Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Ape, congratulations on the noble work you're involved in! Michael would be so proud of you ... and so am I!:clapping:

That screenwriter is really involved in some work that I think Michael would really be proud of as well. He sounds like such a noble man and I'm glad you were blessed with the opportunity to work with such a person. You two would make a really great team!

I also wanted to tell you that I did see your other posts on this topic, but the thing is, I really have a problem viewing YouTube 'cause of my weird computer and internet connection. I have no problem posting videos here for you all to enjoy, but the ironic thing is, I can't always view them myself!

Anyway, I hope you continue to be blessed and have loads of fun! BTW, I meant to tell you: Gimme that little kitty you showed us all earlier!!!:mello: lol!

Also ...

Sdeidjs and Shabuya, I meant to thank you earlier for all of the inspirational post you have been sharing with us lately. You rock! :punk:

[Lainy]

:doh:
MP sorry, I forgot this little detail, you can not watch videos on youtube...
the video description that I posted is: The girl asking Michael Jackson if he would marry her and giving him a ring. MJ tells her he'll see her at the wedding

he was so cute... :wub:

As to the other videos, it's a pity you can't see... :( are very nice! :yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:doh:
MP sorry, I forgot this little detail, you can not watch videos on youtube...
the video description that I posted is: The girl asking Michael Jackson if he would marry her and giving him a ring. MJ tells her he'll see her at the wedding

he was so cute... :wub:


:tickingtimebomb:mello::lol:

[tha]

Hello People!

Sdeidjs and Shabuya, I loved all your posts! Is very interesting to read! Thanks for always sharing with us! ;)

Lully, I love this video! I love this day!!! I felt a little sorry for the girl... :( The security man didn't leave her to see that Michael has put the ring on his finger!
Michael is so adorable! Is impossible not to falling love for him! :wub: As I said once:

"God made Michael and He lost revenue" :D

Now, I'll let the video and lyrics for a song that I love very much and that has much to do with this thread:


NOT ENOUGH - VAN HALEN

To love somebody naturally
To love somebody faithfully
To love somebody equally
Is not enough
Is not enough
It´s not enough

To love somebody secretly, and never touch
To love somebody honestly, and allways trust
To love somebody tenderly, the tender touch
It´s not enough
It´s not enough

Love hurts you sometimes
It´s not so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
You turn and swear
It´s always been there

To love somebody foolishly, can happen once
To love somebody hopelessly, it hurts so much
To love somebody equally
Is not enough
Is not enough
It´s not enough

Love takes a little time
It´s no so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
You turn and swear
She´s always been there
Standin´ there...oh

And if it don´t come easily
One thing you must believe
You can always have trust in me
Because my heart will allways be, yours honestly

Yeah, love hurts you sometimes
Not so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
Then turn and swear
It´s always been there
Standing there

Love hurts you sometimes
Not yours, it´s not mine, no
Love´s only to share
Turn and swear
It´s everywhere
Standing there
´Cause it´s always been there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56eocrE6GLc

Hope you enjoy it! ;)

[Autumn II]

This may sound like a total non sequitur, LOL, but. . . for those in this thread who've tried to "friend" me on Facebook? I don't DO facebook, ok? I was required to have an FB page as part of my work, but I haven't used it for TWO years, do not remember my password, and choose not to be that public, anyway. God only knows what's written on my "wall." I haven't seen it.

Same is kinda true of my "page" on MJJC? I just don't have time to do the "message/friend thing?" You know, the public stuff? Sorry! It's nothing personal. . .

So, I'm not being unfriendly? I'm just not THERE and I choose not to be. LOL Sorry for digression, and carry on.

Vic

[Lainy]

:tickingtimebomb:mello::lol:

:girl_whistle::girl_in_love::girl_haha:

ok Vic! Thanks! :)

Tha, I agree!! lol :lol: and this is song so beautiful!! :girl_in_love: Thanks for sharing!

:idea:
It reminded me a beautiful song by Djavan, a wonderful singer and one of the great names of Brazilian Popular Music...

MP the lyric's especially for you, don't want you all about it! :kiss_hand:

Dedicated to Michael :wub:

A Pure Love - Djavan

What's inside my heart
That I have kept to give you
And all the hours that the time
Has for conceive me
Are yours until I die

And your story, I do not know
But tell me only what is good
A love so pure that not even know
The force that has
is yours and nobody else

I love you in everything, everything, everything
I want more than anything, everything, everything
Love you without limits
Living a great story
(2x)

Here or elsewhere
What can be ugly or beautiful
if we're together
There will be a blue sky

A pure love
Do not know the strength that has
My love I swear be yours and nobody else
A pure love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbPRn8dxy-w

PS: This is one of my favorite songs!:wub: I love Djavan! :girl_in_love:

[tha]

Vic, thanks! ;)

Lully, I love Djavan and this song is gorgeous! Nice choice! :yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Thanks so much, Lully! Those lyrics are soooo romantic!
I hope you all are watching "Dancing With the Stars" (those of you who get it). They are having a tribute to MJ.:hi:

[8701girl]

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/09102013292a7811bea4f2af7b.jpg

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/0910201329f55e26376265cbfc.jpg

What a hot pic of mj! :wild:

[tha]

I hope you all are watching "Dancing With the Stars" (those of you who get it). They are having a tribute to MJ.:hi:

I would like to see it! :worried:

[Lainy]

I would like to see it! :worried:

Me too!! :(

[Asedora]

Just wanted to put my 5 cents here about MJ lyrics again and “her” image in his new song. I got rabbi Shmuley’s book recently and as more as I read it as more confident I get that Michael never met this women. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t exist though. Probably, many women in the world think that this song has been written for them.:)
The book itself is waste of time and money because there are a lot of conversations about Judaism which I am not interested in. And I tried to avoid reading weird rabbi’s comments about Michael. However , some dialogues are pretty interesting and informative. Michael was such a huge perfectionist in many ways which makes me think even more that he never met this woman in his life time. He was a perfectionist regrinding his own physical appearance and maybe he was looking for kind of the same? He told Janet, his sister to lose weight because at his point of view she looked “huge like a caw”, he said. It tells me that Michael used to like slim women. I always feel very sorry for women with weight problems. Sometimes it is something ppl cannot control. Anyways it is nothing unusual about him as a man. All men love beautiful women.
On another hand, in this dialogue he says about beauty of soul which is very true and which I agree with. At the same time he didn’t like when women approached him, and it is very understandable too. His situation as a super mega star was so different., so he had tons of women around him who wanted just to talk to him for 1 second. Could it be possible that somebody real denied him “hanging around”? It is possible , if she was another Hollywood star. But we know there were none he really liked except Brook Shield. But I am not sure that this song is about her. Does she match the lyrics 100%? I do not think so. He heard about her many times LOL I know he loved her and they had very platonic relationships.
So, in the end this woman has to be beautiful from inside and outside at his point of view and she has to match 100% with “her” qualities from his song at least. All of it makes me think that he had never met her. It was mostly his imagination and maybe sort of mysterious contact, and just God knows what it really was imo. Thank you for reading. It was too long this time.

[Lily]

Thanks for posting your thoughts Asedora.:) I agree beauty has to come from the inside out. MJ has seen all kinds of women and I'm sure the true love that captures his hearts would have to have something very special about her, an inward glow, substance, and character. Something beyond just superficial beauty. :)

~~~~~

Do you ladies ever wonder why "Human Nature" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" were the 2 songs chosen out of all of the songs as the extended clips? I'm kinda curious because out of the supposed set-list for the shows they seem to be more subdued performances, unless that was the whole advertising purpose, to get people to go see it in the theatre for the dance routine performances. Oh well, I'm not complaining because "Human Nature" is my all time favorite MJ song :wub: so I'm happy to see it since I won't be going to the theatre.


Also, I was just listening to "Hold My Hand" again and then I listened to "This Is It" and when listening to the 2 songs not only do I hear a more intense happy voice I get this feeling like MJ was ready and moving forward with love if that makes any sense? And those 2 songs being the most recent ones released maybe he had something happen that changed his life. Like falling in love.....

Oh well, just a random thought I guess.

[No-Body]

Thanks for posting your thoughts Asedora.:) I agree beauty has to come from the inside out. MJ has seen all kinds of women and I'm sure the true love that captures his hearts would have to have something very special about her, an inward glow, substance, and character. Something beyond just superficial beauty. :)

~~~~~

Do you ladies ever wonder why "Human Nature" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" were the 2 songs chosen out of all of the songs as the extended clips? I'm kinda curious because out of the supposed set-list for the shows they seem to be more subdued performances, unless that was the whole advertising purpose, to get people to go see it in the theatre for the dance routine performances. Oh well, I'm not complaining because "Human Nature" is my all time favorite MJ song :wub: so I'm happy to see it since I won't be going to the theatre.


Also, I was just listening to "Hold My Hand" again and then I listened to "This Is It" and when listening to the 2 songs not only do I hear a more intense happy voice I get this feeling like MJ was ready and moving forward with love if that makes any sense? Oh well, just a random thought I guess.

Funny you should say that Lily, I got the songs exactly in that order playin' almost all the time on my player when goin' to and from work. They really are lovely, aren't they? As for the questions, I wouldn't know, but I guess it's part of the mystery, and as always, mystery is nice.

Thank you all for the nice comments, it's nothing really. :flowers:

About the beauty part - I don't know about y'all, but I know for sure beauty has got to be complete in the man I choose. Whoever says that inner beauty alone is what they seek, is fooling themselves and the world. I can be quite the hypocrite at times, but this is one issue where it doesn't apply.

I'm sorry, but he can be a scientist finding the cure to cancer or making discoveries about DNA, or a doctor without borders doing his missionary work around the world, but without the touch and the look, it wouldn't be enough. That don't impress me much, as Shania whould say would be too harsh though.

Having said that, inner beauty is awesomely important. I'll just say this - I know all about the nice covers with the rotten interiors; you'd be surprised what some men are willing to do for just a little bit of material comfort. And that is all I'm about to say, before I get too deep into my own.

So, in the end, it's always about the whole package - inner AND outter beauty, a bit of intelligence as well wouldn't hurt either. Michael had every right to demand the best cause he offered it. I, on the other hand cannot say the same since most days I don't feel particularly beautiful either on the inside or the outside, but you do what you can and move on I guess, trying to make up for mistakes and doing better next time.

I remember a beautiful thing a preacher once said - if you don't have a virtue, act as though you did and, with time, you will have it. I can testify to the truth of that - by nature, I am quite an impatient soul, but life, in my short, but plentiful experience has taught me that the really good things only come with sacrifice, struggle and a lot of time and dedication. Plus, God's timing is always right, not one minute too late, not one minute too early, so all we can really do is wait on the Lord, as He asked in the good book.


Have a great day people.

http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/this_is_it/michael_jackson%20%288%29.jpg

[SoS]

Just wanted to put my 5 cents here about MJ lyrics again and “her” image in his new song. I got rabbi Shmuley’s book recently and as more as I read it as more confident I get that Michael never met this women. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t exist though. Probably, many women in the world think that this song has been written for them.:)
The book itself is waste of time and money because there are a lot of conversations about Judaism which I am not interested in. And I tried to avoid reading weird rabbi’s comments about Michael. However , some dialogues are pretty interesting and informative. Michael was such a huge perfectionist in many ways which makes me think even more that he never met this woman in his life time. He was a perfectionist regrinding his own physical appearance and maybe he was looking for kind of the same? He told Janet, his sister to lose weight because at his point of view she looked “huge like a caw”, he said. It tells me that Michael used to like slim women. I always feel very sorry for women with weight problems. Sometimes it is something ppl cannot control. Anyways it is nothing unusual about him as a man. All men love beautiful women.
On another hand, in this dialogue he says about beauty of soul which is very true and which I agree with. At the same time he didn’t like when women approached him, and it is very understandable too. His situation as a super mega star was so different., so he had tons of women around him who wanted just to talk to him for 1 second. Could it be possible that somebody real denied him “hanging around”? It is possible , if she was another Hollywood star. But we know there were none he really liked except Brook Shield. But I am not sure that this song is about her. Does she match the lyrics 100%? I do not think so. He heard about her many times LOL I know he loved her and they had very platonic relationships.
So, in the end this woman has to be beautiful from inside and outside at his point of view and she has to match 100% with “her” qualities from his song at least. All of it makes me think that he had never met her. It was mostly his imagination and maybe sort of mysterious contact, and just God knows what it really was imo. Thank you for reading. It was too long this time.Woah, you have the book, interesting. What part of the book told you that or made u come to that conclusion? (bolded above)... surmise if u could share a bit?

Another question, what qualities do u hear in the song that you are referring to? I do understand what you mean about perfectionism and I don't know if you meant it this way I'm also thinking but one thing is, if he was expecting "perfection" maybe she felt that she couldn't live up to that ideal, maybe she had the 'ideal' for him herself, wanting the best for him too, maybe he was looking for perfection from HIMSELF only, and the guy has always been the dictionary definition of beautiful since childhood, and that never changed, no matter what else may have, so yeh, its an interesting thought.

question/s: what dialogue are u referring to, did I miss something? "Dialogue of the Soul" - sounds like a book title lol - just wanted to ask what are u referring to ~ I always enjoy reading your posts btw ~ always a pleasant read. I know mine are too long, sorry...really.


Thanks for posting your thoughts Asedora.:) I agree beauty has to come from the inside out. MJ has seen all kinds of women and I'm sure the true love that captures his hearts would have to have something very special about her, an inward glow, substance, and character. Something beyond just superficial beauty. :)

~~~~~

Do you ladies ever wonder why "Human Nature" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" were the 2 songs chosen out of all of the songs as the extended clips? I'm kinda curious because out of the supposed set-list for the shows they seem to be more subdued performances, unless that was the whole advertising purpose, to get people to go see it in the theatre for the dance routine performances. Oh well, I'm not complaining because "Human Nature" is my all time favorite MJ song :wub: so I'm happy to see it since I won't be going to the theatre.


Also, I was just listening to "Hold My Hand" again and then I listened to "This Is It" and when listening to the 2 songs not only do I hear a more intense happy voice I get this feeling like MJ was ready and moving forward with love if that makes any sense? And those 2 songs being the most recent ones released maybe he had something happen that changed his life. Like falling in love.....

Oh well, just a random thought I guess.hm, had never, probably would never have thought of it and now I am, and I'm intrigued. You are quite observant. Not sure I get what you're seeing in the/a correlation in the two though, feel free to expound, you'd have 'an ear' here. *smile* Interesting points you're making about *the falling in love*.

Maybe he didn't expect it could happen for him with whomever until a certain point he maybe realized something (may be where its undectable in the song and I've seen some interesting ' song transcript' choices that I don't hear, sorry I digress), nonetheless - I have my notions, as some know if you've paid attention, of "story lines" etc., and feel that whatever the mystery is, if it is indeed what it seems to those of us who make these 'musical observations', I feel we still never really know, even if we figure it out, unless and until during and/or after the fact (if there is a "fact") so at some point we're always creating our own stories to give it all "meaning" and/or "closure" and/or "context" for ourselves,

or why be here? We love a good story, especially regarding MJ and we all have just want/ed the best for him at the end of the day - its the one thing we have in common - come what may - or come what may not come LOL!! ... happiness and peace for tha man.

I guess I could be wrong, but I always kind of had the feeling that Michael really wanted the best for Michael too, so I'm not sure that he's really needed us as much as we may sometimes feel he did (and of course does in other ways, I mean, who would he be without fans in his business all the time? LOL j/k) and if he's been here no doubt it was fun for him, maybe amounting to nothing more than enjoying a sort of "fan fic" LOL (if he enjoyed this thread, imagine - how could he ever resist not being riveted to his own fans' fics from sea to shining sea LOL rotfl and all fans know he loves/d to read! oh yes, this man has enjoyed so much blessings from so many beautiful female fans - and some males)

and we each have our own "version" of Michael I guess too, (reminds me of a line I feel I hear in the song - its so funny how when we say 'the song' everyone knows what song lol,

as someone said, whether we've just heard/seen/met/talked/hugged/looked at/seen him, we consider it a frozen moment in time no matter what, no doubt so everyone gets to "write" their own story in this thread

- and a multitude of fans he has at least looked at, at some point or other, being there are zillions of fans and only 1 of him *giggle*, - there is one fan story of that which really touches my heart - they know who they are - and there may be a smattering of truth to all and any "stories" for all we know lol. The most famous man in the world probably did get around a bit eh LOL, so I see where it pays to - at the core to keep a certain distance and at a certain level of privacy, leave it alone because what is truly meant to be kept private surely has, will and always will be, no matter what anybody's been "told", and there are probably differing versions according to the weather sometimes, or what a given person perceives or recalls at a given time, so, we all know that, so, just sayin' in case its needed, I presume in behalf of all of us that, that, is a given though really. Just one of those things I felt needed to be said but anyway, yes, now that I listen to the song again anew, it seems fairly clear. Seems very simple, and even sweeter. I can see him falling in love with someone he had felt just, ok about then realized it was really love. I've often heard the best of relationships have often started out that way.

I think the song does say it all. It all is very sweet. This whole DMJFLITD thing lol. - whatever it all "means" - its all so sweet, heck there may even be a sub-plot or two.

We all just want MJ to have felt loved very specially in this life. We could all see he has deserved at least that much, eh. So, I'm sure we're all happy MJ "found love in the..." - wherever he found it, if he did, presuming (for a moment Ash & Co.!! LOL!! *loveya*loveya*loveya*wink*) that his song is also his 'story' too. Some of us do. Some don't. What fun everyone gets to have!

Suddenly I'm reminded of something I stumbled upon in reading over some previous posts, and I meant to acknowledge something that I said didn't make sense and reading back over it made me think, well 'hmmm', maybe those are actually the very things that indicate it could be, instead of it couldn't be...but again I digress, lol If anyone KNOWS what I'm talking about, feel free to PM, too tired to go on about it. lol sorry y'all, I get chatty sometimes when I'm tired and wanna 'chat' lol ..


Funny you should say that Lily, I got the songs exactly in that order playin' almost all the time on my player when goin' to and from work. They really are lovely, aren't they? As for the questions, I wouldn't know, but I guess it's part of the mystery, and as always, mystery is nice.

Thank you all for the nice comments, it's nothing really. :flowers:

About the beauty part - I don't know about y'all, but I know for sure beauty has got to be complete in the man I choose. Whoever says that inner beauty alone is what they seek, is fooling themselves and the world. I can be quite the hypocrite at times, but this is one issue where it doesn't apply.

I'm sorry, but he can be a scientist finding the cure to cancer or making discoveries about DNA, or a doctor without borders doing his missionary work around the world, but without the touch and the look, it wouldn't be enough. That don't impress me much, as Shania whould say would be too harsh though.

Having said that, inner beauty is awesomely important. I'll just say this - I know all about the nice covers with the rotten interiors; you'd be surprised what some men are willing to do for just a little bit of material comfort. And that is all I'm about to say, before I get too deep into my own.

So, in the end, it's always about the whole package - inner AND outter beauty, a bit of intelligence as well wouldn't hurt either. Michael had every right to demand the best cause he offered it. I, on the other hand cannot say the same since most days I don't feel particularly beautiful either on the inside or the outside, but you do what you can and move on I guess, trying to make up for mistakes and doing better next time.

I remember a beautiful thing a preacher once said - if you don't have a virtue, act as though you did and, with time, you will have it. I can testify to the truth of that - by nature, I am quite an impatient soul, but life, in my short, but plentiful experience has taught me that the really good things only come with sacrifice, struggle and a lot of time and dedication. Plus, God's timing is always right, not one minute too late, not one minute too early, so all we can really do is wait on the Lord, as He asked in the good book.


Have a great day people.

http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/this_is_it/michael_jackson%20%288%29.jpg
Wow!, what a coincidence about you and Lily and the songs! WoW hmm, synchronities are fun to discover, and that one is rather, I have to say again, - interesting! lol. I so enjoyed reading this post too - I understand what you mean, I see things somewhat similiarly, and yes, MJ seems/d like an appreciation for outward beauty (whatever is meant to him) is not exactly missing from his "list" for sure - he has been seen/posed with/linked with some of the most gorgeous supermodels, actresses etc., so yes - ' agree.

... that picture in your sig is very special and beautiful. So many things about it are ... interesting. Would make a nice huge poster too!!! (*wonders if they thought of that) - my favorite colors are in there too.

*looks at it sideways*

Love the loafers, gotta love the loafers!! Love the socks, love the legs, ok sorry, well I'm sure there's one trait everyone has noticed where they would look last if they were ever forced or desperate to I.D. MJ, like whether someone was really MJ or not - or lol may be diff thing for diff ppl ... I won't say what mine is b/c it doesn't matter, but we all have one is the point - that one trait we look for -

so... anyway, yes, interesting pic, kinda in a sense dunn't quite somehow look exactly....I dunno ... one of those pics that makes me go hm but I love it ... gotta go ... just wanted to borrow some DMJFLITD luuuv vibes b4 going to sleep. No smilies tonight as I'm tired, yay eh queenie pie ehehhe

Well, ok here's one :flowers: God bless All

[8701girl]

Thanks for posting your thoughts Asedora.:) I agree beauty has to come from the inside out. MJ has seen all kinds of women and I'm sure the true love that captures his hearts would have to have something very special about her, an inward glow, substance, and character. Something beyond just superficial beauty. :)

~~~~~

Do you ladies ever wonder why "Human Nature" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" were the 2 songs chosen out of all of the songs as the extended clips? I'm kinda curious because out of the supposed set-list for the shows they seem to be more subdued performances, unless that was the whole advertising purpose, to get people to go see it in the theatre for the dance routine performances. Oh well, I'm not complaining because "Human Nature" is my all time favorite MJ song :wub: so I'm happy to see it since I won't be going to the theatre.


Also, I was just listening to "Hold My Hand" again and then I listened to "This Is It" and when listening to the 2 songs not only do I hear a more intense happy voice I get this feeling like MJ was ready and moving forward with love if that makes any sense? And those 2 songs being the most recent ones released maybe he had something happen that changed his life. Like falling in love.....

Oh well, just a random thought I guess.
I think ''human nature'' & ''the way u make me feel'' were picked out was possibly cuz those two songs are very popular amog us fans. I know they are in my top 10 mj list

[Lily]

Funny you should say that Lily, I got the songs exactly in that order playin' almost all the time on my player when goin' to and from work. They really are lovely, aren't they? As for the questions, I wouldn't know, but I guess it's part of the mystery, and as always, mystery is nice.




Wow!, what a coincidence about you and Lily and the songs! WoW hmm, synchronities are fun to discover, and that one is rather, I have to say again, - interesting! lol.


That is interesting :unsure: I just posted them in the order they were released and what made me think of them is I was reading the HMH thread in GD last night that somebody bumped from when HMH first came out, took another listen and thought to myself MJ's voice seemed upbeat and happy, then I listened to TII and felt the same thing. Hmmmmm.....




hm, had never, probably would never have thought of it and now I am, and I'm intrigued. You are quite observant. Not sure I get what you're seeing in the/a correlation in the two though, feel free to expound, you'd have 'an ear' here. *smile* Interesting points you're making about *the falling in love*.


I'm not sure there's any correlation I was just curious that for promotion more subdued song clips were released versus the big dance numbers. Maybe there's a marketing strategy in it somewhere, I have no idea and it certainly is not my area of expertise. Just one of my random thoughts that I said outloud. LOL



I think ''human nature'' & ''the way u make me feel'' were picked out was possibly cuz those two songs are very popular amog us fans. I know they are in my top 10 mj list

I agree.

[Sdeidjs]

I hear you ;) . I get the feeling from the song, that he is acknowledging that
he felt something for "her" (if there is a "her") which he felt
"she" (if there is a "she") also felt for him, but also felt he had not gotten quite sufficiently validated by her for various reasons until she apparently told him certain things eg., (You said you wanted to go with me all the while) and so he realized that
he was right about that feeling of "knowing" her all along, ...ya know, like how you encounter someone who seems so "familiar" that somehow it seems
you've known them FOREVER ? (Seems as though I've known you since a thousand years) while at the same time, it seems (from other songs and maybe this one) that he's trying to figure out why is it that since he was right about her why did she act the opposite. That's why I felt your story fit. :)


:huh: OKaayyy... So..."some" people do chuckle every now and then! :smilerolleyes:



OK the photos lesseee hmm :rolleyes:

ok well..

The first photo relates to For All Time - do you see the way the sun is slowly 'coming up' on him ..? ... as in, "sun comes up on this new morning"

The second one is easy - 2000 Watts :)
"you may now apply your 3-D glasses"

The third one, okay, well, the picture inside the circle depicts
Break of Dawn (as, once again, the sun has risen upon him),

The picture outside the circle is all about, Threatened, which we spoke about earlier, eg., "every time your lady speaks she speaks to me"

Allof them lead to my favorite and most comical rock song of all time - that being,

State of Shock ..

... got me "catatonic" ... got me "paralyzed"

;) get it? "catatonic??" ..."paralyzed"??


mannequins?






:lmao:





Okay enough 'corn' :giggle:

I guess this would be a good time as any for some more good music LOL!

Speaking of our purpose for being here, I'm still at this question in life and I LOVE this song from one of the earlier albums, where Michael at 12..!.. is telling us how to go about finding out why we are here, living this life, with his lil 'ole soul' :wub: *smiles*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rWeqVihOnY

Michael and his brothers sing this very spiritual song together.

Michael's voice is PURELY AMAZING! All the brothers! This is such an AMAZING song.

"find that tree of wisdom ...find out why you're livin'... reach in! ...into your soul!! oh!! reach in!! ...... and let love shine in!" :listeningtomusic:

LOVE it, love it, LOVE IT! :wub: Its very healing and enlightening song, I feel.

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, does this count as sending the message back? :D Thank you ever so much. That was truly beautiful.



I was going over some pictures I took last year around this time during a pilgrimage to Rome and I found the pic of a
great tablecloth that goes well with what you just posted. It has a very true message

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4497/fragile.jpg


God sure does work in mysterious ways - last year during mid-October I was going to my spiritual home (I truly felt at home when I stepped into Saint Peter's Square), this year I went to a different kind of home. I wonder what next October will bring.


Anyways, I also wanted to share with you a video that fits right into Ape's and Sdeidjs' posts. I actually cried when I first saw it.

It is about the true value of solidarity. It shows that in life one needs not strive to be the first, but to help the brothers do their best as Janet sang so beautifully in Rhythm nation. True joy is in giving and whoever wants to be great in the kingdom of heaven must become servant of all, just as the Son of God came to serve and not be served.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD35EXkAHW0



And since I was talkin' about beauty earlier, I can't believe I missed some
gorgeous pictures in the thread http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78645 Breathtaking really.

And now I went and discovered another set. Just gorgeous, I can't believe that after 17 years Smooth criminal appears equally amazing, what am I saying? It's like the turning of juice to great red wine, keeps getting better.

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/09102013292a7811bea4f2af7b.jpg

http://attachments.cngba.com/attachments/month_0910/0910201329f55e26376265cbfc.jpg

It feels as though a strange kind of peace has come over this thread doesn't it? The quiet times are great and are sooo needed every now and then.


A tiny miracle just happened to me cause I wasn't feeling very well, but I had made a promise and I had to keep it, so in spite of my doubts I managed to write some things. Thank you all for reading, good night and God bless.

Dear Shabuya,

I am at a loss for words except...Absolutely Breathtaking~~~

:punk:

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

wow ape thats amazing.i can remember you once wrote about it here.the trailer also is very catchy..I hope that God opens you more doors and windows in your life.
btw
sdeidjs thank you for sharing the nice story. very touching.
God bless you all.

Your very welcome...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs and Shabuya,
thanks for the posts, was
very pleasant to read. Michael sooooooo gorgeous in these pics!!! :wub:

Hum...
:wild:
I think I know who is the woman that Michael mentions in the This is It song, he's until already is engaged! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DztmdXnVRgyg&ru

Ok ladies, this was to relax a bit. :giggle:
he was so cute... :wub::wub:

Dear Lily,
Mr.Jackson has the most beautiful people in the world as fans/admirers...I have to say I Thank You all you for being you..!

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

MysteriousPhoenix;2299530]
Ape, congratulations on the noble work you're involved in!
Michael would be so proud of you ... and so am I!:clapping:
That screenwriter is really involved in some work that I think Michael would really be proud of as well. He sounds like such a noble man and I'm glad you were blessed with the opportunity to work with such a person. You two would make a really great team!

I also wanted to tell you that I did see your other posts on this topic, but the thing is, I really have a problem viewing YouTube 'cause of my weird computer and internet connection. I have no problem posting videos here for you all to enjoy, but the ironic thing is, I can't always view them myself!

Anyway, I hope you continue to be blessed and have loads of fun! BTW, I meant to tell you: Gimme that little kitty you showed us all earlier!!!:mello: lol!

Also ...

Sdeidjs and Shabuya, I meant to thank you earlier for all of the inspirational post you have been sharing with us lately.
You rock! :punk:[/QUOTE]

Your so very Welcomed...Thank You too~~~

:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Hello People!

Sdeidjs and Shabuya, I loved all your posts! Is very interesting to read! Thanks for always sharing with us! ;)

Lully, I love this video! I love this day!!! I felt a little sorry for the girl... :( The security man didn't leave her to see that Michael has put the ring on his finger!
Michael is so adorable! Is impossible not to falling love for him! :wub: As I said once:

"God made Michael and He lost revenue" :D

Now, I'll let the video and lyrics for a song that I love very much and that has much to do with this thread:


NOT ENOUGH - VAN HALEN

To love somebody naturally
To love somebody faithfully
To love somebody equally
Is not enough
Is not enough
It´s not enough

To love somebody secretly, and never touch
To love somebody honestly, and allways trust
To love somebody tenderly, the tender touch
It´s not enough
It´s not enough

Love hurts you sometimes
It´s not so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
You turn and swear
It´s always been there

To love somebody foolishly, can happen once
To love somebody hopelessly, it hurts so much
To love somebody equally
Is not enough
Is not enough
It´s not enough

Love takes a little time
It´s no so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
You turn and swear
She´s always been there
Standin´ there...oh

And if it don´t come easily
One thing you must believe
You can always have trust in me
Because my heart will allways be, yours honestly

Yeah, love hurts you sometimes
Not so easy to find, no
Searchin´ everywhere
Then turn and swear
It´s always been there
Standing there

Love hurts you sometimes
Not yours, it´s not mine, no
Love´s only to share
Turn and swear
It´s everywhere
Standing there
´Cause it´s always been there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56eocrE6GLc

Hope you enjoy it! ;)

:punk:Your welcome...Love your posts too...this is a wonderful thread...In my opinion...I think Michael would be pleased..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Just wanted to put my 5 cents here about MJ lyrics again and “her” image in his new song. I got rabbi Shmuley’s book recently and as more as I read it as more confident I get that Michael never met this women. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t exist though. Probably, many women in the world think that this song has been written for them.:)
The book itself is waste of time and money because there are a lot of conversations about Judaism which I am not interested in. And I tried to avoid reading weird rabbi’s comments about Michael. However , some dialogues are pretty interesting and informative. Michael was such a huge perfectionist in many ways which makes me think even more that he never met this woman in his life time. He was a perfectionist regrinding his own physical appearance and maybe he was looking for kind of the same? He told Janet, his sister to lose weight because at his point of view she looked “huge like a caw”, he said. It tells me that Michael used to like slim women. I always feel very sorry for women with weight problems. Sometimes it is something ppl cannot control. Anyways it is nothing unusual about him as a man. All men love beautiful women.
On another hand, in this dialogue he says about
beauty of soul which is very true and which I agree with. At the same time he didn’t like when women approached him, and it is very understandable too. His situation as a super mega star was so different., so he
had tons of women around him who wanted just to talk to
him for 1 second. Could it be possible that somebody real denied him “hanging around”? It is possible , if she was another Hollywood star. But we know there were none he really liked except Brook Shield. But I am not sure that this song is about her. Does she match the lyrics 100%? I do not think so. He heard about her many times LOL I know he loved her and they had very platonic relationships.
So, in the end this woman has to be
beautiful from inside and outside at his point of view and she has to match 100% with “her” qualities from his song at least. All of it makes me think that he had never met her. It was mostly his imagination and maybe sort of mysterious contact, and just God knows what it really was imo. Thank you for reading. It was too long this time.

Dear Asedora,
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...Please keep in mind...one can have the most gorgeous woman/man in the world but on the inside they are ugly, pompus, and arrogant...

Image is not everything in a woman/man...it's all the beauty that radiates from within that over powers any physical attributes...

That to me, is what truly is way more important..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Thanks for posting your thoughts Asedora.:) I agree
beauty has to come from the inside out. MJ has seen all kinds of women and I'm sure
the true love that captures his hearts would have to have something very special about her, an inward glow, substance, and character. Something beyond just superficial beauty. :)
~~~~~

Do you ladies ever wonder why "Human Nature" and "The Way You Make Me Feel" were the 2 songs chosen out of all of the songs as the extended clips? I'm kinda curious because out of the supposed set-list for the shows they seem to be more subdued performances, unless that was the whole advertising purpose, to get people to go see it in the theatre for the dance routine performances. Oh well, I'm not complaining because "Human Nature" is my all time favorite MJ song :wub: so I'm happy to see it since I won't be going to the theatre.


Also, I was just listening to "Hold My Hand" again and then I listened to "This Is It" and when listening to the 2 songs not only do I hear a more intense happy voice I get this feeling like MJ was ready and moving forward with love if that makes any sense? And those 2 songs being the most recent ones released maybe he had something happen that changed his life. Like falling in love.....

Oh well, just a random thought I guess.

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Asedora]

Woah, you have the book, interesting. What part of the book told you that or made u come to that conclusion? (bolded above)... surmise if u could share a bit?

Another question, what qualities do u hear in the song that you are referring to? I do understand what you mean about perfectionism and I don't know if you meant it this way I'm also thinking but one thing is, if he was expecting "perfection" maybe she felt that she couldn't live up to that ideal, maybe she had the 'ideal' for him herself, wanting the best for him too, maybe he was looking for perfection from HIMSELF only, and the guy has always been the dictionary definition of beautiful since childhood, and that never changed, no matter what else may have, so yeh, its an interesting thought.

question/s: what dialogue are u referring to, did I miss something? "Dialogue of the Soul" - sounds like a book title lol - just wanted to ask what are u referring to ~ I always enjoy reading your posts btw ~ always a pleasant read. I know mine are too long, sorry...really.

:flowers: God bless All


There is not a particular part of the book which makes me think that way. Many dialogues have some sort of signs that he was very lonely and he wanted to be loved. Many dialogues are about religion and beauty of soul. In one part of dialogue (I think right after conversation about Madonna?) he says that the beauty has come from inside. If you have a book you easy will find it. Michael was a very spiritual man and perfectionist in many ways including physical life. I do not know, maybe this is only my way of reading things? Very often ppl read the same thing and understand it very different.. . But it is OK, everybody is different… .
You are asking me what qualities she has to match according to this song? Once again, everybody sees things different. “Her” qualities I see in this lyrics I just will put below for your convenience:


1. And it feels as though I've seen your face a thousand times
2. And I know that you have got addicted with your eyes
3 But you say you gonna leave it for yourself
4. I never heard a single word about you
6. I’m the light of your world, run away
7. And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
8. And you said to me you don’t want me hanging around
Many times
8. And I feel as though I've known you for a thousand years
9. And you said you were some of this yourself

10 And you said won’t you go with me, on a while
11. And I know that it’s really true myself

Did I miss something? well....
He even said to her :“feel my song”. He doesn’t ask her to read it, but to feel. I am very positive myself that lyrics is something you have to feel, not just to read.Let God deal with it.... .:) This is only I can say... .
I do not know, maybe I am wrong? This is just another different opinion.

Everybody, have a nice day:)

[Asedora]

Dear Asedora,
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...Please keep in mind...one can have the most gorgeous woman/man in the world but on the inside they are ugly, pompus, and arrogant...

Image is not everything in a woman/man...it's all the beauty that radiates from within that over powers any physical attributes...

That to me, is what truly is way more important..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~


Oh! I am very aware of it. Soul is much more important than body. Just in physical world material things look stronger sometimes. It is nice to have both balanced while you are alive, but it is very rare. When body dies, everything changes, I believe.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Oh! I am very aware of it. Soul is much more important than body. Just in physical world material things look stronger sometimes. It is nice to have both balanced while you are alive, but it is very rare. When body dies, everything changes, I believe.

I think you made some very good points Asedora. I think inner beauty is soooooo much more important than outer beauty, however, at the same time, realistically, I guess two people in a relationship would have to be at least a little physically attracted to each other at some point. But, like Sdeidjs said, even that is in the eye of the beholder, so I guess it all works out in the end. I especially think God, in His wisdom, when He puts two people together, He takes all these things into consideration and makes sure that the people He puts together are pleasing to each other in every way and compatible with each other to ensure that their relationship lasts and is a complete success.

[summer]

Ah, I hate it how I always forget what I was gonna comment on in each post after reading them! :scratch: :lol: You know, I read some post...and think about something I wanna comment on...go read the next post...and so on...and by the time I'm done reading the posts and go back to quote the posts, I'm already like "What did I have in mind for this one?" :scratch: :lol:

Anyways...before I comment on ANYTHING...I just wanted to say two things. First...I love how this thread is almost like a "blog"...where we all add entries. You could almost call it the "LITD Blog" instead of a "thread". :lol: It's great! :)

Second...I was just watching the movie "Xanadu" yesterday. Has any of you guys seen it? It was the first movie my sister and I rented when we got our first VCR back in the 80's...and I hadn't watched it again until this year. And now that I watched it I couldn't stop thinking how our LITD thread ("blog" :lol:) is totally like the story from Xanadu! :lol: (Should we call this the "Xanadu Blog" then? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:). The whole story here would pretty much fit in the Xanadu story...well, except not until the end really. (Or maybe we haven't gotten to the part where she tries to get to "the other side" to get MJ back to "this side"? :D (That's if you reverse the roles at some point...). Didn't Justus say she needs hope and enlightment...? :lol: So maybe she just needs to go get him back from "the other side"....? :clapping: :lol: (I hope she'll hurry...I wanna get MJ back on this side too!!!:timer: :angel::angel::angel:). Anyways...I guess I was just sent into this "dream world" while watching "Xanadu" and couldn't help but to think how awesome it would be if MJ came back!! :clapping:I don't know how that could be possible, but like I've said before...I don't think it's our job to figure that out...God should do it for us. Wish there was a way. :angel::angel::angel:))


Just wanted to put my 5 cents here about MJ lyrics again and “her” image in his new song. I got rabbi Shmuley’s book recently and as more as I read it as more confident I get that Michael never met this women. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t exist though. Probably, many women in the world think that this song has been written for them.:)
The book itself is waste of time and money because there are a lot of conversations about Judaism which I am not interested in. And I tried to avoid reading weird rabbi’s comments about Michael. However , some dialogues are pretty interesting and informative. Michael was such a huge perfectionist in many ways which makes me think even more that he never met this woman in his life time. He was a perfectionist regrinding his own physical appearance and maybe he was looking for kind of the same? He told Janet, his sister to lose weight because at his point of view she looked “huge like a caw”, he said. It tells me that Michael used to like slim women. I always feel very sorry for women with weight problems. Sometimes it is something ppl cannot control. Anyways it is nothing unusual about him as a man. All men love beautiful women.
On another hand, in this dialogue he says about beauty of soul which is very true and which I agree with. At the same time he didn’t like when women approached him, and it is very understandable too. His situation as a super mega star was so different., so he had tons of women around him who wanted just to talk to him for 1 second. Could it be possible that somebody real denied him “hanging around”? It is possible , if she was another Hollywood star. But we know there were none he really liked except Brook Shield. But I am not sure that this song is about her. Does she match the lyrics 100%? I do not think so. He heard about her many times LOL I know he loved her and they had very platonic relationships.
So, in the end this woman has to be beautiful from inside and outside at his point of view and she has to match 100% with “her” qualities from his song at least. All of it makes me think that he had never met her. It was mostly his imagination and maybe sort of mysterious contact, and just God knows what it really was imo. Thank you for reading. It was too long this time.

I do think MJ's "type" looks wise would have been the "beautiful, skinny model type". Who was smart. And had a heart of gold. And was classy. Oh, and famous and/or rich. :lol: :lol: I think that's why he liked Brooke so much, because she has the brains, the body, the money and the heart too, I guess. There were a lot of pretty girls around him, but for some reason I can't really see him being with some pretty model who had no interest in arts or any kind of "culture" or who was only interested in partying, etc. Doesn't really seem like a match. Just like I can't really see him with some beautiful, but dead serious lawyer or a business woman with no sense of humor or lacking the "kid at heart" part either. Can't see how it would really "work" if she'd think all the waterfight and amusement park stuff is "childish" and would keep telling him to "grow up"...when that was what was fun for him. I mean, if the other one wants to go have a drink while the other one wants to have a water fight to "have fun"...how's that gonna work? That's like two worlds colliding into each other. Like two people from different "planets" trying to be together. I mean, anything's possible, I guess and if you really work at it and if both are really tolerant and good at compromising, maybe it can work...not sure if it could be "ultimately satisfying" if you felt your significant other doesn't "completely understand you"....but I guess it could work? I mean, I guess sometimes opposites attract? But when I think about myself, for example...I LOVE to laugh...and if the guy had no sense of humor (or it didn't match mine), and if he'd think joking around is stupid and "childish", it would NEVER work because I'd be bored to death and I just love it too much. :lol: I mean, I can't say what MJ wanted or what he would have been willing to compromise...but being a person who loves to laugh and act silly myself, I think it would be difficult to "quiet" that side of you, or to be happy if you could not have that side of you show. But that's just me. Like I said, maybe for MJ other things mattered and he would have compromised the playful side if he felt she had everything else? It's possible.

Anyways, what comes to the song TII though...like I've said...I don't think it's a song he was working on recently or planning to release during the tour. All signs point to that. But that's just my opinion. -_- :lol:




About the beauty part - I don't know about y'all, but I know for sure beauty has got to be complete in the man I choose. Whoever says that inner beauty alone is what they seek, is fooling themselves and the world. I can be quite the hypocrite at times, but this is one issue where it doesn't apply.

I'm sorry, but he can be a scientist finding the cure to cancer or making discoveries about DNA, or a doctor without borders doing his missionary work around the world, but without the touch and the look, it wouldn't be enough. That don't impress me much, as Shania whould say would be too harsh though.

Having said that, inner beauty is awesomely important. I'll just say this - I know all about the nice covers with the rotten interiors; you'd be surprised what some men are willing to do for just a little bit of material comfort. And that is all I'm about to say, before I get too deep into my own.

So, in the end, it's always about the whole package - inner AND outter beauty, a bit of intelligence as well wouldn't hurt either. Michael had every right to demand the best cause he offered it. I, on the other hand cannot say the same since most days I don't feel particularly beautiful either on the inside or the outside, but you do what you can and move on I guess, trying to make up for mistakes and doing better next time.


http://www.omelete.com.br/images/galerias/this_is_it/michael_jackson%20%288%29.jpg

I agree with the "beauty" part....I mean...of course everyone is different...but I do think that most people do consider and take a look at the "looks" as well, in the opposite sex. Or maybe it's more the "attraction factor" rather than "beauty" per se...You know, there has to be that "something"...there has to be "chemistry". But what that is to each person, I'm not sure if anyone can really say? Or maybe it's a combination of things? Because you could have two absolutely beautiful men/women standing next to each other and still to different people one of them could come across as "ugly" or "not that attractive" while the other one had the "wow factor" for them...or it could be that someone didn't find them attractive at all. Or found them both extremely attractive. I think it depends what one is looking for? I mean, could be that someone is beautiful...but then the way they look at life, or how they act or treat other people is a complete turn off? Or what is a turn off for one person, could be a turn on for someone else? One may think someone super confident is arrogant, while someone else would think it's a great quality to be so self-confident because they don't like people who are shy or insecure.

There's this really cute doctor at work that I've kind of had a crush on for like probably almost two years by now. :lol: He's really goodlooking...like the male model type...even though when I first saw him, I didn't really think he was THAT hot. But then I took a "second look" and I was like "Actually he is REALLY hot..." :wild: :lol: But then I thought he must be really arrogant since he's so goodlooking (I know...I was totally prejudice...but I guess everyone does it...you know you go through a "checklist"...:lol:). So anyways, I got to work with him daily and turns out he is reeeeeeally sweet, and hard-working and really polite and reeeally sweet to the kids (which always makes my heart melt when a guy is good with kids. Always makes me go ":wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:"!! :lol:). So it was already like "click...click...click...". You know "Smart...check....sweet personality and polite...check....great with kids...check...hot...check" :lol: And he is FUNNY...he has a great sense of humor and laughs a lot, so that was awesome. AND....then one day I was in one kid's room doing something and he came in to examine that kid, and the kid was watching this one cartoon on TV...and he took a look at the TV and was like "OMG, I LOVE THAT CARTOON!!!" and I just had to laugh because I thought that was SO CUTE!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: I mean, you have a thirty something doctor...who then goes crazy over a particular cartoon!! :lol: LOVED that! :lol: It just made me smile. :lol: And at first I thought he's probably kidding...but the way he knew EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER in it and talked to the kid like a true fan I was like "Hmmm...maybe he really does watch it." And it was like THE THING that made me sigh and go "Aaaaw man!" :wub: Like what was TOTALLY endearing to me! :wub: :lol: Like, if I wasn't interested before (even though I was)..I DEFINATELY was now! :lol: Then I saw how he was posting pics of that cartoon in the internet and again, it made me smile....and then his girlfriend (yeah...that's the "UNCHECK ALL" part in the whole thing...:boohoo: :lol:) posted "Oh gosh, honey, grow up...! :rolleyes:" and I was like "Why does she think that's childish? It's CUTE!". :wub: You know, if one were acting like a child all the time, it would be a bit "too much"...but when the guy is a mature adult other wise, but is a kid at heart...to me that's cute. I love that! My dad was like that! :lol: I'll never forget how he always told me how he has to hurry to his hotel in time to see Darkwing Duck on TV when he was on a business trip. :lol: :lol: I thought he's kidding, but then he was like "No, I mean it...I love it!!!!" and he'd tell me all this stuff from the episodes and I just had to laugh! :lol: I thought it was too funny, but in a good way! I mean, he was a business man, going from meeting to meeting and travelling and all that...and then he was watching Darkwing Duck in the hotel. :lol: :lol: That was so funny to me, in a good way. My dad was a big kid at heart anyways, so I guess that's why I love that quality in guys, because I am the same. I think I got that from my dad. He was ALWAYS joking around and laughing and I could never be mad at him for a long time (and I DID TRY...:lol:) because he'd start acting silly if I was pouting or cracked jokes or something and I couldn't help but to start laughing. :lol: :lol: And then I was angry at myself for not having been able to "be angry and pout" for much longer than five minutes. :lol: Or I'd try to leave the room quick because I was about to start laughing so that he won't see and so that I can pretend I'm angry at him...and he'd be like "OOOOOH I SAW YOU LAUGHING!!! BUSTED!!" :lol: Or I'd pretend I'm angry...but then I'd just start grinning and laughing even when I just saw him because I knew that he knew that I was about to crack up even thought I didn't want to. So he'd be like "Oh we are SO ANGRY aren't we...:tease::tease::tease:". :lol: :lol: You just COULDN'T be angry at him for a long time because he just CRACKED ME UP every single time. :lol: :lol: So anyways...I guess that's why I love guys who are a kid at heart and can act silly and have a great sense of humor because I'm the same and I just love to laugh more than anything, so if we'd argue, all he'd have to do is do something funny and I'd probably already be laughing. :lol: ANYWAYS....the point is...I think looks matter to some extend (but then again, like I said, what is attractive to one person, may not be attractive to someone else)...but I think a big part is the personality. Because a great personality goes a long way....good looks don't. At least in my opinion. Because if a guy is really hot...but then I see him being really arrogant or inconsiderate or rude, etc, to others...it's a HUGE turn off. And I don't think I'd be interested much after that. No matter how nice he was to me. Because it's not how they treat ME...but how they treat OTHERS as well that counts...at least to me. So no matter how hot he was...if the personality sucked...I couldn't be less interested. Or if he was a total sweetheart...but then there just wasn't "that something"...(and it can be anything...a cute smile...or the sparkle in their eyes...sometimes you just can't say what it is), it just won't work, no matter how great the personality is. At least in my opinion. And then there is the "someone else" factor too. :lol: No matter how perfect you think someone is for you....if they are already with someone else...not much you can do? So it was most likely the same for MJ too...There were probably loads of beautiful women around him...who didn't have what he was looking for personality wise. Or they were sweet, but they just didn't have that "something" looks wise. Or...they had the looks and the personality and everything else....but were already with someone else. :( And then there is the "how do YOU feel" factor too...like you guys mentioned. What if you feel the other one would be PERFECT for you....but you think you're not "in their league" because of whatever? I mean, like that cute doctor at work...I mean, apart from the fact that he has a girlfriend...I also don't think I'd be his type. We were once in the staff room having lunch and one other doctor was reading a magazine and then was like "Wow...look at her...isn't she hot!" and showed him a picture of this beautiful dark haired model and he was like "Oh yeah!! She's definately my type!" and I kind of instinctively took a glance at myself and was like "So if that's his type then I definately am not his type...because a)I'm blonde and b) I'm not skinny and c) I don't look like a model." :lol: I mean, he did sort of ask me out once...but I said no because I had absolutely no idea how he meant it. Because he has a girlfriend (hello?! :lol: Then again...he IS very friendly and has lots of female friends too, so I think he just meant he wanted to hang out as friends...because he doesn't come across as the "playboy type" really). And since I do sort of have a crush on him...I just didn't think it was a good idea to spend too much time with him because I'd only get my heart broken since I like him and he's already taken...and I don't think I'd be "his type" anyways...or even anywhere "in his league". So why do that to myself? So you know, what if MJ thought like that too or he felt no one could ever understand him and that alone was such a huge fear of his that he was afraid to even approach someone because he thought she might think he's "weird" or won't like his looks or whatever? (Even though most females were crazy about his looks and I can't see how he could ever think he'd look like "a lizard"!! :doh: :lol: But I guess it doesn't matter how many people tell a person how gorgeous they are...if they themselves don't think that way. :scratch:)


Oh! I am very aware of it. Soul is much more important than body. Just in physical world material things look stronger sometimes. It is nice to have both balanced while you are alive, but it is very rare. When body dies, everything changes, I believe.

Actually I just read on CNN or somewhere where they were talking about body and consciousness and "near death experiences" and all that...and they were saying that scientists are trying to find out if consciousness does indeed live without the body. Because the near death experiences would point to that. It said they are now putting some things on the floor or in places where you would not see them if you were laying there as a patient....to try to see if the "out of body experiences" during "near death experiences" are in fact happening. I thought that was FASCINATING. And imagine what a revolution that would be if we indeed discovered that the body really just IS a "vessel"...but our mind/consciousness does exist without it as well. Just one question...where does it go after the "vessel" dies? :scratch:

Anyways....I think I babbled on endlessly again and it's time to stop now. :lol: (SOS...I LOVE your long posts! Don't apologize! I actually love conversations and LONG conversations...I could often keep talking about all kinds of things and I love it if other people do as well. I'm not a huge fan of "chit chat"...you know, the "club talk" and the "gossiping behind people's back" (even though I guess we do "gossip" in this thread since we talk about MJ and his "love interests"...but it's all with nice intentions and not the "back stabbing" kind...not the hateful "making fun of kind"). That's why I'd much rather hang out at someone's place and just TAAAALK about anything and everything for hours...than go to a club where you have to scream to hear the other person and you can't have any real conversation with anyone. And I mean, I don't drink alcohol...so the only thing left for me is to have conversations...but when you have to SCREAM...it's not that great...besides people rarely wanna have a real conversation anyways. That's why this thread is so great. :yes:)

Oh and one last thing. MISS MONKEY!!!! (=Ape...:P :lol: :lol:) Congratulations on the film!! And I like the "Leave a little room for hope" motto...sounds great. :yes:

(And WOW...I was almost SURE this post is WAY TOO LONG and I'll have to post it in two parts...but nope...it fits! :wild: Cool! :lol: :lol:)

[Asedora]

Anyways, what comes to the song TII though...like I've said...I don't think it's a song he was working on recently or planning to release during the tour. All signs point to that. But that's just my opinion. -_- :lol:



Well, I think it doesn’t matter when this lyrics was written imo. I guess, he had a good reason not to release this song before. Michael was a very sensitive and mysterious figure as we all know. I believe, he was a psychic himself. Some great artists and writers are psychics and they can predict things and see the future.. Very often it appears in their works. Michael definitely was one of them. But it is just my opinion once again.

[Lainy]

Summer, you should be very fun, I laughed a lot reading your post! :lol:


Originally Posted by summer
and couldn't help but to think how awesome it would be if MJ came back!! :clapping: I don't know how that could be possible, but like I've said before...I don't think it's our job to figure that out...God should do it for us. Wish there was a way.:angel::angel::angel: ))

:smilerolleyes:

:girl_whistle:

God knows what is best for each one of us, and for Him NOTHING is impossible! ^_^

[summer]

Well, I think it doesn’t matter when this lyrics was written imo. I guess, he had a good reason not to release this song before. Michael was a very sensitive and mysterious figure as we all know. I believe, he was a psychic himself. Some great artists and writers are psychics and they can predict things and see the future.. Very often it appears in their works. Michael definitely was one of them. But it is just my opinion once again.

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't matter when the lyrics were written either, if it was a song he had been working on recently and planned to release during the tour. It's just that, to me, it doesn't look like it was his idea to release the song...but rather it was just a song John Branca found in the vaults after MJ died and then planned to release it. That's why I have a hard time finding any "relevancy" (is that a word? :lol:) in that song because I don't think MJ had anything to do with it recently. But I never was good with the theories anyways...so don't mind me. :lol: I'm just saying. :lol:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Second...I was just watching the movie "Xanadu" yesterday. Has any of you guys seen it? It was the first movie my sister and I rented when we got our first VCR back in the 80's...and I hadn't watched it again until this year. And now that I watched it I couldn't stop thinking how our LITD thread ("blog" :lol:) is totally like the story from Xanadu! :lol: (Should we call this the "Xanadu Blog" then? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:). The whole story here would pretty much fit in the Xanadu story...well, except not until the end really. (Or maybe we haven't gotten to the part where she tries to get to "the other side" to get MJ back to "this side"? :D (That's if you reverse the roles at some point...). Didn't Justus say she needs hope and enlightment...? :lol: So maybe she just needs to go get him back from "the other side"....? :clapping: :lol: (I hope she'll hurry...I wanna get MJ back on this side too!!!:timer: :angel::angel::angel:). Anyways...I guess I was just sent into this "dream world" while watching "Xanadu" and couldn't help but to think how awesome it would be if MJ came back!! :clapping:I don't know how that could be possible, but like I've said before...I don't think it's our job to figure that out...God should do it for us. Wish there was a way. :angel::angel::angel:))



OMGoodness! I love Olivia Newton-John!:wild: As a matter of fact, the quote in my siggy is from her song, "Twist of Fate." That song isn't from the movie Xanadu, but it could probably fit somehow.

And, I've been listening to the song "Xanadu" a lot lately, in fact I just listened to it again today!:wild: (I know, I'm weird, but I'm very proud of my weirdness.:lol:) That's all gotta mean somethin'! After all, as ashtanga says, "It's not a coincidence! There are no coincidences!":wild::lol:

I haven't seen the movie Xanadu yet, but I've been meaning to for a while now. I just read up on it and, yes, it does seem eerily similar to the story of MJ and his LITD!:wild: I also found out that there is a song from the movie that could probably fit in this thread. It's called "Suspended in Time." Here are the lyrics:


Suspended in Time

OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN:

A child and a fool in one
So sure I could need no one
My heart always on the run to nowhere
Now as you're holding me
My heart is reminding me
That now I could never be without you

But how can our love succeed
A miracle is what we need
And so I appeal to you
To keep me suspended in time with you
Don't let this moment die
I get a feeling when I'm with you
None of the rules apply
But I know for certain
Goodbye is a crime
So love if you need me
Suspend me in time

Wasted the time away
Holding our love at bay
Now I can't last a day without you
Your smile is a thrill to see
Eyes hold me tenderly
They'll shine in my memory forever

But how can our love succeed
A miracle is what we need
And so I appeal to you
To keep me suspended in time with you
Don't let this moment die
I get a feeling when I'm with you
None of the rules apply
But I know for certain
Goodbye is a crime
So love if you need me
Suspend me in time
In time

[Lily]

"People are like stained glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light from within."

[Asedora]

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't matter when the lyrics were written either, if it was a song he had been working on recently and planned to release during the tour. It's just that, to me, it doesn't look like it was his idea to release the song...but rather it was just a song John Branca found in the vaults after MJ died and then planned to release it. That's why I have a hard time finding any "relevancy" (is that a word? :lol:) in that song because I don't think MJ had anything to do with it recently. But I never was good with the theories anyways...so don't mind me. :lol: I'm just saying. :lol:

Yeah, maybe you are right:)

But, according to wiki....,


Paul Anka, who co-wrote the song, stated that it was recorded in 1983 for a duet intended between him and Jackson on his album Walk a Fine Line under the original title of "I Never Heard"
Jackson's copy of the original recording of "This Is It" was apparently found in a box of tapes with only Jackson's voice and a piano accompaniment


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_It_(Michael_Jackson_song)

So, it had to be a duet on tape but it appeared with only Jackson's voice? Strange.... Another Mystery? God knows when he recorded it.... .

PS.Also, Lyrics is different as far as I know? Sa-Fire recorded it with different lyrics.

EDIT:This Is It” was based on a tape that Mr. Jackson left behind, containing only his piano and vocal.
Mr. McClain built a full arrangement around it, including backup vocals by Mr. Jackson’s brothers. Aside from a few major differences in the lyrics, the song is almost identical to “I Never Heard.”http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/arts/music/13anka.html?_r=1&hp


So, the original tape which had been found contained just Michael's piano and vocal
Beautiful.....:)

[8701girl]

Summer, you should be very fun, I laughed a lot reading your post! :lol:


So did i! :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Because "This Is It" was released on the 12th day of October and at 12:00 midnight, and because 12 is the number that describes measurements, etc. of Heaven, and because this song fell perfectly in place with this thread about MJ being in love, I'm going to say that God had His hand in the release of this song.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds....

[8701girl]

Because "This Is It" was released on the 12th day of October and at 12:00 midnight, and because 12 is the number that describes measurements, etc. of Heaven, and because this song fell perfectly in place with this thread about MJ being in love, I'm going to say that God had His hand in the release of this song.

Aww omg! wow first it was the number 7, now 12 seems to have a mystery bout it..

[tha]

Someone here mentioned Olivia Newton-John?

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3513/mikeolivia.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7704/mikeolivia2.jpg
Go to sleep, Mike! :P

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1030/mikeolivia3.jpg



:)

[8701girl]

Someone here mentioned Olivia Newton-John?



http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7704/mikeolivia2.jpg
Go to sleep, Mike! :P







:lol: ok mikey u look wayyy to tired...need a bed??
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/public/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg

[tha]

:lol: ok mikey u look wayyy to tired...need a bed??
file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/public/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.jpg

My bed? :rolleyes2: :lol:

[8701girl]

My bed? :rolleyes2: :lol:


Nope my bed..... i wish!

[Asedora]

and because this song fell perfectly in place with this thread about MJ being in love, I'm going to say that God had His hand in the release of this song.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds....

This is what i was trying to say....

[summer]

So did i! :lol:

:lol: Thanks! I hope in a GOOD way though. :mello: :lol: :lol:



http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7704/mikeolivia2.jpg
:lol: ok mikey u look wayyy to tired...need a bed??


Actually I think he looks totally "pimp" on that one! :lol: You know like: "Oh yeah she definately digs me...she TOTALLY digs me...I'm THE MAN y'all...I'm the man!!" :punk::lol: :lol:

[8701girl]

:lol: Thanks! I hope in a GOOD way though. :mello: :lol: :lol:



Actually I think he looks totally "pimp" on that one! :lol: You know like: "Oh yeah she definately digs me...she TOTALLY digs me...I'm THE MAN y'all...I'm the man!!" :punk::lol: :lol:


Yes it was in a good way. Hahahah yep mike did love to go gangsta..even if he thought no one noticed...but guess what mikey WE DID!!!

[tha]

Actually I think he looks totally "pimp" on that one! :lol: You know like: "Oh yeah she definately digs me...she TOTALLY digs me...I'm THE MAN y'all...I'm the man!!" :punk::lol: :lol:

:lmao:

[summer]

And did you guys notice he is wearing a shirt with a heart on it and that says "love" (amour) on it. And then in 2009 he wears a t-shirt with a heart on it....only the heart has a chain around it with a lock. :lol: Hmmm....:scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[8701girl]

And did you guys notice he is wearing a shirt with a heart on it and that says "love" (amour) on it. And then in 2009 he wears a t-shirt with a heart on it....only the heart has a chain around it with a lock. :lol: Hmmm....:scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mmmm someone was trying to out do himself! :lol:

[Lainy]

Suspended in Time

OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN:

A child and a fool in one
So sure I could need no one
My heart always on the run to nowhere
Now as you're holding me
My heart is reminding me
That now I could never be without you

But how can our love succeed
A miracle is what we need
And so I appeal to you
To keep me suspended in time with you
Don't let this moment die
I get a feeling when I'm with you
None of the rules apply
But I know for certain
Goodbye is a crime
So love if you need me
Suspend me in time

Wasted the time away
Holding our love at bay
Now I can't last a day without you
Your smile is a thrill to see
Eyes hold me tenderly
They'll shine in my memory forever

But how can our love succeed
A miracle is what we need
And so I appeal to you
To keep me suspended in time with you
Don't let this moment die
I get a feeling when I'm with you
None of the rules apply
But I know for certain
Goodbye is a crime
So love if you need me
Suspend me in time
In time

:wild:

This lyrics sooooooooo romantic! :wub::wub:

Tha thanks for the pics!! Olivia is a beautiful woman!!

[Lainy]

And did you guys notice he is wearing a shirt with a heart on it and that says "love" (amour) on it. And then in 2009 he wears a t-shirt with a heart on it....only the heart has a chain around it with a lock. :lol: Hmmm....:scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:

hum... :scratch:

will that... :bugeyed
?

:lol::lol:

[tha]

And did you guys notice he is wearing a shirt with a heart on it and that says "love" (amour) on it. And then in 2009 he wears a t-shirt with a heart on it....only the heart has a chain around it with a lock. :lol: Hmmm....:scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah! When I saw this pic, I remembered this shirt with a locked heart:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4627/michaelshirtchristianau.jpg

[MysteriousPhoenix]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1030/mikeolivia3.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1030/mikeolivia3.jpg)

:wild::wild::wild:




Actually I think he looks totally "pimp" on that one! :lol: You know like: "Oh yeah she definately digs me...she TOTALLY digs me...I'm THE MAN y'all...I'm the man!!" :punk::lol: :lol:

Ha! Ha! That's what I was gonna say. I thought it looked like he was falling a little in love with her there.:lol: Well, I can't say I can blame him. She is a cute woman. I think I would too if I were a guy! At least he's got good taste. lol!




My bed? :rolleyes2: :lol:


Nope my bed..... i wish!

:o:mat::shock2:

[tha]

:o:mat::shock2:

So....your bed?! :rolleyes2: :lmao:

[Lainy]

Ha! Ha! That's what I was gonna say. I thought it looked like he was falling a little in love with her there.:lol: Well, I can't say I can blame him. She is a cute woman. I think I would too if I were a guy! At least he's got good taste. lol!

Awwwwww!! :wub::wub:

It was so cute!!!

Ok, I confess... I'm very romantic lately :(

[MysteriousPhoenix]

So....your bed?! :rolleyes2: :lmao:
:blushing::blushing::blushing::ph34r:

[summer]

So....your bed?! :rolleyes2: :lmao:


:blushing::blushing::blushing::ph34r:

You guys are too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: Don't make me write a parody about you guys fighting about WHO'S BED! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: *singing* "Your BED is MINE....gonna tell you right!!"...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: "'Cause he's in my bed...MY BED...you know it...YOU KNOW....and the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again...WHO'S BED!!!" :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: And yeah I meant one of YOUR beds...not mine. :lol: Thank you very much! :lol: (Even though I am guilty of having had MJ sheets in my bed when I was about 14 years old...because I thought it was SO COOL to have MJ sheets. And then my mom kept putting them in my bed EVERY SINGLE TIME I came home for the summer from the uni...and as soon as I got in the house she was like "MJ's waiting for you!!!!" :kickass: and I'd be like "MOM!!!!!!!!" :smilerolleyes: :doh: :doh: :doh: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tha]

You guys are too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: Don't make me write a parody about you guys fighting about WHO'S BED! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: *singing* "Your BED is MINE....gonna tell you right!!"...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


:lol: :lmao: You are funny! :lol: Now I want to see the parody! Do it, please?! :D :hysterical:

[Lainy]

You guys are too funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: Don't make me write a parody about you guys fighting about WHO'S BED! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: *singing* "Your BED is MINE....gonna tell you right!!"...:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: "'Cause he's in my bed...MY BED...you know it...YOU KNOW....and the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again...WHO'S BED!!!" :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Oh GOD!!! What creative girl! :lmao:

Now I laughed out loud! WHO'S BED!!! :lmao: :hysterical:

*singing* lol

:rogerfriedman:

[summer]

:lol: :lmao: You are funny! :lol: Now I want to see the parody! Do it, please?! :D :hysterical:

:lol: Thanks! :lol: Nah, I don't feel "inspired" enough....I haven't written any parodies since the trial. :( I used to do tons...I think I've done at least one to every single MJ song....(Heaven Can Wait = I Put On Wait...Break Of Dawn = 1.Mow The Lawn/ 2.Not Alone (that one was for MJ)...Bad=Bed (about having Tonsillitis...:lol:)..Billie Jean=Jelly Beans...Beat It= Shave It...etc. etc. etc. :lol:). I just "lost inspiration" during the trial. Was too sad, I guess. I had ideas, but didn't have the "inspiration" to finish them. I wanted to do one to Morphine once about MJ being GORGEOUS and call it "Gorgeous"...but same thing. .just "didn't feel like writing". :unsure: Just "lost the fire" during the trial I guess. It made me too sad to see what they did to MJ and I just haven't been able to do them after that. :no:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

:lol: (Even though I am guilty of having had MJ sheets in my bed when I was about 14 years old...because I thought it was SO COOL to have MJ sheets. And then my mom kept putting them in my bed EVERY SINGLE TIME I came home for the summer from the uni...and as soon as I got in the house she was like "MJ's waiting for you!!!!" :kickass: and I'd be like "MOM!!!!!!!!" :smilerolleyes: :doh: :doh: :doh: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gee ... and all I had was a poster.:worried:

[tha]

:lol: Thanks! :lol: Nah, I don't feel "inspired" enough....I haven't written any parodies since the trial. :( I used to do tons...I think I've done at least one to every single MJ song....(Heaven Can Wait = I Put On Wait...Break Of Dawn = 1.Mow The Lawn/ 2.Not Alone (that one was for MJ)...Bad=Bed (about having Tonsillitis...:lol:)..Billie Jean=Jelly Beans...Beat It= Shave It...etc. etc. etc. :lol:). I just "lost inspiration" during the trial. Was too sad, I guess. I had ideas, but didn't have the "inspiration" to finish them. I wanted to do one to Morphine once about MJ being GORGEOUS and call it "Gorgeous"...but same thing. .just "didn't feel like writing". :unsure: Just "lost the fire" during the trial I guess. It made me too sad to see what they did to MJ and I just haven't been able to do them after that. :no:

Own....I understand! The trial was so tiring, but....it's over and our Angel is free to fly again! :wub:
I morally support you for continuing the parody! Is blessing when we can make people laugh! :yes:

[summer]

Gee ... and all I had was a poster.:worried:

If I'm really evil I'll tell you I actually have TWO sets of different kinds of MJ bed sheets. :lol:One set is unused. :lol: I bought one set when I was 14 and the other one I got for Christmas from the aunt of the boy whose nanny I was back then (she bought me TONS of MJ stuff...it was so funny! The boy's mom pretended she wanted to read MJ's Dancing The Dream book and asked if she can borrow it...and I of course happily agreed! And then a couple of weeks later I got these PJ's from the aunt for my birthday...that had pics of MJ printed on them...pics they got from the Dancing The Dream book. So sneaky, but I LOVED it! :lol: :lol: I always wanted to BOW DOWN (you know "Wayne's World style..."I'm not worthy....I'm not worthy"...:lmao: :lmao:) on that aunt for all the MJ stuff because I always thought I could never thank her ENOUGH for it all with words! :lol: :lol:) Anyways, so one Christmas she gave me these MJ sheets. I have NO IDEA where she always got all that stuff. Anyways...I've never used those ones...but they are still in my closet. :lol: I gave the other ones to my niece because she one day told me all excited how a friend of hers had said there are MJ sheets and I was like "Yeah I have them"...and she almost FAINTED. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: So I told her she can have them and she was like "OMG!! OMG!! OMG!! I am gonna faint!! I AM GONNA FAINT!!" :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: I was laughing SO HARD because she was SO EXCITED!! She was like :woohoo: :woohoo: :stretcher :stretcher :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:!!! Too funny! :lol: :lol:

[Lainy]

owww,
This that the Tha said is truth, Summer!
Do not cling to the past, especially if it has unpleasant things! I think Mickael not would like to see you sad ... although I understand your pain, I advise you to continue your parodies! I love to laugh and believe that I will laugh a lot with them!

[tha]

owww,
This that the Tha said is truth, Summer!
Do not cling to the past, especially if it has unpleasant things! I think Mickael not would like to see you sad ... although I understand your pain, I advise you to continue your parodies! I love to laugh and believe that I will laugh a lot with them!

:clapping: :yes:

[Lainy]

To have a excelent night! :wub::wub:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5061/perfeitod.jpg

IMPOSSIBLE TO RESIST!! :wub::wub:

[summer]

To have a excelent night! :wub::wub:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5061/perfeitod.jpg

IMPOSSIBLE TO RESIST!! :wub::wub:

Aaaaw man!! :wub::wub::wub:

:stretcher :stretcher :stretcher :stretcher :stretcher

[tha]

To have a excelent night! :wub::wub:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5061/perfeitod.jpg

IMPOSSIBLE TO RESIST!! :wub::wub:

Holy Mother of saint bubble gum and Sister band-aid knees
Won't you please pray for the ones like me!!!

Mamma Mia!!!! What a beautiful man! :wub:

[summer]

Holy Mother of saint bubble gum and Sister band-aid knees
Won't you please pray for the ones like me!!!

Mamma Mia!!!! What a beautiful man! :wub:

WHAT??????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tha]

WHAT??????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The Saint of desperates women! :lol: Is part of Bon Jovi's song "I Got The Girl"! ;)

[Lainy]

Tell me please... Do you resist?
This shyness him, lets him, so... so ... sexy and gorgeous! :wub:
Sorry Michael... I'm not so but ... Don't have who resist! :D

[tha]

Tell me please... Do you resist?
This shyness him, lets him, so... so ... sexy and gorgeous! :wub:
Sorry Michael... I'm not so but ... Don't have who resist! :D

Control yourself or he will die of shame! :lol:

I know he is impossible to resist! :wub:

[wendy2004]

By the way something funny just hit me. :lol: :lol: Made me laugh out loud. :lol: Did you watch the Oprah interview and hear how Kenny said that Michael called him and said "We need fireflies! Fireflies, Kenny!". :lol: :lol: What did he need fireflies for? Because they...."glow in the dark"? :wild: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

Sorry..I had to! :toofunny:


Meh... it's late, I'm wide awake, bored and lurking so I guess I'll take a crack at this one cuz it won't require a lot of typing on my part. I'm a lazy insomniac. haha

Maybe he needed fireflies becuz it's the closest thing a Pan can get to fairies (Tinkerbell) in the real world? :) Didn't he say something about the shows being an adventure of some sort? Can't remember the direct wording of it right now. But it's a familiar line/idea from a very popular story.


Okay, I'm going back to reading and lurking now ... :P:

[SoS]

This is a random thing about what I said concerning my dad growing older and wiser "but back then" - I really mean he's grown calmer and more patient, but back then, he did not comprehend how someone could sit in front of a television and watch anything over and over again, in his behalf, just wanted to say, I was angry just because it was MJ and Diana I'd been watching (two of my "favorite things" since childhood), some know the experience of which I speak...anyway, love my dad and wanted to give him a little more there, not have him be completely misunderstood by my first comment, by chance ...that's all. Oh and he called me up in the early 2000s and apologized for being like that back then too. Yep. Sure did. Thanks for reading.

Summer that was some funny stuff!! Had me laughing out loud..lol.. you're so funny

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

FIRST I gotta LOL Hahahaha because Summer is trrrrrippin'!!! She is TOO funny!!! Awwww man!!!
:lol: :lol:


Aww omg! wow first it was the number 7, now 12 seems to have a mystery bout it..
Oh very much so!! :yes:

The number twelve was very significant in the final years of Michael's life. It still is even now.

To show you all again...the time of the 12:21 p.m. 911 call aligns with these verses of the Bible.

Revelations 21:12-21.

12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates.
13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west.
14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.
17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.
19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2129257&highlight=twelve#post2129257


********************

In addition to this, when Michael launched his website MJJSource back during the trial, the first words that he had appear on our computer screens were "The Power Is In Believing."

These words are from his song titled, "Keep The Faith" which just happens to be track #12 on his "Dangerous" album.

In his song "Keep The Faith" he sings a line that says, "Just keep your eyes on the prize."

Not only does this line lead to the Bible, as did many other lines on Michael's "Dangerous" album, but it also makes sense as to why in Moddie777's dream she heard an announcer say "And the winner is Michael Jackson!"

Philippians 3:14
I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me Heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Michael made it! That's what Moddie777's dream is telling us. He won the prize! Heaven is the prize!

No matter what anyone took him through, he kept his faith in God and all of God's promises. He was a very sweet and spiritual person and he did not allow anyone to change this about him.

Signs of just how spiritual he was are still springing up left and right, and it is going to continue on for a while.

This servant of the Lord was working very hard and he had started very early in life. The loving things he put in place are still in place. The things he said are still coming forth.

He was the real deal. He wasn't pretending to be spiritual. He truly was.

He said, "Lies run sprints...Truth runs marathons" and he was not kidding.

Everything he did from being the real deal is continuing on as we speak. Everything that he attached his heart and soul to is still living in his stead. Everything that he put his passion into, we are still feeling. And every word that he wanted heard we are still listening to.

That's what happens when a man of true honor walks the earth. He was just passing through, as we all are, but he clearly left his mark. It is strong and it is positive.

GOSH I love me some Michael Jackson! He is so COOL! Looking forward to seeing "This Is It" in cinema! :D

Hope to see him one day down the road in the city of gold cheesin' and showing his pretty pearly whites as always!

Now about these love songs that he was releasing back to back before he left and the things that he was saying in them...

He said what he wanted to say. He recorded what he wanted heard. Should some of us continue to try to override his words? Of course not. What's the point?

Interviewer: Describe the performance that you put on.

Michael: What I do?

Interviewer: Yes.

Michael: Most of my songs are fast.

Interviewer: I mean, what do you put into it?

Michael: Well, whatever I sing, that's what I really mean. Like I'm singing a song, I don't sing it if I don't mean it.

Before Michael left was he singing about being in love? Yes, he was, and for a thread such as this, the words to "This Is It" fits. We had no idea this would happen. It just happened.

Was Michael planning to fall in love? Maybe not, maybe so. But, falling in love is not something that can be planned anyway. If it could, everyone would probably try to set a schedule, right?

Fortunately, Michael fell in love just in time. What if he didn't?

Verse from "Keep The Faith"

I know that keepin' the faith
Means never givin' up on love
But the power that love has
Has to make it right
Makes it
Makes it right

Hmmm, should we say this verse was a coincidence? The words, "The Power Is In Believing" that he had on MJJSource led right to his song "Keep The Faith" and every word of this song fell in place with what he was doing in his life at the time that he launched his website.

[wendy2004]

Yeah! When I saw this pic, I remembered this shirt with a locked heart:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4627/michaelshirtchristianau.jpg


Yeah, that was a very interesting shirt. ^^ :) There's a couple of interpretations that could be made about that one. Positive and/or negative...depending on ones perspective? I think he wore that sometime in May, right after that big meeting with his father, AEG and Allgood. That was an interesting week if I remember correctly. Lots of really good and fun pics almost daily or every other day.

Full view of shirt by Paco Chicano (a brand associated with Christian Audigier)

Front:
http://shop.edhardy.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_475.jpg
back
http://shop.edhardy.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_476.jpg

[SoS]

Summer, you -are- hilarious! Silly girl. Your story, also, about the cute doctor and all these checks you had going...it was lookin' so good, ..and then you find out he has a girlfriend and had to uncheck all those boxes! AAAWW! :( (but you worded it so humorously, I had to laugh)



I'm glad your dad is more patient and you've had a chance to work that one thing through. :) I personally love to watch the same thing over and over again, so I can understand your perspective. Not that I'm saying anything against your dad's view, for I wouldn't want to be accused of judging him, or anyone.
yes, and while I'm not sure what u mean by 'that one thing' (it was the always the only source of consternation for me, although it had its 'degrees' to which it could be carried and sometimes it was off the Rhichter scale, yes he was a bit like an earth quake at times) you're not the only one who is glad. I could tell some stories that could make Joe Jackson look like Ward Cleaver, to me anyway, although he had/has his "Ward Cleaver" side too - he's mostly "Ward" actually, in personality type, especially now that he's older.

I'm just glad God made us in His image although its not always easy to remember that's what we all are, even our parents lol flawed humans though they are, just like us.

Random song dedication to MJ and the DMJFLITD crew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BFrtcH3OJg

[8701girl]

Oh very much so!! :yes:

The number twelve was very significant in the final years of Michael's life. It still is even now.

To show you all again...the time of the 12:21 p.m. 911 call aligns with these verses of the Bible.

Revelations 21:12-21.

12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates.
13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west.
14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.
17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.
19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2129257&highlight=twelve#post2129257


********************

In addition to this, when Michael launched his website MJJSource back during the trial, the first words that he had appear on our computer screens were "The Power Is In Believing."

These words are from his song titled, "Keep The Faith" which just happens to be track #12 on his "Dangerous" album.

In his song "Keep The Faith" he sings a line that says, "Just keep your eyes on the prize."

Not only does this line lead to the Bible, as did many other lines on Michael's "Dangerous" album, but it also makes sense as to why in Moddie777's dream she heard an announcer say "And the winner is Michael Jackson!"

Philippians 3:14
I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me Heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Michael made it! That's what Moddie777's dream is telling us. He won the prize! Heaven is the prize!

No matter what anyone took him through, he kept his faith in God and all of God's promises. He was a very sweet and spiritual person and he did not allow anyone to change this about him.

Signs of just how spiritual he was are still springing up left and right, and it is going to continue on for a while.

This servant of the Lord was working very hard and he had started very early in life. The loving things he put in place are still in place. The things he said are still coming forth.

He was the real deal. He wasn't pretending to be spiritual. He truly was.

He said, "Lies run sprints...Truth runs marathons" and he was not kidding.

Everything he did from being the real deal is continuing on as we speak. Everything that he attached his heart and soul to is still living in his stead. Everything that he put his passion into, we are still feeling. And every word that he wanted heard we are still listening to.

That's what happens when a man of true honor walks the earth. He was just passing through, as we all are, but he clearly left his mark. It is strong and it is positive.

GOSH I love me some Michael Jackson! He is so COOL! Looking forward to seeing "This Is It" in cinema! :D

Hope to see him one day down the road in the city of gold cheesin' and showing his pretty pearly whites as always!

Now about these love songs that he was releasing back to back before he left and the things that he was saying in them...

He said what he wanted to say. He recorded what he wanted heard. Should some of us continue to try to override his words? Of course not. What's the point?

Interviewer: Describe the performance that you put on.

Michael: What I do?

Interviewer: Yes.

Michael: Most of my songs are fast.

Interviewer: I mean, what do you put into it?

Michael: Well, whatever I sing, that's what I really mean. Like I'm singing a song, I don't sing it if I don't mean it.

Before Michael left was he singing about being in love? Yes, he was, and for a thread such as this, the words to "This Is It" fits. We had no idea this would happen. It just happened.

Was Michael planning to fall in love? Maybe not, maybe so. But, falling in love is not something that can be planned anyway. If it could, everyone would probably try to set a schedule, right?

Fortunately, Michael fell in love just in time. What if he didn't?

Verse from "Keep The Faith"

I know that keepin' the faith
Means never givin' up on love
But the power that love has
Has to make it right
Makes it
Makes it right

Hmmm, should we say this verse was a coincidence? The words, "The Power Is In Believing" that he had on MJJSource led right to his song "Keep The Faith" and every word of this song fell in place with what he was doing in his life at the time that he launched his website.

I wonder if there is 12 steps 2 get 2 heaven?? like maybe step 1: forgiving evertything & everyone that hurt u in the living life etc etc...I just have 2 say ''keep the faith'' is one of my fave songs on the dangerous album, it has a very special meaning to me.It definately helped me through the bad times in my childhood,it was a song that was saying ''dont give up!''

[AllForMJ]

I wonder if there is 12 steps 2 get 2 heaven?? like maybe step 1: forgiving evertything & everyone that hurt u in the living life etc etc...I just have 2 say ''keep the faith'' is one of my fave songs on the dangerous album, it has a very special meaning to me.It definately helped me through the bad times in my childhood,it was a song that was saying ''dont give up!''
Yes, you can't give up on anything that matters...anything of true substance! If you give up on the things in life that matters, what else will there be to live for?

2 Thessalonians 1:11
So we keep on praying for you, asking our God to enable you to live a life worthy of His call. May he give you the power to accomplish all the good things your faith prompts you to do.

Michael put forth every bit of strength that he had in him to turn his life back around. He was not going to continue letting his life be what it had become. Evan Chandler threw Michael's life into total disarray. Before Michael's path crossed with Evan's, there was never anything about Michael's life for him to be ashamed of. He only had things to be proud of.

I just wish that someone would do the right thing and step up to the plate and put Evan Chandler behind bars for extortion. Evan is the reason that Michael left sooner than expected. Evan is the reason why Sneddon was still after Michael and trampling Michael's home, and Evan should not be allowed to be free.

Look at what Michael was doing back in the early 1990's. We can see what he was doing just by listening to his "Dangerous" album. He was singing verses of the Bible to the world, and he was also trying to hold on to a woman that he was deeply in love with during that time of his life. That is what he was doing, and none of it matches what Evan said about him.

[Sdeidjs]

Holy Mother of saint bubble gum and Sister band-aid knees
Won't you please pray for the ones like me!!!

Mamma Mia!!!! What a beautiful man! :wub:

:punk:Way too cute~~~

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

FIRST I gotta LOL Hahahaha because Summer is trrrrrippin'!!! She is TOO funny!!! Awwww man!!!
:lol: :lol:


Oh very much so!! :yes:

The number twelve was very significant in the final years of Michael's life. It still is even now.

To show you all again...the time of the 12:21 p.m. 911 call aligns with these verses of the Bible.

Revelations 21:12-21.

12 The city wall was broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels. And the names of the twelve tribes of Israel were written on the gates.
13 There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west.
14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked to me held in his hand a gold measuring stick to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
16 When he measured it, he found it was a square, as wide as it was long. In fact, its length and width and height were each 1,400 miles.
17 Then he measured the walls and found them to be 216 feet thick (according to the human standard used by the angel).
18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass.
19 The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve precious stones:the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald,
20 the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2129257&highlight=twelve#post2129257


********************

In addition to this, when Michael launched his website MJJSource back during the trial, the first words that he had appear on our computer screens were "The Power Is In Believing."

These words are from his song titled, "Keep The Faith" which just happens to be track #12 on his "Dangerous" album.

In his song "Keep The Faith" he sings a line that says, "Just keep your eyes on the prize."

Not only does this line lead to the Bible, as did many other lines on Michael's "Dangerous" album, but it also makes sense as to why in Moddie777's dream she heard an announcer say "And the winner is Michael Jackson!"

Philippians 3:14
I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me Heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Michael made it! That's what Moddie777's dream is telling us. He won the prize! Heaven is the prize!


No matter what anyone took him through, he kept his faith in God and all of God's promises. He was a very sweet and spiritual person and he did not allow anyone to change this about him.

Signs of just how spiritual he was are still springing up left and right, and it is going to continue on for a while.


This servant of the Lord was working very hard and he had started very early in life. The loving things he put in place are still in place. The things he said are still coming forth.


He was the real deal. He wasn't pretending to be spiritual. He truly was.

He said, "Lies run sprints...Truth runs marathons" and he was not kidding.


Everything he did from being the real deal is continuing on as we speak. Everything that he attached his heart and soul to is still living in his stead. Everything that he put his passion into, we are still feeling. And every word that he wanted heard we are still listening to.


That's what happens when a man of true honor walks the earth. He was just passing through, as we all are, but he clearly left his mark. It is strong and it is positive.

GOSH I love me some Michael Jackson! He is so COOL! Looking forward to seeing "This Is It" in cinema! :D

Hope to see him one day down the road in the city of gold cheesin' and showing his pretty pearly whites as always!

Now about these love songs that he was releasing back to back before he left and the things that he was saying in them...


He said what he wanted to say. He recorded what he wanted heard. Should some of us continue to try to override his words? Of course not. What's the point?

Interviewer: Describe the performance that you put on.

Michael: What I do?

Interviewer: Yes.

Michael: Most of my songs are fast.

Interviewer: I mean, what do you put into it?


Michael: Well, whatever I sing, that's what I really mean. Like I'm singing a song, I don't sing it if I don't mean it.

Before Michael left was
he singing about being in love? Yes, he was, and for a thread such as this, the words to "This Is It" fits. We had no idea this would happen. It just happened.

Was Michael planning to fall in love? Maybe not, maybe so. But,
falling in love is not something that can be planned anyway. If it could, everyone would probably try to set a schedule, right?

Fortunately,
Michael fell in love just in time. What if he didn't?

Verse from "Keep The Faith"

I know that keepin' the faith
Means never givin' up on love
But the power that love has
Has to make it right
Makes it
Makes it right

Hmmm, should we say this verse was a coincidence? The words,
"The Power Is In Believing" that he had on MJJSource led right to his song "Keep The Faith" and every word of this song fell in place with what he was doing in his life at the time that he launched his website.

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Yeah, that was a very interesting shirt. ^^ :) There's a couple of interpretations that could be made about that one. Positive and/or negative...depending on ones perspective? I think he wore that sometime in May, right after that big meeting with his father, AEG and Allgood. That was an interesting week if I remember correctly. Lots of really good and fun pics almost daily or every other day.


Full view of shirt by Paco Chicano (a brand associated with Christian Audigier)

Front:
http://shop.edhardy.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_475.jpg
back
http://shop.edhardy.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/i/file_476.jpg

In my opinion...this video fits perfectly into this post...

Not that I care for the context of this video...but...LOVE the composition...Lyrically, melody...and over all musically..!

Check It Out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OwOSfwk1M

:punk:Smiles~~~

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Yes, you can't give up on anything that matters...anything of true substance! If you give up on the things in life that matters, what else will there be to live for?

2 Thessalonians 1:11
So we keep on praying for you, asking our God to enable you to live a life worthy of His call. May he give you the power to accomplish all the good things your faith prompts you to do.

Michael put forth every bit of strength that he had in him to turn his life back around. He was not going to continue letting his life be what it had become.
Evan Chandler threw Michael's life into total disarray. Before Michael's path crossed with Evan's, there was never anything about Michael's life for him to be ashamed of. He only had things to be proud of.

I just wish that
someone would do the right thing and step up to the plate and put Evan Chandler behind bars for extortion. Evan is the reason that Michael left sooner than expected. Evan is the reason why Sneddon was still after Michael and trampling Michael's home, and Evan should not be allowed to be free.

Look at what Michael was doing back in the early 1990's. We can see what he was doing just by listening to his "Dangerous" album.
He was singing verses of the Bible to the world , and he was also trying to hold on to
a woman that he was deeply in love with during that time of his life. That is what he was doing, and
none of it matches what Evan said about him.

Giggles...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92TvK5tc40w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyCMRvSuvM

:punk:Psalm 37

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

There is a symbolic meaning for the "firefly". Not sure if that's why MJ wanted them but here goes.....:)


The symbolic meaning of the firefly of course deals with light, illumination and the like. Although an important focus, the issue of light is not the high feature behind the symbolic meaning of the firefly. Rather, it is the messages this wonderous creature gives us while her light is off may be most profound to our growth.

Here is a summary list of symbolic meaning of the firefly: Inspiration; Illumination; Patience; Attraction; Energy; Hope; Aspiration; Guidance; Efficiency; Creativity; New Ideas; Awakening

An ordinary looking creature during the day, admittedly, the firefly is a remarkable sight when it glows at night. This is a symbolic message to us humans that although our physical appearance may seem one way - it is our internal makings - what is inside us (such as our spirit) that makes us shine from the inside out. That which is within us will always illuminate us and those around us.

The firefly primarily uses its light in mating ceremonies, and it is quite elaborate an intricate. Light signals are precise and exactly timed in order to attract the right mate. This is a symbolic message that if we are to attract the people, places and things in our lives, we must plan accordingly, lay down the groundwork, and be persistent in our ideals.

It is interesting to note that the firefly does not produce heat in order to create her light. This is a message that we must not burn our candles at both ends. Creativity and development is suppose to be a free, natural, and easy-going process - there is no need for us to "burn-out" in order to reach our goals.

In addition to using no heat to produce her light, the fact that fireflies eat very little is another symbolic meaning of economy or efficiency. Adult fireflies use their environment to the most effective extent possible in order to gain their energy. This is a lesson for us to use the resources we have available to us, and not waste or consume to excess.

When fireflies come into our lives they are there to guide us to ways of living that are more earth-friendly, and soul-friendly. Fireflies teach us the value of living simply, and relying on our own inner voices for illumination. Fireflies also come to us with a message of creativity, and remind us that our paths are made lighter by the beauty that we allow into our lives.

[SoS]

Here's the extended orchestra version of This Is It. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0hGTn9zIk

I can picture after about 4:20 to the end, all lights are off, the entire theatre is black then we begin seeing the fireflies ... gradually tho....first one then two then ten then hundreds jmown random thought ... the music is completely amazing.

[No-Body]

This thread is amazing, you learn new things everyday. Thx Lily for the nice firefly explanation, had no idea.


Going into Sdeidjs' experience from the other day, I would also like to post something I received recently which I think you will like. It is a little story about love and madness, or better put, lunacy. I can't take credit for anything other than a mere translation and the editing.


It is said that long ago a few human feelings and qualities met. While Boredom kept grumbling, Lunacy proposed: let’s all play hide and seek.

Intrigue acted surprised and Curiosity, without abstaining asked: hide and seek? And what is that? “It’s a game where I cover my face and start counting from one to one million while you hide. When I am done counting, I’ll start to look for you”, explains Lunacy. Enthusiasm was dancing of joy and Happiness was bouncing because it had managed to convince Doubt and even Indifference, the one who took no interest in anything.

But not all wanted to participate. Truth would rather not hide. Why? Because they always found it in the end. Pride considered the game silly. After all, it wasn't its idea. And Cowardice would rather not risk.

Lunacy started to count. The first that hid was Idleness, which, as it always did, lounged on the nearest stone it found. Envy hid behind Triumph that by its own strength managed to climb the highest trees.

Generosity almost couldn’t hide. Each spot seemed wonderful for each of its friends: the crystal clear lake for Beauty, the crown of a tree seemed perfect for Timidity, a gust of wind seemed magnificent for Freedom. In the end, after it had thought of all, Generosity hid in a ray of sunlight. In turn, Selfishness found a very good spot from the beginning. It was fresh, comfortable, only for it. Lie hid behind the rainbow and Passion and Desire among the volcanoes.

While Lunacy was almost done with counting, LOVE had yet to find a place to hide for they were all taken. Eventually it saw a bush of roses and decided to hide among the flowers.

“One million!”, said Lunacy and began its search. The first that came up was Idleness, only two steps away. Passion and Desire were felt in the vibration of the volcanoes. By chance it found Envy and immediatly after Triumph as well.Lunacy didn’t have to look for Selfishness cause it appeared by itself. Its hiding place was actually a nest of wasps.

All the searching made Lunacy thirsty and getting near to the lake, it discovered Beauty. It was even easier to find Doubt. It just sat and couldn't decide where to hide. And so it found all: Talent in the crude grass, Apprehension in a dark cave, Lie behind the rainbow. And it even found Oblivion, which had forgotten that it was playing hide and seek.

Only LOVE was nowhere to be found. Lunacy searched every tree, every stream, every mountain top. And when it was about to give up, saw the rose bush. It took a stick and starting to move the branches. Instantly, a shout was heard. The thorns had hurt LOVE's eyes. Lunacy no longer knew what to do to apologize. It cried, prayed, begged and asked forgiveness and promised to always stay together.

Ever since then LOVE is blind and Lunacy is always near it.
That is why it is said that „to love is lunacy, but, at least, love lunatically”.


I must confess that I never heard that saying. I thought the story (most probably inspired by Greek mythology) was quite nice. I do have to wonder though - how come the author forgot HOPE? Didn't it fit in there?

I was just about to post when I saw the link SoS so graciously provided. MAGNIFICENT, truly amazing. Simply mesmerizing. Oh my, the album cannot arrive soon enough, Amazon said they had shipped it. Beautiful, beautiful stuff there.

[Lily]

Thank you for posting that SoS.:)

I just closed my eyes, listened and visualized something so beautiful. :girl_sigh:

[tha]

Is there anyone still here in this thread?! :unsure:

Or just Mike and me?! :rolleyes2:

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9349/65342451287057197422057.jpg

:wub: :wub: :wub:

[8701girl]

Yes, you can't give up on anything that matters...anything of true substance! If you give up on the things in life that matters, what else will there be to live for?

2 Thessalonians 1:11
So we keep on praying for you, asking our God to enable you to live a life worthy of His call. May he give you the power to accomplish all the good things your faith prompts you to do.

Michael put forth every bit of strength that he had in him to turn his life back around. He was not going to continue letting his life be what it had become. Evan Chandler threw Michael's life into total disarray. Before Michael's path crossed with Evan's, there was never anything about Michael's life for him to be ashamed of. He only had things to be proud of.

I just wish that someone would do the right thing and step up to the plate and put Evan Chandler behind bars for extortion. Evan is the reason that Michael left sooner than expected. Evan is the reason why Sneddon was still after Michael and trampling Michael's home, and Evan should not be allowed to be free.

Look at what Michael was doing back in the early 1990's. We can see what he was doing just by listening to his "Dangerous" album. He was singing verses of the Bible to the world, and he was also trying to hold on to a woman that he was deeply in love with during that time of his life. That is what he was doing, and none of it matches what Evan said about him.



I wish the was a time machine so we all could go bck to b4 mike met the chandlers and warn him bout them. I feel with the dangerous album mike was kinda saying " thiller wasnt it..that there was yet the best & more to come". Mike felt like he was on top of the world,but when ppl get to that point they easily tend to be unaware of fake ppl and dangerous surrondings that surrond them. Michael was a giver and he was proud of it, but the thing is when u give too much sometimes you get taken advantage of & burned.

[tha]

I wish the was a time machine so we all could go bck to b4 mike met the chandlers and warn him bout them. I feel with the dangerous album mike was kinda saying " thiller wasnt it..that there was yet the best & more to come". Mike felt like he was on top of the world,but when ppl get to that point they easily tend to be unaware of fake ppl and dangerous surrondings that surrond them. Michael was a giver and he was proud of it, but the thing is when u give too much sometimes you get taken advantage of & burned.

You're right! :closedeyes:

[8701girl]

You're right! :closedeyes:

Thanx!

[Sdeidjs]

There's a site I visit sometimes when I need to interpret symbols in my dreams or everyday life, it's fascinating to read if anyone is interested. http://www.whats-your-sign.com/signs.html

Anyway,
there is a symbolic meaning for the "firefly". Not sure if that's
why MJ wanted them but here goes.....:)



The symbolic meaning of the firefly of course deals with light, illumination and the like. Although an important focus, the issue of light is not the high feature behind the symbolic meaning of the firefly. Rather, it is the messages this wonderous creature gives us while her light is off may be most profound to our growth.

Here is a summary list of symbolic meaning of the firefly: Inspiration; Illumination; Patience; Attraction; Energy; Hope; Aspiration; Guidance; Efficiency; Creativity; New Ideas; Awakening

An ordinary looking creature during the day, admittedly, the firefly is a remarkable sight when it glows at night. This is a symbolic message to us humans that although our physical appearance may seem one way - it is our internal makings - what is inside us (such as our spirit) that makes us shine from the inside out. That which is within us will always illuminate us and those around us.

The firefly primarily uses its light in mating ceremonies, and it is quite elaborate an intricate. Light signals are precise and exactly timed in order to attract the right mate. This is a symbolic message that if we are to attract the people, places and things in our lives, we must plan accordingly, lay down the groundwork, and be persistent in our ideals.

It is interesting to note that the firefly does not produce heat in order to create her light. This is a message that we must not burn our candles at both ends. Creativity and development is suppose to be a free, natural, and easy-going process - there is no need for us to "burn-out" in order to reach our goals.

In addition to using no heat to produce her light, the fact that fireflies eat very little is another symbolic meaning of economy or efficiency. Adult fireflies use their environment to the most effective extent possible in order to gain their energy. This is a lesson for us to use the resources we have available to us, and not waste or consume to excess.

When fireflies come into our lives they are there to guide us to ways of living that are more earth-friendly, and soul-friendly. Fireflies teach us the value of living simply, and relying on our own inner voices for illumination. Fireflies also come to us with a message of creativity, and remind us that our paths are made lighter by the beauty that we allow into our lives.


:punk:Simply Absolutely Breathtaking~~~

:angel:Keep Healing To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

I wish the was a time machine so we all could go bck to b4 mike met the chandlers and warn him bout them. I feel with the dangerous album mike was kinda saying " thiller wasnt it..that there was yet the best & more to come". Mike felt like he was on top of the world,but when ppl get to that point they easily tend to be
unaware of fake
ppl and dangerous surrondings that surrond them.
Michael was a giver and he was proud of it, but the thing is when u give too much sometimes you get taken advantage of & burned.

By experience, "trust me" it does not matter if one was in the position that Mr.Jackson was/is...When one (s) have a pure, giving heart the evil ones of the world tend to "take advantage" of such kind, loving human beings. We tend to look at the good in everyone, and believe in others that we know or would think they would not stab us in the back.

People who lie, cheat, that self absorbed, and self serving etc. ect. have to look at that man in the mirror every day...and eventually...meet their maker at some point..!

Therefore, I believe in...

KARMA: Every time a person acts there is some quality of intention at the base of the mind and it is that quality rather than the outward appearance of the action that determines the effect. If a person professes piety and virtue but nonetheless acts with greed, anger or hatred (veiled behind an outward display of well-meaning intent) then the fruit of those actions will bear testimony to the fundamental intention that lay behind them and will be a cause for future unhappiness. The Buddha spoke of wholesome actions that result in happiness, and unwholesome actions that result in unhappiness.and again...

Again...by personal experience...God truly has a "very unique" sense of humor...

Judgement day may take days, months, years, even decades...but at some point in time and space "what goes around...WILL eventually come around" one way or the other..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

This thread is amazing, you learn new things everyday. Thx Lily for the nice firefly explanation, had no idea.


Going into Sdeidjs' experience from the other day, I would also like to post something I received recently which I think you will like. It is a little story about love and madness, or better put, lunacy. I can't take credit for anything other than a mere translation and the editing.



It is said that long ago a few human feelings and qualities met. While Boredom kept grumbling, Lunacy proposed: let’s all play hide and seek.

Intrigue acted surprised and Curiosity, without abstaining asked: hide and seek? And what is that? “It’s a game where I cover my face and start counting from one to one million while you hide. When I am done counting, I’ll start to look for you”, explains Lunacy. Enthusiasm was dancing of joy and Happiness was bouncing because it had managed to convince Doubt and even Indifference, the one who took no interest in anything.

But not all wanted to participate. Truth would rather not hide. Why? Because they always found it in the end. Pride considered the game silly. After all, it wasn't its idea. And Cowardice would rather not risk.

Lunacy started to count. The first that hid was Idleness, which, as it always did, lounged on the nearest stone it found. Envy hid behind Triumph that by its own strength managed to climb the highest trees.

Generosity almost couldn’t hide. Each spot seemed wonderful for each of its friends: the crystal clear lake for Beauty, the crown of a tree seemed perfect for Timidity, a gust of wind seemed magnificent for Freedom. In the end, after it had thought of all, Generosity hid in a ray of sunlight. In turn, Selfishness found a very good spot from the beginning. It was fresh, comfortable, only for it. Lie hid behind the rainbow and Passion and Desire among the volcanoes.

While Lunacy was almost done with counting, LOVE had yet to find a place to hide for they were all taken. Eventually it saw a bush of roses and decided to hide among the flowers.

“One million!”, said Lunacy and began its search. The first that came up was Idleness, only two steps away. Passion and Desire were felt in the vibration of the volcanoes. By chance it found Envy and immediatly after Triumph as well.Lunacy didn’t have to look for Selfishness cause it appeared by itself. Its hiding place was actually a nest of wasps.

All the searching made Lunacy thirsty and getting near to the lake, it discovered Beauty. It was even easier to find Doubt. It just sat and couldn't decide where to hide. And so it found all: Talent in the crude grass, Apprehension in a dark cave, Lie behind the rainbow. And it even found Oblivion, which had forgotten that it was playing hide and seek.

Only LOVE was nowhere to be found. Lunacy searched every tree, every stream, every mountain top. And when it was about to give up, saw the rose bush. It took a stick and starting to move the branches. Instantly, a shout was heard. The thorns had hurt LOVE's eyes. Lunacy no longer knew what to do to apologize. It cried, prayed, begged and asked forgiveness and promised to always stay together.

Ever since then LOVE is blind and Lunacy is always near it.
That is why it is said that „to love is lunacy, but, at least, love lunatically”.


I must confess that I never heard that saying. I thought the story (most probably inspired by
Greek mythology) was quite nice. I do have to wonder though - how come the author forgot HOPE? Didn't it fit in there?

I was just about to post when I saw the link SoS so graciously provided. MAGNIFICENT, truly amazing. Simply mesmerizing. Oh my, the album cannot arrive soon enough, Amazon said they had shipped it. Beautiful, beautiful stuff there.

Very Intellectually Intriguing...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lainy]

AllForMJ and Lily, thanks for the posting!
SOS Orchestra Version This is It is really amazing!
Shabuya, a beautiful story about the love and the lunacy! Thanks for the posting :)

Hum... This discussion reminded me a text that I read out a time ago ... The credits are all of the author, I just translate the important points!

Love's did not a decision that is taken only with the heart or the sensitivity, but with reason, the sensitivity help you get out of yourself, but not enough to take him to love ... love is a choice that only you can do, is not a mechanical act is an act of the will of want...
The admiration and affection for the other push you to it, but this still is not love.

Love is not giving something to someone, this is philanthropy. The love is to give yourself completely to someone, even if he does not deserve... Love does not seek any other cause beside himself, it is a constant act that is renewed each time it is practiced... "its fruit is its practice".

Love is a challenge that God gives us every day. Many do not understand it, others did not have the grace of try it. However, those who experienced true love, permit be transformed. Love is the basis of everything. Everything will pass, only love will remain.

PS: These phrases are special to me... :blush:
"I realized that my love should not to be translated only by words"(St. Terezinha).

"In the evening, we will be judged by love." Mother Teresa

[Lainy]

By experience, "trust me" it does not matter if one was in the position that Mr.Jackson was/is...When one (s) have a pure, giving heart the evil ones of the world tend to "take advantage" of such kind, loving human beings. We tend to look at the good in everyone, and believe in others that we know or would think they stab us in the back.

People who lie, cheat, that self absorbed, and self serving etc. ect. have to look at that man in the mirror every day...and eventually...meet their maker at some point..!

Therefore, I believe in...

KARMA: Every time a person acts there is some quality of intention at the base of the mind and it is that quality rather than the outward appearance of the action that determines the effect. If a person professes piety and virtue but nonetheless acts with greed, anger or hatred (veiled behind an outward display of well-meaning intent) then the fruit of those actions will bear testimony to the fundamental intention that lay behind them and will be a cause for future unhappiness. The Buddha spoke of wholesome actions that result in happiness, and unwholesome actions that result in unhappiness.and again...

Again...by personal experience...God truly has a "very unique" sense of humor...

Judgement day may take days, months, years, even decades...but at some point in time and space "what goes around...WILL eventually come around" one way or the other..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

WOW!!
:clapping: Very good!!

[Sdeidjs]

I want to share with you a newly released (cd)...this is one of many breath taking composition (s) from an Artist that my "very best friend" turned me on to many moons ago...

A gift to each and everyone of you~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZQ6KN13jU


Always Keep The Faith...And WE Can & Will Move Mountain Tops...!


:angel:Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[No-Body]

Sdeidjs, thank you for posting the Michael W. Smith link. Unfortunately I can't listen to it right now, cause I gotta go, but I just wanted to acknowledge your post. I love his version of "Joyful, joyful". He's an incredible Christian artist. *Where that yes smiley @?* I can't seem to find it lol.

[Lainy]

Sdeidjs, Sorry I will don't watch this video, the following message appears: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. :(
But either way I appreciate.
Thanks!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

I've been so busy and exhausted lately so I was waiting till I had time and attention to reply to you guys but it hasn't happened yet so I just want to say thank you so much guys for all your support and caring. It's touched my heart and made me smile at a time where smiling seems kind of difficult for me. Thank you. I wish I could give you all hugs. It's so nice to have your reactions to what I shared.

And so much wonderful posts in this thread, I feel just like Summer. Right after reading one post, you have so much to say with regards to it, then you go to the next and still the same until you finally complete reading them all and forget everything you were going to say. So I just say they are all so nice to read, and gave me much to think about. I especially loved reading about the fireflies.

[SoS]

^ You said that very well, Ape. Wish y' could comment on all and can't take the time to really even get into one! Amazing posts tho, that's for sure. You all are most welcome for the link. Shabuya you did it again! Wow. See what I mean about an exclaimation? After reading so many of your posts, just makes ya wanna go, "shabuya!!!" for emphasis, as a fist is thrust forth lol like maybe some sort of special body 'move' would go with the expression 'shabuya!'.

queen_g, I know what you mean about how MJ turns one syllable into several with his expressiveness, I feel he did that on the word, 'understand' toward the end of This Is It, orchestral version, just a special tone he does it in, I mean.

link for reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0hGTn9zIk

random mention - when you play the orchestral version, notice the violin at 4:27. Its like a staccato/crescendo type thingy and is very quick - when it stops, that's where I can see the very first fireflies being released, two actually at once - one on stage is released (for visual effect), the other 'one' is released at the same in the audience by someone placed there by MJ, and simultaneously another and another until there are a sufficient number for fans to have fun catching, in the peaceful, silent dark. It would go down in history as the first time (___) many people were together at a 'rock venue' with all the lights off, being as peaceful as lambs. (Security realizing all the while, they have their finger on the LIGHTS ON button lol when/if ever needed, which it wouldn't be - not in my dream *looks wistfully into the distance* )

He doesn't start the next set until all the fireflies are gone from flying around - gives him time to change costumes, drink some water etc., (lol!! y'all have to excuse me, my imagination is going wild! lol)

I can just imagine fans having their "souvenier" firefly, that they brought back from the show... after the show, MJ provided these teenie little mason jars :giggle: with teenie holes in the lids. . . with This Is It, in frosted font on the front of the teenie jar ... collectors items....woah somebody stop me! LOL the music conjures all these inspirations ... its just amazing music ... the background vocals OMGoodness, so amazing SO beautiful. . . the song is so special.


Thank you for posting that SoS.:)

I just closed my eyes, listened and visualized something so beautiful. :girl_sigh:

yeh, i know what cha mean :girl_sigh:

[SoS]

I loved that firefly idea. It would have been just the right touch.


Do I really want to take us backwards in this thread?

The song, This Is It, is on our minds now. It makes perfect sense that it is our current focus. As AllForMJ brought up, the song, This Is It, seems to be showing us where MJ was at with his lady friend (if she exists) at the end of his life...a very positive place, as far as where "she" was concerned. He seems reflective, he seems sincere and earnest, and full of love, and a sense of a stronger connection perhaps, with her, has been reached than what seemed to be indicated in any of his other songs that we've listened to. It also seems to have a certain maturity to it, maybe meaning after all the time that has passed, and whatever events went on between them through the years, they now both have a more mature perspective and understanding regarding each other. But maybe, also, not all their questions that they had wanted to ask each other got answered before June 25th. :(

But today I heard for the first time a song that I'm quite sure this thread has brought up before in the past, but for some reason I never listened to it. It's the song Don't Walk Away. I became introduced to all of his slower, more romantic, ballads, through this thread. Someone would post about one of these songs, and I'd copy the title and go to YouTube and give it a listen to and try to see what you guys were meaning by your particular lyrical analysis of the song. You all introduced me to Butterflies, Someone Put Your Hand Out, Whatever Happens, Beautiful Girl, The Way That You're Loving Me, and some others, including the namesake of this thread, Someone In The Dark. Thank you for connecting me to all these beautiful songs! All because we've been like little detectives in here trying to see if the lyrics were maybe speaking to us about a Love Story.

The reason I think I didn't bother listening to Don't Walk Away is because it was a song written for Invincible around 2000, and when I looked over the lyrics at the time of some of you discussing it, I thought it must be about LMP. I somehow never felt, although she was a love of MJ's, that she was his SITD girl. I also thought he stopped seeing here about 1998, 99, and thought yeah, that makes sense, she just recently walked away from him so he wrote a song about his hurt over the whole thing. And then I dismissed the song.

But today I guess I "undismissed it" and came across the lines,

I close my eyes
Just to try and see you smile one more time
But it’s been so long now all I do is cry

Now I've gotten the impression more recently that LMP and MJ were still friends (and I mean friends, not anything else) in 2000. Why would it be so hard for him to picture her smile then? How would it have been so long? Even if he hadn't seen her for several months, there is a likelihood he could have seen a photo of her in a magazine or somewhere, since she's a celebrity who is photographed quite a bit.

Sounds to me this could be about girl he hadn't seen for years, and one who would not have her photograph plastered in the tabloids or anywhere else for the public eye.

The mention of some girl "walking away" has been brought up in more than one of his songs, hasn't it been? It's a recurring theme. He seems to have thought about her walking away...quite a lot, to have it turn up in multiple songs over time.

This part,

And how can I stop losing you
How can I begin to say
When there’s nothing left to do but walk away

This started to make me think, and this is a little different perspective, that he experienced some event in his past where a girl he had built some hopes on, in some form, walked away and out of his life. The "how can I stop losing you" part makes me think that he keeps reliving that event in his mind; hense, he loses her over and over again each time he relives the memory in his mind. Until he is willing to and succeeds in forgetting her and that event, he won't be able to "stop losing her." The only way he can "walk away" is if he lets go of the memory and forgets her.

Well, one thing that really stood out to me today was how many times at the end he says,

I won’t forget you girl

So she is sounding like she has somehow gotten a firm place in his soul to me. That's why I am wondering, for the first time, if this song also could be about his Love in the Dark friend.

The words,

All my dreams been broken
Don’t know where we’re going

could be meaning he doesn't know where he and his dream girl are going in the relationship, and his hopes for it, because "he's never heard a word about her" since that event of her "walking away."

Summer, see, you're not alone, I can write blogs too. :D (um, a long one)

I have always been blown away by the way MJ can put so much emotion (and syllables) into that one syllable word, "breathe" when singing it in One More Chance. Gives me Goosebumps.

But I was absolutely stunned, amazed, by what he did with the word "understand" in the second chorus in Don't Walk Away,

How can I begin again
How am I to understand
When there’s nothing left to do but walk away

Unbelievable! Take a listen if you don't know what I mean the next time you listen to Don't Walk Away.

So there ya are, some maybe fresh thoughts on the song, Don't Walk Away? Sorry I'm so behind you guys where this song is concerned. I know it's already been touched on in here. I don't know how I missed listening to this song after hanging around the MJ sites for almost two and half years. :doh:It seems it had been bothering him a long time by the time DWA came out and I don't believe "she" had any idea about that, who would leave him that kind of pain after the Dangerous album?, nobody, that's what I believe, who on earth could, year after year and over and over, so I can see how you're seeing it being something he found difficult to simply forget. She may have looked at her one self, then looked at the zillions of other people who also love him and counted the seconds it might take for him to 'get over' her, and perhaps never meant to bring him pain at all or ever suspected "she" did. There are so many ways things can be, and since he's saying (in the song) he understands certain things, hopefully it means that those of us who hear,

This is it,

I've been healed

in one verse, are correct, because then it would mean that all was/is well with all souls involved and that's the really important thing

I just wanted to let you know that I'm seeing what you mean here, combined with what Justus mentioned about the song being an attempt on MJ's part, not only to draw the listening audience into his bewilderment about some things, but to also let "her" know of certain things he came to understand as well, so I can see where it lines up with:

How can I begin again
How am I to understand
When there’s nothing left to do but walk away

Keen observation on your part queen_g, thanks for sharing it.

[Sdeidjs]

WOW!!
:clapping: Very good!!


:cheers:

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, thank you for posting the Michael W. Smith link. Unfortunately I can't listen to it right now, cause I gotta go, but I just wanted to acknowledge your post.
I love his version of "Joyful, joyful".
He's an incredible Christian artist.
*Where that yes smiley @?* I can't seem to find it lol.

Your welcome... Yes...I whole heartedly agree Michael W.Smith...totally connects with his audience...this album (cd) World Tour is powerful and quite thought provoking truly impressive.

Although I love this whole cd...here is another good one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kohQSqTVMc4


As far as that smiley @?...When posting on MJJC...one can either click on the quick reply or on the right click on advance response. On the advance response all the emotioncons show up on the bottom.

I am still learning all the features of this site as well and I have been here for quite some time...Smiles...I hope this helps...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are THe World...Heal The World~~~

[Sdeidjs]

I was reading my email earlier and came across this intriging spiritual/ancestrial story...


The Emerald's Allure

Is green the color of heaven and the angels? Green has significant, spiritual meanings--in nature, in various faiths and cultures, and even in the Wizard of Oz.

BY: Ptolemy Tompkins

I was born in May, which makes my birthstone the emerald. This is fitting enough because I've always had a strangely close relationship with the color green.

For my birthday the year I turned 7, my mother (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) gave me an almond-sized, rough-cut piece of transparent green stone that she said was an emerald.

Was it really? I don't know. It's long since lost, and my mother, now 88, doesn't remember it. But whatever it was, for years I kept it with a small number of other ultra-precious possessions, like a shark's tooth (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) and a thimble-sized ceramic caveman. Like most young boys, I didn't have much appreciation for precious stones. But this little rock was different. Why? Because it was green, and green was just . . . more mysterious than other colors.

Green may be the most earthly of colors, but in the glassy depths of that magical little stone, I got a hint that it might just be the color of heaven as well.

Any decorator today will tell you that green is one of the most comforting colors, and ancient peoples knew this, too. From green Eden to the "green figs" of the Song of Solomon to the "green pastures" of Psalm 23 and the "green trees" that show up in prophetic writers like Isaiah and Jeremiah, the color green is one of the most consistent symbols of peace, plenty and consolation in the Bible.

The ancient Egyptians (who mined emeralds at a spot called Cleopatra's Mines on the Red Sea) had the same associations with this color. They connected green specifically with the goddess Nephthys, sister of Isis and the queen of the underworld. In the Egyptian vision of the afterlife, the soul of the deceased traveled to the Western Lands, a rich, reedy landscape thick with lush vegetation—like the land of Egypt itself after the Nile's annual flood. In ancient Greece the Elysian Fields filled the same role.

Similar associations continued down through the centuries. The German poet Goethe, in his masterpiece Faust, wrote that the soul sought "to rise with mighty throes to those ancestral meadows whence it came." One doesn't have to guess what color those meadows were. Meanwhile Ireland, the Emerald Isle, has long been celebrated as the closest place to heaven on earth in part because of the almost supernatural greenness of the landscape there.

But the greens of the world's lore of otherworldly landscapes aren't made up of trees and grass alone. The mystical literature of ancient Iran describes a heavenly region called the Earth of the Emerald Cities. This earth above the earth is characterized by a luminous green light that radiates from the stones (emeralds, of course (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#)) of which the buildings there are made.

L. Frank Baum probably wasn't familiar with the writings of ancient Iran's mystical sages, but he was certainly in accord with them when he created the Emerald City—the capital (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) of the Land of Oz. This city, wrote Baum, glowed with a green light so intense that its inhabitants (themselves also green) wore green eyeglasses to protect themselves from being blinded by it.

Some have claimed that Baum based his Emerald City on the White City of the 1893 Chicago World's Fair (which he did indeed visit when he was writing of Oz). Others think that by placing those green eyeglasses on Oz's inhabitants, Baum was making a jibe at the politicians of turn-of-the-century Washington, D.C., who by ignoring the country's financial (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) hardships were seeing the world through green-tinted glasses.

But the most likely inspiration (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#) for Baum's Emerald City was neither Chicago nor Washington, but that most famous, and glorious, of all celestial cities: the one that an angel shows John of Patmos at the climax of the Book of Revelation. Like Oz, and like Iran's Earth of the Emerald Cities, the new Jerusalem is made up of jewels that give off their own light. The emerald is fourth in a series of 12 precious stones that garnish the foundations of the wall of this city.

Is green the only color in heaven? Of course not, any more than it is the only color on earth. But it is certainly no surprise to find those glowing emeralds appearing in the final pages of Revelation. For in the glassy, bottomless green of the emerald—a green that is at once completely of the earth and yet also completely above and beyond it—we get a particularly vivid hint of what heaven will be: a strange yet impossibly familiar place.

Paraphrased by Susie
Source:Beliefnet.com

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

I was thinking about what has been interpreted lately in regards to the lyrics and release of the TII song and I remembered a post Moddie did when there was a discussion about how "she" would be a part of all of this or incorporated into the shows somehow. Pretty interesting actually if there is some accuracy in what has been interpreted or stated as to what the message of the TII song is all about, that it is about "someone". Maybe Moddie was right :cheeky:, this was how sharing "her" with the world was going to be done.

I know it may be far fetched but still one of my hmmmmm random thoughts :lol:.....


Ok StateofShock, This is why I believe he wanted to somehow incorporate "her" with the shows.

We learned the shows would be called "This is it". Many wondered then and now, where did that title come from. It seemed off and different from what we knew from Michael as far as hsi tours go. But in this thread we all knew, the direction of his clues and messages had taken a very intimate, romantic and direct approach that seemed to personable to be ALL about us fans.

Among the things I had said, was we usually say "This is it"( This is the one) when we are about to take that official leap before God with the ONE, whom he has chosen for us. When we have found the ONE for us and we know it. We typically want to scream it from the roof top.
Then comes the statement on the official "This is it" website, written by Michael. He repeats something 4 times before the statement even began. What is it? He says:
The time has come
The time has come
The time has come
The time has come
Is he screaming? Is shouting it from the roof top? Can you feel his excitement? Until I read the statement, I knew the excitement wasn't all about us. He said:
"It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but make all feel one, one in joy,
ONE IN PAIN, ONE IN LOVE, one in service and in conciousness".
bY placing these words together in this form( one in pain, one in love), showed me, Michael was revealing and telling us he was in fact IN LOVE and wanted to be ONE with her officially). BY giving us two very key clues connected with the 'this is it" tour, also revealed to me, he somehow was planning on MERGING the two. His love life with her and this tour
I believe he was planning on revelaing her to the world during the "This is it" Tour.
She was going to be there, this statement reveals he wanted her there too. His goal was to have us, his music, his dancing and her to ALL be together and share in this time with him Together.
Everything was going to be final and official with the THIS IS IT TOUR.


I found this quote that reminded me of when there was talk about a time machine. I thought it's meaning fit this thread well.....

"We all have our time machines. Some take us back, they're called memories. Some take us forward, they're called dreams." :)

[Asedora]

I just finished reading Rabbi Shmuley book “The Michael Jackson Tapes”. This book left very controversial feelings in my heard not only because of Rabbi Shmuley weird comments, but because Michael himself did many negative statements about women in general. I can understand it because since the age 10 and 11 he was performing at night clubs and saw women acting very vulgar in front of public.He learned about this side of life in very young age. Obviously, it left a very strong negative impression in his mind.
Once he said:I do not like most of girls.
When it was about some specific women like Liz Taylor ,Brook Shield etc, he was much more loving and caring person.
Also, he said that when he was doing casting he usually used to choose the girls he liked, but after, he said, there was a problem because those girls used fall in love with him, but it was not his concern and he didn’t want it.
The book says that once Cindy Crawford showed her interest in him, but he said that she probably just admires him cuz a lot of ppl come over.

In one dialogue he even said that pure love what he gets from children this all what he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Also, I found him very closed person as far as the subject of conversation was related to love and romance with opposite sex. Sometimes he even didn’t answer or his answer didn’t have a specific meaning.
It makes me feel even more that his love to this “special woman” exists only in his lyrics imo.

PS.While I was reading his dialogues, a feeling that women are the biggest problem in this world never left me. But I understand why he was thinking that way. He didn't know anything better.He didn’t have anything in common with most of celebs either, like he said.
Women who tried to approach him were definitely not his type.
But, this is only what was available for super mega star like him. He even said something like that. It is very sad.

[Lily]

Although I don't agree with that persons motives for writing that book and I personally will never read it, I think your interpretation is interesting Asedora, especially this part:


It makes me feel even more that his love to this “special woman” exists only in his lyrics imo.

Putting all my dreaminess, imagination and wishful thinking aside, I sort of agree with this. Although in my heart I certainly wish for our interpretations to have some truth to them. I just don't know that they do. I guess some things in life are meant to never be known, but we can still dream.....:)

[Asedora]

Although I don't agree with that persons motives for writing that book and I personally will never read it, I think your interpretation is interesting Asedora, especially this part:



I guess some things in life are meant to never be known, but we can still dream.....:)

Oh, rabbi Shmuley is not a nice person. It is very clear. But I am not afraid to read this kind of books. I can realize what is right what is wrong. I just wanted to go through dialogues, not rabbi’s comments. And YES we can still dream..:)

[Sdeidjs]

I just finished reading Rabbi Shmuley book “The Michael Jackson Tapes”. This book left very controversial feelings in my heard not only because of Rabbi Shmuley weird comments, but because Michael himself did many negative statements about women in general. I can understand it because since the age 10 and 11 he was performing at night clubs and saw women acting very vulgar in front of public.He learned about this side of life in very young age. Obviously, it left a very strong negative impression in his mind.
Once he said:I do not like most of girls.
When it was about some specific women like Liz Taylor ,Brook Shield etc, he was much more loving and caring person.
Also, he said that when he was doing casting he usually used to choose the girls he liked, but after, he said, there were a problem because those girls used fall in love with him, but it was not his concern and he didn’t want it.
The book says that once Cindy Crawford showed her interest in him, but he said that she probably just admires him cuz a lot of ppl come over.

In one dialogue he even said that pure love what he gets from children this all what he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Also,
I found him very closed person as far as the subject of conversation was related to love and romance with opposite sex. Sometimes he even didn’t answer or his answer didn’t have a specific meaning. It makes me feel even more that his love to this “special woman” exists only in his lyrics imo.

PS.While I was reading his dialogues, a feeling that women are the biggest problem in this world never left me. But I understand why he was thinking that way. He didn't know anything better.He didn’t have anything in common with most of celebs either, like he said.


(Most) Women who tried to approach him were definitely not his type.
But, this is only what was available for super mega star like him. He even said something like that. It is very sad.

Each and everyone of us go through different trials, tribulations, doubts, and flustrations at certain periods throughout our life times...

Mr.Jackson has always been protective of his private life...Therefore, the "intimate" relationship a man and or a woman has with a mate is just that...private..! So I can understand his reluctancy to share with the world his thoughts on the subject.

When it comes to choosing a mate, I can totally relate to Mr.Jackson on some level...so many look on the outside (across the board for status, money, looks ect.ect,) instead of totally understanding/connecting with me on a level we both feel in side...

Basically making one feel complete..!



:angel: Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[No-Body]

Susie, thx for the help :yes: Amazing post you had there about the color green.

You guys, I know this is gonna be really strange, but when I read that I immediatly thought of "Anne of green gables", especially the anime series, not the first association one would have made, I know.

I won't post all of them links with cartoon openings I saved all night cause it would be wayyy too much, but I would like to share with you some of my favorite childhood memories. It is kinda selfish of me to post some links which have songs in Italian when most people here do not use it, not to mention a bit impolite as well, but that is the language in which I came to see them, a language I came to learn and love. I'm sure many of you have seen these in your own language.

Green gables series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPDMFQz5ck

There's also Heidi, probably my favorite ever cartoon series. I must have seen this about three or four times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI3qPvtYnv0&feature=related

Prince Valiant, an incredible story taking place at King Arthur's court http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYPJ87kfEfY

And last but not least http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZBuyCkmI A truly beautiful and touching story dealing with slavery in the deep South. The lyrics to the song are pretty meaningful as well.

The Japanese are truly amazing when it comes to this anime thing, aren't they? It's incredible what they did. I'm not entirely sure Prince Valiant was made there though; I think, as it was with the Smurfs series which was done in France, Prince Valiant might have also been produced in Europe; I'm not sure about it, but the design seems different to me.

If my mind serves me right, which usually doesn't, this is not the first time a cartoon has been used up in here, so I am not taking a complete detour. Sorry for highjacking the talk people.


And in a totally different line of thought now, does anybody else except fruity me think this is the calm before the storm that will be the movie? I can see an emotional roller coaster ride approaching. We better fasten our seatbelts and prepare our landing gear.

But until then, I'll leave you with another classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4&feature=related. :D

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[LindaC781]

I like that quote, Lily. I'm glad you posted it in here. :) It made me think of some lines of a poem MimiK posted pages and pages and pages ago. (this thread moves fast!) Here they are:

the love is old, it is not waiting,

for all time, it has been stated

in the future, and in the past

in my memory time travels fast.

I think it could be said that this "possible" romance between MJ and his SITD girl has everything to do with Time, and timing, I should think.





When was Serious Effect written and what about these lyrics point to there being a guy around "her"? O.o

You gotta get back every rhyme
Gonna jump back
She won't get it
I got a feeling but giving you, I
And i'm so damn
So damn glad about it

I got a feeling
That your jumping around
Gon' get back
She wont get it
I gotta feeling like jumping around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

I gotta feeling
Of giving you, I
Won't jump back
She won't let it
I got a feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

She don't smoke
She don't breathe
She don't hash
She don't dope
But she's a lyer
I gotta feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

[Rap]
She's serious
Makin' me delirious
I'm curious
Next thing I know
Hittin' us
Enjoying
The animal magnetism
She's to hot to touch
Too cool for critizism
Each and every things
Like a mini movie being filmed
'Cause I'm the captain
AND HER BODY'S THE HELM
I'm shivering, quivering
I smile while i'm delivering
Get some love and passion
It's never been
so intense and spiritual like
In sence of above, against
And all off in silence
Then i scream like a man
Out of his rich
'Cause that's how serious
A serious effect is

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

Aouw!
She mentioned that I was
She mentioned that I was
(serious)
Jumpin' around
I gotta break down
(serious)
She's the one who get it
(serious)
I got a feeling
Like jumpin' around
'cause i'm so glad
(serious)
And I'm so damn glad about it

Serious effect on me baby
Serious on
Serious effect on me baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

And what the heck is he feeling so **** glad about? Answer that for me and I'll really make sure you get that Academy Award...or somethun!

Ooh baby baby!! How did I miss this song? Wow. What hot lyrics!

[8701girl]

By experience, "trust me" it does not matter if one was in the position that Mr.Jackson was/is...When one (s) have a pure, giving heart the evil ones of the world tend to "take advantage" of such kind, loving human beings. We tend to look at the good in everyone, and believe in others that we know or would think they would not stab us in the back.

People who lie, cheat, that self absorbed, and self serving etc. ect. have to look at that man in the mirror every day...and eventually...meet their maker at some point..!

Therefore, I believe in...

KARMA: Every time a person acts there is some quality of intention at the base of the mind and it is that quality rather than the outward appearance of the action that determines the effect. If a person professes piety and virtue but nonetheless acts with greed, anger or hatred (veiled behind an outward display of well-meaning intent) then the fruit of those actions will bear testimony to the fundamental intention that lay behind them and will be a cause for future unhappiness. The Buddha spoke of wholesome actions that result in happiness, and unwholesome actions that result in unhappiness.and again...

Again...by personal experience...God truly has a "very unique" sense of humor...

Judgement day may take days, months, years, even decades...but at some point in time and space "what goes around...WILL eventually come around" one way or the other..!

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
When ppl say those two words "trust me". they can easily mislead you. They trick u into beliving that they are helping you for the better- when in truth they are not. Thats why its always best to keep both your eyes & ears open at all times- never keep them shut!

[Asedora]

I have a question, ladies. Anybody here in this thread ever paid attention to “Invincible” lyrics? This is a very beautiful and powerful song ,I think. And “she” is there again LOL. Lyrics was not correct 100% from my point of view. In brackets I put a correct word the way how I hear it and it does make sense. If you think it is my mistake pls, let me know. BTW when this lyrics were written? This song is just SO good:)

If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart
I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start
But girl you just won’t approve of the things that I do
When all I do is for you but still you say it ain’t cool

If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me

[CHORUS]
So why ain’t you feelin’ me, she’s invincible
But I can do anything, she’s invincible
Even when I beg and plead, she’s invincible
Girl won’t give in to me, she’s invincible

Now many times I’ve told you of all the things I would do
But I cant seem to get through no matter how I try to
So tell me how does it seem that you ain’t checking for me
When I know that I could be more than you could ever dream

If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me

[CHORUS]

Now some way I’ll have to prove all that I said I would do
Giving you everything, fulfilling your fantasy
Then maybe you’ll change your mind and finally give in time
Then I’ll be showing you what other men are supposed to do for you my baby

[RAP]

[CHORUS x 3]

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

I just finished reading Rabbi Shmuley book “The Michael Jackson Tapes”. This book left very controversial feelings in my heard not only because of Rabbi Shmuley weird comments, but because Michael himself did many negative statements about women in general. I can understand it because since the age 10 and 11 he was performing at night clubs and saw women acting very vulgar in front of public.He learned about this side of life in very young age. Obviously, it left a very strong negative impression in his mind.
Once he said:I do not like most of girls.
When it was about some specific women like Liz Taylor ,Brook Shield etc, he was much more loving and caring person.
Also, he said that when he was doing casting he usually used to choose the girls he liked, but after, he said, there was a problem because those girls used fall in love with him, but it was not his concern and he didn’t want it.
The book says that once Cindy Crawford showed her interest in him, but he said that she probably just admires him cuz a lot of ppl come over.

In one dialogue he even said that pure love what he gets from children this all what he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Also, I found him very closed person as far as the subject of conversation was related to love and romance with opposite sex. Sometimes he even didn’t answer or his answer didn’t have a specific meaning.
It makes me feel even more that his love to this “special woman” exists only in his lyrics imo.

PS.While I was reading his dialogues, a feeling that women are the biggest problem in this world never left me. But I understand why he was thinking that way. He didn't know anything better.He didn’t have anything in common with most of celebs either, like he said.
Women who tried to approach him were definitely not his type.
But, this is only what was available for super mega star like him. He even said something like that. It is very sad.
Having Rabbi Shmuley as a friend is equivalent to playing with a rattle snake in the desert. I wonder how much money he's trying to make off of Michael with his book?

Also, it was when Michael was friends with this Rabbi that he recorded sad love songs...one filled with tears...like what we hear on his "Invincible" CD. It was when he was hanging around with this negative and deceitful Rabbi that we got a speech filled with tears like the Oxford Speech.

It was after Michael stopped being friends with this Rabbi that we got the song "One More Chance." It was also when Michael stopped being friends with this Rabbi that we started seeing him smile again.

This Rabbi claimed he could find the perfect woman for Michael, but from listening to the beautiful love songs that Michael started releasing after getting rid of the Rabbi, it turns out Michael did not need him to do anything for him at all. Notice that in the song "The Way You Love Me," which is a very sweet and loving song, Michael reveals that Heaven sent his lady friend to him.

In other words, God had something else in mind and what God wanted for Michael superceded what the Rabbi wanted. From listening to the way that Michael's love songs mellowed out in tone, God wanted Michael's soul to be calmed. Notice that his tears stopped at the same time that he love songs sweetened.

From looking at the way that the Rabbi wrote this book, what he mainly wanted out of Michael was money. How much did you waste on it?

[SoS]

^ great post ! I also get the feeling Michael (being he is intentional when it comes to what he decides to have be public) had a purpose at the time, for a lot of his answers. For instance, its very unlike him to feel comfy coming close to "bashing" someone (eg., Madonna) and a few other things that seemed quite an interesting opposite to the way he normally presents himself and what he's about, so I dunno ... I feel there's a lot more than is being told, or maybe even known to Schmutly for that matter, who knows with someone as intricate as MJ.

Thanks Asedora for posting it for sure, great contribution to the discussion :flowers:

queen_g, before I could answer that question for you (what are my benefits again? lol an Oscar? wowza wowza!) we'd have to agree on the lyrics, and well, y'know ... sry, hear smthg different ... no time to post it tonight ...sry again tho but I'll answer your question when I get some down time.

edit: I have scanned some enjoyable posts, no time to really read. Thanks for compliment on my artistic direction queen_g! lol yes, that words' sounding punched in adds something ... I guess a sense of intent, like he hopes she('ll) understand/s.

I can't wait to return to really read a few pages back. You guys are on a roll :)

[8701girl]

^ great post ! I also get the feeling Michael (being he is intentional when it comes to what he decides to have be public) had a purpose at the time, for a lot of his answers. For instance, its very unlike him to feel comfy coming close to "bashing" someone (eg., Madonna)


I dont think michael liked to "verbally dis ppl out" but i guess he was speaking the way he felt in his heart. What annoys me though is that it seems to be ok to verbally bash mike out, but not the other way round?? u guys know what i mean? It like mike was never "allowed" to say how he felt bout ppl , but it was ok for ppl to say stuff bout him...i still dont understand how did human beings become so cruel & so unjust?? :(

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Asedora]

Having Rabbi Shmuley as a friend is equivalent to playing with a rattle snake in the desert. I wonder how much money he's trying to make off of Michael with his book?

Also, it was when Michael was friends with this Rabbi that he recorded sad love songs...one filled with tears...like what we hear on his "Invincible" CD. It was when he was hanging around with this negative and deceitful Rabbi that we got a speech filled with tears like the Oxford Speech.

It was after Michael stopped being friends with this Rabbi that we got the song "One More Chance." It was also when Michael stopped being friends with this Rabbi that we started seeing him smile again.

This Rabbi claimed he could find the perfect woman for Michael, but from listening to the beautiful love songs that Michael started releasing after getting rid of the Rabbi, it turns out Michael did not need him to do anything for him at all. Notice that in the song "The Way You Love Me," which is a very sweet and loving song, Michael reveals that Heaven sent his lady friend to him.

In other words, God had something else in mind and what God wanted for Michael superceded what the Rabbi wanted. From listening to the way that Michael's love songs mellowed out in tone, God wanted Michael's soul to be calmed. Notice that his tears stopped at the same time that he love songs sweetened.

From looking at the way that the Rabbi wrote this book, what he mainly wanted out of Michael was money. How much did you waste on it?


Rabbi is a terrible guy I know, but I got this book for myself because:

1. Some dialogues have a very high value for me. It helps to understand his world on a different way and the tragedy of his life. It is very important for me, for my own soul.

2. Rabbi said that all money will go to some kids charity organizations .
If it won’t happen, it will mean to me that Rabbi is a liar in front of the eyes of God and it will be HIS sin, not mine. If Shmuley wants this sin, I do not care. It is his problem now, not mine.
At the same time I am NOT going to see “This Is It” movie, because nobody promised that the money will be used “To Heal The World”. I am not paying a penny to fat cats like AEG and SONY.
This is how I deal with things like that.
Also, my advice if you feel you are not able to ignore weird rabbi’s comments and they will affect you on a bad way DO NOT BUY this book. I doesn’t affect me , I know how to deal with this kind of stuff. No matter what I liked about this book and what I didn’t like, nothing changed. I still love Michael the same, love his music, love him as a person and I deeply admire his talent.
Also, I agree that at the time when Michael was with Shmuley, it was the worst time in MJ life. Shmuley and Geller are not nice ppl. It is very true.

But I wouldn’t say that it somehow affected his relationships with “her” in his lyrics. I wouldn’t apply one to another. In his last album “Invincible” we still have songs like "You Rock My World" , “Butterflies”, “Speechless”.
The Lyrics of “One more chance of love” song in my opinion is more sad than “Invincible” lyrics because it feels like it is his last chance . This is how I understand this song, but everybody is different.

Take care everybody.

[No-Body]

Asedora, I understand why you wanted to buy the book - to get a better perspective into Michael's world view and his opinions on life. I totally understand that. I know that a few weeks ago there was pdf circulating that had only Michael's quotes, without the 'wisdom' of the 'good' Boteach. That seemed to me like the perfect thing - reading Mike's words without giving that schmuck a dime. Unfortunately, the file I downloaded was corrupted. Btw, if anybody can help with that, would be greatly appreciated.

I certainly agree with you about YRMW, Butterflies and above all Speechless. It is my favorite song EVER. I clearly remember crying my eyes out when first listening to it; I still do almost all the time. That is such a powerful song that anyone who hears it can get from it whatever they like. I remember someone talking about their brother who was lost on 9/11. One can easily see it relate to one's children, one's parents, friends wherever each is on their life path. For me, it used to be a very spiritual song, about God; lately I've heard it in the key of another's heart in which one can find home and sanctuary.


"I don't care about "Stars and Bangles"...I just want you.

Queen g, that is indeed a beautiful line and a beautiful love. One of the cartoon videos I was watching last night, actually a collage of images had some very nice words at the end: there are no perfect love stories, because man isn't perfect...but there are great loves that can grow until reaching infinity.

And infinity can certainly be found in a masterpiece such as Satchmo's We have all the time in the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82VZ521iY0&feature=related He really was a genius. Sooo many great songs: When the saints go marching in, Dream a little dream, Nobody knows the troubles I've seen. I have to confess that I wasn't familiar with the latter, but I was very impressed by it. I also discovered Sam Cooke did a beautiful version as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQzlzH5wymc&feature=related



All the anime talk earlier got me thinking about Japan and the immense love it showed Michael throughout his life. A truly beautiful moment was the MTV awards in 2006, when he made his first public appearance after the trial. The video isn't of great quality, but the images are priceless http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNIy6c9BsMw

There are a few moments that are just beyond words, so very touching and emotional. His voice cracking with emotion at 6:35 when he says 'kind', his eyes filling up with tears at the amazement and realization that people still loved him at 6:53, the extra coolness around minute 7 lol and the sweetness of the whole ending at 7:29-32, the way he says so nicely “thank you so, sooo much”, backs away from the mic and gives his content lil' peace sign. Such an honest, beautiful moment.

It is terrible to think that the trial made him doubt his own ability to draw people and the world's love for him. The media sure did give it a great try at proving that he was no longer relevant, but as that moment showed his legacy was intact and I am convinced the movie will only help cement it.

[Asedora]

^ My impression is that the bulk of the song's lyrics (Invincible) are speaking about all his communication he is trying to have with "her" (the proposed SITD girl) through his songs over the years.

Everytime he says "I told you" I think he means in his lyrics in various songs. And because he hasn't heard from her after all this time, he concludes it's not seeming to be working, even with all his efforts.

And not just his songs... but all the ways he's impressed the world in his career...all his awards, all his meeting presidents and important people, all his stadium filled concerts, all his short films, all his entries in the Guinness Book of Records...or how he can offer diamonds and pearls and traveling...and on and on. It doesn't appear that she is catching what he's all about, and being impressed by it.

His questions are, "Why isn't it working? What is it going to take for this girl to notice me and reach out to me?" and "How is she not hearing my songs and getting my messages?" and "How can the whole world be bowing at my feet and she doesn't turn my way?" The only explanation he comes up with is...she must be invincible.

So now that he concludes she is invincible does he let it rest?

Well, it seems like the song Invincible itself...is another attempt yet...to get through. He keeps tryin'. Awww.

Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts. It would be nice to hear some others.

(also, I think the answers to most of those questions, if he was asking them like I am suggesting, could have been found all along for him in his short film, The Way You Make Me Feel)

But the man that wrote Invincible was a man about forty, who had not gone through that trial yet, and subsequently, not yet been refined by God through it, and had not yet gained perhaps a new perspective on life and what really matters to him and a greater understanding of himself, like the man of fifty, that he was, before he died.


Very good analysis. I think this song was definitely a message for “her”( a woman in his mind). This is why he even called an album “Invincible” to make “her” to pay attention to such a big event in the music industry????. Maybe he was thinking that way it will get “her” mind to this album? And, the lyrics says about a man beside her. Somehow in MJ mind “she” was not alone anymore and “he was taking "her" across the world”. In the end no matter what he did, she didn’t hear him. It is sad. I really LOVE this song.


Edit:Edit:Even if she heard him, how in the world she would contact him and how would he recognize her? She would look like another crazy women, trying to reach him. So, once again it is God’s prerogative to deal with things like that. Michael is not the one in this world who didn’t find love. He was a very special one who needed it more..We do not know anything about this world, but it feels like it is not about love imo.

[Asedora]

Asedora, I understand why you wanted to buy the book - to get a better perspective into Michael's world view and his opinions on life. I totally understand that. I know that a few weeks ago there was pdf circulating that had only Michael's quotes, without the 'wisdom' of the 'good' Boteach. That seemed to me like the perfect thing - reading Mike's words without giving that schmuck a dime. Unfortunately, the file I downloaded was corrupted. Btw, if anybody can help with that, would be greatly appreciated.
.

You wanted to get a scan copy of some parts of the book? The whole thing is almost 300 pages.

[Lainy]

I didn't buy the Rabbi book's, in my opinion he should have used the Michael's conversations, but without his unfortunate comments, so each of us can interpret the way that we find most convenient, because we're not interested in knowing the of Rabbi Shmuley Boteach opinion, but in that Michael had to say, he always has something new to teach us.

I downloaded the book without the hateful comments of the rabbi, and I must confess that I agree with Asedora, we learned much with Michael's words, we learned about his and be better, a appreciate the small and simple things of our life, that usually in go unnoticed...

I love Michael even more, he's really a sensitive man and aware to the world's pains... he has his fears, his pains ... and now more than ever I'm united his past and present sufferings.

[8701girl]

I do feel ''one more chance'' was about him asking the world 2 give him one more chance to be able to still give his special gift 2 the world again- not be judged or redicuiled while doing it.

[Asedora]

I do feel ''one more chance'' was about him asking the world 2 give him one more chance to be able to still give his special gift 2 the world again- not be judged or redicuiled while doing it.

Like I said everybody is different. I see and feel it was his last chance to find "her" (the woman of his dream and his imagination) imo.

Searching for that one who is going to make me whole
Help me make these mysteries unfold
Hold on
Lightning about to strike in rain only on me
Hurt so bad sometimes it's hard to breathe
Oh why why
If you see her
Tell her this from me
All I need is

One more chance at love

Sounds like another msg. for "her" but it was the last one. Very sad.

PS. Just my opinion. I am a crazy poetry fan.:)

[SoS]

Could it, like some other things seem to, serve a dual purpose? I feel so.

Speaking of double messages, did anyone see the thread about the TMZ article about the message with the roses? The, "you make me soooo happy" message he gave to the fans outside his hotel?

It seems that when he said, "I can feel your energy through the walls" he literally meant through the physical structure of the hotel walls!

Interesting how things can be seen when left to interpretation. I don't mean to blow anyone's DMFLITD mood if it did, just goes to show, imho, we can't take everything as having a double meaning, or in some cases, maybe not any "meaning" beyond what the artist feels at a given time.

I still see the "story" (or more than one or two) in the music though. I agree with what you said, Asadora about OMC too. I do feel he did receive some 'answer' to the 'call' of that song though. In his 'final' song, he seemed to be saying he got some of his questions answered (when he said, "help me make these mysteries unfold" - the "mystery of where "she'd" been all that time, why she hadn't responded, why he felt her fever from miles around and wondered "why ain't she feelin' me!" in Invincible) -

- in the new song, where he repeats, "you said", in different places, one of those being, "you said you wanted to go with me all the while" - so that tells me he found that out in times more recent than OMC. So in a way, perhaps he got his one more chance at love.

Maybe not the chance to be with her in the fullest sense, but the chance to love "her" and be "loved" by her (maybe not physically) and perhaps in even more meaningful and lasting ways than picking her up in his car to "paint the town", or things they wanted to say and do to eachother "in the closet"

- wouldn't it be nice if they "met" in a Different kind of "closet" ... *looks away wistfully* ... a spiritual closet

He said he knew the love was real. :) That's what I love the most. If our interpretations are at all close, then maybe he did end up feeling he'd gotten his "one more chance at love" afterall, in a way he apparently didn't expect.

I noticed two interpretations of his lyrics in This Is It. One says, "falling in love wasn't my plan" and the other says, "falling in love was in my plan".

Could it be both? With MJ, who knows, and I guess we may as well say why not.

[Asedora]

I noticed two interpretations of his lyrics in This Is It. One says, "falling in love wasn't my plan" and the other says, "falling in love was in my plan".

Could it be both? With MJ, who knows, and I guess we may as well say why not.

IMO it cannot be both. You have to see the context.
"falling in love wasn't in my plan".
is correct version imo, because the next line is: " I never thought that I would be your lover"
If you put it like this:

"falling in love was in my plan".
I never thought that I would be your lover"

It doesn't make any freaking sense imo.


Also, the line:"And you said won’t you go with me, on a while" or "you wanted to go with on a while" are two different things. I prefer the first one. It makes sense to me and I like it better that way:)
You wanted to go with me on a while - makes sense too. But I thik this line is not that important because the main meaning is not here.My opinion :)



It seems that when he said, "I can feel your energy through the walls" he literally meant through the physical structure of the hotel walls!

I do not think so. If he meant physical walls it seems hilarious to me. He was sitting in the hotel, she was staying outside and he was feeling her energy that way? That way he just had better to get out from the hotel and check out each female fan LOL When was this note was given to the fans?

Remeber the lyrics Invincible. This is the same "walls" IMO

If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart
Again just my opinion:)

[Ape]

SOS can you please give a link to that? I never know where anything is in here anymore. Too much to see.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:!

[SoS]

You guys I have been looking and looking for it too. It was there I tell ya it was there!! :lol: I saw it just yesterday. I believe it was yesterday. I figured you all saw it and I was in a rush as usual and didn't save it. I just got off of the TMZ site to try and find it to no avail...sry... I promise u it was there. That same photo too, of the back of the girl wearing the white pants as she's facing the car...I guess MJ's car ... wasn't really paying close attention to the pic, mostly the article, but u guys have seen the photo I'm sure...it was that pic with the article.

Nice posts queen_g and Asedora (luv that name!) and I agree with you about those being the kinds of "walls" he could have meant in that song since he did also say, "I feel your fever from miles around", and "I can hear your prayers", so definitely he was 'connnected' with "her" in that way.

queen_g its interesting how a lot of things that occur fall in line with this thread, whether they are intentional or not on MJ's part, so maybe its sometimes too, the "Higher Power" lining things up for "all things" to "work together" for "the good" and sometimes it seems there's no better good than the love "vibe" in this thread.

edit: Asedora, I meant to mention, I know what you mean about "falling in love was in my plan" doesn't fit the context of, "I never thought that I would be your lover" and I agree. I'm open to it being both because I view the entire song as a sort of 'mosaic' where pieces don't all necessarily flow in a linear form according to the way I'm hearing it.




Also, the line:"And you said won’t you go with me, on a while" or "you wanted to go with on a while" are two different things. I prefer the first one. It makes sense to me and I like it better that way:) I'd said that I'm hearing,

"and you said you wanted to go with me all the while" .

:)







:unsure: *leaves to go look for thread or article some more*

[Sdeidjs]

Susie,
thx for the help :yes: Amazing post you had there about the color green.

You guys, I know this is gonna be really strange, but when I read that I immediatly thought of "Anne of green gables", especially the anime series, not the first association one would have made, I know.

I won't post all of them links with cartoon openings I saved all night cause it would be wayyy too much, but I would like to share with you some of my favorite childhood memories. It is kinda selfish of me to post some links which have songs in Italian when most people here do not use it, not to mention a bit impolite as well, but that is the language in which I came to see them, a language I came to learn and love. I'm sure many of you have seen these in your own language.

Green gables series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPDMFQz5ck

There's also Heidi, probably my favorite ever cartoon series. I must have seen this about three or four times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI3qPvtYnv0&feature=related

Prince Valiant, an incredible story taking place at King Arthur's court http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYPJ87kfEfY

And last but not least http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZBuyCkmI A truly beautiful and touching story dealing with slavery in the deep South. The lyrics to the song are pretty meaningful as well.

The Japanese are truly amazing when it comes to this anime thing, aren't they? It's incredible what they did. I'm not entirely sure Prince Valiant was made there though; I think, as it was with the Smurfs series which was done in France, Prince Valiant might have also been produced in Europe; I'm not sure about it, but the design seems different to me.

If my mind serves me right, which usually doesn't, this is not the first time a cartoon has been used up in here, so I am not taking a complete detour. Sorry for highjacking the talk people.


And in a totally different line of thought now, does anybody else except fruity me think this is the calm before the storm that will be the movie? I can see an emotional roller coaster ride approaching. We better fasten our seatbelts and prepare our landing gear.

But until then, I'll leave you with another classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4&feature=related. :D

:punk:Your very welcome...Thank You for your links as well...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

I like that quote, Lily. I'm glad you posted it in here. :) It made me think of
some lines of a poem MimiK posted pages and pages and pages ago. (this thread moves fast!) Here they are:


the love is old, it is not waiting,

for all time, it has been stated

in the future, and in the past

in my memory time travels fast.

I think
it could be said that this "possible" romance between MJ and his SITD girl has everything to do with Time, and timing, I should think.





When was Serious Effect written and what about these lyrics point to there being a guy around "her"? O.o

You gotta get back every rhyme
Gonna jump back
She won't get it
I got a feeling but giving you, I
And i'm so damn
So damn glad about it

I got a feeling
That your jumping around
Gon' get back
She wont get it
I gotta feeling like jumping around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

I gotta feeling
Of giving you, I
Won't jump back
She won't let it
I got a feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

She don't smoke
She don't breathe
She don't hash
She don't dope
But she's a lyer
I gotta feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

[Rap]
She's serious
Makin' me delirious
I'm curious
Next thing I know
Hittin' us
Enjoying
The animal magnetism
She's to hot to touch
Too cool for critizism
Each and every things
Like a mini movie being filmed
'Cause I'm the captain
AND HER BODY'S THE HELM
I'm shivering, quivering
I smile while i'm delivering
Get some love and passion
It's never been
so intense and spiritual like
In sence of above, against
And all off in silence
Then i scream like a man
Out of his rich
'Cause that's how serious
A serious effect is

Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

Aouw!
She mentioned that I was
She mentioned that I was
(serious)
Jumpin' around
I gotta break down
(serious)
She's the one who get it
(serious)
I got a feeling
Like jumpin' around
'cause i'm so glad
(serious)
And I'm so damn glad about it

Serious effect on me baby
Serious on
Serious effect on me baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it

And what the heck is he feeling so **** glad about? Answer that for me and I'll really make sure you get that Academy Award...or somethun!

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

When ppl say those two words "trust me". they can easily mislead you. They trick u into believing that they are helping you for the better- when in truth they are not. That's why its always best to keep both your eyes & ears open at all times- never keep them shut!

I wholeheartedly agree...I learned my lesson the HARD way...

People that have a such kind heart always desire to assist any way they can for a fellow human being when they come to them in there so called "need for help"...Not all the time...but most of the time...it is for a financial reason (s)...

Like I have been told throughout my life...I am too nice, kind hearted and I need to start being (meaner)...but...that is totally NOT my nature.

To make a long story short...I was told by one of my Legal Professors/Legal Studies Association that I am brutally honest about many of my personal experiences in life...and was asked why I am open about certain experiences that I have endured?

Basically, knowledge is growth and if there just one person that I can prevent by making the same mistake that I made then I am making a difference. Make sense? I think so...

Therefore, to address the "trust me" by my personal experiences...Karma...God has a great sense of humor sometimes...

When I left my comfortable life back somewhere around 1993 I needed to find work to support my son and I...(Again to make a very loong story short) I got a job at a very popular Sports Pub & Grille, Catering restaurant washing dishes and delivering Pizza's, Wings, (full menu) making minimum wage and working on my preqs for my college degree. This entity was growing by leaps and bounds...we we slammed practically all day/night 7 days a week...

After a few years I left the resturaunt, I wanted expand on my business experience, wear and tear on my vehicle etc.... the owners explained until they built the new building they would not have anything for me but would like me to be their daytime resturant manager/catering cordinator.

The owners did fulfill their promise, bought some land and built a fabulous building...they searched me out and offered me the position they promised, I kept blowing them off but eventually I ended up taking the position.

Everything was going great this (25 year family business) entity was making about 1.2 million a year...then...around 2002 or 2003 the resturaunt kept having issues with paying the bills...and I'm like whatz going on here...Payroll was bouncing, taxes, electric bill, food bills, etc. etc. you name it...Employees were coming to me whatz going on Susie we have families to feed, bills to pay...

Keep in mind...the family always had their hand out that was nothing new, wasting sooo much money, come to find out the wife (my boss the President of the Company) was lying to where she was spending all the money...(Gambling) Here we thinking she is going to resturaunt conventions but no she was trying for her BIG hit at the casinos.

At this point, the business was in such disarray...I confronted her son serveral times about the problem...he tried somewhat... but it was ultimately "her" business. Her and I would get in screaming matches about was was going on...She tried to get loans, borrow money etc.etc...when all else was exausted guess who she came running to...Although, I did not have much money, I did however have A1 top of the line credit rating.

She made me a promise if I helped save the 25 year business she would STOP gambling, go to gambling anonymous meetings ( I even made the appointment for her), and she would sign promissory notes (which she did and ultimately saved my butt).

Unfortunately, the gambling continued, she kept lying, and the family destroyed the 1.2 million dollar a year business, the employees, in a nut shell they lost everything...

I had to file bankrupcy, and the Federal Bankrupcy Judge almost had be criminally arrested (thank Goodness for those promissory notes)...

People ask WHY? would I invest into a business like that...I have sat back and thought of the whys...

It was a 25 year old business making a good income, had the right location, fabulous loyal employees, the customers (lines standing to get in) but most of all, it was because I cared about the employees, their families, we were a great team, we gave it our all, I truly thought that we could make it work...it was our business..."the back of the house "a kitchen is only as good as its cooks" and in the front of the house is only as good as the bartenders, waiters/waitresses"...It probably would still be here today if it were not for the blood suckers bleeding it dry...

Needless to say, I "was" in financial ruin, my pride, my being was destroyed, and to this day I do beat myself up about it sometimes. But all in all, it was a great business experience while it lasted. I learned allot, got to meet boat loads of people, and I know we all did the best we could considering the circumstances...

The moral of this story...as they say in the business world ACYB (Always Cover Your Butt) stay away from manipulators, liers, thiefs, and when/if you ever want to invest in an entity always protect your credit, and never think/invest with your heart..!


Although I do not wish ill on anyone...but this story goes to show us that WE all eventually reap what we sow...

As far as that boss I told you about...this past year charges were pressed from her best friend, and the District Attorney for forgery, indentity fraud, theft and from what I currently heard from a very reliable source...recently she was caught "again" taking advantage of an elderly woman that she was living with...(the courts are in the process of prosecuting her), the husband is no where to be found (they say probably in Bankok which I wouldn't doubt), the son has lost his wife (divorce), job, been busted for DUI (about 3 times) alcoholic, a drug addict and recently court ordered into rehab.

As for me, although it has been a struggle...I am happy to report that I am recovering slowly but nicely...

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

I have a question, ladies. Anybody here in this thread ever paid attention to “Invincible” lyrics?
This is a very beautiful and powerful song ,I think. And “she” is there again LOL. Lyrics was not correct 100% from my point of view. In brackets I put a correct word the way how I hear it and it does make sense. If you think it is my mistake pls, let me know. BTW when this lyrics were written? This song is just SO good:)

If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart
I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start
But girl you just won’t approve of the things that I do
When all I do is for you but still you say it ain’t cool

If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me

[CHORUS]
So why ain’t you feelin’ me, she’s invincible
But I can do anything, she’s invincible
Even when I beg and plead, she’s invincible
Girl won’t give in to me, she’s invincible

Now many times I’ve told you of all the things I would do
But I cant seem to get through no matter how I try to
So tell me how does it seem that you ain’t checking for me
When I know that I could be more than you could ever dream

If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me

[CHORUS]

Now some way I’ll have to prove all that I said I would do
Giving you everything, fulfilling your fantasy
Then maybe you’ll change your mind and finally give in time
Then I’ll be showing you what other men are supposed to do for you my baby

[RAP]

[CHORUS x 3]

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

^ My impression is that the bulk of the song's lyrics (Invincible) are speaking about all his communication he is trying to have with "her" (the proposed SITD girl) through his songs over the years.

Everytime he says "I told you" I think he means in his lyrics in various songs. And because he hasn't heard from her after all this time, he concludes it's not seeming to be working, even with all his efforts.

And not just his songs... but
all the ways he's impressed the world in his career...all his awards, all his meeting presidents and important people, all his stadium filled concerts, all his short films, all his entries in the Guinness Book of Records...or how he can offer diamonds and pearls and traveling...and on and on. It doesn't appear that
she is catching what he's all about, and
NOT impressed by it.

His questions are, "Why isn't it working? What is it going to take for this girl to notice me and reach out to me?" and "How is she not hearing my songs and getting my messages?" and
"How can the whole world be bowing at my feet and she doesn't turn my way?" The only explanation he comes up with is...she must be invincible.

So now that he concludes she is invincible does he let it rest?

Well, it seems like the song Invincible itself...is another attempt yet...to get through. He keeps tryin'. Awww.

Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts. It would be nice to hear some others.

(also, I think the answers to most of those questions, if he was asking them like I am suggesting, could have been found all along for him in his short film, The Way You Make Me Feel)

But the man that wrote Invincible was a man about forty, who had not gone through that trial yet, and subsequently, not yet been refined by God through it, and had not yet gained perhaps a new perspective on life and what really matters to him and a greater understanding of himself, like the man of fifty, that he was, before he died.

Maybe she was never interested in those types of things, did not impress her......it is possible that maybe this woman truly only cared about the human being...

Interesting...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

AllForMJ, those are great observations. :flowers: It seems to me it was a very hard season in MJ's life at that time, and Shmuley, and Geller, for all their "spiritual advising" didn't help much, now did they?





Actually this is another song I have not listened to, if I'm remembering correctly. Anyway, I can't pick out a melody in my head for it. I just saw you mention the song and then looked up the lyrics online and then copied them in here. So...they are way off then?

*Breaks down and goes to listen to song for herself*

EDIT: Wow! I love this song! It's true, I had never heard it before. Why didn't he put this on Dangerous? It has such a fun vibe. Love the music it goes out with. I have some thoughts/ideas with what the song might be talkin' about, but I don't hear many of the lyrics clearly, so I probably can't support it through the lyrics. SoS and AllForMJ are the ones better at that.



I know!



And Shabuya, interesting that you brought up Anne of Green Gables. Such a wonderful story. I remember watching the mini-series for the first time with a couple friends back in 1990. I was so affected by the way it ends and the lines that Anne spoke to Gilbert after he explains to her that if she marries him, he can't offer her (I think the words might have been...) "Stars and Bangles" because he would be in his internship for becoming a doctor for several years and they'd have it a little tight financially.


Her very sweet and pointed response was, "I don't care about "Stars and Bangles"...I just want you.

I remember thinking

1. What a beautiful thing for him to hear her say, and

2. What a wonderful kind of love that is.

Her words have always stayed with me (obviously, that's quite a few years ago).

:punk:Impressive

:angel:Heal The World...We Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Very good analysis. I think this song was definitely a message for “her”( a woman in his mind). This is why he even called an album “Invincible” to make “her” to pay attention to such a big event in the music industry????. Maybe he was thinking that way it will get “her” mind to this album? And, the lyrics says about a man beside her. Somehow in MJ mind “she” was not alone anymore and “he was taking "her" across the world”. In the end no matter what he did, she didn’t hear him. It is sad. I really LOVE this song.


Edit:Edit:
Even if she heard him, how in the world she would contact him and how would he recognize her? She would look like another crazy women, trying to reach him. So, once again it is God’s prerogative to deal with things like that. Michael is not the one in this world who didn’t find love. He was a very special one who needed it more..We do not know anything about this world, but it feels like it is not about love imo.

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...We Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Could it, like some other things seem to, serve a dual purpose? I feel so.

Speaking of double messages, did anyone see the thread about the TMZ article about the message with the roses? The, "you make me soooo happy" message he gave to the fans outside his hotel?

It seems that when he said, "I can feel your energy through the walls" he literally meant through the physical structure of the hotel walls!

Interesting how things can be seen when left to interpretation. I don't mean to blow anyone's DMFLITD mood if it did, just goes to show, imho, we can't take everything as having a double meaning, or in some cases, maybe not any "meaning" beyond what the artist feels at a given time.

I still see the "story" (or more than one or two) in the music though. I agree with what you said, Asadora about OMC too. I do feel
he did receive some 'answer' to the 'call' of that song though. In his 'final' song, he seemed to be saying
he got some of his questions answered (when he said, "help me make these mysteries unfold" - the "mystery of where "she'd" been all that time, why she hadn't responded, why he felt her fever from miles around and wondered "why ain't she feelin' me!" in Invincible) -

- in the new song, where he repeats, "you said", in different places, one of those being, "you said you wanted to go with me all the while" - so that tells me he found that out in times more recent than OMC. So in a way, perhaps he got his one more chance at love.


Maybe not the chance to be with her in the fullest sense, but the chance to love "her" and be "loved" by her (maybe not physically) and perhaps in even more meaningful and lasting ways than picking her up in his car to "paint the town", or
things they wanted to say and do to eachother "in the closet"

- wouldn't it be nice if they "met" in a Different kind of "closet" ... *looks away wistfully* ... a spiritual closet

He said
he knew the love was real. :) That's what I love the most. If our interpretations are at all close, then maybe
he did end up feeling he'd gotten his "one more chance at love" afterall, in a way he apparently didn't expect.

I noticed two interpretations of his lyrics in This Is It. One says, "falling in love wasn't my plan" and the other says, "falling in love was in my plan".

Could it be both? With MJ, who knows, and I guess we may as well say why not.

:punk:Wow...love the great thought responses...According to Mr.Jackson's music I have to wholeheartedly agree with most of the analysis being posted...most intriguing to say the least..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Asedora]

Ape, I tried looking for that, too. Hmmm.




Let me try to explain what is meant by "energy" here, if I may.

You probably have heard entertainers describe what they often feel while they are on stage. Some say being in front of a live audience gives a rush. Many say they can feel the energy from the crowd and it feeds their own energy while they perform. Michael Jackson would say that he felt both energy and love coming back at him while he was on stage.

It's this kind of love and energy that I believe he was feeling from his loving fans gathered outside the building. They might have been yelling out his name and saying, 'We love you, Michael!"

I believe his note was letting them know that he could feel their energy even though he was inside...he could feel their energy "through the walls."

See? It has nothing to do with a particular girl. He wanted to bless his fans because their presence and love was blessing him. So he let them know through a note. Kind, huh?

That's my take on it, anyway. :)

EDIT: Although the "roses" might have been in response to something Ape had said in this thread. We like to think that at least 'cause that would be majorly fun if it is the case!

Yeah, I know what energy means for entertainers. We do not know what was the meaning of this note. If it was for fans, it one thing. If it was another msg for her, it is another type of energy.
We do not know for sure was it for fans or not or it has double meaning. Once again, when this note was given to the fans? What was going on in his life? Anybody can answer this question????

[Asedora]

edit: Asedora, I meant to mention, I know what you mean about "falling in love was in my plan" doesn't fit the context of, "I never thought that I would be your lover" and I agree. I'm open to it being both because I view the entire song as a sort of 'mosaic' where pieces don't all necessarily flow in a linear form according to the way I'm hearing it.





For me poetry is not a mosaic, it is river, like water flow. You do not need to put puzzles together in poetry but lines could have double meaning. It is true.This is what I learned from a very young age being interested in poetry. But it is just me again. Everybody is different like I said.:)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[No-Body]

Lully, from what you wrote earlier I understand you have the file I was talking about - Michael's quotes from Boteach's book? If I am not asking too much, could you please upload it somewhere? You can PM me the link, if you want.Thank you so much in advance. I was actually wonderin' where you and the rest of the Brazilian 'gang' - tha and Ash had gone lol. Good to see ya back. Every contribution to this thread is precious.

Btw of Brazil, one of my favorite songs and videos ever is "Santo,santo" by Gloria Estefan and Alexander Pires, one of your co-nationals. I'm sure he's great, I know no other song of his, but from the duet with Gloria I think he's nice, in more ways than one *giggling*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoMyT9mdYI I was familiar only with the Spanish version, but I see from Utube there is also a Portuguese version; it was only fair actually.




I wholeheartedly agree...I learned my lesson the HARD way...

People that have a such kind heart always desire to assist any way they can for a fellow human being when they come to them in there so called "need for help"...Not all the time...but most of the time...it is for a financial reason (s)...

Like I have been told throughout my life...I am too nice, kind hearted and I need to start being (meaner)...but...that is totally NOT my nature.

To make a long story short...I was told by one of my Legal Professors/Legal Studies Association that I am brutally honest about many of my personal experiences in life...and was asked why I am open about certain experiences that I have endured?

Basically, knowledge is growth and if there just one person that I can prevent by making the same mistake that I made then I am making a difference. Make sense? I think so...

Therefore, to address the "trust me" by my personal experiences...Karma...God has a great sense of humor sometimes...

When I left my comfortable life back somewhere around 1993 I needed to find work to support my son and I...(Again to make a very loong story short) I got a job at a very popular Sports Pub & Grille, Catering restaurant washing dishes and delivering Pizza's, Wings, (full menu) making minimum wage and working on my preqs for my college degree. This entity was growing by leaps and bounds...we we slammed practically all day/night 7 days a week...

After a few years I left the resturaunt, I wanted expand on my business experience, wear and tear on my vehicle etc.... the owners explained until they built the new building they would not have anything for me but would like me to be their daytime resturant manager/catering cordinator.

The owners did fulfill their promise, bought some land and built a fabulous building...they searched me out and offered me the position they promised, I kept blowing them off but eventually I ended up taking the position.

Everything was going great this (25 year family business) entity was making about 1.2 million a year...then...around 2002 or 2003 the resturaunt kept having issues with paying the bills...and I'm like whatz going on here...Payroll was bouncing, taxes, electric bill, food bills, etc. etc. you name it...Employees were coming to me whatz going on Susie we have families to feed, bills to pay...

Keep in mind...the family always had their hand out that was nothing new, wasting sooo much money, come to find out the wife (my boss the President of the Company) was lying to where she was spending all the money...(Gambling) Here we thinking she is going to resturaunt conventions but no she was trying for her BIG hit at the casinos.

At this point, the business was in such disarray...I confronted her son serveral times about the problem...he tried somewhat... but it was ultimately "her" business. Her and I would get in screaming matches about was was going on...She tried to get loans, borrow money etc.etc...when all else was exausted guess who she came running to...Although, I did not have much money, I did however have A1 top of the line credit rating.

She made me a promise if I helped save the 25 year business she would STOP gambling, go to gambling anonymous meetings ( I even made the appointment for her), and she would sign promissory notes (which she did and ultimately saved my butt).

Unfortunately, the gambling continued, she kept lying, and the family destroyed the 1.2 million dollar a year business, the employees, in a nut shell they lost everything...

I had to file bankrupcy, and the Federal Bankrupcy Judge almost had be criminally arrested (thank Goodness for those promissory notes)...

People ask WHY? would I invest into a business like that...I have sat back and thought of the whys...

It was a 25 year old business making a good income, had the right location, fabulous loyal employees, the customers (lines standing to get in) but most of all, it was because I cared about the employees, their families, we were a great team, we gave it our all, I truly thought that we could make it work...it was our business..."the back of the house "a kitchen is only as good as its cooks" and in the front of the house is only as good as the bartenders, waiters/waitresses"...It probably would still be here today if it were not for the blood suckers bleeding it dry...

Needless to say, I "was" in financial ruin, my pride, my being was destroyed, and to this day I do beat myself up about it sometimes. But all in all, it was a great business experience while it lasted. I learned allot, got to meet boat loads of people, and I know we all did the best we could considering the circumstances...

The moral of this story...as they say in the business world ACYB (Always Cover Your Butt) stay away from manipulators, liers, thiefs, and when/if you ever want to invest in an entity always protect your credit, and never think/invest with your heart..!


Although I do not wish ill on anyone...but this story goes to show us that WE all eventually reap what we sow...

As far as that boss I told you about...this past year charges were pressed from her best friend, and the District Attorney for forgery, indentity fraud, theft and from what I currently heard from a very reliable source...recently she was caught "again" taking advantage of an elderly woman that she was living with...(the courts are in the process of prosecuting her), the husband is no where to be found (they say probably in Bankok which I wouldn't doubt), the son has lost his wife (divorce), job, been busted for DUI (about 3 times) alcoholic, a drug addict and recently court ordered into rehab.

As for me, although it has been a struggle...I am happy to report that I am recovering slowly but nicely...

:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~


Incredible story there Susie. I'm really sorry for what you went through. Your life story is really impressive. You came out on top. Congrats.:clapping: Those were some brave choices you made and great battles you fought. Truly inspiring, thank you. I'm not sure most of us could have dealt with what you did. I know I probably wouldn't, but life has funny ways about it and until we don't reach certain critical points, we do not know what we are capable of. Thankfully, until now I haven't had to deal with such terrible matters. I hope I won't have to, now or in the future.

The question of trust really is tricky. As you and Michael himself saw on many occasions when people entered his life and didn't have the best intentions (the Chandlers and the Arvizos being the most obvious of cases), people can be really cruel. Caution is an imperative, but we cannot go through life in a complete state of distrust cause that would isolate us.

I am sure you took no delight in seeing the state in which that family ended up. I know vengeance belongs to the Lord and I know He seeks our salvation, not our doom. That is why I pray, not often enough though, for Michael's enemies and all those who have hurt him so much during his life - it is of the utmost importance for their own souls they go before God, if not the world, and admit their mistakes. Their redemption is at stake, but I am sure God in His mercy will take care of everything and everyone.

[Moddie777]

Hi Guys! I've been trying to play catch-up. So glad to see Linda and AllforMJ BACK!!!

We have 3 of our children in various sports, dance and afterschool activities, so I can't be here so much now. I miss it:(

I wanted to share this with you before I have to go. Forgive me for changing the tone, but it applies to you and this thread.

A few weeks ago I was lying in bed thinking real hard about the Dreams I had and their meaning. I was trying to find a link in those dreams with any parts of the Investigation. My instinct has been, there is a link between the two. I also had been wondering if and when I will have another dream to give us more clues perhaps. I was overcome with worry and fear in all the silence with the investigation. I thought about Michael and his soul. I began to pray for answers and to be guided in the right path. I asked God to use me as a vessel in anyway, In my prayer I said I was open. I even prayed to Michael's spirit asking him for another sign. I wanted him to reveal to me anything that was troubling him or anything he wanted us to know, I asked in Jesus name.

After my prayer, I let it go. I remember feeling calm and peaceful for days, you have to understand during this time my family and I are going through the regular drama and issues we( family) face on a day to day basis, which also had me in prayer and asking for direction.

About a week later, a friend called me and asked me to do them a favor. This is no regular friend, I have never met them in person. I know them only through the MJ Fan community online. We, like 2 others have been texting, emailing and talking to one another since June 25th. We all met on these forums years ago and developed a closeness and trust but they never disclosed the kind of info to me as they have since that awful, awful day.

The favor that was asked of me was to contact any Fan Follower and pass along their email to that follower because Michael Jackson's Friend had heard things about them and wanted to get in contact with them with the intent to get their story to The Jackson's and The Los Angeles D.A. My Friend who asked this of me does not post on this forum, they were on another forum looking for the followers and I would be on here doing the same, well it was easy for me, they were on here or at least a couple of them had been. Remember their post and that picture of MJ in that Jacket that one of them made for him?
I jumped at this opportunity to help! I remembered a follower named "Crisa" who had been posting on here! I found her and pmed her!!!! I prayed she would take my pm seriously and respond. She did!!! She replied back! I gave her the email of my Friend who would then put her in contact with whomever it was that wanted to reach the followers.
I WAS TOO FRANTIC AND EXCITED (at the time)TO ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE, WHO on earth is the person who want to reach the followers. I was just happy to be put to use. It felt so good to know, someone other than us cared enough to do something.

My thoughts later were, this friend of our MJ's is a wealthy, hollywood mover and shaker perhaps or could it be a family member not wanting it made public that they were looking for the followers and asking fans to help them? Sounded plausible to me. I moved on with a smile, my heart felt good about what God had done for me.

Then days later, I recieved a Thank You PM from Crisa. She is so sweet. Apparently the followers were in contact with whomever was looking for them and they were pleased about it.

I have only been on the "This is not it" site a couple of times, I was moved to go there today, I was going to register when I got side tracked by what I saw on what looks to be a new page of "Support".

OH my God, do you see what I see? Could Michael have answered our longing question?

will try and come back later after homework and a school project is complete.

[AllForMJ]

Rabbi is a terrible guy I know, but I got this book for myself because:

1. Some dialogues have a very high value for me. It helps to understand his world on a different way and the tragedy of his life. It is very important for me, for my own soul.

2. Rabbi said that all money will go to some kids charity organizations .
If it won’t happen, it will mean to me that Rabbi is a liar in front of the eyes of God and it will be HIS sin, not mine. If Shmuley wants this sin, I do not care. It is his problem now, not mine.
At the same time I am NOT going to see “This Is It” movie, because nobody promised that the money will be used “To Heal The World”. I am not paying a penny to fat cats like AEG and SONY.
This is how I deal with things like that.
Also, my advice if you feel you are not able to ignore weird rabbi’s comments and they will affect you on a bad way DO NOT BUY this book. I doesn’t affect me , I know how to deal with this kind of stuff. No matter what I liked about this book and what I didn’t like, nothing changed. I still love Michael the same, love his music, love him as a person and I deeply admire his talent.
Also, I agree that at the time when Michael was with Shmuley, it was the worst time in MJ life. Shmuley and Geller are not nice ppl. It is very true.

But I wouldn’t say that it somehow affected his relationships with “her” in his lyrics. I wouldn’t apply one to another. In his last album “Invincible” we still have songs like "You Rock My World" , “Butterflies”, “Speechless”.
The Lyrics of “One more chance of love” song in my opinion is more sad than “Invincible” lyrics because it feels like it is his last chance. This is how I understand this song, but everybody is different.

Take care everybody.I, myself, would rather see and hear Michael doing what he enjoyed doing so much. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the footage of him preparing for his record-breaking concert series. I'm looking forward to hearing HIS voice and HIS words as HE graces the stage. I'm looking forward to seeing him smile and I would never trade that in to listen to that obnoxious Rabbi that wants to make weird comments about him.

For the past 39 years of Michael's 40 years of being a professional recording artist, I have done just fine being a fan of his without the Rabbi's presence. Actually, I had never even heard of him until he attached himself to Michael like a leech.

Starting this week, Michael is going to be moving around the world via movie theaters rather than arenas and stadiums. This movie, and whatever else there is of him on film, is going to be the last time to see him alive during his final days. There is no way I could choose reading the Rabbi's words over seeing Michael himself. Just seeing how you used the word terrible to describe this Rabbi is an indicator that he is someone to stay away from in print and in person. I've dealt with people that actually act like that Rabbi and worse, so I already know I don't want to hear anything that he has to say. Plus, I just don't see how degrading Michael with his book is a good way to go about giving to charity. Michael never went around degrading people as a way to give to charity. He just gave.

Now, about healing the world. With Michael having such a massive fan base, being able to see him again is going to bring about a sense of healing. His massive fan base reaches all ends of this earth. It has billions of people in it and his massive global fan base has been grieving because he passed away abruptly. His fan base needs some sense of closure and there is nothing that this Rabbi has been saying to help.

Only seeing Michael doing what he enjoyed doing is going to help. He will be revealing on his own that he was happy. Seeing him happy makes his fan base happy. Yes, many of us will be smiling at the same time that we are wiping away our tears, but it will be because his will be greatly missed. When this Rabbi passes away, the world is not going to give him the same response as it will give Michael, and you can bet on that.

If reading the Rabbi's book alone has been able to console you, that is fine. But, I'd much rather see, with my own eyes, Michael having fun again. He waited over 15 years to have fun again.

In regards to AEG, Sony and the Rabbi making money, this is how I view it...

It is normal for a concert promoter to make money off of a concert that they had put money into. It is normal for a music company to make money off of a recording artist that they had signed to their record label. It is not normal for a Rabbi to make money off of publically degrading someone that privately came to them to be spiritually uplifted because their soul was weary.

What that Rabbi is doing with his book is unethical in every sense of the word, and it is very troubling to see a person such as him carrying the title of Rabbi to make people think that he is someone that can be trusted with souls.

I would trust Michael with my soul well before I would even consider thinking about trusting that Rabbi. Michael has a sound track record to prove that his intentions have only been good. He actually made a difference while he was here on earth. We all are still benefiting from his work and he did it without the Rabbi.

This is for that Rabbi that does not speak as a Rabbi...

Ephesians 4:29
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

[Lainy]

Lully, from what you wrote earlier I understand you have the file I was talking about - Michael's quotes from Boteach's book? If I am not asking too much, could you please upload it somewhere? You can PM me the link, if you want.Thank you so much in advance. I was actually wonderin' where you and the rest of the Brazilian 'gang' - tha and Ash had gone lol. Good to see ya back. Every contribution to this thread is precious.

Shabuya :hug:

Thank you for feel miss the Brazilian gang! lol In this moment I must confess that I'm feel important! :king2: *play* :laugh:

Of course I can send you the link by PM will do that now. Michael's quote are very
interesting...


Btw of Brazil, one of my favorite songs and videos ever is "Santo,santo" by Gloria Estefan and Alexander Pires, one of your co-nationals. I'm sure he's great, I know no other song of his, but from the duet with Gloria I think he's nice, in more ways than one *giggling*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoMyT9mdYI I was familiar only with the Spanish version, but I see from Utube there is also a Portuguese version; it was only fair actually.

WOW Thanks for posting this song, the Alexandre Pires voice's very beautiful and he's a very... *laughs* you know... lol :D
Speaking in duets with brasilian, yesterday I was watching a program national (watch TV isn't really my habit, I prefer Disney movies... remembered the Lily now lol) and saw this song Entreolhares (The Way You're Looking At Me) by Ana Carolina and John Legend... gorgeous song... :blush: if you want listen this song here is the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZ0JBp4wWE&feature=related

Sdeidjs, Congratulations and thanks for sharing us! You should be proud of all that lived and went out victorious! His life experience is an courage example. You're really amazing woman. :give_rose:

Moddie777 I'm anxious to see what you have to say us! :yes:

PS: Besides Ash and Tha, I'm feeling miss of Linda and MP in this discussion :mellow:

[Asedora]

I, myself, would rather see and hear Michael doing what he enjoyed doing so much. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the footage of him preparing for his record-breaking concert series. I'm looking forward to hearing HIS voice and HIS words as HE graces the stage. I'm looking forward to seeing him smile and I would never trade that in to listen to that obnoxious Rabbi that wants to make weird comments about him.

For the past 39 years of Michael's 40 years of being a professional recording artist, I have done just fine being a fan of his without the Rabbi's presence. Actually, I had never even heard of him until he attached himself to Michael like a leech.

Starting this week, Michael is going to be moving around the world via movie theaters rather than arenas and stadiums. This movie, and whatever else there is of him on film, is going to be the last time to see him alive during his final days. There is no way I could choose reading the Rabbi's words over seeing Michael himself. Just seeing how you used the word terrible to describe this Rabbi is an indicator that he is someone to stay away from in print and in person. I've dealt with people that actually act like that Rabbi and worse, so I already know I don't want to hear anything that he has to say. Plus, I just don't see how degrading Michael with his book is a good way to go about giving to charity. Michael never went around degrading people as a way to give to charity. He just gave.

Now, about healing the world. With Michael having such a massive fan base, being able to see him again is going to bring about a sense of healing. His massive fan base reaches all ends of this earth. It has billions of people in it and his massive global fan base has been grieving because he passed away abruptly. His fan base needs some sense of closure and there is nothing that this Rabbi has been saying to help.

Only seeing Michael doing what he enjoyed doing is going to help. He will be revealing on his own that he was happy. Seeing him happy makes his fan base happy. Yes, many of us will be smiling at the same time that we are wiping away our tears, but it will be because his will be greatly missed. When this Rabbi passes away, the world is not going to give him the same response as it will give Michael, and you can bet on that.

If reading the Rabbi's book alone has been able to console you, that is fine. But, I'd much rather see, with my own eyes, Michael having fun again. He waited over 15 years to have fun again.

In regards to AEG, Sony and the Rabbi making money, this is how I view it...

It is normal for a concert promoter to make money off of a concert that they had put money into. It is normal for a music company to make money off of a recording artist that they had signed to their record label. It is not normal for a Rabbi to make money off of publically degrading someone that privately came to them to be spiritually uplifted because their soul was weary.

What that Rabbi is doing with his book is unethical in every sense of the word, and it is very troubling to see a person such as him carrying the title of Rabbi to make people think that he is someone that can be trusted with souls.

I would trust Michael with my soul well before I would even consider thinking about trusting that Rabbi. Michael has a sound track record to prove that his intentions have only been good. He actually made a difference while he was here on earth. We all are still benefiting from his work and he did it without the Rabbi.

You didn’t understand what my post was about. It is nothing to do with rabbi per say. Rabbi gets money from my hands, if he is not going to use it for charities, it is his SIN not mine. He promised that he will give money for charity and by this very personal act of buying this book I gave rabbi a chance in front of eyes of God to do at least something good in his life. He is very religious and I let just him be. If this book was written by Uri Geller, I would never buy it but because it was written by a person who pretends to be deeply religious and trying to teach ppl high values, I bought it. I know exactly who he is, but I want to give him a chance. Why not? God will take of it later.
This is kind of moral and philosophical angle how I look at this situation.

Also, dialogues and MJ personal thoughts have much more higher value for me than watching him dancing and performing. Fans want to enjoy watching him, then just go ahead, I do not need it for myself. For me it is too soon to watch him being happy at his last days. Nobody was punished for this murder yet nobody is in jail. For me it is too soon to enjoy this movie.

Like I said, I am not paying a penny to Sony and AEG sharks. They also probably were involved in Michael death as well. They are making millions of dollars now from his death and no one promised that one single penny will go to charities.. It is sick. I do not want to be involved in it. Sorry. But like I said, everybody is different.
I do not judge anybody. Everybody does things according own believes, preference and some moral values.

[AllForMJ]

You didn’t understand what my post was about. It is nothing to do with rabbi per say. Rabbi gets money from my hands, if he is not going to use it for charities, it is his SIN not mine. He promised that he will give money for charity and by this very personal act of buying this book I gave rabbi a chance in front of eyes of God to do at least something good in his life. He is very religious and I let just him be. If this book was written by Uri Geller, I would never buy it but because it was written by a person who pretends to be deeply religious and trying to teach ppl high values, I bought it. I know exactly who he is, but I want to give him a chance. Why not? God will take of it later.
This is kind of moral and philosophical angle how I look at this situation.

Also, dialogues and MJ personal thoughts have much more higher value for me than watching him dancing and performing. Fans want to enjoy watching him, then just go ahead, I do not need it for myself. For me it is too soon to watch him being happy at his last days. Nobody was punished for this murder yet nobody is in jail. For me it is too soon to enjoy this movie.

Like I said, I am not paying a penny to Sony and AEG sharks. They also probably were involved in Michael death as well. They are making millions of dollars now from his death and no one promised that one single penny will go to charities.. It is sick. I do not want to be involved in it. Sorry. But like I said, everybody is different.
I do not judge anybody. Everybody does things according own believes, preference and some moral values.
That's okay. Will you do me a favor, Asedora?

When those of us in this thread that are going to see Michael showing that he was happy start discussing it in this thread, will you let us at least enjoy it?

This thread was never about the Rabbi's book. It was about Michael Jackson singing about being in love and showing signs of it.

[tha]

Hello! :popout:

I've been following the posts of you and I'm enjoying it! You always have points of view very interesting, the words of you are deep, so deep that I really feel touched by that!
I confess I was surprised to have been noticed my absence! :wub: Thanks!!! ;)

I'm kinda sick these days and I think my disease is beyond anything clinical! :worried:
I have different beliefs from you about the "death" of Michael, but these days there is a hole in my soul! :( I feel very strange and I don't know how to explain! At the same time I feel very close to Michael, I feel very far! :(
I'm so lonely and the only person who could help me, can not do this or just don't want do it! :(

Sorry for those words! I don't want to bother anyone with it, but I have to let my pain go away a little from inside! Keep it so for me, suffocated me and sickens me more!

Being "the clown" at times makes me tired and even if I try always leave a hidden sadness behind the smile, it's hard!
And that reminds me of the song "The Tears Of A Clown" by Smokey Robinson that a very special person "submitted" it for me! :closedeyes:

Again, sorry for this! :(

I like you all people! I really like! And, Lully, you know how special you are to me! :wub:

Anyway....The Gang Brazilian is back! ;)

[Sdeidjs]

What an experience! And what stands out to me is how invaluable you were to this family business. You obviously were a very loyal, capable, efficient, and hard working employee. These are things to look back on and be very proud of regardless of the destructive double life of another.

Thanks for sharing. :flowers:

Queen G,
I basically was running a business that was not mine, but had no control over how the the finances were being spent. All the vet (thirty) employees were very hard working, capable, loyal, and we always thought of each other as family...

Despite this entities short comings...it sure was an experience, I enjoyed being part of a very hard working entrepreneurship that many only think of as a true American Dream.

Literally working my way from the ground up...the knowledge & experience that I have learned in the approximately 12 years (1993 -2005) that I was employed there is truly an invaluable business management asset that no one can or will ever be able to take away.

Thank You for all your kind world...and your very welcome..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lainy]

Asedora and AllForMJ Sorry for my intrusion .. but I must state my opinion ...

Really this thread isn't to discuss the Rabbi book's and yes about love ... but I believe that the diversity opinions and all forms expression are welcome, therefore, I find interesting talk about it too.

We're all aware that Rabbi doesn't deserve our credibility, so what I think that his comments doesn't affect us in nothin, I say for me of course. The things that Michael speak are very interesting, make us reflect... :yes:

But who wants to have access Michael's conversations does not buy the Rabbi's book, download it lol :lol:

As for the This is It movie, will be very interesting watch it, because I think that it will address important things make us think about all that is before our eyes... :D

Unsurprisingly I have different views of the majority, therefore, don't me throw tomatoes for this... lol :unsure: just my opinion :cheeky:

:wild:
Tha, I hope you are better... I love you so much and you are not alone, I'm here with you! :hug:

[Asedora]

That's okay. Will you do me a favor, Asedora?

When those of us in this thread that are going to see Michael showing that he was happy start discussing it in this thread, will you let us at least enjoy it?

This thread was never about the Rabbi's book. It was about Michael Jackson singing about being in love and showing signs of it.

Your post sounds kind of judgmental to me. I am not taking your joy away from you and I promise I am not going to discuss TII movie here with anybody. For TII movie MJJC has a different forum also. As far as I know this thread was about MJ personal relationship with “her” and his dialogues from rabbi’s book perfectly fit in this discussion. If you found my posts are not interesting just do not answer, ignore them. I do not know why you trying to make such a big deal of it? I guess my personal points of view, some moral aspects and my explanation why I got this book bother you more than anything else. I do not know why, but whatever…. This is it.

[tha]

Asedora and AllForMJ Sorry for my intrusion .. but I must state my opinion ...

Really this thread isn't to discuss the Rabbi book's and yes about love ... but I believe that the diversity opinions and all forms expression are welcome, therefore, I find interesting talk about it too.

We're all aware that Rabbi doesn't deserve our credibility, so what I think that his comments doesn't affect us in nothin, I say for me of course. The things that Michael speak are very interesting, make us reflect... :yes:

:yes: :clapping:


As for the This is It movie, will be very interesting watch it, because I think that it will address important things make us think about all that is before our eyes... :D

:rolleyes:


Tha, I hope you are better... I love you so much and you are not alone, I'm here with you! :hug:

Love u 2, honey! :wub:

[Sdeidjs]

Lully, from what you wrote earlier I understand you have the file I was talking about - Michael's quotes from Boteach's book? If I am not asking too much, could you please upload it somewhere? You can PM me the link, if you want.Thank you so much in advance. I was actually wonderin' where you and the rest of the Brazilian 'gang' - tha and Ash had gone lol. Good to see ya back. Every contribution to this thread is precious.

Btw of Brazil, one of my favorite songs and videos ever is "Santo,santo" by Gloria Estefan and Alexander Pires, one of your co-nationals. I'm sure he's great, I know no other song of his, but from the duet with Gloria I think he's nice, in more ways than one *giggling*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoMyT9mdYI I was familiar only with the Spanish version, but I see from Utube there is also a Portuguese version; it was only fair actually.






Incredible story there Susie. I'm really sorry for what you went through. Your life story is really impressive. You came out on top. Congrats.:clapping:
Those were some brave choices you made and great battles you fought. Truly inspiring, thank you. I'm not sure most of us could have dealt with what you did. I know I probably wouldn't, but
life has funny ways about it and until we don't reach certain critical points, we do not know what we are capable of. Thankfully, until now I haven't had to deal with such terrible matters. I hope I won't have to, now or in the future.

The
question of trust really is tricky.
As you and Michael himself saw on many occasions when people entered his life and didn't have the best intentions (the Chandlers and the Arvizos being the most obvious of cases), people can be really cruel. Caution is an imperative, but we cannot go through life in a complete state of distrust cause that would isolate us. I am sure you took no delight in seeing the state in which that family ended up. I know vengeance belongs to the Lord and I know He seeks our salvation, not our doom. That is why I pray, not often enough though, for Michael's enemies and all those who have hurt him so much during his life - it is of the utmost importance for their own souls they go before God, if not the world, and admit their mistakes. Their redemption is at stake, but I am sure
God in His mercy will take care of everything and everyone.

It just goes to show each and everyone of us...that life is not always a bowl of cherries...

"I once told "my very best friend" that sometimes when things happen in our life we ask God why is this happening..? Why must I go through this?

God only gives us as much as he knows what we can handle...He will give us the strength, guidance, courage, and the tools to overcome the wicked to achieve their rules..!"

I have experienced enough things in my life to truly believe in the power and might that comes from what we reap is what we truly sow..!

Thank You for your very kind words...

This woman has the patience of a Saint..and the strength of a Bull...Giggles~~~

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Asedora]

Brazilian ppl always look happy to me. I love it LOL :)

[Moddie777]

Shabuya :hug:

Thank you for feel miss the Brazilian gang! lol In this moment I must confess that I'm feel important! :king2: *play* :laugh:

Of course I can send you the link by PM will do that now. Michael's quote are very
interesting...



WOW Thanks for posting this song, the Alexandre Pires voice's very beautiful and he's a very... *laughs* you know... lol :D
Speaking in duets with brasilian, yesterday I was watching a program national (watch TV isn't really my habit, I prefer Disney movies... remembered the Lily now lol) and saw this song Entreolhares (The Way You're Looking At Me) by Ana Carolina and John Legend... gorgeous song... :blush: if you want listen this song here is the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZ0JBp4wWE&feature=related

Sdeidjs, Congratulations and thanks for sharing us! You should be proud of all that lived and went out victorious! His life experience is an courage example. You're really amazing woman. :give_rose:

Moddie777 I'm anxious to see what you have to say us! :yes:

PS: Besides Ash and Tha, I'm feeling miss of Linda and MP in this discussion :mellow:

Thanks Lully for acknowledging the post. I'm afraid I don't have anything further to say about it. I think without spoken words, Michael's spirit with the help of a higher being have said it all.

It can be interpreted in anyway depending upon the different level(s) of understanding each of us have with what we individually see as clues from Michael.

[tha]

It just goes to show each and everyone of us...that life is not always a bowl of cherries...

"I once told "my very best friend" that sometimes when things happen in our life we ask God why is this happening..? Why must I go through this?

God only gives us as much as he knows what we can handle...He will give us the strength, guidance, courage, and the tools to overcome the wicked to achieve their rules..!"

I have experienced enough things in my life to truly believe in the power and might that comes from what we reap is what we truly sow..!



:clapping:


Brazilian ppl always look happy to me. I love it LOL :)

Yeah! We are! :yes: :D

[Moddie777]

tha,

I hope you are alright. I understand your feelings. I will include you in my prayers tonight.

[Moddie777]

:clapping:



Yeah! We are! :yes: :D


Look at how fast God Works!!! You have a happy face smile. And we posted at the same time!

[tha]

tha,

I hope you are alright. I understand your feelings. I will include you in my prayers tonight.

Thanks, honey! It makes me feel good!


Look at how fast God Works!!! You have a happy face smile. And we posted at the same time!

I'm trying to be fine! And no matters how difficult it could be, I'll never give up the fight, I'll go the distance! ;) "Disembosom" helps a lot!

And yes....we posted at the same time! ^_^

One more time, thanks!

God Bless You! :angel:

[Asedora]

God only gives us as much as he knows what we can handle...He will give us the strength, guidance, courage, and the tools to overcome the wicked to achieve their rules..!"

I have experienced enough things in my life to truly believe in the power and might that comes from what we reap is what we truly sow..!

Thank You for your very kind words...

This woman has the patience of a Saint..and the strength of a Bull...Giggles~~~

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~


I went through many terrible things in my life too. Sometimes it looks like a movie to me and I was in this movie by mistake.
And I always think about Michael. I think God gave him too much. I do not know
how he could handle it. It is just too much for one person.

[tha]

I went through many terrible things in my life too. Sometimes it looks like a movie to me and I was in this movie by mistake.
And I always think about Michael. I think God gave him too much. I do not know
how he could handle it. It is just too much for one person.


God gives us the cross with the weight and size that we can carry! [b]Michael goes through all these things in life because God knows he can handle, he can overcome! I'd like that his life was a highway of clouds, to that he could walk softly, but without such tests of God in his life, he would not be the man he is today!
Everything has a reason to happen, nothing is an accident or punishment, is just our destiny! ;)

[Lily]

OH my God, do you see what I see? Could Michael have answered our longing question?


imo Moddie, I don't think she is it. I think she wants to be it. I also don't see what her motives are for all of that. This is the largest MJ website in the world. All the people she speaks of giving info to are already here viewing it for themself, this place is full of moles, and besides that, that website has already made contact with the press to get their message out. imo Like so many others we've seen, I think people seek opportunities and there's something else behind her behavior. I don't get why she feels the need to put out a press release either, but maybe that's just me. :mello: Oh well, I could be wrong, I'm just going to keep minding my own. :)



I'm kinda sick these days and I think my disease is beyond anything clinical! :worried:
I have different beliefs from you about the "death" of Michael, but these days there is a hole in my soul! :( I feel very strange and I don't know how to explain! At the same time I feel very close to Michael, I feel very far! :(
I'm so lonely and the only person who could help me, can not do this or just don't want do it! :(

Sorry for those words! I don't want to bother anyone with it, but I have to let my pain go away a little from inside! Keep it so for me, suffocated me and sickens me more!

Being "the clown" at times makes me tired and even if I try always leave a hidden sadness behind the smile, it's hard!


*HUG* Tha, I know the feeling, especially the highlighted part I'm always the "strong one" that EVERYONE turns to in my life, always happy, optimistic, helpful and there for everyone, but I'm very tired lately and really wish I were invisible sometimes. -_- Oh well, painting and reading all weekend has been great relaxation and mind therapy for me, as well as distancing myself from being online here.....

A quote we should all keep in our heart.....

"When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time"

I hope you feel better soon. :flowers:

Goodnight everyone. :)

[8701girl]

A quote we should all keep in our heart.....

"When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time"


Aww :wub: that is so sweet

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[tha]

*HUG* Tha, I know the feeling, especially the highlighted part I'm always the "strong one" that EVERYONE turns to in my life, always happy, optimistic, helpful and there for everyone, but I'm very tired lately and really wish I were invisible sometimes. -_- Oh well, painting and reading all weekend has been great relaxation and mind therapy for me, as well as distancing myself from being online here.....

Be invisible would be a great idea! :worried:


A quote we should all keep in our heart.....

"When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time"

This is perfect, Lilly! :)


I hope you feel better soon. :flowers:

Thanks, honey! I'm trying....and I'll be fine! Thanks, thanks, thanks! Just because you read my "outburst" has been of great help! :flowers:


Goodnight everyone. :)

Goodnight! ;)




And people.....I wrote in a post that "The Brazilian Gang is Back" but it is untrue! We need Ash to complete the gang, so Ash.....we're waiting for you! ^_^

[8701girl]

cavemen on bear rugs
:bugeyed :huh:

[Asedora]

Everything has a reason to happen, nothing is an accident or punishment, is just our destiny! ;)

I wish to believe in it very badly. But I get a bit skeptical . Sometimes it looks like the universe works like a big gambling machine, somebody wins, somebody loses.

[Lainy]

Brazilian ppl always look happy to me. I love it LOL :)

aww :hug:


Thanks Lully for acknowledging the post. I'm afraid I don't have anything further to say about it. I think without spoken words, Michael's spirit with the help of a higher being have said it all.

It can be interpreted in anyway depending upon the different level(s) of understanding each of us have with what we individually see as clues from Michael.

It's Truth, I agree :yes:
Your posts are very interesting!


Originally Posted by Lily
A quote we should all keep in our heart.....

"When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time"

so beautiful :wub:
:hug: Lily, you are not alone, I'm here with you too!


And people.....I wrote in a post that "The Brazilian Gang is Back" but it is untrue! We need Ash to complete the gang, so Ash.....we're waiting for you! ^_^

:lol: It's true! Ash just lack you!

[8701girl]

I wish to believe in it very badly. But I get a bit skeptical . Sometimes it looks like the universe works like a big gambling machine, somebody wins, somebody loses.


Your so right there :yes:

[tha]

I wish to believe in it very badly. But I get a bit skeptical . Sometimes it looks like the universe works like a big gambling machine, somebody wins, somebody loses.

I know the difficulties make us somewhat discredited, but you need don't think so, no! There aren't loses in life! We are all winners! :yes:

The lyrics of this song always makes me feel better! So, I hope it makes the same with you:

WELCOME TO WHEREVER YOU ARE - Bon Jovi

Maybe we're all different but we're still the same
We all got the blood of Eden running through our veins
I know sometimes it's hard for you to see
You're caught between just who you are and who you want to be

If you feel alone and lost and need a friend
Remember every new beginning is some beginning's end

Welcome to wherever you are
This is your life; you made it this far
Welcome, you got to believe
That right here, right now
You're exactly where you're supposed to be
Welcome to wherever you are

When everybody's in and you're left out
And you feel you're drowning in the shadow of a doubt
Everyone's a miracle in their own way
Just listen to yourself, not what other people say

When it's seems you're lost, alone and feeling down
Remember everybody's different; just take a look around

Welcome to wherever you are
This is your life; you made it this far
Welcome, you got to believe
Right here, right now
You're exactly where you're supposed to be

Be who you want to be
Be who you are
Everyone's a hero
Everyone's a star

When you want to give up and your heart's about to break
Remember that you're perfect; God makes no mistakes


:wub:

[AllForMJ]

Your post sounds kind of judgmental to me. I am not taking your joy away from you and I promise I am not going to discuss TII movie here with anybody. For TII movie MJJC has a different forum also. As far as I know this thread was about MJ personal relationship with “her” and his dialogues from rabbi’s book perfectly fit in this discussion. If you found my posts are not interesting just do not answer, ignore them. I do not know why you trying to make such a big deal of it? I guess my personal points of view, some moral aspects and my explanation why I got this book bother you more than anything else. I do not know why, but whatever…. This is it.
Speaking of "This Is It," some months ago Summer ran across the following from an interview that Michael did with TV Guide. He did this interview a couple of years before releasing his "Invincible" CD.

TV Guide: Do you think you'll marry again?

Michael: That would be nice.

TV Guide: What would make the third time the charm?

Michael: It just has to hit me. You have to see that person and go, "This is it. This is the one."

What Michael said in this interview contradicts what the Rabbi said about the pure love he gets from children being all that he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Michael said getting married again would have been nice. Isn't romance a part of marriage, Asedora?

Also, the song that has been recently brought forth...although it is being said that the executors picked it... it still falls right in place with the type of songs that Michael has been releasing from 2003 on up to just recently about being in love. This song that he registered with BMI under the title "I Never Heard" not only repeats the words this is it, but it also says "Falling in love wasn't my plan" and this line reiterates the answer that he gave the interviewer when asked what would make the third time a charm.

The name for Michael's concert is "This Is It" and it is very interesting to see that the song that was chosen to be released with these particular words ended up being a love song.

It is also interesting that what Michael said about getting married again contradicts the Rabbi.

[Sdeidjs]

Shabuya :hug:

Thank you for feel miss the Brazilian gang! lol In this moment I must confess that I'm feel important! :king2: *play* :laugh:

Of course I can send you the link by PM will do that now. Michael's quote are very
interesting...



WOW Thanks for posting this song, the Alexandre Pires voice's very beautiful and he's a very... *laughs* you know... lol :D
Speaking in duets with brasilian, yesterday I was watching a program national (watch TV isn't really my habit, I prefer Disney movies... remembered the Lily now lol) and saw this song Entreolhares (The Way You're Looking At Me) by Ana Carolina and John Legend... gorgeous song... :blush: if you want listen this song here is the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZ0JBp4wWE&feature=related


Sdeidjs, Congratulations and thanks for sharing us! You should be proud of all that lived and went out victorious! His life experience is an courage example. You're really amazing woman. :give_rose:

Moddie777 I'm anxious to see what you have to say us! :yes:

PS: Besides Ash and Tha, I'm feeling miss of Linda and MP in this discussion :mellow:

Awwe...golly gee willickers...Thank You for all your very kind words...

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[tha]

Speaking of "This Is It," some months ago Summer ran across the following from an interview that Michael did with TV Guide. He did this interview a couple of years before releasing his "Invincible" CD.

TV Guide: Do you think you'll marry again?

Michael: That would be nice.

TV Guide: What would make the third time the charm?

Michael: It just has to hit me. You have to see that person and go, "This is it. This is the one."

What Michael said in this interview contradicts what the Rabbi said about the pure love he gets from children being all that he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Michael said getting married again would have been nice. Isn't romance a part of marriage, Asedora?

Also, the song that has been recently brought forth...although it is being said that the executors picked it... it still falls right in place with the type of songs that Michael has been releasing from 2003 on up to just recently about being in love. This song that he registered with BMI under the title "I Never Heard" not only repeats the words this is it, but it also says "Falling in love wasn't my plan" and this line reiterates the answer that he gave the interviewer when asked what would make the third time a charm.

The name for Michael's concert is "This Is It" and it is very interesting to see that the song that was chosen to be released with these particular words ended up being a love song.

It is also interesting that what Michael said about getting married again contradicts the Rabbi.

:rolleyes2:

[Lainy]

I wish to believe in it very badly. But I get a bit skeptical . Sometimes it looks like the universe works like a big gambling machine, somebody wins, somebody loses.

In a way is how things work, but we have believe that everything God does is for our good! Believe, we learn much more with the difficult times we spent. Real proof of this is Michael, how many difficulties he faced and all he came out victorious! I think If God did not showed a love until now, is because He is preparing something bigger for Michael.:)

[Sdeidjs]

Hello! :popout:

I've been following the posts of you and I'm enjoying it! You always have points of view very interesting, the words of you are deep, so deep that I really feel touched by that!
I confess I was surprised to have been noticed my absence! :wub: Thanks!!! ;)

I'm kinda sick these days and I think my disease is beyond anything clinical! :worried:
I have different beliefs from you about the "death" of Michael, but
these days there is a hole in my soul! :( I feel very strange and I don't know how to explain! At the same time I feel very close to Michael, I feel very far! :(
I'm so lonely and the only person who could help me, can not do this or just don't want do it! :(

Sorry for those words! I don't want to bother anyone with it, but I have to let my pain go away a little from inside! Keep it so for me, suffocated me and sickens me more!

Being "the clown" at times makes me tired and even if I try always leave a hidden sadness behind the smile, it's hard!
And that reminds me of the song "The Tears Of A Clown" by Smokey Robinson that a very special person "submitted" it for me! :closedeyes:

Again, sorry for this! :(

I like you all people! I really like! And, Lully, you know how special you are to me! :wub:

Anyway....The Gang Brazilian is back! ;)

A gift of sunshine for you...hope this helps...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tknUDdD9zCo

as Mr.Jackson always says..."Always Keep The Faith"

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Sdeidjs]

I went through many terrible things in my life too. Sometimes it looks like a movie to me and I was in this movie by mistake.
And I always think about Michael. I think God gave him too much. I do not know
how he could handle it. It is just too much for one person.

When one (s) has always had God by their side...There is NO STOPPING US..!

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

God gives us the cross with the weight and size that we can carry! [b]Michael goes through all these things in life because God knows he can handle, he can overcome! I'd like that his life was a highway of clouds, to that he could walk softly, but without such tests of God in his life, he would not be the man he is today!
Everything has a reason to happen, nothing is an accident or punishment, is just our destiny! ;)

:punk:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[tha]

A gift of sunshine for you...hope this helps...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tknUDdD9zCo

as Mr.Jackson always says..."Always Keep The Faith"

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Oh, my dear! Your songs always makes me feel well!!! I loved it! Thanks!
God Bless You! :angel:


AllForMJ, what are your impressions of the This Is It song? Do you think it sounds like a "gentle goodbye" to someone, or like I read it described somewhere today, that it has a "lovesick" feel to it, or do you think it sounds like there is optimism going on, or talking outloud trying to work out "confusion?"

What are your thoughts? Would you like to share? Or are you not there yet? :)

Do you believe that I not have one opinion about the "This Is It" yet?! :P Actually, I'm increasingly confused about this song! :scratch:

[Asedora]

Speaking of "This Is It," some months ago Summer ran across the following from an interview that Michael did with TV Guide. He did this interview a couple of years before releasing his "Invincible" CD.

TV Guide: Do you think you'll marry again?

Michael: That would be nice.

TV Guide: What would make the third time the charm?

Michael: It just has to hit me. You have to see that person and go, "This is it. This is the one."

What Michael said in this interview contradicts what the Rabbi said about the pure love he gets from children being all that he really needs and he doesn’t want any other love and romance in his life.

Michael said getting married again would have been nice. Isn't romance a part of marriage, Asedora?

Also, the song that has been recently brought forth...although it is being said that the executors picked it... it still falls right in place with the type of songs that Michael has been releasing from 2003 on up to just recently about being in love. This song that he registered with BMI under the title "I Never Heard" not only repeats the words this is it, but it also says "Falling in love wasn't my plan" and this line reiterates the answer that he gave the interviewer when asked what would make the third time a charm.

The name for Michael's concert is "This Is It" and it is very interesting to see that the song that was chosen to be released with these particular words ended up being a love song.

It is also interesting that what Michael said about getting married again contradicts the Rabbi.

Rabbi didn't say anything about it, he just asked MJ what he thinks about love and romance. Michael said it HIMSELF that he gets pure love from children and
he doesn't need anything else. Also he said that he is in love with innocence.

Besides, Michael said that he truly loves his fans and feels love he gets from them.
What you posted is interesting, but it was not a private dialogue, it was not a confession sort of.

I really want to know why Michael choose to call his final tour "This is it" Maybe it was related to this song? But again, everybody understands the lyrics of this song very different.
From my point of view, this lyrics doesn't have indication that he was in love with somebody.
It is a mystery, that they released it after his death. And it is even bigger mystery that
it was recorded as a duet but just his voice, his piano accompaniment and different lyrics appeared on the original tape they found. Then they adjusted it in studio to make it sound like orchestra version etc. The original tape had just his voice and piano, nothing else. Few pages back, I posted a link about it.


PS. I would never put one single rabbi word into this thread.

[Asedora]

In a way is how things work, but we have believe that everything God does is for our good! Believe, we learn much more with the difficult times we spent. Real proof of this is Michael, how many difficulties he faced and all he came out victorious! I think If God did not showed a love until now, is because He is preparing something bigger for Michael.:)

I wish to believe it. I wish God will take care of Michael. And not just of Michael of every person who suffered trough their lives in this Earth. It just so sad sometimes to see what some ppl are going trough. And if it is nothing after, I am OK with this too. I have to accept whatever comes. If it is nothing after, then nothing really matters. It is even easier that way. One thing is clear, nobody stays here forever. It makes us equal at this point, rich and poor, sick and healthy etc.
But yes, I believe in God. There is nothing else to believe in. I believe that everything has been created and nothing comes from chaos. I do not believe that DNA and everythig cames from something disorganized, complete mess.

“I gave you life of spirit in the place of wind and water” – this was written in one Egyptian manuscript.

[Lily]

I think when we read or interpret things that are said in interviews or lyrics to songs we should also keep in mind that sometimes we as people say things or react a certain way one day and those thoughts, feelings, wishes may change another day, depending on mood, whomever we may be speaking to, environment we're in, life experiences, etc...time changes us.....I think MJ was very honest in both things he said, he has his babies, his pure love and true happiness from his children, maybe that is all he felt he needed. But it seems he also knew that if something else like true love came into his life he would just have to know, this is it, and he kept himself open to that as well. imo I think when he was being spoken to in both of the examples given it was moreso about what he may have been feeling at a particular moment in time. I just don't see him closing himself off to love on any level, if anything he was quite open to it imo.

Oh well, jmo. :)




“I gave you life of spirit in the place of wind and water” – this was written in one Egyptian manuscript.

This is beautiful, thanks for posting it. :)

[Asedora]

I think everybody will be very interested in this:

1.
Speaking of "This Is It," some months ago Summer ran across the following from an interview that Michael did with TV Guide. He did this interview a couple of years before releasing his "Invincible" CD.

TV Guide: Do you think you'll marry again?

Michael: That would be nice.

TV Guide: What would make the third time the charm?

Michael: It just has to hit me. You have to see that person and go, "This is it. This is the one."


2.
From Kenny Ortega recent interview:

How did that project come about?
For two years, Michael and I had been discussing, day-dreaming and lunching on potential ideas. And then one day I got a telephone call from him and he said “This is it, this is the one.” This was going to be his final curtain call. Together we invited artists from all around the world to join us – he inspired all of us to think outside of the box and to take the journey with him.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79722

[Sdeidjs]

Oh, my dear!

Your songs always makes me feel well!!! I loved it! Thanks!
God Bless You! :angel:



Do you believe that I not have one opinion about the "This Is It" yet?! :P Actually, I'm increasingly confused about this song! :scratch:

:better:

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

Interesting catch Asedora.

And both statements were at different stages in his life, several years apart, yet that message stayed the same, but did the meaning as well? Timing is interesting isn't it. :)

[Sdeidjs]

I was researching some interesting scientific facts and came across this information that may fit into the BIG picture of this thread...

Yes, I am a bit deep at times...but...like my "very best friend" always told me...its always good to look outside the box and evaluate the knowledge that has always been right in front of us...

Binary star

A binary star is a star system (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Star_system) consisting of two stars (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Star) orbiting (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Orbit) around their common center of mass (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Center_of_mass). The brighter star is called the primary and the other is its companion star, comes,or secondary.

Binary star systems are very important in astrophysics (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Astrophysics) because calculations of their orbits allow the masses (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Mass) of their component stars to be directly determined, which in turn allows other stellar parameters, such as radius and density, to be indirectly estimated. This also determines an empirical mass-luminosity relationship (MLR) from which the masses of single stars can be estimated.

Binary stars are often detected optically, in which case they are called visual binaries. Many visual binaries have long orbital periods of several centuries or millennia and therefore have orbits which are uncertain.

If a binary star happens to orbit in a plane along our line of sight, its components will mutually eclipse (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Eclipse) and transit (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Astronomical_transit) each other; these pairs are called eclipsing binaries, or, as they are detected by their changes in brightness during eclipses and transits, photometric binaries.

The term binary was first used in this context by Sir William Herschel (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/William_Herschel) in 1802, when he wrote:

"If, on the contrary, two stars should really be situated very near each other, and at the same time so far insulated as not to be materially affected by the attractions of neighbouring stars, they will then compose a separate system, and remain united by the bond of their own mutual gravitation towards each other. This should be called a real double star; and any two stars that are thus mutually connected.

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[AllForMJ]

Ya know...I started this thread by typing out the four pages in an effort to try and point out when Michael started saying he was in love, but it seems like I'm going to have to take another approach so you all can see when he did...

*thinking...thinking...thinking*

There's gotta be a way to help you all to hear him...I know there is. I'll just have to come up with it. lol

He has been expressing it in plain view... :yes:

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Hello All,

I'm just writing to let you all know that I have been experiencing some technical issues (yes, and at such a crucial time, wouldn't ya know) and that is why I haven't posted much.

Also, I have been having trouble answering PM's. Please do not take it personal!!! I haven't been ignoring you or trying to break your heart or anything. I still love yas! I know that you all will be very patient and bear with me while I try to fix this.

Man, I have never encountered so many problems as I have in this past month! It's like all heck done broke loose!:doh: I'm kinda glad the month is almost over!

Well, thanks so much for your patience and understanding and ... Happy This Is It!

[MysteriousPhoenix]

Ya know...I started this thread by typing out the four pages in an effort to try and point out when Michael started saying he was in love, but it seems like I'm going to have to take another approach so you all can see when he did...

*thinking...thinking...thinking*

There's gotta be a way to help you all to hear him...I know there is. I'll just have to come up with it. lol

He has been expressing it in plain view... :yes:

Yes, I still think the song, "This Is It" is about finding love rather than a "gentle goodbye." I still am unsure if there really is a "gentle" way of breaking up with someone. That almost sounds like an oxymoron, sorta like a gentle slap in the face or something. No matter how softly you slap someone, it's gonna sting! I also don't think MJ would end his movie singing a break up song, however, if I'm wrong and he does, I'm asking for my money back!:lol:

[AllForMJ]

AllForMJ, what are your impressions of the This Is It song? Do you think it sounds like a "gentle goodbye" to someone, or like I read it described somewhere today, that it has a "lovesick" feel to it, or do you think it sounds like there is optimism going on, or talking outloud trying to work out "confusion?"

What are your thoughts? Would you like to share? Or are you not there yet? :)
I got a chance to listen to him while also reading the lyrics that MysteriousPhoenix provided. It's a very sweet song. To me, he sounds optimistic and lovesick all at the same time. As soon as time permits, I'm also going to listen to the version that Asedora posted so I can get a feel of both.

Isn't it fun traveling through Michael's music? The things that he does with it are so amazing. That's the beauty of listening to the music of a meek person that speaks and sings from their heart and soul the way that Michael does.



This is it, here I stand
I’m the light of the world, I feel grand
Got this love I can feel
And I know, yes, for sure, it is real

And it feels as though I’ve seen your face a thousand times
And you said you really know me too yourself
And I know that you have got addicted with your eye
But you say you gonna live it for yourself.

Oh!
I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, just understand

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, run away
We can feel, this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

And I feel as though I’ve known you since 1,000 years
And you tell me that you’ve seen my face before
And you said to me you don’t want me hanging round
Many times, wanna do it even more, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, just understand

This is it, I can feel
I’m the light of your world, this is real
Feel my song, we can sing it
And I tell you, please, let it play

And I feel as though I’ve known you for a thousand years
And you said you want some of this yourself
And you said want to go with me all the while
And I know that it's really true myself, oh yeah!

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon please, dear understand

I never heard a single word about you
Falling in love wasn’t my plan
I never thought that I would be your lover
C’mon dear, please understand, oh yeah!

Thanks for including the parts that you've bolded, MysteriousPhoenix. He is saying this. Dontcha love the way that he is saying "Dear?" I love hearing him using words like baby, honey, sugar, darling and dear to address a woman. Michael is such a romancer.

"This Is It"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rVRjLPObBs


I think everybody will be very interested in this:
Hmmmmm...this is interesting. :yes:

I forgot Kenny had said that.

[8701girl]

Danggg i have alot of reading 2 do!! :lol:

[Ashtanga]

Hello All,

I'm just writing to let you all know that I have been experiencing some technical issues (yes, and at such a crucial time, wouldn't ya know) and that is why I haven't posted much.

Also, I have been having trouble answering PM's. Please do not take it personal!!! I haven't been ignoring you or trying to break your heart or anything. I still love yas! I know that you all will be very patient and bear with me while I try to fix this.

Man, I have never encountered so many problems as I have in this past month! It's like all heck done broke loose!:doh: I'm kinda glad the month is almost over!

Well, thanks so much for your patience and understanding and ... Happy This Is It!
:smilerolleyes:

-_-

:ph34r:




Yes, I still think the song, "This Is It" is about finding love rather than a "gentle goodbye." I still am unsure if there really is a "gentle" way of breaking up with someone. That almost sounds like an oxymoron, sorta like a gentle slap in the face or something. No matter how softly you slap someone, it's gonna sting! I also don't think MJ would end his movie singing a break up song, however, if I'm wrong and he does, I'm asking for my money back!:lol:

-_-

[tha]

Hello All,

I'm just writing to let you all know that I have been experiencing some technical issues (yes, and at such a crucial time, wouldn't ya know) and that is why I haven't posted much.

Appeared the daisy!!! :)


Also, I have been having trouble answering PM's. Please do not take it personal!!! I haven't been ignoring you or trying to break your heart or anything. I still love yas! I know that you all will be very patient and bear with me while I try to fix this.

No problem, my dear! No one will understand it personal! Don't worry! ;)


Man, I have never encountered so many problems as I have in this past month! It's like all heck done broke loose!:doh: I'm kinda glad the month is almost over!

Do not give up, honey! Everything is gonna be fine! Put all your trust in God! I'm praying for you! :angel:


Well, thanks so much for your patience and understanding and ... Happy This Is It!

Happy "This Is It" for you too! ;)


Yes, I still think the song, "This Is It" is about finding love rather than a "gentle goodbye." I still am unsure if there really is a "gentle" way of breaking up with someone. That almost sounds like an oxymoron, sorta like a gentle slap in the face or something. No matter how softly you slap someone, it's gonna sting! I also don't think MJ would end his movie singing a break up song, however, if I'm wrong and he does, I'm asking for my money back!:lol:

:lol:

Michael will never disappoint us! I know! I trust him a lot! :rolleyes2:



Appeared the other daisy => Ashtanga!!! :) Now, "The Brazilian Gang" is complete! :punk:



"Montinho" in Ash and MP! ^_^


:wub:



Hey People, I think it deserves a joke! Don't you think? :P



Have a nice day!!!!

[Ashtanga]

Appeared the other daisy => Ashtanga!!! :) Now, "The Brazilian Gang" is complete! :punk:



"Montinho" in Ash and MP! ^_^


:wub:


:swoon:

-_-


*"Montinho" for you!!! :)

[SoS]

A few things have flashed across my mind that AllforMJ observed way earlier in the thread, that I keep meaning to post. One of them being the observation that the lyrics in the past songs started out referring to, "she", then, in later lyrics it became, "she"/"you", then gradually the lyrics referred to directly, "you" and now in this song its a very pointed "you". He's even reminding "her" exactly what "she" said.

AllforMJ was right, that progression played out just exactly that way.
Just wanted to point that out, how observant you are, AllforMJ :) I found that interesting - couldn't help but notice thought I'd mention it.

You hit on the right combination of words too, to describe the feeling I get of how he's feeling too, both "optimistic" and "lovesick" at the same time.

It must be an interesting feeling to have been feeling and singing because its an interesting feeling to feel, and to hear.

Its like a dichotomy, it seems sort of, "Lawwwwwwd ha mercy what's up with you woman' and, sort of WOW, at the same time.

I love the way he says 'dear' too. So nurturing, respectful, kind and so full of sweet love.

(Anita Baker's Sweet Love comes to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKoKpYsTz9c&feature=related and this awesome Live rendition is the magnitude to which I feel is appropriate)

I was just thinking about something I'd wondered concerning "her" and thought that I would share that thought with you. Its a thought I had after reading AllforMJ's post about "optimistic" and "lovesick" at the same time.

Couldn't help but wonder what you guys would say to "her" - after hearing this bittersweet song.

I thought, (my advice to her would be), 'try to have fun with it all, try to see the entertainment value in LIFE itself' ... try to just enjoy the love, from such a special man period, Michael Jackson is (sorry I can't stop using present tense even if I use past sometimes), he's a very special human, and to be loved by this one, if you are, is something very VERY special and not to be overlooked as just that, the most special love you could have, not to mis-estimate, take lightly, or take for granted in any way, and if "you" are also the one who "ran away" for any reason, then, I guess "you" figured that out by now anyway and I can only wish for you somehow you'll, by some miracle have, one more chance at love. Someone once said, God is a God of second chances, and third chances ... I would say, enjoy the fact that the love was real, if was as it sounds and continue to give love out into the world because in the end its actually, truly and really - all about L.O.V.E. Love is the answer to all that we are. I believe MJ was inspired by songs like these (when you have time, and speaking of Sweet Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB0IdQCW17Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjUCZcFYLA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1tN0ZKnRgs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZNqhnEIoCA to name a few )

Speaking of "her" having it 'figured' out, that word, 'figured' is what I believe he's saying because it sounds to me more like, "you have got it figured when you're right" than "you got addicted with your eye" although, I do hear what you all are saying sounds like 'addicted', I just also more clearly hear, when you're right, for absolute so, with that in mind I went back to the word that initially sounds like, 'addicted' sounds more like 'figured' almost not 1000% like "when you're right" IMHO.

Addicted strikes me as one that might would wind up on the 'misheard lyric' list to me, LOL! me please, as they say - that's just to me.

Sorry!! Maaaaaan, this entire long thing began as just a random thought

- really! :doh:

Thanks for reading if you did! Gotta make like a cheerleader and split.

[Lily]

^ Nice post SoS. :)

I think first of all if there is a "her" I would hope that if this song is indeed written with "her' in mind that "she" knew this, as well as knew of his complete love for "her". Secondly I would share with "her" a quote that I shared earlier....."When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time" and hope that she always remembers that it's THEIR love to cherish in HER heart and no one can ever take that away from HER. :)

~~~~~

I had a random thought as well and I guess I'll go there briefly although I don't care to but I'm trying to keep an objective view on if and when MJFLITD and because the lyrics to me tend to go back and forth in emotion from album to album I just don't think it's that easy to pinpoint when. Or maybe it's just me. :ermm: lol.....Anyway, having ventured into a few other threads made me wonder something. If someone betrays you why do you keep contact (past & present) and an ongoing relationship with them after that betrayal? Seems odd to me how the ex "shows up" in certain locations at the same times both past and recently and still keeps close contact with family. Doesn't seem coincidental imo. Seems like he had interest in other women but always had the ex around. If something is over, imo it's over and you move on. Doesn't mean you shouldn't remain friendly but to me it seems like something more over the years. And to be honest if the ex is not MJ's LITD or true love imo unless ties were cut he was never going to be open to finding and giving himself completely to that one true love, because the past wasn't going to allow it to happen. jmo.

[summer]

Hey guys, just dropping in to say hi and that I've read your posts but I don't really have anything to contribute right now...:scratch: :lol: Been kind of busy with work (which is good because I don't have time to think about MJ too much, nor won't be exposed to his music or videos, etc. either, which helps...), but I've tried to keep up with this thread though. Other than that, I've been trying to avoid watching any kind of MJ footage or songs because I just still instantly get really sad when I see or hear him. I just can't help it. They've been showing the This Is It trailor on TV a lot the past two days and every time it comes on and I hear MJ's voice it's like I could just sit down, start staring to space for a while and then cry my eyes out. :boohoo: I'll be watching This Is It three times tomorrow...and I'm TOTALLY excited about it actually. I didn't think I'd be this excited. I have butterflies in my stomach and I can't sit still and I can't concentrate. I just wanna see it already. :timer: I guess mostly because I miss Michael SO MUCH that I just wanna see his face again and hear his voice again and I can't WAIT to see what he really had planned for the concerts. :clapping:I'm about to bust from curiosity! :clapping:But then, at the same time...I completely dread tomorrow too. Like I said, I've been trying to avoid his songs and all the footage since the day he died ...and now I will be watching him for almost two hours in PUBLIC! :bugeyed I have NO IDEA how I will react and how I'll take it. :cry: It's going to be so difficult emotionally, no doubt. :cry: And I forgot to buy TISSUES!!! :doh: :( I hope they'll sell "This is it" tissues at the movies! :kickass: :lol: :lol:

Anyways, just a quick hi and hope you are all doing well!! Are you all going to go watch TII? I just hope the "This is not it" people will stay away from me at the movie theater, because I will NOT be happy to see them there. This is our last chance to see Michael, the world will get to see a GENIUS at work and with the movie all his hard work won't go completely to waste....so they better not try to ruin it all for me and others who wanna see it. <_<

Anyways...just a hi! :hat_wave: :lol:

EDIT: Just wanted to share a song with you guys too...Instead of listening to MJ's songs that would just make me sad (even though I LOVE his music...but I just can't listen to his voice yet), I've been listening to a lot of show tunes. And there is one that I LOVE listening to lately because it is such a beautiful song and it makes me smile...and it reminds me of Michael (especially the bolded part! :yes:), but in a way that makes me smile and feel good, instead of sad and depressed. It's a song from the movie musical "Oklahoma!" called "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning"

Oh, What a Beautiful Mornin'
Music by Richard Rodgers, lyric by Oscar Hammerstein II
Copyright © 1943 by Williamson Music
Copyright Renewed.
International Copyright Secured
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.


There's a bright golden haze on the meadow,
There's a bright golden haze on the meadow,
The corn is as high as an elephant's eye,
An' it looks like its climbin' clear up to the sky.

Chorus:
Oh what a beautiful morning,
Oh what a beautiful day,
I've got a wonderful feeling,
Everything's going my way.

Repeat chorus

All the cattle are standing like statues,
All the cattle are standing like statues,
They don't turn their heads as they see me ride by.
But a little brown mav'rick is winking her eye.

Repeat chorus

All the sounds of the earth are like music,
All the sounds of the earth are like music,
The breeze is so busy it don't miss a tree,
And an ol' Weepin' Willer is laughin' at me.

Repeat chorus

You can listen to the song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp5HCDGJsvM

[SoS]

^ Nice post SoS. :)

I think first of all if there is a "her" I would hope that if this song is indeed written with "her' in mind that "she" knew this, as well as knew of his complete love for "her". Secondly I would share with "her" a quote that I shared earlier....."When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time" and hope that she always remembers that it's THEIR love to cherish in HER heart and no one can ever take that away from HER. :)

~~~~~

I had a random thought as well and I guess I'll go there briefly although I don't care to but I'm trying to keep an objective view on if and when MJFLITD and because the lyrics to me tend to go back and forth in emotion from album to album I just don't think it's that easy to pinpoint when. Or maybe it's just me. :ermm: lol.....Anyway, having ventured into a few other threads made me wonder something. If someone betrays you why do you keep contact (past & present) and an ongoing relationship with them after that betrayal? Seems odd to me how the ex "shows up" in certain locations at the same times both past and recently and still keeps close contact with family. Doesn't seem coincidental imo. Seems like he had interest in other women but always had the ex around. If something is over, imo it's over and you move on. Doesn't mean you shouldn't remain friendly but to me it seems like something more over the years. And to be honest if the ex is not MJ's LITD or true love imo unless ties were cut he was never going to be open to finding and giving himself completely to that one true love, because the past wasn't going to allow it to happen. jmo.

Thanks, Lilly. Not sure which "ex" you're referring to, however, I've noticed a lot of times, especially
with the show business people I have observed, and sometimes non-show biz people who
are open minded too, who are warm, welcoming and love from the heart, that "exes" can
sometimes become part of families in redefined relationships - in an "extended family" sort of way - and onlookers, (neighbors, associates etc.) wonder WTH!, but it happens all the time when people are
mature in their thinking - its not unheard of, in an uncommon sort of way of course, not saying
I feel that's the case here because I don't know what you're referring to, but if in fact he and "she"
didn't end up getting together by the time he made one song after another up to the "end", that
would seem to mean to me that if its all on that level you're implying, he is certainly free to do
what he wants, would, could ... etc...seems to me ... just as with "her" I'd imagine ..

That sounded like a nice word of encouragement by the way. I didn't get
around to complimenting you on that quote the first time. Its really great. :) Thanks for
sharing it again.

Summer sounds like you feel "optimistic" and "bittersweet" too and I hope you do know you are not alone. Hello to you too :hiya: Congrats on work and being busy :flowers: It helps to be busy.

[Lily]

not sure which "ex" you're referring to

His first wife.



That sounded like a nice word of encouragement by the way. I didn't get
around to complimenting you on that quote the first time. Its really great. :) Thanks for
sharing it again.

Thank you. :)

[summer]

^ Nice post SoS. :)

I think first of all if there is a "her" I would hope that if this song is indeed written with "her' in mind that "she" knew this, as well as knew of his complete love for "her". Secondly I would share with "her" a quote that I shared earlier....."When the world says give up, hope whispers one more time" and hope that she always remembers that it's THEIR love to cherish in HER heart and no one can ever take that away from HER. :)

~~~~~

I had a random thought as well and I guess I'll go there briefly although I don't care to but I'm trying to keep an objective view on if and when MJFLITD and because the lyrics to me tend to go back and forth in emotion from album to album I just don't think it's that easy to pinpoint when. Or maybe it's just me. :ermm: lol.....Anyway, having ventured into a few other threads made me wonder something. If someone betrays you why do you keep contact (past & present) and an ongoing relationship with them after that betrayal? Seems odd to me how the ex "shows up" in certain locations at the same times both past and recently and still keeps close contact with family. Doesn't seem coincidental imo. Seems like he had interest in other women but always had the ex around. If something is over, imo it's over and you move on. Doesn't mean you shouldn't remain friendly but to me it seems like something more over the years. And to be honest if the ex is not MJ's LITD or true love imo unless ties were cut he was never going to be open to finding and giving himself completely to that one true love, because the past wasn't going to allow it to happen. jmo.

I think a certain "ex" just had a hard time accepting a "I'm no longer interested, thank you". :lol: And I guess sometimes it was/is a bit "too obvious" how certain people seem to pop up in the same places where their ex is/was while they at the same time more or less bash that person in public. I really do not think it's a "coincidence" that a certain person just happened to decide to move to London at the same time MJ was going to be spending almost a year there. She may think she's not being obvious, but it's a bit too obvious anyways, in my opinion. :lol: But that's just my opinion. :lol:

[Sdeidjs]

"Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Just walk beside me and be my friend."

Albert Camus

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[SoS]

Summer I LOVE that song!! So MUCH. I sing it whenever its a beaUtiful morning! One of those mornings that makes you have to sing that song. :yes:

[summer]

Summer I LOVE that song!! So MUCH. I sing it whenever its a beaUtiful morning! One of those mornings that makes you have to sing that song. :yes:

It's a great song, isn't it!! :) It's one of those songs that just instantly makes you smile and feel good, even if you feel sad. :) At least that's what it does to me. Even if I feel really sad, when I hear that song, I just have to start smiling. It's such a beautiful, positive song. :) I often listen to it when I go to bed and end up falling asleep smiling. :)

OH...which reminds me...I had a WEIRD MJ dream last night! :bugeyed :lol: I was all of the sudden somewhere in NORWAY...with Michael. :lol: :lol: Like, he was hiding in Norway and he was outside in the woods alone in just his black pants and a shirt on and I was like "MICHAEL!!! Don't you know it gets REALLY cold in Norway at night??!!" and I put a warm blanket around him and made sure he is warm and then we got into a car and I started driving and we were looking for some city above Oslo that starts with an N. :scratch::lol: I woke up and I was like "WHAT was THAT about??!!" :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, how did I end up in the snowy woods in NORWAY with MJ?? :doh: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Some dreams are SO RANDOM it's just funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: You wake up and go "WHAT the....??????!" :scratch::scratch::scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Lily]

I think a certain "ex" just had a hard time accepting a "I'm no longer interested, thank you". :lol: And I guess sometimes it was/is a bit "too obvious" how certain people seem to pop up in the same places where their ex is/was while they at the same time more or less bash that person in public. I really do not think it's a "coincidence" that a certain person just happened to decide to move to London at the same time MJ was going to be spending almost a year there. She may think she's not being obvious, but it's a bit too obvious anyways, in my opinion. :lol: But that's just my opinion. :lol:

Interesting isn't it.

Oh well, don't want to side-track the discussion so I'll move on and just chalk it up as another of my random hmmmmm thoughts. :lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[summer]

You "blanketed" him, Summer! :D You know how much that would mean to him when someone would blanket him with their warm love and support.

The dream is revealing maybe that MJ somehow knew your love for him as a fan was true, supportive, and full of warmth and sincere love.

That's a nice interpretation of it, but I really have NO IDEA what it meant. :lol: To me it felt Norway was somehow significant in it, but I have no idea why? Because of Omer Bhatti maybe? :scratch:He's Norwegian, isn't he? I have NO IDEA! :lol: :lol: I mean, after that part I ended up travelling around Norway with some people I didn't know...once was riding a horse to get from A to B....Then after that I was in some place where they were celebrating some school anniversary or had some school re-union or something for Class '67...there was some teacher from that year telling what it was like back then, etc. And in that place they had this cafe that was like an old ship or something and there was also this "sun clock" out of marble that was like from antique Rome or something (did they have clocks back then? :scratch::lol:) and I totally remember being fascinated by the clock and I was watching it closely (I think it was either 2 p.m. or 6 p.m...can't remember which one, but either one). I'm telling you the dream was RANDOM. :scratch: :lol:

[Lainy]

OMG! :wild: I'm two days away from this discussion and I have so many things to read!
I read! :D
I would like to quote a few, but I just thank, it was very interesting to read your thoughts!
MP, I understand and I hope that this month is best for you! :yes:

Summer, so cute! Dreams with MJ are very nice! I dreamed with he two nights in a row this week, but I can not remember the details, only remember that they were very good and always waked up happy! :blush:

I'm very anxious for the This Is It movie! But I decided don't watch the movie ... by higher motives and fear also, I'm really anxious lol I don't know what will be my reaction ... anyway I'll be in touch with my friends who will watch! 'm Sure will be amazing and pretty soon I'm going to watch!

Just to give an "HI" and to wish you all a great night! I'm watching the Premiere for the site!

MP Happy This is It for you too!

I think we all have!
And..

This Is... NOT... It? :)

[8701girl]

It's a great song, isn't it!! :) It's one of those songs that just instantly makes you smile and feel good, even if you feel sad. :) At least that's what it does to me. Even if I feel really sad, when I hear that song, I just have to start smiling. It's such a beautiful, positive song. :) I often listen to it when I go to bed and end up falling asleep smiling. :)

OH...which reminds me...I had a WEIRD MJ dream last night! :bugeyed :lol: I was all of the sudden somewhere in NORWAY...with Michael. :lol: :lol: Like, he was hiding in Norway and he was outside in the woods alone in just his black pants and a shirt on and I was like "MICHAEL!!! Don't you know it gets REALLY cold in Norway at night??!!" and I put a warm blanket around him and made sure he is warm and then we got into a car and I started driving and we were looking for some city above Oslo that starts with an N. :scratch::lol: I woke up and I was like "WHAT was THAT about??!!" :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, how did I end up in the snowy woods in NORWAY with MJ?? :doh: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Some dreams are SO RANDOM it's just funny! :lol: :lol: :lol: You wake up and go "WHAT the....??????!" :scratch::scratch::scratch: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: Sounds like u & mj had a great time in norway!!! :lol:

[Asedora]

I'm very anxious for the This Is It movie! But I decided don't watch the movie ... by higher motives and fear also, I'm really anxious lol I don't know what will be my reaction ... anyway I'll be in touch with my friends who will watch! 'm Sure will be amazing and pretty soon I'm going to watch!



Read this thread, hope it will help to decide what is right thing to do for you.A few days ago in this thread I was talking about TII myself, now we got a msg.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79920

I hope evrybody is doing Ok. It was a nice reading today. This thread is moving really fast.:)

Take care, guys.

[MysteriousPhoenix]

This thread is moving really fast.:)



:lol: Fastest and most exciting thread at MJJC! Who woulda thunk! :lol:

[michaelcomeback]

i worship micvhael im madly in love with him i wish i was his wife i adore invincible and every single song im a die hard fan. no one understood michael michael needed the unconditional love . michael is beyond a genius i will never forgive myself for not reaching him berfore 25 june and marrying him. im devastated without michael

[SoS]

Listening to This Is It again. Originally when I said this song is like an onion with multiple layers, it was because I could just tell it was another one of those multi-fold ones like so many, and now listening to it after all this time, I see it is indeed, one of those pieces of musical theatre you make discoveries in the more it is heard. I was just thinking too, that even though, to describe the sound by using the words, "optimistic" and "lovesick" are so much closer to any words I could put together thus far, there is another word eluding me too ... and there's something different about this song.

can't seem to quite place my mental finger on it exactly :brow:

:D and how 'bout the movie

I broke down and bought my ticket last night just before midnight and just :blush: couldn't go in...

...maybe by this weekend I can ... just was wondering how the other "dark" guys & gals were doing.

[Sdeidjs]

What I am about to share with all of you is a post that I recieved that I feel is quit reflective in nature...

I could have posted this story in another thread but felt that this is a perfect example as to...

"WHY God tends to send certain people in our time of need to become our true friend and help guide us through all of our trials, tribulations, doubts, and flustrations..."


"WE ALL KNOW OR KNEW SOMEONE LIKE THIS"

One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he was carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, 'Why would anyone bring home all his books on a Friday? He must really be a nerd.'

I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.

As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They ran at him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he landed in the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass about ten feet from him... He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in his eyes

My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him as he crawled around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I handed him his glasses, I said, 'Those guys are jerks.' They really should get lives.

' He looked at me and said, 'Hey thanks!' There was a big smile on his face. It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped him pick up his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he lived near me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before.. He said he had gone to private school before now. I would have never hung out with a private school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried some of his books.

He turned out to be a pretty cool kid.

I asked him if he wanted to play a little football with my friends
He said yes. We hung out all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him, and my friends thought the same of him.

Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of books again. I stopped him and said, 'Boy, you are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books everyday! 'He just laughed and handed me half the books.

Over the next four years, Kyle and I became "best friends".When we were seniors we began to think about college. Kyle decided on Georgetown and I was going to Duke. I knew that we would "always" be friends, that the miles would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor and I was going for business on a football scholarship.

Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time about being a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad it wasn't me having to get up there and speak.

Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those guys that really found himself during high school. He filled out and actually looked good in glasses.

He had more dates than I had and all the girls loved him. Boy, sometimes I was jealous! Today was one of those days. I could see that he was nervous about his speech.

So, I smacked him on the back and said, 'Hey, big guy, you'll be great!'

He looked at me with one of those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled.

' Thanks,' he said.

As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began

'Graduation is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years.

Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach...but mostly your friends....

I am here to tell all of you that being a "true friend" to someone is the best gift you can give them.

I am going to tell you a story.'

I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the first day we met.

He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He talked of how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have to do it later and was carrying his stuff home.

He looked hard at me and gave me a little smile.
'Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable..'

I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us all about his weakest moment. I saw his Mom and dad looking at me and smiling that same grateful smile.. Not until that moment did I realize it's depth.

"Never underestimate the power of your actions..With one small gesture you can change a person's life.

God puts us in each others lives to impact one another in some way.

Look for God in others..!"

"True Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.'

"There is no beginning or end.. Yesterday is history... Tomorrow is a mystery. But today is a gift. That is why they call it THE PRESENT!"

You now have two choices, you can :
1) Pass this on to your friends or
2) Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart.

As you can see, I took choice number 1.

It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care.. Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND...

Author Unknown
Paraphrased by Susie
:angel:Our Children Our The Future...Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Lily]

Listening to This Is It again. Originally when I said this song is like an onion with multiple layers, it was because I could just tell it was another one of those multi-fold ones like so many, and now listening to it after all this time, I see it is indeed, one of those pieces of musical theatre you make discoveries in the more it is heard. I was just thinking too, that even though, to describe the sound by using the words, "optimistic" and "lovesick" are so much closer to any words I could put together thus far, there is another word eluding me too ... and there's something different about this song.

can't seem to quite place my mental finger on it exactly :brow:


The TII song seems "raw" and "unfinished" in more ways than one to me, if that makes any sense. (edit: Both technically and emotionally) It just feels different to me. Especially listening through the entire cd then you get to that song and there's just something different. I don't know if I can quite figure it out either except it feels like an energy change. I love it, especially the orchestra.:)




:D and how 'bout the movie

I broke down and bought my ticket last night just before midnight and just :blush: couldn't go in...

...maybe by this weekend I can ... just was wondering how the other "dark" guys & gals were doing.

I hope you have a nice time seeing the movie.:) I'm not ready to see it, so I'm just going to wait to see if it comes out on dvd. Then when the time feels right for me I'll be able to watch it.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[summer]

I just saw This Is It three times in a row. Yes, THREE times. :yes: I was really looking forward to seeing it first...but then reached a point where my body kept telling me NO, and it felt like I had to force myself to go. When I was on my way to the movie theater I was walking slowly and felt like turning around every five seconds because I thought I just can't take it. It iwll be too much emotionally. But I had bought a ticket and I DID want to see it, so I forced myself to go. And I think like not even two minutes into the movie, I was already sobbing and thought I have to leave. But I forced myself to stay and tried to look away from the screen a few times so that I'll be able to bear it. When the words "This is it" came on screen, I really thought I won't be able to take it. I was just thinking "This is it.....this is the very last moment we'll see him....he's gone...so this is it. This is the end of the amazing years of being a fan. THIS IS IT!!" :boohoo: :boohoo: Anyways....I'll spear you guys from all the details...but let me just tell you that it was a COMPLETE emotional rollercoster ride watching the movie. I think I went through every emotion possible during the movie from happy to sad to excited to "paralyzed". The sound was AMAZING....and it was like Michael was RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. It was like if I reached my arm out, I could touch him. And once he started dancing and rehearsing the dance numbers...I was LITERALLY sitting on my hands so that I won't instictively start doing the dance moves from the choreographies because I was getting so into it! :lol: I was bobbing my head and tapping my foot to the beat and I really had to sit tight so that I won't stand up and start yelling "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! GO MICHAAAEEEELLL!!!" :woohoo: :woohoo: :sarmoti: :sarmoti: :kickass: :kickass: like I'd be at his concert!! :lol: :lol: No way I was able to cry because I was just ABSOLUTELY AMAZED and loving EVERYTHING!!! Michael looks AMAZING on the footage!! GORGEOUS!! When you see the close ups...AAAAH!!! :stretcher :stretcher He looks really skinny on some footage, but when he has the orange jeans on, he looks like he would have gained a little weight (still incrediably skinny, but it looks like there'd be some muscle there). But no matter what footage, he is on FIRE!!!!!!! :wild: I'm not sure if I have EVER seen him on THAT kind of fire!!! It is absolutely AMAZING!!! Those who said he was weak....weak MY A**!!!! He's ALL OVER THE PLACE! :wild: Anyways, I just loved everything about the movie. Loved how it's really just like a "documentary" about the rehearsals...just as it was. With no commentary added. Just pure footage straight from the rehearsals. And it is AMAZING. TO think that was JUST the REHEARSALS!!! :wild::wild::wild::wild::wild::wild: 99,9% of all the other artists aren't even THAT good during their SHOWS! :bugeyed :lol: Anyways, I really recommend it to ALL OF YOU. Really. GO SEE IT!! You HAVE to go see it!! If you don't...you'll regret it!! You'll ABSOLUTELY REGRET IT!!! And go see it a few times. Because there is SO much stuff going on that you won't be able to notice everything...besides the first time will probably be spent by sobbing. The next times will be easier because you realize that you have Michael back for a moment. I was a mess after the first time I saw it...I had to RUN out of the movie theater and I just kept running because I thought I have to get away from there. It was too much. I thought I'll collapse in the middle of the street because I couldn't breathe and my whole body was shaking and I was crying. You know, because it was clear it was just a movie and Michael was gone and it was just too much. I wished I could just keep walking or running until infinity....just keep running....just get away to SOMEWHERE....away from everything. I tried to get home as fast as I could because I thought I'll collapse any second. And as soon as I got home I just cried my eyes out. And then I CRANKED UP Michael's music and danced to his music like there was no tomorrow! :D I told you guys...it was like a roller coaster. Up..down...up down...excited...sad...excited...sad...:bugeyed:lo l: :lol: No but seriously....when you see MJ do the Drill...or perform Beat It...or Billie Jean...or I Just Can't Stop Loving You...or Human Nature...etc. you'll know what I'm talking about. He does such an AMAZING job that it will leave you BREATHLESS!!! They are INCREDIABLE!! Absolutely INCREDIABLE!!! :wild::wild::wild: And he looks CUTE AS A BUTTON during I Just Can't Stop Loving You. OMG!!! :wub::wub::wub: The gestures....AAAAAAWW MAN!! :wub::wub::wub: And he does an AMAZING performance!!! Even the crew is going crazy because it is INCREDIABLE!! :wild: :wild:

ANYWAYS....so the first time was a complete roller coaster...the second one I pretty much spent with watching every detail as closely as I could because I didn't wanna miss ANYTHING...and the third time I was just pretty much watching with my mouth open in complete AWE...:wild::wild: :lol: :lol: I did cry during every ending though. Simply because I just cannot listen to Man In The Mirror yet. When ever I hear it I insantly have the memorial and MJ's casket before my eyes and it just KILLS ME INSIDE. :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: But it really felt that as long as the movie was on...it felt like MJ was alive. Like we had MJ back. :wub: I caught myself thinking more than once "He's not dead..it was just a bad dream. He's alive. Everything's okay! He's not dead!!" during the movie. Because it really felt like he was back. Like he never was even gone. And that's why I was so eager to go back to the theater to see it again and again because it felt /feels like as long as I'm in the theater and can watch MJ...everything is alright. I definately wanna see it again! :clapping:As many times as possible. And at IMAX!!! If any of you just can...go watch it in an IMAX theater!!! It is AMAZING!! It's like you could almost touch MJ...and the sound is SO AMAZING, it's like you'd really have a front row seat to his concert!!! It is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! I wish I could go watch it with a theter full of real fans who'd all get up and dance and pretend we ARE in a concert..because it is so easy to do that at an IMAX theater!! :clapping::clapping:That would be awesome! :clapping:

Anyways...few things I noticed in the movie...that have to do with this thread...:cheers:

When you guys go see it...and Smooth Criminal starts...and there is the city backdrop....pay attention to the right upper corner. There is a tiny Zeppelin...with green GLOW IN THE DARK LETTERS :wild: (I am NOT kidding! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: It really is there! Look for it! :toofunny: :toofunny:)...I wasn't able to see what it says exactly...looks like something with AIR...or...HAIR...I think it could be "MJAIR"...because they are joking about it at one point. And I think it's not more than 5 letters.

Also...I am pretty sure MJ was singing "Keeping her around...around..." when he was rehearsing Human Nature in the beginning of that song. When I heard it first I was like "Whaaat?! That's some "stuff to analyze" for the LITD girls!!! :cheers: :lol: :lol: But then I thought I probably heard wrong...so I paid extra attention the next time and the third time...and I can't hear anything else except "keeping her around around...". :scratch::wild: lol: :lol: He doesn't sing it when he "performs" the song...only in the beginning when he is going over some parts with Dorian and Kenny.


Thre is something written with red on the forehead of the little girl in Earth Song. It looks like arabian or hindi or some language like that. So it would be interesting to know what it's meaning it is and what it means in English.

There's a huge spider at one point...and it made me go.."Gosh MJ....did you HAVE to pick a SPIDER...I HATE SPIDERS!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol: Terrified of them!! :lol: :lol: So just in case there are any other "Arachophobes" here...be prepared! :lol: :lol: (Okay, not relevant for this thread, but just had to mention because I hated it but at the same time loved it and thought it was cool and amazing! :lol: So had to mention! :lol:)

Oh and one interesting thing...at least for this thread. :lol: When I was watchin the credits (well...when there was only credits on the scren and no MJ....I missed all the credits while they were showing MJ next to the credits...you think I'll watch some names when I can watch MJ! :lol: NO way! :lol:). Anyways...so the song credits started rolling...and I noticd there was a song mentioned I had never heard of and didn't know where I could have possibly heard that song in the movie, because the only "non-MJ" song I could notice was "Put The Blame on Mame"...and it was separately on the credits. I'm thinking they might have just used a tiny bit of the instrumental of the song during Smooth Criminal...but I am not sure. But anyways, I thought I'll check that song out because the title made me instantly think of this thread...The song is called: "I Hadn't Anyone Till You". So anyways...I googled it and check out the lyrics! :bugeyed :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I just had to post it here for you guys because I knew you'd love it! :lol: :lol:

I Hadn't Anyone Till You

I hadn't anyone till you
I was a lonely one till you
I used to lie awake and wonder if there could be,
A someone in the wide world just made for me
Now I see I had to save my love for you
I never gave my love till you
And thru my lonely heart demanding it
Cupid took a hand in it
I hadn't anyone till you.


:wild::wild::wild::wild:

:scratch:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh and by the way...when you go watch the movie....stay until the very end. :yes: There is little something there after the credits. :) Something sweet. :)

[No-Body]

Since what I am about to share with all of you is a post that I recieved that I feel is quit reflective in nature...

I could have posted this story in another thread but felt that this is a perfect example as to...

"WHY God tends to send certain people in our time of need to become our true friend and help guide us through all of our trials, tribulations, doubts, and flustrations..."


"WE ALL KNOW OR KNEW SOMEONE LIKE THIS"

One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he was carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, 'Why would anyone bring home all his books on a Friday? He must really be a nerd.'

I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.

As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They ran at him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he landed in the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass about ten feet from him... He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in his eyes

My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him as he crawled around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I handed him his glasses, I said, 'Those guys are jerks.' They really should get lives.

' He looked at me and said, 'Hey thanks!' There was a big smile on his face. It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped him pick up his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he lived near me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before.. He said he had gone to private school before now. I would have never hung out with a private school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried some of his books.

He turned out to be a pretty cool kid.

I asked him if he wanted to play a little football with my friends
He said yes. We hung out all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him, and my friends thought the same of him.

Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of books again. I stopped him and said, 'Boy, you are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books everyday! 'He just laughed and handed me half the books.

Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends.When we were seniors we began to think about college. Kyle decided on Georgetown and I was going to Duke. I knew that we would always be friends, that the miles would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor and I was going for business on a football scholarship.

Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time about being a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad it wasn't me having to get up there and speak.

Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those guys that really found himself during high school. He filled out and actually looked good in glasses.

He had more dates than I had and all the girls loved him. Boy, sometimes I was jealous! Today was one of those days. I could see that he was nervous about his speech.

So, I smacked him on the back and said, 'Hey, big guy, you'll be great!'

He looked at me with one of those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled.

' Thanks,' he said.

As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began

'Graduation is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years.

Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach...but mostly your friends....

I am here to tell all of you that being a "true friend" to someone is the best gift you can give them.

I am going to tell you a story.'

I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the first day we met.

He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He talked of how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have to do it later and was carrying his stuff home.

He looked hard at me and gave me a little smile.

'Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable..'

I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us all about his weakest moment. I saw his Mom and dad looking at me and smiling that same grateful smile.. Not until that moment did I realize it's depth.

"Never underestimate the power of your actions..With one small gesture you can change a person's life.

God puts us in each others lives to impact one another in some way.

Look for God in others..!"

You now have two choices, you can :
1) Pass this on to your friends or
2) Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart.

As you can see, I took choice number 1.

"True Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.'

"There is no beginning or end.. Yesterday is history... Tomorrow is a mystery. But today is a gift. That is why they call it THE PRESENT!"

It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care.. Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND...

Author Unknown
Paraphrased by Susie
:angel:Our Children Our The Future...Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Incredible, awesome post there Susie. THANK YOU for sharing it with us. Remarkable message full of hope and love, as all the world should be about. And yes, it is very true when we see God in others, when we understand that our humanity makes us all one true family, we can't help but love everyone, with faults and all, cause ain't nobody perfect, right? Only He who is love.

SoS was asking about the movie. I don't wanna spoil things for those who haven't seen it yet, I'm sure the board is full of opinions about it, but since SoS asked and this thread, after all is about love, I might as well my two cents.

If I had to chose a couple of words to describe the entire experience, they would be inspiring and uplifting. I basically sat there in the theatre with either a wide smile on my face, laughing quietly or simply watching in awe, there wasn't any sorrow to be found.

In a strange way, the one thing I would associate most with it would be LIGHT (not only the one so gorgeous used for Earth Song, but throughout the movie). It (the movie) was a moment in time suspended in light, full of serenity, joy, hope and love.

There were some really funny moments (e.g. the dancers learning how to crotch grab; 'draggin' yourself outta bed in the mornin' or how he put it lol, only to recall two of them), jaw dropping sharp moves and also amazing vocals from Michael.

Is it wrong for me to use the word "sensual" as another way to describe it? There was a lotttttt of hand movement going on Michael's part lol and I must confess that it was quite appealing. His hands were terribly fascinating. I would say something, but I need to censor myself, little ones might be reading. And nope, it isn't the equation or the extrapolation some might make.


I was a bit late and I didn't get to see the first few minutes (I imagine that they dealt with June 25th), so maybe that is why I have such a positive outlook on things, but I really don't think any of what came before could change my mind. I'll find out when I see the movie the next time.



The importance of the message he delivered in the end - about our individual and collective responsibility towards the planet cannot be stated enough though. We are mere custodians of creation and we aren't doing our jobs. There really isn't any time to be wasted. We cannot leave it up to politicians, businessmen, or even artists like Michael to do the job of healing the planet. Change must come and it will come when each has a change of heart and behavior towards the environment and each other. I really hope people will listen, AT LEAST NOW. He's been saying it and singing it for decades.

Here are some images to prove how precious and how wonderful this world of ours is. It desperately needs healing and saving if we are to leave it as legacy to future generations.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7470/collage1a.jpg


http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4402/sombrerito.jpg

Good night and God bless.

P.S. Summer, only now I saw your post. AWE definitely is a word that comes up when thinking about it all, doesn't it? :D Glad to hear that after the tears, smile and wonder came for you.

And indeed LOVE LIVES FOREVER.

[summer]

Shabuya...they only mentioned June 25th in the beginning in text form...other than that there was no footage having to do with it. THANK GOD. The beginning had some footage from O2 and the dancer auditions that we've already seen, so you didn't miss all too much if you came a couple of minutes late (except a complete experience...and depending how many minutes late you were....some awesome WBSS footage!).

And talking about sensual....that's the word that struck me during I Just Can't Stop Loving You. I was like "Gosh...how can a man look cute as a button, but sensual and hot... and innocent, all at the same time??!!". It was one AMAZING perfomance, wasn't it?! :wild: And it was sung LIVE. That performance alone should shut all the critics who ever had anything bad to say about MJ "not having it anymore". BAH HUMBUG I SAY to them!!! Go watch that movie and THEN we'll talk!!! PFFFT!!! MJ was better than EVER!!! He was ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!! :wild: :wild: :wild: :wild: (Which is exactly WHY I am so completely GUTTED that he is no longer with us....:boohoo: It's just so hard to accept, because the show was gonna be SO AMAZING!! So SO amazing....:boohoo: )



EDIT: Yes, AWE, is definately the word to describe it. There is no better way to put it really. He is just SO AMAZING through out the movie that you just can't help but to watch with your mouth wide open and be AMAZED. And feel the need to start bowing down on him or something, or jump up and down and clap your hands like crazy and yell WHOOHOO because the performances are so incrediable!!! (Actually the audience did clap after the movie...which is the FIRST time I've EVER seen anything like that...and I started crying when they did because it made me SO HAPPY for Michael. It just made me feel so good inside that they loved it so much and appreciated it so much. :wub: ) And like I said before...to kep in mind that was just the REHEARSAL....and he was trying to save his body and his voice...and he was STILL absolutely incrediable....it's just...WOW!! :wild::wild::wild::wild: He is just so TALENTED and AMAZING that it blows your mind! :wild: I can't even find words to describe it!! He's just amazing!

[summer]

What I am about to share with all of you is a post that I recieved that I feel is quit reflective in nature...

I could have posted this story in another thread but felt that this is a perfect example as to...

"WHY God tends to send certain people in our time of need to become our true friend and help guide us through all of our trials, tribulations, doubts, and flustrations..."


"WE ALL KNOW OR KNEW SOMEONE LIKE THIS"

One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he was carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, 'Why would anyone bring home all his books on a Friday? He must really be a nerd.'

I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.

As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They ran at him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he landed in the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass about ten feet from him... He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in his eyes

My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him as he crawled around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I handed him his glasses, I said, 'Those guys are jerks.' They really should get lives.

' He looked at me and said, 'Hey thanks!' There was a big smile on his face. It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped him pick up his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he lived near me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before.. He said he had gone to private school before now. I would have never hung out with a private school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried some of his books.

He turned out to be a pretty cool kid.

I asked him if he wanted to play a little football with my friends
He said yes. We hung out all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him, and my friends thought the same of him.

Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of books again. I stopped him and said, 'Boy, you are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books everyday! 'He just laughed and handed me half the books.

Over the next four years, Kyle and I became "best friends".When we were seniors we began to think about college. Kyle decided on Georgetown and I was going to Duke. I knew that we would "always" be friends, that the miles would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor and I was going for business on a football scholarship.

Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time about being a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad it wasn't me having to get up there and speak.

Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those guys that really found himself during high school. He filled out and actually looked good in glasses.

He had more dates than I had and all the girls loved him. Boy, sometimes I was jealous! Today was one of those days. I could see that he was nervous about his speech.

So, I smacked him on the back and said, 'Hey, big guy, you'll be great!'

He looked at me with one of those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled.

' Thanks,' he said.

As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began

'Graduation is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years.

Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach...but mostly your friends....

I am here to tell all of you that being a "true friend" to someone is the best gift you can give them.

I am going to tell you a story.'

I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the first day we met.

He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He talked of how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have to do it later and was carrying his stuff home.

He looked hard at me and gave me a little smile.
'Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable..'

I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us all about his weakest moment. I saw his Mom and dad looking at me and smiling that same grateful smile.. Not until that moment did I realize it's depth.

"Never underestimate the power of your actions..With one small gesture you can change a person's life.

God puts us in each others lives to impact one another in some way.

Look for God in others..!"

"True Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.'

"There is no beginning or end.. Yesterday is history... Tomorrow is a mystery. But today is a gift. That is why they call it THE PRESENT!"

You now have two choices, you can :
1) Pass this on to your friends or
2) Delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart.

As you can see, I took choice number 1.

It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care.. Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND...

Author Unknown
Paraphrased by Susie
:angel:Our Children Our The Future...Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

Thanks for sharing that story with us! :) I've read it before too and have always loved it. Such a great story. There's also one...something about a fence and hammering nails into it...and it teaching a story about how you can "pull out the nail"...but you can never get rid of the hole. As in...you can apologize, etc...but hurting someone will still leave a scar. I need to try to find it. It was a good story as well. :) Or teh one about kisses in a box. Love that one...Soooo sweet! :wub:

[tha]

Hey....who already watched "This Is It"?!?!?!

I did! And first I need to be calm to talk about it! But I can say.....Michael is amazing!!!! He is always surprising me! :rolleyes2:

See you later! ;)

[8701girl]

i havent watched this is it yet, but will tonight!

[Lainy]

Sdeidjs, you always giving us lessons in life with your posts. All I can say is, thank you very much! :cheers:

Shabuya and summer, Thanks for your comments on the This is It movie, I'm now more anxious than before! lol Do you mean that Michael was Gorgeous?! OMG! :wild::wub:
I Just Can't Stop Loving You is one of my favorites songs... Michael's perfect performing it! :blush:

I'll wait the DVD, because I really don't know what would be my reaction, I believe I will have a mix of feelings ... At home I can do anything, what comes to my mind (stand easy chair, singing, dancing, scream, cry, smile ...) without being censored! lol

So far only have good recommendations and only heard praise about the film, which increases my expectations and anxiety. Today talking with a friend (who lives far) by msn she revealed all the emotions felt during the film and how she wished that we had assisted together! (She knew I'd be ready to explode any time and this would be fun!) lol :lol:

I'm very happy to know that Michael once again surprised everyone!:wild::girl_happy:
Michael I love you even more!! :girl_in_love:

PS: Asedora thanks for the link! Tomorrow I'll read with more attention! I don't want no detail goes unnoticed! :D

[Ashtanga]

Hey....who already watched "This Is It"?!?!?

I was... :girl_happy:

I'll watch again (very carefully... again!) :smilerolleyes:

:clapping:

:wild:

:punk:

:wub:

[AllForMJ]

Hey....who already watched "This Is It"?!?!?!

I did! And first I need to be calm to talk about it! But I can say.....Michael is amazing!!!! He is always surprising me! :rolleyes2:

See you later! ;)
I saw it at the movies tonight and enjoyed every minute of it. Every second.

Michael is so beautiful and he was definitely happy before he left. He really was enjoying himself.

Thank You God for allowing him to have some fun again. It was so much fun seeing him having fun.

OMG, you guys! His voice! He voice was like *sigh* :wub: He was doing some really sweet things with it.

I looooovvved that black and white film piece. THAT is going to be so fun to watch on television. BRILLIANT WORK!!!

Soundtrack, DVD, I want it...I want it...I want it!!! Until then, I'm going to see it again at the movies!!

Oh my GOODNESS Michael can sing!!! And I loved the way he was interacting with the female performers!!! So sexy and so sweet!!!

[tha]

i havent watched this is it yet, but will tonight!

Happy This Is It for you - as MP said! ;)


Sdeidjs, you always giving us lessons in life with your posts. All I can say is, thank you very much! :cheers:

Shabuya and summer, Thanks for your comments on the This is It movie, I'm now more anxious than before! lol Do you mean that Michael was Gorgeous?! OMG! :wild::wub:
I Just Can't Stop Loving You is one of my favorites songs... Michael's perfect performing it! :blush:

I'll wait the DVD, because I really don't know what would be my reaction, I believe I will have a mix of feelings ... At home I can do anything, what comes to my mind (stand easy chair, singing, dancing, scream, cry, smile ...) without being censored! lol

So far only have good recommendations and only heard praise about the film, which increases my expectations and anxiety. Today talking with a friend (who lives far) by msn she revealed all the emotions felt during the film and how she wished that we had assisted together! (She knew I'd be ready to explode any time and this would be fun!) lol :lol:

I'm very happy to know that Michael once again surprised everyone!:wild::girl_happy:
Michael I love you even more!! :girl_in_love:

PS: Asedora thanks for the link! Tomorrow I'll read with more attention! I don't want no detail goes unnoticed! :D

Lully, sorry for didin't call you yesterday! Blame the "This Is It" emotion! :D


I was... :girl_happy:

I'll watch again (very carefully... again!) :smilerolleyes:

:clapping:

:wild:

:punk:

:wub:

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! I'll watch This Is It again (with more attention.... :rolleyes2:)!! :D


I saw it at the movies tonight and enjoyed every minute of it. Every second.

Michael is so beautiful and he was definitely happy before he left. He really was enjoying himself.

Thank You God for allowing him to have some fun again. It was so much fun seeing him having fun.

OMG, you guys! His voice! He voice was like *sigh* :wub: He was doing some really sweet things with it.

I looooovvved that black and white film piece. THAT is going to be so fun to watch on television. BRILLIANT WORK!!!

Soundtrack, DVD, I want it...I want it...I want it!!! Until then, I'm going to see it again at the movies!!

Oh my GOODNESS Michael can sing!!! And I loved the way he was interacting with the female performers!!! So sexy and so sweet!!!

Of course Michael can sing!!!! Why he could not ? :scratch:

[Sdeidjs]

Thanks for sharing that story with us! :) I've read it before too and have always loved it. Such a great story. There's also one...something about a fence and hammering nails into it...and it teaching a story about how you can "pull out the nail"...but you can never get rid of the hole. As in...you can apologize, etc...but hurting someone will still leave a scar. I need to try to find it. It was a good story as well. :) Or teh one about kisses in a box. Love that one...Soooo sweet! :wub:

Thank You for all your kind words...Your very welcome..!

See if you can find that story...would LOVE to read it.

:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[Sdeidjs]

Sdeidjs, you always giving us lessons in life with your posts. All I can say is, thank you very much! :cheers:

Shabuya and summer, Thanks for your comments on the This is It movie, I'm now more anxious than before! lol Do you mean that Michael was Gorgeous?! OMG! :wild::wub:
I Just Can't Stop Loving You is one of my favorites songs... Michael's perfect performing it! :blush:

I'll wait the DVD, because I really don't know what would be my reaction, I believe I will have a mix of feelings ... At home I can do anything, what comes to my mind (stand easy chair, singing, dancing, scream, cry, smile ...) without being censored! lol

So far only have good recommendations and only heard praise about the film, which increases my expectations and anxiety. Today talking with a friend (who lives far) by msn she revealed all the emotions felt during the film and how she wished that we had assisted together! (She knew I'd be ready to explode any time and this would be fun!) lol :lol:

I'm very happy to know that Michael once again surprised everyone!:wild::girl_happy:
Michael I love you even more!! :girl_in_love:

PS: Asedora thanks for the link! Tomorrow I'll read with more attention! I don't want no detail goes unnoticed! :D

Golly Gee Willickers...Thank You so very much for all your very kind words...

I truly believe in...

"Knowledge IS Growth...and Growth Is The Path To Happiness and Fulfillment of Life..!

Education IS The Key~~~"

Susie Deeds
Author (c) 1994

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World~~~

[Ashtanga]

Oh my GOODNESS Michael can sing!!!
:scratch:

:bugeyed

:smilerolleyes:

What????? :doh: No comments.... <_< -_-

[Lily]

The song is called: "I Hadn't Anyone Till You". So anyways...I googled it and check out the lyrics! :bugeyed :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I just had to post it here for you guys because I knew you'd love it! :lol: :lol:

I Hadn't Anyone Till You

I hadn't anyone till you
I was a lonely one till you
I used to lie awake and wonder if there could be,
A someone in the wide world just made for me
Now I see I had to save my love for you
I never gave my love till you
And thru my lonely heart demanding it
Cupid took a hand in it
I hadn't anyone till you.


Great song, the Frank Sinatra version is wonderful. :)
Kinda makes a girl wanna fall in love. :girl_in_love: :girl_sigh: :lol:

[8701girl]

Happy This Is It for you - as MP said!

I watched it last nite ...and it was AMAZING!!!! :wild:

[tha]

I could not resist and watched "This Is It" again today and I'll watch one more time on saturday!! :)
I'm glad that will be on display just for two weeks, cause it would bankrupt me! :P








"And snap one's fingers: BANG!" :rolleyes2:

[Lainy]

Lully, sorry for didin't call you yesterday! Blame the "This Is It" emotion! :D

Don't worry Tha! I understand you! lol :yes::lol:


Golly Gee Willickers...Thank You so very much for all your very kind words...

I truly believe in...

"Knowledge IS Growth...and Growth Is The Path To Happiness and Fulfillment of Life..!

Education IS The Key~~~"

Susie Deeds
Author (c) 1994

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World~~~

I also believe! :yes:


"And snap one's fingers: BANG!" :rolleyes2:

:cheeky:

and...

"Let me breathe in my own time and then get back again"

:wild:

:rolleyes2:

Michael, I love you more!!:wub:

[tha]

"Let me breathe in my own time and then get back again"

:wild:

:rolleyes2:

Michael, I love you more!!:wub:


Oh, man!!!!!

We'll be there for you, Michael and our lanterns are "on" since a long time! o_O

This Is It! This is Michael Jackson!!!!!! :D

[Lainy]

Oh, man!!!!!

We'll be there for you, Michael and our lanterns are "on" since a long time! o_O

This Is It! This is Michael Jackson!!!!!! :D

YEAH!! :wild: :punk:

I'll wait for you! :girl_in_love:

[Sdeidjs]

Don't worry Tha! I understand you! lol :yes::lol:




I also believe! :yes:



:cheeky:

and...

"Let me breathe in my own time and then get back again"

:wild:

:rolleyes2:

Michael, I love you more!!:wub:

Thank You~~~

:angel:Heal The Wold...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[AllForMJ]

Of course Michael can sing!!!! Why he could not ? :scratch:


:scratch:

:bugeyed

:smilerolleyes:

What????? :doh: No comments.... <_< -_-
tha and ashtanga, what I just said is something very, very positive.

:cheers:

[tha]

tha and ashtanga, what I just said is something that African Americans say that means something very, very positive.

Don't worry. There is no way that I would ever think that Mike never could sing.

It is an African American term. I won't go into full details on it. Just trust me on this. It is not negative at all.

:cheers:

Oh, ok ok...... :) ;) Thanks for explain it!













"And snap one's finger: BANG!" :rolleyes2:

[8701girl]

I could not resist and watched "This Is It" again today and I'll watch one more time on saturday!! :)
I'm glad that will be on display just for two weeks, cause it would bankrupt me! :P

I promised myself that i would only watch it twice, last night & on the 4th nov. But i think i might watch it tomorrow hehehe

[tha]

I promised myself that i would only watch it twice, last night & on the 4th nov. But i think i might watch it tomorrow hehehe

If I could and my money was enough, I would watch "This Is It" everyday! :D



I need to confess that I was almost kicked out of the theater yesterday because I was not quiet even one minute! :lol: I was really feeling a Michael's show! :punk:

[8701girl]

If I could and my money was enough, I would watch "This Is It" everyday! :D



I need to confess that I was almost kicked out of the theater yesterday because I was not quiet even one minute! :lol: I was really feeling a Michael's show! :punk:

I wish i could see it everyday!

[Ashtanga]

If I could and my money was enough, I would watch "This Is It" everyday! :D



I need to confess that I was almost kicked out of the theater yesterday because I was not quiet even one minute! :lol: I was really feeling a Michael's show! :punk:
:doh:

[Lainy]

Somebody? *echo* :unsure:

I hear crickets! :scratch:

Lully, I think all were to the movies watch This Is It.. only "you" at home lol
-_- :bored::giggle:

Ok Ladies! I'll share a text about love I read a few days ago, by Clarice Lispector, one of my favorite writers...

THAT'S A LOT OF WISDOM

When we make everything so that love us and we don't obtain, remain us one last resource: don't make nothing more. Therefore, I say,when we do not get love, the affection or the tenderness that we had requested, better will be we give up and seek further ahead the feelings that in had denied. Dont make useless efforts, becouse the love is born, or not, spontaneously, but never for imposition force. Sometimes, is useless to strive youself too, nothing if obtain; other times, nothing we give and the love surrender our feet. The feelings are always a surprise. Never been a begged charity, a compassion or a granted favor. Almost always we love who loves us badly and we despise who better wants us. Thus, I repeat, when we will have made everything to obtain a love, and failed, remain us only one way… the of nothing more make.


And that Michael's pic! so gorgeous!:blush:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/314/gorgeous.jpg :wub:

:girl_aww::girl_in_love:

God bless you! :D

[Ashtanga]

Somebody? *echo* :unsure:

I hear crickets! :scratch:

Lully, I think all were to the movies watch This Is It.. only "you" at home lol
-_- :bored::giggle:

Ok Ladies! I'll share a text about love I read a few days ago, by Clarice Lispector, one of my favorite writers...

THAT'S A LOT OF WISDOM

When we make everything so that love us and we don't obtain, remain us one last resource: don't make nothing more. Therefore, I say,when we do not get love, the affection or the tenderness that we had requested, better will be we give up and seek further ahead the feelings that in had denied. Dont make useless efforts, becouse the love is born, or not, spontaneously, but never for imposition force. Sometimes, is useless to strive youself too, nothing if obtain; other times, nothing we give and the love surrender our feet. The feelings are always a surprise. Never been a begged charity, a compassion or a granted favor. Almost always we love who loves us badly and we despise who better wants us. Thus, I repeat, when we will have made everything to obtain a love, and failed, remain us only one way… the of nothing more make.


And that Michael's pic! so gorgeous!:blush:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/314/gorgeous.jpg :wub:

:girl_aww::girl_in_love:

God bless you! :D
Clarice Lispector is wonderful. :wub: While Clarice is Ukrainian, she was a little Brazilian. :) (http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR&source=translation_link)


This picture is really beautiful, but I always thought it was fitting. :scratch:

No matter, it is a beautiful picture. :wub:

[Lainy]

It's truth Ash!! She is amazing, is a woman shrouded in mystery and his works are as an incognita ... But I think this is the fascination of read Clarice... :blush:

I also got this impression when I see this pic... but is beautiful is not it? :D

[8701girl]

Yes the pic is utter beauty all in its self :wub:

I saw TII again today....2 times!!! ...okay i admit im a alil wee obesssed hehehe :blush:

[AllForMJ]

Oh, ok ok...... :) ;) Thanks for explain it!













"And snap one's finger: BANG!" :rolleyes2:
:lol: You're very, very welcome!! :D

OMG!!! "This Is It" is SO GOOD!!! I'm going to see Mike's movie again on Sunday! Can't WAIT!!! Already bought more tickets today!!!

:wild:

Bravo, Michael!! Bravo!!!
:clapping::clapping:

[AllForMJ]

And that Michael's pic! so gorgeous!:blush:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/314/gorgeous.jpg :wub:

:girl_aww::girl_in_love:

God bless you! :D

Good LAWD, Mike!! :wub: