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MysteriousPhoenix

08-10-2009, 03:38 AM

Great post, MP! :yes: I mean, it's hard to know what he was like in a relationship or what he wanted or expected from his "significant other" and why things didn't work out. I am sure there were things he could have done differently as well...because no one is perfect. And I guess one needs to be willing to compromise too since ther will ALWAYS be things you will disagree on to some level, no matter how perfect you are for each other...and if both are stubborn it will be extremely difficult to make it work. What I'm also thinking about is for example the issue with children in MJ's and Lisa's marriage. You know, if it maybe wasn't so "black and white" that one said no and one yes. It's clear MJ wanted kids...and Lisa had said to him she wanted them too. But what if Lisa wanted to wait a while, maybe a year or so to have a solid base and THEN have kids...and MJ took it as her having lied to him and that she meant she NEVER wants to have kids. Or what if MJ was not willing to wait and was like "No I want them NOW!". And needless to say, I think any woman would walk away if their husband would "organize to have kids" with some other woman. Maybe if MJ and Lisa would have taken their time with the relationship, it would have had a better chance. I mean, didn't Lisa say they dated 4 months before they got married? And then they were married for like 16 months (and from that 16 months MJ was out of Lisa's reach (according to Lisa) for 6 weeks). Anyways...maybe the problem was that they just kind of rushed into things and maybe didn't communicate well...or were not willing to compromise. Or maybe it just wasn't meant to be and maybe she wasn't "the one" after all? Who knows. :scratch:I mean, MJ said to the rabbi that he is not an easy person to live with because he's like a rolling stone and is constantly on the move. But I think if it was the "right one", that would not be a problem. That would probably have to be the compromise and "sacrifice" she needs to make. Then again, who's to say she can't be someone who likes to do that as well? So it wouldn't even be a problem. Anyways the point is that BOTH need to be willing to work on things in order for it to work and both need to be willing to compromise. Question is...was he willing? Or did he have a "my way or the highway" mentality when it came to things and decisions in the relationships? :scratch:Because ANY relationship would be bound to fail if both were not equal. Or maybe someone would go along for a WHILE....but trouble would most definately be programmed for the future if it were like that because I can't see anyone being happy if only the other person's wishes were being fulfilled and one always had to be the "yes person". I mean, how could anyone be happy if what they thought and wanted didn't count? How could that ever be a happy, harmonious relationship? Anyways, I truly think though that when it's the "right one" things fall into place.

I hate to say it, but he probably was a kinda "my way or the highway" kind of guy. He probably wanted what he wanted and when he wanted it too! Well, he was raised getting a lot from a kid so he probably didn't know any better to a certain extent.

And, tha, awww, what a cute pic of MJ! Sooooo cuuuuute! You just wanna pinch his cheeks!:)

Lisha

08-10-2009, 03:38 AM

:popcorn:

Lily

08-10-2009, 03:40 AM

Was it a message to his princess? :girl_sigh:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/03/Enchanted_071224033850782_wideweb__300x375.jpg

http://www.mjinnocencebracelets.com/a7%20sh.JPG

You give me BUTTERFLIES inside.......:girl_in_love:

Lainy

08-10-2009, 03:41 AM

It's soooooooo simple... -_- When the "two" people really love each other, love overcomes all barriers in a relationship. The two, together, they found the exit to overcome this barrier and overcome any obstacles that may arise in the middle of the road.

"Love overcomes virtually everything... ALWAYS." :cheeky:

Yes Ash I agree "Love overcomes virtually everything"
But in practice this's not so easy, yet more in the life of Michael, he's a gentleman without a doubt, but he's a human being has weaknesses, and in the relationships, will exist always barriers, conflicts, LOVE's all in relationship, but if we don't know how to cultivate he's dies ...

tha

08-10-2009, 03:43 AM

I hate to say it, but he probably was a kinda "my way or the highway" kind of guy. He probably wanted what he wanted and when he wanted it too! Well, he was raised getting a lot from a kid so he probably didn't know any better to a certain extent.

And, tha, awww, what a cute pic of MJ! Sooooo cuuuuute! You just wanna pinch his cheeks!:)

I think that "my way or highway" of him an interesting feature! Seduce me more! :wub:

Pinch his cheeks?! This is the simplest I want to do with him! :rolleyes:

Lisha

08-10-2009, 03:48 AM

:popcorn:

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 03:49 AM

I hate to say it, but he probably was a kinda "my way or the highway" kind of guy. He probably wanted what he wanted and when he wanted it too! Well, he was raised getting a lot from a kid so he probably didn't know any better to a certain extent.
First, she should know who she is relating. A relationship with a celebrity is not easy. It would need to be like Michael and be very, very, very strong. People have flaws and never, never change people our way. We must learn to live with the defects and mostly always understand. This is not impossible and difficult when there is a sincere and true love between two people. :cheeky:

Princesses and Prince Charming does not exist in real life, only the stories of fairy tales. :)

Yes Ash I agree "Love overcomes virtually everything"
But in practice this's not so easy, yet more in the life of Michael, he's a gentleman without a doubt, but he's a human being has weaknesses, and in the relationships, will exist always barriers, conflicts, LOVE's all in relationship, but if we don't know how to cultivate he's dies ...

This is also simple... -_- Just find the right person to be with us. God is in charge. When you find the soul mate and these two people truly love, it is hard not to give this relationship. The basis of any relationship, is dialogue (and true love), if that does not exist between the couple, never will work. Nothing is difficult and complicated life, people who are. People put obstacles and difficulties at all and therefore in the end nothing can succeed. :)

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 03:50 AM

Lainy

08-10-2009, 03:53 AM

I think that "my way or highway" of him an interesting feature! Seduce me more! :wub:

Pinch his cheeks?! This is the simplest I want to do with him! :rolleyes:

:lmao: :hysterical: Very good!!!

I don't speak nothing :wild::lmao:

tha

08-10-2009, 03:55 AM

Princesses and Prince Charming does not exist in real life, only the stories of fairy tales. :)

Yes, Prince Charming doesn't exist in real life .... In real life exist "King". This King:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8930/33172602.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

MysteriousPhoenix

08-10-2009, 03:56 AM

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 04:00 AM

:wild: I loooooooooooove "Beautiful Girl"! I think I love it because of that unique sound. You're right queen g, it does sound like something from the past kinda like "The Girl Form Eponema" or something unique like that. It is just so unique and refreshing!
:scratch: The Girl From Ipanema????

The girl from Ipanema -Tom Jobim

Composers: Antonio Carlos Jobim / Vinicius de Moraes / Norman Gimbel

Tall and tan and young and lovely
The girl from Ipanema goes walking
And when she passes, each one she passes goes "a-a-ah!"
When she walks she's like a samba that
Swings so cool and sways so gentle,
That when she passes, each one she passes goes "a-a-ah!"
Oh, but I watch her so sadly
How can I tell her I love her?
Yes, I would give my heart gladly
But each day when she walks to the sea
She looks straight ahead not at me
Tall and tan and young and lovely
The girl from Ipanema goes walking
And when she passes I smile, but she doesn't see
She just doesn't see
No she doesn't see

*The history of the song "The Girl From Ipanema":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Girl_from_Ipanema

Lily

08-10-2009, 04:02 AM

GOOD ONE!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

:lol: I'm so sleepy I'm getting goofy now LOL

Summer, thanks for sharing your thoughts; good stuff!

I remember a recent post of yours where you quoted a lyric from Beautiful Girl, so yeah, it's staying in your mind, isn't it? :) I wish AllForMj was here. I know she felt he very much DID sound in love there and I'd like to hear again why she felt that way...it's a nice contrast to your view. I personally don't know if I could identify that in his voice either way. I know I really like that song, Beautiful Girl, and I find interesting his choice of music style that's going on in that song...it almost seems blue grass to me? Something...something familiar sounding in my past...somehow, somewhere, hmmm, I dunno, where I heard music like that, but I like the sound of it in that song.

So you think he sounds more in love, Lily, in his verse in Hold My Hand? How about For All Time? What are your thoughts on that one?

Yes Beautiful Girl has been stuck for a couple days now :ph34r: I'm not sure why it sounds so different to me, he sounds like he's longing for love to me? In Hold My Hand he sounds more "if you jusssstttt" feeling an intense love.....or maybe I'm delusional right now from sleepiness :lol:

Can you wait until Christmas for that? :santa:

Awww thank you about my sea turtle, I had fun painting that one. :D

Now about that gift :cheeky:.....I'll wait forever.........................

Good night ladies I'm falling asleep at the computer lol, it's been fun..see you soon...............:sleeping:

tha

08-10-2009, 04:02 AM

Lainy

08-10-2009, 04:03 AM

wow! :woohoo:
Tha gorgeous!!!!
This's one of my favorite, I love this smiley he does! so cute! :wub:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7262/babyyalmedium.jpg :wub::wub:

tha

08-10-2009, 04:06 AM

Lully
*running in circles* :lol:

MysteriousPhoenix

08-10-2009, 04:06 AM

So then...would he have done best with a mousey little thing?

Ha! Ha! I can't see that either!

I detect some condescension? lol.

Nope! I just really, really like the picture! O.k., if pinching his cheeks offends him, I will just give him a hug!

Thanks ash, I just fixed the spelling of "Ipanema."

Lisha

08-10-2009, 04:07 AM

:popcorn:

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 04:07 AM

wow! :woohoo:
Tha gorgeous!!!!
This's one of my favorite, I love this smiley he does! so cute! :wub:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7262/babyyalmedium.jpg :wub::wub:
Michael, please, do not look that way to me... My heart can not take it! lol! :wub::wub::wub:

Lainy

08-10-2009, 04:11 AM

Somebody speak in Tom Jobim, Girl from Ipanema?? :wild:
I love Tom Jobim, today I was listening Wave!! so beautiful!! :wub:

Ash:Michael, please, do not look that way to me... My heart can not take it! lol! :wub:

It's truth!!! hahahaha I loveeeeeeeee:wub:

tha

08-10-2009, 04:15 AM

Wow! It was only one mention one Brazilian song and Brazilian girls were hyperactive here! :lol:

summer

08-10-2009, 04:25 AM

First, she should know who she is relating. A relationship with a celebrity is not easy. It would need to be like Michael and be very, very, very strong. People have flaws and never, never change people our way. We must learn to live with the defects and mostly always understand. This is not impossible and difficult when there is a sincere and true love between two people. :cheeky:

Princesses and Prince Charming does not exist in real life, only the stories of fairy tales. :)

This is also simple... -_- Just find the right person to be with us. God is in charge. When you find the soul mate and these two people truly love, it is hard not to give this relationship. The basis of any relationship, is dialogue (and true love), if that does not exist between the couple, never will work. Nothing is difficult and complicated life, people who are. People put obstacles and difficulties at all and therefore in the end nothing can succeed. :)

Very true, I agree. She would need to know what she was getting into. And also even though both need to "compromise", she would also have to understand and accept that there are some things Michael CAN'T do and can't compromise with. You know, he IS the most famous person on earth...he can't change that and it's not really his fault that he can't go anywhere. So if she were like "Either we go out and go shopping in a supermarket, etc. like normal people or I'm OUT!" (okay that was a stupid example but I hope you get what I mean). You know, she would have to understand what kind of things come with his fame and that there are safety concerns and the paparazzi lurking around, etc. And also that SHE would be part of it all, whether she wanted or not, and that she most likely would need to make huge adjustments and probably learn to "watch out" what she tells and to whom because before it may have just been someone else in the office who heard what was going on in her relationship if she told a "friend"...but with Michael it could easily end up the WHOLE WORLD knowing if she told the wrong person. You know, if she could not understand the privacy concerns or was not willing to adjust, it would never work. Or even with another celebrity...if both were stubborn and like "No...MY career is more important and you HAVE to go to this event with me and promote this thing I am promoting for this and this company or else I'm gone!", etc. Like I've said before, I really don't envy Michael because it must have been SO DIFFICULT to find someone because there were so many things that needed to be considered. I mean, not only did it have to be someone whom he found attractive and sweet and that he really liked...she also had to be someone who was not interested in his money or fame or trying to use him to get their own career going...but at the same time it had to be someone who also understood the stuff that came with his fame and that even though both need to compromise, certain things Michael could NOT compromise with. And I actually think travelling is part of it...He said he was not an easy person to live with because of the travelling part, but I think it should have been clear as day to ANYONE who got involved with him that travelling a LOT would be a necessary part. I mean, he was an entertainer who did tours, concerts, charity stuff, short films, recorded albums...how can you expect him to do all that in one city? :doh: :lol: Maybe MJ thought it would be a problem, but I can't see how it could have been because, like I said, it should have been clear to ANYONE from the very beginning that it is going to HAVE to be part of their lives. Even without MJ telling it. Unless you had spent your life under a rock and didn't know who he was and knew nothing about him and his life. :mello: :lol: So I guess certain things were not up for discussion and who ever was to get involved with MJ should have known that before it went any further. She should have known what she was getting herself into and that certain things she just HAS to accept or it won't work. And it's not MJ being selfish, but just because that is how his life is and there just isn't another way, even if MJ wanted. :scratch:

Oh and I love "Girl From Ipanema" too! :yes: What about Barry Manilow's "Copacabana"? I looove that one! :lol: "Her name was Lola...she was a show girl...with yellow feathers in her hair and her dress cut down to there..."...."Music and passion were always the fashion at the copaaaa...they fell in love....copaaa...copacabaaaanaaaaa"...:lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L_6lI2Dn1Y I love the instrumental part (from 3:16 on :lol:)!!! :lol:

No-Body

08-10-2009, 04:37 AM

Yes, Prince Charming doesn't exist in real life .... In real life exist "King". This King:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8930/33172602.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

Is that the face of a cheeky bugger or what? :D

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 04:39 AM

Very true, I agree. She would need to know what she was getting into. And also even though both need to "compromise", she would also have to understand and accept that there are some things Michael CAN'T do and can't compromise with. You know, he IS the most famous person on earth...he can't change that and it's not really his fault that he can't go anywhere. So if she were like "Either we go out and go shopping in a supermarket, etc. like normal people or I'm OUT!" (okay that was a stupid example but I hope you get what I mean). You know, she would have to understand what kind of things come with his fame and that there are safety concerns and the paparazzi lurking around, etc. And also that SHE would be part of it all, whether she wanted or not, and that she most likely would need to make huge adjustments and probably learn to "watch out" what she tells and to whom because before it may have just been someone else in the office who heard what was going on in her relationship if she told a "friend"...but with Michael it could easily end up the WHOLE WORLD knowing if she told the wrong person. You know, if she could not understand the privacy concerns or was not willing to adjust, it would never work. Or even with another celebrity...if both were stubborn and like "No...MY career is more important and you HAVE to go to this event with me and promote this thing I am promoting for this and this company or else I'm gone!", etc. Like I've said before, I really don't envy Michael because it must have been SO DIFFICULT to find someone because there were so many things that needed to be considered. I mean, not only did it have to be someone whom he found attractive and sweet and that he really liked...she also had to be someone who was not interested in his money or fame or trying to use him to get their own career going...but at the same time it had to be someone who also understood the stuff that came with his fame and that even though both need to compromise, certain things Michael could NOT compromise with. And I actually think travelling is part of it...He said he was not an easy person to live with because of the travelling part, but I think it should have been clear as day to ANYONE who got involved with him that travelling a LOT would be a necessary part. I mean, he was an entertainer who did tours, concerts, charity stuff, short films, recorded albums...how can you expect him to do all that in one city? :doh: :lol: Maybe MJ thought it would be a problem, but I can't see how it could have been because, like I said, it should have been clear to ANYONE from the very beginning that it's is going to HAVE to be part of their lives. Even without MJ telling it. Unless you had spent your life under a rock and didn't know who he was and knew nothing about him and his life. :mello: :lol: So I guess certain things were not up for discussion and who ever was to get involved with MJ should have known that before it went any further. She should have known what she was getting herself into and that certain things she just HAS to accept or it won't work. And it's not MJ being selfish, but just because that is how his life is and there just isn't another way, even if MJ wanted. :scratch:

Oh and I love "Girl From Ipanema" too! :yes: What about Barry Manilow's "Copacabana"? I looove that one! :lol: "Her name was Lola...she was a show girl...with yellow feathers in her hair and her dress cut down to there..."...."Music and passion were always the fashion at the copaaaa...they fell in love....copaaa...copacabaaaanaaaaa"...:lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L_6lI2Dn1Y I love the instrumental part (from 3:16 on :lol:)!!! :lol:

You have completed what I said. If there is true love accompanied by understanding and dialogue (and true love), never will work. Relationship with a celebrity is delicate. Why the person is surrounded by people and it is very difficult to trust someone 100%. You're afraid, "she is that person is with me that really loves me or with me for who I am and what I have?" How totally trust this person? There are people who wear masks and hide their true character and this is very dangerous. Unfortunately, in the world there are bad people. For any celebrity that is always difficult to see: find someone who is totally honest and transparent with you. But not impossible... :)

*You would love Copacana, Ipanema and everywhere in Rio de Janeiro. :wild:

summer

08-10-2009, 04:41 AM

Is that the face of a cheeky bugger or what? :D

I know! :lol: It's SO CUTE!! :wub: Makes you wanna chase him down and tickle him until he begs for mercy! :lol: :lol:

tha

08-10-2009, 04:46 AM

I know! :lol: It's SO CUTE!! :wub: Makes you wanna chase him down and tickle him until he begs for mercy! :lol: :lol:

Willingness to squeeze him! :wub:

Lainy

08-10-2009, 04:50 AM

I know! :lol: It's SO CUTE!! :wub: Makes you wanna chase him down and tickle him until he begs for mercy! :lol: :lol:

Oh It's truth!!! :lol:

I love when he's smiling!:wub:

summer

08-10-2009, 04:52 AM

*You would love Copacana, Ipanema and everywhere in Rio de Janeiro. :wild:

My dad went to Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo years ago (1989) and stayed for two weeks. He showed a lot of pictures when he came back and it was really beautiful (well, some areas were less beautiful and he told me how he and his business partners had bought some kids on the streets clothes because it broke their hearts to see them in rags. So they asked their guide if it's okay to give them stuff and then just walked into a store and bought some clothes, etc. for them.) And he brought back several albums of Brazilian music too. When ever I hear that sort of music it reminds me of my dad. I was not THAT happy with his trip to Brazil back then because it was exactly when my Confirmation was (a religious thing) and he was not there because of his business trip. I was like "How can you go on a business trip during my CONFIRMATION?? :rant: It only happens once in a person's life time!". :( But then on the other hand I knew Brazil is an amazing country and it's a "once in a lifetime" opportunity also to get a more or less "paid vacation" to Brazil, so I was happy for him too, even though I was upset that he won't be at my Confirmation. But my dad really loved Brazil. But he said it was crazy how HUGE the cities were. :lol:

tha

08-10-2009, 05:05 AM

My dad went to Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo years ago (1989) and stayed for two weeks. He showed a lot of pictures when he came back and it was really beautiful (well, some areas were less beautiful and he told me how he and his business partners had bought some kids on the streets clothes because it broke their hearts to see them in rags. So they asked their guide if it's okay to give them stuff and then just walked into a store and bought some clothes, etc. for them.) And he brought back several albums of Brazilian music too. When ever I hear that sort of music it reminds me of my dad. I was not THAT happy with his trip to Brazil back then because it was exactly when my Confirmation was (a religious thing) and he was not there because of his business trip. I was like "How can you go on a business trip during my CONFIRMATION?? :rant: It only happens once in a person's life time!". :( But then on the other hand I knew Brazil is an amazing country and it's a "once in a lifetime" opportunity also to get a more or less "paid vacation" to Brazil, so I was happy for him too, even though I was upset that he won't be at my Confirmation. But my dad really loved Brazil. But he said it was crazy how HUGE the cities were. :lol:

Brazil has a "ugly side" as anywhere in the world and we fight every day, we make it possible for this aspect of our country to be healed! If you have the opportunity to one day come to Brazil, you got to know that you'll never regret it! Not only because of the nature beauty blessed by God, but because we Brazilians are very receptive, warm, happy, friends! And even if we are full of problems, we are always seeing the bright side of things! Because that is how life should be! We must not turn its back on for the problems, but we should see what's good in everything! ;)

SoS

08-10-2009, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/grunge/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2263284#post2263284)
Well, both the "Dangerous" girl and "Dirty Diana" are both similar, they are both seductresses, but I don't get that impression from the "Who Is It" girl. She just left his life for one reason or another. Two completely different things.
That's true. A lot of people don't notice these nuances.

Except where they both took his money and his time...

(I love bringing things full circle) well, since you do, you might like to notice that this is another one of those nuances that goes unnoticed inthat when you watch MJ singing it whether on the Who Is It short film or on Oprah, his lips show that he's saying, "I gave my money, I gave my/her time" (whichever one chooses lol cause its beside the point for now) and the only reason I point that out is because it really doesn't necessarily mean she 'took' his money or his time (:cheeky: doncha just miss me to no end? :giggle: miss u too LOL remember feel/will/feel/will?? LOL) .... I know it may seem a bit nit picky but its just a distinguishing nuance imho. :)

Speaking of nuances and the song Dangerous, it was pointed out some time back on MJNO, by some of those guys who study the music and the sessions and such in depth, that the song Dangerous is a revamp of the song, Streetwalker, same beat and rythem, different lyrics and story and when I listened very carefully I was blown away because I could see what they were saying and yet Streetwalker was completely unrecognizable. It made me wonder if he changed the song because perhaps the subject (girl) in the song maybe "changed" on him, or put more plainly, whether this one who he wanted to "come so easy" may have turned out to have made him feel that she was "dangerous" instead and he made a whole story out of it? :scratch: :giggle: or not

but the girl in Who Is It, he seems to be upset with her, angry with her (maybe... dare I say, unreasonably?) for going away without an explanation. Based on the lyrics, we don't know if that girl did anything wrong at all, do we? to me what's even more unreasonable (than for MJ to make all the 'assumptions' "brother", "friend of mine" or that its someone else at all) is that many listeners assume this is the case based on the images they get from those lyrics, when it is a song about him being clueless of what happened ... but he seemed to have revamped those assumptions on the next album because "you never said goodbye" is now met with a lot of compassion so it seems by "your burdens I will bear" which indicates he figured out that she had sorrows of her own unrelated to him) at any rate yes ... I find that kind of interesting ... not to mention the short film and the song are totally not related .. oh well...tangent sorry

Oh and I love "Girl From Ipanema" too! :yes: What about Barry Manilow's "Copacabana"? I looove that one! :lol:I love Girl from Ipanema too ever since I was a kid! I always changed the lyrics to fit the fact that I'm a girl :giggle:

my favorite Rio song is, "when my baby smiles at me I go to RIO

- de GEN-E-RO! :giggle: love that

Justus I remember your post and it was very poingnant and after I posted my wish that Shabuya and MP would repost those thoughts I left for the day then remembered that I'd left you out, but yes, your points were well made and I agree 100% with everything you said. I feel its what MJ really wants folks to be focused on. :yes:

When I first heard Beautiful Girl it reminded me of something from a Gene Kelly movie like Singing In the Rain. I could just see MJ on a street alone in front of "her" house just singing that song like a soliloquy, swinging himself around a light post as he sings, or like On the Street Where You Live, from My Fair Lady. That old fashioned serenading sound. Like he's talking to himself out loud and decided to share it with us.

MysteriousPhoenix

08-10-2009, 06:47 AM

SoS

08-10-2009, 06:49 AM

Hey! Excellent point there, SoS! In one song, she took and in the other song, he gave! Seems like a subtle difference, yet it makes all the difference in the world!:yes: It really does :yes:
and its funny because its as subtle as a hairline

I've noticed that MJ's music has to be listened to very VERY carefully

he's so slick with it :giggle:

MysteriousPhoenix

08-10-2009, 07:13 AM

It really does :yes:
and its funny because its as subtle as a hairline

I've noticed that MJ's music has to be listened to very VERY carefully

he's so slick with it:giggle:

He shore is!:giggle:

summer

08-10-2009, 07:20 AM

That's true. A lot of people don't notice these nuances.

well, since you do, you might like to notice that this another one of those nuances that go unnoticed inthat when you watch MJ singing it whether on the Who Is It short film or on Oprah, his lips show that he's saying, "I gave my money, I gave my/her time" (whichever one chooses lol cause its beside the point for now) and the only reason I point that out is because it really doesn't necessarily mean she 'took' his money or his time (:cheeky: doncha just miss me to no end? :giggle: miss u too LOL remember feel/will/feel/will?? LOL) .... I know it may seem a bit nit picky but its just a distinguishing nuance imho. :)

Speaking of nuances and the song Dangerous, it was pointed out some time back on MJNO, by some of those guys who study the music and the sessions and such in depth, that the song Dangerous is a revamp of the song, Streetwalker, same beat and rythem, different lyrics and story and when I listened very carefully I was blown away because I could see what they were saying and yet Streetwalker was completely unrecognizable. It made me wonder if he changed the song because perhaps the subject (girl) in the song maybe "changed" on him, or put more plainly, whether this one who he wanted to "come so easy" may have turned out to have made him feel that she was "dangerous" instead and he made a whole story out of it? :scratch: :giggle: or not

to me what's even more unreasonable (than for MJ to make all the 'assumptions' "brother", "friend of mine" or that its someone else at all) is that many listeners assume this is the case based on the images they get from those lyrics, when it is a song about him being clueless of what happened ... but he seemed to have revamped those assumptions on the next album because "you never said goodbye" is now met with a lot of compassion so it seems by "your burdens I will bear" are indicating he knew she had sorrows of her own unrelated to him) at any rate yes ... I find that kind of interesting ... not to mention the short film and the song are totally not related .. oh well...tangent sorry

I love Girl from Ipanema too ever since I was a kid! I always changed the lyrics to fit the fact that I'm a girl :giggle:

my favorite Rio song is, "when my baby smiles at me I go to RIO

- de GEN-E-RO! :giggle: love that

Justus I remember your post and it was very poingnant and after I posted my wish that Shabuya and MP would repost those thoughts I left for the day then remembered that I'd left you out, but yes, your points were well made and I agree 100% with everything you said. I feel its what MJ really wants folks to be focused on. :yes:

When I first heard Beautiful Girl it reminded me of something from a Gene Kelly movie like Singing In the Rain. I could just see MJ on a street alone in front of "her" house just singing that song like a soliloquy, swinging himself around a light post as he sings, or like On the Street Where You Live, from My Fair Lady. That old fashioned serenading sound. Like he's talking to himself out loud and decided to share it with us.

Aaaah, now why did you have to go mention Singing In The Rain and Gene Kelly! :lol: :lol: Singing In The Rain is my FAVORITE movie of ALL TIME!!!! I have seen it a MILLION times but I could still watch it over and over and OVER again! :lol: :lol: I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE it!! :wub::wub::wub: And I love Gene Kelly movies....there's so much ROMANCE in the movies. Real romance...not the vulgar kind you get these days, with the "Hey baby!" *slap butt* but the subtle, sweet romance. :wub: The real old-fashioned "gentleman-like"..."courtship" type. :wub: You know...sort of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqsrVQfNYPc :wub: :lol: Or here's another scene I love from Summer Stock: (Watch from about 3:00 on..Can't you totally picture MJ talking about show business in that one, instead of Gene. :lol:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NNsD7qbJis :yes: Actually talking about romance and "cheaters" and "groupies" and Gene Kelly...I read this in a book about Gene Kelly ("A life of dance and dreams" by Alvin Yudkoff) and I loved it about him:

"But from the start he was not one to take advantage of his power in his relationships with aspiring dance partners or students and did his best to discourage any attitudes of adoration. He had already observed too many club owners using casting-couch maneuvors and promises as a lure to sexual involvement. His own up-bringing with his mother and sisters had fostered an attitude of old-fashioned gallantry which was to stay with him all his life, despite constant temptations and a few regrettable relapses."

Also, there were a lot of things that kind of reminded me of Michael too..Like this part:

"It was by no means the first time he demonstrated his extraordinary affinity for working with children, his gift for surrounding an activity with an athmosphere of fun laughs and adventure."...."It was something right out of the Pied Piper, the way the kids followed him around, would try anything he wanted them to try.". :)

Anyways...not sure what my point was, but you mentioning Gene Kelly got my attention! :cheers: :lol:

P.S. Check out Gene Kelly's feet in the Summer Stock video...Notice anything familiar? :D (Hint: it's 3 things)

SoS

08-10-2009, 07:49 AM

^ :yes: I love Gene Kelly too!! Great GREAT stuff! :) and I TOTALLY know what you mean about the similiarities. Oh you have made me want to watch some Gene Kelly movies now!!! :giggle: Thanks for posting.

:scratch: did Beautiful Girl not remind you of a Gene Kelly movie too when you first heard it? :huh:

:) it so did me
Hey! Excellent point there, SoS! In one song, she took and in the other song, he gave! Seems like a subtle difference, yet it makes all the difference in the world!

What's so interesting to me about the song "You Are Not Alone" is the fact that he didn't write it. It's like it took a third party coming in (R. Kelly in this case) to help him see that.
Yes, it is interesting. I read that R. Kelly had submitted another song to MJ - something with a very different type of sound and 'story' - and MJ listened to it only once and gave it back to him and told him it wasn't what he was looking for and that R.K. resubmitted what turned out to be the YANA we know.

I think I read that in Michael Jackson the Solo Years by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead. If I recall correctly from my conversation with Chris (a few years ago ... 2006 or 7 ... ) Adrian Grant had something to do with it as well, I don't recall if he did the forward or reviewed it, assisted with it or what, but Chris sent me a copy out of kindness and I read it - it's very interesting - (also Michael Jackson The Early Years) full of all kinds of session details. His latest is For the Record - all about the music. I keep saying I'm going to get it and keep forgetting. (can read about Adrian Grant here : http://www.mjworld.net/news/2009/05/28/interview-with-adrian-grant/ )

Chris and Craig are both avid fans among those I had mentioned who had researched the sessions and such. He had been a member here and still may be - I just can't recall his username right now.

:scratch: At least I'm pretty sure that's where I read that - its so late and I'm feeling kind of loopy now - hope I'm not getting it mixed up with something else like maybe ... :scratch: can't imagine what LOL!! at any rate, its easy enough to look it up once I unpack the book from storage in a few weeks. I met Chris on a forum called the MJ Vault which i used to belong to and I may have read it on there because that kind of thing was what The Vault was all about . . . but yes, that is indeed interesting. R. Kelly also wrote Cry which I never would have dreamed was written by anyone else but MJ. Its so him...his philosophy and all, to a T. but I do believe the books are worth checking out. :)

Apparantly R. Kelly was very good at 'channelling' for MJ - that takes a very special talent :yes:

Ape

08-10-2009, 08:02 AM

Very true, I agree. She would need to know what she was getting into. And also even though both need to "compromise", she would also have to understand and accept that there are some things Michael CAN'T do and can't compromise with. You know, he IS the most famous person on earth...he can't change that and it's not really his fault that he can't go anywhere. So if she were like "Either we go out and go shopping in a supermarket, etc. like normal people or I'm OUT!" (okay that was a stupid example but I hope you get what I mean). You know, she would have to understand what kind of things come with his fame and that there are safety concerns and the paparazzi lurking around, etc. And also that SHE would be part of it all, whether she wanted or not, and that she most likely would need to make huge adjustments and probably learn to "watch out" what she tells and to whom because before it may have just been someone else in the office who heard what was going on in her relationship if she told a "friend"...but with Michael it could easily end up the WHOLE WORLD knowing if she told the wrong person. You know, if she could not understand the privacy concerns or was not willing to adjust, it would never work. Or even with another celebrity...if both were stubborn and like "No...MY career is more important and you HAVE to go to this event with me and promote this thing I am promoting for this and this company or else I'm gone!", etc. Like I've said before, I really don't envy Michael because it must have been SO DIFFICULT to find someone because there were so many things that needed to be considered. I mean, not only did it have to be someone whom he found attractive and sweet and that he really liked...she also had to be someone who was not interested in his money or fame or trying to use him to get their own career going...but at the same time it had to be someone who also understood the stuff that came with his fame and that even though both need to compromise, certain things Michael could NOT compromise with. And I actually think travelling is part of it...He said he was not an easy person to live with because of the travelling part, but I think it should have been clear as day to ANYONE who got involved with him that travelling a LOT would be a necessary part. I mean, he was an entertainer who did tours, concerts, charity stuff, short films, recorded albums...how can you expect him to do all that in one city? :doh: :lol: Maybe MJ thought it would be a problem, but I can't see how it could have been because, like I said, it should have been clear to ANYONE from the very beginning that it is going to HAVE to be part of their lives. Even without MJ telling it. Unless you had spent your life under a rock and didn't know who he was and knew nothing about him and his life. :mello: :lol: So I guess certain things were not up for discussion and who ever was to get involved with MJ should have known that before it went any further. She should have known what she was getting herself into and that certain things she just HAS to accept or it won't work. And it's not MJ being selfish, but just because that is how his life is and there just isn't another way, even if MJ wanted. :scratch:

Oh and I love "Girl From Ipanema" too! :yes: What about Barry Manilow's "Copacabana"? I looove that one! :lol: "Her name was Lola...she was a show girl...with yellow feathers in her hair and her dress cut down to there..."...."Music and passion were always the fashion at the copaaaa...they fell in love....copaaa...copacabaaaanaaaaa"...:lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L_6lI2Dn1Y I love the instrumental part (from 3:16 on :lol:)!!! :lol:
Just regarding the bold part. One can know in their head how it may be and what things would have to change, but until one experiences it, can they ever really know? We can all think we'd love to be his girlfriend or wife or what not, but till we actually experienced it, how would we even know? There are so many things in life that you could have a preconceived notion of how it will be and if you'd enjoy it or hate it, but as mom always told me about liking and trying new food, you'll never know until you try it. So we had to take one bite, then we could leave it or love it. Strange analogy I suppose but it can relate to any part of life. Until you try something, you can only guess how it will be.

I also wanted to tell you Summer, that I love the Summer Stock snippet you posted. Really enjoyed watching that.

summer

08-10-2009, 10:09 AM

Just regarding the bold part. One can know in their head how it may be and what things would have to change, but until one experiences it, can they ever really know? We can all think we'd love to be his girlfriend or wife or what not, but till we actually experienced it, how would we even know? There are so many things in life that you could have a preconceived notion of how it will be and if you'd enjoy it or hate it, but as mom always told me about liking and trying new food, you'll never know until you try it. So we had to take one bite, then we could leave it or love it. Strange analogy I suppose but it can relate to any part of life. Until you try something, you can only guess how it will be.
I also wanted to tell you Summer, that I love the Summer Stock snippet you posted. Really enjoyed watching that.

I agree that one can't know what the RELATIONSHIP in itself is like without getting to know the person first and seeing if you get along, etc. What I meant though with the MJ travelling and moving a lot part were fundamental differences like moving vs.not moving, kids vs.no kids, working vs. staying at home, etc. You know that it was OBVIOUS to the outside world that he was always "on the go", so THAT part should have never come as a "surprise" to anyone. I mean, who knows, maybe MJ could have "settled down" and decided to live the rest of his life day after day, month after month, year after year, in the same house/city/country. Who knows. BUT....in MY opinion that would be wishful thinking on her part. You can HOPE he'll do that...but if you look at his life, it doesn't look like he stays in one place much. Which is why I said that it should come as no surprise to ANYONE that he moves around a lot. And that way I think she could not go "Well, I love you but either you stay in this place for the rest of your life or I'm out", because it should have already been clear to her from the beginning that he moves around a lot. And she can of course wish and hope that he'll change that, but if he doesn't, she can't really blame him. Because she should have known what she was getting into to. Sort of like when people have a relationship with someone even though there are things that completely irritate them and are complete "deal breakers" and "no go's" for them, and they still marry that person thinking "Oh he'll change. Give me a few months and I'll change that." Or they think "Well if he LOVES me...he'll change that and do what I want." You know what I mean? I only brought the moving around part up because I read MJ said he would be so "difficult to live with" bcase of that, but I think it would have only been difficult to someone who would absolutely NOT want to travel a lot or live in different places. If one was like that, yes it woudl be VERY tough. But at the same time , if one was like that, I'd wonder what that person was doing with MJ and how that person was planning on making that relationship work? If she doesn't want to move and he HAS to travel a lot because of work and he WANTS to move around a lot. How will that ever work? Especially if neither of them are into long distance relationships. :scratch: :lol: Sort of same thing if you know the other one wants kids and the other one ABSOLUTELY does NOT...how will that work in the long run? You can hope you'll be able to change that person's mind, but if it doesn't happen, can you blame the other person if you knew from the beginning what their opinion was? (I mean, if you know from the beginning how they feel. Not them telling you one thing and then changing their mind after wards or lying you about it). Or if you knew you wanted to work after having kids and he'd be totally against it and would want his wife to stay home...how would that one work? Unless you would give in and stay home but then be unhappy and bitter about it and blame him for it or keep working and then fight about it constantly because he was unhappy. How could that ever work and be a harmonius relationship? (If one of them can imagine "giving in" then there is no problem, I'm talking about when you KNOW you can NOT imagine your life without and know you could never be truly happy if you gave in.)I know it's not "romantic" to think that way, but I do believe that in order for a relationship to work you have to be "realistic" as well. You can love someone and be head over heels in love...but if you are not wise and realistic about it and ignore fundamental differences (and with those I mean the kind I mentioned above...not the "he always leaves the toilet seat up, it drives me nuts" type of differences...:doh: :lol:), you are only setting yourself up for heartbreak in the future. But that's MY opinion. You know, same thing if it were some fan with MJ who had some "fantasy idea" of MJ. You'd think he is perfect and can do no wrong and you could keep ignoring the things that you were not cool with for only so long until they'd really start to get to you. And then what? You wake up one day and go "Gosh...actually he's not at ALL the way I thought he was IN MY MIND". Instead of being realistic and having your eyes open from the beginning and go "This won't work. I love him..but this will never work" and save yourself (and him) from unnecessary heartbreak. Anyways, maybe I'm not such a "romantic" after all because if I knew there are some huge differences between me and the guy, I'd never get in the relationship in the first place. If something was really important to me and an essential part of my life and I KNEW the guy had a COMPLETELY different view about it...WHAT would I be doing with him if I knew from the start that it will never work? That would be a bit unfair, don't you think? To me it would be naive to hope he'll change, besides I would not want to hurt him NOR myself and lead him on. But maybe that's just me. :scratch:Anyways, what do I know. :lol:

Justus

08-10-2009, 03:56 PM

Let me explain what happened, and you can do with this what you will. What happened is, in this tiny (MJJC board) corner of the world, time rolled back. . . . . . . So analyze THAT, you gentle people. . . ..

In practical terms, there was a massive technical glitch that changed everyone's name to DangerouZ. Amazing, an entire message board where everyone has the same name? Then, staff had to manually readmit everyone (those who went to the right thread and reapplied). We have twenty-thousand members! Then, when the data was restored, it was mistakenly restored only to October 2, as though that were the current date.

I'm presently getting PMs (arriving all the time), that I received, AND answered, last week. As though no time passed since October second. I sort of remember past posts, and others I'm sure are lost in the fogs of time. Memory is such a funny thing, isn't it?

Comments? (Oh, and Justus? I've been working on a little something. . . . )

Vic

Okay, Victoria. I guess I will see it when it's done?

And yeah, funny thing about time, and memory, huh? Gee.

And about the restoration of everything, I know you and all the other senior staff worked very, very hard, and it is very much appreciated. Bravo Zulu TRIPLE Awards, to ALL of you!

Lily

08-10-2009, 04:50 PM

Speaking of nuances and the song Dangerous, it was pointed out some time back on MJNO, by some of those guys who study the music and the sessions and such in depth, that the song Dangerous is a revamp of the song, Streetwalker, same beat and rythem, different lyrics and story and when I listened very carefully I was blown away because I could see what they were saying and yet Streetwalker was completely unrecognizable.

SoS this part of your post reminded of MJ's "Leave Me Alone". Whenever I hear the musical intro of it and Stevie Wonders "Superstition" it seems like they have similarities. Or maybe it's just my ears hmmmmm. :unsure: lol

SoS

08-10-2009, 05:09 PM

SoS this part of your post reminded of MJ's "Leave Me Alone". Whenever I hear the musical intro of it and Stevie Wonders "Superstition" it seems like they have similarities. Or maybe it's just my ears hmmmmm. :unsure: loljust thinking of the two songs right now, yes, I can see that :yes:

tha

08-10-2009, 05:36 PM

SoS this part of your post reminded of MJ's "Leave Me Alone". Whenever I hear the musical intro of it and Stevie Wonders "Superstition" it seems like they have similarities. Or maybe it's just my ears hmmmmm. :unsure: lol

just thinking of the two songs right now, yes, I can see that :yes:

Oh, yeah! It looks like similar! Just a little! ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZFf0pm0SE

summer

08-10-2009, 07:07 PM

Ape

08-10-2009, 07:21 PM

Summer, I knew that's what you were saying. I was saying that a person can believe they will have no problems with that lifestyle, and maybe even enjoy it. But until they experience it, how would they know? Sometimes compromise and adaptation is needed by both parties even if they've decided on something together. Because love is involved, two people should adapt to what works best for them as a couple.

Like your example of a mom staying home and not working after having children. If they both agreed to that, and she thought she'd be happy doing that, but found out a few years into it that she really wasn't happy doing that, then together they should find a workable solution because they care about each other. It's not all about only one person making all the adjustments and compromises. I do realize with Michael it is a bit different because even he can't .. (couldn't) escape his own life and fame, so that is something that they'd be mostly powerless over. .. maybe.

I don't think anyone goes into a marriage with the thought that it will be anything but forever. Yet still 50% of marriages end in divorce, and only 25% are happily married. Those are some sad statistics. People do have to try to be as realistic as possible before jumping into something, yet still there will be unknowns. Till those things are experienced first hand, you can imagine any outcome.

So whomever he was with would have to have been someone pretty unique and special for it to work, and he'd have to adapt as well, but hopefully if they are/were meant for each other (I hate talking past tense here.. so you'll just have to excuse that from me for speaking present tense if I do) they could find ways to overcome all of those difficulties. But that's what love gives us right? The reason and courage and strength to get through those difficulties and challenges that will come up. If two people have that love for each other, then they work selflessly for their relationship and find the best solution. If one of those parties is purely selfish in it, then there is no way it can work with a happy outcome.

I don't know if this was any clearer or not.

summer

08-10-2009, 08:00 PM

Ashtanga

08-10-2009, 08:40 PM

Thanks ash, I just fixed the spelling of "Ipanema."

Thanks! :D I loved the nickname you gave me: "Ash". lol! :wub: :wild:

No-Body

08-10-2009, 08:47 PM

When I first heard Beautiful Girl it reminded me of something from a Gene Kelly movie like Singing In the Rain.

SoS I wouldn't have made that association, but THANK YOU ever so much for reminding me about Gene Kelly's genius.

Summer, thank you also for posting the youtube link. I think I am about to flood you all with half the movie in utube links. It isn't my favorite movie of all time, but it certainly is my favorite musical.

Not only is the love story beautiful ( the ingredients of which include stellar dancing and acting, but also a tiny little lesson about prejudiced mindsets attaching labels to people before meeting them - Cathy talkin' about Don's movies "you've seen one, you've seen them all"), but it is also tremendously funny.

Filming the dueling cavalier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6jsXQm5IrM&feature=related and then the preview disaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6CuBK0cgX4&feature=related No, no, no, yes, yes, yes LOOOL

Another great number - Moses supposes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKlub5vB9z8 A rose is what Moses supposes his toe is LOL again. And in a funny kinda way, I actually bought today a pair of earings in the shape of roses in a peachy tone and a silver cross pendant with a red rose in the middle of it. I love it when things connect so randomly.

And then there is also Donald o'Conner's amazing 'make them laugh' number, which puts a comical twist on a very ancient archetype - that of the artist as the 'clown' put to entertain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oWk4ZiuSHE&feature=related How does he sing? You could charm the critics and have nothing to eat, but slip on a banana and you have the world at your feet. Isn't that what we did to Michael when 'we' asked he sang Billie Jean and Thriller, when he proabably wanted us to focus more on Heal the world and We've had enough? I don't know, I'm just sayin.....Mind you, in his case even the critics hated Heal the world, so his was an even more difficult struggle to be heard.

I don't even need to mention the most famous scene of the movie - Gene's 'solo' where his zest for life, his supreme artistry not only as a singer and an actor, but most of all as choreographer are in full, awesome effect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkEvy-9yVyQ&feature=related That cop coming to disturb the fun does look familiar, doesn't he? Speed demon any1?

And of course, being on the tube, one cannot help but make all sort of connections. A Fred Astaire vid wasn't far behind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gB0UNey-Uk There is also a 7 mins version including images from Moonwalker, but the editing is not as great. Smooth criminal is very, very special to me, because it includes the first ever images I saw of Michael. He had me at the :cheeky: I can't wait to see the new vision for the song and the performance in TII.

Watching the video, I remembered the ending credits to the movie. I hadn't listened to them in years. It is such a haunting rhythm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faXBr5H9QMc&feature=related So very beautiful. The moon is dancing, indeed.

Autumn II

09-10-2009, 12:48 AM

Has any of you seen the movie "The Time Traveler's Wife"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUDlMBR-dQ ). I just saw it and I thought it goes so well with this whole thread. And I kept thinking "Imagine if MJ could do that? If he could time travel!". Anyways, check out the movie if you can. It's not one of the greatest movies ever (got the feeling it isn't really going anywhere stoy wise at times), but I loved the idea. I thought the idea was brilliant and beautiful. The ending of the movie will make you cry though.

I've not seen the film, but have read the book. I loved it, even though it was. . unsettling.

This thread is about love, and miracles, and magic, and faith, and symbols, and ideas. It's become addictive, if I may put it that way? It's like some sort of beautifully woven tapestry of many threads, of many colors. Some reach their ends. . seem to end. . but then are picked up again.

What if Michael could time-travel? Do you really think he can't? If we all cry at the same time? Does he need our help, in some way? What if he did?????

He was (is?) a human-being, but extremely inquisitive, sensitive, and had a love of learning. He was a very old soul. He was a spiritual person, and very advanced in that, I think. He was not perfect. .he was human. . but he was GOOD.

There are different kinds of "knowing." Right and left brain? We need BOTH. Michael was self-educated. He had a library of ten-thousand books! He knew a lot about a lot, in conventional ways. He also has said that his music did not COME from him. That he was just a conduit, somehow? I believe it. . . . I know it. I am a writer, and my writing comes that way, too. It just is what it is. But from where? The answer is different for different people, depending on culture and spiritual beliefs. Isn't it? But maybe from the same Source?

I won't say here what I think what really happened at the end, except. . he was so unfinished . . . ?

Time and memory are interesting? (There have been many times when I've "previewed" the future. I'm LIKE that, ok? It just is what it is. . .)

We go about in a bubble of the present. Always NOW. A series of "nows," like a line made of individual points, some erasing themselves as we move ever-forward, to be replaced by others. We remember so little, really, of yesterday and the yesterdays before that? A string of days that stretch BACK, into the past? Of all those days, conversations, events, we remember so little, really. In that string of days and moments, there are some that are indelible. The moment we heard of Michael's "passing" is one of those, for each of us, individually. It was like a threshold had been crosssed that shifted our world? I was actually amazed and encouraged that this thread continued? I used to lurk here. I had no idea how it would go forward, yet it has, and the tapestry of many colors continues.

I have a lot of education. I also believe.. BELIEVE. .in magic, very much. I think in this modern world, we are so science-driven, so commerce-driven, that we do not embrace the mysterious, nearly enough. We want to KNOW, exactly, when "exactly" may not always be possible? We need to find, again, the poetic and the mysterious, to be fully ourselves. I believe, that someday, everything that can be imagined. . can happen. Michael believed in/hoped for. . a healed world. I still think that can happen.

With all that said, maybe you can help me with something? There is a video I seem to have lost. About Michael. . like a collage. The song to it had the words, something like, "Do you know?. . you are so beautiful." And then images of Michael's face. The lyrics were also. . "All the way to the end," or something like that? A lot of the images were from the "Stranger in Moscow" era, in pics. I NEED to have this video again, so can you please help me find it? I've searched everywhere, but cannot find it. . . There was something to it. . a message.. that I've tried, and failed, to find again (lost when my computer crashed). Anyone know this one? Post a link?

Anyway. . . . . have a good evening, gentle people.

Vic

8701girl

09-10-2009, 01:39 AM

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 02:01 AM

The pictures today from my archives MJ:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/734/semttulonh.png

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4944/michaelya.jpg

Michael... sooooooo beautiful... :wub::wub::wub:

:wild::wild::wild:

Lainy

09-10-2009, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Victoria83
We need to find, again, the poetic and the mysterious, to be fully ourselves. I believe, that someday, everything that can be imagined. . can happen. Michael believed in/hoped for. . a healed world. I still think that can happen.

Your words are sweet and truthful, I also believe that someday, everything that can be imagined. . can happen.

Thanks for the post! :angel:

PS: wow!! Ash so beautiful!!! :wub: His eyes seem so sad! :( willingness to offer a hug
:wub: :wub:

8701girl

09-10-2009, 02:06 AM

OMG!! awesome pics ash! :wild: :wub:

tha

09-10-2009, 02:06 AM

ashtanga

And that's I'm talking about!!!

What a beautiful man!

:wub: :wub:

Autumn II

09-10-2009, 02:08 AM

Please, someone, help me find again the video I mentioned? Would be much appreciated.

With reference to my earlier post? I think so much of what is possible, has to do with BELIEF. I've seen that proven, so many times in my life. Or, suspension of disbelief?

Carry on,

Vic

8701girl

09-10-2009, 02:18 AM

Im not sure vic

I hope someone can help u :D

tha

09-10-2009, 02:38 AM

Autumn II

09-10-2009, 02:58 AM

I didn't find your other post, Vic. Which video are you looking for?

A lot of the imagery of the video was from Stranger in Moscow. I think it was a fan-made video? There was a woman singing. The lyrics, as I remember them, were something like: "You don't know. . you are so beautiful." And, "All the way to the end. . . ."

I used to have it bookmarked, but my computer crashed, and I lost it.

I've Googled nearly everything I can think of, but can't find it again. . but, I need to hear/see it again?

Anyone?

Thanks, in advance?

Vic

MysteriousPhoenix

09-10-2009, 03:27 AM

This thread is about love, and miracles, and magic, and faith, and symbols, and ideas. It's become addictive, if I may put it that way? It's like some sort of beautifully woven tapestry of many threads, of many colors. Some reach their ends. . seem to end. . but then are picked up again.

What a beautiful way to describe this beautiful thread! I believe we each contributed a thread to the tapestry and God so wonderfully wove all the pieces together!

What if Michael could time-travel? Do you really think he can't? If we all cry at the same time? Does he need our help, in some way? What if he did?????

Hmmm ...

I was actually amazed and encouraged that this thread continued? I used to lurk here. I had no idea how it would go forward, yet it has, and the tapestry of many colors continues.

I am not as amazed that it continued. After his "passing," I had always felt a gentle nudging and a still small voice that whispered, "You will continue ..." That's why, against all logical reasoning, whenever I saw it "dying," I intentionally bumped it back up again. I felt a very strong urging in my heart of hearts and spirit to keep it "alive." I knew it probably wouldn't make sense to a lot of people, but I figured God knew why it had to continue ... and that was good enough for me.

With all that said, maybe you can help me with something? There is a video I seem to have lost. About Michael. . like a collage. The song to it had the words, something like, "Do you know?. . you are so beautiful." And then images of Michael's face. The lyrics were also. . "All the way to the end," or something like that? A lot of the images were from the "Stranger in Moscow" era, in pics. I NEED to have this video again, so can you please help me find it? I've searched everywhere, but cannot find it. . . There was something to it. . a message.. that I've tried, and failed, to find again (lost when my computer crashed). Anyone know this one? Post a link?

Wow Vic! I really wish I could help you with this. Seems like you've got your heart set on it. If I find someone who knows about it, I'll let you know. Somebody around here has to know something about it.

Lainy

09-10-2009, 03:41 AM

I am not as amazed that it continued. After his "passing," I had always felt a gentle nudging and a still small voice that whispered, "You must continue ..." That's why, against all logical reasoning, whenever I saw it "dying," I intentionally bumped it back up again. I felt a very strong urging in my heart of hearts and spirit to keep it "alive." I knew it probably wouldn't make sense to a lot of people, but I figured God knew why it had to continue ... and that was good enough for me.

:yes::)

Wow Vic! I really wish I could help you with this. Seems like you've got your heart set on it. If I find someone who knows about it, I'll let you know. Somebody around here has to know something about this.

I would love to help, tried... but unsuccessfully, and I would love to see! :(

tha

09-10-2009, 03:42 AM

I am not as amazed that it continued. After his "passing," I had always felt a gentle nudging and a still small voice that whispered, "You must continue ..." That's why, against all logical reasoning, whenever I saw it "dying," I intentionally bumped it back up again. I felt a very strong urging in my heart of hearts and spirit to keep it "alive." I knew it probably wouldn't make sense to a lot of people, but I figured God knew why it had to continue ... and that was good enough for me.

The show must go on and Mike will be always in command! :rolleyes:

MysteriousPhoenix

09-10-2009, 03:57 AM

The show must go on and Mike will be always in command! :rolleyes:

Yeah, something like that!:lol:

tha

09-10-2009, 04:00 AM

Yeah, something like that!:lol:

"Something like that"?! Nooooo!!! THIS IS IT!!! :yes: :)

Hey, MP, I loved your new signature! ^_^

Sdeidjs

09-10-2009, 04:01 AM

Summer, I knew that's what you were saying. I was saying that a person can believe they will have no problems with that lifestyle, and maybe even enjoy it. But until they experience it, how would they know? Sometimes compromise and adaptation is needed by both parties even if they've decided on something together. Because love is involved, two people should adapt to what works best for them as a couple.

Like your example of a mom staying home and not working after having children. If they both agreed to that, and she thought she'd be happy doing that, but found out a few years into it that she really wasn't happy doing that, then together they should find a workable solution because they care about each other. It's not all about only one person making all the adjustments and compromises. I do realize with Michael it is a bit different because even he can't .. (couldn't) escape his own life and fame, so that is something that they'd be mostly powerless over. .. maybe.

I don't think anyone goes into a marriage with the thought that it will be anything but forever. Yet still 50% of marriages end in divorce, and only 25% are happily married. Those are some sad statistics. People do have to try to be as realistic as possible before jumping into something, yet still there will be unknowns. Till those things are experienced first hand, you can imagine any outcome.

So whomever he was with would have to have been someone pretty unique and special for it to work, and he'd have to adapt as well, but hopefully if they are/were meant for each other (I hate talking past tense here.. so you'll just have to excuse that from me for speaking present tense if I do) they could find ways to
overcome all of those
difficulties. But that's what love gives us right? The reason and courage and strength to get through those difficulties and challenges that will come up. If two people have that love for each other, then
they work selflessly for their relationship and find the best solution. If one of those parties is purely selfish in it, then there is no way it can work with a happy outcome.

I don't know if this was any clearer or not.

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Lainy

09-10-2009, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix
Yeah, something like that!

"Something like that"?! Nooooo!!! THIS IS IT!!! :yes: :)

Hey, MP, I loved your new signature! ^_^

Wow! It's good to find similar thoughts, here! :D
I like this ;D

Sdeidjs

09-10-2009, 04:07 AM

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 04:16 AM

I am not as amazed that it continued. After his "passing," I had always felt a gentle nudging and a still small voice that whispered, "You will continue ..." That's why, against all logical reasoning, whenever I saw it "dying," I intentionally bumped it back up again. I felt a very strong urging in my heart of hearts and spirit to keep it "alive." I knew it probably wouldn't make sense to a lot of people, but I figured God knew why it had to continue ... and that was good enough for me.
:) :cheers:

MysteriousPhoenix

09-10-2009, 04:24 AM

^:lol::lol::lol:

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 04:27 AM

^:lol::lol::lol:
:wild::wild::wild: :smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes: Silence....

tha

09-10-2009, 04:32 AM

^:lol::lol::lol:

:wild::wild::wild: :smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes::smilerolleyes: Silence....

I can't stay without laughing too

:lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao:

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 04:39 AM

I can't stay without laughing too

:lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao:

And I'll keep quiet, very quiet... :closedeyes:

tha

09-10-2009, 04:43 AM

And I'll keep quiet, very quiet... :closedeyes:

Oh, sure.....very quiet! :closedeyes: :rolleyes:

summer

09-10-2009, 05:04 AM

I've not seen the film, but have read the book. I loved it, even though it was. . unsettling.

This thread is about love, and miracles, and magic, and faith, and symbols, and ideas. It's become addictive, if I may put it that way? It's like some sort of beautifully woven tapestry of many threads, of many colors. Some reach their ends. . seem to end. . but then are picked up again.

What if Michael could time-travel? Do you really think he can't? If we all cry at the same time? Does he need our help, in some way? What if he did?????

He was (is?) a human-being, but extremely inquisitive, sensitive, and had a love of learning. He was a very old soul. He was a spiritual person, and very advanced in that, I think. He was not perfect. .he was human. . but he was GOOD.

There are different kinds of "knowing." Right and left brain? We need BOTH. Michael was self-educated. He had a library of ten-thousand books! He knew a lot about a lot, in conventional ways. He also has said that his music did not COME from him. That he was just a conduit, somehow? I believe it. . . . I know it. I am a writer, and my writing comes that way, too. It just is what it is. But from where? The answer is different for different people, depending on culture and spiritual beliefs. Isn't it? But maybe from the same Source?

I won't say here what I think what really happened at the end, except. . he was so unfinished . . . ?

Time and memory are interesting? (There have been many times when I've "previewed" the future. I'm LIKE that, ok? It just is what it is. . .)

We go about in a bubble of the present. Always NOW. A series of "nows," like a line made of individual points, some erasing themselves as we move ever-forward, to be replaced by others. We remember so little, really, of yesterday and the yesterdays before that? A string of days that stretch BACK, into the past? Of all those days, conversations, events, we remember so little, really. In that string of days and moments, there are some that are indelible. The moment we heard of Michael's "passing" is one of those, for each of us, individually. It was like a threshold had been crosssed that shifted our world? I was actually amazed and encouraged that this thread continued? I used to lurk here. I had no idea how it would go forward, yet it has, and the tapestry of many colors continues.

I have a lot of education. I also believe.. BELIEVE. .in magic, very much. I think in this modern world, we are so science-driven, so commerce-driven, that we do not embrace the mysterious, nearly enough. We want to KNOW, exactly, when "exactly" may not always be possible? We need to find, again, the poetic and the mysterious, to be fully ourselves. I believe, that someday, everything that can be imagined. . can happen. Michael believed in/hoped for. . a healed world. I still think that can happen.

With all that said, maybe you can help me with something? There is a video I seem to have lost. About Michael. . like a collage. The song to it had the words, something like, "Do you know?. . you are so beautiful." And then images of Michael's face. The lyrics were also. . "All the way to the end," or something like that? A lot of the images were from the "Stranger in Moscow" era, in pics. I NEED to have this video again, so can you please help me find it? I've searched everywhere, but cannot find it. . . There was something to it. . a message.. that I've tried, and failed, to find again (lost when my computer crashed). Anyone know this one? Post a link?

Anyway. . . . . have a good evening, gentle people.

Vic

What made me smile at the end of the movie was when they said something like "He is always right here". I can't remember the exact quote but it was something like that and it made me smile through the tears because I was thinking "Imagine if it was like that with Michael too!". Anyways, the idea in the movie was very intriguing and I loved it. I'm not sure how much of it could ever be possible, then again, I also always think that look at everything we know now and the technology we have now... al things we never thought were possible like only 20 years ago. I think there are still so much we don't know, and scientists have said that humans use only 10% of their actual brain capacity...Imagine if we used all 100% of it! Imagine the possibilities. :wild: :scratch:Anyways, I couldn't keep this thread out of my mind when I was watching that movie because it went so well with this thread, and I was like "Imagine if that was the 'Love in the dark'-story...If that was MJ and that LITD girl!"...(Was not sure I wanted it to be that at the end of the movie, but I liked the thought in the beginning).

Anyways, do I believe MJ could time travel? Well, I guess knowing what we know now technology wise and "science wise"...I'd say, the IDEA is beautiful...but no. But who knows for sure really what we are really capable of doing. Like I said, I am convinced there are amazing things we'll be able to do in the future when we learn to use our brains more efficiently. Also, has any of you heard about Dr. Emoto's experiment with water? "Messages from water"? He discovered that music, environment and even just THOUGHTS can effect the way water crystals form. Bad environment, angry music and negative thoughts made the water crystals become deformed and ugly...and beautiful music, and positive thoughts created the most beautiful water crystals. I thought that was fascinating. I mean, when you consider a human body consists about 70% out of water...imagine what his discovery means! Also, has any of you read the book "What the Bleep Do We Know"...or any "quantum physics" books written by some of the scientists? It's really fascinating stuff. I have several books that hve to do with quantum physics and all that and it is incrediably intrigueing, and a reason why I'm open to "what if's". Because these are top scientists who are studying and writing about all this stuff...not some random people who were just released from some mental institute. Anyways, I don't know what my point is, but check out some quantum physics books and read about the water thingy. And what did that one message from MJ say last year? "Higher consciousness...subconscious being God". :scratch: :cheers: It never hurts to "expand one's horizons" conscious wise, does it? I mean, how can the human mind EVER discover anything if we close our minds to new ideas. I bet that's what scientists do...dream "big" and go "Well what about this one?! Imagine if this was possible!" and then they examine it and see if it COULD be possible. You know, not censor thoughts about what they THINK could or could not be possible, but just let ANYTHING be possible in their mind for a while without censorship, and then go from there. Anyone follow me and know what I mean? :lol: *singing* "To dream the impossibile dream"...:lol:

THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM (from The Man of La Mancha)

To dream ... the impossible dream ...
To fight ... the unbeatable foe ...
To bear ... with unbearable sorrow ...
To run ... where the brave dare not go ...
To right ... the unrightable wrong ...
To love ... pure and chaste from afar ...
To try ... when your arms are too weary ...
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

This is my quest, to follow that star ...
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...
To fight for the right, without question or pause ...
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause ...

And I know if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest,
That my heart will lie will lie peaceful and calm,
when I'm laid to my rest ...
And the world will be better for this:
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

Im not really sure if i truly belive that there is "the one" ,but i do belive that respect & mutual love is the key to any relationship. Without that love just anit gonna work out - PERIOD! And it does help if u and that person share the same vaules & morals , i cuz it does bring two ppl closer togther and makes it easier to love one another. But if the there is such a thing called "soulmate" i say BRING IT ON!!! it would be nice to think that everyone on this wonderful planet has their own soulmate to love .

I do believe in soulmates and I do believe there is something that is "the one"...I'm just not sure if all of us are meant to get married and have kids. Maybe God had other things planned for some people...some other kind of "mission", for what ever reasons? I do believe things happen for a reason. :scratch: And i do believe all of us have some kind of "mission" and "purpouse" for being here, no matter how small and "insignificant" that "mission" might be. I mean, (and some may think this is absolutely stupid and insane, but I don't care, it's what I think)...do you know what just a simple smile can sometimes do? I think a lot of people are not aware of small things like that. So you know...what if your mission was for example to be in the right place at the right time to give that smile to someone who really needed it that moment. And that smile saved their life? Ad imagine if that person became something important later on...some revolutionary scientist who discovers the cure for some disease or something equally astonishing, and we would have lost that person, had it not been that one smile that gave him/her hope in human kind? It's just a random example, but I hope you know what I mean with "small things" that could have a huge impact for the whole world, even though those things might seem insignificant to us. I mean, how much does a smile cost? How much of your time does it take? Or something equally simple that takes none of our time nor money, but could mean the world to someone.

Anyways...just some random thoughts. I hope I don't sound like a complete "nut". :lol:

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 05:14 AM

I do believe in soulmates and I do believe there is something that is "the one"...I'm just not sure if all of us are meant to get married and have kids. Maybe God had other things planned for some people...some other kind of "mission", for what ever reasons? I do believe things happen for a reason. :scratch: And i do believe all of us have some kind of "mission" and "purpouse" for being here, no matter how small and "insignificant" that "mission" might be. I mean, (and some may think this is absolutely stupid and insane, but I don't care, it's what I think)...do you know what just a simple smile can sometimes do? I think a lot of people are not aware of small things like that. So you know...what if your mission was for example to be in the right place at the right time to give that smile to someone who really needed it that moment. And that smile saved their life? Ad imagine if that person became something important later on...some revolutionary scientist who discovers the cure for some disease or something equally astonishing, and we would have lost that person, had it not been that one smile that gave him/her hope in human kind? It's just a random example, but I hope you know what I mean with "small things" that could have a huge impact for the whole world, even though those things might seem insignificant to us. I mean, how much does a smile cost? How much of your time does it take? Or something equally simple that takes none of our time nor money, but could mean the world to someone.

I always say that everything in life does not happen by chance. Everything has a great significance. :yes: Small things sometimes or often are overlooked by people. :( It should not be so. Why is the little things that come the big things. :)

Everything would be unveiled easier, but then lose the grace of the mystery! ^_^
:doh: 10%? It is almost nothing. Hey, then the person has no brain. lol! The scientists are completely wrong. :yes:

tha

09-10-2009, 05:14 AM

I think there are still so much we don't know, and scientists have said that humans use only 10% of their actual brain capacity...Imagine if we used all 100% of it! Imagine the possibilities. :wild: :scratch:

Everything would be unveiled easier, but then lose the grace of the mystery! ^_^ And by the way...I love mystery!!! :)

I always say that everything in life does not happen by chance. Everything has a great significance. :yes: Small things sometimes or often are overlooked by people. :( It should not be so. Why is the little things that come the big things. :)

Everything happens because it has to happen! And everything is a test, a test of life! ;)

summer

09-10-2009, 05:18 AM

I always say that everything in life does not happen by chance. Everything has a great significance. :yes: Small things sometimes or often are overlooked by people. :( It should not be so. Why is the little things that come the big things. :)

Thank you, God, for everything,
The big things and the small.
For "every good gift comes from God"...
The giver of them all.
And all too often we accept, without any thanks or praise,
The gifts God sends as blessings, each day in many ways.
And so at this Thanksgiving Time, we offer up a prayer...
To thank you, God, for giving us a lot more than our share.

First, thank you for the little things
That often come our way,
The things we take for granted
But don't mention when we pray,
The unexpected courtesy, the thoughtful, kindly deed,
A hand reached out to help us in the time of sudden need.
Oh, make us more aware, dear God, of little daily graces
That come to us with "sweet surprise"
From never-dreamed-of places.

Then, thank you for the "Miracles"
We are much too blind to see,
And give us new awareness
Of our many gifts from Thee,
And help us to remember
That the Key of Life and Living
Is to make each prayer a Prayer of Thanks
And every day Thanksgiving

-Helen Steiner Rice

tha

09-10-2009, 05:21 AM

Thank you, God, for everything,
The big things and the small.
For "every good gift comes from God"...
The giver of them all.
And all too often we accept, without any thanks or praise,
The gifts God sends as blessings, each day in many ways.
And so at this Thanksgiving Time, we offer up a prayer...
To thank you, God, for giving us a lot more than our share.

First, thank you for the little things
That often come our way,
The things we take for granted
But don't mention when we pray,
The unexpected courtesy, the thoughtful, kindly deed,
A hand reached out to help us in the time of sudden need.
Oh, make us more aware, dear God, of little daily graces
That come to us with "sweet surprise"
From never-dreamed-of places.

Then, thank you for the "Miracles"
We are much too blind to see,
And give us new awareness
Of our many gifts from Thee,
And help us to remember
That the Key of Life and Living
Is to make each prayer a Prayer of Thanks
And every day Thanksgiving

-Helen Steiner Rice

:rolleyes: ^_^ Amen!!

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 05:21 AM

MysteriousPhoenix

09-10-2009, 05:32 AM

THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM (from The Man of La Mancha)

To dream ... the impossible dream ...
To fight ... the unbeatable foe ...
To bear ... with unbearable sorrow ...
To run ... where the brave dare not go ...
To right ... the unrightable wrong ...
To love ... pure and chaste from afar ...
To try ... when your arms are too weary ...
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

This is my quest, to follow that star ...
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...
To fight for the right, without question or pause ...
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause ...

And I know if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest,
That my heart will lie will lie peaceful and calm,
when I'm laid to my rest ...
And the world will be better for this:
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

Hey! This should be MJ's LITD's theme song!:lol::lmao:
j/k I've always loved this song! So inspirational. Thanks summer!

Lainy

09-10-2009, 05:37 AM

Summer your words are music to my ears!!! Very interesting your placing... Ah if everyone thought so .. (sigh)

THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM (from The Man of La Mancha)

To dream ... the impossible dream ...
To fight ... the unbeatable foe ...
To bear ... with unbearable sorrow ...
To run ... where the brave dare not go ...
To right ... the unrightable wrong ...
To love ... pure and chaste from afar ...
To try ... when your arms are too weary ...
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

This is my quest, to follow that star ...
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...
To fight for the right, without question or pause ...
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause ...

And I know if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest,
That my heart will lie will lie peaceful and calm,
when I'm laid to my rest ...
And the world will be better for this:
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

wow! That was enough for to have a good night's and sweet dreams ... Thanks!

summer

09-10-2009, 05:38 AM

Summer your words are music to my ears!!! Very interesting your placing... Ah if everyone thought so .. (sigh)

wow! That was enough for to have a good night's and sweet dreams ... Thanks!

Aaaaw thanks! :hug:

Lainy

09-10-2009, 06:01 AM

And in your smile, live my dreams :wub::wub:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/681/moonwalker14.jpg

Aaaaw thanks! :hug:

Thanks for the prayer :hug:
God bless you!:angel:

8701girl

09-10-2009, 09:06 AM

I can't stay without laughing too

:lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao:
I belive that laughter is one of the main factors of true happiness, as long as what ur laughing at is in good taste . Laughter brings love togther like plants need water, love wont work without a lil bit of laughter in it!

tha

09-10-2009, 01:23 PM

I belive that laughter is one of the main factors of true happiness, as long as what ur laughing at is in good taste . Laughter brings love togther like plants need water, love wont work without a lil bit of laughter in it!

Exactly! :yes:
I leave here a song from "Xuxa" (yes, my child side mastered me)

The secret of life is joy
What a simple laugh can give
Laughter is the best medicine
To end boredom
Who will not like

The sadness will stay out
And you raise your mood
Giving a laugh
It costs nothing
It's awesome

Is always young people who love to laugh
It's with nothing who knows only grumble
Live happily who makes the children smile
With good humor the world can change

Experience the joy
Experience the slapstick
Live the good humor
Long live the laughter

He, He, He
Ha, Ha, Ha
Que, Que, Que
Qua, Qua, Qua, Ra, Qua, Qua

:D

Xuxa and Michael
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2748/michaeljacksonexuxa.jpg

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 05:23 PM

Xuxa? :wild: OMG! lol! :doh:

Tha, you dig up these things from the bottom of the chest and I feel so old. lol! :wild:

*This picture of Xuxa with Michael kills me with envy (good). If I am not mistaken this picture was taken of the two in Chile. She also met Neverland. :( She said that day they talked a lot about the world and the children and watch movies together in his cinema Neverland.

I remember a few years ago she gave an interview talking about this meeting of the two. She said had saved the lollypop or ball (not remember) that Michael gave her. I do not know if she keeps up today. I would keep forever as a souvenir. :)

tha

09-10-2009, 05:34 PM

Xuxa? :wild: OMG! lol! :doh:

Tha, you dig up these things from the bottom of the chest and I feel so old. lol! :wild:

*This picture of Xuxa with Michael kills me with envy (good). If I am not mistaken this picture was taken of the two in Chile. She also met Neverland. :(

I also feel old when my mind brings those memories! (hey, this makes me remeber "it's not old, just older" :) !) How long, right?! ^_^

Yes, this picture was taken in Chile! And look at the Xuxa's face of silly! :D
I also feel a little envy (good), Ash! Not only of Xuxa, but everyone had the chance to meet Michael! :closedeyes:

I remember a few years ago she gave an interview talking about this meeting of the two. She said had saved the lollypop or ball (not remember) that Michael gave her. I do not know if she keeps up today. I would keep forever as a souvenir. :)

Me too! :yes: :lol:

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 05:38 PM

I also feel a little envy (good), Ash! Not only of Xuxa, but everyone had the chance to meet Michael! :closedeyes:
Please, do not remind me of that little detail. lol! :closedeyes: :wild: :(

tha

09-10-2009, 05:45 PM

Please, do not remind me of that little detail. lol! :closedeyes: :wild: :(

A BIG little detail! :lol:

Blessed are those who knew Michael Jackson! :rolleyes2:

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 06:19 PM

Blessed are those who knew Michael Jackson! :rolleyes2:
And sad and unfortunate ones who did not know Michael. I am an example. :(
(http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR&source=translation_link)

summer

09-10-2009, 06:26 PM

And sad and unfortunate ones who did not know Michael. I am an example. :(

You're in good company. I never got to meet him either. :cry: I saw him close up a few times, but that's not equal to "meeting" him because he was close by only for a few seconds and we didn't talk. :( Those who got to meet him and talk to him are so lucky. Wish I could have met him. Even just once. :cry:

tha

09-10-2009, 06:36 PM

And sad and unfortunate ones who did not know Michael. I am an example. :(
(http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR&source=translation_link)
:( :(

You're in good company. I never got to meet him either. :cry: I saw him close up a few times, but that's not equal to "meeting" him because he was close by only for a few seconds and we didn't talk. :( Those who got to meet him and talk to him are so lucky. Wish I could have met him. Even just once. :cry:

I already feel very happy if only I would have come near him! The maximum that I get was getting on the door of the stadium when he made the show here in Brazil! :(

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 06:48 PM

You're in good company. I never got to meet him either. :cry: I saw him close up a few times, but that's not equal to "meeting" him because he was close by only for a few seconds and we didn't talk. :( Those who got to meet him and talk to him are so lucky. Wish I could have met him. Even just once. :cry:
You at least got close to him for a few seconds. And I never saw him up close and far from? Michael was 3 times in my country and I could never go to a show of it. God was not through with me. My situation is worse than yours. lol! :wild: :(The American fans are very lucky.

For comfort, plus a picture of my archive MJ:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3107/2hz4kmg.jpg

Michael may not have known all their fans personally. But he felt all our love, respect and admiration for him. So, remember that Michael always loved and always love us unconditionally. So, for that simple fact we should feel happy and honored by Michael's love for us. :D :wub:

tha

09-10-2009, 06:55 PM

You at least got close to him for a few seconds. And I never saw him up close and far from? Michael was 3 times in my country and I could never go to a show of it. God was not through with me. My situation is worse than yours. lol! :wild: :(The American fans are very lucky.

Yeah!! Our situation is worse, Ash! We was so close to him but so far.... :(

For comfort, plus a photo of my archive MJ:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3107/2hz4kmg.jpg

I love you more, Angel! :wub:

Michael may not have known all their fans personally. But he felt all our love, respect and admiration for him. So, remember that Michael always loved and always love us unconditionally. So, for that simple fact we should feel happy and honored by Michael's love for us. :D :wub:

I'm feel very happy and honored!!

For Michael:

"Just like a star across my sky
Just like an angel off the page
You have appeared to my life
Feel like I'll never be the same
Just like a song in my heart
Just like oil on my hands
Honor to love you"

:wub: :wub: :wub:

summer

09-10-2009, 07:08 PM

:( :(

I already feel very happy if only I would have come near him! The maximum that I get was getting on the door of the stadium when he made the show here in Brazil! :(

You at least got close to him for a few seconds. And I never saw him up close and far from? Michael was 3 times in my country and I could never go to a show of it. God was not through with me. My situation is worse than yours. lol! :wild: :(The American fans are very lucky.

For comfort, plus a picture of my archive MJ:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3107/2hz4kmg.jpg

Michael may not have known all their fans personally. But he felt all our love, respect and admiration for him. So, remember that Michael always loved and always love us unconditionally. So, for that simple fact we should feel happy and honored by Michael's love for us. :D :wub:

I'm very grateful that I got to see him as many times as I did and close up too. I'll always have the memories to look back to and they always make me smile. They will always be very dear to me...very precious to me. And I will always keep those memories close to my heart. But still, I always wished I could have gotten to meet Michael and talk to him for a while and maybe get to hear what he thought about things...You know, it would have been interesting to know what his take on some things were and fun to know if his thoughts were anything similar to mine. :scratch:I always wished I could get to meet him, but don't get me wrong, I really REALLY appreciate just having been able to see him too! I really do appreciate it and understand I was very fortunate. And I feel truly grateful for it. I really really do. :yes:

tha

09-10-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm very grateful that I got to see him as many times as I did and close up too. I'll always have the memories to look back to and they always make me smile. They will always be very dear to me...very precious to me. And I will always keep those memories close to my heart. But still, I always wished I could have gotten to meet Michael and talk to him for a while and maybe get to hear what he thought about things...You know, it would have been interesting to know what his take on some things were and fun to know if his thoughts were anything similar to mine. :scratch:I always wished I could get to meet him, but don't get me wrong, I really REALLY appreciate just having been able to see him too! I really do appreciate it and understand I was very fortunate. And I feel truly grateful for it. I really really do. :yes:

Yes, of course! :)
How much more we get, much more we want, right?! ;)

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 07:18 PM

summer

09-10-2009, 07:30 PM

Yes, of course! :)
How much more we get, much more we want, right?! ;)

In a way yes...but only because I thought he was an intelligent, insightful, kind, talented and fun person. At least that's the impression I got. That's why I always wished I could meet him and get to talk to him. Not because he was a superstar, but because I thought he was a person one could have learned a lot from and who really seemed to have such great insight into life, what's going on in the world, etc. He came across as such a smart, kind person and it would have been so great to have gotten the chance to talk to him for a while sometime. :scratch:And he seemed to be so much fun to be around too since he was a kid at heart. I always have loved people who are like that. Who are smart and with whom you can have great conversations with, but who can also kid and joke around. I love that quality in a person. Couldn't have been bothered to even dream about meeting him nor make any kind of effort if I would have thought he's an arrogant airhead. :puke: :lol:

tha

09-10-2009, 07:34 PM

In a way yes...but only because I thought he was an intelligent, insightful, kind, talented and fun person. At least that's the impression I got. That's why I always wished I could meet him and get to talk to him. Not because he was a superstar, but because I thought he was a person one could have learned a lot from and who really seemed to have such great insight into life, what's going on in the world, etc. He came across as such a smart, kind person and it would have been so great to have gotten the chance to talk to him for a while sometime. :scratch:And he seemed to be so much fun to be around too since he was a kid at heart. I always have loved people who are like that. Who are smart and with whom you can have great conversations with, but who can also kid and joke around. I love that quality in a person. Couldn't have been bothered to even dream about meeting him nor make any kind of effort if I would have thought he's an arrogant airhead. :puke: :lol:

I agree! :yes:
He is the kind of person we can talk about everything! If I had only half the intelligence that he has ..... ^_^

Lily

09-10-2009, 07:53 PM

Yeah, got ya now Ape. :lol: Thanks. :) And I agree (and like I said earlier already)...I truly think that when it's "the right one"...things will naturally fall into their place. I really believe that. :yes: But here's a question: Do you guys think that everyone is meant to be with someone? Or do you think some people have other purpouse of being here? I mean, you'd think that God would want everyone to feel truly loved and to be able to be with someone special...and feel special. Yet some people will go through life without being blessed with such love. So why do you think that is? Are they doing something wrong, or does God have other reasons and other kind of "mission" for those ones, instead of raising a family? :scratch:

What is LOVE? Hmmmmm.....

I think we all have our own definition of what LOVE is and yes I do believe we all have a significant purpose here on this earth and beyond. I don't know that I'm personally meant to have a husband and kids. I raised my friends daughter, I'm an auntie, I love my animals and that is one of my purposes in life, I LOVE them all unconditionally more than words could ever say. They make me happy and LOVE me in return as I am and without any expectations. If I'm gifted someday with meeting someone that shares the same ideals, morals, etc.. with me, that's fine with me, if not that's ok to. I don't need a man for my life to go on. :) My thoughts on relationship, well I've put many of those in the "True Love" thread in the RT section. But I'll add something here that's been on my mind lately about what I think LOVE is about.

imo I think first and foremost we need to have SELF-LOVE, because without that there is no way one could ever LOVE someone else, you end up searching for something because you feel like it's needed, and needy is not LOVE imo. When we have SELF-LOVE, then we really have all the LOVE we need in life to be happy. When we carry ourselves with LOVE in our heart, we recognize and do the little things throughout life that may seem insignificant to others but we know they come from our heart and that's LOVE. Sure having a significant other to share that ROMANTIC LOVE with is something special, but it's not something we NEED in order to survive, life will go on.

So many people don't realize that we were all born with LOVE inside, it surrounds us everyday and everywhere, it's in everything we see, touch, feel, hear, taste. People need to stop searching for LOVE and start living life. That is our purpose imo, to share with others what we were already born with. LOVE is part of our human nature, it's not something we need to try and create or go looking for, it's already inside all of us.

Just a few of my thoughts on it :unsure: LOL. I have more but my brain is too tired to organize them all :lol: maybe I'll share them another time.....:)

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 08:40 PM

What is LOVE? Hmmmmm.....
It reminded me a little poem I wrote a while ago about love. It was not the way I wanted, but it was cute. lol! :wild: I'll share here:

"To love is trust. Love is respect. Love is confidential. Love is being happy with life. Love is never believe that is too late to start. Love is to honesty, loyalty, honesty. Love is companionship, friendship is mutual. Love it dedication. Love goes beyond the phrase "I love you" and / or "love you too."
Love is a feeling that grows little by little, day after day, and is not present on the first day we met that person of our dreams. Love is grown by gestures, by attitudes, by attention, by way of being spontaneous. Love the way and attitude to be, the love, dedication and the way that cultivated by his heart. Love for me is not carnal desire, but is the desire to be always with this person, whether in good times or bad. Love itself is finished and this is the finding that person to share a life with you.
Love is a bit of each sentence that describes. And happy is what you feel, not this pure love of live appearances."

:)

tha

09-10-2009, 09:13 PM

What is LOVE? Hmmmmm.....

"Love is the energy that drives all of humanity, much more precious than gold and whose existence is sometimes doubted. It is sought in the other, in ourselves, in books, and when it is not found, leads to the painful feeling of loneliness.
Love is not to have scared to live, trying to guess what the partner wants to get your approval, or fear your bad mood. The feeling of love is a honors and gives us the true extent of our value, makes us feel that we belong to the human race and we aren't just mere complements each other.
Love is a force that leads us to face all our fears, created from the first painful experience of approximation. It makes us brave and daring, ready to challenge the boredom and laziness, the challenge of everyday life, without letting it become routine.
As Aristotle said: "Love is the feeling of imperfect humans, since the function of love is to take humans to the perfection."
The word "love" is too limited to express the full meaning and, therefore, we seek to conceptualize the feeling, it is inevitable that we limit it."

:)

Part of the book "Love can work"

It reminded me a little poem I wrote a while ago about love. It was not the way I wanted, but it was cute. lol! :wild: I'll share here:

"To love is trust. Love is respect. Love is confidential. Love is being happy with life. Love is never believe that is too late to start. Love is to honesty, loyalty, honesty. Love is companionship, friendship is mutual. Love it dedication. Love goes beyond the phrase "I love you" and / or "love you too."
Love is a feeling that grows little by little, day after day, and is not present on the first day we met that person of our dreams. Love is grown by gestures, by attitudes, by attention, by way of being spontaneous. Love the way and attitude to be, the love, dedication and the way that cultivated by his heart. Love for me is not carnal desire, but is the desire to be always with this person, whether in good times or bad. Love itself is finished and this is the finding that person to share a life with you.
Love is a bit of each sentence that describes. And happy is what you feel, not this pure love of live appearances."

:)

:clapping:

Beautiful, Ash!

Ashtanga

09-10-2009, 09:18 PM

"Love is the energy that drives all of humanity, much more precious than gold and whose existence is sometimes doubted. It is sought in the other, in ourselves, in books, and when it is not found, leads to the painful feeling of loneliness.
Love is not to have scared to live, trying to guess what the partner wants to get your approval, or fear your bad mood. The feeling of love is a honors and gives us the true extent of our value, makes us feel that we belong to the human race and we aren't just mere complements each other.
Love is a force that leads us to face all our fears, created from the first painful experience of approximation. It makes us brave and daring, ready to challenge the boredom and laziness, the challenge of everyday life, without letting it become routine.
As Aristotle said: "Love is the feeling of imperfect humans, since the function of love is to take humans to the perfection."
The word "love" is too limited to express the full meaning and, therefore, we seek to conceptualize the feeling, it is inevitable that we limit it."

:)

Part of the book "Love can work"
Beautiful! :wild: :wub: Soooooooo true... :yes:

:clapping:
Beautiful, Ash!
Thanks! :D

Ape

10-10-2009, 05:13 PM

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 06:26 PM

http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/play/?ir5&in_IR014-02

:wub:

Also, for anyone who is interested, our first little bit of a teaser is out for the film I'm in. (just online right now and it's pretty simple but it does give a small taste of what the movie is about.. and shows my name :) ) Just PM me if interested to see it.

The song "This is it"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHtFwXBHApI&feature=player_embedded

"I Never Heard" >>>> Michael wrote this song in 1991 for this singer Safire (I saw the topic about the movie). Seems to be the same song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCV1h40oS0o&feature=player_embedded

I Never Heard

This is it
Here I stand
In the light of the world
Love is grand
And this love
I can feel
And I know
Yes, for sure
It is real

And it seems as though
I've seen your face a thousand times
And you know
That you've seen my face before
And you said that you don't want me
To come around
But many times
I'm gonna do it to this love

Ooh, yeah
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
Come on, please, baby
I'm trustin'

This is it
Here I stand
With you I've got the world in my hands
And this love
That I feel
Yes, I know
That's for sure
This is real

In my dreams I've seen your face a thousand times
But I know
Never felt this way before
I look at you
And I can't believe the love I found
And I know
That I can never want for more

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
Come on, baby
I'm trustin'

This is it
(This is it)
Here I am
(Here I am)
I'm in love
And I'm at your command
(Your command)
This love
That I feel
(That I feel)
Never thought it could feel so real

I can feel you turn the key
That free my broken heart
Now I'm not afraid to love
Against some odds
And you're everything I know
That I can want and more
But I really didn't know it until now
No, no

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
Come on, baby
I'm trustin'

Oh, yeah
I never heard a single
(Word about you)
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I could be your lover
Come on, my baby
I'm trustin'

Oh, yeah
I never heard a single
(Word about you)
Oh, no
Come on, my baby
I'm trustin'
Yeah, yeah
I'm trustin'
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You see, you see
I never heard, I never heard
I never heard, I never heard
About you

No-Body

10-10-2009, 06:38 PM

Ash, thx for posting the lyrics and the youtube link.

Overjoyed doesn't being to describe the sensation I felt at hearing his voice :wub: I'm just standing in front of the computer screen with the earphones on and a huge smile, or grin rather lol on my face and right about now I don't know of anything or anyone that could wipe it out.

Bless his heart, it's amazing what his voice and a few little words can do...

Justus

10-10-2009, 06:39 PM

well that sums up some things talked about in this thread, doesn't it?

4 words: "That's a wrap, everybody!"

No-Body

10-10-2009, 06:54 PM

well that sums up some things talked about in this thread, doesn't it?

Oh yes Justus, most certainly. It sums up things beautifully :)

Lisha

10-10-2009, 07:05 PM

:popcorn:

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 07:15 PM

Ash, thx for posting the lyrics and the youtube link.
Thanks! :cheeky:

The link is the discussion about the song "This is it":

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78084&page=14

:scratch:I'm confused about this song. "This is it" and "I Never Heard" by Safire, are the same songs? To me it is old and (Michael did a few years ago). The beginning of the letter is the same. In discussing the song say it is 1991 and Michael has to save Safire. I do not know... But that is beside the point now. Michael's voice is beautiful and exciting... :wub:

Autumn II

10-10-2009, 07:22 PM

Because this little, gentle, thread is dear-to-my heart, I'd like to tell you something, and do with it what you will, ok?

Last night there was what appears to have been an "attack" on Michael Jackson boards all over the world. I'm serious. All the major fan-sites were crashed (taken offline), simultaneously, at about 11 p.m, EST, U.S. time. (That included the KOP board, and many, many others). They remained offline until mid-morning, today. I'm assuming that MJJC is saving data on a regular basis. However, this disruption was coordinated and apparently very sophisticated, and involved boards both in the U.S. and internationally, on a variety of servers. Therefore, to be totally safe, if you have the time and inclination, I would like to suggest that you copy and paste this thread to your personal desk-tops? I think it will be fine (?), but just in case you might be inclined to do that? (I thought you deserved to know. . . )

peace, all you good people,

Vic

SoS

10-10-2009, 07:43 PM

Lainy

10-10-2009, 07:45 PM

Thank very much Vic! Very delicate on your part post the clarifications!

Thanks!!:cheeky:

I miss when they don't come here! ^_^

Lisha

10-10-2009, 07:48 PM

:popcorn:

Autumn II

10-10-2009, 07:51 PM

Wow Vic, thanks for the thoughtfulness of that warning, that is very interesting! Any theories on why the heck?

Vic, do you know if there is a simple way to save a thread onto a desktop?

It's not known at this time who perpetrated this. Only that it was extremely sophisticated, deliberate, very wide-spread, and targeted only MJ boards.

I'm not very computer literate, (LOL) so don't know of any way to save entire threads to the desk-top, or if that is even possible (probably not?)? I also don't know what sort of risk there is to us now, because I know that MJJC backs up data regularly. Just thought you guys might want to know, just-in-case there is more of this?

SoS

10-10-2009, 08:13 PM

^ ok, yes, exactly, in case we want to save anything - gotcha - thanks again Vic.

Justus yeh, how's anything a wrap? :scratch:

u lost me on that one :giggle:

Lily I like that last thing you said about love. Its true. At a point in life, it always becomes about returning to our "first love" (u didn't say that I did) which is us. Every relationship with another physical person will at some point end, somehow. Its inevitable. If we ever do love someone else, I do believe that even in the spiritual sense, our "hearts" do go on ... and on ..

Ape I'll just suffice it to say a quick >> ;) :)

Tha I also love what you posted about love as an "energy" of all creation. That's very true too.

MP you mentioned the song, The Impossible Dream being a good theme song for this thread and you said you were j/k but I just wanted to say I concur :giggle:

queen_g you brought up some stimulating questions about the song This Is It. I'm thinking maybe Justus was just tossing out a figure of speech ... maybe he just meant ... :scratch: um ...

Justus!! help! :lol:

Lily

10-10-2009, 08:20 PM

Thank you Victoria for giving us that info. Some people are just evil blahhhhh.....I'll keep my other thoughts to myself since this is not the investigation thread. :mello: *sigh*

Thank you Ape and Ashtanga for posting the links and lyrics. Monday should be exciting. :)

Oh really? How so? Which things in particular?

I don't get it either. :wtf:

Lisha

10-10-2009, 08:34 PM

:popcorn:

Lily

10-10-2009, 08:37 PM

Lily I like that last thing you said about love. Its true. At a point in life, it always becomes about returning to our "first love" (u didn't say that I did) which is us. Every relationship with another physical person will at some point end, somehow. Its inevitable. If we ever do love someone else, I do believe that even in the spiritual sense, our "hearts" do go on ... and on .

Thank you SoS. :flowers:

~~~~~

Uh oh I had more thoughts on LOVE.....:fear: :lol: here it goes.....:cheeky:

Sometimes I wonder, is TRUE LOVE something people really have to go searching for? Is life really incomplete without it? And if so, how does one know they are even looking in all the right places? My daily random thought. Hmmmmm.....:lol:

Everyone wants, longs for, is lonely at times, and thinks about being loved. Who doesn’t want or dream about the fairy tale? But that kind of LOVE shouldn’t be something that consumes us. We can’t give up on living life and sharing with others what we already have in our hearts.

Have you ever noticed how people gravitate towards someone who carries themselves a specific way and exudes certain energy? They live LOVE. They are LOVE. Look at MJ. He sings about LOVE in virtually every song. Whether is be romantic or worldly he shares the joy of it, the longing for it, the pain of it…..he needs and wants it just as all of us, but he’s not NEEDY for it. He takes the LOVE that he was born with already in his heart and lives life sharing it in other ways with the world, through song, creativity, how he carries himself, and humanitarian work. People are drawn to him. He is LOVE. We are all LOVE.

Just because we may not have a significant other to share ROMANTIC LOVE with doesn’t mean we give up on the dream of TRUE LOVE. Like I said before, unimaginable things appear if only you dare to dream…..just don’t let searching for it consume you, because when you do, you miss out on so much more in life and so many more dreams.

imo I think we complicate LOVE more than it truly is or should be. Sometimes in life we focus so much on what we WANT, we lose focus and forget about what we already HAVE. In my short time here on this earth I feel like I’ve lived many lifetimes. I know what makes me an unhappy person. Sometimes I've learned the hard way, but I've always gone back and looked within, I tell myself that I refuse to subject myself to allowing anything to taint what’s in my heart, MY LOVE. I live every day with DREAMS, HOPE, FAITH, IMAGINATION, BELIEF, and most of all LOVE in my heart. Happiness is a choice. Those are things that make me complete, they are all things I was born with and held in my heart as a child. What I’ve added minute-by-minute, year-by-year are life experiences that help build my character, and give me substance and knowledge. I will never be incomplete. Completeness just as LOVE comes from within. Everything else fabulous that comes my way in life, be it ROMANCE/TRUE LOVE, imo is all a beautiful bonus. :)

Autumn II

10-10-2009, 08:47 PM

Wow Vic, thanks for the thoughtfulness of that warning, that is very interesting! Any theories on why the heck?

Are there "theories on why the heck?" Does the Pope have a BALCONY? This is not the place for that, though, so carry on.

peace (Oh, God, I hope so. . . . .eventually)

Vic

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 09:06 PM

Thanks, Victoria for that info. :flowers:

Very true, Ash, things aren't completely clear.

Is it true information that Michael together with Paul Anka wrote the melody and the lyrics to this song in 1980?

If so, in this leak we've heard today, is Michael singing the lyrics laid down in 1980?

Or, are the lyrics Safire is singing in 1991 the original lyrics written in 1980, and are the lyrics we've heard today, which has Michael singing the lyrics differently, and consequently changing the meaning a bit... lyrics he had since changed? Or, were the lyrics changed specifically for Safire's version in 1991?

And when did he change them and come up with his own version of the words...the next day after he a Paul did their thing? Or did he decide to tweek the lyrics in 1991 when the song was being prepared for Safire...or did he put his own twist to it as recently as six months ago for a particular reason?

I was thinking about all this. Surely one of those things happened. I do not know how this works. But I read that some singers do. For example, write a letter of a song and it is stored for a while. After that time the song is changed in the lyrics and melody. I think all singers do that, but also create multiple versions of a single song. Michael probably did this song in 1980 (does the song was unfinished at that time?) Along with his brothers (or not). In 1991 he changed the music that was given to Safire. I may be wrong, but the beginning of the letter "This is it" is the same song Safire. And "now", Michael took that letter again (there must be a good reason why this song has been chosen) and amended to ensure that there was the same as other versions. Thinking further, that music can have 3 different versions: 1980, 1991 and NOW, that we do not know exactly when Michael recorded this song.

That's my thought about it. But I can say that I'm completely in love with this song... It is a love ballad? For me it is. :wub:

Thank you Ape and Ashtanga for posting the links and lyrics. Monday should be exciting. :)

:yes:

Yes, it will be exciting. And I'm sure that once again the song of Michael will be in first place. As in the old days and as always... Michael will be dominating everything with "This is it"!!!! :wild::wild::wild:

SoS

10-10-2009, 09:27 PM

Are there "theories on why the heck?" Does the Pope have a BALCONY? This is not the place for that, though, so carry on.

peace (Oh, God, I hope so. . . . .eventually)

Vic :lol: good one! and you're right :yes:

Lily I agree with you, especially with this
Completeness just as LOVE comes from within. Everything else fabulous that comes my way in life, be it ROMANCE/TRUE LOVE, imo is all a beautiful bonus.I imagine everyone has a sense of the ideal partner. Some people meet their ideal partner in their immediate circumstances or even upon just seeing them sense the "kindredness" and recognize it within a twinkling of an eye which is what MJ claims is his method for "knowing" something like that, when someone asked him how he would know he said, "you just know" or something like that. Sometimes circumstances allow people to flow into a partnership in life and sometimes circumstances keep them apart. And sometimes our own duality can get in the way. We sometimes have dual (and dueling) values about what we really want in life. MJ may have been no exception there either and I dare say it was rather obvious.

I always said and I'll say again, I get a sense from MJ's songs that someone served as a sort of a 'muse' for his work, his songs about longing and love. If she had been in his life in a practical way, or if he had really wanted that (who knows if he really did) I and others tend to believe his circumstances would have been very different. Some of MJ's songs seem to imply that he felt that if "she" was in his life circumstances would have been different also. I believe there are several, at least 3) different female themes running through the music, but as relates to this thread, the "star secret friend", the one he felt "like it was written in the stars", he "knew" - that theme seems to be consistent throughout as far as him having a sense of "ideal" perhaps continually inspired by the 'muse' in his heart, and seemed to feel "she" being in his life would make all the difference in his world.

In one song he says, "I'll change the rules for you", in another he says, "if I could tear down these walls .. our perfect love will start", in another he says, "left ourselves a mountain to be overcome" and in many songs he says what he says in For All Time, "I'll do anything" - all this to say that even though MJ didn't need the love of one woman to survive, maybe in his own sense of ideals, he felt he really did and maybe the only way he felt he could express it was through song.

Maybe when he said, "I can't live my life without you", "I need us to carry on", "I need your love in my life", "I could ... die in my sleep 'cause you're always there in my dreams" he was in his heart "chasing" the muse-inspired hope we all dream of and meant those things literally. :(

Maybe his certainty of this was expressed by his repeating of "you'll see" throughout The Way You Love Me. Maybe that means he was looking forward to a future ... :unsure: "you'll see"

sounds like a promise

I'm just so glad fans are having a good time once again, amid all the sorrow. Just hearing his voice again after so long :) :wub:

I dunno ... blathering too now ... talk about a tangent! sry :blush:

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 09:56 PM

I always said and I'll say again, I get a sense from MJ's songs that someone served as a sort of a 'muse' for his work, his songs about longing and love. If she had been in his life in a practical way, or if he had really wanted that (who knows if he really did) I and others tend to believe his circumstances would have been very different. Some of MJ's songs seem to imply that he felt that if "she" was in his life circumstances would have been different also. I believe there are several, at least 3) different female themes running through the music, but as relates to this thread, the "star secret friend", the one he felt "like it was written in the stars", he "knew" - that theme seems to be consistent throughout as far as him having a sense of "ideal" perhaps continually inspired by the 'muse' in his heart, and seemed to feel "she" being in his life would make all the difference in his world.

In one song he says, "I'll change the rules for you", in another he says, "if I could tear down these walls .. our perfect love will start", in another he says, "left ourselves a mountain to be overcome" and in many songs he says what he says in For All Time, "I'll do anything" - all this to say that even though MJ didn't need the love of one woman to survive, maybe in his own sense of ideals, he felt he really did and maybe the only way he felt he could express it was through song.

Maybe when he said, "I can't live my life without you", "I need us to carry on", "I need your love in my life", "I could ... die in my sleep 'cause you're always there in my dreams" he was in his heart "chasing" the muse-inspired hope we all dream of and meant those things literally. :(

Maybe his certainty of this was expressed by his repeating of "you'll see" throughout The Way You Love Me. Maybe that means he was looking forward to a future ... :unsure: "you'll see"

sounds like a promise

:scratch::smilerolleyes:

SoS

10-10-2009, 10:24 PM

:scratch::smilerolleyes: :lol: what's that :scratch: for?? and why are you rolling your eyes ?? :unsure: :giggle:

Lisha

10-10-2009, 10:30 PM

:popcorn:

No-Body

10-10-2009, 10:31 PM

I imagine everyone has a sense of the ideal partner. Some people meet their ideal partner in their immediate circumstances or even upon just seeing them sense the "kindredness" and recognize it within a twinkling of an eye which is what MJ claims is his method for "knowing" something like that, when someone asked him how he would know he said, "you just know" or something like that. Sometimes circumstances allow people to flow into a partnership in life and sometimes circumstances keep them apart. And sometimes our own duality can get in the way. We sometimes have dual (and dueling) values about what we really want in life. MJ may have been no exception there either and I dare say it was rather obvious.

I always said and I'll say again, I get a sense from MJ's songs that someone served as a sort of a 'muse' for his work, his songs about longing and love. If she had been in his life in a practical way, or if he had really wanted that (who knows if he really did) I and others tend to believe his circumstances would have been very different. Some of MJ's songs seem to imply that he felt that if "she" was in his life circumstances would have been different also. I believe there are several, at least 3) different female themes running through the music, but as relates to this thread, the "star secret friend", the one he felt "like it was written in the stars", he "knew" - that theme seems to be consistent throughout as far as him having a sense of "ideal" perhaps continually inspired by the 'muse' in his heart, and seemed to feel "she" being in his life would make all the difference in his world.

In one song he says, "I'll change the rules for you", in another he says, "if I could tear down these walls .. our perfect love will start", in another he says, "left ourselves a mountain to be overcome" and in many songs he says what he says in For All Time, "I'll do anything" - all this to say that even though MJ didn't need the love of one woman to survive, maybe in his own sense of ideals, he felt he really did and maybe the only way he felt he could express it was through song.

Maybe when he said, "I can't live my life without you", "I need us to carry on", "I need your love in my life", "I could ... die in my sleep 'cause you're always there in my dreams" he was in his heart "chasing" the muse-inspired hope we all dream of and meant those things literally.

Maybe his certainty of this was expressed by his repeating of "you'll see" throughout The Way You Love Me. Maybe that means he was looking forward to a future ... "you'll see"

sounds like a promise

I'm just so glad fans are having a good time once again, amid all the sorrow. Just hearing his voice again after so long

I dunno ... blathering too now ... talk about a tangent! sry

SoS, what on earth are you apologizing for? That was such a beautiful post :clapping:

Lily, I also agree with you - happiness is a choice. And also, romantic love is not only kind of love one needs have in life, although it is a rather important piece of pie.

In a strange way, your reflection reminded me of the lyrics of a song from Macy Gray and Common, Ghetto heaven and especially the line "never find a man, till you find yourself".

Before we can embark on a meaningful relationship and seek love in others we must first be sure to know ourselves, our ideals, what we stand for in life and love ourselves. Then, when we see similar things in another it will be like looking in the mirror, with some distortions of course, which can be differing opinions and habits. We have to be strong individuals before we can be strong couples and strong families. For any1 interested in the entire lyrics to the song http://lyrics.filestube.com/song/57de1f8977c6461403e9,Geto-Heaven-Pt-2.html I'm sorry I couldn't copy them here. I also love the line "music is a gift that is sacred".

The confusion about the song....let me ask you all - DOES IT MATTER when, how and why the song came about/was recorded? They all are legitimate questions, I know, but there are moments in life when one needs not question things, but take them at face value. Not knowing any of that should not stop us from enjoying the music. As Victoria said a few pages back, mystery is good, and at times it needs to stay as such. Carpe diem folks, seize the moment, it's yours for the taking.

And since I mentioned Victoria - did you find the video you were looking for yesterday? Last night I was about to send you a PM with three links when the site stopped working. I'm sure none of them are the video you had in mind since they have only some of the elements you described, but I thought they would be enjoyed by everyone anyhow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbyMOOjJqY8&feature=PlayList&p=C5B4998278393E0C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hzd85Rj1zM&hl=ro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaG2hOBQN6g&feature=PlayList&p=2A0FEF3DD9B86F11&index=9

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 10:38 PM

:lol: what's that :scratch: for?? and why are you rolling your eyes ?? :unsure: :giggle:
I was thinking about "she": "God, do I'm the only person who believes that "she" does not exist and never existed? :scratch:"She" is just an imaginary woman/fictional created by Michael in your thoughts? lol! :unsure:

I feel bad about being the only person thinking this way. :( I can not think otherwise! lol! :wild:

:swoon:

* Muse
The Muses are mythological entities that are assigned the ability to inspire artistic creation or scientific, in Greece, were the nine daughters of Mnemosyne and Zeus. Muse, in the singular, is the woman real or imaginary that inspires creation. The male counterpart would be the faun, but this has to be exactly the same capacity inspiring mythology. The temple of the Muses was the Museion, a term that gave rise to the word museum, in the various Indo-European languages, as a place of cultivation and preservation of arts and sciences.

Source: Wikipedia

*Curiosity: For Muslims, Moses (Arabic: "Muse" >>> موسى) was a great prophet.

*Thinking philosophically (ideas and inspirations):

Plato: The Platonic Theory of Ideas

The theory of ideas is the fundamental characteristic of the philosophy of Plato. It is also what, in his theory, it seems, to our modern eyes, most aberrant. It is often the theory of Plato's ideas a kind of hallucination that only have historical interest, yet she played a significant role in the later philosophy (if only as an obstacle to be avoided), and continues to influence the philosophy of mathematics: a modern philosopher like Frege might well be considered platonic.

Rather than criticize this theory, let us show (at least initially) the underlying reasons which led Plato and others after him to defend a theory in such a strange appearance.

In what way is this theory of ideas?

It is not difficult to sketch the outline. For Plato, the world we live in, containing the objects we perceive, is not the only world that exists. There is also a world of ideas separate from the sensible world in which we evolved. This world of ideas (as the name suggests) is entirely composed of ideas. But what Plato means by "idea"? Not what you usually call this term (usually called "idea" to the product of our thinking: there is only one idea on us and just as we think of it). For Plato, "idea" has a totally different direction that could result in its essence.

Here's an example: there are a number of seats in our world, many of them are different: some are large, some small, some plastic, some wood... However, despite these differences, all receive the same name as chair test are also somehow similar. It is this essence of the chair, what is identical in all the chairs, what Plato calls the Idea, or "chair itself." Now what characterizes Plato, is that for him this "chair itself, this essence of the chair, there is truly a world apart, independent of ours: the world of ideas. This world is thus peopled by the idea of chair, the idea of the table, but also by the idea of a triangle, just, beautiful.

In short, everything that exists in our world in many items (examples: chairs, tables, triangles, just actions, beautiful objects...) is in a unique and perfect in the world of ideas. It is important to realize that the world of ideas not from the activity of our reason. He existed even before the existence of human beings. This is exactly what seems a little strange to our modern mind (indeed, usually think that what unites us, for example, multiple tables we see is what we call the concept, and that the concept is the product of our intelligence compares the tables, see what's similar or different in them...). For Plato, the sensible world (in which we live) and the world of ideas exist and both are equally independent of our reason.

*I'm sure Michael has read about it! :wild:

:)

SoS

10-10-2009, 11:14 PM

SoS, what on earth are you apologizing for? That was such a beautiful post Thanks Shabuya I'm glad *cough*someone*cough* understood what I was saying :giggle: Some people apparantly just 'get' eachother's stream of consciousness ramblings :giggle: thanks again Shabuya

um, OK queen_g, :giggle: first of all, thank you for giving me a clue of what Ashtanga may have been rolling her eyes about, but now... with English not being her first language, and yet it evidently being your expertise (by evidently I mean how fluidly you use it), I have to wonder if my wording may not have been off so I will try and oblige with a rephrasing.

Would you mind breaking down this sentence so I might have a better understanding of what you are saying?

What does "muse-inspired hope" mean? I know what a muse might be, as far as one who brings ideas to one's art. I know a muse inspires. How does a muse, one that is being using to inspire art, also inspire "hope?" by 'muse' I'm referring to the nebulous spirit of inspiration such as that which inspires music. Music is inspired and THIS artist's music ofttimes represents songs of longing, love and .....well ......also hope. Does that make more sense?

Maybe it could be said a muse can inspire a hope that maybe soon the artist might get a new idea for their art? So what kind of hope are you talking about? I'm referring to the very "hope" that the artist is singing about which a look at the lyrics tells us about. He seems to be saying he "wants", he "desires", he "wishes" - that is what I mean by the muse ("she") inspired "hope".

The hope presented in the songs seem to indicate that he "hopes" love will be all he believes it could and would be once they are together. eg., "tell me this is real, tell me how you feel, say its what we both believe in", or "I pray in you I'll find a love so true" or "but first I need your hand and forever can begin" or "can't go on without you by my side", or "come and rescue me out of this storm and out of this cold I need some warmth - - - - hold on", or or or .... is it making more sense now? :scratch:

And what is it that we all dream of that has some connection to a hope inspired by a muse?What I said was, Maybe when he said, "I can't live my life without you", "I need us to carry on", "I need your love in my life", "I could ... die in my sleep 'cause you're always there in my dreams" he was in his heart "chasing" the muse-inspired hope we all dream of

Hope is inspired within all humans who know there is more than what we are living, particularly if we are living out of balance (Yin/Yangerly speaking. Now I know you know what I mean by that! lol yes?) , we humans are expansive beings, we are not content with this being "it", we have hope, an ongoing understanding that there is space within us that can hold another in our sphere, in our midst, in our hearts, in our space, and in the innermost spaces that are not easily reached by just any other.

Its part and parcel (ok part is parcel isn't it hmmm) of what this thread is all about - "connection" and what I believe attracts many of us to it. Being connected, even peripherally, with the energy of love, with and for Michael and the energy of the reciprocity of Michael's expressions of love in his music.

The movie Cast Away with Tom Hanks showed that as humans we need connection, even if its with a volley ball. He had a volley ball, we have this thread :giggle: Michael had his version of "her", and what his life would be like with "her" in it.

Also, what did he mean perhaps literally?
Are you just meaning that this hope he might be expressing in his lyrics is about his wanting to one day get together with this dreamgal...who is also his muse?Yes, I'm meaning that for as long as a person is serving as a muse, there is a sense of "ideal" about that person. The moment the person ceases being a "muse" and is actually now being a human, then and only then could he really know whether he'd want that person in his life or not but before then, its a "muse-inspired-hope".

And, we all dream (all?) that if we have a similar hope it will be fulfilled one day, too? Is that how you are connecting things here, and what your sentence means? Yes I do believe we all dream. I believe that when peoples' dreams are similiar to eachothers' (meaning their values, desires and dare I say hopes) they can easily connect, and for others dreams remain dreams, desires remain desires and hope remains hope.

:scratch: something like that anyway

:scratch:

SoS

10-10-2009, 11:16 PM

I was thinking about "she": "God, do I'm the only person who believes that "she" does not exist and never existed? :scratch:"She" is just an imaginary woman/fictional created by Michael in your thoughts? lol! :unsure:

I feel bad about being the only person thinking this way. :( I can not think otherwise! lol! :wild:

:swoon:

* Muse
The Muses are mythological entities that are assigned the ability to inspire artistic creation or scientific, in Greece, were the nine daughters of Mnemosyne and Zeus. Muse, in the singular, is the woman real or imaginary that inspires creation. The male counterpart would be the faun, but this has to be exactly the same capacity inspiring mythology. The temple of the Muses was the Museion, a term that gave rise to the word museum, in the various Indo-European languages, as a place of cultivation and preservation of arts and sciences.

Source: Wikipedia

Curiosity: For Muslims, Moses (Arabic: "Muse" >>> موسى) was a great prophet.

:)No, Ashtanga, we are in a sense saying the same thing. :)

We differ only in believing there is a "she". I don't understand why you can't see that any other way but its ok with me although I do wish you would explain what you mean by "I cannot think otherwise". Why can't you? just out of curiosity.

I believe there is a "she" who served a purpose in inspiring some of Michael's work, perhaps even some of his dreams of what he felt would be ideal with "her". I believe he felt what his music says he felt and I also believe that in a sense and to a certain extent, that was a kind of fullfillment within itself.

A bit like "satisfaction", without SATIATION or "knowing", without KNOWLEDGE.

Like a "breath about to be taken" that doesn't quite become the inhale.

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 11:37 PM

No, Ashtanga, we are in a sense saying the same thing. :)

We differ only in believing there is a "she". I don't understand why you can't see that any other way but its ok with me.

I believe "she" served the purpose of inspiring Michael's work, perhaps even his dreams of what he felt would be ideal with "her". I believe he felt what his music says he felt and I also believe that in a sense and to a certain extent, that was a kind of fullfillment within itself.

A bit like "satisfaction", without SATIATION or "knowing", without KNOWLEDGE.

I'll do a test now. lol! :wild:

Ok. I'll pretend I believe. I'm going to pretend that "she" exists or has existed in the life of Michael. lol!:wild:

So, I can not understand and never understand why they were not together... Why they will not be together because there was so much love between them, and love (true love) overcomes everything in life and survives any barrier/obstacle? So, much love could not overcome all these things? :scratch:So, never was and there never was a true love... :yes:

So, given this simple fact, for me, "she" does not exist and never existed. For me, there was only an imaginary woman invented in the mind of Michael. :)

Please, do not kill me for it! lol! :wild: :( That's how I think about it. :yes: :D

SoS

10-10-2009, 11:44 PM

I'll do a test now. lol! :wild:

Ok. I'll pretend I believe. I'm going to pretend that "she" exists or has existed in the life of Michael. lol!:wild:

So, I can not understand and never understand why they were not together... Why they will not be together because there was so much love between them, and love (true love) overcomes everything in life and survives any barrier/obstacle? So, much love could not overcome all these things? :scratch:So, never was and there never was a true love... :yes:

So, given this simple fact, for me, "she" does not exist and never existed. For me, there was only an imaginary woman invented in the mind of Michael. :)

Please, do not kill me for it! lol! :wild: :( That's how I think about it. :yes: :D :lol: oh Ashtanga

:devil: nobody's going to kill you my lovely

:lol:

No, seriously. Again, I agree with what you are saying to a certain extent.

Its just that, the problem is that every imagining has at its roots some kind of a frame of reference.

I believe its possible that MJ had a frame of reference, a focal point, someone to imagine... hence, what I mean by "she" was his "muse".

Ashtanga

10-10-2009, 11:53 PM

:lol: oh Ashtanga

:devil: nobody's going to kill you my lovely

:lol:

Thanks! :D Now, I'll be more quiet and calm that no one will kill me. :wild:

No, seriously. Again, I agree with what you are saying to a certain extent.

Its just that, the problem is that every imagining has at its roots some kind of a frame of reference.

I believe its possible that MJ had a frame of reference, a focal point, someone to imagine... hence, what I mean by "she" was his "muse".
:yes: :D

SoS

10-10-2009, 11:55 PM

Thanks! :D Now, I'll be more quiet and calm that no one will kill me. :wild:

:yes: :D

:wild: you mean you agree!!??

i don't believe it:dropdead:

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 12:00 AM

:wild: you mean you agree!!??

i don't believe it:dropdead:
Yes. :yes: But, I'm always attentive to any threat of attack against me. :ph34r: This territory is dangerous. lol! :swoon: :wild:

Just kidding! :D :cheeky:

I know that peace reigns here. :)

SoS

11-10-2009, 12:16 AM

Ashtanga there is one possible exception to this theory of ours. This reminds me that I didn't fully answer queen_g's question of what I meant by literally when I said

Maybe when he said, "I can't live my life without you", "I need us to carry on", "I need your love in my life", "I could ... die in my sleep 'cause you're always there in my dreams" he was in his heart "chasing" the muse-inspired hope we all dream of and meant those things literally.

What I meant was, if this person who has been his "frame of reference" for who he really should be with did exist, then this is someone he literally meant he can't live without.

I thought of this when I remembered that someone famous, I don't remember who it was, said that your true soul mate is not the person you decide you can best live with, but it is the person whom you know you cannot live without. In some of MJ's love songs he said that he cannot live without her and yet he goes on to live without her as he's singing about not being able to live without her. "She" is not anyone who was in his physical life as we can see from the fact that throughout the decades he continued to live without anyone permanent in his life even as he kept on singing about "her".

I agree that if he had come to the point where he was ready and able to find "her" he would have been with "her" but as it was, he seems to have not had the chance. His music says, "I will walk around this world to find "her" I don't care what it takes ... but he didn't ... or did he ... in his own way, at his own pace and in his own time, "persue" her without anyone knowing..

The only women we ever learned about him being with were women who in some way or other had made their own way into his space or who were at his easy access ....and yet he kept on singing about this nebulous "wish", "desire", "dream" or "muse" called "her".

"If these words could keep you happy" as opposed to anything else he was able to give the relationship at the time is what it seems he is saying to me, if indeed he meant it all literally.

Its that kind of thing, those kinds off seemingly heartfelt lyrics, that makes me believe he may have had true, literal hopes and beliefs that "she" did exist and was everything he felt she was when he said, "everything I'm looking for I seem to find". This is where she is both a "muse" and a "hope", all in one.

SoS

11-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Yes. :yes: But, I'm always attentive to any threat of attack against me. :ph34r: This territory is dangerous. lol! :swoon: :wild:

Just kidding! :D :cheeky:

I know that peace reigns here. :) Oh yes! :wub: there is peace here if nowhere else on the board ... this afterall, is the L.O.V.E. thread ;)

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 12:46 AM

tha

11-10-2009, 01:39 AM

Hello People!

Wow.... I have so much to read here, but I'm little lazy .... :lol: So I decided to have a presence here today posting this pic that I love from the single "Whatever Happens"

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4563/whateverhappens1.jpg

:wub:

SoS

11-10-2009, 02:08 AM

hi tha :giggle: your post was funny ... nice pic of MJ in the saddest era of all for me :blush:

but the pic is nice :yes:

Love...

I always believed that Michael always envisioned a kind of woman to have on your side. A female version of Michael Jackson. A woman like him incredibly strong and capable of overcoming and face all the problems / barriers / obstacles that might arise in the middle of the road. A woman warrior and victorious as Michael was always in life and in your career. A woman who thought like him about all things and see the world the same way he did. However, he always searched everywhere and never found that special woman. Maybe one day, somehow, God causes this meeting so special... I'm sure one day it will happen. :yes::wub:

I could not forget the L.O.V.E. >>> Love Overcomes Virtually Everything

The love that moves this discussion. Love is always in the air here... :wub:

Before I forget... The picture of today:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6875/mjreadinwd226x300.jpg

:wub::wub::wub:
Love the pic of MJ reading :wub:

Never saw it before. Where'd you find it? :)

Lisha

11-10-2009, 02:15 AM

:popcorn:

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 02:20 AM

Love the pic of MJ reading :wub:

Never saw it before. Where'd you find it? :)

Michael is beautiful and charming glasses. He always loved both the books... :wub:

I do not remember where I got this picture by doing a time. But what I know is that this picture was taken at Christmas 2008 at the home of Michael.

This book is in the hands of Michael... Remember the actress Carrie Fisher? She was the "Princess Leia" in the original trilogy of "Star Wars". She is the author of the book. She wrote this memoir about her life.

http://www.bookswim.com/images_books/large/Wishful_Drinking-122455530858455.jpg

And... I love "Star Wars"! :wild:

SoS

11-10-2009, 02:38 AM

I only had difficulty with that one sentence. I thought your post in general was excellent.

This was a great post, too. I am glad my question brought it forth. But please don't get the impression I ever thought I'd have trouble understanding what your meaning might be behind what you were wanting to communicate through that sentence; I only had trouble with your choice of wording in your sentence. And I will always, and I hope others will too, with no embarrassment or shame, ask when I do not understand someone's exact meaning. I value communication very much, and I wish to know what someone is wanting to get across to me, especially someone who has proven many times to have something valuable to share...like you.

(Where did you learn that using several giggly smilies do wonders for appeasement?)
I was just being silly with that one *cough* sentence :giggle:

I can't help the giggly smilies today...I have a serious case of the giggles and that smiley is so appropot!

I appreciate your question/ssssss :giggle: in all truthfulness ... it makes for a much more interesting discussion than when people let some bit of unintelligible ramblings go by without question. The only trouble I have had with questions is when I have asked them of others (in other threads) and they go either unanswered or scorned for the asking ... but no, I don't mind at all and thanks for letting me know I made a bit more sense. ;)

Ashtanga thanks for letting me know it was Christmas 2008. Ms. Fisher was at MJ's house for dinner as I understand it. Yes he looks quite striking in glasses.

Lisha

11-10-2009, 02:45 AM

:popcorn:

Lily

11-10-2009, 02:45 AM

I think I met Safire like 20 years ago when I worked at a radio station and she was doing a promo tour :wtf: that's weird.....

Remember summers post with these pics? Anyway, this part that I highlighted reminds me of that.....:)

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1900080&postcount=4373 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1900080&postcount=4373)

I can feel you turn the key
That free my broken heart
Now I'm not afraid to love
Against some odds
And you're everything I know
That I can want and more
But I really didn't know it until now

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 02:49 AM

Ashtanga thanks for letting me know it was Christmas 2008. Ms. Fisher was at MJ's house for dinner as I understand it. Yes he looks quite striking in glasses.
Yes! She was also the home of Michael and other people too. Her book seems to be quite interesting. :yes:

I found the picture (it is very bad image) in my archives:

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3703/19804419.jpg

Michael soooooooooo beautiful... :wub::wub::wub:

I think I met Safire like 20 years ago when I worked at a radio station and she was doing a promo tour :wtf: that's weird.....

Really? :doh: "I never heard" (written by Michael Jackson and Paul Anka) is the album "I Wasn't Born Yesterday" by Safire released in 1991. :unsure:

Lisha

11-10-2009, 03:01 AM

:popcorn:

tha

11-10-2009, 03:07 AM

hi [B]tha :giggle: your post was funny ... nice pic of MJ in the saddest era of all for me :blush:

but the pic is nice :yes:

Thanks! ^_^

Ashtanga
Mike is so cute in this pic! :wub:

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 03:07 AM

You have an amazing memory! That was a fun t-shirt he wore that day. I remember now Summer posting that. Ties in well.

I'm confused and drifting in the subject. lol! :wild: Sorry a silly question... What is the shirt he was wearing that day? lol! :scratch:

P.S. I looked at the pictures now. I think I understand:

I can feel you turn the key
That free my broken heart

On his shirt is printed a heart that seems to have a lock? Am I right? Or I'm not seeing right? lol! :wild:

The subliminal messages from Michael... He's always trying to tell us something through them. I love it! :wub:

Does this may mean that the heart is closed for love (for a new relationship)? I always thought that Michael was only focused on building their 3 children and his work... nothing. :)

Lisha

11-10-2009, 03:15 AM

:popcorn:

tha

11-10-2009, 03:19 AM

The subliminal messages from Michael... He's always trying to tell us something through them. I love it! :wub:

Yeah, yeah, yeah!!!! Darn Michael!!!! ^_^

I love, love, love all his "messages"! :)

Lily

11-10-2009, 03:22 AM

Really? :doh: "I never heard" (written by Michael Jackson and Paul Anka) is the album "I Wasn't Born Yesterday" by Safire released in 1991. :unsure:

I think I may even have the cassette tape somewhere from 20 years ago :unsure: that name rang a bell :huh: very strange :alien: LOL

You have an amazing memory! That was a fun t-shirt he wore that day. I remember now Summer posting that. Ties in well.

I'm not sure how amazing my memory is, I can't even remember things I need in the store without a shopping list :ph34r: :lol: but I remember liking the shirt design it reminds me of one of my tank tops that says "many keys, one lock" and that kinda triggered it when I read the lyrics about the key and heart, I thought where else have I seen something like that. :huh: lol

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 03:32 AM

I think I may even have the cassette tape somewhere from 20 years ago :unsure: that name rang a bell :huh: very strange :alien: LOL

20 years is a long time. lol! :wild: But they say this song is from 1980. In Mijac it was recorded in 1980. But I believe that Michael has changed the song (lyrics) several times. But it is beside the point. For me it does not matter when that song. The song is beautiful... for me is all that matters. :wub:

You are correct!!!:clapping:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5480/locket.jpg

This shirt is beautiful. :wild: Probably should be the Christian Audigier. :yes:

Heart closed to love... :unsure:

tha

11-10-2009, 03:37 AM

This shirt is beautiful. :wild: Probably should be the Christian Audigier. :yes:

I want this shirt!!! :) :yes:

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 03:44 AM

I want this shirt!!! :) :yes:

If you are into street Oscar Freire (has a Christian store) and see the price... :smilerolleyes: you will want to give up this shirt. :( They are super expensive! lol! :wild: :doh:

tha

11-10-2009, 03:47 AM

If you are into street Oscar Freire (has a Christian store) and see the price... :smilerolleyes: you will want to give up this shirt. :( They are super expensive! lol! :wild: :doh:

Yeah....I know... :( "Oscar Freire" isn't for me! :lol:

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 03:50 AM

Yeah....I know... :( "Oscar Freire" isn't for me! :lol:
Me too!!! :(

Lisha

11-10-2009, 03:54 AM

:popcorn:

summer

11-10-2009, 07:58 AM

Yay MJJC is back! Yeah, I noticed that MJJC and KOP board were both down at the same time and I was thinking "Weird?!". :scratch: Wonder who is behind it and why? Are we too powerful for someone? Anyways, as for saving this thread...well maybe when I have a couple of days free...gonna take a while to save all of this! :lol: :lol: Someone with a lot of time on their hands (or who knows how you can save the whole thing quickly) should save it all and make a file and then upload it and share it with us so that we could just download it. :D

Anyways, can't believe we got to hear a preview of the song already. :wild: I listened to the clip at work and I was instantly on an emotional rollercoaster after that. I was going through all kinds of emotions. First I had a smile on my face because I was happy to hear Michael's voice again and the song sounded happy, so it made me happy. But that only lasted for maybe a minute because I started thinking "Imagine how great the whole London thing could have been....The show...new songs...everyone loving MJ...seeing MJ smile...". And then I of course knew it all will never happen. We'll never see Michael again. We'll never see him smile, talk, sing or dance again. :boohoo: He'll never see us smiling and singing again. :( Then I read the whole lyrics to the song and I had tears flowing down my face again. 1. Because the lyrics were so sweet and happy 2. Because it made me so sad and angry in a way too to think that what if MJ had finally found someone...and then he died. :boohoo: Even just the thought breaks my heart into pieces. :cry: That would be so unfair! I've always said that with my luck I will probably find "the one" when I'm like 80 years old and dying...and I would have never wanted that to happen to anyone else...ESPECIALLY not MJ. He would have deserved to live a happy life and be loved for as long as possible. So even just the thought of him possibly having found someone and having been happy...only to be taken away from this earth just seems so unfair, and something that makes no sense and feels is so cruel. Then on the other hand it would make me happy to know he was happy when he died (if the song is any kind of indication). Then again so many people who were around him during the last weeks said he seemed unhappy and angry and tired. :cry: So I don't know. Like I said...I went through all kinds of emotions when I heard the This Is It clip. I still can't seem to get over how unfair I think it is that Michael had to die and I can't stop missing him. I know I should "snap out of it", but it's just so hard to do. I just miss him. What can I do. :cry:

Lily, I had to think of that shirt MJ wore too as soon as I read that part about "turning the key" in the lyrics. :yes: I remember the shirt because I loved it when I saw it and was like "I should wear that" because of the locked heart and I posted a pic of the heart in the "true love" thread too back then. http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43835&page=7 Except that my interpretation of the heart pic was not too positive. I'm glad the song has a more positive take on the "image". :lol:

And "it's a wrap"? I too would like to know how so? :scratch: :lol: Or was Justus just trying to get us to "finally wrap this thread up"? :lol:

Actually I wanna hear the whole song before I can say anything...because it seems the lyrics that are posted are slightly different from the ones MJ is singing in that clip. So is the clip the demo...and there is another version with other lyrics somewhere? Or did he change the lyrics later, after Safire recorded the song...for whatever reason? :scratch:

SoS

11-10-2009, 09:49 PM

aw Summer I feel your pain :hug: I really do. The song sounds rather meloncholy to me, more longing.

There is a scripture in the bible that says, "a hope deferred makes the heart sick"

It may be true that he "found someone" and at the same time, since his life did not line up in such a way that he could, in a very simple way, realize that 'ideal' and actually be with "her", it could actually add to a person's day to day unhappiness, even if in their heart they have joy.

I know this is inviting Ashtanga to feel once again, no, there was no one in his heart at all because if there were he would have been with her. I just don't know about that. When you add it all up, look at his isolated lonely life, plus all the women that it was easy for Michael to be with, and was with, and you listen to his music, it is different stories.

I get the feeling that at the bottom of Michael's heart the sense of "belonging" is key. Lyrics that say things like, "I feel we belong" or "when two hearts belong so well" or just listening to him shout, "you and me! together!! together!!!" says that he was reaching OUT through his music to "someone". This is largely why I say that in the end, she served merely as a "muse", someone who brought forth the feeling from him through the music, someone he had an 'experience' with, but at the end, was not someone he was able to actually touch.

Now in analyzing the lyrics at one point I felt the contrary to that is, the song, For All Time says, "a tender touch you know so well" until I listened to it "AllforMJ style" and listened to the context and the words more carefully (that girl is somethin' else lol where is she!!!?) and I realized that he says, "if you feel alone I'll be (future) your shoulder, with a tender touch you'll (future) know so well". That put me back in 'muse' mode and realized maybe it is about a future dream yet to be realized. I don't know, I just do my part in trying to understand from a distance, and put together what makes for wise sense to me.

Its one way at least to understand the merging of the music, with the man's life. I'll break my own rule about not using past tense for the moment, to just say contrary to what any of us thought, he was clearly alone. So alone it was sad. He had friends, people who cared about him, but he was yet and still isolated. When people are isolated they live a lot 'in their heads' and at those times poetry, music, thoughts and feelings pour fourth. The bible also says, "out of the heart's abundance, the mouth speaks", so all we have to go on is what came out of his mouth as to what was in his heart, regardless to those in his surroundings and immediate life. Michael's not the only one. It happens all the time. I happened to go through the trunk of a car that belonged to my uncle who's been married to my aunt 40 years and in it I found a letter to a lady he had gone to high school with, recounting the first time he saw her "in that green sweater" and all the tender feelings he still had for her. It was so sad, all I could do was cry, for my uncle, (my aunt of course) and that lady. A true love, never realized.

Everyone tries their best to do as the old song says, that being "if you can't be with the one you love - - love the one you're with" but at the end of the day, when there's a sense of "belonging" you long to realize your life with, with one special it doesn't make life any easier to "love the one you're with". It makes life a lot more stressful in a deeper kind of way.

I just want to add that in the end, it still all amounts to a dream. A love lived in song, and in what amounts to what Ashtanga ( ;) ) would refer to as, an imaginary dream.

Lisha

11-10-2009, 11:01 PM

:popcorn:

Lily

11-10-2009, 11:35 PM

20 years is a long time. lol! :wild: But they say this song is from 1980. In Mijac it was recorded in 1980. But I believe that Michael has changed the song (lyrics) several times. But it is beside the point. For me it does not matter when that song. The song is beautiful... for me is all that matters. :wub:
A long time is right. I dusted off my cassette tape vault (really it's a storage box) :lol: and I do have one of her albums. It's the self-titled one which I think was her first so it doesn't have this particular song on it. :)

Heart closed to love... :unsure:

Ok ladies, who's got the key????? lol.....sorry I'm a silly sleepy right now. lol

Let's see, the list for Lily to bring with her next time she goes to Whole Foods...

Apple and Butternut squash soup!!!
granola bars for little critter friends in yard!!!
and NO cheesecake, because she does not find it sexy! :tease:
I'm starting to believe I have selective memory :fear: :lol: .....and no cheesecake it correct :puke: LOL

Actually I wanna hear the whole song before I can say anything...because it seems the lyrics that are posted are slightly different from the ones MJ is singing in that clip. So is the clip the demo...and there is another version with other lyrics somewhere? Or did he change the lyrics later, after Safire recorded the song...for whatever reason? :scratch:

Aww the "True Love" thread, it does sort of link to this one in a way. :)

and I agree with this highlighted part. I don't think 43 seconds(4+3=7 :huh:) is enough to interpret, especially if we don't know whether or not these are going to be the same lyrics. The instrumental intro is beautiful. I wonder if Michael chose his brothers to sing background? at least on MJ.com website it says they do. hmmmmm.

I know this is inviting Ashtanga to feel once again, no, there was no one in his heart at all because if there were he would have been with her. I just don't know about that. When you add it all up, look at his isolated lonely life, plus all the women that it was easy for Michael to be with, and was with, and you listen to his music, it is different stories.

What about that thread in GD about him being in-love with the video girl(s)?.....Maybe that's MJ's LITD?

I get the feeling that at the bottom of Michael's heart the sense of "belonging" is key. Lyrics that say things like, "I feel we belong" or "when two hearts belong so well" or just listening to him shout, "you and me! together!! together!!!" says that he was reaching OUT through his music to "someone". This is largely why I say that in the end, she served merely as a "muse", someone who brought forth the feeling from him through the music,

What I find interesting is MJ would say the lyrics came from somewhere else, they were sent from God? True love is also a gift brought into our life by God or something/someone greater than ourself. Maybe God or something/someone higher was having MJ go through all these emotions throughout the years so when the day finally came he was able to recognize that it really is TRUE and that it is REAL? We all are taught lessons or given tests throughout life. Could be since music is MJ's calling that's how the lessons of love were taught to him over the years, he was being prepared for the day "she" would come into his life. :)

someone he had an 'experience' with, but at the end, was not someone he was able to actually touch.

What kind of experience :blink: :unsure: lol..and there's "not able to touch" again like Justus and Victoria previously posted something about "touch". I have to go back and read all that again, it's not processing in my sleepyhead at the moment dang it. :yawn: LOL

No-Body

11-10-2009, 11:44 PM

SoS, incredible story there about your uncle. Your entire post was beautiful. Hugs

Summer, I can definitely understand where you are coming from. I guess whichever way you cut it – it all irks of unfair and unfinished business. Either he had found love and was cut short or he hadn't yet had the chance and was still looking, so it seems cruel both ways. The reason why I was so happy to hear the song and what I got out of Justus comment about 'summing things up for the thread' was an answer to the question in the name of the thread and some of the recent discusion about true love that had been going on. I, therefore, understood those few lines to mean that indeed Michael had found true love, however shortlived that might have been, and I was very happy for him.

It's very possible, probable even that I read into it all too much. I remember a little story from a book I once read – a young man was in a park and was enthused at the sight of a darkhaired girl and he didn't know how to approach her so he was very happy when he saw her look towards him and wave. It turns out she was signaling her boyfriend, who was sitting behind him. The man was together with a friend and he confinded – but I was so sure that was a sign. Then his friend told him – how come you didn't notice the nice blonde girl sitting on the bench next to you who was obviously interested to know more about you? So, I guess that was a cautionary tale about seeing what we want to see, or maybe an appeal for settling on what we can attain or to notice the obvious, I don't even know myself.

In any case, the bottomline of what I am actually tryin to say is – I know we may be hurting very much now, especially when hearing or seeing videos of Michael, but we must understand that there is soooo much beauty in the world, so much goodness and kindness out there (done by people more or less famous in the quiet knowledge they need neither approval nor praise for what they are doing), but also so much injustice and hurt that need intervention, that we must find our strength to wipe the tears, roll up the sleeves and get to work and by that I don't necessarily mean go out at once and volunteer for an NGO, but simply try and enjoy life to the maximum in the smallest of details of daily life and give a helping hand when we can.

I would have posted a few photos to prove to you all how wonderful and magical this world of ours still is (from Tuscany, Provence and Tirol all the way to Japan and many other places in between) despite our sorrow, but it would have been way too much, it might have looked like a tourism offer LOL.

I'll try and wrap up this newest rambling of mine by going back a bit into the whole question of love, cause that's what this thread is all about, at the end of the day, right? I was thinking about the question what is love, and I came up with some answers. I am sure all of you can find similar meanings, if not in different lights and prisms. In my humble guess

LOVE IS............watching the sunset and remain in awe at the splendor of the clouds and the hues in the sky
LOVE IS.............a Saturday morning wearing nothing but a shirt of his and walking around the house
LOVE IS.............sitting around a coffetable with friends reminiscing about exams in school and the awful, dreadful teachers which had 'tortured' your youth
LOVE IS.............being welcomed by the dogs when returning home after a 3 day trip and see them react as if they hadn't seen you in years
LOVE IS............picking up stawberries from your garden and thanking God for providing you the chance to do that
LOVE IS............eating broccoli made by your mother in law for the first time although you do not like it
LOVE IS.............eating a bit of broccoli made by your mother in law the second time before honestly telling her that you actually hate it
LOVE IS.............playing cards with your folks and the rest of the family, enjoying your birthday cake while receiving endless calls from friends wishing you well
LOVE IS.............trying to mop the floor in the living room while the cat can't stop playing with the strands of fabric
LOVE IS.............denying your child a second piece of chocolate and risk their resentment for the moment, because you know that is a smaller price to pay then to see them hurt
LOVE IS............creating an awkward handmade birthday card for him made out of cinnamon rolls and dried flowers and have it look like the work of a 6 year old and him loving it nonetheless
LOVE IS............watching cartoons long after you have 'left' childhood behind and still laugh at the same scenes in Tom and Jerry as you did when you were a child
LOVE IS............having a picnic with him on a one tree hill, where you made the sandwhiches and he filled the rest of the basket with drinks, napkins and everything else
LOVE IS............attending Easter mass in church and feel your spirit sour at midnight when the darkness of the night is pierced by the light of the Resurrection circulating from one candle held by people to the next
LOVE IS............taking care of youself and presenting yourself before him as you did when you first saw him, not taking for granted his love and his needs
LOVE IS............raising your children teaching them that no matter how much beauty, money or social status they might have, they should never consider themselves better than anyone else
LOVE IS...........leaving behind a house you built with sweat and tears because you know home is where the heart is
LOVE IS...........looking in his eyes and see the same wonderful man you fell in love with even if now, after many decades, he snors like a horse (do horses even do that? Lol) or asks you for the 10000th time where the salt at in the kitchen; or perhaps he was snoring even at the beginning?

And for a little musical interlude LOVE IS.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmRJo8RQ5sA from the wonderful guys the Verve – a nice little piece of music - romantic, socially aware and with a bit of a spiritual seasoning on the side, just how I love my art.

Since today is Thankgiving day in Canada (not that I come from there, I know Ape does), I would still like to thank all of you for sharing your thoughts and kindness here and to ask your forgiveness if at times my ramblings or interventions have been out of place or utterly senseless. Today is also Columbus day – just think, had Isabel of Castille not given him the money needed for the travel, we might not have had the chance to sit across the ocean and exchange views LOL. PEACE and LOVE and good night folks. I have a feeling a lot of the cluelessness of my posts has to do with the fact that I find myself writing well into the wee hours of the morning.

Ashtanga

11-10-2009, 11:52 PM

I know this is inviting Ashtanga to feel once again, no, there was no one in his heart at all because if there were he would have been with her.

I just want to add that in the end, it still all amounts to a dream. A love lived in song, and in what amounts to what Ashtanga ( ;) ) would refer to as, an imaginary dream.

The songs of Michael show feelings and love that he wanted to live in truth, but he only lived and felt in their songs. A dream imagery (such as SOS said :cheeky:) that he would like to live in the future. If two people truly love each other unconditionally and why not stay together? What could or would prevent this? If true love overcomes everything in life, there is no why to be afraid to live this love, be happy forever and unconditionally loved by this woman. And if that did not happen is because there really was not a true love and it was not the right person to stand next to Michael. When this happens, God takes our way what is bad and will harm us. :yes: I'm very realistic. Michael never had good people in your life. He was always surrounded by bad people. This is a proven fact. And I always felt that he always had difficulty in dealing with people: to have confidence. For him and for any celebrity is always so difficult to trust and believe in the people around you. How to make absolutely sure that these people are being truthful? If this is already so difficult in a professional relationship which always involves a lot of money, imagine the relationship between man and woman or a marriage. Michael has always had great experiences with people throughout his life and when it comes to a relationship, I'm sure that most attention was not only himself, but mainly by their children. Why but love Michael, she would have to also love their children. Why the love for him (relationship / marriage) was never a game, entertainment or any kind of joke. Feelings and especially love have always had a great value for Michael. The word L.O.V.E. means is a lot to Michael and why we saw the trailer for the movie "This is it" he paying attention to that word spelling. Why does love (true - it is always very important to stress that. lol!) Is the greatest feeling that drives everything in our lives. Love is the essence. (http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR&source=translation_link)
He would not want a woman just for fun from time to time with her. He wanted a real woman who loved him, unconditionally respected, understood and that was always at his side at all times of your life (good and bad). And they have a lover, friend, wife, girlfriend... was also a "mother" wonderful for your children to give them lots of love.

So, Michael never wanted and did not want just a "girlfriend" but a special woman (especially as it) to be his wife for the rest of his life. After all, I believe that with so much experience in life and I'm sure that as in his career he has always been very demanding of people. Michael would not be just flirting, flirting and flirting with her, he would MARRY that special woman. Then, in the midst of so many women around him, he never managed to find that special woman. No matter who it is (race, origin, age, rich or poor, famous or anonymous, not a fan or a fan...), he only cared for one thing: that love him, unconditionally respected, unconditional maternal love their children and I can not forget something very important : ALWAYS be honest with him. As I always say a female version of Michael Jackson. lol! :D:wub:

That's how I see and I'm sure this was also the view of Michael. :yes: Because I know that he just wanted an adventure and fun loving. He wanted to marry, to be loved and happy that their children will be loved by this woman, that woman respected and understood that she would never judge him, she shared with him the good times and bad. He wanted to grow old next to that woman. He wanted a real woman and strong as it ever was in life. But he never found. He never managed to find a woman that had these characteristics and qualities that really touched your heart and your soul with true love. Michael's love for this woman would have to be FOREVER. For Michael Jackson, has to be very, very, very special. She would have to be "The Woman". :wild: :wub:

I've written too much. Sorry for the size of my post. I'm always very excited when it comes to Michael Jackson... especially when it comes to love. :wub:

But I want to finish my post in style. With two pictures from my archive. But these pictures are very special, why are my favorite and portray the beauty of Michael. :wub:

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/invincible/appearances/virgin/inside/004.jpg

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/photoshoots/ebony/photoshoot/004.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 12:01 AM

LOVE IS............watching the sunset and remain in awe at the splendor of the clouds and the hues in the sky
LOVE IS.............a Saturday morning wearing nothing but a shirt of his and walking around the house
LOVE IS.............sitting around a coffetable with friends reminiscing about exams in school and the awful, dreadful teachers which had 'tortured' your youth
LOVE IS.............being welcomed by the dogs when returning home after a 3 day trip and see them react as if they hadn't seen you in years
LOVE IS............picking up stawberries from your garden and thanking God for providing you the chance to do that
LOVE IS............eating broccoli made by your mother in law for the first time although you do not like it
LOVE IS.............eating a bit of broccoli made by your mother in law the second time before honestly telling her that you actually hate it
LOVE IS.............playing cards with your folks and the rest of the family, enjoying your birthday cake while receiving endless calls from friends wishing you well
LOVE IS.............trying to mop the floor in the living room while the cat can't stop playing with the strands of fabric
LOVE IS.............denying your child a second piece of chocolate and risk their resentment for the moment, because you know that is a smaller price to pay then to see them hurt
LOVE IS............creating an awkward handmade birthday card for him made out of cinnamon rolls and dried flowers and have it look like the work of a 6 year old and him loving it nonetheless
LOVE IS............watching cartoons long after you have 'left' childhood behind and still laugh at the same scenes in Tom and Jerry as you did when you were a child
LOVE IS............having a picnic with him on a one tree hill, where you made the sandwhiches and he filled the rest of the basket with drinks, napkins and everything else
LOVE IS............attending Easter mass in church and feel your spirit sour at midnight when the darkness of the night is pierced by the light of the Resurrection circulating from one candle held by people to the next
LOVE IS............taking care of youself and presenting yourself before him as you did when you first saw him, not taking for granted his love and his needs
LOVE IS............raising your children teaching them that no matter how much beauty, money or social status they might have, they should never consider themselves better than anyone else
LOVE IS...........leaving behind a house you built with sweat and tears because you know home is where the heart is
LOVE IS...........looking in his eyes and see the same wonderful man you fell in love with even if now, after many decades, he snors like a horse (do horses even do that? Lol) or asks you for the 10000th time where the salt at in the kitchen; or perhaps he was snoring even at the beginning?
:clapping: :wild: It was so beautiful and true... I loved it! :wub:

A long time is right. I dusted off my cassette tape vault (really it's a storage box) :lol: and I do have one of her albums. It's the self-titled one which I think was her first so it doesn't have this particular song on it. :)

I liked this version (if even that song) sung by Safire. Yes, but what it indicates is that this music was stored. Why it was recorded in Mijac in 1980 and so has the vocals of the brothers. :)

Ok ladies, who's got the key????? lol.....sorry I'm a silly sleepy right now. lol

Well, I've been searching tirelessly for that key. lol! :wild: But I never found... :(

SoS

12-10-2009, 12:02 AM

queen_g that is a beautiful thought and of course, only God's will, will decide

Shabuya thanks for posting that and for the kudo. I'm going to save your post. I really like it. Thanks again.

and I agree with this highlighted part. I don't think 43 seconds(4+3=7 :huh:) :lol: wow great catch! another 7! :giggle: that is a hoot

I wonder if Michael chose his brothers to sing background? at least on MJ.com website it says they do. hmmmmm. Do you mean you wonder whether it was his idea or Kenny's? hm. I vote for MJ on that one.

What about that thread in GD about him being in-love with the video girl(s)?.....Maybe that's MJ's LITD?
Well, they have a fairly extensive history of knowing eachother. From the way I understand it, she was there in Ghosts in 2000, and was there in 2003 to coordinate guests for the party held for him at Neverland by his celeb friends, and he went through the trial seemingly without any female at his side (although that's not a guarantee), then he musically released Fall Again, and The Way You Love Me (all about "you'll see" implying future person he's never touched), and according to Firpo Carr MJ contacted her "when he returned from the Middle East" (vs. taking her with him?) in 2006, then in late 2006 she happened to move to Vegas and they happened to run into eachother which if true means they obviously weren't together, they were scheduled to meet on June 26th after she kept putting it off ... um...my take on it? ... a love? maybe. The LITD? um not imho.

What I find interesting is MJ would say the lyrics came from somewhere else, they were sent from God? True love is also a gift brought into our life by God or something/someone greater than ourself. Maybe God or something/someone higher was having MJ go through all these emotions throughout the years so when the day finally came he was able to recognize that it really is TRUE and that it is REAL? We all are taught lessons or given tests throughout life. Could be since music is MJ's calling that's how the lessons of love were taught to him over the years, he was being prepared for the day "she" would come into his life. :) I agree and what a sweet way to put it. :)

What kind of experience :blink: :unsure: lol..and there's "not able to touch" again like Justus and Victoria previously posted something about "touch". I have to go back and read all that again, it's not processing in my sleepyhead at the moment dang it. :yawn: LOL There are a lot of ways a person can 'experience' another person without there being any more to it than an experience. Let me count the ways ... u know what i mean?

My uncle 'experienced' the girl he'd been in love with in high school ... he got to carry her books one time ... watching her leave the house every day ... dang near knocking her over as he barrelled around the corner on his bike ... :lol:

ya know?

If two people truly love each other unconditionally and why not stay together? What could or would prevent this? If true love overcomes everything in life, there is no why to be afraid to live this love, be happy forever? Ash as I was just trying to illustrate by telling the story of my uncle, and there are so many others, life is not always as simple as all that. You can see Michael attracted a lot of really bad people into his life.

Whatever the energy was that was pulling all those bad people into his world, was also probably the same energy that prevented the light of pure love from landing simply and comfortably into his life. It could also explain his reluctance to bring someone into that situation, as he himself was terrified and the largeness of the money involved probably kept the situation continually complex and complicated.

Life is not always as simple as we would like to make it sometimes and Michael's life has been anything but.

Lily

12-10-2009, 01:05 AM

:lol: wow great catch! another 7! :giggle: that is a hoot

We're just all full of surprises here. Things popping up around every corner in the LITD thread. :cheeky: Gotta LOVE dreams, hope, imagination.....lol

Do you mean you wonder whether it was his idea or Kenny's? hm. I vote for MJ on that one.

Even if the recording of this particular song was recent do you think he would have had his brothers singing the background? It may be possible. Who knows. What I'd be disappointed to find out is that Sony in some way has manipulated what Michael originally created to what they want.

Just my random thought I guess.....

I agree and what a sweet way to put it. :)

Thank you :flowers:

There are a lot of ways a person can 'experience' another person without there being any more to it than an experience. Let me count the ways ... u know what i mean?

Yes, I get it :swoon: LOL.

Seems this "experience" was a lasting one and stuck with him. "She" must have been something special to leave that kind of impression. Very sweet. :girl_in_love:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 01:12 AM

Ash as I was just trying to illustrate by telling the story of my uncle, and there are so many others, life is not always as simple as all that. You can see Michael attracted a lot of really bad people into his life.

Whatever the energy was that was pulling all those bad people into his world, was also probably the same energy that prevented the light of pure love from landing simply and comfortably into his life. It could also explain his reluctance to bring someone into that situation, as he himself was terrified and the largeness of the money involved probably kept the situation continually complex and complicated.

Life is not always as simple as we would like to make it sometimes and Michael's life has been anything but.

:agree: Ok.

Now I'll explain my thoughts on it. I know you will understand me (but I'm sure it will not agree with me. lol! :wild:). Kidding! :D

But I KNOW that nothing in life is simple and especially the life of Michael. I know this whole scene of Michael's life that you reported. Everyone knows. What I'm saying is that because the love overcomes all, nothing would prevent him from this love happen. So I said that she would have to be "The Woman" to stand next to Michael. Because I know that his life was never simple. She'd have to really truly love him to face life with him. Being a woman really very, very, very strong at all times. Even though the time was not ripe for love, even if Michael did not want to welcome the love that moment of your life, everyone knows that no one tells the heart. It is very important to remember that a relationship will never be always full of moments of joy, love and happiness, there are bad times and this is the best proof to show how this love is real and strong. Why is it in bad times you know what is real and fake around them.

And love just happens when we least expect when you enter on our way to the RIGHT person that both seek. Love comes without warning, without the year, day, time and location marked. And if suddenly in the midst of all that Michael found the true love he sought and both fall in love and she also felt that true love for him and matched him? How could he do? He would run away? He would run away, showing disdain for this woman's true love for him, unaware that he was really feeling the love for this woman, he would close his heart to prevent the entry of that love and stop being truly happy and loved? Sometimes when we think it's the wrong time for certain things happen, it is often the opposite. When this happens is that that is the right moment to happen. And God always does the right things and is always for our good. God always challenges and there is no escape. Remember that NOTHING in life happens as planned. We can plan some things in our lives, but at some point things change the way something goes wrong and things do not happen as planned. Everything happens unexpectedly when you least expect it and is not (and NEVER will be) different with love. :)

8701girl

12-10-2009, 01:34 AM

YAY!!! omg i have missed u all like crazy!! :hug:

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 01:40 AM

What I'm saying is that because the love overcomes all, nothing would prevent him from this love happen.

Perhaps it is still yet to happen. God's delays are not necessarily His denials.:)

Sdeidjs

12-10-2009, 01:42 AM

MY goodness gracious...Ladies & Gents there has been allot posted these last 3 or 4 days...

My take on love/true love:

Christianity

The Christian understanding is that love comes from God. The love of man and woman—eros in Greek—and the unselfish love of others (agape), are often contrasted as "ascending" and "descending" love, respectively, but are ultimately the same thing.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love#cite_note-vatican1-15)

There are several Greek words for "love" that are regularly referred to in Christian circles.

Agape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape): In the New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament), agapē (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape) is charitable, selfless, altruistic, and unconditional. It is parental love, seen as creating goodness in the world; it is the way God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God) is seen to love humanity, and it is seen as the kind of love that Christians aspire to have for one another.
Phileo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phileo): Also used in the New Testament, phileo is a human response to something that is found to be delightful. Also known as "brotherly love."
Two other words for love in the Greek language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love#ancient_greek), eros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_%28love%29) (sexual love) and storge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storge) (child-to-parent love), were never used in the New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament).

Christians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) believe that to Love God with all your heart, mind, and strength and Love your neighbor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighbor) as yourself are the two most important things in life (the greatest commandment of the Jewish Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah), according to Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus); cf. Gospel of Mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark) chapter 12, verses 28–34). Saint Augustine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo) summarized this when he wrote "Love God, and do as thou wilt."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apostle_Paul)
The Apostle Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apostle_Paul) glorified love as the most important virtue of all. Describing love in the famous poem in 1 Corinthians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_to_the_Corinthians), he wrote, "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, and always perseveres." (1 Cor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Corinthians) 13:4–7, NIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIV))

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle)
The Apostle John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle) wrote, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."

(John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John) 3:16–18, NIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIV))
John also wrote, "Dear friends, let us love one another for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." (1 John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_John) 4:7–8, NIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIV))

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo)
Saint Augustine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo) says that one must be able to decipher the difference between love and lust. Lust, according to Saint Augustine, is an overindulgence, but to love and be loved is what he has sought for his entire life. He even says, “I was in love with love.” Finally, he does fall in love and is loved back, by God. Saint Augustine says the only one who can love you truly and fully is God, because love with a human only allows for flaws such as “jealousy, suspicion, fear, anger, and contention.” According to Saint Augustine, to love God is “to attain the peace which is yours.” (Saint Augustine's Confessions)

Christian theologians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) see God as the source of love, which is mirrored in humans and their own loving relationships. Influential Christian theologian C.S. Lewis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S._Lewis) wrote a book called The Four Loves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Loves).

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_XVI)
Benedict XVI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_XVI) wrote his first encyclical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclical) on "God is love (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_caritas_est)." He said that a human being, created in the image of God, who is love, is able to practice love; to give himself to God and others (agape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape)) and by receiving and experiencing God's love in contemplation (eros). This life of love, according to him, is the life of the saints such as Teresa of Calcutta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa) and the Blessed Virgin Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessed_Virgin_Mary) and is the direction Christians take when they believe that God loves them.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love#cite_note-vatican1-15)

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Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 01:49 AM

Perhaps it is still yet to happen. God's delays are not necessarily His denials.:)
Yes! It's never too late to make things happen. :cheeky:

*Sdeidjs, thank you for your lovely post! :) :angel:

8701girl

12-10-2009, 01:51 AM

Yes! It's never too late to make things happen. :cheeky:

I agree!

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 01:58 AM

I agree!
:wild: :D

Hey, you were missing out. lol! :yes: I'm glad you came back. :dancin:

Run... you have a lot to read here. :wild:

tha

12-10-2009, 02:05 AM

Yes! It's never too late to make things happen. :cheeky:

Yeah, yeah!!! You're right!!! :yes:

P.S.: You all write a lot and I'm totally lost here! :lol: I can hardly understand the "Portuguese" much less I can understand the "English"! :lmao: Would it be nice if you write a little in "portuguese"! :lol:

8701girl

12-10-2009, 02:06 AM

:wild: :D

Hey, you were missing out. lol! :yes: I'm glad you came back. :dancin:

Run... you have a lot to read here. :wild:

Thanx!!!

Yes i have a lot 2 read.....and i hate when that happens!! :lol:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 02:18 AM

Yeah, yeah!!! You're right!!! :yes:

P.S.: You all write a lot and I'm totally lost here! :lol: I can hardly understand the "Portuguese" much less I can understand the "English"! :lmao: Would it be nice if you write a little in "portuguese"! :lol:
:doh: It had to be Brazilian... lol! :wild:

Hey, if I write in Portuguese no one here will understand me! lol! :wild:

Thanx!!!

Yes i have a lot 2 read.....and i hate when that happens!! :lol:
:wild: :wild: :wild:

8701girl

12-10-2009, 02:20 AM

Can i just skip the reading...pretty please????

SoS

12-10-2009, 02:36 AM

We're just all full of surprises here. Things popping up around every corner in the LITD thread. :cheeky: Gotta LOVE dreams, hope, imagination.....lol So true. :) All power to the imagination!

Even if the recording of this particular song was recent do you think he would have had his brothers singing the background? It may be possible. Who knows. What I'd be disappointed to find out is that Sony in some way has manipulated what Michael originally created to what they want.

Just my random thought I guess.....I don't know why not. There was all that back & forth about him working with the brothers so this could have been some sort of answer to that whole problem perhaps?

Yes, I get it :swoon: LOL. um :scratch: not quite sure why you fainted :giggle: unless maybe it meant, "are you kidding!??" kind of thing LOL

Seems this "experience" was a lasting one and stuck with him. "She" must have been something special to leave that kind of impression. Very sweet. :girl_in_love: I guess it was either very sweet or very strange, or very tragic or just very sad ... or what ... still trying to figure that one out.

You all write a lot and I'm totally lost here! :lol: I can hardly understand the "Portuguese" much less I can understand the "English"! :lmao: Would it be nice if you write a little in "portuguese"! :lol: oh ok tha why suuuuuure! See it was like this, um ... Miquel compor amor en trevas todavia esperando por sue mesmo que tempo nem suficiente

Well, that's pretty much it in a nutshell! :D

:toofunny: sometimes I crak me up!

:giggle:

MP you and queen_g are thinking along the same lines I see! Keeping hope alive! Love does hope all things now doesn't it. :)

8701girl :yes: you have a lot of catching up to do and good 2 c u!

8701girl

12-10-2009, 02:40 AM

8701girl :yes: you have a lot of catching up to do and good 2 c u!

Yes i know! makes me :angel: i had super reading powers! lol

and its good 2 cu 2!

tha

12-10-2009, 02:55 AM

oh ok tha why suuuuuure! See it was like this, um ... Miquel compor amor en trevas todavia esperando por sue mesmo que tempo nem suficiente

Well, that's pretty much it in a nutshell! :D

:toofunny: sometimes I crak me up!

:giggle:

:lol: :lmao: :hysterical:

Thanks for this, but it is better to write im English! :lol:

Lily

12-10-2009, 02:59 AM

Can i just skip the reading...pretty please????

I'll give you the DMJFLITD cliff notes.....:cheeky: LOL

"It's all about LOVE L.O.V.E." :heart:

um :scratch: not quite sure why you fainted :giggle: unless maybe it meant, "are you kidding!??" kind of thing LOL

It was one of those "this isn't that difficult to understand Lily" and "I get it now reactions" LOL I'm just slow sometimes, especially when I'm sleepy. LOL

Lisha

12-10-2009, 03:04 AM

:popcorn:.

tha

12-10-2009, 03:05 AM

It was one of those "this isn't that difficult to understand Lily" and "I get it now reactions" LOL I'm just slow sometimes, especially when I'm sleepy. LOL

And I'm slow all the time! :lol:

I'm just "talking" nonsense here so I'll post a pic to compensate:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1227/6e14de5e.jpg

Lily

12-10-2009, 03:26 AM

Maybe....just maybe...that lasting experience, that stuck with him, that was either very sweet, strange, or very [near] tragic...

is that MJ, dang near, knocked her over by almost running over her in his car while driving!!! That would leave a lasting impression on the both of them, wouldn't it? And we HAVE ALL heard stories about his driving...

Not so very far-fetched. :no:

Sounds like love to me.

OMG :o

Good night ladies, I've got a couple Cinderella movies to watch on tv. :girl_in_love: See you soon. :)

Lainy

12-10-2009, 03:27 AM

I'm trying for hours to read all the posts since my last visit here... and OMG! you all write a lot... :wild: but everything has a special meaning for me ... so I can't stop reading all!:blush:

I would like to give many quotes here .. but this could get boring and long and I may run the risk of talk nonsense! :giggle:

But I see that the predominant subject it's love! wow! I love talking about the LOVE that is so complex and often we haven't a precise concept...

Well .. as to whether there was or not a woman in Michael's life, I have a opinion, although all may disagree and I respect ..
No doubt Michael has a poetic soul, which makes me believe that he uses music to verbalize the love and perhaps an idealized woman, who can admire and be proud ... a heroine perhaps?! (we know idealizations cause disappointments) ... I wish he had found true love and real someone and not just a personification of their inner feelings... :wub:

But as the MP posted earlier:
"Perhaps it is still yet to happen. God's delays are not necessarily His denials."

God knows what is the best for each one of us, and I sure that He is preparing something very good ... To God NOTHING is impossible .. But it is up to us to realize and welcoming His messages and His small signs! :smilerolleyes:

PS: I'm sorry if I left the subject, I think that while I typed this post, ten had already been published! :lol:

Justus

12-10-2009, 03:32 AM

Oh geez I have so many pages to look through. You all have been busy!!!

ANd Victoria thank you for letting everyone know what happened the other day (or was it yesterday? I don't know. Time is irrelevant.). Anyway, thank you. I hope things get better with that whole mess.

Hopefully I'll get to respond more?? I don't know.

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 03:32 AM

MP Keeping hope alive! Love does hope all things now doesn't it. :)

Yes, hope springs eternal when you are like me and a little :crazy:)

Lainy

12-10-2009, 03:32 AM

I have not spoken?! many things to read again! :doh: I'm going crazy! :punk: :dancin:

tha

12-10-2009, 03:43 AM

Lainy

12-10-2009, 03:53 AM

Yes, hope springs eternal when you are like me and a little :crazy:)

The hope is eternal like the ability to love! Where there is love there is hope!

I already don't know if the things that I think make sense! :unsure:

Doesn't need to make sense! :cheeky: Just believe ... And wait ... And, the more God will do! Or we'll going crazy together!? :smilerolleyes: :cheeky:

Justus

12-10-2009, 03:55 AM

Here is what is certain, right now, at this time, I have absolutely nothing relevent to ANYTHING to say! hhaha :D Wow. I'm, just here. and that's all.

Lainy

12-10-2009, 04:00 AM

Here is what is certain, right now, at this time, I have absolutely nothing relevent to ANYTHING to say! hhaha :D Wow. I'm, just here. and that's all.

:giggle: :lol: :lmao:

Ok! I'm just here too! you are not alone!

Justus

12-10-2009, 04:01 AM

:lol:

Hey, I loved the wording in Justus' post and liked that choice of figure of speech, very fun... and I really wanted to smile on what was said and just enjoy it...but then...

and this is dangerous for me and anyone else around...

I, um, started thinking.

*gasp*

Thinkin' about what? Gasping about what? Slow down, breathe, it's okay, you CAN talk to me.

So?......

Lisha

12-10-2009, 04:05 AM

:popcorn:

tha

12-10-2009, 04:09 AM

Doesn't need to make sense! :cheeky: Just believe ... And wait ... And, the more God will do! Or we'll going crazy together!? :smilerolleyes: :cheeky:

I think we'll going crazy together, Lu!!! :( (I'm tired of a lot of things!)

TialovesMJ

12-10-2009, 04:17 AM

Did you guys hear the "This is It" song yet?? I love MJs voice :wub:

When i heard this song i thought of this thread.

tha

12-10-2009, 04:28 AM

TialovesMJ

12-10-2009, 04:30 AM

Yes! I loved, loved, loved!! I confess that I cried a little! What a anger of this fact!! But this song is beautiful, perfect! I can't explain his voice and much less what I feel when I hear it! Later (after I recover) I'll comment it better! :wub:

Same here.. It was emotional listening to the song!! I almost got teary eyed, but overall it was beautiful.. Hopefully someone can intepret this song! :D

tha

12-10-2009, 04:33 AM

Did you guys hear the "This is It" song yet?? I love MJs voice :wub:

When i heard this song i thought of this thread.

Yes! I loved, loved, loved!! I confess that I cried a little! What a anger of this fact!! But this song is beautiful, perfect! I can't explain his voice and much less what I feel when I hear it! Later (after I recover) I'll comment it better! :wub:

"Ooh, yeah
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
Come on, please, baby
I'm trustin'"

Oh, God! Michael is trying to kill me! ^_^

No-Body

12-10-2009, 04:35 AM

I got the song playin' on repeat, but unfortunately I gotta go get ready for work. Yall enjoy it for me as well, will ya? DREAMY is the word that best describes it. Love it and love the fact that we are all sharing this moment. Hugs

Lainy

12-10-2009, 04:52 AM

I think the site is jammed! I can not open ... *running in circles* here :woohoo:

Got! I can't stop listening! :woohoo:
that beautiful voice! soft, sweet ... OMG! now *running in circles * I love you Michael! You're PERFECT! :wub::wub:

tha

12-10-2009, 04:55 AM

The letter is different from "I Never Heard" that he wrote for Safire, right?!

Lily

12-10-2009, 05:01 AM

His voice.....*sigh*

TialovesMJ

12-10-2009, 05:21 AM

Yes! I loved, loved, loved!! I confess that I cried a little! What a anger of this fact!! But this song is beautiful, perfect! I can't explain his voice and much less what I feel when I hear it! Later (after I recover) I'll comment it better! :wub:

"Ooh, yeah
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn't my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
Come on, please, baby
I'm trustin'"

Oh, God! Michael is trying to kill me! ^_^

I love those lines to the song!! :wub:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 05:32 AM

The song "This is it"... I'm speechless. :wub:

What I can say is that Michael just kills me with pride... ALWAYS! I'm so proud of this man! :yes:

Thanks for that Michael! :wub::wub::wub:

tha

12-10-2009, 05:54 AM

What I can say is that Michael just kills me with pride... ALWAYS! I'm so proud of this man! :yes:

So am I, Ash!!!! He always surprises me! :) :wub:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 05:57 AM

So am I, Ash!!!! He always surprises me! :) :wub:
:yes:

That's all for L.O.V.E. :wub:

tha

12-10-2009, 06:10 AM

Now that I got "THIS IS IT" in my cell, I can sleep listening it and happy! :D

Good night, people!!! And Happy Children's Day! (today in Brazil is the Children's Day) :)

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 07:21 AM

Here is what is certain, right now, at this time, I have absolutely nothing relevent to ANYTHING to say! hhaha :D Wow. I'm, just here. and that's all.

Wow! I don't think those words were ever uttered by anyone in this thread ever!:lol:

Sdeidjs

12-10-2009, 10:23 AM

Yes! It's never too late to make things happen. :cheeky:

*Sdeidjs, thank you for your lovely post! :) :angel:

I am pleased that you are pleased...Your very welcome!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

8701girl

12-10-2009, 11:28 AM

Aww that sweet that brazil has childrens day :wub: Mike would have loved that if he knew.

tha

12-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Wow! I don't think those words were ever uttered by anyone in this thread ever!:lol:

:yes:

Aww that sweet that brazil has childrens day :wub: Mike would have loved that if he knew.

I think he knows!!! ;) :wub:

I'm still listening THIS IS IT!

SoS

12-10-2009, 03:07 PM

:agree: Ok.

Now I'll explain my thoughts on it. I know you will understand me (but I'm sure it will not agree with me. lol! :wild:). Kidding! :D

But I KNOW that nothing in life is simple and especially the life of Michael. I know this whole scene of Michael's life that you reported. Everyone knows. What I'm saying is that because the love overcomes all, nothing would prevent him from this love happen. So I said that she would have to be "The Woman" to stand next to Michael. Because I know that his life was never simple. She'd have to really truly love him to face life with him. Being a woman really very, very, very strong at all times. Even though the time was not ripe for love, even if Michael did not want to welcome the love that moment of your life, everyone knows that no one tells the heart. It is very important to remember that a relationship will never be always full of moments of joy, love and happiness, there are bad times and this is the best proof to show how this love is real and strong. Why is it in bad times you know what is real and fake around them.

And love just happens when we least expect when you enter on our way to the RIGHT person that both seek. Love comes without warning, without the year, day, time and location marked. And if suddenly in the midst of all that Michael found the true love he sought and both fall in love and she also felt that true love for him and matched him? How could he do? He would run away? He would run away, showing disdain for this woman's true love for him, unaware that he was really feeling the love for this woman, he would close his heart to prevent the entry of that love and stop being truly happy and loved? Sometimes when we think it's the wrong time for certain things happen, it is often the opposite. When this happens is that that is the right moment to happen. And God always does the right things and is always for our good. God always challenges and there is no escape. Remember that NOTHING in life happens as planned. We can plan some things in our lives, but at some point things change the way something goes wrong and things do not happen as planned. Everything happens unexpectedly when you least expect it and is not (and NEVER will be) different with love. :) I hear you and I agree, its just I don't think its about him closing his heart or not closing his hear or her being strong or not being strong because surely in these important things they would be a match if they are for eachother. Simplicity aught to rule in Love but .......it just doesn't always. For instance, human complexities do come into the equation, for an example, even though "love is long-sufferring', Michael has been a long-sufferer himself in his life, meaning, maybe he'd rather deprive himself of certain things (suffer) than to risk putting someone he loves at risk of the kinds of dangers he had to face, and if she is as you say,
"his match" then "she" may be the exact same way. I think again of the song, You Are Not Alone he said, "your burdens I will bear". Maybe she, like him, didn't want to put any burdens on him, just as he maybe didn't want to put any on her. Surely "she" would have been willing to brave the throngs of men, women and children that would deluge his life just about all day every day, because that comes with not only what he does, but who he is, but that's not to say he wanted to put her through that. If there was not a lot of communication he couldn't have known she was this way. Same may have pertained to "her". If, at a distance, they 'knew', maybe that was enough, due to the situation being how it was. :) Oh well, just wanted to type that thought I had out.

On another note, um no pun intended but how 'bout the new song? :D

I love it. I don't agree with many fans that it sounds like 1980s MJ though. Not to me anyway. To me his voice didn't sound anything like that back then. This tone to me is a lot more experienced and sounds like he's singing through the a long time of exprience. I still can't tell if it fits the thread, although on the surface there are many verses that do seem to, but I can't really tell what the song is about. I love it though. Its so wonderful to hear his voice again :swoon: This Is It

Lily

12-10-2009, 04:19 PM

I love the song. Michaels tone is different, this is the intensity I was thinking about when I posted about how different the voice tone in "Beautiful Girl" and the more recent "Hold My Hand" sound. I'm not sure when it was recorded but MJ seems happy, his energy is different. His voice sounds amazing. :girl_sigh: :heart:

I don't know right now in what way(s) it relates to this thread either, but I'd rather be here thinking and talking about it. In the other threads people are too busy being negative and criticizing, they forget to enjoy the beauty of the moment.

btw, does anyone have these particular lyrics yet?

tha

12-10-2009, 04:49 PM

I don't know right now in what way(s) it relates to this thread either, but I'd rather be here thinking and talking about it. In the other threads people are too busy being negative and criticizing, they forget to enjoy the beauty of the moment.

btw, does anyone have these particular lyrics yet?

Exactly! They forget to enjoy the beauty of THIS moment!!!

THIS IS IT (would it be the lyrics?)

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes [?]
But you say you gonna live it for yourself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say,
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before.
And you said to me you don’t wnat me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 05:15 PM

On another note, um no pun intended but how 'bout the new song? :D

I love it. I don't agree with many fans that it sounds like 1980s MJ though. Not to me anyway. To me his voice didn't sound anything like that back then. This tone to me is a lot more experienced and sounds like he's singing through the a long time of exprience. I still can't tell if it fits the thread, although on the surface there are many verses that do seem to, but I can't really tell what the song is about. I love it though. Its so wonderful to hear his voice again :swoon: This Is It

As I said here at some point, a song with the same name (This is it) was recorded in Mijac in 1980, then this song is from 1980. (This information is posted on the forum on any topic, and was released in September). What happened is that Michael has changed the lyrics of this song and probably the melody too. I do not doubt that there must be several versions of the lyrics of that song.

And as I said, for me it does not matter when the song (many fans are discussing it and I get so irritated with this kind of thing). The song is beautiful and as always Michael's voice is impeccable and he sings with such passion, emotion and L.O.V.E. That's all that matters to me... :wub:

"This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real"

"I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand"

P.S. This passage confirms what I said in my previous post:

"Love comes without warning, without the year, day, time and location marked.

Remember that NOTHING in life happens as planned. We can plan some things in our lives, but at some point things change the way something goes wrong and things do not happen as planned. Everything happens unexpectedly when you least expect it and is not (and NEVER will be) different with love." :)

"This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way"

:wub:

tha

12-10-2009, 05:20 PM

As I said here at some point, a song with the same name (This is it) was recorded in Mijac in 1980, then this song is from 1980. (This information is posted on the forum on any topic, and was released in September). What happened is that Michael has changed the lyrics of this song and probably the melody too. I do not doubt that there must be several versions of the lyrics of that song.

And as I said, for me it does not matter when the song (many fans are discussing it and I get so irritated with this kind of thing). The song is beautiful and as always Michael's voice is impeccable and he sings with such passion, emotion and L.O.V.E. That's all that matters to me... :wub:

Exactly, Ash! :yes: This is all that really matters!! :)

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 05:40 PM

Exactly, Ash! :yes: This is all that really matters!! :)

:yes:

This reminds me of a passage from the song "Nothing Really Matters" Madonna's album Ray of Light (1998):

Nothing really matters
Love is all we need
Everything I give you
All comes back to me

:wub:

tha

12-10-2009, 06:17 PM

:yes:

This reminds me of a passage from the song "Nothing Really Matters" Madonna's album Ray of Light (1998):

Nothing really matters
Love is all we need
Everything I give you
All comes back to me

:wub:

This reminds me the Richie Sambora's song: All That Really Matters ^_^

"You'll always be my sweet addiction
in this life my saving grace
you're all that really matters
you know it's true
ain't no me without you"

:wub:

Ape

12-10-2009, 06:32 PM

If there was not a lot of communication he couldn't have known she was this way. Same may have pertained to "her". If, at a distance, they 'knew', maybe that was enough, due to the situation being how it was. :) Oh well, just wanted to type that thought I had out.

On another note, um no pun intended but how 'bout the new song? :D

I love it. I don't agree with many fans that it sounds like 1980s MJ though. Not to me anyway. To me his voice didn't sound anything like that back then. This tone to me is a lot more experienced and sounds like he's singing through the a long time of exprience. I still can't tell if it fits the thread, although on the surface there are many verses that do seem to, but I can't really tell what the song is about. I love it though. Its so wonderful to hear his voice again :swoon: This Is It
Hello :)
A couple things I think. I don't think they didn't have communication. How can they fall in love without communication? If they don't have that, they only have infatuation I think. So I'm sure they must (have) communicate/d. How could they not have? He probably knows/knew her inside out.

With the song that has been released, I believe part of it is newer, and part is older? So some parts of it were redone and then mixed together with the older to make this. If you closely listen to it, parts sound closer and slightly better quality recording than others. His voice is slightly different in parts than others though it goes together very well and is hard to tell. Some of the lyrics are different in the song than what's been posted. I love the light sound to it... OH.. Light! Did MJ find love in the DARK? as Justus said, yes in the dark, but also in the light :) . Here is the light. I love how he says "this love" and later on "I'm the light of YOUR world".

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 06:33 PM

Tha, to get better:

Picture today:

http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appearances/jesse/006.jpg
Richie Sambora's song for Michael:

"You'll always be my sweet addiction
in this life my saving grace
you're all that really matters
you know it's true
ain't no me without you"

:wub::wub::wub:

*The words of the song of Richie Sambora is perfect for Michael...

Lily

12-10-2009, 06:51 PM

Nice post Ape. :)

Thanks for posting the lyrics Tha. :)

When I read the lyrics I get the feeling they knew each other in another lifetime, 2 kindred spirits/soulmates that have been brought together by destiny unexpectedly in the present, and they felt it. A beautiful love that makes both of their hearts glow with happiness.

..or maybe that's just my dream for Michael.....

Remember that NOTHING in life happens as planned. We can plan some things in our lives, but at some point things change the way something goes wrong and things do not happen as planned. Everything happens unexpectedly when you least expect it and is not (and NEVER will be) different with love." :)

I'm going to have to disagree with some of this. I think saying that NOTHING happens as planned is setting yourself for NOTHING to happen as planned. Life and all of it's experiences happen for a reason and if something is meant to be, it just is. But to say that NOTHING happens as planned imo is negative thinking as if you set yourself up for possible failure.

"Love comes without warning, without the year, day, time and location marked.

This I agree with.....LOVE just IS.

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 07:06 PM

... I think again of the song, You Are Not Alone he said, "your burdens I will bear". Maybe she, like him, didn't want to put any burdens on him, just as he maybe didn't want to put any on her.

I always thought "You Are Not Alone" was a pivotal song to the relationship. I think this may have been the first song in which "she" was probably finally able to recognize herself - if their relationship was truly "spiritual" - since the song is about two people having a more "spiritual" connection rather than a physical one, if you really listen to the lyrics. I mean, who's gonna recognize themselves in a song like "P.Y.T." or "The Way You Make Me Feel" or any of the other songs. Those songs could've been about anybody or about nobody, but the song YANA speaks about a relationship that was truly unique, which I believe their's was.:yes:

On another note, um no pun intended but how 'bout the new song? :D

I love it. I don't agree with many fans that it sounds like 1980s MJ though. Not to me anyway. To me his voice didn't sound anything like that back then. This tone to me is a lot more experienced and sounds like he's singing through the a long time of exprience. I still can't tell if it fits the thread, although on the surface there are many verses that do seem to, but I can't really tell what the song is about. I love it though. Its so wonderful to hear his voice again :swoon: This Is It

Exactly! They forget to enjoy the beauty of THIS moment!!!

THIS IS IT (would it be the lyrics?)

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes [?]
But you say you gonna live it for yourself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say,
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before.
And you said to me you don’t wnat me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I can see how some of the lyrics could relate to this thread. One thing I wonder about is the lyric, "I never heard a single word about you." Is that a confirmation that she perhaps wasn't/isn't famous?

When I read the lyrics I get the feeling they knew each other in another lifetime, 2 kindred spirits/soulmates that have been brought together by destiny unexpectedly in the present, and they felt it. A beautiful love that makes both of their hearts glow with happines

Oh, this is a nice interpretation of the song!:)

Lisha

12-10-2009, 07:17 PM

:popcorn:

Lily

12-10-2009, 07:20 PM

Great post queen g. :)

I can see how some of the lyrics could relate to this thread. One thing I wonder about is the lyric, "I never heard a single word about you." Is that a confirmation that she perhaps wasn't/isn't famous?

Good catch MP and possibly someone not looking for the spotlight either. Just someone that loves him for him. TRUE LOVE. :)

Oh, this is a nice interpretation of the song!:)

Thank you :flowers:

summer

12-10-2009, 07:21 PM

I just wrote a reply, hit post and... got disconnected so everything I wrote was gone. :( I'll try to remember what I wrote. :lol:

I hear you and I agree, its just I don't think its about him closing his heart or not closing his hear or her being strong or not being strong because surely in these important things they would be a match if they are for eachother. Simplicity aught to rule in Love but .......it just doesn't always. For instance, human complexities do come into the equation, for an example, even though "love is long-sufferring', Michael has been a long-sufferer himself in his life, meaning, maybe he'd rather deprive himself of certain things (suffer) than to risk putting someone he loves at risk of the kinds of dangers he had to face, and if she is as you say,
"his match" then "she" may be the exact same way. I think again of the song, You Are Not Alone he said, "your burdens I will bear". Maybe she, like him, didn't want to put any burdens on him, just as he maybe didn't want to put any on her. Surely "she" would have been willing to brave the throngs of men, women and children that would deluge his life just about all day every day, because that comes with not only what he does, but who he is, but that's not to say he wanted to put her through that. If there was not a lot of communication he couldn't have known she was this way. Same may have pertained to "her". If, at a distance, they 'knew', maybe that was enough, due to the situation being how it was. :) Oh well, just wanted to type that thought I had out.

On another note, um no pun intended but how 'bout the new song? :D

I love it. I don't agree with many fans that it sounds like 1980s MJ though. Not to me anyway. To me his voice didn't sound anything like that back then. This tone to me is a lot more experienced and sounds like he's singing through the a long time of exprience. I still can't tell if it fits the thread, although on the surface there are many verses that do seem to, I but can't really tell what the song is about. I love it though. Its so wonderful to hear his voice again :swoon: This Is It

I can't really tell what the song is about either. I mean, the "I Never Heard" version was clear as day...but the lyrics on the version we heard just confuse me. I don't get most of it. :scratch::lol: I'm thinking the song Sony released is the demo and not the finished song. At least judging by the lyrics. The Michael we hear counting "1,2,3,4" in the beginning of the song sounds like "an 80's Michael" too. His voice, when he talked, sounded a bit deeper later on in life. But what also confuses me though is that his singing voice in the song sounds a bit deeper in tone and more mature than it did during the 80's. :scratch:So I don't really know what to make of it. But I like the song. :yes: The melody is nice and catchy and I've had the song stuck in my head ever since I heard part of it for the first time! :lol:

I love the song. Michaels tone is different, this is the intensity I was thinking about when I posted about how different the voice tone in "Beautiful Girl" and the more recent "Hold My Hand" sound. I'm not sure when it was recorded but MJ seems happy, his energy is different. His voice sounds amazing. :girl_sigh: :heart:

I don't know right now in what way(s) it relates to this thread either, but I'd rather be here thinking and talking about it. In the other threads people are too busy being negative and criticizing, they forget to enjoy the beauty of the moment.

btw, does anyone have these particular lyrics yet?

I agree...I don't really get all the negativity and all the "don't buy this and boycott that", etc. It actually worries me, if I'm honest. It scares me that MJ's fans could end up being his legacy's "downfall". And that would be a true tragedy and would make me incrediably sad because it would feel like Michael's whole life and hard work went to waste if that happend. I don't mean that we should blindly buy everything that has MJ's name on it. But this whole "blame anyone who is making profit after his death and boycott everything" type of "crusade" really really worries me. Simply because I don't understand why anyone (ESPECIALLY fans) would want something that would keep his legacy alive to fail? Let's say we all boycott the movie and the album...and everything else. If we do that it all will pretty soon disappear from the news...or at least it won't get positive coverage. And if there is no demand...there won't be any MJ stuff in the future either. That's just how it is. And then what? Will people remember Michael and still talk about him? The hardcore fans most likely yes...and I know the music should and WILL speak for itself...but if there is no one to bring it to the public's attention...will the new generations get to know about MJ if his name is not mentioned anywhere and if they stop promoting his albums and playing his music because there is "no demand" (because we boycott the songs and albums...:doh:). I mean, imagine if Elvis fans would have been like "DON'T go to Graceland evryone!! Boycott it!! Priscilla, etc. are only trying to make profit from it!" (and yes, of course people make profit from the Elvis stuff...but let's face it....because he is being marketed, people remember him and his music is brought to younger generations' attention so his legacy lives on that way). I personally am not a huge fan of Priscilla. To me she is a hypocrite and two-faced (I mean, if she implies that MJ used Lisa...but look at what she does with using Elvis' name. She wasn't even married to Elvis anymore when Elvis died, and has remarried, yet she keeps using the Presley name. :rolleyes:). But she has done a great job at building the "Elvis empire"...she seems to be a good business woman. So I have to give her that. She really knows how to market Elvis and Elvis has remained huge because of that. So say what you want about her, but that's something pretty genius she did. So I hope MJ fans won't kill MJ's legacy by naively boycotting everything and by being so negative and bitter. If there is one thing we can do for Michael, it's to try to keep him and his music and his legacy alive as long as we can. And we can only do that if new generations get to hear about him as well. And they won't, if we do whatever we can to block any kind of product, that would celebrate his life and his legacy, only because we are SO SCARED people might make profit. I do think that it should be the MJ Estate making most of the profit though. But that's just my opinion. Anyways...back to positive things! :cheers:

Exactly! They forget to enjoy the beauty of THIS moment!!!

THIS IS IT (would it be the lyrics?)

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes [?]
But you say you gonna live it for yourself :scratch:

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say,
I’m the light of the world, run away :scratch: (Run away WITH him? Or FROM him? :scratch::lol:)
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel (Feel what? That he's in love? Or what? :scratch: :lol:)

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before.
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before :scratch: (Do what? :scratch: :lol:)

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say (Say what? :scratch:)
And I tell you I feel that way (What way? :scratch:In love? :scratch:)

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself (Some of what? The feeling of being in love? Or a relationship? :scratch:Soem of his fame? :scratch: :lol:)
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while (I think he sings "on a ride")
And I know that it’s really cool myself (What's cool? That she won't go with him? Or that it's cool he feels in love? :scratch::lol:)

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I like the song a lot, but the lyrics just completely confuse me. I have no idea what he's trying to say (and I can't hear what he says during most parts either...at least not anything that would make sense to me?) :scratch: :lol: The "I Never Heard" was clearly a love song...the message was clear as day. But I don't get these lyrics. :scratch: Which is why I think it's the demo version and he was just singing whatever came to his mind to come up with the lyrics. You know..."love is a donut" style. :cheers: :lol: :lol:

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 07:30 PM

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 07:32 PM

..or maybe that's just my dream for Michael.....
:yes: (I know nobody will agree with me... lol! :wild: Just kidding!) :D

I'm going to have to disagree with some of this. I think saying that NOTHING happens as planned is setting yourself for NOTHING to happen as planned. Life and all of it's experiences happen for a reason and if something is meant to be, it just is. But to say that NOTHING happens as planned imo is negative thinking as if you set yourself up for possible failure.

I said:

"We can plan some things in our lives, but at some point things change the way something goes wrong and things do not happen as planned."

I did not mean "negative thinking as a preparation for a possible failure." (But failures happen from time to time and it's always good to be aware). I do not mean in a negative sense as you said, "NOTHING happens as planned is setting yourself for NOTHING to happen as planned"... What I mean is that we can make plans, the fact is that whenever something happens (good or bad - Life is not perfect and is also made of bad times that are important and needed to learn to be strong. I do not mean to be negative and negative thoughts. If people had the power to do good things only happen would be incredible. But nobody has that power. Only God can change the course of things, so life should be also done bad things that should not be seen as something negative but rather as a learning experience in life.:)) at some point we do take other decisions and changing the way things in our lives. Life is full of unexpected events, no one has a crystal ball at home to predict what will happen tomorrow, in the coming days, months and years. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. We can do an incredible plan for life, but it will not happen EXACTLY the way it is on paper. The direction of the way things change suddenly. And I know when something is to be, simply is: When is something really good and right for our life. God is in charge. He works with doubts, but with certainty and with what is really good and for our good. If he sees that what is coming is right and what we need, He will allow that to happen in our lives. :)

This I agree with.....LOVE just IS.
:yes: Wow! That's good! At least in something someone agrees with me. So, I do not feel so bad. :( I was happy! lol! :D Just kidding! :wild:

Lisha

12-10-2009, 07:34 PM

:popcorn:

summer

12-10-2009, 07:53 PM

"Don't walk away, see I just can't find the right thing to say.. I tried but all my pain get's in the way.."

"To tell you how I feel
But I am speechless, speechless
That's how you make me feel
Though I'm with you I am far away and nothing is for real
When I'm with you I am lost for words, I don't know what to say"

From Whatever happens:

"He doesn't know what to say"

maybe, maybe not..:tease:

Actually, after I heard about the Propofol and that MJ had used it before....I saw the lyrics to Whatever Happens in a whole new light. :scratch: Could it have been that someone knew about it and was very worried and wanted him to stop it, but he didn't want to or felt he couldn't. And tried to tell the person who knew that it's safe, and/or that he'll just use it now and will stop later on after the tour/whatever is over. :scratch:

"He gives another smile, tries to understand her side
To show that he cares
She can't stay in the room, She's consumed with everything that's been goin' on"
(She is not okay with him using it, and can't watch it, but also can't change his mind or stop him?)

"Everything will be alright, he assures her
But she doesn't hear a word that he says
Preoccupied, she's afraid
Afraid that what they're doing is not right"
(He's trying to tell her it's okay and it's safe to use it, but she's scared something will happen to him and something will go wrong. And she kind of knows it's really not safe and okay and not something one should be doing)

"He doesn't realize it's not the end of the world
It doesn't have to be that bad
She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"
(Let's say he felt he has to use Propofol during tours because he felt he couldn't handle the stress other wise or couldn't sleep...and felt if he didn't use that stuff he'd be unable to tour and would have to cancel, etc. and that would have been "the end of the world" in his mind...but it didn't "have to be that bad" in her opinion. And maybe he was feeling insecure and scared and felt he has to tour, etc. to be loved and she was trying to tell him that HE as a PERSON makes her happy...and she doesn't care about the fame stuff so much. Like she was trying to tell him "it's YOU that makes me happy"...not all the money, fame, etc. )

Anyways...that's sort of how I thought one could interpret that song, after I heard MJ had used Propofol...Then on the other hand I wonder if MJ would have been so analytical talking about HIS problem and if he would have seen her side so clearly? But it's possible, I guess. :scratch:

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 07:59 PM

sorry double post*

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 08:00 PM

Great examples. :)

Not easy, huh, to approach someone for the first time that you have only up to date had a "spiritual connection with" and loved from afar?

No can you imagine the moment..

Must be like this..: from Fall Again

" Something about you, starin' in your eyes
And everything I’m looking for I seem to find"

Must be terrifying.. and I think he knew it right there..

and that makes me wonder about the other part of Don't walk away..

these lyrics in particular..

"How can I begin again
How am I to understand
When there’s nothing left to do but walk away"

If you go, I won’t forget you girl
Can’t you see that you will always be
Even though I had to let you go
There’ nothing left to do
Don’t walk away

can someone, explain why he had to let her go??

That song is a mystery to me. it seems so back and forth.. maybe it has something to do with what Lily talked about in a post, about dreaming up your perfect girl, and then maybe, when she was finally there in front of him it was too big.. or he had promised himself to someone else, here I come to think of an older song.. here goes, lyrics from Can't let her get away: (those are - in my interpretation about a former love..)

"I Try So Hard To Love You
Some Things Take
Time And Shame
I Think The Whole World
Of You
Your Thoughts Of Me Remain
I'll Play The Fool For You
I'll Change The Rules For You
Just Say It And I'll Do
Just Make This Thing Come True"

"I Tried To Mastermind It"

If he had already felt this passionate about a girl, that was not miss right, would that conflict with getting together with his soulmate, what I mean is, did he already promise someone else "the kingdom".... by masterminding it...

Okay, I have no idea what I have gotten myself into.. can someone help??

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 08:02 PM

Actually, after I heard about the Propofol and that MJ had used it before....I saw the lyrics to Whatever Happens in a whole new light. :scratch: Could it have been that someone knew about it and was very worried and wanted him to stop it, but he didn't want to or felt he couldn't. And tried to tell the person who knew that it's safe, and/or that he'll just use it now and will stop later on after the tour/whatever is over. :scratch:

"He gives another smile, tries to understand her side
To show that he cares
She can't stay in the room, She's consumed with everything that's been goin' on"
(She is not okay with him using it, and can't watch it, but also can't change his mind or stop him?)

"Everything will be alright, he assures her
But she doesn't hear a word that he says
Preoccupied, she's afraid
Afraid that what they're doing is not right"
(He's trying to tell her it's okay and it's safe to use it, but she's scared something will happen to him and something will go wrong. And she kind of knows it's really not safe and okay and not something one should be doing)

"He doesn't realize it's not the end of the world
It doesn't have to be that bad
She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"
(Let's say he felt he has to use Propofol during tours because he felt he couldn't handle the stress other wise or couldn't sleep...and felt if he didn't use that stuff he'd be unable to tour and would have to cancel, etc. and that would have been "the end of the world" in his mind...but it didn't "have to be that bad" in her opinion. And maybe he was feeling insecure and scared and felt he has to tour, etc. to be loved and she was trying to tell him that HE as a PERSON makes her happy...and she doesn't care about the fame stuff so much. Like she was trying to tell him "it's YOU that makes me happy"...not all the money, fame, etc. )

Anyways...that's sort of how I thought one could interpret that song, after I heard MJ had used Propofol...Then on the other hand I wonder if MJ would have been so analytical talking about HIS problem and if he would have seen her side so clearly? But it's possible, I guess. :scratch:

I don't think the song is about Propofol..

:no:

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 08:08 PM

Okay, you speak of the possibility of this woman, the object of his Love, as never having actually "existed," because he only invented her out of his imagination.

You know, one important thing to keep in mind is that God often works through our imagination. If you notice, in the Bible, before God blesses Abraham with his promised child, he made him go out and look at the stars in the sky and imagine each one as one of his descendants. I think God likes to first plant a dream in our mind (or imagination) first to sort of help us focus.

Great examples. :)

Not easy, huh, to approach someone for the first time that you have only up to date had a "spiritual connection with" and loved from afar?

Yeah, I thought of this. I guess it would seem a little awkward. I mean, what do the two people do the first time they meet? Do they just pick up where they left off in the spirit realm or do they start over and walk around pretending like they never knew each other?:lol:

LindaC781

12-10-2009, 08:11 PM

Michael Jackson - This Is It Lyrics

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand

(he's feeling great, cause he found the love of his life...)
Got this love I can feel
(she's loving him back)
And I know yes for sure it is real
(She has a sincere show of love for him. It is true, and pure. Without complications)

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
(She's been in his thoughts and dreams, but he didn't know she existed)
And you said you really know me too yourself
(She's told him that she feels that she's known him for a long time...without meeting him)
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

(She is a strong, independent woman..She saw him, and it was instant attraction.. but she's not one to live or love totally for someone else...and this took her by surprise too!)

I never heard a single word about you
(She's not famous)

Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
(Out of the blue, it hit him)
C’mon baby, just understand
This is it, I can say,
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel
And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before.
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand
This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way
And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

MJJLaugh

12-10-2009, 08:12 PM

What made me smile at the end of the movie was when they said something like "He is always right here". I can't remember the exact quote but it was something like that and it made me smile through the tears because I was thinking "Imagine if it was like that with Michael too!". Anyways, the idea in the movie was very intriguing and I loved it. I'm not sure how much of it could ever be possible, then again, I also always think that look at everything we know now and the technology we have now... al things we never thought were possible like only 20 years ago. I think there are still so much we don't know, and scientists have said that humans use only 10% of their actual brain capacity...Imagine if we used all 100% of it! Imagine the possibilities. :wild: :scratch:Anyways, I couldn't keep this thread out of my mind when I was watching that movie because it went so well with this thread, and I was like "Imagine if that was the 'Love in the dark'-story...If that was MJ and that LITD girl!"...(Was not sure I wanted it to be that at the end of the movie, but I liked the thought in the beginning).

Anyways, do I believe MJ could time travel? Well, I guess knowing what we know now technology wise and "science wise"...I'd say, the IDEA is beautiful...but no. But who knows for sure really what we are really capable of doing. Like I said, I am convinced there are amazing things we'll be able to do in the future when we learn to use our brains more efficiently. Also, has any of you heard about Dr. Emoto's experiment with water? "Messages from water"? He discovered that music, environment and even just THOUGHTS can effect the way water crystals form. Bad environment, angry music and negative thoughts made the water crystals become deformed and ugly...and beautiful music, and positive thoughts created the most beautiful water crystals. I thought that was fascinating. I mean, when you consider a human body consists about 70% out of water...imagine what his discovery means! Also, has any of you read the book "What the Bleep Do We Know"...or any "quantum physics" books written by some of the scientists? It's really fascinating stuff. I have several books that hve to do with quantum physics and all that and it is incrediably intrigueing, and a reason why I'm open to "what if's". Because these are top scientists who are studying and writing about all this stuff...not some random people who were just released from some mental institute. Anyways, I don't know what my point is, but check out some quantum physics books and read about the water thingy. And what did that one message from MJ say last year? "Higher consciousness...subconscious being God". :scratch: :cheers: It never hurts to "expand one's horizons" conscious wise, does it? I mean, how can the human mind EVER discover anything if we close our minds to new ideas. I bet that's what scientists do...dream "big" and go "Well what about this one?! Imagine if this was possible!" and then they examine it and see if it COULD be possible. You know, not censor thoughts about what they THINK could or could not be possible, but just let ANYTHING be possible in their mind for a while without censorship, and then go from there. Anyone follow me and know what I mean? :lol: *singing* "To dream the impossibile dream"...:lol:

THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM (from The Man of La Mancha)

To dream ... the impossible dream ...
To fight ... the unbeatable foe ...
To bear ... with unbearable sorrow ...
To run ... where the brave dare not go ...
To right ... the unrightable wrong ...
To love ... pure and chaste from afar ...
To try ... when your arms are too weary ...
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

This is my quest, to follow that star ...
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far ...
To fight for the right, without question or pause ...
To be willing to march into Hell, for a Heavenly cause ...

And I know if I'll only be true, to this glorious quest,
That my heart will lie will lie peaceful and calm,
when I'm laid to my rest ...
And the world will be better for this:
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach ... the unreachable star ...

I do believe in soulmates and I do believe there is something that is "the one"...I'm just not sure if all of us are meant to get married and have kids. Maybe God had other things planned for some people...some other kind of "mission", for what ever reasons? I do believe things happen for a reason. :scratch: And i do believe all of us have some kind of "mission" and "purpouse" for being here, no matter how small and "insignificant" that "mission" might be. I mean, (and some may think this is absolutely stupid and insane, but I don't care, it's what I think)...do you know what just a simple smile can sometimes do? I think a lot of people are not aware of small things like that. So you know...what if your mission was for example to be in the right place at the right time to give that smile to someone who really needed it that moment. And that smile saved their life? Ad imagine if that person became something important later on...some revolutionary scientist who discovers the cure for some disease or something equally astonishing, and we would have lost that person, had it not been that one smile that gave him/her hope in human kind? It's just a random example, but I hope you know what I mean with "small things" that could have a huge impact for the whole world, even though those things might seem insignificant to us. I mean, how much does a smile cost? How much of your time does it take? Or something equally simple that takes none of our time nor money, but could mean the world to someone.

Anyways...just some random thoughts. I hope I don't sound like a complete "nut". :lol:

Summer I loved your post. Quantum physics is fascinating and so much is possible and I love the song from The Man of La Mancha.

I believe in soulmates too, but we aren't all meant to be together most likely. And it's true, small things can have a huge impact somehow, in ways we aren't even always aware of.

I love this thread and I feel like you are all my friends cos we think alike. Please continue your thought processes, it's a fascinating read. I will do my best to make a contribution as well.

Victoria83, I loved your thread earlier ( page 437 or something like that, the long one with the request for the video. I'm trying to find it for you.
Do you remember "
- the length of the video ?
- was it an old one ?
- did it have many views ?
- was the title long or short ?
- what was the length of the video approx ?
- was it on YouTube ?

I'm trying to find the singer the lyrics belong to, if you remember any other words or lines and type it in google followed by the word 'lyrics' it can help determine the artist. that can be helpful in case someone lists the artist and or song used in the video.

ok, back to the LITD thread....

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 08:12 PM

I just finally read this post of yours, Ash. Sometimes I go through the thread quickly and I do not read every post.

Some thoughts about what I bolded:

Okay, you speak of the possibility of this woman, the object of his Love, as never having actually "existed," because he only invented her out of his imagination. Could one thing be possible in this, though, that she does exist as a real live walking around the earth person that he saw...BUT, because he was too shy to meet her, or also, talked himself out of it because it was always so hard for him to have relationships with everyday people due to his celebrity (like Victoria and Justus brought up about his being unable to "touch" others or have personal contact with those he'd love to) that he was left loving her without really knowing her?

Many people when they have a crush, strong infactuation, or maybe an actual love for someone they really don't know, often do sort of "invent" what that person is like. They build them up so, and make them fit into their ideal mate, and they become in essence an "imaginary person." But, nevertheless, they do exist...they are an actual person.

Maybe his Lady friend is a real life gal living her life somewhere. If he met her maybe she would not match up to his ideal afterall. Maybe he knew this and worried that "he" would not possibly match up to her ideal of him? It's scary, the thought of actually meeting the one you have admired so much for so long from afar. It takes a brave person.

That's why with something like this, it has to have God behind it. If He is, God then would have been right there at the onset when MJ first became aware of her, and she first became aware of MJ. And from that point on, God would have been wroughting his plan together, slowly, thoughtfully, intentionally, wisely, patiently...everything involving these two lives, even though they were continuing to live their lives out separately. God knows them both so very well...through and through.

We don't understand always what God is doing though, do we?

Could there never have been a real life girl that MJ's lyrics were seeming to speak about? I suppose it's possible. A creative person in ART can make you believe anything is real, for the moment you are experiencing their art...or the duration of a great song, like one of MJ's. :)

But this thread, and much of AllForMJ's wonderful posts, has taken the approach that his lyrics are communicating that there has been a real life girl out there that MJ knew of and he believed God was going to give to him...one day.

:doh: Oh God, there I go again... Do not kill me, please! I'm afraid to be banned this topic at any time. :bugeyed But I'm very brave... lol! :wild: (Just kidding!) :D

As you said at the end: "He believed God was going to give to him ... one day." But God never gave it to Michael and it did not happen is because there really was not the right person to stand next to Michael to face life with him. There was a true love of both for each other or really loved the other not. So, I say it never existed and that really is very difficult to understand and decipher the songs of Michael that we will never know to whom (or anyone) were designed those verses in his songs. Only the author knows his work and we know that Michael works a lot with subliminal messages that I believe are for people interpret particular its way all his work that each person has a different view and opinion.

But the truth and reality of all the work of Michael will always be hidden, even if that is something that was and is real love involved, feelings and private life in his work should remain private because Michael always fought for both privacy lifetime. So, why break something so private? :scratch:
I feel very bad about it... But Michael may have loved (or not - probably loved or in love with the wrong woman - well, love and passion are completely different. In the case of Michael prefer to stay with the "love" for I know that he has gone through so many things in life, he would want something real, true and sincere and not merely a passion or a love affair - it does not go with Michael Jackson :no:), but he really did not have this woman beside him. If it existed so many things have been very different and we all perceive these changes.

I have not seen it happen at any time or I'm having vision problems, or I missed some event in which went unnoticed. lol! If God sees that something is not good, it just shifts our way, but sometimes we have to go through bad times and sad for what is needed and God put it all on our way to gain strength. And I think that also works well in love. And Michael is very disappointed with the people in your life and this created a blockage and perhaps a trauma for so many people have disappointed. :( Maybe God saw that it was not the right time to produce that meet the right woman and ideal for Michael or maybe she did not yet exist to be placed in the path of Michael. For God everything is the right time to happen in our lives and when He sees that the time is right, He goes into action in our lives. :)

(Let's say he felt he has to use Propofol during tours because he felt he couldn't handle the stress other wise or couldn't sleep...and felt if he didn't use that stuff he'd be unable to tour and would have to cancel, etc. and that would have been "the end of the world" in his mind...but it didn't "have to be that bad" in her opinion. And maybe he was feeling insecure and scared and felt he has to tour, etc. to be loved and she was trying to tell him that HE as a PERSON makes her happy...and she doesn't care about the fame stuff so much. Like she was trying to tell him "it's YOU that makes me happy"...not all the money, fame, etc. )
:bugeyed :ph34r:
I have absolute certainty that this would not be the chosen path. -_-

You know, one important thing to keep in mind is that God often works through our imagination. If you notice, in the Bible, before God blesses Abraham with his promised child, he made him go out and look at the stars in the sky and imagine each one as one of his descendants. I think God likes to first plant a dream in our mind (or imagination) first to sort of help us focus.
Well remembered this passage from the Bible. That is so true... :yes:

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 08:18 PM

Nice breakdown Linda!:)

summer

12-10-2009, 08:19 PM

No can you imagine the moment..

Must be like this..: from Fall Again

" Something about you, starin' in your eyes
And everything I’m looking for I seem to find"

Must be terrifying.. and I think he knew it right there..

and that makes me wonder about the other part of Don't walk away..

these lyrics in particular..

"How can I begin again
How am I to understand
When there’s nothing left to do but walk away"

If you go, I won’t forget you girl
Can’t you see that you will always be
Even though I had to let you go
There’ nothing left to do
Don’t walk away

can someone, explain why he had to let her go??

That song is a mystery to me. it seems so back and forth.. maybe it has something to do with what Lily talked about in a post, about dreaming up your perfect girl, and then maybe, when she was finally there in front of him it was too big.. or he had promised himself to someone else, here I come to think of an older song.. here goes, lyrics from Can't let her get away: (those are - in my interpretation about a former love..)

"I Try So Hard To Love You
Some Things Take
Time And Shame
I Think The Whole World
Of You
Your Thoughts Of Me Remain
I'll Play The Fool For You
I'll Change The Rules For You
Just Say It And I'll Do
Just Make This Thing Come True"

"I Tried To Mastermind It"

If he had already felt this passionate about a girl, that was not miss right, would that conflict with getting together with his soul made, what I mean is, did he already promise someone else "the kingdom".... by masterminding it...

Okay, I have no idea what I have gotten myself into.. can someone help??

I've always thought "Don't Walk Away" was about Lisa Marie. They obviously were very much in love but also had lots of problems and I guess neither of them really knew how to work things out. Even though they both loved each other a lot. And I guess, and like I said in one post before...sometimes you just have to be realistic, no matter how much you love the other person and just have to let them go, because you know things won't work out. Even though you are in love. You know, it could be that he desperately loved Lisa...but also wanted kids very badly...but Lisa didn't...so he knew that's the one thing he can't compromise with. And maybe theer was something like that for Lisa too. Something that she could not accept or live with, even though she really really loved him. I'm just speculating, but that's how I'd interpret it.

What comes to Can't Let Her Get Away...and the part "I tried to mastermind it...by saying let you be". I think he's saying that he tried to do whatever he can to get over her. You know, do whatever he can to not let himself be effected with her and not being able to get her or things not working out with her". You know sort of like when one breaks up with someone or even just has a crush on someone and that person doesn't love one back...and then you tell yourself "Pft...just forget him!! See if I care!!" And it's usually hard to do, and you're in fact just lying to yourself because you DO care and then the "hurt comes back" when you realize that yourself. Anyways, I think that song maybe is about him sort of "underestimating" the girl and misunderstanding her motives (thinking she wants his money/fame/etc. when she genuinly loved him)...and then she maybe got offended or got the feeling he is not really interested (because he maybe was very careful and keping his distance because he was mistrusting about her motives), so she left. But then he realized that he really does have feelings for her and he completely got her and her intentions wrong and realized she DID love him for the RIGHT reasons...but it was a bit too late for him now because she was gone. So he was probably feeling confused and at first wondered if she left because of something he said or did. And then he seems to be thinking about ways to get her back and that he's willing to do pretty much anything, if she just gives him another chance (I'll change the rules for you). But only my take on it. How I understood the song. :cheers: :lol:

Lisha

12-10-2009, 08:24 PM

:popcorn:

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 08:25 PM

I've always thought "Don't Walk Away" was about Lisa Marie. They obviously were very much in love but also had lots of problems and I guess neither of them really knew how to work things out. Even though they both loved each other a lot. And I guess, and like I said in one post before...sometimes you just have to be realistic, no matter how much you love the other person and just have to let them go, because you know things won't work out. Even though you are in love. You know, it could be that he desperately loved Lisa...but also wanted kids very badly...but Lisa didn't...so he knew that's the one thing he can't compromise with. And maybe theer was something like that for Lisa too. Something that she could not accept or live with, even though she really really loved him. I'm just speculating, but that's how I'd interpret it.

What comes to Can't Let Her Get Away...and the part "I tried to mastermind it...by saying let you be". I think he's saying that he tried to do whatever he can to get over her. You know, do whatever he can to not let himself be effected with her and not being able to get her or things not working out with her". You know sort of like when one breaks up with someone or even just has a crush on someone and that person doesn't love one back...and then you tell yourself "Pft...just forget him!! See if I care!!" And it's usually hard to do, and you're in fact just lying to yourself because you DO care and then the "hurt comes back" when you realize that yourself. Anyways, I think that song maybe is about him sort of "underestimating" the girl and misunderstanding her motives (thinking she wants his money/fame/etc. when she genuinly loved him)...and then she maybe got offended or got the feeling he is not really interested (because he maybe was very careful and keping his distance because he was mistrusting about her motives), so she left. But then he realized that he really does have feelings for her and he completely got her and her intentions wrong and realized she DID love him for the RIGHT reasons...but it was a bit too late for him now because she was gone. So he was probably feeling confused and at first wondered if she left because of something he said or did. And then he seems to be thinking about ways to get her back and that he's willing to do pretty much anything, if she just gives him another chance (I'll change the rules for you). But only my take on it. How I understood the song. :cheers: :lol:

Don't walk away, is in my opinion about the love in the dark girl, and not Lisa.. I don't think he ever wrote one single song about Lisa.. but who knows lol:2cents:

SoS

12-10-2009, 08:28 PM

Exactly! They forget to enjoy the beauty of THIS moment!!!

THIS IS IT (would it be the lyrics?)

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes [?]
But you say you gonna live it for yourself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say,
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before.
And you said to me you don’t wnat me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thught that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

Thanks for being the first to break through trying to catch these lyrics.

I hear some slight differences and I'm sure others will add to it also. Thanks again. You did an amazing job.

This sounds like a sweet 'goodbye' to an old love to me.I didn't hear that 'YOUR world bit in the song, by the way. Can you pinpoint which part of the song its in?

Lisha

12-10-2009, 08:32 PM

:popcorn:

Lily

12-10-2009, 08:32 PM

My daily Random Thought LOL:
Just because something can not be seen with the naked eye, does not mean it doesn't exist. Some things in life are only meant to be seen by those in which they are intended for. :)

mysterygirl7

12-10-2009, 08:34 PM

thanks queen for saying that I know my lyrics.. I have done an in-depth study of Invincible..

MysteriousPhoenix

12-10-2009, 08:40 PM

:doh: please! I'm afraid to be banned this topic at any time.

BANNED! (Just Kidding!) :D

I have not seen it happen at any time or I'm having vision problems, or I missed some event in which went unnoticed. lol!

Actually, ash, she walked right past you one day, but it was so fast that you missed it!:D

Don't walk away, is in my opinion about the love in the dark girl, and not Lisa.. I don't think he ever wrote one single song about Lisa.. but who knows lol:2cents:

Yes. I think DWA is basically him saying to his LITD to please not give up on their relationship even though he keeps on "missing" or "losing" her because of commitments to other relationships or what not and he hopes that she doesn't walk completely away from their relationship for good because of it.

Lisha

12-10-2009, 08:45 PM

:popcorn:

Ashtanga

12-10-2009, 08:48 PM

Ash, I really enjoyed your points! :) Thanks! That is exactly what the song seems to be saying. I also feel this is a goodbye song, from one love to another. Not sad, just sweet "good-bye lover" type of song.

"I really enjoyed your points!" >>>> :wild::wild::wild: Thanks!!!

All the work of Michel Jackson is full of subliminal messages. :wild: I like it because he has always been a very mysterious man. :yes: What I can say is that to me sounds like a love ballad. :yes: :wub: "Good bye song"... I do not know... But I do not dare take my chances and never try to interpret any songs from Michael. This is very challenging and it is not easy but very complicated. lol! :wild: Only the author knows his work... :yes: :D

No, girl...you stick to what you believe! I admire that in a person. And you very well could be absolutely right.
:wild: Thanks for reassuring me with his sweet words. :D I can be absolutely certain? I do not know... I just have the "my opinion" according to what I see and feel connected to the world of Michael. :)

BANNED! (Just Kidding!)
:bugeyed :( I'm shocked!

I'm sure if someone here would kick my butt, that person would be you. lol! Just kidding! :wild: :D

Actually, ash, she walked right past you one day, but it was so fast that you missed it!:D
Really? Hmmmm

I need to be much more attentive to the events around me. :smilerolleyes::D:cheeky:

summer

12-10-2009, 08:50 PM

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand

Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a
thousand times

And you said you really know me suit yourself

And I know that you are gonna pick the wind to
ride

But you say you gonna leave it for Gazelle

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan

I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I've been saved,

I’m the light of the world, gonna make

People feel,

This is real,

Every time I’m in love they don't feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since a
thousand years

A** tell me that you’ve seen my face before.

And you've said, showed me you don’t want me,
hanging round

Many times, wanna do it even more

ohhhh yeh

I never heard a single word about you
Fallin in love wasn’t my plan

I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it,

I've been healed

I’m the light of the world, this is real

Then my soul, we can save

And I'll tell you we never planned

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a
thousand years

And you said you was all up in yourself

And you said you wanted to go with me, all the
while

And I know that it’s really thrown Gazelle

ohhh yeh,

I never heard a single word about you

Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please dear, understand

ooooo ayyyyyy

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan

I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand

I never heard a single word about you

Fallin in love ...

Okay, those make a bit more sense...but I don't get the Gazelle part? :scratch: :lol:

My daily Random Thought LOL:
Just because something can not be seen with the naked eye, does not mean it doesn't exist. Some things in life are only meant to be seen by those in which they are intended for. :)

Good point. :yes: