Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Moddie777]

If you really read very closely the official discription of the Invincible drawing from Uri, posted by Ape in this thread, you will come to the realization that EVERYTHING we've been saying in this thread and the original links back to that drawing!
7 years ago, Michael knew what was to come. Imagine that.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ good point!!!:D

[Ape]

7 , there we go, that magic number... (it was 7 years ago??wow, I guess it was).

7 11... I think we all need to go buy some slurpies. (sorry, not to make light.. just when something is very heavy, it helps to lighten it a bit)

It's sometimes too much to wrap ones head around, though it is all there. I do believe some of what is written about that drawing is a bit.. um... well can be taken the wrong way I think.

So... why Angel 2000? why the 2000 was that when it was drawn? Did an angel help draw it? Does elle or Lelle represent Geller? Was Uri talking about a woman when he said that Invincible has now found an outside grounding source or whatever he said?

[TialovesMJ]

This is getting interesting!!!:)

[Moddie777]

Ape, I hope this will help a little to understand the significance of Angel 2000, this is only my take on it anyone can give their own insight but here is what I believe. Remember in the original post, AllforMJ pointed out how Michael is guided by the "light"?, I believe in the Invincible drawing the word "Angel" represent "Light", "The heavens above", and all things spiritual and Godly. In other words during a certian period in Michael's life (2000), he was at the start of completely reaching to God through prayer to help guide him towards what he wanted most of all( her back into his life for good, this time). My guess is, 2000 must have been the year that it all became clear to him as to "how" these things would manifest.
As for elle, I don't remember seeing that, I will look again more closely.

[Ape]

Okey dokie shmokies. So a friend of mine has informed me that elle could be representing God again. El as in El Shaddai, or Elohim. Quite possibly it is ....oh interesting...So he has the trinity covered in there. GOD in capital letters by the fish who also represents God does it not? (and is significant to me for certain reasons I'll just leave out) Then he has the Hebrew letter SHIN, he says, that represents God, as well as in small letters elle to quite possibly also represent God :). Father Son and Holy Spirit?

[Sasha01]

Okey dokie shmokies. So a friend of mine has informed me that elle could be representing God again. El as in El Shaddai, or Elohim. Quite possibly it is ....oh interesting...So he has the trinity covered in there. GOD in capital letters by the fish who also represents God does it not? (and is significant to me for certain reasons I'll just leave out) Then he has the Hebrew letter SHIN, he says, that represents God, as well as in small letters elle to quite possibly also represent God :). Father Son and Holy Spirit?
oOoooOOO DIIING could be! :o I am loving this unfolding, unwrapping.. of mystery.. lol :lol::shifty:

[summer]

oOoooOOO DIIING could be! :o I am loving this unfolding, unwrapping.. of mystery.. lol :lol::shifty:

Do you want a Mystery Drink to go with that? :cheers: :lmao: :lmao:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iyXiSTJDew

[AllForMJ]

There is something very spiritual about the "Invincible" CD. And it is interesting that he added the picture that Uri drew. It's deep.
:yes:

[AllForMJ]

There's something else that I'm noticing about "You Are My Life." He added the word "now" to the line "You're my daytime, my nighttime, my world." He said it at the end of this line. This means that she become his daytime, nighttime and world after all the things she did for him.

He also added the words "I love you" to the song. The words "I love you" are not even in the lyrics. He added them while he was adlibbing. By adding the words "I love you," love is now coming from her and him in this song.

And again, the song "You Are My Life" is the song on the "Invincible" CD that has been coming to fruition. Different things have actually taken place in his life that shows that it is.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

AllForMj, what can you tell me about the song, The Way You Love Me?

What was going on in his life when he wrote it and was it the last new song he released? I haven't followed MJ for that long, so I am not that familair with this song, or lots of things really. I don't know much about what he was doing between 2000 and 2007, for example, and I would guess the song was written between those years? I have just been listening to The Way You Love Me today on YouTube. I like it.
From looking at the booklet that comes with "The Ultimate Collection" box set, he started working on "The Way You Love Me" in 2000. He finished it and released it in 2004 while he was going through the court stuff. I guess something made him decide to put it away back in 2000. He's mentioned before that he doesn't sing anything that he doesn't mean. So, maybe he decided to not put it on the "Invincible" CD because he wasn't feeling like that at the time. If we listen to the "Invincible" CD that he released in 2001, we'll notice that most of the songs are sad. If we look back at 2001, we will notice that he was very emotional back then. He was crying a lot. He was crying while recording and also crying in front of people. He even started crying in "Living With Michael Jackson" in 2003.

Because of the line "No more tears. No more pain. 'Cause you love" in the song "You Are My Life," the song "The Way You Love Me" and "You Are My Life" are now linking together.

What's also interesting is he placed "The Way You Love Me" side by side with "Beautiful Girl." These are the last two love songs on the last CD of "The Ultimate Collection" box set. "Beautiful Girl" is about him being in love. "The Way You Love Me" is about him being loved. In "You Are My Life," he was saying there would be no more tears because she loves him. In "The Way You Love Me" he said she took his hand and told him she loves him. Now, notice that in the present day the tears have stopped.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Yes, because what I notice about this song, The Way You Love Me, is that I feel happy inside while/after listening to it. *smiles* It's a happy tune.

Beautiful Girl was also released in this box set you are mentioning here? If I remember it correctly it does not feel sad at all either. I'll go find it on YouTube and listen to it again. Do you think he was referring to the same girl in both songs...or does the Beautiful Girl seem more like someone he admired for her looks but it did not go further than that?
Because he says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you" in "Beautiful Girl," it seems like he's been doing things to try to make her see that he has feelings for her. In this song he had also said "She never knows." So, that too would make it seem like he was trying to get her to see it.

Also, he didn't mention anything in the song that indicates it was about her looks. He was pointing out how being in love with her feels to him. He basically said that being in love with her is almost like making love to her. He points this out in the line where he says, "It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms. It's just a part of it."

In "Beautiful Girl" he also says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you? Real love with you. Real love." This would go beyond her physical appearance.

I'd say "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me" are about the same person because in "The Way You Love Me" he said "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." Well, if she brought love into his life and he's thanking the Heavens above for her, then he would also be in love with her too, and "Beautiful Girl" is about being in love.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

So do you think it is possible that if it is a Divine Love then a man can love the same woman for years on end without it being reciprocated, while he waits in faith for God to bring them together? Is Michael Jackson made of the stuff that would enable him to stay true to that? Not many could do it, wouldn't you think?
It seems like he has been waiting from listening to the part in "Hold My Hand" were he's singing "So, tell me what we're waiting for? We're better off being together." Also from looking at the way that he hasn't been seen with anyone for a while, what he is saying, and what we've been seeing, shows he is waiting for her. In "The Way You Love Me" he is pointing out that the love is being reciprocated.

We have to remember that Michael Jackson is a man that has been through a lot. There have been many obstacles in his way. He's a man that has had many women flocking to him over the years and they've been coming to him for many different reasons. It's humanly impossible for him to sort through all of them. He's also been married twice and divorced twice. He's had his heart broken numerous times. If he's made up his mind that he wants God to pick his woman for him and he feels that God has done so, do you think he would then bypass her? It would defeat the whole purpose of asking God to take the lead.

Also, it is not uncommon for a divorcé (i.e., a divorced man) to take his time starting over. Divorce is not fun. Neither is heartbreak. He's a divorcé/parent and he doesn't seem like the type that throws his children to the side to go out and meet women. When you combine all of this together, what else is there to do except ask God?

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

And the song, Someone Put Your Hand Out, is this the first song where he speaks of a "divine love' or his longing for it? When was this song written? And he seems to be being a bit broader here, extending this invitation to "some" girl out there...not a particular one he has in mind. What's going on at this time...has the girl not come in the picture yet, or has he moved on or given up on her temporarily?
He officially released "Someone Put Your Hand Out" in 2004 with "The Ultimate Collection" box set. The booklet says it was recorded in '92. In this song it sounds like he's basically opening up about his wants and needs. Like he's just being honest about it.

Also, notice that not only does he mention wanting a love that's divine, but he also mentions love being blind in this song. I also remember LaToya saying that physical appearance is not the most important thing to him. I can't remember her exact words though.

As for when he first said he's longing for a love that's so divine? It's hard to know without listening to every single song that he's recorded during his career. But "Someone Put Your Hand Out" is the only song in the box set where he says it. Since it seems to be very important to him, he's probably mentioned it in other ways.

[TialovesMJ]

I am loving this!!!!:D

[Moddie777]

I am sure this has been discussed already but I wasn't a member then and this also applies with the theme of this thread and the original.
It apparently was a BIG deal for Michael to release "Thriller 25", when he did. February 12 2008. The song "For all Time" with its newly added bridge was a sweet and loving gift to her. It was her valentine gift from him. New releases are always released on a Tuesday( Feb. 12th, just 2 days before valentine's day). This is what I hear in the added bridge:
oh on this quiet day
where two souls embrace
so silently
oh the rain may wash away
In the marketing of this rerelease of Thriller, it was pointed out over and over again, how MIchael worked on this song himself! It was even pointed out by Sony in th original press release. He wanted her and anybody elese to know, just how important their love and committment is to him in his life as it stands now.
When Michael sings of souls embracing, he is talking about being one with someone, to be one is to unite in holy matrimony. When he sings of rain washing away, he is saying, where there were tears in the past, the tears will be no more. The words "quiet" and "silent", indicate to me, this union will not get played out in the media. He holds this woman and this love in a much higher standard than that.

[Ape]

awwwww :wub: I never knew that. wow. I never knew the importance of "For All Time" I always loved that song from when I first heard it online years ago and was happy to see it had been released finally. I didn't even know it was a new bridge. :) That is very special.

:)Thank you for sharing that with us all Moddie. I guess I missed the last couple years of what's happened. I'm sure glad I came back.

[TialovesMJ]

I never knew that either...I am glad you guys share this stuff with us!!!:) :yes:

[LindaC781]

You guys are even MORE hopelessly romantic than I thought previously!! LOL!

[Ape]

oh you have NOOOO idea Linda.. :lol:

(For all time is presently being played on repeat!)

I want to add some things that I was discussing with a friend of mine the other day. Some insight. I have to make sure I get it right. I'll be back!

[TialovesMJ]

^^ I can't wait for you to share this with us :)

[AllForMJ]

Yes, the new bridge added a very sweet touch. It's very serene. And the timing of this song was very beautiful indeed. He's a total sweetie, isn't he?

If their souls are embracing to the point that he can feel it, then she has not been hurting his, and God has provided her with guidelines on how not to. MJ was going through a very crucial time in his life. There was no room at all for errors of any sort. God is about precision. And that's how you can tell that God played a major role in it. Just look at the outcome. MJ's plight is over.

In "One More Chance" he said, "Come and rescue me out of this storm." In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" he said, "Save me now of what still remains."

It's been done. It's obvious that it has been done because he, his family, his friends and his fans are happy now.
:yes:

God is good.

[Moddie777]

You guys are even MORE hopelessly romantic than I thought previously!! LOL!


Hey Linda, its all Michael's fault. He is the one sharing all his romantic business with us, lol.

[Moddie777]

awwwww :wub: I never knew that. wow. I never knew the importance of "For All Time" I always loved that song from when I first heard it online years ago and was happy to see it had been released finally. I didn't even know it was a new bridge. :) That is very special.

:)Thank you for sharing that with us all Moddie. I guess I missed the last couple years of what's happened. I'm sure glad I came back.

This one song its timing and added bridge speaks volumes. Ver important song to Michael.

[Moddie777]

Yes, the new bridge added a very sweet touch. It's very serene. And the timing of this song was very beautiful indeed. He's a total sweetie, isn't he?

If their souls are embracing to the point that he can feel it, then she has not been hurting his, and God has provided her with guidelines on how not to. MJ was going through a very crucial time in his life. There was no room at all for errors of any sort. God is about precision. And that's how you can tell that God played a major role in it. Just look at the outcome. MJ's plight is over.

In "One More Chance" he said, "Come and rescue me out of this storm." In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" he said, "Save me now of what still remains."

It's been done. It's obvious that it has been done because he, his family, his friends and his fans are happy now.
:yes:

God is good.
Yes! He is a total sweetie. and absolutely, God is good.

[Ape]

Has anyone seen an article titled "Ten Things Michael Likes"? It was mentioned to me but I've never seen it. I wondered if it could be posted or something.

Anyways.. I guess Innocence was on that list :) ..and in "Search for my Star" from Dancing the Dream, he says "I'm going to search for my star until I find it. It's hidden in the drawer of innocence, wrapped in a scarf of wonder." and in "Break of Dawn" the bridge:

"Let's not wait, the sun is out,
Let's get up and let's get out,
It's the day, a brand new day,
Let's both go outside and play,
Let us walk down the park,
Makin' love 'til it's dark [...]" which points out that he expects a childlike enthusiasm from the lady chosen for him (by God) as well as the romance.
Anyways, as was pointed out to me, romance, innocence and religiosity are extremely important to him as he shows throughout his writing and music. That seems like a wonderful combination that he holds himself fully and completely. :) What a man hey? wow.

[AllForMJ]

oh you have NOOOO idea Linda.. :lol:

(For all time is presently being played on repeat!)

I want to add some things that I was discussing with a friend of mine the other day. Some insight. I have to make sure I get it right. I'll be back!
Okey dokey.
:)

Ooops!! I clicked Save too late! You're already back! LOL

[Ape]

yup! ... should I share more? I never know how much is too much to say without going too far into his personal life. It's all there in the music but... where is the boundary right?

[AllForMJ]

There's plenty to discuss just based on what he has said over the years, what he sings about, and what he has shown. He's been very open and honest to the point that there's not even a need to read books about him.

[~Kis~]

yup! ... should I share more? I never know how much is too much to say without going too far into his personal life. It's all there in the music but... where is the boundary right?

Go on girl. You know you want to lol

[Ape]

That seems to be true for sure.

Can I just say once again.. what a beautiful valentines gift. I don't think anything could top that. How romantic... the timing and everything, that he had to get it out by Valentines day :wub: . The lady in his life is incredibly blessed to have his love.

edit: lol@ Kiz..maybe later tonight then when I have some more time.

[AllForMJ]

Has anyone seen an article titled "Ten Things Michael Likes"? It was mentioned to me but I've never seen it. I wondered if it could be posted or something.

Anyways.. I guess Innocence was on that list :) ..and in "Search for my Star" from Dancing the Dream, he says "I'm going to search for my star until I find it. It's hidden in the drawer of innocence, wrapped in a scarf of wonder." and in "Break of Dawn" the bridge:

"Let's not wait, the sun is out,
Let's get up and let's get out,
It's the day, a brand new day,
Let's both go outside and play,
Let us walk down the park,
Makin' love 'til it's dark [...]" which points out that he expects a childlike enthusiasm from the lady chosen for him (by God) as well as the romance.
Anyways, as was pointed out to me, romance, innocence and religiosity are extremely important to him as he shows throughout his writing and music. That seems like a wonderful combination that he holds himself fully and completely. :) What a man hey? wow.
Yep. It seems very much so.

You can tell he likes to pull all-nighters. lol That was pointed out in "Rock With You" in the '70's and "Break Of Dawn" in '01. Actually, "Break Of Dawn" is about being intimate all night, as well as all day. lol

Also, he is a person that likes to stay focused on truth. Anything else is a time waster to him. He doesn't like nonsense. He doesn't like things that bring no real results.

If a woman is not truly grounded in The Lord, MJ will be able to tell. He seems like he will test her to find out where she is spiritually. His spirituality is very important to him. It is the center of his life and if she isn't spiritual as well, he won't be able to fully bond with her. His spirituality clearly shows in his songs. You often hear him using Biblical terms.

Example:

* Should I get down on my knees and pray?
* This is injustice. Woe unto thee.
* Somebody hurt my soul now.
* I look to the Heavens to fulfill its prophecy. Set me free.
* When we pray, will you promise me you'll always stay.
* Deep in my soul, baby.
* I thank the Heavens above that I met you.
* Here abandoned in my fame. Armegeddon of the brain.

These were pulled from a variety of songs and there's more that can be found from just listening.

He reads his Bible. He doesn't just have it. He reads it, and he applies it to his life. If he wasn't applying it to his life, he would not have been able to endure so much.

Yep. He's gonna test her. Testing her to see where she is spiritually, is almost like looking for the one that can fit the glass slipper in Cinderella.

You can imagine him doing that, huh?

[Ape]

hahaha yes I can actually. It sounds so funny to hear. I think God would be doing his own testing as well.. tempering her through the fires for her own good in the long run. It would not only be a dream to be with him, but without the strength pulled from the proper place, would be a nightmare in some aspects. Dealing with media and with unscrupulous people. She would need to have some experience in dealing with this in some way so she could adapt to his life as well because she couldn't live her own the same way she had before.

[AllForMJ]

Yeah. Also, from looking at the way that God has been working in MJ's life lately, it doesn't seem like God is going to allow too much more of that stuff to happen. He's been doing things to bring the madness to a halt. That's why it is so quiet now.

MJ's first two marriages took place in the mist of confusion. God has clearly been purging the things that were causing the confusion and has brought about calm.

MJ's next marriage is going to be much different. It's not going to be faced with as many challenges.

[Ape]

Now I had a thought... bringing her possible side up in this. What if she has children? How would that work? The media doesn't seem to care who they hurt. Their lives would be changed dramatically as well, as would her family wouldn't it? And IF (a big if) she has children as well, they will also have a father. How can they make that work? How will the transition be? HOW HOW HOW..lol.. His children grew up this way so it is just what they know, but if she does actually have some, how could they adjust to it? Then again, he hasn't mentioned children in any music so maybe there aren't any.

(over active imagination I have?? :lol: I think about these things sometimes.. )

[LindaC781]

I have to admit, I am a hopeless romantic myself. I can't stay away from this thread for long....I hope that all of your observations are true. NOONE deserves to be happy more than MJ. I just hope and pray he not only found her, but that she truly IS Mrs. Right to him...in every way.

[Moddie777]

There is another song that ties in with this theory. Remember the "Butterflies" remix with rapper Eve?
When Ape just asked about kids, I remember, I too had a question about that due to this remix, here are eve's rap.

Intro: (eve's rap)
Trackmasters, uh oh she just your type right, trying to figure out how you could play a major part up in her
life right. Shorty got your mind tight and everytime you see her walk by start thinkin bout your night like
she all thats in your eyesight. And every since the first say you seen her thinkin she the WIFE type. You figure she'll be perfect lovin you. Fantasize the tingle from her fingers rubbin you. Tryin to analyze the
situation, you feelin crazy, want it there forever, whats so special 'bout this lady? Feelin like you wanna
cool back, but you know you perfect for her, you got all what them fools lack, Maybe you should make THIS THING HAPPEN, RAISE SOME THINGS, swingin on the porch while the KIDS NAPPIN. you got everything elese you need, SNATCH HER UP FILL that EMPTY SPACE, she can make your life COMPLETE.

Then Michael's voice is heard singing the start of the song, "all you gotta do is just walk away and pass me
by" and etc.
Eve's 2nd and final rap:
You like wait stop, the way that she got you hot, Excited, said you need what she got
Entycin, MOMMY like the cream of the crop, pressure gettin heavy 'bout to make your heart pop
ALL YOUR LIFE YOU WAITED FOR THIS CHICK, nobody told you it would feel like this, do anything
to feel that kiss, wanna giver her whatever you got IN FRONT OF MILLIONS MAKE IT KNOWN, WHATEVER
THE PLOT

when this song was played on the radio not long afterwards Michael and his record label began their public fued and this gem faded away and was almost forgotten about and not spoken of.

The lyrics to eve's rap send chills, don't they?

[Ape]

Thank you thank you^^^ I kept thinking I wanted to look that up to add those lyrics and every time I'd come in this thread I'd forget about it..hahahah Glad you added it.

:( I just had edited in this big long thing.. and then I pressed the wrong button. It is now lost into cyberspace .... humph* Maybe I will try again later after I recover :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Way ta go, Moddie777! That really does tie in well. I forgot all about Eve's rap in "Butterflies."


Now I had a thought... bringing her possible side up in this. What if she has children? How would that work? The media doesn't seem to care who they hurt. Their lives would be changed dramatically as well, as would her family wouldn't it? And IF (a big if) she has children as well, they will also have a father. How can they make that work? How will the transition be? HOW HOW HOW..lol.. His children grew up this way so it is just what they know, but if she does actually have some, how could they adjust to it? Then again, he hasn't mentioned children in any music so maybe there aren't any.

(over active imagination I have?? :lol: I think about these things sometimes.. )
She and MJ would have to be creative in whatever way that may be. God will help them figure that out. He's been helping them with everything else. Since they both have a relationship with God, they both will ask Him for guidance together.

Also, as a single father MJ often takes his children with him to keep them nearby which is why they've had to adjust to him traveling and such. But overall, he keeps them out of the spotlight.

If he's married to someone that he fully trusts, and he has to leave for a little while to do what he does, his children would most likely be able to stay home until he returns. Don't forget, this marriage is supposed to be much different for him. He's been craving to do what regular people do, so it seems like the best place to start is at home.

The only way her children's father would become an issue, is if he is active in her life for some reason. If there is nothing happening between them, other than the children, and there is peace between them, he'll just be saying MJ is his children's stepfather.

This is exactly why it is really important for people to not rush into new relationships after break-ups. You have to let some time go by so everyone truly knows where they stand. If she and her ex have truly gone their separate ways, there should be nothing for her ex to adjust to. They should have already moved on.

As for her children, if she's the custodial parent, she's the one that makes decisions pertaining to the children, not the father. If her children's father is the custodial parent, then that's a different story.

Also, it doesn't quite feel like the media is going to be all over MJ and his new wife. Maybe this is the part that God is working on right now. Maybe this is why He's having them wait a little longer. If the media interferes with something that God is working on, it is only going to work against them anyway. Therefore, it wouldn't be wise for them to do that. They should already be able to tell by now that God is the one that has been pushing them back. To date, everything they have been trying has come to naught, and it would seem that by now they have noticed.

[Ape]

That makes lots of sense what you have said. Maybe I imagine some things being worse than they would actually be. I was imagining media or overly fanatic fans following (if she has them) her kids even when with their father. Putting myself in her shoes. I am sure every precaution would be taken as well for them and their well being. It is interesting.

Do you think this really is how it is... so far we seem to be talking about someone no one has seen. (well not no one but if there truly is someone, she hasn't been presented or anything.)

Do you think he meant for us to discuss it as it unfolds? hahah Him and his mysteries.. :) lol.. (it is really a beautiful one though... This one has ALL the Disney love stories beat!)

[AllForMJ]

I don't know if he minds. In comparison to the type of discussions people were having based on the lies that had been told, it sure seems like this is less painful for him than those discussions.

Besides, it's time to turn the page and read the new chapter. The new chapter is about a happier MJ and the songs are a reflection of that.
:yes:

[Sasha01]

There is another song that ties in with this theory. Remember the "Butterflies" remix with rapper Eve?
When Ape just asked about kids, I remember, I too had a question about that due to this remix, here are eve's rap.

Intro: (eve's rap)
Trackmasters, uh oh she just your type right, trying to figure out how you could play a major part up in her
life right. Shorty got your mind tight and everytime you see her walk by start thinkin bout your night like
she all thats in your eyesight. And every since the first say you seen her thinkin she the WIFE type. You figure she'll be perfect lovin you. Fantasize the tingle from her fingers rubbin you. Tryin to analyze the
situation, you feelin crazy, want it there forever, whats so special 'bout this lady? Feelin like you wanna
cool back, but you know you perfect for her, you got all what them fools lack, Maybe you should make THIS THING HAPPEN, RAISE SOME THINGS, swingin on the porch while the KIDS NAPPIN. you got everything elese you need, SNATCH HER UP FILL that EMPTY SPACE, she can make your life COMPLETE.

Then Michael's voice is heard singing the start of the song, "all you gotta do is just walk away and pass me
by" and etc.
Eve's 2nd and final rap:
You like wait stop, the way that she got you hot, Excited, said you need what she got
Entycin, MOMMY like the cream of the crop, pressure gettin heavy 'bout to make your heart pop
ALL YOUR LIFE YOU WAITED FOR THIS CHICK, nobody told you it would feel like this, do anything
to feel that kiss, wanna giver her whatever you got IN FRONT OF MILLIONS MAKE IT KNOWN, WHATEVER
THE PLOT

when this song was played on the radio not long afterwards Michael and his record label began their public fued and this gem faded away and was almost forgotten about and not spoken of.

The lyrics to eve's rap send chills, don't they?

OMG. I love this version if the song also. :wub:

ANNND WOAAH I JUST REALIZED EVE'S LYRICS GO INTO ALL OF THIS. :o awesome!
aww Michael :( just readin' this.. really show Michael like really LONGS for this mystery lady. lol got him going crazy for her aww. :wub:

The bolded part made me curious lol. :mello: ooo the mystery. This is getting better by every post guys! MORE! :D

[Ape]

Alright I am going to try this one more time and I hope it doesn't get erased before it gets posted. Won't be what I said before but.. something like it.

This is what I just LOVE.. here..:

"but you know you perfect for her, you got all what them fools lack, Maybe you should make THIS THING HAPPEN, RAISE SOME THINGS, swingin on the porch while the KIDS NAPPIN. you got everything else you need, SNATCH HER UP FILL that EMPTY SPACE, she can make your life COMPLETE."

"said you need what she got
Entycin, MOMMY like the cream of the crop, pressure gettin heavy 'bout to make your heart pop
ALL YOUR LIFE YOU WAITED FOR THIS CHICK, nobody told you it would feel like this, do anything
to feel that kiss,"

This shows just how complete and perfect this is. Look where he is focused. It's not about how wonderful HE is and why she should chose him, as many men would. He already knows he is perfect for her, he knows himself. What I think is beautiful is that he lets her know that she has something worthy to give in this relationship as well. It is not a one way street. So where she may feel not good enough for whatever reason, he lets her know that this isn't the case. She is actually everything that he desires. She has what he is missing. The one thing that is lacking in his life is everything she is. Also...he has what those FOOLS lack meaning he is everything she needs. All the men prior to him were lacking in every area that he shines in, such as his romantic nature. It isn't monetary. It is about who they are together. Each of them make the other complete. They fit so perfectly that together they are whole. They each fill the places that were empty, for the other.

It's very beautiful, and by sharing that with the rest of the world they are showing what real love should be (I think). This world is lacking a good role model for a loving relationship. By this being shared in song, and everything that has been shared in this thread, we all get to benefit from the love they have found. It is truly a miracle that they found each other, and even more so that we all get to share in that at some level. Everyone is blessed by true love. Just think of when you get to spend time in the company of a couple who have been married and in love for decades. To see that love gives everyone hope and an example to learn from.

[Sasha01]

OMG.. why did I just cry when I read your post...


lol, no but seriously, this is touching. <3
I really hope he has now found her, or will get to her soon. :(

[TialovesMJ]

Awwww this is soooo romantic. I hope MJ finds her soon.. or is with her!!!:)

[Gisselle]

yeah i do hope he finds her soon! He deserves to be happy with someone! i hope he has found her already!

[AllForMJ]

Very nicely put, Ape. So glad you all are now able to hear what he was saying and can tell what he was doing. In the midst of all the noise and all the commotion that was swirling around him, he was focused on love. It became obvious when he released the box set.

He wasn't doing anything wrong to anyone back in the early 2000's. Especially not what people with dirty minds were thinking. He was too busy trying to get that chick and Sneddon came in and interrupted him. But even then, MJ did not take his mind off of her or what he was feeling. He kept going. It's showing in the songs.
:yes:

You know what else? "Hold My Hand" not only sounds like the type of song that women can go up to the alter to, but it also sounds like a song that men could actually use to propose.

The way that MJ hangs on that "s" when he says, "So, if you jussssst..." it's like he's saying, "Hold my hand. That's all you have to do."

[GenieBottle]

This thread is so beautiful:wub: so romantic....oh how I hope and wish for Michaels happiness and to be with his lucky lady!!!:wub:

Here is a beautiful vid about love...(I hope it hasn't been posted yet)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AaG2hOBQN6g

[AllForMJ]

He's beautiful with his romantic self....

[laurenjayne]

aaawwww :wub: i hope he finds her, he deserves it!!

[LindaC781]

I hope so too...but THIS marriage should be long-lasting...no fly-by-night stuff....this needs to be for real. He needs someone to stand by him AND HIS CHILDREN for a long time!

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Gotta :heart: your mysterious personality Mikey :jump:

[AllForMJ]

Sooooo, it looks like the serenading will continue. And he sure sounds beautiful doing it.
:yes:

[summer]

Sooooo, it looks like the serenading will continue. And he sure sounds beautiful doing it.
:yes:


I agree. He sounds AAAAAAAAAAAWESOME! :) Now...what about "Heaven Can Wait"?!! :wild: I loooooooooooove that song! I think that is probably one of the most ROMANTIC songs I've ever heard! :wub: :stretcher What's your take on that one? :D

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[summer]

Silly, Summer :lol: *hands her some candy to pacify her* hehe.

I'm not that familiar with the song, Carousel, and I just now read over the lyrics and it seems it is more about two people who tried to make it work even though they realize they are too different. What I had remembered only, and why I made the comparison with Butterflies , are these lines:

But I want her to be mine
I started talking
She kept on walking
She disappeared into the crowd


and then the lines from Butterflies:


All you gotta do is just walk away and pass me by
Don't acknowledge my smile when I try to say hello to you, yeah

Oh wow..great observation! :yes:

And thanks for the CANDY!! :wild::clapping::lol:

[mysterygirl7]

Silly, Summer :lol: *hands her some candy to pacify her* hehe.

I'm not that familiar with the song, Carousel, and I just now read over the lyrics and it seems it is more about two people who tried to make it work even though they realize they are too different. What I had remembered only, and why I made the comparison with Butterflies , are these lines:

But I want her to be mine
I started talking
She kept on walking
She disappeared into the crowd


and then the lines from Butterflies:


All you gotta do is just walk away and pass me by
Don't acknowledge my smile when I try to say hello to you, yeah

Ok, first of all.. I don't know why I am quoting your post.. just seems like the thing to do.. :D

I can solve the mystery ones and for all.. they mystery girl is me.. why you ask? I am mysterygirl, right.. and 7 cause MJ's favorite number is 7 (2+5 is 7, right?) Ok,, so far so good.. Then in carousel he says that he loves a girl who comes from a place with popcorn and candy.. that's where I'm from.. and actually.. my favorite things ARE waterballon fights and climbing trees..
And here's why it couldn't be me.. I'm an atheist... :hysterical:

I hope that MJ finds his love, and that it will be a true Disney style romance!!

Oh my god, this is a mysterious story indeed.. :scratch:

[TialovesMJ]

Great observation Queen G!!! :) :girl_dance:

[mysterygirl7]

Ok, sorry.. I know what I wrote was not really into the mood of this thread.. I just don't like how you guys have to bring god into everything.. ALLforMJ you wrote this:


If a woman is not truly grounded in The Lord, MJ will be able to tell. He seems like he will test her to find out where she is spiritually. His spirituality is very important to him. It is the center of his life and if she isn't spiritual as well, he won't be able to fully bond with her. His spirituality clearly shows in his songs. You often hear him using Biblical terms.

Example:

* Should I get down on my knees and pray?
* This is injustice. Woe unto thee.
* Somebody hurt my soul now.
* I look to the Heavens to fulfill its prophecy. Set me free.
* When we pray, will you promise me you'll always stay.
* Deep in my soul, baby.
* I thank the Heavens above that I met you.
* Here abandoned in my fame. Armegeddon of the brain.

These were pulled from a variety of songs and there's more that can be found from just listening.

He reads his Bible. He doesn't just have it. He reads it, and he applies it to his life. If he wasn't applying it to his life, he would not have been able to endure so much.

Yep. He's gonna test her. Testing her to see where she is spiritually, is almost like looking for the one that can fit the glass slipper in Cinderella.

You can imagine him doing that, huh?

I don't know.. to me this is too much.. What do you actually mean by this.. what if the girl MJ likes, is not much into religion.. I mean.. you don't know who it is.. You are assuming that she is all that.. while she could be just herself..

[Ape]

well.. we are really just speculating based on what we hear in the music. If God is a part of bringing them together, which it sounds like He would have to be (though if you are an atheist then you wouldn't see it that way) then she would probably have to be open to having God work in her life for them even to be brought together.

Also it sounds as though Michael has a close relationship with God, and so he probably would hold that important in the woman he finds if he wants her to be the one for him. Long legs and a beautiful outside only goes so far. It seems that he would want someone who is very beautiful on the inside as well. Not saying that a person can't be beautiful on the inside without knowing or believing in God.

Someone else wanna take over from here?

If he wants a "divine love" then I don't know how that can happen without God in the picture.

[mysterygirl7]

well.. we are really just speculating based on what we hear in the music. If God is a part of bringing them together, which it sounds like He would have to be (though if you are an atheist then you wouldn't see it that way) then she would probably have to be open to having God work in her life for them even to be brought together.

Also it sounds as though Michael has a close relationship with God, and so he probably would hold that important in the woman he finds if he wants her to be the one for him. Long legs and a beautiful outside only goes so far. It seems that he would want someone who is very beautiful on the inside as well. Not saying that a person can't be beautiful on the inside without knowing or believing in God.

Someone else wanna take over from here?

If he wants a "divine love" then I don't know how that can happen without God in the picture.

I don't know what to say, I guess I am excluded from this conversation, when I don't believe in god.. I will just read.. it's still interesting..:yes:

[Ape]

No, you can say what you think. :) that's what forums are for. The only one who could tell us we are wrong is Michael and his lady right? Or people who really knew for real. Since we don't (that I know of) we are all free to say what we think. Everyone's opinion is valid.

[TialovesMJ]

yes. :D the mystery continues on :)

[TialovesMJ]

I want to ask if one of you guys can intrepret a song i have in mind? idk if its right though.. i just want to know your insights about this song.

I just Can't stop Loving you. :unsure: if any of you guys can..if it relates to this

[AllForMJ]

I don't know what to say, I guess I am excluded from this conversation, when I don't believe in god.. I will just read.. it's still interesting..:yes:
Sorry if what I’ve said made you feel cut off, mysterygirl7. I didn’t know you were atheist and that you have feelings for a man that is God-fearing. Actually, I think that's kinda special.
:yes: :flowers:

[mysterygirl7]

No, you can say what you think. :) that's what forums are for. The only one who could tell us we are wrong is Michael and his lady right? Or people who really knew for real. Since we don't (that I know of) we are all free to say what we think. Everyone's opinion is valid.

But you seem to be much more clever than me anyway... but thanks, I might add two ungodly cents another time...

[Moddie777]

Thanks cleo7 for the apology, really appreciate it! hope those who participate in thread can please stay on topic, ya know we have P. I. badges in Michael's own private investigation firm, lol.

Allformj, I started noticing a certain pattern from Michael only in the very recent years, perhaps within 2 years. Whenever there was a story out about him being married to or getting married to the kids nanny, he all of a sudden would almost immediately have a statement from Raymone to release denying the rumors? That was not the case in the early 2000's with the same rumors and nanny. He didn't not address those rumors with viguor back then. Have you noticed that too? Anyone can answer. Please guys, I do not want this thread to be about the nanny.
I think he started getting his "house in order" during that time. He made it clear, who he did not want. Also during that time there were less and less pictures of the nanny, him and the kids together. Michael made this change strategically for the purpose of a successful new beginning in his private life with his lady love. He obviously knew he had to make certain changes.

[mysterygirl7]

Sorry if what I’ve said made you feel cut off, mysterygirl7. I didn’t know you were atheist and that you have feelings for a man that is God-fearing. Actually, I think that's kinda special.
:yes: :flowers:

Oh thank you.. I think he would be the only one who would be able to make me believe.. haha

[TialovesMJ]

^^ very interesting Moddie:) :yes: I have noticed the same thing. But someonelse can say what they have to say if they want.. :)

[Ape]

lol clever.. .well maybe YOU need to be the mystery girl, and I should be a Private Eye right? ( ;) Just teasing)
For myself, I had enough of my life without God.. He was there as far back as I can remember, and then when I forgot about Him, my life was a mess! You aren't any less worthy or valid because of your beliefs. We all speak from what we know and what we see. You could add some very new perspective that we missed because no one comes from the same exact place. How can any of us say you AREN'T the lady he loves? (some might, but I couldn't) You may have been joking in that thread earlier, but maybe you weren't. I don't think this thread is about excluding anyone or even speculating WHO it could be. It's just an interactive love story inspired by Michaels music and our interpretation of it. Please do share what you see.

[DMGJACKSON]

''AllforMJ '' please,please forgive me for being another person who ,takes your Beautiful thread of on-point Interpetion's off topic ,I simply need to get these words out...
'' you '' (as In everyone) can never speak on Gods name too much!!
without him what do any of us really have worth anything ? Nothing ...
Thank you God for everything !!
To Michael Joseph Jackson God Bless you,all my love ~Deborah~
God Bless you AllforMJ Thank you,keep up the good work peace...

[AllForMJ]

Here's something that show's MJ had feelings for someone back during the trial. And just imagine, Sneddon went after him to lock him up behind a lie and ended up retiring in shame behind that lying family.

Michael wasn't thinking about anyone but that chick while they were trying to paint him as a so-called predator.

As a matter of fact, mysterygirl7, I want to thank you for what you said about me bringing up God, because it made me think of how MJ thanked Him in this two-part message. Yep. There are two parts here.


Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible.

You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through.

I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration.

Love,

Michael Jackson
Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his family, as his family was most likely going to stay in contact with him no matter where he went in the world.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his children, as he was taking his children with him.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his friends, as most of his dearest friends would most likely call him, or vice versa.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his fans, as his fans are spread across the globe and he would have to go to the moon or somewhere to say something like this.

So, who was he talking to? And are you noticing that he said the person’s ever-present love dried his tears?

Are you noticing that loyalty and support is in the first half and devotion and support is in the second half?

This clearly shows he was in love during the trial.

[mysterygirl7]

lol clever.. .well maybe YOU need to be the mystery girl, and I should be a Private Eye right? ( ;) Just teasing)
For myself, I had enough of my life without God.. He was there as far back as I can remember, and then when I forgot about Him, my life was a mess! You aren't any less worthy or valid because of your beliefs. We all speak from what we know and what we see. You could add some very new perspective that we missed because no one comes from the same exact place. How can any of us say you AREN'T the lady he loves? (some might, but I couldn't) You may have been joking in that thread earlier, but maybe you weren't. I don't think this thread is about excluding anyone or even speculating WHO it could be. It's just an interactive love story inspired by Michaels music and our interpretation of it. Please do share what you see.

Hehe.. you are already the Private Eye I think, with all the things you have found out!! It's kind of incredible, really.. I have been reading this for days.. lol
I think you are right, if people don't believe the same as some, they might be able to bring different things to the interpretation..
I will try and see what I can come up with..

[mysterygirl7]

Here's something that show's he a feelings for someone back during the trial.

As a matter of fact, mysterygirl7, I want to thank you for what you said about me bringing up God, because it made me think of how MJ thanked Him in this two-part message. Yep. There are two parts here.


Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his family, as his family was most likely going to stay in contact with him no matter where he went in the world.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his children, as he was taking his children with him.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his friends, as most of his dearest friends would most likely call him, or vice versa.

Notice that there was no reason for him to say he will never forget his fans, as his fans are spread across the globe and he would have to go to the moon or somewhere to say something like this.

So, who was he talking to? And are you noticing that he said the person’s ever-present love dried his tears?

Are you noticing that loyalty and support is in the first half and devotion and support is in the second half?

This clearly shows he was in love during the trial.

When did he say that?? :scratch:

[Moddie777]

^^ very interesting Moddie:) :yes: I have noticed the same thing. But someonelse can say what they have to say if they want.. :)


Yep! MJbabe it is very interesting. Michael is no idiot. He is paying attention. This man didn't want his lady love not to come, he knew he had to make certain changes that would fit her back into his life. He knows her well and obviously knows what she would not like. He also must've known what would have caused problems for them in their reuniting and he ABSOLUTELY didn't/doesn't want any issues creating havoc for them now.
It was a major step every time that rumor became very publically and quickly addressed. It is even ironically or strategically the first rumor addressed in the EBONY (DECEMBER 2007) issue.

[Dri]

I'm only watching... :popcorn:

I love this thread! :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

Yep! MJbabe it is very interesting. Michael is no idiot. He is paying attention. This man didn't want his lady love not to come, he knew he had to make certain changes that would fit her back into his life. He knows her well and obviously knows what she would not like. He also must've known what would have caused problems for them in their reuniting and he ABSOLUTELY didn't/doesn't want any issues creating havoc for them now.
It was a major step every time that rumor became very publically and quickly addressed. It is even ironically or strategically the first rumor addressed in the EBONY (DECEMBER 2007) issue.

you said it perfectly. :) couldn't have said it better myself. and I won't lol. more plzzzzzzzzzzz :D does anyone have the Ebony mag . with this interview in it?

[TialovesMJ]

I'm only watching... :popcorn:

I love this thread! :wub:

hahahah same here :) :eat: I love it!!!

[AllForMJ]

When did he say that?? :scratch:
He said that shorty after he was exonerated in 2005.

[L.J]

Thread has been cleaned.

Let's keep off topic gossip and unfounded rumours off the forum thanks :flowers:

[LindaC781]

It was also MY fault...I was the one who posted that fake picture....and here you guys were, talking about lyrics to his music. Please forgive me.

I can't understand how you guys can separate eras, though. TO me, Michael has ALWAYS sung about this stuff....from "ABC" to "Heartbreaker"... he always sung about this type of thing..

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys,

We're back online! Hooray!

For those of you that may not fully understand what this thread is about, I will try to clarify....

This thread is mainly looking at the time period between when MJ was hurt and when and he started recovering from the hurt.

Back in 1993, he was served a blow that broke his heart into many pieces. It was a blow that was served right when he was at the height of everything that he had been working on for so long. He did not see this blow coming. No one did. There was a song that he had put out that described his feelings. It was "Stranger In Moscow."

In this song, he talks about the "rain" coming down. He talks about feeling "cold" inside. The word "lonely" came in and this word "lonely" started entering many other songs afterwards. The sound of anguish started entering his songs as well. All the things that shows a person is hurting started entering his songs. This was not happening prior to '93.

In 2001, when he came back to the music scene after leaving the spotlight for a while, following his last large tour, it was obvious after he came back that he had been suffering. The pain of the blow he was served had taken a toll on him. But, he came back anyway and he came back as he was. He did not hide it.

The songs that he recorded for his "Invincible" CD shows he was feeling empty inside. While speaking to an audience that year about the need to be loved he even started shedding tears. It was a tough time period for him and everyone connected to him.

Somewhere between then and now, he started perking up. The sound of emptiness started leaving. The look of sadness started leaving as well and he slowly started smiling and laughing again.

Now, he's singing like he likes someone very much...like this fondness has turned into love. It's showing in the songs he is now releasing. It's showing in the songs he's recording. It's showing in the way he is acting and we are pointing these things out in this thread.

I chose to title this thread "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" because of the song "Someone In The Dark" that he officially released in 2004. It is a song about a friend finding him, and he is showing signs that she did.

If you would like to point out the beautiful things that you see unfolding, feel free. If you cannot handle the thought of him being in love then steer away. He doesn't seem like he's able to put this thing off too much longer from listening to the songs that have been coming out since '03.

This is not the MJ of the 1990's or before. This is the MJ of the new millennium.

Reading, contributing and having fun is what this thread is for if you like the thought of Michael Jackson and romance as it is unfolding.

:flowers:http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7549/mjjc1tb8.jpg

P.S. The reason why spirituality is also being discussed is because Michael Jackson is a very spiritual man. He is a God-fearing man.

[Sdeidjs]

I'm only watching... :popcorn:

I love this thread! :wub:

Too Cute...Giggles~~~

[TialovesMJ]

Yay we are back on. :) :clap:

[Ape]

Private Investigator Ape has found yet another clue! (I remember it from when I read the article on here from the Vogue photoshoot of last year and I finally found it again)



THE KING of Pop - Roberto Croci

"I love you", whispered the King to the soon-to-be Queen, now giving this event an official dimension. All residents, who were holding their breath, burst of joy, thus announcing the opening of festivities in Vogueland. The King had finally found a brave woman, born with magic in her hands and her soul displaying a blinding energy. As she'd been through a long journey, the little Princess was about to see her ultimate dream get its due coronation; and then, the Magician made her investiture official when he pronounced these words : "A Star is born".There were two versions since it was translated into English it seems.

The King of Pop
by Roberto Croci

"I love you" sighed the King to the next queen. The inhabitants of the town, till them without a sigh, had a thundering applause, starting the parties in Vougeland's realm. The King finally met a brave woman, charming and with a great strenght. The princess, after a long wandering saw that her dreams had come true and the great Magician said "A star is born".Now this all seems to speak for itself in this thread. No need for my interpretations.


EDIT: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1200301&highlight=Vogue+article+queen#post1200301
and
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1198976&highlight=Vogue+article+queen#post1198976

[TialovesMJ]

That's interesting :D :o

[Ape]

HAHAH it always makes me laugh how quick you are in here ;)

[TialovesMJ]

^ :lol: :blush: ?? I like reading the thread!!!!:D :kickass:

[summer]

Private Investigator Ape has found yet another clue! (I remember it from when I read the article on here from the Vogue photoshoot of last year and I finally found it again)


There were two versions since it was translated into English it seems.


Now this all seems to speak for itself in this thread. No need for my interpretations.

*having a blonde moment* I didn't get that...:scratch: :lol: Was that about MJ or something he wrote or some event he went? *confused* :scratch: :lol:

[mystygrl]

Thanks cleo7 for the apology, really appreciate it! hope those who participate in thread can please stay on topic, ya know we have P. I. badges in Michael's own private investigation firm, lol.

Allformj, I started noticing a certain pattern from Michael only in the very recent years, perhaps within 2 years. Whenever there was a story out about him being married to or getting married to the kids nanny, he all of a sudden would almost immediately have a statement from Raymone to release denying the rumors? That was not the case in the early 2000's with the same rumors and nanny. He didn't not address those rumors with viguor back then. Have you noticed that too? Anyone can answer. Please guys, I do not want this thread to be about the nanny.
I think he started getting his "house in order" during that time. He made it clear, who he did not want. Also during that time there were less and less pictures of the nanny, him and the kids together. Michael made this change strategically for the purpose of a successful new beginning in his private life with his lady love. He obviously knew he had to make certain changes.

This is something that I have noticed as well! I get the impression that he is addressing his "special lady", somewhere out there, that he is not interested in anyone, which brings to my mind the song, 'Beautiful Girl' during the adlibs where I am hearing him sing, "there's no one, I'm in love...etc..." Does anyone else hear those lyrics?

In addition, his making these immediate releases regarding him being unattached, imo, is a direct message to her from him...to wait until "divinity in motion" or God's time to unite them.

In the words/lyrics of MJ, when it comes to this thread I just cannot stay away..."I can't help it, if I wanted to, I wouldn't help it even if I could".:no:

[AllForMJ]

Thanks cleo7 for the apology, really appreciate it! hope those who participate in thread can please stay on topic, ya know we have P. I. badges in Michael's own private investigation firm, lol.

Allformj, I started noticing a certain pattern from Michael only in the very recent years, perhaps within 2 years. Whenever there was a story out about him being married to or getting married to the kids nanny, he all of a sudden would almost immediately have a statement from Raymone to release denying the rumors? That was not the case in the early 2000's with the same rumors and nanny. He didn't not address those rumors with viguor back then. Have you noticed that too? Anyone can answer. Please guys, I do not want this thread to be about the nanny.
I think he started getting his "house in order" during that time. He made it clear, who he did not want. Also during that time there were less and less pictures of the nanny, him and the kids together. Michael made this change strategically for the purpose of a successful new beginning in his private life with his lady love. He obviously knew he had to make certain changes.
I guess MJ wasn't really concerned about the rumors back in the early 2000's because he hadn't yet realized that he liked his friend. In "Fall Again" there's that line that says, "There's something about you. I stare in your eyes. Everything I'm looking for I seem to find." It seems like he was starting to really notice how much he liked his friend later on. “Fall Again” came out in ’04.

Also, maybe after going through the trial and everything and seeing how she was there for him it caused him to think about things. By '06 and ’07, he had had plenty of time to look back and reflect.
:yes:

[summer]

This is something that I have noticed as well! I get the impression that he is addressing his "special lady", somewhere out there, that he is not interested in anyone, which brings to my mind the song, 'Beautiful Girl' during the adlibs where I am hearing him sing, "there's no one, I'm in love...etc..." Does anyone else hear those lyrics?

In addition, his making these immediate releases regarding him being unattached, imo, is a direct message to her from him...to wait until "divinity in motion" or God's time to unite them.

In the words/lyrics of MJ, when it comes to this thread I just cannot stay away..."I can't help it, if I wanted to, I wouldn't help it even if I could".:no:


:lol: Mystrygirl...yeah, this thread is addictive!! :lol: Kind of like Sidney Sheldon's books...Once you start reading, you can't stop! :lol: It's a fun thread! Fun to read. :yes: And if it was all true it would be sooooo romantic! :wub: I love romance...!! Even though at the moment my thoughts on love are more like this:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2771/****lovecensorediv8.jpg

:lol:

I'm done. I give up. :(

Which is why it's great to read this thread and get your "daily dose of romace". :cheers: :lmao: :lmao:

Funny you guys mentioned the thing with Grace...I noticed it too but then I thought "Ah, you're imagining things". But now that you guys brought it up...it's funny that so many noticed. Even though...who knows what teh real reason is why she's around less. Could be she's still very much around but we just don't see her. I mean, doesn't she live in Vegas? And MJ moved to Vegas. So...could be she's "out"....or still very much in his life but we just don't know it. Anything's possible. :scratch:

(And I was supposed to be just reading this thread and not write in it...:smilerolleyes::lol: Okay...lemme stop! :lol:)

[Ape]

why just read? It's nicer when more people contribute. I put the links into that thing I posted this morning for you. It's from the Vogue photo shoot from last year. I found it in threads here when I wanted to see what was said about the photos. It is referring to the make up artist or something as the queen, but in the context they have it in, it doesn't make much sense. If you read into it (which is so much fun isn't it? lol.. ) and place it in the context of this thread.. it seems to make more sense.

[summer]

Ah, okay, thanks for explaining Ape.

And I rather just read because I'm not really that good at coming up with the theories...I'll leave it to the "pros". :lol:

And weren't you gonna give us your two cents on Heaven Can Wait, Miss Ape? :lol: Where is it?? Where is it?? Huh? Huh? :lol:

[Ape]

but I'm not feeling romantic today *pouts* do I haaave to?

Maybe it will put me in a better mood though. I feel grumpy because of life stuff. Yeah it will probably lighten my mood.. alright I'll have a go at it.

[Sasha01]

I always thought that Vogue thing was talking about the lady stylist that was on the set with MJ during the shoot. :hysterical:

[Ape]

Yes I think it did, but isn't our job here to read between the lines? :P

[summer]

but I'm not feeling romantic today *pouts* do I haaave to?

Maybe it will put me in a better mood though. I feel grumpy because of life stuff. Yeah it will probably lighten my mood.. alright I'll have a go at it.

Yessssss, do it!!! :clapping::clapping:I know you'll feel MUCH better afterwards! :D :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

Ah, okay, thanks for explaining Ape.

And I rather just read because I'm not really that good at coming up with the theories...I'll leave it to the "pros". :lol:

And weren't you gonna give us your two cents on Heaven Can Wait, Miss Ape? :lol: Where is it?? Where is it?? Huh? Huh? :lol:


Me too :lol: I'll just read instead of coming up with theories :D :kickass:

[Ape]

You're beautiful

Each moment spent with you is simply wonderful
This love I have for you girl its incredible
And I dont know what Id do, if I cant be with you
The world could not go on so every night I pray
If the lord should come for me before I wake
I wouldnt wanna go if I cant see your face, cant hold you close what good
Would heaven be if the angels came for me Id tell them no
Sounds like he has spent time with this lady and loves her...whether this is in his dreams or in real life, it is too vague to say. possibilities? He sounds like he can't be with her, or he wouldn't say the bolded part... or I guess he could, because if it meant that his death would mean he can't see or hold her anymore then that could be a possibility as well.


No, if the angels took me from this earth
I would tell them bring me back to her
Its a chance Ill take, maybe Ill stay
Heaven can wait
Back seems to infer that he had been with her already, otherwise he would say "bring me TO her" not BACK to her.



Unthinkable
Me sitting up in the clouds and you are all alone
The time might come around when youd be moving on
Id turn it all around and try to get back down to my baby girl cant stand
To see nobody kissing, touching her couldnt take nobody loving you the way
We were what good would heaven be if the angels come for me Id tell them no
Sounds like this is someone he has been with somehow? So does this shoot down the after 2003 theory? or does it simply mean that it was all in his dreams? The lady of his dreams? Or was she around before?


Just leave us alone, leave us alone
Please leave us alone

Talking to the angel of death here??

[Ape]

Can I just make up my own fairy tale to go along with all this no matter how outrageous? Like..throw all reality as we know it aside and play with the possibilities? Bring in the magic and mystery and IMpossibilities? I want to write my own story in this with things that are miraculous and improbable but really sweet. Even if totally far out there and unreal. Disney really could make it into a wonderful new animated romance.

Or should we stick with what we all know and accept in this realm we call reality?



I Just Want To Lay Next To You
For Awhile
You Look So Beautiful Tonight
Your Eyes Are So Lovely
Your Mouth Is So Sweet
A Lot Of People
Misunderstand Me
That's Because They Don't
Know Me At All
I Just Want To Touch You
And Hold You
I Need You
God I Need You
I Love You So Muchmmmm isn’t that so sweet? :wub:

[summer]

FINALLY someone writing about Heaven Can Wait! :lol: I love that song! :yes: Thanks for sharing, Ape! Got more? :D :lol:

You guys should see Michael singing parts of Heaven Can Wait at the Killer Thriller party in 2002 in London! :stretcher: All these people were performing his songs on stage and MJ was up in the balcony watching, and he was singing along and when he sings Heaven Can Wait...AAAAAAWWWWWW! :wub: :stretcher: So cute!! Like he's totally getting into it...with eyes closed and all. :wub: (I know it only because I have it on film! :lol: I was there, but I "forgot" to watch MJ...:doh: :lol: But some fans filmed him and so I have all this footage of him at the party Maybe I could try to film it with my camera from the screen and post it? Hmmm....:scratch:

[TialovesMJ]

^^ awww that is lovely .. so adorable. That would be awesome if you could??:D I love that song. YES Ape, do you have more, that was wonderful.

[summer]

OKay, I'll try. See if it will work...The video is really dark, so not sure how well it will show up when I film it from the screen...But lemme try. Back in a minute.

(Edit: Well...back as soon as I can find my damn camera! :lol: No idea where I put it this time! Can't ya tell how super organized I am! :lol:)

[TialovesMJ]

Yay... :D yeah, very organized LMAO...:P

[summer]

Okay here's the video...It's really crappy quality because I filmed it from my TV screen...Besides, the video is about 5 years old and I have watched it SO MANY TIMES (one of my FAVORITE videos ever...:D ) that the picture is getting all grainy already. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_nujMm5kA8



Anyways...just wanted to share because I love how MJ looks when he's singing "Heaven Can Wait"...:wub: He sings it like he means it. And look how his face lights up when that song starts! :wub: Lucky girl, who ever he was thinking of! :lol:

[cleopatra1975]

ahhh sadly i cant watch it..


huggs

[TialovesMJ]

Okay here's the video...It's really crappy quality because I filmed it from my TV screen...Besides, the video is about 5 years old and I have watched it SO MANY TIMES (one of my FAVORITE videos ever...:D ) that the picture is getting all grainy already. :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_nujMm5kA8



Anyways...just wanted to share because I love how MJ looks when he's singing "Heaven Can Wait"...:wub: He sings it like he means it. And look how his face lights up when that song starts! :wub: Lucky girl, who ever he was thinking of! :lol:



Great video. hah awww MJ was singing along. He is so in love :) :D... That song is so great too!!!Thanks Summer .

[summer]

ahhh sadly i cant watch it..


huggs

Why not? If that link isn't working you can go to: http://www.youtube.com/user/summerviolins It's there. :)


Great video. hah awww MJ was singing along. He is so in love :) :D... That song is so great too!!!Thanks Summer .

You're welcome. :)

[Sasha01]

AWWW omg. :wub: Michael in that video, so sweet everyone was singing along to a song that means a lot to him and knew all the words. :lol: He looks so happy. :wub: and yes, lucky girl whoever he was thinking about.

[tyffanny]

wowwww , this is a beautiful video ..
Do you have any other video from that night ? MJ singing any other songs ??
Thanks

[summer]

Well I have like about at least 2 hours of footage...:lol: Save the link to my YouTube page, , maybe I'll add more footage from that night there. I'm too tired to do it now, but maybe I'll have some time to do it tomorrow....Okay? :) By the way, is that you on your avatar? I love that dress! :) I want one! :lol:

Anyways...back on topic. :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

^^ That would be awesome Summer :) :yes: :D

[cleopatra1975]

I cant watch the video cause my government Turkey do not let me enter into this page. you cant enter into youtube.com in Turkey cause you tube is banned...

thank you summer

[Moddie777]

Thank you, Thank you, we are back and able to enjoy this beautiful thread!!!
Since, I have seen a few post about the trial specifically, I thought about this: Did you all notice how on February 14th 2005 (Valentine's Day), Michael wore a beautiful bright and "tailored looking" Red Vest?! Why is this important you ask? Here's my answer, Michael had already begun rebutting rumors about he and the nanny being marrried. Why would a single man acknowledge the ONE DAY IN THE YEAR, set aside for Romance and Love wear the signature color of Red? Because, he was paying respect and showing his devotion and love to the one who holds his heart.
Most married men DO NOT WEAR RED on valentine's day, this maybe small to some but it was not to Michael, HE WAS MAKING A STATEMENT. He was telling us loud and clear; he too was in love and had his valentine back in his life.

[summer]

Then again, MJ always wears red. :lol: But that would be romantic if he did that on purpouse. You know, wear red for Valentine's Day. I guess I missed that...I have never really payed much attention to Valentine's Day or what happens on that day (I'd say I'm pretty grumpy on that day...Not fun to watch all these happy couples walking around hand in hand and buying presents when you're single yourself. *pouts* :lol:). But MJ wearing red on that day. That's sweet. :) Maybe I should do that next year?! Just for fun and to not feel "left out". :lol:

[LindaC781]

You guys are so funny...I never thought of this stuff....I just hope this thread isn't too too intrusive...all we are doing is conjecturing about lyrics and clothes and their meanings, are we not here?

[summer]

It's just a guessing game, more or less, Linda. :lol: It's fun, but you're right...at the same time I hope MJ won't mind IF he ever comes here. I mean, if he reads all this stuff he's probably like "OMG, they are insane! My fans are insane!!" :doh: :lol: Nah Mike...we're just helpless romantics :wub: (who have too much time on their hands)...:lmao: :lmao:

[TialovesMJ]

^^:lmao:......

[Moddie777]

Then again, MJ always wears red. :lol: But that would be romantic if he did that on purpouse. You know, wear red for Valentine's Day. I guess I missed that...I have never really payed much attention to Valentine's Day or what happens on that day (I'd say I'm pretty grumpy on that day...Not fun to watch all these happy couples walking around hand in hand and buying presents when you're single yourself. *pouts* :lol:). But MJ wearing red on that day. That's sweet. :) Maybe I should do that next year?! Just for fun and to not feel "left out". :lol:

Yep summer, you are right, Red is not an uncommon color for Michael to wear
However ,During most the trial Michael mainly wore more subdued, sophisticated and court appropriate colors. Red on valentine's day looked pretty significant to me, even my own husband made a comment about it.

[summer]

Hey....I have one song...What about "Farewell my SUMMER love"...?

"Farewell my SUMMER love...farewell...Girl, I WON'T FORGET YOU"...*flips hair* :zformation:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:






Sorry, I had to! :lol: I was just listening to that song and after reading thsi thread it cracked me up because of it mentioning "SUMMER"...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


Anyways...carry on....don't mind me! :lol: I'm just a clown. If you haven't noticed already! :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

Thank you, Thank you, we are back and able to enjoy this beautiful thread!!!
Since, I have seen a few post about the trial specifically, I thought about this: Did you all notice how on February 14th 2005 (Valentine's Day), Michael wore a beautiful bright and "tailored looking" Red Vest?! Why is this important you ask? Here's my answer, Michael had already begun rebutting rumors about he and the nanny being marrried. Why would a single man acknowledge the ONE DAY IN THE YEAR, set aside for Romance and Love wear the signature color of Red? Because, he was paying respect and showing his devotion and love to the one who holds his heart.
Most married men DO NOT WEAR RED on valentine's day, this maybe small to some but it was not to Michael, HE WAS MAKING A STATEMENT. He was telling us loud and clear; he too was in love and had his valentine back in his life.



Thats a good point..its very interesting that you pointed this out!!!

[Moddie777]

You guys are so funny...I never thought of this stuff....I just hope this thread isn't too too intrusive...all we are doing is conjecturing about lyrics and clothes and their meanings, are we not here?

I am sure you didn't mean to offend anyone here by saying/asking, "are we not here?" Since, I brought up the clothes facture, allow me please to respond to that: Yes, Linda, I am completely here, (aside from the days when, work, my husband and kids get on my last nerve and not give me a break.)lol I apologize if my mentioning the color of Michael's vest made you uneasy to the point of questioning my sanity, To me it too can be looked at in more ways than one, its ok, if you differ in my interpertation.
Would you like to try interperting a song, lyrics or Michael's actions for us to read?

[Ape]

Moddie if you think anyone would be questioning your sanity (I don't think they are) I could post my fairy tale version of all this (I haven't written it, just if I let my imagination go Im sure I could come up with one) and then everyone could question my sanity, and yours, and everyone else's will be SAFE!

[AllForMJ]

What I love about all of this is it is very nice to see him looking like he feels uplifted...like he has something nice to think about that is not painful. When you're in love, you have nice things to think about throughout the day. And if you can couple that with other things in your life that's going well too, it just tops it all off.

Mike deserves happy thoughts. He has spent the majority of his life making other people happy and he deserves to be happy too.

[tyffanny]

thankyou summer , yes its me on the avatar ...thank for my dress lol
I ll keep the link on youtube to see the other video !! I want to see speechless specially lol how he react??
Thankyou so much ....

[tyffanny]

does anybody have a picture of michael wearing red on valentine day like moddie777 mention ? I had never seen this picture and I think there is a good point there!!

[Sasha01]

OMG WRONG THREAD WTF :lmao:

[TialovesMJ]

lol good prediciton Sasha!!:yes:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Sasha01]

lol good prediciton Sasha!!:yes:
OMFG. That post wasn't meant for this thread lol. :hysterical:
I was in the "Do you expect something by or around 08 29..2008?" thread, and then posted, and somehow it ended up here in THIS thread. :mello: Sorry for that "prediction". :lmao: Let's hope I did not JINX anything now, haha..


But I do want to see who he is in love with soon.. :wub::mello:

[TialovesMJ]

OMFG. That post wasn't meant for this thread lol. :hysterical:
I was in the "Do you expect something by or around 08 29..2008?" thread, and then posted, and somehow it ended up here in THIS thread. :mello: Sorry for that "prediction". :lmao: Let's hope I did not JINX anything now, haha..


But I do want to see who he is in love with soon.. :wub::mello:




OMG sasha!!!Opps....:lmao::hysterical:

[Moddie777]

What I love about all of this is it is very nice to see him looking like he feels uplifted...like he has something nice to think about that is not painful. When you're in love, you have nice things to think about throughout the day. And if you can couple that with other things in your life that's going well too, it just tops it all off.

Mike deserves happy thoughts. He has spent the majority of his life making other people happy and he deserves to be happy too.


I second this! But will his fanbase be accepting of the New Michael? Will we come together or will some want to or attempt to divide due to jealousy? Michael deserves all the best.

[Moddie777]

does anybody have a picture of michael wearing red on valentine day like moddie777 mention ? I had never seen this picture and I think there is a good point there!!

google the date tyffany, along with the words, " MJ COURT PIC", I am sure You'll be able to find it, I think I found that picture on a fan picture site or something. Can't remember exactly been such a while.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ *goes and does that as well* :P

*back, thinks that she found it* does he have a black coat (forgot what its called) over his red vest??

[Sasha01]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v1.jpg http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9784/v11sf1.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v2.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v5.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v6.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v7.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v10.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v8.jpg http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v9.jpg

:wub::wub: He looks happy.

[TialovesMJ]

Yes I looks very happy!!!its wonderful.

[Sasha01]

One thing I notice about these pics (not only that he is happy, but since everyone is joining in on the symbolism on what things can mean) ... his broach lol. & I am comparing it to the Invincible drawing waaaay back pages ago. :lmao::mello: The broach looks like a light, star thingy.. and from a part of what the star/light thingy means in the Uri website in the drawing.


To the left of the magnificent eye is a symbol from an outer planet. To the right a striking and wondrous star. A pentagram representing the five elements of the universe:
EARTH, AIR, FIRE and WATER. Do you know what the fifth element is?
It is an ancient symbol, the oldest star. Originally discovered by the Sumerians in ancient Syria, the star was held as a sacred object. It shines so beautifully over the entire magic of Michael Jackson.

LOL I'm not good @ this.. but whatever I gave it a shot. :P JEEEESH :lmao:

[summer]

What I love about all of this is it is very nice to see him looking like he feels uplifted...like he has something nice to think about that is not painful. When you're in love, you have nice things to think about throughout the day. And if you can couple that with other things in your life that's going well too, it just tops it all off.

Mike deserves happy thoughts. He has spent the majority of his life making other people happy and he deserves to be happy too.

I agree 100%. He truly deserves to be happy. Especially after the kind of ordeal he was put through...I hope he will have nothing but happiness, love and peace for the rest of his life. I truly pray God for that for Michael. He's been put through enough...he should be left alone to enjoy life now.


thankyou summer , yes its me on the avatar ...thank for my dress lol
I ll keep the link on youtube to see the other video !! I want to see speechless specially lol how he react??
Thankyou so much ....

Oh you mean, when his mood seems to change when Speechless starts? Sure, I can try to make a video of that. I'll try. :)


I second this! But will his fanbase be accepting of the New Michael? Will we come together or will some want to or attempt to divide due to jealousy? Michael deserves all the best.

Well, I am sure there will always be those who will find something to complain about...And I am sure there will be girls who will be jealous if they know Michael is in love with someone other than them. :rolleyes: :lol: But I'd hope that most fans would be happy for him. I mean, isn't that the main thing? That he's happy and doing well?




http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/bubblepopboom/Michael%20Jackson%20Pictures/v10.jpg


OMG, did anyone notice how HANDSOME he looks in that suit??!!!! :wild::wild::wild: :stretcher :stretcher Look at the LEGS!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!! *faints* :wub:

[Moddie777]

I knew someone would find it! Great! You all are on the ball!!!! It's been so long since, I've seen those pics, I was wrong, it was a red shirt and vest with the color red in it, lol.
My husband and I, both have relatives who are attorney's. The wadrobe of "the accused" is often times the subject of many private counsultation. You are advised how to dress and what colors you should stay away from all together. The more serious the charges the more the attornies are paying attention to every detail. The more attractive the female, the more she is told to lose the makeup and pull her hain back in a bon.
"Red" would not be an appropriate color for a trial of this magnitude, even though Michael looked very chic and dapper. It was a very personal statement he was making.

[TialovesMJ]

yeah he does look good in that suit hahah :D :woohoo: :D As long as MJ is happy. I would be happy,even if he is in love too then thats even better. he deserves it :D

[Sasha01]

He looks so foiiine. :wub: Nice and sharp, MM.

[AllForMJ]

I second this! But will his fanbase be accepting of the New Michael? Will we come together or will some want to or attempt to divide due to jealousy? Michael deserves all the best.
Again, it seems like something is going to be very different this time. I think partly because this thing is taking its time forming. By it happening slowly, he gets to feel it out and see what it's doing. How often does he get a chance to feel something out in his fast moving life? Not very often. Also, have you noticed there seems to be no pressure on it or coming from it? You can look at him and tell.

This is how you know that God is in it...

Also, Mike was going through the most stressful time in his life between '03 and '05. Yet, he looked more energetic during that moment in time than he did in '01. It was only near the very end that he started showings signs of being tired. But up until that point, he became more and more vibrant. Have you ever witnessed anything like that?

[summer]

Again, it seems like something is going to be very different this time. I think partly because this thing is taking its time forming. By it happening slowly, he gets to feel it out and see what it's doing. How often does he get a chance to feel something out in his fast moving life? Not very often. Also, have you noticed there seems to be no pressure on it or coming from it? You can look at him and tell.

This is how you know that God is in it...

Also, Mike was going through the most stressful time in his life between '03 and '05. Yet, he looked more energtic during that moment in time than he did in '01. It was only near the very end that he started showings signs of being tired. But up until that point, he became more and more vibrant. Have you ever witnessed anything like that?

Nope...but that's one of things I admire so much in him. His strength. It is absolutely AMAZING how strong he is. You can't help but to admire and love that about him. It is very inspiring. But then on the other hand it feels almost "unfair" in a way that he always has to be the strong one...That must be really tiring at times. You know, I'm sure no matter how strong you are...there still are times when you just wanna let all your guards down and cry your eyes out and let someone else comfort you. But in Michael's case it seems like he's always the one taking care of others and worrying about others and making sure they are okay...no matter what he is going through himself. And sometimes it feels like he would deserve a "break" from it....and would deserve to let others take care of him for a change. You know, I think it would be great if he would find someone who truly loves him and whom he truly loves...so that he'd for once have someone who'd take care of HIM...so that he could take a break from "being the strong one" at all times. Does that make any sense? But anyways....I really REALLY admire his strength. And that's one of the things that helped me get through losing my dad to, as weird as it sounds. You know, I was a "daddy's girl", I loved my dad and admired him and he was always there for me and it was SO DIFFICULT to lose him. But then I saw what Michael was going through and how STRONG he was and when I saw that I was like "Gosh...he is going through something that is ten BILLION times more difficult...and look how strong he is...Just be like Michael, summer. Just hang in there." That's how I got through it. That's what I meant with hiw strength being an "inspiration".

[SoS]

having some techinical difficulties, 'stuck' with lowercase for the moment and its a wonder i even made it in, to post this...

a couple things i wanted to comment on as far as my personal 'take' on what's been discussed ..

me, like queen g, hearing so many songs all at once within the last few years as well, so, many revelations abound as a result of that and this thread

for one, stranger in moscow rekeased in 1995 (relative to matters of 1993) wasn't the first song where he talks about the pain of lonliness where referenced a few pages back (can't do the "quote" thingy with my tech difficulties) ... just wanted to point that out because,

i'm observing that stranger in moscow seems to be a follow-up 'message' to follow-up what was said in the previoius album, dangerous of 1992, in the song, who is it

stranger in moscow in and of itself, is coming from two perspectives

one, michael's talking about things related to his work life, "here abandoned in my fame...swift and sudden fall from grace etc.,

at the same time, he also takes it to a personal level

he repeats a number of times, i'm living lonely baby!" and is crying

him saying "like a stranger in moscow", is in order to get "that someone" he's singing specifically to, to relate to the depth of the lonliness,

no greater feeling of abandonment and lostness than a stranger of all things .... in moscow of all places

the 'message' is a follow-up to who is it. where he is very conversational and asks the same question in three different ways almost as to demand an answer

he asks,

"do you really see i'm lonely?" - "can you really feel i'm lonely" - "did you really feel i'm lonely?"

those things in s.i.m. are said for her to really see, really feel and really know he was still lonely in 1995 as in 1992

if you'll notice in the album just prior in, twymmf he'd said, "my lonely days are gone!" and he was so happy about it and so full of hopefulness

until dangerous,

where she 'just up and ran away'

and which made him questioin whether she'd ever really 'felt' him in the first place

its also why the entire song is conversational as he goes back and forth "talking to himself" in trying to figure out what happened

and is the reason he asks, 'or is it just a lie' - "it" being the fact that there was a completing connection of oneness that he'd felt very sure about until she did what she did

and then why in the history album, he's making it clear that he's still all alone in yana

and

sputtering all that pain in the adlib, "i'm living lonely baby!" in s.i.m.

in s.i.m., , he's in conversation again, asking the question over and over again, "how does it feel when you're alone and you're cold inside?"

who would just 'up and run away' from him (from his perspective), especially someone who has acknowledged his lonliness and connects it with her own, it would be, someone who's "alone" (obviously) and "cold inside" (again, from his, "then" perspective)

alone without him and he perceived her as being cold inside just for being able and willing to do something like that so he's asking, 'how does it feel huh how does it feel huh how does it feel'

then goes on to tell how he feels, and asks for mercy just as he did in who is it, ("i pray this punishment will have mercy on me)

it also seems to make sense why he mentioned in invincible (the song) the many ways he's tried to "get through"

he mentions the same thing in got the hots which fortunately was released most recently and is a happy song which would seem to indicate that now he understands the 'way' in which he is, and has always been, deeply and spiritually loved and perhaps now appreciates it for what it was/is, as revealed to him in recent years, by the holy spirit or the universe if some prefer

eg., perhaps a deaf ear, or a "cold" eye, was turned to the "materiial" things he may have mstakenly felt he needed to present for him to be loved and now knows that nothing is further from the truth because we can see as allformj has pointed out in a past posting, references to those things is not in his most recent music, only love is.

when you think about it, its easy to imagine him "going there" seeing as how its always been such a normal part of his life, so quite naturally he brings that with him wherever he goes, however, it has not been necessary for love, and perhaps it took all this for him to know that, beyond a shadow of a doubt

god is good

god is love

love is the answer

god is the answer

i may be leaving a few things out of the following thought about love from the bible, the binding document upon which this spiritual relationship is built, because its late and i don't feel so good right now (i'm ok overall, just a.t.m.)

"love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep account of the wrongs, love rejoices with the truth, love believes all things, hopes all thiings, love never fails"

on the surface this to me looks like the "story" of two people who have taken patient and kind to new levels in human relating, spiritually relating i will say

and seems a beautiful story, as long as preconcieved notions don't get in the way
on either side

maybe this is why its got all the disney stories beat ape

because of (presuming things are the way they seem) it being a true story, and as we all know, truth can be a lot of times much more profound than fiction

the best news to me is, we may be discussing the two best 'ben friends' there can be

what are the odds

lord, have merrcy

[Ape]

Can I request that you come in here more often to write your thoughts SOS? The greatest love story. I hope it is true. Divinely brought together. It's really fascinating, and overwhelming really, to think that it could be a reality. That the story that has been present as a common thread in some way throughout his life, music, poetry, could become, or be true. It seems to be too unbelievable, though it also does seem to be present.

I wonder if the lady has been a constant in some way throughout his life. I wonder (if it was about the same one) if she knew that she was the one bringing him through these emotions in some way, or if she had no clue. I wonder if it is something he even thought about, or if he just sang the music.
(letting my imagination go here with possibilities) What if God had planned for them to be together all along and had breathed whispers of hints to them throughout their lives without them really being aware of the full meaning? Imagine that God has a plan for him and for this lady, and while they are living Gods will things are going well, but when they step outside that path, they not only affect their own lives individually, but affect the others as well somehow, putting more distance between themselves and Gods plan. What if the words in song, poetry or story or dreams are Gods message to them of what is, or is to come, but without seeing the whole picture, is not fully understood. What if all this time they were connected in some way without being fully aware of it. If their actions were somehow a reaction to the other, but on a deeply subconscious level so that their lives had parallels. Or maybe more, or different than a subconscious level that tells them to take notice of certain things, but is easy enough to discount as not real, or made up from their own minds. Could that be a possibility?

Maybe I am getting this mixed up with the "Griffin and Sabine" books I have (very cool books btw). That's similar to what I imagine anyways. Where two people are connected, but they aren't even fully aware of it at first till one sees a drawing that the other had dreamed or imagined being drawn, and it lights up a memory of that for them, enough to take notice. Till eventually all the pieces of the puzzle, or mystery, are clear enough to see and it can't be denied anymore. Without the other side of the puzzle, how would it be known? Good books. They really get your imagination going. So that's what brought up my fairy tale idea with regards to all what has been said in this thread. Just possibilities. Would make for a good Disney romance :) .

[SoS]

^ maybe i posted too much, i just now tried editing a bit, truth is more important than anything other than privacy, as for posting more thoughts i guess specific questions would help as i have such limited time these days - my daughters can't stand to see me on here as it takes so much time from them - i liked your comments btw

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

I don't think you posted too much. I understand about you not being able to be on here much. Soon I won't be either. I hope you are feeling better today.

[mysterygirl7]

Can I request that you come in here more often to write your thoughts SOS? The greatest love story. I hope it is true. Divinely brought together. It's really fascinating, and overwhelming really, to think that it could be a reality. That the story that has been present as a common thread in some way throughout his life, music, poetry, could become, or be true. It seems to be too unbelievable, though it also does seem to be present.

I wonder if the lady has been a constant in some way throughout his life. I wonder (if it was about the same one) if she knew that she was the one bringing him through these emotions in some way, or if she had no clue. I wonder if it is something he even thought about, or if he just sang the music.
(letting my imagination go here with possibilities) What if God had planned for them to be together all along and had breathed whispers of hints to them throughout their lives without them really being aware of the full meaning? Imagine that God has a plan for him and for this lady, and while they are living Gods will things are going well, but when they step outside that path, they not only affect their own lives individually, but affect the others as well somehow, putting more distance between themselves and Gods plan. What if the words in song, poetry or story or dreams are Gods message to them of what is, or is to come, but without seeing the whole picture, is not fully understood. What if all this time they were connected in some way without being fully aware of it. If their actions were somehow a reaction to the other, but on a deeply subconscious level so that their lives had parallels. Or maybe more, or different than a subconscious level that tells them to take notice of certain things, but is easy enough to discount as not real, or made up from their own minds. Could that be a possibility?

Maybe I am getting this mixed up with the "Griffin and Sabine" books I have (very cool books btw). That's similar to what I imagine anyways. Where two people are connected, but they aren't even fully aware of it at first till one sees a drawing that the other had dreamed or imagined being drawn, and it lights up a memory of that for them, enough to take notice. Till eventually all the pieces of the puzzle, or mystery, are clear enough to see and it can't be denied anymore. Without the other side of the puzzle, how would it be known? Good books. They really get your imagination going. So that's what brought up my fairy tale idea with regards to all what has been said in this thread. Just possibilities. Would make for a good Disney romance :) .

wow-- so you took all of this from the book.. or do you really think this could be the way it is for the two of them??

I want more Disney stories, they make MJ (I'm MJ) speechless!! :cheeky:

[Ape]

Are those your initials?? :D cool.

I really don't know if that's how it could be for them. I don't know if it is even in any way realistic (well..it doesn't sound realistic I know). I was just letting myself imagine I guess. To think of possibilities. To dream the impossible dream, to fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not goTo right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause
And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star






:huh: ummmm what was I saying? Got carried away there.

Oh yes.. only that I saw parallels to that story and what I could imagine by reading this (and the last) in the dark thread.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[mysterygirl7]

Are those your initials?? :D cool.

I really don't know if that's how it could be for them. I don't know if it is even in any way realistic (well..it doesn't sound realistic I know). I was just letting myself imagine I guess. To think of possibilities. To dream the impossible dream, to fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not goTo right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star
This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause
And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest
And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star






:huh: ummmm what was I saying? Got carried away there.

Oh yes.. only that I saw parallels to that story and what I could imagine by reading this (and the last) in the dark thread.

Yes those are my initials! :yes:

WOW.. you certainly know how to rime :D

I think, Michael must dream of something that, as someone was saying, is even better than Cinderella or anything like that.. I wonder what his type really is.. I have no idea.. he seems to like all types of women.. From Diana Ross to Brooke Shields.. I think he believes in true love.. the only one..

[Ape]

no, I know how to google lyrics ;) It started with "to dream" then "the impossible dream" came to mind, and then more, taking over, and I thought it'd be best to just look them up. It's just me being silly.

It might have been me mentioning that this is, or could be better than any Disney love story. I wouldn't think it is a "type" how many would think of a type. I don't think that it's the outside or superficial anyways. I would imagine his type would just be true, or real.

I think you are probably right with this:
I think he believes in true love.. the only one..

:lol: @ queen g. I am impressed at you knowing how to spell that Don coyote Keyhotey quicksote :P I used to have a really cool shirt with him on it. Illusion.

[TialovesMJ]

Wow...this is amazing!!!!I love romance :D

[Moddie777]

Here's Something elese, you may have discovered. We have already pointed out, the newly added bridge in "For all time", was to her but did you notice, Michael also gives her a sweet little message at the very end of the song? You will not be able to make it out if the volume is too low. It sounds as if he or the studio people purposely drowned out his voice and place the music over it but you can hear him singing something.
I can't make it ALL out, it is very short. Anyone wanna try and post what you think you are hearing, please do, I wanna know.

[AllForMJ]

Here's Something elese, you may have discovered. We have already pointed out, the newly added bridge in "For all time", was to her but did you notice, Michael also gives her a sweet little message at the very end of the song? You will not be able to make it out if the volume is too low. It sounds as if he or the studio people purposely drowned out his voice and place the music over it but you can hear him singing something.
I can't make it ALL out, it is very short. Anyone wanna try and post what you think you are hearing, please do, I wanna know.
Someone posted the lyrics from the booklet that came with the T25 CD for Japan.

He said, "We can make lovin'." If you listen very closely, you will hear him clearly.

:yes:

Is this what you're talking about?

[LindaC781]

OOOhhh the plot thickens...I'd ask you to tell me more, but then again, I don't want to intrude too much into MJ personal matters...personal matters are just that, personal....

[AllForMJ]

having some techinical difficulties, 'stuck' with lowercase for the moment and its a wonder i even made it in, to post this...

a couple things i wanted to comment on as far as my personal 'take' on what's been discussed ..

me, like queen g, hearing so many songs all at once within the last few years as well, so, many revelations abound as a result of that and this thread

for one, stranger in moscow rekeased in 1995 (relative to matters of 1993) wasn't the first song where he talks about the pain of lonliness where referenced a few pages back (can't do the "quote" thingy with my tech difficulties) ... just wanted to point that out because,

i'm observing that stranger in moscow seems to be a follow-up 'message' to follow-up what was said in the previoius album, dangerous of 1992, in the song, who is it

stranger in moscow in and of itself, is coming from two perspectives

one, michael's talking about things related to his work life, "here abandoned in my fame...swift and sudden fall from grace etc.,

at the same time, he also takes it to a personal level

he repeats a number of times, i'm living lonely baby!" and is crying

him saying "like a stranger in moscow", is in order to get "that someone" he's singing specifically to, to relate to the depth of the lonliness,

no greater feeling of abandonment and lostness than a stranger of all things .... in moscow of all places

the 'message' is a follow-up to who is it. where he is very conversational and asks the same question in three different ways almost as to demand an answer

he asks,

"do you really see i'm lonely?" - "can you really feel i'm lonely" - "did you really feel i'm lonely?"

those things in s.i.m. are said for her to really see, really feel and really know he was still lonely in 1995 as in 1992

if you'll notice in the album just prior in, twymmf he'd said, "my lonely days are gone!" and he was so happy about it and so full of hopefulness

until dangerous,

where she 'just up and ran away'

and which made him questioin whether she'd ever really 'felt' him in the first place

its also why the entire song is conversational as he goes back and forth "talking to himself" in trying to figure out what happened

and is the reason he asks, 'or is it just a lie' - "it" being the fact that there was a completing connection of oneness that he'd felt very sure about until she did what she did

and then why in the history album, he's making it clear that he's still all alone in yana

and

sputtering all that pain in the adlib, "i'm living lonely baby!" in s.i.m.

in s.i.m., , he's in conversation again, asking the question over and over again, "how does it feel when you're alone and you're cold inside?"

who would just 'up and run away' from him (from his perspective), especially someone who has acknowledged his lonliness and connects it with her own, it would be, someone who's "alone" (obviously) and "cold inside" (again, from his, "then" perspective)

alone without him and he perceived her as being cold inside just for being able and willing to do something like that so he's asking, 'how does it feel huh how does it feel huh how does it feel'

then goes on to tell how he feels, and asks for mercy just as he did in who is it, ("i pray this punishment will have mercy on me)

it also seems to make sense why he mentioned in invincible (the song) the many ways he's tried to "get through"

he mentions the same thing in got the hots which fortunately was released most recently and is a happy song which would seem to indicate that now he understands the 'way' in which he is, and has always been, deeply and spiritually loved and perhaps now appreciates it for what it was/is, as revealed to him in recent years, by the holy spirit or the universe if some prefer

eg., perhaps a deaf ear, or a "cold" eye, was turned to the "materiial" things he may have mstakenly felt he needed to present for him to be loved and now knows that nothing is further from the truth because we can see as allformj has pointed out in a past posting, references to those things is not in his most recent music, only love is.

when you think about it, its easy to imagine him "going there" seeing as how its always been such a normal part of his life, so quite naturally he brings that with him wherever he goes, however, it has not been necessary for love, and perhaps it took all this for him to know that, beyond a shadow of a doubt

god is good

god is love

love is the answer

god is the answer

i may be leaving a few things out of the following thought about love from the bible, the binding document upon which this spiritual relationship is built, because its late and i don't feel so good right now (i'm ok overall, just a.t.m.)

"love is patient, love is kind, love does not keep account of the wrongs, love rejoices with the truth, love believes all things, hopes all thiings, love never fails"

on the surface this to me looks like the "story" of two people who have taken patient and kind to new levels in human relating, spiritually relating i will say

and seems a beautiful story, as long as preconcieved notions don't get in the way
on either side

maybe this is why its got all the disney stories beat ape

because of (presuming things are the way they seem) it being a true story, and as we all know, truth can be a lot of times much more profound than fiction

the best news to me is, we may be discussing the two best 'ben friends' there can be

what are the odds

lord, have merrcy
Oh yeah. You're riiiiiiight. It sure does go back to "Who Is It." It's in the line where he says, "I can't take it 'cause I'm lonely!"

See, this is why I love what he's saying in the song "The Way You Love Me." He said, "you came in time." It's nice hearing him say this. It means he doesn't feel as lonely now. I'm sure he's very much looking forward to the rest, but at least it's nice to see that what's presently playing out still brings him joy. It's in his voice.

This is also why I keep looking at these verses from "You Are My Life" and "Someone In The Dark."


"You Are My Life"

Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own
I was lonely

You suddenly appeared
If the person suddenly appeared, then they appeared unannounced.


"Someone In The Dark"

All alone wishing on stars
Waiting for you to find me
One sweet night I knew I would see
A stranger who’d be my friend
If he was wishing and waiting for someone to find him and someone suddenly appeared, then his wish came true.


"The Way You Love Me"

I was alone in the dark when I met you
You took my hand and you told me you love me
I was alone
There was no love in my life
I was afraid of life and you came in time
If there was no love in his life until this person came, as he said in "The Way You Love Me," then this person brought love to him and kept showing him love continuously. This is why he said her ever-present love held him, and why he said he would treasure her devotion.

Even the way that he said good-bye to her before leaving after being exonerated and going overseas shows that he was saying good-bye to a friend that he fell in love with. It kinda sounds like something that would be said to a Summer love before going home.

Now, he's back from overseas and what is he doing? He's putting out love songs again. Why is he sounding happier? Because he made it through everything and his lady friend is still around.

He is experiencing an upturn in all areas of his life right now. It's happening for real.

We can tell there's an upturn taking place in his love life because he released a love song where he is actually singing the words "I'm in love." He also sounds sincere. He especially sounds sincere near the end of the song. He's even acting like he is.

Then, there are all the positive things that are taking place with his music and other projects. Look at the success of Thriller 25. Look at the way that it shot up the top of the charts world wide. Look at the positive response that he's getting for the song "Hold My Hand" that he's singing with Akon?

Look at the way people have been doing things to show their appreciation for him. It's happening everywhere. It's happening via television, radio, in print and on the Internet. There are people of all races showing their appreciation for him. The people showing their appreciation for him are little kids on up to adults.

He's got to be feeling elated right now. There are many wonderful things happening simultaneously. It's all happening for real.

And do you see who gets all the glory?

God gets ALL the glory, because it was God's hands that Michael placed EVERYTHING in.

:D

Also, because God IS involved, I think the media will know not to interfere with MJ's new relationship in any negative way. God already showed the media during the trial what he thinks about their behavior when they are being selfish. As the entire world watched, God sent the media home writing stories that contain the words innocent, exonerated, vindicated, not guilty, cleared, acquitted and free. The only time they got the chance to use the word defeated was when they wrote about the person that set off the media storm. God is the mightiest warrior alive.

[Ape]

Even the way that he said good-bye to her before leaving after being exonerated and going overseas shows that he was saying good-bye to a friend that he fell in love with. It kinda sounds like something that would be said to a Summer love before going home.

Thank you for writing more :)

How did he say goodbye to her? I missed that part I think.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ I am wondering too :yes:

[tyffanny]

summer did upload more video on youtube about mj in london????
Thankyou :angel:

[AllForMJ]

Thank you for writing more :)

How did he say goodbye to her? I missed that part I think.


^^ I am wondering too :yes:
Go and read post #576. While you are reading it, keep in mind that I've already pointed out that he was telling her he needs her in "One More Chance" and "Fall Again." Also think about what he's saying in "For All Time."

He was talking to her in that part of his thank you message, and this also shows that he was in love before, during and after the trial.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=39

.

[Ape]

Oh, I never realized that was a goodbye. Something I am wondering. He must have said goodbye then to her for real as well right? Why did he say goodbye?

I was not around after the trial till a while ago, I heard about him being in Bahrain but nothing more. What happened during all that time? Basically the last couple of years?

[TialovesMJ]

omg this is getting interesting.... yes why did he???:)

[AllForMJ]

Oh, I never realized that was a goodbye. Something I am wondering. He must have said goodbye then to her for real as well right? Why did he say goodbye?

I was not around after the trial till a while ago, I heard about him being in Bahrain but nothing more. What happened during all that time? Basically the last couple of years?
It doesn't seem like it was a permanent good-bye. It just seems like he said good-bye because he was going away for a while to recuperate. He left shortly after saying that. "For All Time" is the first love song he released since returning to the U.S. So, that shows the good-bye was temporary. Plus, the way he said, "I'll never forget you" shows he was going to keep her on his mind. "For All Time" shows that he did.

[TialovesMJ]

Well that's so sweet :D

[AllForMJ]

Don't you love his personality?

[TialovesMJ]

Hahaha of course :D :yes: He is a true romantic for sure!!!

[SoS]

as an aside, and this just may initially read as a bit mixed up because i seem to have arrived at understanding something by reasoning it backwards lol, but anyway, this may make sense in the end,

i was noticing the line that says, 'you can't run away the past is said and done" made me wonder how mj came to terms with the 'running away'
which he evidently did, as he also says, "i need us to carry on"

at some point he came to understand that her heart was continually with him even though she did that, maybe because he knows that love doesn't change being that love is the alpha and the omega

then i started thinking about the line in invincible where he says, "how does it seem that you ain't checkin' for me" and in the same song mentions not being able to "get through" no matter how he "try to"

then i got to thinking about how some persons i know of have missed many of his songs due to where they were along their spiritual journey, rendering their lives as somewhat "sequestered" in a sense, from the secular musical scene etc., ....

then ... i got to thinking about how when mj was reported to have left the religion of his upbringing in the late 80s and how that particular religion "forbids" contact with anyone who dissassociates themselves,

then i got to thinking about how devestated a friend of mine was when the love of her life did something similiar and how obligated she felt in that (same) religion to "prove" her devotion to god by leaving him alone...

... now i said all that to say ... it could lend an explanation to why he wasn't "getting through" and how it seemed she wasn't checking for him

well as most people who have been through the "religious" ropes can attest, eventually one comes to a point of spiritual maturity and realization (in other words they "wake up" lol don't anyone be offended please lol... just trying to get this point made ) everyone matures into their spirituality which the "religiion" a lot of times helps them to attain, then they are no longer "dependent" upon a "religion" and in their maturity are able to exercise choices that come from their own heart and their own spirit

ok, and so when he went through the trial, she too was in a different "religious" place as far as having gained greater understanding and without the 'restrictions' was able to run to him (so to speak) without hesitation in 2003

because even though something outside a person (like a "religion") can impede communication, there is nothing that can impede the actual holy spirit of true love, that lives within the spirit and heart of a human being, thus devotion was manifested in the end, after all they had been through in (spite of? so to speak) the religion of their youth

it would make sense for how a spiritual 'bond' could exist despite her "leaving" and how at this point it can be considered that "the past is said and done" giving rise to the expression, "i need us to carry on" -

ok that's it, just wanted to say that

another aside off topic, fyi - my pm is almost full and my tech difficulties currently hinder me from getting in there to either clean it or return a pm

so for my kind, concerned friends, i'm fine....ruptured a blood vessell in my right eye and its a bit annoying and also i'm a bit bothered despite of my composure, otherwise i'm fine, really and thank you very much for inquiring, all is well and all will be well, which is my personal motto and thanks very much, again

i'm a little concerned as others are that mj might not appreciate this open "analysis" however, the thing that makes me feel ok with it is insofar as it can serve as an aid to understanding for those to whom this all is relevant, again, if things are as they seem, and - who knows - perhaps mj has his "advisors" to talk to and perhaps his "lady friend" has this thread among this "multitude of counselors"

allformj, i appreciate what you said about god's spirit protecting it from the press (well my words) i love the way you put that, yes, like pharoh, they better be taking notice of what happens when they mess with that which belongs to jehovah, and if we're onto something, this "story" definitely does

[Ape]

Wow SOS. That actually sounds like it makes perfect sense. I really don't know what else to add. It sounds very much like that could be what happened. It's easy enough to talk about when it sounds like a fairy tale but when it sounds all so realistic, yes, suddenly it feels very private. But like you say, whomever this really is relevant to can probably find comfort, or support or maybe some guidance in this as well. :) and she would know that she has the blessings of (many of) the fans as well.

[AllForMJ]

One of the reasons why the house of worship is important is because it gives those that do not know they can have a relationship with God a place to go and find out. Once they find out, it is their responsibility to speak to God on their own. It is when they start speaking to Him on their own that they start growing. He is a teacher as well as a parent.

I truly feel that Michael is as spiritual as he is because of the distance that has been placed between him and regular people. Because of the great grap, he needed someone to talk to. From listening to the way that he speaks and reading things that he has written, like his poems, it's obvious that he spent a large amount of his time talking with God. It shows.

If his mother did not have him out going door to door with the Watch Tower, he would have had even less exposure to the home life of regular people. Thank God for Katherine Jackson because she is the one that introduce him to God.

About this thread. I sometimes have mixed feelings and wonder if certain things should not be discussed. But then something says, "No, do it. People need to know that not only was he innocent while going through that trial, but he was also in love and she was on his mind the whole time."

When I look at the way that he put out these song and really listen to them, I notice that he was not hiding his feelings. He released these songs himself. It's nice that he was doing it. It's the only reason why we're able to look back and see that he was in love. When you look at what he's been singing and look at his appearance...that glow...that smile...you can also see it.

Also, I truly feel that God is going to continue stopping the media until they learn to stop on their own.

[Dri]

I don't know if I should write it here, but I think MJ loved one woman in his life. And I read some of his songs... I see that and more: does he regret something?
But MJ wants to be happy.MJ wants find a love.

But I believe it doesn't think more in this woman and he turned the page of the book.
MJ wants "one more chance" ...

[LindaC781]

One of the reasons why the house of worship is important is because it gives those that do not know they can have a relationship with God a place to go and find out. Once they find out, it is their responsibility to speak to God on their own. It is when they start speaking to Him on their own that they start growing. He is a teacher as well as a parent.

I truly feel that Michael is as spiritual as he is because of the distance that has been placed between him and regular people. Because of the great grap, he needed someone to talk to. From listening to the way that he speaks and reading things that he has written, like his poems, it's obvious that he spent a large amount of his time talking with God. It shows.

If his mother did not have him out going door to door with the Watch Tower, he would have had even less exposure to the home life of regular people. Thank God for Katherine Jackson because she is the one that introduce him to God.

About this thread. I sometimes have mixed feelings and wonder if certain things should not be discussed. But then something says, "No, do it. People need to know that not only was he innocent while going through that trial, but he was also in love and she was on his mind the whole time."

When I look at the way that he put out these song and really listen to them, I notice that he was not hiding his feelings. He released these songs himself. It's nice that he was doing it. It's the only reason why we're able to look back and see that he was in love. When you look at what he's been singing and look at his appearance...that glow...that smile...you can also see it.

Also, I truly feel that God is going to continue stopping the media until they learn to stop on their own.

I fully support MJ and all that he has gone through. May THIS one be "The One" for now and always....

As far as worshipping in a church...I always go back to the Bible for an answer for this question:

"Pray in Private

Matt 6:5-6
5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
(NIV)"

[AllForMJ]

I fully support MJ and all that he has gone through. May THIS one be "The One" for now and always....

As far as worshipping in a church...I always go back to the Bible for an answer for this question:

"Pray in Private

Matt 6:5-6
5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
(NIV)"
LindaC781, I think what you have posted is the perfect way to end the discussion in this thread.
:flowers:

Let God have the last word...

[Ape]

I hate to add after you have said end discussion...but I wanted to say how much it helped me to have people post their prayers in the pray and fast thread when praying for me. I really needed that. Maybe it would have done the same had I not seen the prayers, but it gave me a chance to pray WITH people, and gave me peace. I believe that scripture means that the ones who pray for the sake of being seen. That isn't actual prayer anyways. That is showing off and being fake if it is not from their heart to God but just to be seen to make themselves look good. I think that's why I, for the longest time had a problem with saying God bless you. Seems silly but until I was able to do it without feeling like it was contrived, then I shouldn't say it or I'd be like the hypocrites. The difference is, hypocrites won't pray when nobody is watching will they? If it is just for show. So really it comes down to what your motives are and what is in your heart. If we all stuck to behind closed doors to pray then the prayer and fast thread would be empty and I know that thread has blessed so many people. Now maybe I misunderstood your usage of it though, but I really wanted to add that because I don't want people to stop sharing about God and their relationship with God. It's really nice. Part of it will always be personal and so private, but if we can share a bit of it with others, it can be a beautiful thing that we all can learn and grow from (quite paralleling this thread idea as well).


(maybe this might help too)
Matthew 5, 13-16


Salt and Light

<sup id="en-NIV-23248">13</sup>"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
<sup id="en-NIV-23249">14</sup>"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. <sup id="en-NIV-23250">15</sup>Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. <sup id="en-NIV-23251">16</sup>In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

[No-Body]

AllForMJ,

I am terribly sorry to intervene now when the discussion is over. I am not really used to posting in the forum that much, probably the Pray and Fast thread is the only where I still do. This topic was so intriguing though and somewhat related to that one, I just had two say a couple of things.

In the Bible it is also written:

I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them. - Matthew 18 :19-20

One of the reasons I enjoyed more all of your comments rather than posting is because I have no insight to offer. I can only join all of you in wishing Michael the very best in finding the true love that he so rightfully and abundantly deserves.

God's will be done and may the Lord bless you all.

[AllForMJ]

Actually, God's going to get the last word no matter what. He always does.
:D

[AllForMJ]

I remained pretty quiet most of the day, but something just came to me a moment ago and it seems like I'm supposed to post it. Right now, I'm on my way home. So, I'll post it after I get there.

Something just came to me explaining why God used a woman.

[summer]

I remained pretty quiet most of the day, but something just came to me a moment ago and it seems like I'm supposed to post it. Right now, I'm on my way home. So, I'll post it after I get there.

Something just came to me explaining why God used a woman.

Uhm...maybe because Michael is a man and straight and interested in women? :bugeyed Just a wild guess....:tease::lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry...!!! :lol: I had to! :lol: Because that kind of cracked me up because it was so cute in a way because it was like "Wow...a WOMAN?!" :bugeyed :lol: Sorrrryyyy!!! :lol: Don't mind me...I have a weird sense of humor!! :tease: :lol: :lol: Can't wait to read what you had in mind though, AllForMJ! :)


Nice to read all the thoughts here. :) And I can't remember who posted the "pray in private" part...but I liked it, because that is one of the things from the Bible I often quote too.

[SoS]

just to add a bit to the point about church, worship and praying in public or private, i feel these are different things that often get collapsed into one thing, the way i see it

while its very true that no one need go to church to pray, bible believers congregating has an expanded purpose - its so that the body of christ can be built up which takes place among members of the body - many times we don't go to a place to congregate and for many reasons, as long as we "do not forsake the gathering of ourselves together" Hebrews 10:25, "forsake" according to the New Merrriam Webster Dictionary, "to give up entirely" because when we do gather, it is as the scripture quoted above, "where two or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" - true god is with us all the time, however, when we gather, our spirits blend to create 'one' spirit which is why he says, "there i am also" - praying in public serves a different purpose, that of joining spirits upon one intent, whether it be healing or helping in some way and where spirits are joined, it is not "in public" as much as it in "congregation" among fellow believers for the purpose of strengthening, praying in private is a personal relationship aspect, with our father who hears in secret, so all that to say, no we do not have to "go" anywhere in order to pray and yet if we do, it serves a different purpose than just the prayer itself

[TialovesMJ]

I remained pretty quiet most of the day, but something just came to me a moment ago and it seems like I'm supposed to post it. Right now, I'm on my way home. So, I'll post it after I get there.

Something just came to me explaining why God used a woman.


ahhhhh We want to know.. Can't wait to see your explaination!!:D :)

[mysterygirl7]

Uhm...maybe because Michael is a man and straight and interested in women? :bugeyed Just a wild guess....:tease::lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry...!!! :lol: I had to! :lol: Because that kind of cracked me up because it was so cute in a way because it was like "Wow...a WOMAN?!" :bugeyed :lol: Sorrrryyyy!!! :lol: Don't mind me...I have a weird sense of humor!! :tease: :lol: :lol: Can't wait to read what you had in mind though, AllForMJ! :)


Nice to read all the thoughts here. :) And I can't remember who posted the "pray in private" part...but I liked it, because that is one of the things from the Bible I often quote too.


:hysterical::hysterical:

[TialovesMJ]

Uhm...maybe because Michael is a man and straight and interested in women? :bugeyed Just a wild guess....:tease::lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry...!!! :lol: I had to! :lol: Because that kind of cracked me up because it was so cute in a way because it was like "Wow...a WOMAN?!" :bugeyed :lol: Sorrrryyyy!!! :lol: Don't mind me...I have a weird sense of humor!! :tease: :lol: :lol: Can't wait to read what you had in mind though, AllForMJ! :)


Nice to read all the thoughts here. :) And I can't remember who posted the "pray in private" part...but I liked it, because that is one of the things from the Bible I often quote too.


:lmao::giggle:

[mysterygirl7]

^^You just did that, cause I did it:tease:




















:rofl:

[TialovesMJ]

:o :unsure:...........Maybe.........maybe not :lol:
dun.... dun...dun...

[mysterygirl7]

Err.. to put it in Macaulay Culkins words: "We all do..!!


Sorry I was just teasing..:wub:

[TialovesMJ]

Sureeeeeeee... you better be or else... or else.......ELSE I'll













Give you a :flowers: heheheh :D :hug:

[mysterygirl7]

LOL.. you are cute and :cheeky: ...Cheeky!!



Shut.. we are spoilin' the thread, but they gotta come in here and write something don't you think?? :yes:



S

[mysterygirl7]

Why did I write an "S"?:scratch:

[TialovesMJ]

hahah Thanks! :P You are too :D Ya it is off topic isn't it? ummm No idea why you typed "S"...does it relate to This thread..owww I want to know :woohoo: j/k :lmao:

[mysterygirl7]

HAHAH.. yeah I wonder that too... the mysterious "S"..


You are funny.. :D

[TialovesMJ]

"S".......... :o!!so mysterious lmao j/k!!!

[mysterygirl7]

S






Shh... I won't say ANYMORE!!

[AllForMJ]

Because MJ had befriended Uri and the Rabbi, it is obvious that he wanted to be around people that were spiritual. It is good that he wanted spiritual friends around him at the start of the millennium because it made it easier for him to embrace the woman that God had sent to him.

Although both Uri and the Rabbi are spiritual-minded, God knew it was going to be impossible for either of them to do what Michael needed. What he needed required someone being able to get very close to him. He never would have allowed Uri or the Rabbi to get as close to him as he would allow a woman. Plus, the type of love that he had been longing for is the type of love that he would only expect from a woman.

If you listen very closely to the song “Will You Be There”, you will notice that the entire song is about a woman that became his friend. You can tell because the last line of the first verse says, “you are my friend” and because the words “hold me,” “love me” and “kiss me” are in the seventh verse.

As a heterosexual man, MJ is only going to say these things to a woman. And notice that holding him, loving him and kissing him are the very things he said she was doing to him in the song, “The Way You Love Me.”

Verse 1 “Will You Be There”

Hold me
Like the river Jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend

Verse 7

(Hold me)
Lead me
(Love me and feed me)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
(Kiss me and free me)
Yeah
(I will feel blessed)
I'm only human

God knew exactly what He was doing when He pulled MJ away from Uri and the Rabbi and sent the woman instead. He wanted MJ to be able to fully embrace her which is something MJ would have been unable to do otherwise.

Without being able to embrace her spiritually, the feeling of loneliness was never going to leave and the feeling of being loved was never going to begin. With the spiritual male friends, MJ had to hold back. With the female friend he was able to join in and that’s how the bond would form.

From listening to the fourth verse of “Will You Be There,” you can also tell that this song, though released in the ‘90’s, applied to the trial that MJ just went through. You can tell because of the words, “fight till the end.” These are the words that Mesereau spoke in front of the courthouse once he became MJ’s attorney in 2004.

Also, everything MJ said in the second part of his June ’05 thank you message, following his exoneration, shows his lady friend that he’s speaking of was there for him. And the last part of the spoken words of “Will You Be There” were reiterated in the thank you message as well.

********************************

Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible.

You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through.

I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration.

Love,

Michael Jackson

***********************************

In “Will You Be There” he’s asking if she will be there. In the thank you message he said she was there.

In “Will You Be There” he said hold me. In the thank you message he said, “Your ever-present love held me.”

In “Will You Be There” he said carry me. In the thank you message he’s telling her she carried him.

At the end of “Will You Be There” he said, “I’ll never let you part.” In the thank you message he said, “I’ll never forget you.”

At the end of “Will You Be There” he said, “For you’re always in my heart.” In the thank you message he said, “I will treasure your devotion and support forever.”

Also, notice that at the end of his “Will You Be There” concert performance a female angel comes down and embraces him after he’s done speaking about the turbulence and everything. This shows that God was going to play a role in bringing him comfort and that it was going to occur in a spiritual way.

Also notice that God sent MJ a lady friend so he could fall in love before going through the trial. This can be seen by the way that MJ is saying “I can’t stop loving you” at the end of “One More Chance.” Because it happened beforehand, he had something pleasant to keep his mind on. The trial would have been much more harder on him if he did not have love in his life at the time.

“Will You Be There,” “You Are My Life” and “Someone In The Dark” all point to being lonely and lost. All three songs also point to someone finding him and becoming his friend.

God was working it out and had her right there. If she wasn’t there MJ would not be singing to her or about her. He and his music are interlaced. Whatever he’s feeling comes out in his music.

One last thing….

There was only one way that he was supposed to meet her and that is without the help of other people. Uri and the Rabbi were trying to play match maker. If you listen to “You Are My Life” and “Someone In The Dark” you will notice that she was supposed to arrive unannounced. And if you also listen to “The Way You Love Me” it will confirm that he was supposed to meet her while he was alone. All three songs mention him being alone. He was supposed to meet her on his own after God sent her.

[AllForMJ]

Uhm...maybe because Michael is a man and straight and interested in women? :bugeyed Just a wild guess....:tease::lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry...!!! :lol: I had to! :lol: Because that kind of cracked me up because it was so cute in a way because it was like "Wow...a WOMAN?!" :bugeyed :lol: Sorrrryyyy!!! :lol: Don't mind me...I have a weird sense of humor!! :tease: :lol: :lol: Can't wait to read what you had in mind though, AllForMJ! :)


Nice to read all the thoughts here. :) And I can't remember who posted the "pray in private" part...but I liked it, because that is one of the things from the Bible I often quote too.
You are 100% correct, summer. That's why God used a woman to help MJ bounce back.
:yes:

[TialovesMJ]

Interesting AllForMJ. Thanks for pointing things out, esp. "Will ou Be There!" I knew there was some type of messge in there..Like with the Angel at the end and MJ's speaking about tubulance ... what a coincidence, y'day I listened to "Will Youe Be there"( No joke either) and thought of this thread I don't know..just did?? And now I know why? AllForMj you pointed out some intresting things that realted to this thread.. yup..ok i'm done.. What i said doesn't make sense..KILLED IT!!lol :X

[Ape]

AllForMJ....jaw dropping post. really. You have the ability to spell it all out so beautifully. (ok I gotta go! glad I got to read this before leaving. Take care everyone!! Don't marry MJ off while I am gone) ...lol ... I guess when I return I'll get to read whatever happens while I'm away. Maybe I'll peek in here at my moms.

[mysterygirl7]

Have anyone noticed how MJ in the Madison Square Garden concert, and at other occations said:.. I love YOU!!..as if he was talking to someone special out there...

[TialovesMJ]

^^ :o yeah I have noticed the same thing!!!

[AllForMJ]

He's actually saying that to his fans when he's in concert. He truly loves his fans.
:yes:

[AllForMJ]

AllForMJ....jaw dropping post. really. You have the ability to spell it all out so beautifully. (ok I gotta go! glad I got to read this before leaving. Take care everyone!! Don't marry MJ off while I am gone) ...lol ... I guess when I return I'll get to read whatever happens while I'm away. Maybe I'll peek in here at my moms.
Okay. We won't.
:lol:

[AllForMJ]

just to add a bit to the point about church, worship and praying in public or private, i feel these are different things that often get collapsed into one thing, the way i see it

while its very true that no one need go to church to pray, bible believers congregating has an expanded purpose - its so that the body of christ can be built up which takes place among members of the body - many times we don't go to a place to congregate and for many reasons, as long as we "do not forsake the gathering of ourselves together" Hebrews 10:25, "forsake" according to the New Merrriam Webster Dictionary, "to give up entirely" because when we do gather, it is as the scripture quoted above, "where two or more are gathered in my name, there i am also" - true god is with us all the time, however, when we gather, our spirits blend to create 'one' spirit which is why he says, "there i am also" - praying in public serves a different purpose, that of joining spirits upon one intent, whether it be healing or helping in some way and where spirits are joined, it is not "in public" as much as it in "congregation" among fellow believers for the purpose of strengthening, praying in private is a personal relationship aspect, with our father who hears in secret, so all that to say, no we do not have to "go" anywhere in order to pray and yet if we do, it serves a different purpose than just the prayer itself
Oh yes indeed!
:yes:

[AllForMJ]

I almost forgot something...

In the spoken words of "Will You Be There" he said, "In the promise of another tomorrow." These words are referring to a new beginning.

The theme of his web site that he launched in March 2004 was "A New Beginning" and his new beginning is happening right now.

Therefore, his song "Will You Be There" is definitely a prophetic song...every line of it...every word.

[DMGJACKSON]

hi, you guys are fabulous I'm not good at Interpertation's AllforMJ *smile*...
But the new version of '' The Girl Is Mine '' Is up- beated clearly ,you can feel and lift In michael's voice through out this new version...Have you noticed the difference of this slow song In It's original format ,compared to the new one ? ( Don't know If this makes sense ,my post) To do this song up-tempo ,to me says he was feeling happy ,uplifted more '' Is he speaking to her at the end ? ' Girl you know I care '
or It's simply part of the chorus /Ablibing ?

[eXceLOfFam1]

i didnt read ALL OF THE POSTS in this thread because there are way too many lol...but i noticed u compared For All Time and Stranger In Moscow, but For All Time was recorded in the 80's, so it's before stranger in moscow, so how can it be that mj is talking about the shadows any differently, if u understand what i mean?

[summer]

I guess their point was not in when the songs were recorded (or who wrote them) but rather in which songs Michael chose to release and when and in what order...That's if I understood correctly, with mah blonde self and all. :doh: :lol:

I'm not really good at making all the theories and all that, so that's why I just read what others write. But it's still fun to see what kind of stuff they found out or thought of this time. It's fun to read! :) Very romantic too! :wub: We can dream, right?! :lol:

[summer]

Even the way that he said good-bye to her before leaving after being exonerated and going overseas shows that he was saying good-bye to a friend that he fell in love with. It kinda sounds like something that would be said to a Summer love before going home.



:bugeyed

:kickass:


:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical::hysterical::hysterical:


*singing and snapping fingers*


"Bye, bye....Don't turn around....'Cause you might see me cry... :boohoo: ....Farewell my summer love, farewell....Girl I won't forget you....Farewell, my summer love, farewell...Oooh....Farewell....farewell..."


:mello:

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[LindaC781]

I guess their point was not in when the songs were recorded (or who wrote them) but rather in which songs Michael chose to release and when and in what order...That's if I understood correctly, with mah blonde self and all. :doh: :lol:

I'm not really good at making all the theories and all that, so that's why I just read what others write. But it's still fun to see what kind of stuff they found out or thought of this time. It's fun to read! :) Very romantic too! :wub: We can dream, right?! :lol:

Oh!! I get this thread finally...after all this time (yea, I'm a little slow! LOL!) What you guys are saying is that MJ recorded a bunch of songs, then hand-picked them to correspond to certain things going on in his life? Yeah, that may be true...hadn't thought of that...!!

[TialovesMJ]

^^ interesting!!!this is sooo SWEET aww MJ lol..:):D

[LindaC781]

^^ Isn't it?? If this is true, I wish MJ absolutely the very best. This shows just how much of a true romantic HE is....and any woman would have to thank their lucky stars to have such a man in her life!!

[laurenjayne]

^ so true!! :)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Isn't it?? If this is true, I wish MJ absolutely the very best. This shows just how much of a true romantic HE is....and any woman would have to thank their lucky stars to have such a man in her life!!


Awwww yes I surely :wub: this!!:D I wish MJ the best with this lady in his life.. its so romantic..MJ deserves to be happy!!!!What a Romantic thing..hopefully we are on track with this awwww I love this...:D

[Moddie777]

Oh!! I get this thread finally...after all this time (yea, I'm a little slow! LOL!) What you guys are saying is that MJ recorded a bunch of songs, then hand-picked them to correspond to certain things going on in his life? Yeah, that may be true...hadn't thought of that...!!

LindaC781, you absolutely cracked me up with this!!, LoL.

ok, lemme gather myself.
You guys remember shortly after that terrible "Hurricane Katrina" hit in New Orleans and we recieved official word, Michael had written a song for the survivors? Do you recall how the national media presented it? I remember watching either MSNBC or CNN, a female news correspondant came on with a huge smile reporting the 2 songs for that terrible catasophre.
I noticed, at the bottom of the screen, scrolled the song titles as she spoke. The scrolling was in this ORDER. "From the bottom of my heart", "You are so beautiful". To this day, these songs have yet to be released. Was this part of Michael's plan? In addition to Michael wanting to do something for the people who were suffering, could this have also been a message to her. Look closely at how the titles (words) were scrolling together.

[laurenjayne]

^ you are very observant! i never would have noticed anything like that :lol:

[summer]

LindaC781, you absolutely cracked me up with this!!, LoL.

ok, lemme gather myself.
You guys remember shortly after that terrible "Hurricane Katrina" hit in New Orleans and we recieved official word, Michael had written a song for the survivors? Do you recall how the national media presented it? I remember watching either MSNBC or CNN, a female news correspondant came on with a huge smile reporting the 2 songs for that terrible catasophre.
I noticed, at the bottom of the screen, scrolled the song titles as she spoke. The scrolling was in this ORDER. "From the bottom of my heart", "You are so beautiful". To this day, these songs have yet to be released. Was this part of Michael's plan? In addition to Michael wanting to do something for the people who were suffering, could this have also been a message to her. Look closely at how the titles (words) were scrolling together.

I must have missed that footage...Those were titles to songs he had written? It's not fair that there are all these MJ songs that we don't get to HEAR! Argh! :( Anyways....I had to laugh at the whole "From the bottom of my heart" thing...It's so "Michael". :lol: "I love you FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART"...Remember how he had to kind of "laugh" at it himself during his NRJ speech because he always says that!! :lol: It was so FREAKY because we had just been kind of "imitating" MJ in one thread and were guessing what he'll say and we were like "I know he's gonna be all like 'I love you from the bottom of my heart and see you soon!'"...and then he goes on and says almost exact what we had said he's gonna say!! It was TOO FUNNY!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: We really know MJ!!! :yes: :lol: Actually.....*has a flashback* I just realized something....:bugeyed:scratch::wild: :mello: :ph34r: :no: :lol: :lol: Anyways....:lol:

[Moddie777]

I must have missed that footage...Those were titles to songs he had written? It's not fair that there are all these MJ songs that we don't get to HEAR! Argh! :( Anyways....I had to laugh at the whole "From the bottom of my heart" thing...It's so "Michael". :lol: "I love you FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART"...Remember how he had to kind of "laugh" at it himself during his NRJ speech because he always says that!! :lol: It was so FREAKY because we had just been kind of "imitating" MJ in one thread and were guessing what he'll say and we were like "I know he's gonna be all like 'I love you from the bottom of my heart and see you soon!'"...and then he goes on and says almost exact what we had said he's gonna say!! It was TOO FUNNY!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: We really know MJ!!! :yes: :lol: Actually.....*has a flashback* I just realized something....:bugeyed:scratch::wild: :mello: :ph34r: :no: :lol: :lol: Anyways....:lol:

Yes Summer, "From the botteom of my heart', and "You are so beautiful". are songs Michael had written. According to the news report, he wrote them specifically for the Hurricane Katrina victims. The titles alone are extremely too "personable" and "romantic" for victims of a worldy catasophre such as what happened in New Orleans.

[laurenjayne]

^ you are right there

[TialovesMJ]

LindaC781, you absolutely cracked me up with this!!, LoL.

ok, lemme gather myself.
You guys remember shortly after that terrible "Hurricane Katrina" hit in New Orleans and we recieved official word, Michael had written a song for the survivors? Do you recall how the national media presented it? I remember watching either MSNBC or CNN, a female news correspondant came on with a huge smile reporting the 2 songs for that terrible catasophre.
I noticed, at the bottom of the screen, scrolled the song titles as she spoke. The scrolling was in this ORDER. "From the bottom of my heart", "You are so beautiful". To this day, these songs have yet to be released. Was this part of Michael's plan? In addition to Michael wanting to do something for the people who were suffering, could this have also been a message to her. Look closely at how the titles (words) were scrolling together.

wow..you are very observant!!!:D never noticed that at all lol..That is so sweet of him to do that though :)

[AllForMJ]

hi, you guys are fabulous I'm not good at Interpertation's AllforMJ *smile*...
But the new version of '' The Girl Is Mine '' Is up- beated clearly ,you can feel and lift In michael's voice through out this new version...Have you noticed the difference of this slow song In It's original format ,compared to the new one ? ( Don't know If this makes sense ,my post) To do this song up-tempo ,to me says he was feeling happy ,uplifted more '' Is he speaking to her at the end ? ' Girl you know I care '
or It's simply part of the chorus /Ablibing ?
Yes, you can tell he's in an upbeat mood by listening to the way that he changed "The Girl Is Mine" and also because in this song are the words, "I know the love is really true."

You can also tell he's in a very romantic mood as well by listening to the words he's singing in the first part of "Wanna Be Startin Somethin' 2008." He's echoing Akon in the backround on every line.


I met her on a walkway
MJ: on a walkway
Stared as she walked passed
MJ: as she walked passed
She looked back at me sideways
MJ: at me sideways
And said, I can't help but to ask
MJ: but to ask

Said you wanna be startin' somethin'
MJ: startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'
MJ: startin' somethin'
Said you wanna be startin' somethin'
MJ: startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'
MJ: startin' somethin'

We end up going back to her place
MJ: her place
Wish I could tell you what I saw
MJ: what I saw
Sexiest woman in a negligée
MJ: in a negligée
We hit it off until the morning
MJ: until the morning
And you heard her say
MJ: you heard her say

Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa

Why did I make her say
MJ: make her say

Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa
Ma ma se, ma ma sa, ma ma coo sa

He no longer sounds like he's feeling empty inside the way he sounded during the "Invincible" era. He sounds much, much happier now. His song choices are proving it and the way he's singing the songs is proving it. He sounds like his heart is actually in the recording sessions. He also hasn't been releasing love songs about disappointment, heartbreak and two people splitting up. The love songs that he's been releasing lately have been about two individuals coming to each other, being together and showing love for each other.

In addition to this, he's been putting out songs where he's saying he's met her.

"Fall Again"
I wanna fall with you again
Like we did when we first met

"The Way You Love Me"
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* I thank the heavens above that I met you

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

:)

[Moddie777]

Then as a continuance to "You are so beautiful", we get word that in November 2005 during a phone conversation with MJNI president Gloria Haydock, she writes in her own words: "He made special mention of the fans who had travelled to and supported him in Santa Maria and wanted me to let them know how much he appreciated their support and that he drew strength from it". According to her report of the phone call, she said, MJ said this," You are so beautiful", I can't wait to record it. I wrote it during the trial. You could let them know.
She goes on and on about how repetitive in the proclamation of his love; and how to her according to the words she used; Michael seemed desperate and near frustrated to "show"
his love and appreciation. She went on to say how excited he was to reveal this song title.
According to Gloria, Michael used the words; "undying love" and "support". Sounds familiar?
Sure it does, he's been telling us, for a while now that this woman of whom he is in love with was also there for him during and throughout the trial! Michael not only had his family and us with him but she too was there; somewhere.
When Allformj pointed out more than once the "goodbye" part of what he wrote before he took off for the middle east, I remembered, I had seen very similiar words before.

[TialovesMJ]

wow...you guys have good eyes and ears. :) :D good points!!

[AllForMJ]

Then as a continuance to "You are so beautiful", we get word that in November 2005 during a phone conversation with MJNI president Gloria Haydock, she writes in her own words: "He made special mention of the fans who had travelled to and supported him in Santa Maria and wanted me to let them know how much he appreciated their support and that he drew strength from it". According to her report of the phone call, she said, MJ said this," You are so beautiful", I can't wait to record it. I wrote it during the trial. You could let them know.
She goes on and on about how repetitive in the proclamation of his love; and how to her according to the words she used; Michael seemed desperate and near frustrated to "show"
his love and appreciation. She went on to say how excited he was to reveal this song title.
According to Gloria, Michael used the words; "undying love" and "support". Sounds familiar?
Sure it does, he's been telling us, for a while now that this woman of whom he is in love with was also there for him during and throughout the trial! Michael not only had his family and us with him but she too was there; somewhere.
When Allformj pointed out more than once the "goodbye" part of what he wrote before he took off for the middle east, I remembered, I had seen very similiar words before.
Undying love = Ever-present love = Good love he's receiving
:yes:

[summer]

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
I met her on a walkway

Well, who ever she is...I do hope he didn't met her on the STREET (if ya know what I mean)...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Then again...that would explain the Who Is It video with the prostitute and all that!! :bugeyed :hysterical: :hysterical: (Sorry...I couldn't resist!! :hysterical:) I have such a bad sense of humor...I know. But I can't help it! I just keep cracking myself up! :tease::lmao: :lmao: )


No, but seriously...great post, AllForMJ! :yes:



Then as a continuance to "You are so beautiful", we get word that in November 2005 during a phone conversation with MJNI president Gloria Haydock, she writes in her own words: "He made special mention of the fans who had travelled to and supported him in Santa Maria and wanted me to let them know how much he appreciated their support and that he drew strength from it". According to her report of the phone call, she said, MJ said this," You are so beautiful", I can't wait to record it. I wrote it during the trial. You could let them know.
She goes on and on about how repetitive in the proclamation of his love; and how to her according to the words she used; Michael seemed desperate and near frustrated to "show"
his love and appreciation. She went on to say how excited he was to reveal this song title.
According to Gloria, Michael used the words; "undying love" and "support". Sounds familiar?
Sure it does, he's been telling us, for a while now that this woman of whom he is in love with was also there for him during and throughout the trial! Michael not only had his family and us with him but she too was there; somewhere.
When Allformj pointed out more than once the "goodbye" part of what he wrote before he took off for the middle east, I remembered, I had seen very similiar words before.

Ooooh...I can vaguely remember reading about the phone call, now that you mentioned it. :scratch:And I remember the part about her mentioning that Michael seemed almost "frustrated" to show his love and appreciation. Wow...I usually have a great memory, but you guys beat even my memory! :lol: I totally had forgotten about that phone call! (Maybe because I was and still am pretty much trying to block 2003-2005 out of my memory...not good years for me. Nothing really there that I'd like to remember or think about too much. :no:) And it still kills me inside that I wasn't in Santa Maria during the trial. :boohoo: Anyways, I'm glad there were people there who were physically present and kept supporting MJ in Santa Maria. And if there was someone who was extra special for him, and she was there, then that's even BETTER! :yes: Maybe that was God sending an angel to him? :)

[AllForMJ]

Well, who ever she is...I do hope he didn't met her on the STREET (if ya know what I mean)...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Then again...that would explain the Who Is It video with the prostitute and all that!! :bugeyed :hysterical: :hysterical: (Sorry...I couldn't resist!! :hysterical:) I have such a bad sense of humor...I know. But I can't help it! I just keep cracking myself up! :tease::lmao: :lmao: )


No, but seriously...great post, AllForMJ! :yes:

You are too much!!

:lol: :rofl:

[AllForMJ]

In addition to this, he's been putting out songs where he's saying he's met her.

"Fall Again"
I wanna fall with you again
Like we did when we first met

"The Way You Love Me"
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* I thank the heavens above that I met you

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

:)
Whoa!! I almost left one out!

"The Girl Is Mine 2008"
Every night she walks right in my dreams
Since I met her from the start

[summer]

You are too much!!

:lol: :rofl:



I'm a clown, what can I say. :tease::lol: I can't help it!

"Streetwalking, baby...." Gets a whole new meaning ....:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[Moddie777]

Undying love = Ever-present love = Good love he's receiving
:yes:


Yep! Yep! Yep! You hit it on the head!! Again! as always! And Summer, you did too. When you mentioned maybe she was the angel coming to him, you were correct! As Allformj pointed out, "will you be there" is prophetic. It is all coming to fruitation. When Michael is singing this song on stage, what do we see happening towards the end as he speaks very tearfully of turbelence and sorrow? The one with wings appears from behind. What does she do with her wings? She wrapps them very gently, quietly and lovingly around Michael, with tears still flowing he bows his head and recieves. She then places her head gently on his back. The camera takes us to a quick widen shot. They appear as one, in the end.

[summer]

Yep! Yep! Yep! You hit it on the head!! Again! as always! And Summer, you did too. When you mentioned maybe she was the angel coming to him, you were correct! As Allformj pointed out, "will you be there" is prophetic. It is all coming to fruitation. When Michael is singing this song on stage, what do we see happening towards the end as he speaks very tearfully of turbelence and sorrow? The one with wings appears from behind. What does she do with her wings? She wrapps them very gently, quietly and lovingly around Michael, with tears still flowing he bows his head and recieves. She then places her head gently on his back. The camera takes us to a quick widen shot. They appear as one, in the end.

Aaaawww....that's beautiful. :wub: I love that song and the whole thing with the angel by the way. Absolutely beautiful! :wub:

[summer]

I found the "phone call thread".


http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20930

TEXT FROM MJNI HOTSHOT

The below text has been approved for publication today, 11th November, 2005.
As MJ News International announced on Tuesday, 8th November, 2005 - I received a phonecall that day, seemingly out of the blue, from Michael. This telecon will certainly go down in MY MJ calendar as a milestone and is definitely up there with MJNI’s Killer Thriller party in 2002 (where i'm pictured left with Michael and my granddaughter Jade), our 40th Birthday Tribute published in Billboard magazine in 1998 and my personal encounters with Michael since 1993.

From a selection of messages I’ve seen on the MJNI.COM Messageboard, some fans don’t understand why Michael would ring me. Because of this, I would first like to take a moment to explain the background to the phonecall.

As the trial approached we wanted to launch a campaign that would enable fans from around the world to show their support for Michael. So, on 13th November 2004, the MJNI team launched the MJNI.COM Support Michael pages.

These pages included - amongst other things - an ambitious new petition. We invited fans and website visitors from around the world to add their names to our Pledges of Support.

The idea was simple; anyone who wanted to show the world that they believed in Michael and wanted to show their loyalty and love for him could do so in the simplest manner possible - by just adding their name to the Pledges at http://www.mjni.com/support/pledge.aspx (http://www.mjni.com/support/pledge.aspx). This was especially important to the vast majority of fans who simply couldn't afford to travel to America to show their support in person.

It was an ambitious project because our goal was to achieve at least 10,000 pledges by the end of the trial, a target which - together with the support of dozens of fan clubs from many countries around the globe - we easily achieved.

The Pledges were just one of many features in the Support Michael pages of MJNI.COM. As well as articles, commentary and news bulletin round-ups, we also created a living Timeline of events that began in November 2003 and ended with Michael's vindication in June 2005. By the end of the trial, the Timeline had been updated more than four hundred times and viewed by many hundreds of thousands of visitors to the website.

In addition, we researched and published over 75 profiles on each of the main players in the case - something no other website had tried to do, but which was essential in bringing some clarity to the constant flood of news reports we were processing every day. Our specially-dedicated ‘Support Michael’ mailing list delivered daily news bulletins and updates to the tens of thousands of fans from around the world who were desperate to get unbiased, fair and sensitive coverage of the trial.

Although this is the immediate background to the recent conversation with Michael, it is not the first time he has acknowledged the work of MJNI. Back in 2002, when Michael needed a platform to speak to the fans, he accepted our invitation to visit the UK and we organised our Killer Thriller party and a March through London, resulting in a 2,000-strong show of fan support! Who can forget Michael’s fifteen minute speech at Killer Thriller? It was monumental!

MJNI has been running campaigns for many, many years, and Michael has been very generous in his gratitude for our work on behalf of his fans.

During his recent visit to London, Michael received a letter from me explaining our campaign during the trial, and it was on reading this that he called to express his thanks and gratitude to us, the fans, in his words, for our “support, love and loyalty.”

With Michael’s visit to London fast becoming a recent memory, I had almost forgotten about the package and didn’t expect to hear anything about it without doing some further work! But then the phone rang...

“Hold on for Mr. Jackson...” the voice on the telephone announced. Before I could collect my thoughts, there was a male voice on the line, and I heard myself saying, “Michael?”

“Nice to hear from you...” Michael replied in a warm and friendly manner which immediately made me feel comfortable and relaxed.

Michael was very gracious and complimentary about my letter and began expressing his appreciation and gratitude for the endeavours of all his supporters. He emphasised the point by saying to me, “Please understand my appreciation for everybody’s love and all the loving support... because I really appreciate it... appreciate everything... really I do.”

As Michael was speaking, I was immediately struck by his heartfelt sincerity. I remember how often in the past my friends and I had joked about what we would say to Michael if we ever had the chance. Friends of Michael often said to me things like, “Next time I’m with Michael, I’ll call you and put him on the phone...” I used to wonder what would I say, if that ever happened! I mean, what do you talk about when the King of Pop calls you... As it happens, the call came so unexpectedly that I had no time to stress about the details, because he was already on the line...

Fortunately, Michael was very fluent and did all the initial talking, which made it easy for me to join the conversation. My first response was to thank Michael sincerely for his call and express how honoured I was that he would take the time to acknowledge our work, especially as I was aware of the great demands on his time. Michael was very kind and reciprocated my sentiment.

Throughout the telephone call, Michael was extremely repetitive in the proclamation of his love and appreciation to his fans for everything that they have done for him over the years; their undying love and support. I suddenly realised just how important it is to Michael that we know that he cares about us. He seemed to want to make it very clear that he is aware of our efforts on his behalf. He wanted the message to go out to all of the fans and emphasised that I should let everyone know how he felt.

Later in the conversation, Michael wanted me specifically to thank the fans who came to see him recently in London. He explained how he had wanted to greet the fans personally but that the restrictions imposed on him by the police made it difficult for him to do so. He also made special mention of the fans who had travelled to and supported him in Santa Maria, and wanted me to let them know how much he appreciated their support and that he drew strength from it.

Throughout our conversation, Michael continually made reference to one main subject, which is something I have been aware of both as a fan and a Fan Club President for almost 20 years: he recognises the support and contribution from ALL his fans, be that the fan who has little opportunity to travel to the city when Michael is in town – or perhaps can’t afford concert tickets and travel when Michael is touring the world – or maybe doesn’t even have internet connection to enable messageboard discussions. But they support Michael in their hearts, follow the documentaries on television, join the fan clubs and buy his records and merchandise when it is available. Michael was saying thank you to these fans, just as much as he was reaching out to those who at great personal and financial sacrifice, travelled halfway across the world to camp out in Santa Maria during the trial, so that Michael would know that he was not alone.

Michael then became very excited as he told me about a new song which he had written and which he wanted the fans to know about, saying, “I can’t wait to record it. I wrote it during the trial. You could let them know...” The song Michael was inspired to write for the fans during the trial is titled ‘You Are So Beautiful.’ I asked him to clarify for me - would this song be on the next album? And, this is a different song to the as-yet unnamed charity single? He confirmed "yes" to both questions.

Then, suddenly, Michael became very playful as he excitedly spoke about MJNI’s KING! magazine. He told me how much he loved KING! and mentioned a couple of his favourite articles (in particular, one about Neverland.)

I was very touched that Michael mentioned the magazine, because we are all very proud of it. I explained that we are looking forward to publishing again and I was pleased for the opportunity at this point to talk about some of the other projects we are ready to start as soon as he is.

Having already mentioned the new music, I asked Michael if he knew when the album would be released, but he wasn’t sure. He said, “I am writing constantly...” He said that it wouldn’t be too much longer and that he was in the studio.

I then asked Michael if he would be performing in concert, and that we would love to hear him sing live. Again, he answered that he wasn’t sure about that, and that he would probably be doing film. I told Michael that one of the reasons he had so many loyal fans was because of his amazing talent and that it would be wonderful to hear him singing live again. Recalling the time I became a fan myself during the Bad tour and the sheer enjoyment of hearing Michael perform live, and pushing the point – maybe too far – I suggested that a handful of concerts in small venues would be fantastic and that it didn’t necessarily have to be a grand world tour.

Michael accepted my comments with grace and humility – an attribute which, when describing Michael, can’t be emphasised strongly enough - but I’m not sure that he appreciates just HOW hungry we all are to have him back on stage. I could fantasise all day about Michael singing ‘Speechless’ to a ‘by special invitation only’ event for us - his loyal fans... but, back to reality!

Michael once again brought the conversation around to talking about his love for his fans, saying: “I love them and everything they do... everything. I see everything they do, I don’t miss anything. I notice and feel everything, from their letters and posters and signs and gifts...”

There was a sense of urgency in Michael’s voice and by this time, I was really beginning to become aware of a feeling of frustration in Michael at his inability to convey to his tens of thousands of fans across the globe, just how much he cares for them – that he would love to be able to show to them more, his gratitude and appreciation for their years of loyal support.

...And with that, the conversation was at its end. With sincerity in his voice, Michael bid farewell by saying “God Bless You” several times, and then excused himself. The conversation that will last for eternity in my memory was over.

As I mentioned at the opening of this report, this experience will stay with me as one of the highlights of my career as a Fan Club leader. It was quite a surreal experience, probably because it was so unexpected, but at the same time, quite natural, for the same reason. Since the call, and having spoken to my closest friends about it (some of whom are friends of Michael’s), I’m beginning to realise just how special this call was. Special, in particular, because it is very unusual for Michael to do this, so I am told. And, for that reason, it will be all the more cherished as I look forward to the next opportunity where MJ News International can do something extraordinarily special for Michael on behalf of his loyal fans...

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[Moddie777]

Thanks summer for finding that!! Did you pick up on the part almost near the end, I believe in the 3rd paragraph towards the end when Gloria says, there was a sense of "Urgency" in his voice, when he was trying to convy his love. Well suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure there was!, lol.

[summer]

Thanks summer for finding that!! Did you pick up on the part almost near the end, I believe in the 3rd paragraph towards the end when Gloria says, there was a sense of "Urgency" in his voice, when he was trying to convy his love. Well suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure there was!, lol.

:lol:


Michael once again brought the conversation around to talking about his love for his fans, saying: “I love them and everything they do... everything. I see everything they do, I don’t miss anything. I notice and feel everything, from their letters and posters and signs and gifts...”


Yeah...and now there isn't even an address where we could send him letters, posters, signs or gifts...so he is missing EVERYTHING! *pouts* :( :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

:lol:



Yeah...and now there isn't even an address where we could send him letters, posters, signs or gifts...so he is missing EVERYTHING! *pouts* :( :lol:



I know :(.......

[AllForMJ]

Yep! Yep! Yep! You hit it on the head!! Again! as always! And Summer, you did too. When you mentioned maybe she was the angel coming to him, you were correct! As Allformj pointed out, "will you be there" is prophetic. It is all coming to fruitation. When Michael is singing this song on stage, what do we see happening towards the end as he speaks very tearfully of turbelence and sorrow? The one with wings appears from behind. What does she do with her wings? She wrapps them very gently, quietly and lovingly around Michael, with tears still flowing he bows his head and recieves. She then places her head gently on his back. The camera takes us to a quick widen shot. They appear as one, in the end.
Yes. :yes:

And notice that he didn't have his stage performance of "Will You Be There" end with several angels coming to him or with a combination of male and female angels. He had it end with just one female angel only.

What did it take for him to fall in love before the trial? It took one woman sent to him by God. If he didn't feel that God sent her, he would not have thanked the Heavens above in "The Way You Love Me."

Michael is so romantic. :wub:


Michael then became very excited as he told me about a new song which he had written and which he wanted the fans to know about, saying, “I can’t wait to record it. I wrote it during the trial. You could let them know...” The song Michael was inspired to write for the fans during the trial is titled ‘You Are So Beautiful.’ I asked him to clarify for me - would this song be on the next album? And, this is a different song to the as-yet unnamed charity single? He confirmed "yes" to both questions.
I would really like to hear this song. I hope he's still planning to record it, or has already recorded it.

[SoS]

Its interesting to me that he's been singing about being fascinated by some girl walking down the street since the old days, Lovely One "the first that I saw you walking down the street so pretty", Shake Your Body Down "you walk around the town with your head all up in the sky", TWYMMF, Streewalker (no I feel quite sure it is not about prostitutes and btw fans wrote the Who Is It short film, it was just someone's concept but nothing in the song says she was anything other than someone who's action/s he couldn't figure out...eg., is it this is it that is it my this is it my that etc.) but yeh :scratch: can't help but notice that :yes:

[AllForMJ]

I wonder if he mentions girls walking down the street because he's often checking them out while riding in his chauffeured limo or SUV and looking out the window? Or, when he's out driving one of his cars himself? That's about the only time that he'll really be able to girl watch without being mobbed.

[SoS]

^ ah interesting
and could explain how he would have come to notice some certain 'someone' :scratch: makes sense :yes:

also noticed that he had Streetwalker placed on the SE of Bad just like he had Carousel placed on the SE of Thriller - gives me the picture of a girl he 'met' for an "instant" as the song says, and who dissappeared into the crowd, as the song says, then whom he later "watched" on the street, as many songs seem to indicate

I find it interesting that in both songs he brings up things he is presuming about the person's personality

in carousel he says,

"she's from a world of popcorn and candy, pony rides for a dime, little children laughing" and in Streetwalker he says, "you see, I never met a girl, just like you, come so easy don't you break my heart 'cause I love you"

btw (in light of a lot of fans from board to board talking about a prostitute in connection with that song) those words in Streetwalker are not the kind of thing you'd say to a prostitute who's "job" it is to "come so easy" anyway :ermm: (oh goodness no pun intended LOL gee wizz its late >> to self lol :smack: LOL) YALL KNOW WHAT I MEANT :angry: :lol:

so it seems he thought of Streetwalker as a "goody goody girl" (like in Mama's Pearl? lol) and someone he doesn't seem to feel so sure would be interested in him because in Carousel he talks about his life, "I'm from a world, of dissappointments and confusions" and in Streetwalker, he says, "Won't ya - give me some time, and repeats over and over again, "don'tcha, don'tcha, don't cha break my heart 'cause I love you" and the way he keeps repeating, "datgummit baby" makes it seem as though he's not sure he has a chance.

Now, that line in WBSS about the negligee :unsure: hmmmm sounds like he's fantasizing what would happen if she hadn't "walked away and pass him by"

just like he imagines peeling off her jeans like a tangerine in PYT 2008 and again, in the original PYT demo, he refers to her as a "prima donna"

[AllForMJ]

SOS, hahahahahahaha! You are SO bad!!
:lol:

But I fully get your point though! And you're just going by the things he is putting into these songs. That's him. Mike is just being a man. He loves women.

And right now, his mind is on love and romance. Yep!

Go listen to "Got The Hots" that he put on the Japan version of "Thriller 25." That's telling it ALL. What he said near the end of "For All Times" is telling it too. Until someone posted the lyrics from the Japan T25 booklet, I didn't know that at the end of "For All Time" he said, "We can make lovin'."

Mike ain't playin'! He is serious. Ms. lady better take her vitamins. High potency vitamins, ginseng and grab the strawberries.
:yes:

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys,

I was over at the Jackson Family forum and ran across this. Looks MJ and Janet collaborated on Janet's song "Can't B Good." It was posted by blueocean on 7/14/08.

Warning: MJ sounds gooooood. Really good. Delicious. He's opening the song the same way he did "Someone Put Your Hand Out." :wub: Then, he and Janet are trading off throughout the song. I have Janet's CD. I can tell this is a new version because the adlibs are different He's added his own.

Between 1:38 and 1:44 he says, "What's goin' on? What's happening to me?" Then Janet says "Promised myself I would never let this be." Around 2:52 they both say "Oooo, I think I'm falling in love again." Then, around 3:01 he says, "I tell myself I never would."

He sounds oh so sweet. This is one of those songs where you sit down, dim the lights and just listen. Nothing sounds more beautiful than Michael Jackson in love.

Enjoy.

:flowers:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV4LgB0ZsoA&feature=email

[DMGJACKSON]

Yes, you can tell he's in an upbeat mood by listening to the way that he changed "The Girl Is Mine" and also because in this song are the words, "I know the love is really true."

You can also tell he's in a very romantic mood as well by listening to the words he's singing in the first part of "Wanna Be Startin Somethin' 2008." He's echoing Akon in the backround on every line.



He no longer sounds like he's feeling empty inside the way he sounded during the "Invincible" era. He sounds much, much happier now. His song choices are proving it and the way he's singing the songs is proving it. He sounds like his heart is actually in the recording sessions. He also hasn't been releasing love songs about disappointment, heartbreak and two people splitting up. The love songs that he's been releasing lately have been about two individuals coming to each other, being together and showing love for each other.

In addition to this, he's been putting out songs where he's saying he's met her.

"Fall Again"
I wanna fall with you again
Like we did when we first met

"The Way You Love Me"
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* I thank the heavens above that I met you

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

:)

AllforMJ Thank you ,what you say here Is so overwhelming
and does things to my heart ...I am sure this lady feels very Blessed both
She and Michael both do ... I feel no light emotion between them , only deepness ,Intense energy ...
Imagine what their physical connection will/must be ...
Plus In all honesty he may have come Into her life at her most darkest time (as she has for him) saving her from empty loneliness and pain ...
It's another layer to the love unfolding before our eye's *smiling*...
Maybe I'm too romantic,thinking on thing to much haha...
well*blushing*nice talking to you ,keep up the good work !

[DMGJACKSON]

Whoa!! I almost left one out!

"The Girl Is Mine 2008"
Every night she walks right in my dreams
Since I met her from the start

Oh oh noooo!!!!!!
:bugeyed :swoon: naahh :rofl: ,Just kidding *lightly * laughing...

[summer]

I wonder if he mentions girls walking down the street because he's often checking them out while riding in his chauffeured limo or SUV and looking out the window? Or, when he's out driving one of his cars himself? That's about the only time that he'll really be able to girl watch without being mobbed.

Well, techically....I guess the fans standing in front of his hotel, waiting to see a glimpse of him, are standing out "on the street" too. :scratch:And he does seem to check fans out! :lol: Munich 1999 footage anyone? :lmao: When you look at the footage it seems like there was something/someone he liked to look at because he keeps looking and pointing to that direction and then every single person who comes to the window keeps looking and pointing to that direction. :lol: And then at one point Mj throws down a paper airplane...but it looks more like his way of being able to check someone out than "Oh just wanted to watch a paper airplane fly outside". :lol: Because as soon as he throws the airplane, his eyes "wander" to the same direction he kept looking at all night and he's pretending he's watching the paper airplane, but you can see he isn't. Basically because the airplane flies down...and his eyes are looking to the side. :lol: And there are other parts too where he keeps "checking" someone out. Or at least that's what it looks like. One time he comes to the window and right away points straight ahead with his finger but he's again watching to the side and talks to the two kids that were with him and then QUICKLY points to the direction he is really looking at. And then he starts blowing kisses to that direction. Michael, Michael, Michael!! ;D :lol: :lol:


^ ah interesting
and could explain how he would have come to notice some certain 'someone' :scratch: makes sense :yes:

also noticed that he had Streetwalker placed on the SE of Bad just like he had Carousel placed on the SE of Thriller - gives me the picture of a girl he 'met' for an "instant" as the song says, and who dissappeared into the crowd, as the song says, then whom he later "watched" on the street, as many songs seem to indicate

I find it interesting that in both songs he brings up things he is presuming about the person's personality

in carousel he says,

"she's from a world of popcorn and candy, pony rides for a dime, little children laughing" and in Streetwalker he says, "you see, I never met a girl, just like you, come so easy don't you break my heart 'cause I love you"

btw (in light of a lot of fans from board to board talking about a prostitute in connection with that song) those words in Streetwalker are not the kind of thing you'd say to a prostitute who's "job" it is to "come so easy" anyway :ermm: (oh goodness no pun intended LOL gee wizz its late >> to self lol :smack: LOL) YALL KNOW WHAT I MEANT :angry: :lol:

so it seems he thought of Streetwalker as a "goody goody girl" (like in Mama's Pearl? lol) and someone he doesn't seem to feel so sure would be interested in him because in Carousel he talks about his life, "I'm from a world, of dissappointments and confusions" and in Streetwalker, he says, "Won't ya - give me some time, and repeats over and over again, "don'tcha, don'tcha, don't cha break my heart 'cause I love you" and the way he keeps repeating, "datgummit baby" makes it seem as though he's not sure he has a chance.

Now, that line in WBSS about the negligee :unsure: hmmmm sounds like he's fantasizing what would happen if she hadn't "walked away and pass him by"

just like he imagines peeling off her jeans like a tangerine in PYT 2008 and again, in the original PYT demo, he refers to her as a "prima donna"

OMG, StateOfShock!!! :hysterical: :hysterical: I totally got what you meant (and totally got the "second meanings" too...:lmao: :lmao: I know...shame on you, "sweet, innocent summer!!"! :bugeyed :lmao: :lmao:). And OMG yeah, the WBSS lyrics!!! :bugeyed "Wish I could tell you what I saw...." :lmao: :lmao: But there is s a part in that song that I totally love because it's really sweet: "But I love you...always comforted when thinking about you....I wanna bring back the night we shared and the look on your face....when you saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid....mama se mama sa ma macusa...." :lol: (Wonder which "look" on her face he meant though...Hmmm...:lmao: :lmao: )




Mike ain't playin'! He is serious. Ms. lady better take her vitamins. High potency vitamins, ginseng and grab the strawberries.
:yes:

And oysters and chocolate and all...:lol:


Hi you guys,

I was just over at the Jackson Family forum and ran across this. Looks MJ and Janet collaborated on Janet's song "Can't B Good." It was posted by blueocean on 7/14/08.

Warning: MJ sounds gooooood. Really good. Delicious. He's opening the song the same way he did "Someone Put Your Hand Out." :wub: Then, he and Janet are trading off throughout the song. I have Janet's CD. I can tell this is a new version because the adlibs are different He's added his own.

Between 1:38 and 1:44 he says, "What's goin' on? What's happening to me?" Then Janet says "Promised myself I would never let this be." Around 2:52 they both say "Oooo, I think I'm falling in love again." Then, around 3:01 he says, "I tell myself I never would."

He sounds oh so sweet. This is one of those songs where you sit down, dim the lights and just listen.
:yes:

Nothing sounds more beautiful than Michael Jackson in love. Enjoy.

:flowers:

Thanks a lot. That song always reminds me of someone I'd rather like to forget and now I'm just reminded of him again. :(Thaaaank you. :( :lol: I have Janet's album too and that song is nice because it's very "mellow". But actually....I don't think that is Michael singing...:scratch:The voice doesn't really sound like him...more like Janet's voice being altered in some way...:scratch:

[mjtributepage]

why worrie who ever this is in the picture it looks like he has a good time being mj or simply a fake fooling his fans????????
and as for mj i ve always known he has his girlfriends kept in the dark somewhere lol

[summer]

Sorry....what picture are you talking about? :scratch: :lol: *confused* :lol:

[DMGJACKSON]

ooh my his voice In the Intro (Excited!!!) so Beautiful !
What a lovely song ,Thanks AllforMJ what a great find this Is...
you made my morning...

[SoS]

SOS, hahahahahahaha! You are SO bad!!
:lol:




OMG, StateOfShock!!! :hysterical: :hysterical: I totally got what you meant (and totally got the "second meanings" too...:lmao: :lmao: I know...shame on you, "sweet, innocent summer!!"! :bugeyed :lmao: :lmao:).


:o no no ok see

"come" OVER (like to the car, ya knowww or the place the prospect is at) this is what they are "paid" to do, their "job")

THAT'S what i meant

their "job" is to bring themselves to the "client" on the street (at least i think it is :lol: )

so that being the case, he would not be questioning whether she would or not

:doh: :lol:


ok leaving well enough alone now :lol: