Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[AllForMJ]

Now she can interpret your dreams too :wild:
There seems to be a two-part answer.

Part of the answer pertains to MJ being in love before he left, and part of the answer pertains to the message that he was trying to spread on how to get to Heaven.


:D why does it feel like a family reunion in here when one of us returns after having gone for a time? Now if only S.O.S. and queeng would return. I know there are more. Just they were two who I got somewhat close to in particular.

Welcome back AllforMJ :)
Thanks, Ape. :)

S.O.S. is probably still trying to come to terms with what has taken place. She had planned to close her account on the forum just before it had been announced that MJ had passed, but when she heard the news about what had happened, she instead stayed longer. Maybe she has now decided to step away for a while and will come back later. It would be nice to see how she is doing.

I hope queen is okay too, but it's understandable if queen is still hurt by what has transpired. It's just so hard not to miss Michael. He's such a beautiful person. He shared his gifts for a very long time and he touched many lives while he was here.

[SoS]

S.O.S. is probably still trying to come to terms with what has taken place. She had planned to close her account on the forum just before it had been announced that MJ had passed, but when she heard the news about what had happened, she instead stayed longer. Maybe she has now decided to step away for a while and will come back later. It would be nice to see how she is doing. Hi there!! :D Yep and you are absolutely correct my dear. I have simply had to redistribute my natural resources, time, energy etc. to make some necessary change.


A quick Hi to All! Just stopping by to say hello since I happen to be around on this Sunday night. You know I had to peek in here. I couldn't post in the "investigative unit" thread without stopping by my old stomping ground to say hi :D Thanks for thinking of me. I've missed every one of you so much!

AllforMJ that was a very nice post as always.

Speaking of rainbows, its amazing. . . I saw the most amazing rainbow the other day you guys! It was a COMPLETE arch!! And it had every color there is!! I was on the train and could not contain myself. I had to tell everyone on the train and they all got their camera phones and started snapping!

It went from clear on one side of the city all the way to the other!! When I figure out how to send it from my cell phone to my pc I'll post it. My frame could only capture the main part but it was PERFECT in every way from all the way to the left to all the way to the right!

Speaking of wonders in the sky, the first couple days after the "news" I found myself looking out the window of the train and saw two clouds formed as perfectly shaped hearts! :giggle: It literally made me laugh out loud as I marveled at the message I felt it was there to convey which is that God is still in charge, that God is Love, and that love is in the air!

I'm not much on dreams but its fun to read. I guess only MJ, God and "she" will only know what is really going on, if "she" ever really knew in the end, that is. AllforMJ's interpretation sounds similiar to what I was thinking though. OR ... that there are two MJs ... one who died and one who lives in whatever way that means in real life, only God knows.

If MJ had any say on music being released it might give a big clue but since that will be in the hands of others, there's no telling how they will do things. I do believe that if God wants it to be made known then it will be, because if the music come "from Above" as MJ always said, and God is the author of any songs MJ did for "her" then God just may make sure those songs get out that He wants to get out.

Maybe we'll just have to be patient. :) So good to see you all, MP, Babe, Moddie, Apeee, AllforMJ, 8701, Ashtanga, didn't I see Safira?!! :D sorry who I left out...I'm always flappin' my fingers so quickly.

I've been offline for several weeks and will be unplugging again soon as things are still unsettled for me and my youngunz and by the way, all Christians, please do say a prayer for state of shock and her two little shock waves! lol....well not so little anymore but still ... lol

I still may have only enough time for the "investigation" postings because it is partly driving me nutz to get to the bottom of things and I have such limited time these days so if you see me, please don't think hard of me for not stopping in for a while.

We have to keep the prayers going for the truth to come out and say prayers of special condolences for all who had such a special relationship as "she" did with MJ, plus all others who had their own special relationships with/to him as well and who need special condolences for their own reasons, eg., AllforMJ, you have mine as you had a special meeting of him and a very unique experience. :( :flowers:

Gotta run and will check with you guys later on. Meanwhile, keep dreamin' ;) and again I say, let's do keep the prayers going for all of us in this army of love, and for the truth to come out about what happened to our beloved. MJ was "about truth" as he so succinctly put it on Geraldo. So should we be too. Actually I don't think any of us will really 'rest' until we know the truth of what happened.

btw , these are for all the widows :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

If fans are MJ's "wife" they are all now also his "widows".

Let's keep the prayers going for eachother :) and thanks once again for thinking of me. I miss you guyz more. :yes: :flowers: See y'all lovlies later :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yes! Welcome back AllForMJ and SoS (and hopefully soon, the rest of our "Love in the Dark" family)! What lovely things you have written us!

All this "Rainbow" stuff has been very intriguing. I am still doing more research into this phenomenon and what it all means, but in the meantime, I had felt lead to post this song here last night, but I was having so much trouble with my computer freezing every time I went to this YouTube site, but perhaps you will have better luck. I wanted to dedicate it to our beloved MJ and all of the rest of you "rainbow lovers!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRvhRhWWE44


RAINBOW CONNECTION
Kermit the Frog

Why are there so many
Songs about rainbows
And what's on the other side
Rainbow's are visions
They're only illusions
And rainbows have nothing to hide
So we've been told and some chose to
Believe it
But I know they're wrong wait and see

Someday we'll find it
The Rainbow Connection
The lovers, the dreamers and me

Who said that every wish
Would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that
And someone believed it
And look what it's done so far
What's so amazing
That keeps us star gazing
What so we think we might see

Someday we'll find it
That Rainbow Connection
The lovers the dreamers and me

Have you been half asleep
And have you heard voices
I've heard them calling my name
Are these the sweet sounds that called
The young sailors
I think they're one and the same
I've heard it too many times to ignore it
There's something that I'm supposed to be

Someday we'll find it
The Rainbow Connection
The lovers, the dreamers and me ...

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Speaking of wonders in the sky, the first couple days after the "news" I found myself looking out the window of the train and saw two clouds formed as perfectly shaped hearts! :giggle: It literally made me laugh out loud as I marveled at the message I felt it was there to convey which is that God is still in charge, that God is Love, and that love is in the air!

Perhaps this is a sign that God subscribes to the "Love in the Dark" thread.:)





I've been offline for several weeks and will be unplugging again soon as things are still unsettled for me and my youngunz and by the way, all Christians, please do say a prayer for state of shock and her two little shock waves! lol....well not so little anymore but still ... lol

Done!:angel:





... I'm not much on dreams but its fun to read. I guess only MJ, God and "she" will only know what is really going on, if "she" ever really knew in the end, that is. AllforMJ's interpretation sounds similiar to what I was thinking though. OR ... that there are two MJs ... one who died and one who lives in whatever way that means in real life, only God knows.

... If MJ had any say on music being released it might give a big clue but since that will be in the hands of others, there's no telling how they will do things. I do believe that if God wants it to be made known then it will be, because if the music come "from Above" as MJ always said, and God is the author of any songs MJ did for "her" then God just may make sure those songs get out that He wants to get out.

... We have to keep the prayers going for the truth to come out and say prayers of special condolences for all who had such a special relationship as "she" did with MJ, plus all others who had their own special relationships with/to him as well and who need special condolences for their own reasons, eg., AllforMJ, you have mine as you had a special meeting of him and a very unique experience. :( :flowers:

btw , these are for all the widows :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers: :flowers:

If fans are MJ's "wife" they are all now also his "widows".

Let's keep the prayers going for eachother :) and thanks once again for thinking of me. I miss you guyz more. :yes: :flowers: See y'all lovlies later :)

That's so lovely what you wrote, very insightful.:) I especially like the part about all of us being his "widows." I really feel like we are. We are all in so much pain. I see it everywhere. I don't blame anyone for wanting to stay away. I know my first reaction was to leave and never come back. It was just too painful and overwhelming and it all seemed to happen at the worst possible time for me too. But at the same time, I felt like I needed the support that I could only get from the people here at a time like this. I also needed an outlet for my pain. A place where I could write my feelings, cry, even laugh every once and a while and I know everyone here would understand because we are all feeling the same way. There are not too many people who would understand something this unique. But I also know that we all grieve differently and that's o.k.

It also made wonder about something and that is: What happens now to all of the beautiful promises that MJ made to "her" in his songs and maybe even in songs to come? Do they and will they still have any meaning at all? What is she supposed to do with them? Are they just supposed to forever be painful and taunting reminders of what could've been? I know some are probably thinking something similar to what my uncle used to say which was, "Honey, dead men can't keep promises." I know some could get real deep and philosophical and say all of those promises shall be fulfilled in the sweet by and by in heaven, but according to the Bible, people who pass on are like the angels and neither marry nor are given in marriage in heaven. So, it would seem that these things could only apply to the here and now. So, what should she do now? Does she continue to love MJ as a ghost? Does she move on, but ache every time she hears his voice or sees his face? Well, I know there is no simple answer, but it would be interesting to hear others' opinions.

[AllForMJ]

Hi there!! :D Yep and you are absolutely correct my dear. I have simply had to redistribute my natural resources, time, energy etc. to make some necessary change.


A quick Hi to All! Just stopping by to say hello since I happen to be around on this Sunday night. You know I had to peek in here. I couldn't post in the "investigative unit" thread without stopping by my old stomping ground to say hi :D Thanks for thinking of me. I've missed every one of you so much!

AllforMJ that was a very nice post as always.

Speaking of rainbows, its amazing. . . I saw the most amazing rainbow the other day you guys! It was a COMPLETE arch!! And it had every color there is!! I was on the train and could not contain myself. I had to tell everyone on the train and they all got their camera phones and started snapping!
Thanks, STATEofSHOCK and hi there to you TOO!


Yes! Welcome back AllForMJ and SoS (and hopefully soon, the rest of our "Love in the Dark" family)! What lovely things you have written us!
Thanks, MysteriousPhoenix and hello!

[8701girl]

Ape: it sure does feel like a family reunion lol! Allformj : Thank god ur back...i have been worried bout you :hug: Sos: You are right bout us fan feeling like ''widows'',most of us have loved him all our lives and feel like we were ''married'' 2 him. Didnt mike say once he was ''married to god, married to my fans'' or somethin similar?

[Moddie777]

Ape: it sure does feel like a family reunion lol! Allformj : Thank god ur back...i have been worried bout you :hug: Sos: You are right bout us fan feeling like ''widows'',most of us have loved him all our lives and feel like we were ''married'' 2 him. Didnt mike say once he was ''married to god, married to my fans'' or somethin similar?


Holy! If I am a MJ widow, then that means I am also a bigomist, LOL. Don't tell nobody.

Sos, I am so glad to see you again, been thinking about you. I am getting alllllll teary eyed now. sniff. sniff.

MP, The same questions you have about her are questions I've been asking myself too.
I also wonder where in the crowd was "she" at the memorial. Surely she would have been there, right? I wonder Since we didn't see her speaking if that was due to her been too overwhelmed with pain? Will we ever have this relationship confirmed through media? Or were the dreams the only confirmation we should expect?

There has to be a bigger reason why fans are recieving these messages, and signs now?
Is something approaching and being revealed?

[8701girl]

Holy! If I am a MJ widow, then that means I am also a bigomist, LOL. Don't tell nobody.




Dont worry moddie, ur secret is safe with me! ...;)

[RainbowAngel]

Hi! Okey...am I the only one that is lost in this disscussion? What is this all about??

[8701girl]

Hi! Okey...am I the only one that is lost in this disscussion? What is this all about??


hi!
its about many things...lol!

usually we discuss the song lyrics to mikes song...or bout mj in general lol

[RainbowAngel]

I started reading,the first few post, it was very though provoking and touching seing MJ singing everything about his life and his feelings as he goes through the times of his life, but then it explain there is someone in the song he is always singing about? I'm not going to read the entire 368 pages to understand it! lol! I don't know why but MJJC site seems to load a lot slower than other sites!

[8701girl]

yeh mjjc has been slow for me too

[TialovesMJ]

Holy! If I am a MJ widow, then that means I am also a bigomist, LOL. Don't tell nobody.

Sos, I am so glad to see you again, been thinking about you. I am getting alllllll teary eyed now. sniff. sniff.

MP, The same questions you have about her are questions I've been asking myself too.
I also wonder where in the crowd was "she" at the memorial. Surely she would have been there, right? I wonder Since we didn't see her speaking if that was due to her been too overwhelmed with pain? Will we ever have this relationship confirmed through media? Or were the dreams the only confirmation we should expect?

There has to be a bigger reason why fans are recieving these messages, and signs now?
Is something approaching and being revealed?


I'm wondering the same thing.

[Ashtanga]

Maybe we'll just have to be patient. :) So good to see you all, MP, Babe, Moddie, Apeee, AllforMJ, 8701, Ashtanga, didn't I see Safira?!! :D sorry who I left out...I'm always flappin' my


SOS and AllforMJ, I had missed the posts from you. :wild::wild::wild:
I'm glad you came back. :) I am missing the LindaC781, Safira and Renata. I hope they come back too.

[Lily]

I think fans may be receiving messages because they were trusted by MJ. Maybe he wants the world to know the truth about the trolls that were around him, or what his feelings about life were at the present time, or possibly who he may have fallen in love with? I also believe Michael had a greater message he was trying to share with the world during these shows. He was concerned about Mother Earth, humanity, he spoke about higher consciousness, and in this last message

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"

Michael knew changes needed to be made, within ourselves, within our communities, and in the greater world. He's was right...and we are all living separate lives, but at the same time, we are all ONE.

"We are seasoned in each other's lives.
our joys and sorrows woven
into the tapestry of shared history". ~Linda Ellerbee~



Now.....
Just to put my little analysis on "Rainbows" because personally I don't believe rainbows relates to any particular "love in the dark" woman. But this is what I do believe they mean.....:2cents:LOL

Rainbows are a message that is sent from God. I always say the Angels are crying in Heaven or they are Mother Earths tears for our planet that reflect off of a bright sunlight to create this magical phenomenon in the hope that brighter days are ahead. A rainbows color creates energy, a divine energy. Natures beauty that brings a smile to our face when they appear out of nowhere on a dreary/rainy day, changing how we feel if only for an instant. But nonetheless, they are a vision that makes a change within us, like food for our soul. Also, notice how the closer you feel you are getting to the rainbow like it's within your grasp, the further away it gets, it has no end. I feel that's God way of teaching us a lesson. Things aren't always as they seem, life can be an illusion at times. Besides what would we learn if we reached the end of the rainbow? Would we stop grasping for things in life because the pot of gold had been attained? Would we be content and lose our sense of wonderment or would we keep reaching, continuing to reach beyond what is within our grasp? I think rainbows allow us to dream, dream of what can be. It's a sign from God that if the simplicity of raindrops and sunlight can create such magnificent beauty, nothing is impossible. :)

[Moddie777]

Very lovely Lily.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Will we ever have this relationship confirmed through media? Or were the dreams the only confirmation we should expect?


Perhaps one day she will write a book.

[Lily]

Very lovely Lily.

Thank you. :flowers:



Perhaps one day she will write a book.

Please tell me you are joking?

If Michaels LILD does exist this would be an ultimate betrayal of their love, trust and loyalty towards each other. She was not true to him if she does that imo. She'd be no different than the rest of them that have been all over the media. Blahhhhh.....

[8701girl]

I think fans may be receiving messages because they were trusted by MJ. Maybe he wants the world to know the truth about the trolls that were around him, or what his feelings about life were at the present time, or possibly who he may have fallen in love with? I also believe Michael had a greater message he was trying to share with the world during these shows. He was concerned about Mother Earth, humanity, he spoke about higher consciousness, and in this last message

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"

Michael knew changes needed to be made, within ourselves, within our communities, and in the greater world. He's was right...and we are all living separate lives, but at the same time, we are all ONE.

"We are seasoned in each other's lives.
our joys and sorrows woven
into the tapestry of shared history". ~Linda Ellerbee~



Now.....
Just to put my little analysis on "Rainbows" because personally I don't believe rainbows relates to any particular "love in the dark" woman. But this is what I do believe they mean.....:2cents:LOL

Rainbows are a message that is sent from God. I always say the Angels are crying in Heaven or they are Mother Earths tears for our planet that reflect off of a bright sunlight to create this magical phenomenon in the hope that brighter days are ahead. A rainbows color creates energy, a divine energy. Natures beauty that brings a smile to our face when they appear out of nowhere on a dreary/rainy day, changing how we feel if only for an instant. But nonetheless, they are a vision that makes a change within us, like food for our soul. Also, notice how the closer you feel you are getting to the rainbow like it's within your grasp, the further away it gets, it has no end. I feel that's God way of teaching us a lesson. Things aren't always as they seem, life can be an illusion at times. Besides what would we learn if we reached the end of the rainbow? Would we stop grasping for things in life because the pot of gold had been attained? Would we be content and lose our sense of wonderment or would we keep reaching, continuing to reach beyond what is within our grasp? I think rainbows allow us to dream, dream of what can be. It's a sign from God that if the simplicity of raindrops and sunlight can create such magnificent beauty, nothing is impossible. :)


That was very lovely :)

[Ashtanga]

Perhaps one day she will write a book.


You said and now you have to tell. lol! :wild:I am so curious...



*But I want to talk seriously about it... I do not believe in secret girlfriend. No celebrity can hide a secret relationship for long. At some point always find (the press). And if there was a secret girlfriend, long the world had known it. What about writing a book... Writing a book to tell something so private that only relates to two people and there is nobody else? If it were me I would never do that, it would be a lack of confidence with him, would break the privacy. And even that if there was a "secret girlfriend", "true love", everything would be very different to very, very, long time, that love is not just a feeling, is taking care of another. And when you have true love and that loves and is loved for real, love transforms the life of a person. The happiness of feeling loved unconditionally by a person and love are printed on the face of the person. When looking for that person you know who this person is loving and happy. Well, that's my view of everyone here. I can not see otherwise.

[Moddie777]

Perhaps one day she will write a book.


The fact that we have not seen her "offically" or otherwise coming out and speaking after his death to announce a relationship with Michael tells me, writing a book may not be an option or consideration for her.

This relationship was obviously very very private for the both of them, I'm just curious now with these dreams; what is going on with her other than of course, Grieving.

I just can't imagine the pain and torment this lady must be feeling now. I pray she has someone there to give her lost of comfort and love. I hope she is being protected.

[8701girl]

I hope she is being protected too moddie

[Ashtanga]

I believe that it does not exist that it had appeared. And in my opinion will never have the confirmation of her existence. And if it is the world need not know anything about this relationship. I know that nobody will like what I write here now. But I never really saw Michael happy. I always saw a sadness in the eyes of Michael. I never really felt he was really happy at any time and it always hurt for me and I do not believe that one day he found a love of truth, someone to love the truth. So do not believe he had a secret love that when you truly love and are loved the happiness and love are printed on the face and everyone realizes that. Why is she there, she would be there by your side watching him. Why love is not just a feeling, it is also caring for the other that nothing bad happens. If that true love exists, many things would have been different in the life of Michael. It is what I think about it. I felt I should explain my views here even though nobody will agree.

[Ape]

I don't think that nobody will agree with you.

It does seem really sad that, if there were a lady, she wasn't there with him to see that he was taking care of himself and was safe. Not that it would be her job, but would this all have happened if they were side by side (assuming there is someone). Maybe, if there was someone, he was protecting her by having them separate? Or maybe you are right Ashtanga.. I just hope that you aren't. We didn't get to see him much, so anything could have been possible in his life.

I still have thoughts about it all that I won't share on here. Just not really necessary. So it was brave of you to do so. I hope everyone is doing well.

S.O.S it was nice to hear from you in here. Where is Safira???

[Ashtanga]

I don't think that nobody will agree with you.

It does seem really sad that, if there were a lady, she wasn't there with him to see that he was taking care of himself and was safe. Not that it would be her job, but would this all have happened if they were side by side (assuming there is someone). Maybe, if there was someone, he was protecting her by having them separate? Or maybe you are right Ashtanga.. I just hope that you aren't. We didn't get to see him much, so anything could have been possible in his life.

I still have thoughts about it all that I won't share on here. Just not really necessary. So it was brave of you to do so. I hope everyone is doing well.

S.O.S it was nice to hear from you in here. Where is Safira???


I understand you Ape. :yes: Each has their different opinion and I respect and always respect that. :yes: But for me, I believe that if we had someone beside him that the love of truth, it would be very different. Michael's life would be different. When you love a real person and you make the impossible and possible for that person to be happy and nothing bad happen to her. At least I think that's how it works when two people really love it. So I think and I can not think about it otherwise.

[Lily]

But I never really saw Michael happy. I always saw a sadness in the eyes of Michael. I never really felt he was really happy at any time and it always hurt for me and I do not believe that one day he found a love of truth, someone to love the truth. So do not believe he had a secret love that when you truly love and are loved the happiness and love are printed on the face and everyone realizes that.



There was a period of time towards the end of last year that he was VERY different and you could see the happiness on his face when we saw pictures of him out and about. Everyone noticed and commented here how happy he looked then, you could just see his energy was different. It was around the same time he left the 2 notes for fans. I'm not sure what the reason(s) may have been but it was much different than the recent Michael. These are pics from that time.....


http://www.mjinnocencebracelets.com/a7%20sh.JPG


http://mjworld.net/images/buckets/halloween08.jpg



Maybe, if there was someone, he was protecting her by having them separate?

I agree with this, I think he was very protective of his personal life, as he should be. But unfortunately I also think that something else may have been keeping them apart, like the people that surrounded him. If he had found true happiness changes would have been made and I'm sure many people would have been cut off or pushed aside because he would have moved on to a new phase in his life. MJ was surrounded by selfish manipulative people and I think some people didn't want him to be truly happy.

[Ashtanga]

There was a period of time towards the end of last year that he was VERY different and you could see the happiness on his face when we saw pictures of him out and about. Everyone noticed and commented here how happy he looked then, you could just see his energy was different. It was around the same time he left the 2 notes for fans. I'm not sure what the reason(s) may have been but it was much different than the recent Michael. These are pics from that time.....



http://www.mjinnocencebracelets.com/a7%20sh.JPG


http://mjworld.net/images/buckets/halloween08.jpg



Well, there is happiness masked. I'm not seeing the eyes of Michael. Most of the time or almost always it was sunglasses. Why hide those beautiful eyes ever? What those eyes had to hide? Does he not want people seeing what your eyes were saying? When you are in front of people (fans) that you admire and love unconditionally, happiness is complete. Michael was always happy when I met with their fans. In my opinion, the only people (fans) who love and respect to Michael as he deserves. The fans were always beside him. But... When Michael returned to his home? Well, there were the expected the three angels: Prince, Paris and Blanket are part of the happiness of Michael. But there is another happiness: the man and woman. Is that happiness was also the same when Michael returned home? Does he really was a complete joy? No, I see something that has always failed to happiness is complete. I always felt we needed something so that everything was complete. The truth about what happened with Michael in their feelings, we never know.

[RainbowAngel]

Rainbows ....


Lol, Rainbow is my nickname for a long time already. But anyway, I still don't understand this topic.
Fans recieving massage frm MJ?
Some unknown lady grieving?

[Lily]

Do you ever wonder how many women in this world either rightfully, or better yet, wrongfully think that they are MJ's LILD woman? :huh: Hmmmmm :wtf: LOL







Well, there is happiness masked. I'm not seeing the eyes of Michael. Most of the time or almost always it was sunglasses. Why hide those beautiful eyes ever? What those eyes had to hide? Does he not want people seeing what your eyes were saying?





I do understand what you're saying about seeing his eyes because I have always felt they were mysterious and intriguing yet they did have a sadness about them. But I don't blame him for always wearing sunglasses with the flashbulbs and people all in his face constantly. I wear them all the time and I don't experience anywhere near the amount of attention. Also, being shy myself sunglasses are sort of like a protection shield from other peoples stares :fear: I feel like I'm invisible LOL and I can spy on people without them seeing me do it. :lol: Anyway, at this particular time I'm speaking about in the pics I posted we didn't need to see his eyes, his energy, how he was carrying himself and that smile showed us how happy he truly was. It was just different than in recent times.....:(

[Ashtanga]

Do you ever wonder how many women in this world either rightfully, or better yet, wrongfully think that they are MJ's LILD woman? :huh: Hmmmmm :wtf: LOL
:huh::scratch:




I do understand what you're saying about seeing his eyes because I have always felt they were mysterious and intriguing yet they did have a sadness about them. But I don't blame him for always wearing sunglasses with the flashbulbs and people all in his face constantly. I wear them all the time and I don't experience anywhere near the amount of attention. Also, being shy myself sunglasses are sort of like a protection shield from other peoples stares :fear: I feel like I'm invisible LOL and I can spy on people without them seeing me do it. :lol: Anyway, at this particular time I'm speaking about in the pics I posted we didn't need to see his eyes, his energy, how he was carrying himself and that smile showed us how happy he truly was. It was just different than in recent times.....:(




Ok. I understand you. :yes: But I not only talked about covering the eyes, hide your eyes. For I know that they were also to hide the shyness. In front of fans and other people and especially the press when he had to show happy, smiling to show: "Do not worry me, I'm fine." I meant the world out here, the way to Michael to show, is different. But when Michael arrived at his house? How real was the world of Michael? :scratch:This is the point. I always wondered since I met the man and artist Michael Jackson, how would your world, your life and your feelings. I always wanted to know what really happened in the closed and mysterious world of Michael. I was always very concerned about that. The world is not perfect for anyone, unfortunately. And nobody ever knows the truth about the mysterious world of Michael.

[Lily]

Lol, Rainbow is my nickname for a long time already. But anyway, I still don't understand this topic.
Fans recieving massage frm MJ?
Some unknown lady grieving?

This topic is about members interpreting songs and whether or not Michael was sharing certain life experiences and/or a personal love story through his lyrics. It goes from that to discussions about religion, our own personal life experiences and more recently dream interpretations. But we always come back to what this thread truly is about, LOVE, and that one question, "Did MJ find love in the dark"? :)

We like a fairy tale romance here, so if you have time to go back to the beginning, it's an interesting read. :)

[Moddie777]

I agree with this, I think he was very protective of his personal life, as he should be. But unfortunately I also think that something else may have been keeping them apart, like the people that surrounded him. If he had found true happiness changes would have been made and I'm sure many people would have been cut off or pushed aside because he would have moved on to a new phase in his life. MJ was surrounded by selfish manipulative people and I think some people didn't want him to be truly happy.[/QUOTE]


Our brains must be wired the same. This is exactly what I am feeling was going on. I felt it early on when interpreting the love songs. Some of Michael's own lyrics reveal things he was trying to convey about his personal life.

He told us there were walls and barriers between them back in the 90's( i think), fast forward to November 2008 didnt one of his notes say " I feel your enegry through the walls"?
If it was the same woman and if the theory of this thread was right, shouldn't that tell us what he was trying so say? They either had to be apart this way by design or they were made to be apart by other sources for whatever the reason being. It was clear, he no longer COULD BARE being separated from this love. He said he wanted to be ONE with her.
But when we saw all those pics of MJ and Dr. Tohme Tohme, all those lovely messages stopped and we saw his mood and weight drastically fall.

[Ape]

hmm... when was that Moddie? Was it sometime in the start of the year?

[Moddie777]

hmm... when was that Moddie? Was it sometime in the start of the year?


Are you asking about the walls and barriers he spoke about? Actually I am referring to song lyrics he sang about and more than once during that era. We discussed it here many, many, chapters back. I dont think we stayed on the subject too long though. I came across several works from MJ that touched on there being something in the way of him getting too and being truly and completely happy with a lady love.

Remember how "Iinvincible" starts? " If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart. I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start". Thats just one of many examples through the years.

I think Michael revealed alot about certain circumstances and realities in his life through his music and poetry.

[TialovesMJ]

I agree with this, I think he was very protective of his personal life, as he should be. But unfortunately I also think that something else may have been keeping them apart, like the people that surrounded him. If he had found true happiness changes would have been made and I'm sure many people would have been cut off or pushed aside because he would have moved on to a new phase in his life. MJ was surrounded by selfish manipulative people and I think some people didn't want him to be truly happy.


Our brains must be wired the same. This is exactly what I am feeling was going on. I felt it early on when interpreting the love songs. Some of Michael's own lyrics reveal things he was trying to convey about his personal life.

He told us there were walls and barriers between them back in the 90's( i think), fast forward to November 2008 didnt one of his notes say " I feel your enegry through the walls"?
If it was the same woman and if the theory of this thread was right, shouldn't that tell us what he was trying so say? They either had to be apart this way by design or they were made to be apart by other sources for whatever the reason being. It was clear, he no longer COULD BARE being separated from this love. He said he wanted to be ONE with her.
But when we saw all those pics of MJ and Dr. Tohme Tohme, all those lovely messages stopped and we saw his mood and weight drastically fall.[/QUOTE]


I absolutely agree with you.!!! Maybe the people that surrounded him kept them apart somehow.

[Lily]

I honestly still don't believe it was someone from long ago in the past (90's). imo I believe this was more recent. It's just a feeling/intuition I have and I'm not sure why?

I think the reference to walls certainly can refer to barriers such as other people keeping them apart, and I honestly do believe that happened. BUT I have a feeling it has alot more to do with Michael the man building the walls around himself and not letting a woman in due to lack of trust, shyness, scared of feeling certain emotions for fear of being hurt, etc...many of us build those same walls. I think he may have finally found someone that was able to penetrate those walls in some way that made him feel new emotions he never felt before, hence that note he released when he said "I feel your energy through the walls". Those 2 notes were released around the same time as those pics I spoke about a couple posts ago. You could feel and see he was different those couple of weeks we saw him out and about doing shopping, on Halloween, etc..new pics were posted at least 2 times a week, everyone here was commenting on how happy he looked, we got spoiled seeing him so much :wub: Maybe I was just imagining it lol, but to me he had a different energy and it showed. Someone was awakening his heart to the experience of NEW TRUE LOVE. Maybe she WAS the person special enough to him that someday those walls may have come crumbling down????? :cry:

[8701girl]

Well, there is happiness masked. I'm not seeing the eyes of Michael. Most of the time or almost always it was sunglasses. Why hide those beautiful eyes ever? What those eyes had to hide? Does he not want people seeing what your eyes were saying? When you are in front of people (fans) that you admire and love unconditionally, happiness is complete. Michael was always happy when I met with their fans. In my opinion, the only people (fans) who love and respect to Michael as he deserves. The fans were always beside him. But... When Michael returned to his home? Well, there were the expected the three angels: Prince, Paris and Blanket are part of the happiness of Michael. But there is another happiness: the man and woman. Is that happiness was also the same when Michael returned home? Does he really was a complete joy? No, I see something that has always failed to happiness is complete. I always felt we needed something so that everything was complete. The truth about what happened with Michael in their feelings, we never know.



I think michael hid hes eyes with the sunglasses was to hide the sadness he was feeling. As the saying goes "the eyes are the window to the soul" and imo hes sould was i guess damaged. As much as i know he loved his children ,he tried so hard to fight for them.. but the damage had been done and there was no turning back.

[Ashtanga]

I think michael hid hes eyes with the sunglasses was to hide the sadness he was feeling. As the saying goes "the eyes are the window to the soul" and imo hes sould was i guess damaged. As much as i know he loved his children ,he tried so hard to fight for them.. but the damage had been done and there was no turning back.


I think I'm not so wrong, I really think not. Well, at least that is how I think about it. After all, there is no concrete evidence to reach a definitive conclusion on this. :)

Yes! :yes: The eyes say a lot about what you are feeling. They are the mirror of the soul as you said, but also the mirror of the heart. When we are faced with a person, the first thing you look at are the eyes that see that it is through the feelings of a person. So if you have a serious conversation with someone, you need look in the eyes of that person. You need to look at them and see what they express. Why through the eyes you can see the sadness, happiness, love, worry, tiredness, lie, truth... and many other things. And I always paid much attention to the eyes of Michael. To me they were always sad and mysterious... unfortunately. :(

[8701girl]

To me they were always sad and mysterious... unfortunately. :(


yes they were to me too :(

[Ape]

Our brains must be wired the same. This is exactly what I am feeling was going on. I felt it early on when interpreting the love songs. Some of Michael's own lyrics reveal things he was trying to convey about his personal life.

He told us there were walls and barriers between them back in the 90's( i think), fast forward to November 2008 didnt one of his notes say " I feel your enegry through the walls"?
If it was the same woman and if the theory of this thread was right, shouldn't that tell us what he was trying so say? They either had to be apart this way by design or they were made to be apart by other sources for whatever the reason being. It was clear, he no longer COULD BARE being separated from this love. He said he wanted to be ONE with her.
But when we saw all those pics of MJ and Dr. Tohme Tohme, all those lovely messages stopped and we saw his mood and weight drastically fall.

Hi Moddie (and everyone)
I actually meant the very last sentence about when he seemed to change after Tohme. He seemed sad and got thinner I think you said? I just wondered when you saw that start
Are you asking about the walls and barriers he spoke about? Actually I am referring to song lyrics he sang about and more than once during that era. We discussed it here many, many, chapters back. I dont think we stayed on the subject too long though. I came across several works from MJ that touched on there being something in the way of him getting too and being truly and completely happy with a lady love.

Remember how "Iinvincible" starts? " If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart. I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start". Thats just one of many examples through the years.

I think Michael revealed alot about certain circumstances and realities in his life through his music and poetry.


I think it was Lily and Moddie both speaking about the wall? I wanted to add something that

Berlin 1989 (written by Michael Jackson)

They hated the Wall, but what could they do? It was too strong to break through.
They feared the Wall, but didn't that make sense? Many who tried to climb over it were killed.
They distrusted the Wall, but who wouldn't? Their enemies refused to tear down one brick, no matter how long the peace talks dragged on.
The Wall laughed grimly. "I'm teaching you a good lesson," it boasted. "If you want to build for eternity, don't bother with stones. Hatred, fear, and distrust are so much stronger."
They knew the Wall was right, and they almost gave up. Only one thing stopped them. They remembered who was on the other side. Grandmother, cousin, sister, wife. Beloved faces that yearned to be seen.
"What's happening?" the Wall asked, trembling. Without knowing what they did, they were looking through the Wall, trying to find their dear ones. Silently, from one person to another, love kept up its invisible work.
"Stop it!" the Wall shrieked. "I'm falling apart." But it was too late. A million hearts had found each other. The Wall had fallen before it came down.

from the book
**DANCING THE DREAM by Michael Jackson**
(published 1992)

Could be modified to fit what you two are saying. An analogy. Though it seemed that his wall was different. He cared about people and loved them from inside his wall out. Maybe it was a morphing wall depending on who was on the other side...but I suppose we all are much the same way. I don't know exactly how he was and I can only speculate, but did he trust? Seems he must have to an extent, though he said he didn't. Maybe he expected to be let down by people because they always seem to want something....so maybe it was a matter of accepting people as they are, but being aware that they may break his trust eventually, or come to want something more. ..but maybe someone came along who pleasantly surprised him by not breaking that trust? ..and then the wall came fully down?

Just some thoughts. I think love is something infinitely precious to him...and though everywhere.. somewhat elusive at the same time? Or there, but with a catch?
I got distracted and forget where I was headed with this (got reading his poems and thoughts). Oh well, I'll post it anyways.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I agree with this, I think he was very protective of his personal life, as he should be. But unfortunately I also think that something else may have been keeping them apart, like the people that surrounded him. If he had found true happiness changes would have been made and I'm sure many people would have been cut off or pushed aside because he would have moved on to a new phase in his life. MJ was surrounded by selfish manipulative people and I think some people didn't want him to be truly happy.


Our brains must be wired the same. This is exactly what I am feeling was going on. I felt it early on when interpreting the love songs. Some of Michael's own lyrics reveal things he was trying to convey about his
personal life.

He told us there were walls and barriers between them back in the 90's( i think), fast forward to November 2008 didnt one of his notes say " I feel your enegry through the walls"?
If it was the same woman and if the theory of this thread was right,
shouldn't that tell us what he was trying so say? They either had to be apart this way by design or they were made to be apart by other sources for whatever the reason being. It was clear, he no longer COULD BARE being separated from this love. He said he wanted to be ONE with her.
But when we saw all those pics of MJ and Dr. Tohme Tohme, all those lovely messages stopped and we saw his mood and weight drastically fall.

I think in the end they were both surrounded by demons that were coming against their relationship that neither one of them knew how to fight off and neither did the people around them (those who would've cared enough and loved them enough to fight for them). They may have not even been aware that such opposition was coming against them in the beginning. They probably couldn't figure out what was wrong. They probably blamed each other. In the end they were just two people who simply loved each other and wanted to be loved and wanted to be together like most couples in love. Pretty simple request and desire really, and I'm sure they saw it happening all around them and couldn't see a reason why it couldn't happen to them, so they probably didn't even suspect that anything or anyone would ever want to come between them. And you have to admit, when you are in love you're not thinking of fighting anyone anyway. You're just not in "fight" mode. So they probably had their guard down most of the time. Love can really leave you with your head in the clouds. They were pretty vulnerable.





We like a fairy tale romance here, so if you have time to go back to the beginning, it's an interesting read. :)

I just wish it had had a fairy tale ending.:(

[AllForMJ]

Here is some more info about Moddie's dream. Her dream revealed a lot.

Moddie777

Second dream:

I walked to a room where other were waiting for me, I could feel anticipation and excitement, then I saw what I was dressed in, A WHITE WEDDING GOWN. I walk out of room and see a ceremony like an award show taking place. I stand there for a few moments. There are hundreds in the crowd. I see Michael. He is alive, smiling his butt off, he sees me and he wants to get up and come to me, but the people on both sides holds his arm, then I hear the announcer guys voice say, "and the winner is michael jackson".

Moddie777

I could immediately make out the female who sang "Heal the World" at the memorial on July 7. She was in the dream, I saw her run up to someone and hug them with so much excitement.

Moddie777

On her left ring finger I saw a very shiny ring set. It looked very expensive and antique. She wore the engagement ring and the wedding band, there were alot of diamonds and it sparkled. Her dress was dark blue or dark purple, can't make out which color. It was not long, it stopped at her knees. She also wore fancy high heels with the toes out and a strap around the ankle. Her black hair was past her shoulders, this woman was petite, just like the woman who I was talking with by the vanity mirror in the first dream the other night, the only difference is the hair and this time, I can see more details of her.

Also, there was a little colorful graffiti falling from the top of the room, you know the kind thats shown at the countdown of a new year? Exact same just not nearly as much. The graffiti came as she began to move down the steps after she saw that the Gold Casket was there.

MysteriousPhoenix

Yeah*Hmmm ... seems to be a lot there. She is preparing herself/God is or has been preparing her for her groom?

MysteriousPhoenix

Mother (First person bride encounters upon leaving the bathroom): Church; Jerusalem; charity and love; comfort; Holy Spirit; kind; gentle; giving; nurturer; meddler; mother herself; spiritual mother; teacher; city; parting of the way, highway.

*I thought the "parting of the way, highway" seemed interesting! The way is now made clear for her?

Death or Dying (The casket scene): something is coming to and end; could be a chapter in life; marriage; bad habit being buried; job; relationship; desire; flesh is crucified.

STATEofSHOCK

I saw the most amazing rainbow the other day you guys! It was a COMPLETE arch!! And it had every color there is!! I was on the train and could not contain myself. I had to tell everyone on the train and they all got their camera phones and started snapping!

It went from clear on one side of the city all the way to the other!! When I figure out how to send it from my cell phone to my pc I'll post it. My frame could only capture the main part but it was PERFECT in every way from all the way to the left to all the way to the right!

MICHAEL

First Verse of "Heal The World"

There's a place in your heart
And I know that it is love
And this place could be
Brighter than tomorrow
And if you really try
You'll find there's no need to cry
In this place you'll feel
There's no hurt or sorrow

There are ways
To get there
If you care enough
For the living
Make a little space
Make a better place

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With the song "Heal The World" Michael is trying to tell us all how to get to Heaven. He is telling us to do good deeds while we are on earth.

Notice that he is talking about Revelations 21:4 in the first verse of "Heal The World." And notice that the song "Heal The World" came into Moddie777's dream that had the wedding gown. Also notice that in the second verse of "Heal The World" Michael says, "There are ways to get there."

Now look at Revelations 21:1-5. The things that Moddie777 saw in her dream; the interpretations given by MysteriousPhoenix; and the rainbow over the city that STATEofSHOCK saw...all of these things are leading to Revelations 21 just like Michael's song.

Revelation 21:1-5
The New Jerusalem

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.

2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”

5 And the one sitting on the throne said, “Look, I am making everything new!” And then he said to me, “Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true.”

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Notice that Moddie777 was paying close attention to the stones in the ring. She was zeroing in on beautiful jewelry and then she starts talking about the lady's dress. From there, Moddie is trying to figure out the colors. Notice that you all have been trying to figure out colors.

As you will see below, the New Jerusalem has many precious stones. They are different colors. Revelations 21:12-21 is a description of the New Jersualem.

Notice that Moddie777 saw something very colorful coming down in her dream. Also, notice that STATEofSHOCK saw a perfect rainbow going over an entire city. And, notice that in MysteriousPhoenix' interpretation, she actually said "Jerusalem."

While you are reading about the variety of precious stones, also notice how the number "twelve" keeps being mentioned.

Revelations 21:12-21.

12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates.
13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west.
14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.
17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.
19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

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As you can see from reading the above, the number twelve seems to be a very important number to God along with the other numbers that have been mentioned. The reason why I wanted to point out the number twelve is because of this...

In Revelations 21, the number twelve starts appearing beginning with verse 12. The last time the number twelve is mentioned is in verse 21.

What time was the 911 call made the day that Michael passed away? It was 12:21 p.m.

How old is Prince Michael I? He is 12 years old.

How many doves did we see released on the day that Michael was exonerated? We saw 12.

How many people deliberated for 7 days before saying Michael was not guilty of wrongdoing? It was 12 people. We call them jurors.

Did you notice that the date that Michael was exonerated and the date of his passing will forever be 12 days apart starting from this year moving forward? Yep, June 13th and June 25th are exactly 12 days apart and will forever be.

God is trying to show us that He has Michael with Him. God is also trying to tell us that Michael is staying at His home in Heaven. This is how God is trying to revealing it to us.

If we take a look at the month of June, we will see that there were three significant times that Michael went home. On June 11th, he went to Gary, Indiana. On June 13th, he went to the place that he used to call home. It was Neverland. On June 25th, he went to God's home. Notice that God's home is mentioned in Revelations 21:3.

Revelations 21:3
I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

God's home is the ultimate home.

Also, in Moddie777's dream, Michael looked like he did during the Thriller era as he lay in his gold casket. I think this is God trying to tell us that He took away Michael's vitiligo. He has restored Michael in every way.

Michael was happy before he left the earth. He had fallen in love. He was singing about it. He called the love good. And although he was not expecting to leave yet, he is not unhappy with God. This is what Moddie's dreams are telling us.

One day, we will see Michael again if we try our best to carry out our own good deeds and allow God to be proud of us too. It just takes some effort and some willingness to continue spreading the message that Michael worked so hard to spread all over the world.

He was spreading the new commandment that Jesus brought to the world.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

If you look at the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke, you will notice that Jesus was doing a recap of the ten commandments. Then, in the Book of John, he adds a new one. This is something that a pastor had pointed out one day while I was channel flipping. This pastor said there are actually eleven commandments now, and that John 13:34 is the eleventh one.

Now, let's look at the ages of Michael's children again. Prince Michael I is 12, Prince Michael II is 7 and Paris is 11. Which of Michael's three children spoke about him at the memorial and mentioned the word love. It was Paris, Michael's 11 year old child.

Now, here is something else from the Bible that twelve appears in...

This special story is a must read. It is about young Jesus. :)

Luke 2:41-51

Jesus Speaks with the Teachers

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival. 42 When Jesus was twelve years old, they attended the festival as usual. 43 After the celebration was over, they started home to Nazareth, but Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents didn’t miss him at first, 44 because they assumed he was among the other travelers. But when he didn’t show up that evening, they started looking for him among their relatives and friends.

45 When they couldn’t find him, they went back to Jerusalem to search for him there. 46 Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple, sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking questions. 47 All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.

48 His parents didn’t know what to think. “Son,” his mother said to him, “why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been frantic, searching for you everywhere.”

49 “But why did you need to search?” he asked. “Didn’t you know that I must be in my Father’s house?” 50 But they didn’t understand what he meant.

51 Then he returned to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. And his mother stored all these things in her heart.

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Now back to Michael's passing. Someone around him did not do right by him. Selfishness played a role in Michael no longer being here. Although he was not expecting to be gone yet, he is with God and he is happy with God. But, when the time comes for that person or those people that have caused Michael to no longer be with us find themselves making the trip between the physical world and the spiritual world, they are not going to like where they are going. Walking the earth or not walking the earth, Michael has still won. This is another thing that Moddie's dream is revealing.

God, thank You for Moddie's dream. :flowers:

[Moddie777]

Awwwwwwww, Amazing work as usual AllForMJ. So glad you are back in this thread.

[TialovesMJ]

Thanks AllForMJ :)

[Ashtanga]

Here is some more info about Moddie's dream. Her dream revealed a lot.

Moddie777


Moddie777


Moddie777


MysteriousPhoenix


MysteriousPhoenix


STATEofSHOCK


MICHAEL

First Verse of "Heal The World"

There's a place in your heart
And I know that it is love
And this place could be
Brighter than tomorrow
And if you really try
You'll find there's no need to cry
In this place you'll feel
There's no hurt or sorrow

There are ways
To get there
If you care enough
For the living
Make a little space
Make a better place

---------------------

With the song "Heal The World" Michael is trying to tell us all how to get to Heaven. He is telling us to do good deeds while we are on earth.

Notice that he is talking about Revelations 21:4 in the first verse of "Heal The World." And notice that the song "Heal The World" came into Moddie777's dream that had the wedding gown. Also notice that in the second verse of "Heal The World" Michael says, "There are ways to get there."

Now look at Revelations 21:1-5. The things that Moddie777 saw in her dream; the interpretations given by MysteriousPhoenix; and the rainbow over the city that STATEofSHOCK saw...all of these things are leading to Revelations 21 just like Michael's song.

Revelation 21:1-5
The New Jerusalem

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.

2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”

5 And the one sitting on the throne said, “Look, I am making everything new!” And then he said to me, “Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true.”

------------------------

Notice that Moddie777 was paying close attention to the stones in the ring. She was zeroing in on beautiful jewelry and then she starts talking about the lady's dress. From there, Moddie is trying to figure out the colors. Notice that you all have been trying to figure out colors.

As you will see below, the New Jerusalem has many precious stones. They are different colors. Revelations 21:12-21 is a description of the New Jersualem.

Notice that Moddie777 saw something very colorful coming down in her dream. Also, notice that STATEofSHOCK saw a perfect rainbow going over an entire city. And, notice that in MysteriousPhoenix' interpretation, she actually said "Jerusalem."

While you are reading about the variety of precious stones, also notice how the number "twelve" keeps being mentioned.

Revelations 21:12-21.

12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates.
13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west.
14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.
17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.
19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

------------------

As you can see from reading the above, the number twelve seems to be a very important number to God along with the other numbers that have been mentioned. The reason why I wanted to point out the number twelve is because of this...

In Revelations 21, the number twelve starts appearing beginning with verse 12. The last time the number twelve is mentioned is in verse 21.

What time was the 911 call made the day that Michael passed away? It was 12:21 p.m.

How old is Prince Michael I? He is 12 years old.

How many doves did we see released on the day that Michael was exonerated? We saw 12.

How many people deliberated for 7 days before saying Michael was not guilty of wrongdoing? It was 12 people. We call them jurors.

Did you notice that the date that Michael was exonerated and the date of his passing will forever be 12 days apart starting from this year moving forward? Yep, June 13th and June 25th are exactly 12 days apart and will forever be.

God is trying to show us that He has Michael with Him. God is also trying to tell us that Michael is staying at His home in Heaven. This is how God is trying to revealing it to us.

If we take a look at the month of June, we will see that there were three significant times that Michael went home. On June 11th, he went to Gary, Indiana. On June 13th, he went to the place that he used to call home. It was Neverland. On June 25th, he went to God's home. Notice that God's home is mentioned in Revelations 21:3.

Revelations 21:3
I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

God's home is the ultimate home.

Also, in Moddie777's dream, Michael looked like he did during the Thriller era as he lay in his gold casket. I think this is God trying to tell us that He took away Michael's vitiligo. He has restored Michael in every way.

Michael was happy before he left the earth. He had fallen in love. He was singing about it. He called the love good. And although he was not expecting to leave yet, he is not unhappy with God. This is what Moddie's dreams are telling us.

One day, we will see Michael again if we try our best to carry out our own good deeds and allow God to be proud of us too. It just takes some effort and some willingness to continue spreading the message that Michael worked so hard to spread all over the world.

He was spreading the new commandment that Jesus brought to the world.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

If you look at the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke, you will notice that Jesus was doing a recap of the ten commandments. Then, in the Book of John, he adds a new one. This is something that a pastor had pointed out one day while I was channel flipping. This pastor said there are actually eleven commandments now, and that John 13:34 is the eleventh one.

Now, let's look at the ages of Michael's children again. Prince Michael I is 12, Prince Michael II is 7 and Paris is 11. Which of Michael's three children spoke about him at the memorial and mentioned the word love. It was Paris, Michael's 11 year old child.

Now, here is something else from the Bible that twelve appears in...

This special story is a must read. It is about young Jesus. :)

Luke 2:41-51

Jesus Speaks with the Teachers

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival. 42 When Jesus was twelve years old, they attended the festival as usual. 43 After the celebration was over, they started home to Nazareth, but Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents didn’t miss him at first, 44 because they assumed he was among the other travelers. But when he didn’t show up that evening, they started looking for him among their relatives and friends.

45 When they couldn’t find him, they went back to Jerusalem to search for him there. 46 Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple, sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking questions. 47 All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.

48 His parents didn’t know what to think. “Son,” his mother said to him, “why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been frantic, searching for you everywhere.”

49 “But why did you need to search?” he asked. “Didn’t you know that I must be in my Father’s house?” 50 But they didn’t understand what he meant.

51 Then he returned to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. And his mother stored all these things in her heart.

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Now back to Michael's passing. Someone around him did not do right by him. Selfishness played a role in Michael no longer being here. Although he was not expecting to be gone yet, he is with God and he is happy with God. But, when the time comes for that person or those people that have caused Michael to no longer be with us find themselves making the trip between the physical world and the spiritual world, they are not going to like where they are going. Walking the earth or not walking the earth, Michael has still won. This is another thing that Moddie's dream is revealing.

God, thank You for Moddie's dream. :flowers:


Wow! I had missed it. I always love reading your comments. :wild::D

[Lily]

Great posts everyone. :)


Hi Moddie (and everyone)
I actually meant the very last sentence about when he seemed to change after Tohme. He seemed sad and got thinner I think you said? I just wondered when you saw that start

I hope you don't mind me answering this also.:)

I think Tohme had been around for a couple years already and I don't feel like he involved himself in that particular part of MJ's life. I felt like something changed in his energy and sometimes in his appearance in the weeks leading up to the O2 shows. I personally believe the changes started happening when DiLeo came back on the scene. Which would make sense because didn't he block MJ from being involved with anyone in a romantic relationship back when he managed him before? I dunno.....

[Moddie777]

Ape my comment about Tohme and MJ were from the times we got those pics seeing the two of them coming and going from the Beverly Hills Hotel (i think), for business meetings. Even before we had confirmation of who Dr. Tohme Tohme was, in those particular pictures with this man along, Michael's spirit seemed down, his body language bothered me when I first saw the pictures, he seemed nervous or uncomfortable around this man but I did see another pic of the two of them from London I think were Michael was smiling and looked upbeat.

Lily, I think we both maybe on to something, cause during the time when I noticed MJ's mood around Dr. Tohme, Frank was certainly in the picture and keeping a low profile about it.
Both of these men were part of Michael's team either officially or unofficially, both has access to him when others couldn't get it.

And yes, back in the day it was Frank who Fired Tatiana after she kissed Michael on stage. Rumor was, Michael didn't want her to do that and felt she was being too forward and aggressive?

[AllForMJ]

Wow, that was the Holy Spirit talking right there! It was long, huh?! LOL Glad you guys enjoyed reading it and I hope it makes your hearts feel less heavy.

Katherine Jackson raised her son very well. She gave him a strong spiritual foundation. :yes:

[mjjfan4ever]

ok- you'all be nice and not yell at me... i can't read 370 pages .... i read this thread when there was a lot less pages.... but even then....

i did not and do not understand what you all are saying..... LOL!

I feel like i am reading Shakespeare... HELP???? :-(

[Lily]

ok- you'all be nice and not yell at me... i can't read 370 pages .... i read this thread when there was a lot less pages.... but even then....

i did not and do not understand what you all are saying..... LOL!

I feel like i am reading Shakespeare... HELP???? :-(

I'll just repeat my post from yesterday LOL. What I posted below is pretty much what this thread is about.....:)


This topic is about members interpreting songs and whether or not Michael was sharing certain life experiences and/or a personal love story through his lyrics. It goes from that to discussions about religion, our own personal life experiences and more recently dream interpretations. But we always come back to what this thread truly is about, LOVE, and that one question, "Did MJ find love in the dark"? :)

We like a fairy tale romance here, so if you have time to go back to the beginning, it's an interesting read. :)

[mjjfan4ever]

Lily---Thank you! U r very kind .

[8701girl]

Katherine Jackson raised her son very well. She gave him a strong spiritual foundation. :yes:


:yes: she sure did!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

You know, it's funny you mention Shakespeare 'cause this story is a little like Romeo and Juliet which he wrote. Or really, more like West Side Story which is a more modern version of Romeo and Juliet and coincidentally I was thinking about one of the songs from that movie earlier. The song is called Somewhere. It was the song that the character "Maria" sang to her dead lover, "Tony." You probably already know all of this, but just in case, here is the link to the version sung by Barbra Streisand if you wanna take a listen. I love her version of it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emuVLVylBiA


Somewhere Lyrics

Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living
We'll find a way of forgiving
Somewhere...
There's a place for us
Somewhere a place for us
Peace and quiet and open air
Wait for us
Somewhere
There's a time for us
Someday there'll be a time for us
Time together and time to spare
Time to learn, time to care
Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living
We'll find theres a way of forgiving
Somewhere... somewhere... somewhere...
There's a place for us
A time and a place for us
Hold my hand and we're half way there
Hold my hand and I'll take you there
Somehow...
Someday, somewhere...

[Ashtanga]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emuVLVylBiA


Somewhere Lyrics

Someday, somewhere
Well find a new way of living
Will find a way of forgiving
Somewhere...
Theres a place for us
Somewhere a place for us
Peace and quiet and open air
Wait for us
Somewhere
Theres a time for us
Someday there'll time for us
Time together and time to spare
Time to learn, time to care
Someday, somewhere
Well find a new way of living
Will find theres a way of forgiving
Somewhere... somewhere... somewhere...
Theres a place for us
A time and a place for us
Hold my hand and were half way there
Hold my hand and Ill take you there
Somehow...
Someday, somewhere...
:wild: Thanks for the song! She really is very pretty. :wub: And this version of the video is amazing! :clapping: Barbara Streisand has a voice so sweet...:yes:






BTW, here's another beautiful song from West Side Story. It was from the scene where Maria and Tony are imagining their wedding day right before Tony's death. It's called One Hand, One Heart.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A0fVWomF90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A0fVWomF90)


One Hand, One Heart


Make of our hands, one hand,

Make of our hearts, one heart.

Make of our vows, one last vow;

Only death will part us now.

Make of our lives, one life.

Day after day, one life.

Now it begins, Now we start;

One Hand, One Heart.

Even death won't part us now.



Wow!!!! :wild: I liked this song more than the other. :yes: It is a great declaration of love.:wub: Thanks!!!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

BTW, here's another beautiful song from West Side Story. It was from the scene where Maria and Tony are imagining their wedding day right before Tony's death. It's called One Hand, One Heart.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A0fVWomF90


One Hand, One Heart


Make of our hands, one hand,

Make of our hearts, one heart.

Make of our vows, one last vow;

Only death will part us now.

Make of our lives, one life.

Day after day, one life.

Now it begins, Now we start;

One Hand, One Heart.

Even death won't part us now.

[Lily]

Nice posts MP.


I miss him :( seeing his beautiful smile and his crazy eclectic style, hearing his surprise messages, the wonderment and anticipation of what he's created for us, I just miss him, life has forever changed.....*sigh*

I just felt like saying this again because it's how I feel right now. :( Blahhhhh :cry:

[Moddie777]

Ok, I was not going to share this dream at first. I had it about 3 nights ago and was a little confused by it and dismissed it but I continued thinking about it even as I tried hard to brush it off as nothing.

I do not understand this dream at all, it is very short but the emotions felt were extremely strong and felt very much real.

Dont laugh, here goes(its weird).

I saw the back of her head and body being caressed very gently and lovingly by President Barack Obama, he was up agaisnt a wall and bending down to put his left arm around her waist. But get this, It was Michael's body and arm that was felt by her? but with Obama's head? In other words Michael's presense was greatly felt but he went unseen. The chemistry between these two people in the dream was intense and very lovingly. They touched eachother gently and slowly. He was very excited. I could see and she felt it with ehr body( if you know what I mean). But it was Michael's presense's and dersires for her that I felt( i think)?
The wall was a light color, maybe white or a light beige. She wore a blue or purple dress with short sleeves, it had white designs or dots in it and no this woman was not Michelle obama. This is the EXACT SAME WOMAN from my other dreams, she is much shorter than our first lady Mrs Obama and her hair is longer and I could see the back her body in the dress. She has a round ample bottom and I could tell when he bent down to kiss her, she was top heavy.

Thats all that happened in the dream. I dont get it at all? I dismissed it thinking my mind was just playing tricks on me since obama is in the news alot lately but I remembered, I hadn't been watching him or keeping up since our Michael has died.

This dream bothers me cause I dont understand it. Could there be some kind of link between Prez Obama, MJ and his lady love?

Its ok if we dismiss this one.

[Ape]

That's how dreams are, aren't they? So interesting things that seem to make no sense, yet may. I was just talking to a friend of mine the other day about a dream I had when I was 7 years old about my dog who had just passed away, and it was the one time that I remember having a dream about a place that was exactly how it really was in real life. My bedroom looked just how it did when I fell asleep. Usually it's dreams we have about something that is not how it is in real life, but you just know what it is. Like a dream about your home, yet it's nothing like your own home for real, yet in the dream you just accept it as your home.

Anyways, sorry if this doesn't help give insight to the dream, it was just an observation I felt like sharing.

[Ashtanga]

This dream bothers me cause I dont understand it. Could there be some kind of link between Prez Obama, MJ and his lady love?


Obama? :scratch:Wow! :wild: I think he came intruder in your dream. lol! But sometimes dreams are so confused. The same woman... Well, I think you and many others always wished that Michael found his true love. Maybe by thinking so much and wish this for Michael's life, this woman constantly appear in his dreams. Sometimes when we think or wish you to see something happen with us or someone else, just dreaming about it.

[TialovesMJ]

Ok, I was not going to share this dream at first. I had it about 3 nights ago and was a little confused by it and dismissed it but I continued thinking about it even as I tried hard to brush it off as nothing.

I do not understand this dream at all, it is very short but the emotions felt were extremely strong and felt very much real.

Dont laugh, here goes(its weird).

I saw the back of her head and body being caressed very gently and lovingly by President Barack Obama, he was up agaisnt a wall and bending down to put his left arm around her waist. But get this, It was Michael's body and arm that was felt by her? but with Obama's head? In other words Michael's presense was greatly felt but he went unseen. The chemistry between these two people in the dream was intense and very lovingly. They touched eachother gently and slowly. He was very excited. I could see and she felt it with ehr body( if you know what I mean). But it was Michael's presense's and dersires for her that I felt( i think)?
The wall was a light color, maybe white or a light beige. She wore a blue or purple dress with short sleeves, it had white designs or dots in it and no this woman was not Michelle obama. This is the EXACT SAME WOMAN from my other dreams, she is much shorter than our first lady Mrs Obama and her hair is longer and I could see the back her body in the dress. She has a round ample bottom and I could tell when he bent down to kiss her, she was top heavy.

Thats all that happened in the dream. I dont get it at all? I dismissed it thinking my mind was just playing tricks on me since obama is in the news alot lately but I remembered, I hadn't been watching him or keeping up since our Michael has died.

This dream bothers me cause I dont understand it. Could there be some kind of link between Prez Obama, MJ and his lady love?

Its ok if we dismiss this one.


WOW.. interesting dream. I wonder why Obama's head was in the dream but it was MJs body?? hmmm

[Moddie777]

Obama? :scratch:Wow! :wild: I think he came intruder in your dream. lol! But sometimes dreams are so confused. The same woman... Well, I think you and many others always wished that Michael found his true love. Maybe by thinking so much and wish this for Michael's life, this woman constantly appear in his dreams. Sometimes when we think or wish you to see something happen with us or someone else, just dreaming about it.


I think you could be right. This dream dont make any sense at all to me.

Me and my family are all Obama Supporters. Some of our older family memebrs have pictures of the entire Obama family on the walls of their "Living Rooms" and throughout their home.
I personally love the Obama's

But what I dont understand is the deeply erotic aspect of the dream?

Michael wasn't in the dream but his presense felt.

Maybe this dream mean nothing?

But why dream it at all?

[Moddie777]

You know, it's funny you mention Shakespeare 'cause this story is a little like Romeo and Juliet which he wrote. Or really, more like West Side Story which is a more modern version of Romeo and Juliet and coincidentally I was thinking about one of the songs from that movie earlier. The song is called Somewhere. It was the song that the character "Maria" sang to her dead lover, "Tony." You probably already know all of this, but just in case, here is the link to the version sung by Barbra Streisand if you wanna take a listen. I love her version of it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emuVLVylBiA


Somewhere Lyrics

Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living
We'll find a way of forgiving
Somewhere...
There's a place for us
Somewhere a place for us
Peace and quiet and open air
Wait for us
Somewhere
There's a time for us
Someday there'll be a time for us
Time together and time to spare
Time to learn, time to care
Someday, somewhere
We'll find a new way of living
We'll find theres a way of forgiving
Somewhere... somewhere... somewhere...
There's a place for us
A time and a place for us
Hold my hand and we're half way there
Hold my hand and I'll take you there
Somehow...
Someday, somewhere...

Wow MP! "The west side story" comparison is very similar isn't it? Been so long since i've seen the movie, I forgot most of it.

What you have posted is very tragic and eerily similar.

I wonder if their story will ever be told like this?

[Ashtanga]

I think you could be right. This dream dont make any sense at all to me.

Me and my family are all Obama Supporters. Some of our older family memebrs have pictures of the entire Obama family on the walls of their "Living Rooms" and throughout their home.
I personally love the Obama's

But what I dont understand is the deeply erotic aspect of the dream?

Michael wasn't in the dream but his presense felt.

Maybe this dream mean nothing?

But why dream it at all?

Well, actually Michael and Obama has nothing to do with the context of the dream. lol! I also really like Obama. Here in Brazil we follow Obama since the campaign until the tenure of the presidency and I am happy that the president of Brazil (Lula) has already met with Obama to discuss some issues.



I also realized something erotic in the dream. Is very confusing. Well, perhaps you have the continuation of the dream more clearly what is happening, what is puzzling is the presence of Obama. lol! :wild: I think it hurt the understanding of the dream was the fact that it was very fast and therefore did not give to get the message.





I wonder if their story will ever be told like this?


Yes! I think everyone here are very eager to hear our friend MysteriousPhoenix. lol! :wild: I hope it is possible. :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow! Obama, eh? How interesting! Some time before MJ passed I had had a dream about him. I wonder how he could possibly fit into all of this. I know he sorta does remind me of MJ in a strange way I guess. I dunno why, just something about him and his charisma and maybe also his success. Have you ever seen a pic of him in his younger years? He kinda looks like MJ circa the Off the Wall era like in this picture:




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/17/article-1096969-02D64922000005DC-720_224x327.jpg


Hmmm ... so maybe MJ is reincarnated in Barack Obama? Poor Michelle ... or perhaps I should say lucky Michelle!;D Kidding, kidding, kidding!



Wow MP! "The west side story" comparison is very similar isn't it? Been so long since i've seen the movie, I forgot most of it.

What you have posted is very tragic and eerily similar.

I wonder if their story will ever be told like this?


Yeah, well you know, there would be lots of singing and dancing like in the movie. You all have put me in West Side Story mode. I'm about to break out my old cassette and video of this movie and watch it all over again. I've been singing, "I like to be in Amedicaaaaah ..." all day today!

[Lily]

I'm gonna marinate on Moddies dream for a while before I try to analyze it. I do actually have some thoughts on it but I need to organize them.LOL

Now I don't usually talk about my MJ dreams but I had one last night and this one is just about one of his songs.:huh: I started hearing this instrumental music playing and then a voice said to me this is Michaels new song, then I heard Michaels voice singing some lyrics but I couldn't make out what they were, until suddenly he went into singing "Blood on the Dance Floor" :huh: Needless to say I woke up singing it and have had it in my head all day. :ermm: I haven't thought too much about it's meaning yet other than my name is Susan :unsure: :mello: :lol: but I'm not out to get anyone, so what gives? LOL Oh well I'll marinate on my dream as well and come back with my thoughts later.....:)

[you_rock_my_world]

intresting :)




I'm gonna marinate on Moddies dream for a while before I try to analyze it. I do actually have some thoughts on it but I need to organize them.LOL

Now I don't usually talk about my MJ dreams but I had one last night and this one is just about one of his songs.:huh: I started hearing this instrumental music playing and then a voice said to me this is Michaels new song, then I heard Michaels voice singing some lyrics but I couldn't make out what they were, until suddenly he went into singing "Blood on the Dance Floor" :huh: Needless to say I woke up singing it and have had it in my head all day. :ermm: I haven't thought too much about it's meaning yet other than my name is Susan :unsure: :mello: :lol: but I'm not out to get anyone, so what gives? LOL Oh well I'll marinate on my dream as well and come back with my thoughts later.....:)

[Moddie777]

[QUOTE=MysteriousPhoenix;2137400]Wow! Obama, eh? How interesting! Some time before MJ passed I had had a dream about him. I wonder how he could possibly fit into all of this. I know he sorta does remind me of MJ in a strange way I guess. I dunno why, just something about him and his charisma and maybe also his success. Have you ever seen a pic of him in his younger years? He kinda looks like MJ circa the Off the Wall era like in this picture:



Again you are brillant MP!!!!!??? Maybe you are right! Maybe the connection and link are between Barack and Michael, not so much her and Barack? Barack Obama have things in common with Michael Jackson:

Both have broken down racial barriers on a worldy stage and have risen to the Top of their Game.

They are both well loved among a variety of different races.

Could this be it?

If so, why do I see "her" in this dream?

[TialovesMJ]

[QUOTE=MysteriousPhoenix;2137400]Wow! Obama, eh? How interesting! Some time before MJ passed I had had a dream about him. I wonder how he could possibly fit into all of this. I know he sorta does remind me of MJ in a strange way I guess. I dunno why, just something about him and his charisma and maybe also his success. Have you ever seen a pic of him in his younger years? He kinda looks like MJ circa the Off the Wall era like in this picture:



Again you are brillant MP!!!!!??? Maybe you are right! Maybe the connection and link are between Barack and Michael, not so much her and Barack? Barack Obama have things in common with Michael Jackson:

Both have broken down racial barriers on a worldy stage and have risen to the Top of their Game.

They are both well loved among a variety of different races.

Could this be it?

If so, why do I see "her" in this dream?


Moddie, you make some good points!! They may have things in common.. But i agree. I wonder why you saw her in the dreams??

[Ashtanga]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/17/article-1096969-02D64922000005DC-720_224x327.jpg



Wow!!! I like this picture. Obama at university and I'm not sure, but I think he had 21 years of age. A Brazilian magazine did a special report on Obama when he won the election. The cover of the magazine was this picture.



The only thing Obama really reminds Michael: charisma and popularity. :yes:




If so, why do I see "her" in this dream?


Maybe because Obama and Michael have similarities? :scratch:But it can also mean much more and it was not clear in the dream.

[Moddie777]

I was just thinking....

Could the dream also be saying, Barack Obama and Michael both loved their woman in the same way. Is that why I see "her" in the dream, in a very intimate situation with the figure who has the Obama head but with the "MJ" physical and emotional feel?

Could I be over analyzing and this dream mean nothing?

But if it mean nothing, why is "she" in it?

[Ashtanga]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm


Moddie his dream was so confused. Maybe not a continuation of a more clear way so that you can understand. Obama and Michael have things in common, but I can not understand why he appeared in his dream. Until we know where Michael has never met Obama, and perhaps never have been spoken at any opportunity. It is difficult to understand. I'm confused... Pause... lol!


P.S. Moddie researching here in my files I found two articles written about Michael and Obama by a Brazilian journalist. But what he writes is really bad. I read it again to see if it was to extract some positive side to post here, but could not because it really is very negative what he writes. :(

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I was just thinking....

Could the dream also be saying, Barack Obama and Michael both loved their woman in the same way. Is that why I see "her" in the dream, in a very intimate situation with the figure who has the Obama head but with the "MJ" physical and emotional feel?

Could I be over analyzing and this dream mean nothing?

But if it mean nothing, why is "she" in it?


This dream has me very intrigued indeed, but like Lily, I'm gonna have to marinate on it. I didn't mention this before because I felt no one would believe me, but in the dream I had about Obama, I remember going into his office and he gave me a hug. So there is that "hug" theme again. But maybe that isn't so unusual for him. Maybe he hugs people all the time. Maybe he's real affectionate like that. Did he maybe really, really love Michael, like a brother maybe? Did he try to help Michael? But then again, this doesn't really involve Michael, does it? Or at least not directly. It involves "her." And what's even more confusing is Obama isn't really completely Obama either, he's part Michael! Wow! There are some strange things a goin' on! I never even heard Michael mention Obama. I always thought that was kinda strange 'cause he always seemed to be interested in each presidency and you would think he would be even more interested and vocal about this one because it is so significant, but all we got was a strange silence about the whole matter. Why was he so silent? Hmmm ... I think I need to sleep on this one!:mello:

Edit: Hey, by the way, wasn't there someone in Michael's circle, who's last name was Barack or something? I wonder if that is who the dream is really about?

Edit Again: O.k. I did a little search and there was/is someone in Michael's circle named Thomas Barrack. He is the head of Colony Capital, the company that took over Neverland. Duh! I should have known this! I remember people writing about him and every time they wrote "Barrack" I kept thinking they were talking about Barack Obama, lol! Well, might be a little bit of a stretch to say the dream was about him, I don't know, but it's something to think about anyway.

[Ashtanga]

This dream has me very intrigued indeed, but like Lily, I'm gonna have to marinate on it. I didn't mention this before because I felt no one would believe me, but in the dream I had about Obama, I remember going into his office and he gave me a hug. So there is that "hug" theme again. But maybe that isn't so unusual for him. Maybe he hugs people all the time. Maybe he's real affectionate like that. Did he maybe really, really love Michael, like a brother maybe? Did he try to help Michael? But then again, this doesn't really involve Michael, does it? Or at least not directly. It involves "her." And what's even more confusing is Obama isn't really completely Obama either, he's part Michael! Wow! There are some strange things a goin' on! I never even heard Michael mention Obama. I always thought that was kinda strange 'cause he always seemed to be interested in each presidency and you would think he would be even more interested and vocal about this one because it is so significant, but all we got was a strange silence about the whole matter. Why was he so silent? Hmmm ... I think I need to sleep on this one!:mello:

I believe in you! :wild: Wow!!! You were amazing in your post! lol! :clapping: Hummm what you wrote you can already begin to interpret the dream of Moddie. You opened a part of the path. I think "hug" (Obama hugging Michael) may mean that Obama admires him as a human being and artist and so was represented that way in the dream. Admiration and respect. :yes:



P.S. This reminds me when Michael met President Ronald Reagan!
Just as Ronald Reagan, I believe Michael had an interest in knowing President Obama. Obama has an incredible life trajectory with much struggle and that must have fascinated Michael. The two fought hard to get everything in life. They are blacks. They are important people: Obama is the first black president of the USA and Michael is the King of Pop. Both came from simple family. These are other points in common between the two.

[Moddie777]

I think I'm gonna have to go and marinte( sounds like we going off to fix a well done steak, lol) on this dream too.

[Safira]

I also have dreams about Michael. They are always so nice, and theres always this kind of "deep" feeling in them. Expressing my own feelings toward him as a human being..

I think that we are all trying to hold on to Michael by either believing that he is still alive (fake death) or that he is responding to our psygical "calls" for him, in dreams or meditations or whatever.

[Moddie777]

I also have dreams about Michael. They are always so nice, and theres always this kind of "deep" feeling in them. Expressing my own feelings toward him as a human being..

I think that we are all trying to hold on to Michael by either believing that he is still alive (fake death) or that he is responding to our psygical "calls" for him, in dreams or meditations or whatever.


I think your post is partially right Safira. We are holding on to him and he to us.....

[Ashtanga]

I think that we are all trying to hold on to Michael by either believing that he is still alive (fake death) or that he is responding to our psygical "calls" for him, in dreams or meditations or whatever.
:smilerolleyes::wild:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I think that we are all trying to hold on to Michael by either believing that he is still alive (fake death) or that he is responding to our psygical "calls" for him, in dreams or meditations or whatever.

First off ... ashtanga, what's the "eye roll" for?:scratch::D I feel we really are trying to hold on to him. I know I am. I think the fact that I never saw him "d_ _d" makes me feel like he is still alive. Usually when someone passes you get to see them after they have passed and it helps give you some closure, and you are able to move on realizing that they really are gone because you were able to see it with your own eyes. But in this case, I don't have any closure so it leaves the impression in my brain that he is still alive, because that is how he was when I last saw him. I don't have any memory of him "d_ _d." So, for me, it is very much like the sign that appeared on the screen in blue letters at the end of his memorial which read, "I am alive and I am here forever." (I guess them leaving me with that final thought didn't help matters none!);D

[Safira]

First off ... ashtanga, what's the "eye roll" for?:scratch::D I feel we really are trying to hold on to him. I know I am. I think the fact that I never saw him "d_ _d" makes me feel like he is still alive. Usually when someone passes you get to see them after they have passed and it helps give you some closure, and you are able to move on realizing that they really are gone because you were able to see it with your own eyes. But in this case, I don't have any closure so it leaves the impression in my brain that he is still alive, because that is how he was when I last saw him. I don't have any memory of him "d_ _d." So, for me, it is very much like the sign that appeared on the screen in blue letters at the end of his memorial which read, "I am alive and I am here forever." (I guess them leaving me with that final thought didn't help matters none!);D

Yea thats exactly how I feel! It's really hard to get past that "thing"..

moddie777 - what part of my post do you disagree with then? Because what you wrote was pretty much a sum up of my own post :P

[8701girl]

First off ... ashtanga, what's the "eye roll" for?:scratch::D I feel we really are trying to hold on to him. I know I am. I think the fact that I never saw him "d_ _d" makes me feel like he is still alive. Usually when someone passes you get to see them after they have passed and it helps give you some closure, and you are able to move on realizing that they really are gone because you were able to see it with your own eyes. But in this case, I don't have any closure so it leaves the impression in my brain that he is still alive, because that is how he was when I last saw him. I don't have any memory of him "d_ _d." So, for me, it is very much like the sign that appeared on the screen in blue letters at the end of his memorial which read, "I am alive and I am here forever." (I guess them leaving me with that final thought didn't help matters none!);D

Yeh i get like that sometimes i'll hear his music and be like "nahhh he cant be gone"....then it hits me..

[Ashtanga]

First off ... ashtanga, what's the "eye roll" for?:scratch::D
:scratch:.............. :smilerolleyes::wild: Off again... is a great mystery. :fortuneteller:

But I can only say that I agree with what you said... :yes:
Soooooooooooo I will just tell you! :D:cheeky:

[Safira]

:scratch:.............. :smilerolleyes::wild: Off again... is a great mystery. :fortuneteller:

But I can only say that I agree with what you said... :yes:
Soooooooooooo I will just tell you! :D:cheeky:

are you rolling your eyes at.. me? o_0

[Ashtanga]

are you rolling your eyes at.. me? o_0
:wild: No!!! Relax Safira...:D :cheeky:

[Safira]

:giggle: but.. I just sat and heard through some of his music and it made me think that Michael experienced so many things in his 50 years of life.. He experienced so much that there was enough for 100 years of living for a normal person! :-)

Maybe even more.. That makes me a little less sad..

But then I heard this song "Heaven Can Wait" - and now it's so obvious that he wrote that song for Paris! And that is just.. heartbreaking! To think how devistated and panicced he must be (if you believe in stuff like "afterlife") because he can't be there to protect his little daughter.

[Ashtanga]

:giggle: but.. I just sat and heard through some of his music and it made me think that Michael experienced so many things in his 50 years of life.. He experienced so much that there was enough for 100 years of living for a normal person! :-)


Absolutely! But.... Michael has matured very fast and became an adult as a child. He had an adult life as a child. He lived many things, but not really had a childhood. But I'm sure there were still many things he wanted to do and experience.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I have a question for you guys:

With all the new info coming out regarding MJ's circle/camp and how possessive and controlling many people around him seemed to be, do you think that he could've ever had a "Someone in the Light"? Do you think the relationship would've been able to survive against all odds or do you think the relationship was doomed to forever stay in the "dark"? Do you think he even realized how challenging it would've been or do you think he thought all the obstacles could've been overcome? I guess that was more than one question. Sorry.

[CTU]

What about that bodyguard said that he had someone? Someone he kept secretly? Who's that... someone who he really love?

[Safira]

I think that with all the new information, it makes even more sense that he had a secret love.
Look - he was able to keep Omer a secret for 20 years. Why not a lover for 20 years? hmm..

[8701girl]

[quote=Safira;2141120]:giggle: but.. I just sat and heard through some of his music and it made me think that Michael experienced so many things in his 50 years of life.. He experienced so much that there was enough for 100 years of living for a normal person! :-)

quote]


I agree

[Ashtanga]

lol! I do not believe in those things that we're talking about a celebrity and not a person who has a normal life. Michael has always been chased by paparazzi and press. Nothing can be secret in the life of a celebrity. Something can be kept secret for some, but not for long. Why always find... Someone will always open the mouth (someone always opens his mouth to tabloids and all the press) and put all the light and the whole world know. Unfortunately people 100% reliable is a rarity for a celebrity. But there are people that you can buy them ($$$$$) to keep your mouth shut and keep your secret. Privacy and no secrets in the world of celebrity, this is the truth and the bad side. Sorry, but that is how I see. I can not see the side of pink, why is life. Life will never be 100% perfect and wonderful, much less for a celebrity.



*The big question is: He never liked to talk about his private life and would never do that. And I'm sure many people would like it if he came out doing interviews talking about his private life and making great revelations. And he is right to never have done this because it is something that relates to them and should not be shared with the world. So people are dying of curiosity to know about your private life, his loves, his feelings... So this intense curiosity to know about his life and his secrets, because Michael has always been a very mysterious man. This great interest tireless on the private life of Michael will always continue. You are very curious! lol!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Nothing can be secret in the life of a celebrity. Something can be kept secret for some, but not for long.

:smilerolleyes:

[Ashtanga]

:smilerolleyes:
:smilerolleyes::fortuneteller:

[Safira]

Michael Jackson was (ofcourse..) a human being, and he was (ofcourse) JUST like everyone else inside.
Just like any other man. With the same feelings and needs throughout his 50 years of living.

What I meen is just this - that Michael got to have so many happy and exiting times! Also many not so happy times (like the rest of us) and some very lonely and depressing times (many people experiences this too. It was just a different REASON for Michael being depressed and lonely).

He could ofcourse have experienced a lot more, but he did'nt, and theres no turning back now. We are left with our memories and all that he gave to us in many ways.

We need to learn to live with this fact, and also need to accept that we DID'NT knew him as the true human being that he was. We knew him as super star, muse, mentor - Michael Jackson.

However - those people that knew him as a human being, as a familymember, close friend, lover - these are the people that we must let be now. They are the people who needs to mourn.

I do believe in energies and spirits, and I think it's always a good idea to pray for his children, and then try to force ourselves to not think about how much WE need him, but instead think of how much THEY need him. The energies should be focused on his family I think.

Imagine that they might feel the pain 10x worse than many of us fans do.

[Sdeidjs]

We must remember Mr.Jackson was/is very adamant about protecting his PRIVACY...

Anything in life is possible!

:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[cleopatra1975]

moddie one question.. i hope i dont offend anyone. just want to ask was this lady you saw an african american lady or a white or tanned lady? ( I mean the lady in your dreams)just in case this lady dr.etok was his secret lover..cause they met in 1998. i hope you can or others can asnwer this.. huggs to all

[Moddie777]

I have a question for you guys:

With all the new info coming out regarding MJ's circle/camp and how possessive and controlling many people around him seemed to be, do you think that he could've ever had a "Someone in the Light"? Do you think the relationship would've been able to survive against all odds or do you think the relationship was doomed to forever stay in the "dark"? Do you think he even realized how challenging it would've been or do you think he thought all the obstacles could've been overcome? I guess that was more than one question. Sorry.

I have thought about this too and long before his death actually. When I started to pick up on the lyrics and messages from "Who is it" (song & video), I began to first look at his life from a very different perspective.

Honestly in lieu of his death, I guess my answer would be: It was doomed to forever stay in the dark.

When I think of the fact that Michael added a "New Bridge" to "For all Time for T25, and what he's actually saying/singing, its very clear to me what he wanted and what was on his mind. He had to have known of the challenges better than anyone elese, I think with her coming back to him during a dark time in his life made him believe even more in their love and in God's Will.

[Moddie777]

moddie one question.. i hope i dont offend anyone. just want to ask was this lady you saw an african american lady or a white or tanned lady? ( I mean the lady in your dreams)just in case this lady dr.etok was his secret lover..cause they met in 1998. i hope you can or others can asnwer this.. huggs to all


Hi cleopatra1975,

No I'm not offended at all by your question. In fact I'm glad you asked, I wondered the same thing about this Dr. Etok when I saw her on tv last week.

But to answer your question. Yes. The lady in my dreams is African American, but that doesn't mean anything concrete even though It would kinda make sense and fall in line with some of the old clues pointed out in this thread ions ago.

Dr. Etok's features are more chiseled (sp), her face narrow, the smile isn't the same as the woman in my dreams but I for some reason I'm not sure I'm ready to rule her out completely.

Matt Fiddes, a former bodygurad from UK spoke about a secret Love MJ had for years that he saw him with and I always had a feeling he could have been referring to a woman from the UK, That is if its true or not..

[Ashtanga]

Matt Fiddes? To me he just wanted to show talking about it. There are people who love to show the expense of the other and have their 15 minutes of fame. He was never a close friend of Michael, so he knows nothing of the private life of Michael. If you knew would be a great disrespect on his part to go around saying things about Michael. Matt Fiddes is not a reliable source. Indeed, no source is reliable. Only one person could confirm: Michael Jackson and anyone else. :)

[TialovesMJ]

Nice posts people!!! :D *waits for more of Moddie's dreams*

[Lily]

I have a question for you guys:

With all the new info coming out regarding MJ's circle/camp and how possessive and controlling many people around him seemed to be, do you think that he could've ever had a "Someone in the Light"? Do you think the relationship would've been able to survive against all odds or do you think the relationship was doomed to forever stay in the "dark"? Do you think he even realized how challenging it would've been or do you think he thought all the obstacles could've been overcome? I guess that was more than one question. Sorry.

To be honest as much as I love a love story, unless Michael eradicated virtually every single person within his inner circle and those that were so-called "friends", no I don't think he would have ever found true happiness. He had a fault, trying to see the good in people where evil truly existed. The more days that pass and characters that we see that have come out that he associated and surrounded himself with, it's like the devil was at work. I personally look at all these people and listen to their "stories" and think 2 things to myself WTF rock did these people crawl from under and why don't they disappear back under it and some peoples true colors certainly do come shining through at the most opportune times. *shakes my head*

I think the only way for him to find true happiness was to break free from it all. Happiness is a choice and sometimes that means making COMPLETE life changes.......


just in case this lady dr.etok was his secret lover..cause they met in 1998. i hope you can or others can asnwer this.. huggs to all

I'm sure he met alot of people in 1998. Why is she talking now that he's not here to defend himself? Where was she before when he was alive? Oh yeah the same reason the secret love child came out today talking, the psychic spoke, the bodyguard spoke, or Lester, and on and on and on.....they are all self-absorbed, self-serving OPPORTUNIST.....and it's sickening.



Matt Fiddes? To me he just wanted to show talking about it. There are people who love to show the expense of the other and have their 15 minutes of fame. He was never a close friend of Michael, so he knows nothing of the private life of Michael. If you knew would be a great disrespect on his part to go around saying things about Michael. Matt Fiddes is not a reliable source. Indeed, no source is reliable. Only one person could confirm: Michael Jackson and anyone else. :)

I agree ashtanga. All these people are not friends, they are opportunist running their mouth at the expense of another human being because he's not here to defend himself. Instead of cherishing and keeping sacred whatever experiences they may have had, they violate every meaning I know of that a true friend really is. Makes me sick these dumb f**ks.


I have nothing else to say tonight, I'm not in the mood for love.....LOL

[Ashtanga]

I agree ashtanga. All these people are not friends, they are opportunist running their mouth at the expense of another human being because he's not here to defend himself. Instead of cherishing and keeping sacred whatever experiences they may have had, they violate every meaning I know of that a true friend really is. Makes me sick these dumb f**ks.

Yes! Not only with Michael, but all the celebrities have always been surrounded by these types of people that involves money. Very rich and famous and will always have this kind of problem. Unfortunately. That's why I always say with absolute certainty that a celebrity will never trust 100% in one person. It is rare to happen. There will always be doubt about the loyalty of that person and talk about his private life with this person you do not fully trust can be very dangerous. This is just one part of what is really the life of a celebrity who has nothing fascinating and easy as people often think. The reality is another, very hard times and not always the total happiness is present.:yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Honestly in lieu of his death, I guess my answer would be: It was doomed to forever stay in the dark.





To be honest as much as I love a love story, unless Michael eradicated virtually every single person within his inner circle and those that were so-called "friends", no I don't think he would have ever found true happiness. He had a fault, trying to see the good in people where evil truly existed. The more days that pass and characters that we see that have come out that he associated and surrounded himself with, it's like the devil was at work. I personally look at all these people and listen to their "stories" and think 2 things to myself WTF rock did these people crawl from under and why don't they disappear back under it and some peoples true colors certainly do come shining through at the most opportune times. *shakes my head*

I think the only way for him to find true happiness was to break free from it all. Happiness is a choice and sometimes that means making COMPLETE life changes.......


I guess this really is the harsh, cold, sad reality that I am learning more and more with each passing day. It's really hard to accept something like this, especially when you believe that love conquers all, but at the end of the day, this very well may be the honest truth, as sad and tragic as it seems. In the end, one has to wonder what it all really meant. I suppose in time, God will reveal the true meaning of this very sad and tragic love story. Thanks for your very honest and enlightening answers.

[cleopatra1975]

thank you moddie and lily and all :) for the fast answer... just wondering what is the truth of all.the lady dr.etok talks like michael wasnt interested in her, only wanting a baby from her.or maybe he was in love with her but she didnt get it and he never told her. like in beautiful girl. she never knows never knows.
if someone asks me i would tell he got a secret love but they were not together. this is what i get in songs and in his messages.he was maybe in platonic love, he wanted to tell but maybe he doesnt wanted to disturb her life.
i m sure moddies dreams will tell us more... im waiting for her next dreams... hugggs to all.

[Ashtanga]

I guess this really is the harsh, cold, sad reality that I am learning more and more with each passing day. It's really hard to accept something like this, especially when you believe that love conquers all, but at the end of the day, this very well may be the honest truth, as sad and tragic as it seems. In the end, one has to wonder what it all really meant. I suppose in time, God will reveal the true meaning of this very sad and tragic love story. Thanks for your very honest and enlightening answers.

Yes, the reality is hard, cold, sad and sometimes tragic, but not forever, all these things are temporary. There are good times and bad times. Remember that God is always in command. He is always looking at all and sometimes you go through bad things to grow and mature. God can not only put good things in our lives. We have to feel pain, suffer, go through bad times to learn to survive at that and becoming stronger even the worst that can appear in the path. God does not want anyone to be weak. God also puts a lot of good in the way only when the right time for that to happen, that everything in life has a right moment to happen. At the end of the tragedy all survived, reborn again to live new experiences good and bad to follow the path of life and go in search of happiness and love. :yes:

And yes, love always wins and overcome any barriers and obstacles that arise and in the end everything will be okay. :yes:

That's how life works, the secret is to always be prepared. :)

Well, maybe nobody will agree with me, maybe I could be wrong, maybe I'm too young to feel that life works this way, maybe I have not yet lived long enough in my life, but that is how I see all that I can not and see otherwise. :)

[Lily]

I guess this really is the harsh, cold, sad reality that I am learning more and more with each passing day. It's really hard to accept something like this, especially when you believe that love conquers all, but at the end of the day, this very well may be the honest truth, as sad and tragic as it seems. In the end, one has to wonder what it all really meant. I suppose in time, God will reveal the true meaning of this very sad and tragic love story. Thanks for your very honest and enlightening answers.

It's heartbreaking to think about when you wish nothing but the best for someone but I believe that in order to be happy in life sometimes you have to eliminate certain things around you. I know, I've done it in my life because negativity is suffocating especially for someone like me who's naturally an optimistic person. I believe happiness is a choice and as painful as letting things go is sometimes, our energy and aura feeds off of what we surround ourself with. I think if he was able to break free from the negativity and all these toxic people that we've been witnessing come out, he would have opened himself up to something free flowing and extremely beautiful.

or

Maybe that was what he was trying to do? Could he have found true love and was working towards making changes in his life so that it would flourish? I guess right now only God knows the answer to that.:)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yes, the reality is hard, cold, sad and sometimes tragic, but not forever, all these things are temporary. There are good times and bad times. Remember that God is always in command. He is always looking at all and sometimes you go through bad things to grow and mature. God can not only put good things in our lives. We have to feel pain, suffer, go through bad times to learn to survive at that and becoming stronger even the worst that can appear in the path. God does not want anyone to be weak. God also puts a lot of good in the way only when the right time for that to happen, that everything in life has a right moment to happen. At the end of the tragedy all survived, reborn again to live new experiences good and bad to follow the path of life and go in search of happiness and love. :yes:

And yes, love always wins and overcome any barriers and obstacles that arise and in the end everything will be okay. :yes:

That's how life works, the secret is to always be prepared. :)

Well, maybe nobody will agree with me, maybe I could be wrong, maybe I'm too young to feel that life works this way, maybe I have not yet lived long enough in my life, but that is how I see all that I can not and see otherwise. :)


Awww, thanks ashtanga, that was really beautiful and I really needed to hear that today! You are correct, "trouble don't last always," it is only temporary. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning! He gives us beauty for ashes and the oil of joy for mourning! Thanks so much for restoring my faith. I sometimes have to remind myself that no matter what happens, He's still on His throne!:) What you wrote at the end there kinda reminds me of this song:


You'll Never Walk Alone (Lyrics)

When you walk through a storm
Keep your chin up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown. Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never walk alone





It's heartbreaking to think about when you wish nothing but the best for someone but I believe that in order to be happy in life sometimes you have to eliminate certain things around you. I know, I've done it in my life because negativity is suffocating especially for someone like me who's naturally an optimistic person. I believe happiness is a choice and as painful as letting things go is sometimes, our energy and aura feeds off of what we surround ourself with. I think if he was able to break free from the negativity and all these toxic people that we've been witnessing come out, he would have opened himself up to something free flowing and extremely beautiful.

or

Maybe that was what he was trying to do? Could he have found true love and was working towards making changes in his life so that it would flourish? I guess right now only God knows the answer to that.:)

Yep, it seems like that's exactly what he was trying to do!:yes:

[Ashtanga]

Awww, thanks ashtanga, that was really beautiful and I really needed to hear that today! You are correct, "trouble don't last always," it is only temporary. Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning! He gives us beauty for ashes and the oil of joy for mourning! Thanks so much for restoring my faith. I sometimes have to remind myself that no matter what happens, He's still on His throne!:) What you wrote at the end there kinda reminds me of this song:


You'll Never Walk Alone (Lyrics)

When you walk through a storm
Keep your chin up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown. Walk on, walk on
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never walk alone


Wow!!!! :wild::wild::wild:

That's it! I'm glad that you have become more optimistic and with even greater faith. Life is not so complicated, just be prepared always. Remember that storms and all the bad things always come and end all is well. And God is always at our side giving strength and protection. :angel:

I loved that song. :wub: Thank you for it. This song has a beautiful message. :yes::clapping:

[Moddie777]

Lily, I believe he was indeed making necessary changes in his life so the personal aspects of his life with "her" could flourish.

My dreams and some of his lyrics from the past indicates there were dark forces around him within his own circle and these forces were conspiring against his every move ( in the right direction). They were the darkness that gave him worry, fear and setbacks where as she was the Light that gave him direction, strength and unconditional love.

Michael's messages from recent months before his death indicates he was guided to move forward by this new found energy from within. He had a renewed purpose.

I wonder sometimes, Is part of the reason why he died becuase, he was in love and was going to get Married and be the kind of Husband and father and have the kind of life he always dream of; did that Contribute to his death? Did someone in his circle view his happiness and love for "her" as a Threat to them? Did he die protecting her? In other words, did they ever threaten him that they would do harm to her if he didnt give them what they wanted or play their games?

Since having the dream with the Shadowy figure, I am haunted by these notions.....

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hey all! I know it's a little early, but I wanted to be the first to wish our dear, sweet, precious, Prince Angel Michael a very Happy Birthday! I was inspired to write a little poem. Bear in mind, I'm not a poet (and you know it!). But anyway, I wanted to celebrate him on what would've been his 51st birthday! I wish I could see him. As you all know, he was gettin' pretty cute in his "old" age and today he would've been one year cuter!;D

And, my dear, sweet, precious Michael, well, I never dreamed we'd be celebrating our birthdays this way this year of all years :no:, but I guess sometimes God has other plans.:(
Anyway, I'll try to cheer up just long enough to say:

Here's to you!:cheers:


An Angel Was Born
By MP

On August 29, 1958
An angel was born
So we celebrate this date
An angel on earth is a very rare thing
Not only was he an angel, he was an angel who could sing
As if singing weren’t enough, this angel could also dance
He filled our days with joy and our nights with true romance
He was so amazing; he could do what no one else can
He left you wondering, was he a man, a myth or could he be Superman
He had many other talents so very much untold
But what made us happiest of all was his heart of pure, unadulterated gold
On earth he was not only an angel, but an elegant royal king
He loved and was so loved because he shared not only a little
But he gave us everything
Compassion poured forth from his big, warm, chocolaty brown eyes.
One had to be extra careful ‘cause those things could really hypnotize
His generosity was so great; you wouldn’t be able to rank it
His greatest legacy of all will be Prince, Paris and Blanket
Although this poem is not as great as anything he could write in any way
I just wanted to take a moment to wish our Angel Michael
A very happy B-day
I also want you to always remember, my dear, sweet Angel Prince
Something I hope you’ve known from the start
I will never, ever let you part
For you will always and forever be right here ... in my heart



http://www.angel-guide.com/image-files/angel-cherub-happy-birthday-bouquet.jpg

[8701girl]

An Angel Was Born By MP

On August 29, 1958
An angel was born
So we celebrate this date
An angel on earth is a very rare thing
Not only was he an angel, he was an angel who could sing
As if singing weren’t enough, this angel could also dance
He filled our days with joy and our nights with true romance
He was so amazing; he could do what no one else can
He left you wondering, was he a man, a myth or could he be Superman
He had many other talents so very much untold
But what made us happiest of all was his heart of pure, unadulterated gold
On earth he was not only an angel, but an elegant royal king
He loved and was so loved because he shared not only a little
But he gave us everything
Compassion poured forth from his big, warm, chocolaty brown eyes.
One had to be extra careful ‘cause those things could really hypnotize
His generosity was so great; you wouldn’t be able to rank it
His greatest legacy of all will be Prince, Paris and Blanket
Although this poem is not as great as anything he could write in any way
I just wanted to take a moment to wish our Angel Michael

A very happy B-day
I also want you to always remember, my dear, sweet Angel Prince
Something I hope you’ve known from the start
I will never, ever let you part
For you will always and forever be right here ... in my heart



http://www.angel-guide.com/image-files/angel-cherub-happy-birthday-bouquet.jpg


Aww that was beautiful :wub: :cry:

[ms fairy]

Darn...I just wrote a long post and pushed the button and its gone...sorry about that! Moddie you make some points, also your dreams are interesting. The media during trial said she is very petite but she is not black, she is a oriental mix....mj likes to look like her, dress like her, is like a twin, soul mates. Unfortunately due to the death threats during trial she was unable to be present as the defense key surprise witness. The killers were trying to murder both of them, kill 2 birds with one stone so to speak. She has been under a protection order so we need to be respectful and sensitive. I would think fans will meet her at these set of trials....what a horrible way to meet. They(enemies) all knew they were finally getting married and that was threatening to the enemies, killers, drug dealers as they knew they would be fired and charged, imprisoned. Thriller 25 was their 25 anniversary. It so sad and tragic. I noticed some of the new clips show bride zombies. And also castaway 2 changed to mj stressing she is Not out of my life.
About Matt he isn't a friend, he just wants to appear that he is in the know but not. As for dr. Etok not friends either but she sure has quite the fantasies and lies. She is doing what the others are, covering up and diverting from being charged as drug dealers. There were no baby making plans not with her. There were hopes, plans for MJ and his queen to adopt children in tokyo from that place he checked out while he was there.
Just out of curiosity did you notice when MJ was first promoted for Japan trip it was out of a japan sports magazine instead of music mag, interesting huh?!

[turthlili]

Lily, I believe he was indeed making necessary changes in his life so the personal aspects of his life with "her" could flourish.

My dreams and some of his lyrics from the past indicates there were dark forces around him within his own circle and these forces were conspiring against his every move ( in the right direction). They were the darkness that gave him worry, fear and setbacks where as she was the Light that gave him direction, strength and unconditional love.

Michael's messages from recent months before his death indicates he was guided to move forward by this new found energy from within. He had a renewed purpose.

I wonder sometimes, Is part of the reason why he died becuase, he was in love and was going to get Married and be the kind of Husband and father and have the kind of life he always dream of; did that Contribute to his death? Did someone in his circle view his happiness and love for "her" as a Threat to them? Did he die protecting her? In other words, did they ever threaten him that they would do harm to her if he didnt give them what they wanted or play their games?

Since having the dream with the Shadowy figure, I am haunted by these notions.....

if your theory was ture,
if i was michael, and loved this dream girl so much, i would to die for her safe.~
but if the girl knows that, i think she won't let michael die for her,no matter how others treat her.
that's the love story, how sad~

[TialovesMJ]

Lily, I believe he was indeed making necessary changes in his life so the personal aspects of his life with "her" could flourish.

My dreams and some of his lyrics from the past indicates there were dark forces around him within his own circle and these forces were conspiring against his every move ( in the right direction). They were the darkness that gave him worry, fear and setbacks where as she was the Light that gave him direction, strength and unconditional love.

Michael's messages from recent months before his death indicates he was guided to move forward by this new found energy from within. He had a renewed purpose.

I wonder sometimes, Is part of the reason why he died becuase, he was in love and was going to get Married and be the kind of Husband and father and have the kind of life he always dream of; did that Contribute to his death? Did someone in his circle view his happiness and love for "her" as a Threat to them? Did he die protecting her? In other words, did they ever threaten him that they would do harm to her if he didnt give them what they wanted or play their games?

Since having the dream with the Shadowy figure, I am haunted by these notions.....

If, and i say IF this really did happen then that's so sad. Esp. because if someone in his circle didn't want to see him happy. :angry:

[Moddie777]

Darn...I just wrote a long post and pushed the button and its gone...sorry about that! Moddie you make some points, also your dreams are interesting. The media during trial said she is very petite but she is not black, she is a oriental mix....mj likes to look like her, dress like her, is like a twin, soul mates. Unfortunately due to the death threats during trial she was unable to be present as the defense key surprise witness. The killers were trying to murder both of them, kill 2 birds with one stone so to speak. She has been under a protection order so we need to be respectful and sensitive. I would think fans will meet her at these set of trials....what a horrible way to meet. They(enemies) all knew they were finally getting married and that was threatening to the enemies, killers, drug dealers as they knew they would be fired and charged, imprisoned. Thriller 25 was their 25 anniversary. It so sad and tragic. I noticed some of the new clips show bride zombies. And also castaway 2 changed to mj stressing she is Not out of my life.
About Matt he isn't a friend, he just wants to appear that he is in the know but not. As for dr. Etok not friends either but she sure has quite the fantasies and lies. She is doing what the others are, covering up and diverting from being charged as drug dealers. There were no baby making plans not with her. There were hopes, plans for MJ and his queen to adopt children in tokyo from that place he checked out while he was there.
Just out of curiosity did you notice when MJ was first promoted for Japan trip it was out of a japan sports magazine instead of music mag, interesting huh?!



Interesting Post. Not the first time someone has come in our thread and referenced Thriller25 with "her" and their love. If in fact t25 was for their anniversary then, it's true this woman has been in his life since the 80's?

I didnt know the media had outed her during the trial?

MP, Your poem was very touching and moving. Michael would surely love it.

[summer]

Lily, I believe he was indeed making necessary changes in his life so the personal aspects of his life with "her" could flourish.

My dreams and some of his lyrics from the past indicates there were dark forces around him within his own circle and these forces were conspiring against his every move ( in the right direction). They were the darkness that gave him worry, fear and setbacks where as she was the Light that gave him direction, strength and unconditional love.

Michael's messages from recent months before his death indicates he was guided to move forward by this new found energy from within. He had a renewed purpose.

I wonder sometimes, Is part of the reason why he died becuase, he was in love and was going to get Married and be the kind of Husband and father and have the kind of life he always dream of; did that Contribute to his death? Did someone in his circle view his happiness and love for "her" as a Threat to them? Did he die protecting her? In other words, did they ever threaten him that they would do harm to her if he didnt give them what they wanted or play their games?

Since having the dream with the Shadowy figure, I am haunted by these notions.....


Interesting you say that because even Rebbie said sort of the same thing early 90's...She said that even if MJ found the right lady, there would still be SO many people around him fighting for his time and attention that she would just be seen as a distraction by many people. I need to find the exact quote.

EDIT: Okay, found the part...it's in Katherine's book "My Family, The Jacksons".

Rebbie: "Even if Michael were to find the "perfect" woman tomorrow, I think that he would be reluctant to subject her to the incrediable scrutiny that he's subjected to every day."...."Even if Michael's wife did manage to adopt to life in a fishbowl, she'd also have to cope with the reality of Michael attending meetings on top of meetings, and members of his entourage constantly pulling on him. Some of these people, no doubt, would view her as no more than a competitor for Michael's time." (p.217)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Lily, I believe he was indeed making necessary changes in his life so the personal aspects of his life with "her" could flourish.

My dreams and some of his lyrics from the past indicates there were dark forces around him within his own circle and these forces were conspiring against his every move ( in the right direction). They were the darkness that gave him worry, fear and setbacks where as she was the Light that gave him direction, strength and unconditional love.

Michael's messages from recent months before his death indicates he was guided to move forward by this new found energy from within. He had a renewed purpose.

I wonder sometimes, Is part of the reason why he died becuase, he was in love and was going to get Married and be the kind of Husband and father and have the kind of life he always dream of; did that Contribute to his death? Did someone in his circle view his happiness and love for "her" as a Threat to them? Did he die protecting her? In other words, did they ever threaten him that they would do harm to her if he didnt give them what they wanted or play their games?

Since having the dream with the Shadowy figure, I am haunted by these notions.....




Interesting you say that because even Rebbie said sort of the same thing early 90's...She said that even if MJ found the right lady, there would still be SO many people around him fighting for his time and attention that she would just be seen as a distraction by many people. I need to find the exact quote.

EDIT: Okay, found the part...it's in Katherine's book "My Family, The Jacksons".

Rebbie: "Even if Michael were to find the "perfect" woman tomorrow, I think that he would be reluctant to subject her to the incrediable scrutiny that he's subjected to every day."...."Even if Michael's wife did manage to adopt to life in a fishbowl, she'd also have to cope with the reality of Michael attending meetings on top of meetings, and members of his entourage constantly pulling on him. Some of these people, no doubt, would view her as no more than a competitor for Michael's time." (p.217)

Yep, as hard as it is to accept, in my heart of hearts I believe this pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell.

Edit: Oh, btw, I was curious about something. How was he able to get far as he did when he married LMP and Debbie? Apparently his people didn't block him from at least getting to the marriage stage even if the marriages didn't last. Was it because he didn't make as many changes in his life before marrying them so his people didn't see them as a threat necessarily? Was he making bigger changes in his life this time around for this particular relationship that may have affected them personally and that's why they were so threatened by this new relationship?

[Moddie777]

Interesting you say that because even Rebbie said sort of the same thing early 90's...She said that even if MJ found the right lady, there would still be SO many people around him fighting for his time and attention that she would just be seen as a distraction by many people. I need to find the exact quote.

EDIT: Okay, found the part...it's in Katherine's book "My Family, The Jacksons".

Rebbie: "Even if Michael were to find the "perfect" woman tomorrow, I think that he would be reluctant to subject her to the incrediable scrutiny that he's subjected to every day."...."Even if Michael's wife did manage to adopt to life in a fishbowl, she'd also have to cope with the reality of Michael attending meetings on top of meetings, and members of his entourage constantly pulling on him. Some of these people, no doubt, would view her as no more than a competitor for Michael's time." (p.217)


Wow Summer, that is eery( part w/Rebbie Quote), seems like Rebbie knew more than she was telling.

So in other words, the fact that this woman had returned to him and he was happy about it, caused many in his circle, to possibly plot against the two of them so he could never officially be with her, the way his lyrics and clues indicates he wanted too.

Tragic.

[Moddie777]

Yep, as hard as it is to accept, in my heart of hearts I believe this pretty much sums it all up in a nutshell.

Edit: Oh, btw, I was curious about something. How was he able to get far as he did when he married LMP and Debbie? Apparently his people didn't block him from at least getting to the marriage stage even if the marriages didn't last. Was it because he didn't make as many changes in his life before marrying them so his people didn't see them as a threat necessarily? Was he making bigger changes in his life this time around for this particular relationship that may have affected them personally and that's why they were so threatened by this new relationship?


I dont get the impression, his handlers were at all Threatened by LMP or Debbie, If they were, the marriages never would have happened.

The very fact that it seems they were not threatened should speak volumes as to the true nature of both of these marriages.

In other words, could it be saying these marraiges though Legal and Binding were just a farce? Designed for other purposes other than true love brought together and blessed by God?

[8701girl]

I actually reckon mikes handlers would be more threatned by LMP then debbie

[MJJ_luv1991]

I dont get the impression, his handlers were at all Threatened by LMP or Debbie, If they were, the marriages never would have happened.

The very fact that it seems they were not threatened should speak volumes as to the true nature of both of these marriages.

In other words, could it be saying these marraiges though Legal and Binding were just a farce? Designed for other purposes other than true love brought together and blessed by God?

Maybe they were, who knows?

Lisa Marie has said herself that she and Michael loved each other, and Michael did too, and the marriage was not a publicity stunt.
Michael married Debbie just so she could have his children, which LMP would not give him. I believe that Michael and LMP's marriage could have lasted or lasted longer if they had had children. I also read somewhere that Michael and LMP were seeing each other for about 2 years after they divorced, when he was married to Debbie. I've heard there are pictures out there of that somewhere, but I'm trying to find them (unless someone already has).

[Ashtanga]

Wow!!! Lisa and Debbie still matter yields and discussion. I'm impressed. Once I was told that those who live in the past is the museum.

Lisa... well, after the divorce she did not say things very nice and sweet about Michael and his marriage to him and I hated that her behavior. I think Lisa did it when she did not reason right and forget that what happens within a marriage is a private matter that should be discussed with Michael and not with the world as she did, opening his mouth and talking too much. Lisa may have loved Michael in her ways, but that love was not enough for Michael. He needed more than that. The true love overcomes all obstacles and problems. It was not what happened in this case.
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Debbie... only gave children to Michael that he could carry out his dream of being a father. And I'm glad she has given and provided that happiness to him. Debbie has two great gifts to Michael. It was just that and nothing more.

So...

In my opinion (I know nobody will agree with me), Michael never met a woman who could love him with truth and the way he needed. Do not simply love, it takes a lot more that is Michael Jackson. So, Michael could never find a woman who could love him with truth, to engage him with all his strength and whole without any fear of living that love with Michael, a sincere and unconditional love and give it much, much, much more than love.

So, Michael was never able to truly live a love story. He never knew what is really being loved by someone. He searched a lot for that true love to live a beautiful love story and be completely happy in all areas of your life, but never found.

[Ape]

I don't know how true Magic and the Madness is but I believe I read somewhere in there that Michael said that if he were to meet someone to marry, that he wouldn't continue working or entertaining. He would spend his time with her. So... that could also fall into these theories in whatever way..... as being a threat?

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow!!! Lisa and Debbie still matter yields and discussion. I'm impressed. Once I was told that those who live in the past is the museum.

Ha! Ha! Cute ashtanga!;D Trying to live in the past? Nah! I could really do without ever going back there again! But then again, they say those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it. No, really, it was not so much about MJ's past wives as it was about me trying to figure out why the people around him were sooooo threatened by his new relationship when they were never that threatened before. Just curious as to what made the big difference this time around.





Lisa... well, after the divorce she did not say things very nice and sweet about Michael and his marriage to him and I hated that her behavior. I think Lisa did it when she did not reason right and forget that what happens within a marriage is a private matter that should be discussed with Michael and not with the world as she did, opening his mouth and talking too much.

Heh, heh, have you never heard the saying, "Hell hath no fury ..."?:D




In my opinion (I know nobody will agree with me), Michael never met a woman who could love him with truth and the way he needed. Do not simply love, it takes a lot more that is Michael Jackson. So, Michael could never find a woman who could love him with truth, to engage him with all his strength and whole without any fear of living that love with Michael, a sincere and unconditional love and give it much, much, much more than love.

So, Michael was never able to truly live a love story. He never knew what is really being loved by someone. He searched a lot for that true love to live a beautiful love story and be completely happy in all areas of your life, but never found.

Don't hurt me for not agreeing with you!:cheeky: But really, it seems like those around him were pretty threatened by somethin'!

[turthlili]

i just want michael alive~
hope he could find ture love in his next life, could live free, love free,not so complicated~

[TialovesMJ]

I wish MJ could have found someone who he could love and vice versa. Someone he could trust.. IDk if he ever found that though? yeah he loved lmp *cringe* (sorry no offense that women was harsh towards MJ* but i wish that MJ found someone who he could share his love with romantically. (im talking after lmp and deb.)

[Moddie777]

I don't know how true Magic and the Madness is but I believe I read somewhere in there that Michael said that if he were to meet someone to marry, that he wouldn't continue working or entertaining. He would spend his time with her. So... that could also fall into these theories in whatever way..... as being a threat?



Bingo! Things were going to be different in his life with "her. I guess Michael must have shown them in his preparation for their future or maybe even vocalized it not realizing the harm that would cost them both.

The dark forces in his own camp were Threatened by this upcoming change.

[Moddie777]

Something I thought of very late lastnight but forgot to mention it here earlier today:

If all this is true about there really being a "her" in his life and him wanting to Marry and finally be fullfilled and completely happy, wouldn't Michael have UPDATED his Will AND wouldn't it include her in some capacity? Wouldn't there be some legal documentation
with her name identifying this relationship?

Someone posted on this forum somewhere( cant remember which thread), that MJ either updated his "will" during the trial cause he felt people were trying to kill him or he "wanted to update his will", cause he knew people were trying to kill him.
Dont know how this person got a hold of that info but it was posted as if it were Fact and not opinion.

My point is: I do not believe the 2002 "Will" from Branca is the latest and most recent Michael Jackson Will. If our Michael was headed down the aisle of holy matrimoney, he would have at least been in the beginnging stages of making changes to include "her" in his will.
In 2002 Michael was singing of lonliness, there were no clues she had come back to him, but after the Trial we learned from him in a statement that she was there when he needed her the most. She would not be in the Trust, cause according to his own clues, she had not returned to him in 2002. In that year, he was releasing songs about longing for someone who was at a distance.

This is just another reason why I am very suspicious of the Executors and their Fake Will.

[TialovesMJ]

Something I thought of very late lastnight but forgot to mention it here earlier today:

If all this is true about there really being a "her" in his life and him wanting to Marry and finally be fullfilled and completely happy, wouldn't Michael have UPDATED his Will AND wouldn't it include her in some capacity? Wouldn't there be some legal documentation
with her name identifying this relationship?

Someone posted on this forum somewhere( cant remember which thread), that MJ either updated his "will" during the trial cause he felt people were trying to kill him or he "wanted to update his will", cause he knew people were trying to kill him.
Dont know how this person got a hold of that info but it was posted as if it were Fact and not opinion.

My point is: I do not believe the 2002 "Will" from Branca is the latest and most recent Michael Jackson Will. If our Michael was headed down the aisle of holy matrimoney, he would have at least been in the beginnging stages of making changes to include "her" in his will.
In 2002 Michael was singing of lonliness, there were no clues she had come back to him, but after the Trial we learned from him in a statement that she was there when he needed her the most. She would not be in the Trust, cause according to his own clues, she had not returned to him in 2002. In that year, he was releasing songs about longing for someone who was at a distance.

This is just another reason why I am very suspicious of the Executors and their Fake Will.

You do bring up a good point. Maybe there is a more updated Will and maybe MJ put "her" on it? But maybe the executors didn't want to put out the new will because she was in the will. hmmmmm

[Ashtanga]

Ha! Ha! Cute ashtanga!;D Trying to live in the past? Nah! I could really do without ever going back there again! But then again, they say those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it. No, really, it was not so much about MJ's past wives as it was about me trying to figure out why the people around him were sooooo threatened by his new relationship when they were never that threatened before. Just curious as to what made the big difference this time around.




Heh, heh, have you never heard the saying, "Hell hath no fury ..."?:D



Don't hurt me for not agreeing with you!:cheeky: But really, it seems like those around him were pretty threatened by somethin'!
:smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes: :fortuneteller::fortuneteller::fortuneteller:

Hmmmmmmmmmm :scratch:(Ashtanga thinking, thinking, thinking...)

So...

Do not worry that I will not hurt you for not agreeing with me...

Ok. But I'll keep my silence on this subject. I'd rather not say anything about it. :cheeky:

[8701girl]

Don't hurt me for not agreeing with you!:cheeky: But really, it seems like those around him were pretty threatened by somethin'!



I agree

[cleopatra1975]

i have to say people the secret witness was never told in the news..i never heard it before.also i think if she was in his will the kids wouldnt be with katharine. whatever it is the lady would know his will.dont want to say much but i dont believe in the secret witness story.i havent read anything about her and what i know law doesnt care for if anyone is in danger or not.they document all. it is and was always like this.if there is a witness they document it. i think it is a story a lady fabricated in the internet and other places.and it was not their 25th anniversary.i heard sooo many stories and all. tons of ladies telling about their secret relationship. michael was in love but platonic.i think he got a telepathic relationship with this lady.he saw her and knew and followed her and saw many things in common.couldnt reach at her cause he didnt want to put her in the spotlight.he knew she wanted her free life cause he was the same. there were probably other things too which kept them apart.
sooner or later one day we will learn about it. until this moment we can only assume.
moddie still waiting for your interesting dreams. hugggs to all

[Lily]

The media during trial said she is very petite but she is not black, she is a oriental mix....mj likes to look like her, dress like her, is like a twin, soul mates. Unfortunately due to the death threats during trial she was unable to be present as the defense key surprise witness. The killers were trying to murder both of them, kill 2 birds with one stone so to speak. She has been under a protection order so we need to be respectful and sensitive. I would think fans will meet her at these set of trials....what a horrible way to meet. They(enemies) all knew they were finally getting married and that was threatening to the enemies, killers, drug dealers as they knew they would be fired and charged, imprisoned. Thriller 25 was their 25 anniversary. It so sad and tragic. I noticed some of the new clips show bride zombies. And also castaway 2 changed to mj stressing she is Not out of my life.
About Matt he isn't a friend, he just wants to appear that he is in the know but not. As for dr. Etok not friends either but she sure has quite the fantasies and lies. She is doing what the others are, covering up and diverting from being charged as drug dealers. There were no baby making plans not with her. There were hopes, plans for MJ and his queen to adopt children in tokyo from that place he checked out while he was there.
Just out of curiosity did you notice when MJ was first promoted for Japan trip it was out of a japan sports magazine instead of music mag, interesting huh?!

Well that's a new one.....:wtf:


I dont get the impression, his handlers were at all Threatened by LMP or Debbie, If they were, the marriages never would have happened.

The very fact that it seems they were not threatened should speak volumes as to the true nature of both of these marriages.

In other words, could it be saying these marraiges though Legal and Binding were just a farce? Designed for other purposes other than true love brought together and blessed by God?

I agree with this, imo it seemed more of business arrangements.

That's all I have to say about that one. lol


But then again, they say those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it.

This is so true.


No, really, it was not so much about MJ's past wives as it was about me trying to figure out why the people around him were sooooo threatened by his new relationship when they were never that threatened before. Just curious as to what made the big difference this time around.

But really, it seems like those around him were pretty threatened by somethin'!

Maybe he made it known it was for real this time around? She would have his back and some people felt they were going to lose their control and ability to manipulate MJ because she wasn't going to allow it to happen. I dunno.....



If all this is true about there really being a "her" in his life and him wanting to Marry and finally be fullfilled and completely happy, wouldn't Michael have UPDATED his Will AND wouldn't it include her in some capacity? Wouldn't there be some legal documentation with her name identifying this relationship?

Someone posted on this forum somewhere( cant remember which thread), that MJ either updated his "will" during the trial cause he felt people were trying to kill him or he "wanted to update his will", cause he knew people were trying to kill him.
Dont know how this person got a hold of that info but it was posted as if it were Fact and not opinion.

My point is: I do not believe the 2002 "Will" from Branca is the latest and most recent Michael Jackson Will. If our Michael was headed down the aisle of holy matrimoney, he would have at least been in the beginnging stages of making changes to include "her" in his will.
In 2002 Michael was singing of lonliness, there were no clues she had come back to him, but after the Trial we learned from him in a statement that she was there when he needed her the most. She would not be in the Trust, cause according to his own clues, she had not returned to him in 2002. In that year, he was releasing songs about longing for someone who was at a distance.

This is just another reason why I am very suspicious of the Executors and their Fake Will.

It could be because this is not a person from his past (prior to 2002) but someone that came into his life more recently, like in these past several years. Maybe during the trial? or soon thereafter? I dunno, but I have always felt and have stated that he had a noticeable energy change happen these past few years. Possibly a relationship that he was in the transition of making work so does someone make legal amendments (e.g. to a will) without the legality of marriage or a binding commitment of some kind? I don't know that I would, but that's jmo. If we never find out who she is, that's ok with me, her privacy is hers and obviously he felt the same if she really does exist. He respected her, and she him, and for that reason alone I don't believe she will ever share the love she felt for him with the world. It's THEIR special memories and sacred bond that lives eternally in THEIR hearts and is not meant for others to see.

[Moddie777]

Lily

It could be because this is not a person from his past (prior to 2002) but someone that came into his life more recently, like in these past several years. Maybe during the trial? or soon thereafter? I dunno, but I have always felt and have stated that he had a noticeable energy change happen these past few years. Possibly a relationship that he was in the transition of making work so does someone make legal amendments (e.g. to a will) without the legality of marriage or a binding commitment of some kind? I don't know that I would, but that's jmo. If we never find out who she is, that's ok with me, her privacy is hers and obviously he felt the same if she really does exist. He respected her, and she him, and for that reason alone I don't believe she will ever share the love she felt for him with the world. It's THEIR special memories and sacred bond that lives eternally in THEIR hearts and is not meant for others to see.[/QUOTE]




But I wanna see it, I wanna see it, mommy please! ( Kicking and Screaming), lol.

[summer]

Something I thought of very late lastnight but forgot to mention it here earlier today:

If all this is true about there really being a "her" in his life and him wanting to Marry and finally be fullfilled and completely happy, wouldn't Michael have UPDATED his Will AND wouldn't it include her in some capacity? Wouldn't there be some legal documentation
with her name identifying this relationship?

Someone posted on this forum somewhere( cant remember which thread), that MJ either updated his "will" during the trial cause he felt people were trying to kill him or he "wanted to update his will", cause he knew people were trying to kill him.
Dont know how this person got a hold of that info but it was posted as if it were Fact and not opinion.

My point is: I do not believe the 2002 "Will" from Branca is the latest and most recent Michael Jackson Will. If our Michael was headed down the aisle of holy matrimoney, he would have at least been in the beginnging stages of making changes to include "her" in his will.
In 2002 Michael was singing of lonliness, there were no clues she had come back to him, but after the Trial we learned from him in a statement that she was there when he needed her the most. She would not be in the Trust, cause according to his own clues, she had not returned to him in 2002. In that year, he was releasing songs about longing for someone who was at a distance.

This is just another reason why I am very suspicious of the Executors and their Fake Will.

Don't know how true this is (since so much of the article is complete CRAP written by Ian Halperin..)...but if it is, MJ was apparently writing a new will in London 2009. :scratch:
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=33781

"I’ve been told his behaviour became increasingly erratic during his trip to London. He took prescription drugs and sat up all night writing. One aide insists it was another will which, if legally sound, would supersede the July 2002 document released last week. The aide said: ‘That night he stayed awake writing. I asked Michael, “What are you doing?” He answered: “I’m writing my will.” While the will might not have been legally finalised, it exists somewhere.’

[Sdeidjs]

Something I thought of very late lastnight but forgot to mention it here earlier today:

If all this is true about there really being a "her" in his life and him wanting to Marry and finally be fullfilled and completely happy, wouldn't Michael have UPDATED his Will AND wouldn't it include her in some capacity? Wouldn't there be some legal documentation
with her name identifying this relationship?

Someone posted on this forum somewhere( cant remember which thread), that MJ either updated his "will" during the trial cause he felt people were trying to kill him or he "wanted to update his will", cause he knew people were trying to kill him.
Dont know how this person got a hold of that info but it was posted as if it were Fact and not opinion.

My point is: I do not believe the 2002 "Will" from Branca is the latest and most recent Michael Jackson Will. If our Michael was headed down the aisle of holy matrimoney, he would have at least been in the beginnging stages of making changes to include "her" in his will.
In 2002 Michael was singing of lonliness, there were no clues she had come back to him, but after the Trial we learned from him in a statement that she was there when he needed her the most. She would not be in the Trust, cause according to his own clues, she had not returned to him in 2002. In that year, he was releasing songs about longing for someone who was at a distance.

This is just another reason why I am very suspicious of the Executors and their Fake Will.

Maybe she never cared about any of that stuff (money, fame, fortune, a will, things etc.)...maybe all she ever cared about is Mr.Jackson the "human being" ...

:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[TialovesMJ]

Maybe she never cared about any of that stuff (money, fame, fortune, a will, things etc.)...maybe all she ever cared about is Mr.Jackson the "human being" ...

:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

:clap:

[Moddie777]

Don't know how true this is (since so much of the article is complete CRAP written by Ian Halperin..)...but if it is, MJ was apparently writing a new will in London 2009. :scratch:
http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=33781

"I’ve been told his behaviour became increasingly erratic during his trip to London. He took prescription drugs and sat up all night writing. One aide insists it was another will which, if legally sound, would supersede the July 2002 document released last week. The aide said: ‘That night he stayed awake writing. I asked Michael, “What are you doing?” He answered: “I’m writing my will.” While the will might not have been legally finalised, it exists somewhere.’


Very Interesting Summer, very Interesting indeed. I had not seen this before.

If this is true, this angle should be investigated.

[8701girl]

Maybe she never cared about any of that stuff (money, fame, fortune, a will, things etc.)...maybe all she ever cared about is Mr.Jackson the "human being" ...


I sure hope so :D

Its a nice thought to think that he had someone like that in his life. Someone who loved him for who he was on the inside, and not for the $$$$ or anything else that was in his life that wasnt really meaningful.

I truly belive that was all he ever wanted, someone to love and someone to love back with no questions asked. isnt that what we all want in life?

[TialovesMJ]

Moddie have you had anymore dreams?

[Ashtanga]

I sure hope so :D

Its a nice thought to think that he had someone like that in his life. Someone who loved him for who he was on the inside, and not for the $$$$ or anything else that was in his life that wasnt really meaningful.

I truly belive that was all he ever wanted, someone to love and someone to love back with no questions asked. isnt that what we all want in life?

I have a vision so different about it. :yes: For me, being Michael Jackson or any other celebrity has always been and always will be difficult to find real people and reliable, but not impossible. This is the bad side, because you never know if people are with you for who you really are or the money and fame you have. There are false and that people wear masks to hide their real identity. They cheat and lie with great skill that is often hard to see that there is a lie, then that leaves the blind person and can not see the real identity of that person. It's like hypnosis, you believe blindly in person. :yes:

I'm sure it was something that Michael learned early in life: "never trust people." Well, you can trust, but always suspicious. Never rely 100% on a person and is always wide-eyed. The world is full of bad people and they do evil to each other, but I believe that humans are kind and special lost out there and these are rarities in the world. Who found this rarity, will be a very lucky person. :yes::)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hey, ashtanga, time for you to put on your private detective thinking cap and help me solve another little mystery. O.k. Sherlock?:cheeky:
This may seem a little off topic, but at the same time, maybe it isn't. I know that someone brought this up a while ago, but it's something that has remained unanswered and I've been curious about. Well, what has got me curious is a certain line in the chorus of the song "Threatened." The line is the one that is bolded below:

You should be watching me, you should feel threatened
Why you sleep, why you creep, you should be threatened
Every time your lady speaks she speaks to me, threatened
Half of me you’ll never be, so you should feel threatened by me

So, whaddya think about that? What exactly is he inferring here? Is he saying that he is interested in some other guy's lady or perhaps this other guy's lady is interested in him and he's taunting the other guy with this info or what? I know that it's a strange and unique song, but I know you have a pretty sharp mind. Lemme know what you think.

[Ashtanga]

Hey, ashtanga, time for you to put on your private detective thinking cap and help me solve another little mystery. O.k. Sherlock?:cheeky:
This may seem a little off topic, but at the same time, maybe it isn't. I know that someone brought this up a while ago, but it's something that has remained unanswered and I've been curious about. Well, what has got me curious is a certain line in the chorus of the song "Threatened." The line is the one that is bolded below:

You should be watching me, you should feel threatened
Why you sleep, why you creep, you should be threatened
Every time your lady speaks she speaks to me, threatened
Half of me you’ll never be, so you should feel threatened by me

So, whaddya think about that? What exactly is he inferring here? Is he saying that he is interested in some other guy's lady or perhaps this other guy's lady is interested in him and he's taunting the other guy with this info or what? I know that it's a strange and unique song, but I know you have a pretty sharp mind. Lemme know what you think.
:wild::wild::wild:
Thanks for the compliment! I love the Sherlock Holmes and I think I could be his assistant: Sherlock Girl. It would be a great partnership. lol!

On this piece of music in bold... Well, I'm not good at commenting and analyzing music that to me is something very personal, only the creator is able to answer our questions about his work. :yes: So I will leave this mystery for our friends here uncover the topic. I'm sure that will make a great analysis. And I'll be following the result.

Meanwhile, I'll try to uncover other great mysteries. lol! :smilerolleyes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

On this piece of music in bold... Well, I'm not good at commenting and analyzing music that to me is something very personal, only the creator is able to answer our questions about his work. :yes: So I will leave this mystery for our friends here uncover the topic. I'm sure that will make a great analysis. And I'll be following the result.


Awwww, chickening out on me, eh?;D

Well, I guess I'm left to answer my own question. What I think is, that that doesn't sound very "MJ-like" to me. He never seemed like the kind of guy who would taunt another guy. I wonder if there was someone in MJ's life who was taunting him(MJ) and that was what the song was trying to convey? Maybe MJ was not playing himself in the song, but the part of the someone who was bullying him(MJ). Question is, who was taunting/bullying MJ like that? Confusing, I know, but then again, it's a pretty unique and mysterious song, eh?

[Moddie777]

The Morning after our Sweet, Sweet Angel Michael is finally laid to Rest.

I had another Dream Lastnight. I don't remember alot but you'll need to do one thing for me before you began reading. Picture a Dark( mood)"B" Rated horror flick. This is very, very Disturbing.

In the dream, I see a house. It's a run down, old house, almost unliveable. I can make out the color it looks to be white but the alot of the paint is chipped.
Inside I see "her", she is pleading with a black woman to take her out of there. She wants to leave and she is very uncomfortable with the people she sees. It's clear to me, she doesn't want to be around them or in that house. She is freaked out. The black woman gives her a Sly look, when "she" is looking away observing the people in the house, but as "she" looks back at the black woman who is standing to her left, the black woman's expression turns from the Sly look to a smile within a milisecond.

There are people in this run down house, they had been Celebrating Something. Jumping up and down and smiling and laughing loudly. Their clothes are not well kept, the colors were not black but not bright either. During their celebration, these vile people danced. There was a feeling that these people were No Good. These are not people you'd want to meet on a darken street corner if you became lost and needed help.
These people made her very uncomfortable. I got the sense, the other woman had brought "Her" there and did not wish to leave.

I could not see our Michael but his presense was real and very much in that run down house!!!!I felt him WATCHING very still and quietly as all of this took place. He was not watching from the ground level. I felt he was Elevated. His presense was very strong. And there was absolutely no fear coming from him but he was intensely watching EVERYTHING.
Seconds after the celebration, the vile people began a "Clean up". They used liquid cleaning agents from a plactic squirt bottle with a nozzle on it. There was the presense of BLOOD. I did not see it but I could feel it was part of whatever had taken place in that run down house. I could not get a good look at their faces. Most of them had their backs showing as they cleaned with Gloves on, they were scrubbing everywhere in the house, ALL OF THEM.
I knew something was purposely being hidden.

"She" began begging and pleading to the other woman wanting her to take "her" away from there. The black woman, said something to "her" about putting on her shoes first, then I saw the black woman slightly bend to her left to get a shoe on, She was in no hurry.
Then I saw a shirtless black man sit down on an old rusted chair. He looked as if someone had just kicked him in the stomach. He almost looked as if he was in shock. His hair was a little messy and I got the impression he had been in an altercation in the house with someone but I didnt see it. His lip appeared to be swollen from being hit in it.
The black woman came over to sit in a chair next to him, she bend down and almost in a whispered voice began talking to him. He never gave her eye contact. He looked at the floor.
The black woman asked him, was he going to be ok. He answered her but i could not make out what he said.

There was old food still in plates that looked as if it had been sitting on a table and the counter for days. The walls didnt look like walls, it appeared like the walls had all rusted away leaving just the wooden frames underneath (what used to be walls).


The next thing I can remember, the two woman are standing outside the house and they began to argue. "She" is very upset with this black woman. I can not make out any words from either woman but there was intense dialogue from them both.

Also in this dream, I saw 2 of my male relatives. One who is deceased but in the dream he was alive but sleeping on an old dirty couch with no legs. The other relative was in his under clothes; white fruit of the looms and shirtless, he too appeared to be trying to go sleep but couldnt with the activity in the house, he got up and I saw his legs and feet, I think he was trying to find quiet place to rest. Both of these two men from my own personal family are known to have lived very fast and violent lives. They had many woman, children born outside of their marriages and they use to beat their wives.

I can not even fathom my emotions right now. I've had little sleep. I stayed up watching the burial.

[Moddie777]

Guys, where are you?

[Sdeidjs]

I sure hope so :D

Its a nice thought to think that he had someone like that in his life. Someone who loved him for who he was on the inside, and not for the $$$$ or anything else that was in his life that wasnt really meaningful.

I truly belive that was all he ever wanted, someone to love and someone to love back with no questions asked. isnt that what we all want in life?

;D

:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[TialovesMJ]

The Morning after our Sweet, Sweet Angel Michael is finally laid to Rest.

I had another Dream Lastnight. I don't remember alot but you'll need to do one thing for me before you began reading. Picture a Dark( mood)"B" Rated horror flick. This is very, very Disturbing.

In the dream, I see a house. It's a run down, old house, almost unliveable. I can make out the color it looks to be white but the alot of the paint is chipped.
Inside I see "her", she is pleading with a black woman to take her out of there. She wants to leave and she is very uncomfortable with the people she sees. It's clear to me, she doesn't want to be around them or in that house. She is freaked out. The black woman gives her a Sly look, when "she" is looking away observing the people in the house, but as "she" looks back at the black woman who is standing to her left, the black woman's expression turns from the Sly look to a smile within a milisecond.

There are people in this run down house, they had been Celebrating Something. Jumping up and down and smiling and laughing loudly. Their clothes are not well kept, the colors were not black but not bright either. During their celebration, these vile people danced. There was a feeling that these people were No Good. These are not people you'd want to meet on a darken street corner if you became lost and needed help.
These people made her very uncomfortable. I got the sense, the other woman had brought "Her" there and did not wish to leave.

I could not see our Michael but his presense was real and very much in that run down house!!!!I felt him WATCHING very still and quietly as all of this took place. He was not watching from the ground level. I felt he was Elevated. His presense was very strong. And there was absolutely no fear coming from him but he was intensely watching EVERYTHING.
Seconds after the celebration, the vile people began a "Clean up". They used liquid cleaning agents from a plactic squirt bottle with a nozzle on it. There was the presense of BLOOD. I did not see it but I could feel it was part of whatever had taken place in that run down house. I could not get a good look at their faces. Most of them had their backs showing as they cleaned with Gloves on, they were scrubbing everywhere in the house, ALL OF THEM.
I knew something was purposely being hidden.

"She" began begging and pleading to the other woman wanting her to take "her" away from there. The black woman, said something to "her" about putting on her shoes first, then I saw the black woman slightly bend to her left to get a shoe on, She was in no hurry.
Then I saw a shirtless black man sit down on an old rusted chair. He looked as if someone had just kicked him in the stomach. He almost looked as if he was in shock. His hair was a little messy and I got the impression he had been in an altercation in the house with someone but I didnt see it. His lip appeared to be swollen from being hit in it.
The black woman came over to sit in a chair next to him, she bend down and almost in a whispered voice began talking to him. He never gave her eye contact. He looked at the floor.
The black woman asked him, was he going to be ok. He answered her but i could not make out what he said.

There was old food still in plates that looked as if it had been sitting on a table and the counter for days. The walls didnt look like walls, it appeared like the walls had all rusted away leaving just the wooden frames underneath (what used to be walls).


The next thing I can remember, the two woman are standing outside the house and they began to argue. "She" is very upset with this black woman. I can not make out any words from either woman but there was intense dialogue from them both.

Also in this dream, I saw 2 of my male relatives. One who is deceased but in the dream he was alive but sleeping on an old dirty couch with no legs. The other relative was in his under clothes; white fruit of the looms and shirtless, he too appeared to be trying to go sleep but couldnt with the activity in the house, he got up and I saw his legs and feet, I think he was trying to find quiet place to rest. Both of these two men from my own personal family are known to have lived very fast and violent lives. They had many woman, children born outside of their marriages and they use to beat their wives.

I can not even fathom my emotions right now. I've had little sleep. I stayed up watching the burial.


This dream seems very dark.. Lets see if MP can interept this!!!Hopefully. There are so many thing i want to know about this dream.

[Moddie777]

Yes MJbabe21, it's very dark and surprisingly enough, I wasn't all scared when I woke up.

There was no anxiety, only greatfulness, our Michael is finally resting.

Hurry, MP, Lily, summer, 8701girl, AllForMJ, Ape!

[Ape]

Oh wow Moddie. I came here hoping to tell you all about how the first day of shooting went but I don't really want to take away from Moddie's dream here so I'll just say it was incredible and it was nice to find out that I really am a good actress :-) . It felt amazing, but I now have a headache and a raw throat from the days work. Interestingly enough, when I started to read your dream, it really reminded me of the feel of the scene we just shot. The intensity of it was similar and it was quite dark in emotion.
Not the same happenings, but the way you described the setting, it was very similar. When you mentioned MJ's presence in it up high, it made me imagine him as director on a boom high up.

I'm sorry I can't really add much to the interpretation of your dream. It actually felt good to watch MJ's funeral last night (what they showed of it). Somehow peaceful. Maybe that sounds strange. It's not that I want him gone, I really don't want him dead, but it felt peaceful.

Anyways, I just got back from the films first day of shooting (which was such a rush. I LOVE acting so much. It's hard to go to places with such raw emotion, but healing.) and I wanted to let you all know since you here were one of the first ones I had told when I got the role.

Edit: This is the set of the bathroom that they made where we shot today.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/courtesy-productions/84141714677?v=wall&viewas=510594292#/video/video.php?v=280729775264 hope that works.

[8701girl]

I have a vision so different about it. :yes: For me, being Michael Jackson or any other celebrity has always been and always will be difficult to find real people and reliable, but not impossible. This is the bad side, because you never know if people are with you for who you really are or the money and fame you have. There are false and that people wear masks to hide their real identity. They cheat and lie with great skill that is often hard to see that there is a lie, then that leaves the blind person and can not see the real identity of that person. It's like hypnosis, you believe blindly in person. :yes:

I'm sure it was something that Michael learned early in life: "never trust people." Well, you can trust, but always suspicious. Never rely 100% on a person and is always wide-eyed. The world is full of bad people and they do evil to each other, but I believe that humans are kind and special lost out there and these are rarities in the world. Who found this rarity, will be a very lucky person. :yes::)


I think that what mike did, trusted ppl in the beginning but then when things started to unfold.. that when all the trust left. He felt so hurt by constantly being hurt and backstabbed, but he still was looking for "that someone" to bring his faith back up and hoping it will never be put down again.

[8701girl]

The Morning after our Sweet, Sweet Angel Michael is finally laid to Rest.

I had another Dream Lastnight. I don't remember alot but you'll need to do one thing for me before you began reading. Picture a Dark( mood)"B" Rated horror flick. This is very, very Disturbing.

In the dream, I see a house. It's a run down, old house, almost unliveable. I can make out the color it looks to be white but the alot of the paint is chipped.
Inside I see "her", she is pleading with a black woman to take her out of there. She wants to leave and she is very uncomfortable with the people she sees. It's clear to me, she doesn't want to be around them or in that house. She is freaked out. The black woman gives her a Sly look, when "she" is looking away observing the people in the house, but as "she" looks back at the black woman who is standing to her left, the black woman's expression turns from the Sly look to a smile within a milisecond.

There are people in this run down house, they had been Celebrating Something. Jumping up and down and smiling and laughing loudly. Their clothes are not well kept, the colors were not black but not bright either. During their celebration, these vile people danced. There was a feeling that these people were No Good. These are not people you'd want to meet on a darken street corner if you became lost and needed help.
These people made her very uncomfortable. I got the sense, the other woman had brought "Her" there and did not wish to leave.

I could not see our Michael but his presense was real and very much in that run down house!!!!I felt him WATCHING very still and quietly as all of this took place. He was not watching from the ground level. I felt he was Elevated. His presense was very strong. And there was absolutely no fear coming from him but he was intensely watching EVERYTHING.
Seconds after the celebration, the vile people began a "Clean up". They used liquid cleaning agents from a plactic squirt bottle with a nozzle on it. There was the presense of BLOOD. I did not see it but I could feel it was part of whatever had taken place in that run down house. I could not get a good look at their faces. Most of them had their backs showing as they cleaned with Gloves on, they were scrubbing everywhere in the house, ALL OF THEM.
I knew something was purposely being hidden.

"She" began begging and pleading to the other woman wanting her to take "her" away from there. The black woman, said something to "her" about putting on her shoes first, then I saw the black woman slightly bend to her left to get a shoe on, She was in no hurry.
Then I saw a shirtless black man sit down on an old rusted chair. He looked as if someone had just kicked him in the stomach. He almost looked as if he was in shock. His hair was a little messy and I got the impression he had been in an altercation in the house with someone but I didnt see it. His lip appeared to be swollen from being hit in it.
The black woman came over to sit in a chair next to him, she bend down and almost in a whispered voice began talking to him. He never gave her eye contact. He looked at the floor.
The black woman asked him, was he going to be ok. He answered her but i could not make out what he said.

There was old food still in plates that looked as if it had been sitting on a table and the counter for days. The walls didnt look like walls, it appeared like the walls had all rusted away leaving just the wooden frames underneath (what used to be walls).


The next thing I can remember, the two woman are standing outside the house and they began to argue. "She" is very upset with this black woman. I can not make out any words from either woman but there was intense dialogue from them both.

Also in this dream, I saw 2 of my male relatives. One who is deceased but in the dream he was alive but sleeping on an old dirty couch with no legs. The other relative was in his under clothes; white fruit of the looms and shirtless, he too appeared to be trying to go sleep but couldnt with the activity in the house, he got up and I saw his legs and feet, I think he was trying to find quiet place to rest. Both of these two men from my own personal family are known to have lived very fast and violent lives. They had many woman, children born outside of their marriages and they use to beat their wives.

I can not even fathom my emotions right now. I've had little sleep. I stayed up watching the burial.

Moodie, your dream seems scary and very dark. Im getting the feeling that the black woman and "her" were maybe fighting over mike..i dont know .. maybe

[MysteriousPhoenix]

The Morning after our Sweet, Sweet Angel Michael is finally laid to Rest.

I had another Dream Lastnight. I don't remember alot but you'll need to do one thing for me before you began reading. Picture a Dark( mood)"B" Rated horror flick. This is very, very Disturbing.

In the dream, I see a house. It's a run down, old house, almost unliveable. I can make out the color it looks to be white but the alot of the paint is chipped.
Inside I see "her", she is pleading with a black woman to take her out of there. She wants to leave and she is very uncomfortable with the people she sees. It's clear to me, she doesn't want to be around them or in that house. She is freaked out. The black woman gives her a Sly look, when "she" is looking away observing the people in the house, but as "she" looks back at the black woman who is standing to her left, the black woman's expression turns from the Sly look to a smile within a milisecond.

There are people in this run down house, they had been Celebrating Something. Jumping up and down and smiling and laughing loudly. Their clothes are not well kept, the colors were not black but not bright either. During their celebration, these vile people danced. There was a feeling that these people were No Good. These are not people you'd want to meet on a darken street corner if you became lost and needed help.
These people made her very uncomfortable. I got the sense, the other woman had brought "Her" there and did not wish to leave.

I could not see our Michael but his presense was real and very much in that run down house!!!!I felt him WATCHING very still and quietly as all of this took place. He was not watching from the ground level. I felt he was Elevated. His presense was very strong. And there was absolutely no fear coming from him but he was intensely watching EVERYTHING.
Seconds after the celebration, the vile people began a "Clean up". They used liquid cleaning agents from a plactic squirt bottle with a nozzle on it. There was the presense of BLOOD. I did not see it but I could feel it was part of whatever had taken place in that run down house. I could not get a good look at their faces. Most of them had their backs showing as they cleaned with Gloves on, they were scrubbing everywhere in the house, ALL OF THEM.
I knew something was purposely being hidden.

"She" began begging and pleading to the other woman wanting her to take "her" away from there. The black woman, said something to "her" about putting on her shoes first, then I saw the black woman slightly bend to her left to get a shoe on, She was in no hurry.
Then I saw a shirtless black man sit down on an old rusted chair. He looked as if someone had just kicked him in the stomach. He almost looked as if he was in shock. His hair was a little messy and I got the impression he had been in an altercation in the house with someone but I didnt see it. His lip appeared to be swollen from being hit in it.
The black woman came over to sit in a chair next to him, she bend down and almost in a whispered voice began talking to him. He never gave her eye contact. He looked at the floor.
The black woman asked him, was he going to be ok. He answered her but i could not make out what he said.

There was old food still in plates that looked as if it had been sitting on a table and the counter for days. The walls didnt look like walls, it appeared like the walls had all rusted away leaving just the wooden frames underneath (what used to be walls).


The next thing I can remember, the two woman are standing outside the house and they began to argue. "She" is very upset with this black woman. I can not make out any words from either woman but there was intense dialogue from them both.

Also in this dream, I saw 2 of my male relatives. One who is deceased but in the dream he was alive but sleeping on an old dirty couch with no legs. The other relative was in his under clothes; white fruit of the looms and shirtless, he too appeared to be trying to go sleep but couldnt with the activity in the house, he got up and I saw his legs and feet, I think he was trying to find quiet place to rest. Both of these two men from my own personal family are known to have lived very fast and violent lives. They had many woman, children born outside of their marriages and they use to beat their wives.

I can not even fathom my emotions right now. I've had little sleep. I stayed up watching the burial.

Heloooooooo ....

Yay! Another dream!:clapping:

And wow, a lot going on here, huh? Well, this all takes place in a house, for the most part, and there seems to be a lot of evil! I tried to write down the meanings to as many symbols as I could find on my chart. I highlighted some words I thought were relevant in red. They are mostly all negative of course, due to the negative vibe of the dream.

Houses: your current spiritual condition; past, present, or future issues dealing with a person's life; their church or business; are you under construction; in need of repair; remodeling; updating or outdated?


White: love; Spirit of the Lord; holy power; purity; without mixture; light; righteousness; blameless; innocence; reverence; snow; peace; holiness of God; Christ; angels' saints; white horse; victory; cleanliness; redeemed; simplicity; security; marriage; covenant; sterility; winter; coldness; clinical; surrender; cowardice; fearfulness; unimaginative; religious spirit; witchcraft; false righteousness; mourning for Buddhist or Hindu.


Woman: Church; angel; Holy Spirit; compassion; powerful; matron; demon; witchcraft; seducing spirit; temptation.


Man (unknown): God's messenger; demonic messenger; evil motive; if a kind stranger: Jesus; Son of Man.


Chair: a comfortable place of rest; enables a person to communicate from a relaxed position; joining in or fellowshipping; an invitation to lead as in chairing a meeting; a position of authority; seat of office; favor or position.


Black: neutral; dusk; moved with passion; midnight hour; sophistication; formality; elegance; wealth; mystery; style; sin; grief; death; physical affliction; from the soul; enemy; famine; lack; in the dark; judgment of God; wickedness; ignorance; mourning; gloomy; evil; demonic; ominous.


Colors: help determine the intensity; maturity; and strength of gifts and anointings empowered by spiritual or soulish sources; wither positive Godly or negative evil influence; the proper colors of light and musical notes energize healing.


Dead Relative: can relate to a generational inheritance, issue, curse, or blessing trying to be passed down; earthly Father can represent Father God; Mother can represent the Holy Spirit.


Sofa: a warm, comfortable, inviting environment to engage in conversation with family and friends.

Well, I'm still marinating over this, lol! ( thanks for that word, Lily!), but after looking at all the symbols, the immediate impression I get is "she" has more than likely been in a battle with evil within herself and in her personal life as is represented by the "house." The people in the "house" seem pretty demonic if you ask me. This battle has left her "house"/ personal life in shambles! It is in desperate need of repair! She has been left shipwrecked! That's why the demons were probably celebrating. They probably thought they got the best of her. But they underestimated her! She is MJ's lady after all, she's gotta be tough! There was quite a fight going on in her house! There was even blood shed. Now, I didn't have the meaning of blood on my chart unfortunately, but according to one website, it could actually be a good sign. It could mean that the distressing situation has come to an end and the worst is over. I think she got a couple of good licks in by the looks of those worn out demons in her house, lol! Of course this battle probably had a lot to do with the man of the hour, the silent man hovering above her watching the whole thing intently. I won't tell you his name, but his initials are M.J. lol! Even though it seems the worst may be over ... SHE WANTS OUT OF THERE!!! Well, who could blame her. M.J. doesn't seemed too concerned about all of this, or maybe he is but is not showing it. Although this battle may have started over him, he hasn't really been directly involved in her fight, he has been elevated, hovering over it all. As my mother used to say, "How conveeeeenient!":smilerolleyes: lol! I could imagine her looking up above and thinking, hey MJ how ya doin', while you're up there watchin', YOU THINK YOU COULD HELP!!! Ha! Ha!

Well, not completely done yet, but that's my very first impression in a nutshell.

[8701girl]

This battle has left her "house"/ personal life in shambles! It is in desperate need of repair! .


i think "she" feels evertything has been destoryed by evil ever since mike died. "She" is trying so very hard to fight the fight to bring goodness & light back in her life, but its very hard for her to try.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

i think "she" feels evertything has been destoryed by evil ever since mike died. "She" is trying so very hard to fight the fight to bring goodness & light back in her life, but its very hard for her to try.

This is a very nice summary.

[Ashtanga]

Heloooooooo ....

Yay! Another dream!:clapping:

And wow, a lot going on here, huh? Well, this all takes place in a house, for the most part, and there seems to be a lot of evil! I tried to write down the meanings to as many symbols as I could find on my chart. I highlighted some words I thought were relevant in red. They are mostly all negative of course, due to the negative vibe of the dream.

Houses: your current spiritual condition; past, present, or future issues dealing with a person's life; their church or business; are you under construction; in need of repair; remodeling; updating or outdated?


White: love; Spirit of the Lord; holy power; purity; without mixture; light; righteousness; blameless; innocence; reverence; snow; peace; holiness of God; Christ; angels' saints; white horse; victory; cleanliness; redeemed; simplicity; security; marriage; covenant; sterility; winter; coldness; clinical; surrender; cowardice; fearfulness; unimaginative; religious spirit; witchcraft; false righteousness; mourning for Buddhist or Hindu.


Woman: Church; angel; Holy Spirit; compassion; powerful; matron; demon; witchcraft; seducing spirit; temptation.


Man (unknown): God's messenger; demonic messenger; evil motive; if a kind stranger: Jesus; Son of Man.


Chair: a comfortable place of rest; enables a person to communicate from a relaxed position; joining in or fellowshipping; an invitation to lead as in chairing a meeting; a position of authority; seat of office; favor or position.


Black: neutral; dusk; moved with passion; midnight hour; sophistication; formality; elegance; wealth; mystery; style; sin; grief; death; physical affliction; from the soul; enemy; famine; lack; in the dark; judgment of God; wickedness; ignorance; mourning; gloomy; evil; demonic; ominous.


Colors: help determine the intensity; maturity; and strength of gifts and anointings empowered by spiritual or soulish sources; wither positive Godly or negative evil influence; the proper colors of light and musical notes energize healing.


Dead Relative: can relate to a generational inheritance, issue, curse, or blessing trying to be passed down; earthly Father can represent Father God; Mother can represent the Holy Spirit.


Sofa: a warm, comfortable, inviting environment to engage in conversation with family and friends.

Well, I'm still marinating over this, lol! ( thanks for that word, Lily!), but after looking at all the symbols, the immediate impression I get is "she" has more than likely been in a battle with evil within herself and in her personal life as is represented by the "house." The people in the "house" seem pretty demonic if you ask me. This battle has left her "house"/ personal life in shambles! It is in desperate need of repair! She has been left shipwrecked! That's why the demons were probably celebrating. They probably thought they got the best of her. But they underestimated her! She is MJ's lady after all, she's gotta be tough! There was quite a fight going on in her house! There was even blood shed. Now, I didn't have the meaning of blood on my chart unfortunately, but according to one website, it could actually be a good sign. It could mean that the distressing situation has come to an end and the worst is over. I think she got a couple of good licks in by the looks of those worn out demons in her house, lol! Of course this battle probably had a lot to do with the man of the hour, the silent man hovering above her watching the whole thing intently. I won't tell you his name, but his initials are M.J. lol! Even though it seems the worst may be over ... SHE WANTS OUT OF THERE!!! Well, who could blame her. M.J. doesn't seemed too concerned about all of this, or maybe he is but is not showing it. Although this battle may have started over him, he hasn't really been directly involved in her fight, he has been elevated, hovering over it all. As my mother used to say, "How conveeeeenient!":smilerolleyes: lol! I could imagine her looking up above and thinking, hey MJ how ya doin', while you're up there watchin', YOU THINK YOU COULD HELP!!! Ha! Ha!

Well, not completely done yet, but that's my very first impression in a nutshell.

You were amazing! :wild::clapping:I love your interpretations. :yes:I travel to far away when I read. lol! :wild: You know, I think I'll ask you for some lessons. I also want to learn to interpret dreams! You should write a book: "How to interpret dreams." lol! I think it would become a best-seller!


I'm not good at it, but I'll risk it. :ph34r:I was thinking that the meaning for "woman" in the dream could also mean maternity / children or child / pregnancy/ having children? Michael would like to have many children, so the woman could represent motherhood and the desire to have more children, or the woman who could give that child or children for him. It was the first thing I thought, but I also think it can mean many other things that we do not know, as well as the "man" in the dream.


Ok. I know I'm bad for that... I hope I have not traveled much in my thoughts! :(:ph34r:... but I tried. :D

[8701girl]

You were amazing!I'm not good at it, but I'll risk it. :ph34r:I was thinking that the meaning for "woman" in the dream could also mean maternity / children or child / pregnancy/ having children? Michael would like to have many children, so the woman could represent motherhood and the desire to have more children, or the woman who could give that child or children for him. It was the first thing I thought, but I also think it can mean many other things that we do not know, as well as the "man" in the dream.


Ok. I know I'm bad for that... I hope I have not traveled much in my thoughts! :(:ph34r:... but I tried. :D

i think michael wanted a big family, that was his biggest dream :D
but he also wanted a woman to share his family with, a woman that would stand by him through thick & thin no matter what.

[Ashtanga]

i think michael wanted a big family, that was his biggest dream :D
but he also wanted a woman to share his family with, a woman that would stand by him through thick & thin no matter what.

Yes, it is also included in the package: wife and perhaps marriage. :D

[8701girl]

This is a very nice summary.


thanx

and ash, i reckon that what maybe michael needed. A solid marriage based on love & trust, a marriage where nothing else mattered : just him & his beloved. I truly belive if u have a strong marrige that is filled with love , u can withstand anything that comes your way- be it good things or bad.

[TialovesMJ]

thanx

and ash, i reckon that what maybe michael needed. A solid marriage based on love & trust, a marriage where nothing else mattered : just him & his beloved. I truly belive if u have a strong marrige that is filled with love , u can withstand anything that comes your way- be it good things or bad.

:clap: you're right!

[8701girl]

:clap: you're right!


thanx :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I truly belive if u have a strong marrige that is filled with love , u can withstand anything that comes your way- be it good things or bad.

Hmmm ... I believe you probably really could.

[8701girl]

Hmmm ... I believe you probably really could.

I belive you can..Remember anything is possible if u really put your heart and soul into it.

And also another thing bout marriage, u need alot of respect as well to make it work. Respect & deep love go together , they like join up as a whole.

[Moddie777]

Glad you guys finally saw the dream! I couldn't wait to get here and post it!

Congrats to Ape! You go girlie, Ms. Actress, knock 'em dead.

This is going to be a lil hard to read but after waking up from this dream, i felt in my heart I knew why I dreamed this particular dream. I think Michael's soul is RESTLESS and he wants the truth to come out about his murder. I also believe this dream shows us he was murdered by evil PEOPLE in his house and during the process of the murder he wasn't completely gone; in other words he could have been still hanging on and was able to hear alot of the mayheim around him. He is telling us, there was a COVER-UP going on BEFORE he died and their were MULTIPLE people in his own residence who were in on it.

The Black woman in this dream with the sly look one minute and the smile the next, represents the black woman in Michael's home of whom he put his trust in. Michael is telling us in this dream, in the end she betrayed him and hurt his lady love in someway. Michael is revealing to us, this woman has two faces, the one she presents to you when you are looking at her and the real one that embodies her when she feels, no one can see.
Michael from his grave is telling us, she is involved and somehow connected to what has happened to him.*****We don't have to say her name*********.

I believe the shirtless man who appeared to have been in an altercation represents Dr. Murray. Remember he had a look of "shock" on his face and had to sit down after he looked as though he had been in a fight prior? I think, Michael is showing us, how Murray actually reacted to the realization that Michael Jackson had just died and he would take the rap for it. Him being shirtless, could represent being and feeling "bare" and "open", in other words vunerable. Which indicates to me, Murray wasn't the mastermind and may not have had prior knowledge Michael was to die on that day, but the dream shows the others did. Why elese would they celebrate. The shirtless man did not. But they did. He did their deed but he was not without evilness and vile temptation himself.
Michael is telling us, he is watching from above and he sees everything, then and now.

The black woman really wanted to hurt "her", by keeping her surrounded by the evilness in that house. It didnt seem to matter to the black woman that "she" was uncomfortable at all.
Michael revealed to us through the interaction between the two women that they are very OPPOSITE, and something elese Michael is revealing to us about these woman: The black woman, knew about his love for this other woman.

Is the black woman's involvement of MJ's murder due to being a woman SCORNED?

Michael is telling us something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TialovesMJ]

Glad you guys finally saw the dream! I couldn't wait to get here and post it!

Congrats to Ape! You go girlie, Ms. Actress, knock 'em dead.

This is going to be a lil hard to read but after waking up from this dream, i felt in my heart I knew why I dreamed this particular dream. I think Michael's soul is RESTLESS and he wants the truth to come out about his murder. I also believe this dream shows us he was murdered by evil PEOPLE in his house and during the process of the murder he wasn't completely gone; in other words he could have been still hanging on and was able to hear alot of the mayheim around him. He is telling us, there was a COVER-UP going on BEFORE he died and their were MULTIPLE people in his own residence who were in on it.

The Black woman in this dream with the sly look one minute and the smile the next, represents the black woman in Michael's home of whom he put his trust in. Michael is telling us in this dream, in the end she betrayed him and hurt his lady love in someway. Michael is revealing to us, this woman has two faces, the one she presents to you when you are looking at her and the real one that embodies her when she feels, no one can see.
Michael from his grave is telling us, she is involved and somehow connected to what has happened to him.*****We don't have to say her name*********.

I believe the shirtless man who appeared to have been in an altercation represents Dr. Murray. Remember he had a look of "shock" on his face and had to sit down after he looked as though he had been in a fight prior? I think, Michael is showing us, how Murray actually reacted to the realization that Michael Jackson had just died and he would take the rap for it. Him being shirtless, could represent being and feeling "bare" and "open", in other words vunerable. Which indicates to me, Murray wasn't the mastermind and may not have had prior knowledge Michael was to die on that day, but the dream shows the others did. Why elese would they celebrate. The shirtless man did not. But they did. He did their deed but he was not without evilness and vile temptation himself.
Michael is telling us, he is watching from above and he sees everything, then and now.

The black woman really wanted to hurt "her", by keeping her surrounded by the evilness in that house. It didnt seem to matter to the black woman that "she" was uncomfortable at all.
Michael revealed to us through the interaction between the two women that they are very OPPOSITE, and something us Michael is revealing to us about these woman: The black woman, knew about his love for this other woman.

Is the black woman's involvement of MJ's murder due to being a woman SCORNED?

Michael is telling us something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great intereptations Moddie. I think I know who this black women may be.. but i wont say the name. But its pretty obvious who it could be. So you think this black women and "her" could have been in the same house?? If so of course the black women knew how MJ felt for "her" ..... It seems like this women was jealous of "her" and didn't want to see MJ with the lady he loved.

[Moddie777]

Great intereptations Moddie. I think I know who this black women may be.. but i wont say the name. But its pretty obvious who it could be. So you think this black women and "her" could have been in the same house?? If so of course the black women knew how MJ felt for "her" ..... It seems like this women was jealous of "her" and didn't want to see MJ with the lady he loved.


I'm not sure if Michael's lady love lived in the same house as the black woman. Remember, "she" was very uncomfortable and wanted to leave throughout the dream. It was the Black woman who showed no signs of being uncomfortable, which could indicate This house was not "her" home or a familiar place of comfort for "her". It appears, the other woman( black woman) was far more comfortable in that evil and dark surrounding and among those vile people. She wasn't the one begging to leave and she wasn't moving as if she really wanted to leave the house when she said she would have to put on her shoes first.

[TialovesMJ]

^^^ hmmmm. I think MJ is trying to tell you something in your dreams. So you are familiar with everyone in your dream right? You said you saw Dr. Murray, so i was wondering if you knew all the faces you saw.

[Moddie777]

^^^ hmmmm. I think MJ is trying to tell you something in your dreams. So you are familiar with everyone in your dream right? You said you saw Dr. Murray, so i was wondering if you knew all the faces you saw.


I only Recognize the actual faces of my two male relatives from the dream. I didn't see Dr. Murray's face but the shirtless man whose face I did see, I believed to be representative of Dr. Murray. Like Murray he is a black man and whatever the shirtless man was doing BEFORE he came to sit down in the rusted chair, he had a DIRECT INVOLVEMENT IN. It shows in his behavior, and body language.

I don't always recognize faces when I dream. Most times these people are strangers to me but I read somewhere years ago, they could represent the real people in my life or could be a preminition for the future.

I do believe "she" is the same lady each time I dream of her, but the black woman from my dream did not bare the face of any woman I have seen connected to Michael. The black woman's behavior is very similar to that of an employee's of MJ of whom I have learned alot about since our Michael's passing through others.

The faces of the people in the house who were celebrating, I couldn't see very well.

I need to figure out the link between my two relatives, MJ's murder and this dream?

[TialovesMJ]

Oh ok!! yeah i've heard eventhough faces aren't recgonizable that it still represents someone or something in your life.. And as for the black women. I think i know who you are talking about but i wont reveal the name... Maybe since you keep seeing the same girl( Her) maybe thats really her?? Maybe MJ was giving you clues in your dream. ? This is the dumbest thing im gonna say, but maybe he knows you go to this thread?? LOL i know what a fantasy ..

[Ashtanga]

Glad you guys finally saw the dream! I couldn't wait to get here and post it!

Congrats to Ape! You go girlie, Ms. Actress, knock 'em dead.

This is going to be a lil hard to read but after waking up from this dream, i felt in my heart I knew why I dreamed this particular dream. I think Michael's soul is RESTLESS and he wants the truth to come out about his murder. I also believe this dream shows us he was murdered by evil PEOPLE in his house and during the process of the murder he wasn't completely gone; in other words he could have been still hanging on and was able to hear alot of the mayheim around him. He is telling us, there was a COVER-UP going on BEFORE he died and their were MULTIPLE people in his own residence who were in on it.

The Black woman in this dream with the sly look one minute and the smile the next, represents the black woman in Michael's home of whom he put his trust in. Michael is telling us in this dream, in the end she betrayed him and hurt his lady love in someway. Michael is revealing to us, this woman has two faces, the one she presents to you when you are looking at her and the real one that embodies her when she feels, no one can see.
Michael from his grave is telling us, she is involved and somehow connected to what has happened to him.*****We don't have to say her name*********.

I believe the shirtless man who appeared to have been in an altercation represents Dr. Murray. Remember he had a look of "shock" on his face and had to sit down after he looked as though he had been in a fight prior? I think, Michael is showing us, how Murray actually reacted to the realization that Michael Jackson had just died and he would take the rap for it. Him being shirtless, could represent being and feeling "bare" and "open", in other words vunerable. Which indicates to me, Murray wasn't the mastermind and may not have had prior knowledge Michael was to die on that day, but the dream shows the others did. Why elese would they celebrate. The shirtless man did not. But they did. He did their deed but he was not without evilness and vile temptation himself.
Michael is telling us, he is watching from above and he sees everything, then and now.

The black woman really wanted to hurt "her", by keeping her surrounded by the evilness in that house. It didnt seem to matter to the black woman that "she" was uncomfortable at all.
Michael revealed to us through the interaction between the two women that they are very OPPOSITE, and something elese Michael is revealing to us about these woman: The black woman, knew about his love for this other woman.

Is the black woman's involvement of MJ's murder due to being a woman SCORNED?

Michael is telling us something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bugeyed:scratch::ph34r:

[summer]

I can't say much to the latest dream of yours, but when I was watching the funeral and saw they had blue and purple flowers among the white ones on MJ's casket, I had to think of you and your dreams. Didn't you say you dreamed of something in those colors and weren't you guys analyzing those colors?

[Moddie777]

I can't say much to the latest dream of yours, but when I was watching the funeral and saw they had blue and purple flowers among the white ones on MJ's casket, I had to think of you and your dreams. Didn't you say you dreamed of something in those colors and weren't you guys analyzing those colors?


Yes, I thought of "her" too when I saw those beautiful flowers on MJ's casket at the burial.

I wondered if she was at all involved in picking them, then I started looking closely at the crowd trying to see if I could see any woman that resembled the woman in my dreams.

In a couple of my dreams "she" is wearing a color I described as either Blue or Purple, then someone posted-Turquiose.

That color choice for his flower arrangement definately linked back to my dreams and "Her".

Its funny how we thought of the same thing when we saw it on tv, isn't it? Wow.

[TialovesMJ]

Yes, I thought of "her" too when I saw those beautiful flowers on MJ's casket at the burial.

I wondered if she was at all involved in picking them, then I started looking closely at the crowd trying to see if I could see any woman that resembled the woman in my dreams.

In a couple of my dreams "she" is wearing a color I described as either Blue or Purple, then someone posted-Turquiose.

That color choice for his flower arrangement definately linked back to my dreams and "Her".

Its funny how we thought of the same thing when we saw it on tv, isn't it? Wow.

Wow... I didnt notice the blue and purple flowers on his casket at all. Hmm maybe he did have the lady in your dream.. This could be true.

[8701girl]

Glad you guys finally saw the dream! I couldn't wait to get here and post it!

Congrats to Ape! You go girlie, Ms. Actress, knock 'em dead.

This is going to be a lil hard to read but after waking up from this dream, i felt in my heart I knew why I dreamed this particular dream. I think Michael's soul is RESTLESS and he wants the truth to come out about his murder. I also believe this dream shows us he was murdered by evil PEOPLE in his house and during the process of the murder he wasn't completely gone; in other words he could have been still hanging on and was able to hear alot of the mayheim around him. He is telling us, there was a COVER-UP going on BEFORE he died and their were MULTIPLE people in his own residence who were in on it.

The Black woman in this dream with the sly look one minute and the smile the next, represents the black woman in Michael's home of whom he put his trust in. Michael is telling us in this dream, in the end she betrayed him and hurt his lady love in someway. Michael is revealing to us, this woman has two faces, the one she presents to you when you are looking at her and the real one that embodies her when she feels, no one can see.
Michael from his grave is telling us, she is involved and somehow connected to what has happened to him.*****We don't have to say her name*********.

I believe the shirtless man who appeared to have been in an altercation represents Dr. Murray. Remember he had a look of "shock" on his face and had to sit down after he looked as though he had been in a fight prior? I think, Michael is showing us, how Murray actually reacted to the realization that Michael Jackson had just died and he would take the rap for it. Him being shirtless, could represent being and feeling "bare" and "open", in other words vunerable. Which indicates to me, Murray wasn't the mastermind and may not have had prior knowledge Michael was to die on that day, but the dream shows the others did. Why elese would they celebrate. The shirtless man did not. But they did. He did their deed but he was not without evilness and vile temptation himself.
Michael is telling us, he is watching from above and he sees everything, then and now.

The black woman really wanted to hurt "her", by keeping her surrounded by the evilness in that house. It didnt seem to matter to the black woman that "she" was uncomfortable at all.
Michael revealed to us through the interaction between the two women that they are very OPPOSITE, and something elese Michael is revealing to us about these woman: The black woman, knew about his love for this other woman.

Is the black woman's involvement of MJ's murder due to being a woman SCORNED?

Michael is telling us something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Could this "black woman" be grace??? remember there were rumors goin round that they were togther!

[TialovesMJ]

Opps....

[8701girl]

Opps....


"opps"...?? :blink:

[TialovesMJ]

"opps"...?? :blink:

Moddie said she wouldnt mention the black ladies name.. But yeah i guess we figured it out. Because right when i read it i thought of her. But who knows.

[8701girl]

Oh okay thanx for explaing that. sorry i didnt know that her name shouldnt have been mentioned :blush:

[TialovesMJ]

^ hehe thats alright :) :flowers:

[8701girl]

Thanx! :hug:

[TialovesMJ]

Thanx! :hug:

No problem :hug:

[Ashtanga]

Could this "black woman" be grace??? remember there were rumors goin round that they were togther!
:scratch:

You can be sure that if it were true the world would already know the centuries. Michael was unable to find the woman he needed to be at his side. And if this woman really existed in his life, many things have been different in the life of Michael. You can be sure of that. Why true love accompanied by a lot of trust between two people (that was what Michael always needed, always sought and never found) in a relationship, everything turns on the lives of two people who really love each other, and shall overcome any obstacle or something bad that may arise in the path. And in this case, it has not happened to me and this woman never existed. ;D

[8701girl]

:scratch:

You can be sure that if it were true the world would already know the centuries. Michael was unable to find the woman he needed to be at his side. And if this woman really existed in his life, many things have been different in the life of Michael. You can be sure of that. Why true love accompanied by a lot of trust between two people (that was what Michael always needed, always sought and never found) in a relationship, everything turns on the lives of two people who really love each other, and shall overcome any obstacle or something bad that may arise in the path. And in this case, it has not happened to me and this woman never existed. ;D


I dont know i keep hearing from other ppl that she may have existed, but i think that they may have broken off. I think it would have took alot to be mike's girl, u had to get used to the fact that the press would be constantly hanging round, rumors at every door and fans trying to get every chance they could be near mike..that woman have to be a strong willed woman to handle all that.

[Ashtanga]

I dont know i keep hearing from other ppl that she may have existed, but i think that they may have broken off. I think it would have took alot to be mike's girl, u had to get used to the fact that the press would be constantly hanging round, rumors at every door and fans trying to get every chance they could be near mike..that woman have to be a strong willed woman to handle all that.

Well, I still insist that it never existed. lol! :yes: You know how it works... People are never quiet. At some point the person appears, it turns out, speaks to the world and takes the opportunity to take a few minutes of fame. It is very rare "someone to be silent" in that situation. If she really existed, it certainly would show the world, people always do that. It is rare for someone who can maintain privacy and not tell anyone. It takes a big vote of 100% confidence. So for me, Michael has been able to rely 100% on a person. I always felt it unsafe for the people around you. There are people who wear masks, deceive and are false. The world of a celebrity is not easy and is totally different from the life of a normal person. I believe this was a great lesson that Michael learned as a child: never trust people. :cheeky:

[8701girl]

Well, I still insist that it never existed. lol! :yes: You know how it works... People are never quiet. At some point the person appears, it turns out, speaks to the world and takes the opportunity to take a few minutes of fame. It is very rare "someone to be silent" in that situation. If she really existed, it certainly would show the world, people always do that. It is rare for someone who can maintain privacy and not tell anyone. It takes a big vote of 100% confidence. So for me, Michael has been able to rely 100% on a person. I always felt it unsafe for the people around you. There are people who wear masks, deceive and are false. The world of a celebrity is not easy and is totally different from the life of a normal person. I believe this was a great lesson that Michael learned as a child: never trust people. :cheeky:

I feel ever so sorry for michael that he could never trust anybody. Fame does that to a person. Ordinary person meet famous person ,ordinary person get so uttterly attched to the fame that they change without realising it. Then ordinary person cant go back to the way they used 2 be- so they go on with the insanity & cruelty that fame brings. Then famous person begins to lose faith and get scared to trust ever again.
I truly belive that what may have happened 2 mike & anyone who met and were around him.

[Moddie777]

Oh ok!! yeah i've heard eventhough faces aren't recgonizable that it still represents someone or something in your life.. And as for the black women. I think i know who you are talking about but i wont reveal the name... Maybe since you keep seeing the same girl( Her) maybe thats really her?? Maybe MJ was giving you clues in your dream. ? This is the dumbest thing im gonna say, but maybe he knows you go to this thread?? LOL i know what a fantasy ..


I don't think what you said was dumb at all!! I actually believe without a shadow of a doubt, Michael use to visit the Sony chat. And no one can convince me otherwise. I even made a thread about it somewhere on this board months ago.

Remember during the time when Michael visited a store called OFF THE WALL at the same time AllForMJ was telling us her "Off The Wall" story and we joked about him coming in this thread and knowing what we were talking about?

Remember around that same time. I was talking about "Wings" and he began to go out in public either wearing objects with Wings on them or we saw him photographed standing near objects with Wings?

I dont believe those things were a coincidence, I believe its possible, he was being playful with us, cause we onto something.

The perfect way for Michael Jackson to interact without being mobbed by fans would be to go online on an MJ forum where he knew he would be among people who loved him even though we wouldnt know he was among us.

Besides that, didnt it come out in the court papers that he had a username and someone posted it and alot of fans said they remembered seeing that username on forums?

[TialovesMJ]

I don't think what you said was dumb at all!! I actually believe without a shadow of a doubt, Michael use to visit the Sony chat. And no one can convince me otherwise. I even made a thread about it somewhere on this board months ago.

Remember during the time when Michael visited a store called OFF THE WALL at the same time AllForMJ was telling us her "Off The Wall" story and we joked about him coming in this thread and knowing what we were talking about?

Remember around that same time. I was talking about "Wings" and he began to go out in public either wearing objects with Wings on them or we saw him photographed standing near objects with Wings?

I dont believe those things were a coincidence, I believe its possible, he was being playful with us, cause we onto something.

The perfect way for Michael Jackson to interact without being mobbed by fans would be to go online on an MJ forum where he knew he would be among people who loved him even though we wouldnt know he was among us.

Besides that, didnt it come out in the court papers that he had a username and someone posted it and alot of fans said they remembered seeing that username on forums?

You know what?? You are sooo right. HIm going to the Off the Wall store and wearing wings is a possiblity!! I think he may have visited for sure.If so that' such an honor! :wub: Hmm maybe thats why you have been having these dreams then. Maybe he wants you to know..?I think he was being playful with us :)

[Ashtanga]

I feel ever so sorry for michael that he could never trust anybody. Fame does that to a person. Ordinary person meet famous person ,ordinary person get so uttterly attched to the fame that they change without realising it. Then ordinary person cant go back to the way they used 2 be- so they go on with the insanity & cruelty that fame brings. Then famous person begins to lose faith and get scared to trust ever again.
I truly belive that what may have happened 2 mike & anyone who met and were around him.

That's right! :clapping: Now we had the same idea and I'm happy for that. Unfortunately this is the stark reality of the life of a celebrity, really is very difficult to trust 100% in one person. I think any person could not, would be very difficult but not impossible. :)



Hey, MJbabe21 and Moddie777... Michael visiting forums about it secretly and in disguise? :scratch: Course! lol! :wild: I always believed that. :yes: Michael has always loved this thing as a cover for being in places where he could be like "Michael Jackson". And then comes the cover: Michael anonymous and disguised. I imagine he did this many times. lol! But I also believe that this is one way to know what the fans think and discuss and be clear in a medium where you know people love you truly and unconditionally. But I also think that it would also be a way to prevent the harassment of people and feel like a "normal" among many ordinary people and especially being treated like a normal person and not as a celebrity. I think a lot artists hate this kind of thing that sometimes scares and so want to be treated with a natural (well, not very easy for some people this naturalness. Lol!). I imagine that Michael always felt this need to be treated like a normal person and especially to have the life of a "normal", for example, quietly go to the supermarket, there is a bookstore or any public place, which is impossible for Michael and in that case, the Internet has giving him the opportunity to be on forums about it. :yes:

[TialovesMJ]

That's right! :clapping: Now we had the same idea and I'm happy for that. Unfortunately this is the stark reality of the life of a celebrity, really is very difficult to trust 100% in one person. I think any person could not, would be very difficult but not impossible. :)



Hey, MJbabe21 and Moddie777... Michael visiting forums about it secretly and in disguise? :scratch: Course! lol! :wild: I always believed that. :yes: Michael has always loved this thing as a cover for being in places where he could be like "Michael Jackson". And then comes the cover: Michael anonymous and disguised. I imagine he did this many times. lol! But I also believe that this is one way to know what the fans think and discuss and be clear in a medium where you know people love you truly and unconditionally. But I also think that it would also be a way to prevent the harassment of people and feel like a "normal" among many ordinary people and especially being treated like a normal person and not as a celebrity. I think a lot artists hate this kind of thing that sometimes scares and so want to be treated with a natural (well, not very easy for some people this naturalness. Lol!). I imagine that Michael always felt this need to be treated like a normal person and especially to have the life of a "normal", for example, quietly go to the supermarket, there is a bookstore or any public place, which is impossible for Michael and in that case, the Internet has giving him the opportunity to be on forums about it. :yes:

Yup... So true. i think MJ did visit some of his fan forums going under disguse to see how it is. I think he wanted to remain annyomus because if he didnt there would be a lot of PM's from fans. I think he wanted to experience being normal( i mean non-famous when on the forums) So he was in disguise. Maybe he even chatted a little acting like a fan? i wonder if he adored what some of his fans said about him??

[mjjfan4ever]

Yup... So true. i think MJ did visit some of his fan forums going under disguse to see how it is. I think he wanted to remain annyomus because if he didnt there would be a lot of PM's from fans. I think he wanted to experience being normal( i mean non-famous when on the forums) So he was in disguise. Maybe he even chatted a little acting like a fan? i wonder if he adored what some of his fans said about him??

shoot i wonder if he saw the MANHOOD thread or the GOLD PANTS thread? i would have loved to seen his reaction!!!!!!!! LOL!

i hope he knew how much we loved him. how loyal we were to him. how much we will always love him.

as for finding love in the dark....i really do doubt it. but i really hope i am wrong.

[TialovesMJ]

shoot i wonder if he saw the MANHOOD thread or the GOLD PANTS thread? i would have loved to seen his reaction!!!!!!!! LOL!

i hope he knew how much we loved him. how loyal we were to him. how much we will always love him.

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Oh i know, i wonder too on how he reacted to the gold pants thread if he ever visted here?? I wonder of he got emaberessed? freaked out or just giggled?

Yeah I really hope he knew how much his fans loved him and how we appricated him!!! :)

[mjjfan4ever]

Oh i know, i wonder too on how he reacted to the gold pants thread if he ever visted here?? I wonder of he got emaberessed? freaked out or just giggled?

Yeah I really hope he knew how much his fans loved him and how we appricated him!!! :)

he probably had all three reactions. LOL!

yea......... love him. miss him.

[TialovesMJ]

he probably had all three reactions. LOL!

yea......... love him. miss him.


Hahaha I bet he sure did!! :P Esp. him blushing!
:yes: we love him!

[Ashtanga]

Maybe he even chatted a little acting like a fan? i wonder if he adored what some of his fans said about him??
I believe so, but always in disguise for another person. Michael always liked disguises and always has been a very mysterious man. Well, I think he was always fascinated by mystery. He must have talked to many people, but as another person and he must have loved and it was certainly a great experience for him to feel that way: a normal people in the middle of normal people. It was also a way for Michael to know that the fans were saying about him and his work, so it was a way to know how it went the thoughts of fans on it. Hmmmm looks at the wit and intelligence of Michael... infiltrating secretly among the people! lol! Michael among us... ever stopped to think about it? :scratch::wild:




shoot i wonder if he saw the MANHOOD thread or the GOLD PANTS thread? i would have loved to seen his reaction!!!!!!!! LOL!
Awwwwwwwww! You can be sure that he saw! lol! And I'm sure was very shy and red like a strawberry. Michael was always very shy and I think that has never changed that has always been his charm. I can not imagine his face when he read these things. lol! :wild:


*Michael reading and thinking, "Oh God, these girls... make me ashamed saying these things!" lol! :wild:

[8701girl]

That's right! :clapping: Now we had the same idea and I'm happy for that. Unfortunately this is the stark reality of the life of a celebrity, really is very difficult to trust 100% in one person. I think any person could not, would be very difficult but not impossible. :)



Hey, MJbabe21 and Moddie777... Michael visiting forums about it secretly and in disguise? :scratch: Course! lol! :wild: I always believed that. :yes: Michael has always loved this thing as a cover for being in places where he could be like "Michael Jackson". And then comes the cover: Michael anonymous and disguised. I imagine he did this many times. lol! But I also believe that this is one way to know what the fans think and discuss and be clear in a medium where you know people love you truly and unconditionally. But I also think that it would also be a way to prevent the harassment of people and feel like a "normal" among many ordinary people and especially being treated like a normal person and not as a celebrity. I think a lot artists hate this kind of thing that sometimes scares and so want to be treated with a natural (well, not very easy for some people this naturalness. Lol!). I imagine that Michael always felt this need to be treated like a normal person and especially to have the life of a "normal", for example, quietly go to the supermarket, there is a bookstore or any public place, which is impossible for Michael and in that case, the Internet has giving him the opportunity to be on forums about it. :yes:


Michael said himself in the interview with brett ratner that the biggest lesson he learned was "never to trust anybody" and sadly i dont think he ever did.

Yes im sure i remember hearing from some fans that karen faye told them that he read the forums from time to time!

[TialovesMJ]

*Michael reading and thinking, "Oh God, these girls... make me ashamed saying these things!" lol! :wild:

hahah I could imagine that!

[8701girl]

So could i mjbabe!

[TialovesMJ]

So could i mjbabe!



:P ......................

[Ashtanga]

Michael said himself in the interview with brett ratner that the biggest lesson he learned was "never to trust anybody" and sadly i dont think he ever did.

Yes im sure i remember hearing from some fans that karen faye told them that he read the forums from time to time!
:wild::wild::wild:
I always knew it... My heart has always said that to me... :yes::wub:



hahah I could imagine that!


I also wonder... that pretty face all red with embarrassment. lol! Wow, that was always so sexy! :wild:
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[8701girl]

:P ......................

:P to u too ! :P


I always knew it... My heart has always said that to me... :yes::wub:


Always listen 2 ur heart..it never wrong!


I also wonder... that pretty face all red with embarrassment. lol! Wow, that was always so sexy! :wild:



Yes it was sexy!! :wild:

[Ashtanga]

Always listen 2 ur heart..it never wrong!

Wow! This is true. :clapping: When we hear the voice of the heart. The heart is never wrong and always tells the truth. :yes:

[8701girl]

Wow! This is true. :clapping: When we hear the voice of the heart. The heart is never wrong and always tells the truth. :yes:


Yes that very true. Altough i tend 2 listen to my head more than my heart, it coz that how my family & some friends make me feel.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

You know, I never mentioned this, but a while ago I had a very brief dream about MJ and he was on stage singing a song. He only sang a couple of lines, but it was enough for me to recognize the song. It happened to be the song, "Memories" from the musical Cats. At first I thought it was a bizarre song choice for him since he really never was a theatrical singer and I didn't see the connection with the character in the play, but then I looked up the lyrics and found it kinda interesting and pretty moving actually. It was sung by a cat named Grizabella. Here's a description of Grizabella and the lyrics to "Memories":


Grizabella - The former Glamour Cat who has lost her sparkle and now only wants to be accepted. Grizabella left the tribe when she was younger to see the world for herself. In doing so she faced the harshness of the outside world, as well as the equally harsh status of pariah in the cats' society.



Memories Lyrics from: Cats

Midnight - not a sound from the pavement.
Has the moon lost her memory,
She is smiling alone.
In the lamplight, the withered leaves collect at my feet,
And the wind begins to moan.

Memory - all alone in the moonlight.
I can smile at the old days,
I was beautiful then.
I remember the time I knew what happiness was.
Let the memory live again.

Every street light seems to beat a fatalistic warning.
Someone mutters and the streetlamp gutters,
and soon it will be morning.

Daylight, I must wait for the sunrise.
I must think of a new life,
And I mustn't give in.
When the dawn comes tonight will be a memory too,
And a new day will begin.

Burnt out ends of smokey days,
the stale cold smell of morning.
The streetlamp dies, another night is over,
another day is dawning.

Touch me, it's so easy to leave me
All alone with the memory
Of my days in the sun.
If you touch me, you'll understand what happiness is.
Look, a new day has begun...

[8701girl]

Wow i feel that song really connects to mj in a big way

[Lily]

I've been gone for several days just to get away from it all and cleanse my spirit and come back to sooooo much reading LOL. Here are a few thoughts for now.....:)


Blood could mean many things:

It indicates enemies who seek to tear down a successful career that is opening up before you.

To see blood in your dream, represents life, love, and passion as well as disappointments. If you see the word "blood" written in your dream, then it may refer to some situation in your life that is permanent and cannot be changed. If something else is written in blood, then it represents the energy you have put into a project. You have invested so much effort into something that you are not willing to give it up.

To dream that you are bleeding or losing blood, signifies that you are suffering from exhaustion or that you are feeling emotionally drained. It may also denote bitter confrontations between you and your friends. Your past actions has come back to haunt you. Women often dream of blood or of someone bleeding, shortly before or during their periods or while they are pregnant.

Edit: I've also been told by a friend that it means you will be receiving news of some kind.


I can't say much to the latest dream of yours, but when I was watching the funeral and saw they had blue and purple flowers among the white ones on MJ's casket, I had to think of you and your dreams. Didn't you say you dreamed of something in those colors and weren't you guys analyzing those colors?



In a couple of my dreams "she" is wearing a color I described as either Blue or Purple, then someone posted-Turquiose.

That color choice for his flower arrangement definately linked back to my dreams and "Her".

Its funny how we thought of the same thing when we saw it on tv, isn't it? Wow.

I had a couple thoughts when I saw the flowers but one definitely was the colors in that dream, interesting we all thought about that. :) White lillies, white roses and purple/blue irises, it was so beautiful and peaceful. :cry:


Well, I still insist that it never existed. lol! :yes: You know how it works... People are never quiet. At some point the person appears, it turns out, speaks to the world and takes the opportunity to take a few minutes of fame. It is very rare "someone to be silent" in that situation. If she really existed, it certainly would show the world, people always do that. It is rare for someone who can maintain privacy and not tell anyone. It takes a big vote of 100% confidence.

Maybe it is rare, but not impossible. Not everyone in this world is selfish and devalues friendship, love, loyalty, and trust. That could be the reason she was different than anyone else and he knew it.



Remember during the time when Michael visited a store called OFF THE WALL at the same time AllForMJ was telling us her "Off The Wall" story and we joked about him coming in this thread and knowing what we were talking about?

Remember around that same time. I was talking about "Wings" and he began to go out in public either wearing objects with Wings on them or we saw him photographed standing near objects with Wings?

I dont believe those things were a coincidence, I believe its possible, he was being playful with us, cause we onto something.


This is when I remember him the happiest most recently and why I posted those pics several pages ago from that particular time. Those couple of weeks around Halloween he was so happy, we saw him out and about a couple times a week and he sent those 2 messages. His energy was glowing, he was so happy and it showed. *sigh*

[Ashtanga]

You know, I never mentioned this, but a while ago I had a very brief dream about MJ and he was on stage singing a song. He only sang a couple of lines, but it was enough for me to recognize the song. It happened to be the song, "Memories" from the musical Cats. At first I thought it was a bizarre song choice for him since he really never was a theatrical singer and I didn't see the connection with the character in the play, but then I looked up the lyrics and found it kinda interesting and pretty moving actually. It was sung by a cat named Grizabella. Here's a description of Grizabella and the lyrics to "Memories":


Grizabella - The former Glamour Cat who has lost her sparkle and now only wants to be accepted. Grizabella left the tribe when she was younger to see the world for herself. In doing so she faced the harshness of the outside world, as well as the equally harsh status of pariah in the cats' society.



Memories Lyrics from: Cats

Midnight - not a sound from the pavement.
Has the moon lost her memory,
She is smiling alone.
In the lamplight, the withered leaves collect at my feet,
And the wind begins to moan.

Memory - all alone in the moonlight.
I can smile at the old days,
I was beautiful then.
I remember the time I knew what happiness was.
Let the memory live again.

Every street light seems to beat a fatalistic warning.
Someone mutters and the streetlamp gutters,
and soon it will be morning.

Daylight, I must wait for the sunrise.
I must think of a new life,
And I mustn't give in.
When the dawn comes tonight will be a memory too,
And a new day will begin.

Burnt out ends of smokey days,
the stale cold smell of morning.
The streetlamp dies, another night is over,
another day is dawning.

Touch me, it's so easy to leave me
All alone with the memory
Of my days in the sun.
If you touch me, you'll understand what happiness is.
Look, a new day has begun...



Wow! :clapping: This song is amazing and I heard several times. The musical "Cats" have stayed a few times in Brazil. :wild: Unfortunately I did not watch, but it is very beautiful and everything is wonderful in this musical, mainly because I love cats!

"Memories"... I already have a great thought about it, this song did many things arise in my head...:smilerolleyes::yes::D








Maybe it is rare, but not impossible. Not everyone in this world is selfish and devalues friendship, love, loyalty, and trust. That could be the reason she was different than anyone else and he knew it.
Yes, not everyone is so in the world, is a rarity and is like finding a needle in a haystack, but it is not impossible, but difficult. You know the world is cruel, people are cruel and celebrities are vulnerable much more to this than a "normal people". For us "normal people" is easy to see that, but you in the situation, feeling all the skin is totally different and really is not easy. So, I follow a rule and I have a thought about this: "You can trust people. Trust, but at the same time suspicious of that people. Trust... suspicious."

Well, I say this because I am a suspicious person by nature. lol! :wild:-_-If I were a celebrity, it would be so bad for me!:(:ph34r:

[8701girl]

This is when I remember him the happiest most recently and why I posted those pics several pages ago from that particular time. Those couple of weeks around Halloween he was so happy, we saw him out and about a couple times a week and he sent those 2 messages. His energy was glowing, he was so happy and it showed. *sigh*

Yeh mike looked like he was ready to take on the world! but the thing is, he may haved looked like that on the outside..but who knows how he felt in the inside :(

[Ashtanga]

he may haved looked like that on the outside..but who knows how he felt in the inside :(


It is just that! We see the outside but not inside, so it's really hard to know what is really happening and what are the true feelings touched at the time. I think it was often masked a happiness that euphoria caused by the fans to see and feel the love these people so close. So maybe the happiness there sometimes masked so that the real does not really take care and stay clear to people what was happening and why Michael has always been mostly dark glasses. To me they always hiding something...

[8701girl]

It is just that! We see the outside but not inside, so it's really hard to know what is really happening and what are the true feelings touched at the time. I think it was often masked a happiness that euphoria caused by the fans to see and feel the love these people so close. So maybe the happiness there sometimes masked so that the real does not really take care and stay clear to people what was happening and why Michael has always been mostly dark glasses. To me they always hiding something...


Do u mean "has been mostly dark glasses" has in him wearing them all the time?

If so i reckon he did it alot cuz that was his shield from the world. I think he thought that was his only way to protect himself in some way. Or it could also be maybe he didnt want his fans to see the truth that were in his eyes.

He properly didnt wants us to worry bout him and wanted us to be happy.
I think even though that was very sweet of michael , but it was bit of dangerous thing to do in way. He should have put himself & his health first, cuz thats all we wanted - him to be happy & healthy.

[Ashtanga]

Do u mean "has been mostly dark glasses" has in him wearing them all the time?

If so i reckon he did it alot cuz that was his shield from the world. I think he thought that was his only way to protect himself in some way. Or it could also be maybe he didnt want his fans to see the truth that were in his eyes.

He properly didnt wants us to worry bout him and wanted us to be happy.
I think even though that was very sweet of michael , but it was bit of dangerous thing to do in way. He should have put himself & his health first, cuz thats all we wanted - him to be happy & healthy.


Yes, I believe that the use of sunglasses all the time (just before the public) was to protect, to hide something he did not want the fans and other people see. You know, the eyes say a lot and just expose what is happening. But I also see that it is a protection against the press and paparazzi who were always close to Michael all the time. I imagine it must be a horrible feeling you will be persecuted in this way the entire time and really there are times that it is impossible to have total privacy. I wonder what should be a great war to leave home to do something. I think no one ever stopped to think how Michael must have suffered with this... I always thought of it...


About the health of Michael, I do not want and I will not comment to anyone about it, why I thought a very different and contrary to what all people think. And as always people will never agree with me. lol!:yes: I just do not believe anything they're saying. Nothing!!! -_- Well, I better be quiet and not generate a great discussion unnecessary here. :ph34r:

Off.......... :ph34r:;D
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[Moddie777]

Lily, Glad you are back!

I hope we see SOS and AllForMJ Soon.


MP, Those song lyrics were befitting of a gentle soul whom we just lost to an eternal sleep.
Very Touching, I was in tears reading it.

All I can say is Wow.

[wendy2004]

Well, I still insist that it never existed. lol! :yes: You know how it works... People are never quiet. At some point the person appears, it turns out, speaks to the world and takes the opportunity to take a few minutes of fame. It is very rare "someone to be silent" in that situation. If she really existed, it certainly would show the world, people always do that. It is rare for someone who can maintain privacy and not tell anyone. It takes a big vote of 100% confidence. So for me, Michael has been able to rely 100% on a person. I always felt it unsafe for the people around you. There are people who wear masks, deceive and are false. The world of a celebrity is not easy and is totally different from the life of a normal person. I believe this was a great lesson that Michael learned as a child: never trust people. :cheeky:

I agree with you in some aspects, but disagree overall.




Maybe it is rare, but not impossible. Not everyone in this world is selfish and devalues friendship, love, loyalty, and trust. That could be the reason she was different than anyone else and he knew it.

Totally agree with you.



This is when I remember him the happiest most recently and why I posted those pics several pages ago from that particular time. Those couple of weeks around Halloween he was so happy, we saw him out and about a couple times a week and he sent those 2 messages. His energy was glowing, he was so happy and it showed. *sigh*

I agree with this also, BUT I remember seeing those pix and posting that he looked like he had been up to something. He had a mischevious sort of bounce to him and his smile... like he was keeping a delicious secret. lol Turns out, it was around the time those photos were taken that he had first agreed to do the London shows. This was revealed during the Julien's auction court documents. Tohme and Julien had planned for the auction and the announcement of the shows to coincide this spring. So it's possible, the reason he was so happy and seemed filled with excitement is becuz he knew he was about to give the fans what we had been waiting for. One of the 2 notes he sent out around that time also alluded to doing some shows or concerts as well. He seemed hyped and inspired. Now, that doesn't mean his excitement had nothing to do with love in heart. He may have also been excited about being able to shine at what he does, not only for his kids, but for the object of his interest as well.




Yes, not everyone is so in the world, is a rarity and is like finding a needle in a haystack, but it is not impossible, but difficult. You know the world is cruel, people are cruel and celebrities are vulnerable much more to this than a "normal people". For us "normal people" is easy to see that, but you in the situation, feeling all the skin is totally different and really is not easy. So, I follow a rule and I have a thought about this: "You can trust people. Trust, but at the same time suspicious of that people. Trust... suspicious."

Well, I say this because I am a suspicious person by nature. lol! :wild:-_-If I were a celebrity, it would be so bad for me!:(:ph34r:

Again, I agree with most of what you've said, but I also feel that "sometimes" that rare occasion happens and the needle gets found amidst all the other hay. The tragedy here would be (if any of this is a possibility)that he was denied enuf time to begin "sewing" very much with his needle before passing away. :( After searching so long for the needle and then to have life cut short before he could explore it has to be as gutting for her as it is to his spirit.

btw... I've only read back a few pages of this thread and see there was some talk of rainbows and purple dresses and the Irises on the casket. For trivia sake and in case someone wants to explore its significance to this thread more, Iris is the Goddess of the Rainbow in Greek mythology. In Chinese culture, the Iris is known as the purple butterfly becuz of it's leaves. AAAAND if you look at the picture used in the funeral invitation, it shows Michael holding purple Irises in his hand. This pic was also used as one of the 2 pix bookending his casket. Clue to what you guys are discussing in this thread or coincidence? Kinda weird they chose those pix out of all the pix of Michael in the world...unless they were simply going for a puple, white and gold theme (same as with the photos, casket, flowers and crown).

:flowers:

[Moddie777]

Hi Wendy,

So glad to see you finding your way back to give us your time. I always knew you were a romantic like us and liked this thread too, lol.

And what you said about the purple flowers on his casket and the flowers in his hand from the pic near the casket, I saw that too. I thought of my dreams and the dress "she" wore.

I dont think any of this is a coincidence at all.

Isn't is kinda amazing and out of this world, that this story seems to continue even after our Michael has passed away?

Who ever would've thought.......

[8701girl]

Yes, I believe that the use of sunglasses all the time (just before the public) was to protect, to hide something he did not want the fans and other people see. You know, the eyes say a lot and just expose what is happening. But I also see that it is a protection against the press and paparazzi who were always close to Michael all the time. I imagine it must be a horrible feeling you will be persecuted in this way the entire time and really there are times that it is impossible to have total privacy. I wonder what should be a great war to leave home to do something. I think no one ever stopped to think how Michael must have suffered with this... I always thought of it...


About the health of Michael, I do not want and I will not comment to anyone about it, why I thought a very different and contrary to what all people think. And as always people will never agree with me. lol!:yes: I just do not believe anything they're saying. Nothing!!! -_- Well, I better be quiet and not generate a great discussion unnecessary here. :ph34r:

Off.......... :ph34r:;D



I think what michael needed most was for the paps to LEAVE HIM THE HELL ALONE!! but no they just wouldnt do it. Its like they think they have "the right" to harras celeb and be little them as much as they can. How the paps have changed over the yrs has disgusted & shocks me so much, how they go on with their lives like as if what they do doesnt hurt ppl.....i will never understand it

[Ashtanga]

I think what michael needed most was for the paps to LEAVE HIM THE HELL ALONE!! but no they just wouldnt do it. Its like they think they have "the right" to harras celeb and be little them as much as they can. How the paps have changed over the yrs has disgusted & shocks me so much, how they go on with their lives like as if what they do doesnt hurt ppl.....i will never understand it
I do not understand it and do not know how these people can do this kind of work. But it is their job (press and paparazzi) go after celebrities, make up stories to the tabloids and many other things that we know how it happens and works. This is so horrible.




I agree with you in some aspects, but disagree overall.
Ok. :) Do not worry. It is normal people do not agree with me. I'm so used to it. lol! :wild:




Again, I agree with most of what you've said, but I also feel that "sometimes" that rare occasion happens and the needle gets found amidst all the other hay. The tragedy here would be (if any of this is a possibility)that he was denied enuf time to begin "sewing" very much with his needle before passing away. :( After searching so long for the needle and then to have life cut short before he could explore it has to be as gutting for her as it is to his spirit.

btw... I've only read back a few pages of this thread and see there was some talk of rainbows and purple dresses and the Irises on the casket. For trivia sake and in case someone wants to explore its significance to this thread more, Iris is the Goddess of the Rainbow in Greek mythology. In Chinese culture, the Iris is known as the purple butterfly becuz of it's leaves. AAAAND if you look at the picture used in the funeral invitation, it shows Michael holding purple Irises in his hand. This pic was also used as one of the 2 pix bookending his casket. Clue to what you guys are discussing in this thread or coincidence? Kinda weird they chose those pix out of all the pix of Michael in the world...unless they were simply going for a puple, white and gold theme (same as with the photos, casket, flowers and crown).

:flowers:
:scratch: Hummmm

:doh: My thoughts flew away on something I've been thinking a long time and now reading your post made me remember. But what I think is quite the opposite about it. Many coincidences, but are not coincidences... It's another thing... Ops, I guess I better hold my mouth and not talk too much. lol! :smilerolleyes::ph34r:

[Lily]

Totally agree with you.

Thanks :flowers:



I agree with this also, BUT I remember seeing those pix and posting that he looked like he had been up to something. He had a mischevious sort of bounce to him and his smile... like he was keeping a delicious secret. lol


This statement is so true lol. Whether it was because of the shows or a love interest his energy was on a whole other level at that time. When he smiled his happiness shined. *sigh*



I dont think any of this is a coincidence at all.

Isn't is kinda amazing and out of this world, that this story seems to continue even after our Michael has passed away?

Who ever would've thought.......

True love transcends the present and on into the afterlife, it's eternal. :)


I'm interested in hearing some new music to see what things inspired him in the present. That instrumental song was beautiful that was released recently, you could feel what he was trying to say without any words, just the music. Hopefully someday we'll hear something. :)

[8701girl]

I do not understand it and do not know how these people can do this kind of work. But it is their job (press and paparazzi) go after celebrities, make up stories to the tabloids and many other things that we know how it happens and works. This is so horrible.


Paparazzi is not a job ( well in my eyes it anit) Its their fantasy land!
Where they make up s*** just for $$$$. Its degrading and so unhuman.

[TialovesMJ]

Paparazzi is not a job ( well in my eyes it anit) Its their fantasy land!
Where they make up s*** just for $$$$. Its degrading and so unhuman.

Yeah its very disprespctful and disgusting when the media makes up crap about celebs and gain money from their bulls shit lie stories.. They loved to do this with MJ..yeah this is kind of off topic.?? But i agree.

[8701girl]

Yeah its very disprespctful and disgusting when the media makes up crap about celebs and gain money from their bulls shit lie stories.. They loved to do this with MJ..yeah this is kind of off topic.?? But i agree.


i would so love to swap places with them. Make them be the celebs and us the "press", and have us write s*** bout them! wonder if they could handle it?!

[TialovesMJ]

i would so love to swap places with them. Make them be the celebs and us the "press", and have us write s*** bout them! wonder if they could handle it?!

I doubt they could handle it.

[Ashtanga]

Paparazzi is not a job ( well in my eyes it anit) Its their fantasy land!
Where they make up s*** just for $$$$. Its degrading and so unhuman.

I know that. But for them it is like any other work and unfortunately they earn much money from it depending on the picture to get and celebrity. Unfortunately. :(

[8701girl]

It is a disgusting way to earn money.

[AllForMJ]

Ohhhhh, the coincidences! Yeah, those many coincidences were a LOT of fun! LOL I have some that I remember too!

Back to his Off The Wall store day of shopping. We were having a discussion in the thread about the day that I had met him and we were wondering if he went back to his hotel after completing his promotional tour schedule or if he went straight to the airport. Well, one of the things that he bought at the Off The Wall store was that big toy airplane! I was thinking, "Oh! I guess he went to the airport!" LOL

And what about the time that MimiK told Ape, Linda and Summer if they were going to were T-shirts to the London concert with Did MJ Find Love In The Dark printed on them, that they should be green so they could easily be seen. Next thing we knew, MJ went shopping shortly afterwards wearing black pants, a green sports jacket, his fedora, sunglasses and that white mask! Now, whyyyy did he choose to wear green that day of all colors?! LOL

And then there was the time that Linda said she wanted to see him in the leopard print loin cloth and next thing we knew, he was out and about wearing those leopard pants. I guess he wanted to let her know that he had read her post. LOL

Yeahhhh, I think he found out about this thread and was having a good time with it. Hey, it's about love, spirituality and music. Things that he liked. Plus, he used to enjoy having a good laugh, right? He was a prankster. We also had the comedy goin' in here! LOL OMG, there were times when we all were just crackin' up! There was no way he could read some that stuff and not burst out laughin'!
:lol:

And then there is the time when we were talking about him being in love and Ape said, "Give her the rose already!" that is when MJ's handwritten note appeared online with the beautiful rose!
:wub:

To be the most famous man in the world, he sure knew how to do very sweet and fun things. Love him...love him...love him.

[8701girl]

And what about the time that MimiK told Ape, Linda and Summer if they were going to were T-shirts to the London concert with Did MJ Find Love In The Dark printed on them, that they should be green so they could easily be seen. Next thing we knew, MJ went shopping shortly afterwards wearing black pants, a green sports jacket, his fedora, sunglasses and that white mask! Now, whyyyy did he choose to wear green that day of all colors?! LOL .


Yes i remember that!

I remember thinking how cool it would have been if ape, linda and summer had done that. Mike wouldnt be able to contain hes laughter! :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

Ohhhhh, the coincidences! Yeah, those many coincidences were a LOT of fun! LOL I have some that I remember too!

Back to his Off The Wall store day of shopping. We were having a discussion in the thread about the day that I had met him and we were wondering if he went back to his hotel after completing his promotional tour schedule or if he went straight to the airport. Well, one of the things that he bought at the Off The Wall store was that big toy airplane! I was thinking, "Oh! I guess he went to the airport!" LOL

And what about the time that MimiK told Ape, Linda and Summer if they were going to were T-shirts to the London concert with Did MJ Find Love In The Dark printed on them, that they should be green so they could easily be seen. Next thing we knew, MJ went shopping shortly afterwards wearing black pants, a green sports jacket, his fedora, sunglasses and that white mask! Now, whyyyy did he choose to wear green that day of all colors?! LOL

And then there was the time that Linda said she wanted to see him in the leopard print loin cloth and next thing we knew, he was out and about wearing those leopard pants. I guess he wanted to let her know that he had read her post. LOL

Yeahhhh, I think he found out about this thread and was having a good time with it. Hey, it's about love, spirituality and music. Things that he liked. Plus, he used to enjoy having a good laugh, right? He was a prankster. We also had the comedy goin' in here! LOL OMG, there were times when we all were just crackin' up! There was no way he could read some that stuff and not burst out laughin'!
:lol:

And then there is the time when we were talking about him being in love and Ape said, "Give her the rose already!" that is when MJ's handwritten note appeared online with the beautiful rose!
:wub:

To be the most famous man in the world, he sure knew how to do very sweet and fun things. Love him...love him...love him.


I remeber all those things happening.. Maybe he did visit this thread :D

[Ashtanga]

Ohhhhh, the coincidences! Yeah, those many coincidences were a LOT of fun! LOL I have some that I remember too!

Back to his Off The Wall store day of shopping. We were having a discussion in the thread about the day that I had met him and we were wondering if he went back to his hotel after completing his promotional tour schedule or if he went straight to the airport. Well, one of the things that he bought at the Off The Wall store was that big toy airplane! I was thinking, "Oh! I guess he went to the airport!" LOL

And what about the time that MimiK told Ape, Linda and Summer if they were going to were T-shirts to the London concert with Did MJ Find Love In The Dark printed on them, that they should be green so they could easily be seen. Next thing we knew, MJ went shopping shortly afterwards wearing black pants, a green sports jacket, his fedora, sunglasses and that white mask! Now, whyyyy did he choose to wear green that day of all colors?! LOL

And then there was the time that Linda said she wanted to see him in the leopard print loin cloth and next thing we knew, he was out and about wearing those leopard pants. I guess he wanted to let her know that he had read her post. LOL

Yeahhhh, I think he found out about this thread and was having a good time with it. Hey, it's about love, spirituality and music. Things that he liked. Plus, he used to enjoy having a good laugh, right? He was a prankster. We also had the comedy goin' in here! LOL OMG, there were times when we all were just crackin' up! There was no way he could read some that stuff and not burst out laughin'!
:lol:

And then there is the time when we were talking about him being in love and Ape said, "Give her the rose already!" that is when MJ's handwritten note appeared online with the beautiful rose!
:wub:

To be the most famous man in the world, he sure knew how to do very sweet and fun things. Love him...love him...love him.
:wild:
This is incredible! I remember all these things and are not coincidences, they are facts. Michael Jackson walked past here many times. lol! :D

[Lily]

I'm feeling inspired today :) so I'm gonna add some stuff here before I begin my work day :girl_sigh: lol.

Just to add to what's already been mentioned about colors and flowers.....


The Color Purple
Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment. It is said if you surround yourself with purple you will have peace of mind. Purple is a good color to use in meditation.
Purple has been used to symbolize magic and mystery, as well as royalty. Being the combination of red and blue, the warmest and coolest colors, purple is believed to be the ideal color. Most children love the color purple. Purple is the color most favored by artists. Thursday's color is purple.

Violet is the color of purpose. Violet is associated with the Crown chakra (This links individual and universal).

Violet Energy
Violet is a combination of blue and red. Red is a focusing, dynamic and active energy while blue is cooling, calming and expansive. Violet brings a new dynamic to the expansion of blue and the activity of red. Red brings practicality to the undirected expansiveness of the blue, and allows more creative energy to emerge. For this reason, violet is associated with imagination and inspiration.
Violet is an important energy for those who use blue and indigo skills in the psychic field. The red in violet offers a grounding effect.


I wanted to highlight some of the color purples symbolization. Notice purple is the color of Thursday, the day the service was held. :cry:



Flowers and turtles 2 of my favorites :wub: LOL I love talking about them so I'll add some flower meanings.....


Iris' meaning.....

The flower symbolism associated with the iris is faith, wisdom, cherished friendship, hope, valor, my compliments, promise in love, wisdom. Irises were used in Mary Gardens. The blade-shaped foliage denotes the sorrows which 'pierced her heart.' Blessed with the colors of the rainbow and the purest white, the iris has been recognized as the dancing spirit of early summer. Its soft, fluttering petals remind the Chinese people of butterfly wings, flapping gently in the breeze. The flower is known as Tze Hu-tieh or "The Purple Butterfly."

A few of these meanings Wendy2004 mentioned in her post. :)

Lily meaning.....

The day lily is aptly named due to the the fact that their flowers open at sunrise and wither at sunset. When it has a cheerful position, the flower is called "Wong Yu," meaning "Forgetting Worries." As an omen for expectant mothers who wish for baby boys, the flower is called "I Nan," meaning "Suited for A Boy." Since the flower is worn by many mothers, the Chinese also venerate the day lily as a symbol of filial devotion to one's mother.

Rose meaning.....

Symbolic associations with the rose have existed since the days of the ancient Romans and Greeks. Roses have been identified with love and passion since those times, beginning with their association with the goddesses Aphrodite, Isis and Venus. Cleopatra is said to have received Marc Anthony in a room literally knee-deep in roses.
The flower symbolism associated with roses is love, remembrance, passion (red); purity (white); happiness (pink); infidelity (yellow); unconscious beauty, and I love you.

Wild roses have five petals. This has led to their symbolic connection to the wounds of Christ in Christian iconography. The rose also symbolizes the Virgin Mary herself, who was known as the "Mystic Rose."

Shakespeare mentions the rose at least 70 times in his plays and sonnets: “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet” (Romeo and Juliet); “Of all flowers, methinks a rose is best” (The Two Noble Kinsmen) and “When I have plucked the rose, I cannot give it vital growth again” (Othello).

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Ohhhhh, the coincidences! Yeah, those many coincidences were a LOT of fun!



I remeber all those things happening.. Maybe he did visit this thread :D


:wild:
This is incredible! I remember all these things and are not coincidences, they are facts. Michael Jackson walked past here many times. lol! :D

Did you know that in the Hebrew language there is no word for "coincidence"?;)

[Ashtanga]

Did you know that in the Hebrew language there is no word for "coincidence"?;)

Yes.:D "Someone" once told me that there are no coincidences... :smilerolleyes::cheeky:

*Coincidence: state of two things coincide. Simultaneously holding two or more facts.:)

[Lily]

Everything in life happens for a reason.

[Sdeidjs]

This composition fits quite nicely into the recent discussion about the White Lilies and Irises~~~

Check It Out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRcGV4Tpys


:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[8701girl]

I remeber all those things happening.. Maybe he did visit this thread :D


I sure hope so mjbabe..he would have loved it :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

I sure hope so mjbabe..he would have loved it :wub:



I hope so too. I think he would have enjoyed it. At least he met our usernames. .. lol Since we didnt meet him in person!

[Lily]

I love that song Sdeidjs. Thanks for posting it. :)

[8701girl]

I hope so too. I think he would have enjoyed it. At least he met our usernames. .. lol Since we didnt meet him in person!


Yeh it makes me :D just knowing he knew us in some kind of way.

[Sdeidjs]

I love that song Sdeidjs. Thanks for posting it. :)

;D

:angel:We Are The World...Keep Helping To Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[TialovesMJ]

Yeh it makes me :D just knowing he knew us in some kind of way.

:lol: I know right. So will we were chatting in this thread MJ could have very well been lurking in here and we never noticed !!!So at least her knew our usernames :P

[8701girl]

:lol: I know right. So will we were chatting in this thread MJ could have very well been lurking in here and we never noticed !!!So at least her knew our usernames :P


Then again if he knew my username, he properly seen all my posts bout him being sexy and hot...if he did ...id be so embrassed! lol :blush:

[summer]

Ohhhhh, the coincidences! Yeah, those many coincidences were a LOT of fun! LOL I have some that I remember too!

Back to his Off The Wall store day of shopping. We were having a discussion in the thread about the day that I had met him and we were wondering if he went back to his hotel after completing his promotional tour schedule or if he went straight to the airport. Well, one of the things that he bought at the Off The Wall store was that big toy airplane! I was thinking, "Oh! I guess he went to the airport!" LOL

And what about the time that MimiK told Ape, Linda and Summer if they were going to were T-shirts to the London concert with Did MJ Find Love In The Dark printed on them, that they should be green so they could easily be seen. Next thing we knew, MJ went shopping shortly afterwards wearing black pants, a green sports jacket, his fedora, sunglasses and that white mask! Now, whyyyy did he choose to wear green that day of all colors?! LOL

And then there was the time that Linda said she wanted to see him in the leopard print loin cloth and next thing we knew, he was out and about wearing those leopard pants. I guess he wanted to let her know that he had read her post. LOL

Yeahhhh, I think he found out about this thread and was having a good time with it. Hey, it's about love, spirituality and music. Things that he liked. Plus, he used to enjoy having a good laugh, right? He was a prankster. We also had the comedy goin' in here! LOL OMG, there were times when we all were just crackin' up! There was no way he could read some that stuff and not burst out laughin'!
:lol:

And then there is the time when we were talking about him being in love and Ape said, "Give her the rose already!" that is when MJ's handwritten note appeared online with the beautiful rose!
:wub:

To be the most famous man in the world, he sure knew how to do very sweet and fun things. Love him...love him...love him.

:lol:

Remember the thread where someone asked him to wear a Peter Pan t-shirt? So I posted in it something like "What next? He'll bring back the silk mask again?"...and then like a couple of days later he wore the black silk mask again after YEARS of not having worn it. :lol: I do think it was just a coincidence, but it was funny! :lol:

[8701girl]

:lol:

Remember the thread where someone asked him to wear a Peter Pan t-shirt? So I posted in it something like "What next? He'll bring back the silk mask again?"...and then like a couple of days later he wore the black silk mask again after YEARS of not having worn it. :lol: I do think it was just a coincidence, but it was funny! :lol:


:lol: i remember that! I was thinking.."hes either pyshic ...or just loves our forum a lil bit too much...:ph34r:" ..:lol:

[AllForMJ]

:lol:

Oh my goodness! And herrrre's another one!!

What about how I was telling you guys that he had caught me off guard back in '79 by rolling his window all the way down when I walked up to talk to him and that he was sitting right next to it?!

Remember what happened shortly after I told you guys about it? He did it to a crowd of fans while riding past them in his SUV in Beverly Hills!!

Remember they were standing on the sidewalk saying, "Roll down the window, Michael! Roll down the window!!" Then, he playfully rolled it down about an inch...then another inch...and then he rolled it alllllll the way down and all the fans started screaming with excitement!! LOL

You guys remember thaaaat coincidence?! :lol:

[8701girl]

:lol:

Oh my goodness! And herrrre's another one!!

What about how I was telling you guys that he had caught me off guard back in '79 by rolling his window all the way down when I walked up to talk to him and that he was sitting right next to it?!

Remember what happened shortly after I told you guys about it? He did it to a crowd of fans while riding past them in his SUV in Beverly Hills!!

Remember they were standing on the sidewalk saying, "Roll down the window, Michael! Roll down the window!!" Then, he playfully rolled it down about an inch...then another inch...and then he rolled it alllllll the way down and all the fans started screaming with excitement!! LOL

You guys remember thaaaat coincidence?! :lol:

Yeh i remeember u tellin us that. Mike sure was a cheeky bugger hey! he loved to tease us ..god im gonna miss that so much :(

[SoS]

Hi Ladies! :D (and any lurking gentlemen lol)

Ah stroll down memory lane :wub:

Do you girls remember the time we were talking about "eyes" being the "windows to the soul" and somebody mentioned MJ taking off his shades ...


... then all of a sudden we got this!!????? : :wild:















http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshades.jpg


and this?? And a whole bunch more that day .. :wub:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshadesstaringoff.jpg

[8701girl]

Lol all of us went :wild: seeing that pic! i know i did lol.

To see mikes eyes once again, like in present tense ( i hope u all know what i mean)
Id give anything and do anything for that to happen...but i know it wont and kills me inside :cry:.


I had a dream last night it was bout mike , but he wasnt in it.
Im ouside somewhere and all of a sudden i hear "bad" playing, very cleary. And all these ppl just dancing kinda like in the video, and all suddenly i see a young arnold shwagzneer ( u know the terminator guy) like playing mike 's role in way. im not sure what that part of my dream meant...but could it be saying maybe michael is okay and joyous in heaven..or could it be that mike is confused ?

[TialovesMJ]

Hi Ladies! :D (and any lurking gentlemen lol)

Ah stroll down memory lane :wub:

Do you girls remember the time we were talking about "eyes" being the "windows to the soul" and somebody mentioned MJ taking off his shades ...


... then all of a sudden we got this!!????? : :wild:















http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshades.jpg


and this?? And a whole bunch more that day .. :wub:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshadesstaringoff.jpg



I remeber that day!!

[Ashtanga]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshades.jpg


and this?? And a whole bunch more that day .. :wub:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjnoshadesstaringoff.jpg

SOS thanks for posting these pictures! :clapping:I love these pictures are so beautiful! :wild: The eyes of Michael... are so beautiful, sweet, pure and sincere... I love those eyes. And the smile is the most beautiful in the world...

Michael... my great eternal love! :wub::wub::wub:



*I was with some phrases in the head. I had to write them on paper. So I decided to post here. This short poem is for my dear Michael:

"This is a poem of love so sweet, so tender, so your...
It is a gift to your moments of struggle and wind and sky...
And I want to serve the poetry in a shell blue sea or a basket of wildflowers.
Maybe you can understand my love.
But if not, does not matter.
Is already declared and published in the lines and lines of this little poem.
The verse the so famous and unexpected verse that will leave you amazed, surprised, perplexed...
I love you, forgive me, but I just love you... and love you always and forever."

:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Moddie777]

Awwwwwwwww, Those Beautiful Eyes Closed Forever, in their Eternal Rest.


Thank You for those Pictures. Lovely.

[TialovesMJ]

:) .............

[Lily]

Michaels eyes look sad in the first picture. -_-

[SoS]

Michaels eyes look sad in the first picture. -_-

Yes he does - well I say "sad" or something ...




Same with this one ..







he looks sad here too

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/StateAShock/mjmypersonalfave.jpg







If Michael was interacting with us during that time, was he maybe trying to "tell" us something?.....and if so.......what exactly??

[Lily]

It's almost like a longing gaze, as if he wanted someone to see and feel what he was feeling inside. I dunno but it was rare that we saw his eyes when he was out and about because he always wore sunglasses. Maybe it was a message to "her"?

Personally when I look at this pic in the car I feel like he's staring right through my soul. Almost like those pictures or paintings you see where the eyes seem to follow you as you walk past. :unsure: :ph34r: This makes my heart really sad.