Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[8701girl]

I actually thought differently. Knowing Michael (and not that I know him but..what I think I know of him and what I've seen of him) he would mean it both ways. He always uses double entendres. Even "This Is It" can have many meanings. "These will be my final shows, in London." could have more than one meaning. He often uses vague sort of ideas because of the various meanings that can be gotten from it (I think). It's something that I found quite funny about him.
Just a thought I thought I'd share.


I think with "these will be my final shows in london'' could have meant after the london tour was done THAT WAS IT no more touring any more.
Or it could have meant london was just the begining and afterwards the real adventure was bout to come aka more touring maybe. Who knows though, like mike said in the PHM he didnt like touring much but he did love seeing the fans reaction of seeing him.

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"

Look up U.S. Andersen's book "Three magic words. Or in Andersen's word:

"that man's consciousness is God's consciousness in process of becoming."

Compare that to his press conference.

Remember what is his 93 interview with Oprah he believed the reason for the very existence of Art was.

"O:And I believe everybody comes in,comes to the world for a reason,I think.Most of us have spent the life trying to figure out what the purpose of our being here is.What do you think yours is?

MJ: My purpose?Oh boy.I think to give in the best way I can,through song and through dance and through music.I mean I’m committed to my art.
I believe that all art has its untimate goal,the union between the material and the spiritual of the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existance of art.And I feel I was chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world,to children of all ages, adults and teenagers.”


MJ was a spiritual person, way beyond "well yes, I do yoga, meditate and wear a Kabbalah string".

And he was referring to that collective human consciousness, tapping into it.

Look up his Oxford Speech, he is talking about unconditional love, being accepted as who you are from birth. And if you were denied this unconditional love from birth on you would be doomed to search the planet until the end of (your) days to compensate for it.

Only we figure out this thing called love without strings attached, we'll turn around.

[Ashtanga]

Look up his Oxford Speech, he is talking about unconditional love, being accepted as who you are from birth. And if you were denied this unconditional love from birth on you would be doomed to search the planet until the end of (your) days to compensate for it.

:wild:

I love this speech. Michael was so brilliant. He was so strong and intense with words. Even today when I reread this speech. I am moved with so many beautiful words and true. I'll never tire of reading it. :yes:


*I forgot to welcome the Justus. Welcome! :D

[8701girl]

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"

Look up U.S. Andersen's book "Three magic words. Or in Andersen's word:

"that man's consciousness is God's consciousness in process of becoming."

Compare that to his press conference.

Remember what is his 93 interview with Oprah he believed the reason for the very existence of Art was.

"O:And I believe everybody comes in,comes to the world for a reason,I think.Most of us have spent the life trying to figure out what the purpose of our being here is.What do you think yours is?

MJ: My purpose?Oh boy.I think to give in the best way I can,through song and through dance and through music.I mean I’m committed to my art.
I believe that all art has its untimate goal,the union between the material and the spiritual of the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existance of art.And I feel I was chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world,to children of all ages, adults and teenagers.”


MJ was a spiritual person, way beyond "well yes, I do yoga, meditate and wear a Kabbalah string".

And he was referring to that collective human consciousness, tapping into it.

Look up his Oxford Speech, he is talking about unconditional love, being accepted as who you are from birth. And if you were denied this unconditional love from birth on you would be doomed to search the planet until the end of (your) days to compensate for it.

Only we figure out this thing called love without strings attached, we'll turn around.
Michael's sprituality is one of the many reasons why i loved him and also why he was so special. He was god's child , and god gave him the talent & strength to share the love through his song & dance. I feel michael really felt that and used gods love to give to world the unique and special thing called love.

[Moddie777]

:scratch:

Hummmmmm... I do not think it's so easy and simple. For me it is something very, very, very difficult. Michael has always been a man of mystery, full of mysteries and subliminal messages. Decipher it as something I find very difficult. We are talking about feelings and thoughts that only Michael and no one else knew. Interpreting is very difficult because as you will be absolutely sure of the feelings and thoughts of that person? It is something so intimate and personal that I could say that would be a total invasion of privacy. (It was just a joke!) :wild: I find it so impossible. This is to anyone. I think it's easier (as we do here), speculation and assumptions to create what we "think" be true, than knowing the true reality of thoughts and feelings of Michael Jackson.


*Do not throw stones at me because of my contrary opinion about it... Please! lol! :bugeyed


Awwwwwwww, ashtanga. Have no fears, I won't throw stones at ya'. I'm harmless.

[Moddie777]

Welcome Justus! Hope you Enjoy yourself in here with us Romantics!


Lily, I really liked that quote form the book you posted. It really did remind me of Michael's clues especially the ones with the word "Consciouness" in them. I truly believed he was taken to newer heights with the return of this Love to him. Something very beautiful and beyound the normal realm of thinking and existing was happening to him.


True Love has a way of doing that to a person.

[Ashtanga]

Awwwwwwww, ashtanga. Have no fears, I won't throw stones at ya'. I'm harmless.


Oh, thanks Moddie! I was looking for a way to protect myself from the stones. lol! Hey, I'm glad that you are harmless. I hope others too. lol! But really, sometimes I'm afraid to write things here... Dangerous territory! :wild:
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[Ape]

Speaking of consciousness and dreams, I wonder if you all might be able to help me in a dream I had last night. Though it doesn't initially seem to have any relation, maybe digging deeper, it may?

I woke up this morning when I heard something or someone in my dream say "There is still not much time left"

I walked beside a dragon (looked very much like an enormous carp, fish) who was actually the colour of the "This Is It" poster. Looked on fire. He turned his head back to look at me. He seemed to be dying at first, but then took off, showing me only his tail to follow. I was following a dragon/fish like thing that was enormous up many different staircases. There were so many staircases and I had to find the right one that he went up.
Then a boy tried to help me find him, we ended up in a library. I was following a dragon up some very strange stairs that were like a maze of stairs, and I had to find the one that led to him. I found his tail and was about to get to him when I heard something say "There is still not much time left" and I woke up.

I wondered why it was "Still" not much time left, as if it's a good thing yet urgent. "still time left" vs "still not much time left". That phrase was on my mind, so I looked it up online. and found http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-HsfzIWly6k/Rb4tvVY3BqI/AAAAAAAAAP0/7ZoSsHY4atk/s400/Ag_Upsala_Glacier.jpg on the website http://tidewatermusings.peterstinson.com/2007_01_01_archive.html .

I posted here because there is usually such help with these things in here.

[Moddie777]

I'll come back in a few. I just read your dream Ape.

[mysterygirl7]

Ape, can you use this in your interpertation. A little story from Dancing the Dream, called ''That one in the mirror''..

I wanted to change the world, so I got up one morning and looked in the mirror. That one looking back said, "There is not much time left. The earth is wracked with pain. Children are starving. Nations remain divided by mistrust and hatred. Everywhere the air and water have been fouled almost beyond help. Do something!"

There's lots more..

[Ape]

Oh, could be Mysterygirl. That's really interesting. Thank you for that.

[summer]

There's an excerpt I read in this book a friend gave to me when I had surgery, the books called "Why We Love". The section is called "Special Meaning" and the wording although I know it has no relation to the quote reminded me of it the minute I read it last night probably because of the words.....

One of the first things that happens when you fall in love is that you experience a dramatic shift in consciousness: your "love object" takes on what psychologists call "special meaning". Your beloved becomes novel, unique, and all-important. As one smitten man phrased it, "My whole world had been transformed. It had a new center".......you begin to concentrate your passion on just one. Emily Dickenson called this private world "the realm of you".

He's always had a high level of consciousness about the world but maybe the recent shift towards that calling once again does have something to do with being in love and not only wanting to make a difference in the greater world but for the future that he was in the process of building? Anyway just wanted to add some love before I ruin it all by changing my tune about the quote from romantic love to something else.....:lol:


Here it is again.....

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"


I think what Summer said below is probably correct. It's more like Michaels trying to tell people in this world I'll be the messenger (his calling) but you need to wake up, look at that man or woman in the mirror, who do you choose to be in life? are you going to grasp onto a higher level of consciousness? WE ALL suffer pain, WE ALL love, WE ALL experience joy, ONE being humanity as a whole. How else did he reach millions and millions of people with his message, through his music.:)

It's like this quote I posted before.....

"We are seasoned in each other's lives.
our joys and sorrows woven
into the tapestry of shared history". ~Linda Ellerbee~


Michael brought people together, like a universal tapestry and whether it be, one of his songs played on every radio station, the 2 hours he performed a show, the 5 minute video played on tv, every race, religion and gender became ONE in that brief moment in time. He's magical. It didn't matter what our differences are physically, culturally, in our occupations, in our beliefs, even in our interpretations of life, love and happiness...you, me, Michael, we are all ONE in the same, we are all a part of the human race. God put us here for a reason and I think Michaels message was about what are YOU that ONE person going to do to make a difference in this world?

What did that one message he supposedly wrote on a post-it note and stuck on his bathroom mirror say...."LOVE, no violence! Remember beautiful future promise of tomorrow". However, that again can be interpreted two different ways...as in desire for world peace and a better world...OR as desire for a good, stable relationship with lots of love...which would make the future very bright and happy...:yes: Hmmm...:scratch: :D

[SoS]

What did that one message he supposedly wrote on a post-it note and stuck on his bathroom mirror say...."LOVE, no violence! Remember beautiful future promise of tomorrow". However, that again can be interpreted two different ways...as in desire for world peace and a better world...OR as desire for a good, stable relationship with lots of love...which would make the future very bright and happy...:yes: Hmmm...:scratch: :DSummer, I've gotta tell ya, I never would have thought of it that way in a million years, because at first I thought, "two ways??hmmm ...doesn't it just mean 'no violence for the world?" and I was just about to move on to the next e-mail (I read this post from my email program this a.m., and since its mostly the song interpretations and observations that attract me to open links to this thread, I was about to move on) then suddenly it hit me, I thought, "wow LOL!! like so many things in this thread, it actually can be taken two ways" ...

Remember in the song Fall Again? :huh:

"fought in a battle nobody won, left ourselves a mountain to be overcome ... the past is said and done, I need us to carry on"

"LOVE, no violence! Remember beautiful future promise of tomorrow".






another random irony:bugeyed






:dropdead:

[RainbowAngel]

Hi Ape

You can look up dream dictionary for the interpratation of your dream! I'd tried it before and they are accurate most of the time!!

[8701girl]

I have read dreams books many times ,but not sure whether to belive them

[Sdeidjs]

The Time Has Come
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again,
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,
Make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain
One in love, one in service and in consciousness"

Look up U.S. Andersen's book "Three magic words. Or in Andersen's word:

"that man's consciousness is God's consciousness in process of becoming."

Compare that to his press conference.

Remember what is his 93 interview with Oprah he believed the reason for the very existence of Art was.

"O:And I believe everybody comes in,comes to the world for a reason,I think.Most of us have spent the life trying to figure out what the purpose of our being here is.What do you think yours is?



MJ: My purpose?Oh boy.I think to give in the best way I can,through song and through dance and through music.I mean I’m committed to my art.
I believe that all art has its untimate goal,the union between the material and the spiritual of the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existance of art.And I feel I was chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world,to children of all ages, adults and teenagers.”


MJ was a spiritual person, way beyond "well yes, I do yoga, meditate and wear a Kabbalah string".

And he was referring to that collective human consciousness, tapping into it.

Look up his Oxford Speech, he is talking about unconditional love, being accepted as who you are from birth. And if you were denied this unconditional love from birth on you would be doomed to search the planet until the end of (your) days to compensate for it.

Only we figure out this thing called love without strings attached, we'll turn around.



:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Sdeidjs, I just saw that you posted in a thread that was dealing with the song "Threatened" as well and the Twilight Zone. I never saw the tread and had made up my own mind about "Threatened"- and then I just saw you post and all of a sudden things came even more together with "Threatened."

Wow, talk about the collective consciousness. Thank you, you just helped me me figure something out, amazing, how connecting the dots can be.

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, I just saw that you posted in a thread that was dealing with the song "Threatened" as well and the Twilight Zone. I never saw the tread and had made up my own mind about "Threatened"- and then I just saw you post and all of a sudden things came even more together with "Threatened."

Wow, talk about the collective consciousness. Thank you, you just helped me me figure something out, amazing, how connecting the dots can be.

I am pleased that you are pleased...anything I can do to help...:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

I am pleased that you are pleased...anything I can do to help...:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Yes, I was trying to analyze "Threatened" by means of comparing it to the "Twilight Zone" and M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village."

You just quoted me in another reference- I looked you up and saw the thread "The Twilight Zone". Talk about a "Duuuuh" moment. After reading there things kind of fell into place in regards to "Threatened".

I just read about "it's a good life" being the base and watched and saw a ton of similarities to "The village."

It's so cool when "incidental" non-related things help you see things, so cool to have my question answered.

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I always knew that I could never have something romantic with Michael however I'd had feel comforted to tell him personally how meaningful he's for me, how much I love him, my deepest admiration into him but I couldn't. :( :cry: and I feel frustrated because of it.
I proposed myself to never fall in love again, THE MOST WONDERFUL 'N BEAUTIFUL MAN ON EARTH IS GONE!! What's the use of loving romanticly if there's no man who respectsme, admires me and love trully for the way I am.

If Michael was able to find a woman who trully loved him, he was such a lucky man because nowadays it's hard to find someone that doesn't confuse commitment with marriage :(

[summer]

I was just reading my Twitter posts out of boredom and there were so many things that are almost freaky when you read them knowing what happened only 1-2days after I wrote them. And while reading them, and a song lyric I posted, I was reminded again of the song I was almost "obsessing" about back then because I loved it, but was bothered by the lyrics from the moment I listened to it because they're actually such sad lyrics.

It's the song "Written In The Stars" from Aida. I bought this Brodway Showtunes CD a couple of days before MJ died and that song was on it among other songs, and when I heard the song the first time, I loved it. But what I always hated and what I always almost "omitted" in my head when I listened to that song (and I listened to it OVER and OVER again...) was the first line in the song: "I am here to tell you, we can never meet again"...Whn ever I heard it I was instantly like "I don't like that!" :( and I always instantly changed it into "I am here to tell you we CAN meet again" in my mind. The reason why I remember it so well is because I couldn't really understand why I was so "obsessed" with that line and why it bothered me so much. I mean, it was JUST A SONG, and just a random lyric. But it bothered me endlessly for some reason. But I still fell in love with the song and listened to it over and over again. And that was about 2 days before Michael died. And when I remembered the song (and how the first line had bothered me) AFTER Michael had died, it almost freaked me out. :bugeyed I know it's just a coincidence and these things happen, but it is one of those FREAKY coincidences. Like it had been some kind of "premonition" , me feeling so incrediably bothered with the "I am here to tell you we can never meet again" lyric..just two days before MJ died. :bugeyed

And another thing that freaked me out...a DAY before MJ died...I wrote a Twitter message that said: "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take". I always say that prayer when I got to sleep....but WHY did I POST it then? WHAT made me post THAT on Twitter, only a DAY before MJ died IN HIS SLEEP?! It freaked me out when I read it afterwards. :bugeyed Like I said, I don't know if it was a coincidence or a "premonition" or what, but it's pretty freaky, don't you think?! :bugeyed

Anyways, here are the lyrics for "Written In The Stars". It's a beautiful song, but like I said, the first line always bothered me.

WRITTEN IN THE STARS

I am here to tell you we can never meet again
Simple really, isn't it, a word or two and then
A lifetime of not knowing where or how or why or when
You think of me or speak of me and wonder what befell
The someone you once loved so long ago so well

Never wonder what I'll feel as living shuffles by
You don't have to ask me and I need not reply
Every moment of my life from now until I die
I will think or dream of you and fail to understand
How a perfect love can be confounded out of hand

Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time
For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

Nothing can be altered, there is nothing to decide
No escape, no change of heart, no anyplace to hide

You are all I'll ever want, but this I am denied
Sometimes in my darkest thoughts, I wish I'd never learned
What it is to be in love and have that love returned


Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time

For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

You can listen to the song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPlu5CxbG0

Very sad lyrics. :boohoo:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

WRITTEN IN THE STARS

I am here to tell you we can never meet again
Simple really, isn't it, a word or two and then
A lifetime of not knowing where or how or why or when
You think of me or speak of me and wonder what befell
The someone you once loved so long ago so well

Never wonder what I'll feel as living shuffles by
You don't have to ask me and I need not reply
Every moment of my life from now until I die
I will think or dream of you and fail to understand
How a perfect love can be confounded out of hand

Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time
For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

Nothing can be altered, there is nothing to decide
No escape, no change of heart, no anyplace to hide

You are all I'll ever want, but this I am denied
Sometimes in my darkest thoughts, I wish I'd never learned
What it is to be in love and have that love returned


Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time

For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

You can listen to the song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPlu5CxbG0

Very sad lyrics. :boohoo:


:mello: I was listening to this song myself some weeks ago. It's on one of my Elton John CDs. I think it's about two people who were having an affair, but you could also interpret it as two people who loved each other and were unable to be together and then when they finally were able, they were only able to be in each other's lives just long enough to tell each each other they would never be able to see each other again. In that case, it could really fit in this thread very well. That's what I thought as I was listening to it anyway. I guess it would just be another one of those cruel ironies that this "love" story seems to be filled with unfortunately.

Something about this "love" story seems really off to me sometimes and I can't quite figure out what it is. I can't see God wanting two people in love and waiting a long time to be together to be involved in some kind of cruel experiment like the song suggests unless I'm reading it wrong and it is more like a test from God like when He told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac on the altar after waiting so long for him to be born into his life. I know sometimes God does do that. You wait a long time for a dream to manifest and then when it does, He allows it to die on you to see how serious you are. I heard not to long ago that God will allow a dream you have to die on you at least two or three or more times before you finally possess it. I'm sure this isn't the fist time this relationship in the dark has died when you think about it. I'm sure it's "died" at least a few times before. Abraham had no problem with it 'cause he figured if God could make a 100 year old man a father, He could do anything, even give him his son back if he wanted to. I guess it's really a test of faith.

[summer]

:mello: I was listening to this song myself some weeks ago. It's on one of my Elton John CDs. I think it's about two people who were having an affair, but you could also interpret it as two people who loved each other and were unable to be together and then when they finally were able, they were only able to be in each other's lives just long enough to tell each each other they would never be able to see each other again. In that case, it could really fit in this thread very well. That's what I thought as I was listening to it anyway. I guess it would just be another one of those cruel ironies that this "love" story seems to be filled with unfortunately.

Something about this "love" story seems really off to me sometimes and I can't quite figure out what it is. I can't see God wanting two people in love and waiting a long time to be together to be involved in some kind of cruel experiment like the song suggests unless I'm reading it wrong and it is more like a test from God like when He told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac on the altar after waiting so long for him to be born into his life. I know sometimes God does do that. You wait a long time for a dream to manifest and then when it does, He allows it to die on you to see how serious you are. I heard not to long ago that God will allow a dream you have to die on you at least two or three or more times before you finally possess it. I'm sure this isn't the fist time this relationship in the dark has died when you think about it. I'm sure it's "died" at least a few times before. Abraham had no problem with it 'cause he figured if God could make a 100 year old man a father, He could do anything, even give him his son back if he wanted to. I guess it's really a test of faith.

Great post! :) Test of faith in what way? Can you be more specific?

Let's hope it is some kind of "test"...if the "by product" is that we all can have MJ back...I'm cool with that! It would be the ULTIMATE "happy ending"! :) MJ and his "love in the dark" would get to be together...MJ's kids woudl have their daddy back...and we would know MJ is back and alive and doing well too. It would be a win-win situation for all. :clapping:*prays to God to have that happen*

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Great post! :) Test of faith in what way? Can you be more specific?


This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it. It's like the song I had mentioned before MJ's passing ironically which repeats the chorus: "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." But I must admit though, in cases like this one, it is a real faith fight for me. I tend to look at things more in the natural with my fleshly eyes, and when I do, I can't for the life of me figure it out. I think we are supposed to look with our spiritual eyes more. I tend to go back and forth thinking that God knew what He was doing and other times questioning Him. Something like this is very hard. We just can't see how something like this could possibly be the right thing. I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know. I don't know what was going on in MJ's world, but I try to take comfort in the fact that God knew exactly what was going on and He made a decision based on what He knew. I have to say that I don't really know what the happy ending would be in a case like this, it's been such a mystery to me, but I guess that's just the point - believing without seeing.

[lulubelle]

Reading the words in that song from "Aida" brought tears to my eyes. What sad lyrics yet, a beautiful song. :(

[8701girl]

:bugeyed

Anyways, here are the lyrics for "Written In The Stars". It's a beautiful song, but like I said, the first line always bothered me.

WRITTEN IN THE STARS

I am here to tell you we can never meet again
Simple really, isn't it, a word or two and then
A lifetime of not knowing where or how or why or when
You think of me or speak of me and wonder what befell
The someone you once loved so long ago so well

Never wonder what I'll feel as living shuffles by
You don't have to ask me and I need not reply
Every moment of my life from now until I die
I will think or dream of you and fail to understand
How a perfect love can be confounded out of hand

Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time
For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

Nothing can be altered, there is nothing to decide
No escape, no change of heart, no anyplace to hide

You are all I'll ever want, but this I am denied
Sometimes in my darkest thoughts, I wish I'd never learned
What it is to be in love and have that love returned


Is it written in the stars
Are we paying for some crime
Is that all that we are good for
Just a stretch of mortal time

For some God's experiment
In which we have no say
In which we're given paradise
But only for a day

You can listen to the song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPlu5CxbG0

Very sad lyrics. :boohoo:


Aww such sad lyrics :cry:

[summer]

This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it. It's like the song I had mentioned before MJ's passing ironically which repeats the chorus: "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." But I must admit though, in cases like this one, it is a real faith fight for me. I tend to look at things more in the natural with my fleshly eyes, and when I do, I can't for the life of me figure it out. I think we are supposed to look with our spiritual eyes more. I tend to go back and forth thinking that God knew what He was doing and other times questioning Him. Something like this is very hard. We just can't see how something like this could possibly be the right thing. I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know. I don't know what was going on in MJ's world, but I try to take comfort in the fact that God knew exactly what was going on and He made a decision based on what He knew. I have to say that I don't really know what the happy ending would be in a case like this, it's been such a mystery to me, but I guess that's just the point - believing without seeing.

Ah, now I get what you meant! And everything you said makes perfect sense and I totally agree. Totally know what you mean. And actually that is what I was thinking too a little after Michael died (not right away, because I was too shocked and heartbroken and angry to see ANY sense in ANY way in MJ being taken away from all of us). You know, I was like "Well, God must have had his reasons. I'd think God knows what he is doing." and I thought that who knows what the FUTURE might have brought? Maybe this was the best one of all the options? I mean, Michael died in his sleep without suffering, the world will remember him as a great entertainer, he pretty much died "at the top" after having made yet another world record. :yes: I mean, I'm not saying that's a better option than dying of old age after having had spent time with grandkids and maybe even finally having had married and having had lived "happily ever after", etc...I'm just saying that who knows what other "options" there could have been. It could have been a lot WORSE as well.

The reason I think like that is because it took me a long time to accept that my dad died and find anything positive in the whole thing. I was SO BITTER and I couldn't understand it...Until the horrible Tsunami happened and thousands of people died. And their relatives never got to say goodbye...many of them couldn't even bury the body of their loved one because it was never found. And we were all at the hospital holding my dad's hand when he died and were given the chance to say goodbye. My dad had time to sort everything out so that we were okay after his death...and he even was able to plan his own funeral (creepy and sad I know, but at least we were able to do it exactly as he wanted because he wrote instructions and what songs he wanted, etc.). And my dad never suffered while having cancer and it went quickly in the end, so he didn't have to suffer then either. And he never looked sick, so he remained as "himself" in everyone's memories and not as someone who looked sick and weak (which he would have NEVER wanted). One friend of ours was diagnosed with a brain tumor shortly after my dad died and he changed into a completely different person during it..hallucinating, paranoid, aggressive, incontinent and what not...and they couldn't leave him alone for one second because he didn't know what he was doing anymore. So he needed care 24/7...and it went on for over a year. So when I saw all that and then the tsunami thing, I said to my mom "You know mom...we were actually LUCKY...it could have been much worse with dad..." and for the first time I understood that I should actually be grateful, instead of angry, to God. None of it made sense when my dad died...but later on I was actually grateful because I realized it could have been a LOT WORSE too.

So maybe it's the same with Michael's death...it's hard to make any sense of it now and it's hard to accept it now...but I'm sure God knew what he was doing and did what he thought is best..for Michael AND for his children. Sometimes I even think that who knows if Michael was actually given a "second chance" in 1995 when he collapsed during the HBO rehearsals...That God thought it's not his time to go yet because he wanted to let Michael have children and be a parent and feel unconditionally loved by his children first? Who knows? :scratch:

Anyways, all this talk reminds me of this one story I once read and LOVED, because I think it is absolutely true and a wonderful story:


Things Aren't Always What They Seem
by: Author Unknown, Source Unknown


Two traveling angels stopped to spend the night in the home of a wealthy family. The family was rude and refused to let the angels stay in the mansion's guest room. Instead the angels were given a space in the cold basement. As they made their bed on the hard floor, the older angel saw a hole in the wall and repaired it.

When the younger angel asked why, the older angel replied, "Things aren't always what they seem".

The next night the pair came to rest at the house of a very poor, but very hospitable farmer and his wife. After sharing what little food they had the couple let the angels sleep in their bed where they could have a good night's rest.

When the sun came up the next morning the angels found the farmer and his wife in tears. Their only cow, whose milk had been their sole income, lay dead in the field. The younger angel was infuriated and asked the older angel "how could you have let this happen!? The first man had everything, yet you helped him," she accused. "The second family had little but was willing to share everything, and you let their cow die."

"Things aren't always what they seem," the older angel replied.

"When we stayed in the basement of the mansion, I noticed there was gold stored in that hole in the wall. Since the owner was so obsessed with greed and unwilling to share his good fortune, I sealed the wall so he wouldn't find it. Then last night as we slept in the farmer's bed, the angel of death came for his wife. I told him to take the cow instead. Things aren't always what they seem."

Sometimes this is exactly what happens when things don't turn out the way we think they should. Just trust that every outcome is always to your advantage. You might not realize it until much later.

[8701girl]

"Well, God must have had his reasons. I'd think God knows what he is doing."


At times i have questioned god many times and asked why"?

But i guess like u said god must have had his reasons and i guess this happened for a reason..

[lulubelle]

I believe everything happens for a reason but, we have no idea what that reason may be sometimes and this is definitely one of those times for me.

[8701girl]

Maybe god thought mike had suffered enough and decied it was his time...:(

[lulubelle]

Michael is finally at a place now where there is ultimate peace and serenity...no hatred, no mean-ness, no unfairness, no sadness... just pure happiness & love. We on earth however, miss him very much.

[8701girl]

I hope he is at peace..i :pray: that he is

But it must be hard 4 him though, seeing all this mess that is going on bout up from above

[SoS]

This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it. It's like the song I had mentioned before MJ's passing ironically which repeats the chorus: "Even though we don't understand it, the Father does all things well." But I must admit though, in cases like this one, it is a real faith fight for me. I tend to look at things more in the natural with my fleshly eyes, and when I do, I can't for the life of me figure it out. I think we are supposed to look with our spiritual eyes more. I tend to go back and forth thinking that God knew what He was doing and other times questioning Him. Something like this is very hard. We just can't see how something like this could possibly be the right thing. I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know. I don't know what was going on in MJ's world, but I try to take comfort in the fact that God knew exactly what was going on and He made a decision based on what He knew. I have to say that I don't really know what the happy ending would be in a case like this, it's been such a mystery to me, but I guess that's just the point - believing without seeing.

Yes, you've expressed this very well because this is what everyone is indeed left with now.

I was thinking that when taking into account the things we do know, it could lead perhaps toward realizing that the title of Summer's story could be our solace - a kind of 'cool' comfort perhaps - but some solace.

For instance, some things we know are, one - "He does all things well" as MP pointed out, and we know that "God is Love".

We also know from MJ's highest form of expression, that being song, that it seems Michael was singing to "someone" whom he felt had a level of lonliness that matched his own and so, had in that sense, perhaps "met" his match, and perhaps that could be where it comes into play that ...


Things Aren't Always What They Seem

Perhaps the reason that (based on the music) they did not seem to physically meet very often if at all, is because of the fact that everyone that both of them had ever physically "met" had found it necessary to hold their attention only on the physical aspects, whether it be "looks" or "thex" lol or "money" or "accomplishment" or "fame", "name" or whatever and perhaps God spared them both the agony and the ecstasy of all that being physically connected can entail, considering they both were experiencing abysmal levels of lonliness and needed to be "connected" where it really counts - in the spirit.

I say both because due to Michael's clues (if you also can easily view the eras of songs as a musical "braid" that overlaps eachother) he tells us many things about "her", eg., "she's sick and tired of being on the lonely merry-go-round", or she "woke" him from sleeping and told him that, "she was so sick and tired" (from PYT - demo which has caught my attention recently) which shows that he was "tuned in" with her lonliness - or, You Are Not Alone, where in the end adlibs he says, "you just reach out for me Girl! ... in the morning, in the evening - you and me! Together! Together..." - or Heaven Can Wait, "I don't wanna leave my baby alone", or For All Time, "if you feel alone I'll be your shoulder" or Hold My Hand, "we're better off being together, than being miserable alone"

Since he "communicated" these things through song (which come from the HIGEST Source) I wonder if its possible that this "connection" , being spiritual in nature, could have been the most important connection for him to have ever found in the end, thereby resulting in a fullfillment of a kind that only he could appreciate.


Maybe the point of this kind of love is that of appreciating who a person is in GOD'S eyes. And, when we consider the fact that when someone sees us through God's eyes, they see us, the TRUE being that we really ARE, the being that we were before we ever took our first breath, when they love us with the love of God, they love us,

So, maybe that spiritual connection is the beginning and the end of fullfillment for both of the two lonliest people in the world, who for their own reasons could not otherwise trust (the world's version or the common version of) love.

I realize the songs also talk about what he wanted them to do physically together too, but maybe just knowing that she saw him and was one with him, could have been, in a sense, all the fullfillment they really needed making the physical aspect pale in relation to the more fulfilling aspect of being loved for who one is. I'm sorry, how many ways have I said this same thing..

But, I mean, If that is the case, then maybe that was all that was called for from God's perspective too and maybe, just maybe, that just as with MJ's work over his lifetime being completed, maybe with "her", as far as God was concerned, (and MJ) maybe her "work" completed as well, maybe that's all God was trying to bless MJ with, and "her" as well - the ability to experience love on the earth plain in the purest form possible. Perhaps it is the only way it could have been accomplished without Michael having to spend the rest of his life worrying over trust.

God is Love. God Loves Love for Love's sake.

I think of the line from Eve's rap in Butterflies, "you got everything else you need". Maybe that spiritual love was really all that was missing.

I guess I'm saying that from "behind the veil", perhaps there was more fullfillment to all this than meets the eye.

Does that mean that she too is sufficiently fulfilled and is no longer lonely? Probably does not mean that, if for no other reason than the "curse" (for a believer in the bible)
that says, "thy desire shall be to thy husband ...", so maybe it will never go away,

but if its true that "God created woman for the sake of the man" then it could mean also that she is now more fulfilled from having been used by God to love, and maybe because of that, that very Love itself has lifted her higher, than she's ever been lifted before ..

.. and maybe because of the line that says "even death won't part us now" - maybe just maybe, she still gets to experience the reality of the fact that what MJ said is true - that, "love is the answer" (for all things)

and maybe, just maybe that too is a fulfillment in itself.

Maybe in the end, LOVE is what they both desired to help eachother to experience in the most spiritually meaningful way, and maybe they each trusted only to experience it in this non-physical way so as to trust the experience of loving someone (deeply, intimately and personally) at all....and/...or maybe nobody understood them like eachother did.

When you see in a person's eyes (the windows/mirrors to the soul) that aspect of yourself you dare not share with anyone else, it doesn't get more intimate and personal than that.

MJ made it clear in countless songs from era to era that "this girl" was a "hard case", so maybe his mission was fulfilled where she was concerned as well, and that was to make her feel love, which could be the reason he made such a blatantly simple statement in Give in To Me, that says, "love is a feeling".

So I do believe "they" did experience LOVE as the answer TOGETHER. :) and if so, then its all good because God is All and God is Love and God (Love) is always Good... all the time. - oh well, just another way of looking at it.

Thanks for sharing your story Summer about your dad. Everytime you write about your dad, it reminds me of my dad. :) Thank you again for sharing.

[lulubelle]

The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.

[8701girl]

The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.


I agree with everything u wrote here

[summer]

The word Love encompassed Michael. He was an Amazing person with a Beautiful Heart and Soul. Everything he did, he did with Love. He always spoke from his heart and he truly was incredibly special. I believe he was sent from heaven to be put on this earth to inspire/help people through his music, to encourage everyone to love one another, and to promote peace on earth. He was an incredible person and he will live on in all of our hearts forever.

That was so beautiful, and I totally agree.

And StateOfShock, great post also! thanks! :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Michael is finally at a place now where there is ultimate peace and serenity...no hatred, no mean-ness, no unfairness, no sadness... just pure happiness & love.

How did he get so lucky? That little fat headed rascal!

[lulubelle]

:) <3

[lulubelle]

I wrote from my heart. Thanks for the kind words. :)

[summer]

How did he get so lucky? That little fat headed rascal!

:mello:


:lol:

*squirts with a SuperSoaker towards Heaven to Mike*

*is soaked by a sudden heavy rain in return*

"Okay Mike, you win..." :hysterical::hysterical:

:tease:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow! That was profound SoS! You were really inspired! You made so many good points that I think I'll go back and read it again.

[SoS]

Wow! That was profound SoS! You were really inspired! You made so many good points that I think I'll go back and read it again. Its difficult to convey some things in writing ...I think I'll read it again too - probably needs severely editing lol and thanks!


How did he get so lucky? That little fat headed rascal! :giggle: and thanks for the comic relief!

[lulubelle]

:) Hugs to all!

[SoS]

:) Hugs to all!

HUGS to you too lulubelle (sorry I misspelled it the first time - I had an aunt who spelled it the other way :flowers: )

Hugs to lulubelle and all too :hug:

and I did edit it MP, btw!

:unsure: well ok its still long

but easier to read! :flowers: :giggle:

:flowers:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

and I did edit it MP, btw!

:unsure: well ok its still long

but easier to read! :flowers: :giggle:

:flowers:

Yeah, I noticed you added that part about "thex" (probably because you know that "thex" sells!).:giggle:

[SoS]

^ :lol:

um ... :giggle: I think you mean ... "thex thells" :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

I hope he is at peace..i :pray: that he is

But it must be hard 4 him though, seeing all this mess that is going on bout up from above

8701girl I really hope so too :pray:

[Moddie777]

Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her head bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.

[8701girl]

8701girl I really hope so too :pray:

:yes:

Moddie..dang u have the best dreams! :lol:
wow what can i say... it seems like mike has finally reached her and has let her know that is he alright :D

I think just knowing that hes still in her heart gives him so much strength, that even with him in being spirit wont hold him back from telling her " i love you- i always have & always will". And im also guessing its giving her strength knowing that michael love her and only her forever, remember true love never fades- it always forever even in death, it still strong as ever.

[TialovesMJ]

Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her her bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.

Wow Moddie what a sweet and loving dream. He was very in love with "her" and she was with him... You've never seen "her" face in your dream right?

This dream was very interesting Moddie.

[Autumn II]

Okay Guys, I had another dream lastnight!!!

I'm in a hurry but I'll try and remember as much detail as I can:

I see her sitting at the end of a bed with her her bowed and hands clasped together in her lap. She is alone in a hotel room and she is waiting for Michael. There is complete silence in the room. I can see the curtain is pulled to the left side, allowing a very good view. The one window is very large. She is wearing a dark blueish/turquoise dress with the back out. It criss crosses in the front allowing accenting her cleavage. She does not have small breast.

Within seconds, she knows he is outside of her door! She leaps up and goes straight to the large window with the curtain pulled to the side. She is all smiles when she sees Michael, who is smiling himself and looking straight ahead. As she looks at him, I can see, she is not looking outside but instead she is looking at whats occuring backstage at an event. The hotel is backstage at an event where Michael is about to go on. I can feel and hear the rumbling from ahead, where Michael is looking.
There are people around MJ but they are not closed in on him. No security has their hand on his arm or shoulders. He is walking almost freely....

This is the 90's MJ. His hair appears to have that short and wavy look. He is wearing the round shades that are not dark at all. The rims look gold plated or something. These are the kind of shades if you are wearing them, will show the person of whom you are speaking directly to in your face; would be able to see themselves almost like a mirror. He has dark jeans or pants on and they are tightly fit. His shirt or jacket is black with sparkly designs. I really can't make out the detail. I only saw this image very quickly, like a second or two.
He is smiling. I can see his teeth.

Without turning to see her there in the large window, he knows she is there waiting for him.
The next thing I see is him at the door. She runs to the door and places her hand on it as if she is feeling him. There is a diamond shape opening at the top of the door where Michael looks in and he can see her. She sees him looking in at her and they both smile at eachother.
She is giggly and very happy and so is he. There is no anxiety or fears. They are upbeat.

Within in seconds, Michael goes back to the large window. He wants her to come to it. I can see him leaning to his left and almost bending down as he waits for her. It is then, that I see. Michael has changed. As he waits only a half of a second for her to come to the window. I see this is the more recent Michael. No shades. No curls. His hair is longer and straight just like we had been seeing it for years now. He is dressed in a black dinner jacket and black slacks. He is all smiles as he waits to see her......

She emerges at the window and they both began to chuckle and giggle at one another. The people behind him are being patient. They are not pulling him away or standing at his shoulder. There is activity backstage with people getting ready and checking on props and talking with eachother but Michael and her are lost in this little cute game at the window.

And then all of a sudden, like a snapping of a finger, I see her standing out of the room and in Michael's arms. I never saw her or him open the door! But nonetheless, he is holding her in his arms and caressing her gently and lovingly. Both of their smiles never leaving their faces.
His right arm is around her waist. His left hand is holding her right hand. They are not dancing though this is a dance position. I can see her back again. It is very smooth, like a babies behind. Her hair is long and dark, past her shoulders a little. They both look ahead where i get the impression, people are awaiting and anticipating. There are also the paps there to take pictures.

I can clearly see this is a small woman. The top of her head is barely to his chest.

I see him looking down smiling very lovingly at her as he stills holds her with his right hand in his arm while holding her right hand with his left, She then takes both of her hands around his waist and slowly moves her hands up and down to feel him.

Their eyes tell eachother, " I love you". Without the spoken words and then the dream is over.

I wake up.

I will come back later and catch up on reading and your repsonses to this lastest dream.

That's an absolutely beautiful dream! Seems like it's what SHOULD have happened? One thing I get from it is a sense of "freedom." He was no longer being "controlled" by anyone, and his Security were HIS employees, and he was giving the orders?

This is what "should have" happened. In some dimension or "place," will it happen? I think there is much more to "life" than would seem obvious. ..

Carry on,

Vic

[SoS]

:yes:

Moddie..dang u have the best dreams! :lol:
wow what can i say... it seems like mike has finally reached her and has let her know that is he alright :D

I think just knowing that hes still in her heart gives him so much strength, that even with him in being spirit wont hold him back from telling her " i love you- i always have & always will". And im also guessing its giving her strength knowing that michael love her and only her forever, remember true love never fades- it always forever even in death, it still strong as ever. :giggle: so true! and they're always so sweet! and its so sweet you keep dreaming them!! :giggle: :wub:

... always revealing to us that ever so romantic and VIVID imagination (imagery) of yours :wub: :wub:

This one is almost like a scene from Break of Dawn :) or rather, inspired by

"let's both go outside and play" :giggle: :wub:

[Lily]

Great posts everyone, thanks for sharing your thoughts. This thread really is somewhere nice to escape to once in a while and let my mind wander.:) Sometimes I need a break from it all because lately I've felt like I lost my center, just sad, overwhelmed by so much and very withdrawn from life. It was time to go back to what I know, rediscover my true happiness and make changes to right myself. Which brings me to this book that I haven't read in a long time and last night I pulled it out to read. It's called "The Four Agreements", and it makes you think about what are our self-limiting beliefs that steal our joy and create needless suffering? It's based on the ancient Toltec wisdom, and teaches us ways that we can transform our lives to a new experience of freedom, true happiness, and love. If any of you have the chance to read it, it's quite enlightening and spiritually inspirational. :)


This is a good question - one I've been asking myself quite a bit lately. I guess I just see every trying time like this one as some kind of test of faith, although some may disagree and say that sometimes bad things just happen because we live in an imperfect world. I think when something like this happens, God wants us to simply trust that He did the right thing or allowed the right thing to happen even though we don't understand it.


I have to constantly remind myself that I don't know everything and that He knows things that I don't know.

I agree with everything you said here. I have always believed everything in life happens for a reason even though we may not know what the reason is at that particular moment in time. I admit I've questioned God alot this year wondering why which is not normal for me because I am always an optimistic person, but my strength hasn't been tested like it has this year for various reason in a very long time. It was like one thing after another was happening and I kept thinking, what's next? I guess the only way I've been able to move past it all is that I have to not only maintain a positive outlook on life in general but I have to trust God who is the only one that is all knowing, that He knows that there is a reason things are happening in my life. He knows why and when the time is right, He'll share with me the reason(s) why.

"If God brings me to it, He will bring me through it".




Things Aren't Always What They Seem


I agree.

[mysterygirl7]

Let's hope it is some kind of "test"...if the "by product" is that we all can have MJ back...I'm cool with that! It would be the ULTIMATE "happy ending"! :) MJ and his "love in the dark" would get to be together...MJ's kids woudl have their daddy back...and we would know MJ is back and alive and doing well too. It would be a win-win situation for all. :clapping:*prays to God to have that happen*

:angel:

[mysterygirl7]

Moddie, how did your dream feel? Did you have a good feeling with it, and how was it compared to the other dreams? Do you feel that the dreams are belonging together? that they are tangled together, like episodes..?

[MysteriousPhoenix]

... Lately I've felt like I lost my center, just sad, overwhelmed by so much and very withdrawn from life.

... But my strength hasn't been tested like it has this year for various reason in a very long time. It was like one thing after another was happening and I kept thinking, what's next?

"If God brings me to it, He will bring me through it".


I can really relate to this. This has been a particularly difficult year, hasn't it? Thanks for sharing.

[Ashtanga]

:bugeyed

Wow! I come to appear here and see what happens... a lot of things to read. :wild: I'm way behind on reading! lol! Running with the reading...






This one is almost like a scene from Break of Dawn :) or rather, inspired by

"let's both go outside and play" :giggle: :wub:
SOS, "Break of Dawn" is a hot song, very sensual and has everything to do with love. It is a declaration of love. :yes: It's the perfect soundtrack for a beautiful night of love! :smilerolleyes: :wild: :wub: :censored: :blushing:

[Lily]

I can really relate to this. This has been a particularly difficult year, hasn't it? Thanks for sharing.

Yes, more than you'll ever know..... :girl_sigh:

[Moddie777]

That's an absolutely beautiful dream! Seems like it's what SHOULD have happened? One thing I get from it is a sense of "freedom." He was no longer being "controlled" by anyone, and his Security were HIS employees, and he was giving the orders?

This is what "should have" happened. In some dimension or "place," will it happen? I think there is much more to "life" than would seem obvious. ..

Carry on,

Vic

You know something Victoria? I think you are on to something here! I didn't have time to think of it before but I think you are right on the mark!

Michael was relling us something with this dream. Could it be he was telling us exactly what
you stated: He was purposely showing us how he wanted things to be with her. In other words, he revealed his plans for his future( with her), to us.

Which again, is more proof (imo), this man was not ready to leave us. Not only due to her but of course his kids and the shows and us fans too. He had every reason to live and be happy and on top of the world and he was!

[Moddie777]

Moddie, how did your dream feel? Did you have a good feeling with it, and how was it compared to the other dreams? Do you feel that the dreams are belonging together? that they are tangled together, like episodes..?


When I woke up from this dream this morning, I felt my heart had been touched( emotionally, spiritually). I felt Michael's presence and I also felt very excited that the dream finally showed them embracing and touching. I was like, "Wow, did i just dream what I thought i did ?". I got up around 5:00am this morning and I was kinda groggy and falling over stuff in our bedroom, but my mind couldn't allow me to forget this dream. I was over anxious to share it.

I believe this dream and all I've had are interwoven. They are very much like episodes. I think Michael is communicating with us and revealing and sharing things with us that he wants known. This is pieces of their mystery and so much more.

[Moddie777]

Wow Moddie what a sweet and loving dream. He was very in love with "her" and she was with him... You've never seen "her" face in your dream right?

This dream was very interesting Moddie.


I have never made out the detail of her facial features but I have seen so much more, like the side view of her body and waist. I saw her skin tone, it is brown, similar to Rebbie's complexion( i think). Her hair is long and it looks black in my dreams. I can tell she is petite but not model skinny. Her cleavage in lastnight's dream revealed, she must have a very nice body. I had thought that before but needed more.

MJ seemed so in love with this lady (and she with him). He was going to make his personal life finally work the way we have always heard of him saying he wanted for himself.

[Ashtanga]

When I woke up from this dream this morning, I felt my heart had been touched( emotionally, spiritually). I felt Michael's presence and I also felt very excited that the dream finally showed them embracing and touching. I was like, "Wow, did i just dream what I thought i did ?". I got up around 5:00am this morning and I was kinda groggy and falling over stuff in our bedroom, but my mind couldn't allow me to forget this dream. I was over anxious to share it.

I believe this dream and all I've had are interwoven. They are very much like episodes. I think Michael is communicating with us and revealing and sharing things with us that he wants known. This is pieces of their mystery and so much more.
Moddie your dreams are very interesting. I believe that dreams are trying to show us something. For me, "she" never existed. But I was very curious about your dream. Something came to my mind now...

Have you had many dreams, but you never saw the face of this woman or you can not see in your dream? Could you describe the face of this woman?:scratch:

[Moddie777]

Yes, more than you'll ever know..... :girl_sigh:




Lily, I really love your sweetness and your gentleness.

You are a very special soul and I believe whatever questions in life you may have, the answer(s) you already possessed.

[Moddie777]

I have never made out the detail of her facial features but I have seen so much more, like the side view of her body and waist. I saw her skin tone, it is brown, similar to Rebbie's complexion( i think). Her hair is long and it looks black in my dreams. I can tell she is petite but not model skinny. Her cleavage in lastnight's dream revealed, she must have a very nice body. I had thought that before but needed more.

MJ seemed so in love with this lady (and she with him). He was going to make his personal life finally work the way we have always heard of him saying he wanted for himself.



Oh yeah, I saw her smile too. It's similar to Janet's but not as wide.

[TialovesMJ]

I have never made out the detail of her facial features but I have seen so much more, like the side view of her body and waist. I saw her skin tone, it is brown, similar to Rebbie's complexion( i think). Her hair is long and it looks black in my dreams. I can tell she is petite but not model skinny. Her cleavage in lastnight's dream revealed, she must have a very nice body. I had thought that before but needed more.

MJ seemed so in love with this lady (and she with him). He was going to make his personal life finally work the way we have always heard of him saying he wanted for himself.


Oh thanks for describing her as much as you can. So everytime i read your dreams i imagine her! :)

[8701girl]

:giggle: so true! and they're always so sweet! and its so sweet you keep dreaming them!! :giggle: :wub:

... always revealing to us that ever so romantic and VIVID imagination (imagery) of yours :wub: :wub:

This one is almost like a scene from Break of Dawn :) or rather, inspired by

"let's both go outside and play" :giggle: :wub:


Yeh it totally reminds me of "break of dawn" heheh

[lulubelle]

This thread is amazing... :)

[8701girl]

it is lulu :D

[Moddie777]

Guys,

I just read on the main page of this forum, a thread about the "Planet Earth" poem from Dancing the Dream. A fan said it will be part of the "This is it" cd. Michael will recite the poem then go into song?

I don"t know where and when this was confirmed but if it's true, then its very, very significant to this thread!

Remember I interpreted that poem. I told you, it appeared he used the poem to metaphorically speak about her. There are verses in that poem that are intimate and of a romantic nature.

If the info posted from the other fan is accurate, could this be confirmation MJ was indeed in this thread reading and following along with us?

Do you think he wanted us to know we were right?( about the poem).

Could this be part of how he was going to incorporate her in the shows?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Very interesting!

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I hope this is true, I'd so gorgeous to hear his beautiful voice saying one poem of his, it doesn't matter which, i'd be sexy though :girl_in_love:

[tha]

SOS, "Break of Dawn" is a hot song, very sensual and has everything to do with love. It is a declaration of love. :yes: It's the perfect soundtrack for a beautiful night of love! :smilerolleyes: :wild: :wub: :censored: :blushing:


I totally agree!
"Break of Dawn" is a hot song! A perfect music for a perfect moment!

ps.: Hey, Ashtanga, it's me: Tha (Brazil)!!! =)

[Lily]

Lily, I really love your sweetness and your gentleness.

You are a very special soul and I believe whatever questions in life you may have, the answer(s) you already possessed.

Thank you so much for these very kind and beautiful words Moddie. :flowers: :cry:

[Ashtanga]

I totally agree!
"Break of Dawn" is a hot song! A perfect music for a perfect moment!

ps.: Hey, Ashtanga, it's me: Tha (Brazil)!!! =)

Another Brazilian here? :scratch:Invasion of Brazilians. :wild: I do not believe it! lol!

Tha, welcome here! :D

[tha]

Another Brazilian here? :scratch:Invasion of Brazilians. :wild: I do not believe it! lol!

Tha, welcome here! :D

Brazilians will dominate the world! lol! Thanks, honey! =)

[Moddie777]

Thank you so much for these very kind and beautiful words Moddie. :flowers: :cry:


Awwwwwwww Shucks, You are welcome.

[tha]

For me, "she" never existed. But I was very curious about your dream. Something came to my mind now...


For me too!
You don't need to be in love someone to write about love, you don't need to be with someone to write about love. Love is always within us. Michael is a genius with touching emotions and feelings.
Love is inside of us, just waiting for someone (the one)to take care of its.
I don't know if I can explain exactly what I mean, but I believe that Michael would not have to be in love with someone, dating someone to write!

[Lily]

"Unimaginable things appear if only you dare to dream".....

I was reading some of my poems the other night and came across this opening line I wrote in "Dream". The poem is about living, love, hope and how anything in life is possible.....:) It reminded me of this thread. :)

[Ashtanga]

For me too!
You don't need to be in love someone to write about love, you don't need to be with someone to write about love. Love is always within us. Michael is a genius with touching emotions and feelings.
Love is inside of us, just waiting for someone (the one)to take care of its.
I don't know if I can explain exactly what I mean, but I believe that Michael would not have to be in love with someone, dating someone to write!
:wild: :clapping:
You were amazing in words. It is just that! There is more to explain...

Hey, for a long time ago I wrote a poem about love. I'll post it here for that love has everything to do with this discussion. After all, the love that moves all things.


"WHAT IS LOVE?
You can create expectations and live surprises;
It is next to someone that inspires him to flirt with the day-to-day;
Can say that each day has a new man, a body unique and inspiring;
Awaken your senses for small attitudes, and emotions without fear that if the tears fall;
Feel a smell, touch, perceive an attitude, and clicking the saliva in the middle of the teeth when speaking on the phone.
We are fascinated by the mere fact of giving accounts that is smiling to the walls;
To assess in more light and smooth colors that blend nature
Awakening to the joy of being alive and still be crying in front of this permit discovery;
Feel the look of love the energy that can only clear the tenderness.
It is in a madness of senses, realizing that the two bodies united sweat;
Power numb with shock and pleasure of the most gentle touch that he can give you;
Awakening to desire;
Feel that tone of voice that hides a lovely magic of affection.
But after all what is love?
Love is to give without expecting anything in return,
We know this fact enjoy being together,
You say that he missed without constraints;
Love is waiting with a cold front in the meeting,
You feel full and scratched with a single look,
We hope that the dream is never the last;
Love is finding itself secret qualities,
We understand the sensitivity that is sharp,
We believe that tomorrow will be even better and more colorful.
Love is to move with any attention, for it is minimal;
You can cry for joy in the midst of a routine hearing: "You have not yet realized that I am his?"
And still be able to save a "I love you" to describe it in attitudes... "

L.O.V.E :D





"Unimaginable things appear if only you dare to dream".....
This phrase says it all and I liked it. Actually things "unimaginable" are only possible in dreams. So many people have no limits to dream and so escape from reality. In dreams anything is possible. But... the reality of life is hard, cruel and fantasy does not exist. Unfortunately this is how life works.

[Ape]

I disagree. Yes life has struggles and disappointments (or lessons?) but life also has fantastic parts to it. Unimaginable parts to it. Miracles DO happen, and Love DOES exist, and dreams DO come true... for real.

I hope that you can see that someday and experience (and recognize) it if you haven't yet. It's precious.

[Lily]

I disagree. Yes life has struggles and disappointments (or lessons?) but life also has fantastic parts to it. Unimaginable parts to it. Miracles DO happen, and Love DOES exist, and dreams DO come true... for real.

I hope that you can see that someday and experience (and recognize) it if you haven't yet. It's precious.

Well said. :flowers:

[Lily]

:wild: :clapping:
This phrase says it all and I liked it. Actually things "unimaginable" are only possible in dreams. So many people have no limits to dream and so escape from reality. In dreams anything is possible. But... the reality of life is hard, cruel and fantasy does not exist. Unfortunately this is how life works.

Life is a dream in both our awake and sleep state. Things beyond our wildest imagination that we would consider unimaginable appear to us when we least expect it, you just have to hope, wish, dream and believe. :) I'll share the poem if I can remember it correctly off the top of my head to show you what I meant by saying that.....:)


"Dream"

Unimaginable things appear if only you dare to dream.....

Eyes wide open show me a world yet undiscovered
Beginning anew, I let go, change lets me just be

Like soaring amongst the clouds so peaceful
Visions envelop my being, inner peace, now I'm carefree

Beauty surrounds me creating a light so brilliant
An aura of life filled with purpose and meaning

What is a heart not filled with both sadness and love
But an empty soul that's given up on wistful dreaming

Hope carried me through the darkest of days
Revealing the landscape of a beautiful life

Dreaming that fairy tale of love makes my heart smile each day
Release all my fears and my dreams will make it alright

:)

[tha]

"WHAT IS LOVE?
You can create expectations and live surprises;
It is next to someone that inspires him to flirt with the day-to-day;
Can say that each day has a new man, a body unique and inspiring;
Awaken your senses for small attitudes, and emotions without fear that if the tears fall;
Feel a smell, touch, perceive an attitude, and clicking the saliva in the middle of the teeth when speaking on the phone.
We are fascinated by the mere fact of giving accounts that is smiling to the walls;
To assess in more light and smooth colors that blend nature
Awakening to the joy of being alive and still be crying in front of this permit discovery;
Feel the look of love the energy that can only clear the tenderness.
It is in a madness of senses, realizing that the two bodies united sweat;
Power numb with shock and pleasure of the most gentle touch that he can give you;
Awakening to desire;
Feel that tone of voice that hides a lovely magic of affection.
But after all what is love?
Love is to give without expecting anything in return,
We know this fact enjoy being together,
You say that he missed without constraints;
Love is waiting with a cold front in the meeting,
You feel full and scratched with a single look,
We hope that the dream is never the last;
Love is finding itself secret qualities,
We understand the sensitivity that is sharp,
We believe that tomorrow will be even better and more colorful.
Love is to move with any attention, for it is minimal;
You can cry for joy in the midst of a routine hearing: "You have not yet realized that I am his?"
And still be able to save a "I love you" to describe it in attitudes... "

L.O.V.E :D




I had goosebumps! Beautiful!



P.S => "Ain't no big secret so forget all you heard
Love ain't nothing but a four-letter word
For some it's for better, for some it's for worse
Love ain't nothing but a four-letter word
Love aint' nothing?" - Love ain't nothinf but a four letter word - Bon Jovi

[Ashtanga]

Lily and Ape, you are right. :)

But...

People have different opinions. If all people had the same thoughts and opinions equal, the world would be so boring and nothing would be helpful. It's always great to hear both sides of opinions.

But...

I always look the other way about everything. Completely out of the "conventional" and contrary to everything and everyone. I am so kind and I believe that I will not never change that about me. This is my human nature. :cheeky:



P.S.

Lily, the poem about the dream is beautiful. :yes:
Tha, thanks for the compliment! :cheeky:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

For me too!
You don't need to be in love someone to write about love, you don't need to be with someone to write about love. Love is always within us. Michael is a genius with touching emotions and feelings.
Love is inside of us, just waiting for someone (the one)to take care of its.
I don't know if I can explain exactly what I mean, but I believe that Michael would not have to be in love with someone, dating someone to write!

Well, I dunno, I guess a person could always "fake it 'till they make it" I guess, but I think Michael was too sensitive, passionate, romantic, loving, deep and sincere of a person to sing songs that didn't have any personal meaning to him at all. He sung with so much passion and feeling and his songs always had such depth too. Let's face it, sometimes the man could be on fiyah! lol! It's hard to manufacture something like that and he also didn't seem like someone who would just sing something for a buck, at least not when he was older and had options. I also think it would be so sad if he didn't truly experience those intense feelings about someone that he sang about, especially when he had repeatedly said that he wanted to be loved. But, of course, that's just my humble opinion and I can respect everyone else's viewpoint as well.:cheeky:





"Dream"

Unimaginable thing appear if only you dare to dream.....

Eyes wide open show me a world yet undiscovered
Beginning anew, I let go, change lets me just be

Like soaring amongst the clouds so peaceful
Visions envelop my being, inner peace, now I'm carefree

Beauty surrounds me creating a light so brilliant
An aura of life filled with purpose and meaning

What is a heart not filled with both sadness and love
But an empty soul that's given up on wistful dreaming

Hope carried me through the darkest of days
Revealing the landscape of a beautiful life

Dreaming that fairy tale of love makes my heart smile each day
Release all my fears and my dreams will make it alright

:)

Sweeeeeet!:)

[Moddie777]

Well, I dunno, I guess a person could always "fake it 'till they make it" I guess, but I think Michael was too sensitive, passionate, romantic, loving, deep and sincere of a person to sing songs that didn't have any personal meaning to him at all. He sung with so much passion and feeling and his songs always had such depth too. Let's face it, sometimes the man could be on fiyah! lol! It's hard to manufacture something like that and he also didn't seem like someone who would just sing something for a buck, at least not when he was older and had options. I also think it would be so sad if he didn't truly experience those intense feelings about someone that he sang about, especially when he had repeatedly said that he wanted to be loved. But, of course, that's just my humble opinion and I can respect everyone else's viewpoint as well.:cheeky:




Sweeeeeet!:)



I second that! Nice going Lily!!!!

[tha]

Well, I dunno, I guess a person could always "fake it 'till they make it" I guess, but I think Michael was too sensitive, passionate, romantic, loving, deep and sincere of a person to sing songs that didn't have any personal meaning to him at all. He sung with so much passion and feeling and his songs always had such depth too. Let's face it, sometimes the man could be on fiyah! lol! It's hard to manufacture something like that and he also didn't seem like someone who would just sing something for a buck, at least not when he was older and had options. I also think it would be so sad if he didn't truly experience those intense feelings about someone that he sang about, especially when he had repeatedly said that he wanted to be loved. But, of course, that's just my humble opinion and I can respect everyone else's viewpoint as well.:cheeky:


But I did not say that Mike writes his songs just for writing! I believe in his feelings, just do not think he needed relate to someone to write about it!:cheeky:

[Lainy]

Life is a dream in both our awake and sleep state. Things beyond our wildest imagination that we would consider unimaginable appear to us when we least expect it, you just have to hope, wish, dream and believe. :) I'll share the poem if I can remember it correctly off the top of my head to show you what I meant by saying that.....:)


"Dream"

Unimaginable thing appear if only you dare to dream.....

Eyes wide open show me a world yet undiscovered
Beginning anew, I let go, change lets me just be

Like soaring amongst the clouds so peaceful
Visions envelop my being, inner peace, now I'm carefree

Beauty surrounds me creating a light so brilliant
An aura of life filled with purpose and meaning

What is a heart not filled with both sadness and love
But an empty soul that's given up on wistful dreaming

Hope carried me through the darkest of days
Revealing the landscape of a beautiful life

Dreaming that fairy tale of love makes my heart smile each day
Release all my fears and my dreams will make it alright

:)


Gorgeous Lily!!!!
You almost made me cry!

I believe in dreams!

[8701girl]

Guys,

I just read on the main page of this forum, a thread about the "Planet Earth" poem from Dancing the Dream. A fan said it will be part of the "This is it" cd. Michael will recite the poem then go into song?

I don"t know where and when this was confirmed but if it's true, then its very, very significant to this thread!

Remember I interpreted that poem. I told you, it appeared he used the poem to metaphorically speak about her. There are verses in that poem that are intimate and of a romantic nature.

If the info posted from the other fan is accurate, could this be confirmation MJ was indeed in this thread reading and following along with us?

Do you think he wanted us to know we were right?( about the poem).

Could this be part of how he was going to incorporate her in the shows?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......


mmm intereting..

[Justus]

hi everybody, thank you so much for your wonderful welcome! I really mean that. I'll be able to post more later but right now I'm a bit busy. I'll talk to you all later!

btw, Ape, awesome dreams!

[Ashtanga]

Hey, Justus... you've been gone! Not disappear! It was good to see you again here. :)

[summer]

I disagree. Yes life has struggles and disappointments (or lessons?) but life also has fantastic parts to it. Unimaginable parts to it. Miracles DO happen, and Love DOES exist, and dreams DO come true... for real.

I hope that you can see that someday and experience (and recognize) it if you haven't yet. It's precious.

I agree...Miracles do happen and love does exist and dreams do come true...Just seems it's always with OTHER people. Those things seem to always come to other people and you can just keep dreaming. But as I've said many times: One can't always have everything...ya know? *shrugs* I guess one just have to try to be satisfied with what one is being given in life no matter how lacking and have to just try to deal with it, even if it's painful. I'm sure God knows what he's doing? He must have his reasons? There must be a purpouse? And it's important to always appreciate what you DO have, because I think things could always be worse too.

COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS

I sighed because the day was dark-
and then I met a child who had no eyes.
I complained because the walk was long-
until I met a man who had no legs.
I prayed for wealth beyond my need-
and then I met a poor soul with no bread at all.
Oh God, forgive me- for the world is mine!

-Unknown

[summer]

I had to. :lol: This cracked me up..because you guys dissect every "sign" and "coincidence". Here's one....can you spot it? :lol:



Hmmm it has something that resembles a Paris... the sweet and innocent look of a child. :wub::)



Ahhhhh so beautiful, a little princess. Thanks for posting this beautiful picture. She is very pretty! Wow, you made me remember something... Here in Brazil there is a presenter of a children's program called "Maísa", she has 6 years of age. The look of it is inspired by Shirley Temple and she is very like her!



The Shirley Temple Brazilian:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4493/maisasabadoanimadosbt.jpg






Shirley and Maísa:


http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/315/shirleymaisa6.jpg








http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6382/72863606.jpg

[Justus]

Hey, Justus... you've been gone! Not disappear! It was good to see you again here. :)

thank you ashtanga, it is good to be seen! lol btw I love the quote in your siggy.

[Ashtanga]

thank you ashtanga, it is good to be seen! lol btw I love the quote in your siggy.

Thanks! :D

I'm glad you enjoyed my siggy. It is a small tribute to my great eternal love: Michael Jackson. :wub:




COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS

I sighed because the day was dark-
and then I met a child who had no eyes.
I complained because the walk was long-
until I met a man who had no legs.
I prayed for wealth beyond my need-
and then I met a poor soul with no bread at all.
Oh God, forgive me- for the world is mine!

Wow! :clapping:

Beautiful! Thanks for posting! :D







I had to. :lol: This cracked me up..because you guys dissect every "sign" and "coincidence". Here's one....can you spot it? :lol:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6382/72863606.jpg

Wow! I posted this so long and no one paid attention at the time. lol! Shirley Temple and Maisa are so similar.



I had not seen, but came back to look again carefully at the picture. And now I've seen! lol! Michael is wearing a pin with the image of the face of little Shirley Temple! Beautiful! :wild:

Hey, "someone" told me that there are no coincidences. Perhaps this is true. I need evidence to prove it. lol! :smilerolleyes:

[tha]

Thanks! :D

I had not seen, but came back to look again carefully at the picture. And now I've seen! lol! Michael is wearing a pin with the image of the face of little Shirley Temple! Beautiful! :wild:

Hey, "someone" told me that there are no coincidences. Perhaps this is true. I need evidence to prove it. lol! :smilerolleyes:


:smilerolleyes:

[Lainy]

Michael is wearing a pin with the image of the face of little Shirley Temple! Beautiful!

Also didn't pay attention to this detail! wow!!!!!


Hey ashtanga, "There is no coincidences" hehe

[AllForMJ]

I had not seen, but came back to look again carefully at the picture. And now I've seen! lol! Michael is wearing a pin with the image of the face of little Shirley Temple! Beautiful! :wild:

Hey, "someone" told me that there are no coincidences. Perhaps this is true. I need evidence to prove it. lol! :smilerolleyes:
ANOTHER coincidence?!! :wild:

Mike got you TOO, huh ashtanga?!! :lol: :rofl:

[Ashtanga]

ANOTHER coincidence?!! :wild:

Mike got you TOO, huh ashtanga?!! :lol: :rofl:
This means that Michael was here on the topic. The picture of the pin is exactly like the picture of Shirley that I posted here! Was it in my honor? lol! I hope so... I'm so glad that now! I think Michael thought I was noticing. lol! :wild:

Thanks my dear Michael... my eternal love! :wub:


:wild: :D This was a great coincidence! Hey, there are no coincidences! lol!


AllForMJ, you're missing a little here. It was good to see you again here!:)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Wow.. that's awesome ashtanga! :D :D

[Ashtanga]

^^ Wow.. that's awesome ashtanga! :D :D

I'm such a fool because of it. lol!:wild: But I'm very, very, very happy! :D :wub:

If not for the Summer redeem that post, I would never remember this post.

Thanks Summer! :cheeky:
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[tha]

This means that Michael was here on the topic. The picture of the pin is exactly like the picture of Shirley that I posted here! Was it in my honor? lol! I hope so... I'm so glad that now! I think Michael thought I was noticing. lol! :wild:

Thanks my dear Michael... my eternal love! :wub:

:wild: :D This was a great coincidence! Hey, there are no coincidences! lol!




"Hey, there are no coincidences!" :wild: Yeah, yeah, yeah!!!

Viva a Maísa estrangeira! lol

[8701girl]

This means that Michael was here on the topic. The picture of the pin is exactly like the picture of Shirley that I posted here! Was it in my honor? lol! I hope so... I'm so glad that now! I think Michael thought I was noticing. lol! :wild:

Thanks my dear Michael... my eternal love! :wub:


:wild: :D This was a great coincidence! Hey, there are no coincidences! lol!


AllForMJ, you're missing a little here. It was good to see you again here!:)


Wow im speechless

[Ashtanga]

Looking in my archives I found this other picture:


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5796/98734932872341080p11285.jpg

Again the pin with the image of Shirley Temple. :wub:

[8701girl]

Wow mike must of been a fan of hers :D

She was a lil cutie

[Ashtanga]

Wow mike must of been a fan of hers :D

She was a lil cutie


Yes! This means that Michael was here. :yes:

Thanks my dear Michael! :wub:

[8701girl]

Omg i cant belive he looked here..oh god :blush:

[TialovesMJ]

Omg i cant belive he looked here..oh god :blush:

I know :D :D :D :D !!!

[8701girl]

I hope i didnt write anything embrassing ..

[tha]

Looking in my archives I found this other picture:


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5796/98734932872341080p11285.jpg

Again the pin with the image of Shirley Temple. :wub:


That was beautiful! I'm shivering so far! Michael is amazing! He excels himself always! =D

[8701girl]

Cute pin he wearing :D

[Justus]

ashtanga, you are SO incredibly observant! Everyone, I think she gets the MJJC Bravo Zulu Award for best observer...what do you think? great job! ;)

And don't be embarrassed, you all, from Michael's having been here. I am SURE he enjoyed you and your company. And I am SURE he loved talking to you!

[Ashtanga]

ashtanga, you are SO incredibly observant! Everyone, I think she gets the MJJC Bravo Zulu Award for best observer...what do you think? great job! ;)

And don't be embarrassed, you all, from Michael's having been here. I am SURE he enjoyed you and your company. And I am SURE he loved talking to you!

Oh, Justus! We have to thank the Summer, was that he saw this great and amazing coincidence. :yes:
I forgot my post. If it were not for the Summer, I would never see.

This shows that Michael saw a picture of Shirley that I posted here and must have liked the picture. It was coincidence that many de pin be exactly the picture I posted here.

Hey, there are no coincidences! This was not a coincidence! :wild:

I'm jumping for joy for it. This can be so stupid... but for me it is not. A small gesture as Michael, but has a great importance to me! :wub:

[Justus]

Oh, Justus! We have to thank the Summer, was that he saw this great and amazing coincidence. :yes:
I forgot my post. If it were not for the Summer, I would never see.

This shows that Michael saw a picture of Shirley that I posted here and must have liked the picture. It was coincidence that many de pin be exactly the picture I posted here.

Hey, there are no coincidences! This was not a coincidence! :wild:

I'm jumping for joy for it. This can be so stupid... but for me it is not. A small gesture as Michael, but has a great importance to me! :wub:

well congrats to summer, too!

[Ashtanga]

well congrats to summer, too!


Justus, I almost forgot this:

MJJC Bravo Zulu Award >>> I love it! lol! :clapping:

You were very creative! lol! :yes: :wild:

[Justus]

Justus, I almost forgot this:

MJJC Bravo Zulu Award >>> I love it! lol! :clapping:

You were very creative! lol! :yes: :wild:

"Creativity" is my middle name! hahaha

[mysterygirl7]

"Creativity" is my middle name! hahaha

So what's your take on this thread?

[Justus]

I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.

[Sdeidjs]

I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.


Impressive..! :punk:

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ashtanga]

Michael is L.O.V.E. Is difficult to describe Michael. There are no words that can describe it. For me, Michael has always been amazing in every way, in everything he did and always will be. This segment (Michaelmania) has everything to do with Michael. :yes::wub:

[Justus]

In Michael there is a "simple complexity" that most people don't really understand. It is an irony, really, maybe even an oxymoron. But it's true. So simple...yet so hard to understand...so complex and complicated...yet so simple...how can that be??? Well, it is just the reality of it all.

[tha]

Michael is L.O.V.E. Is difficult to describe Michael. There are no words that can describe it. For me, Michael has always been amazing in every way, in everything he did and always will be. This segment (Michaelmania) has everything to do with Michael. :yes::wub:

It is just that! Michael is the most beautiful way of love! We can not describe him, words can not measure this wonderful man! And I would love to had the chance to say it to him personally!
I know he knows the love from fans is sincere, I know he loves us too, he really does!
Well, I never can express how I feel about it! Never! All I know is that love grows every moment that it hurts in the chest! ='(

[Autumn II]

I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.

Thank you. This was absolutely beautiful.

Will You Be There was a pivotal song. I believe it was written for someone he loved, but could not touch. . . . . . . And the same with her. The song always makes me cry. And now? I can no longer listen to it. It seems that he did not know if she was "real," or of this earth (the angel descends and blankets him with love, with her wings?), or not. Maybe he hoped?

Yes, "spinning" is even better than dancing. . . .

Thanks, everyone, for the depth and insights, and LOVE, of this thread. Beautiful. . . . .

Victoria

[Justus]

Thank you. This was absolutely beautiful.

Will You Be There was a pivotal song. I believe it was written for someone he loved, but could not touch. . . . . . . And the same with her. The song always makes me cry. And now? I can no longer listen to it. It seems that he did not know if she was "real," or of this earth (the angel descends and blankets him with love, with her wings?), or not. Maybe he hoped?

Yes, "spinning" is even better than dancing. . . .

Thanks, everyone, for the depth and insights, and LOVE, of this thread. Beautiful. . . . .

Victoria

I've been trying to write something in response...something or someone won't let me finish it or post it. Ok, I GET THE PICTURE! I won't write it.

[Justus]

Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.

[Autumn II]

Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.

Thank you. I'm not quite ready to do that, but will have to gear up for it? But soon? (today) And I'll get a box of tissues. I find it difficult, still, to listen to ANY of Michael's music at all. Doesn't matter, really. I can hear it all in my mind. What a MAGNIFICENT body of work!

Mostly I've stayed away from posting in this thread, although I do read here. I think most folks on MJJC don't quite understand it?

I had a strange thing happen this afternoon (strange things happen to me often. . they just DO?) I read Justus' long post, and was very moved by it, but also somehow unsettled. (Maybe I'll explain. . maybe not. . . .) I then went to the grocery store. I have plenty of food, but my TEN animals needed food. That would be my five cats (all rescues, some of them "differently abled"), and the five raccoons I seem to be supporting! (long story). Anyway, it's a strange day, in general. A cold-front is moving through. I live in the mountains, and we have wild weather, often. Parts of the sky were blue, and parts had dark clouds. I was driving, and thinking about that post. I believe in a "higher power." Some people do not, and that's ok. But I DO. So at first I thought I'd ask for a sign. . . from the "higher power." But when I asked, instead, I asked Michael! What happened next was a small, random thing. Nothing, really. A LARGE raindrop fell on the windshield of my car. Huge, maybe two inches across. Then a space of about ten seconds, and a second huge raindrop fell. That was all. . . . .

(Justus, I've sent you a PM.)

Carry on,

Vic

[Lily]

I truly believe in signs Victoria. :)

I also know what you mean about listening to Michaels music. Last week was the first time since that day that I was able to but only because "Man in the Mirror" came on the radio on my way to work. I told myself, just listen. I sobbed the entire time it was on, just a mess when I got to the parking garage at work. Now, slowly I put one cd back into my car and have been listening to only 2 songs over and over and I'm not sure why "Another Part of Me" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". I know for myself getting to this point of listening to Michaels voice has been very difficult. Take your time. You'll know when the time is right for you. Maybe you'll get another sign. :)

[Autumn II]

I truly believe in signs Victoria. :)

I also know what you mean about listening to Michaels music. Last week was the first time since that day that I was able to but only because "Man in the Mirror" came on the radio on my way to work. I told myself, just listen. I sobbed the entire time it was on, just a mess when I got to the parking garage at work. Now, slowly I put one cd back into my car and have been listening to only 2 songs over and over and I'm not sure why "Another Part of Me" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You". I know for myself getting to this point of listening to Michaels voice has been very difficult. Take your time. You'll know when the time is right for you. Maybe you'll get another sign. :)

I have "signs," daily. With signs, some are wishful thinking/imagination, and others transcend that. Those songs, that Justus recommended, are still very difficult for me.

They are these (plus "I'll Be There." For that there are both child and adult versions.)

MTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ

Concert version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPWeu33s34

The first is the MTV Anniversary special. In this one, a black angel descends. The second is a concert performance. In this version, the angel has red hair and light skin. He cries at the spoken part, in both versions. I still can't watch all of them, yet. Maybe later?

[No-Body]

Beware folks, I have the feeling a rather long post is coming up. I guess it is true – the more things change, the more they stay the same. It is strange though to come back to this particular thread after June 25th. I meant to intervene a little earlier, but I got caught up in some other issues. I hope I'll remember all the things I wanted to write. As always with these kind of posts, they relate to all kinds of stuff, not necessarily to the exact previous line of thought.

During the last month I have had the priviledge to attend two public events celebrating Michael's life and work. On both ocassions – on his birthday and the Sunday before last -I felt an overwhelming sense of joy, hope, serenity, but above all love. I actually resent the word 'fan' because it comes from fanaticism and I like to think that isn't the proper word to describe my feelings towards Michael, but it certainly felt good to be among people of the same spirit sharing the admiration and the love for the man. What I loved most about both events was the diversity of the crowd, especially in terms of age – from toddlers to old folks. The most emotional moments which actually made me cry both times were related to 'Heal the world' when people were holding hands and dancing together in circle and singing the lyrics to the song. I felt those moments symbolized what Michael's life, struggle and example have always been about – caring about others, loving them and protecting this world we are leaving behind as legacy to our children and our grandchildren, and truth be told, we are leaving it in a rather wretched state.

Justus recalled earlier Michael's complexity and simplicity. Indeed, he was such a simple, yet complex man. He led a life most of us cannot begin to imagine – working 95% of it, being insanely famous for almost 80% of it, achieving so much and hurting so much. No other man in history has been this famous, this long, achieved as much or suffered as much in terms of their identity, innocence and work being questioned to the nth degree. It is no wonder the man kept manequins as friends, it is no wonder he could not relate to the ordinary joys of life like standing in line at the coffee shop, buying a lotto ticket or walking the dog in the park. In spite of living such an isolated life, he could express our inner most feelings and relate to that core which makes us all human no matter our race, age, gender, nationality or religion. He tapped into that fountain which makes human nature so beautiful – those honest, deep desires we all have no matter the longitude, the latitude or age of history we live in – what we basically all look for is unconditional love and a safe and serene environment in which to raise children and share life with those we love most, whilst also helping, when we can, those less fortunate than us. It is all so simple, isn't it? This actually reminds me of a great quote, whose author I unfortunately do not remember and it goes something like this – people use complicated words to say simple things when they should be using simple words to say complicated things. And in that spirit and recalling Heal the world which I mentioned earlier – are there any more sublime words than “stop existing and start living?” Those five simple words have an entire philosophy of life behind them and demonstrate so exquisitely how simple and yet complex Michael was.


There are two other, maybe three issues on my mind right now as they pertain to this discussion. The first came about a few pages back and it deals with June 25th and the burdensome questions addressed to God. Although my faith in the Lord is steadfast, I must confess that I could not help but wonder why and especially why now? In my version of things he was supposed to be the post-modern day Job – after being tested in so many ways, the second part of his life would be even greater in rewards than the first. I foolishly believed that after the trial, he could do anything; if he had passed through that ordeal, nothing was impossible. He was supposed to get married a third and final time, for the first time before the Lord, have some kids trying to beat his dad's record, if not coming close to it....In my imagination he would put out a final pop album, an unplugged session and even an album featuring the most amazing national/regional artists (such as Xavier Naidoo in Germany or Adriano Celentano in Italy – both of whom are greatly talented, spiritually and socially aware men, as Michael) and then I 'saw' him witness his complete vindication before the entire world, him being an elder statesman not only of entertainment, but world affairs going around the world and lecturing about the state of the world. I saw all this for many decades to come and I would have given all of it if only he could have lived peacefully away from the prying eyes of the world together with his three little angels. I've probably went through every stage of grieving since late June, from denial to acceptance, except for maybe anger. I am saddened by the capacity of man to hurt fellow man, but I cannot feel angry. The only option I have is to trust God – He knows everything and I don't. We now see partially and probably can't see the forrest because of the trees, but one day all will be revealed.


A few days ago I discovered a very special performance of Ben http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36DO_nrJeA I don't know about yall, but my heart was shred to pieces when looking at that little boy's face, I saw such incomprehensible melancholy, sorrow and deep sadness that I just wished I could pull him out of the screen and give him a hug. I cannot begin or even dare to imagine what was taking place before or after that performance. And this is what hurts the most – that wonderful man which had suffered soooo much from such a tender age was so dreadfully alone. We all want and deserve true love in our lives, but boy did this kid deserve it more than any? I can only hope that Michael indeed found complete (intelectual, spiritual and physical) love in someone before his departure, otherwise it wouldn't have been fair. Someone he could sing to something like Adriano Celentano's “L'emozione non ha voce” (emotion doesn't have a voice)....

You can listen to this wonderful song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkXI2P1qIk

And the translation courtesy of Google, with a tiny bit of help goes something like this:

I can not speak of love,
emotion has no voice
And I lack a little breathing
if you're near, there's too much light

My soul spreads
as music summer
then you know the urge takes me
and comes on with your kisses

I with you will be very honest
I'll remain what I am
Dishonest never, I swear
but if you betray, I won't forgive

I will be forever your friend,
even jealous as you know
I know I contradict myself
but precious are you to me

Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
until I know that you will want it

Two different characters
are easily ignited
but divided we lost
we feel almost nothing
We are tied together by
a love that gives us
the deep conviction
that no one will divide us


Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
till you want

then we'll live as you know
only with sincerity
love and trust,
then it will be what it will be

Chorus:
Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us
Fully us uhu uhu

I loove the line 'se ci sei, c'e tropa luce' (if u're near there's too much light), I think it sooo poetic, so beautiful and so raw.

I really hope Michael knew how beautiful he was and how loved he was. Whenever I see that sea of people underneath his hotel window in Will you be there, I can't help but feel both proud and sad. Proud that he could summon such love and attention from people, but sadness that he was all alone. Lord only knows if Michael found earthly love, but I hope at least now we will listen to his message. After all, LOVE IS HIS MESSAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjqcceU5Q He already said so long ago :happy:

P.S. Sorry again about the length of the post and congrats to the brave souls who ventured into it. Hugs and love to everyone and to those of you still struggling to listen to Michael's music...take all the time you need, in the end you will see you can make it through the songs with a smile on your face. :yes:

[summer]

I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.

Okay that post just made me cry (literally). :boohoo: It was so beautiful. And it just made me realize ONCE AGAIN (like I seem to be doing several times a day still) how MUCH I miss Michael. It SO touches my heart when I see people write beautiful things about Michael and the kind of person he was and the kind of "power" he had. It just makes my heart so happy because that was the Michael WE saw...and always hoped the rest of the world would see or even just TRY to see as well.

Just like you, I'm having trouble finding the right words for a reply. It seems I can't really get myself into writing down much about Michael, what he meant to me, etc. I've been intending to write a post on my blog about Michael since the day he died...but I have not been able to get myself to do it to this day. When ever I even just think about it it feels I have so much to say that even just the thought seems to "exhaust" me emotionally. Like, there is so much I want to say it would take me DAYs to write it down and no space on any blog would be enough for it. It would just be too long. Also, like I said, it is so hard to find the right words. And I guess part of what is stopping me is my own self going"Come on...you didn't even KNOW him...stop being so sad. It's not like you were FRIENDS with him. Snap out of it already!". But no matter how I try I just can't stop missing Michael and being sad. Mostly because it breaks my heart to know what a BEAUTIFUL PERSON he was...and to know he is gone. It doesn't seem to matter that I didn't know him personally...it's knowing how UNIQUE he was that makes me sad. There was and never will be another person like Michael. He was so INCREDIABLY talented....that alone is SUCH a loss. But at least we have the albums and short films left to give some comfort. But then his personality was just so beautiful and unique also and THAT makes me cry bitter tears....because it is SO UNFAIR that he is gone. There was nothing weird about him...there was nothing "wacky" about him....and I so wish people could have understood him. Or even just TRIED. It makes me cry to know what a beautiful person he was and then know what kind of pain he had to endure...simply because people were ignorant. In a way it seems it was all the hateful people in this world who killed Michael. Maybe if they all had been a little nicer, Michael would still be with us? I hope all of those who made fun of Michael and were mean to him while he lived, looked into their hearts (if they have one) when Michael died and realized what they did.

Anyways, I don't really know what my point is...all I know is that I could go on and on about how beautiful Michael was. He was such a big part of my life, even when I didn't know him at all...but simply because I so admired him and looked up to him. To me he was the most beautiful soul on this earth...and I always wished there were more people like Michael on this planet. He gave me SO MANY happy moments...so many beautiful memories I can look back to and smile...through his music, performances, etc. And one thing he brought was friends. No matter how hard it may be to find friends in "real life"...no matter how "rejected" you may be....when you went to a place Michael went...all there was, was love. The fans welcomed you the way you were, no one ever had to be alone...we were all there, united, loving each other and loving Michael. The HAPPIEST moments in my life have all been at MJ events. Simply because I felt truly loved and accepted. I always went alone...but I was never alone. And that was something that really comforted me after Michael died as well. When I went to the O2 on July 13th for the vigil, I was scared I'll be alone. But no...I was welcomed by the REAL fans. Some who I had met just a few months before at MJ's hotel, some whom I only knew from MJJC. But we cried together, hugged each other...and it felt so good to be surrounded by people who knew EXACTLY what I was feeling. And it was comforting to know the people were all still there, even when Michael was gone. Kind of same thing with this thread....it is nice that it is still "alive". This thread was always fun to come to...something "magical" and "fun". A little "world of our own". Like a "refuge", almost. We've shared so many things in this thread, and it feels everyone is allowed to freely show what they feel and think, so it's nice. I haven't posted that much on this thread simply because I'm not so good with all the "theories", as I've said before. But I've always enjoyed reading this thread.

Anyways, I have no idea what my "point" is....But just wanted to reply and say thank you. Really loved your post. It was beautiful.

I just miss Michael so much....:boohoo: Not only his music, his voice, his performances...but even just the little cute random things he did...like him wearing clothes that don't match that always made me smile and think "Oh Michael...":smilerolleyes: because I thought it was cute because it was so "HIM" to do that. I just miss everything. :boohoo: And I wish he could come back. :boohoo: I keep praying to God that God could find a way to get him come back. I don't know HOW...but I leave that for God to figure out. I keep going through the ending of Moonwalker in my head... over and over again.. (the one where the kids are discussing the star..."his lucky star"...and Katie looks at the star and goes "It's not his lucky star? It's NOT! He's GONE!" and then she goes "I wish he'd come back"....and then a wind comes and Michael walks out from the fog and the kids run to hug him and MJ's like "I'm so happy to see you! You know I had to come back!"....and then they "go back to the club".) I know it's naive, but I keep going through that scene over and over again in my head and feel like if I believe in it hard enough, it will come true. I know it's just wishful thinking....but I keep praying to God it could come true anyway. I don't know how...but...I still keep praying. :cry:


Victoria, do something for me? Listen to two songs. If you have to cry, cry. Please bring yourself to listen to these two songs in sequence: Will You Be There, and I'll Be There. Be strong, be courageous, and listen in love and Faith. I'm not TELLING you what to do, because nobody can do that, but I am simply ASKING.

And your welcome, for me making that big long post. It took a lot of thought, and effort, but it came straight from the heart. Blessings and hugs to you.

I know that post was for Victoria...But I had to comment because I love those songs so much. And now they make me cry my eyes out. :boohoo: Not only because of the lyrics and beautiful melodies...but because there are so many memories attached to those songs as well. :cry: I couldn't get Will You Be There, I'll Be There and One Day In Your Life out of my head in London at the O2 on July 13th. I kept thinking "Michael...I said I'll be here in July...and I kept my word. I'm here." :cry: And when I was walking inside the O2 bubble...exactly where I had been just four months earlier. Exactly where I had seen Michael and had been SO HAPPY...I kept singing One Day In Your Life over and over again in my head.

One day in your life
you'll remember a place
Someone's touching your face
You'll come back and you'll look around you

One day in your life
You'll remember the love you found here
You'll remember me somehow
Though you don't need me now
I will stay in your heart
And when things fall apart
You'll remember one day... (That day being March 5th (and 6th) when I saw Michael for the very last time RIGHT THERE and was SO HAPPY...:boohoo:)

One day in your life
When you find that you're always waiting
For the love we used to share
Just call my name
And I'll be there (Again...Michael said in March "See you in July"...and I said I'll be there...and I was. Just like I said. :boohoo:)

Anyways, all those songs just make me cry so much now. And Man In The Mirror. I can't stop picturing Michael's casket at the Memorial when ever I hear Man In The Mirror now. :boohoo: And all the years of having been a fan run through my mind like a film when I hear that song. :cry: I wish I could go back to 1987 when I first became a fan...and re-live all the years of having been a fan again.



Thank you. I'm not quite ready to do that, but will have to gear up for it? But soon? (today) And I'll get a box of tissues. I find it difficult, still, to listen to ANY of Michael's music at all. Doesn't matter, really. I can hear it all in my mind. What a MAGNIFICENT body of work!

Mostly I've stayed away from posting in this thread, although I do read here. I think most folks on MJJC don't quite understand it?

I had a strange thing happen this afternoon (strange things happen to me often. . they just DO?) I read Justus' long post, and was very moved by it, but also somehow unsettled. (Maybe I'll explain. . maybe not. . . .) I then went to the grocery store. I have plenty of food, but my TEN animals needed food. That would be my five cats (all rescues, some of them "differently abled"), and the five raccoons I seem to be supporting! (long story). Anyway, it's a strange day, in general. A cold-front is moving through. I live in the mountains, and we have wild weather, often. Parts of the sky were blue, and parts had dark clouds. I was driving, and thinking about that post. I believe in a "higher power." Some people do not, and that's ok. But I DO. So at first I thought I'd ask for a sign. . . from the "higher power." But when I asked, instead, I asked Michael! What happened next was a small, random thing. Nothing, really. A LARGE raindrop fell on the windshield of my car. Huge, maybe two inches across. Then a space of about ten seconds, and a second huge raindrop fell. That was all. . . . .

(Justus, I've sent you a PM.)

Carry on,

Vic

Vic, I think I know what you're trying to say. The same thing happened to me only a few days after Michael died. I was walking down the street, really sad...with tears in my eyes...thinking about Michael. And all of the sudden it started raining. Out of a clear sky. Coincidence, maybe...Anyways, I think I know what you meant. :yes:

[Autumn II]

And finally, the last song in "Justus'" request? "I'll Be There." Not the "child-song," but THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU&feature=PlayList&p=2037C8C14400DF71&index=77

Try to see beyond this as representative of a particular religion, ok? Because not all of us on this board share the same religion? As a multinational board? See it as universal?

OMG, he was so very lonely. . . And so very, very beautiful. . . . truly.

peace,

Victoria

[summer]

Beware folks, I have the feeling a rather long post is coming up. I guess it is true – the more things change, the more they stay the same. It is strange though to come back to this particular thread after June 25th. I meant to intervene a little earlier, but I got caught up in some other issues. I hope I'll remember all the things I wanted to write. As always with these kind of posts, they relate to all kinds of stuff, not necessarily to the exact previous line of thought.

During the last month I have had the priviledge to attend two public events celebrating Michael's life and work. On both ocassions – on his birthday and the Sunday before last -I felt an overwhelming sense of joy, hope, serenity, but above all love. I actually resent the word 'fan' because it comes from fanaticism and I like to think that isn't the proper word to describe my feelings towards Michael, but it certainly felt good to be among people of the same spirit sharing the admiration and the love for the man. What I loved most about both events was the diversity of the crowd, especially in terms of age – from toddlers to old folks. The most emotional moments which actually made me cry both times were related to 'Heal the world' when people were holding hands and dancing together in circle and singing the lyrics to the song. I felt those moments symbolized what Michael's life, struggle and example have always been about – caring about others, loving them and protecting this world we are leaving behind as legacy to our children and our grandchildren, and truth be told, we are leaving it in a rather wretched state.

Justus recalled earlier Michael's complexity and simplicity. Indeed, he was such a simple, yet complex man. He led a life most of us cannot begin to imagine – working 95% of it, being insanely famous for almost 80% of it, achieving so much and hurting so much. No other man in history has been this famous, this long, achieved as much or suffered as much in terms of their identity, innocence and work being questioned to the nth degree. It is no wonder the man kept manequins as friends, it is no wonder he could not relate to the ordinary joys of life like standing in line at the coffee shop, buying a lotto ticket or walking the dog in the park. In spite of living such an isolated life, he could express our inner most feelings and relate to that core which makes us all human no matter our race, age, gender, nationality or religion. He tapped into that fountain which makes human nature so beautiful – those honest, deep desires we all have no matter the longitude, the latitude or age of history we live in – what we basically all look for is unconditional love and a safe and serene environment in which to raise children and share life with those we love most, whilst also helping, when we can, those less fortunate than us. It is all so simple, isn't it? This actually reminds me of a great quote, whose author I unfortunately do not remember and it goes something like this – people use complicated words to say complicated things when they should be using simple words to say complicated things. And in that spirit and recalling Heal the world which I mentioned earlier – are there any more sublime words than “stop existing and start living?” Those five simple words have an entire philosophy of life behind them and demonstrate so exquisitely how simple and yet complex Michael was.


There are two other, maybe three issues on my mind right now as they pertain to this discussion. The first came about a few pages back and it deals with June 25th and the burdensome questions addressed to God. Although my faith in the Lord is steadfast, I must confess that I could not help but wonder why and especially why now? In my version of things he was supposed to be the post-modern day Job – after being tested in so many ways, the second part of his life would be even greater in rewards than the first. I foolishly believed that after the trial, he could do anything; if he had passed through that ordeal, nothing was impossible. He was supposed to get married a third and final time, for the first time before the Lord, have some kids trying to beat his dad's record, if not coming close to it....In my imagination he would put out a final pop album, an unplugged session and even an album featuring the most amazing national/regional artists (such as Xavier Naidoo in Germany or Adriano Celentano in Italy – both of whom are greatly talented, spiritually and socially aware men, as Michael) and then I 'saw' him witness his complete vindication before the entire world, him being an elder statesman not only of entertainment, but world affairs going around the world and lecturing about the state of the world. I saw all this for many decades to come and I would have given all of it if only he could have lived peacefully away from the prying eyes of the world together with his three little angels. I've probably went through every stage of grieving since late June, from denial to acceptance, except for maybe anger. I am saddened by the capacity of man to hurt fellow man, but I cannot feel angry. The only option I have is to trust God – He knows everything and I don't. We now see partially and probably can't see the forrest because of the trees, but one day all will be revealed.


A few days ago I discovered a very special performance of Ben http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36DO_nrJeA I don't know about yall, but my heart was shred to pieces when looking at that little boy's face, I saw such incomprehensible melancholy, sorrow and deep sadness that I just wished I could pull him out of the screen and give him a hug. I cannot begin or even dare to imagine what was taking place before or after that performance. And this is what hurts the most – that wonderful man which had suffered soooo much from such a tender age was so dreadfully alone. We all want and deserve true love in our lives, but boy did this kid deserve it more than any? I can only hope that Michael indeed found complete (intelectual, spiritual and physical) love in someone before his departure, otherwise it wouldn't have been fair. Someone he could sing to something like Adriano Celentano's “L'emozione non ha voce” (emotion doesn't have a voice)....

You can listen to this wonderful song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkXI2P1qIk

And the translation courtesy of Google, with a tiny bit of help goes something like this:

I can not speak of love,
emotion has no voice
And I lack a little breathing
if you're near, there's too much light

My soul spreads
as music summer
then you know the urge takes me
and comes on with your kisses

I with you will be very honest
I'll remain what I am
Dishonest never, I swear
but if you betray, I won't forgive

I will be forever your friend,
even jealous as you know
I know I contradict myself
but precious are you to me

Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
until I know that you will want it

Two different characters
are easily ignited
but divided we lost
we feel almost nothing
We are tied together by
a love that gives us
the deep conviction
that no one will divide us


Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
till you want

then we'll live as you know
only with sincerity
love and trust,
then it will be what it will be

Chorus:
Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us
Fully us uhu uhu

I loove the line 'se ci sei, c'e tropa luce' (if u're near there's too much light), I think it sooo poetic, so beautiful and so raw.

I really hope Michael knew how beautiful he was and how loved he was. Whenever I see that sea of people underneath his hotel window in Will you be there, I can't help but feel both proud and sad. Proud that he could summon such love and attention from people, but sadness that he was all alone. Lord only knows if Michael found earthly love, but I hope at least now we will listen to his message. After all, LOVE IS HIS MESSAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjqcceU5Q He already said so long ago :happy:

P.S. Sorry again about the length of the post and congrats to the brave souls who ventured into it. Hugs and love to everyone and to those of you still struggling to listen to Michael's music...take all the time you need, in the end you will see you can make it through the songs with a smile on your face. :yes:


My feelings exactly. Loved your post! Beautiful! Thanks! :hug:

[Justus]

And finally, the last song in "Justus'" request? "I'll Be There." Not the "child-song," but THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU&feature=PlayList&p=2037C8C14400DF71&index=77

Try to see beyond this as representative of a particular religion, ok? Because not all of us on this board share the same religion? As a multinational board? See it as universal?

OMG, he was so very lonely. . . And so very, very beautiful. . . . truly.

peace,

Victoria

omg I went to that exact same version not quite 45 min. ago!!

same with the other two. meaning, same versions, same sources, everything.

[Autumn II]

omg I went to that exact same version not quite 45 min. ago!!

Of course you did. (Respond to my PM, please?)

[Autumn II]

One more, and then I'm outta here, for tonight (probably?)

Have you seen this one? You WILL cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9H7GU0F8Q

Vic

[mysterygirl7]

talking about signs..
I was on the bus 4 days ago, and I was thinking 'Michael can't leave, it simply cant be true, it cant!'
Then the bus stopped, and two boys came in, one of them was wearing a mj t-shirt that had a black and white picture and in the corner it said 'gone but not forever'..

[Autumn II]

talking about signs..
I was on the bus 4 days ago, and I was thinking 'Michael can't leave, it simply cant be true, it cant!'
Then the bus stopped, and two boys came in, one of them was wearing a mj t-shirt that had a black and white picture and in the corner it said 'gone but not forever'..

I believe you.

In the song I just posted (Ecstasy) she sings, "I love you more than music." Is there any greater love than that?

[mysterygirl7]

I believe you.

In the song I just posted (Ecstasy) she sings, "I love you more than music." Is there any greater love than that?

Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

[Justus]

Of course you did. (Respond to my PM, please?)

Yes, of course I did. And so did you. There is no coincidence here.

[Justus]

Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

I personally think that was beautiful. :) but that's Just Me.

[mysterygirl7]

I personally think that was beautiful. :) but that's Just Me.

thank you :) it has given me hope ever since.. hope that there's more to come

[Autumn II]

Justus, please respond to my PM asap.

Everyone else, carry on?

Vic

[Autumn II]

Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

I think you had your sign. . .

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


Wow. It's heartwarming to know that us fans, (MJ's collective "bride") were able to help him feel loved even when his love ... or loves (plural now I'm learning I guess) in the dark failed him for whatever reason. This way he was able to always feel loved 24/7/365.

[Ashtanga]

This way he was able to always feel loved 24/7/365.
:scratch:

I was curious. lol! These numbers mean something? Numerology? I would like to know about it. :D

Or.... Is that what I'm thinking:

24/7/365

2 +4 = 6 / 7 / 3 +6 +5 = 14 >>> 1 + 4 = 5 >>>> 6 +7 +5 = 18 >>>>> 1+8 = 9


:smilerolleyes: :wild:

[tha]

:scratch:

I was curious. lol! These numbers mean something? Numerology? I would like to know about it. :D

I want to know too!! What this numbers mean?

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:scratch:

I was curious. lol! These numbers mean something? Numerology? I would like to know about it. :D

24/7/365 means 24 hours a day, 7days a week, 365 days a year.

[Ashtanga]

24/7/365 means 24 hours a day, 7days a week, 365 days a year.

Thank you for responding and kill my curiosity! :)

[tha]

24/7/365 means 24 hours a day, 7days a week, 365 days a year.


Is that the meaning?! I found the observation of "ashtanga" more interesting! LOL

[Ashtanga]

Is that the meaning?! I found the observation of "ashtanga" more interesting! LOL
It is interesting that the sum gives the result 9, one of the lucky numbers of Michael, and the number 7. I do not know if that means anything.

I walk in thinking a lot lately numerology. lol! :wild:

[tha]

It is interesting that the sum gives the result 9, one of the lucky numbers of Michael, and the number 7. I do not know if that means anything.

I walk in thinking a lot lately numerology. lol! :wild:

I don't know what the number 7 mean for Michael, but I know it means something.

Look at these pictures? Can you see the number 7?

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7459/307g.jpg
Left Leg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4116/imagemparaficcomomicera.jpg
Left Arm

Coincidences? I don't think so! THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES! =D

[Ashtanga]

Tha, I never watched the number 7 in those pictures. lol!

I remember the video for Scream is the number 7 stamped on the clothing Michael.

7 and 9 are the two most important numbers in numerology. Here we comment on the discussion about it quickly.

[tha]

Tha, I never watched the number 7 in those pictures. lol!

I remember the video for Scream is the number 7 stamped on the clothing Michael.

7 and 9 are the two most important numbers in numerology. Here we comment on the discussion about it quickly.


In the first photo, the number 7 appears in his left leg and in the second photo, the number 7 appears in his left arm. o_O

[8701girl]

Anyways, all those songs just make me cry so much now. And Man In The Mirror. I can't stop picturing Michael's casket at the Memorial when ever I hear Man In The Mirror now. :boohoo: And all the years of having been a fan run through my mind like a film when I hear that song. :cry: I wish I could go back to 1987 when I first became a fan...and re-live all the years of having been a fan again.






I wish i could go bck to 1990,i remember that time the most of me becoming a fan....happy times..:cry:

[Sdeidjs]

Archangels Chart

MICHAEL: He who is like God

Michael (Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): מִיכָאֵל‎, Micha'el or Mîkhā'ēl; Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): Μιχαήλ, Mikhaḗl; Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): Michael or Míchaël; Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): میکائیل‎, Mikā'īl) is an archangel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel) in Jewish, Christian and Islamic tradition. He is viewed as the field commander of the Army of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God).

He is mentioned by name in the [ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29#cite_note-bibleverse.7C.7CDaniel.7C10:13.7CKJV-0) who in Daniel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel)'s vision comes to the angel Gabriel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_%28archangel%29)'s aid in his contest with the angel of Persia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persia) (Dobiel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobiel)), and is also described there as the advocate of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Israel) and "great prince who stands up for the children of your [Daniel's] people".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29#cite_note-1)

The Talmudic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud) tradition rendered Michael's name as meaning "who is like El (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism)?", - so Michael could consequently mean [B]"One who is like God." But its being a question is alternatively understood as a rhetorical question, implying that no one is like God.

Much of the late Midrashic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash) detail about Michael was transmitted to Christianity through the Book of Enoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch), whence it was taken up and further elaborated. In late medieval Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Christianity), Michael, together with Saint George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George), became the patron saint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint) of chivalry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry), and of the first chivalric order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalric_order) of France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), the Order of Saint Michael (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saint_Michael) of 1469. In the British honours system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_honours_system), a chivalric order founded in 1818 is also named for these two saints, the Order of St Michael and St George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George). St Michael is also considered in many Christian circles as the patron saint of the warrior. Police officers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_officer) and soldiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier), particularly paratroopers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratrooper) and fighter pilots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighter_pilot), regard him as their patron. He is also a patron of Germany[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29#cite_note-cfs-2) and of the City of Brussels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Brussels).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29#cite_note-3)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholics)Roman Catholics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholics) refer to him as Saint Michael the Archangel and also simply as Saint Michael. Orthodox Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church) refer to him as the Taxiarch Archangel Michael or simply Archangel Michael. The New Thought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Thought) Movement refers to Michael as Christ Michael.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28archangel%29#cite_note-4)

GABRIEL: God is my strength

RAPHAEL: Healer of God

URIEL: God is my light

[8701girl]

^ thanx for posting that

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^Daniel 12:1 (New King James Version)

Daniel 12

Prophecy of the End Time

1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

[Justus]

Amen Sdeidjs

[Justus]

I think you had your sign. . .

I think she did, too

[Lainy]

^Daniel 12:1 (New King James Version)

Daniel 12

Prophecy of the End Time

1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

Brilliant!!!

just completing ...

still in Chapter 12 of the Book of Daniel:

"At the end of time appears Miguel the great Prince which supports the children of God's people. And then the dead shall be raised. Those who have done good, to eternal life, and those who did evil, the eternal horror."


Miguel "who is one with God" is the head of the heavenly host, is the angel of justice, repentance. Miguel defends us, with the great power that God gave him, and protect us from harm, the forces of evil and the enemies.

WOW!! I LOVE MICHAEL!!! My true love!!!!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow that is beautiful.

What other signs have you had, Victoria?
Something else happened to me just a few days after. I said to God.. (I normally don't know if I believe in god, but I guess I do, when I don't know who else to turn to..) so I said, dear god, if there's still a chance, if Michael is still here, give me a sign, and I said if a child gives me a daisy, then I believe. I think that was 3-4 days after.
Then on the 4th of July I went to a wedding, and it was beautiful, it was in a forest pavillion, then when I arrived I first went to the brides brother in law who was sitting with his little daughter 2 years old, a bit away from all the guests who had arrived, so I kneeled down besides them .. when I saw my friend in her wedding dress I just started crying (again), then in the next moment the girl turned around, really fast as if something made her do it, and then she gave me a daisy..
And it was not like I had sat with 100s of children, I think she was the first child I was in contact with since I had wished for it to happen..
What do you think..?

The Lord does work in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.

[8701girl]

^ he does sure work in wonderful mysterious ways :yes:

[tha]

Today, Sep. 29, is the Michael Archangel Day! =)

[tha]

The Lord does work in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.

:clapping: :yes:

[8701girl]

Today, Sep. 29, is the Michael Archangel Day! =)


Is it ? cool

He my fave archangel :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Today, Sep. 29, is the Michael Archangel Day! =)

Hey, that's right, tha! It is! What a non-coincidence! lol! I think it is also known as "Michaelmas." I remembered it because it is one whole month after our Michael's b-day (Aug.29)!

[8701girl]

Wow amazing mikes bday 29 of august and archangel sept 29....unbeliveable!

[Ashtanga]

Wow amazing mikes bday 29 of august and archangel sept 29....unbeliveable!
:wild: :dancin:

[8701girl]

hey maybe mike & michael archangel are celebrating in heaven :wild:


It would be nice if they are

[Lainy]

Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix
The Lord does work in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.

Clapping He's perfect in its fullness, and everything is for the good of those who believe


Originally Posted by tha
Today, Sep. 29, is the Michael Archangel Day! =)

It's true Tha! well observed girl! :D

Coincidence? Not, "there aren't coincidences"! Clapping :wild: :D

[tha]

Hey, that's right, tha! It is! What a non-coincidence! lol! I think it is also known as "Michaelmas." I remembered it because it is one whole month after our Michael's b-day (Aug.29)!

Exactly one month! There are no coincidences!

[8701girl]

Exactly one month! There are no coincidences!


:yes:

[SoS]

I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:


Thank you. I'm not quite ready to do that, but will have to gear up for it? But soon? (today) And I'll get a box of tissues. I find it difficult, still, to listen to ANY of Michael's music at all. Doesn't matter, really. I can hear it all in my mind. What a MAGNIFICENT body of work!

Mostly I've stayed away from posting in this thread, although I do read here. I think most folks on MJJC don't quite understand it?

I had a strange thing happen this afternoon (strange things happen to me often. . they just DO?) I read Justus' long post, and was very moved by it, but also somehow unsettled. (Maybe I'll explain. . maybe not. . . .) I then went to the grocery store. I have plenty of food, but my TEN animals needed food. That would be my five cats (all rescues, some of them "differently abled"), and the five raccoons I seem to be supporting! (long story). Anyway, it's a strange day, in general. :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:A cold-front is moving through. I live in the mountains, and we have wild weather, often. Parts of the sky were blue, and parts had dark clouds. I was driving, and thinking about that post. I believe in a "higher power." Some people do not, and that's ok. But I DO. So at first I thought I'd ask for a sign. . . from the "higher power." But when I asked, instead, I asked Michael! What happened next was a small, random thing. Nothing, really. A LARGE raindrop fell on the windshield of my car. Huge, maybe two inches across. Then a space of about ten seconds, and a second huge raindrop fell. That was all. . . . .

(Justus, I've sent you a PM.)

Carry on,

Vic :boohoo::giggle: :boohoo:


Beware folks, I have the feeling a rather long post is coming up. I guess it is true – the more things change, the more they stay the same. It is strange though to come back to this particular thread after June 25th. I meant to intervene a little earlier, but I got caught up in some other issues. I hope I'll remember all the things I wanted to write. As always with these kind of posts, they relate to all kinds of stuff, not necessarily to the exact previous line of thought.

During the last month I have had the priviledge to attend two public events celebrating Michael's life and work. On both ocassions – on his birthday and the Sunday before last -I felt an overwhelming sense of joy, hope, serenity, but above all love. I actually resent the word 'fan' because it comes from fanaticism and I like to think that isn't the proper word to describe my feelings towards Michael, but it certainly felt good to be among people of the same spirit sharing the admiration and the love for the man. What I loved most about both events was the diversity of the crowd, especially in terms of age – from toddlers to old folks. The most emotional moments which actually made me cry both times were related to 'Heal the world' when people were holding hands and dancing together in circle and singing the lyrics to the song. I felt those moments symbolized what Michael's life, struggle and example have always been about – caring about others, loving them and protecting this world we are leaving behind as legacy to our children and our grandchildren, and truth be told, we are leaving it in a rather wretched state.

Justus recalled earlier Michael's complexity and simplicity. Indeed, he was such a simple, yet complex man. He led a life most of us cannot begin to imagine – working 95% of it, being insanely famous for almost 80% of it, achieving so much and hurting so much. No other man in history has been this famous, this long, achieved as much or suffered as much in terms of their identity, innocence and work being questioned to the nth degree. It is no wonder the man kept manequins as friends, it is no wonder he could not relate to the ordinary joys of life like standing in line at the coffee shop, buying a lotto ticket or walking the dog in the park. In spite of living such an isolated life, he could express our inner most feelings and relate to that core which makes us all human no matter our race, age, gender, nationality or religion. He tapped into that fountain which makes human nature so beautiful – those honest, deep desires we all have no matter the longitude, the latitude or age of history we live in – what we basically all look for is unconditional love and a safe and serene environment in which to raise children and share life with those we love most, whilst also helping, when we can, those less fortunate than us. It is all so simple, isn't it? This actually reminds me of a great quote, whose author I unfortunately do not remember and it goes something like this – people use complicated words to say complicated things when they should be using simple words to say complicated things. And in that spirit and recalling Heal the world which I mentioned earlier – are there any more sublime words than “stop existing and start living?” Those five simple words have an entire philosophy of life behind them and demonstrate so exquisitely how simple and yet complex Michael was.


There are two other, maybe three issues on my mind right now as they pertain to this discussion. The first came about a few pages back and it deals with June 25th and the burdensome questions addressed to God. Although my faith in the Lord is steadfast, I must confess that I could not help but wonder why and especially why now? In my version of things he was supposed to be the post-modern day Job – after being tested in so many ways, the second part of his life would be even greater in rewards than the first. I foolishly believed that after the trial, he could do anything; if he had passed through that ordeal, nothing was impossible. He was supposed to get married a third and final time, for the first time before the Lord, have some kids trying to beat his dad's record, if not coming close to it....In my imagination he would put out a final pop album, an unplugged session and even an album featuring the most amazing national/regional artists (such as Xavier Naidoo in Germany or Adriano Celentano in Italy – both of whom are greatly talented, spiritually and socially aware men, as Michael) and then I 'saw' him witness his complete vindication before the entire world, him being an elder statesman not only of entertainment, but world affairs going around the world and lecturing about the state of the world. I saw all this for many decades to come and I would have given all of it if only he could have lived peacefully away from the prying eyes of the world together with his three little angels. I've probably went through every stage of grieving since late June, from denial to acceptance, except for maybe anger. I am saddened by the capacity of man to hurt fellow man, but I cannot feel angry. The only option I have is to trust God – He knows everything and I don't. We now see partially and probably can't see the forrest because of the trees, but one day all will be revealed.


A few days ago I discovered a very special performance of Ben http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U36DO_nrJeA I don't know about yall, but my heart was shred to pieces when looking at that little boy's face, I saw such incomprehensible melancholy, sorrow and deep sadness that I just wished I could pull him out of the screen and give him a hug. I cannot begin or even dare to imagine what was taking place before or after that performance. And this is what hurts the most – that wonderful man which had suffered soooo much from such a tender age was so dreadfully alone. We all want and deserve true love in our lives, but boy did this kid deserve it more than any? I can only hope that Michael indeed found complete (intelectual, spiritual and physical) love in someone before his departure, otherwise it wouldn't have been fair. Someone he could sing to something like Adriano Celentano's “L'emozione non ha voce” (emotion doesn't have a voice)....

You can listen to this wonderful song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrkXI2P1qIk

And the translation courtesy of Google, with a tiny bit of help goes something like this:

I can not speak of love,
emotion has no voice
And I lack a little breathing
if you're near, there's too much light

My soul spreads
as music summer
then you know the urge takes me
and comes on with your kisses

I with you will be very honest
I'll remain what I am
Dishonest never, I swear
but if you betray, I won't forgive

I will be forever your friend,
even jealous as you know
I know I contradict myself
but precious are you to me

Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
until I know that you will want it

Two different characters
are easily ignited
but divided we lost
we feel almost nothing
We are tied together by
a love that gives us
the deep conviction
that no one will divide us


Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us

Give me another life
I do not know
thou shalt be my companion
till you want

then we'll live as you know
only with sincerity
love and trust,
then it will be what it will be

Chorus:
Sleep in my arms
peacefully
it is important that you know
for us to feel fully us
Fully us uhu uhu

I loove the line 'se ci sei, c'e tropa luce' (if u're near there's too much light), I think it sooo poetic, so beautiful and so raw.

I really hope Michael knew how beautiful he was and how loved he was. Whenever I see that sea of people underneath his hotel window in Will you be there, I can't help but feel both proud and sad. Proud that he could summon such love and attention from people, but sadness that he was all alone. Lord only knows if Michael found earthly love, but I hope at least now we will listen to his message. After all, LOVE IS HIS MESSAGE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3bjqcceU5Q He already said so long ago :happy:

P.S. Sorry again about the length of the post and congrats to the brave souls who ventured into it. Hugs and love to everyone and to those of you still struggling to listen to Michael's music...take all the time you need, in the end you will see you can make it through the songs with a smile on your face. :yes: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

[SoS]

Okay that post just made me cry (literally). :boohoo: It was so beautiful. And it just made me realize ONCE AGAIN (like I seem to be doing several times a day still) how MUCH I miss Michael. It SO touches my heart when I see people write beautiful things about Michael and the kind of person he was and the kind of "power" he had. It just makes my heart so happy because that was the Michael WE saw...and always hoped the rest of the world would see or even just TRY to see as well.

Just like you, I'm having trouble finding the right words for a reply. It seems I can't really get myself into writing down much about Michael, what he meant to me, etc. I've been intending to write a post on my blog about Michael since the day he died...but I have not been able to get myself to do it to this day. When ever I even just think about it it feels I have so much to say that even just the thought seems to "exhaust" me emotionally. Like, there is so much I want to say it would take me DAYs to write it down and no space on any blog would be enough for it. It would just be too long. Also, like I said, it is so hard to find the right words. And I guess part of what is stopping me is my own self going"Come on...you didn't even KNOW him...stop being so sad. It's not like you were FRIENDS with him. Snap out of it already!". But no matter how I try I just can't stop missing Michael and being sad. Mostly because it breaks my heart to know what a BEAUTIFUL PERSON he was...and to know he is gone. It doesn't seem to matter that I didn't know him personally...it's knowing how UNIQUE he was that makes me sad. There was and never will be another person like Michael. He was so INCREDIABLY talented....that alone is SUCH a loss. But at least we have the albums and short films left to give some comfort. But then his personality was just so beautiful and unique also and THAT makes me cry bitter tears....because it is SO UNFAIR that he is gone. There was nothing weird about him...there was nothing "wacky" about him....and I so wish people could have understood him. Or even just TRIED. It makes me cry to know what a beautiful person he was and then know what kind of pain he had to endure...simply because people were ignorant. In a way it seems it was all the hateful people in this world who killed Michael. Maybe if they all had been a little nicer, Michael would still be with us? I hope all of those who made fun of Michael and were mean to him while he lived, looked into their hearts (if they have one) when Michael died and realized what they did.

Anyways, I don't really know what my point is...all I know is that I could go on and on about how beautiful Michael was. He was such a big part of my life, even when I didn't know him at all...but simply because I so admired him and looked up to him. To me he was the most beautiful soul on this earth...and I always wished there were more people like Michael on this planet. He gave me SO MANY happy moments...so many beautiful memories I can look back to and smile...through his music, performances, etc. And one thing he brought was friends. No matter how hard it may be to find friends in "real life"...no matter how "rejected" you may be....when you went to a place Michael went...all there was, was love. The fans welcomed you the way you were, no one ever had to be alone...we were all there, united, loving each other and loving Michael. The HAPPIEST moments in my life have all been at MJ events. Simply because I felt truly loved and accepted. I always went alone...but I was never alone. And that was something that really comforted me after Michael died as well. When I went to the O2 on July 13th for the vigil, I was scared I'll be alone. But no...I was welcomed by the REAL fans. Some who I had met just a few months before at MJ's hotel, some whom I only knew from MJJC. But we cried together, hugged each other...and it felt so good to be surrounded by people who knew EXACTLY what I was feeling. And it was comforting to know the people were all still there, even when Michael was gone. Kind of same thing with this thread....it is nice that it is still "alive". This thread was always fun to come to...something "magical" and "fun". A little "world of our own". Like a "refuge", almost. We've shared so many things in this thread, and it feels everyone is allowed to freely show what they feel and think, so it's nice. I haven't posted that much on this thread simply because I'm not so good with all the "theories", as I've said before. But I've always enjoyed reading this thread.

Anyways, I have no idea what my "point" is....But just wanted to reply and say thank you. Really loved your post. It was beautiful.

I just miss Michael so much....:boohoo: Not only his music, his voice, his performances...but even just the little cute random things he did...like him wearing clothes that don't match that always made me smile and think "Oh Michael...":smilerolleyes: because I thought it was cute because it was so "HIM" to do that. I just miss everything. :boohoo: And I wish he could come back. :boohoo: I keep praying to God that God could find a way to get him come back. I don't know HOW...but I leave that for God to figure out. I keep going through the ending of Moonwalker in my head... over and over again.. (the one where the kids are discussing the star..."his lucky star"...and Katie looks at the star and goes "It's not his lucky star? It's NOT! He's GONE!" and then she goes "I wish he'd come back"....and then a wind comes and Michael walks out from the fog and the kids run to hug him and MJ's like "I'm so happy to see you! You know I had to come back!"....and then they "go back to the club".) I know it's naive, but I keep going through that scene over and over again in my head and feel like if I believe in it hard enough, it will come true. I know it's just wishful thinking....but I keep praying to God it could come true anyway. I don't know how...but...I still keep praying. :cry:



I know that post was for Victoria...But I had to comment because I love those songs so much. And now they make me cry my eyes out. :boohoo: Not only because of the lyrics and beautiful melodies...but because there are so many memories attached to those songs as well. :cry: I couldn't get Will You Be There, I'll Be There and One Day In Your Life out of my head in London at the O2 on July 13th. I kept thinking "Michael...I said I'll be here in July...and I kept my word. I'm here." :cry: And when I was walking inside the O2 bubble...exactly where I had been just four months earlier. Exactly where I had seen Michael and had been SO HAPPY...I kept singing One Day In Your Life over and over again in my head.

One day in your life
you'll remember a place
Someone's touching your face
You'll come back and you'll look around you

One day in your life
You'll remember the love you found here
You'll remember me somehow
Though you don't need me now
I will stay in your heart
And when things fall apart
You'll remember one day... (That day being March 5th (and 6th) when I saw Michael for the very last time RIGHT THERE and was SO HAPPY...:boohoo:)

One day in your life
When you find that you're always waiting
For the love we used to share
Just call my name
And I'll be there (Again...Michael said in March "See you in July"...and I said I'll be there...and I was. Just like I said. :boohoo:)

Anyways, all those songs just make me cry so much now. And Man In The Mirror. I can't stop picturing Michael's casket at the Memorial when ever I hear Man In The Mirror now. :boohoo: And all the years of having been a fan run through my mind like a film when I hear that song. :cry: I wish I could go back to 1987 when I first became a fan...and re-live all the years of having been a fan again.




Vic, I think I know what you're trying to say. The same thing happened to me only a few days after Michael died. I was walking down the street, really sad...with tears in my eyes...thinking about Michael. And all of the sudden it started raining. Out of a clear sky. Coincidence, maybe...Anyways, I think I know what you meant. :yes: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :weeping:


And finally, the last song in "Justus'" request? "I'll Be There." Not the "child-song," but THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU&feature=PlayList&p=2037C8C14400DF71&index=77

Try to see beyond this as representative of a particular religion, ok? Because not all of us on this board share the same religion? As a multinational board? See it as universal?

OMG, he was so very lonely. . . And so very, very beautiful. . . . truly.

peace,

Victoria :boohoo: :boohoo::boohoo: :boohoo: :weeping: :weeping: :weeping:


One more, and then I'm outta here, for tonight (probably?)

Have you seen this one? You WILL cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9H7GU0F8Q

Vic
:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :weeping: :weeping: Vic who is this singing? :weeping: :boohoo:

:unsure: :cry:
gosh I feel so ... lost ... how did I miss this?

This is the most beautiful song oh God :weeping:

[8701girl]

Aww :hug: everyone

I hate seeing ya'll cry

[Autumn II]

SOS, I really don't know anything about this song
("Ecstasy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9H7GU0F8Q)

I just found it one day. It says "written by Michael Jackson." Was it? Don't know. I have no idea who the singer is, either. It's beautiful, though.

[Sdeidjs]

Archangels: Michael, Gabriel and Raphael

Angels—messengers from God—appear frequently in Scripture, but only Michael, Gabriel and Raphael are named.


Michael appears in Daniel's vision as "the great prince" who defends Israel against its enemies; in the Book (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) of Revelation, he leads God's armies to final victory over the forces of evil.

Devotion to Michael is the oldest angelic devotion, rising in the East in the fourth century. The Church in the West began to observe a feast honoring Michael and the angels in the fifth century.

Gabriel also makes an appearance in Daniel's visions, announcing Michael's role in God's plan (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#). His best-known appearance is an encounter with a young Jewish girl named Mary, who consents to bear the Messiah.

Raphael's activity is confined to the Old Testament story of Tobit. There he appears to guide Tobit's son Tobiah through a series of fantastic adventures which lead to a threefold happy ending: Tobiah's marriage to Sarah, the healing of Tobit's blindness and the restoration of the family (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) fortune.

The memorials of Gabriel (March 24) and Raphael (October 24) were added to the
Roman calendarhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/7741_magglass.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) in 1921. The 1970 revision of the calendar joined their feasts to Michael's.

Source: Beliefnet.com


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[Ashtanga]

Thanks for sharing Sdeidjs!!!!!!!


References in the Bible

The name Michael is scarcely mentioned in the Bible, appearing only in the following verses, as translated The Jerusalem Bible:

Daniel 10:13
"The Prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me for twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to my aid"

Daniel 10:21
"No one provides assistance to these things but Michael your prince."

Daniel 12:1
"At that time up will be Michael the great prince which stands among the children of thy people. It will be a time of such anguish that never have been up to that time, as long as nations exist. But at that time thy people escape, that is, all that, is registered in the Book. "

Jude 9
"Yet Michael the archangel, when disputing with the devil, arguing about the body of Moses, dared not utter a sentence against him insulting, but merely say, The Lord rebuke you!"

Apocalypse or Revelation 12:7
"There was a war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon. Dragons struggled along with his angels, but was defeated, and we did not find another place for them in heaven."


In the apocryphal
In the book of Enoch Michael is designated as the prince of Israel. In the book of Jubilees, he is portrayed as the angel who instructed Moses in the Torah. In the Dead Sea Scrolls is pictured fighting Belial


The original Greek manuscript of 1 Thessalonians 4.16 says "the voice of the archangel" making a distinction of Jesus and the role of the archangel.

English:

"Because the Lord himself, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, shall descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall arise first;"



Let's remember some things about the angels.

a) They constantly see God's face. Mt 18:10
b) Do not know when they were created. In the days of creation.
Maybe in the beginning. Job 38.4,7. Here, the children of God are angels.

c) Number. Dn 7:10, 2 Kgs 6:17, Mt 26.53, Heb 12:22; Gen. 32.1,2, Mark 5.8.
d) Names: Michael, Gabriel, Dan 9:21, Luke 1.19,26 ..
e) the spirits: Heb 1:14, Eph 6:12.
f) Strengths: Powerful: Ps 103.20, 2 Thessalonians 1.7; 2 Peter 2:11, John 5:4.

Wise 2 Sam 14:20. But they can not read the thoughts 1 Kings 8:39;

Dn 2.10. Majesty, Lk 9:26, Mt 28:3; Fast Mt 25.31.

g) Praise God, Ps 148.2; Is 63.
h) Protect, Ps 34.8; 91.11,12;

:)

[mysterygirl7]

The Lord does work in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.

Well, I hope that it wasn't just a co-incidence.. :-) But I think I have reason to believe that it wasn't.. something to add to the story, was that the first time I saw my friend who had gotten maried after, I said to her as we we talking a walk, that I had really enjoyed talking to the girl who sat next to me that evening. We had really talked a lot, and she had said some things that had made me feel good, or just things that were really interesting. Anyway, my friend said that this girl, had said to the 2 year olds mother, that he thought that this little girl was a psychic!
I then decided to tell my friend the story about the daisy.. and then my friend were like.. well.. I AM the one who taught her to pick daisies... it was like she didn't like the thing that other girl had said about the girl being psychic, so then my story couldn't be worth anything either.. hmm don't know..

[Autumn II]

Well, I hope that it wasn't just a co-incidence.. :-) But I think I have reason to believe that it wasn't.. something to add to the story, was that the first time I saw my friend who had gotten maried after, I said to her as we we talking a walk, that I had really enjoyed talking to the girl who sat next to me that evening. We had really talked a lot, and she had said some things that had made me feel good, or just things that were really interesting. Anyway, my friend said that this girl, had said to the 2 year olds mother, that he thought that this little girl was a psychic!
I then decided to tell my friend the story about the daisy.. and then my friend were like.. well.. I AM the one who taught her to pick daisies... it was like she didn't like the thing that other girl had said about the girl being psychic, so then my story couldn't be worth anything either.. hmm don't know..

It's possible that the girl was psychic, but that doesn't make it any less miraculous?

In terms of the recent trend of this thread, I'm not a biblical scholar, exactly, but the appearances of the name "Michael" are interesting?

There's been something I've been wondering about. . and sorry if this is digressive? There are many songs on the internet that say, "written by Michael Jackson." I've never been sure. . were they? And if so, how did they get "out there?" The song "Ecstasy," that I posted above, is one of them. Another is "Breaking Free." Are you familiar with this one, anyone? I've always found it to be dark, and mysterious. Anyone want to tackle an interpretation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4

It's an instrumental. In the video, there is a couple at first. . they look "biblical." And then a couple on an earthly plane. The man in either couple is NOT Michael, but Michael's image appears in the video, as he performs. Overlaid on all of this is an unrolling highway at night, as seen by the driver. I've always found the music and imagery to be eerie, and bleak. But, I don't know if Michael really wrote the music, or had anything to do with the video? Or maybe someone was "channeling" and it doesn't matter? Somehow I get the impression that this is similar to "Who Is It?" The woman is with someone who is NOT Michael.

So, anyone seen this? What do you think?

[Lily]

This is just my personal opinion but I think the word "coincidence" is being overused here for the simple fact that a "coincidence" is accidental, it's a chance happening although it may seem like it's planned. If what is being interpretated are intentional actions being shown to us the fans by Michael, imo it's more "deliberate", there's a reason, it's done with a purpose, thought out and planned, or maybe that's just my imagination. :unsure: LOL

Oh well, there all kinds of signs shown to us throughout life, and all have a meaning and reason. :cheeky:



SOS, I really don't know anything about this song
("Ecstasy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9H7GU0F8Q)

I just found it one day. It says "written by Michael Jackson." Was it? Don't know. I have no idea who the singer is, either. It's beautiful, though.

Sounds like Beyonce singing. Such a beautiful song and seeing Michael in the video is very overwhelming to me :cry:

[mysterygirl7]

^^I love the hot footage of Michael in both videos.. all I know is, that Ecstasy and Breaking free are poems from Dancing the Dream...
(love that book..:wub:)

"Breaking free" is actually very relevant to the Love in the Dark story as it looks now..
Just read it one more time.. and wow thanks for making me aware of it!

Breaking free

All this hysteria, all this commotion
Time, space, energy are just a notion
What we have conceptualized we have created
All those loved, all those hated

Where is the beginning, where's the end
Time's arrow, so difficult to bend
Those broken promises, what they meant
Those love letters, never sent

Maybe he is talking about the whole mystery of the universe and everything.. the pink part has been constantly one my mind since this thing happened with Michael.. oh I wish I could bend time's arrow for you Michael.. and then I would go back to March 6 and warn you!

The poem also reminds me of the sentence that was on the big screen at the memorial, when it ended.. "I'm alive and I'm here forever".. that sentence must be taken from the song The Man, which also talks about being free..
The first verse goes like this

There's a man
Who plays the game of life so well
Ooh, there's such a man
His thoughts you can never tell, ooh
And it's just the way he
Thought it would be
'cause the day has come
For him to be free
I'm alive and I'm here forever

Sorry I don't know if any of these things make sense...

[mysterygirl7]

It's possible that the girl was psychic, but that doesn't make it any less miraculous?



No I guess not..

[Sdeidjs]

It's possible that the girl was psychic, but that doesn't make it any less miraculous?

In terms of the recent trend of this thread, I'm not a biblical scholar, exactly, but the appearances of the name "Michael" are interesting?

There's been something I've been wondering about. . and sorry if this is digressive? There are many songs on the internet that say, "written by Michael Jackson." I've never been sure. . were they? And if so, how did they get "out there?" The song "Ecstasy," that I posted above, is one of them. Another is "Breaking Free." Are you familiar with this one, anyone? I've always found it to be dark, and mysterious. Anyone want to tackle an interpretation?



(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4)
It's an instrumental. In the video, there is a couple at first. .
they look "biblical."
And then a couple on an earthly plane. The man in either couple is NOT Michael, but Michael's image appears in the video, as he performs. Overlaid on all of this is an unrolling highway at night, as seen by the driver. I've always found the music and imagery to be eerie, and bleak. But, I don't know if Michael really wrote the music, or had anything to do with the video? Or maybe someone was "channeling" and it doesn't matter? Somehow I get the impression that this is similar to "Who Is It?" The woman is with someone who is NOT Michael.

So, anyone seen this? What do you think?


Absoutely Stunning..!

The "biblical" couple "lovers/soul mates" are from the film Lord Of The Rings...hence time of past.

Earthly couple...the present


:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Autumn II]

The poem and the lyrics of the song are different, though. Here's the poem.


Ecstasy

I was born to never die
To live in bliss, to never cry
To speak the truth and never lie
To share my love without a sigh
To stretch my arms without a tie
This is my dance, this is my high
It’s not a secret, can’t you see
Why can’t we all live in ecstasy

Ecstasy Ecstasy
Why can’t we all
Live in Ecstasy.

Without a guilt, without regret
I am here to forget
Tainted memories of imagined sin
In every friend, kith and kin

We have come to celebrate here
The getting rid of every fear
Of every notion, every seed
Of any separation, caste, or creed.

This alienation, fragmentation, abomination
Of separation, exploitation, isolation
This cruelty, hysteria, absolute madness
This anger, anxiety, overflowing sadness
Disrupted ecology, wanton destruction
Diseased biology, nature’s obstruction
Endangered species, environmental pollution
Holes in the ozone, defying solution
Is not knowing the spark that lights my interior
Is the same fire, glowing in every man, child, and mother superior

We have come to celebrate here
The getting rid of every fear
Of every notion, every seed
Of any separation, caste, or creed.

Feeling free, let us fly
Into the boundless, beyond the sky
For we were born to never die
To live in bliss, to never cry
To speak the truth and never lie
To share our love without a sign
To stretch our arms without a tie

This is our dance, this is our high
It’s not a secret, can’t you see
Why can’t we all live in ecstasy

Ecstasy Ecstasy
Why can’t we all
Live in Ecstasy.

[wendy2004]

Hmmm.... interesting that today is St. Michael's Day. Very cool. :) Man, I woulda had my very first MJ concert on this day had all gone well. :( blah.

Anyway, since you all were on the meanings of names, I just wanted to add this little tidbit in case it wasn't mentioned already. It seems during the last couple of months or weeks of Michael's life he also found interest in the meanings of names. He shared the meaning of the name "Michael" - "he who is like God" with Michael Bearden the musical director for TII becuz they have the same name. He explained to Bearden that they had to try to live up to their names while remaining humble. I thought it was very interesting that he would say this as if he'd only learned about the meaning of his name for the first time. Maybe he knew long before or maybe he hadn't. Perhaps he decided to do a deeper study of the name and it's history. Not sure. I guess the point is that he had a strong awareness of it on that day to the point where he felt compelled to share it with another Michael.

Michael Bearden mentioned this in the Ebony tribute magazine. I'm at work now and don't have the mag with me to type word for word, but maybe someone else will find the direct quote on the net or a source link before I get home. Just thought I'd share that tidbit.

Name meanings and the history behind them can be very interesting. :)

[Ape]

How could that have been a coincidence? I have never had a child hand me a daisy in my life and I have children. They've handed me plenty of dandelions. You asked, and you received. Sometimes I think that is the biggest mistake we make is to discount signs or significance of seemingly little things. Things like Michael wearing clothes in relation to this thread communicating in really the only way that he could I suppose, in a way we would know if we paid attention and allowed ourselves to read into it. I think we just don't always want to presume things for fear of appearing a fool or fear of offending?

I want to write so much more about all of this about posts here.. I'll come back. Just busy at the moment. I'll return when I have more time.

[mysterygirl7]

How could that have been a coincidence? I have never had a child hand me a daisy in my life and I have children. They've handed me plenty of dandelions. You asked, and you received. Sometimes I think that is the biggest mistake we make is to discount signs or significance of seemingly little things. Things like Michael wearing clothes in relation to this thread communicating in really the only way that he could I suppose, in a way we would know if we paid attention and allowed ourselves to read into it. I think we just don't always want to presume things for fear of appearing a fool or fear of offending?

I want to write so much more about all of this about posts here.. I'll come back. Just busy at the moment. I'll return when I have more time.

You are right. You convinced me. I don't want to doubt anymore, that it was a real sign.

[Lily]

Well, I hope that it wasn't just a co-incidence.. :-) But I think I have reason to believe that it wasn't..

Anyway, my friend said that this girl, had said to the 2 year olds mother, that he thought that this little girl was a psychic!
I then decided to tell my friend the story about the daisy.. and then my friend were like.. well.. I AM the one who taught her to pick daisies... it was like she didn't like the thing that other girl had said about the girl being psychic, so then my story couldn't be worth anything either.. hmm don't know..

It sounds like a sign from something greater to me. :)

Everyone is born with some kind of natural psychic ability, some people throughout life have learned how to develop theirs while others choose to disregard it exists and maybe just think of it as strong intuition. I think a child is not able to recognize the ability they have or what it may mean when a spirit/sign is channeled through them that an adult may take notice of. Also, children are pure, honest and innocent, their minds are more receptive and open to things, such as spirits. Have you ever had a child talk to you about their imaginary friend? It just might not be imaginary at all. Pretty interesting. :)

[mysterygirl7]

It sounds like a sign from something greater to me. :)

Everyone is born with some kind of natural psychic ability, some people throughout life have learned how to develop theirs while others choose to disregard it exists and maybe just think of it as strong intuition. I think a child is not able to recognize the ability they have or what it may mean when a spirit/sign is channeled through them that an adult may take notice of. Also, children are pure, honest and innocent, their minds are more receptive and open to things, such as spirits. Have you ever had a child talk to you about their imaginary friend? It just might not be imaginary at all. Pretty interesting. :)
Cool I believe that "something" a spirit of something.. (Michael...hihi) made her do it.. because it was just at the "right" moment.. I was so sad.. and then it happened..

Yeah I ones had a boy talking to me about a monster that lived under his bed.. and I totally believed him..

[Ape]

It's possible that the girl was psychic, but that doesn't make it any less miraculous?

In terms of the recent trend of this thread, I'm not a biblical scholar, exactly, but the appearances of the name "Michael" are interesting?

There's been something I've been wondering about. . and sorry if this is digressive? There are many songs on the internet that say, "written by Michael Jackson." I've never been sure. . were they? And if so, how did they get "out there?" The song "Ecstasy," that I posted above, is one of them. Another is "Breaking Free." Are you familiar with this one, anyone? I've always found it to be dark, and mysterious. Anyone want to tackle an interpretation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4

It's an instrumental. In the video, there is a couple at first. . they look "biblical." And then a couple on an earthly plane. The man in either couple is NOT Michael, but Michael's image appears in the video, as he performs. Overlaid on all of this is an unrolling highway at night, as seen by the driver. I've always found the music and imagery to be eerie, and bleak. But, I don't know if Michael really wrote the music, or had anything to do with the video? Or maybe someone was "channeling" and it doesn't matter? Somehow I get the impression that this is similar to "Who Is It?" The woman is with someone who is NOT Michael.

So, anyone seen this? What do you think?
It's the poetry along the side that the person is talking about that Michael wrote. Not the music itself. Someone just made a video and picked music to go along with those poems found in Dancing the Dream. (Sorry this is a short post, no time to talk at the moment)
The song in that one video is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-NwAA3Wvo
I can't figure out how to embed it.
Kissing you, by Des'ree originally (I think). Beautiful and fits nicely in here. Especially the Romeo and Juliet theme if he is indeed gone.

this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU5GGiFK5Bc

[Sdeidjs]

The poem and the lyrics of the song are different, though. Here's the poem.


Ecstasy

I was born to never die
To live in bliss, to never cry
To speak the truth and never lie
To share my love without a sigh
To stretch my arms without a tie
This is my dance, this is my high
It’s not a secret, can’t you see
Why can’t we all live in ecstasy

Ecstasy Ecstasy
Why can’t we all
Live in Ecstasy.

Without a guilt, without regret
I am here to forget
Tainted memories of imagined sin
In every friend, kith and kin

We have come to celebrate here
The getting rid of every fear
Of every notion, every seed
Of any separation, caste, or creed.

This alienation, fragmentation, abomination
Of separation, exploitation, isolation
This cruelty, hysteria, absolute madness
This anger, anxiety, overflowing sadness
Disrupted ecology, wanton destruction
Diseased biology, nature’s obstruction
Endangered species, environmental pollution
Holes in the ozone, defying solution
Is not knowing the spark that lights my interior
Is the same fire, glowing in every man, child, and mother superior

We have come to celebrate here
The getting rid of every fear
Of every notion, every seed
Of any separation, caste, or creed.

Feeling free, let us fly
Into the boundless, beyond the sky
For we were born to never die
To live in bliss, to never cry
To speak the truth and never lie
To share our love without a sign
To stretch our arms without a tie

This is our dance, this is our high
It’s not a secret, can’t you see
Why can’t we all live in ecstasy

Ecstasy Ecstasy
Why can’t we all
Live in Ecstasy.

Soulmate is a term sometimes used to designate someone with whom one has a feeling of deep and natural affinity, love (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Love), intimacy (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Intimacy), sexuality (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Human_sexuality), spirituality (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Spirituality), and/or compatibility (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Compatibility). A related concept is that of the twin flame or twin soul – which is thought to be the ultimate soulmate, the one and only other half of one's soul (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Soul), for which all souls are driven to find and join.

Some people believe that souls (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Soul) are literally made and/or fated (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Predestination) to be the mates of each other, or to play certain other important roles in each other's lives.

According to theories popularized by Theosophy (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Theosophy) and in a modified form by Edgar Cayce (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Edgar_Cayce), God created androgynous (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Androgynous) souls, equally male and female. Later theories postulate that the souls split into separate genders, perhaps because they incurred karma (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Karma) while playing around on the Earth (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Earth), or "separation from God". Over countless reincarnations, each half seeks the other. When all karmic debt is purged, the two will fuse back together and return to the ultimate.

A nearest and dearest best friend of mine told me that I am the kind of person that "looks outside the box"...that is what makes us so unique, different.

Keeping that in mind...there is a much deeper consciousness that many, not all recognize on this earthly plane.

Therefore;
All the answer to the questions we as a society seek about Mr.Jackson has always been there...


:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[mysterygirl7]

Soulmate is a term sometimes used to designate someone with whom one has a feeling of deep and natural affinity, love (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Love), intimacy (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Intimacy), sexuality (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Human_sexuality), spirituality (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Spirituality), and/or compatibility (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Compatibility). A related concept is that of the twin flame or twin soul – which is thought to be the ultimate soulmate, the one and only other half of one's soul (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Soul), for which all souls are driven to find and join.

Some people believe that souls (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Soul) are literally made and/or fated (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Predestination) to be the mates of each other, or to play certain other important roles in each other's lives.

According to theories popularized by Theosophy (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Theosophy) and in a modified form by Edgar Cayce (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Edgar_Cayce), God created androgynous (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Androgynous) souls, equally male and female. Later theories postulate that the souls split into separate genders, perhaps because they incurred karma (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Karma) while playing around on the Earth (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Earth), or "separation from God". Over countless reincarnations, each half seeks the other. When all karmic debt is purged, the two will fuse back together and return to the ultimate.



I totally believe that Michael has an "other half" or soulmate.. I think he sang to her always, songs like "We are here to change the world" "Earth Song" "Heal the World" "Will you be there" are for her/them.
They were suppose to change the world together.. maybe Michaels marriage to Lisa was not the best move in terms of getting together with his true love, but how could he know at that point..

[mysterygirl7]

And can I just add this...

What do you guys think about this? Is there still a chance for them, is their love universal..?


Michael Jackson Ascends



By Lynn Brewer
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/aug09/images/mj_ascends_large.jpg
Dear Reader,
As I noted in the welcome (see below), this inaugural post of "Love, Light, Beauty and Truth" is dedicated to the late Michael Jackson, and the spiritual impressions and insights which gently unfolded in my mind and heart about his essence in the days after he passed. I would like to share those impressions and insights with you now.
Michael Jackson, as many of his loyal fans have suspected, was not only human. In the depths of his soul, Michael Jackson also belonged to an intergalactic, interdimensional species of Christ-conscious beings who were known to the ancient Egyptians as the Hathors.
Human awareness of the Hathors, and their role in human evolution, has increased significantly in recent years due primarily to the work of men and women who have been tasked by the Brotherhood of Light with reviving the ancient mystery school teachings of Atlantis and Egypt, and who as a part of their spiritual work are in regular contact with the Hathor consciousness. I have provided links to their websites on the left-hand side of this page, and will be citing their writings about the Hathors in depth here.
Maureen St. Germain, a facilitator for the ancient mystery school teaching known as the mer-ka-ba, describes the Hathors as "the most intelligent, most advanced race in the solar system." According to St. Germain, the Hathors "only represent peace and love," "function only through sound," and "hold the flame of absolute love on the planet Venus." Tom Kenyon, a sound healer and channel for Hathor consciousness, writes on his website that though "the Hathors do offer information in the form of language, their primary mode of communication is through catalytic sound patterns."
Perhaps the most beautiful, detailed, contemporary description of the Hathors comes to us from Drunvalo Melchizedek, the founder of the modern-day teachings on the science of the mer-ka-ba. In his book, "Ancient Secrets of the Flower of Life: Volume II", Melchizedek writes the following:
The Hathors were the main or primary mentors within the Left Eye of Horus Mystery School. Though they were not from Earth, in the ancient days they were always here to assist us in unfolding our consciousness. They loved us dearly, and they still do. As our consciousness became more and more third-dimensional, we eventually could no longer see them or respond to their teachings. Only now, as we grow, are we beginning to communicate with them again.
[They are] a race of fourth-dimensional beings who come from Venus. You don't see them on the third-dimensional world of Venus, but if you tune to Venus on the fourth dimension, especially on the higher overtones, you'll find a vast culture there. They are the most intelligent consciousness in this solar system and they function as the headquarters or central office for all life under our Sun. If you come into our solar system from the outside, you must check with Venus before proceeding.
The Hathors are beings of tremendous love. Their love is on a level of Christ consciousness. They use vocal sounds as their means of communicating and performing feats within their environment. They have amazing ears. They have almost no darkness to them at all; they're just light-pure, loving beings.
Hathors are very much like dolphins. Dolphins use sonar to do almost everything, and Hathors use their voices to do almost everything. We create machines to light or heat hour house, but the Hathors simply use sound through their voices.
For a very, very long time they have helped people on Earth, almost always through their love and their incredible knowledge of sound. …The Hathors were here on Earth helping mankind for thousands of years." (pp. 278-279)
As I noted at the outset, Michael Jackson was, in the depths of his soul, also a Hathor. At some point in the journey of his soul, perhaps many thousands of years ago, Michael answered the call of the Galactic Command for more highly evolved, higher dimensional beings to come to planet Earth to help raise the planet's vibration and thereby prevent its self-destruction. As many higher beings have done for thousands of years, and are increasingly doing in ever greater numbers on the Earth at this time, Michael Jackson's soul sacrificed his higher level of consciousness to incarnate as a third-dimensional human being for the purpose of helping humanity. As the Hathors did in ancient Egypt, Michael Jackson worked primarily through sound, using a high, pure vibration to fill our airwaves with messages of hope, love, light, harmony, peace, unity, beauty and goodwill. In so doing, he touched the consciousness of millions (if not billions), brought healing to our hearts, and fulfilled his soul's mission of helping to "make this world a better place for you and me." Moreover, by incarnating as a black man in this life time, through his own DNA Michael elevated the vibration of the continent of Africa, and of all people of African descent.
As is evident to us all, in the fulfillment of his soul's mission, Michael Jackson suffered greatly. This sensitive soul was crucified by the corporate media - a media which nowadays serves as one of the foremost, modern-day crucifiers of human beings who stand for a higher frequency of love, light, beauty and truth on Earth. Michael Jackson was often misunderstood, and more than this, he was repeatedly flogged, mocked, scorned, derided, and ridiculed before the public. So was Jesus Christ was in his day:
They hung him high,
They stretched him wide,
He hung his head, for me he died,
That's love.
Michael Jackson apparently also carried a heavy karmic burden, as evidenced by his birth number, the number 29. In her book "Star Signs", the late astrologer Linda Goodman calls the number 29 "a number of perhaps the heaviest karma of all." She writes that the vibration of this number:
tests the person or entity for spiritual strength, through trials and tribulations echoing the Old Testament story of Job. The life is filled with uncertainties, treachery and deception from others, unreliable friends, unexpected dangers, and considerable grief and anxiety caused by members of the opposite sex. Its a number of grave warnings in every area of the personal life and career.
Was this not the life of our beloved Michael Jackson, in all of its highs and lows, and in all of its sadness, brokenness and glory? However, as we sing in the African American religious tradition, I thank and praise God that "Trouble don't last always!" For, as the scriptures remind us, "Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning. (Psalm 30:5)." And so it is with our beloved Michael Jackson, for, though he was bent and broken on this Earth, he has now ascended back into the Christ conscious state from which he originally came. This is the revelation, the good news, the message which I am so extraordinarily blessed to bear to his fans.
Michael has liberated himself from the wheel of life, death, and rebirth, and now joins that great brotherhood of Christ conscious beings who have silently served humanity and the Earth for untold ages: the Ascended Masters of the Brotherhood of Light. This beautiful "Sun of Righteousness", who arose with healing in his wings (Malachi 4:2) and in his songs, has this day, ascended and mounted up "with wings like eagles" (Isaiah 40:31) to be with the Lord, where he will continue to serve humanity in his own beautiful, glorious and silent way. He has been greeted with all love, glory, reverence and honor - and thunderous applause - by that blessed heavenly host for the life he lived on Earth.
In honor of him, it is my prayer that:
- the media (and its often voracious consumers) will one day cease to crucify the bearers of love, light, beauty and truth;
- that the music industry will cease to promote degradation and, in recognizing that sound is sacred, instead choose to promote the love, light, beauty and truth which Michael stood for;
- artists who have been misled into believing that they must appeal to the lowest common denominator in human consciousness to earn money will recognize in Michael an example of one who upheld the highest order of love, purity, beauty and truth while at the same time reaching millions on the planet and earning billions of dollars for himself and others.
- That the people of the Earth will come to remember their oneness with one another and the Creator, as Michael would have wanted, and work together for the advancement of humanity and all life on planet Earth.
And to you, beloved Michael Jackson, my heart and soul sings aloud with absolute joy: "Well done, well done, well done!"

Postscript:
One of my favorite videos by Michael Jackson and his brothers is "Can You Feel It". If you watch it to the end, i.e., a version that shows all seven minutes or so of it, you will clearly see that the video is an inspired imaging of the coming of the Kingdom of Christ on earth. Moreover, from the liquid fire erupting from Michael's hands, to his radiant smile, glowing aura, and the golden rays streaming from his head, the video beautifully illustrates the truth of "Christ in him - hope of glory." I cannot watch it without crying. I hope you will enjoy it as much as I do, and through it, remember the truth of who you are, and of your own soul's mission on planet Earth.

Watch: "Can You Feel It" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qycbsR6uBgI)
The lyrics to the song are inspired, poetic, beautiful and true, and are provided below.

"Can You Feel It"
(Words and Music By Michael Jackson and Jackie Jackson)
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!
If you look around
The whole world's coming together now.
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!
Feel it in the air
The wind is taking it everywhere.
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!
All the colors of the world should be
Lovin' each other wholeheartedly.
Yes it's alright, take my message to your brother and tell him twice.
Spread the word who tried to teach the man who is hatin' his brother,
When hate won't do
'cause we're all the same
Yes the blood inside of me is inside of you.

Now tell me!
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!
Can you see what's going down, you can feel it in your bones
Every breath you take,
Is someone's death in another place.
Every healthy smile,
Is hunger and strife to another child.
But the stars do shine
And promising salvation is near this time.
Can you feel it now,
So brothers and sisters
Shall we know how.
Now tell me!
Can you feel it, tell me can you feel it, can you feel it!
Talk now can you see what's going down open up your mind.
All the children of the world should be
Lovin' each other wholeheartedly
Yes it's alright
Take my message to your brother and tell him twice.
Take the news to the marchin' men
Who are killin' their brothers, when death won't do.
Yes we're all the same
Yes the blood inside my veins is inside of you.
Now tell me!
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!
Can you feel it, can you feel it, can you feel it!



http://www.spiritofmaat.com/aug09/michael_jackson_ascends.html

[Lily]

...............

[Ashtanga]

Michael Jackson was often misunderstood, and more than this, he was repeatedly flogged, mocked, scorned, derided, and ridiculed before the public.
:( Reading this made my heart hurt so much that was the hard truth. This really happened to him... unfortunately.

God is sometimes cruel, but I think that this "cruelty" that He does is for our good and for us to be ever stronger in the face of problems and difficult situations. I always I saw Michael this way: a very enlightened and blessed by God with an endless and incredible strength. Every obstacle that Michael could survive, he was getting stronger.





This song is perfect for Michael:


Look At Me Now - Kirk Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULScQ2JtaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULScQ2JtaQ)

Persecuted, criticized, been denied and abandoned
Pushed away, given away, some days I couldn't imagine
Getting harder, getting colder, was hard for me to see
Tired of runnin', tired of hurtin', even got tired of me
Tired of cryin', tired of tryin' to forget my mistakes
Tired of bein' in this storm, how much more can I take
Many nights in my life, tell me why
I shed more tears, my eyes would allow
And after all that

Look at me now!
I'm stronger this time around!
Not because I was so good, but somehow
You looked past where I was
And you knew I'd come through cause You loved me
Look at me know!
So many didn't make it through
That's why this heart belongs to only You!
How can I complain ‘bout the pain I went through
Cause it grew me
Look at me now!

Had no hope, had no future, even too hard to dream
No one told me, "boy, you can be whatever you want to be"
Then You saved me and You gave me reason to breathe again
Not perfect, ya'll, but I'm gon' run ‘til I make it to the end
(It ain't easy when your life's filled with wounds that won't heal)
And you fight through the lies trying to find what's for real
Everyone wants the prize but they can't stand the pain
The strength I needed it came that night I cried out Your name
To my people in the struggle, all my soldiers and believers
To my survivors of Rita, Katrina and even FEMA
(All things are working together for our good)

Look at me now!
I'm stronger this time around!
Not because I was so good, but somehow
You looked past where I was
And you knew I'd come through cause You loved me
Look at me know!
So many didn't make it through
That's why this heart belongs to only You!
How can I complain ‘bout the pain I went through
Cause it grew me
Look at me now!

Yes, I've seen some hard times
Some bad choices that I've made fell back on me
But now it's time to move on, move on
Can't let my past hold down my destiny
And even though I don't always know
Why you allow the night to last so long
But when I see the sunlight
It was only to make me strong

I'm better now! I'm closer now!
I'm thankful now! I'm happy now!
Look at me! Look at me!
I'm stronger now! I'm patient now!
I'm grateful now! I'll praise you now!
Look at me! Look at me!



:)

[No-Body]

About the video Victoria posted quoting Michael's poem:

- as Sdeidjs pointed already the images include some scenes from the Lord of Rings; Liv Tyler (I love her dad btw and Aerosmith as a whole) and Viggo Mortensen feature in the scenes which could very well be taken from the last installment of the trilogy - "Return of the King"; Viggo is quite a Rennaisance artist, he is a Danish-American actor, poet, musician, photographer, and painter. I actually remember watching the premiere of Return of the King on Christmas day 2003 at a cinema on Gran Via in Madrid; it was a wonderful experience

- I am not 100% positive, but I think the images some have been considering as 'current story' are also from a movie, staring Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves - the Lake House, it's from 2006 and it has a pretty interesting plot, i'll let you all discover it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0410297/plotsummary I haven't seen the movie, I remember hearing about it, the story behind it and watching some scenes, so it is an almost educated guess on my part, but I do think the scenes of the two of them embracing are from this movie

- the video itself is made by a fan who I think is Italian, ramss70 who has made a lot of great collages using Michael's poems from Dancing the dream; he also made the one featuring "God" with His eye is on the sparrow as soundtrack (where I could swear I hear Lauryn Hill towards the end), the link for which MimiK provided to us a few months ago, if you all remember when that whole discussion about God being refered to as "she" in Michael's poem ensued; I remember clearly my own position on that one LOL Also I don't think anyone needs reminding that "His eye is on the sparrow" is also one of the songs Gladys Knight performed on September 3rd; connections, connections, connections, maybe even where there aren't any LOL again

- the highway images - did anyone realize what a great driving soundtrack the BOTDF album is? Be it during the night cruising in the middle of town, or down the highway, it is greatttt; i love to listen to Michael's music in the car; I was doing just that today when coming home from work. I still think doing a remix of Earth Song is as close to a musical sacrilege as it comes, but I listened to it anyhow.

About Archangel Michael's holiday - I was reading earlier this morning the explanation for the name on a calendar and the last line said that the natural answer to the question posed in the significance of the name is, of course, No one is like God. I actually inteded to go to church for the service today, but I got caught up in the excitment to buy my TII movie ticket for October 28th that I forgot. :D

Lily, thank you so much for sharing with us the link to the Prayer. It is also one of my favorites songs. I love the version Andrea did with Celine Dion for the 9/11 memorial concert shortly after the attacks, in fact that is the version I know. In any case, it is a heartwarming song with incredibly inspiring lyrics and amazing melody. Thanks again :)

[Autumn II]

Shabuya, thanks for all the great info on the video and film! Anyone know where the music comes from?

The movie plot is fascinating. A dysjuncture in "time?" (Oddly, my computer locked up when I was reading the movie plot. . . . )

[Lily]

You're welcome Shabuya.:)

The Lake House is a good movie, I hope you get a chance to see it sometime. :)

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I love that poem it's one of my faves from dancing The Dream!

I don't know if this has been posted before but I thought it's a beautiful description that bruce Swedien gave about Michael recording in the studio, almost poetic.
From GQ Magazine September 2009

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2351/2409091706.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/2409091706.jpg/)

"Michael records in the dark" he says, "and he'll dance. and picture this: You're looking through the glass. And it's dark. With a little pin spot on him." Swedien lifts his hands to suggest a narrow cone of light shining directly down from overhead. "And you'll see the mike here. And he'll sing his lines. And then he desappears"

It seemed he loved the dark ;)

[No-Body]

No prob Victoria, glad I could help. :D About the music....ramss says in the comments part of the vid that the song is called A secret shared, on the album The storm within by an artist/band called Tellurian. I must admit I have never heard of them, but I do know the meaning of the word - anything pertaining to the earth.


Yeah Lily, I hope I'll see the Lake House movie one of these days soon.

I gotta give thanks again to Victoria and ashtanga for puting links to Kirk Franklin music. I admire him sooo much. I believe he even had some nice comments to make about Michael. He is another of those artists that I would have loved to see Mike collaborate with. In fact, another huge regret of mine that I didn't mention in my post yesterday, but something I've developed some more in the Christian thread in the General discussion is about the spiritual music I would have loved to hear from Michael, besides of course the classical masterpieces which he also composed.

Earlier I was talkin about Lauryn Hill singing His eye is on the sparrow. I actually found the confirmation in a small clip from the Sister Act movies, which I adore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nvsWQwd53I&feature=related. The complete version of the song which ramss used in the video for "God" is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Pk5YMkEcg&NR=1. And since I mentioned the Sister Act movies I guess I can go into the six degrees of separation of Mike and not fail to mention Whoopi and Thomas Gottschalk (the blonde chef with the curly hair) who both appear in the movie. Thomas is the host of the Wetten das? (Wanna bet?) show in Germany where Michael performed Earth song in 1995 and made an appearance in 1999, i think.

Going back to Kirk Franklin - I know Christmas ain't exactly around the corner, but one of my favorite songs for that time of year is his and it's called "Jesus is the reason for the season" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb5GoGnSQ0o. Another is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRFE_1huMc&feature=related from the Sister Act soundtrack.

I betta stop before I begin to 'see' snowflakes outside my window, which would be near impossible not only because of the month, but also because of the sheer darkness outside. That kinda reminds of the Vanessa Williams song "save the best for last" where she sings about snow in June. Am I all ova the place or wha? LOL Night folks.

[Ashtanga]

Shabuya, I love Kirk Franklin! He has an amazing voice and the lyrics of their songs are beautiful. He and Michael have done a great partnership. The two combine very well musically. But I also love seeing Michael teaming up with the "Seal" and "Maxwell", I also love.

Thanks for sharing the video of "Jesus is the reason for the season." I love this song! :)

[Justus]

Victoria,

what ramss has done is put many of Michael's poems/reflections from "Dancing the Dream" to video and use other music to accompany. The poems themselves are in the vid description. I LOVE what ramss does with these poems and vids/songs and I have several of them in my own favorites. Such as "God" and "The Fish That Was Thirsty".


It's possible that the girl was psychic, but that doesn't make it any less miraculous?

In terms of the recent trend of this thread, I'm not a biblical scholar, exactly, but the appearances of the name "Michael" are interesting?

There's been something I've been wondering about. . and sorry if this is digressive? There are many songs on the internet that say, "written by Michael Jackson." I've never been sure. . were they? And if so, how did they get "out there?" The song "Ecstasy," that I posted above, is one of them. Another is "Breaking Free." Are you familiar with this one, anyone? I've always found it to be dark, and mysterious. Anyone want to tackle an interpretation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4irj7-2Le4

It's an instrumental. In the video, there is a couple at first. . they look "biblical." And then a couple on an earthly plane. The man in either couple is NOT Michael, but Michael's image appears in the video, as he performs. Overlaid on all of this is an unrolling highway at night, as seen by the driver. I've always found the music and imagery to be eerie, and bleak. But, I don't know if Michael really wrote the music, or had anything to do with the video? Or maybe someone was "channeling" and it doesn't matter? Somehow I get the impression that this is similar to "Who Is It?" The woman is with someone who is NOT Michael.

So, anyone seen this? What do you think?

[8701girl]

I love that poem it's one of my faves from dancing The Dream!

I don't know if this has been posted before but I thought it's a beautiful description that bruce Swedien gave about Michael recording in the studio, almost poetic.
From GQ Magazine September 2009

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2351/2409091706.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/2409091706.jpg/)

"Michael records in the dark" he says, "and he'll dance. and picture this: You're looking through the glass. And it's dark. With a little pin spot on him." Swedien lifts his hands to suggest a narrow cone of light shining directly down from overhead. "And you'll see the mike here. And he'll sing his lines. And then he desappears"

It seemed he loved the dark ;)

He was a very mysterious man...that one of the reasons i loved him

[tha]

This song is perfect for Michael:


Look At Me Now - Kirk Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULScQ2JtaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULScQ2JtaQ)

Persecuted, criticized, been denied and abandoned
Pushed away, given away, some days I couldn't imagine
Getting harder, getting colder, was hard for me to see
Tired of runnin', tired of hurtin', even got tired of me
Tired of cryin', tired of tryin' to forget my mistakes
Tired of bein' in this storm, how much more can I take
Many nights in my life, tell me why
I shed more tears, my eyes would allow
And after all that

Look at me now!
I'm stronger this time around!
Not because I was so good, but somehow
You looked past where I was
And you knew I'd come through cause You loved me
Look at me know!
So many didn't make it through
That's why this heart belongs to only You!
How can I complain ‘bout the pain I went through
Cause it grew me
Look at me now!

Had no hope, had no future, even too hard to dream
No one told me, "boy, you can be whatever you want to be"
Then You saved me and You gave me reason to breathe again
Not perfect, ya'll, but I'm gon' run ‘til I make it to the end
(It ain't easy when your life's filled with wounds that won't heal)
And you fight through the lies trying to find what's for real
Everyone wants the prize but they can't stand the pain
The strength I needed it came that night I cried out Your name
To my people in the struggle, all my soldiers and believers
To my survivors of Rita, Katrina and even FEMA
(All things are working together for our good)

Look at me now!
I'm stronger this time around!
Not because I was so good, but somehow
You looked past where I was
And you knew I'd come through cause You loved me
Look at me know!
So many didn't make it through
That's why this heart belongs to only You!
How can I complain ‘bout the pain I went through
Cause it grew me
Look at me now!

Yes, I've seen some hard times
Some bad choices that I've made fell back on me
But now it's time to move on, move on
Can't let my past hold down my destiny
And even though I don't always know
Why you allow the night to last so long
But when I see the sunlight
It was only to make me strong

I'm better now! I'm closer now!
I'm thankful now! I'm happy now!
Look at me! Look at me!
I'm stronger now! I'm patient now!
I'm grateful now! I'll praise you now!
Look at me! Look at me!



:)

Wow! This is a great song, ashtanga!!! Kirk Franklin is a warrior!!!

[Ashtanga]

He was a very mysterious man...that one of the reasons i loved him

Me too! :wild:

The mystery of Michael fascinated me, this is one of the reasons I love him so much.

I love mysterious people. :yes:


*Tha, thanks! :D

[Lainy]

ashtanga you almost made me cry with Look At Me Now - Kirk Franklin!!
I hope that Michael will feel how much he is loved and understood by fans!

"You are not alone! I'm here with you! Thinking of you!!! :wub:

And... I agree that the mystery MJ fascinates and delights!

Wow!! Michael the best! I love you so much!! :flowers:

[Ashtanga]

"You are not alone! I'm here with you! Thinking of you!!! :wub:
Hummmmmmmmm :smilerolleyes:

This reminds me of something >>>>> TOY lol!!! :D :wild:


*Thanks Lully! :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Me too! :wild:

The mystery of Michael fascinated me, this is one of the reasons I love him so much.

I love mysterious people. :yes:


*Tha, thanks! :D

Yes, the real Michael was not only mysterious, but he was kind, generous, loving, courageous, charming and brave - a real modern day knight in shining armor, if there ever was one. Every time I hear the song, "Glory of Love," that I posted not too long ago, I will think of him, since something about that song reminds me of him. I guess that's how I always envisioned him treating a lady, real edwardian-like, like a real storybook hero. He will be missed. But at the same time, as you all say, he is still very much here. Well, I know he is. I can sense his presence all the time, as I'm sure you can too. You can't kill a soul that beautiful and powerful and I know I WILL see him again one day very, very, soon, visibly with my own eyes in a better place and time. There really is a place for us ... somewhere.

[Lainy]

Hummmmmmmmm :smilerolleyes:

This reminds me of something >>>>> TOY lol!!! :D :wild:


*Thanks Lully! :)

OH yes!! Very good!!!!!! :clapping:

And TOY reminds me L.O.V.E.! :wild:

But .. are just my thoughts!:)

[tha]

Yes, the real Michael was not only mysterious, but he was kind, generous, loving, courageous, charming and brave - a real modern day knight in shining armor, if there ever was one. Every time I hear the song, "Glory of Love," that I posted not too long ago, I will think of him, since something about that song reminds me of him. I guess that's how I always envisioned him treating a lady, real edwardian-like, like a real storybook hero. He will be missed. But at the same time, as you all say, he is still very much here. Well, I know he is. I can sense his presence all the time, as I'm sure you can too. You can't kill a soul that beautiful and powerful and I know I WILL see him again one day very, very, soon, visibly with my own eyes in a better place and time. There really is a place for us ... somewhere.

There is much of him here and everywhere, all over the world! Someone as great as he does not "disappear"! The love that he made born in our hearts is unexplainable, unconditional and immeasurable!
I also believe that I'll see him soon! ^_^

[Lainy]

Yes, the real Michael was not only mysterious, but he was kind, generous, loving, courageous, charming and brave - a real modern day knight in shining armor, if there ever was one. Every time I hear the song, "Glory of Love," that I posted not too long ago, I will think of him, since something about that song reminds me of him. I guess that's how I always envisioned him treating a lady, real edwardian-like, like a real storybook hero. He will be missed. But at the same time, as you all say, he is still very much here. Well, I know he is. I can sense his presence all the time, as I'm sure you can too. You can't kill a soul that beautiful and powerful and I know I WILL see him again one day very, very, soon, visibly with my own eyes in a better place and time. There really is a place for us ... somewhere.

WOW :clapping:

Glory of Love is incredible! Yours words sound like music to my ears, because we have very similar thoughts!

Without a doubt Michael has rare qualities! :D

[Lainy]

There is much of him here and everywhere, all over the world! Someone as great as he does not "disappear"! The love that he made born in our hearts is unexplainable, unconditional and immeasurable!
I also believe that I'll see him soon! ^_^

:clapping: Hey Tha, I agree and I believe!!!!!
Michael's a wise man! God is guiding your steps! :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

WOW :clapping:

Glory of Love is incredible! Yours words sound like music to my ears, because we have very similar thoughts!


Yep, especially the part of the song where he goes, "... just like a knight in shining armor, from a long time ago ..." You know what's funny? When I was around 14 or so, a friend of mine in high school gave me a poster of a knight in shining armor that she got from the art museum. I hung it on my closet door and used to pretend that that was Michael coming to take me to his castle far away, like in the song. Don't laugh now!:D

Oh, btw, there actually is a picture of MJ dressed like a knight in shining armor. I had that picture too. If I can find it, I'll post it.

[Ashtanga]

Yes, the real Michael was not only mysterious, but he was kind, generous, loving, courageous, charming and brave - a real modern day knight in shining armor, if there ever was one. Every time I hear the song, "Glory of Love," that I posted not too long ago, I will think of him, since something about that song reminds me of him. I guess that's how I always envisioned him treating a lady, real edwardian-like, like a real storybook hero. He will be missed. But at the same time, as you all say, he is still very much here. Well, I know he is. I can sense his presence all the time, as I'm sure you can too. You can't kill a soul that beautiful and powerful and I know I WILL see him again one day very, very, soon, visibly with my own eyes in a better place and time. There really is a place for us ... somewhere.
:yes: :clapping:




Oh, btw, there actually is a picture of MJ dressed like a knight in shining armor.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4584/027aa.jpg

Beautiful Michael! :wub:

[tha]

:clapping: Hey Tha, I agree and I believe!!!!!
Michael's a wise man! God is guiding your steps! :D
:clapping: We got to keep the faith!!!! :)


Yep, especially the part of the song where he goes, "... just like a knight in shining armor, from a long time ago ..." You know what's funny? When I was around 14 or so, a friend of mine in high school gave me a poster of a knight in shining armor that she got from the art museum. I hung it on my closet door and used to pretend that that was Michael coming to take me to his castle far away, like in the song. Don't laugh now!:D

Oh, btw, there actually is a picture of MJ dressed like a knight in shining armor. I had that picture too. If I can find it, I'll post it.

Own ..... I still hope Michael come to rescue me! ^_^

[Lainy]

Yep, especially the part of the song where he goes, "... just like a knight in shining armor, from a long time ago ..." You know what's funny? When I was around 14 or so, a friend of mine in high school gave me a poster of a knight in shining armor that she got from the art museum. I hung it on my closet door and used to pretend that that was Michael coming to take me to his castle far away, like in the song. Don't laugh now!:D

Oh, btw, there actually is a picture of MJ dressed like a knight in shining armor. I had that picture too. If I can find it, I'll post it.

Sorry but I laughed! :D Love to see!

Yes Tha! I also hope that Michael will rescue me! rsrsr :wild:

Now, in honor of my hero Michael and MysteriousPhoenix! :flowers:


Glory of Love Peter Cetera

Tonight it's very clear
As we're both lying here
There's so many things I want to say
I will always love you
I would never leave you alone

Sometimes I just forget
Say things I might regret
It breaks my heart to see you crying
I don't wanna lose you
I could never make it alone

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you're dreaming of
We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

You'll keep me standing tall
You'll help me through it all
I'm always strong when you're beside me
I have always needed you
I could never make it alone

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you've been dreaming of
We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

Just like a knight in shining armor
From a long time ago
Just in time I will save the day
Take you to my castle far away

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you're dreaming of
We're gonna live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

We did it all for love
We did it all for love
We did it all for love
We did it all for love

:clapping: I love you more Michael!!:wub:

[Lainy]

:yes: :clapping:





http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/4584/027aa.jpg

Beautiful Michael!

Wow!! Ashtanga, you 're amazing! I love this pic! I use it on my twitter! :wub:

Thanks for the post!!! ;)

[Ashtanga]

We did it all for love

L.O.V.E :D



Wow!! Ashtanga, you 're amazing! I love this pic! I use it on my twitter! :wub:

Thanks for the post!!! ;)
Thanks! :cheeky:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Now, in honor of my hero Michael and MysteriousPhoenix! :flowers:


Glory of Love Peter Cetera

Tonight it's very clear
As we're both lying here
There's so many things I want to say
I will always love you
I would never leave you alone

Sometimes I just forget
Say things I might regret
It breaks my heart to see you crying
I don't wanna lose you
I could never make it alone

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you're dreaming of
We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

You'll keep me standing tall
You'll help me through it all
I'm always strong when you're beside me
I have always needed you
I could never make it alone

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you've been dreaming of
We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

Just like a knight in shining armor
From a long time ago
Just in time I will save the day
Take you to my castle far away

I am a man who will fight for your honor
I'll be the hero you're dreaming of
We're gonna live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

We'll live forever
Knowing together that we
Did it all for the glory of love

We did it all for love
We did it all for love
We did it all for love
We did it all for love



Aww, thanks, Lully. That made me a little misty-eyed. He is a man who would fight for our honor. He would fight for any noble cause. He's a real man. He's a man's man! lol!

Thanks ashtanga for the pic! That is really magnificent!

[Ashtanga]

Thanks ashtanga for the pic! That is really magnificent!
:cheeky:

[Lainy]

Aww, thanks, Lully. That made me a little misty-eyed. He is a man who would fight for our honor. He would fight for any noble cause. He's a real man. He's a man's man! lol!

wow!! :clapping:
I never doubted this!:D
He isn't human an unattainable, unreachable ... He is so perfect, but it has flaws like any human being, and that is precisely what makes it special! And that makes us love him so much! :huggy:

[summer]

Did MJ find love in the dark....? Actually now that I read parts of what he said to the Rabbi in the "When did MJ and Lisa last speak?" thread....I think he loved Lisa, but got hurt and "threw in the towel" on love after that. :scratch:

[Ashtanga]

Did MJ find love in the dark....? Actually now that I read parts of what he said to the Rabbi in the "When did MJ and Lisa last speak?" thread....I think he loved Lisa, but got hurt and "threw in the towel" on love after that. :scratch:

If it was true love they (Michael and Lisa) would be together and everything would be different. True love overcomes all barriers. Love overcomes everything when two people really love each other. For me, Michael never met and never knew true love. I think he never felt the true love of any woman. The only true love of Michael are to their fans.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

The only true love of Michael are to their fans.

Well, he probably felt that way sometimes.

[Ashtanga]

Well, he probably felt that way sometimes.

I believe that many times. The love of the fans is unconditional and eternal. :yes:

[summer]

I believe that many times. The love of the fans is unconditional and eternal. :yes:

But it's not romantic love though. It's not the kind of love and support a girlfriend or a wife could give.

[Justus]

Sdeidjs, that was an absolutely wonderful post you made, concerning "soulmates". yeah i know it was a few pages back but I just now read it. I believe it's absolutely true and that "she" is still out there, waiting for him. Somehow, i believe that it will still happen.

[8701girl]

Did MJ find love in the dark....? Actually now that I read parts of what he said to the Rabbi in the "When did MJ and Lisa last speak?" thread....I think he loved Lisa, but got hurt and "threw in the towel" on love after that. :scratch:


Yeh i think after their break up michael didnt seem to give a hoot bout it anymore really. I mean i know he felt lonely, but i think he got sick n tired of all the bull that tends to come with love & relationships.

[tha]

But it's not romantic love though. It's not the kind of love and support a girlfriend or a wife could give.


I disagree! It's the kind of love that a woman can give to a man, yes! Why not? Was not Priscilla a fan of Elvis?! Then he fell in love with her, married and, despite the sad ending of this story, they were happy! I could give all the love that Michael looking in a woman! Love, complicity, fellowship ... I believe a fan can make him very happy, after all, a love fan is a love beyond life itself, with all forces, unconditionally and without measure!
I stopped idolize him for a long time, now I love him, just love the man he is!

[Sdeidjs]

I disagree! It's the kind of love that a woman can give to a man, yes! Why not? Was not Priscilla a fan of Elvis?! Then he fell in love with her, married and, despite the sad ending of this story, they were happy! I could give
all the love that Michael looking in a woman! Love, complicity, fellowship ... I believe a fan can make him very happy, after all,
a love fan is a love beyond life itself,
with all forces, unconditionally and without measure! I stopped idolize him for a long time, now I love him, just love the man he is!

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ashtanga]

But it's not romantic love though. It's not the kind of love and support a girlfriend or a wife could give.

Yes, you're right. :yes: What I mean by that is that he has found true love and support (as you mentioned) in a woman. Michael is loved unconditionally by the fans, this is his one true love, but he was so beloved by a woman. I always thought that Michael would be truly happy and loved by an anonymous woman, or a fan. And why not? A completely different person from him, but who knows and deeply understands the human being, man and artist Michael Jackson. :)




I believe it's absolutely true and that "she" is still out there, waiting for him. Somehow, i believe that it will still happen.
Me too!!! :)

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, that was an absolutely wonderful post you made, concerning "soulmates". yeah i know it was a few pages back but I just now read it. I believe it's absolutely true and that "she" is still out there, waiting for him. Somehow, i believe that it will still happen.

Just me being me like I always been and promised to always stay...

I am pleased that you are pleased

Thank You for all your kind words

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

RT: Must be backup :huh: LOL

Anyway,


Did MJ find love in the dark....? Actually now that I read parts of what he said to the Rabbi in the "When did MJ and Lisa last speak?" thread....I think he loved Lisa, but got hurt and "threw in the towel" on love after that. :scratch:

I think that thread is pointless but I'll comment anyway. :lol:

I think from that point on he knew what he was looking for and wanted in his TRUE LOVE, she was not it. I believe he was hurt by her betrayal, but just as what has happened to most of us when someone breaks our heart or betrays us, we move on. We also know the type of person we ultimately will choose to be part of our life and those that we stear clear of and remove from our life for whatever reason(s). I don't think Michael EVER gave up on love. I think he was hurt by people that he opened himself up to. But give up on it? He couldn't. LOVE is what was embedded in his heart, that's what he was all about and what made him so special.



But it's not romantic love though. It's not the kind of love and support a girlfriend or a wife could give.

I agree. There is a BIG difference between the love of a significant other and fans love. I think that yes it is possible to connect with someone who may be a fan, who on this planet isn't one? But like I posted many pages back, she would have to have something extremely special about her. The thing about most females that say they are "in-love" with Michael is that the emotions are based on non-realistic or fantasy-like thoughts about a man that they have no mind, body and soul connection with whatsoever. It's purely based on the persona of Michael Jackson superstar and not just Michael the very deep passionate intellectual man. Its what has been viewed through public eyes and not intimate private eyes. Most may disagree with me on that but I believe true love is a connection on ALL levels. It stimulates and awakens ALL senses and arouses ALL emotions within you. I honestly feel there are many type of love we may feel towards another person because love is such a powerful universal emotion, but TRUE LOVE with your soulmate/kindred spirit is once in a lifetime imo. :)

[Sdeidjs]

RT: Must be backup :huh: LOL

Anyway,



I think that thread is pointless but I'll comment anyway. :lol:

I think from that point on he knew what he was looking for and wanted in his TRUE LOVE, she was not it. I believe he was hurt by her betrayal, but just as what has happened to most of us when someone breaks our heart or betrays us, we move on. We also know the type of person we ultimately will choose to be part of our life and those that we stear clear of and remove from our life for whatever reason(s). I don't think Michael EVER gave up on love. I think he was hurt by people that he opened himself up to. But give up on it? He couldn't. LOVE is what was embedded in his heart, that's what he was all about and what made him so special.




I agree. There is a BIG difference between the love of a significant other and fans love. I think that yes it is possible to connect with someone who may be a fan, who on this planet isn't one? But like I posted many pages back,
she would have to have something extremely special about her. The thing about most females that say they are "in-love" with Michael is that the emotions are based on non-realistic or fantasy-like thoughts about a man that they have no mind, body and soul connection with whatsoever. It's purely based on the persona of Michael Jackson superstar and not just Michael the very deep passionate intellectual man. Its what has been viewed through public eyes and not intimate private eyes. Most may disagree with me on that but I believe
true love is a connection on ALL levels.
It stimulates and awakens ALL senses and arouses ALL emotions within you. I honestly feel there are many type of love we may feel towards another person because love is such a powerful universal emotion, but
TRUE LOVE with your soulmate/kindred spirit is once in a lifetime imo. :)

:punk:

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

He was a very mysterious man...that one of the reasons i loved him

I'm behind you ;). That kind of men are the most interesting to deal and know, however it's a shame Michael WAS ONE OF A KIND :(

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Lily]

Hi queen g, it's nice to see you back. Great post, I'm so happy you shared your thoughts! :D

I just want to add a few thoughts of mine on these 2 things. :)



Can it be possible that their story is not over yet?

I think it's eternal and will span far beyond this lifetime.



And if that isn't enough, has God also so graciously placed into one woman a love for Michael that would make him feel finally...complete, happy, truly loved and satisfied?

I truly hope that he was gifted with all of these magical feelings and knew in his heart that he is forever unconditionally loved.

Something we all will hopefully be blessed with and have the opportunity to experience at some point in time within our life. :)

[summer]

I disagree! It's the kind of love that a woman can give to a man, yes! Why not? Was not Priscilla a fan of Elvis?! Then he fell in love with her, married and, despite the sad ending of this story, they were happy! I could give all the love that Michael looking in a woman! Love, complicity, fellowship ... I believe a fan can make him very happy, after all, a love fan is a love beyond life itself, with all forces, unconditionally and without measure!
I stopped idolize him for a long time, now I love him, just love the man he is!

I didn't mean he could have never had a real relationship with a fan...Sure, why not, if he got to know the fan first and both fell in love and felt they were right for each other! What I meant though was that the kind of love between MJ and fans is not the kind of love that is between a husband and wife. Why? Because we are strangers to Michael. And in order for someone to be IN LOVE with someone, one has to know the person well and has to have spent time with them. I know all of us fans care deeply about Michael and his well being and only want good things for him. I know that. And I am sure Michael really does (or did...I still can't bring myself to talk in past tense. :cry:) love us and appreciates our love and support. But it's more of a "friendly" kind of love. Or a "deep appreciation" kind of thing.

Also, can you really say that you could give Michael all the love he was looking for in a woman when you don't know him? I mean, do you KNOW what he is (was) looking for in a woman? I don't. That's what I meant with "fan love" not being equal to the kind of love two people have when they are in a relationship. Because fans have their own "ideas" of what Michael is like and what he wants...when they in reality don't have a clue. They have this "fantasy idea" of him and in their mind he is perfect for them. And maybe he is....but would any of us have been perfect for Michael? Only Michael could answer that.




I agree. There is a BIG difference between the love of a significant other and fans love. I think that yes it is possible to connect with someone who may be a fan, who on this planet isn't one? But like I posted many pages back, she would have to have something extremely special about her. The thing about most females that say they are "in-love" with Michael is that the emotions are based on non-realistic or fantasy-like thoughts about a man that they have no mind, body and soul connection with whatsoever. It's purely based on the persona of Michael Jackson superstar and not just Michael the very deep passionate intellectual man. Its what has been viewed through public eyes and not intimate private eyes. Most may disagree with me on that but I believe true love is a connection on ALL levels. It stimulates and awakens ALL senses and arouses ALL emotions within you. I honestly feel there are many type of love we may feel towards another person because love is such a powerful universal emotion, but TRUE LOVE with your soulmate/kindred spirit is once in a lifetime imo. :)

Thank you! That's exactly what I meant.

I think one can only talk about "TRUE LOVE" when one knows the other one well, with flaws and all, and still loves them...and when it's also MUTUAL.

Like I said, fans have this "fantasy" of who Michael really is. He is "perfect" in their minds and can do no wrong. Which is kind of unfair to Michael, because he is just a human too, and none of us is perfect, and we all make mistakes. Anyways, my point is that yes, I know fans care about Michael very much and I am sure Michael cared about us, but still our love to him is not equal to the kind of love the "right one" could have given to him. I mean, think about it. No matter how much your family and friends love you...wouldn't you still long for love from that "someone special"? Because no matter how much your family and friends love you...they could never give you the kind of love a "significant other" could give.


And if that isn't enough, has God also so graciously placed into one woman a love for Michael that would make him feel finally...complete, happy, truly loved and satisfied?

I so wish he could have found the kind of love that would have made him complete and would have lasted 'til the end of his days (and beyond) before he died. He would have deserved it more than anyone! :cry:

[tha]

I didn't mean he could have never had a real relationship with a fan...Sure, why not, if he got to know the fan first and both fell in love and felt they were right for each other! What I meant though was that the kind of love between MJ and fans is not the kind of love that is between a husband and wife. Why? Because we are strangers to Michael. And in order for someone to be IN LOVE with someone, one has to know the person well and has to have spent time with them. I know all of us fans care deeply about Michael and his well being and only want good things for him. I know that. And I am sure Michael really does (or did...I still can't bring myself to talk in past tense. :cry:) love us and appreciates our love and support. But it's more of a "friendly" kind of love. Or a "deep appreciation" kind of thing.

Also, can you really say that you could give Michael all the love he was looking for in a woman when you don't know him? I mean, do you KNOW what he is (was) looking for in a woman? I don't. That's what I meant with "fan love" not being equal to the kind of love two people have when they are in a relationship. Because fans have their own "ideas" of what Michael is like and what he wants...when they in reality don't have a clue. They have this "fantasy idea" of him and in their mind he is perfect for them. And maybe he is....but would any of us have been perfect for Michael? Only Michael could answer that.



I agree on some points with you! I did not mean that I am the ideal person for Michael! No! I said that I could love him the way he deserves, from woman to man! I don't love him with the intention of marrying him (although when I was a child, he was the Prince Charming in my stories), I love him without pretense! He is not perfect and I know that he has his faults like any other human being only makes me love him more! I do not idealize a Michael in my dreams, I dream with the real Michael! That laughing, crying, be happy, be gets nervous, showing the finger to the paparazzi, that stamps his foot when he is not satisfied, finally, like I said before, I don't idolize Michael Jackson - the artist, I love Michael - the man! ;)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:woohoo:The queen is BACK! :queen: Yes!!!





I'm getting the impression that some here have an amazing faith that against...all odds... God can still bring to MJ his soulmate, that she is still somewhere, feeling him, sensing him, loving him, hoping in him.

Justus wrote this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justus
I believe it's absolutely true and that "she" is still out there, waiting for him.

And Moddie had gotten this same sense in her last dream:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moddie
...he knows she is there waiting for him.

Can it be possible that their story is not over yet?



All this talk of "waiting" reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuU0cJ_iW8w

I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)

Like a warrior that fights
And wins the battle
I know the taste of victory
Though I went through some nights
Consumed by the shadows
I was crippled emotionally
Somehow I made it through the heartache
Yes I did, I escaped
I found my way out of the darkness,
Kept my faith (I know you did)
Kept my faith

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low it didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

With an endless desire I kept on searching
Sure in time our eyes would meet
Like the bridge is on fire
The hurt is over, one touch and you set me free
No, I don't regret a single moment
No I don't looking back
When I think of all those disappointments
I just laugh (I know you do), I just laugh

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low it didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

So we were drawn together through destiny
I know this love we share was meant to be
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting for me

[tha]

All this talk of "waiting" reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuU0cJ_iW8w

I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)

Like a warrior that fights
And wins the battle
I know the taste of victory
Though I went through some nights
Consumed by the shadows
I was crippled emotionally
Somehow I made it through the heartache
Yes I did, I escaped
I found my way out of the darkness,
Kept my faith (I know you did)
Kept my faith

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low it didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

With and endless desire I kept on searching
Sure in time our eyes would meet
Like the bridge is on fire
The hurt is over, one touch and you set me free
No, I don't regret a single moment
No I don't looking back
When I think of all those disappointments
I just laugh (I know you do), I just laugh

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low iIt didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

So we were drawn together through destiny
I know this love we share was meant to be
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting for me

Aaaaahhhhhhh! I love this song, MP!!!!! George and Aretha rocks!!! :woohoo:

P.S.: It is impossible not to think of Michael when we hear this song

[Ashtanga]

All this talk of "waiting" reminded me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuU0cJ_iW8w

I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)

Like a warrior that fights
And wins the battle
I know the taste of victory
Though I went through some nights
Consumed by the shadows
I was crippled emotionally
Somehow I made it through the heartache
Yes I did, I escaped
I found my way out of the darkness,
Kept my faith (I know you did)
Kept my faith

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low it didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

With and endless desire I kept on searching
Sure in time our eyes would meet
Like the bridge is on fire
The hurt is over, one touch and you set me free
No, I don't regret a single moment
No I don't looking back
When I think of all those disappointments
I just laugh (I know you do), I just laugh

When the river was deep I didn't falter
When the mountain was high I still believed
When the valley was low iIt didn't stop me, no no
I knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting for me

So we were drawn together through destiny
I know this love we share was meant to be
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting
I knew you were waiting, knew you were waiting for me
:wild::clapping:
Wow! You were perfect now! :yes: It is a beautiful song that is very optimistic and inspiring. This song is perfect...:cheeky:




One more song that I love:


Stomp! - Kirk Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AdYnFY_bZ0

[Kirk]: For those of you that think gospel music has gone to far.
You think we got to radical for Christ.
Well I got news for you, you is not heard nothin yet,
and if you do not know now you know. Glory, Glory!

[Part1:] Lately I've been going through some things that really got me down.
I need someone somebody to come and help me turn my life around.
I can not explain, I can not obtain it. Jesus your love is so, it's so amazing.
It gets me high up to the sky, and when I think about your goodness it makes me want to stomp.
Makes me clap my hands. Makes me want to dance and stomp.
My brother can not you see I got the victory. STOMP!

[repeat part 1]

[Salt [rap]]: When I think about the goodness and fullness of God,
makes me thankful pity the hateful I'm grateful.
The Lord brought me through this far,
trying to be cute when I praise him raise him high.
I keep the live beat bumping. Keep it jumping make the Lord feel something.
Is not no shame in my game God's Property. Kickin 'it wit Kirk is not no stoppin' me. UH stomp

[Kirk:] GP are you wit me?
[GP:] oh yeah we having church we is not going nowhere.
[repeat 3 times]

[pt2:] stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp

I promise the stomp, the whole stomp, nothin but the stomp

[Kirk:] It is not over. It is not over

[repeat part 2 until fades.]

:)





P.S.: It is impossible not to think of Michael when we hear this song
:woohoo:

[tha]

:wild::clapping:
Wow! You were perfect now! :yes: It is a beautiful song that is very optimistic and inspiring. This song is perfect...:cheeky:




One more song that I love:


Stomp! - Kirk Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AdYnFY_bZ0

[Kirk]: For those of you that think gospel music has gone to far.
You think we got to radical for Christ.
Well I got news for you, you is not heard nothin yet,
and if you do not know now you know. Glory, Glory!

[Part1:] Lately I've been going through some things that really got me down.
I need someone somebody to come and help me turn my life around.
I can not explain, I can not obtain it. Jesus your love is so, it's so amazing.
It gets me high up to the sky, and when I think about your goodness it makes me want to stomp.
Makes me clap my hands. Makes me want to dance and stomp.
My brother can not you see I got the victory. STOMP!

[repeat part 1]

[Salt [rap]]: When I think about the goodness and fullness of God,
makes me thankful pity the hateful I'm grateful.
The Lord brought me through this far,
trying to be cute when I praise him raise him high.
I keep the live beat bumping. Keep it jumping make the Lord feel something.
Is not no shame in my game God's Property. Kickin 'it wit Kirk is not no stoppin' me.
UH stomp

[Kirk:] GP are you wit me?
[GP:] oh yeah we having church we is not going nowhere.
[repeat 3 times]

[pt2:] stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp

I promise the stomp, the whole stomp, nothin but the stomp

[Kirk:] It is not over. It is not over

[repeat part 2 until fades.]

:)

Kirk Franklin is great! His songs are life lessons! "A Whole Nation" is my favorite! :)

[Moddie777]

It's gonna take me centuries to get through all this reading.

And the tears. Stop crying before you make my make-up run, y'all don't wanna see
me with my face running, lol.

Oh queen, it's so good to see you here again!

[Lainy]

That's why I love this topic, I hear all music of love! wow! :wild:
MP, this song soothes my soul! sounds optimistic and makes my hope reborn! :wub:

One day Michael will find a true love, who loves the man Michael, with yours defects,
insecurities, fears, beyond the artist who conceived in our most intimate dreams!
Be next to a famous or anonymous, doesn't matter!
I just hope she makes you happy! (I speak at time present because I feel as if still he were here...)
Loves impossibles are the best. ;)

And who said that platonic love can not accomplish? :)
I believe in dreams ...

This song also reminds me Michael: :wub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWVra8pDGE&feature=player_embedded

You Gotta Love Someone - Elton John

You can win the fight, you can grab a piece of the sky
You can break the rules but before you try
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone

You can stop the world, steal the face from the moon
You can beat the clock, but before high noon
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone


You've got one life with a reason
You need two hearts on one side
When you stand alone and there's no one there
To share the way it feels inside and baby


You can cheat the devil and slice a piece of the sun
Burn up the highway but before you run
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone


When you're gonna play with fire
You let someone share the heat
When you're on your own and there's no one there
To cool the flames beneath your feet and baby


You can win the fight, you can grab a piece of the sky
You can break the rules but before you try
You gotta love someone

[tha]

Eita....We must create a topic: "Songs That Rememberl Michael" lol

[Ashtanga]

This song also reminds me Michael: :wub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWVra8pDGE&feature=player_embedded

You Gotta Love Someone - Elton John

You can win the fight, you can grab a piece of the sky
You can break the rules but before you try
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone

You can stop the world, steal the face from the moon
You can beat the clock, but before high noon
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone


You've got one life with a reason
You need two hearts on one side
When you stand alone and there's no one there
To share the way it feels inside and baby


You can cheat the devil and slice a piece of the sun
Burn up the highway but before you run
You gotta love someone
You gotta love someone


When you're gonna play with fire
You let someone share the heat
When you're on your own and there's no one there
To cool the flames beneath your feet and baby


You can win the fight, you can grab a piece of the sky
You can break the rules but before you try
You gotta love someone
Oh Lully!! This song is sooooooooooo beautiful... :clapping:

Thanks for sharing! :D

I'll listen to it thinking about Michael. :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

We all miss MJ so much :(

[Lainy]

Eita....We must create a topic: "Songs That Rememberl Michael" lol

hahah It's true!!! :)


Oh Lully!! This song is sooooooooooo beautiful... :clapping:

Thanks for sharing! :D

I'll listen to it thinking about Michael. :wub:

:cheeky:


We all miss MJ so much :(

yes, this is true... :( but I know he's well! I feel this!
Maybe we will see you soon!
I believe in L.O.V.E. :D