Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[8701girl]

Sorry, honey!!! I ate the "s"!


U ate the s??? :blink:

[tha]

U ate the s??? :blink:

The letter "s" before the "h".... :scratch:

"ate" past of "eat" :mello:

[8701girl]

The letter "s" before the "h".... :scratch:

"ate" past of "eat" :mello:


Now im really confused..:blink:

[Sdeidjs]

I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole thing was just one big misunderstanding.

Just as Justus said, that MJ never knew that "she"" was his true soulmate, perhaps "she" never knew that he was hers. Like MJ sings in "This Is It," "... I never heard a single word about you, falling in love was not my plan, I never thought that I would be your lover, please just understand ..."

Maybe she felt that way too. I mean, to himself and his family, MJ may have been just a regular guy, but to her, maybe he
seemed untouchable, unreachable, you know,
out of her league. "She" probably
never dreamed that she would be his lover for sure!

And, look at their situation. Who was there in either of their lives who would've been able to help them sort our their feelings? Would anyone in MJ's family or camp have said to him, "Hey, those visions you've been having are actually glimpses of your soulmate that God has been giving you. You ought to pray that He will help you find her."?

Also, on her side, who would've said, "Hey, those intense feelings you have for Michael Jackson means that he is your soulmate and we're gonna help unite the two of you."?

Well, if one is living on Fantasy Island (where I'm currently living, heh, heh:)) then that may have happened, but in "real" life, most people are pretty skeptical and cynical. Of course, in their defense, it is a
pretty unique situation and perhaps they just wouldn't have been able to comprehend exactly what was going on or how to help.




Ha! Ha! Yeah, a female "Michael Jackson," as ashtanga says.:)

:punk:I wholeheartedly agree...
However, whether or not there was/is truly that chosen one...and...if she is a reflection of Mr.Jackson like it has been mentioned...

I am sure she cherished/cherishes her close relationship that she had with him. I would think knowing the great lengths that he took to protect his privacy she would "never" disrespect that intimate love between the two of them or his family.

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lainy]

Hello guys! :)
I just came to say that I'm following everything! I don't know what to talk today! :giggle: But ... "a beautiful picture is worth a thousand words" then ...

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7114/lindooooooooooooo.jpg :wub::wub:

Comment useless: it's the first time I feel envy of a lollipop! :smilerolleyes: :doh:

[8701girl]

Hey lully!

Yes i think its every mj girl fan's fantasy to be that lollipop :ph34r:

[Ashtanga]

Hey lully!

Yes i think its every mj girl fan's fantasy to be that lollipop :ph34r:
:wild: Wow! I have dangerous thoughts with Michael once in a while. :ph34r::D :smilerolleyes:

[8701girl]

:wild: Wow! I have dangerous thoughts with Michael once in a while. :ph34r::D :smilerolleyes:


So do i :ph34r:

[tha]

Comment useless: it's the first time I feel envy of a lollipop! :smilerolleyes: :duh:

Hey lully!

Yes i think its every mj girl fan's fantasy to be that lollipop :ph34r:

Oh....Holy Lollipop! :rolleyes2:


:wild: Wow! I have dangerous thoughts with Michael once in a while. :ph34r::D :smilerolleyes:

And who doesn't have dangerous thoughts with him? :rolleyes2:

[8701girl]

Oh....Holy Lollipop! :rolleyes2:


:lol:

Oh yes it sure is holy *bows down to the lollipop*

[MysteriousPhoenix]

MP thinks that is "she"! :smilerolleyes:


Yeah, I mean, what guy is gonna be walking around with a name like "MysteriousPhoenix"? After I chose that name I began to dislike it 'cause I'm actually a pretty shy and reserved person (I know you can't tell it now:)) and I thought, what on earth am I doin' with a name like that? It doesn't suit my personality at all. So I decided to change it one day to something a lot more low key, and I think I must have been fated to keep it 'cause wouldn't you know, on that day, they laid down the law at MJJC (or MJJF at the time) and they said, "NOBODY CHANGES THEIR USER NAME!!!" So, I was stuck with it! And the rest, as they say, is history! (Or maybe I should say, "HERstory" Heh, heh!:D)

[8701girl]

Yeah, I mean, what guy is gonna be walking around with a name like "MysteriousPhoenix"? After I chose that name I began to dislike it 'cause I'm actually a pretty shy and reserved person (I know you can't tell it now:)) and I thought, what on earth am I doin' with a name like that? It doesn't suit my personality at all. So I decided to change it one day to something a lot more low key, and I think I must have been fated to keep it 'cause wouldn't you know, on that day, they laid down the law at MJJC (or MJJF at the time) and they said, "NOBODY CHANGES THEIR USER NAME!!!" So, I was stuck with it! And the rest, as they say, is history! (Or maybe I should say, "HERstory" Heh, heh!:D)


I like your username its cool :D

[Lainy]

8701girl, Tha, Ash...

I confess: NEVER the idea of being a lollipop, pleased me so much... :rolleyes2::wild::ph34r:

[8701girl]

8701girl, Tha, Ash...

I confess: NEVER the idea of being a lollipop, pleased me so much... :rolleyes2::wild::ph34r:

:lol: I ditto that!

ok guys i g2g

take care bye! :waving:

[Ashtanga]

Yeah, I mean, what guy is gonna be walking around with a name like "MysteriousPhoenix"? After I chose that name I began to dislike it 'cause I'm actually a pretty shy and reserved person (I know you can't tell it now:)) and I thought, what on earth am I doin' with a name like that? It doesn't suit my personality at all. So I decided to change it one day to something a lot more low key, and I think I must have been fated to keep it 'cause wouldn't you know, on that day, they laid down the law at MJJC (or MJJF at the time) and they said, "NOBODY CHANGES THEIR USER NAME!!!" So, I was stuck with it! And the rest, as they say, is history! (Or maybe I should say, "HERstory" Heh, heh!:D)
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :wild::wild::wild:

I love this username "MysteriousPhoenix". It's perfect for you! lol! And you will not change it! That's an order! lol! :evil:

:D

:smilerolleyes:

[tha]

Yeah, I mean, what guy is gonna be walking around with a name like "MysteriousPhoenix"? After I chose that name I began to dislike it 'cause I'm actually a pretty shy and reserved person (I know you can't tell it now:)) and I thought, what on earth am I doin' with a name like that? It doesn't suit my personality at all. So I decided to change it one day to something a lot more low key, and I think I must have been fated to keep it 'cause wouldn't you know, on that day, they laid down the law at MJJC (or MJJF at the time) and they said, "NOBODY CHANGES THEIR USER NAME!!!" So, I was stuck with it! And the rest, as they say, is history! (Or maybe I should say, "HERstory" Heh, heh!:D)

I get it! ;)
But I love your nickname! It is interesting and mysterious! :rolleyes2:


Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :wild::wild::wild:

I love this username "MysteriousPhoenix". It's perfect for you! lol! And you will not change it! That's an order! lol! :evil:

:D

:smilerolleyes:

Yes! Is perfect for her! :)

[Lainy]

I like your username MP, "Mysterious" always interesting, much more when it comes to "Phoenix"! :smilerolleyes:
I like mystery. :D :smilerolleyes:

[tha]

I like your username MP, "Mysterious" always interesting, much more when it comes to "Phoenix"! :smilerolleyes:
I like mystery. :D :smilerolleyes:

Me too! :)


I would like to change my nickname! "tha" is very boring, but I have no ideas for other nickname! :lol:

[Sdeidjs]

Hey lully!


Yes i think its every mj girl fan's fantasy to be that lollipop :ph34r:

Way to cute...Giggles~~~

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ape]

Tha, do you want my nicname in here? You are welcome to it..lol

Go ahead and ask ME what I was thinking when I named myself.. sheesh. Mysterious Phoenix I might rather have yours. :-)

[SoS]

:wild: EDIT: I have just seen how long it turned out to be and I have no time to edit now please forgive me everyone :praying:angel:

MP, its amazing that your post reflected so much of what went through my mind today as I was out and about. Maybe I'll get a chance to come back and expound that conversation. For now, I will stop and address this post and I believe its all I'll have time for tonight. I love your username too btw!


That probably could be what he is saying and is communicating there, SoS.

I had thought I had heard "And I tell ya that you’ve seen my face before," but you know, for we have discussed this before in PMs, that I am not that good at hearing MJ's lyrics or catching their meaning. I haven't been listening to his music that long or closely listening to the lyrics in order to figure anything out. I've also never been one, as we have talked about before too, to view or be able to see or support that his lyrics might be speaking to me or about me, although I know fans seem to do that a lot, and that's cool, I guess...probably MJ was fine with that because he wanted others to relate to the lyrics and his songs.I don't feel the difference in what we're hearing changes the principle there tho so I guess that's the main thing. :)

um :unsure: not sure why you're mentioning PMs like this but, could u knock it off?! :scratch:
:lol: Thanks!!!!! :flowers: (u know i love u, yes even in 'your violence' :cheeky: and of course I'm laughing my head off so you know what that calls for ... but only one, ok here goes now don't shoot me .. :giggle: (ah I needed that!)


He so wanted people to enjoy his music, I think. Oyeh, that's definitely what its all about, I agree completely.


I have heard a few accounts of fans where they have met, or had an encounter with MJ in their past, and because of their experience, they believe that they are the one he has loved all along. And when I hear their stories they convince me...I'm just like that, they truly do. Their stories are not that far-fetched, some quite beautiful, and when listening, I get caught up and feel for them and think it would be so nice for it to work out that way for them. And even though I am not good at seeing me in lyrics, in many of his songs, and specifically in this song, This Is It, I can see each of their stories within the words...I can make it work for them all. But I realize they can't all be the girl MJ is talking to. MJ is all of his fans' "Mr. Right" :yes: (at least I never met a fan who didn't feel that way, I guess its a "language" we all speak! lol) and so hence, his fans are his "wife". He's been married to his fans a long, long, loooooooong time. :wub: :wub:



But Justus, I remember, had said in that post (that sadly disappeared), that

"[MJ] knows how to get a message across to a specific person and he knows how to get a message out to the masses."
I remember that post being among the many I had to scan quickly due to time and don't remember that point but it reminds me of what Moddie777 and those had been saying about the notes MJ gave to fans, I guess knowing they would make their way around the fan community - the "double message" idea. At first, I was thinking, 'no his fans are "the one" he's talking to, and I also had that thought when I first heard This Is It, figuring, "it seems as though I've seen your face a thousand times" could have been meant literally to acknowledge his fans, until listening more carefully and more times, so yes, MJ is really good at making his songs sound as if they could have a double meaning.


So I guess she, that specific person, is one who is very good at hearing the lyrics clearly and knowing just what he is saying. And she probably has that kind of confidence to help her do it too. I can't relate...but it must be very nice. I feel sometimes MJ makes some sounds undetectable to the objective listener where the person he's talking or referring to can perhaps understand what others cannot, so at a certain point I figure what I don't make out, maybe I'm not supposed to make out.


That kind of love must be really nice. :wub: It seems to help make things easier. Makes one strong and determined and successful. Who wants struggle or perserverence? Although, Shabuya has reminded us in her(?) post

Nothing good ever comes easy.
I'm reminded here of much earlier in the thread when MP and those were talking about 'struggle' resulting in a beautiful butterfly and sometimes struggle is as much a result of love, as those other results can also be. I'm also however, reminded of a bible verse in Proverbs that says, and I paraphrase, "two are better than one for if the one falls down who will be there to pick the other one up?" I pointed this scripture out because it seems that whenever MJ "fell down" there was not that one to lift him up. I know it also seems in a way a sort of travesty for two people to somehow know they care about eachother, need to be there for eachother, want to be there for eachother, and just, either can't for whatever reasons, or don't have an inkling as to how, as MP hit on.

I don't know if This Is It was a prelude to addressing that matter between MJ and "her", but it would seem it would be important to he and "she" at some point, to be there for one another, and MP brought up an interesting (and funny lol) point about who would help them. Especially "her" I'd think. There are a lot of people I know who would not have the first clue how to contact a celebrity in a meaningful way, nor be inclined to add to a plethora of probably a hundred to a thousand letters a day. Where I come from, (meaning immediate environment etc.) seeking out celebrities is a completely foreign concept and would strike anyone who knows me as very strange, random and rather absurd, as its understood that celebs are simply humans who do jobs just like everyone else and when we see them on TV or whatever, we're just watching them work and we know after that, they go home, to their REAL and very PRIVATE lives.

Perhaps its the same with "her". Or maybe she didn't want to take a chance on touching a hand outside a car window only to have it wisk off - or whatever have u. Maybe "she" figured that if it was "real", then he'd somehow show up in her face and say, 'hi, I'm ..." - y'know what I mean', or that maybe God would make it happen or something and if he ever did that and she still shoooood him off well, she's got issues MJ would be better off without! LOL but I can't imagine that for a second.

I know many fans who love MJ and wanted to be there for him through all of his trials but couldn't, so maybe "she" was in the same predicament there too, not meaning she "loves" him any less from afar as she would person-to-person.

Sometimes Love's expression has to go beyond the ordinary. Sometimes it takes leaving the Love with the Source and letting the Love be guided by the Source. I guess I'm saying that when things are out of one's hands, it sometimes takes "surrender".

I certainly feel that so much of what we've seen MJ go through, was, it seems to me, among other things, completely unnecessary and perhaps "she" went through a bunch of unnecessary changes in her life too, changes that MJ might would look at and make that face he made at Oprah when she asked him whether he was a vir**n lol. Maybe he wished he could have changed everything for "her" in certain ways and had no clue how, afterall, it can't be that much easier, just because he's a celebrity, to just ring someone's door bell, not having a real clue what to expect and without feeling a great sense of "risk", but again, that doesn't mean it wasn't true love there for her or her for him.

I'm reminded now (sorry this is getting so long again *sigh* just thought of an example) of a little kid I saw one day on the city train, no more than about three (my next favorite age for kiddies) and was standing in the seat in front of me, facing me, just having a good time talking to me in "baby speak" about random things like pointing at everything he saw on me and doing the baby drill, pointing at me and asking questions like, "your nose?" I'd say, yes this is my nose! He'd go, (pointing) "your hat?", I'd say, "yes this is my hat!" - y'know, that sort of thing - and after each thing he identified I'd say to him, "you're so smart!!" with a big validating smile so he'd know that "smart" was a wonderful thing and would soon enough in his life, hopefully remember to associate it with himself (at least subconsciously) once he learned it by vocabulary, then the train was about to stop and the kid's mother randomly whacks the kid on the rear end (several times!) and shouts, "turn around! sit your butt down!!!" and she roughly grabbed his hand and grunted, "let's go!!!!" as she yanked him up and took him off with one hand, with her bags of groceries in the other.

I wanted to get off the train with them (with a little sweetness and humor try and teach a little thing or two) because what that little boy was going through was COMPLETELY unnecessary and I felt I needed to do something to help the situation. Plus he was my new friend and I was his, although I was a complete stranger.

None-the-less, I could not be there for that little boy that day and that broke my heart in that moment. My love for him was not in any way diminished by the mere fact that I couldn't be there for him and I did hope and pray that he had been imprinted in that moment with enough of a positive experience that he would keep himself in a proper context no matter what his mother ever did, but I know that's a LOT to hope for. Nonetheless - my point is,

Love in itself - is what it is... then there's the ideal expression of it, the ability, as Ashtanga (I think) was pointing out, to share it. An inability to share it, to spread it, to make a person experience it moment to moment, does not diminish its value. That's all I was trying to point out.

It isn't that love is nothing if it can't be shared, it just means that sometimes it has to be completely dependent upon the Source of Love to be communicated, and shared, because God, Who is Love can make that communication happen if nothing else is destined to happen.

I guess this is a long way of saying that it seems that type of communication is what this thread's story has been basically all about and it seems MJ is saying as much....that he got the 'message' that is. That's why I said, that's really the only important thing at the end of the day, he knew someone had a special love for him that may not have a definition anywhere except on planet Theta :yes: :giggle: and if that's where "they" are from, then he understood its "language" loud and clear which may also be why he felt that "everything he was looking for he seemed to find". :yes: :) :wub:

OK, enough "romance" for one night!!!!!!!! :wild:

:lol: and to think I was one of the main nay sayers of the direction of this ADDICTIVE thread the first time it got started!!

Well done AllforMJ! :) Well done. :flowers:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Wow! Excellent post SoS!!!





Perhaps its the same with "her". Or maybe she didn't want to take a chance on touching a hand outside a car window only to have it wisk off - or whatever have u. Maybe "she" figured that if it was "real", then he'd somehow show up in her face and say, 'hi, I'm ..." - y'know what I mean', or that maybe God would make it happen or something and if he ever did that and she still shoooood him off well, she's got issues MJ would be better off without! LOL but I can't imagine that for a second.


That's an excellent point! That kind of rejection would have been devastating! Could you just imagine something like that? Wow! But of course, if he "recognized" her I think it would've been a different story, but why take the chance. Like you said, if it's "real," let God make it happen.





I know many fans who love MJ and wanted to be there for him through all of his trials but couldn't, so maybe "she" was in the same predicament there too, not meaning she "loves" him any less from afar as she would person-to-person.


Another excellent point!

[Teresa78]

Maybe Michael put a candle in his window for her to find her way home. Or is it he is the candle in the window burning brightly, blindingly? Hmmm

[summer]

....Once upon a time there was a boy who dreamed of someone very special, his soul mate who, though she felt very real, he wondered if she was only in his imagination. In all his years growing up, he never heard a single word about her. Sometimes he thought he'd met her, only to be disappointed later on when he realized it couldn't be his ideal woman from the dreams.....



Great story Ape (had to edit because quoting the whole thing would have made my post too long). And it would be wonderful, with such a happy ending. Except for one thing..."And then he died". :(


I just had another thought. What if "she" is his "match" (meaning in some ways they are exactly alike) or "soul mate" meaning in the context that maybe they have some same soul sourcing, some same "place" they both are coming from (and that could be literally be "from" as in 'planet' too who knows lol right?) and what if the whole problem has been that it just so happens that "she" thinks exactly the way he does lol, -

I'm referring to what he told Schmutly about not approaching women, I mean, I guess it could make sense that if she's truly his soul mate they may have the same type of thought pattens and values and such, and maybe she's the type person who just "would never" approach a man, any man, at all - of course I mean in general, not cast in stone
- I mean, what if "she" really doesn't even know HOW? (I know Ash is enjoying a whole lot of popcorn right about now LOL!!)

The thing that brought that to mind was I'm listening to the song now and at the very end it sounds like he says, "come on here please understand"

Well, all I can say is, if that is what he's saying and if its for that reason, I can see what is meant by him "explaining" different things throughout this song and I can suddenly see why possibly he chose this song, to release at this time. If the time it was written was during the era of SITD and updated to reflect the things he specifically wanted to say to "her" NOW and that's because well, this is it.


aw, I'll bet its just her 'way'.



Michael DID ask Lisa Marie to marry him...and HE asked Joanna for her phone number...so I do think he did "make a move" if he was interested and it wasn't THAT hopeless. :yes: Besides there are a lot of girls who do ask guys out (not me though! :lol:), so I do think there was hope for him. :yes: I don't think it was the "getting in contact" part that would have been a problem for him...I think it was more the "who to trust?"...you know, the "gold digger syndrome" that was the problem.

I am actually more and more convinced MJ had nothing to do with the TII song after the 90's. Why? Because if he was working on it and intending to release it during the tour...don't you think he woul have made sure everything is cleared with Paul Anka and he gets a green light from Anka to go ahead and release it, since Anka co-wrote it? The whole mess with Anka makes me think it really just is a song Branca, etc. happened to find in the vault after MJ died. Sorry if I'm being a "party pooper". :( :lol:





I have heard a few accounts of fans where they have met, or had an encounter with MJ in their past, and because of their experience, they believe that they are the one he has loved all along. And when I hear their stories they convince me...I'm just like that, they truly do. Their stories are not that far-fetched, some quite beautiful, and when listening, I get caught up and feel for them and think it would be so nice for it to work out that way for them. And even though I am not good at seeing me in lyrics, in many of his songs, and specifically in this song, This Is It, I can see each of their stories within the words...I can make it work for them all. But I realize they can't all be the girl MJ is talking to.


But Justus, I remember, had said in that post (that sadly disappeared), that

"[MJ] knows how to get a message across to a specific person and he knows how to get a message out to the masses."



About relating to lyrics etc....Like you said, I am sure there's a possibility a lot of girls identify themselves in some song and all that...but don't you think if one is SANE....one will know better? :scratch::lol: :lol: I mean, wasn't there just this one woman asking for 50 million dollars from the estate because she thought MJ was communicating to her through his music? :bugeyed:doh: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm just saying...:lol: :lol: So you know, I'm just wondering how anyone "sane" could think he is sending some messages to her through music or some fan messages....? Unless of course there was some "code word" or some *cough(insert girls name)cough* hidden somewhere in the song that only she could recognize? :lol: Other wise, I can't see how any sensible person could really take it seriously? I mean, I DO think that one CAN relate to some lyrics. I mean, OF COURSE, if they remind you of something! And I think ANYONE would be like "Gosh, this reminds me of that and that...when I was there and then this happened..." etc. Often that's why we love certain songs because they sort of "re-create a time and a place" through the music, the lyrics, or just even the mood of the song...or just because we heard the song somewhere while with someone, or while something happened, etc. I do think THAT is possible. But to go "He is singing about me! He's in love with ME!"...how could any sane person think it's about THEMSELVES...especially if they were not close to MJ...? :scratch:Just trying to understand that side....that's all. :scratch:


Could that be about LMP???

I think like maybe when mj was trying to get lmp to be his girl, i think she tried to like brush him off.

I don't know if TII is about Lisa Marie...but I really do think that she was THE love of his life. :scratch:And he was hers. I really do think that.



http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8222/89218819xx.jpg

:wub:

Aaaawwwww!! :wub: Gosh, I miss him SO MUCH!! :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:




I confess: NEVER the idea of being a lollipop, pleased me so much... :rolleyes2::wild::ph34r:

:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed
:doh:
:mello:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


...So I decided to change it one day to something a lot more low key...

I like your name actually! :yes: I think it's brilliant! Very original, and isn't a Phoenix sort of a symbol of strength? Because it rose from the ashes...or something? Nothing wrong with your name, I like it! :yes:


Tha, do you want my nicname in here? You are welcome to it..lol

Go ahead and ask ME what I was thinking when I named myself.. sheesh. Mysterious Phoenix I might rather have yours. :-)

:lol: :lol: Hi Miss Monkey! :P *imitates monkey sounds* "uh uh uh uh uh".....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You could always change your name to "AnJEL"....:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: (remember that? M....and J....because he spelt your name wrong! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:)





MJ is all of his fans' "Mr. Right" :yes: (at least I never met a fan who didn't feel that way, I guess its a "language" we all speak! lol) and so hence, his fans are his "wife". He's been married to his fans a long, long, loooooooong time. :wub: :wub:


I remember that post being among the many I had to scan quickly due to time and don't remember that point but it reminds me of what Moddie777 and those had been saying about the notes MJ gave to fans, I guess knowing they would make their way around the fan community - the "double message" idea. At first, I was thinking, 'no his fans are "the one" he's talking to, and I also had that thought when I first heard This Is It, figuring, "it seems as though I've seen your face a thousand times" could have been meant literally to acknowledge his fans, until listening more carefully and more times, so yes, MJ is really good at making his songs sound as if they could have a double meaning.

I feel sometimes MJ makes some sounds undetectable to the objective listener where the person he's talking or referring to can perhaps understand what others cannot, so at a certain point I figure what I don't make out, maybe I'm not supposed to make out.

I'm reminded here of much earlier in the thread when MP and those were talking about 'struggle' resulting in a beautiful butterfly and sometimes allowing one to struggle is as much an act of love, as preventing unnecessary struggle can also be. I'm also however, reminded of a bible verse in Proverbs that says, and I paraphrase, "two are better than one for if the one falls down who will be there to pick the other one up?" I pointed this scripture out because it seems that whenever MJ "fell down" there was not that one to lift him up. I know it also seems in a way a sort of travesty for two people to somehow know they care about eachother, need to be there for eachother, want to be there for eachother, and just, either can't for whatever reasons, or don't have an inkling as to how, as MP hit on.

I don't know if This Is It was a prelude to addressing that matter between MJ and "her", but it would seem it would be important to he and "she" at some point, to be there for one another, and MP brought up an interesting (and funny lol) point about who would help them. Especially "her" I'd think. There are a lot of people I know who would not have the first clue how to contact a celebrity in a meaningful way, nor be inclined to add to a plethora of probably a hundred to a thousand letters a day. Where I come from, (meaning immediate environment etc.) seeking out celebrities is a completely foreign concept and would strike anyone who knows me as very strange, random and rather absurd, as its understood that celebs are simply humans who do jobs just like everyone else and when we see them on TV or whatever, we're just watching them work and we know after that, they go home, to their REAL and very PRIVATE lives.

Perhaps its the same with "her". Or maybe she didn't want to take a chance on touching a hand outside a car window only to have it wisk off - or whatever have u. Maybe "she" figured that if it was "real", then he'd somehow show up in her face and say, 'hi, I'm ..." - y'know what I mean', or that maybe God would make it happen or something and if he ever did that and she still shoooood him off well, she's got issues MJ would be better off without! LOL but I can't imagine that for a second.

I know many fans who love MJ and wanted to be there for him through all of his trials but couldn't, so maybe "she" was in the same predicament there too, not meaning she "loves" him any less from afar as she would person-to-person.

Sometimes Love's expression has to go beyond the ordinary. Sometimes it takes leaving the Love with the Source and letting the Love be guided by the Source. I guess I'm saying that when things are out of one's hands, it sometimes takes "surrender".

I certainly feel that so much of what we've seen MJ go through, was, it seems to me, among other things, completely unnecessary and perhaps "she" went through a bunch of unnecessary changes in her life too, changes that MJ might would look at and make that face he made at Oprah when she asked him whether he was a vir**n lol. Maybe he wished he could have changed everything for "her" in certain ways and had no clue how, afterall, it can't be that much easier, just because he's a celebrity, to just ring someone's door bell, not having a real clue what to expect and without feeling a great sense of "risk", but again, that doesn't mean it wasn't true love there for her or her for him.

I'm reminded now (sorry this is getting so long again *sigh* just thought of an example) of a little kid I saw one day on the city train, no more than about three (my next favorite age for kiddies) and was standing in the seat in front of me, facing me, just having a good time talking to me in "baby speak" about random things like pointing at everything he saw on me and doing the baby drill, pointing at me and asking questions like, "your nose?" I'd say, yes this is my nose! He'd go, (pointing) "your hat?", I'd say, "yes this is my hat!" - y'know, that sort of thing - and after each thing he identified I'd say to him, "you're so smart!!" with a big validating smile so he'd know that "smart" was a wonderful thing and would soon enough in his life, hopefully remember to associate it with himself (at least subconsciously) once he learned it by vocabulary, then the train was about to stop and the kid's mother randomly whacks the kid on the rear end (several times!) and shouts, "turn around! sit your butt down!!!" and she roughly grabbed his hand and grunted, "let's go!!!!" as she yanked him up and took him off with one hand, with her bags of groceries in the other.

I wanted to get off the train with them (with a little sweetness and humor try and teach a little thing or two) because what that little boy was going through was COMPLETELY unnecessary and I felt I needed to do something to help the situation. Plus he was my new friend and I was his, although I was a complete stranger.

None-the-less, I could not be there for that little boy that day and that broke my heart in that moment. My love for him was not in any way diminished by the mere fact that I couldn't be there for him and I did hope and pray that he had been imprinted in that moment with enough of a positive experience that he would keep himself in a proper context no matter what his mother ever did, but I know that's a LOT to hope for. Nonetheless - my point is,

Love in itself - is what it is... then there's the ideal expression of it, the ability, as Ashtanga (I think) was pointing out, to share it. An inability to share it, to spread it, to make a person experience it moment to moment, does not diminish its value. That's all I was trying to point out.

It isn't that love is nothing if it can't be shared, it just means that sometimes it has to be completely dependent upon the Source of Love to be communicated, and shared, because God, Who is Love can make that communication happen if nothing else is destined to happen.

I guess this is a long way of saying that it seems that type of communication is what this thread's story has been basically all about and it seems MJ is saying as much....that he got the 'message' that is. That's why I said, that's really the only important thing at the end of the day, he knew someone had a special love for him that may not have a definition anywhere except on planet Theta :yes: :giggle: and if that's where "they" are from, then he understood its "language" loud and clear which may also be why he felt that "everything he was looking for he seemed to find". :yes: :)

Great post! And I hope I remember to comment on everything I was intending to...:lol:

I do think a lot of things can (and will) happen if you let God handle it. WHEN they are meant to be, I guess. I know I've thought "Stop worrying, let God handle it...if it's meant to be...it will happen"...and sometimes it did, and sometimes it didn't. So I really do believe in that.

About her being everything he was looking for and more...didn't he already mention in YRMW that he "finally found a love that's awesomely so right"? :scratch:And that was in 2001. :scratch:8 years ago. But then in LWMJ he said he had not found anyone...which was in 2003? :scratch: :lol: :lol: I can't figure it all out. :scratch::lol: :lol:

And aaawww at the story about the little boy. So sweet (but sad too with the mother being so rough with him :cry:). Actually it reminded me of what just happened at work....We have this one 6 year old boy who has been sick a lot and the doctors know that he will be sick a lot for teh rest of his life. And they had to tell that to the parents yesterday, and the boy was sitting on his bed while the doctors talked to the parents, and I was watching the boy during all that and it absolutely broke my heart how he changed while they talked. I am sure he understood what they were talking about and he heard his parents tell how difficult it is for them because he is always in the hospital and all that. He just looked SO SAD and had tears in his eyes and it looked like he was trying to disappear because he just kept becoming smaller and smaller in his body language...he just kept slouching more and more the longer they talked and I had to turn away because I was about to start crying when I saw that. I just wanted to hug him and go "It is NOT your fault that you are sick and don't ever forget that you are being loved!!". I just felt so bad for him because it was like you could read straight from his face what he was thinking. :cry: That's the part in my job I hate...when we can't really give good news. :( Like once we had this little girl who was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. Her mom had died all of the sudden just about a month earlier...and then the girl got sick, so they came to the hospital...and the doctors found out she had a brain tumor that was not curable and she didn't have much time left. :cry: We were all crying our eyes out in the staff room because we all felt so bad and none of us knew how to tell them that. It just felt so cruel! Especially so soon after the mother had died. :cry:

Anyways...just some thoughts, and sorry if this was such a long post. And sorry if I was being a "party pooper" too. :mello:

[summer]

Sorry I had to edit all of your posts in the above reply, but I wouldn't have been able to post it if I left the posts I was quoting as whole posts. I hope the post still makes sense! :lol:

[SoS]

Summer you're so funny! :lol: I love you, I really do, you have to know that


:better: I do mean it quite sincerely

um... :scratch: I'll have to skip around randomly in posting quotes myself right now so ... it may seem rather ... well..random..


LOL!! Well, too, some women don't approach men because its just not in their "programming" - its just not there - like why some people don't eat anchovies - so many people have never tried it.

LOL!! @ YRMW reference. Personally, I feel there is no way all MJ's songs are about the same person, if any are, that is of course.

Its interesting about YRMW. Even though that line says, "finally found a love that's awesomely so right", throughout the song he also keeps repeating "come on, girl" over and over (as in future), and he also says the words, "you rocked my world you know you did" (past) so who knows, maybe he was in a state of dreaming in the present time of performing the song. Maybe its one of those subtle nuances MP and I were speaking of.


I am actually more and more convinced MJ had nothing to do with the TII song after the 90's. Why? Because if he was working on it and intending to release it during the tour...don't you think he woul have made sure everything is cleared with Paul Anka and he gets a green light from Anka to go ahead and release it, since Anka co-wrote it? The whole mess with Anka makes me think it really just is a song Branca, etc. happened to find in the vault after MJ died. Sorry if I'm being a "party pooper". :sad: :lol: This I haven't read about yet, but I can imagine that since MJ is said to have written the song with Anka a thousand years ago, there is something going on that is probably either not right, or not accurately reported because it would seem that if Anka wanted to sue MJ for the song, it would seem to me that it would have been when it was recorded and marketed over 15 years ago by Safira. Why wait til now? It was an MJ penned song (along with Anka?) when Safira recorded it. I don't know the business like that, and won't presume to the point of assuming anything but on its face, that's not really making any sense.

I haven't heard anyone claiming "its them" yet, (except that one woman who's suing him but I don't think u mean her) and its downright impossible to know the complexities of any relationship with any two people, how 'close' they were or whatnot but now, - I wish you'd try and help me understand something because I am suddenly perplexed as well. If an artist like Seal can do a song about Heidi Clume (is that the right name of his wife?) or any other artist can sing about anyone else, why not MJ doing the same kind of thing his way for his own reasons?

I realize I may have thrown us on a Concord headed straight to Fantasy Island to visit MP, LOL!! and I realize this thread topic could be too strange for most to conceive (I for one, COMPLETELY understand that), but now, some of us *cough* have been posting in this thread long enough to *cough* have made some pretty startling contributions up to now and have seemed to enjoy *cough* the positive value dreaming has to offer but I guess we should issue a reminder every once in a while that the thread TOPIC is a QUESTION that is actually making reference to a SONG lol!! But I thought you knew that :unsure:


Michael DID ask Lisa Marie to marry him...and HE asked Joanna for her phone number...so I do think he does "make a move" if he's interested and it wasn't THAT hopeless Girl, read back several pages! LOL!! We're not talking about someone who was in his face for him to talk to like that or someone who was following him around. That's the whole point. :sigh: what's up with you today Girl? Pay attention! :lol:

I agree, MJ and LM seemed quite good together and it seems sad that they couldn't make it completely - from their pics it seems they had some really good times while those good times lasted. Its hard to let go of because it seems that when it was good it was very good and sadly the shadow side is just the equal opposite in intensity a lot of times - when its bad it gets very bad. That's a hard thing to come to terms with sometimes. It really is.

It is really sad about those babies in the hospital and really sad that you have to be exposed to it HOURS upon HOURS the numerous days that you work. Too sad. I really can't think about it very much and feel great. I can only imagine being there. Even a street sign that directs traffic to Children's Hospital is a bit much for me to bear sometimes. We have to pray more and more. Life is very painful and difficult sometimes, it really is.

Back to analyzing the music!! :lol:

MP, i enjoyed your previous post too. Especially this:


I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole thing was just one big misunderstanding.

Just as Justus said, that MJ never knew that "she"" was his true soulmate, perhaps "she" never knew that he was hers. Like MJ sings in "This Is It," "... I never heard a single word about you, falling in love was not my plan, I never thought that I would be your lover, please just understand ..."

Maybe she felt that way too. I mean, to himself and his family, MJ may have been just a regular guy, but to her, maybe he seemed untouchable, unreachable, you know, out of her league. "She" probably never dreamed that she would be his lover for sure! I can certainly imagine her having a fair share of doubts of her own perceptions, (and I just realized what's been missing from all our posts for some time so I'll add it now and that is, if there is a "her" LOL!! YEAH been a while since anyone's said that!) even if God Himself did make something very unique and spontaneous occur where they "recognized" eachother (from planet "Theta" lol) particularly when seeing him dating and seeming pretty enthused about certain ones and all, or just seeing them being such a credit to him career-wise (by virtue of celebrity names alone) and whatnot but that was his world just as I'm sure "she" had some "world" too, that she was living day to day. Perhaps it was like being "together" worlds apart.



And, look at their situation. Who was there in either of their lives who would've been able to help them sort our their feelings? Would anyone in MJ's family or camp have said to him, "Hey, those visions you've been having are actually glimpses of your soulmate that God has been giving you. You ought to pray that He will help you find her."? This one really made me laugh. I can imagine it was probably just the opposite. Whatever MJ did to "give his money" and "give his time", it would seem to me he might have had to "run by" a plethora of people, or at least managers and/or security (the time part) and if the fool I mean dear woman just "uppd and ran away" my heart is cringing over what in the world that could have made MJ feel like, not to mention putthing himself (and whatever "supporters") through that again as far as why he might have given up on the idea (eg., I Never Thought That I Would Be Your Lover, c'mon please dear understand)


Also, on her side, who would've said, "Hey, those intense feelings you have for Michael Jackson means that he is your soulmate and we're gonna help unite the two of you."?In some worlds I guess some families could think that way though, just not any that you and I know, apparently LOL!! I don't know about you all but in the world I come from Hollywood is clear on the other side of the known universe, plus there's a fairly keen sensitivity in my family to anything that could seem remotely like "idol worship" ("celebrities are just people" - "folks need to leave those people alone" - y' heard that sort of thing all the time) on top of the fact that they wouldn't support something they themselves can see no evidence of... like "soul mate". If "she" is from a similar type of world, "she" may have been rather perplexed herself at whatever it was, that undoubtedly had to have made it at least as meaningful and/or memorable to her as it seems to have been to him.



Well, if one is living on Fantasy Island (where I'm currently living, heh, heh:)) then that may have happened, but in "real" life, most people are pretty skeptical and cynical. Of course, in their defense, it is a pretty unique situation and perhaps they just wouldn't have been able to comprehend exactly what was going on or how to help.That's why I say that somehow MJ and "this girl" did experience eachother in some rather profoundly unique way - something out of the ordinary, otherwise it could not (from the cumulative glimpses provided through the music) have had such a profound sense of "reality" that expresses itself through song, seemingly spanning over a couple of decades, nor imho could have let this thread last this long! :lol: and with such poignant "meaning" to so many even if apparently not all. There's no telling what's going on with the multitude of anonymous "lurkers"! LOL!!.



Ha! Ha! Yeah, a female "Michael Jackson," as ashtanga says.:) :scratch: :lol: :sigh:

I'd like to think that if that's the case, it would be in the sense that she, like MJ, is her own person, unique unto herself and isn't too centered around what people in the world think, because as MJ so aptly put it, "people are crazy" and I don't especially want to see some (probably middle aged by now) woman trying to moonwalk wearing a white glittery glove :lol:.

[summer]

Summer you're so funny! :lol: I love you, I really do, you have to know that


:better: I do mean it quite sincerely

um... :scratch: I'll have to skip around randomly in posting quotes myself right now so ... it may seem rather ... well..random..


LOL!! Well, too, some women don't approach men because its just not in their "programming" - its just not there - like why some people don't eat anchovies - so many people have never tried it.

LOL!! @ YRMW reference. Personally, I feel there is no way all MJ's songs are about the same person, if any are, that is of course.

Its interesting about YRMW. Even though that line says, "finally found a love that's awesomely so right", throughout the song he also keeps repeating "come on, girl" over and over (as in future), and he also says the words, "you rocked my world you know you did" (past) so who knows, maybe he was in a state of dreaming in the present time of performing the song. Maybe its one of those subtle nuances MP and I were speaking of.

This I haven't read about yet, but I can imagine that since MJ is said to have written the song with Anka a thousand years ago, there is something going on that is probably either not right, or not accurately reported because it would seem that if Anka wanted to sue MJ for the song, it would seem to me that it would have been when it was recorded and marketed over 15 years ago by Safira. Why wait til now? It was an MJ penned song (along with Anka?) when Safira recorded it. I don't know the business like that, and won't presume to the point of assuming anything but on its face, that's not really making any sense.

I haven't heard anyone claiming "its them", and its downright impossible to know the complexities of any relationship with any two people, how 'close' they were or whatnot but now, - I wish you'd try and help me understand something because I am suddenly perplexed as well.

Now, I realize I may have thrown us on a Concord headed straight to Fantasy Island to visit MP, LOL!! and I realize this thread topic could be too strange for most to conceive (I for one, COMPLETELY understand that), but now, some of us *cough* have been posting in this thread long enough to *cough* have made some pretty startling contributions up to now and have seemed to enjoy *cough* the positive value dreaming has to offer but I guess we should issue a reminder every once in a while that the thread TOPIC is a QUESTION that is actually making reference to a SONG lol!! But I thought you knew that :unsure:

Girl, read back several pages! LOL!! We're not talking about someone who was in his face for him to talk to like that or someone who was following him around. That's the whole point. :sigh: what's up with you today Girl? Pay attention! :lol:

I agree, MJ and LM seemed quite good together and it seems sad that they couldn't make it completely - from their pics it seems they had some really good times while those good times lasted. Its hard to let go of because it seems that when it was good it was very good and sadly the shadow side is just the equal opposite in intensity a lot of times - when its bad it gets very bad. That's a hard thing to come to terms with sometimes. It really is.

It is really sad about those babies in the hospital and really sad that you have to be exposed to it HOURS upon HOURS the numerous days that you work. Too sad. I really can't think about it very much and feel great. I can only imagine being there. Even a street sign that directs traffic to Children's Hospital is a bit much for me to bear sometimes. We have to pray more and more. Life is very painful and difficult sometimes, it really is.

Back to analyzing the music!! :lol:

MP, i enjoyed your previous post too. Especially this:

I can certainly imagine her having a fair share of doubts of her own perceptions, (and I just realized what's been missing from all our posts for some time so I'll add it now and that is, if there is a "her" LOL!! YEAH been a while since anyone's said that!) even if God Himself did make something very unique and spontaneous occur where they "recognized" eachother (from planet "Theta" lol) particularly when seeing him dating and seeming pretty enthused about certain ones and all, or just seeing them being such a credit to him career-wise (by virtue of celebrity names alone) and whatnot but that was his world just as I'm sure "she" had some "world" too, that she was living day to day. Perhaps it was like being "together" worlds apart.


This one really made me laugh. I can imagine it was probably just the opposite. Whatever MJ did to "give his money" and "give his time", it would seem to me he might have had to "run by" a plethora of people, or at least managers and/or security (the time part) and if the fool I mean dear woman just "uppd and ran away" my heart is cringing over what in the world that could have made MJ feel like, not to mention putthing himself (and whatever "supporters") through that again as far as why he might have given up on the idea (eg., I Never Thought That I Would Be Your Lover, c'mon please dear understand)

In some worlds I guess some families could think that way though, just not any that you and I know, apparently LOL!! I don't know about you all but in the world I come from Hollywood is clear on the other side of the known universe, plus there's a fairly keen sensitivity in my family to anything that could seem remotely like "idol worship" ("celebrities are just people" - "folks need to leave those people alone" - y' heard that sort of thing all the time) on top of the fact that they wouldn't support something they themselves can see no evidence of... like "soul mate". If "she" is from a similar type of world, "she" may have been rather perplexed herself at whatever it was, that undoubtedly had to have made it at least as meaningful and/or memorable to her as it seems to have been to him.


That's why I say that somehow MJ and "this girl" did experience eachother in some rather profoundly unique way - something out of the ordinary, otherwise it could not (from the cumulative glimpses provided through the music) have had such a profound sense of "reality" that expresses itself through song, seemingly spanning over a couple of decades, nor imho could have let this thread last this long! :lol: and with such poignant "meaning" to so many even if apparently not all. There's no telling what's going on with the multitude of anonymous "lurkers"! LOL!!.


:scratch: :lol: :sigh:

I'd like to think that if that's the case, it would be in the sense that she, like MJ, is her own person, unique unto herself and isn't too centered around what people in the world think, because as MJ so aptly put it, "people are crazy" and I don't especially want to see some (probably middle aged by now) woman trying to moonwalk wearing a white glittery glove :lol:.

:lol: I love ya more! :P :lol: (Or should I say..."from the bottom of my heart". :lol:)

(I deleted part of my post because I was just ranting and I think it could get misunderstood...I think you misunderstood it already. :scratch:Sorry for the rant(s). I babble on too much..." blah blah blah blah blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"...like that violin rant. I should delete that one too actually...it's off topic. :scratch:)

I think you misunderstood what I meant with the "themselves" part. :scratch::lol: I know this thread is about a question and finding the answer in a SONG...and I didn't mean any of us here would think it's about any of us. :doh: :lol: What I meant was that wouldn't it be hard for any "sane, sensible" person (as in IF there was a she...and she was a somewhat sane person..who ever she was...where ever she was...if she even ever was...:lol:) to think some song had a "secret message" to them from MJ or think the song was about them (unless, like I said, they were friends or other wise close to MJ (don't mean fan meetings and encounters...but friends hanging out with him or talking on the phone with him or dating him))? Or maybe I have just completely misunderstood what some of you were trying to say about the songs? :scratch::lol: And like I said...IF there even is(/was) a "her" (...especially the "someone in the dark" way :scratch: :lol: ). I mean, for all we know...he could have been in a relationship with Grace for all these years without any of us knowing, until something happened and she was "fired" last year. :scratch::lol: They sure did seem close enough, don't you think? :scratch:

Oh and I didn't mean this thread would be about Lisa....I just meant I think she was the love of his life. Seems that way. (Unless there was a "someone in the dark"...or some other "secret woman" (Grace/Shana/Joanna/Tatiana/Kai/who knows) the world is yet to discover....:scratch::lol:.)


Anyways...I was gonna comment on the children at the hospital thing, but I think I have babbled on enough in this thread, so I won't. *zips her mouth* :lol:

[8701girl]

I don't know if TII is about Lisa Marie...but I really do think that she was THE love of his life. :scratch:And he was hers. I really do think that.


Even though i dont really like her, i do agree with what u said though. I think mike felt lisa marie understood him. It was almost as if she somewhat went through the same things she did even she wasnt ''the big star" like he was. And also think it was that being the fact that lmp went through pretty much her whole entire life without her father, i think mike felt the same way bout his relationship with joe- like he wasnt really there in a way ( hope u guys get what i mean)

[summer]

Even though i dont really like her, i do agree with what u said though. I think mike felt lisa marie understood him. It was almost as if she somewhat went through the same things she did even she wasnt ''the big star" like he was. And also think it was that being the fact that lmp went through pretty much her whole entire life without her father, i think mike felt the same way bout his relationship with joe- like he wasnt really there in a way ( hope u guys get what i mean)

And Lisa also had loads of her own money, so he knew she wans't a "gold digger". It seems that was one of his (if not THE) biggest fears that women were just after his money. Seems like he thought all women, except those who were rich and famous were just a bunch of gold diggers. :mello: :scratch: :unsure:

[tha]

Tha, do you want my nicname in here? You are welcome to it..lol

Go ahead and ask ME what I was thinking when I named myself.. sheesh. Mysterious Phoenix I might rather have yours. :-)

What were you thinking? :lol:

SOS: I love your posts!!! I never cease to read! ;)
:clapping: :yes:



And aaawww at the story about the little boy. So sweet (but sad too with the mother being so rough with him :cry:). Actually it reminded me of what just happened at work....We have this one 6 year old boy who has been sick a lot and the doctors know that he will be sick a lot for teh rest of his life. And they had to tell that to the parents yesterday, and the boy was sitting on his bed while the doctors talked to the parents, and I was watching the boy during all that and it absolutely broke my heart how he changed while they talked. I am sure he understood what they were talking about and he heard his parents tell how difficult it is for them because he is always in the hospital and all that. He just looked SO SAD and had tears in his eyes and it looked like he was trying to disappear because he just kept becoming smaller and smaller in his body language...he just kept slouching more and more the longer they talked and I had to turn away because I was about to start crying when I saw that. I just wanted to hug him and go "It is NOT your fault that you are sick and don't ever forget that you are being loved!!". I just felt so bad for him because it was like you could read straight from his face what he was thinking. :cry: That's the part in my job I hate...when we can't really give good news. :( Like once we had this little girl who was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. Her mom had died all of the sudden just about a month earlier...and then the girl got sick, so they came to the hospital...and the doctors found out she had a brain tumor that was not curable and she didn't have much time left. :cry: We were all crying our eyes out in the staff room because we all felt so bad and none of us knew how to tell them that. It just felt so cruel! Especially so soon after the mother had died. :cry:

Anyways...just some thoughts, and sorry if this was such a long post. And sorry if I was being a "party pooper" too. :mello:

Oh, honey....I need to confess that I cried readind this! :( I'll never serve to be a doctor or social worker, because my heart is too soft. I'll never can tell a notice so sad for someone so, I'll couldn't be strong, I'll couldn't give comfort to someone! :(
Now....I need to stop crying! :closedeyes: :angel:



And just a observation: I don't like Lisa, I never liked her! :zformation:

[Sdeidjs]

:wild: EDIT: I have just seen how long it turned out to be and I have no time to edit now please forgive me everyone :praying:angel:

MP, its amazing that your post reflected so much of what went through my mind today as I was out and about. Maybe I'll get a chance to come back and expound that conversation. For now, I will stop and address this post and I believe its all I'll have time for tonight. I love your username too btw!

I don't feel the difference in what we're hearing changes the principle there tho so I guess that's the main thing. :)

um :unsure: not sure why you're mentioning PMs like this but, could u knock it off?! :scratch:
:lol: Thanks!!!!! :flowers: (u know i love u, yes even in 'your violence' :cheeky: and of course I'm laughing my head off so you know what that calls for ... but only one, ok here goes now don't shoot me .. :giggle: (ah I needed that!)

Oyeh, that's definitely what its all about, I agree completely.

MJ is all of his fans' "Mr. Right" :yes: (at least I never met a fan who didn't feel that way, I guess its a "language" we all speak! lol) and so hence, his fans are his "wife". He's been married to his fans a long, long, loooooooong time. :wub: :wub:


I remember that post being among the many I had to scan quickly due to time and don't remember that point but it reminds me of what Moddie777 and those had been saying about the notes MJ gave to fans, I guess knowing they would make their way around the fan community - the "double message" idea. At first, I was thinking, 'no his fans are "the one" he's talking to, and I also had that thought when I first heard This Is It, figuring, "it seems as though I've seen your face a thousand times" could have been meant literally to acknowledge his fans, until listening more carefully and more times, so yes, MJ is really good at making his songs sound as if they could have a double meaning.

I feel sometimes MJ makes some sounds undetectable to the objective listener where the person he's talking or referring to can perhaps understand what others cannot, so at a certain point I figure what I don't make out, maybe I'm not supposed to make out.

I'm reminded here of much earlier in the thread when MP and those were talking about 'struggle' resulting in a beautiful butterfly and sometimes struggle is as much a result of love, as those other results can also be. I'm also however, reminded of a bible verse in Proverbs that says, and I paraphrase, "two are better than one for if the one falls down who will be there to pick the other one up?" I pointed this scripture out because it seems that whenever MJ "fell down" there was not that one to lift him up. I know it also seems in a way a sort of travesty for two people to somehow know they care about eachother, need to be there for eachother, want to be there for eachother, and just, either can't for whatever reasons, or don't have an inkling as to how, as MP hit on.

I don't know if This Is It was a prelude to addressing that matter between MJ and "her", but it would seem it would be important to he and "she" at some point, to be there for one another, and MP brought up an interesting (and funny lol) point about who would help them. Especially "her" I'd think. There are a lot of people I know who would not have the first clue how to contact a celebrity in a meaningful way, nor be inclined to add to a plethora of probably a hundred to a thousand letters a day. Where I come from, (meaning immediate environment etc.) seeking out celebrities is a completely foreign concept and would strike anyone who knows me as very strange, random and rather absurd, as its understood that celebs are simply humans who do jobs just like everyone else and when we see them on TV or whatever, we're just watching them work and we know after that,
they go home, to their REAL and very PRIVATE lives.
Perhaps its the same with "her". Or maybe she didn't want to take a chance on touching a hand outside a car window only to have it wisk off - or whatever have u. Maybe
"she" figured that if it was "real",
then he'd somehow show up in her face and say, 'hi, I'm ..." - y'know what I mean', or that maybe
God would make it happen or something and if he ever did that and she still shoooood him off well, she's got issues MJ would be better off without! LOL but I can't imagine that for a second.

I know many fans who love MJ and wanted to be there for him through all of his trials but couldn't, so maybe "she" was in the same predicament there too, not meaning
she "loves" him any less from afar as she would person-to-person.

Sometimes Love's expression has to go beyond the ordinary. Sometimes it takes leaving the Love with the Source and letting the Love be guided by the Source. I guess I'm saying that when things are out of one's hands, it sometimes takes "surrender".

I certainly feel that so much of what we've seen MJ go through, was, it seems to me, among other things, completely unnecessary and perhaps "she" went through a bunch of unnecessary changes in her life too, changes that MJ might would look at and make that face he made at Oprah when she asked him whether he was a vir**n lol. Maybe he wished he could have changed everything for "her" in certain ways and had no clue how, afterall, it can't be that much easier, just because he's a celebrity, to just ring someone's door bell, not having a real clue what to expect and without feeling a great sense of "risk", but again, that doesn't mean it wasn't true love there for her or her for him.

I'm reminded now (sorry this is getting so long again *sigh* just thought of an example) of a little kid I saw one day on the city train, no more than about three (my next favorite age for kiddies) and was standing in the seat in front of me, facing me, just having a good time talking to me in "baby speak" about random things like pointing at everything he saw on me and doing the baby drill, pointing at me and asking questions like, "your nose?" I'd say, yes this is my nose! He'd go, (pointing) "your hat?", I'd say, "yes this is my hat!" - y'know, that sort of thing - and after each thing he identified I'd say to him, "you're so smart!!" with a big validating smile so he'd know that "smart" was a wonderful thing and would soon enough in his life, hopefully remember to associate it with himself (at least subconsciously) once he learned it by vocabulary, then the train was about to stop and the kid's mother randomly whacks the kid on the rear end (several times!) and shouts, "turn around! sit your butt down!!!" and she roughly grabbed his hand and grunted, "let's go!!!!" as she yanked him up and took him off with one hand, with her bags of groceries in the other.

I wanted to get off the train with them (with a little sweetness and humor try and teach a little thing or two) because what that little boy was going through was COMPLETELY unnecessary and I felt I needed to do something to help the situation. Plus he was my new friend and I was his, although I was a complete stranger.

None-the-less, I could not be there for that little boy that day and that broke my heart in that moment. My love for him was not in any way diminished by the mere fact that I couldn't be there for him and I did hope and pray that he had been imprinted in that moment with enough of a positive experience that he would keep himself in a proper context no matter what his mother ever did, but I know that's a LOT to hope for. Nonetheless - my point is,

Love in itself - is what it is... then there's the ideal expression of it, the ability, as Ashtanga (I think) was pointing out, to share it. An inability to share it, to spread it, to make a person experience it moment to moment, does not diminish its value. That's all I was trying to point out.

It isn't that love is nothing if it can't be shared, it just means that sometimes it has to be completely dependent upon the Source of Love to be communicated, and shared, because God, Who is Love can make that communication happen if nothing else is destined to happen.

I guess this is a long way of saying that it seems that type of communication is what this thread's story has been basically all about and it
seems MJ is saying as much....that he got the 'message' that is. That's why I said,
that's really the only important thing at the end of the day,
he knew someone had a special love for him that may not have a definition anywhere except on planet Theta :yes: :giggle: and if that's where "they" are from, then he understood its "language" loud and clear which
may also be why he felt that "everything he was looking for he seemed to find". :yes: :) :wub:

OK, enough "romance" for one night!!!!!!!! :wild:

:lol: and to think I was one of the main nay sayers of the direction of this ADDICTIVE thread the first time it got started!!

Well done AllforMJ! :) Well done. :flowers:

:punk:

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Summer you're so funny! :lol: I love you, I really do, you have to know that


:better: I do mean it quite sincerely

um... :scratch: I'll have to skip around randomly in posting quotes myself right now so ... it may seem rather ... well..random..


LOL!! Well, too,
some women don't approach men because its just not in their "programming" - its just not there - like why some people don't eat anchovies - so many people have never tried it.

LOL!! @ YRMW reference. Personally, I feel
there is no way all MJ's songs are about the same person, if any are, that is of course.

Its interesting about YRMW. Even though that line says,
"finally found a love that's awesomely so right", throughout the song he also keeps repeating "come on, girl" over and over (as in future), and he also says the words,
"you rocked my world you know you did" (past) so who knows, maybe he was in a state of dreaming in the present time of performing the song. Maybe its one of those subtle nuances MP and I were speaking of.

This I haven't read about yet, but I can imagine that since MJ is said to have written the song with Anka a thousand years ago, there is something going on that is probably either not right, or
not accurately reported because it would seem that if Anka wanted to sue MJ for the song, it would seem to me that it would have been when it was recorded and marketed over 15 years ago by Safira. Why wait til now? It was an MJ penned song (along with Anka?) when Safira recorded it. I don't know the business like that, and
won't presume to the point of assuming anything but on its face, that's not really making any sense.

I haven't heard anyone claiming "its them" yet, (except that one woman who's suing him but I don't think u mean her) and its downright impossible to know the complexities of any relationship with any two people, how 'close' they were or whatnot but now, - I wish you'd try and help me understand something because I am suddenly perplexed as well. If an artist like Seal can do a song about Heidi Clume (is that the right name of his wife?) or any other artist can sing about anyone else, why not MJ doing the same kind of thing his way for his own reasons?

I realize I may have thrown us on a Concord headed straight to
Fantasy Island to visit MP, LOL!! and I realize this thread topic could be too strange for most to conceive (I for one, COMPLETELY understand that), but now, some of us *cough* have been posting in this thread long enough to *cough* have made some pretty startling contributions up to now and have seemed to enjoy *cough*
the positive value dreaming has to offer but I guess we should issue a reminder every once in a while that the thread TOPIC is a QUESTION that is actually making reference to a SONG lol!! But I thought you knew that :unsure:

Girl, read back several pages! LOL!! We're not talking about someone who was in his face for him to talk to like that or someone who was following him around. That's the whole point. :sigh: what's up with you today Girl? Pay attention! :lol:

I agree, MJ and LM seemed quite good together and it seems sad that they couldn't make it completely - from their pics it seems they had some really good times while those good times lasted. Its hard to let go of because it seems that when it was good it was very good and sadly the shadow side is just the equal opposite in intensity a lot of times - when its bad it gets very bad. That's a hard thing to come to terms with sometimes. It really is.

It is really sad about those babies in the hospital and really sad that you have to be exposed to it HOURS upon HOURS the numerous days that you work. Too sad. I really can't think about it very much and feel great. I can only imagine being there. Even a street sign that directs traffic to Children's Hospital is a bit much for me to bear sometimes. We have to pray more and more. Life is very painful and difficult sometimes, it really is.

Back to analyzing the music!! :lol:

MP, i enjoyed your previous post too. Especially this:

I can certainly imagine
her having a fair share of doubts of her own perceptions, (and I just realized what's been missing from all our posts for some time so I'll add it now and that is, if there is a "her" LOL!! YEAH been a while since anyone's said that!) even if
God Himself did make something very unique and spontaneous occur where they "recognized" eachother (from planet "Theta" lol) particularly when seeing him dating and seeming pretty enthused about certain ones and all, or just seeing them being such a credit to him career-wise (by virtue of celebrity names alone) and whatnot but that was his world just as I'm sure "she" had some "world" too, that she was living day to day. Perhaps
it was like being "together" worlds apart.

This one really made me laugh. I can imagine it was probably just the opposite. Whatever MJ did to "give his money" and "give his time", it would seem to me he might have had to "run by" a plethora of people, or at least managers and/or security (the time part) and if the fool I mean dear woman just "uppd and ran away" my heart is cringing over what in the world that could have made MJ feel like, not to mention putthing himself (and whatever "supporters") through that again as far as why he might have given up on the idea (eg., I Never Thought That I Would Be Your Lover, c'mon please dear understand)

In some worlds I guess some families could think that way though, just not any that you and I know, apparently LOL!! I don't know about you all but in the world I come from Hollywood is clear on the other side of the known universe, plus there's a fairly keen sensitivity in my family to anything that could seem remotely like "idol worship" ("
celebrities are just people" - "folks need to leave those people alone" - y' heard that sort of thing all the time) on top of the fact that they wouldn't support something they themselves can see no evidence of... like "soul mate". If "she" is from a similar type of world, "she" may have been rather perplexed herself at whatever it was, that undoubtedly had to have made it at least as meaningful and/or memorable to her as it seems to have been to him.


That's why I say that
somehow MJ and "this girl" did experience eachother in some rather profoundly unique way - something out of the ordinary, otherwise it could not (from the
cumulative glimpses provided through the music) have had such a profound sense of "reality" that expresses itself through song, seemingly spanning over a couple of decades, nor imho could have let this thread last this long! :lol: and with such poignant "meaning" to so many even if apparently not all. There's no telling what's going on with the multitude of anonymous "lurkers"! LOL!!.


:scratch: :lol: :sigh:

I'd like to think that if that's the case, it would be in the sense that
she, like MJ, is her own person, unique unto herself and isn't too centered around what people in the world think, because as MJ so aptly put it, "people are crazy" and I don't especially want to see some (probably middle aged by now) woman trying to moonwalk wearing a white glittery glove :lol:.

:punk:

I whole heartedly agree...

With regards to your thought about approaching men...

With no disrepect intended...In todays day and age many of the younger generation see no issue (s) with approaching the opposite gender...

However, the older generation... woman (like myself) were raised the old fashion way...it would be/still is considered improper conduct to approach or to ever chase after a man no matter who he was...

For me...totally not my style..!

Remember that show..? Fantasy Island..."the plane...the plane"...Giggles~~~

In business, the music industry, specially contractual law..."never" assume..!


:angel:Our Children Are The Future...WE Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Ashtanga]

And just a observation: I don't like Lisa, I never liked her! :zformation:
:smilerolleyes: This is a very controversial issue... :scratch:

Wow! I do not know Lisa, but I do not like her for the behavior she had after the divorce. It was not pleasant. But as someone touched on LMP I'll give my opinion. Michael has always been a sensitive person and Lisa appeared in his life at the right time when he was going through a difficult time. During this time Lisa was beside him and Michael by this gesture was very touched and from there came a feeling. Love??? For me, there was no passion, nothing else. This feeling can be that has not been the same intensity on both sides. Perhaps a feeling one way and one felt another way, it was not the same intensity of feeling and probably many other things that should have happened between them because we know that marriage is not easy.

In this case, Lisa and Michael are COMPLETELY different from each other. Michael had a very difficult life and Lisa was born rich and had everything in life so much easier. Michael earlier worked very hard to get what he wanted and to get where he still over the years he was still working very hard. I can not see it on Lisa. She NEVER had to fight for anything because everything has always been easy for her. She had a life of great battles like Michael had. The big difference between the two starts there.

If really A GREAT TRUE LOVE they would be together today and they were not together. When there is a real love between two people can not help but succeed. A relationship can only succeed if there is TRUE LOVE between the two. If not, never and never will work. I just know and say with absolute certainty that Michael did very mature at this wedding and learned many things. Not only in marriage but also marriage to Debbie, with everyone now in his life, about love between two people, in short with everything around him, that everything in life (both good and bad) we learn a great lesson that life is a great learning. For this and with so much learning that Michael became a human being with an incredible inner strength.

I hate when people say he was weak, naive and was manipulated by others. No, he is not and NEVER has anything like that. What I saw when I was a very intelligent man enlightened by God with a great inner strength. He NEVER was naive, those qualities that to me sound like weakness, are far from it. I believe he had trouble saying no to people, but when he was faced with a difficult time or problem, somehow he always ended up handling all around you and having the situation under control. He was always a very strong human being with an incredible inner strength. This is Michael Jackson. :punk:

This was only my thoughts on this subject... :)

Sorry for the size of the post. :cheeky:

[Lily]

Wow alot of reading. Nice posts everyone. :) Just a few thoughts before I leave to sort myself out internally. Blahhhhh :girl_sigh: :cry:



But Justus, I remember, had said in that post (that sadly disappeared), that

"[MJ] knows how to get a message across to a specific person and he knows how to get a message out to the masses."

So I guess she, that specific person, is one who is very good at hearing the lyrics clearly and knowing just what he is saying.

I think there are more ways to send messages to "someone", and I don't believe it happens only through song lyrics. Could be notes/signs/codes/actions and/or lyrics. I think when something specific is intended for someone, it's done so that that particular person will recognize or observe it, and just KNOW. It's called being creatively sneaky, but in a good loving way. LOL




Oh and I didn't mean this thread would be about Lisa....I just meant I think she was the love of his life. Seems that way. (Unless there was a "someone in the dark"...or some other "secret woman" (Grace/Shana/Joanna/Tatiana/Kai/who knows) the world is yet to discover....:scratch::lol:.)


"Betrayal" is not part of the meaning of LOVE, especially TRUE LOVE, never has been and never will be imo.

~~~~~

[tha]

If really A GREAT TRUE LOVE they would be together today and they were not together. When there is a real love between two people can not help but succeed. A relationship can only succeed if there is TRUE LOVE between the two. If not, never and never will work. I just know and say with absolute certainty that Michael did very mature at this wedding and learned many things. Not only in marriage but also marriage to Debbie, with everyone now in his life, about love between two people, in short with everything around him, that everything in life (both good and bad) we learn a great lesson that life is a great learning. For this and with so much learning that Michael became a human being with an incredible inner strength.

I also think that if you truly love someone, that relationship can be "eternal" (as the poet would say: "eternal so long as that lasts forever"), but it isn't only of love that is a relationship! Fellowship, complicity and, among other things, respect! Much respect and admiration for each other! If there isn't this, only love alone will not survive!


I hate when people say he was weak, naive and was manipulated by others. No, he is not and NEVER has anything like that. What I saw when I was a very intelligent man enlightened by God with a great inner strength. He NEVER was naive, those qualities that to me sound like weakness, are far from it. I believe he had trouble saying no to people, but when he was faced with a difficult time or problem, somehow he always ended up handling all around you and having the situation under control. He was always a very strong human being with an incredible inner strength. This is Michael Jackson. :punk:

It also makes me angry! The people make a image of Michael totally wrong! I'm not question his sensibility cause I know how sensitive he is, but that doesn't make him a naive, helpless! He is not a perfect man, but he is smarter than anyone in this world, he has all about control and always knows what to do! Label Michael Jackson as a "poor man" is to underestimate his intelligence!

THIS IT IT! THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON! ;)

[Ashtanga]

I also think that if you truly love someone, that relationship can be "eternal" (as the poet would say: "eternal so long as that lasts forever"), but it isn't only of love that is a relationship! Fellowship, complicity and, among other things, respect! Much respect and admiration for each other! If there isn't this, only love alone will not survive!

I know. :cheeky:

What I meant to say that TRUE LOVE is the main ingredient in a relationship. :)




It also makes me angry! The people make a image of Michael totally wrong! I'm not question his sensibility cause I know how sensitive he is, but that doesn't make him a naive, helpless! He is not a perfect man, but he is smarter than anyone in this world, he has all about control and always knows what to do! Label Michael Jackson as a "poor man" is to underestimate his intelligence!

THIS IT IT! THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON! ;)
:wild::wild::wild:




Look at this picture:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6908/1f6ykj.jpg

These curls, that mouth, those eyes, the skin and many other things...

Makes me want to take home! :wild::wild::wild:

Michael is a beautiful man. Inner beauty is even greater than all that beauty outside. :wub::wub::wub:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

[/COLOR]
What I meant to say that TRUE LOVE is the main ingredient in a relationship. :)


The indispensable ingredient! :)


[/COLOR] Look at this picture:


These curls, that mouth, those eyes, the skin and many other things...

Makes me want to take home! :wild::wild::wild:

Michael is a beautiful man. Inner beauty is even greater than all that beauty outside. :wub::wub::wub:

Holy Mother!!!!! What a beautiful man! :wub:

Take him to MY home! :rolleyes2:




The song is very pretty, isn't it? Especially the more you listen to it.[/COLOR]

:yes:

[Lainy]

:wild: I'm so happy for find nice things to read!


Originally Posted by STATEofSHOCK
MJ is all of his fans' "Mr. Right" :yes: (at least I never met a fan who didn't feel that way, I guess its a "language" we all speak! lol) and so hence, his fans are his "wife". He's been married to his fans a long, long, loooooooong time. :wub: :wub:


I remember that post being among the many I had to scan quickly due to time and don't remember that point but it reminds me of what Moddie777 and those had been saying about the notes MJ gave to fans, I guess knowing they would make their way around the fan community - the "double message" idea. At first, I was thinking, 'no his fans are "the one" he's talking to, and I also had that thought when I first heard This Is It, figuring, "it seems as though I've seen your face a thousand times" could have been meant literally to acknowledge his fans, until listening more carefully and more times, so yes, MJ is really good at making his songs sound as if they could have a double meaning.


I know many fans who love MJ and wanted to be there for him through all of his trials but couldn't, so maybe "she" was in the same predicament there too, not meaning she "loves" him any less from afar as she would person-to-person.


Sometimes Love's expression has to go beyond the ordinary. Sometimes it takes leaving the Love with the Source and letting the Love be guided by the Source. I guess I'm saying that when things are out of one's hands, it sometimes takes "surrender".
:clapping:
SOS I really love your posts! :blush: :yes:

Summer you didn't been a "party pooper", on the contrary, I think you have been realistic, being right or not, is your opinion and thanks for sharing it with us! ;D


Originally Posted by Summer
:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed:bugeyed
:doh:
:mello:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh :gugeyed You don't know how much I'm ashamed to have said that!:doh: But I said... :smilerolleyes: and it is true lol! :D :ph34r:
I'm moved the excitement! -_- :wild: :yes:


I am sure he understood what they were talking about and he heard his parents tell how difficult it is for them because he is always in the hospital and all that. He just looked SO SAD and had tears in his eyes and it looked like he was trying to disappear because he just kept becoming smaller and smaller in his body language...he just kept slouching more and more the longer they talked and I had to turn away because I was
about to start crying when I saw that. I just wanted to hug him and go "It is NOT your fault that you are sick and don't ever forget that you are being loved!!". I just felt so bad for him because it was like you could read straight from his face what he was thinking. That's the part in my job I hate...when we can't really give good
news. Like once we had this little girl who was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. Her mom had died all of the sudden just about a month earlier...and then the girl got sick, so they came to the hospital...and the doctors found out she had a brain tumor that was not curable and she didn't have much time left. We were all crying our eyes out in the staff room because we all felt so bad and none of us knew how to tell them that. It just felt so cruel! Especially so soon after the mother had died.

:boohoo:

It was so sad, but their work is beautiful and I am sure that God manifests for these children through you! Congratulations! :hug:


Originally Posted by ashtanga
I hate when people say he was weak, naive and was manipulated by others. No, he is not and NEVER has anything like that. What I saw when I was a very intelligent man enlightened by God with a great inner strength. He NEVER was naive, those qualities that to me sound like weakness, are far from it. I believe he had trouble saying no to people, but when he was faced with a difficult time or problem, somehow he always ended up
handling all around you and having the situation under control. He was always a very strong human being with an incredible inner strength. This is Michael Jackson.


Originally Posted by Tha
It also makes me angry! The people make a image of Michael totally wrong! I'm not question his sensibility cause I know how sensitive he is, but that doesn't make him a naive, helpless! He is not a perfect man, but he is smarter than anyone in this world, he has all about control and always knows what to do! Label Michael Jackson as a "poor man" is to underestimate his intelligence!

:clapping: :yes:

Ash and Tha, I totally agree and this is nothing new, since we have practically the same thoughts and opinions... dare: "To say the latter is not possible is to sorely underestimate the genius that IS Michael Jackson." :D:smilerolleyes:

:wild::wild: Ash my heart can't stand! :wub::wub:

Lily the song you posted above is beautiful! :blush:

[tha]

Ash and Tha, I totally agree and this is nothing new, since we have practically the same thoughts and opinions... dare: "To say the latter is not possible is to sorely underestimate the genius that IS Michael Jackson." :D:smilerolleues:

;) :yes: :clapping:

[LindaC781]

What is love? Here are some famous quotations on the subject:
From: http://honeymoons.about.com/cs/wordsofwisdom/a/whatislovequote.htm

"One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love." - Sophocles

"Attention is the most basic form of love; through it we bless and are blessed." - John Tarrant

"We love because it's the only true adventure." - Nikki Giovanni

"Love is like quicksilver in the hand. Leave the fingers open and it stays. Clutch it, and it darts away." - Dorothy Parker

"Love is friendship set on fire." - unknown

"Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing." - Goethe

"To be in love is merely to be in a state of perceptual anesthesia." - H.L. Mencken

"Love is everything it's cracked up to be. That's why people are so cynical about it...It really is worth fighting for, risking everything for. And the trouble is, if you don't risk everything, you risk even more." - Erica Jong

"Sometimes love is stronger than a man's convictions." - Isaac Bashevis Singer

"Love is the master key that opens the gates of happiness." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

"Maybe love is like luck. You have to go all the way to find it." - Robert Mitchum

"Love stretches your heart and makes you big inside." - Margaret Walker

"Love has no awareness of merit or demerit; it has no scale... Love loves; this is its nature." - Howard Thurman

"Love is like war: Easy to begin but hard to end." - Anonymous

"Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other." - Rainer Maria Rilke

"Where love is, no room is too small." - Talmud

"Loves makes your soul crawl out from its hiding place." - Zora Neale Hurston

"Love is the irresistible desire to be irresistibly desired." - Mark Twain

"Love is more than three words mumbled before bedtime. Love is sustained by action, a pattern of devotion in the things we do for each other every day." - Nicholas Sparks

"To love is to receive a glimpse of heaven." - Karen Sunde

"A love song is just a caress set to music." - Sigmund Romberg

"Love is an act of endless forgiveness, a tender look which becomes a habit." - Peter Ustinov

"Love is like a violin. The music may stop now and then, but the strings remain forever." - unknown

"Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existence." - Erich Fromm

"In the final analysis, love is the only reflection of man's worth." - Bill Wundram, Iowa Quad Cities Times

"Love doesn't make the world go round, love is what makes the ride worthwhile." - Elizabeth Browning

"Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Roumania."
- Dorothy Parker

"To love is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore to love is to suffer, not to love is to suffer. To suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy then is to suffer. But suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy one must love, or love to suffer, or suffer from too much happiness. I hope you're getting this down."
- Woody Allen,

[LindaC781]

Also, Time Magazine did a spread on "love" in 1993....here's what they had to say about it...

From http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,977763,00.html

Monday, Feb. 15, 1993
What Is LOVE?

By Paul Gray;Hannah Bloch/New York and Sally B. Donnelly/Los Angeles

What is this thing called love? What? Is this thing called love? What is this thing called? Love.
HOWEVER PUNCTUATED, COLE Porter's simple question begs an answer. Love's symptoms are familiar enough: a drifting mooniness in thought and behavior, the mad conceit that the entire universe has rolled itself up into the person of the beloved, a conviction that no one on earth has ever felt so torrentially about a fellow creature before. Love is ecstasy and torment, freedom and slavery. Poets and songwriters would be in a fine mess without it. Plus, it makes the world go round.
Until recently, scientists wanted no part of it.
The reason for this avoidance, this reluctance to study what is probably life's most intense emotion, is not difficult to track down. Love is mushy; science is hard. Anger and fear, feelings that have been considerably researched in the field and the lab, can be quantified through measurements: pulse and breathing rates, muscle contractions, a whole spider web of involuntary responses. Love does not register as definitively on the instruments; it leaves a blurred fingerprint that could be mistaken for anything from indigestion to a manic attack. Anger and fear have direct roles -- fighting or running -- in the survival of the species. Since it is possible (a cynic would say commonplace) for humans to mate and reproduce without ) love, all the attendant sighing and swooning and sonnet writing have struck many pragmatic investigators as beside the evolutionary point.
So biologists and anthropologists assumed that it would be fruitless, even frivolous, to study love's evolutionary origins, the way it was encoded in our genes or imprinted in our brains. Serious scientists simply assumed that love -- and especially Romantic Love -- was really all in the head, put there five or six centuries ago when civilized societies first found enough spare time to indulge in flowery prose. The task of writing the book of love was ceded to playwrights, poets and pulp novelists.
But during the past decade, scientists across a broad range of disciplines have had a change of heart about love. The amount of research expended on the tender passion has never been more intense. Explanations for this rise in interest vary. Some cite the spreading threat of AIDS; with casual sex carrying mortal risks, it seems important to know more about a force that binds couples faithfully together. Others point to the growing number of women scientists and suggest that they may be more willing than their male colleagues to take love seriously. Says Elaine Hatfield, the author of Love, Sex, and Intimacy: Their Psychology, Biology, and History: "When I was back at Stanford in the 1960s, they said studying love and human relationships was a quick way to ruin my career. Why not go where the real work was being done: on how fast rats could run?" Whatever the reasons, science seems to have come around to a view that nearly everyone else has always taken for granted: romance is real. It is not merely a conceit; it is bred into our biology.
Getting to this point logically is harder than it sounds. The love-as- cultural-delusion argument has long seemed unassailable. What actually accounts for the emotion, according to this scenario, is that people long ago made the mistake of taking fanciful literary tropes seriously. Ovid's Ars Amatoria is often cited as a major source of misreadings, its instructions followed, its ironies ignored. Other prime suspects include the 12th century troubadours in Provence who more or less invented the Art of Courtly Love, an elaborate, etiolated ritual for idle noblewomen and aspiring swains that would have been broken to bits by any hint of physical consummation.
Ever since then, the injunction to love and to be loved has hummed nonstop through popular culture; it is a dominant theme in music, films, novels, magazines and nearly everything shown on TV. Love is a formidable and thoroughly proved commercial engine; people will buy and do almost anything that promises them a chance at the bliss of romance.
But does all this mean that love is merely a phony emotion that we picked up because our culture celebrates it? Psychologist Lawrence Casler, author of Is Marriage Necessary?, forcefully thinks so, at least at first: "I don't believe love is part of human nature, not for a minute. There are social pressures at work." Then falls a shadow over this certainty. "Even if it is a part of human nature, like crime or violence, it's not necessarily desirable."
Well, love either is or is not intrinsic to our species; having it both ways leads nowhere. And the contention that romance is an entirely acquired trait -- overly imaginative troubadours' revenge on muddled literalists -- has always rested on some teetery premises.
For one thing, there is the chicken/egg dilemma. Which came first, sex or love? If the reproductive imperative was as dominant as Darwinians maintain, sex probably led the way. But why was love hatched in the process, since it was presumably unnecessary to get things started in the first place? Furthermore, what has sustained romance -- that odd collection of tics and impulses -- over the centuries? Most mass hallucinations, such as the 17th century tulip mania in Holland, flame out fairly rapidly when people realize the absurdity of what they have been doing and, as the common saying goes, come to their senses. When people in love come to their senses, they tend to orbit with added energy around each other and look more helplessly loopy and self-besotted. If romance were purely a figment, unsupported by any rational or sensible evidence, then surely most folks would be immune to it by now. Look around. It hasn't happened. Love is still in the air.
And it may be far more widespread than even romantics imagined. Those who argue that love is a cultural fantasy have tended to do so from a Eurocentric and class-driven point of view. Romance, they say, arose thanks to amenities peculiar to the West: leisure time, a modicum of creature comforts, a certain level of refinement in the arts and letters. When these trappings are absent, so is romance. Peasants mated; aristocrats fell in love.
But last year a study conducted by anthropologists William Jankowiak of the University of Nevada-Las Vegas and Edward Fischer of Tulane University found evidence of romantic love in at least 147 of the 166 cultures they studied. This discovery, if borne out, should pretty well wipe out the idea that love is an invention of the Western mind rather than a biological fact. Says Jankowiak: "It is, instead, a universal phenomenon, a panhuman characteristic that stretches across cultures. Societies like ours have the resources to show love through candy and flowers, but that does not mean that the lack of resources in other cultures indicates the absence of love."
Some scientists are not startled by this contention. One of them is anthropologist Helen Fisher, a research associate at the American Museum of Natural History and the author of Anatomy of Love: The Natural History of Monogamy, Adultery and Divorce, a recent book that is making waves among scientists and the general reading public. Says Fisher: "I've never not thought that love was a very primitive, basic human emotion, as basic as fear, anger or joy. It is so evident. I guess anthropologists have just been busy doing other things."
Among the things anthropologists -- often knobby-kneed gents in safari shorts -- tended to do in the past was ask questions about courtship and marriage rituals. This now seems a classic example, as the old song has it, of looking for love in all the wrong places. In many cultures, love and marriage do not go together. Weddings can have all the romance of corporate mergers, signed and sealed for family or territorial interests. This does not mean, Jankowiak insists, that love does not exist in such cultures; it erupts in clandestine forms, "a phenomenon to be dealt with."
Somewhere about this point, the specter of determinism begins once again to flap and cackle. If science is going to probe and prod and then announce that we are all scientifically fated to love -- and to love preprogrammed types -- by our genes and chemicals, then a lot of people would just as soon not know. If there truly is a biological predisposition to love, as more and more scientists are coming to believe, what follows is a recognition of the amazing diversity in the ways humans have chosen to express the feeling. The cartoon images of cavemen bopping cavewomen over the head and dragging them home by their hair? Love. Helen of Troy, subjecting her adopted city to 10 years of ruinous siege? Love. Romeo and Juliet? Ditto. Joe in Accounting making a fool of himself around the water cooler over Susan in Sales? Love. Like the , universe, the more we learn about love, the more preposterous and mysterious it is likely to appear.

[tha]

LindaC781 : It was a great post!! I loved!!! Thanks for sharing! ;)

[Ashtanga]

Ash and Tha, I totally agree and this is nothing new, since we have practically the same thoughts and opinions... dare: "To say the latter is not possible is to sorely underestimate the genius that IS Michael Jackson." :D:smilerolleues:

:wild::wild: Ash my heart can't stand! :wub::wub:
Thanks! :D


*Linda thanks for your precious two posts about love! :wub: :)

[LindaC781]

Thanks! :D


*Linda thanks for your precious two posts about love! :wub: :)
Thanks Ash...I'm still trying to figure out that Woody Allen one....??!! :scratch::scratch:

[tha]

Everyone should be enjoying the Friday night... :rolleyes: Then for those no social life like me :P I'll post a little pic of our King:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6351/anjomeumedium.jpg


:wub:

[8701girl]

And Lisa also had loads of her own money, so he knew she wans't a "gold digger". It seems that was one of his (if not THE) biggest fears that women were just after his money. Seems like he thought all women, except those who were rich and famous were just a bunch of gold diggers. :mello: :scratch: :unsure:

True. Im sure mike had 2 deal with plenty of gold diggers in his life!

[Justus]

ok there is absolutely no way I'm going to be able to catch up in here. but, I wanted to acknowledge Ape's long, reflective post from Wednesday...FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Another verse or two I was trying to make sense of were the following:

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
And this song we can save(The song will be "theirs, just for them, expressing parts of their story.)
And I tell you the thing (meaning the song)… let it play (let the song play and play ad play...) Okay...this is weak...*laughs* probably not hearing that right. :no:

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you were some of it yourself (she's somehow acknowledged to him that she knows/realizes that she has been a part of his life somehow during a duration of it.)
And you said wanted to go with me all a while (he thought she never did but somehow she has gotten across to him that in fact she always would have wanted to be with him, if she could have had her say in the matter)
And I know that it’s really true myself oh, yeah (he believes that now)

The song is very pretty, isn't it? Especially the more you listen to it.


queen g, this was a really good breakdown. You saw some things that I didn't see in there! And yes, it is a pretty song. The lyrics and the way he sings them are really sweet, aren't they?:)


And ...


Linda, thanks so much for those quotes on love! That was really enjoyable to read!:punk:

[Ashtanga]

The lyrics and the way he sings them are really sweet, aren't they?:)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm :smilerolleyes:

MJ:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4KU-q5jZkQ


"Love Never Felt So Good" (by Paul Anka :smilerolleyes:) was released commercially in the voice of Johnny Mathis in 1984.


Original version by Johnny Mathis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ssHztV7pVk




Love Never Felt So Good

(Paul Anka, Michael Jackson & Kathy Wakefield)

One, two, three
Baby, love never felt so good
And i doubt if it ever could
Not like you hold me, hold me
Oh baby
Love never felt so fine
And I doubt if it's ever mine
Not like you hold me, hold me
And the night's gonna be just fine
Gotta fly, Gotta sing, Got the way
I can't take it cause
Baby,
Every time I love you
In and out my life
In and out baby
Show me
If you really love me
It's in and out my life
In and out baby
So baby
Love never felt so good
Oh baby
Love never felt so fine (so fine)
And I doubt if it's ever mine
Not like you hold me, hold me
Oh baby
Love never felt so good
And I doubt if it ever could
Not like you hold me, hold me
And the night through the
Gotta fly, gotta sing, can't believe
I can't take it cause
Baby
Every time I love you
It's in and out my life
In and out baby
Tell me
if you really love
It's in and out my life
Driving me crazy
Baby
Love never felt so good
Oh baby
Love never felt so fine
And I doubt if it's mine all mine
Not like you hold me, hold me
Oh baby
Love never felt so good (so good)
An I doubt if it ever could
Not like you hold me, hold me
And the nights, that feels good (feel so good)
Gotta fly, gotta sing, can't believe
I can't take it cause
Baby
Everytime I love you
It's in and out my life
In and out baby
Tell me
If you really love me
It's in and out my life
Driving me crazy
Cause baby
Love never felt so good
Never felt so good (oh)
It never felt so good
Never felt so good
It never felt so good (Never felt so good)
It never felt so good
Never felt so good
Alright that's fine

:smilerolleyes:


:cheeky:

[Lainy]

Ash LOVE NEVER FELT SO GOOD is a beautiful song!
It's one of my favorite :blush:
Thanks for the post here!!

All these posts on the LOVE reminded me a sonnet by William Shakespeare, I don't remember seeing him here before, but if someone already posted I apologize. I always get emotional when I read it!

Soneto 116 - William Shakespeare

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

William Shakespeare

:wub::wub:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

Love Never Felt So Good is amazing! I love! And what about the tearful voice of Michael?! Oh, God! Perfect! :wub:




Soneto 116 - William Shakespeare

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

William Shakespeare

:wub::wub:

:clapping:

[SoS]

Ash LOVE NEVER FELT SO GOOD is a beautiful song!
It's one of my favorite :blush:
Thanks for the post here!!

All these posts on the LOVE reminded me a sonnet by William Shakespeare, I don't remember seeing him here before, but if someone already posted I apologize. I always get emotional when I read it!

Soneto 116 - William Shakespeare

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

William Shakespeare

:wub::wub:oh thank you for posting this! I was just thinking about Shakespeare's Sonnets the other day!

Here's a nice one too.

'reminds me of someone :wub:

Sonnet 105 "Let not my love be called idolatry"

Let not my love be called idolatry,
Nor my beloved as an idol show,
Since all alike my songs and praises be
To one, of one, still such, and ever so.
Kind is my love to-day, to-morrow kind,
Still constant in a wondrous excellence;
Therefore my verse to constancy confined,
One thing expressing, leaves out difference.
Fair, kind, and true, is all my argument,
Fair, kind, and true, varying to other words;
And in this change is my invention spent,
Three themes in one, which wondrous scope affords.
Fair, kind, and true, have often lived alone,
Which three till now, never kept seat in one.

lessee ... maybe we could do another Sonnet :reading:

Sonnet 60 "Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore"


Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end,
Each changing place with that which goes before
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith, being crowned,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight
And Time that gave, doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth,
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of natures truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow;
And yet, to times, in hope, my verse shall stand,
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand. :poetic:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Well, I guess Moddie's 2nd dream has come true ...




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SZc9hEspn3c/SkeErjv2X7I/AAAAAAAABIY/7XGBvri_rTQ/s400/JacksonMichaelReaganRonald.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SZc9hEspn3c/SkeErjv2X7I/AAAAAAAABIY/7XGBvri_rTQ/s400/JacksonMichaelReaganRonald.png)


The "Thriller era" MJ has revisited us and is singing to us through the song, "This Is It"!:wild:

[SoS]

^ Thanks MP for posting that! :wub: :wub: :wub:

What a beautiful picture too!

[Ashtanga]

Ash LOVE NEVER FELT SO GOOD is a beautiful song!
It's one of my favorite :blush:
Thanks for the post here!!

All these posts on the LOVE reminded me a sonnet by William Shakespeare, I don't remember seeing him here before, but if someone already posted I apologize. I always get emotional when I read it!

Soneto 116 - William Shakespeare

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

William Shakespeare

:wub::wub:

Lully, I also love "Love Never Felt so Good", she is perfect in the voice of Michael. Thanks for posting the beautiful words of Shakespeare. He also spoke beautifully about love and it was a great poet. :wub:





oh thank you for posting this! I was just thinking about Shakespeare's Sonnets the other day!

Here's a nice one too.

'reminds me of someone :wub:

Sonnet 105 "Let not my love be called idolatry"
Let not my love be called idolatry,
Nor my beloved as an idol show,
Since all alike my songs and praises be
To one, of one, still such, and ever so.
Kind is my love to-day, to-morrow kind,
Still constant in a wondrous excellence;
Therefore my verse to constancy confined,
One thing expressing, leaves out difference.
Fair, kind, and true, is all my argument,
Fair, kind, and true, varying to other words;
And in this change is my invention spent,
Three themes in one, which wondrous scope affords.
Fair, kind, and true, have often lived alone,
Which three till now, never kept seat in one.

SOS, thanks! Perfect! This is one of my favorites. :wub: :D




Well, I guess Moddie's 2nd dream has come true ...




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SZc9hEspn3c/SkeErjv2X7I/AAAAAAAABIY/7XGBvri_rTQ/s400/JacksonMichaelReaganRonald.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SZc9hEspn3c/SkeErjv2X7I/AAAAAAAABIY/7XGBvri_rTQ/s400/JacksonMichaelReaganRonald.png)


The "Thriller era" MJ has revisited us and is singing to us through the song, "This Is It"!:wild:

Thanks for posting this picture. It's one of my favorites. I love this jacket. :wild: That day was so important...

Wow, and I had exactly 3 years old! Time passed very fast! :swoon: :D





Now is my time... :D

I'll post a Brazilian poet of the sonnet "Vinicius de Moraes" which is another man in my life that I love so much (after Michael, of course! lol). Michael and Vinicius the two men in my life. :wub: I love everything that Vinicius wrote that he spoke intensely about love in a way so profound and beautiful. It was a great poet, songwriter and musician. I hope you enjoy.

This sonnet is dedicated to Michael. :wub:


Love Sonnet Total - Vinicius de Moraes

I love you so much, my love... not sing
The human heart with more truth...
I love you as a friend and a lover
Always a different reality.

I love thee in order, a quiet love serviceable
And love beyond, in this longing
I love you, finally, with great freedom
Inside eternity and at every moment.

I love you like an animal, simply
A love without mystery and without virtue
With a desire massive and permanent.

And love you so much and often
It is a day when your body suddenly
I will die of love more than I could.



And...



Michael thanked the sonnet that I dedicated to him with a beautiful smile. :D

Thanks Michael! :wub:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/769/ego0lt.jpg
:wub::wub::wub:

[SoS]

^ Ash that was perfect! ... and funny :giggle:

[Ashtanga]

^ Ash that was perfect! ... and funny :giggle:

Thanks! :D

I wanted to do something "creative" to Michael. Michael likes of creative people. lol! :wild: :dancin:

And the smile and look at it... He liked it. :wub:

[AllForMJ]

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

*************************

Michael was very much in love before he left, and he's showing that he spent quite a bit of time listening to the words of the one he was in love with. Notice the lines where he's saying, "you said...you say...you tell me...you said to me..." this all shows he was talking to her, listening to her and getting to know her. How else could her feel like he's known her for a thousand years?

In "The Way You Love Me" he also mentioned something that she said to him. There is the line where he says, "You told me you love me."

And about the way that he's using the number 1,000 in "This Is It." He did the same thing in "You Are So Beautiful." In this song he said, "You are so beautiful to me. Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go. I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)...."

Quite often in the past, he said no one understood him. In "This Is It," he doesn't seem to feel that way anymore. He said how long it feels like he's been knowing her and how she said she knows him too. Notice that he's not saying anything in the song to make it seem like he doesn't feel it's true.

Everything in "This Is It" reveals he was content with her. And once again he's not saying anything about money, what he'll give her or where he'll take her. He's only pleasantly singing about how he feels.

This is very refreshing. It was a long time coming and it happened just in time. Actually, in "The Way You Love Me" he said she came in time.

Thank God for that. Michael was in love before he left. He's been singing about his love for her since "One More Chance." He's been singing to her since "One More Chance." He was saying, "I can't stop loving you" at the end of it. In "Beautiful Girl" he was saying, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you?" In "This Is It" he said "Feel my song." Can't get any clearer than that.

Michael the balladeer was consistently serenading the one that he had fallen in love with and his words are very clear...very loving...very affectionate.
:wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Michael the balladeer was consistently serenading the one that he had fallen in love with and his words are very clear...very loving...very affectionate.
:wub:

Awww, thanks so much for your awesome (and insightful) post AllForMJ!:)


On a side note:

I have a question (to anyone) about the lyrics for "This Is It." I've written down what I hear and maybe somebody could tell me if they agree with me. Well, anyway, this is what I hear (I've bolded the parts that are different from how I've seen it written elsewhere):


This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

Oh!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said want to go with me all the while
And I know that it's really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, dear understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand, oh yeah!

[tha]

Awww, thanks so much for your awesome (and insightful) post AllForMJ!:)


On a side note:

I have a question (to anyone) about the lyrics for "This Is It." I've written down what I hear and maybe somebody could tell me if they agree with me. Well, anyway, this is what I hear (I've bolded the parts that are different from how I've seen it written elsewhere):


This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon, please dear, understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand


I can hear exactly what you put in bolded, MP! Is not it? :scratch:

[AllForMJ]

Awww, thanks so much for your awesome (and insightful) post AllForMJ!:)


On a side note:

I have a question (to anyone) about the lyrics for "This Is It." I've written down what I hear and maybe somebody could tell me if they agree with me. Well, anyway, this is what I hear (I've bolded the parts that are different from how I've seen it written elsewhere):


This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon, please dear, understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand
Oooooooo, sounds MUCH better that way, MP. Gonna zoom in to listen to what you hear.

Make that man feel a certain way and he will have some SERIOUS things to say. Mike didn't play when it came to love. It's the flame of his fire.
:yes:

[tha]

Oooooooo, sounds MUCH better that way, MP. Gonna zoom in to listen to what you hear.

Make that man feel a certain way and he will have some SERIOUS things to say. Mike didn't play when it came to love. It's the flame of his fire.
:yes:

I loved this sentence!! :yes: :wub:
Thanks for posting! :)

[Ashtanga]

Awww, thanks so much for your awesome (and insightful) post AllForMJ!:)


On a side note:

I have a question (to anyone) about the lyrics for "This Is It." I've written down what I hear and maybe somebody could tell me if they agree with me. Well, anyway, this is what I hear (I've bolded the parts that are different from how I've seen it written elsewhere):


This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

Oh!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said want to go with me all the while
And I know that it's really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, dear understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand, oh yeah!

:scratch:

:smilerolleyes:


Very interesting...

[wendy2004]

This was part of SOS' post...and just wanted to comment on this bit.


remember that post being among the many I had to scan quickly due to time and don't remember that point but it reminds me of what Moddie777 and those had been saying about the notes MJ gave to fans, I guess knowing they would make their way around the fan community - the "double message" idea

It's possible he sorta kinda suspected they would make their way around but I do remember that for one of his messages, he specifically asked the fan to put it on the internet. It was one of these 2 messages: :)

11/10/08 (nov. 10th)

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5853/img1417yj6.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5853/img1417yj6.jpg)

11/11/08 (Nov. 11th)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/TalinLovesMJ/000%20a%20-%20upload%20stuff/111108.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/TalinLovesMJ/000%20a%20-%20upload%20stuff/111108.jpg)


There's a lot of long posts in here and I'm out of time to lurk so unable comment on more posts. If what I've posted has already been posted...my bad. :fear: Also wanted to add that "maybe" he specifically asked for it to put on the internet becuz maybe not all of his written messages were shared as he expected. The reason I say this is becuz once those two notes (above) were shared, another fan THEN decided to share a note Michael had written a month prior. Unfortunately, she did not share it as "maybe" he suspected she would. So next time he wrote a note, he had to give specific direction to put it where all the fans could see it. Just my take. I could be wrong tho. eek!

Peace.

[AllForMJ]

I loved this sentence!! :yes: :wub:
Thanks for posting! :)
It popped into my head at the end, so I added it in. I guess God had this to say about him. :wub:

Glad you like it! :)

You know, when Michael was a kid singing "ABC," he said "I'm gonna teach you all about love, yeah." Well, he may have been a kid when he first recorded these words, but from looking at the type of man that he became once he grew up, he surrrrrre wasn't kidding.

When he was in love, he had no problem expressing it. The above handwritten message from him with the rose is another sweet reminder and notice that, as in "This Is It," he is talking about what he feels.

[cleopatra1975]

if he sends messages through fans means for me that he gots no contact with her..so that means that the lady who was a witness at the trial (someone in here mentinoned this before)and the shana lady isnt his gf at that time. It means he was in love with someone he got no contact.of course this is my humble opinion.i for myself wouldnt send a message to someone through ppl to tell my feelings to someone i have contact. huggs to all.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:scratch:

:smilerolleyes:


Very interesting...


Thank You.
:popcorn::tooth::hair_dryer::girl_nails:

[Ashtanga]

if he sends messages through fans means for me that he gots no contact with her..so that means that the lady who was a witness at the trial (someone in here mentinoned this before)and the shana lady isnt his gf at that time. It means he was in love with someone he got no contact.of course this is my humble opinion.i for myself wouldnt send a message to someone through ppl to tell my feelings to someone i have contact. huggs to all.
Yes... If he was in love I do not know and it is impossible to be 100% sure about something that is so far from us and so far from our eyes, because no one lived with Michael 24 hours a day to see exactly what happened and took place in private his.
Here are just speculation of what might have happened or how everyone here would like to have happen this love in Michael's life. The reality is very far from us. It is true that if there is true love and these two people truly love nothing could prevent these two people stay together. Under these conditions there is no impediment and if were not together is because there really was not true love. -_-




Thank You.
:popcorn::tooth::hair_dryer::girl_nails:
:smilerolleyes: Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thanks!!!! :D

:cheers:

[AllForMJ]

Thank You.
:popcorn::tooth::hair_dryer::girl_nails:
:lol: :lol:

Love your smilies! You go, MP!!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

... It is true that if there is true love and these two people truly love nothing could prevent these two people stay together. Under these conditions there is no impediment and if were not together is because there really was not true love.


:girl_whistle::girl_knitting:

[Ashtanga]

:girl_whistle::girl_knitting:
:smilerolleyes:

I know that deep down you agree with me at some point. :eviltongue:

:cheeky:

:cheers:

[SoS]

Yes... If he was in love I do not know and it is impossible to be 100% sure about something that is so far from us and so far from our eyes, because no one lived with Michael 24 hours a day to see exactly what happened and took place in private his.
Here are just speculation of what might have happened or how everyone here would like to have happen this love in Michael's life. The reality is very far from us. It is true that if there is true love and these two people truly love nothing could prevent these two people stay together. Under these conditions there is no impediment and if were not together is because there really was not true love. -_-




:smilerolleyes: Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thanks!!!! :D

:cheers:Well Ash, I have friends and relatives, couples who, one lives in America and the other in Africa or within the Country, one lives on the East Coast, the other on the West. These people do not, NOT have true love just because they are not "together". I know people who have met on the phone when they originally had a wrong number and continued to live worlds apart for whatver reason/s, on an on it goes. All kinds of circumstances when you're dealing with spiritual relationships and we're all spiritual beings just hanging out in these bodies, right? ;) .


There's a lot of long posts in here and I'm out of time to lurk so unable comment on more posts. If what I've posted has already been posted...my bad. :fear: Also wanted to add that "maybe" he specifically asked for it to put on the internet becuz maybe not all of his written messages were shared as he expected. The reason I say this is becuz once those two notes (above) were shared, another fan THEN decided to share a note Michael had written a month prior.he had to give specific direction to put it where all the fans could see it. Unfortunately, she did not share it as "maybe" he suspected she would. So next time he wrote a note, Just my take. I could be wrong tho. eek!Interesting suppositions there. Could be wrong, could be correct, but if its wrong we 'eeek' with you of course I'm sure .. lol. Hopefully that fan would understand. If true, then I suppose it could have told Michael something about how fans really don't want to share him! Greedy buggers LOL



if he sends messages through fans means for me that he gots no contact with her..so that means that the lady who was a witness at the trial (someone in here mentinoned this before)and the shana lady isnt his gf at that time. It means he was in love with someone he got no contact.of course this is my humble opinion.i for myself wouldnt send a message to someone through ppl to tell my feelings to someone i have contact. huggs to all. OR ... or its someone he talked to on the internet .. ?

whisper@queen_g sorry Love, no, of course not, I just didn't see where it was needed and gave me fright for my privacy in general, needlessly i'm sure, call me paranoid, i've been called worse, and less true things, i love u, really, u have to know that *giggles* *ducks!*


Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/grunge/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2289965#post2289965)
Awww, thanks so much for your awesome (and insightful) post AllForMJ!:)

On a side note:

I have a question (to anyone) about the lyrics for "This Is It." I've written down what I hear and maybe somebody could tell me if they agree with me. Well, anyway, this is what I hear (I've bolded the parts that are different from how I've seen it written elsewhere):


This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

Oh!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said want to go with me all the while
And I know that it's really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, dear understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand, oh yeah!This is good and AllforMJ's is too and Ape's and all are, its just - I still hear a few things very differently LOL - I don't guess I'll post after the 'gazelle' incident, LOL which was my first listen in a certain context and I do see that context was incorrect - it is interesting how subjective hearing can be according to what's in someone's frame of reference. Mine is NOW (changed) a combination of all yours plus - but oh well - - I Just can't stop listening to this song. Its gets more beautiful with each listen.

The background vocals and the piano could stand alone ... then there's Michael's unique and amazing voice. Maybe its me but it seems I can hear a blend of 80s and current and ah! that thing he does in the upper register, that flute-like twirly sound he does real quick at 3:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBFn2CgXySk :wub:

Sends CHILLS!

SO beautiful! So beautiful. This song like so many of Michael's songs - full of so many layers, like an onion, more listening means more uncovering.

Amazing amazing AMAZING and BEAUTIFUL song :wub:


:listeningtomusic: '... this is it..'

[Lainy]

And I'm enjoying reading the Shakespeare love sonnets in here, girls. :)


Love Never Felt So Good is amazing! I love! And what about the tearful voice of Michael?! Oh, God! Perfect! :wub:
:clapping:

Thanks!!! :flowers:


oh thank you for posting this! I was just thinking about Shakespeare's Sonnets the other day!

Here's a nice one too.

'reminds me of someone :wub:

Sonnet 105 "Let not my love be called idolatry"

Let not my love be called idolatry,
Nor my beloved as an idol show,
Since all alike my songs and praises be
To one, of one, still such, and ever so.
Kind is my love to-day, to-morrow kind,
Still constant in a wondrous excellence;
Therefore my verse to constancy confined,
One thing expressing, leaves out difference.
Fair, kind, and true, is all my argument,
Fair, kind, and true, varying to other words;
And in this change is my invention spent,
Three themes in one, which wondrous scope affords.
Fair, kind, and true, have often lived alone,
Which three till now, never kept seat in one.

lessee ... maybe we could do another Sonnet :reading:

Sonnet 60 "Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore"


Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end,
Each changing place with that which goes before
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith, being crowned,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight
And Time that gave, doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth,
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of natures truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow;
And yet, to times, in hope, my verse shall stand,
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand. :poetic:

:clapping: :bow:
Perfects!!!

Thank you very much!!! :flowers:
I love sonnets, poems, always stay thrilled when I read...
and I agree with you: 'reminds me of someone :wub:

wendy2004 thanks for posting!!!

MP Thanks for the pic!! :dance: so beautiful!! :blush:

Ash Vinicius de Moraes, is one of my favorite Brazilian poets, he has an incredible sense of humor, thanks for posting! :D

:friends:

[Ashtanga]

Well Ash, I have friends and relatives, couples who, one lives in America and the other in Africa or within the Country, one lives on the East Coast, the other on the West. These people do not, NOT have true love just because they are not "together". I know people who have met on the phone when they originally had a wrong number and continued to live worlds apart for whatver reason/s, on an on it goes. All kinds of circumstances when you're dealing with spiritual relationships and we're all spiritual beings just hanging out in these bodies, right? ;) .
:scratch:

:doh:

There I go again. lol! :ph34r: Do not kill me! lol! :D :bugeyed :(

I know what you said, but I see different. Why do I always have to be different and see the opposing view? Sorry, but I'm so. Forgive me. lol! Are you sure this is LOVE? :scratch:I can not imagine a love without physical contact. Love can not survive without physical contact. From what you said in your post, it seems to me that one day was a great true love with the distance has become a beautiful and great friendship. Well, love can exist, but when two people are separated by long (for whatever reason), love cools (the fact), it is different and is not the same intensity when you have one near you and by his side. To live a love for distance and live a love with the person next to you and around you are two totally different things, love is not the same intensity. I'm sure Michael could not survive and could not bear to live without a love physical contact with that person. In my opinion, this kind of love at a distance or whatever it is, not what Michael would need and I know he wanted to have that person close to him, even if something would prevent that happening, he would do everything possible to have the person next to him. If it is for him to live a love with the person away from him and so many impediments, I think it would be better to be alone.

"Love" the distance?

"Love" without being with the person around?

"Love" and occasionally (when possible) be with this person?

You could stand to live that kind of "love" at a distance?


:scratch::no:

Michael could not bear it or he would give up that person. -_-

Love without power to have the person next to you... not seem to be a love... true.

I know it may be possible, but it is something very, very, very difficult to succeed, endure and survive. I know that there must be cases like this somewhere in the world, but are rare.

In this case (Michael Jackson) is not what it needs and deserves. What he needs and deserves love is COMPLETELY in your life. :)


*I'm really afraid of being banned... :ph34r: :bugeyed

[SoS]

^ I guess its different for different people. Peoples' needs and expressions differ. Obviously those couples can love without physical contact. Plenty do it, all the time. You would not be in that type of relationship, but that's not to say what someone else would do. y'know?

[summer]

:scratch:

:doh:

There I go again. lol! :ph34r: Do not kill me! lol! :D :bugeyed :(

I know what you said, but I see different. Why do I always have to be different and see the opposing view? Sorry, but I'm so. Forgive me. lol! Are you sure this is LOVE? :scratch:I can not imagine a love without physical contact. Love can not survive without physical contact. From what you said in your post, it seems to me that one day was a great true love with the distance has become a beautiful and great friendship. Well, love can exist, but when two people are separated by long (for whatever reason), love cools (the fact), it is different and is not the same intensity when you have one near you and by his side. To live a love for distance and live a love with the person next to you and around you are two totally different things, love is not the same intensity. I'm sure Michael could not survive and could not bear to live without a love physical contact with that person. In my opinion, this kind of love at a distance or whatever it is, not what Michael would need and I know he wanted to have that person close to him, even if something would prevent that happening, he would do everything possible to have the person next to him. If it is for him to live a love with the person away from him and so many impediments, I think it would be better to be alone.

"Love" the distance?

"Love" without being with the person around?

"Love" and occasionally (when possible) be with this person?

You could stand to live that kind of "love" at a distance?


:scratch::no:

Michael could not bear it or he would give up that person. -_-

Love without power to have the person next to you... not seem to be a love... true.

I know it may be possible, but it is something very, very, very difficult to succeed, endure and survive. I know that there must be cases like this somewhere in the world, but are rare.

In this case (Michael Jackson) is not what it needs and deserves. What he needs and deserves love is COMPLETELY the love in your life. :)


Sometimes "absence makes the heart grow fonder". :P :lol: :lol:


This song (and video) kind of reminded me of this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vmAbd9WMM



:cheers:

[Ashtanga]

^ I guess its different for different people. Peoples' needs and expressions differ. Obviously those couples can love without physical contact. Plenty do it, all the time. You would not be in that type of relationship, but that's not to say what someone else would do. y'know?
:smilerolleyes:

Ok... :)




Sometimes "absence makes the heart grow fonder". :P :lol: :lol:


This song (and video) kind of reminded me of this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vmAbd9WMM



:cheers:


You said right... SOMETIMES it can be considered an aphrodisiac in a relationship, create a longing for each other and increase the love between the two, but not ALWAYS or FOREVER. In my opinion and that's how I see the love survive without physical contact. :)

Thanks for the video! :D :wub:

[SoS]

Someone who understands those types of relationships wrote this song ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cHZQNWp9yI a little comic relief in here too ..

as for forever ... who knows ... how long is too long ... is that love? :P

edit: I feel to add the disclaimer that says, who in this thread really knows what Michael needs in that way (except Michael of course). Most in here are just going by the music and we all see that differently.

That to me is the beauty of this thread. At the same time, if what you're saying is true, there's nothing saying he didn't get his physical needs met, with or without "her" in his life and of course, nobody KNOWS that either and whomever, if anyone, met those needs it does not seem to be the subject of his music. Thus, the point of this thread and the points brought out about the songs.

[tha]

So many posts lost here..... but let's see if I can express my opinions ....

Distance relationship is interesting, exciting, but I also think that it is only the beginning! Like any love, physical contact is necessary (and I am not referring to sex only)! You need a hug, a caress, a handshake or just have that person by your side, even without any physical contact! Sometimes it's good just to see that person you love is by your side! Being present is essential for any relationship! ^_^

Michael could have a relationship, any relationship with someone at a distance (as we fans, for example), but the love that he needs, the real love that is missing in his life, can't be lived at a distance, this love will not survive!

Michael is a grown man! He doesn't want an adventure, he wants a real relationship, a real love, a love for all life!

Well....is just my opinion! ;)

[SoS]

So many posts lost here..... but let's see if I can express my opinions ....

Distance relationship is interesting, exciting, but I also think that it is only the beginning! Like any love, physical contact is necessary (and I am not referring to sex only)! You need a hug, a caress, a handshake or just have that person by your side, even without any physical contact! Sometimes it's good just to see that person you love is by your side! Being present is essential for any relationship! ^_^

Michael could have a relationship, any relationship with someone at a distance (as we fans, for example), but the love that he needs, the real love that is missing in his life, can't be lived at a distance, this love will not survive!

Michael is a grown man! He doesn't want an adventure, he wants a real relationship, a real love, a love for all life!

Well....is just my opinion! ;) I'm not really seeing where its, "either" / "or" :unsure:

there are just too many ways things can be

and he did say, "This Is It" :unsure: so who knows what his plans were

[Popescu]

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

*************************

Michael was very much in love before he left, and he's showing that he spent quite a bit of time listening to the words of the one he was in love with. Notice the lines where he's saying, "you said...you say...you tell me...you said to me..." this all shows he was talking to her, listening to her and getting to know her. How else could her feel like he's known her for a thousand years?

In "The Way You Love Me" he also mentioned something that she said to him. There is the line where he says, "You told me you love me."

And about the way that he's using the number 1,000 in "This Is It." He did the same thing in "You Are So Beautiful." In this song he said, "You are so beautiful to me. Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go. I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)...."

Quite often in the past, he said no one understood him. In "This Is It," he doesn't seem to feel that way anymore. He said how long it feels like he's been knowing her and how she said she knows him too. Notice that he's not saying anything in the song to make it seem like he doesn't feel it's true.

Everything in "This Is It" reveals he was content with her. And once again he's not saying anything about money, what he'll give her or where he'll take her. He's only pleasantly singing about how he feels.

This is very refreshing. It was a long time coming and it happened just in time. Actually, in "The Way You Love Me" he said she came in time.

Thank God for that. Michael was in love before he left. He's been singing about his love for her since "One More Chance." He's been singing to her since "One More Chance." He was saying, "I can't stop loving you" at the end of it. In "Beautiful Girl" he was saying, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you?" In "This Is It" he said "Feel my song." Can't get any clearer than that.

Michael the balladeer was consistently serenading the one that he had fallen in love with and his words are very clear...very loving...very affectionate.
:wub:

Okay, I'll step out of my usual lurking mode for 30 seconds :popout:

Great thread by the way you guys :wub:

This is early 80's Michael were're talking about, right? The song was picked by the Estate, because of the lyrics, and was NOT intended to be released in the tour.
He sings about someone who hasn't noticed him, even though he was right there, who told him that she loves him, maybe apologises for "leaving" her (the yahoo interpretation). Maybe was her lover, that's interesting!

Sooo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxAghdWOtC4

*runs*

[tha]

I'm not really seeing where its, "either" / "or" :unsure:

there are just too many ways things can be

and he did say, "This Is It" :unsure: so who knows what his plans were


Exactly...."who knows what his plans were?!"! So I said: "is just my opinion" ;)

[Ashtanga]

At the same time, if what you're saying is true, there's nothing saying he didn't get his physical needs met, with or without "her" in his life and of course, nobody KNOWS that either and whomever, if anyone, met those needs it does not seem to be the subject of his music. Thus, the point of this thread and the points brought out about the songs.
:scratch:I think I was not so clear and I should have specified...

I have not mentioned and did not think about sex. lol! -_- This is an important ingredient, but is not essential and is the basis for a relationship, other ingredients are more important and fundamental and should be in first place in a relationship. Sex is only one answer of true love that one feels for others and is only a supplement. What I meant by "physical contact" is to be together, to live the moments, share all things good and bad with each other, sharing life together, a look, a touch, a smile, conversations, the presence of a and so many other things... So, for me, this "absence" love cools, cools the relationship and is very, very, very difficult for the distance relationship work.

That's what I meant... :)



he did say, "This Is It" :unsure: so who knows what his plans were


That's what I say all the time... -_-

What were the plans of Michael?

What exactly he wanted in life?

Nobody knows, only he knows. -_-

Nobody knows what went on in Michael's head, much less what were their thoughts, no one lived with it, no one was with him 24 hours a day... so I say, I say and I will always say it is impossible to be 100% sure that something is very, very, very far from our eyes that no one knows the true reality. What is true is to discuss what may or could have happened, speculating and nothing more. This is where the imagination and fly away with what everyone would like that had happened in Michael's life. In the imagination everything is possible and create in our minds a perfect life for Michael with a genuine love. A life for him no pain, no bad people, without obstacles, without danger and away from anything bad that a lot and love him unconditionally. But the reality is far from perfect and we know that Michael's life was never easy and always has been very difficult. For those who are outside the realm of Michael is easy to see only perfection and good things, but the only Michael and no one knows the true reality of it is that he felt that all the skin and not us. :)






*Popescu, welcome and thanks for the video! (I love your username) :)


*Tha, I fully agree with what you said:

"Michael could have a relationship, any relationship with someone at a distance (as we fans, for example), but the love that he needs, the real love that is missing in his life, can't be lived at a distance, this love will not survive!
Michael is a grown man! He doesn't want an adventure, he wants a real relationship, a real love, a love for all life!" :)

[tha]

:scratch:I think I was not so clear and I should have specified...

I have not mentioned and did not think about sex. lol! -_- This is an important ingredient, but is not essential and is the basis for a relationship, other ingredients are more important and fundamental and should be in first place in a relationship. Sex is only one answer of true love that one feels for others and is only a supplement. What I meant by "physical contact" is to be together, to live the moments, share all things good and bad with each other, sharing life together, a look, a touch, a smile, conversations, the presence of a and so many other things... So, for me, this "absence" love cools, cools the relationship and is very, very, very difficult for the distance relationship work.

That's what I meant... :)

It was exactly what I said! ;)





That's what I say all the time... -_-

Nobody knows what went on in Michael's head, much less what were their thoughts, no one lived with it, no one was with him 24 hours a day... so I say, I say and I will always say it is impossible to be 100% sure that something is very, very, very far from our eyes that no one knows the true reality. What is true is to discuss what may or could have happened, speculating and nothing more. This is where the imagination and fly away with what everyone would like that had happened in Michael's life. In the imagination everything is possible and create in our minds a perfect life for Michael with a genuine love. A life for him no pain, no bad people, without obstacles, without danger and away from anything bad that a lot and love him unconditionally. But the reality is far from perfect and we know that Michael's life was never easy and always has been very difficult. For those who are outside the realm of Michael is easy to see only perfection and good things, but the only Michael and no one knows the true reality of it is that he felt that all the skin and not us. :)

Exactly! :clapping: :yes:

[Ashtanga]

It was exactly what I said! ;)

Exactly! :clapping: :yes:

Thanks and thanks again for not killing me for my thoughts contrary. lol! :wild: :bugeyed

[Lainy]

So many posts lost here..... but let's see if I can express my opinions ....

Distance relationship is interesting, exciting, but I also think that it is only the beginning! Like any love, physical contact is necessary (and I am not referring to sex only)! You need a hug, a caress, a handshake or just have that person by your side, even without any physical contact! Sometimes it's good just to see that person you love is by your side! Being present is essential for any relationship! ^_^

Michael could have a relationship, any relationship with someone at a distance (as we fans, for example), but the love that he needs, the real love that is missing in his life, can't be lived at a distance, this love will not survive!

Michael is a grown man! He doesn't want an adventure, he wants a real relationship, a real love, a love for all life!

Well....is just my opinion! ;)

I agree with you Tha!
Really distance relationship beyond romantic is very exciting, but is need more, it's necessary to exchange of affection, kindness, looks, meeting of hands ... simple things but what take gigantic proportions when it's next to beloved person...

Michael's need more than that, more than a "fantasy" he needs a real love, not those who we dream and we live idealizing, because they will never be realized, simply because they exist only in our imagination... Michael does not need someone perfect, but someone real, with faults, but that anyway he loves her, and that this is reciprocal, because Michael's not perfect, is not an unattainable, unreachable ... he's a man who though famous, is common... suffer, smile, cry... And if in fact he found the person that he sings in This is it! Be happy, if is the Will of God, otherwise, everything's runs for the good of those who love Him, and I'm quiet because Michael loves God over all things. Then everything will be for him good!

Oh *Ash perfect post! :clapping:

[tha]

Thanks and thanks again for not killing me for my thoughts contrary. lol! :wild: :bugeyed

;) :)



I agree with you Tha!
Really distance relationship beyond romantic is very exciting, but is need more, it's necessary to exchange of affection, kindness, looks, meeting of hands ... simple things but what take gigantic proportions when it's next to beloved person...

Michael's need more than that, more than a "fantasy" he needs a real love, not those who we dream and we live idealizing, because they will never be realized, simply because they exist only in our imagination... Michael does not need someone perfect, but someone real, with faults, but that anyway he loves her, and that this is reciprocal, because Michael's not perfect, is not an unattainable, unreachable ... he's a man who though famous, is common... suffer, smile, cry... And if in fact he found the person that he sings in This is it! Be happy, if is the Will of God, otherwise, everything's runs for the good of those who love Him, and I'm quiet because Michael loves God over all things. Then everything will be for him good!

Oh *Ash perfect post! :clapping:

No one is perfect! I'm not perfect, so, Michael, where I leave my resume? :lol:

[Lainy]

No one is perfect! I'm not perfect, so, Michael, where I leave my resume? :lol:

:bugeyed :doh::laugh:

:girl_whistle:

[SoS]

Ash, While I do not agree that Michael is not interested in adventure (I feel he invented it) I do agree with you on just about everything else you've said. There are still too many ways things can be, for us to make assumptions of anything. This thread is only about the music ok? :lol: The music comes from "Above" through Michael, for a purpose. He writes it with his own vocabulary, some of which may also come from his own experience, all of which comes from his soul and since he's a grown man ya know LOL he can do what he wants. We only listen, we only hear.

I said, 'physical needs' which means, anything of a physical nature. Only MJ would know what all that would entail for him. Only MJ knows if, or how, he separates physical from non-physical interactions, or why he would, if he would.

If he got to hold the hand of the one in his soul, or the one in his immediate space or both or numerous, who all can know that. There are too many ways things can be and his needs (all of them) are personal to him. The music is not about the one (if any) who met those needs, its about one he has "yet" to have that with. I'm only going by the music.

I agree about MJ being a man of action, and still, you nor I KNOW what has occurred, other than the "clues" he has given. That's all I'm saying.

Its just all about the music and some of us can hear Michael's soul in his music and everyone's soul is made up of them.

Everything else is just debate and conjecture. :)

(and pretty much nobody's bizness LOL ... just listening to the music is all)

[Ashtanga]

Ash, While I do not agree that Michael is not interested in adventure (I feel he invented it) I do agree with you on just about everything else you've said. There are still too many ways things can be, for us to make assumptions of anything. This thread is only about the music ok? :lol: The music comes from "Above" through Michael, for a purpose. He writes it with his own vocabulary, some of which may also come from his own experience, all of which comes from his soul and since he's a grown man ya know LOL he can do what he wants. We only listen, we only hear.

I said, 'physical needs' which means, anything of a physical nature. Only MJ would know what all that would entail for him. Only MJ knows if, or how, he separates physical from non-physical interactions, or why he would, if he would.

If he got to hold the hand of the one in his soul, or the one in his immediate space or both or numerous, who all can know that. There are too many ways things can be and his needs (all of them) are personal to him. The music is not about the one (if any) who met those needs, its about one he has "yet" to have that with. I'm only going by the music.

I agree about MJ being a man of action, and still, you nor I KNOW what has occurred, other than the "clues" he has given. That's all I'm saying.

Its just all about the music and some of us can hear Michael's soul in his music and everyone's soul is made up of them.

Everything else is just debate and conjecture. :)

(and pretty much nobody's bizness LOL ... just listening to the music is all)
Ok...

Everyone here knows... I know that I think very different from everyone here and we will never reach an agreement. lol! :bugeyed This is my way to see, feel and understand things and especially the world of Michael Jackson, I really can not escape reality and go to the fantasy side, flying with imagination and speculate. :ph34r: I can only say that it is very interesting to read everyone's opinion here that are always soooooooooo different. This difference of opinion is the soul of this discussion. I just pray to never be banned here because I'm on the opposite side and the opposite view. lol! :bugeyed :wild: :ph34r: :no:

God, do not let that happen to me... :angel: :ph34r:

[tha]

Ok...

Everyone here knows... I know that I think very different from everyone here and we will never reach an agreement. lol! :bugeyed This is my way to see, feel and understand things and especially the world of Michael Jackson, I really can not escape reality and go to the fantasy side, flying with imagination and speculate. :ph34r: I can only say that it is very interesting to read everyone's opinion here that are always soooooooooo different. This difference of opinion is the soul of this discussion. I just pray to never be banned here because I'm on the opposite side and the opposite view. lol! :bugeyed :wild: :ph34r: :no:

Exactly! :yes: :)


God, do not let that happen to me... :angel: :ph34r:

God, don't let that happen to US..... :angel: :lol:

[SoS]

U 2 are silly! :giggle:

Nobody completely disagrees on everything, but I don't mind agreeing to disagree if we must. ;) Works for me.



*goes to call the mods*




:lol:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

*That's funny Popescu! I always thought MJ's songs were about Miss Ross!

Anyway, I just wanted to say: ash and tha, I liked your posts. You brought up many valid points. I think it would be difficult to have just a "spiritual" relationship with a person, from a distance, forever, since humans are comprised of a soul and a body and the flesh needs the flesh, as you have stated. And yes, one or even both of them, may have been tempted to find someone else to fulfill their needs or ... even give up on their "unique" relationship altogether. However, I feel that even when two people can't be together "physically," that doesn't stop the love that they have for each other.

And, while I feel that it's God's intention to bring two people together "physically," the process can sometimes be slowed down by various things. The people involved could be trying to get ahead of God in their impatience, which would slow things down. They could be making mistakes. That would definitely slow down the process because then God would have to spend time helping them undo their mistakes. It could also be a long process simply because God has to take time to do some things in one or, more than likely, both of the people, or their situation. And sometimes things just take the time they take. For instance, when a couple is going to have a baby, it will take them 9 months to realize this dream. They could do everything perfectly, but it will still take them 9 months, simply because that is how long it takes.

Something else that people don't realize is that when dealing with the spirit world, there is goodness and light, but there is also darkness and evil. And, as we all know, Michael was/is a very special person, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be spending time writing about him on this board. I don't think people realize how much opposition Michael has really had to endure because of that darkness. We have seen him lose almost everything because of it, if it had not been for the grace of God. If it has been this way in his life with everything else, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to believe that he would experience the same opposition when it came to his "someone in the dark" (if she exists). I don't think the same forces who were against him in other areas of his life would exactly be willing to roll out the red carpet for him and "her."

Everything came hard for Michael and I don't think love was any exception. "Love is a battlefield" could have been his motto. However, just because of the battles, it doesn't mean the love story is necessarily over. Perhaps God had to do something very unique to finally bring them together. Perhaps it has to happen in the next life, or perhaps the faith they have in each other and their love could bring about an incredible miracle. We really don't know how it will play out in the end. But, as I had stated before, God's delay is not necessarily denial. It may have taken a long time, perhaps a very long time, but they may have somehow found a way, with God's help, to overcome all of their battles. Maybe that is what he meant when he sang, "This Is It"! And, aren't things sweeter when you've had to wait for them a long time?:yes:

[Ashtanga]

U 2 are silly! :giggle:

Nobody completely disagrees on everything, but I don't mind agreeing to disagree if we must. ;) Works for me.



*goes to call the mods*




:lol:
:bugeyed :(





*That's funny Popescu! I always thought MJ's songs were about Miss Ross!

Anyway, I just wanted to say: ash and tha, I liked your posts. You brought up many valid points. I think it would be difficult to have just a "spiritual" relationship with a person, from a distance, forever, since humans are comprised of a soul and a body and the flesh needs the flesh, as you have stated. And yes, one or even both of them, may have been tempted to find someone else to fulfill their needs or ... even give up on their "unique" relationship altogether. However, I feel that even when two people can't be together "physically," that doesn't stop the love that they have for each other.

And, while I feel that it's God's intention to bring two people together "physically," the process can sometimes be slowed down by various things. The people involved could be trying to get ahead of God in their impatience, which would slow things down. They could be making mistakes. That would definitely slow down the process because then God would have to spend time helping them undo their mistakes. It could also be a long process simply because God has to take time to do some things in one or, more than likely, both of the people, or their situation. And sometimes things just take the time they take. For instance, when a couple is going to have a baby, it will take them 9 months to realize this dream. They could do everything perfectly, but it will still take them 9 months, simply because that is how long it takes.

Something else that people don't realize is that when dealing with the spirit world, there is goodness and light, but there is also darkness and evil. And, as we all know, Michael was/is a very special person, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be spending time writing about him on this board. I don't think people realize how much opposition Michael has really had to endure because of that darkness. We have seen him lose almost everything because of it, if it had not been for the grace of God. If it has been this way in his life with everything else, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to believe that he would experience the same opposition when it came to his "someone in the dark" (if she exists). I don't think the same forces who were against him in other areas of his life would exactly be willing to roll out the red carpet for him and "her."

Everything came hard for Michael and I don't think love was any exception. "Love is a battlefield" could have been his motto. However, just because of the battles, it doesn't mean the love story is necessarily over. Perhaps God had to do something very unique to finally bring them together. Perhaps it has to happen in the next life, or perhaps the faith they have in each other and their love could bring about an incredible miracle. We really don't know how it will play out in the end. But, as I had stated before, God's delay is not necessarily denial. It may have taken a long time, perhaps a very long time, but they may have somehow found a way, with God's help, to overcome all of their battles. Maybe that is what he meant when he sang, "This Is It"! And, aren't things sweeter when you've had to wait for them a long time?:yes:
:smilerolleyes: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Very interesting your little book. lol! :D

I will not comment on anything and I'll just say thanks for being kind to agree "on some points" with me...:D :closedeyes:

You always end up agreeing with me. lol! :yes: :closedeyes:

:cheeky:

[tha]

U 2 are silly! :giggle:

:lol:


Nobody completely disagrees on everything, but I don't mind agreeing to disagree if we must. ;) Works for me.

Works for me too! ;)



*goes to call the mods*

Nooooooooooooooooo! :wild:

:lmao:

[Lainy]

I also believe that different opinions are the foundation of this discussion, what keeps! And not new that I think differently too! :ph34r:


Originally Posted by Tha
God, don't let that happen to US..... :angel: :lol:

:pray:

[tha]

Anyway, I just wanted to say: ash and tha, I liked your posts. You brought up many valid points. I think it would be difficult to have just a "spiritual" relationship with a person, from a distance, forever, since humans are comprised of a soul and a body and the flesh needs the flesh, as you have stated. And yes, one or even both of them, may have been tempted to find someone else to fulfill their needs or ... even give up on their "unique" relationship altogether. However, I feel that even when two people can't be together "physically," that doesn't stop the love that they have for each other.

Thanks! ;)


And, while I feel that it's God's intention to bring two people together "physically," the process can sometimes be slowed down by various things. The people involved could be trying to get ahead of God in their impatience, which would slow things down. They could be making mistakes. That would definitely slow down the process because then God would have to spend time helping them undo their mistakes. It could also be a long process simply because God has to take time to do some things in one or, more than likely, both of the people, or their situation. And sometimes things just take the time they take. For instance, when a couple is going to have a baby, it will take them 9 months to realize this dream. They could do everything perfectly, but it will still take them 9 months, simply because that is how long it takes.

I agree, but I think we should not let all in God's hands! I do not know if I can make you understand me, but I think if two people love each other and are in God's plan that they being together, they should give a "little help" to God, yes! Sometimes He gives us only the stick and we have to learn to fish alone! ^_^


Something else that people don't realize is that when dealing with the spirit world, there is goodness and light, but there is also darkness and evil. And, as we all know, Michael was/is a very special person, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be spending time writing about him on this board. I don't think people realize how much opposition Michael has really had to endure because of that darkness. We have seen him lose almost everything because of it, if it had not been for the grace of God. If it has been this way in his life with everything else, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to believe that he would experience the same opposition when it came to his "someone in the dark" (if she exists). I don't think the same forces who were against him in other areas of his life would exactly be willing to roll out the red carpet for him and "her."

Everything came hard for Michael and I don't think love was any exception. "Love is a battlefield" could have been his motto. However, just because of the battles, it doesn't mean the love story is necessarily over. Perhaps God had to do something very unique to finally bring them together. Perhaps it has to happen in the next life, or perhaps the faith they have in each other and their love could bring about an incredible miracle. We really don't know how it will play out in the end. But, as I had stated before, God's delay is not necessarily denial. It may have taken a long time, perhaps a very long time, but they may have somehow found a way, with God's help, to overcome all of their battles. Maybe that is what he meant when he sang, "This Is It"! And, aren't things sweeter when you've had to wait for them a long time?:yes:

:closedeyes:

[Lainy]

Your post was amazing MP, The God's timing is different from ours, we have to endure the delays of God!
Everything is for the good of those who love God, I believe that something amazing will happen, who knows, not is the opportunity of Michael to find love in the dark? :girl_happy:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

You always end up agreeing with me. lol! :yes: :closedeyes:
:cheeky:

Hey! I do don't I? :wild:




I agree, but I think we should not let all in God's hands! I do not know if I can make you understand me, but I think if two people love each other and are in God's plan that they being together, they should give a "little help" to God, yes! Sometimes He gives us only the stick and we have to learn to fish alone! ^_^

Ha! Ha! More people have gotten into trouble tryin' to "help God out a little." :cheeky:

[tha]

Ha! Ha! More people have gotten into trouble tryin' to "help God out a little." :cheeky:


:doh: :lol:

Lully => I'm here! ;)

[SoS]

MP all I can say is wow. :mouth_hanging_open:

Amazing post!!


Okay, I'll step out of my usual lurking mode for 30 seconds :popout:

Great thread by the way you guys :wub:

This is early 80's Michael were're talking about, right? The song was picked by the Estate, because of the lyrics, and was NOT intended to be released in the tour.
He sings about someone who hasn't noticed him, even though he was right there, who told him that she loves him, maybe apologises for "leaving" her (the yahoo interpretation). Maybe was her lover, that's interesting!

Sooo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxAghdWOtC4

*runs*Love this scene! :wub: I have always loved both of them so much

I remember recording this on Beta Max :giggle:

rewinding it over and over :wub:

until my dad walked in and snapped off the TV in my face :busted:

he's older and wiser now thank goodness but back then ..

Daddy could swear, I declare :girl_mad:made me so mad I could have ..





:blowup:
y' just wished you could say, ":girl_gthooh: "




:fool:





:angel:

those were the strange old days



but it had its heavenly side too :wub:

oh well,

sorry :doh:

remeniscing and having


a smiley attack!!! :wild:





*sneaking out before a certain smiley patrolling member gets here*




:moonwalk

[tha]

*sneaking out before a certain smiley patrolling member gets here*




:moonwalk

:mello: :unsure: :scratch:

[SoS]

:mello: :unsure: :scratch:ya know, like *leaving the thread*?? :brow:

OK so it was lame! :lol:

[Ashtanga]

Hey! I do don't I? :wild:
Silence and mystery... Ha! Ha! Ha! I love it! lol! :wild:

:smilerolleyes:

:fortuneteller:

:cheers:



*I think I'm so addicted to this discussion. I can not stay away. lol! :wild: It is late at night I'm still awake. I think I'll take a vacation of "dark love". :yes:

Well, I'm going to sleep now... I just came here to read the posts and see what the MP walked ready here. lol! :smilerolleyes: :D

Well, here a few hours :timer: we will have more discussions, opinions, analysis, speculations... and I'll be here to read and follow. Now I have to rest my brain (lol!) and rebuild my energy. :wild: :yes:


:cheers:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Now you've done it queen g. Each of us ladies on the net can jump up and down in unison shouting that "the lady in the dark was ME!" and there's nobody now to correct us and bring us back to earth. Pandora's box has been opened. lol. Either that or we'll all be pointing fingers at each other asking, is it YOU??

I have to admit though, I really liked your interpretation of the dream. Very clever and creative. I wouldn't have thought of that (I didn't think of it, in fact). One thing too, when it shows they are together and alone in the dream, maybe that could be when the two of them were chatting together alone, and when it shows other people looking on, maybe that's when it's in a setting not so private with others around, like forums or a chatroom. Yes this is a fun interpretation. Actually makes more sense to me than someone sending messages in a song to another without having some form of one on one real communication that's almost like being together. It could be both.

Where is the thread of Trish's that you mention? I rarely look around anymore since things have changed so much. Too much to look through.

I do agree with you Ash that with lacking physical closeness, it would be so difficult to continue a loving relationship. To not be able to sit in each others presence to talk. To not hear each others laughter. To not give each other a comforting hug, and yes... eventually have that time in the bedroom.. it would be difficult. Not impossible to hold on to, but difficult. I'd imagine the yearning to be together would be overwhelming at times. I suppose somehow though, they would find ways to comfort each other even through their distance, even if there might be troubles that come up because of distance or anything really. Relationships are never 100% without problems, or maybe even arguments. So... I don't know. I still have troubles looking at this as MJ being gone.

I want to share some things in here that I found online that really make me think of this thread, but it's someone's private blog. Just beautiful though. It plays the heartstrings like a violin concerto (that was for Summer ;) ). Gives that exact feeling actually, to read. I don't know the person or I'd ask to share parts.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

This brings me to my original interpretation, that I never got around to sharing, of a dream of Moddie's which she posted some weeks back. Now might be the better timing to post it. If you remember, I had said that somethings that Trish and Justus had posted made me feel that perhaps I was seeing things correctly regarding this dream. Trish in a thread had reassured us members that MJ was very computer aware and had definitely visited MJJC. Justus told us that MJ read our thread here and had a fondness for it.

Here's that dream, with my interpretations in red.


And there ya are. Sorry it took me so long to post my thoughts on that dream but maybe timing was important. Maybe MJ and his lady friend had some real good times together playing online and it made him smile. It probably made her real happy as well.

:wild::wild::wild::eat:

Wow! What a dream analysis! I didn't even see that when I was trying to interpret it! I officially pass the dream analysis baton over to queen g!!!:number_1:

*queen g shooting all our smilies*
:western::lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

I love how in this Love thread we're loving eachother even "in our violence" :giggle:

and yes, it seems we need to add that "disclaimer" every now and then

I've nothing else to add other than this random thought I guess I'll share speaking of Shakespeare, a favorite quote from Hamlet about dreams which seems to fit the thread in more ways than one, and it occurred to me that it also seems to line up with a persistent question that's been touched on lately, so, without further adieu, here's my random thought:


To be, or not to be: that is the question:

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say
we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd.

...To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause

Like I say, it was a random thought but I figured it fit, so ... yeh
:scratch:



:popcorn: *going back to reading now*

[8701girl]

[QUOTE=queen g;2291538Trish in a thread had reassured us members that MJ was very computer aware and had definitely visited MJJC. Justus told us that MJ read our thread here and had a fondness for it. So this made me think that it could be possible that MJ did talk with his LITD friend somewhere on the internet.[/QUOTE]


:wild: wow to think mike loved how discussions bout his songs & stuff .. hope he liked our interpations (sorry guys for the spelling, but im sure u all know what i mean) of his songs. I wonder if he ever agreed with us

[cleopatra1975]

now there was a poster before michaels dead..mjssecretlover...she wrote and giggled here...maybe one of you remember..maybe they both readed this forum? and wanted to say your all are in the right direction..who knows

[Lily]

Interesting.......


*leaves to put on another movie and finish painting*

[Moddie777]

Hi guys,

I only had time to read through a few pages. Been busy with the family.

queen q, Amazing post about my dream and your internet interpretation. That was brillant and insightful. It sent chills. Wow! I thought that was so beautiful and probably very realistic to how Michael had to do things (use the internet to communicate). If this is true, it says alot about his life and what was going on around him. Normally, we pick up the phone, or go visit our loved ones, there are no barriers to knock down or overcome. Yous interpretation tells me, my other dream about the "Shadowy Dark Forces" were very real and played a significant role in why Michael and "her", had so much distance between them as his song lyrics through the years suggest.

Your interpretation of that dream and Cleo's post a few pages back also goes together.
cleo said something about believing Michael didn't have "contact" with his lady love( can't remember the exact post). I have always believed in this theory: This is a woman of whom was not in Michael's immediate path, she wasn't in his everyday world. If she was, they would have alreay been married by now and we would already know of her. His clues have told us time and time again, how much he longed for her through the years to be closer and nearer.

She and Michael must have developed their own way of "talking" to eachother, the internet would be a perfect way of doing that, when there are forces preventing you from being together.

Can not believe all these amazing and beautiful clues after our Michael has gone.....

Wow.

[Ape]

I have a question. I don't know if anyone could ever answer it but why couldn't he be with someone he loved? What forces would keep them apart? Also Justus said that because of his identity it prevented him from becoming close enough to those he loved other than his children. Why? I am maybe unable to see that side of things because I'm not in his shoes. I don't understand why, if he wanted to, couldn't Michael Jackson go visit or be with someone he wanted to. Is it because of the media or something else? Wouldn't there be ways for him to spend time in person with someone he wanted to?

I'm sure I've asked this question before in here now that I've written it down again but I still wonder.

I also think it is silly to think that a woman with money won't be a golddigger any more than one who has little money. Some people who have lots of money only want more. They have that greed that makes them never satisfied. On the other side, there are plenty of people who aren't rich because they never placed that importance on monetary things. They find richness in things like relationships and family and creativity or something other than material things. These people are more likely to be victim of golddiggers than to be one themselves. Same can be said for fame. Some people who are famous themselves might want to use someone more famous for their own gain. My point is, not everyone wants fame, and not everyone is after money, so just because someone has fame or money doesn't mean they won't want more than they already have, also just because someone doesn't have it, doesn't mean they will be after it (in fact I would think the opposite might be true). Just wanted to add those thoughts because it never made sense to me when I read that he thought he could only be with someone who was rich and famous because then they automatically won't be after his fame or money, or someone who knew nothing about him.

[Ashtanga]

Ash... if they had gotten together this would have been revealed, and well, things could have ended up on shaky ground pretty fast. It was perhaps a very good thing they kept...their...distance.

Here's that dream, with my interpretations in red.

And there ya are. Sorry it took me so long to post my thoughts on that dream but maybe timing was important. Maybe MJ and his lady friend had some real good times together playing online and it made him smile. It probably made her real happy as well.

I'm back... I really can not stay long away from here. lol! :wild:

Wow... Everyone here knows that I think "she" does not exist and never existed. -_- :ph34r: But now I must confess... :yes: queen g I cried reading your post about the dream, but I do not know why I cried. lol! :wild: It was very beautiful, exciting to read and I had a great mix of sensations. :wub:

Well, I'm speechless. lol! This is it... :D






I have a question. I don't know if anyone could ever answer it but why couldn't he be with someone he loved? What forces would keep them apart?
Ha! Ha! Ha! lol! :wild:

Now you're thinking like me. :D That's what I've been talking all the time. -_- Where is the true love that endures all things and beyond barriers? Why two people who truly love unconditionally and are not together? That is simple fact that for me it does not exist and never existed. :ph34r:

And do not kill me for it! lol! :bugeyed:(

[summer]

I have a question. I don't know if anyone could ever answer it but why couldn't he be with someone he loved? What forces would keep them apart? Also Justus said that because of his identity it prevented him from becoming close enough to those he loved other than his children. Why? I am maybe unable to see that side of things because I'm not in his shoes. I don't understand why, if he wanted to, couldn't Michael Jackson go visit or be with someone he wanted to. Is it because of the media or something else? Wouldn't there be ways for him to spend time in person with someone he wanted to?

I'm sure I've asked this question before in here now that I've written it down again but I still wonder.

Yeah, in a way I can't understand that either...but then again I can. (If that makes any sense? :doh: :lol:). I mean, in a way you'd think "Well, how hard is it to pick up the phone and call someone?!" :doh: I mean, he did have access to a phone, I'm sure, and I doubt anyone prevented him from using it. So you know, that's at least ONE way to contact someone and stay in contact. And I can't see someone preventing him to have friends come over to his house either, really. I mean, someone can try...but wouldn't it come out pretty soon if they did do so against MJ's wishes and without him knowing? I mean, let's say he calls someone and invites them over on a particular day at a particular time. Then that person goes over...and (let's say) security doesn't let that person in. If you were that person, wouldn't you call him and say "Hey what's up? They don't let me in? Can you come down, or talk to them?". Or if they tell you "Michael changed his plans, he's not at home", etc....wouldn't you still call him or at least mention that the next time you talk to him...or text him or whatever and say something like "Sorry we couldn't hang out after all", etc. I mean, if you do talk on the phone, and have contact, I don't see how you can't see each other. I mean, people can of course try to sabotage it and play mind games and start some "she said/ he said" thing...but don't you think anyone would catch on what is going on if everytime a certain person was supposed to come over, she was sent away with some excuse, or MJ was told some excuse, and then every time you talk you realize it was the same security? Wouldn't you change your security then? :scratch: I mean, at least that's what I'd do. But then again, I'm not a celebrity and don't know how communication in "that world" works, so maybe it's not as easy as we all make it to be? The only thing I have noticed about MJ being "controlled" in a way by security is when he is out and about though....Often it looks like he'd want to go greet all the fans, but his security seems to prevent it...or he turns around and it looks liek he wants to go one direction, but his people block his way and usher him to another direction, so he has to go that way. So that's the only thing I could think of why it would be difficult for him to physically get in contact....because sometimes his people literally block his way, and he also has to listen to his security to be safe. And that's because he is MICHAEL JACKSON. It's all because of his fame. Then again, he could easily meet someone in his home or in his hotel, without anyone knowing or disturbing them...don't you think? I mean, even with just fans...he used to always invite fans to his room to meet him or would send his bodyguards down to get stuff from fans or to bring certain fans that he himself had picked to go meet him. So he did have a way to get in physical contact that way too. Not that easy...but it was possible. In London in March he didn't invite any fans to meet him actually. The whole athmosphere was a bit "weird" to be honest...totally different from what I had been used to before. We didn't even know where his windows were until after the press conference. :mello: It sort of felt like he just wanted to do the public stuff when he absolutely HAD to and wanted to be left alone and have his privacy other wise. I can remember how I was thinking (and I said it out loud as well at his hotel) that maybe he was tired of the "fan stuff" and fans being loud and all that and maybe he just wanted to spend time with his family and then when he was on stage, fans could see him. The people from the hotel told us MJ was sleeping in a sound proof room and didn't have windows to the street. That was the day before the press conference. Then after the press conference we still didn't know where his windows were. After a while this one fan came to stand in front of us all and said "I've been told exclusively where MJ's windows are! You don't have to believe me...but I've been told they are at the other side...so anyone who wants to see him, should go there!" So we all went there and I think within 5-10 minutes MJ was waving to the fans and BEAMING. Anyways, I can remember that so clearly because I was actually about to leave the hotel like only 10 minutes before that because I was freezing and it felt like we weren't really welcome there. Then this one other fan who had to leave was like "No...stay a little while..maybe you'll miss something if you leave now!" So I was like..."I doubt it...but okay..I guess I could hang around for maybe another half an hour to an hour...but then I'll leave." I am SO GLAD she told me to stay...because I would have missed seeing MJ at the window!! Anyways, I just remember all that because the "vibe" was a bit weird and a little "unwelcoming" at first in my opinion. I was thinking "I wondr why MJ doesn't wanna see the fans? Maybe he's tired of it all and wants to be left alone?". Anyways...not sure what my point is...but I guess in a way someone could "control" the situation if they wanted to. I mean, what if someone wanted MJ to think he has no fans left or that the fans don't care about him...and MJ looked out the window and saw there are no fans and thought "OMG, it's true!!! The fans have totally abandoned me!! There isn't a soul out there!" :boohoo: (Because we all were standing at the BACK of the hotel...bcause we didn't know where his windows were). Then on the other hand, I guess MJ could control it too if he indeed wanted to be left alone. :scratch:Anyways, I guess the point is that ther maybe were ways other people could prevent him from getting in contact with someone...but then on th other hand I think there were ways MJ could have used to get around it all. :scratch: :lol: Heck if I know...:lol:

As to "other ways" why it could have been hard for him to "get in contact"...I guess maybe his name and status could have been one reason. You know, not so easy for him to just walk up to someone and start chatting like a normal person would. Because the other person would probably be freaking out like :woohoo: "OMG!!! THAT'S MICHAEL JACKSON!!", or they'd be like :stretcher Or they's immediately start asking him for his autograph or to get their picture taken with him or they'd start telling him how much they love his music....or they'd run to the tabloids right after that to tell everyone what they talked about, etc. etc. And even if he did manage to talk to someone without them freaking out and being all :woohoo: ...it must have been very difficult for him to trust people, especially girls (the damn gold diggers...as he seemed to be thinking! :rolleyes: :lol:)

Anyways...no idea. :scratch:Just my guesses on why it could have been difficult for him to get close to people. Even though I do think there would have been ways to get around it...but maybe part of the "isolation" was to some extend his "orders" (as in...someone called but he didn't feel like taking the call..or didn't want to see someone. And if those people complained he could easily be like "Oh...no one ever told me..." :innocent: :lol:(Sort of like what normal people do too "Oh.. sorry I missed your call...I didn't have my cell phone with me." :innocent: :lol:)). And maybe part of it was his own fears getting the best of him, and he didn't want to do anything out of a fear of getting hurt again? :scratch:




I also think it is silly to think that a woman with money won't be a golddigger any more than one who has little money. Some people who have lots of money only want more. They have that greed that makes them never satisfied. On the other side, there are plenty of people who aren't rich because they never placed that importance on monetary things. They find richness in things like relationships and family and creativity or something other than material things. These people are more likely to be victim of golddiggers than to be one themselves. Same can be said for fame. Some people who are famous themselves might want to use someone more famous for their own gain. My point is, not everyone wants fame, and not everyone is after money, so just because someone has fame or money doesn't mean they won't want more than they already have, also just because someone doesn't have it, doesn't mean they will be after it (in fact I would think the opposite might be true). Just wanted to add those thoughts because it never made sense to me when I read that he thought he could only be with someone who was rich and famous because then they automatically won't be after his fame or money, or someone who knew nothing about him.

I know. That whole gold digger thing was a bit...much. :lol: :lol: Like "Thanks Mike! How sweet of you! Just because I wasn't born into a rich family and chose to become a nurse and HELP people (which doesn't make one a millionaire), instead of becoming a stock broker on Wall Street or an acctress, etc. (and possibly becoming rich)...I'm a gold digger in your opinion". :rolleyes: :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, I do get what he was trying to say, I think...but I also do think that he didn't see the "other side" of rich and famous people either. I mean, I am sure he had to deal with enough REAL gold diggers during his life, so I can understand why he'd think that way and be very careful...But on the other hand I think he failed to see what problems being with someone famous would have brought. I mean, yeah, maybe he could have been with some famous artist, or acctress or whatever...but did he really think they would give up THEIR career to be with him? I mean, other wise she would have had her people telling what SHE needs to do...she had her image to take care of, she needed to go promote her stuff...and maybe she had her house, etc. that she wanted to kep and live in, etc.? I'm not saying it couldn't work...I'm just saying that yeah, maybe she had her money...but it didn't necessarily mean it would have been easier or woudl have worked out better than with someone who was not famous. I mean...there is always the possibility of a pre-nuptial too, right? If you're scared someone is only after your money? But I don't know...maybe he just felt that only someone who was famous and in "that world" could truly understand him? That's possible? :scratch:

[Ashtanga]

Yeah, in a way I can't understand that either...but then again I can. (If that makes any sense? :doh: :lol:). I mean, in a way you'd think "Well, how hard is it to pick up the phone and call someone?!" :doh: I mean, he did have access to a phone, I'm sure, and I doubt anyone prevented him from using it. So you know, that's at least ONE way to contact someone and stay in contact. And I can't see someone preventing him to have friends come over to his house either, really. I mean, someone can try...but wouldn't it come out pretty soon if they did do so against MJ's wishes and without him knowing? I mean, let's say he calls someone and invites them over on a particular day at a particular time. Then that person goes over...and (let's say) security doesn't let that person in. If you were that person, wouldn't you call him and say "Hey what's up? They don't let me in? Can you come down, or talk to them?". Or if they tell you "Michael changed his plans, he's not at home", etc....wouldn't you still call him or at least mention that the next time you talk to him...or text him or whatever and say something like "Sorry we couldn't hang out after all", etc. I mean, if you do talk on the phone, and have contact, I don't see how you can't see each other. I mean, people can of course try to sabotage it and play mind games and start some "she said/ he said" thing...but don't you think anyone would catch on what is going on if everytime a certain person was supposed to come over, she was sent away with some excuse, or MJ was told some excuse, and then every time you talk you realize it was the same security? Wouldn't you change your security then? :scratch: I mean, at least that's what I'd do. But then again, I'm not a celebrity and don't know how communication in "that world" works, so maybe it's not as easy as we all make it to be? The only thing I have noticed about MJ being "controlled" in a way by security is when he is out and about though....Often it looks like he'd want to go greet all the fans, but his security seems to prevent it...or he turns around and it looks liek he wants to go one direction, but his people block his way and usher him to another direction, so he has to go that way. So that's the only thing I could think of why it would be difficult for him to physically get in contact....because sometimes his people literally block his way, and he also has to listen to his security to be safe. And that's because he is MICHAEL JACKSON. It's all because of his fame. Then again, he could easily meet someone in his home or in his hotel, without anyone knowing or disturbing them...don't you think? I mean, even with just fans...he used to always invite fans to his room to meet him or would send his bodyguards down to get stuff from fans or to bring certain fans that he himself had picked to go meet him. So he did have a way to get in physical contact that way too. Not that easy...but it was possible. In London in March he didn't invite any fans to meet him actually. The whole athmosphere was a bit "weird" to be honest...totally different from what I had been used to before. We didn't even know where his windows were until after the press conference. :mello: It sort of felt like he just wanted to do the public stuff when he absolutely HAD to and wanted to be left alone and have his privacy other wise. I can remember how I was thinking (and I said it out loud as well at his hotel) that maybe he was tired of the "fan stuff" and fans being loud and all that and maybe he just wanted to spend time with his family and then when he was on stage, fans could see him. The people from the hotel told us MJ was sleeping in a sound proof room and didn't have windows to the street. That was the day before the press conference. Then after the press conference we still didn't know where his windows were. After a while this one fan came to stand in front of us all and said "I've been told exclusively where MJ's windows are! You don't have to believe me...but I've been told they are at the other side...so anyone who wants to see him, should go there!" So we all went there and I think within 5-10 minutes MJ was waving to the fans and BEAMING. Anyways, I can remember that so clearly because I was actually about to leave the hotel like only 10 minutes before that because I was freezing and it felt like we weren't really welcome there. Then this one other fan who had to leave was like "No...stay a little while..maybe you'll miss something if you leave now!" So I was like..."I doubt it...but okay..I guess I could hang around for maybe another half an hour to an hour...but then I'll leave." I am SO GLAD she told me to stay...because I would have missed seeing MJ at the window!! Anyways, I just remember all that because the "vibe" was a bit weird and a little "unwelcoming" at first in my opinion. I was thinking "I wondr why MJ doesn't wanna see the fans? Maybe he's tired of it all and wants to be left alone?". Anyways...not sure what my point is...but I guess in a way someone could "control" the situation if they wanted to. I mean, what if someone wanted MJ to think he has no fans left or that the fans don't care about him...and MJ looked out the window and saw there are no fans and thought "OMG, it's true!!! The fans have totally abandoned me!! There isn't a soul out there!" :boohoo: (Because we all were standing at the BACK of the hotel...bcause we didn't know where his windows were). Then on the other hand, I guess MJ could control it too if he indeed wanted to be left alone. :scratch:Anyways, I guess the point is that ther maybe were ways other people could prevent him from getting in contact with someone...but then on th other hand I think there were ways MJ could have used to get around it all. :scratch: :lol: Heck if I know...:lol:

As to "other ways" why it could have been hard for him to "get in contact"...I guess maybe his name and status could have been one reason. You know, not so easy for him to just walk up to someone and start chatting like a normal person would. Because the other person would probably be freaking out like :woohoo: "OMG!!! THAT'S MICHAEL JACKSON!!", or they'd be like :stretcher Or they's immediately start asking him for his autograph or to get their picture taken with him or they'd start telling him how much they love his music....or they'd run to the tabloids right after that to tell everyone what they talked about, etc. etc. And even if he did manage to talk to someone without them freaking out and being all :woohoo: ...it must have been very difficult for him to trust people, especially girls (the damn gold diggers...as he seemed to be thinking! :rolleyes: :lol:)

Anyways...no idea. :scratch:Just my guesses on why it could have been difficult for him to get close to people. Even though I do think there would have been ways to get around it...but maybe part of the "isolation" was to some extend his "orders" (as in...someone called but he didn't feel like taking the call..or didn't want to see someone. And if those people complained he could easily be like "Oh...no one ever told me..." :innocent: :lol:(Sort of like what normal people do too "Oh.. sorry I missed your call...I didn't have my cell phone with me." :innocent: :lol:)). And maybe part of it was his own fears getting the best of him, and he didn't want to do anything out of a fear of getting hurt again? :scratch:
:wild:

:clapping:

Summer, I agree with everything you said. :yes: Congratulations for your post. :D

[summer]

By the way something funny just hit me. :lol: :lol: Made me laugh out loud. :lol: Did you watch the Oprah interview and hear how Kenny said that Michael called him and said "We need fireflies! Fireflies, Kenny!". :lol: :lol: What did he need fireflies for? Because they...."glow in the dark"? :wild: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Sorry..I had to! :toofunny:

[Ape]

Which brings us back to the song.

To put myself in her shoes, it would be insulting to have him think she was after his money when it's just about love. If that was the reason for not seeing her and the reason they weren't together was trust issues, how hurtful would that be to be questioned like that? When she would probably know it couldn't be further from the truth, and he should even see it through her actions or whatever, if there is love.

She would have to put herself in his place to see that it would take time to trust even someone who felt like they could be the one (for both of them). Still, if they had a relationship where trust should be involved, and he didn't trust her or thought she could be after fame or money or was just a game, imagine how hurtful that would be for her. She'd be hurt, angry, heartbroken, all at once to know that her love was seen as something so cheap. It would feel terrible.

..and then in the song... he asks for understanding. Probably for this very reason. Which she probably gave him, but she would have to continue giving him understanding, and he would have to give her some understanding as well if there were times when she just couldn't understand. When it would get to be too much. I would imagine at times it would become too much to understand, but that's where love comes in. If they truly love each other, they'd get past it and then feel like idiots for questioning each other I guess.

So, I think this could be the reason for them not being together, which is all explained in the song (IF .. all the disclaimers.. If the song was something he wished to put out at this time, if the concerts were named with this meaning in mind, if there really is someone in the dark or light or anywhere for him, if it is not just a game and is real and real love, then maybe all this would be factors involved in explaining it all.)

Amor omnia vincit... I hear

[Ashtanga]

Just to illustrate this discussion:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5240/ogaaaimiii4tcxe9nliafdv.jpg

Can anyone resist? I can not resist... :wub::wub::wub:



The other day I posted a sonnet of my favorite Brazilian poet: Vinicius de Moraes. Here's another sonnet that I love and whom everything to do with this discussion and with Michael Jackson. :wub:

For Michael:


Sonnet Loyalty

All, my love will be aware
Before, and with such zeal, and always, and both
That even in the face of greater charm
His charm was more my thinking.

I live it every time they
And in honor I will spread my song
And laugh my laughter and shed my tears
In his grief and his joy.

And so, when I later look
Perhaps the death agony of those who live
Who knows the loneliness, to those who love

I could tell me of love (I had):
That is not immortal, since it is called
But that is infinite while it lasts.

Vinicius de Moraes


:wub::wub::wub:

[SoS]

See Summer, this is exactly what I love about you. I had to stop reading just to comment on this ... :giggle:


Yeah, in a way I can't understand that either...but then again I can. (If that makes any sense? :doh: :lol:). :lol:

:yes: you have a way of articulating the intracacies of how the mind can work sometimes ... and yes it makes perfect sense to me. That, I feel, is what keeps us all here, trying to figure it out along with the music. :lmao: you seriously crakk me up Girl.

The rest of your post sparked a thought that made me laugh a long time too. And that is ...

... so maybe she could have simply gone to Security and said with the uttermost earnestness,

"Michael sent me some messages in his music, well I'm almost a hundred percent sure anyway, so would you just let him know that I'm here"

Security: OK, what's your name?

Lady: (she tells him)

Security: So, you're saying Michael made a song called ... (her name)?

Lady: Well, not actually. See um ... we crossed eachothers' path in this really odd way about twenty some years ago and I figured he'd forgotten me until I heard certain songs, for instance this one song"

Security: What does the song say that made you know he was talking to you?

Lady: Well, one of them was You Are Not Alone. Do you know the part at the end where he shouts, "you and me! together! together!!!" :yes: yeh that part

(...as she goes on and on ... he nods to other Security guy who leaves)

Security: Oh ok, I understand, hold on a sec, (as he picks up the phone finger unnoticeably on the hang up button) as he says, "yes there's a lady here who says ...

And within minutes there's a squad car in the driveway :giggle:

oh and Summer this crakked me up too


By the way something funny just hit me. :lol: :lol: Made me laugh out loud. :lol: Did you watch the Oprah interview and hear how Kenny said that Michael called him and said "We need fireflies! Fireflies, Kenny!". :lol: :lol: What did he need fireflies for? Because they...."glow in the dark"? :wild: all I can say is WOW :wub: really makes you feel he was reading this thread


ok, that was the thought, going back to reading now.





:eat:

[SoS]

Ash this is the same assumption I'm using to say she did not see him even though he saw her. Because NO, she would absolutely NOT have even tried to resist. All those songs about resisting would have never been made. That's jmho and until something else adds up, I'm sticking to it. :)

WOW @ Ape and Moddie's posts!

[Ape]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/Angelcdp/image001.gifKitty says she's tired, and wants to know if Michael could just please esplain it all to her while he tucks her in.

[Moddie777]

Hey Ape?

You have the million dollar question about the forces keeping them apart, why and so on.

Though my recent post didn't indicate it, I do believe Michael and his lady love had "some" interaction, time together and contact, but limited, according to his own clues through the years, if we are to believe in the theory of this thread.

When distance and time stood between them, they may have resorted in other unique ways
to communicate.

[Sdeidjs]

True. Im sure
mike had 2 deal with plenty of gold diggers in his life!

:punk:

I wholeheartedly agree...not just with woman but all across the board..!

Most not all see $$$ signs...that in it self would have a great impact on how one would be able to ever trust another.

If we truly THINK about it...one in Mr.Jackson's shoes would ask themselves...Does this person truly love me for me or are they just saying this because I am rich and famous..?

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[cleopatra1975]

hmm ladies... why wouldnt i have contact with someone i love? maybe she got a boyfriend or a husband already?and this is the shady man and of course all the ppl around him too. maybe she already died? maybe he wanted her safe from all those paparazzis? maybe we can come to a conclusion if we think we are michael jackson. why would i send messages especially on the internet? maybe he read at this place something or noticed that she is also here? i dont know..it could be it could be not..so more i think so more i come to a conclusion that he knew she was on the internet searching for him somehow..cause for me it does not make any sense.what do you think all ?
btw when i read in this page sometimes i laugh, sometimes i get sad, sometimes just want to know what you all think..its better than any book to read in here. You all are absolutely wonderfull persons. Just wanted to say.huggs to all

[SoS]

^ I was just about to shut it down when I saw these thoughts. It makes perfect sense to me except I don't feel she died because MJ seems to have somehow kept track of "her" through the years, came around etc. and he would have known, I don't think she has a man because none of the songs say very much about "he", "him" etc. except maybe Serious Effect which makes me think someone was around "her" at the time who MJ was aware of, it just sounds like that to me, but interesting thoughts. Gotta fly.

All, have fun!

[Sdeidjs]

This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know yes for sure it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of the world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it here before

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of the world, this is real
Feel my song, we can say
And I tell you I feel that way

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
And I know that it’s really cool myself

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon baby, just understand

*************************


Michael was very much in love before he left, and he's showing that he spent quite a bit of time listening to the words of the one he was in love with. Notice the lines where he's saying, "you said...you say...you tell me...you said to me..." this all shows he was talking to her, listening to her and getting to know her. How else could her feel like he's known her for a thousand years?

In "The Way You Love Me" he also mentioned something that she said to him. There is the line where
he says, "You told me you love me."

And about the way that he's using the number 1,000 in "This Is It." He did the same thing in "You Are So Beautiful." In this song
he said, "You are so beautiful to me. Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go. I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)...."

Quite often in the past, he said no one understood him. In "This Is It," he
doesn't seem to
feel that way anymore.
He said how long it feels like he's been knowing her and how she said she knows him too. Notice that he's not saying anything in the song to make it seem like he doesn't feel it's true.

Everything in "This Is It"
reveals he was content with her. And once again he's not saying anything about money, what he'll give her or where he'll take her.
He's only
pleasantly singing about how he feels.

This is very refreshing. It was a long time coming and it happened just in time. Actually, in "The Way You Love Me" he said she came in time.


Thank God for that. Michael was in love before he left. He's been singing about his love for her since "One More Chance." He's been singing to her since "One More Chance." He was saying, "I can't stop loving you" at the end of it. In "Beautiful Girl" he was saying, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you?" In "This Is It" he said "Feel my song." Can't get any clearer than that.


Michael the balladeer
was consistently serenading the one that he had fallen in love with and his words are very clear...very loving...very affectionate.
:wub:

:punk:

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[Ape]

That could be Moddie. Though it still doesn't explain why only for a short time would they be together and not for ALL time. Then again,I don't have to hear all the answers just because I'm curious. :-)

Nor does little fluffy fufu here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v167/Angelcdp/image001.gif (in case anyone missed this little sweetie)

[summer]

See Summer, this is exactly what I love about you. I had to stop reading just to comment on this ... :giggle:

:lol:

:yes: you have a way of articulating the intracacies of how the mind can work sometimes ... and yes it makes perfect sense to me. That, I feel, is what keeps us all here, trying to figure it out along with the music. :lmao: you seriously crakk me up Girl.

The rest of your post sparked a thought that made me laugh a long time too. And that is ...

... so maybe she could have simply gone to Security and said with the uttermost earnestness,

"Michael sent me some messages in his music, well I'm almost a hundred percent sure anyway, so would you just let him know that I'm here"

Security: OK, what's your name?

Lady: (she tells him)

Security: So, you're saying Michael made a song called ... (her name)?

Lady: Well, not actually. See um ... we crossed eachothers' path in this really odd way about twenty some years ago and I figured he'd forgotten me until I heard certain songs, for instance this one song"

Security: What does the song say that made you know he was talking to you?

Lady: Well, one of them was You Are Not Alone. Do you know the part at the end where he shouts, "you and me! together! together!!!" :yes: yeh that part

(...as she goes on and on ... he nods to other Security guy who leaves)

Security: Oh ok, I understand, hold on a sec, (as he picks up the phone finger unnoticeably on the hang up button) as he says, "yes there's a lady here who says ...

And within minutes there's a squad car in the driveway :giggle:

oh and Summer this crakked me up too

all I can say is WOW :wub: really makes you feel he was reading this thread


ok, that was the thought, going back to reading now.





:eat:


:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh: at the "girl walking up to security". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That cracked me up! :lol: :lol: I would love to see their faces if someone did that! :lol: :lol: :lol: (Then again, I am sure there were plenty of THAT kind too who were trying to get in to get to their "husband, Michael". :doh: :toofunny: :toofunny: ) That "you are not alone" part had me CRACKING UP!!! :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: "You know...that end part where he shouts 'you and me! together! together!' yeah that part"...I was CRYING with laughter at that!!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: TOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY!!!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical:

And the fireflies bit just cracked me up because it reminded me of the time we were joking about the glow in the dark stuff. :lol: I was on my bed, relaxing, and I happened to think of what Kenny said about the fireflies, and then I was thinking "I wonder why MJ wanted fireflies...? What was he gonna use them for? What kind of idea did he have for them?"...and as I was trying to figure it out, I remembered that fireflies glow in the dark...and it reminded me of this thread and our glow in the dark conversation and it cracked me up. :toofunny: :toofunny: I mean, I know MJ had some fabulous idea behind his fireflies, but the thought of him coming here and reading the thread and our "glow in the dark discussion" and then jumping up all of the sudden and throwing his hand up in the air in excitement and going "THAT'S IT!!!!!! :wild: GLOW IN THE DARK STUFF!!!! :clapping: FIREFLIES!!!! :clapping: I GOTTA CALL KENNY!!! :sarmoti:" *calls Kenny at 3 a.m. "KENNY GET FIREFLIES FOR THE SHOW!!!" :clapping: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: I mean, it cracks me up because of the IMAGE I get when I think about it. The IDEA is too funny! :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[Sdeidjs]

Someone who understands those types of relationships wrote this song ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cHZQNWp9yI a little comic relief in here too ..


as for forever ... who knows ...
how long is too long ... is that
love? :P

edit: I feel to add the disclaimer that says, who in this thread really knows what Michael needs in that way (except Michael of course). Most in here are just going by the music and we all see that differently.


That to me
is the beauty of this thread. At the same time, if what you're saying is true,
there's nothing saying he didn't get his physical needs met, with or without "her" in his life and of course, nobody KNOWS that either and
whomever, if anyone,
met those needs it does not seem to be the subject of his music. Thus, the point of this thread and the points brought out about the songs.

:punk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmuF3jiufww

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[Sdeidjs]

I'm not really seeing where its, "either" / "or" :unsure:


there are just too many ways things can be

and he did say, "This Is It" :unsure: so who knows what his plans were


:punk:

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[Sdeidjs]

:scratch:I think I was not so clear and I should have specified...

I have not mentioned and did not think about sex. lol! -_- This is an important ingredient, but is not essential and is the basis for a relationship, other ingredients are more important and fundamental and should be in first place in a relationship. Sex is only one answer of true love that one feels for others and is only a supplement. What I meant by "physical contact" is to be together, to live the moments, share all things good and bad with each other, sharing life together, a look, a touch, a smile, conversations, the presence of a and so many other things... So, for me, this "absence" love cools, cools the relationship and is very, very, very difficult for the distance relationship work.

That's what I meant... :)




That's what I say all the time... -_-

What were the plans of Michael?

What exactly he wanted in life?

Nobody knows, only he knows. -_-

Nobody knows what went on in Michael's head, much less what were their thoughts, no one lived with it, no one was with him 24 hours a day... so I say, I say and I will always say it is impossible to be 100% sure that something is very, very, very far from our eyes that no one knows the true reality. What is true is to discuss what may or could have happened, speculating and nothing more. This is where the imagination and fly away with what everyone would like that had happened in Michael's life. In the imagination
everything is possible and create in our minds a perfect life for
Michael with a genuine love. A life for him no pain, no bad people, without obstacles, without danger and away from anything bad that a lot and
love him unconditionally. But the
reality is far from perfect and we know that Michael's life was never easy and always has been very difficult. For those who are outside the realm of Michael is easy to see only perfection and good things, but the only Michael and no one knows the true reality of it is that he felt that all the skin and not us. :)






*Popescu, welcome and thanks for the video! (I love your username) :)


*Tha, I fully agree with what you said:

"Michael could have a relationship, any relationship with someone at a distance (as we fans, for example), but the love that he needs, the real love that is missing in his life, can't be lived at a distance, this love will not survive!
Michael is a grown man! He doesn't want an adventure, he wants a real relationship, a real love, a love for all life!" :)

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[Sdeidjs]

*That's funny Popescu! I always thought MJ's songs were about Miss Ross!

Anyway, I just wanted to say: ash and tha, I liked your posts. You brought up many valid points. I think it would be difficult to have just a "spiritual" relationship with a person, from a distance, forever, since humans are comprised of a soul and a body and the flesh needs the flesh, as you have stated. And yes, one or even both of them, may have been tempted to find someone else to fulfill their needs or ... even give up on their "unique" relationship altogether. However, I feel that
even when two people can't be together "physically," that doesn't stop the love that they have for each other.

And, while I feel that it's
God's intention to bring two people together "physically," the process can sometimes be slowed down by various things. The people involved could be trying to get ahead of God in their impatience, which would slow things down. They could be making mistakes. That would definitely slow down the process because then God would have to spend time helping them undo their mistakes. It could also be a long process simply because God has to take time to do some things in one or, more than likely, both of the people, or their situation. And sometimes things just take the time they take. For instance, when a couple is going to have a baby, it will take them 9 months to realize this dream. They could do everything perfectly, but it will still take them 9 months, simply because that is how long it takes.

Something else that
people don't realize is that when dealing with the spirit world, there is goodness and light, but there is also darkness and evil. And, as we all know, Michael was/is a very special person, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be spending time writing about him on this board. I don't think people realize
how much opposition Michael has really had to endure because of that darkness. We have seen him lose almost everything because of it, if it had not been for the grace of God. If it has been this way in his life with everything else, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to believe that he would experience the same opposition when it came to his "someone in the dark" (if she exists). I don't think the same forces who were against him in other areas of his life would exactly be willing to roll out the red carpet for him and "her."

Everything came hard for Michael and I don't think love was any exception. "Love is a battlefield" could have been his motto. However, just because of the battles, it doesn't mean the love story is necessarily over. Perhaps
God had to do something very unique to finally bring them together. Perhaps it has to happen in the next life, or perhaps the faith they have in each other and their love could bring about an incredible miracle. We really don't know how it will play out in the end. But, as I had stated before, God's delay is not necessarily denial.
It may have taken a long time, perhaps a very long time, but they may have somehow found a way, with God's help, to overcome all of their battles. Maybe that is what he meant when he sang, "This Is It"! And, aren't
things sweeter when you've had to wait for them a long time?:yes:

:punk:Impressive

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[summer]

hmm ladies... why wouldnt i have contact with someone i love? maybe she got a boyfriend or a husband already?and this is the shady man and of course all the ppl around him too. maybe she already died? maybe he wanted her safe from all those paparazzis? maybe we can come to a conclusion if we think we are michael jackson. why would i send messages especially on the internet? maybe he read at this place something or noticed that she is also here? i dont know..it could be it could be not..so more i think so more i come to a conclusion that he knew she was on the internet searching for him somehow..cause for me it does not make any sense.what do you think all ?
btw when i read in this page sometimes i laugh, sometimes i get sad, sometimes just want to know what you all think..its better than any book to read in here. You all are absolutely wonderfull persons. Just wanted to say.huggs to all


Yeah, that's the part I don't really get either. :scratch: :lol: I mean, if he liked her, why didn't he contact her and make a move? Or maybe he didn't know her phone number or contact info...? Maybe she was some pretty sales person in a Disney store (or something..:lol:) that he saw and briefly talked to and liked..and then when he went there again some other time..she wasn't there. And then the next time, she was there again and they talked again, and he liked her more, but was too shy to ask for her phone number, etc. and then when he went there again, she wasn't there...and not during the next time...nor the next....etc. But then after a while she was there again...but maybe it was too chaotic to get close and talk or whatever...and maybe he then had to travel, so he wasn't around...and it went on like that? :lol: There could be lots of possiblities actually. :scratch:

Actually that just reminded something that happened to me...that kind of relates to that. When I was a student, there was this one guy who was kind of cute and very nice. His friend was in a couple of the same classes as I was and we'd sometimes say hi and talk briefly. So that's how I got to know that other guy, because he'd sometimes be with that friend of his, when I'd say hi. So then we started saying hi if we saw each other because we recognized each other. And then sometimes stopped to talk and say hi. I knew he was a couple of years older than I was and I knew what his first name was...but that was all. But we'd say hi and stuff and then when ever he'd see me he'd be like "Hey pretty lady, how are you doing?!". He'd always call me "pretty lady"...which I actually liked, because he also said it in a classy way...not the "hey baby" way...not the "sleazy" way. So I liked him because he seemed nice and polite and like a nice person. Then one day when we saw each other at the uni he was like "Hey you wanna go have a cup of coffee with me?". And what did I do...? I was like "Uhm....nnnoooo thanks....". And then he was like "oh..okay..." and then he left. And I never saw him again. And the whole thing pretty much happened because I was EXTREMELY shy...and didn't know what to say. :doh: And what I DID say...came out totally wrong! :doh: :lol: I was hesitating because I kind of "freaked out" because a GUY was asking me to go have coffee with him...I wasn't hesitating because I didn't wanna go. :doh: And he asked me if I wanna go get a cup of COFFEE....and I don't drink coffee...I hate coffee....so that's why I said "no thanks". :doh::doh::doh: :lol: :lol: But I didn't really mean, I wouldn't wanna go anywhere with him. :doh: :lol: Had he added "Well a bottle of soda then?"...it maybe would have worked out. :lol: Yeah, he probably didn't think he'd need to be THAT specific. :lol: But you know...I kind of took it he meant literally "a cup of coffee"...I didn't think he might be asking me out. :doh: :lol: Anyways, so of course later on it dawned on me what a stupid idiot I had been, so I kept hoping to see him again, so that I could ask him if he'd still wanna go have a cup of SOMETHING (coffee/tea/soda/:lol:) with me. Because I did like him and did wanna get to know him better. But I never saw him again. Neither his friend. And since I only knew his first name, and not his last name, I couldn't search for his e-mail addy on the uni e-mail and that way had no way of contacting him. So that was the end of it. But I've often thought about him and about the "what if's".

So you know, it's possible something like that could have happened to MJ too? That he found someone he liked...and then for whatever reason...he just didn't have a way of contacting her but kept thinking about her anyhow? :scratch:It's possible. :scratch:

[Lorraine]

Yeah, that's the part I don't really get either. :scratch: :lol: I mean, if he liked her, why didn't he contact her and make a move? Or maybe he didn't know her phone number or contact info...? Maybe she was some pretty sales person in a Disney store (or something..:lol:) that he saw and briefly talked to and liked..and then when he went there again some other time..she wasn't there. And then the next time, she was there again and they talked again, and he liked her more, but was too shy to ask for her phone number, etc. and then when he went there again, she wasn't there...and not during the next time...nor the next....etc. But then after a while she was there again...but maybe it was too chaotic to get close and talk or whatever...and maybe he then had to travel, so he wasn't around...and it went on like that? :lol: There could be lots of possiblities actually. :scratch:

Actually that just reminded something that happened to me...that kind of relates to that. When I was a student, there was this one guy who was kind of cute and very nice. His friend was in a couple of the same classes as I was and we'd sometimes say hi and talk briefly. So that's how I got to know that other guy, because he'd sometimes be with that friend of his, when I'd say hi. So then we started saying hi if we saw each other because we recognized each other. And then sometimes stopped to talk and say hi. I knew he was a couple of years older than I was and I knew what his first name was...but that was all. But we'd say hi and stuff and then when ever he'd see me he'd be like "Hey pretty lady, how are you doing?!". He'd always call me "pretty lady"...which I actually liked, because he also said it in a classy way...not the "hey baby" way...not the "sleazy" way. So I liked him because he seemed nice and polite and like a nice person. Then one day when we saw each other at the uni he was like "Hey you wanna go have a cup of coffee with me?". And what did I do...? I was like "Uhm....nnnoooo thanks....". And then he was like "oh..okay..." and then he left. And I never saw him again. And the whole thing pretty much happened because I was EXTREMELY shy...and didn't know what to say. :doh: And what I DID say...came out totally wrong! :doh: :lol: I was hesitating because I kind of "freaked out" because a GUY was asking me to go have coffee with him...I wasn't hesitating because I didn't wanna go. :doh: And he asked me if I wanna go get a cup of COFFEE....and I don't drink coffee...I hate coffee....so that's why I said "no thanks". :doh::doh::doh: :lol: :lol: But I didn't really mean, I wouldn't wanna go anywhere with him. :doh: :lol: Had he added "Well a bottle of soda then?"...it maybe would have worked out. :lol: Yeah, he probably didn't think he'd need to be THAT specific. :lol: But you know...I kind of took it he meant literally "a cup of coffee"...I didn't think he might be asking me out. :doh: :lol: Anyways, so of course later on it dawned on me what a stupid idiot I had been, so I kept hoping to see him again, so that I could ask him if he'd still wanna go have a cup of SOMETHING (coffee/tea/soda/:lol:) with me. Because I did like him and did wanna get to know him better. But I never saw him again. Neither his friend. And since I only knew his first name, and not his last name, I couldn't search for his e-mail addy on the uni e-mail and that way had no way of contacting him. So that was the end of it. But I've often thought about him and about the "what if's".



Awwwwwww Summer. :lol: That story is just so darn cute! :heart: hehe!
I was literally saying awwww the whole time whilst reading it. LOL!

[Sdeidjs]

I have a question. I don't know if anyone could ever answer it but why couldn't he be with someone he loved? What forces would keep them apart? Also Justus said that because of his identity it prevented him from becoming close enough to those he loved other than his children. Why? I am maybe unable to see that side of things because I'm not in his shoes. I don't understand why, if he wanted to, couldn't Michael Jackson go visit or be with someone he wanted to. Is it because of the media or something else? Wouldn't there be ways for him to spend time in person with someone he wanted to?

I'm sure I've asked this question before in here now that I've written it down again but I still wonder.

I also think it is silly to think that a woman with money won't be a golddigger any more than one who has little money. Some people who have lots of money only want more. They have that greed that makes them never satisfied. On the other side,
there are plenty of people who aren't rich because they never placed that importance on monetary things. They find richness in things like relationships and family and creativity or something other than material things.
These people are more likely to be victim of golddiggers than to be one themselves. Same can be said for fame. Some people who are famous themselves might want to use someone more famous for their own gain. My point is,
not everyone wants fame, and not everyone is after money, so just because someone has fame or money doesn't mean they won't want more than they already have,
also just because someone doesn't have it, doesn't mean they will be after it (in fact I would think the opposite might be true). Just wanted to add those thoughts because it never made sense to me when I read that he thought he could only be with someone who was rich and famous because then they automatically won't be after his fame or money, or someone who knew nothing about him.

:punk:Excellent post A...I Wholeheartedly Agree

Many Many moons ago...By personal experience I lived a very comfortable life....had money, nice cars, nice home in a posh neighborhood, cloths, jewlery, hobbed knobbed with doctors, lawyers, theirs wives, medical society, and very involved in community organizations that focused on children and the handicapped...etc.... etc... etc...

For many, they thrive on materialistic possessions/status...many were ugly, self absorbed, stuck up, ignorant, judgemental people that I really didn't want to be around...

Life is so very precious and way too short...I was just existing not LIVING my life to the fullest potential...so one day...I packed my bags, had $70.00 in my pocket and my baby boy and I walked away...

Although my journey has not been without bumps in the road...I am happy to report...It was and still is to this day the best decision I ever made in my life..!

Moral of this true to life story...Money and or things cannot and will not ever give you true love, happiness, loyalty, best friendship (s), or trustworthyness..!

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[summer]

Awwwwwww Summer. :lol: That story is just so darn cute! :heart: hehe!
I was literally saying awwww the whole time whilst reading it. LOL!

Thanks. :lol: I just wish it was a cute story with a HAPPY ending...instead of a story fit for a COMEDY show. :doh: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm a hopeless case when it comes to guys, I guess. :lol: A guy would probably need to hold a banner in front of me that spells out EXACTLY what he means, for me to get it. :scratch::doh: :lol: :lol:

[Love.him]

This is the first time I've seen a dream analysis including use of the internet, ver interesting and makes me wonder how interpretations of today's technology is interpreted by people who usually interpret dreams. I used to have a little book with symbols used to interpret dreams a long time ago.

Just wanted to say I really enjoyed this, as well as many other posts some that make me laugh, some that are just beautiful :) Fireflies & glow in the dark discussion :lol:


*Waves at AllforMJ!* :D I saw your posts a ways back. Good ones.

MP! Thanks for hearing that one line so well! I agree, that IS what he's saying there: And I tell you, please, let it play. I could not pick up on that "please" but there it was all along. :clapping: And this is cute...you have them singing the song together: Feel my song, we can sing it. But um, wait... what if she can't carry a tune? Instant trouble in Paradise? Maybe you should consider this possibility Ash... if they had gotten together this would have been revealed, and well, things could have ended up on shaky ground pretty fast. It was perhaps a very good thing they kept...their...distance.

SoS, your one giggly too many towards becoming dead meat. And...



This brings me to my original interpretation, that I never got around to sharing, of a dream of Moddie's which she posted some weeks back. Now might be the better timing to post it. If you remember, I had said that somethings that Trish and Justus had posted made me feel that perhaps I was seeing things correctly regarding this dream. Trish in a thread had reassured us members that MJ was very computer aware and had definitely visited MJJC. Justus told us that MJ read our thread here and had a fondness for it. So this made me think that it could be possible that MJ did talk with his LITD friend somewhere on the internet.

Here's that dream, with my interpretations in red.


And there ya are. Sorry it took me so long to post my thoughts on that dream but maybe timing was important. Maybe MJ and his lady friend had some real good times together playing online and it made him smile. It probably made her real happy as well.

[Lorraine]

Every time I see something about Michael talking to fans online
Or like now this talk of him having his LITD women online I always think of this..........



WARNING!

Michael Jackson and his children do NOT ever communicate via computer. If you are communicating with someone on the internet that claims to be Michael Jackson or one of his children, you are being deceived.

When in doubt, please ask sitemanager@mjjsource.com (sitemanager@mjjsource.com).

Unfortunately, this is an issue that arises quite often. MJJsource URGES YOU TO BE CAREFUL AND AWARE. There are certain individuals that use the anonymity afforded them by the internet to disguise themselves as Michael Jackson and abuse the trust of innocent fans. This is an issue that Michael's Team takes very seriously as the safety of unsuspecting fans is at risk.

If you are aware of anyone that is taking part in this type of malicious deception, please email legal@mjjsource.com (legal@mjjsource.com).

Please do not give out your personal phone numbers or address to anyone online that you do not know and trust personally.

Michael Jackson & MJJsource care about you and your safety!

Please Note:
If you or someone you know is impersonating Michael Jackson or one of his children on the internet via email, instant messaging, chatroom, etc,. please be aware that this is a crime that MJJsource and the authorities take very seriously. Mr. Jackson's legal team will investigate all identity theft matters and the offending individual(s) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

____

Yes he did visit here, as Trish has said.
But is that very unusal for an artist to visit their own fan sites?
I don't think so. I know I would wanna have a sneaky look at mine if it were me and see what was written. :lol:

Trish was owner of the board and did have contact with Michael,
What connection did Justus have to know he liked this thread? :unsure:
Was it from Michael? Most likely not. Or from someone they thought was Michael? Quite possibly. :wink:

But I honestly think, They wouldn't go as far as sending that message out.
Also.. Michael must have told them himself to put that message out there for the safety of his fans. Why would he do that if he communicated online with fans or anyone else for that matter.. I think he did with very few but with people like Trish and Paul from ( MJNO ) but they were running his biggest forums...... so?

Little rant over. :sigh:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Sdeidjs]

Every time I see something about Michael talking to fans online
Or like now this talk of him having his LITD women online I always think of this..........



WARNING!

Michael Jackson and his children do NOT ever communicate via computer. If you are communicating with someone on the internet that claims to be Michael Jackson or one of his children, you are being deceived.

When in doubt, please ask sitemanager@mjjsource.com (sitemanager@mjjsource.com).

Unfortunately, this is an issue that arises quite often. MJJsource URGES YOU TO BE CAREFUL AND AWARE. There are certain individuals that use the anonymity afforded them by the internet to disguise themselves as Michael Jackson and abuse the trust of innocent fans. This is an issue that Michael's Team takes very seriously as the safety of unsuspecting fans is at risk.

If you are aware of anyone that is taking part in this type of malicious deception, please email legal@mjjsource.com (legal@mjjsource.com).

Please do not give out your personal phone numbers or address to anyone online that you do not know and trust personally.

Michael Jackson & MJJsource care about you and your safety!

Please Note:
If you or someone you know is impersonating Michael Jackson or one of his children on the internet via email, instant messaging, chatroom, etc,. please be aware that this is a crime that MJJsource and the authorities take very seriously. Mr. Jackson's legal team will investigate all identity theft matters and the offending individual(s) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

____

Yes he did visit here, as Trish has said.
But is that very unusal for an artist to visit their own fan sites?
I don't think so. I know I would wanna have a sneaky look at mine if it were me and see what was written. :lol:

Trish was owner of the board and did have contact with Michael,
What connection did Justus have to know he liked this thread? :unsure:
Was it from Michael? Most likely not. Or from someone they thought was Michael? Quite possibly. :wink:

But I honestly think, They wouldn't go as far as sending that message out Also.. Michael must have told them himself to put that message out there for the safety of his fans. Why would he do that if he communicated online with fans or anyone else for that matter.. I think he did with very few but with people like Trish and Paul from ( MJNO ) but they were running his biggest fan clubs... so?

Little rant over. :sigh:



With no disrespect intended...I don't hold much merit to a few people that were a part of running/corresponding on MJJ Source...so for me...what they had to say/said then and still today is a moot point...and on that note...I will just leave it at that.

However,
A large percent of us utilize the internet...Like so many business entities including but not limited to the music industry, communicate through the internet...whether this correspondance is in an email, on facebook, twitter, myspace, faxes, snail mail, via telephone, and/or fan clubs.

With Keeping That In Mind:
Always remember...it takes all kinds to make the world go round...

It is "important" for each and everyone of us...to be wise enough to decifer what is of reality...and what is not...ALWAYS maintain safty whenever corresponding...one never really knows who is actually on the other side.

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Asedora]

*That's funny Popescu! I always thought MJ's songs were about Miss Ross!

Anyway, I just wanted to say: ash and tha, I liked your posts. You brought up many valid points. I think it would be difficult to have just a "spiritual" relationship with a person, from a distance, forever, since humans are comprised of a soul and a body and the flesh needs the flesh, as you have stated. And yes, one or even both of them, may have been tempted to find someone else to fulfill their needs or ... even give up on their "unique" relationship altogether. However, I feel that even when two people can't be together "physically," that doesn't stop the love that they have for each other.

And, while I feel that it's God's intention to bring two people together "physically," the process can sometimes be slowed down by various things. The people involved could be trying to get ahead of God in their impatience, which would slow things down. They could be making mistakes. That would definitely slow down the process because then God would have to spend time helping them undo their mistakes. It could also be a long process simply because God has to take time to do some things in one or, more than likely, both of the people, or their situation. And sometimes things just take the time they take. For instance, when a couple is going to have a baby, it will take them 9 months to realize this dream. They could do everything perfectly, but it will still take them 9 months, simply because that is how long it takes.

Something else that people don't realize is that when dealing with the spirit world, there is goodness and light, but there is also darkness and evil. And, as we all know, Michael was/is a very special person, otherwise we probably wouldn't even be spending time writing about him on this board. I don't think people realize how much opposition Michael has really had to endure because of that darkness. We have seen him lose almost everything because of it, if it had not been for the grace of God. If it has been this way in his life with everything else, I think it wouldn't be too difficult to believe that he would experience the same opposition when it came to his "someone in the dark" (if she exists). I don't think the same forces who were against him in other areas of his life would exactly be willing to roll out the red carpet for him and "her."

Everything came hard for Michael and I don't think love was any exception. "Love is a battlefield" could have been his motto. However, just because of the battles, it doesn't mean the love story is necessarily over. Perhaps God had to do something very unique to finally bring them together. Perhaps it has to happen in the next life, or perhaps the faith they have in each other and their love could bring about an incredible miracle. We really don't know how it will play out in the end. But, as I had stated before, God's delay is not necessarily denial. It may have taken a long time, perhaps a very long time, but they may have somehow found a way, with God's help, to overcome all of their battles. Maybe that is what he meant when he sang, "This Is It"! And, aren't things sweeter when you've had to wait for them a long time?:yes:

How did you learn to think that deep? It must be something special about you. It was the most amazing post a have ever read here .It is very true that God has his own way to deal with any kind of issues. The only one thing I can say that you are a very spiritual person which is very rare. Thank you.

[Lorraine]

With no disrespect intended...

With no disrespect either. Aren't you one fan that claimed to have an online friendship with Michael? Or phone conversations? or both?
So you won't believe what MJJsource had to say, because you believed it was actually him you were talking with or friends with. As did many fans.
When most likely, even though you will think not, It was more likely to be an impersonator than Michael.

______

Anyways... this thread is going too off topic.. sorry.

Carry on.........

[cleopatra1975]

Lorraine i have to say i never believed that he does not use the internet. but i think its great that they post it on mjno. i m sure it was to prevent his fans from bad experience. we had many impersonators in there. who knows who talked with him for real.
i have talked with soo many ladies in here who said they talked and interacted with him online.almost the same versions and they posted all sorts of stories. i told you that before.must say out loud i dont want to hear it no more. if there is a real lady outthere with these reports michaels love life was impossible.if i would believe in all those reports i would think michael had with anyone in this world a friendship..even in this nice" did mj find love in the dark "section they told their stories about michael.
must say lorraine good that you remembered us about it. cause many still think they spoke with michael. hugggs lorraine

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

How did you learn to think that deep? It must be something special about you. It was the most amazing post a have ever read here .It is very true that God has his own way to deal with any kind of issues. The only one thing I can say that you are a very spiritual person which is very rare. Thank you.

:yes:

[8701girl]

:punk:

I wholeheartedly agree...not just with woman but all across the board..!

Most not all see $$$ signs...that in it self would have a great impact on how one would be able to ever trust another.

If we truly THINK about it...one in Mr.Jackson's shoes would ask themselves...Does this person truly love me for me or are they just saying this because I am rich and famous..?

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

It makes me sad that mike most likely thought that to himself everyday of his life :( The constant questioning of not just woman, but all ppl that came into his life must have put him under alot of stress- and that was stress that michael wished would leave him alone.

[Sdeidjs]

With no disrespect either. Aren't you one fan that claimed to have an online friendship with Michael? Or phone conversations? or both?
So you won't believe what MJJsource had to say, because you believed it was actually him you were talking with or friends with. As did many fans.
When most likely, even though you will think not, It was more likely to be an impersonator than Michael.

______

Anyways... this thread is going too off topic.. sorry.

Carry on.........

Again, with no disrespect intended
When we are young, very nieve and blinded by immaturity and our ignorance...we as individuals doubt our abilities, determination, perseverence, knowledge, and experiences that life tends to throw at us from time to time...

However, as we become older, wiser, more knowledgable, more experienced, and mature into to the person that we are destined to become...we begin to look out side the box and open our eyes to the truth about all of our trials, tribulations, doubts and flustrations that we have experienced thoughout our past and present journey in life...

There IS a big difference what is considered to be a fan and what is considered to be a great admirer. No matter how we look at it...slice it or dice it...The FACT (S) remain NO ONE can ever change the past...

Therefore,
Self taught...I have been corresponding with people from across the globe via snail mail, telephone, faxes, the internet/online services, since her birth...before windows, email, IM, aol, msn, twittter, my space, cell phones, cable, and even before the home computer was ever a household name.

Decades Old...Original copywritten documents will not and can not lie..!

To honor the integrity, values, virtues, and morels of Mr.Jackson and his family...As a prearranged promise...Any and all proceeds from such documents shall be donated to charity - All The Children Of The World Charities and The Dailey Jackson Foundation for the Elderly.

Karma and God tends to have a funny sense of humor from time to time...There is an ancient saying PEOPLE that are self absorbed, self promoting, desire their 15 minutes of fame, claim false induendos, and USE people for their personal gain MONEY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juvn7gykiPo are individuals that continue to be blinded by their own light....

:angel:PSALM 37

Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

Since I'm not in the mood tonight for this dark energy shift and because it is changing the imaginative innocence and fun of the thread at this moment. I'm just going to say one thing and then leave.....

I think the internet is loaded with imposters, stalkers, phonies, self-serving people, etc...and to be quite honest imo evil people that behave like that towards others have some other very serious underlying issues. As for who knows what connection anyone has to anything, what was viewed or said by whom or even whether or not there is validity in what is said here or if MJFLITD online or otherwise? It doesn't matter. This thread is about interpretations and hope, dreaming, love, imagination, believing things in life are possible.....we uplift each other, share thoughts and stories, disagree and agree, it about having fun. People can take from here what they wish, nobody's word is bond and only two people are the all-knowing of the answer to the question asked in this thread, Michael and God. THAT'S all that matters imo.

[8701girl]

S
I think the internet is loaded with imposters, stalkers, phonies, self-serving people, etc...and to be quite honest imo evil people that behave like that towards others have some other very serious underlying issues.


I agree.

[Justus]

ummmmm...

*feels a bit strange to be here right now...*

I'm not getting terribly terrific vibes from here at the moment. Positivity would be nice.

I will say, that yes, exercising caution IS a must, especially on the internet. Just be careful. You guys, I care so much about you, you really have no idea. "Careful what you do, cause the lie becomes the truth". Well, it can go the other way, as well. "Careful or you die, cause the truth becomes a lie". Well, anyway. Shall we get back to LOVE? Because love is so important. Now, more than ever before.

Love, is more than I can give, to you,
Love, is more than just a game for two.
Two in love can make it,
Take my heart but please don't break it,
Love was made for me and you!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

How did you learn to think that deep? It must be something special about you. It was the most amazing post a have ever read here .It is very true that God has his own way to deal with any kind of issues. The only one thing I can say that you are a very spiritual person which is very rare. Thank you.


Aww, thank you so much Asedora! What you wrote really touched my heart!:wub: I believe God can speak through anybody whenever He wants, and I'm honored when He chooses to do it even through little ol' me!

In case I forgot ... Welcome to the Discussion!:flowers:



On a side Note:

As far as MJ having used the internet, I think anything is possible. He may have started out not wanting to interact via internet, but people do change and maybe he decided to break his own rule one day for whatever reason. He has even called people on the phone and surprised them. However, it is true that we must still use wisdom always and realize that there still are many people out there who prey upon innocent people, no doubt, and that's why these general guidelines are good since they are for our own protection. It's also always good to listen to your intuition.:yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Love, is more than I can give, to you,
Love, is more than just a game for two.
Two in love can make it,
Take my heart but please don't break it,
Love was made for me and you!

How sweet!:wub:

[tha]

On a side Note:

As far as MJ having used the internet, I think anything is possible. He may have started out not wanting to interact via internet, but people do change and maybe he decided to break his own rule one day for whatever reason. He has even called people on the phone and surprised them. However, it is true that we must still use wisdom always and realize that there still are many people out there who prey upon innocent people, no doubt, and that's why these general guidelines are good since they are for our own protection. It's also always good to listen to your intuition.:yes:

I think everything is possible when we talk about Michael Jackson! Of course that we shouldn't see hair in eggs....
I think michael should enjoy this virtual life, after all, he can be whoever he wants, let the fame aside to be treated just like a normal person, since most of the time, the people saw him like an untouchable man! ;)
Michael could be any one of us .... he could be "me"! :)

[Ashtanga]

Love, is more than I can give, to you,
Love, is more than just a game for two.
Two in love can make it,
Take my heart but please don't break it,
Love was made for me and you!
:clapping:

Justus, it was you who wrote these verses? You're a great poet! :wild: It was romantic... :wub: I love poetry and thanks for sharing! :D

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Michael could be any one of us .... he could be "me"! :)

:bye:Hi MJ!:lol:

[tha]

:bye:Hi MJ!:lol:

Hi! :P

Don't tell this for anyone...is a secret! :lol:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hi! :P

Don't tell this for anyone...is a secret! :lol:

Your secret's safe with me!:smilerolleyes:

[tha]

Your secret's safe with me!:smilerolleyes:

:hug:

I will dedicate my next album to you! ;) :wub:

:lol:

[SoS]

:clapping:

Justus, it was you who wrote these verses? You're a great poet! :wild: It was romantic... :wub: I love poetry and thanks for sharing! :D

Ash Justus was quoting that wonderful song by Nat King Cole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErVP6xLZwg

he threw one of the lyrics off tho :giggle:

Love, is more than I can give, to you :huh: :brow:

:bugeyed

:lol:

funny how one lyric can change the entire meaning of a song

j/k it was a very sweet timely thing to post

:wub: all about L.O.V.E.

The visuals from the video are well worth the energy it takes to *click* :yes:

adorable :wub: and beautiful art work

[tha]

funny how one lyric can change the entire meaning of a song


Is true! ^_^

[Ashtanga]

Ash Justus was quoting that wonderful song by Nat King Cole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErVP6xLZwg

he threw one of the lyrics off tho :giggle:

Love, is more than I can give, to you :huh: :brow:

:bugeyed

:lol:

funny how one lyric can change the entire meaning of a song

j/k it was a very sweet timely thing to post

:wub: all about l.o.v.e.

The visuals from the video are well worth the energy it takes to *click* :yes:

adorable :wub:


Thanks for the beautiful video! I do not remember and neither thought it was verses of a song by Nat King Cole. This song is beautiful and blends perfectly with this discussion... :wub:


Again I want to share another sonnet Vinicius de Moraes.


For the dearest Michael...


Sonnet of Love Like A River

The infinite love of a year makes
What is greater than the time and everything
This love is real, and that, however
I no longer believed there was more.

This love discovered unsuspected
And that in the drama was made in peace
This love is the tomb where lies
My body is forever buried.

This is my love like a river, a river
Night, endless and late
A slip by the soft desert...

And that in its course brings me to outer
Illuminated in the darkness of passion
For the endless space of a sea without end.

Vinicius de Moraes

:wub::wub::wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

L-O-V-E

L is for the way you look at me
O is for the only one I see
V is very, very extraordinary
E is even more than anyone that you adore can

:wild:

[Ashtanga]

L-O-V-E

L is for the way you look at me
O is for the only one I see
V is very, very extraordinary
E is even more than anyone that you can adore

:wild:
:wub: Beautiful verses of L.O.V.E.

[tha]

Again I want to share another sonnet Vinicius de Moraes.


For the dearest Michael...


Sonnet of Love Like A River

The infinite love of a year makes
What is greater than the time and everything
This love is real, and that, however
I no longer believed there was more.

This love discovered unsuspected
And that in the drama was made in peace
This love is the tomb where lies
My body is forever buried.

This is my love like a river, a river
Night, endless and late
A slip by the soft desert...

And that in its course brings me to outer
Illuminated in the darkness of passion
For the endless space of a sea without end.

Vinicius de Moraes

:wub::wub::wub:

:clapping:

Vinícius de Moraes is a genius! :)



L-O-V-E

L is for the way you look at me
O is for the only one I see
V is very, very extraordinary
E is even more than anyone that you can adore

:wild:

:wild: :wild:

Very Interisting! :rolleyes2:

[Lainy]

WOW! :wild: Incredible posts found here, thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts!!

Queen, very interesting your interpretation of the dream of Moddie777 I confess that I was thrilled!

SOS, thanks for sharing with us Shakespeare, as well as Ash with Vinicius de Moraes


I think everything is possible when we talk about Michael Jackson! Of course that we shouldn't see hair in eggs....
I think michael should enjoy this virtual life, after all, he can be whoever he wants, let the fame aside to be treated just like a normal person, since most of the time, the people saw him like an untouchable man! ;)
Michael could be any one of us .... he could be "me"! :)

Tha once again I agree with you, I think that in the communication by internet, Michael can be himself (I say as a person and not as the artist), because those who are on the other side will not know who he is, don't will elevate it to a superior level, and he will treated as an equal... which makes me believe that this is what makes Michael feel comfortable, be treated as a common person and not as an unattainable or higher (as it requires much) and creates a barrier that prevents he from being who he is, for fear of causing some disappointment in the person who sees it as a superior being

PS: Okay I hope it's readable, because Brazilian writing in English + sleep = error for sure! lol:laugh:

Tha I did not know you were the MJ! :wild: lol :lmao:



Originally Posted by MysteriousPhoenix
L-O-V-E

L is for the way you look at me
O is for the only one I see
V is very, very extraordinary
E is even more than anyone that you can adore

hum...

Very interesting!!
And beautiful :wub:

[SoS]

In reading back through, I just wanted to point out, this is a very good example of what I'd been trying to say earlier when I mentioned that it may have had something to do with "her" way - meaning her way of responding to things of this nature. Thanks for sharing this sweet story. This is exactly what I was talking about.


Actually that just reminded something that happened to me...that kind of relates to that. When I was a student, there was this one guy who was kind of cute and very nice. His friend was in a couple of the same classes as I was and we'd sometimes say hi and talk briefly. So that's how I got to know that other guy, because he'd sometimes be with that friend of his, when I'd say hi. So then we started saying hi if we saw each other because we recognized each other. And then sometimes stopped to talk and say hi. I knew he was a couple of years older than I was and I knew what his first name was...but that was all. But we'd say hi and stuff and then when ever he'd see me he'd be like "Hey pretty lady, how are you doing?!". He'd always call me "pretty lady"...which I actually liked, because he also said it in a classy way...not the "hey baby" way...not the "sleazy" way. So I liked him because he seemed nice and polite and like a nice person. Then one day when we saw each other at the uni he was like "Hey you wanna go have a cup of coffee with me?". And what did I do...? I was like "Uhm....nnnoooo thanks....". And then he was like "oh..okay..." and then he left. And I never saw him again. And the whole thing pretty much happened because I was EXTREMELY shy...and didn't know what to say. :doh: And what I DID say...came out totally wrong! :doh: :lol: I was hesitating because I kind of "freaked out" because a GUY was asking me to go have coffee with him...I wasn't hesitating because I didn't wanna go. :doh: And he asked me if I wanna go get a cup of COFFEE....and I don't drink coffee...I hate coffee....so that's why I said "no thanks". :doh::doh::doh: :lol: :lol: But I didn't really mean, I wouldn't wanna go anywhere with him. :doh: :lol: Had he added "Well a bottle of soda then?"...it maybe would have worked out. :lol: Yeah, he probably didn't think he'd need to be THAT specific. :lol: But you know...I kind of took it he meant literally "a cup of coffee"...I didn't think he might be asking me out. :doh: :lol: Anyways, so of course later on it dawned on me what a stupid idiot I had been, so I kept hoping to see him again, so that I could ask him if he'd still wanna go have a cup of SOMETHING (coffee/tea/soda/:lol:) with me. Because I did like him and did wanna get to know him better. But I never saw him again. Neither his friend. And since I only knew his first name, and not his last name, I couldn't search for his e-mail addy on the uni e-mail and that way had no way of contacting him. So that was the end of it. But I've often thought about him and about the "what if's".

So you know, it's possible something like that could have happened to MJ too? That he found someone he liked...and then for whatever reason...he just didn't have a way of contacting her but kept thinking about her anyhow? :scratch:It's possible. :scratch:"She" may have "freaked out", "left", "resisted", etc., (whatever the specific was) because it was a guy rather than per se because it was MJ. I don't know if you had this in mind when you thought to post this, but maybe some things "dawned" on her too, giving rise to the line that says, "you said you wanted to go with me all the while" which indicates she had a chance to tell him why she did what she did.

This post represents well, what I'd been trying to say. There are still some women in the world who are not going to chase after a guy, jump at the chance, rush in head-long, or whatever it may be. Those with "old fashioned" training. Makes all the sense in the world to me anyway. This scenario seems to really fit the song too!

[SoS]

WOW! :wild: Incredible posts found here, thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts!!

Queen, very interesting your interpretation of the dream of Moddie777 I confess that I was thrilled!

SOS, thanks for sharing with us Shakespeare, as well as Ash with Vinicius de Moraes



Tha once again I agree with you, I think that in the communication by internet, Michael can be himself (I say as a person and not as the artist), because those who are on the other side will not know who he is, don't will elevate it to a superior level, and he will treated as an equal... which makes me believe that this is what makes Michael feel comfortable, be treated as a common person and not as an unattainable or higher (as it requires much) and creates a barrier that prevents he from being who he is, for fear of causing some disappointment in the person who sees it as a superior being

PS: Okay I hope it's readable, because Brazilian writing in English + sleep = error for sure! lol:laugh:

Tha I did not know you were the MJ! :wild: lol :lmao:




hum...

Very interesting!!
And beautiful :wub:I agree (understood it perfectly btw), you said it very well!

Glad you liked the Shakespearean quotes. Here're a few more I found :) (so glad the thread is back on the l.o.v.e. track!)


Now join your hands, and with your hands your hearts. -- William Shakespeare
(reminds me of 'one hand one heart' theme)

Love goes toward love. -- William Shakespeare

(and this one again because it is so perfect)
...Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or Bends with the remover to remove.
O, no! It is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken.
It is the star to every wandering bark,
whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. -- William Shakespeare


:wub: :wub: :wub:

[Justus]

ack! my mistake, with that song verse! ok, so it's been a while since heard it. I'm not perfect! hahahaha

[Ape]

I felt like sharing some twitter things from Marianne Williamson that seem to fit here

Whom God has brought together, nothing -- not even death itself -- can put asunder. #fb (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23fb)10:08 PM Oct 17th (https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/4959495716) from web
Beyond a world of separate bodies, there is a world of spiritual unity. May the veil be lifted so we can see. And war shall be no more. #fb (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23fb)10:11 PM Oct 17th (https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/4959562029) from web

No big deal Justus :hug: It's a beautiful song. I sure know I can't get all the words right in music. Just look at all the troubles we've been having coming up with lyrics for "This Is It".

[SoS]

^ Thanks Ape, for posting. I like a lot of her work too. :)


ack! my mistake, with that song verse! ok, so it's been a while since heard it. I'm not perfect! hahahaha
oh that's okay, I tried so hard to resist pointing it out :giggle:

I figured it was just a quick flap of the fingers, and afterall - you restored the thread back to L.O.V.E. ;) !


Here's one of my favorite songs from the ancient days about love. I used to play this man's albums a lot when I was really little.

I just want you all to hear it because its such a beautiful song about love and a special tune and this performer is someone I feel everyone should know. One of my mother's favorites :wub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBGHWAo2tw&feature=PlayList&p=B26746F65B0503B0&index=4

Love Is A Many Splendored Thing :wub:

[Sdeidjs]

]I'm so glad you shared that, and I admire you to no end. I was thinking of different answers not too long ago when asked the question, "Who are your heros?" and one answer I thought of was all the single mothers out there that do it all on their own. I think what you did for you and your son was absolutely heroic.


And Summer, your story about the nice young man and his coffee offer touched me very much as well. I know what you were feeling. It seems that the gals with all the poise and finesse in those situations are the outgoing ones who are asked out all the time and are quite practiced at it. The shyer ones seem to be asked out so rarely that when something like this happens, they are at a loss on what to say and often find that they end up regretting how they handled it afterwards. Experienced ones are not thrown by it, inexperieced ones become quite thrown, flustered, and do not represent themselves accurately at the moment...giving someone the wrong idea of who they really are. But Summer, one day, one day... it is going to happen for you; I'm not just sayig this to say it, but you are a quality young lady...enough of you shows through here in your posts, and one day the right guy is going to see that. I guess I have faith for you in the way I never had faith for myself. But I do believe this for you. :flowers:

EDIT: Lorraine, thank you for this reminder. The only thing that was said by Justus was that MJ "viewed" this thread. And I mentioned that Trish said MJ was computer savvy and probably getting around on the internet. My dream interpretation was implying that MJ somewhere on the internet could have been interacting with his love interest (IF she exists), and, nothing was said to indicate that "she" is even a fan....just that they may have communicated somewhere online. Just a dream interpretation; not fact.

Hey consider this,
think of the many possibilities for two people to interact on the internet: YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, MSN, AIM, and a numerous assortment of sites that cater to all kinds of interests.[/QUOTE]

Thank You for all of your kind words...

"When we as the individual has the faith, determination, passion, perseverance to accomplish many hopes and dreams...WE create Miracles~~~


:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

ummmmm...

*feels a bit strange to be here right now...*

I'm not getting terribly terrific vibes from here at the moment. Positivity would be nice.

I will say,
that yes, exercising caution IS a must, especially on the internet. Just be careful. You guys,
I care so much about you, you really have no idea.
"Careful what you do,
cause the lie becomes the truth". Well, it can go the other way, as well. "Careful or you die, cause the truth becomes a lie". Well, anyway. Shall we get back to LOVE? Because
love is so important. Now, more than ever before.


Love, is more than I can give, to you,
Love, is more than just a game for two.
Two in love can make it,
Take my heart but please don't break it,
Love was made for me and you!

:punk:Impressive

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

ack! my mistake, with that song verse! ok, so it's been a while since heard it.
I'm not perfect! hahahaha

No one is perfect..!

It's all good...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[tha]

Tha once again I agree with you, I think that in the communication by internet, Michael can be himself (I say as a person and not as the artist), because those who are on the other side will not know who he is, don't will elevate it to a superior level, and he will treated as an equal... which makes me believe that this is what makes Michael feel comfortable, be treated as a common person and not as an unattainable or higher (as it requires much) and creates a barrier that prevents he from being who he is, for fear of causing some disappointment in the person who sees it as a superior being

Thanks, honey! ;)


PS: Okay I hope it's readable, because Brazilian writing in English + sleep = error for sure! lol:laugh:

:lol: banza!


Tha I did not know you were the MJ! :wild: lol :lmao:

Yeah....but it is a secret! Right! Just MP and you know that! :lol:



Now join your hands, and with your hands your hearts. -- William Shakespeare
(reminds me of 'one hand one heart' theme)

Love goes toward love. -- William Shakespeare

(and this one again because it is so perfect)
...Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or Bends with the remover to remove.
O, no! It is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken.
It is the star to every wandering bark,
whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. -- William Shakespeare


:wub: :wub: :wub:

Wow! This is great, my darling!!! I loved! :)




For everybody: HAVE A NICE DAY!

:)

[Sdeidjs]

HANDY LITTLE CHART - GOD HAS A POSITIVE ANSWER:










YOU SAY




GOD SAYS




BIBLE VERSES




You say: 'It's impossible'




God says: All things are possible




(Luke 18:27)




You say: 'I'm too tired'




God says: I will give you rest




(Matthew 11:28-30)




You say: 'Nobody really loves me'




God says: I love you




(John 3:1 6 & John 3:34 )




You say: 'I can't go on'




God says: My grace is sufficient




(II Corinthians 12:9 & Psalm 91:15)




You say: 'I can't figure things out'




God says: I will direct your steps




(Proverbs 3:5- 6)




You say: 'I can't do it'




God says: You can do all things




( Philippians 4:13)




You say: 'I'm not able'




God says: I am able




(II Corinthians 9:8)




You say: 'It's not worth it'




God says: It will be worth it




(Roman 8:28 )




You say: 'I can't forgive my self'




God says: I Forgive you




(I John 1:9 & Romans 8:1)




You say: 'I can't manage'




God says: I will supply all your needs




( Phil ippians 4:19)




You say: 'I'm afraid'




God says: I have not given you a spirit of fear




(II Timothy 1:7)




You say: 'I'm always worried and frustrated'




God says: Cast all your cares on ME




(I Peter 5:7)




You say: 'I'm not smart enough'




God says: I give you wisdom




(I Corinthians 1:30)




You say: 'I feel all alone'




God says: I will never leave you or forsake you




(Hebrews 13:5)






PASS THIS ON. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MAY BE IN NEED
The first sentence is pretty powerful!

God determines who walks into your life....it's up to you to decide who you let walk away, who you let stay, and who you refuse to let go.'

Father, God, bless all my friends in whatever it is that you know they may need this day! And may their lives be full of your peace, prosperity and power as they seek to have a closer relationship with you. Amen.

Now send it on to other people. Within hours you caused a multitude of people to pray for other people.





:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Justus]

sheesh where is everyone today????? I'm surprised there aren't like 4 pages backed up already!

[Sdeidjs]

I absolutely adore Chloe Agnew/Celtic Woman...true song birds of the soul...One of many God's gifts to the world..!

With all this talk of feeling the love...these composition (s) seem to fit perfectly into the theme of this thread...

Simply Breathtaking be still my heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBUhGkMUoEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxwth55K48Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTjY79nGRE


:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[tha]

sheesh where is everyone today????? I'm surprised there aren't like 4 pages backed up already!

Is true!!



Simply Breathtaking be still my heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBUhGkMUoEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxwth55K48Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzTjY79nGRE


:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Own.....beautiful songs!!! I love all 3!!! Thanks for sharing, honey! ;)



Yesterday I heard a song that reminded me of this thread! And I don't know exactly why! I just remembered this thread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUFcxBq1y4

FLIGHTLESS BIRD, AMERICAN MOUTH

I was a quick wet boy
Diving too deep for coins
All of your straight blind eyes
Wide on my plastic toys
And when the cops closed the fair
I cut my long baby hair
Stole me a dog-eared map
And called for you everywhere

Have I found you?
Flightless bird, jealous, weeping
Or lost you?
American mouth
Big bill looming

Now I'm a fat house cat
Cursing my sore blunt tongue
Watching the warm poison rats
Curl through the wide/white fence cracks
Kissing on magazine photos
Those fishing lures thrown in the cold and clean
Blood of Christ mountain stream

Have I found you?
Flightless bird, brown hair bleeding
Or lost you?
American mouth
Big bill, stuck going down

:mello:

[Lily]

I had some random thoughts again while grocery shopping this morning :ermm: LOL

Here it goes....


Do you ever think about what feeds the soul?

Is it creating a work of art that you visualize in your mind and bring to life with patience and pure love to share with others?

Is it sitting still by the ocean shore with the sound of forceful waves crashing, yet below the surface there is a calm magical beauty and an abundance of life we are so unaware of?

Is it the vivid moon that illuminates the universe so brightly seen the same by each one of us no matter where in the world we stand or the sunset off in the distance that fades into the night behind rolling hills only to rise again at the dawning of a new day?

Or is it witnessing the miraculous beauty of nature all around with flowers blooming, birds singing sweet melodies, delicate butterflies taking to flight, or a grasshopper sitting on a leaf staring at you as you talk to it and all you can think to yourself is, “what is IT thinking”? LOL

Is it the precious cries, laughter and smiles from a child, emotions and pure love so innocent and untainted by a world they have yet to discover?

Is it simply a “hello” or “good morning” accompanied by a smile to a complete stranger that you pass by as you go about your day, or a gift of a warm coat or a meal to show someone that people DO still care?

Is it a gentle breeze that blows over your being as if it’s whispering to you the secrets of Mother Earth?

Is it one of the most beautiful natural wonders, a sign of hope, a rainbow that appears in the beauty of a waterfall or in the dark of a storm through tear drops that rain down from Heavens Angels and a brief ray of sunlight, like magic, it’s endless and can be seen by all for miles and miles?

Or is it lyrics of a song written by a complete stranger but it’s as if they were written just for you. Touching you so deep to your core as if to take you to a place that allows you to dream or maybe even someplace new that teaches you something still undiscovered about yourself? One of the most beautiful songs ever written imo says it all…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTQfERb9HVk


Absorbing Love, Life, Happiness and so much more.....Food for my soul…..:)

[Lily]

Dang Tha if that song reminds you of this thread then we have some issues here :blink: good grief :bugeyed :lol:



"Careful what you do, cause the lie becomes the truth". Well, it can go the other way, as well. "Careful or you die, cause the truth becomes a lie". Well, anyway. Shall we get back to LOVE? Because love is so important. Now, more than ever before.

Love, is more than I can give, to you,
Love, is more than just a game for two.
Two in love can make it,
Take my heart but please don't break it,
Love was made for me and you!

After reading this highlighted part now I have the beat of "Billie Jean" stuck in my head. :doh: LOL

Great song by Nat King Cole you posted btw. :)

[tha]

Very good, Lily! Excelent! :clapping:



Dang Tha if that song reminds you of this thread then we have some issues here :blink: good grief :bugeyed :lol:

:unsure: :scratch:

[LindaC781]

Here's some food for thought. On the Internet, Michael can be himself, or even pretend to be someone else. He could communicate with some woman, and she wouldn't have a clue as to who he really is. That way, he could have "tested" her, find out things about her personality - and find out if she connects with him on a very raw level....she wouldn't know just who he is, but what if she told him that she loved him? After months of communicating, she got to know stuff about "him" and just found that connection, and stated how she felt? And he told her? But never told her exactly who he was?

Not all of us women or people are motivated by fame or money....we all have a chance to connect to one another on a very raw, very fundamental, very human level. What if she saw those things in him, without knowing exactly who it was she was talking to? And she didn't care either way?

[MysteriousPhoenix]

sheesh where is everyone today????? I'm surprised there aren't like 4 pages backed up already!

I think we have all finally reached satiation.:worried::girl_sigh:

[tha]

Here's some food for thought. On the Internet, Michael can be himself, or even pretend to be someone else. He could communicate with some woman, and she wouldn't have a clue as to who he really is. That way, he could have "tested" her, find out things about her personality - and find out if she connects with him on a very raw level....she wouldn't know just who he is, but what if she told him that she loved him? After months of communicating, she got to know stuff about "him" and just found that connection, and stated how she felt? And he told her? But never told her exactly who he was?

Not all of us women or people are motivated by fame or money....we all have a chance to connect to one another on a very raw, very fundamental, very human level. What if she saw those things in him, without knowing exactly who it was she was talking to? And she didn't care either way?

:yes:



I think we have all finally reached satiation.:worried::girl_sigh:

We? :unsure: Not me!! :lol:

[Lily]

Very good, Lily! Excelent! :clapping:

Thank you. :flowers:




:unsure: :scratch:

Some of the lyrics of that song are well.....interesting :ph34r: that's all :cheeky:



Time to go, gotta finish painting something today. -_- See ya. :)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Oh, I'm coming out of satiation just long enough to say this was a good post Linda. Lots of valid points.



Here's some food for thought. On the Internet, Michael can be himself, or even pretend to be someone else. He could communicate with some woman, and she wouldn't have a clue as to who he really is. That way, he could have "tested" her, find out things about her personality - and find out if she connects with him on a very raw level....she wouldn't know just who he is, but what if she told him that she loved him? After months of communicating, she got to know stuff about "him" and just found that connection, and stated how she felt? And he told her? But never told her exactly who he was?

Not all of us women or people are motivated by fame or money....we all have a chance to connect to one another on a very raw, very fundamental, very human level. What if she saw those things in him, without knowing exactly who it was she was talking to? And she didn't care either way?

[Ape]

Lily THANK YOU for posting your thoughts/poem. It made me smile. Beautiful.

I like your "handy little chart" too Sdeidjs ..lol. it really is a handy chart. There we go, we're on our way to four pages again ;)

SOS, I learned of her because of the bit she wrote from Nelson Mandel's speech.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”


I love it, and wish I could have heard this when I was younger. It would have changed me to hear, I think, in a good way. I wouldn't have felt I had to change who I was in order to please anyone else. I used to be quite gifted in art and when other kids got jealous and reacted in a mean or upset way towards me because of it, I didn't put the same effort into it. I thought I was making them feel bad by being able to do something well so I didn't try so hard. Pretty sad now that I think about it. I wonder where I could be now had I not let them get to me and let myself shine.

[LindaC781]

Oh, I'm coming out of satiation just long enough to say this was a good post Linda. Lots of valid points.

Thank you MP. It is true. I for one am not the type to be motivated by anything other than the true nature of someone's personality and good nature. If one is spiritually pure and is a good talker/listener, that means more to me than anything material on this earth.

[tha]

Some of the lyrics of that song are well.....interesting :ph34r: that's all :cheeky:


;)



Oh, I'm coming out of satiation just long enough to say this was a good post Linda. Lots of valid points.

:unsure:

[Ape]

Tha, I enjoyed that song :) I can see somehow how it might remind you of this thread, especially Have I found you?
Flightless bird, jealous, weeping
Or lost you?
Also just his soothing sound. It's relaxing to listen to.

Linda yes I agree with you. Though I don't know that it would be only a couple months. It takes so long to get to know a person well. I would think even longer online. I could see it though, but I could also see someone wondering this, and it not being true. I have had people believe I am Michael Jackson (feel free to laugh if you wish..lol) though I tell them I am not, actually more times than I'd imagine. First happened the first day I ever chatted. I know I am not him, but anyone online might take a while longer to figure out that I'm just who I say I am.

I will also admit to thinking someone might be him online. It wasn't someone who said they were him or who most people would imagine to be him. I just have a really wild imagination sometimes and when I see coincidences they play on my mind till I have some scenario figured out (right or wrong). So anyways, this makes me well aware of how it can happen online where we are all faceless, mostly nameless, voiceless people. I do understand someone who just meets me (especially when I want to remain anonymous) think I am other than who I am. All we really know each other by is our words. It's easy enough to wonder about. The truth though, is only really known by ourselves isn't it? .. and those who know us in person. :)

[SoS]

I think we have all finally reached satiation.:worried::girl_sigh::ermm: :innocent: :huh: :rolleyes2: ;D whachoo talkn' 'bout Willis :giggle:



Lily THANK YOU for posting your thoughts/poem. It made me smile. Beautiful.

I like your "handy little chart" too Sdeidjs ..lol. it really is a handy chart. There we go, we're on our way to four pages again ;)

SOS, I learned of her because of the bit she wrote from Nelson Mandel's speech.
“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”


I love it, and wish I could have heard this when I was younger. It would have changed me to hear, I think, in a good way. I wouldn't have felt I had to change who I was in order to please anyone else. I used to be quite gifted in art and when other kids got jealous and reacted in a mean or upset way towards me because of it, I didn't put the same effort into it. I thought I was making them feel bad by being able to do something well so I didn't try so hard. Pretty sad now that I think about it. I wonder where I could be now had I not let them get to me and let myself shine.

That's how I first heard of her too. Made some of the same mistakes you did too, trying to 'shrink' myself, or my energy or exhuberence (sp) just so others wouldn't feel 'threatened' because it happened so easily it seemed. Took a lot of hard lessons on that one. Reading this back then would have possibly helped me understand what was going on too. She's had some interesting things to say about growing older. I find her to be a big help now too. :)


Thank you MP. It is true. I for one am not the type to be motivated by anything other than the true nature of someone's personality and good nature. If one is spiritually pure and is a good talker/listener, that means more to me than anything material on this earth. Hopefully MJ did get a chance to find that out. I mean the fact that everybody's not 'out' for something.

Lily I love that song for my kids (not saying it does't fit the thread). Thanks for posting it! Terrific song!

[tha]

Tha, I enjoyed that song :) I can see somehow how it might remind you of this thread, especially Have I found you?
Flightless bird, jealous, weeping
Or lost you?
Also just his soothing sound. It's relaxing to listen to.

Exactly! This part is more interesting! ^_^ And this song is very relaxing!


Linda yes I agree with you. Though I don't know that it would be only a couple months. It takes so long to get to know a person well.

I don't know! I think he could be found soon or just get us very suspicious! I think that while he tried to be someone else online, in one way or another, he would be himself!
And there are certain things that him couldn't disguise....:rolleyes2:



The truth though, is only really known by ourselves isn't it? .. and those who know us in person. :)

Sometimes, not even ourselves....:unsure:

[Sdeidjs]

Is true!!



Own.....beautiful songs!!! I love all 3!!! Thanks for sharing, honey! ;)



Yesterday I heard a song that reminded me of this thread! And I don't know exactly why! I just remembered this thread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUFcxBq1y4

FLIGHTLESS BIRD, AMERICAN MOUTH

I was a quick wet boy
Diving too deep for coins
All of your straight blind eyes
Wide on my plastic toys
And when the cops closed the fair
I cut my long baby hair
Stole me a dog-eared map
And called for you everywhere

Have I found you?
Flightless bird, jealous, weeping
Or lost you?
American mouth
Big bill looming

Now I'm a fat house cat
Cursing my sore blunt tongue
Watching the warm poison rats
Curl through the wide/white fence cracks
Kissing on magazine photos
Those fishing lures thrown in the cold and clean
Blood of Christ mountain stream

Have I found you?
Flightless bird, brown hair bleeding
Or lost you?
American mouth
Big bill, stuck going down

:mello:

Your Very Welcome...Thank you...I enjoy surfing the net (you tube, my space, facebook and what not for new music/Artists from "many different" genre (s)...

It just so happens that I was listening to Christian Music on Slacker Radio this morning while getting ready for work...

This tune called Free To Be Me by Francesca Battistelli came on and it made me take a second look at this potential #1 hit/Artist.

Check It Out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujenRXDu2Ik

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are THe World...Education IS The Key~~~

[summer]

I'm so glad you shared that, and I admire you to no end. I was thinking of different answers not too long ago when asked the question, "Who are your heros?" and one answer I thought of was all the single mothers out there that do it all on their own. I think what you did for you and your son was absolutely heroic.


And Summer, your story about the nice young man and his coffee offer touched me very much as well. I know what you were feeling. It seems that the gals with all the poise and finesse in those situations are the outgoing ones who are asked out all the time and are quite practiced at it. The shyer ones seem to be asked out so rarely that when something like this happens, they are at a loss on what to say and often find that they end up regretting how they handled it afterwards. Experienced ones are not thrown by it, inexperieced ones become quite thrown, flustered, and do not represent themselves accurately at the moment...giving someone the wrong idea of who they really are. But Summer, one day, one day... it is going to happen for you; I'm not just sayig this to say it, but you are a quality young lady...enough of you shows through here in your posts, and one day the right guy is going to see that. I guess I have faith for you in the way I never had faith for myself. But I do believe this for you. :flowers:

EDIT: Lorraine, thank you for this reminder. The only thing that was said by Justus was that MJ "viewed" this thread. And I mentioned that Trish said MJ was computer savvy and probably getting around on the internet. My dream interpretation was implying that MJ somewhere on the internet could have been interacting with his love interest (IF she exists), and, nothing was said to indicate that "she" is even a fan....just that they may have communicated somewhere online. Just a dream interpretation; not fact.

Hey consider this, think of the many possibilities for two people to interact on the internet: YouTube, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, MSN, AIM, and a numerous assortment of sites that cater to all kinds of interests.

Aaaw thanks queen g! :hug: And thanks for having faith for me...since I don't. :lol: I think my ship has already sailed. :timer:





Michael could be any one of us .... he could be "me"! :)

No...MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! :clapping: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:P



In reading back through, I just wanted to point out, this is a very good example of what I'd been trying to say earlier when I mentioned that it may have had something to do with "her" way - meaning her way of responding to things of this nature. Thanks for sharing this sweet story. This is exactly what I was talking about.

"She" may have "freaked out", "left", "resisted", etc., (whatever the specific was) because it was a guy rather than per se because it was MJ. I don't know if you had this in mind when you thought to post this, but maybe some things "dawned" on her too, giving rise to the line that says, "you said you wanted to go with me all the while" which indicates she had a chance to tell him why she did what she did.

This post represents well, what I'd been trying to say. There are still some women in the world who are not going to chase after a guy, jump at the chance, rush in head-long, or whatever it may be. Those with "old fashioned" training. Makes all the sense in the world to me anyway. This scenario seems to really fit the song too!

No, I didn't really think about it from that point of view....I was actually first just trying to reply to the post asking why he couldn't contact someone he loved (or maybe "love" is too strong of a word, if it was someone he didn't know THAT well...maybe a "crush" could be a better word?). So you know, I was trying to think of an example of how someone could have a crush on a person and NOT be able to contact them. So I came up with the "Disney store person" idea...But then that reminded me of something that happened to me when I was younger (the "coffee story" happened about 13 years ago...:lol:) so I decided to share that because in my opinion it was a good example of how you can like someone and have brief contact...but then not be able to contact them anymore. So you know, I thought if something like that happens to "normal" people...why not MJ?


sheesh where is everyone today????? I'm surprised there aren't like 4 pages backed up already!

Yeah, how dare you guys have a life! :mello: :lol: :lol: (I'm just kidding! :P :lol:)


I had some random thoughts again while grocery shopping this morning :ermm: LOL

Here it goes....


Do you ever think about what feeds the soul?

Is it creating a work of art that you visualize in your mind and bring to life with patience and pure love to share with others?

Is it sitting still by the ocean shore with the sound of forceful waves crashing, yet below the surface there is a calm magical beauty and an abundance of life we are so unaware of?

Is it the vivid moon that illuminates the universe so brightly seen the same by each one of us no matter where in the world we stand or the sunset off in the distance that fades into the night behind rolling hills only to rise again at the dawning of a new day?

Or is it witnessing the miraculous beauty of nature all around with flowers blooming, birds singing sweet melodies, delicate butterflies taking to flight, or a grasshopper sitting on a leaf staring at you as you talk to it and all you can think to yourself is, “what is IT thinking”? LOL

Is it the precious cries, laughter and smiles from a child, emotions and pure love so innocent and untainted by a world they have yet to discover?

Is it simply a “hello” or “good morning” accompanied by a smile to a complete stranger that you pass by as you go about your day, or a gift of a warm coat or a meal to show someone that people DO still care?

Is it a gentle breeze that blows over your being as if it’s whispering to you the secrets of Mother Earth?

Is it one of the most beautiful natural wonders, a sign of hope, a rainbow that appears in the beauty of a waterfall or in the dark of a storm through tear drops that rain down from Heavens Angels and a brief ray of sunlight, like magic, it’s endless and can be seen by all for miles and miles?

Or is it lyrics of a song written by a complete stranger but it’s as if they were written just for you. Touching you so deep to your core as if to take you to a place that allows you to dream or maybe even someplace new that teaches you something still undiscovered about yourself? One of the most beautiful songs ever written imo says it all…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTQfERb9HVk


Absorbing Love, Life, Happiness and so much more.....Food for my soul…..:)

I do think about stuff like that...but what I keep thinking about the most is what our PURPOUSE of being here is. I mean...when you think how big the universe is. Why are WE here? Is our purpouse to go to school, go to work...eat, sleep, study/work...and then die? And then the next generation does it all over again? I mean, is there some "ultimate goal" for our planet and for us? And then also...they say the universe keeps expanding...but if it does...where is it expanding TO? Doesn't that mean there is something BEYOND the universe..? :scratch:But could that be? :scratch:Anyways. :lol:

[Ape]

Oh I mean the truth about ourselves. I hope I know my own truth..lol.. and about it taking a while to get to know someone. I mean I would imagine it would take a while to get to know someone well enough to trust and then fall in love, or at least realize you are in love. Maybe it would feel like it's instant, but then to jump into that might not be smart. But like the new song says, it took a while. Or at least that was my interpretation of it. I could be wrong.

EDITing in: I keep posting then see posts that were posted while I was writing mine. I liked your story too Summer, I mean MJ..lol. Guess we are ALL MJ, how proud he would be!!

I've thought of this too and could it be that we are here for God? Maybe he felt lonely. If we think about our children (or your niece/nephew) and you watch them play, you watch them interact, that's something special to have. You feel sad when they don't get along, you can feel at your wits end when they are defiant, and you can feel your heart well up with love when you see them loving each other and caring for each other. When they sincerely want to make you proud and love you ... that's maybe what this world is about. We can warm God's heart maybe, and also break it at times, just as we do with each other.

[tha]

Your Very Welcome...Thank you...I enjoy surfing the net (you tube, my space, facebook and what not for new music/Artists from "many different" genre (s)...

I also like surfing the net looking for news and interesting songs! ^_^


It just so happens that I was listening to Christian Music on Slacker Radio this morning while getting ready for work...

This tune called Free To Be Me by Francesca Battistelli came on and it made me take a second look at this potential #1 hit/Artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujenRXDu2Ik

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are THe World...Education IS The Key~~~

Wow!!! I loved this song! I had never heard it!!! I identified me with her it! :) And I think a friend of mine also identify with it! :rolleyes2:

Thanks again, Sdeidjs! ;)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

I have had people believe I am Michael Jackson

You too, eh?:huh: My username has been my curse!!!:lol:



:ermm: :innocent: :huh: :rolleyes2: ;D whachoo talkn' 'bout Willis :giggle:

Not to worry SoS. I know I won't stay satiated for long. To quote Al Pacino in The Godfather: Part III, "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!!!":lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

You too, eh?:huh: My username has been my curse!!!:lol:

:rolleyes2: If you change your username to "Michael Jackson" no one will never suspect! :lol:


Not to worry SoS. I know I won't stay satiated for long. To quote Al Pacino in The Godfather: Part III, "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!!!":lol:

"The Godfather" is life lesson! :D :P



So my question is, was the MANNEQUIN a "message?"

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4646/mannequinl.jpg

Paps to mannequin propped into front seat of car:

"Are you hot in there?"
"Any comments about Michael?"
"Can you breathe?"

I don't know! Michael seems like subliminal messages! The Mannequim could be one more message, but now I can't thinking about it!! But it is curious and I want to know if there is a message! :unsure:

[Ape]

LOL woah, when was that queen g? His arms look so real. The face, not so much. hahah it's funny. Maybe he just needed an extra body guard that day and the price was right on this one.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:rolleyes2: If you change your username to "Michael Jackson" no one will never suspect! :lol:


Ah, yes. That's called "reverse psychology," isn't it? Very clever! You're right. Whenever I see anyone with the username, "Michael Jackson," I almost immediately think it is not him. Funny thing is, it could really be him and I would still think it wasn't him.:D It really works!:lol:

Edit: Speaking of his name, is it just me, or does his name always look so perfect in print? I don't know what it is, is it because both his first name and last name each have the same number of letters in them? Is it also how the letters combine or something? Also, both his first and last name have two syllables. Real nice flow he's got to his name. It was like he was destined to be a star!

[summer]

Oh I mean the truth about ourselves. I hope I know my own truth..lol.. and about it taking a while to get to know someone. I mean I would imagine it would take a while to get to know someone well enough to trust and then fall in love, or at least realize you are in love. Maybe it would feel like it's instant, but then to jump into that might not be smart. But like the new song says, it took a while. Or at least that was my interpretation of it. I could be wrong.

EDITing in: I keep posting then see posts that were posted while I was writing mine. I liked your story too Summer, I mean MJ..lol. Guess we are ALL MJ, how proud he would be!!

I've thought of this too and could it be that we are here for God? Maybe he felt lonely. If we think about our children (or your niece/nephew) and you watch them play, you watch them interact, that's something special to have. You feel sad when they don't get along, you can feel at your wits end when they are defiant, and you can feel your heart well up with love when you see them loving each other and caring for each other. When they sincerely want to make you proud and love you ... that's maybe what this world is about. We can warm God's heart maybe, and also break it at times, just as we do with each other.

I was playing Sims on my computer once and then afterwards I was like "What if we are just a Sims game for some aliens in outer space or somewhere beyond the universe? :scratch::lol: Have you guys played Sims? You "create" the person you want to have as your Sims...you build their house...you send them to work, etc. So once I was like "But what if we are just some Sims people....for some bored alien kid?" :o:scratch::lol: :lol:


Some of these posts have been so thoughtful, like Lily's today, and Linda's. I hope I don't take things in a wrong direction here, but I very well may be. (I want you to know before I post this next little thing that it does not represent me, in fact it is quite out of character, but here) :giggle:

Anyway, remember you guys talkin' about "coincidences" and how when MJ went out and about to do his shopping it seems like at times he was getting messages across to us in this thread, or maybe at times a message to "her" ITIAH (meaning "If there is a 'her'" as opposed to ITIAS, "If there is a "she"). You know, like the roses on the note, and the bright green jacket after the discussion on wearing green glow in the dark shirts, and Butterfly fairy chandeliers and fluffy feathery black fairy/butterfly/birdie lookin' lapel pins. All that.

So my question is, was the MANNEQUIN a "message?"

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4646/mannequinl.jpg

Paps to mannequin propped into front seat of car:

"Are you hot in there?"
"Any comments about Michael?"
"Can you breathe?"

So what's your take on it? I only know it ended up being his "bartender" apparently, because it was placed behind the "bar". So maybe it was just a mannequin MJ liked and he was "pouring his heart out" in the evenings to his "personal (mannequin) bartender" at his "bar"....:scratch: :lol: Can't ya just see Michael sitting at his bar...sipping some juice "on the rocks" (:lol:)...and pouring his heart out to his "bartender". :D And he (the mannequin) was probably "watching" the place at night...an "extra bodyguard in the dark". You know, if it's dark you'd probably at first glance think there is really some "tough guy" behidn the bar. And for some reason I can totally see MJ walking by during the day and greeting the mannequin and going "Hey Larry (or Bob, or Jerry...or something...:lol:)!! How's it going! Nice to see ya!". :lol:

[tha]

Ah, yes. That's called "reverse psychology," isn't it? Very clever! You're right. Whenever I see anyone with the username, "Michael Jackson," I almost immediately think it is not him. Funny thing is, it could really be him and I would still think it wasn't him.:D It really works!:lol:

Yeah! It really works! I always thinking that isn't he when I see the username: "Michael Jackson"! Always! Is funny! Maybe I have spoken with him out there not believing that was really he! :lol:
But I think that Michael wouldn't use that "reverse psychology".... :rolleyes2:

[Sdeidjs]

Lily THANK YOU for posting your thoughts/poem. It made me smile. Beautiful.

I like your "handy little chart" too Sdeidjs ..lol. it really is a handy chart. There we go, we're on our way to four pages again ;)

SOS, I learned of her because of the bit she wrote from Nelson Mandel's speech.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”


I love it, and wish I could have heard this when I was younger. It would have changed me to hear, I think, in a good way. I wouldn't have felt I had to change who I was in order to please anyone else. I used to be quite gifted in art and when other kids got jealous and reacted in a mean or upset way towards me because of it, I didn't put the same effort into it. I thought I was making them feel bad by being able to do something well so I didn't try so hard. Pretty sad now that I think about it. I wonder where I could be now had I not let them get to me and let myself shine.




My Goodness gracious Ape...

What are you waiting for? its NEVER to late and one is NEVER to old to go after your hopes and dreams...

As long as I can remember, Including but not limited to...I always wanted to become a music industry lawyer, AR, PR ...and help change the laws to make a difference with music etc. etc...for children, the elderly, and mother earth...

There was a time...I had people (professional and/or goverment employee's) tell me how likly (at your age (31) etc.) is it that you will ever make it to or through the college process none alone law school..?

Currently I am 47, and have my 1st year of my Bachelor Degree complete in Political Science/Criminal with a 3.12 GPA...

No matter who or what tried/trys to discourage me from my hopes, dreams, goals...I will be dog gone it that anything or anyone was/is gonna ever stop me from achieveing what and who I have always been about...

Whatever your circumstances are...If the individual wants it...the opportunities have always been there...We as the individual can accomplish ANYTHING if the passion, determination, and perseverence is there...

The choices we make in life assist our destiny with the fruitation of our journey and the Legacy that it derives from..!

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So what's your take on it? I only know it ended up being his "bartender" apparently, because it was placed behind the "bar". So maybe it was just a mannequin MJ liked and he was "pouring his heart out" in the evenings to his "personal (mannequin) bartender" at his "bar"....:scratch: :lol: Can't ya just see Michael sitting at his bar...sipping some juice "on the rocks" (:lol:)...and pouring his heart out to his "bartender". :D And he (the mannequin) was probably "watching" the place at night...an "extra bodyguard in the dark". You know, if it's dark you'd probably at first glance think there is really some "tough guy" behidn the bar. And for some reason I can totally see MJ walking by during the day and greeting the mannequin and going "Hey Larry (or Bob, or Jerry...or something...:lol:)!! How's it going! Nice to see ya!". :lol:

This has always been one of my greatest fears about being invited to spend the night at Neverland. I always thought, what if I had to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and ran into one of MJ's mannequins! I would be screaming in horror! And, I am sure MJ would be laughing his buns off!:lol:

[LindaC781]

Some of these posts have been so thoughtful, like Lily's today, and Linda's. I hope I don't take things in a wrong direction here, but I very well may be. (I want you to know before I post this next little thing that it does not represent me, in fact it is quite out of character, but here) :giggle:

Anyway, remember you guys talkin' about "coincidences" and how when MJ went out and about to do his shopping it seems like at times he was getting messages across to us in this thread, or maybe at times a message to "her" ITIAH (meaning "If there is a 'her'" as opposed to ITIAS, "If there is a "she"). You know, like the roses on the note, and the bright green jacket after the discussion on wearing green glow in the dark shirts, and Butterfly fairy chandeliers and fluffy feathery black fairy/butterfly/birdie lookin' lapel pins. All that.

So my question is, was the MANNEQUIN a "message?"

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4646/mannequinl.jpg

Paps to mannequin propped into front seat of car:

"Are you hot in there?"
"Any comments about Michael?"
"Can you breathe?"

Maybe the mannequin was his "Mr. T"?? Like in "Don't EFF wid me man, I've got MR. G here to protect me!"

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/mr-t-gold-chains-sparkling.gif

[Ape]

Thank you Sdeidjs but it's not a dream of mine. I only wonder how much better I would have been if I had kept on as I was going before I stopped trying or hid my ability. I forgot that I used to love drawing. It was only after all the jealousy that I stopped enjoying it.
I have other dreams now and am fulfilling them. I never would have thought I'd like acting while I was growing up. I thought it was for extroverted people, or those who like being the center of attention, and maybe the class clowns and I was nothing like that. Now I see it completely different and love it. (btw, we are done filming the movie I mentioned in here earlier but now it's in editing and sound and all that. They'll take almost a year to complete it but I should have some trailers to show people if anyone wants? If not I'll just keep it to myself.)
I'm currently in college.

EDIT: LOL MP, I never have had a fear of being invited to sleep over at Neverland. :lol: Never even thought of the possibility. Though I was invited once to go there when I was in a chatroom.. jet to pick me up and all ..lol. I wonder what ever happened to that invitation... :huh:

[tha]

Edit: Speaking of his name, is it just me, or does his name always look so perfect in print? I don't know what it is, is it because both his first name and last name each have the same number of letters in them? Is it also how the letters combine or something? Also, both his first and last name have two syllables. Real nice flow he's got to his name. It was like he was destined to be a star!

I feel the same, MP!! His name is magical like he is! Is inexplicable, is gorgeous! :wub:


This has always been one of my greatest fears about being invited to spend the night at Neverland. I always thought, what if I had to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and ran into one of MJ's mannequins! I would be screaming in horror! And, I am sure MJ would be laughing his buns off!:lol:

:lmao:


Maybe the mannequin was his "Mr. T"?? Like in "Don't EFF wid me man, I've got MR. G here to protect me!"

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/mr-t-gold-chains-sparkling.gif

Maybe? :D

[LindaC781]

This has always been one of my greatest fears about being invited to spend the night at Neverland. I always thought, what if I had to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and ran into one of MJ's mannequins! I would be screaming in horror! And, I am sure MJ would be laughing his buns off!:lol:

I'm afraid if I did that, I'd be caught feeling the thing up, trying to find my way in the dark....and MJ would beat me into the bathroom, crying laughing!

[summer]

Really...it ended up being a bartender? :lol:

Oh my gosh....the lightbulb just went on for me...he's communicating to us all that his Lady in the Dark friend is a...LUSH!

That would have been probably hard for them to work through. lol.

:bugeyed :lol: :lol: :lol:


This has always been one of my greatest fears about being invited to spend the night at Neverland. I always thought, what if I had to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and ran into one of MJ's mannequins! I would be screaming in horror! And, I am sure MJ would be laughing his buns off!:lol:

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!! Same here!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That would be a NIGHTMARE to walk across the room in the dark while having these "human like figures" around. :bugeyed I know I'd feel like they are all watching me and I'd be scared there was some real person hiding in the dark, pretending to be one of the mannequins. :bugeyed :lol: :lol: If I would have stayed overnight at MJ's place and would have needed to go to the bathroom at night I probably would have been like *sticks her head out the door to look for the bodyguards and whispering* "Security!!!! Seeeecuurityy!!! Hello?? Anyone there??!!"...and then be like "Hi...uhm...you think you could help me? :scratch:I'm scared to walk to the bathroom alone because of all these mannequins....so you think you could just stand here while the lights are on and wait for me? Thanks!!". :lol: :lol: Or I'd try to be brave and dive into the darkness alone, and then end up freaking out because of all the shadows from the mannequins and then not being able to move out of horror and crying like a baby for Michael..:lol: "Michael!!! Michael??!!! Michael, I'm scared!!! Help meeee!!!" :( :lol: :lol: The mannequins would freak me out at night, if I had to be in the same room with them when it's dark! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tha]

I'm afraid if I did that, I'd be caught feeling the thing up, trying to find my way in the dark....and MJ would beat me into the bathroom, crying laughing!

:lol:


:bugeyed :lol: :lol: :lol:



I KNOW!!!!!!!!!! Same here!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That would be a NIGHTMARE to walk across the room in the dark while having these "human like figures" around. :bugeyed I know I'd feel like they are all watching me and I'd be scared there was some real person hiding in the dark, pretending to be one of the mannequins. :bugeyed :lol: :lol: If I would have stayed overnight at MJ's place and would have needed to go to the bathroom at night I probably would have been like *sticks her head out the door to look for the bodyguards* "SECUUUURITYYYYYY!!!! SECUUURITYYYY!!! HELLO?? Anyone there??!!"...and then be like "Hi...uhm...you think you could help me? :scratch:I'm scared to walk to the bathroom alone because of all these mannequins....so you think you could just stand here while the lights are on and wait for me? Thanks!!". :lol: :lol: Or I'd try to be brave and dive into the darkness alone, and then end up freaking out because of all the shadows from the mannequins and then not being able to move out of horror and crying like a baby for Michael..:lol: "Michael!!! Michael??!!! Michael, I'm scared!!! Help meeee!!!" :( :lol: :lol: The mannequins would freak me out at night, if I had to be in the same room with them when it's dark! :lol: :lol: :lol:


I think I would leave a pot on my side in the bed, water, food, all I could feel and so need and I don't leave the room and I'll not scare with the mannequins! And it would be better Michael don't approach me if I was scared because I have a strange habit of hitting on people when I'm scared! :lol:

[LindaC781]

:lol:




I think I would leave a pot on my side in the bed, water, food, all I could feel and so need and I don't leave the room and I'll not scare with the mannequins! And it would be better Michael don't approach me if I was scared because I have a strange habit of hitting on people when I'm scared! :lol:

I changed my mind. If I were ever invited to spend the night at Neverland, I'd ask for a commode...right next to the bed. I don't trust myself. You know, it just dawned on me. Maybe he put those mannequins in there, just to invite people like myself to stay overnight, just for kicks. I know the man had a wicked sense of humor. I know I would. It would be hysterical, just to put cameras all over, and record people's reactions when they "bump" into em. Kinda like a "Punk'd"/"Are You Scared" MJ style....get some famous people in there, put the mannequins in strategic places, then film the reactions... Yeah, I am one sick woman, but I could see him doing this...

[tha]

I changed my mind. If I were ever invited to spend the night at Neverland, I'd ask for a commode...right next to the bed. I don't trust myself. You know, it just dawned on me. Maybe he put those mannequins in there, just to invite people like myself to stay overnight, just for kicks. I know the man had a wicked sense of humor. I could see him doing this...

Oh, yeah! He has a wicked sense of humor! But i love it!!! :D I hate being scared, but I love scaring people! :lol: I would love to give a big scare in Michael! I would love to see him scared! :lol: Then I give him my lap to calm him! :rolleyes2:
Oh, poor Mike! :wub:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:lol:




I think I would leave a pot on my side in the bed, water, food, all I could feel and so need and I don't leave the room and I'll not scare with the mannequins! And it would be better Michael don't approach me if I was scared because I have a strange habit of hitting on people when I'm scared! :lol:

Good idea! I think if I had to spend the night at neverland, I'd lock myself in my room until I saw daylight!:lol: Hey, you don't think MJ kept Neverland so scary on purpose so he could get fresh with the ladies like he did with Ola Ray in the Thriller video, do you? I could just see him saying, "Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close togetherrrrrrr ...":lol:

[tha]

Good idea! I think if I had to spend the night at neverland, I'd lock myself in my room until I saw daylight!:lol: Hey, you don't think MJ kept Neverland so scary on purpose so he could get fresh with the ladies like he did with Ola Ray in the Thriller video, do you? I could just see him saying, "Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close togetherrrrrrr ...":lol:

:lol: :lmao:

Yeah! It is possible!!!! :hysterical:

[Ape]

^his ladies in the dark? :lol:

[LindaC781]

^his ladies in the dark? :lol:

YEP!! A WHOLE NEW take on this thread!! LOL!!

[summer]

Good idea! I think if I had to spend the night at neverland, I'd lock myself in my room until I saw daylight!:lol: Hey, you don't think MJ kept Neverland so scary on purpose so he could get fresh with the ladies like he did with Ola Ray in the Thriller video, do you? I could just see him saying, "Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close togetherrrrrrr ...":lol:


:mello:

:scratch:

:bugeyed


;D

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I doubt it. :lol:


^his ladies in the dark? :lol:

:lol: :lol: Good one! :lol:



YEP!! A WHOLE NEW take on this thread!! LOL!!

I know, tell me about it! :lol: :lol:

[tha]

YEP!! A WHOLE NEW take on this thread!! LOL!!
:yes:
:lol:

[No-Body]

LOOOL @ the 'new take on the thread'. Great workin' hypothesis there Ape, Linda, MP, tha, everybody.

My oh my, did the thread grow wings or what? So many posts, so little time.


Big props to Sdeidjs for the wonderful post a few pages back with the God chart. That reminded me of some items on a shopping list of mine. They are related to this thread because they speak of love.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4598/leavesv.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4670/following.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7075/crazyloveg.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7739/crazylove2.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2189/trustf.jpg

This is from a collection called 'postcards from heaven'

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3538/lovecn.jpg

There was Nat King Cole music circulating around here, so I remembered a classic of his "When I fall in love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KghEqLvlyA

On Youtube I discovered another beautiful song; I wasn't familiar with this one though "Fly me to the moon" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EUcYw96us&feature=related I have to say though that I disagree with the 'worship and adore' part. Not only because of religious reasons, but I am reminded of the line in Philadelphia Story - I don't wanna be worshiped, I wanna be loved. I'm sure anyone would agree with that.

I also found a wonderful version of Smile done by Natalie Cole. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU-e3xtQ2GM&feature=related Natalie is great, but still, our man's version rules.

Speaking of whom, did anyone see all the new This is it movie trailers? It's really amazing how one man can make people go within the space of two minutes from giggles and laughter to butterflies (great song, btw). Tremendous, yet awesomely so right power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2oikdAQ79k pay attention to the title of the video "2nd pinguin move confirmed" LOL gotta love it.


And to end on a sweet note, here are a couple of pics from what is imho the best and most meaningful music video ever made. Having said that, the man doin' the preachin' wasn't half bad looking either while spreading the message.

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7769/depth.jpg

the thoughts behind the serious, deep look *is the forest burning behind me? don't mind it, just keep staring into my eyes and u'll get lost*

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/54/smiledm.jpg

whisperin' underneath the mischievous smile *you know you want me*.

Now that I took a second look, a question came to me - how come his makeup was picture purrfect, while the clothes reached such awful state? Didn't the same disaster hit? LOL The things one thinks of at such hours of the night, oh myyyy, I better go before I make an utter fool of meself.


Enjoy the pics folks and good night.

[Lainy]

Oh SOS! you make me so happy with this quote from Shakespeare! Thank you! I really love. :wub:

Sdeidjs, thank you for your beautiful words, God really has a positive answer to all our negative statements! Thank you! :flowers:

wow! Lily, very introspective your posts, and it is very pleasant to read, makes us think about things that go unnoticed in our daily life. You remind me sometimes a writer Clarice Lispector, natural Ukraine, but the Brazilian heart.

Linda, its very good reflection! :yes:

Ape, I loved your post the previous pages! I identified with his words. I'm trying to don't change who I am to please someone else, people need to accept each other exactly as they are.

Shabuya thanks for the pics! Michael so beautiful! :wub::wub:

I dont going to talk more, otherwise I'm going spend hours citing the points that I found interesting ... lol

But I must confess, I loud laughed reading the posts from Linda, Tha and MP on the mannequins of Michael... :lol:

[Sdeidjs]

I had some random thoughts again while grocery shopping this morning :ermm: LOL

Here it goes....


Do you ever think about
what feeds the soul?

Is it creating a work of art that you visualize in your mind and bring to life with patience and pure love to share with others?

Is it sitting still by the ocean shore with the sound of forceful waves crashing, yet below the surface there is a calm magical beauty and an abundance of life we are so unaware of?

Is it the vivid moon that illuminates the universe so brightly seen the same by each one of us no matter where in the world we stand or the sunset off in the distance that fades into the night behind rolling hills only to rise again at the dawning of a new day?

Or is it witnessing the miraculous beauty of nature all around with flowers blooming, birds singing sweet melodies, delicate butterflies taking to flight, or a grasshopper sitting on a leaf staring at you as you talk to it and all you can think to yourself is, “what is IT thinking”? LOL

Is it the precious cries, laughter and smiles from a child, emotions and pure love so innocent and untainted by a world they have yet to discover?

Is it simply a “hello” or “good morning” accompanied by a smile to a complete stranger that you pass by as you go about your day, or a gift of a warm coat or a meal to show someone that people DO still care?

Is it a gentle breeze that blows over your being as if it’s whispering to you the secrets of Mother Earth?

Is it one of the most beautiful natural wonders, a sign of hope, a rainbow that appears in the beauty of a waterfall or in the dark of a storm through tear drops that rain down from Heavens Angels and a brief ray of sunlight, like magic, it’s endless and can be seen by all for miles and miles?

Or is it lyrics of a song written by a complete stranger but it’s as if they were written just for you. Touching you so deep to your core as if to take you to a place that allows you to dream or maybe even someplace new that teaches you something still undiscovered about yourself? One of the most beautiful songs ever written imo says it all…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTQfERb9HVk


Absorbing Love, Life, Happiness and so much more.....Food for my soul…..:)

:punk:Impressive

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[Sdeidjs]

Here's some
food for thought. On the Internet, Michael can be himself, or even pretend to be someone else. He could communicate with some woman, and she wouldn't have a clue as to who he really is. That way, he could have "tested" her, find out things about her personality - and find out if she connects with him on a very raw level....she wouldn't know just who he is, but what if she told him that she loved him? After months of communicating, she got to know stuff about "him" and just found that connection, and stated how she felt? And he told her? But never told her exactly who he was?


Not all of us women or people are motivated by fame or money....we all have a chance to connect to one another on a very raw, very fundamental, very human level. What if she saw those things in him, without knowing exactly who it was she was talking to? And she didn't care either way?

:punk:

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[Sdeidjs]

Thank you MP. It is true.
I for one am not the type to be motivated by anything other than the true nature of someone's personality and good nature. If one is spiritually pure and is a good talker/listener, that means more to me than anything material on this earth.

:punk:

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[tha]

The pic of today:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/403/michaeljackson15.jpg

"God made Michael and lost the revenue!" :D :wub:

[Asedora]

Edit: Speaking of his name, is it just me, or does his name always look so perfect in print? I don't know what it is, is it because both his first name and last name each have the same number of letters in them? Is it also how the letters combine or something? Also, both his first and last name have two syllables. Real nice flow he's got to his name. It was like he was destined to be a star!

This is a very good point. You have a good ability to catch some important staff. Are you a a male or female? Just curious..:) Michael was and he is a mysterious figure in this world. His personal life had to be no less mysterious then his public appearance.
It is very true. I believe, every his lyrics has a double meaning. His relation with number 7 is a big mystery as well. The HIStory video clearly represents it (1:13).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93o05SrWzE

[Lainy]

I believe, every his lyrics has a double meaning. His relation with number 7 is a big mystery as well. The HIStory video clearly represents it

:yes: I agree with you!!

[tha]

Michael was and he is a mysterious figure in this world. His personal life had to be no less mysterious then his public appearance.
It is very true. I believe, every his lyrics has a double meaning. His relation with number 7 is a big mystery as well. The HIStory video clearly represents it (1:13).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93o05SrWzE

"Mystery" is his middle name! :rolleyes:

Number 7 and I think that number 9 too! :rolleyes2:


Lully :popout:

[Sdeidjs]

I also like surfing the net looking for news and interesting songs! ^_^



Wow!!! I loved this song! I had never heard it!!! I identified me with her it! :) And I think a friend of mine also identify with it! :rolleyes2:

Thanks again, Sdeidjs! ;)

Your very welcome...anything I can do to help...I am pleased that you are pleased.

I am always looking searching for unique, talented up and coming Artists...

The music industry is so very tough to break into...On a day to day basis I see/hear of soo many talented Artist (s)/Musicians/Bands that truly do not get the recognition they truly deserve...

If I come across a unique Artist/Musician/Bands that has great potential I pass the information along...and with a little bit of luck, being at the right place at the right time...I know they will eventually become in high demand...

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[Asedora]

"Mystery" is his middle name! :rolleyes:

Number 7 and I think that number 9 too! :rolleyes2:




Why number 9?

[tha]

The music industry is so very tough to break into...On a day to day basis I see/hear of soo many talented Artist (s)/Musicians/Bands that truly do not get the recognition they truly deserve...


You're right!


Why number 9?


I think the number 9 became very present after the "death" of him! Just pay attention! :rolleyes2:

[Asedora]

I think the number 9 became very present after the "death" of him! Just pay attention! :rolleyes2:



I am not that good at catching things like that. Can you pls explain a bit better?

[Sdeidjs]

"Mystery" is his middle name! :rolleyes:

Number 7 and I think that number 9 too! :rolleyes2:


Lully :popout:

In classical antiquity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity):


Seven against Thebes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_against_Thebes)
Seven Emperors (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Emperors&action=edit&redlink=1) (and period; Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome), history)

Julius Caesar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar), Augustus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus), Galba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galba), Hadrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian), Nerva (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerva), Sallust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sallust), Vespasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespasian)


Seven hills of Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome)
Seven Liberal Arts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Liberal_Arts)
Seven Sages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sages)
Seven Wonders of the ancient world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Wonders_of_the_ancient_world)
The number of palms in an Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt) Sacred Cubit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit).


In religion

Bahá'í



The mystical text The Seven Valleys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Valleys), by the Prophet-Founder Bahá'u'lláh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h), relates the journey of the soul through the seven "valleys" of Search, Love, Knowledge, Unity, Contentment, Wonderment, and finally True Poverty and Absolute Nothingness.

Christianity

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Seven_Days_of_Creation_-_1765.jpg/200px-Seven_Days_of_Creation_-_1765.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seven_Days_of_Creation_-_1765.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Seven_Days_of_Creation_-_1765.jpg)
Seven Days of Creation - 1765 book




The number seven (7) in the seven days of Creation is typological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_%28theology%29) and the number seven appears commonly elsewhere in the Bible. These include:


Seven days of Creation (Genesis 1). God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God) rested on and sanctified the seventh day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_day) (Sabbath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Sabbath))
Seven years of plenty and seven years of famine in Pharaoh's dream (Genesis 41)
Seven days of the feast of Passover (Exodus 13:3-10)
Seven day week and the pattern concerning distribution and use of manna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna) (Exodus 16)
Seven year cycle around the years of Jubilee (Leviticus 25)
The fall of the walls of Jericho on the seventh day after marching around the city seven times(Joshua 6)
Seven things the LORD hates (Proverbs 6:16-19)
Seven loaves multiplied into seven baskets of surplus (Matthew 15:32-37)
The Seven last words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross) (or seven last sayings) of Jesus on the cross.
Seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom (Acts 6:3)
Seven Spirits of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Spirits_of_God) are mentioned in the Book of Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation).
Seven churches of Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_churches_of_Asia) to which the "Book of Revelation" is addressed.
Seven churches, seven stars, seven seals, seven last plagues, seven vials or bowls, seven thunders in the Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

Other sevens in Christian knowledge and practice include:

The number of Archangels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangels)

The Seven Sacraments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacraments) in the Catholic faith (though some traditions assign a different number).
Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit)
The Seven Joys of the Virgin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Joys_of_the_Virgin) Mary, of Roman Catholic, Anglican, and other traditions.
The Seven Sorrows of the Virgin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Sorrows) Mary, of Roman Catholic, Anglican, and other traditions.
The Seven Corporal Acts of Mercy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_of_Mercy) and Seven Spiritual Acts of Mercy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_of_Mercy) of Roman Catholic, Anglican, and other traditions.
The Seven Virtues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Virtues): chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, kindness, patience, and humility
The Seven deadly sins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins): lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride.
The seven terraces of Mount Purgatory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory) (one per deadly sin).
In the genealogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy) in the Gospel of Luke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke), Jesus is 77th in a direct line.
The number of heads of the three beasts (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_three_beasts&action=edit&redlink=1) (7 × 10 × 7 + 7 × 10 × 10 + 7 × 10 = 1260) of the Book of Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation), and of some other monsters, like the hydra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lernaean_Hydra) and the number of seals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_seals).
In the New Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament), the Gospel of Matthew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew) 18:21, Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) says to Peter to forgive seventy times seven times.
Source: Wicki


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[8701girl]

Here's some food for thought. On the Internet, Michael can be himself, or even pretend to be someone else. He could communicate with some woman, and she wouldn't have a clue as to who he really is. That way, he could have "tested" her, find out things about her personality - and find out if she connects with him on a very raw level....she wouldn't know just who he is, but what if she told him that she loved him? After months of communicating, she got to know stuff about "him" and just found that connection, and stated how she felt? And he told her? But never told her exactly who he was?


I think thats the very same reason why he always weared disguises when he went out. It wasnt just cuz he wanted the press to leave him alone, it was also i guess another way for him to see how the ppl reacted to& bout him. whether they were bad or good.

[SoS]

Aaaw thanks queen g! :hug: And thanks for having faith for me...since I don't. :lol: I think my ship has already sailed. :timer:






No...MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! :clapping: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:P




No, I didn't really think about it from that point of view....I was actually first just trying to reply to the post asking why he couldn't contact someone he loved (or maybe "love" is too strong of a word, if it was someone he didn't know THAT well...maybe a "crush" could be a better word?). So you know, I was trying to think of an example of how someone could have a crush on a person and NOT be able to contact them. So I came up with the "Disney store person" idea...But then that reminded me of something that happened to me when I was younger (the "coffee story" happened about 13 years ago...:lol:) so I decided to share that because in my opinion it was a good example of how you can like someone and have brief contact...but then not be able to contact them anymore. So you know, I thought if something like that happens to "normal" people...why not MJ?



Yeah, how dare you guys have a life! :mello: :lol: :lol: (I'm just kidding! :P :lol:)



I do think about stuff like that...but what I keep thinking about the most is what our PURPOUSE of being here is. I mean...when you think how big the universe is. Why are WE here? Is our purpouse to go to school, go to work...eat, sleep, study/work...and then die? And then the next generation does it all over again? I mean, is there some "ultimate goal" for our planet and for us? And then also...they say the universe keeps expanding...but if it does...where is it expanding TO? Doesn't that mean there is something BEYOND the universe..? :scratch:But could that be? :scratch:Anyways. :lol:I hear you ;) . I get the feeling from the song, that he is acknowledging that he felt something toward "her" (if there is a "her") which he felt "she" (if there is a "she") also felt toward him, but also felt he had not gotten quite sufficiently validated by her for various reasons until she apparently told him certain things eg., (You said you wanted to go with me all the while) and so he realized that he was right about that feeling of "knowing" her all along, ...ya know, like how you encounter someone who seems so "familiar" that somehow it seems you've known them FOREVER ? (Seems as though I've known you since a thousand years) while at the same time, it seems (from other songs and maybe this one) that he's trying to figure out why is it that since he was right about her why did she act the opposite. That's why I felt your story fit. :)


Some of these posts have been so thoughtful, like Lily's today, and Linda's. I hope I don't take things in a wrong direction here, but I very well may be. (I want you to know before I post this next little thing that it does not represent me, in fact it is quite out of character, but here) :giggle:

Anyway, remember you guys talkin' about "coincidences" and how when MJ went out and about to do his shopping it seems like at times he was getting messages across to us in this thread, or maybe at times a message to "her" ITIAH (meaning "If there is a 'her'" as opposed to ITIAS, "If there is a "she"). You know, like the roses on the note, and the bright green jacket after the discussion on wearing green glow in the dark shirts, and Butterfly fairy chandeliers and fluffy feathery black fairy/butterfly/birdie lookin' lapel pins. All that.

So my question is, was the MANNEQUIN a "message?"

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4646/mannequinl.jpg

Paps to mannequin propped into front seat of car:

"Are you hot in there?"
"Any comments about Michael?"
"Can you breathe?"
:huh: OKaayyy... So..."some" people do chuckle every now and then! :smilerolleyes:



OK the photos lesseee hmm :rolleyes:

ok well..

The first photo relates to For All Time - do you see the way the sun is slowly 'coming up' on him ..? ... as in, "sun comes up on this new morning"

The second one is easy - 2000 Watts :)
"you may now apply your 3-D glasses"

The third one, okay, well, the picture inside the circle depicts Break of Dawn (as, once again, the sun has risen upon him),

The picture outside the circle is all about, Threatened, which we spoke about earlier, eg., "every time your lady speaks she speaks to me"

Allof them lead to my favorite and most comical rock song of all time - that being,

State of Shock ..

... got me "catatonic" ... got me "paralyzed"

;) get it? "catatonic??" ..."paralyzed"??


mannequins?






:lmao:





Okay enough 'corn' :giggle:

I guess this would be a good time as any for some more good music LOL!


I do think about stuff like that...but what I keep thinking about the most is what our PURPOUSE of being here is. I mean...when you think how big the universe is. Why are WE here? Is our purpouse to go to school, go to work...eat, sleep, study/work...and then die? And then the next generation does it all over again? I mean, is there some "ultimate goal" for our planet and for us? And then also...they say the universe keeps expanding...but if it does...where is it expanding TO? Doesn't that mean there is something BEYOND the universe..? :scratch:But could that be? :scratch:Speaking of our purpose for being here, I'm still at this question in life and I LOVE this song from one of the earlier albums, where Michael at 12..!.. is telling us how to go about finding out why we are here, living this life, with his lil 'ole soul' :wub: *smiles*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rWeqVihOnY

Michael and his brothers sing this very spiritual song together.

Michael's voice is PURELY AMAZING! All the brothers! This is such an AMAZING song.

"find that tree of wisdom ...find out why you're livin'... reach in! ...into your soul!! oh!! reach in!! ...... and let love shine in!" :listeningtomusic:

LOVE it, love it, LOVE IT! :wub: Its very healing and enlightening song, I feel.

[Ape]

If you all could humour me and take a look? It's not to do with this thread.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2297441#post2297441

Just something I wanted to share with you guys here because I don't usually venture out into ANYTHING else here anymore.

[No-Body]

Ape, my friend, thanks for posting the link. It's something you have every right to be proud of. THANK YOU for spreading the message. This is something that needs not be overlooked, it is far too important. I'll access the links later and get back to you in that thread. God bless you and your family.

[SoS]

If you all could humour me and take a look? It's not to do with this thread.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2297441#post2297441

Just something I wanted to share with you guys here because I don't usually venture out into ANYTHING else here anymore. I didn't think you'd mind, I posted some of the links so people could take a quicker look.


Tumaini is actually his personal sequel to a documentary type film he had made a few years ago titled "E for Everybody" like the movie rating.

http://www.unveilstudios.com/ take a look. I can't highlight there to copy past anything, but if you follow that to their productions, and click on the movie and info, it explains what it's about and you can watch clips of their documentary which one two awards but I can't read to see which ones..lol.

They also have a a website about more things they are doing and how we can help http://www.saveafricanow.org/documentary/index.html . and http://saveafricanow.org/v2/about/howitbegan.html where they are building orphanage, health care, schools, nursery, etc etc. You have to see it. They are doing what Michael wanted to do (from the sounds of it).

http://andrewkooman.com/ This is someone who is also a founder of the http://www.unveilstudios.com (http://www.unveilstudios.com/)I, as you hopefully are aware, am so happy for you and am feeling a great sense of gratitude in your behalf that what started out as just "an acting opportunity" turned out to be an amazing blessed experience. Something very proud for you also to share with your kids when they're older.

I feel its not only falling in line with what Michael is about, it also falls in line with what I feel you are about, meaning that I feel you want what you do to go beyond just you if at all possible, because you (also) are so deep and there is nothing better than God giving you such HUGE NOD on your desire to act, and in a way that fulfills not only that desire, but includes the serrendipity of a larger purpose. SUCH an amazing blessing!

You can just never know how completely filled I am with pride and gratitude at The Heavens, for you, because I know, that for a first experience in acting, it just couldn't get any-much-more better than this.

"E for Everybody" - HOW cool is that! :wub:

DEEP congratulations to you and to all on this beautiful and special project. :wub:

Thanks again also, for sharing this fantastic film company with us! Its nice to know such things exist. Please don't forget me at trailer time. :) :angel:

[Ape]

:D Thank you SOS :) The last couple times I mentioned it in here it wasn't noticed so I wasn't going to post anything about it in here again but you all are my friends so I wanted to share.

SOS and Shabuya You've really touched my heart here with your support. I was just so proud of Steve (the writer) after I found all this info out that I wanted to share it. He's so humble too. Never really talks about what he's done or is doing but I think he should. People should know about this stuff. Us Canadians often are too humble to toot our own horns or share things we are doing that we are proud of. (though I did here..lol). It seems to be a Canadian thing.
SOS, it's not my first experience in acting, just my first big film experience as anything other than an extra, and I jumped right into one of the main roles :) .
I'm so touched by what you've said here. Thank you for that.
About the trailers.. the good ones are coming. For now they just did a really quick one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H555elAaUI

EDIT: LoL, funny how things work. He just wrote on my facebook wall to share this link with me http://www.a-better-world.ca/ . I had asked him if there are things my kids and myself can do right now to help out and he shared that link. They have zero overhead. 100% of the money goes towards helping out all over the world where it is needed. I just got the link so I haven't looked much yet. This is just what Steve wrote on my wall and I wanted to pass it on. :-) IT'S GETTING THERE!!! This world really does have hope :)

Oh, the tagline for our film is "Leave a Little Room for Hope"

[Sdeidjs]

Goodness Gracious Ape...that is absolutly fabulous...I remember a few months ago you mentioning something about you acting in a movie. That is sooo very cool...

It has been a bit hectic here today so I have not had alot of extra time to read/post...I would like to review the links you posted in their entirity...I am excited and cannot wait to see what you have been up too all this time...

:punk:Congrads...

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[Sdeidjs]

Although I have not verified if this is indeed a true story...None the less...this is an intriguing story that was emailed to me today. I felt that the context (meat) of this story fits into this thread perfectly...

"How God Works In Mysterious Ways" called...

The Table Cloth

The brand new pastor and his wife, newly assigned to their first ministry, to reopen a church in suburban Brooklyn , arrived in early October excited about their opportunities. When they saw their church, it was very run down and needed much work They set a goal to have everything done in time to have their first service on Christmas Eve.

They worked hard, repairing pews, plastering walls, painting, etc, and on December 18 were ahead of schedule and just about finished.

On December 19 a terrible tempest - a driving rainstorm hit the area and lasted for two days.

On the 21st, the pastor went over to the church.His heart sank when he saw that the roof has leaked, causing a large area of plaster about 20 feet by 8 feet to fall off the front wall of the sanctuary just behind the pulpit, beginning about head high.

The pastor cleaned up the mess on the floor, and not knowing what else to do but postpone the Christmas Eve service, headed home. On the way he noticed that a local business was having a flea market type sale for charity, so he stopped in. One of the items was a beautiful, handmade, ivory colored, crocheted tablecloth with exquisite work, fine colors and a Cross embroidered right in the center. It was just the right size to cover the hole in the front wall. He bought it and headed back to the church.

By this time it had started to snow. An older woman running from the opposite direction was trying to catch the bus. She missed it. The pastor invited her to wait in the warm church for the next bus 45 minutes later.

She sat in a pew and paid no attention to the pastor while he got a ladder, hangers, etc., to put up the tablecloth as a wall tapestry. The pastor could hardly believe how beautiful it looked and it covered up the entire problem area.

Then he noticed the woman walking down the center aisle. Her face was like a sheet. "Pastor,"she asked, "where did you get that tablecloth?" The pastor explained. The woman asked him to check the lower right corner to see if the initials, EBG were crocheted into it there. They were. These were the initials of the woman, and she had made this tablecloth 35 years before, in Austria .

The woman could hardly believe it as the pastor told how he had just gotten "The Tablecloth". The woman explained that before the war she and her husband were well-to-do people in Austria .. When the Nazis came, she was forced to leave. Her husband was going to follow her the next week. He was captured, sent to prison and never saw her
husband or her home again.

The pastor wanted to give her the tablecloth; but she made the pastor keep it for the church. The pastor insisted on driving her home. That was the least he could do. She lived on the other side of Staten Island and was only in Brooklyn for the day for a housecleaning job.

What a wonderful service they had on Christmas Eve. The church was almost full. The music and the spirit were great. At the end of the service, the pastor and his wife greeted everyone at the doorand many said that they would return.

One older man, whom the pastor recognized from the neighborhood continued to sit in one of the pews and stare, and the pastor wondered why he wasn't leaving.

The man asked him where he got the tablecloth on the front wall because it was identical to one that his wife had made years ago when they lived in Austria before the war and how could there be two tablecloths so much alike?

He told the pastor how the Nazis came, how he forced his wife to flee for her safety and he was
supposed to follow her, but he was arrested and put in a prison. He never saw his wife or his home again all the 35 years between.

The pastor asked him if he would allow him to take him for a little ride. They drove to Staten Island and to the same house where the pastor had taken the woman three days earlier.

He helped the man climb the three flights of stairs to the woman's apartment, knocked on
the door and he saw the greatest Christmas reunion he could ever imagine.

True Story - submitted by Pastor Rob Reid who says God does work in mysterious ways.

I asked the Lord to bless you as I prayed for you today, to guide you and protect you as you go along your way. His love is always with you. His promises are true, and when we give Him all our cares we know He will see us through.

So when the road you're traveling seems difficult at best, just remember I'm here praying and God will do the rest. Pass this on to those you want God to bless and remember to send it back to the one who asked God to bless
you first.

When there is nothing left but God, that is when you find out that God is all you need Take 60
seconds and give this a shot! All you do is simply say the following small prayer for the person
who sent this to you.

Father, God, bless all my friends and family in what ever it is that You know they may be needing this day! May their lives be full of Your peace, prosperity and power as they seek to have a closer relationship with You. Amen.

Then send it on to five other people, including the one who sent it to you.. Within hours five people have prayed for you and you caused a multitude of people to pray for other people Then, sit back and watch the power of God work in your life.

P. S. Five is good, but more is better.

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[lulubelle]

I love reading this thread. All of you seem to be very creative and insightful people. :)

[cleopatra1975]

wow ape thats amazing.i can remember you once wrote about it here.the trailer also is very catchy..I hope that God opens you more doors and windows in your life.
btw sdeidjs thank you for sharing the nice story. very touching.
God bless you all.

[No-Body]

Although I have not verified if this is indeed a true story...None the less...this is an intriguing story that was emailed to me today. I felt that the context (meat) of this story fits into this thread perfectly...

"How God Works In Mysterious Ways" called...

The Table Cloth

The brand new pastor and his wife, newly assigned to their first ministry, to reopen a church in suburban Brooklyn , arrived in early October excited about their opportunities. When they saw their church, it was very run down and needed much work They set a goal to have everything done in time to have their first service on Christmas Eve.

They worked hard, repairing pews, plastering walls, painting, etc, and on December 18 were ahead of schedule and just about finished.

On December 19 a terrible tempest - a driving rainstorm hit the area and lasted for two days.

On the 21st, the pastor went over to the church.His heart sank when he saw that the roof has leaked, causing a large area of plaster about 20 feet by 8 feet to fall off the front wall of the sanctuary just behind the pulpit, beginning about head high.

The pastor cleaned up the mess on the floor, and not knowing what else to do but postpone the Christmas Eve service, headed home. On the way he noticed that a local business was having a flea market type sale for charity, so he stopped in. One of the items was a beautiful, handmade, ivory colored, crocheted tablecloth with exquisite work, fine colors and a Cross embroidered right in the center. It was just the right size to cover the hole in the front wall. He bought it and headed back to the church.

By this time it had started to snow. An older woman running from the opposite direction was trying to catch the bus. She missed it. The pastor invited her to wait in the warm church for the next bus 45 minutes later.

She sat in a pew and paid no attention to the pastor while he got a ladder, hangers, etc., to put up the tablecloth as a wall tapestry. The pastor could hardly believe how beautiful it looked and it covered up the entire problem area.

Then he noticed the woman walking down the center aisle. Her face was like a sheet. "Pastor,"she asked, "where did you get that tablecloth?" The pastor explained. The woman asked him to check the lower right corner to see if the initials, EBG were crocheted into it there. They were. These were the initials of the woman, and she had made this tablecloth 35 years before, in Austria .

The woman could hardly believe it as the pastor told how he had just gotten "The Tablecloth". The woman explained that before the war she and her husband were well-to-do people in Austria .. When the Nazis came, she was forced to leave. Her husband was going to follow her the next week. He was captured, sent to prison and never saw her
husband or her home again.

The pastor wanted to give her the tablecloth; but she made the pastor keep it for the church. The pastor insisted on driving her home. That was the least he could do. She lived on the other side of Staten Island and was only in Brooklyn for the day for a housecleaning job.

What a wonderful service they had on Christmas Eve. The church was almost full. The music and the spirit were great. At the end of the service, the pastor and his wife greeted everyone at the doorand many said that they would return.

One older man, whom the pastor recognized from the neighborhood continued to sit in one of the pews and stare, and the pastor wondered why he wasn't leaving.

The man asked him where he got the tablecloth on the front wall because it was identical to one that his wife had made years ago when they lived in Austria before the war and how could there be two tablecloths so much alike?

He told the pastor how the Nazis came, how he forced his wife to flee for her safety and he was
supposed to follow her, but he was arrested and put in a prison. He never saw his wife or his home again all the 35 years between.

The pastor asked him if he would allow him to take him for a little ride. They drove to Staten Island and to the same house where the pastor had taken the woman three days earlier.

He helped the man climb the three flights of stairs to the woman's apartment, knocked on
the door and he saw the greatest Christmas reunion he could ever imagine.

True Story - submitted by Pastor Rob Reid who says God does work in mysterious ways.

I asked the Lord to bless you as I prayed for you today, to guide you and protect you as you go along your way. His love is always with you. His promises are true, and when we give Him all our cares we know He will see us through.

So when the road you're traveling seems difficult at best, just remember I'm here praying and God will do the rest. Pass this on to those you want God to bless and remember to send it back to the one who asked God to bless
you first.

When there is nothing left but God, that is when you find out that God is all you need Take 60
seconds and give this a shot! All you do is simply say the following small prayer for the person
who sent this to you.

Father, God, bless all my friends and family in what ever it is that You know they may be needing this day! May their lives be full of Your peace, prosperity and power as they seek to have a closer relationship with You. Amen.

Then send it on to five other people, including the one who sent it to you.. Within hours five people have prayed for you and you caused a multitude of people to pray for other people Then, sit back and watch the power of God work in your life.

P. S. Five is good, but more is better.

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Sdeidjs, does this count as sending the message back? :D Thank you ever so much. That was truly beautiful.



I was going over some pictures I took last year around this time during a pilgrimage to Rome and I found the pic of a great tablecloth that goes well with what you just posted. It has a very true message

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4497/fragile.jpg

God sure does work in mysterious ways - last year during mid-October I was going to my spiritual home (I truly felt at home when I stepped into Saint Peter's Square), this year I went to a different kind of home. I wonder what next October will bring.


Anyways, I also wanted to share with you a video that fits right into Ape's and Sdeidjs' posts. I actually cried when I first saw it. It is about the true value of solidarity. It shows that in life one needs not strive to be the first, but to help the brothers do their best as Janet sang so beautifully in Rhythm nation. True joy is in giving and whoever wants to be great in the kingdom of heaven must become servant of all, just as the Son of God came to serve and not be served.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD35EXkAHW0



And since I was talkin' about beauty earlier, I can't believe I missed some gorgeous pictures in the thread http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78645 Breathtaking really.

And now I went and discovered another set. Just gorgeous, I can't believe that after 17 years Smooth criminal appears equally amazing, what am I saying? It's like the turning of juice to great red wine, keeps getting better.

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/09102013292a7811bea4f2af7b.jpg

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/0910201329f55e26376265cbfc.jpg

It feels as though a strange kind of peace has come over this thread doesn't it? The quiet times are great and are sooo needed every now and then.

A tiny miracle just happened to me cause I wasn't feeling very well, but I had made a promise and I had to keep it, so in spite of my doubts I managed to write some things. Thank you all for reading, good night and God bless.

[Lainy]

Sdeidjs and Shabuya, thanks for the posts, was very pleasant to read. Michael sooooooo gorgeous in these pics!!! :wub:

Hum...
:wild:
I think I know who is the woman that Michael mentions in the This is It song, he's until already is engaged! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DztmdXnVRgyg&ru

Ok ladies, this was to relax a bit. :giggle:
he was so cute... :wub::wub: