like me seeing those posts of people who staunchly believed in his guilt and wrote with anger about praying for him, and thinking they are not people who I'd like, or thinking they are a certain way. I realize I could be wrong about them, but I can't help but form some sort of opinion based on what I've seen from them... and really, I have done that in my mind regarding Raymone and her case...ok on the forum too..lol. So maybe the same will happen to me. I know God will have his hand in it regardless of what my thoughts may be about it.

Also interesting how many "coincidences" and similarities there are between MJs supporters regarding this. The ones who have felt called by God to support and have that conviction in their hearts about him. So many of us had similar thoughts and experiences regarding it all, in a spiritual way it seems.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^ I think the main problem was the fact that a lot of people don't really know that much about Michael to begin with, since they probably don't hang around "Michael" boards and such, combined with how very, very good the media are at brainwashing people. We are raised to never question the media. This gives them great power!

[LindaC781]

^ I think the main problem was the fact that a lot of people don't really know that much about Michael to begin with, since they probably don't hang around "Michael" boards and such, combined with how very, very good the media are at brainwashing people. We are raised to never question the media. This gives them great power!

Oh I so agree MP!! Hey, do you ever watch Joyce Meyer? Here is an excerpt from one of her speeches:

http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/EverydayAnswers/Articles/art37.htm

"3. To Purify and Test Your Faith

Sometimes people seem surprised that they must go through a time of trial or suffering. Perhaps they’ve been faithful to learn and obey the Word, and the trials still come. Sometimes trials come simply to test and purify our faith. [You should] be exceedingly glad on this account, though now for a little while you may be distressed by trials and suffer temptations, so that [the genuineness] of your faith may be tested, [your faith] which is infinitely more precious than the perishable gold which is tested and purified by fire. [This proving of your faith is intended] to redound to [your] praise and glory and honor when Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) is revealed (1 Peter 1:6,7)."

This in itself explains why Michael Jackson had to go through a time of suffering and trial....the genuineness of his faith was put to the test. And he made it through, like a beacon to herald a new beginning for him...

[Safira]

o_0
interesting though not how I view the world..

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yes, I do watch Joyce Meyer! I love her! What an anointed woman of God! Thanks so much for what you posted, Linda. I think we all need to be reminded of how very important faith is to God. I once heard someone say that the reason our faith is so important to God is because anything else that we could give Him already belongs to Him anyway, so our faith in Him is really the only thing that we have that we can give back to Him. It is more precious than gold.

[Ape]

^ I think the main problem was the fact that a lot of people don't really know that much about Michael to begin with, since they probably don't hang around "Michael" boards and such, combined with how very, very good the media are at brainwashing people. We are raised to never question the media. This gives them great power!Oh for sure that's why. Yes. So the solution is....? In his hands? To give everyone his side? Without the media in control of it? Or for him not to care, and since most of the ones who have that opinion of him without looking into the truth about him don't care either, then it would be fair, but they'll never know.


Safira :hug:


This is to anyone reading who may not believe the same way or in the same things, because I know that more than Safira would feel that way...even if it isn't how you see things, please try to be open to hearing the meaning of what is said by someone. The spirit behind it. Because we can all learn from each other and our beliefs regardless of what they are, or if they seemingly may conflict from the outside. Something that is true in the world will be true regardless of faith I think. So the truth that you can see in something can still be appreciated. Look for the truth that you are able to see in something. I hope everyone can feel free to contribute and say what's on their mind, with respect for each other, knowing we can't know what it means to be that other person and haven't experienced their life, so cannot judge them or their beliefs. We are all at our own unique places with our own unique perspectives and that all shapes what we see and how clearly we see it.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Oh for sure that's why. Yes. So the solution is....? In his hands? To give everyone his side? Without the media in control of it? Or for him not to care, and since most of the ones who have that opinion of him without looking into the truth about him don't care either, then it would be fair, but they'll never know.


Hmmm ... this does sound kinda tricky ... and sad. Oh, well, we all have some cross to bear I guess.

[Ape]

Yeah ...I don't know. Guess we all could take ABP's advice and just "let everything fall into place".

[Safira]

Safira :hug:


This is to anyone reading who may not believe the same way or in the same things, because I know that more than Safira would feel that way...even if it isn't how you see things, please try to be open to hearing the meaning of what is said by someone. The spirit behind it. Because we can all learn from each other and our beliefs regardless of what they are, or if they seemingly may conflict from the outside. Something that is true in the world will be true regardless of faith I think. So the truth that you can see in something can still be appreciated. Look for the truth that you are able to see in something. I hope everyone can feel free to contribute and say what's on their mind, with respect for each other, knowing we can't know what it means to be that other person and haven't experienced their life, so cannot judge them or their beliefs. We are all at our own unique places with our own unique perspectives and that all shapes what we see and how clearly we see it.

I'm sorry I did'nt meen to sound negative, and I think everything that has been said here was very beautifull and touching.

I know that Michael himself feels humble to he's creations. That he's saying that "this is all really god's work", but according to MY religion - he was solely responsible himself for ALL of the wonderfull things that have made through the years.

I believe that Michael is "gifted" yes. That he's destiny was written before he was born. But I believe that without he's power, he's will, he's passion for music, he's ability to learn something and do it so perfectly - "The King of Pop" would have never existed.

All the trial stuff - it was created by the evil "modern HUman".
Not by "satan". (I dont believe in an evil force like satan..)
The HUmans have corrupted because of our intellect. for several hundreds of years (since the middleage) our intellect has been very good, but still under the point to where we are able to handle it.

It's a little like if you put a young man into a car - he knows how to handle it, but he's brain is not developed enough to obey that knowledge and handle it like he KNOW he should; he drives too fast and too "wild" and ends up in a car crash.

That is what happened to the HUman in my openion..

Michael Jacksons trial was simply unfair, terrible and cruel
and theres noone to blame but the HUmans who created this because of their egoistic lust for power, fame and MONEY.

Thank god (whoever that might be for you) that justice where heard in the end, but most important: thank the people that judged this. Thank the people who stood up for Michael in the court room. Thank he's family, friends and he's FANS for beng there through it ALL.


And now I'm going to stop my speech :lol:

[LindaC781]

Yes, I do watch Joyce Meyer! I love her! What an anointed woman of God! Thanks so much for what you posted, Linda. I think we all need to be reminded of how very important faith is to God. I once heard someone say that the reason our faith is so important to God is because anything else that we could give Him already belongs to Him anyway, so our faith in Him is really the only thing that we have that we can give back to Him. It is more precious than gold.

I just wanted to tell you. I watch Joyce Meyer a lot. I also watch the other pastor you quoted here...Paula White. She is the only white (and I do not mean that derogatorily at all! Believe me!) woman pastor that I have seen that has as much energy as she does in her gospel. Good Lord. She jumps and says things with a lot of fervor. I just wish I had half that much energy, cause if I did, I'd be doing pretty well for myself!! LOL!


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There is another woman pastor I watch...on TBN. I just love her voice, and the message it sends out:

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[LindaC781]

As far as Paula White is concerned...I get home at 11:45pm after working all day...I see her jumping up and down, and I get tired just watching her! I mean, just look at her...she's really getting into it here...you see the size of her heels?? OMG!

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[LindaC781]

Here she is - Part 3....and she's still going!! She's like the Energizer Bunny Rabbit!

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[LindaC781]

Look!! Now she's IN the sandbox!!

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