Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[8701girl]

I'm behind you ;). That kind of men are the most interesting to deal and know, however it's a shame Michael WAS ONE OF A KIND :(


Yep men like that are very interesting, but i think for lisa it was too much to deal with. I dont think she knew what was on mikes mind half the time, i guess that way she gave up in the end.

[lulubelle]

Queen, your post just made me cry..It was truly touching. God Bless you.

[8701girl]

It's gonna take me centuries to get through all this reading.

And the tears. Stop crying before you make my make-up run, y'all don't wanna see
me with my face running, lol.


Lol i know ..hey at least this thread will keep us occupied for a long time!

Aww :hug: dont cry hun

[Ashtanga]

Yep men like that are very interesting, but i think for lisa it was too much to deal with. I dont think she knew what was on mikes mind half the time, i guess that way she gave up in the end.

I think this case was that there was one true love. As I said, the true and sincere love overcomes all. I think many women (fans) wanted to have this opportunity to be the love of Michael. lol! :wild:

I love... But God was very generous with me. :( He gave me the opportunity to simply meet Michael. I would love to just be a friend of his. That would be the greatest gift given to me by God.

But... you can not have and get everything in life. :(

[8701girl]

AWW im so glad u got to meet mike hun! :D

Im thankful i got the chance to see him in concert, but i never got the chance to meet him.

[tha]

I think this case was that there was one true love. As I said, the true and sincere love overcomes all. I think many women (fans) wanted to have this opportunity to be the love of Michael. lol! :wild:

I love... But God was very generous with me. :( He gave me the opportunity to simply meet Michael. I would love to just be a friend of his. That would be the greatest gift given to me by God.

But... you can not have and get everything in life. :(


This is all I wanted too! I wanted have the chance to meet him, be his friend .... God forgot me too! :(

[Lainy]

Yep men like that are very interesting, but i think for lisa it was too much to deal with. I dont think she knew what was on mikes mind half the time, i guess that way she gave up in the end.

Yes, I agree, but maybe knowing what was in the mind of Michael would very require ... Mike's a genius, has a private world within himself, with complex feelings and emotions ... I believe only true love would enough to make Mike happy and fill your empty.

[8701girl]

Yes, I agree, but maybe knowing what was in the mind of Michael would very require ... Mike's a genius, has a private world within himself, with complex feelings and emotions ... I believe only true love would enough to make Mike happy and fill your empty.


I think for someone to be with mj would have to be very strong, as mike was i guess weak in a sense. He craved someone to hold him up from all the pain he felt through all these years.

[Ashtanga]

AWW im so glad u got to meet mike hun! :D

Im thankful i got the chance to see him in concert, but i never got the chance to meet him.

I'm very, very, very happy for you. Because I know that was unforgettable to you and you will never forget. :wub::yes:


But I do not know if I laugh or cry for me. I'm sad to think that Michael was 3 times in my country and in the last 2 times I can not see it. :(





This is all I wanted too! I wanted have the chance to meet him, be his friend .... God forgot me too! :(
:(

Well, if we were not all Brazilian would be easier. We could be American and live in that place the EUA. The chances of knowing Michael would have increased by double! lol! :wild:

(A little humor to chase away the sadness.) :D

[8701girl]

I'm very, very, very happy for you. Because I know that was unforgettable to you and you will never forget. :wub::yes:


But I do not know if I laugh or cry for me. I'm sad to think that Michael was 3 times in my country and in the last 2 times I can not see it. :(



Yes november 24th 1996 will be a day i will never forgot ever!

aww hun dont feel guilty, you got the chance to tell mike how u felt bout him and im sure he will keep those words u said to him with in heaven forever!

[tha]

I'm very, very, very happy for you. Because I know that was unforgettable to you and you will never forget. :wub::yes:


But I do not know if I laugh or cry for me. I'm sad to think that Michael was 3 times in my country and in the last 2 times I can not see it. :(





:(

Well, if we were not all Brazilian would be easier. We could be American and live in that place the EUA. The chances of knowing Michael would have increased by double! lol! :wild:

(A little humor to chase away the sadness.) :D



I think these are the biggest frustrations of my life! I could not see Michael here in our country! Who had the chance to watch a show of him can be considered blessed in life! And I thought I would have a chance with the new tour ... :(

[Lainy]

I think for someone to be with mj would have to be very strong, as mike was i guess weak in a sense. He craved someone to hold him up from all the pain he felt through all these years.

Yes it's true!

But even if this someone were not as strong as him, I believe that if there was LOVE ... yes, love in its fullness! "Love is patient and helpful, is not proud, always trusts, always hopes, always supports... " this is love that I speak .. and believe this is love that Michael needed! :(

[Ashtanga]

Yes november 24th 1996 will be a day i will never forgot ever!

aww hun dont feel guilty, you got the chance to tell mike how u felt bout him and im sure he will keep those words u said to him with in heaven forever!
:( Thinking about it makes me sad.




I think these are the biggest frustrations of my life! I could not see Michael here in our country! Who had the chance to watch a show of him can be considered blessed in life! And I thought I would have a chance with the new tour ... :(
Me too... :(

[8701girl]

Yes it's true!

But even if this someone were not as strong as him, I believe that if there was LOVE ... yes, love in its fullness! "Love is patient and helpful, is not proud, always trusts, always hopes, always supports... " this is love that I speak .. and believe this is love that Michael needed! :(


I totally agree with that! :clapping:
But the thing i dislike bout love, it can hurt too

Aww ash :hug:

[Ashtanga]

Aww ash :hug:

Sometimes I feel like that. I miss him. :(

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[8701girl]

:hug: @ ash

I know how u feel hun, im feelin that ..we all are :(

[Ashtanga]

:hug: @ ash

I know how u feel hun, im feelin that ..we all are :(

Do not worry. I'm sure this pain will pass some day. I hope that very soon.
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[Lainy]

I think these are the biggest frustrations of my life! I could not see Michael here in our country! Who had the chance to watch a show of him can be considered blessed in life! And I thought I would have a chance with the new tour ... :(

Oh don't tell me!! I feel sad too, would be unique and magical meet Michael, exchange a few words ... Sorry for not realize this dream ...
A hug, a "hi" and my world would never be the same ... Live happily and save this moment in my heart ...
If only he knew of my existence ... and the feelings I have inside me

Good. but maybe God is not generous with me! And I accept my sad condition. :(

[8701girl]

Do not worry. I'm sure this pain will pass some day. I hope that very soon.
:hug:


Yeh it will one day..i hope..

[TialovesMJ]

Yep men like that are very interesting, but i think for lisa it was too much to deal with. I dont think she knew what was on mikes mind half the time, i guess that way she gave up in the end.

Maybe it was better that way, them seperating!! I guess we can say we dont know what happend between them.

[TialovesMJ]

Yeh it will one day..i hope..

Yes, hopefully.But its soo hard still :(

[8701girl]

Maybe it was better that way, them seperating!! I guess we can say we dont know what happend between them.


Yeh i think them two together was like having two bombs bout to explode ( im not saying this in a bad way) kinda like u know it gonna happen..but when

[tha]

Sometimes I feel like that. I miss him. :(

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Oh, God....I miss him so much! "Hurts so bad sometimes is hard to breathe!" :(


Do not worry. I'm sure this pain will pass some day. I hope that very soon.
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Maybe someday.... :(

[TialovesMJ]

Yeh i think them two together was like having two bombs bout to explode ( im not saying this in a bad way) kinda like u know it gonna happen..but when

Exactly!

[8701girl]

:hug: tha

[Lainy]

@Tha and @Ashtanga one day who knows ...

I also feel very lack of him :hug:

But... I believe in my dreams!! :wub:

[8701girl]

I dont feel i belive in dreams any more

[Ashtanga]

@Tha and @Ashtanga one day who knows ...

I also feel very lack of him :hug:

But... I believe in my dreams!! :wub:
:hug:

It makes me think of the song "One day in your life." :wub: I love both this song and is one of my favorites. Michael sings with the soul and with such emotion and love. I hear it now! :D:wild:

[8701girl]

Yeh "one day in your life" is special

[Ashtanga]

Yeh "one day in your life" is special

Yes It's a beautiful song. :yes::wild:

All Michael did was very, very, very special. :wub:

[8701girl]

^ :yes:

[Lainy]

I dont feel i belive in dreams any more

own :hug: Don't think that way! The love overcomes all and he always wins!


:hug:

It makes me think of the song "One day in your life." :wub: I love both this song and is one of my favorites. Michael sings with the soul and with such emotion and love. I hear it now! :D:wild:

WOW!!!

I was listening to this song and "Glory of Love" today,thinking of Michael! "One day in your life" and I would be very, very happy!:wub:

[Autumn II]

I don't know if you found this on the Support Forum, or if you have read it? I'll post it again here. There are just TOO many tears. . . I wrote this only a couple of days. . after. Some of you here seem to be suffering TOO much, at the expense of your own lives and spiritual development? I hope you know what I'm saying . . .that I worry about the living? This is a beautiful thread, but please, also. be in touch with friends, the natural world, and everything else? I know it's difficult, but try to maintain a balance?

Oh, you gentle and loving people, here is my essay:

Finding meaning in tragedy. Please read. Hope it helps The memorial was exquisite, and soul-wrenching. In addition to my own terrible grief about the passing of Michael, I’ve been trying to help so many who have contacted me, wanting to die, not knowing how they will live without him. I have tried to help them, but I feel the grief, too, and have not really had the answers. I’ve done the best I could, and I will keep trying.

But for my own sake, too, I have needed to find meaning in his death. My grief is NOT less than yours. “God wanted him back” is not enough for me. That is too cruel for the living, and for our pain at his loss. “His music will live on,” is too abstract, in his absence. “We will carry forward his legacy?” Of course we will, but that is not enough. I have worked through many possibilities for finding meaning in this terrible tragedy. I think I may have found it, and would like to share it with you. I hope this helps you.

Most of us never met Michael, never had contact with him. Yet in so many ways, he felt like a close family member. Others might not understand, but he was everything to us. A father, brother, lover, and friend. A protector. For some, he walked with them to school in the mornings. For many, he was the last person they thought of at night, and the first they said “good morning" to, upon awakening, even though he was not physically there. He was like a bright light, that allowed us to see through any darkness. He saved some from taking their lives. He was THAT important.

He was someone who understood us – and we knew that -- even though most had never spoken to him in person. His voice had an intimacy where we all felt that he was speaking, or singing, just to us – to you and me, alone. He offered himself up to us. He held nothing back. He gave all he could of his physicality in performances and short films, and in his lyrics and music, and especially of his emotions. He was sacrificial, for us, in that way, but he knew and accepted that. Michael LOVED his fans, more?

So where is the meaning in his death? It is, of course, love, but in a very special way. Not only his love for us, but the love that we felt, and still feel. The FANS knew him best. Not the media commentators, not the so-called biographers, but the FANS. We learned something amazing from him. We learned, from him, how to love deeply, and unconditionally. The meaning is in the love we learned how to feel, for someone most had never met. That love was huge, global, and yet personal. WE are the people who have learned how to love, and we have learned what that kind of unselfish love feels like. We are the lucky ones, to have loved that much? Even in our pain, I think that is his gift to us? To discover our emotional depth?

Our grief is overwhelming, but that is because of the extent of our love. We are lucky, to have had that in our lives. Most people live safe and careful lives, but WE are the ones who gave our hearts away. And now, we bear the pain of the loss. That was always the risk? But, that is better than not to have loved at all? We were not careful. We dared to live and love deeply. How can we bear this loss? I think we can bear it by being proud of ourselves, by applauding ourselves, as complete, and emotional, human-beings who have learned how to love. . . . We have learned something important from Michael. We have learned how to risk to love, that much, and THAT is incredible. It fuels our pain, but can also fuel our survival. Such a love is universal.

So here is what we must do. We must recognize and honor that capacity in ourselves, and then, when we are ready, we must share our gift of knowing how to love that much. We must love our families that much; we must love our friends that much; we must love people across the globe from us whom we have never met, that much; we must LOVE people as we loved Michael, and as much as he loved us. Because, we have already learned how to do it, and we already accepted the risk of giving our hearts away.

We are the ones who love the most. Michael taught us that. And now, it is our responsibility, when we are ready, to share it. Love is profoundly healing, for the world. Your responsibility now, and mine, is to preserve ourselves, to take care of ourselves, and to understand that our great capacity for love is unusual in this modern, media-driven world. When you are ready, your responsibility, and the meaning to be found in this loss, is to share your gift of the capacity to love, that you learned from Michael. I challenge you to do that. I can, and I think you can, too.

peace, and Keep the Faith,

Victoria

[tha]

:hug: tha

Thanks, Honey! ^_^


@Tha and @Ashtanga one day who knows ...

I also feel very lack of him :hug:

But... I believe in my dreams!! :wub:

We need to believe!


:hug:

It makes me think of the song "One day in your life." :wub: I love both this song and is one of my favorites. Michael sings with the soul and with such emotion and love. I hear it now! :D:wild:

Oh, God...I love this song, but it makes me cry! :(


I dont feel i belive in dreams any more

We need to believe in our dreams! Is the only thing that we have now...and faith!! Look my sign: "we got have a reason, a reason to believe, a reason just to dream"

"If we all cry at the same time tonight"....Would be our prayers answered? :(

[Ashtanga]

I don't know if you found this on the Support Forum, or if you have read it? I'll post it again here. There are just TOO many tears. . . I wrote this only a couple of days. . after. Some of you here seem to be suffering TOO much, at the expense of your own lives and spiritual development? I hope you know what I'm saying . . .that I worry about the living? This is a beautiful thread, but please, also. be in touch with friends, the natural world, and everything else? I know it's difficult, but try to maintain a balance?

Oh, you gentle and loving people, here is my essay:

Finding meaning in tragedy. Please read. Hope it helps The memorial was exquisite, and soul-wrenching. In addition to my own terrible grief about the passing of Michael, I’ve been trying to help so many who have contacted me, wanting to die, not knowing how they will live without him. I have tried to help them, but I feel the grief, too, and have not really had the answers. I’ve done the best I could, and I will keep trying.

But for my own sake, too, I have needed to find meaning in his death. My grief is NOT less than yours. “God wanted him back” is not enough for me. That is too cruel for the living, and for our pain at his loss. “His music will live on,” is too abstract, in his absence. “We will carry forward his legacy?” Of course we will, but that is not enough. I have worked through many possibilities for finding meaning in this terrible tragedy. I think I may have found it, and would like to share it with you. I hope this helps you.

Most of us never met Michael, never had contact with him. Yet in so many ways, he felt like a close family member. Others might not understand, but he was everything to us. A father, brother, lover, and friend. A protector. For some, he walked with them to school in the mornings. For many, he was the last person they thought of at night, and the first they said “good morning" to, upon awakening, even though he was not physically there. He was like a bright light, that allowed us to see through any darkness. He saved some from taking their lives. He was THAT important.

He was someone who understood us – and we knew that -- even though most had never spoken to him in person. His voice had an intimacy where we all felt that he was speaking, or singing, just to us – to you and me, alone. He offered himself up to us. He held nothing back. He gave all he could of his physicality in performances and short films, and in his lyrics and music, and especially of his emotions. He was sacrificial, for us, in that way, but he knew and accepted that. Michael LOVED his fans, more?

So where is the meaning in his death? It is, of course, love, but in a very special way. Not only his love for us, but the love that we felt, and still feel. The FANS knew him best. Not the media commentators, not the so-called biographers, but the FANS. We learned something amazing from him. We learned, from him, how to love deeply, and unconditionally. The meaning is in the love we learned how to feel, for someone most had never met. That love was huge, global, and yet personal. WE are the people who have learned how to love, and we have learned what that kind of unselfish love feels like. We are the lucky ones, to have loved that much? Even in our pain, I think that is his gift to us? To discover our emotional depth?

Our grief is overwhelming, but that is because of the extent of our love. We are lucky, to have had that in our lives. Most people live safe and careful lives, but WE are the ones who gave our hearts away. And now, we bear the pain of the loss. That was always the risk? But, that is better than not to have loved at all? We were not careful. We dared to live and love deeply. How can we bear this loss? I think we can bear it by being proud of ourselves, by applauding ourselves, as complete, and emotional, human-beings who have learned how to love. . . . We have learned something important from Michael. We have learned how to risk to love, that much, and THAT is incredible. It fuels our pain, but can also fuel our survival. Such a love is universal.

So here is what we must do. We must recognize and honor that capacity in ourselves, and then, when we are ready, we must share our gift of knowing how to love that much. We must love our families that much; we must love our friends that much; we must love people across the globe from us whom we have never met, that much; we must LOVE people as we loved Michael, and as much as he loved us. Because, we have already learned how to do it, and we already accepted the risk of giving our hearts away.

We are the ones who love the most. Michael taught us that. And now, it is our responsibility, when we are ready, to share it. Love is profoundly healing, for the world. Your responsibility now, and mine, is to preserve ourselves, to take care of ourselves, and to understand that our great capacity for love is unusual in this modern, media-driven world. When you are ready, your responsibility, and the meaning to be found in this loss, is to share your gift of the capacity to love, that you learned from Michael. I challenge you to do that. I can, and I think you can, too.

peace, and Keep the Faith,

Victoria
You were so perfect. :wub: Thank you for all these comforting words. I hope everyone here read and all will feel better. :clapping:

[tha]

Victoria83
Beautiful words. It made me cry ... :(

[Lainy]

Wow Victoria! Thanks! :clapping:
I want to keep with me, the message conveyed for Mike ... And I never want to do something that lets you sad!
"I Just can't stop loving you"! :wub:

[tha]

Hey, let's tell some jokes to give it a lively place?!! :yes: lol


Michael doesn't will feel good with our pain... :(

[Autumn II]

Victoria83
Beautiful words. It made me cry ... :(

It made me cry, too, as I was writing it. I just had to make some sense out of it, somehow, and this is what I came up with. So, the worst pain I feel, is also the most love? They are related, in a sense?

carry on,

Vic

[tha]

It made me cry, too, as I was writing it. I just had to make some sense out of it, somehow, and this is what I came up with. So, the worst pain I feel, is also the most love? They are related, in a sense?

carry on,

Vic


Yes, it does a lot of sense! Thank you for exposing your views point with us! ^_^

[summer]

I dont feel i belive in dreams any more

Me neither. :( The magic died with Michael. :cry: I've been trying to find something that would replace the magic...I've been thinking of travelling, finally going to Paris, because I have always wanted to see it...or New York...or where ever (I can't go to London because everything there would just remind me of Michael. I'd just end up crying if I went there. Maybe some day, but not now. It's too soon.)...But I just don't feel like it. It's like "What's the point? What do I do there?". Or I've been trying to tell myself to go shopping...buy myself something nice...but I can't even get myself to GO shopping because I'm like "What would I do with anything? I don't need anything. I just want Michael back!"

And Vic, great post. Life must go on...somehow.

The worst part is that I don't know if it was good or bad that I saw Michael again in March this year. And so CLOSE on top of that. In a way I am grateful that I was given one last chance to say "I love you" to him before he died (I had a HUGE banner that said "We love you FOR ALL TIME" and he saw it), and that he knew that the girl with the King of Music banner was still his fan and was still supporting him after all these years. But at the same time it makes it all the more difficult to let go. Had I not seen him again after all these years, it maybe would have been a little bit easier to cope with his death. But to have such a HIGH....to see him SO HAPPY...and to be SO HAPPY to see him myself...and have such amazing memories....and then BOOM...you get the ultimate kick in the stomach just three months later that leaves you breatheless and your soul almost lifeless.....It's just not easy. :boohoo:

[Ashtanga]

Hey, let's tell some jokes to give it a lively place?!! :yes: lol

Good idea! :wild: I could do that, but I'm terrible with jokes. lol! :D

I know that everything will be fine... It's just a matter of time. :yes:

[tha]

Good idea! :wild: I could do that, but I'm terrible with jokes. lol! :D

I know that everything will be fine... It's just a matter of time. :yes:


Exactly! We need to try to overcome the pain and see clearly!
KEEP THE FAITH!


Time for Joke:

A drunk man comes home 2:00am and his house door is locked, he starts calling his wife

-Opens the door woman

and she replies:

- No, don't you want to stay out drinking? So stay.

and the man cleverly speaks:

- Open the door, please. I brought flowers to the most beautiful woman in the world.

The woman touched, opens the door and he goes in and sits on the couch all dropped, and the woman question

- Huh, where are the flowers?

and the man replies

- Where is the most beautiful woman in the world?

:D lol

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^ :lol: Good one, tha!

[Ashtanga]

Exactly! We need to try to overcome the pain and see clearly!
KEEP THE FAITH!


Time for Joke:

A drunk man comes home 2:00am and his house door is locked, he starts calling his wife

-Opens the door woman

and she replies:

- No, don't you want to stay out drinking? So stay.

and the man cleverly speaks:

- Open the door, please. I brought flowers to the most beautiful woman in the world.

The woman touched, opens the door and he goes in and sits on the couch all dropped, and the woman question

- Huh, where are the flowers?

and the man replies

- Where is the most beautiful woman in the world?

:D lol
OMG!!!! :wild: This is the Brazilian way!!! :D:yes:

Thank you for risking a joke. You were very brave!
(It had to be Brazilian! Lol!) :doh:

I hope you will get from some or much smiles here. :D




^ :lol: Good one, tha!

Tha, it seems that his attempt was a success. You pulled a smile from someone... :wild:

Very good MP! :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Tha, it seems that his attempt was a success. You pulled a smile from someone... :wild:

Very good MP! :D

Yes, un milagro (a miracle) since smiling hasn't been coming too easy for me lately. I really needed to laugh. Thanks.

[Justus]

Live. Laugh. Love.

Right?

:) :) :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Live. Laugh. Love.

Right?

:) :) :)

Makes sense to me!:cheers:

[summer]

TRY TO REMEMBER

Try to remember the kind of September
When life was slow and oh, so mellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When grass was green and grain was yellow.
Try to remember the kind of September
When you were a tender and callow fellow.
Try to remember, and if you remember,
Then follow.

Try to remember when life was so tender
That no one wept except the willow.
Try to remember when life was so tender
That dreams were kept beside your pillow.
Try to remember when life was so tender
That love was an ember about to billow.
Try to remember, and if you remember,
Then follow.


Deep in December, it's nice to remember,
Although you know the snow will follow.
Deep in December, it's nice to remember,
Without a hurt the heart is hollow.
Deep in December, it's nice to remember,
The fire of September that made us mellow.
Deep in December, our hearts should remember
And follow.

--------------------------------------

Just felt like posting that.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

^ I like that song summer. Thanks for posting it.

[Ape]

Live. Laugh. Love.

Right?

:) :) :)
I had a friend write this in a little carebears autograph book I had in grade 3(I believe, or one) We were moving away so my brother and I both had these little books filled with colourful paper and the students signed them.

This is the first time I've seen anyone say that since then :)

[8701girl]

Aww thats so cute :wub:

[Moddie777]

I had another dream lastnight!!!! I could physically feel Michael through "her" touch!!! Hot Damn!!!! I finally TOUCHED MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!

okay, okay, lemme start with the dream:

The first thing I remember seeing is "her" walking through an almost darken street, she turns a corner and I can see she is not alone. To her left is a man. He is a midget or small person.
He is rambling on and on, she is walking fast trying to get where she is suppose to be. I can feel her anxiety, he makes her a little uncomfortable because he starts making passes at her . I notice her dress, it is white and made like dresses from the 1930's or 1940's, so are her shoes.

Then next thing I see is, it appears to be lighter outside. She is at a house with Michael. The house is filled with people and there is alot of activity going on outside. They are in an urban neighborhood and Michael does not have bodyguards around him. He is dressed in his Smooth Criminal outfit, complete with curls, brown skin and hat! I can see him very, very cleary. He is holding a little girl. She has on a very pretty and frilly dress with ruffles. Her hair is done in bows and barretts. She looks to be about 1 yrs old.

Outside of the house a crew of landscapers are there doing work. Guess what they are doing? They are putting in a White Polar bear, swimming water for the polar bear and men are sculpting this mega huge piece of ice that is a smaller version of a mountain for the polar bear to climb. This will be the polar bear's home. Michael is in charge of this project. He is walking around with the little girll in his arms, supervising the men.

I can see men outside with large fury jackets hats and working gloves. I also see a truck, cable, and chains. One cable was around the bottom of a tree. People from the neighborhood are coming outside to see. No one bothers Michael, he is allowed to work and oversee this massive task. It is clear he will be the one paying for this.

"She" is still in that white dress from the 30's or 40's I see her on the porch of the house with others and its then, that I notice, she and Michael are dressed the same. Their clothes matches! Her dress has the same stripes in it as his smooth criminal suit.

The family from this house seems familiar to "her" and Michael. I am not sure who they are but both "she" and Michael are very comfortable around these people.

On the porch where she is watching Michael walk up and down supervising the men's work with the little girl still in his arms, she stands besides 3 teenage looking boys. They are african american. All of their eyes are on the beuatiful site of the polar bear and the massive Ice thats being sculpted. They are so happy, they are smiling and looking at the activity.

I see the mother of the house, she too is on the porch, she sits at a computer mumbling something and trying to eat something from a bowl at the sametime. She appears to be slightly drunk, her words slur and her eyes are barely open.

A girl who appears to be a teenager walks up to Michael and the little girl. She is talking to him and I can tell she knows him. I immediately get the sense, the little girl is her daughter.
Michael continues ot hold the little girl as he works and supervises the crew.

The next thing I see is, Michael and "her" are inside the house with others. They are in a small room discussing things. Michael is standing up holding the little girl. There is a circle of them. There are 3 italian adult men who own's the company that doing all the landscaping outside of the house. One of them gives "her" his card. They are brothers and their mother works in their company too. She is in the circle standing there talking too. "She" looks down at the business card and notices how much these 3 italian brothers look so much alike. They are all very handsome with black shinny hair and the one who gave her the card had either blue or green eyes.

One of the 3 italian men became overcome with emotion when he acknowledged Michael for his song" Man in the mirror". The man had to put his face in his hands as he became choked up.

It was that moment while "she" was still standing in the circle looking at the business card that she saw these letters: ou ierie( These letters part of the name of the business as well as the 3 italian brothers lastname).

After that, I see "her" laying on her stomach on a bed chatting it up with the girl whose baby Micheal is holding. The girl is all smiles she is grinning from ear to ear. She is so happy, I can feel her happiness. Meantime as they are talking, "she" is looking up at Michael who remains in the circle talking with this italian family about the project that going on outside.
They recognize, Michael will be paying for this and its a gift to the black family in the house.

Michael has a serious look on his face. No smiles. His game face is on. He is involved in the task at hand but I sense concern from her as she looks at Michael and try to make eye contact with him but he is busy paying attention to the others as they talk around him.

And then it happens, within seconds as "she" is still laying on her stomach on what looks ot be a bed and chatting with the girl who is sitting upright, Michael bends down and gives the little girl to her momma and he heads for the door to go see how they are going outside and "she" reaches up her right hand from the bed and rubbed his left leg and knee, just as he bent it while walking. In other words, her gentle touch stopped him in his tracks. And I felt it, as the dreamer I could feel his body! I felt his leg upbove the knee and the knee. It is boney but his leg is thin but firm. His leg muscle felt kinda hard. 'her touch was very soft and loving.

When he looked down at her after feeling her touch, I saw the love in his eyes for her. I could see his entire face as if he was standing here right now! It wasn't like it was a dream at all. He looked so real and alive!

I heard her voice! she asked, "Are you okay". She had noticed he was slightly frowning and had a very serious look. But as the sound of her voice and feel of her touch, he almost immediately began to change the look on his face. He smiled at her without showing teeth.
He responded to her question by nodded his head about 3 times indicating the answer "yes". to her question.

For a few short seconds with one hand on the door knob, they are looking dreamily at eachother. No one elese in the room exists. She is smiling at him and she can see his eyes are saying " I love you". At that very second, I feel her wanting to kiss him so bad and then I pick up the same emotion from MJ he too wants to kiss her, but duty awaits and workers are outside and he needs to go supervise.

He is about to open the door and walk back outside. I don't see this but i wake up right when he is about to open the door.............



I'll come back later.

[8701girl]

I had another dream lastnight!!!! I could physically feel Michael through "her" touch!!! Hot Damn!!!! I finally TOUCHED MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!

okay, okay, lemme start with the dream:

The first thing I remember seeing is "her" walking through an almost darken street, she turns a corner and I can see she is not alone. To her left is a man. He is a midget or small person.
He is rambling on and on, she is walking fast trying to get where she is suppose to be. I can feel her anxiety, he makes her a little uncomfortable because he starts making passes at her . I notice her dress, it is white and made like dresses from the 1930's or 1940's, so are her shoes.

Then next thing I see is, it appears to be lighter outside. She is at a house with Michael. The house is filled with people and there is alot of activity going on outside. They are in an urban neighborhood and Michael does not have bodyguards around him. He is dressed in his Smooth Criminal outfit, complete with curls, brown skin and hat! I can see him very, very cleary. He is holding a little girl. She has on a very pretty and frilly dress with ruffles. Her hair is done in bows and barretts. She looks to be about 1 yrs old.

Outside of the house a crew of landscapers are there doing work. Guess what they are doing? They are putting in a White Polar bear, swimming water for the polar bear and men are sculpting this mega huge piece of ice that is a smaller version of a mountain for the polar bear to climb. This will be the polar bear's home. Michael is in charge of this project. He is walking around with the little girll in his arms, supervising the men.

I can see men outside with large fury jackets hats and working gloves. I also see a truck, cable, and chains. One cable was around the bottom of a tree. People from the neighborhood are coming outside to see. No one bothers Michael, he is allowed to work and oversee this massive task. It is clear he will be the one paying for this.

"She" is still in that white dress from the 30's or 40's I see her on the porch of the house with others and its then, that I notice, she and Michael are dressed the same. Their clothes matches! Her dress has the same stripes in it as his smooth criminal suit.

The family from this house seems familiar to "her" and Michael. I am not sure who they are but both "she" and Michael are very comfortable around these people.

On the porch where she is watching Michael walk up and down supervising the men's work with the little girl still in his arms, she stands besides 3 teenage looking boys. They are african american. All of their eyes are on the beuatiful site of the polar bear and the massive Ice thats being sculpted. They are so happy, they are smiling and looking at the activity.

I see the mother of the house, she too is on the porch, she sits at a computer mumbling something and trying to eat something from a bowl at the sametime. She appears to be slightly drunk, her words slur and her eyes are barely open.

A girl who appears to be a teenager walks up to Michael and the little girl. She is talking to him and I can tell she knows him. I immediately get the sense, the little girl is her daughter.
Michael continues ot hold the little girl as he works and supervises the crew.

The next thing I see is, Michael and "her" are inside the house with others. They are in a small room discussing things. Michael is standing up holding the little girl. There is a circle of them. There are 3 italian adult men who own's the company that doing all the landscaping outside of the house. One of them gives "her" his card. They are brothers and their mother works in their company too. She is in the circle standing there talking too. "She" looks down at the business card and notices how much these 3 italian brothers look so much alike. They are all very handsome with black shinny hair and the one who gave her the card had either blue or green eyes.

One of the 3 italian men became overcome with emotion when he acknowledged Michael for his song" Man in the mirror". The man had to put his face in his hands as he became choked up.

It was that moment while "she" was still standing in the circle looking at the business card that she saw these letters: ou ierie( These letters part of the name of the business as well as the 3 italian brothers lastname).

After that, I see "her" laying on her stomach on a bed chatting it up with the girl whose baby Micheal is holding. The girl is all smiles she is grinning from ear to ear. She is so happy, I can feel her happiness. Meantime as they are talking, "she" is looking up at Michael who remains in the circle talking with this italian family about the project that going on outside.
They recognize, Michael will be paying for this and its a gift to the black family in the house.

Michael has a serious look on his face. No smiles. His game face is on. He is involved in the task at hand but I sense concern from her as she looks at Michael and try to make eye contact with him but he is busy paying attention to the others as they talk around him.

And then it happens, within seconds as "she" is still laying on her stomach on what looks ot be a bed and chatting with the girl who is sitting upright, Michael bends down and gives the little girl to her momma and he heads for the door to go see how they are going outside and "she" reaches up her right hand from the bed and rubbed his left leg and knee, just as he bent it while walking. In other words, her gentle touch stopped him in his tracks. And I felt it, as the dreamer I could feel his body! I felt his leg upbove the knee and the knee. It is boney but his leg is thin but firm. His leg muscle felt kinda hard. 'her touch was very soft and loving.

When he looked down at her after feeling her touch, I saw the love in his eyes for her. I could see his entire face as if he was standing here right now! It wasn't like it was a dream at all. He looked so real and alive!

I heard her voice! she asked, "Are you okay". She had noticed he was slightly frowning and had a very serious look. But as the sound of her voice and feel of her touch, he almost immediately began to change the look on his face. He smiled at her without showing teeth.
He responded to her question by nodded his head about 3 times indicating the answer "yes". to her question.

For a few short seconds with one hand on the door knob, they are looking dreamily at eachother. No one elese in the room exists. She is smiling at him and she can see his eyes are saying " I love you". At that very second, I feel her wanting to kiss him so bad and then I pick up the same emotion from MJ he too wants to kiss her, but duty awaits and workers are outside and he needs to go supervise.

He is about to open the door and walk back outside. I don't see this but i wake up right when he is about to open the door.............



I'll come back later.

Im gettin the sense that michael was felt that work had to come first, as much as he properly felt at times he didnt want to and just wanted love to come in his life- but work always took over.

[Sdeidjs]

Always remember, Mr.Jackson truly knew how much his fans/admirers loved him...He truly did...adored each and every one of us.

We all mourn in our own way...and yes we all miss him...

Death IS a part of the circle of life and NO "human being" is invincible.

As "HIS" Army...

"Mr.Jackson would want us to "Come Together" and continue "HIS" legacy...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZzZactGQU


:angel: Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Dedicated to this thread...

Check It Out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuXEHm2o2go


:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[tha]

OMG!!!! :wild: This is the Brazilian way!!! :D:yes:

Thank you for risking a joke. You were very brave!
(It had to be Brazilian! Lol!) :doh:

I hope you will get from some or much smiles here. :D

Tha, it seems that his attempt was a success. You pulled a smile from someone... :wild:

Very good MP! :D


If everyone in the world had a little bit of Brazilian way, it would be more fun to live! :)

It worked! If I knew, would have told a joke before....and one more fun! :D


Yes, un milagro (a miracle) since smiling hasn't been coming too easy for me lately. I really needed to laugh. Thanks.

Own, Angel.....thank you for giving us the pleasure of "see" you smiling! :wub: :hug:

Smile
Though your heart is aching
Smile
Even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by

If you smile
With your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile
What's the use of crying?
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just

Smile
Though your heart is aching
Smile
Even though it's breakin'
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by

If you smile
Through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile

That's the time
You must keep on trying
Smile
What's the use of crying?
You'll find that life is still worth while
If you just smile

[TialovesMJ]

I had another dream lastnight!!!! I could physically feel Michael through "her" touch!!! Hot Damn!!!! I finally TOUCHED MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!

okay, okay, lemme start with the dream:

The first thing I remember seeing is "her" walking through an almost darken street, she turns a corner and I can see she is not alone. To her left is a man. He is a midget or small person.
He is rambling on and on, she is walking fast trying to get where she is suppose to be. I can feel her anxiety, he makes her a little uncomfortable because he starts making passes at her . I notice her dress, it is white and made like dresses from the 1930's or 1940's, so are her shoes.

Then next thing I see is, it appears to be lighter outside. She is at a house with Michael. The house is filled with people and there is alot of activity going on outside. They are in an urban neighborhood and Michael does not have bodyguards around him. He is dressed in his Smooth Criminal outfit, complete with curls, brown skin and hat! I can see him very, very cleary. He is holding a little girl. She has on a very pretty and frilly dress with ruffles. Her hair is done in bows and barretts. She looks to be about 1 yrs old.

Outside of the house a crew of landscapers are there doing work. Guess what they are doing? They are putting in a White Polar bear, swimming water for the polar bear and men are sculpting this mega huge piece of ice that is a smaller version of a mountain for the polar bear to climb. This will be the polar bear's home. Michael is in charge of this project. He is walking around with the little girll in his arms, supervising the men.

I can see men outside with large fury jackets hats and working gloves. I also see a truck, cable, and chains. One cable was around the bottom of a tree. People from the neighborhood are coming outside to see. No one bothers Michael, he is allowed to work and oversee this massive task. It is clear he will be the one paying for this.

"She" is still in that white dress from the 30's or 40's I see her on the porch of the house with others and its then, that I notice, she and Michael are dressed the same. Their clothes matches! Her dress has the same stripes in it as his smooth criminal suit.

The family from this house seems familiar to "her" and Michael. I am not sure who they are but both "she" and Michael are very comfortable around these people.

On the porch where she is watching Michael walk up and down supervising the men's work with the little girl still in his arms, she stands besides 3 teenage looking boys. They are african american. All of their eyes are on the beuatiful site of the polar bear and the massive Ice thats being sculpted. They are so happy, they are smiling and looking at the activity.

I see the mother of the house, she too is on the porch, she sits at a computer mumbling something and trying to eat something from a bowl at the sametime. She appears to be slightly drunk, her words slur and her eyes are barely open.

A girl who appears to be a teenager walks up to Michael and the little girl. She is talking to him and I can tell she knows him. I immediately get the sense, the little girl is her daughter.
Michael continues ot hold the little girl as he works and supervises the crew.

The next thing I see is, Michael and "her" are inside the house with others. They are in a small room discussing things. Michael is standing up holding the little girl. There is a circle of them. There are 3 italian adult men who own's the company that doing all the landscaping outside of the house. One of them gives "her" his card. They are brothers and their mother works in their company too. She is in the circle standing there talking too. "She" looks down at the business card and notices how much these 3 italian brothers look so much alike. They are all very handsome with black shinny hair and the one who gave her the card had either blue or green eyes.

One of the 3 italian men became overcome with emotion when he acknowledged Michael for his song" Man in the mirror". The man had to put his face in his hands as he became choked up.

It was that moment while "she" was still standing in the circle looking at the business card that she saw these letters: ou ierie( These letters part of the name of the business as well as the 3 italian brothers lastname).

After that, I see "her" laying on her stomach on a bed chatting it up with the girl whose baby Micheal is holding. The girl is all smiles she is grinning from ear to ear. She is so happy, I can feel her happiness. Meantime as they are talking, "she" is looking up at Michael who remains in the circle talking with this italian family about the project that going on outside.
They recognize, Michael will be paying for this and its a gift to the black family in the house.

Michael has a serious look on his face. No smiles. His game face is on. He is involved in the task at hand but I sense concern from her as she looks at Michael and try to make eye contact with him but he is busy paying attention to the others as they talk around him.

And then it happens, within seconds as "she" is still laying on her stomach on what looks ot be a bed and chatting with the girl who is sitting upright, Michael bends down and gives the little girl to her momma and he heads for the door to go see how they are going outside and "she" reaches up her right hand from the bed and rubbed his left leg and knee, just as he bent it while walking. In other words, her gentle touch stopped him in his tracks. And I felt it, as the dreamer I could feel his body! I felt his leg upbove the knee and the knee. It is boney but his leg is thin but firm. His leg muscle felt kinda hard. 'her touch was very soft and loving.

When he looked down at her after feeling her touch, I saw the love in his eyes for her. I could see his entire face as if he was standing here right now! It wasn't like it was a dream at all. He looked so real and alive!

I heard her voice! she asked, "Are you okay". She had noticed he was slightly frowning and had a very serious look. But as the sound of her voice and feel of her touch, he almost immediately began to change the look on his face. He smiled at her without showing teeth.
He responded to her question by nodded his head about 3 times indicating the answer "yes". to her question.

For a few short seconds with one hand on the door knob, they are looking dreamily at eachother. No one elese in the room exists. She is smiling at him and she can see his eyes are saying " I love you". At that very second, I feel her wanting to kiss him so bad and then I pick up the same emotion from MJ he too wants to kiss her, but duty awaits and workers are outside and he needs to go supervise.

He is about to open the door and walk back outside. I don't see this but i wake up right when he is about to open the door.............



I'll come back later.


I agree with what 8701girl said, that MJ felt work should come first but he knew that he wanted love in his life.

[tha]

Dedicated to this thread...

Check It Out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuXEHm2o2go


:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Perfect! :clapping: I love this song!!! It's my cell's ring!!! Someday I'll have an attack because of the wonderful voice of this man! Mike rocks! :yes:

"Baby, everytime I love you. In and out my life, in and out baby. Show me if you really love me. It's in and out my life, in and out baby. So baby, love never felt so good!"

[mysterygirl7]

I had another dream lastnight!!!! I could physically feel Michael through "her" touch!!! Hot Damn!!!! I finally TOUCHED MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!

okay, okay, lemme start with the dream:

The first thing I remember seeing is "her" walking through an almost darken street, she turns a corner and I can see she is not alone. To her left is a man. He is a midget or small person.
He is rambling on and on, she is walking fast trying to get where she is suppose to be. I can feel her anxiety, he makes her a little uncomfortable because he starts making passes at her . I notice her dress, it is white and made like dresses from the 1930's or 1940's, so are her shoes.

Then next thing I see is, it appears to be lighter outside. She is at a house with Michael. The house is filled with people and there is alot of activity going on outside. They are in an urban neighborhood and Michael does not have bodyguards around him. He is dressed in his Smooth Criminal outfit, complete with curls, brown skin and hat! I can see him very, very cleary. He is holding a little girl. She has on a very pretty and frilly dress with ruffles. Her hair is done in bows and barretts. She looks to be about 1 yrs old.

Outside of the house a crew of landscapers are there doing work. Guess what they are doing? They are putting in a White Polar bear, swimming water for the polar bear and men are sculpting this mega huge piece of ice that is a smaller version of a mountain for the polar bear to climb. This will be the polar bear's home. Michael is in charge of this project. He is walking around with the little girll in his arms, supervising the men.

I can see men outside with large fury jackets hats and working gloves. I also see a truck, cable, and chains. One cable was around the bottom of a tree. People from the neighborhood are coming outside to see. No one bothers Michael, he is allowed to work and oversee this massive task. It is clear he will be the one paying for this.

"She" is still in that white dress from the 30's or 40's I see her on the porch of the house with others and its then, that I notice, she and Michael are dressed the same. Their clothes matches! Her dress has the same stripes in it as his smooth criminal suit.

The family from this house seems familiar to "her" and Michael. I am not sure who they are but both "she" and Michael are very comfortable around these people.

On the porch where she is watching Michael walk up and down supervising the men's work with the little girl still in his arms, she stands besides 3 teenage looking boys. They are african american. All of their eyes are on the beuatiful site of the polar bear and the massive Ice thats being sculpted. They are so happy, they are smiling and looking at the activity.

I see the mother of the house, she too is on the porch, she sits at a computer mumbling something and trying to eat something from a bowl at the sametime. She appears to be slightly drunk, her words slur and her eyes are barely open.

A girl who appears to be a teenager walks up to Michael and the little girl. She is talking to him and I can tell she knows him. I immediately get the sense, the little girl is her daughter.
Michael continues ot hold the little girl as he works and supervises the crew.

The next thing I see is, Michael and "her" are inside the house with others. They are in a small room discussing things. Michael is standing up holding the little girl. There is a circle of them. There are 3 italian adult men who own's the company that doing all the landscaping outside of the house. One of them gives "her" his card. They are brothers and their mother works in their company too. She is in the circle standing there talking too. "She" looks down at the business card and notices how much these 3 italian brothers look so much alike. They are all very handsome with black shinny hair and the one who gave her the card had either blue or green eyes.

One of the 3 italian men became overcome with emotion when he acknowledged Michael for his song" Man in the mirror". The man had to put his face in his hands as he became choked up.

It was that moment while "she" was still standing in the circle looking at the business card that she saw these letters: ou ierie( These letters part of the name of the business as well as the 3 italian brothers lastname).

After that, I see "her" laying on her stomach on a bed chatting it up with the girl whose baby Micheal is holding. The girl is all smiles she is grinning from ear to ear. She is so happy, I can feel her happiness. Meantime as they are talking, "she" is looking up at Michael who remains in the circle talking with this italian family about the project that going on outside.
They recognize, Michael will be paying for this and its a gift to the black family in the house.

Michael has a serious look on his face. No smiles. His game face is on. He is involved in the task at hand but I sense concern from her as she looks at Michael and try to make eye contact with him but he is busy paying attention to the others as they talk around him.

And then it happens, within seconds as "she" is still laying on her stomach on what looks ot be a bed and chatting with the girl who is sitting upright, Michael bends down and gives the little girl to her momma and he heads for the door to go see how they are going outside and "she" reaches up her right hand from the bed and rubbed his left leg and knee, just as he bent it while walking. In other words, her gentle touch stopped him in his tracks. And I felt it, as the dreamer I could feel his body! I felt his leg upbove the knee and the knee. It is boney but his leg is thin but firm. His leg muscle felt kinda hard. 'her touch was very soft and loving.

When he looked down at her after feeling her touch, I saw the love in his eyes for her. I could see his entire face as if he was standing here right now! It wasn't like it was a dream at all. He looked so real and alive!

I heard her voice! she asked, "Are you okay". She had noticed he was slightly frowning and had a very serious look. But as the sound of her voice and feel of her touch, he almost immediately began to change the look on his face. He smiled at her without showing teeth.
He responded to her question by nodded his head about 3 times indicating the answer "yes". to her question.

For a few short seconds with one hand on the door knob, they are looking dreamily at eachother. No one elese in the room exists. She is smiling at him and she can see his eyes are saying " I love you". At that very second, I feel her wanting to kiss him so bad and then I pick up the same emotion from MJ he too wants to kiss her, but duty awaits and workers are outside and he needs to go supervise.

He is about to open the door and walk back outside. I don't see this but i wake up right when he is about to open the door.............



I'll come back later.

Very interesting.. hope there's more to come..

[Sdeidjs]

"Notice how MJ likes the way that his friend is holding him, loving him, touching him, and kissing him as he says in “The Way You Love Me,” and that it doesn’t matter to him how she’s doing it."

This is interesting (well lots was but since I am in bed almost asleep I thought one thing to point out will be enough). See how he says he likes the way that she does these things, yet it doesn't matter how she is doing them. It SOUNDS like a contradiction, but it isn't is it? I would like to hear your interpretation of that.

Here's A Good One...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc8gJ7VcrnA

To Romance...:cheers:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ashtanga]

Yes, un milagro (a miracle) since smiling hasn't been coming too easy for me lately. I really needed to laugh. Thanks.

I was so happy and very proud of you. I hope you have as many smiles. Keep up the smiles on your face. :)



*Moddie, his dream was amazing, interesting and mysterious, but also a little confused. I hope you come back later, perhaps you have anything else to add. :D

[SoS]

Summer, if and when you ever feel up to it, I'd love to hear where you were (sorry if I missed it) when Michael saw the banner. It is wonderful that you had the chance to let him know the girl with the banner was still there for him - you answered his question 'will you be there' with a YES when it was all said and done - it could be good to help all of us to have a lively memory to focus on.

You guys are doing pretty good actually though, you've got jokes! :giggle:

:brow: have y'all ever wondered whether ... well ...please, I don't want to get off onto a tangent off topic, its just a quick random thought I had, I mean as long as we're dreaming, wouldn't it be nice if the truth turns out to be that there are so very many "holes" in all the seemingly "official reportings" that we've got and all the things we've witnessed and wondered about, that there are some obvious points people can't see due to only seeing what we're shown, not even the average fan, and it turns out that this was all a ruse to make a point about the power of the press ... ok so it was a random thought but I mean, if anyone could do something like that, or would have reason to ...

*leaves to go to work while contemplating the wisdom of posting this random thought*

[tha]

Summer, if and when you ever feel up to it, I'd love to hear where you were (sorry if I missed it) when Michael saw the banner. It is wonderful that you had the chance to let him know the girl with the banner was still there for him - you answered his question 'will you be there' with a YES when it was all said and done - it could be good to help all of us to have a lively memory to focus on.

You guys are doing pretty good actually though, you've got jokes! :giggle:

:brow: have y'all ever wondered whether ... well ...please, I don't want to get off onto a tangent off topic, its just a quick random thought I had, I mean as long as we're dreaming, wouldn't it be nice if the truth turns out to be that there are so very many "holes" in all the seemingly "official reportings" that we've got and all the things we've witnessed and wondered about, that there are some obvious points people can't see due to only seeing what we're shown, not even the average fan, and it turns out that this was all a ruse to make a point about the power of the press ... ok so it was a random thought but I mean, if anyone could do something like that, or would have reason to ...

*leaves to go to work while contemplating the wisdom of posting this random thought*


I liked your point of view and would like to share mine too...
Since June 25, stranger things have happened, things unexplained, groundless. Many questions and no answers. I think the movie "This Is It" will help us to understand many things! I'm sure it will be "revealing"! :scratch:

[Lily]

Yes I have wondered that SoS. :mello:


Victoria, thank you for that wonderful post. My book "The Four Agreements" has a chapter about the power of words, this very much reminded me of it. :)


Moddie your dream is interesting and I have alot of thoughts when I read it but I'll just give a few and some meanings to some of the things you've dreamt.....

For some reason her in the white dress from the 30's or 40's reminds me of the movie "Under the Tuscan Sun", I'm not sure who here has seen it but there's a white dress story and a lady bug story and some others in it that you'll have to see the whole movie to understand, it has alot to do with signs. :) Pretty cool.

Interesting how you say it went from dark to light, that reminds me of Justus' comment about "yes he found love in the dark... but also in the light".....

Houses: represent your own soul and self.

Polar Bears: signify a reawakening.

Water: To see water in your dream, symbolizes your unconscious and your emotional state of mind. Water is the living essence of the psyche and the flow of life energy. It is also symbolic of spirituality, knowledge, healing and refreshment.

Sculpting/Sculpture: means refusal to accept things as they really are.

The number "3" which seems to come up alot :huh: that's ok it happens to me too:lol::
The spiritual meaning of the number three deals with magic, intuition, fedundity and advantage. The number three invokes expression, versatility, and pure joy or creativity. Three is also a time identifier as it represents Past, Present and Future.....there's more but you can pretty much get the meaning from this.

Circles: mean perfection, completeness, immortality and/or wholeness.

ou ierie: ? this is not Italian, sounds French to me. hmmmmm

"Man in the Mirror": I wonder why that song? hmmmmm

Touching: To dream that you are touching someone or something, indicates that you are trying to communicate your feelings and your need for contact.

Another thing Justus posted that happens to be about "touch" and I thought of it when reading the dream: (Sorry Justus for dragging you into my post :blush: LOL).....

Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


The parts where you say "I saw the love in his eyes for her" and "his eyes are saying "I love you" are beautiful: remember the eyes are the window to the soul.

These are all definitions from the online dream dictionary. The one I have at home may have differing definitions, but I think the dream speaks for itself, especially if feelings and emotions came through to you in your asleep state. That's really powerful stuff. :) I know I've had that happen and I wake up like whoa was I really dreaming? :wtf: I'll try to marinate on an analysis but right now my mind is just so cluttered. :swoon: :lol:

[Ashtanga]

I liked your point of view and would like to share mine too...
Since June 25, stranger things have happened, things unexplained, groundless. Many questions and no answers. I think the movie "This Is It" will help us to understand many things! I'm sure it will be "revealing"! :scratch:
:smilerolleyes:

Yep.... :wild:

[summer]

Summer, if and when you ever feel up to it, I'd love to hear where you were (sorry if I missed it) when Michael saw the banner. It is wonderful that you had the chance to let him know the girl with the banner was still there for him - you answered his question 'will you be there' with a YES when it was all said and done - it could be good to help all of us to have a lively memory to focus on.

You guys are doing pretty good actually though, you've got jokes! :giggle:

:brow: have y'all ever wondered whether ... well ...please, I don't want to get off onto a tangent off topic, its just a quick random thought I had, I mean as long as we're dreaming, wouldn't it be nice if the truth turns out to be that there are so very many "holes" in all the seemingly "official reportings" that we've got and all the things we've witnessed and wondered about, that there are some obvious points people can't see due to only seeing what we're shown, not even the average fan, and it turns out that this was all a ruse to make a point about the power of the press ... ok so it was a random thought but I mean, if anyone could do something like that, or would have reason to ...

*leaves to go to work while contemplating the wisdom of posting this random thought*

First, I was in the audience at the press conference at the O2...in the front (maybe 5th-6th "row"), a bit to Michael's left. I showed the KING OF MUSIC side of the banner twice first. Right when he came on stage and then in the beginning when he goes "uhm..." and then looks down to his feet and then looks up and to his left before he goes "thank you all"...I was waving the banner then. And then after he said "I'll see you in July"....and then he goes "and"....and kind of stops and looks to his left...I waved the "We love you FOR ALL TIME" side of the banner a little after the "and". So that was the first time, and then the second and third time were at the hotel. He was at the window after teh press conference and looking down and I kept pointing at myself, my heart (or sometimes the heart on the banner) and then pointed at him and then pointed at the "FOR ALL TIME". :D (You know, to say "I....love...you...FOR ALL TIME!" :wub:) And the final time when he DEFINATELY saw the "king of music" side of the banner was on March 6th, before he left the hotel to go see Oliver. I was waiting outside with all the fans behind the barriers. And then MJ came out and I waved at him and he walked straight to where I was standing, stopped for a few seconds and then went to greet the other fans. :wub::wub::wub: Not saying he walked straight to where I was because of me (even though, I had gestured "come here...PLEASE!!" :praying the day before at the hotel when he was at the window! :scratch::D :lol:), I'm just saying he definately saw the banner, because he was right in front of me and it was a huge banner and I was holding it in front of me. So it was right in front of MJ. No way he could have missed it. :lol: (And now afterwards I'm like WHY didn't I turn the banner around to the "we love you for all time" side when he was right in front of me!! :doh::doh::doh: I was too shy to say anything, I just smiled and grinned like an idiot...but if I would have turned the banner around I could have said what I thought without speaking! I'm so stupid, argh!! :doh::doh::doh:)


And about the second part in your post....I keep praying there could be some kind of way it was not true. That he had his reasons to disappear and it was all faked and he is still alive. :cry: I can't figure out a way how that could be possible...but I keep praying for God to figure it out. :praying

[Ashtanga]

First, I was in the audience at the press conference at the O2...in the front (maybe 5th-6th "row"), a bit to Michael's left. I showed the KING OF MUSIC side of the banner twice first. Right when he came on stage and then in the beginning when he goes "uhm..." and then looks down to his feet and then looks up and to his left before he goes "thank you all"...I was waving the banner then. And then after he said "I'll see you in July"....and then he goes "and"....and kind of stops and looks to his left...I waved the "We love you FOR ALL TIME" side of the banner a little after the "and". So that was the first time, and then the second and third time were at the hotel. He was at the window after teh press conference and looking down and I kept pointing at myself, my heart (or sometimes the heart on the banner) and then pointed at him and then pointed at the "FOR ALL TIME". :D (You know, to say "I....love...you...FOR ALL TIME!" :wub:) And the final time when he DEFINATELY saw the "king of music" side of the banner was on March 6th, before he left the hotel to go see Oliver. I was waiting outside with all the fans behind the barriers. And then MJ came out and I waved at him and he walked straight to where I was standing, stopped for a few seconds and then went to greet the other fans. :wub::wub::wub: Not saying he walked straight to where I was because of me (even though, I had gestured "come here...PLEASE!!" :praying the day before at the hotel when he was at the window! :scratch::D :lol:), I'm just saying he definately saw the banner, because he was right in front of me and it was a huge banner and I was holding it in front of me. So it was right in front of MJ. No way he could have missed it. :lol: (And now afterwards I'm like WHY didn't I turn the banner around to the "we love you for all time" side when he was right in front of me!! :doh::doh::doh: I was too shy to say anything, I just smiled and grinned like an idiot...but if I would have turned the banner around I could have said what I thought without speaking! I'm so stupid, argh!! :doh::doh::doh:)

:wild:

Summer, it was so incredible. I remember the day of the conference I followed all live on the internet. I also was thrilled the day that Michael was watching "Oliver". I felt very good energy and an intense love of all those fans. I was not there, but I felt the emotion and love for each fan. It was amazing. I'm sure you will never forget that moment. :wub:





I keep praying there could be some kind of way it was not true. That he had his reasons to disappear and it was all faked and he is still alive.

I think that if he faked his own death was not only to rest. He had his reasons and this reasons would not be small. He knows what he does, how does and has everything under control. If he faked death, we should not try to understand it, just respect him and if he is alive and one day he want (and can) back, we'll welcome him, with no trial, no revolt, with heart and arms wide open! ;)
Yes...

[Lily]

Michaels energy in person is intense and magical, something I will never forget. I've never felt anything like it in my life.....

[tha]

And about the second part in your post....I keep praying there could be some kind of way it was not true. That he had his reasons to disappear and it was all faked and he is still alive. :cry: I can't figure out a way how that could be possible...but I keep praying for God to figure it out. :praying

I think that if he faked his own death was not only to rest. He had his reasons and this reasons would not be small. He knows what he does, how does and has everything under control. If he faked death, we should not try to understand it, just respect him and if he is alive and one day he want (and can) back, we'll welcome him, with no trial, no revolt, with heart and arms wide open! ;)

[8701girl]

:wild:

Summer, it was so incredible. I remember the day of the conference I followed all live on the internet. I also was thrilled the day that Michael was watching "Oliver". I felt very good energy and an intense love of all those fans. I was not there, but I felt the emotion and love for each fan. It was amazing. I'm sure you will never forget that moment. :wub:


Yeh that day of the conference i'll never forget it.

[Ashtanga]

Yeh that day of the conference i'll never forget it.
:wild:

Awwwwwww I don't believe! Were you there? Hey, you're at all! How can it? lol!
Now I'm dying of envy (good) of you. lol! :D I also wanted to have been there. There needed to be near Michael. For me it was enough to know he was there.

You are a very lucky person. :yes:

[8701girl]

:wild:

Awwwwwww I don't believe! Were you there? Hey, you're at all! How can it? lol!
Now I'm dying of envy (good) of you. lol! :D I also wanted to have been there. There needed to be near Michael. For me it was enough to know he was there.

You are a very lucky person. :yes:


I thought u meant the one at march

I watched it on tv,but still its unforgetable

[Ashtanga]

I thought u meant the one at march

I watched it on tv,but still its unforgetable

I thought you were there. lol! I've watched the internet, because I was at work. I felt like I was there. My heart was fired with excitement. lol! I was very thrilled to see Michael... even so far.:wub:

[8701girl]

Yes seeing all the fans there so happy made cry happy tears inside....but now its all sad tears im crying :(

How could things change so quickly :no:

[tha]

:wild:

Awwwwwww I don't believe! Were you there? Hey, you're at all! How can it? lol!
Now I'm dying of envy (good) of you. lol! :D I also wanted to have been there. There needed to be near Michael. For me it was enough to know he was there.

You are a very lucky person. :yes:


I would love to have seen the conference
personally too! I would love to be close to Michael, even if only for a moment ..... :(

[8701girl]

Aww :hug: tha

[Ashtanga]

I would love to have seen the conference
personally too! I would love to be close to Michael, even if only for a moment ..... :(
No matter the distance, it means nothing. :)

What matters is that each of us have Michael in our hearts and in our lifes. He knows the size of our love for him. He knows that love is eternal, sincere and unconditional. Our love for him is infinite. You should be happy, because Michael feels the love of every one of us for it. :wub:

[tha]

How could things change so quickly :no:

I don't know.... "Life can be crazy, love can be cruel"


Aww :hug: tha

Thanks, honey! You're so adorable!!! :)

I think I'll need to tell another joke cause we are getting depressed again.......

[8701girl]

No matter the distance, it means nothing. :)

What matters is that each of us have Michael in our hearts and in our lifes. He knows the size of our love for him. He knows that love is eternal, sincere and unconditional. Our love for him is infinite. You should be happy, because Michael feels the love of every one of us for it. :wub:


You are so right ash :yes:

[8701girl]

Thanks, honey! You're so adorable!!! :)


Thanx :blush:

[tha]

No matter the distance, it means nothing. :)

What matters is that each of us have Michael in our hearts and in our lifes. He knows the size of our love for him. He knows that love is eternal, sincere and unconditional. Our love for him is infinite. You should be happy, because Michael feels the love of every one of us for it. :wub:

Yeah, you're right, honey!

Love u!!! :wub:

[Lainy]

Hey! I "see" sad faces here?
I don't believe!

Someone that makes us well:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2830/78480738medium.png :wub:

You Rock my world!!! Thinking of you!!! my angel!!! :wub:

[8701girl]

Yes mike sure made me smile :D

[Lainy]

No matter the distance, it means nothing. :)

What matters is that each of us have Michael in our hearts and in our lifes. He knows the size of our love for him. He knows that love is eternal, sincere and unconditional. Our love for him is infinite. You should be happy, because Michael feels the love of every one of us for it. :wub:

:clapping: ownnnn!!! so cute!!! :wub:

[tha]

Hey! I "see" sad faces here?
I don't believe!

Someone that makes us well:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2830/78480738medium.png :wub:

You Rock my world!!! Thinking of you!!! my angel!!! :wub:

Luuuullyyyyyyy! :D

I know this picture! Give me...It's mine! LOL

[Ashtanga]

I think I'll need to tell another joke cause we are getting depressed again.......

Another joke? Oh God... The Brazilians are terrible. lol! :wild:



You are so right ash :yes:

Thanks! You're so sweet! :D




Hey! I "see" sad faces here?
I don't believe!

Someone that makes us well:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2830/78480738medium.png :wub:

You Rock my world!!! Thinking of you!!! my angel!!! :wub:
You were sooooooo cruel now with my heart. lol! :wild: I love this picture. I love that look of Michael. I love their eyes. They are so pure and sincere. :wub:

Lie, I love all the Michael and every bit of it! :wild:

[8701girl]

AWW me me me!!!! i want the pic too!!! *puts hands up*

[Lainy]

Yes mike sure made me smile :D
Yes... ;)

He doesn't want us sad!:D

[8701girl]

^very true

[tha]

If you want a joke scream: "Miiiiiiiiikeeeeeee" - LOL

[8701girl]

Miikkkkkeeee!!

[Lainy]

Luuuullyyyyyyy! :D
I know this picture! Give me...It's mine! LOL

:D


Another joke? Oh God... The Brazilians are terrible. lol! :wild:
You were sooooooo cruel now with my heart. lol! :wild: I love this picture. I love that look of Michael. I love their eyes. They are so pure and sincere. :wub:
Lie, I love all the Michael and every bit of it! :wild:

Oh yes!!!!! I agree!! :wild: so cute!!! :wub:


AWW me me me!!!! i want the pic too!!! *puts hands up*

:D

[8701girl]

Hey maybe we can share the pic.....;)

[Ashtanga]

I'll scream out loud. :wild: I'll tell you how much I love and how much I still love him: more, more and more! :wub:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2182/001llf.jpg




http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/293/fmichaeljackm94c1acb.jpg


:wub:

[8701girl]

^ i ditto that ash!

[tha]

Miikkkkkeeee!!

^_^


I'll scream out loud. :wild: I'll tell you how much I love and how much I still love him: more, more and more! :wub:

See... you really want a joke! LOL

[Lainy]

Hey maybe we can share the pic.....;)

Of course!!!! anytime!! ;)


I'll scream out loud. :wild: I'll tell you how much I love and how much I still love him: more, more and more! :wub:

Hey ash, I also want to screeeeeeeeeeeeeeam !!!!! :wild:

[8701girl]

Yes we want a joke! *jumps excitely up & down*

[8701girl]

of course!!!! Anytime!! ;)

yay yippy!!

[tha]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D

One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg

[Lainy]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D

:clapping: hahah I laugh a lot now! :D




One of my favorite pictures...
:wub: Thanks!!!:hug:

ok! I think I'll venture a fool! rsrsr

In the doctor ...
- Oh sir, I, when I raise my right leg, I feel nothing ... I raise my left leg, I feel nothing ... If raise the two, I fall! Is it serious?

[Ashtanga]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D
OMG! :doh: It had to be Brazilian. lol! :D







One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg


There is nothing to say about this picture. I love that look fatal. :wub:

[tha]

OMG! :doh: It had to be Brazilian. lol! :D

:doh:




There is nothing to say about this picture. I love that look fatal. :wub:

His look of makes me lose the senseless!

[TialovesMJ]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D

One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg


Thats such a nice pic. Of MJ :)

[Ape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hQMPclXx_Q&feature=fvw

[8701girl]

One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg


Mikes eyes look as if they are trying to tell a story

[SoS]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D

One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg
:lol: :lmao: :giggle: thanks I needed that!!

yes that is a very nice pic of MJ - where did you find that? :)

Thanks for the chuckes btw :flowers:

:giggle:

[SoS]

First, I was in the audience at the press conference at the O2...in the front (maybe 5th-6th "row"), a bit to Michael's left. I showed the KING OF MUSIC side of the banner twice first. Right when he came on stage and then in the beginning when he goes "uhm..." and then looks down to his feet and then looks up and to his left before he goes "thank you all"...I was waving the banner then. And then after he said "I'll see you in July"....and then he goes "and"....and kind of stops and looks to his left...I waved the "We love you FOR ALL TIME" side of the banner a little after the "and". So that was the first time, and then the second and third time were at the hotel. He was at the window after teh press conference and looking down and I kept pointing at myself, my heart (or sometimes the heart on the banner) and then pointed at him and then pointed at the "FOR ALL TIME". :D (You know, to say "I....love...you...FOR ALL TIME!" :wub:) And the final time when he DEFINATELY saw the "king of music" side of the banner was on March 6th, before he left the hotel to go see Oliver. I was waiting outside with all the fans behind the barriers. And then MJ came out and I waved at him and he walked straight to where I was standing, stopped for a few seconds and then went to greet the other fans. :wub::wub::wub: Not saying he walked straight to where I was because of me (even though, I had gestured "come here...PLEASE!!" :praying the day before at the hotel when he was at the window! :scratch::D :lol:), I'm just saying he definately saw the banner, because he was right in front of me and it was a huge banner and I was holding it in front of me. So it was right in front of MJ. No way he could have missed it. :lol: (And now afterwards I'm like WHY didn't I turn the banner around to the "we love you for all time" side when he was right in front of me!! :doh::doh::doh: I was too shy to say anything, I just smiled and grinned like an idiot...but if I would have turned the banner around I could have said what I thought without speaking! I'm so stupid, argh!! :doh::doh::doh:)


And about the second part in your post....I keep praying there could be some kind of way it was not true. That he had his reasons to disappear and it was all faked and he is still alive. :cry: I can't figure out a way how that could be possible...but I keep praying for God to figure it out. :prayingoh cool! you were at the PC! :cheers: That is for congratulations for you!

Thanks so much for sharing that, and no, what you did wasn't stupid ... you were focused on MJ and not the banner! :lol: I for one, can certainly understand that! :yes:

[mysterygirl7]

Is it me or did a lot of posts go missing here....?

[8701girl]

A man was unconscious in a hospital for some time. His wife was with him day and night. One day he wakes up, makes a sign for the woman to come close and whispers to her:
- During all these years you've been by my side. When I graduated, you was there with me.When my business failed, you just stayed there and supported me. When I lost the house, you was close to me. And since I was with all these health problems, you never left me. You know what?
The woman's eyes filled with tears:
- Say, my love ...
- I think you give me bad luck!

:D

One of my favorite pictures
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5070/myangelmichaelmedium.jpg


:lol: :lol: that was a totally funny joke!

[summer]

What happened to this thread? Where did some of the posts go? The jokes were left but the nice posts are gone Huh? :huh: :scratch: I wanted to reply but the posts are gone. :huh: Anyways, I just wanted to say to what Justus posted that I agree, we need to do whatever we can to try to make this world a better place and to help people the best we can. But at the same time I don't think we need to stop our "love and devotion" to Michael. I think one can do both. Still be an MJ fan and do the "fan thing", but also do what one can to help the world. We can "multitask", can't we? :D :lol: I'm still doing my part (in both areas...the fan part and the "heal the world" part...I always have...so why stop now?). And the beautiful part in it all is that I am reminded of Michael every single day at work at the hospital. When I see the children smile, I can't help but to think about Michael and how much he would have loved seeing all the kids smile. I've said it before, but I'll say it again....I think Michael's spirit will live on in children's smiles. I really do. :yes:

By the way, I had a dream with MJ in it a couple of nights ago. :) It was SO NICE. :wub: I think it was the first one after his passing where I actually "saw" him and was able to touch him. I've had a couple of MJ related ones lately (where he was mentioned but I did not see him) but I just can NOT remember what they were about...can't remember a thing. I hate it. I wake up and remember it was MJ related, and go "I need to remember everything!!" and by the time I'm in the bathroom taking a shower and brushing my teeth it's all gone and I can't remember a thing! :( It's so frustrating! But I remember this last one I had with MJ in it. :) Not all of it...only one part...I guess I remember it because I felt so good and so happy and so comforted, that it got burnt into my mind and memory. :lol: Anyways, what happened was that I got to hug MJ in my dream. :wub: I can not remember a THING about what the dream was about and why MJ was there and why I was close enough to hug him (I just remember it was not a fan type of meeting, I was somehow friends with him in the dream). Anyways I only remember that we hugged and it felt so good and I kept thinking "Gosh, he gives the best hugs!" because the hug was like a real "bear hug", which are the best ones. Like, he hugged me tightly an dheld me for such a long time. Aaawww! :wub: And I remember I was thinking "Ah, I really needed a hug...how did he know?!! He's so sweet!" in the dream. Anyways, that's all I can remember of the dream. It was not much, but it was enough to make me smile. :) And no I don't think there was any kind of meaning behind it. I think I most likely really needed a hug and since I still think about MJ every day and miss him SO MUCH, he was probably the one I most would have wanted a hug from, so the dream probably came from that. :scratch: Anyways, just wanted to share. :)

[tha]

What happened to this thread? Where did some of the posts go? The jokes were left but the nice posts are gone Huh? :huh: :scratch: I wanted to reply but the posts are gone. :huh: Anyways, I just wanted to say to what Justus posted that I agree, we need to do whatever we can to try to make this world a better place and to help people the best we can. But at the same time I don't think we need to stop our "love and devotion" to Michael. I think one can do both. Still be an MJ fan and do the "fan thing", but also do what one can to help the world. We can "multitask", can't we? :D :lol: I'm still doing my part (in both areas...the fan part and the "heal the world" part...I always have...so why stop now?). And the beautiful part in it all is that I am reminded of Michael every single day at work at the hospital. When I see the children smile, I can't help but to think about Michael and how much he would have loved seeing all the kids smile. I've said it before, but I'll say it again....I think Michael's spirit will live on in children's smiles. I really do. :yes:

By the way, I had a dream with MJ in it a couple of nights ago. :) It was SO NICE. :wub: I think it was the first one after his passing where I actually "saw" him and was able to touch him. I've had a couple of MJ related ones lately (where he was mentioned but I did not see him) but I just can NOT remember what they were about...can't remember a thing. I hate it. I wake up and remember it was MJ related, and go "I need to remember everything!!" and by the time I'm in the bathroom taking a shower and brushing my teeth it's all gone and I can't remember a thing! :( It's so frustrating! But I remember this last one I had with MJ in it. :) Not all of it...only one part...I guess I remember it because I felt so good and so happy and so comforted, that it got burnt into my mind and memory. :lol: Anyways, what happened was that I got to hug MJ in my dream. :wub: I can not remember a THING about what the dream was about and why MJ was there and why I was close enough to hug him (I just remember it was not a fan type of meeting, I was somehow friends with him in the dream). Anyways I only remember that we hugged and it felt so good and I kept thinking "Gosh, he gives the best hugs!" because the hug was like a real "bear hug", which are the best ones. Like, he hugged me tightly an dheld me for such a long time. Aaawww! :wub: And I remember I was thinking "Ah, I really needed a hug...how did he know?!! He's so sweet!" in the dream. Anyways, that's all I can remember of the dream. It was not much, but it was enough to make me smile. :) And no I don't think there was any kind of meaning behind it. I think I most likely really needed a hug and since I still think about MJ every day and miss him SO MUCH, he was probably the one I most would have wanted a hug from, so the dream probably came from that. :scratch: Anyways, just wanted to share. :)

Some of my PMs are gone too! What a mess! o_O
Oh...receive a hug from Michael .... I have dreamed so much about it! It doesn't need to mean nothing even don't need explanation! A hug is a hug and is not be defined. It is an act of affection, love, compassion that speaks beyond words!
Thanks for sharing, "Summer"! :)

[Ashtanga]

Oh my God! My posts are gone! Some of my PM's are gone! That was just me or happened to everyone? I'm so sad... :(


*Summer thanks for sharing your dream and your beautiful and sweet words. :)

[tha]

Oh my God! My posts are gone! Some of my PM's are gone! That was just me or happened to everyone? I'm so sad... :(


*Summer thanks for sharing your dream and your beautiful and sweet words. :)

It happened to me too! I have lost many PMs, many posts are gone ..... :(

[Sdeidjs]

What happened to this thread? Where did some of the posts go? The jokes were left but the nice posts are gone Huh? :huh: :scratch: I wanted to reply but the posts are gone. :huh: Anyways, I just wanted to say to what Justus posted that I agree,
we need to do whatever we can to try to make this world a better place and to help people the best we can. But at the same time I don't think we need to stop our "love and devotion" to Michael. I think one can do both. Still be an MJ fan and do the "fan thing", but also do what one can to help the world. We can "multitask", can't we? :D :lol: I'm still doing my part (in both areas...the fan part and the "heal the world" part...I always have...so why stop now?). And
the beautiful part in it all is that I am reminded of Michael every single day at work at the hospital. When I see the children smile, I can't help but to think about Michael and how much he would have loved seeing all the kids smile. I've said it before, but I'll say it again....I think Michael's spirit will live on in children's smiles. I really do. :yes:

By the way, I had a dream with MJ in it a couple of nights ago. :) It was SO NICE. :wub: I think it was the first one after his passing where I actually "saw" him and was able to touch him. I've had a couple of MJ related ones lately (where he was mentioned but I did not see him) but I just can NOT remember what they were about...can't remember a thing. I hate it. I wake up and remember it was MJ related, and go "I need to remember everything!!" and by the time I'm in the bathroom taking a shower and brushing my teeth it's all gone and I can't remember a thing! :( It's so frustrating! But I remember this last one I had with MJ in it. :) Not all of it...only one part...I guess I remember it because I felt so good and so happy and so comforted, that it got burnt into my mind and memory. :lol: Anyways, what happened was that I got to hug MJ in my dream. :wub: I can not remember a THING about what the dream was about and why MJ was there and why I was close enough to hug him (I just remember it was not a fan type of meeting, I was somehow friends with him in the dream). Anyways I only remember that we hugged and it felt so good and I kept thinking "Gosh, he gives the best hugs!" because the hug was like a real "bear hug", which are the best ones. Like, he hugged me tightly an dheld me for such a long time. Aaawww! :wub: And I remember I was thinking "Ah, I really needed a hug...how did he know?!! He's so sweet!" in the dream. Anyways, that's all I can remember of the dream. It was not much, but it was enough to make me smile. :) And no I don't think there was any kind of meaning behind it. I think I most likely really needed a hug and since I still think about MJ every day and miss him SO MUCH, he was probably the one I most would have wanted a hug from, so the dream probably came from that. :scratch: Anyways, just wanted to share. :)

:punk:

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[nelly jackson]

All songs of romantic michael he speaks of a girl from an intense love,was it a hidden love or maybe a girl who only exist in his imaginção or in dreams and that he would like to find a day.....
but I do not know .... but if I want it .... LOL Michael lives forever in my heart....
My hero my angel i love you so much

[Autumn II]

Let me explain what happened, and you can do with this what you will. What happened is, in this tiny (MJJC board) corner of the world, time rolled back. . . . . . . So analyze THAT, you gentle people. . . ..

In practical terms, there was a massive technical glitch that changed everyone's name to DangerouZ. Amazing, an entire message board where everyone has the same name? Then, staff had to manually readmit everyone (those who went to the right thread and reapplied). We have twenty-thousand members! Then, when the data was restored, it was mistakenly restored only to October 2, as though that were the current date.

I'm presently getting PMs (arriving all the time), that I received, AND answered, last week. As though no time passed since October second. I sort of remember past posts, and others I'm sure are lost in the fogs of time. Memory is such a funny thing, isn't it?

Comments? (Oh, and Justus? I've been working on a little something. . . . )

Vic

[tha]

Let me explain what happened, and you can do with this what you will. What happened is, in this tiny (MJJC board) corner of the world, time rolled back. . . . . . . So analyze THAT, you gentle people. . . ..

In practical terms, there was a massive technical glitch that changed everyone's name to DangerouZ. Amazing, an entire message board where everyone has the same name? Then, staff had to manually readmit everyone (those who went to the right thread and reapplied). We have twenty-thousand members! Then, when the data was restored, it was mistakenly restored only to October 2, as though that were the current date.

I'm presently getting PMs (arriving all the time), that I received, AND answered, last week. As though no time passed since October second. I sort of rememer past posts, and others I'm sure are lost in the fogs of time. Memory is such a funny thing, isn't it?

Comments? (Oh, and Justus? I've been working on a little something. . . . )

Vic

So, everything will back to normal? It's just a matter of time?

[Ashtanga]

Let me explain what happened, and you can do with this what you will. What happened is, in this tiny (MJJC board) corner of the world, time rolled back. . . . . . . So analyze THAT, you gentle people. . . ..

In practical terms, there was a massive technical glitch that changed everyone's name to DangerouZ. Amazing, an entire message board where everyone has the same name? Then, staff had to manually readmit everyone (those who went to the right thread and reapplied). We have twenty-thousand members! Then, when the data was restored, it was mistakenly restored only to October 2, as though that were the current date.

I'm presently getting PMs (arriving all the time), that I received, AND answered, last week. As though no time passed since October second. I sort of rememer past posts, and others I'm sure are lost in the fogs of time. Memory is such a funny thing, isn't it?

Comments? (Oh, and Justus? I've been working on a little something. . . . )

Vic

Vic, thanks for clarifying. :) I was sad that has made these problems. But no matter, what matters is that everyone survived and all were found here. lol! Now everything is back to normal. :yes:

[summer]

Let me explain what happened, and you can do with this what you will. What happened is, in this tiny (MJJC board) corner of the world, time rolled back. . . . . . . So analyze THAT, you gentle people. . . ..

In practical terms, there was a massive technical glitch that changed everyone's name to DangerouZ. Amazing, an entire message board where everyone has the same name? Then, staff had to manually readmit everyone (those who went to the right thread and reapplied). We have twenty-thousand members! Then, when the data was restored, it was mistakenly restored only to October 2, as though that were the current date.

I'm presently getting PMs (arriving all the time), that I received, AND answered, last week. As though no time passed since October second. I sort of rememer past posts, and others I'm sure are lost in the fogs of time. Memory is such a funny thing, isn't it?

Comments? (Oh, and Justus? I've been working on a little something. . . . )

Vic

Ah okay. Thanks for the info Vic! I just PMed you about it like a minute ago! :lol: Just ignore the PM. :cheers:

[Lily]

What happened to this thread? Where did some of the posts go? The jokes were left but the nice posts are gone Huh? :huh: :scratch: I wanted to reply but the posts are gone. :huh:


Tell me about it. :scratch::wtf: Must be a sign? :unsure: oh well.....:girl_sigh:



Edit: Thank you Victoria. :flowers:

[Autumn II]

Things are back to "normal" as of today. Except, it's not known yet if that data can be restored. So, everything that happened on the board from October second until today, and these current posts, is gone. Not exactly like it never happened, because of our memories. Maybe some people had arguments with others on the board? Those arguments have been erased. Maybe some recorded dreams? The text is gone, and what we have of the dreams is only what we REMEMBER. Events happened in our lives that we shared on the board? The record of those events is gone.

I have received and responded to PMs. Now, those SAME PMs are being sent to me again, spontaneously? But yet, the person who sent them must remember doing so? And my answers?

So. . that's where we are now. . in the present.

Carry on,

Vic

[Lily]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel this weird universal love energy? or maybe it's just this thread? LOL But seriously something is happening in the universe..for like 3 nights in a row starting on Oct 1st or 2nd I think, we had that HUGE full moon that lit up the sky so brightly like we could see everything on the surface :alien: it was like it's light was feeding our souls. Then last night it wasn't as prominent :wtf: those 3 days it was huge, bright and beautiful are the days the data was lost on MJJC. I know I think too much, but energy is a powerful thing and I've been feeling strange things lately. Maybe theres a reason? :)

[mysterygirl7]

Things are back to "normal" as of today. Except, it's not known yet if that data can be restored. So, everything that happened on the board from October second until today, and these current posts, is gone. Not exactly like it never happened, because of our memories. Maybe some people had arguments with others on the board? Those arguments have been erased. Maybe some recorded dreams? The text is gone, and what we have of the dreams is only what we REMEMBER. Events happened in our lives that we shared on the board? The record of those events is gone.

I have received and responded to PMs. Now, those SAME PMs are being sent to me again, spontaneously? But yet, the person who sent them must remember doing so? And my answers?

So. . that's where we are now. . in the present.

Carry on,

Vic

It all sounds so mysterious.. maybe it's a SIGN.. and DangerouZ... hmmm

Thanks for all your hard work with the board..

[Autumn II]

It all sounds so mysterious.. maybe it's a SIGN.. and DangerouZ... hmmm

Thanks for all your hard work with the board..

A sign? Of what? What do YOU think?

carry on,

Vic

[summer]

It all sounds so mysterious.. maybe it's a SIGN.. and DangerouZ... hmmm

Thanks for all your hard work with the board..


A sign? Of what? What do YOU think?

carry on,

Vic

Well whatever sign it is, I hope it has nothing to do with the song DANGEROUS, because that would be the "kiss of death" to this LOVING thread that asks "Did MJ find love in the dark?". :lol: I mean..."Dangerous....The girl is so DANGEROUS....Take away my money, throw away my time, you can call me honey but you're NO DAMN GOOD FOR ME"...:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed :mello: :unsure::scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:


:tease:
(Then again...maybe that would give us the answer? Did he find love in the dark? Nah...she was no good. :huh: :lol:)

[tha]

Well whatever sign it is, I hope it has nothing to do with the song DANGEROUS, because that would be the "kiss of death" to this LOVING thread that asks "Did MJ find love in the dark?". :lol: I mean..."Dangerous....The girl is so DANGEROUS....Take away my money, throw away my time, you can call me honey but you're NO DAMN GOOD FOR ME"...:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed :mello: :unsure::scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

:lmao: :lmao:


:tease:
(Then again...maybe that would give us the answer? Did he find love in the dark? Nah...she was no good. :huh: :lol:)

:unsure: :scratch:

[Ashtanga]

:unsure: :scratch:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

But if she is the Dangerous girl, well, hmm, that might change my view on her a bit.
Well, all the girls are or may become dangerous in some way. lol! :wild:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[summer]

Are those lines in Dangerous? I really don't know that song. Doesn't Who Is It start with a similar train of thought? "I gave her money, I gave her time..."

Is the Dangerous girl the same girl he is speaking of in Who Is It? I kind of thought like you, Summer, that the Dangerous girl was just plain bad news, but the girl in Who Is It, he seems to be upset with her, angry with her (maybe... dare I say, unreasonably?) for going away without an explanation. Based on the lyrics, we don't know if that girl did anything wrong at all, do we?

But if she is the Dangerous girl, well, hmm, that might change my view on her a bit.

'Cause she apparently was no bleepity bleepity bleep good for him. Right?


Yeah, those are part of the Dangerous lyrics. And yes, the "Dangerous girl" is nothing but trouble, based on the lyrics.


DANGEROUS

The way she came into the palce
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

She's so dangerous
The girl is dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me

She came at me in sections
With the eyes of desire
I fell trapped into her
Web of sin
A touch, a kiss
A whisper of lvoe
I was at the point
Of no return

Deep in the darkness of
Passion's insanity
I felt taken by lust's
Strange inhumanity
This girl was persuasive
This girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew
But I was living in vain
She called my house
And said you know my name
And don't you pretend
You never did me before
With tears in her eyes
My baby walked out the door

She's so dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me
Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
I have to pray to God
'Cause I know how
Lust can blind
It's a passion in my soul
But you're no damn lover
Friend of mine

And then it happened
She touched me
For the lips of
A strange woman
Drop as a honeycomb
And her mouth was
Smoother than oil
But her inner spirit and words
Were as sharp as
A two-edged sword
But I loved it
'Cause it's dangerous

I cannot sleep alone tonight
My baby left me here tonight
I cannot cope 'til it's all right
You and your manipulation
You hurt my baby

She's so dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
but you're no damn good for me

Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me

Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
I have to pray to God
Cause I know how
Lust can blind
It's a passion in my soul
But you're no damn lover
Friend of mine

Edit: Actually now that I read the lyrics again, I am kind of hoping Michael didn't find love in the DARK....because a lot of "dangerous", crazy, shady, mean things seem to happen "in the dark". I hope he found "love in the light". :yes:

[tha]

Well, all the girls are or may become dangerous in some way. lol! :wild:

I Agree! A girl / woman sometimes can be a real hell for a man! :mello:

[summer]

I Agree! A girl / woman can be a real hell for a man! :mello:

It can go both ways though. Men can be just as bad. Luckily there are good girls and good guys too. You just have to look to find them. :yes:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

This poem goes with this discussion: love, Michael Jackson and his beloved he's looking for.


Man and Woman

Man is the highest of the creatures;
The woman is the most sublime of ideals.
Man is the brain;
The woman is the heart.
The brain produces the light;
The heart, LOVE.
Light engenders, Love resurrects.
The man is strong on the ground;
The woman is invincible tears.
Reason is convincing, tears ripple.
Man is capable of all heroism;
The woman, of all the martyrs.
Heroism ennobles, martyrdom sublimates.
The man is a code;
The woman is a gospel.
The code corrects, the gospel perfects.
The man is a temple, the woman is the tabernacle.
Before the temple we discover ourselves;
Before the shrine we kneel.
The man thinks, the woman dreams.
To think is to have the skull, one larva;
To dream is to have the forehead, a halo.
Man is an ocean, the woman is a lake.
The ocean has the adorning pearl;
The lake, the poetry that dazzles.
The man is the eagle that flies;
The woman is the nightingale singing.
Flying is dominating the space;
Sing is to conquer the soul.
Finally, the man is placed where the land ends;
The woman, where the sky begins.

(Victor Hugo)

:)



* In "Dangerous" and "Who Is It Girl" is clear to me that "she" is playing with him. She is not taking anything seriously, or she is being naughty with him. She just wants fun and not care about it. It is not a good girl and so it is dangerous for him in every way.

[summer]

Thanks Summer, for posting those Dangerous lyrics.

So in a way, it could be wondered if Michael Jackson was as hard on our sex as Ash, here...because if the Dangerous girl is NOT the Who Is It girl, that's two girls he viewed similarly. It would seem possible he maybe viewed women in general as those who use up his time and his money, at least by that time of his life...I mean were talking two songs on one album with this train of thought. So, so far in his life women weren't too impressive then? I hope that isn't true.

Maybe it's not...maybe he just ran out of original lyric ideas...just kiddin' ya.

I really don't know if the coincidence means anything, I just was surprised here to see that similarity in lyrics in the two songs.

Well it does seem like he didn't have that "high" of an opinion on women...at least based on what he told the rabbi. It seems his opinion on women was they are all "gold diggers until proven other wise" if they weren't rich and famous. And if they were rich and famous, he still seemed weary. But I don't blame him though...it's hard enough to try to find someone as a normal person. Imagine what it's like for someone who is the most famous person on this planet and owns a billion dollars. I'd probably feel the same if I were him....ESPECIALLY after what people have done to him. :scratch:

[mysterygirl7]

A sign? Of what? What do YOU think?

carry on,

Vic

It was just a joke really.. it was just the way you said it.. you made it sound a little mysterious.. lol

[mysterygirl7]

Yeah, those are part of the Dangerous lyrics. And yes, the "Dangerous girl" is nothing but trouble, based on the lyrics.


DANGEROUS

The way she came into the palce
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

She's so dangerous
The girl is dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me

She came at me in sections
With the eyes of desire
I fell trapped into her
Web of sin
A touch, a kiss
A whisper of lvoe
I was at the point
Of no return

Deep in the darkness of
Passion's insanity
I felt taken by lust's
Strange inhumanity
This girl was persuasive
This girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew
But I was living in vain
She called my house
And said you know my name
And don't you pretend
You never did me before
With tears in her eyes
My baby walked out the door

She's so dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me
Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
I have to pray to God
'Cause I know how
Lust can blind
It's a passion in my soul
But you're no damn lover
Friend of mine

And then it happened
She touched me
For the lips of
A strange woman
Drop as a honeycomb
And her mouth was
Smoother than oil
But her inner spirit and words
Were as sharp as
A two-edged sword
But I loved it
'Cause it's dangerous

I cannot sleep alone tonight
My baby left me here tonight
I cannot cope 'til it's all right
You and your manipulation
You hurt my baby

She's so dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
but you're no damn good for me

Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me honey
But you're no damn good for me

Dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
I have to pray to God
Cause I know how
Lust can blind
It's a passion in my soul
But you're no damn lover
Friend of mine

Edit: Actually now that I read the lyrics again, I am kind of hoping Michael didn't find love in the DARK....because a lot of "dangerous", crazy, shady, mean things seem to happen "in the dark". I hope he found "love in the light". :yes:

I love the lyrics of Dangerous, they are so amazing...

It seems like MJ was into Dangerous girls at one point.. maybe there was more between him and Madonna, than they both have claimed..

[summer]

It was just a joke really.. it was just the way you said it.. you made it sound a little mysterious.. lol

But at least we got the discussion going again. Raised up some questions! :cheers: :lol:

[mysterygirl7]

But at least we got the discussion going again. Raised up some questions! :cheers: :lol:

yeah that's true. it's funny how one thing leads to the next in here..

[Autumn II]

It was just a joke really.. it was just the way you said it.. you made it sound a little mysterious.. lol

Hard to know sometimes, what is mysterious, and what is not?

Carry on. . . . . . .

Vic

[mysterygirl7]

Hard to know sometimes, what is mysterious, and what is not?

Carry on. . . . . . .

Vic

Now that I come to think about it, do you ever take those kind of crash downs - that the site has had a few time - as any sort of warning..? Would it make you question things... maybe a stupid question...

[summer]

I love the lyrics of Dangerous, they are so amazing...



I love the song too.

This is what we were chanting/singing to Michael in Munich under his hotel window in 1999. :lol: :lol: I always CRACKED UP when we came to the part "and don't you pretend we didn't talk on the phone"...for some reason I always found that part so funny! :lmao: :lmao: (Maybe because we had never even met him, so that's why it was so funny...:hysterical:).

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2461/fansprayer.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/fansprayer.jpg/)

[mysterygirl7]

I love the song too.

This is what we were chanting/singing to Michael in Munich under his hotel window in 1999. :lol: :lol: I always CRACKED UP when we came to the part "and don't you pretend we didn't talk on the phone"...for some reason I always found that part so funny! :lmao: :lmao: (Maybe because we had never even met him, so that's why it was so funny...:hysterical:).

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2461/fansprayer.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/fansprayer.jpg/)

Really we did.. I don't remember lol..

But that's funny.. and you saved the paper.. :clapping:

[Lily]

Now I have that song stuck in my head :doh: LOL.....as well as "Can't you see that I'm in loooovvveeeee, I'm in looovveeee" :girl_sigh:



A sign? Of what? What do YOU think?

carry on,

Vic

I have my "universe" sign thoughts in my previous post but this is what else I think about signs or reasons for things happening.....

I feel that sometimes in life we are suppose to see, hear, read, feel, share, express our thoughts and go through certain situations as part of our growing process. Something can happen in an instant and then it's over and done with, yet what impact did it or did it not have on our life. What we absorb hopefully helps us to understand and appreciate life a little better. Maybe the posts that vanished served their purpose to whomever read or posted them? Were they words, feelings, and/or emotions that needed to be expressed by someone or needed to be heard by another? I dunno what each person takes away from here. I can speak for myself that this is definitely an interesting thread for me at times, I enjoy reading other peoples thoughts and also the fact that this thread challenges not only my mind but sometimes my emotions. What we lost are words but not the memories. I'm just happy that I went through each experience. :)

I think what you said in your previous post is wonderful and so true.....

"The text is gone, and what we have of the dreams is only what we REMEMBER".


"la vita e solamente un sogno" :girl_in_love:...(Life is but a dream) :)

[Autumn II]

Now that I come to think about it, do you ever take those kind of crash downs - that the site has had a few time - as any sort of warning..? Would it make you question things... maybe a stupid question...

Not a stupid question. Often if I've posted something. . unwise . . my computer . . . or something . . . . won't let the post go through. I pause and think, maybe I shouldn't have said that? And . . . . I didn't. Basically, in his little island that is MJJC in the larger world, we've lost .. . four days. . into the past. Today is still today, but everything we said here, every thread started. . . is gone, as though it never happened.

Carry on,

Vic

[Ashtanga]

To illustrate this discussion. Michael is dangerous:


http://mjjgallery.free.fr/history/awards/vma_rehersals/022.jpg

:wild::wild::wild: :wub::wub::wub:

[mysterygirl7]

Not a stupid question. Often if I've posted something. . unwise . . my computer . . . or something . . . . won't let the post go through. I pause and think, maybe I shouldn't have said that? And . . . . I didn't. Basically, in his little island that is MJJC in the larger world, we've lost .. . four days. . into the past. Today is still today, but everything we said here, every thread started. . . is gone, as though it never happened.

Carry on,

Vic

That has happened for me too!! Some people would just think, that it's the computer.. but those of us, who are a bit into signs, know that it's not.. lol

Very interesting.. hmm

[mysterygirl7]

To illustrate this discussion. Michael is dangerous:


http://mjjgallery.free.fr/history/awards/vma_rehersals/022.jpg

:wild::wild::wild: :wub::wub::wub:

Wow thanks for posting.. totally HOT

[Ashtanga]

Wow thanks for posting.. totally HOT
Michael is very hot. :wild: :wub:

[mysterygirl7]

Michael is very hot. :wild: :wub:

I agree... again.. lol

talking about the song dangerous, have you seen the hottest clip from the MTV video Music Awards, where he goes around, and says something like.. "some people like to take each day as it comes.. bla bla" And then when he says "and for those of you who like living dangerously this one is for you"

ARGHH that is just one of the best moments.. ever.. the hottest...

[tha]

To illustrate this discussion. Michael is dangerous:


http://mjjgallery.free.fr/history/awards/vma_rehersals/022.jpg

:wild::wild::wild: :wub::wub::wub:

Oh, God! Michael is sooooooooooooo dangerous!!!! Jesus, toss me! :wild:

Another one (Look his little mouth):
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3646/michaeljacksondangerous.jpg

:wild: :wub:

[tha]

I agree... again.. lol

talking about the song dangerous, have you seen the hottest clip from the MTV video Music Awards, where he goes around, and says something like.. "some people like to take each day as it comes.. bla bla" And then when he says "and for those of you who like living dangerously this one is for you"

ARGHH that is just one of the best moments.. ever.. the hottest...


I remember that!
"best moments.. ever.. the hottest..." - Wow!! :wild:

[Ashtanga]

I agree... again.. lol

talking about the song dangerous, have you seen the hottest clip from the MTV video Music Awards, where he goes around, and says something like.. "some people like to take each day as it comes.. bla bla" And then when he says "and for those of you who like living dangerously this one is for you"

ARGHH that is just one of the best moments.. ever.. the hottest...
:wild::wub:


Michael is sooooo amazing. I think he did not know the size of his power. He was always shy. The innocence made him even more sexy. The way you talk, look, smile, dance, sing... everything in it is absolutely sexy. Michael, goes far beyond being a handsome man. Beyond the "gold pants" and far beyond the "trombone". (I had to say it!) Lol! What's inside is much bigger than all these things together.

I just love everything about him. Michael has always been a giant in everything in life. He is incredible as an artist (for me it will always be a genius), a human being and as a man with an incredible inner strength. I love this man more and more. I am very proud of Michael was part of my childhood and adolescence (he will always be a part of my life) and especially to be a fan of his. :wub:

You can enlarge a love so much over time? Does this only happen to me? lol! :scratch: :wild: :wub:

No matter! My love for this amazing man will increase even more. I'm sooooo proud of him... :wub:


*Tha, keep calm. lol! I know that Michael takes all our concentration with such beauty. :wild:

[No-Body]

So, apparently the space-time continuum suffered a tiny 'glitch' round MJJC now, didn't it?

I'm sorry about the whole issue, because I saw even the thread with quotes from Michael is no longer here. I was sooo pleased to read his, how should I put this... firm conviction that the whole concept of karma is ludicrous? His stance on creationism was equally on point and so beautifully argumented. The man also knew his History, but then again, I ain't surprised one bit.

I also loved one of the comments in there about the futility of nationalism. Like the person who wrote, I too see no sense in finding a particular amount of pride for belonging/being born in a certain country. I am, first and foremost, a citizen of the world.

Yesterday I took part in a meeting where there was a sign with one of Europe's mottos 'unity in diversity'. I'd say that applies to the entire globe - we are all united in one human family, but that unity is of course so beautifully manifested in the colorful diversity of cultural and religious expressions. I love the specificity of cultures (right now I'm enjoying an amazing Korean series), especially when it manifests in different forms the unversality of values such as dignity, courage and love.





And now.... from the strange and weird fact file - am I crazy or do the lyrics to 'Cheater' point to an employment/business relationship gone sour/the lack of honesty on part of Michael's business partners rather than a personal story, as the title would suggest? On second thought, yall better leave out the crazy point, it was a rhetorical question. I'm asking because I see the vid (the wonderful collage made by MTV Base) almost every day and up until today I hadn't realize it. This morning I think I played the song about 7 times in a roll when I arrived at the office, I think i'm addicted LOL.

Earlier, as I was searching for videos of Cheater on you tube I also found the original, longer version; I love it even more because of the extended notes and ad-libs at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKnCtB4Guyk&feature=related

To my surprise I also found another marvel. I seem to 'recall' in a foggy kinda way some stuff about lil and big Mike and today I found the 1992 pepsi commercial featuring both of them in a wonderful rendition of "I'll be there". It is emotional, so please be adviced, access the link at your own safety http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUl4PRwtA3c&NR=1 It is kinda funny though to think that Michael hated pepsi, it confirmed a long held suspicion of mine. Coke is better anyhow, even though they both are harmful to the body if consumed in excessive amounts. It doesn't matter though, because the commercial is beautiful.

I don't know about y'all, but for me Monday cannot roll soon enough so we can all enjoy 'This is it', the song. I still remember the wonderful feeling last year when at the end of June we got to hear, albeit in not the most appropriate of circumstances coughleakcough, Hold my hand. It was soooo beautiful and comforting to hear his clear, wonderful voice again after so many years. If I ain't mistaken the start of this thread is a bit related in timing with that, isn't it? And who would have thought back then that it would reach over 400 pages. I guess it is the little thread that could. I wonder how high the mountain is and how steep the climb.

P.S. Great pics there ash and tha, so generous of you to share, thx.:happy:

[mysterygirl7]

:wild::wub:


Michael is sooooo amazing. I think he did not know the size of his power. He was always shy. The innocence made him even more sexy. The way you talk, look, smile, dance, sing... everything in it is absolutely sexy. Michael, goes far beyond being a handsome man. Beyond the "gold pants" and far beyond the "trombone". (I had to say it!) Lol! What's inside is much bigger than all these things together.

I just love everything about him. Michael has always been a giant in everything in life. He is incredible as an artist (for me it will always be a genius), a human being and as a man with an incredible inner strength. I love this man more and more. I am very proud of Michael was part of my childhood and adolescence (he will always be a part of my life) and especially to be a fan of his. :wub:

You can enlarge a love so much over time? Does this only happen to me? lol! :scratch: :wild: :wub:

No matter! My love for this amazing man will increase even more. I'm sooooo proud of him... :wub:


*Tha, keep calm. lol! I know that Michael takes all our concentration with such beauty. :wild:

So true!! :wub:

[Ashtanga]

Earlier, as I was searching for videos of Cheater on you tube I also found the original, longer version; I love it even more because of the extended notes and ad-libs at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKnCtB4Guyk&feature=related

To my surprise I also found another marvel. I seem to 'recall' in a foggy kinda way some stuff about lil and big Mike and today I found the 1992 pepsi commercial featuring both of them in a wonderful rendition of "I'll be there". It is emotional, so please be adviced, access the link at your own safety http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUl4PRwtA3c&NR=1 It is kinda funny though to think that Michael hated pepsi, it confirmed a long held suspicion of mine. Coke is better anyhow, even though they both are harmful to the body if consumed in excessive amounts. It doesn't matter though, because the commercial is beautiful.

Shabuya, thanks for sharing this wonderful videos! :wild:



P.S. Great pics there ash and tha, so generous of you to share, thx.:happy:
I wanted to include everyone with a beautiful landscape. Then the pictures of Michael will always be perfect for this occasion. lol! Michael is a collyrium to our eyes. :wub:




So true!! :wub:


I love you so much Michael... :happy: :wub:


Another beautiful picture of our dear Michael:


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/245/semttulokkkk.png

It's just why I love him so much. I love those eyes! They are sweet and sincere... :wub:




Wow, Ashtanga, I echo your words! What Michael makes us feel is out of any pattern, impossible to be explained. Just understand the ones feels the same!
When I was a child, playing the wife of Michael and that my dolls were our daughters! In my teens, I dreamed aloud with him at all times. His songs are part of the soundtrack of my life! Every moment was marked by a song of him! And today, in my adult life, I still love him, much more than yesterday and much less than tomorrow! I'm still loving him, praying for him and his happiness. Now, this love is more mature, a love without pretense, a altruístic love! And I know that love will live tomorrow and then no matter what happens, no matter the time that passes, I will always be in love with him!
:wub:
(wow. ... this was a moment "said that I hear you")



Ash, sometimes is impossible to keep calm! :)

Michael will be an eternal love for his fans worldwide. We always will love more and more. :wub::wub::wub:

Hey, one more picture to take away your concentration. :wild: The look of Michael.

Feel the energy of that look... :wild:

[tha]

:wild::wub:


Michael is sooooo amazing. I think he did not know the size of his power. He was always shy. The innocence made him even more sexy. The way you talk, look, smile, dance, sing... everything in it is absolutely sexy. Michael, goes far beyond being a handsome man. Beyond the "gold pants" and far beyond the "trombone". (I had to say it!) Lol! What's inside is much bigger than all these things together.

I just love everything about him. Michael has always been a giant in everything in life. He is incredible as an artist (for me it will always be a genius), a human being and as a man with an incredible inner strength. I love this man more and more. I am very proud of Michael was part of my childhood and adolescence (he will always be a part of my life) and especially to be a fan of his. :wub:

You can enlarge a love so much over time? Does this only happen to me? lol! :scratch: :wild: :wub:

No matter! My love for this amazing man will increase even more. I'm sooooo proud of him... :wub:

Wow, Ashtanga, I echo your words! What Michael makes us feel is out of any pattern, impossible to be explained. Just understand the ones feels the same!
When I was a child, playing the wife of Michael and that my dolls were our daughters! In my teens, I dreamed aloud with him at all times. His songs are part of the soundtrack of my life! Every moment was marked by a song of him! And today, in my adult life, I still love him, much more than yesterday and much less than tomorrow! I'm still loving him, praying for him and his happiness. Now, this love is more mature, a love without pretense, a altruístic love! And I know that love will live tomorrow and then no matter what happens, no matter the time that passes, I will always be in love with him!
:wub:
(wow. ... this was a moment "say that I hear you")


*Tha, keep calm. lol! I know that Michael takes all our concentration with such beauty. :wild:

Ash, sometimes is impossible to keep calm! :)

Shabuya
I love this video of "I'll be there" from Pespi! It's beautiful, exciting!



Hey, one more picture to take away your concentration. :wild: The look of Michael.

Feel the energy of that look... :wild:

I love this pic, Ash!!!! This pic makes me want to catch him and take him to (my) home! ^_^

Another one (make me stop or I'll put pictures here until tomorrow :lol: )

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5033/196mg.jpg

[Autumn II]

So, apparently the space-time continuum suffered a tiny 'glitch' round MJJC now, didn't it?

Thank you for understanding. Is the glass half-empty, or half-full? It was a nightmare! Or, a gentle demonstration/sign? This is a thread about love, and magic, and miracles.

Continue. . . .

[8701girl]

I
Another beautiful picture of our dear Michael:


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/245/semttulokkkk.png

It's just why I love him so much. I love those eyes! They are sweet and sincere... :wub:


I know he looks too cute in that pic :wub:

And those eyes ...*fanit*

[Ashtanga]

Tha, I love this picture. Michael was so beautiful in your birthday party. Hey, I also like the hands of Michael. They are beautiful. In fact, everything in Michael's beautiful. I think after seeing these pictures, I'll end up dreaming about Michael. lol!

I'm whispering here...:wub:


I'm going to stop posting pictures. If not I'll be filling up this discussion tomorrow of pictures. lol! :wild:

[8701girl]

yay ! more pics tomorrow...:wild:

[Sdeidjs]

So, apparently the space-time continuum suffered a tiny 'glitch' round MJJC now, didn't it?

I'm sorry about the whole issue, because I saw even the thread with quotes from Michael is no longer here. I was sooo pleased to read his, how should I put this... firm conviction that the whole concept of karma is ludicrous? His stance on creationism was equally on point and so beautifully argumented. The man also knew his History, but then again, I ain't surprised one bit.

I also loved one of the comments in there about the futility of nationalism. Like the person who wrote, I too see no sense in finding a particular amount of pride for belonging/being born in a certain country.
I am, first and foremost, a citizen of the world.

Yesterday I took part in a meeting where there was a sign with one of Europe's mottos
'unity in diversity'. I'd say that applies to the
entire globe - we are all united in one human family, but that unity is of course so beautifully manifested in the colorful diversity of cultural and religious expressions. I love the specificity of cultures (right now I'm enjoying an amazing Korean series), especially when it manifests in different forms the unversality of
values such as dignity, courage and love.





And now.... from the strange and weird fact file - am I crazy or do the lyrics to 'Cheater' point to an employment/business relationship gone sour/the lack of honesty on part of Michael's business partners rather than a personal story, as the title would suggest? On second thought, yall better leave out the crazy point, it was a rhetorical question. I'm asking because I see the vid (the wonderful collage made by MTV Base) almost every day and up until today I hadn't realize it. This morning I think I played the song about 7 times in a roll when I arrived at the office, I think i'm addicted LOL.

Earlier, as I was searching for videos of Cheater on you tube I also found the original, longer version; I love it even more because of the extended notes and ad-libs at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKnCtB4Guyk&feature=related

To my surprise I also found another marvel. I seem to 'recall' in a foggy kinda way some stuff about lil and big Mike and today I found the 1992 pepsi commercial featuring both of them in a wonderful rendition of "I'll be there". It is emotional, so please be adviced, access the link at your own safety http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUl4PRwtA3c&NR=1 It is kinda funny though to think that Michael hated pepsi, it confirmed a long held suspicion of mine.
Coke is better anyhow, even though they both are harmful to the body if consumed in excessive amounts. It
doesn't matter though, because
the commercial is beautiful.

I don't know about y'all, but for me Monday cannot roll soon enough so we can all enjoy 'This is it', the song. I still remember the wonderful feeling last year when at the end of June we got to hear, albeit in not the most appropriate of circumstances coughleakcough, Hold my hand. It was soooo beautiful and comforting to hear his clear, wonderful voice again after so many years. If I ain't mistaken the start of this thread is a bit related in timing with that, isn't it? And who would have thought back then that it would reach over 400 pages. I guess it is the little thread that could. I wonder how high the mountain is and how steep the climb.

P.S. Great pics there ash and tha, so generous of you to share, thx.:happy:


:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are the World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lainy]

wow!:wild:
I was a bit sad because some of my posts gone ... But now I have a wonderful surprise to see beautiful pics of Michael here! I feel hot weather! :wild:

I just have to thank all ... this topic's one of my favorites .. we speak of love! [/b]We loved Michael[/b] ...

Thanks to everyone who shared with us pics, videos .. Everything brings me a certain nostalgia but I'm very happy because he was part of my life and continues being ... same distant I feel him close to me and this's a comfort for my soul! :wub:

My hope isn't gone! :D
I just want where him feel my love, I don't want nothing in return, I just want him feel loved... :wub:

PS: Sdeidjs thank's for your placement!


'unity in diversity'.
entire globe - we are all united in one human family

Perfect words! :clapping:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

Good post queen_g :) good 2 c u

Thanks Vic for explaining things. These guys really did some work to get us back up and running.

Its interesting that some very deep posts disappeared, I learned things I never knew and would like to read again *cough*MP*Shabuya*cough* unique and interesting stuff ..

Light shows itself amid and within darkness in the outer world, the lyrics say "someone in the dark", not someone who the darkness is within ... the Dangerous girl's darkness was within herself

Lyrics

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid

Then somewhere in your heart you can feel the glow
A light to keep you warm when the night winds blow
Like it was written in the stars I knew
My friend, my "someone in the dark" was you

[qbee]

:wild::clapping:
Wow! You were perfect now! :yes: It is a beautiful song that is very optimistic and inspiring. This song is perfect...:cheeky:




One more song that I love:


Stomp! - Kirk Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AdYnFY_bZ0

[Kirk]: For those of you that think gospel music has gone to far.
You think we got to radical for Christ.
Well I got news for you, you is not heard nothin yet,
and if you do not know now you know. Glory, Glory!

[Part1:] Lately I've been going through some things that really got me down.
I need someone somebody to come and help me turn my life around.
I can not explain, I can not obtain it. Jesus your love is so, it's so amazing.
It gets me high up to the sky, and when I think about your goodness it makes me want to stomp.
Makes me clap my hands. Makes me want to dance and stomp.
My brother can not you see I got the victory. STOMP!

[repeat part 1]

[Salt [rap]]: When I think about the goodness and fullness of God,
makes me thankful pity the hateful I'm grateful.
The Lord brought me through this far,
trying to be cute when I praise him raise him high.
I keep the live beat bumping. Keep it jumping make the Lord feel something.
Is not no shame in my game God's Property. Kickin 'it wit Kirk is not no stoppin' me. UH stomp

[Kirk:] GP are you wit me?
[GP:] oh yeah we having church we is not going nowhere.
[repeat 3 times]

[pt2:] stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp

I promise the stomp, the whole stomp, nothin but the stomp

[Kirk:] It is not over. It is not over

[repeat part 2 until fades.]

:)





:woohoo:

Wow I love that song by Kirk Franklin
I also associate Michael with that song
I made this vid last year and just re-uploaded it in august

Michael Jackson takes us to church _ STOMP :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU)

.

[8701girl]

Lyrics

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid

Then somewhere in your heart you can feel the glow
A light to keep you warm when the night winds blow
Like it was written in the stars I knew
My friend, my "someone in the dark" was you


Aww i love the song :wub:

[Lily]

Nice posts queen g and SoS.

Energy truly is a powerful thing, especially when mutual chemistry on all levels, mind, body and soul, is part of the equation. How did Michael say it in that one note he released last November.....

"I can feel your energy through the walls".....:)

A message to the fans, maybe also a sign to her? I dunno.....

In the dark, in the light, whichever and whomever "she" may be, if there is a someone, like it was written in the stars HE KNEW.....maybe it was destiny?.....




I don't know about y'all, but for me Monday cannot roll soon enough so we can all enjoy 'This is it', the song. I still remember the wonderful feeling last year when at the end of June we got to hear, albeit in not the most appropriate of circumstances coughleakcough, Hold my hand. It was soooo beautiful and comforting to hear his clear, wonderful voice again after so many years. If I ain't mistaken the start of this thread is a bit related in timing with that, isn't it? And who would have thought back then that it would reach over 400 pages. I guess it is the little thread that could. I wonder how high the mountain is and how steep the climb.


Isn't there some controversy about the release of it in the GD section? oh well, I'm looking forward to hearing new music whenever it gets released :) and yes this thread did start back up around the time "Hold My Hand" was leaked, there was lots of excitement in the air. :)

The little thread that could is right :train:

:lol:

[tha]

Good post queen_g :) good 2 c u

Thanks Vic for explaining things. These guys really did some work to get us back up and running.

Its interesting that some very deep posts disappeared, I learned things I never knew and would like to read again *cough*MP*Shabuya*cough* unique and interesting stuff ..

Light shows itself amid and within darkness in the outer world, the lyrics say "someone in the dark", not someone who the darkness is within ... the Dangerous girl's darkness was within herself

Lyrics

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that comes shining through
It tells you never be afraid

Then somewhere in your heart you can feel the glow
A light to keep you warm when the night winds blow
Like it was written in the stars I knew
My friend, my "someone in the dark" was you

Oh, God! I love this song! It is so beautiful, so romantic, so sincere! Hear its shudder me! :wub:

My favorite part:

"Wherever you may be
I'll look up and see
Someone in the dark for me!"

:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Justus]

Oh man that really good post I made a few days ago is gone! :( Wish I would have saved that one. I don't even remember what it was that I wrote in it, just that it was good. Oh, something about finishing the humanitarian work, despite Michael's "passing", right? Because that's really what Michael would want for his fans to do, in his absence, is work for humanity, because that was his message. I really wish that would have been one of the posts that stayed. Oh well.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Sdeidjs]

Oh man that really good post I made a few days ago is gone! :( Wish I would have saved that one. I don't even remember what it was that I wrote in it, just that it was good. Oh,
something about finishing the humanitarian work, despite Michael's "passing", right? Because that's really what
Michael would want for his fans to do, in his absence, is work for humanity, because that was his message. I really wish that would have been one of the posts that stayed. Oh well.

:punk:

:angel:Keep Healing The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

wow!:wild:
I was a bit sad because some of my posts gone ... But now I have a wonderful surprise to see
beautiful pics of Michael here! I feel hot weather! :wild:

I just have to thank all ... this topic's one of my favorites ..
we speak of love! [/b]We loved Michael[/b] ...

Thanks to everyone who shared with us pics, videos .. Everything brings me a certain nostalgia but I'm very happy because he was part of my life and continues being ... same distant I feel him close to me and this's a comfort for my soul! :wub:

My hope isn't gone! :D
I just want where him feel my love, I don't want nothing in return, I just want him feel loved... :wub:



PS: Sdeidjs thank's for your placement!



Perfect words! :clapping:

I am pleased that you are pleased...Your very welcome!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ape]

Oh man that really good post I made a few days ago is gone! :( Wish I would have saved that one. I don't even remember what it was that I wrote in it, just that it was good. Oh, something about finishing the humanitarian work, despite Michael's "passing", right? Because that's really what Michael would want for his fans to do, in his absence, is work for humanity, because that was his message. I really wish that would have been one of the posts that stayed. Oh well.
I'm sorry your post is gone without anyone saving it. I do remember it reminded me lots of a thread I made that got moved to another section. Please read.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73585

[Ashtanga]

In the dark, in the light, whichever and whomever "she" may be, if there is a someone, like it was written in the stars HE KNEW.....maybe it was destiny?.....

Lily, you reminded me of a Jackson 5 song that I love so much:

Destiny - Jackson 5

In this world there's much confusion
And I've taste the city life and it's not for me
Now I do dream of distant places
Where? I don't know now, but it's destiny...
If it's the rich life
I don't want it
Happiness ain't always material things
I want destiny
It's the place for me
Give me the simple life
I'm getting away from here
Let me be me
C'mon let me feel free
Now I'm a man that's for all seasons
And what the city offers me ain't naturally
I look to greet the stars but there are no stars to see
I'm gonna search this world until I find my destiny
If its the rich life I don't want it
Happiness ain't always material things...
I want destiny
It's the place for me
Give me the simple life
I'm getting away from here
Let me be me
C'mon let me feel free
Let me be me
I wanna get far from here
Or should I up and fly away so fancy free
yeah
Nobody can change my mind
the words of destiny are calling me wild time...
(Music break)
Ah destiny
you and me
so fancy free
Ah destiny
should we fly away
Ah destiny
you and me
so fancy free
Ah destiny

:wub:





Wow I love that song by Kirk Franklin
I also associate Michael with that song
I made this vid last year and just re-uploaded it in august

Michael Jackson takes us to church _ STOMP :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkN9BGAAGYU)

.
qbee, thanks for sharing this beautiful video! :D





Another amazing picture of my collection of our beloved Michael:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2069/semttuloiiiiiiiiiii.png

Simply perfect... :wub::wub::wub:

[Justus]

Well thank you all for your compliments/sentiments, I appreciate it. The message it contained was SO important, but there is no way of re-creating it.

Well, moving on...I suppose.

[No-Body]

Thank you for understanding. Is the glass half-empty, or half-full? It was a nightmare! Or, a gentle demonstration/sign? This is a thread about love, and magic, and miracles.

Continue. . . .

Victoria, the glass can ONLY be half full. If one goes through life focusing on the negativity that is permeating almost every aspect of reality, existence would be nothing but one prolonged agony. There has got to be more to life than this.


Isn't there some controversy about the release of it in the GD section?

Lily, from my understanding the controversy is about the sale of the single, not its release. I expect we will hear it on the radio all over the world. What I would love though would be an online streaming, just as there was for the TII trailer. In any case, it's bound to be brilliant :yes:

[summer]

Another beautiful picture of our dear Michael:


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/245/semttulokkkk.png



:stretcher :stretcher :stretcher :stretcher :stretcher

I've never seen that photo before!! Michael looks SO CUTE...SO SWEET in that photo. I instantly started crying when I saw that picture because he looks so sweet and I just instantly started missing him again. :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: He's SUCH a beautiful person...inside and OUT. Such a GOOD person...and such a GORGEOUS man. :wub: It's not fair that he is gone!! :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:


So, apparently the space-time continuum suffered a tiny 'glitch' round MJJC now, didn't it?

I'm sorry about the whole issue, because I saw even the thread with quotes from Michael is no longer here. I was sooo pleased to read his, how should I put this... firm conviction that the whole concept of karma is ludicrous? His stance on creationism was equally on point and so beautifully argumented. The man also knew his History, but then again, I ain't surprised one bit.

I also loved one of the comments in there about the futility of nationalism. Like the person who wrote, I too see no sense in finding a particular amount of pride for belonging/being born in a certain country. I am, first and foremost, a citizen of the world.

Yesterday I took part in a meeting where there was a sign with one of Europe's mottos 'unity in diversity'. I'd say that applies to the entire globe - we are all united in one human family, but that unity is of course so beautifully manifested in the colorful diversity of cultural and religious expressions. I love the specificity of cultures (right now I'm enjoying an amazing Korean series), especially when it manifests in different forms the unversality of values such as dignity, courage and love.





And now.... from the strange and weird fact file - am I crazy or do the lyrics to 'Cheater' point to an employment/business relationship gone sour/the lack of honesty on part of Michael's business partners rather than a personal story, as the title would suggest? On second thought, yall better leave out the crazy point, it was a rhetorical question. I'm asking because I see the vid (the wonderful collage made by MTV Base) almost every day and up until today I hadn't realize it. This morning I think I played the song about 7 times in a roll when I arrived at the office, I think i'm addicted LOL.

Earlier, as I was searching for videos of Cheater on you tube I also found the original, longer version; I love it even more because of the extended notes and ad-libs at the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKnCtB4Guyk&feature=related

To my surprise I also found another marvel. I seem to 'recall' in a foggy kinda way some stuff about lil and big Mike and today I found the 1992 pepsi commercial featuring both of them in a wonderful rendition of "I'll be there". It is emotional, so please be adviced, access the link at your own safety http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUl4PRwtA3c&NR=1 It is kinda funny though to think that Michael hated pepsi, it confirmed a long held suspicion of mine. Coke is better anyhow, even though they both are harmful to the body if consumed in excessive amounts. It doesn't matter though, because the commercial is beautiful.

I don't know about y'all, but for me Monday cannot roll soon enough so we can all enjoy 'This is it', the song. I still remember the wonderful feeling last year when at the end of June we got to hear, albeit in not the most appropriate of circumstances coughleakcough, Hold my hand. It was soooo beautiful and comforting to hear his clear, wonderful voice again after so many years. If I ain't mistaken the start of this thread is a bit related in timing with that, isn't it? And who would have thought back then that it would reach over 400 pages. I guess it is the little thread that could. I wonder how high the mountain is and how steep the climb.

P.S. Great pics there ash and tha, so generous of you to share, thx.:happy:

I love the idea of us all being "Citizens of the World". I mean, I love differenet cultures and foreign languages and it's fun to learn about different customs and traditions, etc. But at the same time we are all inhabitants of this earth, so we all have that in common and we should all have a sense of "unity" because of that. My parents used to always keep reminding me how LUCKY I was to have been born into my country when I was a kid. I'll never forget it. They didn't teach me our nationality is BETTER than some other nationality. No. They told me that I need to be very grateful to have been born into my country because there are children in other countries who have no food to eat, no toys to play with, no house to live in and some have no parents, and there's war and violence in their country. My mom especially kept reminding me about it every day. She'd go "Think about the poor children in other countries who weren't as lucky and don't have what you have. Make sure you appreciate what you have because not all kids have what you have." And she also made sure that my sister and I played with handicapped children, because she wanted us to learn to get along with kids who are different too and that we learn to respect and accept kids/people who are different. Anyways, so it's really thanks to my parents, but especially my mom, that I learned that we are all the same...even when we are different, we are "the same", and you should treat everyone with love, respect and kindness, no matter what their race, color, etc. is.


Well thank you all for your compliments/sentiments, I appreciate it. The message it contained was SO important, but there is no way of re-creating it.

Well, moving on...I suppose.

Well, I think all the "regulars" here most likely saw it and read it, so it didn't go to waste completely. It's too bad it is gone, but I think we all got the message in your post. We must continue to "heal the world", even though Michael is gone. We shouldn't "throw in the towel" on trying to heal the world, just because Michael is no longer with us to inspire us and motivate us. It's up to us now to "dust off our butts" and "get back to work" and do something to make this world a better place for you, me and everyone else on this planet. That's what Michael would have wanted.



"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21

[Lily]

Lily, from my understanding the controversy is about the sale of the single, not its release. I expect we will hear it on the radio all over the world. What I would love though would be an online streaming, just as there was for the TII trailer. In any case, it's bound to be brilliant :yes:

Indeed I believe it will be brilliant. Hopefully the music was kept as Michael created it and not changed into something Sony wants it to be. :mello:

What I'm looking forward to is hearing new lyrics and what the music that accompanies those lyrics is going to sound like. I love that piece of the instrumental song that was released, it is so beautiful, like the music tells the story, it speaks to you without lyrics.

Michael's a creative genius and it will be interesting to see the man he evolved into and where his creativity, heart, happiness and inspirations were at, at this time in his life. :)

~~~~~

[Lily]

Well thank you all for your compliments/sentiments, I appreciate it. The message it contained was SO important, but there is no way of re-creating it.

Well, moving on...I suppose.

I will only speak for myself although I know most of us saw, read and understood the message in your post. :) imo the important thing in life is absorbing what we've learned and experienced and moving forward. I admit at first I was disappointed my posts were lost because I like reading back on what my thoughts or mood may have been at any given time. But then I thought about what admin and staff went through to keep MJJC up and running and my disappointment was nothing in comparison to what they were experiencing. To be honest I felt like I was being selfish even feeling that way, and that quickly checked me back to reality because I'm far from being a selfish person. Then I sat thinking about the reality of it all and imo it's like I said in one of my previous posts, things come and go in an instant, but what did we take away from the experience? The words may be gone, but not the memories.

We all CAN make a difference, and sometimes that may not be to the masses but one person at a time. It is possible. It's about living a selfless life, doing things from your heart, making and/or doing a kind gesture for someone "just because" to brighten their day, remembering to "pay it forward" to someone in need without expecting anything in return...those actions are the food to our soul, those actions are what help build character, those actions are what life is about. At least thats imo and the type of person I was taught to be. :)

Your message wasn't all for not, yes it was very important, and it also was heard. Maybe you will be inspired to create new thoughts to share with us someday, and I'm sure they will be just as important. :)

[Ashtanga]

Indeed I believe it will be brilliant. Hopefully the music was kept as Michael created it and not changed into something Sony wants it to be. :mello:

What I'm looking forward to is hearing new lyrics and what the music that accompanies those lyrics is going to sound like. I love that piece of the instrumental song that was released, it is so beautiful, like the music tells the story, it speaks to you without lyrics.

Michael's a creative genius and it will be interesting to see the man he evolved into and where his thoughts, creativity, heart, mind, happiness and inspirations were at, at this time in his life. :)

:scratch: I was thinking... All Michael did was so wonderful and brilliant. :D And it will be different with the song "This is it." :yes: It will be everywhere. It will touch on all radios. Everyone will just talk about this song. It will be a great success and the movie. I can still say that with the movie Michael will break another record and will enter the Guinness Book again. :wild: I feel that this will happen and I'm hoping very much. :D:wub:

[tha]

:scratch: I was thinking... All Michael did was so wonderful and brilliant. :D And it will be different with the song "This is it." :yes: It will be everywhere. It will touch on all radios. Everyone will just talk about this song. It will be a great success and the movie. I can still say that with the movie Michael will break another record and will enter the Guinness Book again. :wild: I feel that this will happen and I'm hoping very much. :D:wub:

Yes, Michael will be in Guinness Book again! He excels in everything and "This Is It" will not be different! :yes: "We'll see him in a way that we never seen before!" I'm very excited! "This is the moment, THIS IS IT!"

Now I remember this part of the song "Simply The Best" - Tina Tuner:

"You're simply the best, better than all the rest better than anyone, anyone I've ever met "

:) :D

[Lainy]

Ash, Tha, I agree! I don't have doubt that Michael will be again in the Guinness Book! I'm so excited! :wild:


He excels in everything and "This Is It" will not be different! :yes: "We'll see him in a way that we never seen before!" I'm very excited! "This is the moment, THIS IS IT!"

Lily, your last placement was perfect!
Justus I read your post, you used words sincere and sweet .. don't will be easy to forget ... I hope anxious to see your next comments!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hi all!

I'm wondering if you've seen a particular poster I've been looking for, their name is "DangerouZ." j/k!:lol:

Anyway, speaking of "Dangerous":





Are those lines in Dangerous? I really don't know that song. Doesn't Who Is It start with a similar train of thought? "I gave her money, I gave her time..."

Is the Dangerous girl the same girl he is speaking of in Who Is It? I kind of thought like you, Summer, that the Dangerous girl was just plain bad news, but the girl in Who Is It, he seems to be upset with her, angry with her (maybe... dare I say, unreasonably?) for going away without an explanation. Based on the lyrics, we don't know if that girl did anything wrong at all, do we?

But if she is the Dangerous girl, well, hmm, that might change my view on her a bit.

'Cause she apparently was no bleepity bleepity bleep good for him. Right?

You know, I was looking over the lyrics 'cause I just couldn't believe both songs were referring to the same person and I made a startling discovery that I had never seen before. There are actually TWO women in the song "Dangerous." I think I never really noticed this before 'cause the first woman was so predominate. I bolded the reference to the second woman in the lyrics. He refers to the second woman as "my baby."

Dangerous lyrics

The Way She Came Into The Place
I Knew Right Then And There
There Was Something Different
About This Girl

The Way She Moved
Her Hair, Her Face, Her Lines
Divinity In Motion

As She Stalked The Room
I Could Feel The Aura
Of Her Presence
Every Head Turned
Feeling Passion And Lust

The Girl Was Persuasive
The Girl I Could Not Trust
The Girl Was Bad
The Girl Was Dangerous

I Never Knew But I Was
Walking The Line
Come Go With Me
I Said I Have No Time
And Don't You Pretend We Didn't
Talk On The phone
My Baby Cried
She Left Me Standing Alone

She's So Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

She Came At Me In Sections
With The Eyes Of Desire
I Fell Trapped Into Her
Web Of Sin
A Touch, A Kiss
A Whisper Of Love
I Was At The Point
Of No Return

Deep In The Darkness Of
Passion's Insanity
I Felt Taken By Lust's
Strange Inhumanity
This Girl Was Persuasive
This Girl I Could Not Trust
The Girl Was Bad
The Girl Was Dangerous

I Never Knew
But I Was Living In Vain
She Called My House
She Said You Know My Name
And Don't You Pretend
You Never Did Me Before
With Tears In Her Eyes
My Baby Walked Out The Door

She's So Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
I Have To Pray To God
'Cause I Know How
Lust Can Blind
It's A Passion In My Soul
But You're No Damn Lover
Friend Of Mine

I Can not Sleep Alone Tonight
My Baby Left Me Here Tonight
I Cannot Cope 'Til It's All Right
You And Your Manipulation
You Hurt My Baby

And Then It Happened
She Touched Me
For The Lips Of
A Strange Woman
Drop As A Honeycomb
And Her Mouth Was
Smoother Than Oil
But Her Inner Spirit And Words
Were As Sharp As
A Two-Edged Sword
But I Loved It
'Cause It's Dangerous

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
I Have To Pray To God
'Cause I Know How
Lust Can Blind
It's A Passion In My Soul
But You're No Damn Lover
Friend Of Mine
[Ad Libs Out]

Maybe "his baby" (who was left crying in the song 'cause of the "Dangerous" woman) and the "Who Is It" girl are the same, rather than the "Dangerous" girl and the "Who Is It" girl being the same.

[tha]

Maybe "his baby" (who was left crying in the song 'cause of the "Dangerous woman) and the "Who Is It" girl are the same, rather than the "Dangerous" girl and the "Who Is It" girl being the same.

Are the same girls?! :rolleyes:

Now I'm here thinking that the "Dangerous girl" has some liaison with "Dirty Diana"! :lol:

[8701girl]

Are the same girls?! :rolleyes:

Now I'm here thinking that the "Dangerous girl" has some liaison with "Dirty Diana"! :lol:


Yeh im thinking that too!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Are the same girls?! :rolleyes:

Now I'm here thinking that the "Dangerous girl" has some liaison with "Dirty Diana"! :lol:

Well, both the "Dangerous" girl and "Dirty Diana" are both similar, they are both seductresses, but I don't get that impression from the "Who Is It" girl. She just left his life for one reason or another. Two completely different things.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

Well, both the "Dangerous" girl and "Dirty Diana" are both similar, they are both seductresses, but I don't get that impression from the "Who Is It" girl. She just left his life for one reason or another. Two completely different things.


I think the "dirty diana" & "dangerous" girl were bout those ladies like trying to get into mjs pants!

Where as "who is it" was bout his girl leaving him without her telling him why. And mike is thinking "why" "did she leave me for someonelse?" "and who is this someelse"?

[tha]

Well, both the "Dangerous" girl and "Dirty Diana" are both similar, they are both seductresses, but I don't get that impression from the "Who Is It" girl. She just left his life for one reason or another. Two completely different things.

I don't get that impression from the "Who Is It" girl too! ;)




Maaaaan, did MJ have like a long blackboard placed on one of his walls with all his women charted out with chalk so he could keep them all straight? What a balancing act. :smilerolleyes:


A little book with the name of all the "naughty" girls! :lol:


I think the "dirty diana" & "dangerous" girl were bout those ladies like trying to get into mjs pants!

Where as "who is it" was bout his girl leaving him without her telling him why. And mike is thinking "why" "did she leave me for someonelse?" "and who is this someelse"?

:yes: :)

[summer]

Hi all!

I'm wondering if you've seen a particular poster I've been looking for, their name is "DangerouZ." j/k!:lol:

Anyway, speaking of "Dangerous":




You know, I was looking over the lyrics 'cause I just couldn't believe both songs were referring to the same person and I made a startling discovery that I had never seen before. There are actually TWO women in the song "Dangerous." I think I never really noticed this before 'cause the first woman was so predominate. I bolded the reference to the second woman in the lyrics. He refers to the second woman as "my baby."

Dangerous lyrics

The Way She Came Into The Place
I Knew Right Then And There
There Was Something Different
About This Girl

The Way She Moved
Her Hair, Her Face, Her Lines
Divinity In Motion

As She Stalked The Room
I Could Feel The Aura
Of Her Presence
Every Head Turned
Feeling Passion And Lust

The Girl Was Persuasive
The Girl I Could Not Trust
The Girl Was Bad
The Girl Was Dangerous

I Never Knew But I Was
Walking The Line
Come Go With Me
I Said I Have No Time
And Don't You Pretend We Didn't
Talk On The phone
My Baby Cried
She Left Me Standing Alone

She's So Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

She Came At Me In Sections
With The Eyes Of Desire
I Fell Trapped Into Her
Web Of Sin
A Touch, A Kiss
A Whisper Of Love
I Was At The Point
Of No Return

Deep In The Darkness Of
Passion's Insanity
I Felt Taken By Lust's
Strange Inhumanity
This Girl Was Persuasive
This Girl I Could Not Trust
The Girl Was Bad
The Girl Was Dangerous

I Never Knew
But I Was Living In Vain
She Called My House
She Said You Know My Name
And Don't You Pretend
You Never Did Me Before
With Tears In Her Eyes
My Baby Walked Out The Door

She's So Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
I Have To Pray To God
'Cause I Know How
Lust Can Blind
It's A Passion In My Soul
But You're No Damn Lover
Friend Of Mine

I Can not Sleep Alone Tonight
My Baby Left Me Here Tonight
I Cannot Cope 'Til It's All Right
You And Your Manipulation
You Hurt My Baby

And Then It Happened
She Touched Me
For The Lips Of
A Strange Woman
Drop As A Honeycomb
And Her Mouth Was
Smoother Than Oil
But Her Inner Spirit And Words
Were As Sharp As
A Two-Edged Sword
But I Loved It
'Cause It's Dangerous

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
Take Away My Money
Throw Away My Time
You Can Call Me Honey
But You're No Damn Good For Me

Dangerous
The Girl Is So Dangerous
I Have To Pray To God
'Cause I Know How
Lust Can Blind
It's A Passion In My Soul
But You're No Damn Lover
Friend Of Mine
[Ad Libs Out]

Maybe "his baby" (who was left crying in the song 'cause of the "Dangerous" woman) and the "Who Is It" girl are the same, rather than the "Dangerous" girl and the "Who Is It" girl being the same.


Are the same girls?! :rolleyes:

Now I'm here thinking that the "Dangerous girl" has some liaison with "Dirty Diana"! :lol:

Well there are two women in Dirty Diana as well. One who seduces and another one who is his "baby". :scratch:

DIRTY DIANA

You'll Never Make Me Stay
So Take Your Weight Off Of Me
I Know Your Every Move
So Won't You Just Let Me Be
I've Been Here Times Before
But I Was Too Blind To See
That You Seduce Every Man
This Time You Won't Seduce Me

She's Saying That's Ok
Hey Baby Do What You Please
I Have The Stuff That You Want
I Am The Thing That You Need
She Looked Me Deep In The Eyes
She's Touchin' Me So To Start
She Says There's No Turnin' Back
She Trapped Me In Her Heart

Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, No
Dirty Diana
Let Me Be!

Oh No . . .
Oh No . . .
Oh No . . .

She Likes The Boys In The Band
She Knows When They Come To Town
Every Musician's Fan After
The Curtain Comes Down
She Waits At Backstage Doors
For Those Who Have Prestige
Who Promise Fortune And Fame,
A Life That's So Carefree

She's Saying That's Ok
Hey Baby Do What You Want
I'll Be Your Night Lovin' Thing
I'll Be The Freak You Can Taunt
And I Don't Care What You
Say
I Want To Go Too Far
I'll Be Your Everything
If You Make Me A Star

Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, No
Dirty Diana . . .
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, No
Dirty Diana . . .
Diana!
Diana!
Dirty Diana!
It's Dia . . .Aa . . .Aa . . .
Come On!

She Said I Have To Go Home
'Cause I'm Real Tired You See
But I Hate Sleepin' Alone
Why Don't You Come With
Me
I Said My Baby's At Home
She's Probably Worried Tonight
I Didn't Call On The Phone
To Say That I'm Alright

Diana Walked Up To Me,
She Said I'm All Yours Tonight
At That I Ran To The Phone
Sayin' Baby I'm Alright
I Said But Unlock The Door,
Because I Forgot The Key,
She Said He's Not Coming Back
Because He's Sleeping With Me

Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, No
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana, Nah
Dirty Diana . . .
Come On!
Come On!
Come On!
Come On!...

[8701girl]

A little book with the name of all the "naughty" girls! :lol:

:lol: :lol:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Maaaaan, did MJ have like a long blackboard placed on one of his walls with all his women charted out with chalk so he could keep them all straight? What a balancing act. :smilerolleyes:

I know it! Women, Women, WOMEN! Poor baby! lol!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

I know it! Women, Women, WOMEN! Poor baby! lol!

:lol: :lmao:

[Ashtanga]

Maybe "his baby" (who was left crying in the song 'cause of the "Dangerous" woman) and the "Who Is It" girl are the same, rather than the "Dangerous" girl and the "Who Is It" girl being the same.
:doh:
I'm so observant and never paid attention to it. Accidents happen. lol! I could never imagine that would be two women (imaginary - yes, she or they do not exist and never existed! Lol!) :wild:

Tha, mentioned "Dirty Diana". In my opinion Michael has created several profiles of imaginary women for their songs. Michael was always very creative, so it would not be complicated and much less difficult to create a profile of imaginary woman. That's what I think about it.

Before anyone speaks of women in the song of Michael... :smilerolleyes: As I always say and I will never tire of repeating (lol!), You can not say with 100% certainty what came to mind of the artist at the time of creation of his work. We can only speculate. So for me, "she" never existed and is a character with different personalities created by Michael for his songs. :ph34r:

:D

[8701girl]

I know it! Women, Women, WOMEN! Poor baby! lol!


But hey im sure mike loved having all these women sedcuing him ;)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Well there are two women in Dirty Diana as well. One who seduces and another one who is his "baby". :scratch:

She Said I Have To Go Home
'Cause I'm Real Tired You See
But I Hate Sleepin' Alone
Why Don't You Come With
Me
I Said My Baby's At Home
She's Probably Worried Tonight
I Didn't Call On The Phone
To Say That I'm Alright

Diana Walked Up To Me,
She Said I'm All Yours Tonight
At That I Ran To The Phone
Sayin' Baby I'm Alright
I Said But Unlock The Door,
Because I Forgot The Key,
She Said He's Not Coming Back
Because He's Sleeping With Me


Hey! Good catch summer! What's with this guy keepin' on hurtin' his "baby"? lol!

[tha]

Before anyone speaks of women in the song of Michael... :smilerolleyes: As I always say and I will never tire of repeating (lol!), You can not say with 100% certainty what came to mind of the artist at the time of creation of his work. We can only speculate. So for me, "she" never existed and is a character with different personalities created by Michael for his songs. :ph34r:

:D

:clapping: :yes:

I think the same, Ash!!!


But hey im sure mike loved having all these women sedcuing him ;)

:lol:

Yeah.... he like!!!! :D

[8701girl]

His baby has apparently put up with a lot.


Yes i feel very sorry for her

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

:clapping: :yes:

I think the same, Ash!!!


Oh God! :doh: I'm so happy for that. :D By "one" person agrees with me. lol! :wild: Thanks! :)

[8701girl]

What other explanation does the guy need? Man, he's slow.


:lol: :lol:

[tha]

WAIT...there was his answer! This must be why the Who Is It girl left. What other explanation does the guy need? Man, he's slow.

:lol: :lmao:

I think I'll laugh a lot here today! :D


Oh God! :doh: I'm so happy for that. :D By "one" person agrees with me. lol! :wild: Thanks! :)

We really think alike, Ash! :yes:

[Ashtanga]

What's with the girl keepin' on takin' it?

WAIT...there was his answer! This must be why the Who Is It girl left. What other explanation does the guy need? Man, he's slow.
:scratch:

In fact Michael is not the kind of man who just wants a woman to venture... He wants much more than that. :smilerolleyes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

What's with the girl keepin' on takin' it?

WAIT...there was his answer! This must be why the Who Is It girl left. What other explanation does the guy need? Man, he's slow.

Exaaaaaactly queen g! One day she probably got up and said, "Hey! Nobody puts "baby" in the corner!" lol!

[tha]

:scratch:

In fact Michael is not the kind of man who just wants a woman to venture... He wants much more than that. :smilerolleyes:

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Michael is a rare type of man! :wub:

[Lily]

Michael's a playa? :bugeyed :mello: sorry but I can't be lovin' a playa, that's out of the question! -_- LOL

[8701girl]

Exaaaaaactly queen g! One day she probably got up and said, "Hey! Nobody puts "baby" in the corner!" lol!


:lol:

YOU GO BABY! :punk:

[Ashtanga]

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Michael is a rare type of man! :wub:

This is one of the reasons I love him so much. :wub:

[summer]

Hey! Good catch summer! What's with this guy keepin' on hurtin' his "baby"? lol!

Yeah, and what's interesting is that he seems to put all the blame on the women. Like it doesn't take two people to get involved into cheating. :scratch:Like "Oh women are so awful. All they do is seduce poor men and the men have no choice but to have sex with them. It's all the women's fault". Like he seems to think one can't expect a man to be faithful and say NO? :mello: :scratch:Like, "It was not MY fault. SHE seduced me. It's HER fault. I had NO CHOICE." :ph34r: :lol:

I guess he got sick of seeing what went on with his brothers and his father when he was little. It was probably too much for him to bear and to understand. And I can see how he'd become to dislike "overly seductive" women and be weary of women because of what he saw in his childhood. And knowing how much he adored his mother and how the "other women" hurt her mother and his brother's wives...I can see how he'd "hate those kind of women" even though his father and brother of course did their part in the whole thing too and chose not to be faithful. Because like I said, it takes two people...But it's understandable he'd put the blame on the women because they were the "reason" why his mother was hurting, even though it was just as much his father's fault too.


Michael's a playa? :bugeyed :mello: sorry but I can't be lovin' a playa, that's out of the question! -_- LOL :lol: Same here. :lol: Not that it's any of my business what he does (did) in his private time but I'd be extremely disappointed if I found out he was like that. Because I personally hate guys who are like that. :puke: :lol: I'd always be fan of his music...and of the artist side of his. But if I would have known he's a player I would have been like "Eeeew...don't come anywhere near me!" :puke: :lol: I doubt he was though. Never got that impression. Well, except that I still can't get over him going out with Lisa and kissing her on the mouth in public while he was married to Debbie and Debbie was PREGNANT. That was the only time during my whole decades of having been a fan where I was like "Gosh, Michael what the F**K are you doing??!!! What were you THINKING???!!!" :doh: :puke: But then I thought maybe it was just for publicity and Debbie knew and was okay with it...the only way I would find it okay was if everyone involved knew it was just for publicity. (Because if Lisa didn't know, it would have been mean towards her to use her for that, and if Debbie didn't know it would have been mean towards her.) Anyways, just MY opinion. But like I said, on the other hand he's free to do what he wants. But I just personally didn't like it too much. To me it was an "eeew" :puke: moment. You know like, "didn't you say you hated what your brothers and father did? Why are you out kissing your ex on the mouth when you are married to someone else?" :scratch: Couldn't figure that one out. Unless, like I said, it was just for publicity, then I'd be cool with it.

[Lainy]

I confess that I never stopped to make this link between the girl of Dangerous and Who is it, oh and now Dirty Diana??

But very interesting! Is there some other connection!? hum .. I will look more now on!


Originally Posted by 8701girl
But hey im sure mike loved having all these women sedcuing him

I also think hehhe! ;D

[8701girl]

Michael's a playa? :bugeyed :mello: sorry but I can't be lovin' a playa, that's out of the question! -_- LOL


GO GANGSTA MICHAEL! :punk:......:P no only kidding

[Lily]

GO GANGSTA MICHAEL! :punk:......:P no only kidding

So silly :lol:

I'm only kidding too. He's so beautiful and sweet with a gentle heart I couldn't picture him hurting any woman he was in love with. :girl_sigh: :cry:

[tha]

This is one of the reasons I love him so much. :wub:

:wub: :wub: :wub:

"Montinho" in Mike! :hug:


Yeah, and what's interesting is that he seems to put all the blame on the women. Like it doesn't take two people to get involved into cheating. :scratch:Like "Oh women are so awful. All they do is seduce poor men and the men have no choice but to have sex with them. It's all the women's fault". Like he seems to think one can't expect a man to be faithful and say NO? :mello: :scratch:Like, "It was not MY fault. SHE seduced me. It's HER fault. I had NO CHOICE." :ph34r: :lol:

I guess he got sick of seeing what went on with his brothers and his father when he was little. It was probably too much for him to bear and to understand. And I can see how he'd become to dislike "overly seductive" women and be weary of women because of what he saw in his childhood. And knowing how much he adored his mother and how the "other women" hurt her mother and his brother's wives...I can see how he'd "hate those kind of women" even though his father and brother of course did their part in the whole thing too and chose not to be faithful. Because like I said, it takes two people...But it's understandable he'd put the blame on the women because they were the "reason" why his mother was hurting, even though it was just as much his father's fault too.

I don't think so! If it were so, he would hate women! And he did not seem to hate women, on the contrary, he really valued us! ;)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yeah, and what's interesting is that he seems to put all the blame on the women. Like it doesn't take two people to get involved into cheating. :scratch:Like "Oh women are so awful. All they do is seduce poor men and the men have no choice but to have sex with them. It's all the women's fault". Like he seems to think one can't expect a man to be faithful and say NO? :mello: :scratch:Like, "It was not MY fault. SHE seduced me. It's HER fault. I had NO CHOICE." :ph34r: :lol:

I guess he got sick of seeing what went on with his brothers and his father when he was little. It was probably too much for him to bear and to understand. And I can see how he'd become to dislike "overly seductive" women and be weary of women because of what he saw in his childhood. And knowing how much he adored his mother and how the "other women" hurt her mother and his brother's wives...I can see how he'd "hate those kind of women" even though his father and brother of course did their part in the whole thing too and chose not to be faithful. Because like I said, it takes two people...But it's understandable he'd put the blame on the women because they were the "reason" why his mother was hurting, even though it was just as much his father's fault too.

We ... have ... a ... winner!:clapping::punk:

[Ashtanga]

I guess he got sick of seeing what went on with his brothers and his father when he was little. It was probably too much for him to bear and to understand. And I can see how he'd become to dislike "overly seductive" women and be weary of women because of what he saw in his childhood. And knowing how much he adored his mother and how the "other women" hurt her mother and his brother's wives...I can see how he'd "hate those kind of women" even though his father and brother of course did their part in the whole thing too and chose not to be faithful. Because like I said, it takes two people...But it's understandable he'd put the blame on the women because they were the "reason" why his mother was hurting, even though it was just as much his father's fault too.
Yes! And this type of woman never combine with Michael. Goes completely against the essence of it. :yes: Michael is different from all other men of this world. He is an amazing gentleman. :wub:






I don't think so! If it were so, he would hate women! And he did not seem to hate women, on the contrary, he really valued us! ;)


Value women and especially to true love. For Michael, a woman would never be an object. :)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

So silly :lol:

I'm only kidding too. He's so beautiful and sweet with a gentle heart I couldn't picture him hurting any woman he was in love with. :girl_sigh: :cry:


I know u were kidding but having mj as a "gangsta rapper guy" kinda well send me crazy!

[TialovesMJ]

GO GANGSTA MICHAEL! :punk:......:P no only kidding



:lol: .....

[8701girl]

Well, I think his baby may have swallowed that with that long-legged Diana chick

:huh: :blink:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

um...believed that line he threw at her when he was making excuses to his baby, like Summer suggested he might have made, on why he was with that Dirty Diana...
:scratch:-_-

[8701girl]

um...believed that line he threw at her when he was making excuses to his baby, like Summer suggested he might have made, on why he was with that Dirty Diana...


Oh ok , thanx for explaing

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[8701girl]

I think it's very possible these songs weren't about him personally.


You could be right bout that i reckon.

[summer]

:wub: :wub: :wub:

"Montinho" in Mike! :hug:



I don't think so! If it were so, he would hate women! And he did not seem to hate women, on the contrary, he really valued us! ;)

I didn't say he hated ALL women...I said he probably disliked the "overly seductive" type. Those who "threw themselves" at men...who were "easy"...and who knew exactly how to use their bodies to manipulate men to get what they want. You know THOSE type of women. Not all women. But then it was probably other type of women too who hurt him personally, later on in life (just think about Lisa..."She speaks the lines that can control my mind"...you know, she told Michael they'll have kids and she knew how much he wanted kids...yet she either lied or changed her mind once they were married and really hurt him). You know, women who were just after his money...women who were status seekers...who just wanted to be on TV...who'd go on TV to talk about him. Can't really blame him for having been weary because he had people trying to take an advantage of him and abusing his trust left, right and center over and over again. No wonder he had trust issues.

[tha]

I think it's very possible these songs weren't about him personally.


Exactly! :yes: And that's what I'm talking about! :)



I didn't say he hated ALL women...I said he probably disliked the "overly seductive" type. Those who "threw themselves" at men...who were "easy"...and who knew exactly how to use their bodies to manipulate men to get what they want. You know THOSE type of women. Not all women. But then it was probably other type of women too who hurt him personally, later on in life (just think about Lisa..."She speaks the lines that can control my mind"...you know, she told Michael they'll have kids and she knew how much he wanted kids...yet she either lied or changed her mind once they were married and really hurt him). You know, women who were just after his money...women who were status seekers...who just wanted to be on TV...who'd go on TV to talk about him. Can't really blame him for having been weary because he had people trying to take an advantage of him and abusing his trust left, right and center over and over again. No wonder he had trust issues.

Now yes!!:yes:



p.s.: sometimes my brain works to handle! :lol:

[8701girl]

I later on in life (just think about Lisa..."She speaks the lines that can control my mind"...you know, she told Michael they'll have kids and she knew how much he wanted kids...yet she either lied or changed her mind once they were married and really hurt him). You know, women who were just after his money...women who were status seekers...who just wanted to be on TV...who'd go on TV to talk about him. Can't really blame him for having been weary because he had people trying to take an advantage of him and abusing his trust left, right and center over and over again. No wonder he had trust issues.


Yeh i think mike felt most woman came to him only for his $$$ and not for his heart.

[tha]

Yeh i think mike felt most woman came to him only for his $$$ and not for his heart.

He was "looking for" women in the wrong place! If he had spent more time in Brazil ..... :rolleyes: :wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Yes! And this type of woman never combine with Michael. Goes completely against the essence of it. :yes: Michael is different from all other men of this world. He is an amazing gentleman. :wub:







Value women and especially to true love. For Michael, a woman would never be an object. :)

Yes, he is amazing and a gentleman, but women need to be put on a pedestal and made to feel special to her man. She needs to be made to feel like she is his queen. A man needs to feel special in a relationship also. I think he may have had a little side to him where he felt that if a woman disappointed him in any way (as happens in all relationships), she just confirmed what he had already felt about women, that they were evil and users and whatnot. Men can be evil also. I'm sure he disappointed women at times too. And, I would hope that he never compared his woman's love to his fans' love and say something like, "my fans love me more" because that would be so unfair and hurtful. They are two different relationships. It is easier for fans to never disappoint anyway because there are so many of them. When one drops off, there is always another right behind them to take their place. In a relationship, there is only one person you're involved with so when challenges happen (as will happen in all relationships), the loss is greater 'cause there was only one. Even when you are with your soulmate, things are never going to be perfect because the two people involved are not perfect. A woman needs to feel like she's number one. Not one in a million. I guess this would be one of the challenges that would come with loving an entertainer.

[8701girl]

He was "looking for" women in the wrong place! If he had spent more time in Brazil ..... :rolleyes: :wub:


Hey what about australia!!! :wild: ;)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

Yes, he is amazing and a gentleman, but women need to be put on a pedestal and made to feel special to her man. She needs to be made to feel like she is his queen. A man needs to feel special in a relationship also. I think he may have had a little side to him where he felt that if a woman disappointed him in any way (as happens in all relationships), she just confirmed what he had already felt about women, that they were evil and users and whatnot. Men can be evil also. I'm sure he disappointed women at times too. And, I would hope that he never compared his woman's love to his fans' love and say something like, "my fans love me more" because that would be so unfair and hurtful. They are two different relationships. It is easier for fans to never disappoint anyway because there are so many of them. When one drops off, there is always another right behind them to take their place. In a relationship, there is only one person you're involved with so when challenges happen (as will happen in all relationships), the loss is greater 'cause there was only one. Even when you are with your soulmate, things are never going to be perfect because the two people involved are not perfect. A woman needs to feel like she's number one. Not one in a million. I guess this would be one of the challenges that would come with loving an entertainer.

Wow! That was incredible, MP! Is exactly what a woman deserves! It would be great if Michael could teach other men how to love a woman! :wub:


Hey what about australia!!! :wild: ;)

Just a little.....:lol:

[summer]

This is all in fun. Actually, I agree with Summer that where he got his premise for these two songs about getting caught up with this type of woman, and consequently hurting the girl in your life, comes from what he had witnessed in others around him. I think it's very possible these songs weren't about him personally.

That's always the impression I got...that they were more about what he saw went on with his father and his brothers. Not to mention him having his share of "groupies" to deal with too no doubt. Except that it seems he never wanted to have anything to do with groupies because they were exactly the kind of females he didn't like. And he saw "through" them and knew what they wanted.

[Lily]

I know u were kidding but having mj as a "gangsta rapper guy" kinda well send me crazy!

Ah ha so you like those rough big pimpin guys????? LOL

Girlfriend that's nothin' but BAD news he may say to you they are nothing but JUST GOOD FRIENDS but let me tell you somethin' about that DIRTY DIANA she ain't nothin' but a SMOOTH CRIMINAL, so when he comes at you cryin' but baby please I JUST CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU it's all about THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL you need to tell that man sorry baby you thought you were slick but this LIBERIAN GIRL ain't takin' it and jump in your ride and SPEED DEMON the hell away from that MAN IN THE MIRROR all the while hollerin' you ain't ANOTHER PART OF ME any more so get to steppin' and LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!! :zformation: :girl_gthooh:

:girl_heartbroken:

:mello: Sorry I couldn't resist :lol:

[Ashtanga]

Hey, we need pictures to illustrate this discussion. Directly from my image archive MJ:


http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/9392/003jk.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4941/002xl.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1593/020k.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2930/012zsr.jpg

:wild: :wild: :wild: :wub: :wub: :wub:

[Lainy]

I didn't say he hated ALL women...I said he probably disliked the "overly seductive" type. Those who "threw themselves" at men...who were "easy"...and who knew exactly how to use their bodies to manipulate men to get what they want. You know THOSE type of women. Not all women. But then it was probably other type of women too who hurt him personally, later on in life (just think about Lisa..."She speaks the lines that can control my mind"...you know, she told Michael they'll have kids and she knew how much he wanted kids...yet she either lied or changed her mind once they were married and really hurt him). You know, women who were just after his money...women who were status seekers...who just wanted to be on TV...who'd go on TV to talk about him. Can't really blame him for having been weary because he had people trying to take an advantage of him and abusing his trust left, right and center over and over again. No wonder he had trust issues.

It's true :yes: Summer!

"Thrown" women don't type of Michael, in my opinion, I think for conquer he, they would have to be very specials, I don't mean physically (beauty) but in their attitudes ...
Michael is special, sensitive, deserves a woman with these same qualities

Wow!!! :wild: MP!!
Perfect post!!!

Lily you're very fun :D

Ash Gorgeous pics!! :wub:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ashtanga]

Yes, he is amazing and a gentleman, but women need to be put on a pedestal and made to feel special to her man. She needs to be made to feel like she is his queen. A man needs to feel special in a relationship also. I think he may have had a little side to him where he felt that if a woman disappointed him in any way (as happens in all relationships), she just confirmed what he had already felt about women, that they were evil and users and whatnot. Men can be evil also. I'm sure he disappointed women at times too. And, I would hope that he never compared his woman's love to his fans' love and say something like, "my fans love me more" because that would be so unfair and hurtful. They are two different relationships. It is easier for fans to never disappoint anyway because there are so many of them. When one drops off, there is always another right behind them to take their place. In a relationship, there is only one person you're involved with so when challenges happen (as will happen in all relationships), the loss is greater 'cause there was only one. Even when you are with your soulmate, things are never going to be perfect because the two people involved are not perfect. A woman needs to feel like she's number one. Not one in a million. I guess this would be one of the challenges that would come with loving an entertainer.
:wild: :wild: :wild:

You were so perfect. I'm speechless. :wub: Today the award goes to you! :clapping::D


*I loved the siggy. :yes:

[tha]

ashtanga
OMG! OMG! OMG!

Don't you know that I have a weak heart? :girl_heartbroken: :mello:


Hey, all's good in this thread...gansta Mike, playa Mike, shy Mike, traditional kinda of guy Mike...I think he found it fun that no one really knew for sure.

And since no one really knows we can go ahead and use our imaginations and have fun in here. Sometimes after I post something I think, "Now-that-was-creative-and-probably-not-based-on-truth-at-ALL". And I have even heard afterwards a song come into my mind, by the Temptations...

It was just my imagination once again...

but should I be so harsh on myself for using my imagination?

Now that makes me think of a song I really, really like called, Pure Imagination, very pretty song...

There is no
Life I know
To compare with
Pure imagination
Living there
You'll be free
If you truly wish to be


So let's keep having fun. :)

:yes:

[summer]

Yes, he is amazing and a gentleman, but women need to be put on a pedestal and made to feel special to her man. She needs to be made to feel like she is his queen. A man needs to feel special in a relationship also. I think he may have had a little side to him where he felt that if a woman disappointed him in any way (as happens in all relationships), she just confirmed what he had already felt about women, that they were evil and users and whatnot. Men can be evil also. I'm sure he disappointed women at times too. And, I would hope that he never compared his woman's love to his fans' love and say something like, "my fans love me more" because that would be so unfair and hurtful. They are two different relationships. It is easier for fans to never disappoint anyway because there are so many of them. When one drops off, there is always another right behind them to take their place. In a relationship, there is only one person you're involved with so when challenges happen (as will happen in all relationships), the loss is greater 'cause there was only one. Even when you are with your soulmate, things are never going to be perfect because the two people involved are not perfect. A woman needs to feel like she's number one. Not one in a million. I guess this would be one of the challenges that would come with loving an entertainer.

Great post, MP! :yes: I mean, it's hard to know what he was like in a relationship or what he wanted or expected from his "significant other" and why things didn't work out. I am sure there were things he could have done differently as well...because no one is perfect. And I guess one needs to be willing to compromise too since ther will ALWAYS be things you will disagree on to some level, no matter how perfect you are for each other...and if both are stubborn it will be extremely difficult to make it work. What I'm also thinking about is for example the issue with children in MJ's and Lisa's marriage. You know, if it maybe wasn't so "black and white" that one said no and one yes. It's clear MJ wanted kids...and Lisa had said to him she wanted them too. But what if Lisa wanted to wait a while, maybe a year or so to have a solid base and THEN have kids...and MJ took it as her having lied to him and that she meant she NEVER wants to have kids. Or what if MJ was not willing to wait and was like "No I want them NOW!". And needless to say, I think any woman would walk away if their husband would "organize to have kids" with some other woman. Maybe if MJ and Lisa would have taken their time with the relationship, it would have had a better chance. I mean, didn't Lisa say they dated 4 months before they got married? And then they were married for like 16 months (and from that 16 months MJ was out of Lisa's reach (according to Lisa) for 6 weeks). Anyways...maybe the problem was that they just kind of rushed into things and maybe didn't communicate well...or were not willing to compromise. Or maybe it just wasn't meant to be and maybe she wasn't "the one" after all? Who knows. :scratch:I mean, MJ said to the rabbi that he is not an easy person to live with because he's like a rolling stone and is constantly on the move. But I think if it was the "right one", that would not be a problem. That would probably have to be the compromise and "sacrifice" she needs to make. Then again, who's to say she can't be someone who likes to do that as well? So it wouldn't even be a problem. Anyways the point is that BOTH need to be willing to work on things in order for it to work and both need to be willing to compromise. Question is...was he willing? Or did he have a "my way or the highway" mentality when it came to things and decisions in the relationships? :scratch:Because ANY relationship would be bound to fail if both were not equal. Or maybe someone would go along for a WHILE....but trouble would most definately be programmed for the future if it were like that because I can't see anyone being happy if only the other person's wishes were being fulfilled and one always had to be the "yes person". I mean, how could anyone be happy if what they thought and wanted didn't count? How could that ever be a happy, harmonious relationship? Anyways, I truly think though that when it's the "right one" things fall into place.

[Ashtanga]

ashtanga
OMG! OMG! OMG!

Don't you know that I have a weak heart? :mello:

You do not like to feel strong emotions? :scratch:-_-

Just look at the pictures of Michael... lol! :wild: :wub:

Glad you commented. I thought nobody liked them. lol! :wild:

[Ashtanga]

Great post, MP! :yes: I mean, it's hard to know what he was like in a relationship or what he wanted or expected from his "significant other" and why things didn't work out. I am sure there were things he could have done differently as well...because no one is perfect. And I guess one needs to be willing to compromise too since ther will ALWAYS be things you will disagree on to some level, no matter how perfect you are for each other...and if both are stubborn it will be extremely difficult to make it work. What I'm also thinking about is for example the issue with children in MJ's and Lisa's marriage. You know, if it maybe wasn't so "black and white" that one said no and one yes. It's clear MJ wanted kids...and Lisa had said to him she wanted them too. But what if Lisa wanted to wait a while, maybe a year or so to have a solid base and THEN have kids...and MJ took it as her having lied to him and that she meant she NEVER wants to have kids. Or what if MJ was not willing to wait and was like "No I want them NOW!". And needless to say, I think any woman would walk away if their husband would "organize to have kids" with some other woman. Maybe if MJ and Lisa would have taken their time with the relationship, it would have had a better chance. I mean, didn't Lisa say they dated 4 months before they got married? And then they were married for like 16 months (and for that 16 months MJ was out of Lisa's reach (according to Lisa) for 6 weeks). Anyways...maybe the problem was that they just didn't communicate well...or were not willing to compromise maybe it just wasn't meant to be and maybe she wasn't "the one" after all? Who knows. :scratch:I mean, MJ said to the rabbi that he is not an easy person to live with because he's like a rolling stone and is constantly on the move. But I think if it was the "right one", that would not be a problem. That would probably have to be the compromise and "sacrifice" she needs to make. Then again, who's to say she can't be someone who likes to do that as well? So it wouldn't even be a problem. Anyways the point is that BOTH need to be willing to work on things in order for it to work and both need to be willing to compromise. Question is...was he willing? Or did he have a "my way or the highway" mentality when it came to relationships? :scratch:
It's soooooooo simple... -_- When the "two" people really love each other, love overcomes all barriers in a relationship. The two, together, they found the exit to overcome this barrier and overcome any obstacles that may arise in the middle of the road.

"Love overcomes virtually everything... ALWAYS." :cheeky:

[tha]

You do not like to feel strong emotions? :scratch:-_-

Just look at the pictures of Michael... lol! :wild: :wub:

Glad you commented. I thought nobody liked them. lol! :wild:

Even if I do not want it, even if I do not like it, Michael makes me feel strong emotions, only to hear his name my heart now shoot! :wub:
It is impossible for anyone not like it! ;)


One of the pics that take my breath:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5949/34266703.jpg

:wub:



It's soooooooo simple... -_- When the "two" people really love each other, love overcomes all barriers in a relationship. The two, together, they found the exit to overcome this barrier and overcome any obstacles that may arise in the middle of the road.

"Love overcomes virtually everything... ALWAYS." :cheeky:

:clapping:

[Lily]

So I finally listened to 2 more songs today "Beautiful Girl" and "Hold My Hand" because Michaels voice in both songs was stuck in my head over and over and I needed it out. -_- What I found interesting is the tone in MJ's voice. In "Beautiful Girl" he doesn't sound in love to me :mello: he sounds so sad, more like he's longing to be in love and maybe it's the tone of voice he was going for but it's very different than the energy in the most current new song we've heard "Hold My Hand". I wonder what this new single is going to sound like? Hmmmmm.....



Hey, all's good in this thread...gansta Mike, playa Mike, shy Mike, traditional kinda of guy Mike...I think he found it fun that no one really knew for sure.

And since no one really knows we can go ahead and use our imaginations and have fun in here. Sometimes after I post something I think, "Now-that-was-creative-and-probably-not-based-on-truth-at-ALL". And I have even heard afterwards a song come into my mind, by the Temptations...

It was just my imagination once again...

but should I be so harsh on myself for using my imagination?

Now that makes me think of a song I really, really like called, Pure Imagination, very pretty song...

There is no
Life I know
To compare with
Pure imagination
Living there
You'll be free
If you truly wish to be


So let's keep having fun. :)

So mysterious and intriguing.....I'll take them all wrapped in one with a big red bow on him please. :wub: lol