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Sdeidjs

07-10-2010, 07:05 PM

Hey guys please pardon this post. I wanted to send it to someone but was unable so maybe if they come to this board they will read it.

Thanks!

Yes, I know that song. Somebod'ys knocking should I let him in.

Did the guy you were warned about hurt you or did you run away from the possibility of being hurt?

I understand if you feel the Lord is pulling you away but maybe it's the devil playing with your past hurts so you wont be able to help those here know God more and His will for them.

Your words are very powerful and when I said before that you speak like an angel I wasn't being guile I was pointing out the obvious kind, insightful godly part of you. I am sure you would agree that there are people here who read this thread that are almost oblivious to God- or should I say was? I think you managed to minister to some of these people. Your words and Mysterious Phoenix has helped me. Remember the scripture that says where two or three gather together in my name I am there in the midst? You did that. God was here.

Did you notice how crazy things got after we spoke so highly of God? They even changed the name of where the thread was located! I don't think whoever did it meant wrong but do you get what I am saying? God was moving! You quoted scripture that was amazingly relevent. Not everyone could or would do that. There is strength in numbers and you're walking away. I wont judge you because only you know what God has placed on your heart or what fears you are running from. What I can say again is I hope our paths will cross again.
I may add that I also hope to see you continue to post in the thread if it is God's will and that is what I will pray for. I avoided the selfish prayers I claimed I would likely make:)

Whatever it is you choose to do remember that you made an awesome impact on peoples lives right here.

God bless you!

Dear Favoritetune;
Since the birth of this thread on MJJC...has been a favorite...I/WE will always be here, there, and everywhere. The reflection of thoughts are most intriguing, and very thought provoking.

So Ladies & Gents, please keep them coming.

With regards to lurking and not commenting/sharing/posting/responding in this thread, I/WE have been "very busy" helping to Heal The World~~~

So please forgive...

Therefore, here is a gift from US to each and everyone of you...

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Keep Helping To Heal The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

(c) 2009

L.O.V.E. Always

:angel:

Favoritetune

08-10-2010, 02:37 AM

Thanks for the video Sdeidjs, Love the fireworks in that video!

Has anyone interpreted the lyrics from will you be there?

8701girl

08-10-2010, 02:43 AM

Has anyone interpreted the lyrics from will you be there?

I think michael was asking the ppl in his life to be there for him, he needed to know he could count on someone to hold him up when things werent right

Like he says in the song

"Everyone is taking control of me
im so confused will u show to me u'll be there for me

Favoritetune

08-10-2010, 02:58 AM

Do you ladies think it was about his life then or that it was possibly prophetic or both?

Do you think any of his songs were prophetic and if so which ones and why?

Sdeidjs

08-10-2010, 03:57 AM

Do you ladies think it was about his life then or that it was possibly
prophetic or both?

Do you think any of his songs were prophetic and if so which ones and why?

:punk:

L.O.V.E Always

Thanks for the video Sdeidjs,
Love the fireworks in that video!

Has anyone interpreted the lyrics from will you be there?

:)

L.O.V.E. Always

:angel:

Mmm! I think I made a boo boo and was supposed to combine "both" responses...with the Multi-Quote Function...Not really sure how to fix that..?

Loraine can you help a sister out?

Please forgive me...totally was not intentional..!

Thank You

*************

This composition/film is Breathtakingly Beautiful~~~

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When You Can Live Forever...What do you live for..?

Keep Helping To Heal The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

(c) 2009

As Always

:angel:

Lorraine

08-10-2010, 02:58 PM

^ Posts merged. :banghead :sigh:

Sdeidjs

08-10-2010, 03:39 PM

^ Posts merged. :banghead :sigh:

Thank You for helping a sister out, for all your patience, and understanding.

You Rock..! :punk:

As Always

:angel:

Favoritetune

08-10-2010, 05:52 PM

Hahaha Lorraine that looks like a brick wall you're banging your head against. Is that the opposite of living off the wall?

AllOverAgain

08-10-2010, 07:35 PM

What just came to my mind... FT, you asked what advice we would have given MJ and his LITD girl if the story behind this wonderful thread is real and not just an ongoing interactive love novel. But what we are leaving out of the picture here is (unless you guys talked about this before and I haven't read it because I haven't read the whole thread) how the situation may have ended if not with a happy ending - they never met, he died, and she is left behind. Of course that is a very sad ending if indeed true, but what advice could we give to the LITD girl then? If he had been talking to her through his songs and other messages for so many years while they were still being kept apart for some reason and never got to actually meet or only met briefly, or at least not had become an item, how must that make her feel now? To always have to live with that "what could have been but never will be" in mind. And what if they even had been reconnecting right before June last year and finally wanted to make some changes in the way they communicated (or maybe even more), then all of a sudden were torn apart again but this time once and for all with no way back. And what if the girl was actually the one who kept a distance to MJ in all these years because of fear or anything else and now has to live with the knowledge she can never make up to that again, like it was her fault they never spent more time together and shared their lives? What if MJ was the one keeping a distance to her and made her wait for such a long time, giving her hopes by showing her he was still thinking of her, but in the end for "nothing"? Wouldn't she feel furious in some way now over the situation and then feel bad about the way she feels because he isn't here anymore and she should forgive him - especially if the reason had been fear, something I guess we all can understand?

I just wonder what her situation would be today if she indeed is real. Not the happiest topic I know, but I have a down moment. lol

Sdeidjs

08-10-2010, 08:43 PM

AllOverAgain

08-10-2010, 09:55 PM

In my/"our" humble opinion...I do not think Mr.Michael Jackson or his Angel would have any regrets..!

If, ANYTHING she/"they" would feel "Very Blessed"~~~ (c) 2009 :wub:

I'm sure in any case they/she would feel very blessed, but they aren't/she isn't perfect as no one is and feelings like regret are very human. When things don't turn out the way we would like them to we feel hurt and in addition with that experience other feelings we might not like and aren't proud of. But we do feel them even if we don't want to acknowledge their existence. I see nothing wrong with that, afterall we are all human. I think your outlook on the situation is very idealistic, at least in the way I understand it. What makes you think they/she wouldn't feel any of that at all?

Favoritetune

09-10-2010, 12:43 AM

AllOverAgain, good questions I think and you're making me think. What if?

If she does exist she would probably be dealing with all sorts of emotions but I'm willing to bet if such a remarkable love affair did exist then that same love would erase all regrets. As Sdeidjs said she would likely feel blessed in thinking of that love. If she was spiritual then she would trust that God's hand is always at work in everyones life and that too would remove any regrets I think.

Now what if there were lots of women thinking they were his "litdg?" How would all this make them feel? That is another question I don't guess has been talked about and everyone has valid emotions.

Before your questions could be answered though I guess you would need to decide if they ever met or did they never meet? Love is a powerfully emotion and MJ had all the ladies falling head over heels in love with him but who was special in his heart? Was it one lady or many? I imagine if he ignored his "litdg" for some other woman then she would have regrets because he would have made a choice and it wasn't her. I imagine she would feel hurt and betrayed.

If his "litdg" was with another man then she would still have regrets and likely blame herself for them never being together.

If his "litdg" was faithful, loving and he knew this and remained the same then I don't imagine she would have any regrets whatsoever for any time lost between them. If he were gone never to return she would likely trust that she would find a way to him. She would live a life to it's fullest and honor his memory until she too reached heaven if he was forever gone.

The bible says fear God only so if she or MJ were dealing with fear that is something they would need to just get over and go on with life.

Regrets are for those who never try.

8701girl

09-10-2010, 01:46 AM

Do you ladies think it was about his life then or that it was possibly prophetic or both?

Do you think any of his songs were prophetic and if so which ones and why?

I think for michael songwriting was like therapy for him, it helped with releasing all the hurt, anger & sadness out of him. It also helped with sharing the joys in his life too.

AllOverAgain

09-10-2010, 08:06 AM

If his "litdg" was faithful, loving and he knew this and remained the same then I don't imagine she would have any regrets whatsoever for any time lost between them. If he were gone never to return she would likely trust that she would find a way to him. She would live a life to it's fullest and honor his memory until she too reached heaven if he was forever gone.

Regrets are for those who never try.

Let's say they never met and therefore never really tried to be together since I don't see talking through mysterious messages really as trying but actually as the "cowardly" (harsh word, don't know any better right now) way of loving someone. I think regrets that they never did try hard enough would be legitimate then and that's the kind of regrets I'm talking about here. Not that they had regrets about the time they did have together and that they would feel as if it would have been better if their ways had never crossed in the first place since it didn't work out anyway.
With time we see things differently and notice what we could have done differently and wonder what had happened if we had done this or that instead. I think that may have happened to her after his passing and though it's an unhealthy way of thinking we all thend to do this every now and then, especially after someone's death.

I imagine if he ignored his "litdg" for some other woman then she would have regrets because he would have made a choice and it wasn't her. I imagine she would feel hurt and betrayed.

I don't think she would have regrets here. I'm sure she would be very hurt and sad about his decision to be with someone else than her and that she would be wondering why he had been sending her messages for such a long time just to choose someone else in the end and therefore, yes, probably also feel betrayed. But I could imagine that she would be rational enough to know that she didn't own MJ and that it wasn't some sort of betrayal of her as long as they weren't an item.
Maybe it was even easier for her to accept and let go because at least he made a decision and though it was against her she knew there was nothing she could/should do about his decision. I think it would be a hard but also in way easier situation for her, at least she knew where she was standing with him and make a decision for herself based on that and not make a decision though he was there somewhere talking to her in some way, not knowing in what kind of direction they were really going and if there were moving and one day getting closer at all. Would she had been willing to wait and take the risk that in the end it would never work out between them or would she feel that since time is something we all don't get back that she should rather spend it with someone she could actually be with? Could she even make a decision herself, wouldn't her heart make a decision for her even though her mind was telling her differently?
But now I think that maybe I am wrong in the above and it wouldn't make her decision that much easier if he was with someone else since her heart would probably still tell her to wait and have faith no matter what. And what can you really do if your heart doesn't let you move on?

If his "litdg" was with another man then she would still have regrets and likely blame herself for them never being together.

Yes, probably she would blame herself. But then I would give her the advice to think about her reasons why she was with that other man instead of MJ and what makes her think she should have been with him now and not when she had the possibility. There must be a good reason on which she based her decision back then.

Now what if there were lots of women thinking they were his "litdg?" How would all this make them feel? That is another question I don't guess has been talked about and everyone has valid emotions.

If they all had good reasons to believe they may have been the one and all knew of another I think they would either have a big catfight or sit down and talk :lol: I could imagine that talking would help them a lot, I'm sure they would share a lot of the same amotions since they would all be in the very same situation. Maybe it would also help them to know that they maybe even never were the LITD girl and therefore a lot of sadness that it didn't work out between them could be removed. The chances it was them would be much less anyway with so many girls.

Favoritetune

10-10-2010, 01:45 AM

AllOverAgain you said:

"Let's say they never met and therefore never really tried to be together"

And:

"Not that they had regrets about the time they did have together and that they would feel as if it would have been better if their ways had never crossed in the first place since it didn't work out anyway."

So now I am confused and unable to even try to give an answer:)

AllOverAgain

10-10-2010, 03:31 AM

Sorry for any confusion. Though I'm not sure what exactly you are confused about since you didn't point that out, I have an idea what the problem may be:

AllOverAgain you said:

"Let's say they never met and therefore never really tried to be together"

Well, we had a bunch of reasons listed in this thread why they may have never met in the phyiscal. You said to give an answer I should decide if they or if they didn't meet, that's what I did for my elaboration. But I am not the kind of person who believes in curses or anything likewise so I based my thoughts on more rational reasons, like fear as Shabuya also elaborated in their post. Therefore I would see the repsonsibility of them not having met in this case on either one or even both of them, therefore saying they didn't try hard enough to overcome everything that stood in their way. The "never" may sound quite off but I am of the opinion that if they had really wanted to meet they would have succeeded. Is that the point you were talking about?

"Not that they had regrets about the time they did have together and that they would feel as if it would have been better if their ways had never crossed in the first place since it didn't work out anyway."

Ok, here I worded things really stupid and didn't notice it :lol: When I wrote "the time they did have together" I actually meant the time they spent talking in mysterious ways together. I just don't think that they would ever regret that their ways crossed even if they may never got to be together in the physical or even talk one on one as opposed to through lyrics and the spiritual.

I hope it's gotten more clear now? If not, ask away! Sorry, I'm not a native speaker and these kind of things will probably happen again :P

Yikes, now I got it! Your point was my contradiction :lol: Sometimes I'm really slow, nevermind LOL

Asedora

10-10-2010, 04:04 AM

You gusy are amazing! I almost left but here I am again lol I have to catch up now :) I just wanted to put some of my thoughts here regarding this quote below because I did find it really funny :lol:

If they all had good reasons to believe they may have been the one and all knew of another I think they would either have a big catfight or sit down and talk :lol: I could imagine that talking would help them a lot, I'm sure they would share a lot of the same amotions since they would all be in the very same situation. Maybe it would also help them to know that they maybe even never were the LITD girl and therefore a lot of sadness that it didn't work out between them could be removed. The chances it was them would be much less anyway with so many girls.

I think Michael had "catfight" and all sort of related "craziness" around him constantly when he was alive. I assume that LITD (if she exists) had to be pretty much aware of this kind of situation and I do not think she would want to be a part of it. lol It just does not fit his lyrics concept. That's all I can to say :)

No-Body

10-10-2010, 05:10 PM

Okay folks, those of you who know me long and well enough know that i don't really play by the rules of the game and whenever i post something in here there ain't much of a connection to what's being talked @ the moment and, amazingly enough, i get away wit it, well almost...with small, but significant exceptions when i'm called out on it. Well, i ain't about to change my colors. Sure hope nobody expects some truly relevant and “current” comments from my shaggy Shabby behind lol.

Y'all betta pay attention though cause i'm about to get brilliant and that don't happen very often, only every two minutes or so lol. Didn't i mention already that i'm not only smokin' hot, so much so that steam comes out of my every pore even in freezing temperatures, but i also have a mind sharper than a razor? And as if that wasn't enough i also have a most wicked sense of humor. I'm soo funny that i laugh at my own jokes, alongside others, of course. Thing is, not only do i make folks laugh, but i can also make them cry, everyone from little boys to grown men, either cause of sheer delight or cause they can't live without my bad self. And on top of it aaall, my modesty and humility are my best assets.

Putting jokes aside and lame attempts at demonstrating that sense of humor which would be the only thing close to reality from all of the above lies, i got a pretty long post comin' up (how surprising, right? looool). Thing is, this time around i'll try to keep my ramblin' to a minimum (whatever dat means in my terms); there ain't gonna be no pictures and no videos either. Some might wonder – what is there left then? How bout some paintings? Not only one or a couple of them, but many, reaaally many.

By pure and simple chance i discovered the work of an amazing artist of Russian origin called Vladimir Kush who now lives in Hawaii. All copyright belongs to him. The pictures i am about to post are taken from www.paragonfineart.com (www.paragonfineart.com) I instantly feel in love with his paintings which belong, according to him, to the metaphorical realism style; i think that is very good definition for his work.

Looking thru them it got me thinkin' of this thread and the possible story behind it, IF of course there is such a creature as the litdg. Goes without sayin' that all that i'm bout to put in here is mere speculation on my part (kinda like them movie disclaimers – any and all resemblance to any real person is sheer coincidence) since i've never met either of the “characters” of this plot, i'm just speculatin' my imagination away. In any case, let's all make this an exercise in imagination and enjoy some beautiful art. I'll be using italics for the name of the paitings, or slight variations of them. Here goes the story i 'saw'.....

Once upon a time, in an atlas of wonder

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/atlas-of-wander.jpg

the book of books had set aside a story unlike no other between a man and a woman. Theirs was no ordinary love.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/book-of-books.jpg

She was a waiting rose

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/Rose%20Awaiting.jpg

and he was Icarus who had burnt his wings flying in too close a promixity to the sun of fame and infatuation far too many times.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/icarus.jpg

When they found real love in each other they felt as though the flower ship had finally arrived in the ports of their lives

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/arrival-of-the-flower-ship.jpg

and they had found the keys to each other's heart.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/keys-lg.jpg

She was his hibiscus dancer

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his cinderella princess

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and the candle that kept him warm

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and in the music of the woods the love they had was hot like fire

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/music-of-the-woods.jpg

and they shared the fiery dance cause theirs was a groovy kind of love.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/fiery-dance.jpg

In the anticipation of night's shelter

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/anticipation-of-nights-shelter.jpg

while he was moonwatching keeping her safe wrapped up in his thoughts

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she was sleeping peacefully on her pillow book.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/pillow-book-lg.jpg

And after an invite for lunch

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as the tide of time was pushing through the sea of life

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they left the wardrobe, the lion and the witch behind

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cause they got in the way of the morning blossom

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and because they wanted to do things properly in the pursue of lust

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their shells became one and it felt right, just as it should have.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/shell.jpg

They thought they had reached the garden of eden

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and its walnut.

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They had reached such a surreal kind of happiness they felt as though they were flying without wings and even though she could fly, she needed his wings and even though she shined in the darkness, she craved the light he brought. There was so much love between them they thought they had sailed away on the winged ship and nobody could come betweent them

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/departure-of-the-winged-ship.jpg

only to discover in the fauna of la Mancha their dreams shattered

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/fauna-in-la-mancha.jpg

by the green apple of confusion, pride, fear and envy. There wasn't any witch around to be blamed, but they were left wondering – was it ever real, was it an illusion, wasn't it all just in their heads?

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/green-apple.jpg

Still...worlds apart, they were hoping for a time when they would once again toast to their time together

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/to-our-time-together.jpg

and even though the spiral of time kept them apart for what seemed like an eternity

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/Spiral%20of%20Time%20-%20original%20-%20med.jpg

they fought to the full top because they knew their love was worth all the pain and heartache.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/to%20the%20top%20full.jpg

And in the safehaven of a place known only to them

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defying the laws of physics they managed to make time stand still for a moment

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a moment long enough to confess to each other their mistakes and the undying love for one another. And although he was the first to stand on his knees, she followed him shortly to the ground in a loving embrace sharing tears of happiness at their renewed joy and blessing.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/confession-lg.jpg

But.....the merciless arrow of time came in, shot him in the heart

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and the last time she saw him he was walking though the doors of the neverending night.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/doors-of-the-night.jpg

Her heart was broken, almost beyond repair but she knew she had to go on because at the end of the metamorphosis of life on earth

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they would always be together

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in heaven.

http://www.paragonfineart.com/images/kush/haven.jpg

A beautiful story, right? Sad at times, but always enchanting proving that love is not only the greatest show on earth, but also the most powerful force in the universe. And when we are talking about the blessed connection between a man and a woman then it has a power so great that nothing can defeat it - human frailties, less than favorable circumstances, the enemy's deceit or even death.

Vladimir Kush truly is amazing, isn't he? Here's a very illustrative quote from him “Due to political and geographic restraints, i was forced to travel with my mind as a child, and it is this most of all that has shaped my artistic perception and voice, but I would likely never have painted the colors or clouds seen in my paintings if it hadn’t been for the sights of my tropical, second home.” You can read more about his life story and see other works of his at http://www.paragonfineart.com/artists/vladimir-kush.html (http://www.paragonfineart.com/artists/vladimir-kush.html) I bet Asedora will enjoy it ;) nice to see ya back btw.

Y'all excuse the interruption, chao chiao. :cheeky: See you all soon, perhaps a lot sooner than expected or desired. :P

Asedora

10-10-2010, 05:27 PM

Thank you Shabaya, I am already enjoyning it ;) His paintings are so beautiful. I really like them and your story is amazing. I guess it contains a lot of truth.
Thank you for shearing :flowers:

Sdeidjs

10-10-2010, 07:51 PM

I'm sure in any case they/she would feel very blessed, but they aren't/she isn't perfect as no one is and feelings like regret are very human. When things don't turn out the way we would like them to we feel hurt and in addition with that experience other feelings we might not like and aren't proud of. But we do feel them even if we don't want to acknowledge their existence. I see nothing wrong with that, afterall
we are all human.
I think your outlook on the situation is very idealistic, at least in the way I understand it.
What makes you think they/she wouldn't feel any of that at all?

With all do respect, Idealistic? To say at the very least...quite the contrary.

All the answer (s) to the question (s) we all seek have always been right in front of us..!

With that being said; "NO ONE" can "EVER" change the past..Reality IS What It Is...And Shall "Forever" be a very big part of H.I.S.tory..!"

Therefore:

As Mr.Michael Jackson so eloquently "lived by" this reflections of thought from many many moons ago...

You probably can't read the words in the note next to the accompanying photo of Michael Jackson, http://www.redroom.com/image/michael-jackson-giving-it-his-all-concert-around-1995-photographer-unknown but they were handwritten by the singer himself during the mid 1990s when he was constantly on tour and just as constantly a subject of much public ridicule and condemnation. This note was composed on hotel stationery and, complete with original spellings, grammar, and format, reads as follows:

"like the old Indian proverb says do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his moccasins.

Most people don't know me, that is why they write such things in wich most is not true

I cry very very often because it hurts and I worry about the children all my children all over the world, I live for them.

If a man could say nothing against a character but what he can prove, history could not be written.

Animals strike, not from malice, but because they want to live, it is the same with those who criticize, they desire our blood, not our pain. But still I must achieve I must seek truth in all things. I must endure for the power I was sent forth, for the world for the children.

But have mercy, for I've been bleeding a long time now."

M.J. (circa 1995)

Source:http://www.redroom.com/image/michael-jackson-giving-it-his-all-concert-around-1995-photographer-unknown

*************

Part 1 of 2 of an Undiscovered Michaelangelo: The Journal Of Reflection Of Thought TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE (originally copywritten in 1995)

"Proceeds of which will be donated to two mutually agreed upon prearranged charities"

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?

Photo Album - my pictures: The Journal of Reflection and Thought TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE

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Psalm 37

(c) 2009

P.e.a.c.e & L.o.v.e

God Bless

As Always

:angel:

AllOverAgain

10-10-2010, 08:34 PM

Wow, Shabuya, beautiful story and stunning pictures. Thank you so much for taking the time to share both! :flowers:

Sdeidjs, I'm sorry but I just don't understand you :no: Why are you posting exactly that quote of MJ? As I understand it it's about getting judged and hurting because of that, but I don't understand the connection here?

And yes, we can't change the past but just because you know in your head that regrets aren't helpful doesn't mean you don't feel any of them in your heart. And I think to act like you don't feel what you feel makes things just worse. Some time ago I tried to do exactly that with another person, to ignore my real feelings and instead wanting to act "right" and feel what was "right" to feel, and with that tried to make myself and that someone perfect. Needless to say that in the end that wasn't very helpful at all as I was just lying to myself and raising the bar too high for myself and that other person. So yes, I still see it as being very idealistic if you think none of them would possibly feel any regrets and didn't wish that some things would have gone differently, just because it's the rational thing (the "right" thing) to do. I'm not saying they definitely would have regrets, but I am open for the possibility. It depends very much on what their situation really would have been, what we all don't know as we don't even know if that girl really exists.

Sdeidjs

10-10-2010, 08:43 PM

I'm sure in any case they/she would feel very blessed, but they aren't/she isn't perfect as no one is and feelings like regret are very human. When things don't turn out the way we would like them to we feel hurt and in addition with that experience other feelings we might not like and aren't proud of. But we do feel them even if we don't want to acknowledge their existence. I see nothing wrong with that, afterall we are all human. I think your outlook on the situation is very idealistic, at least in the way I understand it. What makes you think they/she wouldn't feel any of that at all?

Wow, Shabuya, beautiful story and stunning pictures. Thank you so much for taking the time to share both! :flowers:

Sdeidjs, I'm sorry but I just don't understand you :no: Why are you posting exactly that quote of MJ? As I understand it it's about getting judged and hurting because of that, but I don't understand the connection here?

And yes, we can't change the past but just because you know in your head that regrets aren't helpful doesn't mean you don't feel any of them in your heart. And I think to act like you don't feel what you feel makes things just worse. Some time ago I tried to do exactly that with another person, to ignore my real feelings and instead wanting to act "right" and feel what was "right" to feel, and with that tried to make myself and that someone perfect. Needless to say that in the end that wasn't very helpful at all as I was just lying to myself and raising the bar too high for myself and that other person. So yes, I still see it as being very idealistic if you think none of them would possibly feel any regrets and didn't wish that some things would have gone differently, just because it's the rational thing (the "right" thing) to do. I'm not saying they definitely would have regrets, but I am open for the possibility. It depends very much on what their situation really would have been, what we all don't know as we don't even know if that girl really exists.

"Like the old Indian proverb says do not judge a man until you've walked 2 moons in his moccasins"

Michael Jackson

"Knowledge IS Growth...Growth IS The Path To Happiness And The Fulfillment of Life~~~ (c) 1995

Peace & Happiness

God Bless

As Always

:angel:

AllOverAgain

10-10-2010, 09:04 PM

Sdeidjs

10-10-2010, 10:27 PM

Um, ok. :unsure:

Could you please explain to me in your own words what you mean, Sdeidjs, as opposed to quotes where I can guess what you are trying to really tell me with them? Because I still don't understand you though it comes across to me that you think that I am judging you or MJ for something, but I am not sure for what that would be since I am under the impression that I am not judging anyone for anything. I am just exploring things and trying to understand...

Idealism/Idealistic: is the philosophical theory which maintains that the ultimate nature of reality is based on the mind or ideas.

Reality: is the state of things as they "actually exist", rather than as they may appear or may be thought to be. In its widest definition, reality includes everything that is and has being, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible.

Therefore,

In The Essence of R.E.A.L.I.T.Y~~~

Part 1 of 2 of an Undiscovered Michaelangelo: The Journal Of Reflections Of Thought TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE (originally copywritten in 1995)

"Proceeds of which will be donated to two mutually agreed upon prearranged charities"

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?

Photo Album - my pictures: The Journal of Reflection and Thought TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE

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Psalm 37

Hence: In my/"our" humble opinion...I do not think Mr.Michael Jackson or his Angel would have any regrets..!

If, ANYTHING she/"they" would feel "Very Blessed"~~~ (c) 2009

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One of Mr.Michael Jackson's Favorite Composition (s)/Artist (s) (c) 2009

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Peace, Happiness and L.O.V.E

God Bless

:angel:

8701girl

11-10-2010, 02:09 AM

She was his hibiscus dancer

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his cinderella princess

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What the :blink:...LOL

Favoritetune

11-10-2010, 05:29 AM

Wow Shabuya, very nice picture! Thanks for sharing with us. Also, very nice story line but now you'll have to do a sequel:D

AllOverAgain, I am so glad you got what I was saying because at first when I started reading your post I was baffled that you didn't get me.

When people say regrets I think it gets confused with sorrow. In my mind sorrow is different than regret. Regret hurts for wanting to change things and sorrow in my opinion simply exists until it is placed aside.

If she exists I am sure both of them likely felt sorrow for not spending more time together but I don't think they would change the past if they could because I think they both would believe God would work things out for them and maybe everything was all part of His divine plan.

AllOverAgain

11-10-2010, 09:06 AM

Sdeidjs, thanks for trying again but I will give up on trying to understand your point. Your posts get only more complicated and confusing for me.

If she exists I am sure both of them likely felt sorrow for not spending more time together but I don't think they would change the past if they could because I think they both would believe God would work things out for them and maybe everything was all part of His divine plan.

Lol! That's what I've been trying to say all along, just that I was struggling to explain it in one passage while you could perfectly write it down in just one sentence. Well done! :)

Maybe this just isn't the right place for me to discuss with other people. I notice I have a too hard time to get someone's post as I have to explain my own points. I think I will go back to just observing what everyone else comes up with, funny enough that's when I've always gotten everyone's posts without any problems. Who knows what reason is behind that, I have my guess... Much love! :flowers:

Favoritetune

11-10-2010, 06:36 PM

Sdeidjs

12-10-2010, 12:48 AM

Keep Helping To Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

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Peace, Happiness & L.O.V.E

God Bless

As Always

:angel:

8701girl

12-10-2010, 01:48 AM

Um? Okay.

So who was talking about cat fights? Would you ladies really fight her if MJ really had a litdg? Wouldn't that be fighting him asw well?

I wonder how many women think they should be with MJ and how would they know they were "the one" or not "the one."

How many guys are heartbroken wanting to be "the one" for them?

Do you ladies think that a lady who had never met MJ should not have dated any guys since she was waiting for the man himself or should she have lived her life and go out on dates until fate interviened?

i wouldnt fight her- her relationship with mj would not have been any of my business. If he was happy for her and truly loved & repescted each other i would have totally happy for them.

The reason why i have no repesct for LMP is mainly coz of her backstabbing and lack of repesct for mj.

Well if a lady never met mj i think she should have gone on with her life until fate interviened. Coz the thing is ..what if she never will meet him? If she was the type of woman to wait till lover finds her and if that made her happy -why not.

i guess it all depends on how she felt bout love, life & relationships.

Sdeidjs

12-10-2010, 03:45 AM

Angel of Light

It’s hard to see angels, although I’ve stared at their pictures for hours. Some people can see them without pictures, and they tell interesting tales. Guardian angels are all female, for instance, which didn’t surprise me once I found out. A birth angel, recruited from the younger ranks, attends every baby when it appears, while another angel, older but not grim, helps the dying to leave this world without grief or pain.

You can pray to the angels and they will listen, but the best way to call them, I am told, is to laugh. Angels respond to delight, because that is what they are made of. In fact, when people are clouded by anger or hatred, no angel can reach them.
Not all angels have wings-so the visionaries claim-but those who do can unfurl a span of golden feathers stretching over the entire world. If you had eyes that could look straight into the sun, you would see an overwhelming angel residing there; a more serine one smiles out from the face of the moon.

Angels spend their entire lives, which are forever, spinning around the Creator’s throne, singing His praise. People with keen ears have listened in. The harmonies of the angelic choir are incredibly complex, they say, but the rhythm is simple. “It’s mostly march time,” one eavesdropper affirmed. For some reason, that fact is almost the best I have learned so far.

After a while it got lonely hearing about angels you couldn’t see for yourself. When an angel- watcher heard that, she was shocked. “Not see?” she said. “But you have an angel inside of you. Everybody does. I can see it right now, and I thought you could, too.” “No,” I said sadly, and I asked what did it look like. “Did it look like me?”

“Well, yes and no, “the angel-watcher mysteriously answered. “It all depends on what you think you are. Your angel is a speck of light perched at the very center of your heart. It is smaller than an atom, but just wait. Once you get close to it, your angel will expand. The closer you come, the more it will grow, until finally, in a burst of light, you will see your angel in its true shape, and at that very instant, you will see yourself.”

So now I am looking for my angel all the time. I sit silently, turning my gaze inward. It wasn’t long before I caught a glimpse of something. “Is that you, Angel, holding a candle?” One flicker and it was gone. Yet that was enough to set my heart wildly beating. Next time my angel will be waving a light, then holding a torch aloft, then lighting a bonfire.

That’s what the angel-watcher promised, and now that I have caught the sight of glory, I know enough to believe.

"Dancing the Dream
Poems and Reflections"

Written By
Michael Jackson
July 1992

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All I gotta say...Susie Deeds aka sdeidjs... ‎"IS "V.E.R.Y B.L.E.S.S.E.D and V.E.R.Y P.R.O.U.D" to be Born, Bread and Raised from the H.O.M.E of Rock and Roll Cleveland, OH USA..!" Cleveland Rocks~~~

Peace, Happiness, and L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Psalm 37

As Always

:angel:

(c) 2009

*************

Inspiring minds desire to know...

What do you "think" Mr.Michael Jackson thought about when he created;

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Asedora

12-10-2010, 05:02 PM

What do you "think" Mr.Michael Jackson thought about when he created;

English is not my native language but even I can hear that Speechless lyrics which is online evrywhere contains HUGE mitakes. Many times when I listen to Speechless makes me wonder if it just me who can hear those mistakes?

Ape

12-10-2010, 07:04 PM

Thanks for letting us know how the movie is going, Ape. Will it be sold on DVD? It's good to read you again :)
Hi :) (Sorry for this little interruption. I just wanted to reply to this. You can buy the DVD from it's website http://tumainimovie.com/site/Welcome.html here. He also said that it may eventually be available on Amazon.com if anyone is interested. It's playing in a few festivals around Canada and a few screenings at different theaters. Independant film so not a big release everywhere)
ok back to your regular programming ;)

Sdeidjs

14-10-2010, 09:56 AM

i know i've been out of sight,

i know it's just not right

but i hope you will forgive me

i've been busy you see

i just haven't been free.

keep spreading the love

on the wings of the dove

the problems are solved.

the truth lies therein

justice is never a sin

with it you'll always win.

that one was for you, susie. :)

Michael Jackson
April 16, 2009

The Journal Of Reflections of Thoughts Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 2009
(Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged, mutually agreed upon charities)

sdeidjs@www.myspace.com - Photo album

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Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

As Always

:angel:

Ape

15-10-2010, 08:37 PM

oops! ..and Shabuya, you said YOU are one to put things in here that don't fit. Look at me. That is what happens when I don't have time enough to read the whole thread. I get to read a page maybe once a week usually if that. Sorry for writing that in there when the conversation was getting so good and flowing so nicely.

AllOverAgain, I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed your posts now that I got to read them. I think you are perfectly understandable. Sometimes it just takes some time to feel comfortable posting. Then eventually you can get to a stage where you disregard everything that is going on and post something completely out of place like I did ;). .. or maybe you will be more polite than I was.

I like the thoughts that are going on in here now. I wish I were more a part of it all again or had the time to take part again. Shabuya I was happy to read you speaking so well of yourself there. Then you had to write that it is lies or a joke.. no maam those are truer words than some you have spoken of yourself. You and Queen often speak with great wisdom and then dismiss yourself as being dim and you are not even close. Don't worry, I can see you both to know that you are very intelligent and I am sure many more can as well. I hope you don't truly believe that you aren't intelligent or interesting or relevant. I suppose I am also guilty of talking that way of myself. I just don't want to appear a know it all. Maybe it is the same for you two as well.

Your story was sad and beautiful. I guess how love can be. I just hope that happiness outweighs the sadness.

If she is alive and indeed real, well ... for myself, when my father died earlier this year, I had regrets. I even had anger towards him for being so difficult to get ahold of. I think those feelings would be very valid in dealing with his death or in dealing with time spent apart. Life can sometimes feel very long, but in looking back...so short. All the moments spent together (whatever way together is) is never enough. All the precious memories don't satiete the need for more time and more moments spent together.
If any of you have love and are apart from the one you love, I think you shouldn't rest until you are together. How sad to get to the end of your life and realize all the time that had been spent apart when it could have been together. Could you ever truly regret being with the one you love earlier than planned when that love is true? The only way you could is if it turned out to be false somehow and even then it would be better to know earlier than later. Or maybe this is me being idealistic.

(also, interesting that this thread is now a sticky :) )

ms fairy

15-10-2010, 10:00 PM

wow! very impressive thread so much so that its impossible for me to catch up and keep up and I know I have missed out on some good gems of important information! I think that they would feel on one hand very blessed yet on another very cursed. The problems and obstacles that they have experienced throughout history obviously at times were quite dangerous and life threatening and they did what ever to keep themselves and each other alive. I think they both experienced a lot of traumatizing moments. I think the lyrics and adlibs of the past show some of the kinds of nightmares they had gone through and the last rehearsals give updates to their situation and what needs to be done and in order for justice and peace to happen. I think they endured alot of satans evildoers and its still happening. It's no coincidence that Lopez is also dead and it shouldn't be a surprise that its covered up and claimed a suicide. A lot of evildoers have their agendas and they do know her. ...and yes she survived so far , she is alive. Alot of people know her and MJ but where are the ones that actually care, why havent they been there for them and where are they now? With murder conspiracies satans want money and guaranteed silence of those they victimized which means many murders.There is no doubt that for them fear is part of it and needs to be as the nightmares are real. She needs to be supported and protected by those that are sincere and genuinely care for them and justice. Those that know them, have a connection to them need to find her, contact her, go see her, help her, they need to be smart and fast about it...and MJ tried to show that in the clips before he died. There are people that know her and have her contact info, some are creating blockades, gatekeeping for their own agendas, while others are trying to connect with her and save her. I think we have noticed that the same enemies have been in and out of their lives throughout history and MJ pointed some of them out in recent clips. Mj already gave the evidence, he knew there is a murder conspiracy and showed who the criminals are in the this is it, he was preparing and warning those that are in the know and that are innocent that care so that they know how to be of help and also to protect themselves and her. The innocent ones that are in the know need to strongly quickly come together which includes especially 'her'. She is the key to ending the corruption and a lot of people know that, so it depends on what some of those people really are about. Positive change and justice comes from a place of LOVE not agendas of money or whatever otherwise the tragedies will continue happening over and over again.... Unfortunately that is what we are seeing is the ones with the lack of quality in character keep popping up in the mix. I am waiting on the quality of characters or what I call the 'love tribe' to strategize and step it up. I do believe love is the main ingredient and a dash of courage and wisdom is the recipe to quickly remedy these unique circumstances... letting go and letting god has been so overused that it can sometimes get misused by those that want to enable or cover up corruption, they support the status quo...the true meaning is to up the efforts and include God, blessings...

Ashtanga

15-10-2010, 11:01 PM

Once upon a time, in an atlas of wonder

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the book of books had set aside a story unlike no other between a man and a woman. Theirs was no ordinary love.

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She was a waiting rose

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and he was Icarus who had burnt his wings flying in too close a promixity to the sun of fame and infatuation far too many times.

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When they found real love in each other they felt as though the flower ship had finally arrived in the ports of their lives

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and they had found the keys to each other's heart.

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She was his hibiscus dancer

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his cinderella princess

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and the candle that kept him warm

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and in the music of the woods the love they had was hot like fire

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and they shared the fiery dance cause theirs was a groovy kind of love.

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In the anticipation of night's shelter

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while he was moonwatching keeping her safe wrapped up in his thoughts

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she was sleeping peacefully on her pillow book.

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And after an invite for lunch

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as the tide of time was pushing through the sea of life

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they left the wardrobe, the lion and the witch behind

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cause they got in the way of the morning blossom

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and because they wanted to do things properly in the pursue of lust

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their shells became one and it felt right, just as it should have.

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They thought they had reached the garden of eden

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and its walnut.

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They had reached such a surreal kind of happiness they felt as though they were flying without wings and even though she could fly, she needed his wings and even though she shined in the darkness, she craved the light he brought. There was so much love between them they thought they had sailed away on the winged ship and nobody could come betweent them

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only to discover in the fauna of la Mancha their dreams shattered

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by the green apple of confusion, pride, fear and envy. There wasn't any witch around to be blamed, but they were left wondering – was it ever real, was it an illusion, wasn't it all just in their heads?

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Still...worlds apart, they were hoping for a time when they would once again toast to their time together

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and even though the spiral of time kept them apart for what seemed like an eternity

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they fought to the full top because they knew their love was worth all the pain and heartache.

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And in the safehaven of a place known only to them

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defying the laws of physics they managed to make time stand still for a moment

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a moment long enough to confess to each other their mistakes and the undying love for one another. And although he was the first to stand on his knees, she followed him shortly to the ground in a loving embrace sharing tears of happiness at their renewed joy and blessing.

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But.....the merciless arrow of time came in, shot him in the heart

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and the last time she saw him he was walking though the doors of the neverending night.

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Her heart was broken, almost beyond repair but she knew she had to go on because at the end of the metamorphosis of life on earth

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they would always be together

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in heaven.

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:o

:clapping:

The art is wonderful! Beautiful! :wild: Thanks for posting. :)

As the rest of this thread... >>> :hi: I hope everyone is ok. :yes: :give_heart: :angel:

Hey.... :unsure: Today (Oct. 15) makes 17 years that Michael was in Brazil with the Dangerous Tour! And October 17th was the second concert! :o :dance: :D

Oh Michael... :cry:

Sdeidjs

16-10-2010, 11:48 AM

APRIL 14, 2009

HI Susie here's the vids i promised. some of them no longer have audio to them, though.

"Spent a lot of time at this particular orphanage and i know most of these children very well"

Michael Jackson

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The Journal Of Reflections of Thought Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 2009
Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities.

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Love Always

:angel:

Sdeidjs

17-10-2010, 11:29 PM

RE: #2 of 12 Videos

April 14, 2009

HI Susie here's the vids i promised. some of them no longer have audio to them, though.

here's one of my favorites. I met this singer and his family when he gave a concert and performed this song at an orphanage. he is a superstar in his country.

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The Journal of Reflections of Thought Truth of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 2009
"Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities."

Peace, Happiness, and L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Love Always

:angel:

8701girl

18-10-2010, 01:52 AM

I have been having a mj related dreams these past two nights and they are alil confusing lol :)

The other night i dreamt that i was in the crowd and we all were singing to "heal the world" but i didnt see michael at all but heard him i think.

Then last night i dreamt that i was in some store looking at mj picture wall posters and the next thing i know MICHAEL WAS THERE !!

Sdeidjs

18-10-2010, 03:30 AM

I have been having a mj related dreams these past two nights and they are alil confusing lol :)

The other night i dreamt that i was in the crowd and
we all were singing to "heal the world" but i didnt see michael at all but
"heard" him i think.

Then last night i dreamt that i was in some store looking at mj picture wall posters and the next thing i know MICHAEL WAS THERE !!

Mr.Michael Jackson would be "VERY PROUD"..! :wub:

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Love Always

:angel:

MysteriousPhoenix

18-10-2010, 08:45 PM

The LITD thread is now a STICKY??? Hahahahaha!!! I needed a good laugh today! Well, shooby dooby do da day!

Sdeidjs

18-10-2010, 08:57 PM

April 16, 2009

Susie, you have the heart as big as the pacific. Keep doing what you do to help people, the seeds are planted through your actions. Remember the one-eyed guy you told me about, remember such and such and so and so? all examples of the seeds planted...though you will probably not see their fruit...

It isn't about reaching the masses...it's about building relationships. If i can help 5 people and build a relationship with them, that would mean more to me than helping 100,000 that i would never had the pleasure of meeting.

Michael Jackson

The Journal of Reflections of Thought Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black or White (c) 2009
Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities.

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Love Always

:angel:

Lorraine

18-10-2010, 09:05 PM

^ Susie. If you don't mind me asking. What proof did you have from this person that they were infact Michael Jackson?

Edit: And in a way I will understand, Not riddle speak. :D lol

Ashtanga

18-10-2010, 10:00 PM

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Lorraine.... your siggy >>>> :in_love:

Lorraine

18-10-2010, 10:04 PM

I know. :swoon: lol :heart:

Ashtanga

18-10-2010, 10:05 PM

I know. :swoon: lol :heart:

Yeah.... :naughty:

8701girl

19-10-2010, 12:15 AM

Mr.Michael Jackson would be "VERY PROUD"..! :wub:

:D :D

I had another mj related dream again last night and its so werid its been happening alot lately.

Last nights dream was i was watching moonwalker on tv and my stepdad came in and was like " ugh why u watchin him for again!??? dont have u have anything else to watch!!??" and i was like "nope" LOL...odd dream

Sdeidjs

19-10-2010, 02:54 AM

^
Susie. If you don't mind me asking. What proof did you have from this person that they were infact Michael Jackson?

Edit: And in a way I will understand, Not riddle speak. :D lol

Being a 40 + veteran in the world of the Jackson 5, The Jacksons, and Mr. Michael Jackson. I have seen MANY come and go; many getting duped, scammed, and taken advantage of. It is said, with knowledge comes wisdom and experience. For as long as I can remember I have been a research buff and throughout the years to current a legal beagle of research. I not only come from being raised from a strict Irish Catholic family but have learned to be cautious, analytical, practical, and protective of Mr. Michael Jackson, his family, friends, fans, and admirers.

Many moons ago (since the birth of the internet, Prodigy, before AOL, Windows, MSN, and even the home computer etc.), I was extremely fortunate enough to have access to the cutting edge of technological advances of what we throughout the world see today.

Therefore, If there would have been something I could have done to help and didn’t, I would have never been able to forgive myself. With that being said, out of total respect for privacy, trust, and the integrity of my being; "AS PROMISED", I cannot nor will not “ever” compromise my good standing. I have worked way to long and way too hard to "ever" jeopardize the trust and humbled honor that I have truly been "blessed" with.

At the very least, Mr. Michael Jacksons children, family, and close friends will have Memoirs to do what with they wish. At best, Mr. Michael Jackson’s Children, His Family, and Legacy will have the "Honor and Integrity" “RESTORED” to where it should have always been..!

Psalm 37

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The Journal Of Reflections Of Thought Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 1995, 2005, 2009, and 2010.
"Proceeds will be donated to prearranged mutually agreed upon charities"

www.myspace.com/sdeidjs - Photo Album

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

Love Always

:angel:

Asedora

21-10-2010, 03:47 PM

Ashtanga

21-10-2010, 03:51 PM

:unsure:

Hey.... :blush:

Just.....

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"There are certain times where you do not need a love...
We do not need excessive passion...
Do not want to kiss on the mouth...
And neither bodies to be found in the softness of a bed...
There are certain times that we just want to hand on the shoulder, hug or even be there, quietly, along...
Without saying anything...
There are certain times when we feel we are to cry, we want a friendly presence, to hear each patient, and play with us, to make us smile...
Someone who laugh at our bad jokes...
Find that our sorrows the world's largest...
That weave in endless compliments ...
And despite all the lies working for us is a sincere
unquestionable...
Send us to shut up or avoid a thoughtless gesture...
Someone who can tell us:
I think you're wrong, but I'm on your side...
Or someone who just say:
I'm your love! And I'm Here! "

William Shakespeare

:heart:

:give_heart:

Sdeidjs

23-10-2010, 08:18 AM

Hey guys! Just came back to say HI to everybody. It looks like we finally will find out pretty soon who was LITD girl. After reading some Lisa's answers today it makes me think that it was HER. The story sometimes is more simple than ppl can assume. Here we go... . Do not miss the show with LMP! :)

If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

Things that make us go Mmm~~~

Public Relations (Manipulation of Michael Jackson Fans) + Popularity = Album (Sales) = Recording Contract

But hey, what do I know ladies & gents...Like I always say...Any thing in life is possible...:nerd:

The Journal Of Reflections & Thoughts Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 2010
Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

As Always~~~

*************

In "HIS" own Words...The Journal Of Reflections Of Thought TRUTH OF JUSTICE Nothing IS Black Or White~~~(c) 2009 Proceeds will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities

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Love Always and Forever~~~

God Bless

:angel:

Psalm 37

Ashtanga

23-10-2010, 09:39 PM

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Love Always and Forever~~~

God Bless

:angel:

Psalm 37
:heart: :heart: :heart:

In "60 Minutes" he was soooooooooo beautiful :girl_in_love: and "Childhood" too. :heart:

About L.O.V.E.:

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Because love is not and can not be simple affection. It is not usual or kindness. Love is crazy, is the heart that beats for two thousand, the light which descends to a full night sunset sun will rise in the night just to look at the eyes. The love is that scream that makes the flame and now understand the need for change. (Federico Moccia)

:wub:

Asedora

23-10-2010, 10:24 PM

If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

People who want to blame Lisa for her not defending him in 2005 when he needed, to blame her for not loving him enough, not having babies etc have to take their pink glasses off. Do you know folks how it is to live with a genius? Please, find ONE; fall madly in love with him which is not hard at all if on the top of that he will be handsome as a God and physically attractive. I really want everybody who blames Lisa “being not good enough for Mike” try to experience it by yourself.

He does not need to be a crazy famous one. There are enough of non famous geniuses in this world. Try to marry him and live a “normal” life with him. Just be prepared that most of times YOU will be a piece of furniture for him, you will be the one he will have sex time to time but at the same time you NEVER will feel that you are just the ONE for him because there tons women outside he does mind to flirt with, giving smiles and kisses, sending presents etc. He never will give you a feeling that you are just the one woman in his life.

I am sure Lisa had to deal with all this crap and it was not easy for her as a woman and it was even more harder because she was already a daughter of the King and I am sure marring Michael Jackson, a superstar it was the first time she had to deal with somebody who could put her down. I do believe it was painful.

Do you think folks it was easy for her to see how Michael was kissing his fans on stage? Do you think she did not know how many women did send a love letters to him and how much time he spent reading each of them paying zero attention to Lisa as a wife who was there caring of him and shearing love and bedroom with this person.?

And on top of that geniuses have such thing as “creative process” which never stops really. And most of times they do not want anybody around and cut everybody off. You have to be extremely patient and be prepared that you is not you anymore, you have to lose yourself FOR him without getting anything in return, just waiting and waiting of that one day and after weeks of waiting he maybe will show his feelings to you. Are you ready ladies for such sacrifice?
Michael was NOT a weak person, he could cut anybody off any time he felt like it family included.

How do you think Lisa would feel being cut off pretty often being madly in love with him? Then once in a while at “highest moments” of their relationships ( as she described those moments), he would turn to 180 degree, drag her down to bedroom, have a wild sex she ever can imagine to “intoxicate her” and the next day she felt like a piece of furniture again because it was OVER, it was just a moment and nothing was stable in relationships with such gifted human being.
Besides, she had to deal with bunch of leaches around him, doctors and his problems with prescribed medications.

It does not mean that he did not love her it just means that gifted ppl are very moody and they do not realize themselves if they love somebody or not. They go with the moment and nothing is stable in their feelings.
When he collapsed on stage in 1995, she was in the hospital trying take care of him but he wanted her out and he put her down in front of everybody. Are you sure ladies who blames Lisa for everything you would be able to deal with that? Are you strong enough and prepared that the person you madly in love with, anytime can put you down like a disposal material?

I am not defending Lisa because some parts of interview about drugs and such I really think were unnecessarily. But I understand her because to be fan and be a wife are 2 different things. Fans fantasize him A LOT , they look at him most of times like he was just a "sweet angel" everybody has to love and protect. People who thinks that way live in own fantasy world knowing very little about real life and how difficult to live beside a person who gives himself to his art.

Do you think Michael was expressing his love to Lisa the same way how he did it on stage in front t of millions? I doubt it. He was married to his music and I am sure he was not that romantic in personal relationships as some may assume. Once again, it does not mean that he did not love her, he def did but it was just a very unstable and impulsive love and I am sure that in many moments Lisa felt like garbage and disposal material. This is why Lisa said many times that he loved her as much as he could love somebody and I think it is true.
Now, folks who blames Lisa not having babies right away with him I have to remind you that having babies is very serious decision and every woman who does it wants stability in her life, stability in relationships unless this woman have a deal as surrogate and gets money for that. I am sure Lisa did not feel stability in relationships being with Michael and I cannot blame her if she was thinking “too long” about having more children. Once again, I am not Lisa’s fan. I was just trying to make fans to look at this type relationships from a different point of view.
I do not like Rabbi Shmuley, I think he is another leech and nasty guy but I do not think that he is stupid. He is actually very smart and in fact buying his book I really did not want to read his comments and did skip most of them. But one comment really did stuck in my mind. This comment is not from the book but from the video I think. He said that Michael was not capable to have normal relationships with women. I was so angry at him as hell when I heard it the first time because Rabbi Smuley is very negative character in Michael’s life from my point of view. But later on I was thinking that probably rabbi is right here because if Michael was married to his art it is more likely he was not able to express himself in personal relationships as much as he could give himself to his music .

And I do believe Lisa’s words that he loved her as much as he was able love somebody. I think it is very true.

Ohood

23-10-2010, 11:20 PM

I just noticed that all LMP fans are talking about is their sexual relationship , it is the most imortant thing in that marriage for them, they talk about their sexual life over and over and all the time...i even was reading a blog about MJ's death and the MJ LMP fan was talking from time to time about their hot sex even it has nothing to do with the subject matter, and that was a very old fan !

i'm so sorry i do not refer to your post only but i noticed this in all the LMPMJ fans' posts , websites ,youtube videos, fake stories, photoshopped pics, fake paintings... it is clear that the only thing they like is how or when they were physically active ! retreated, isn't it !?

...love is very much different from sex , they Intersects at certain point but they are not completely related..
u do not have sex with someone because u love him and you can't love someone simply because you had sex with him !

and we fans are not very interested with what happened between them we care about how our idol and this global icon is portrayed infront of the world, our families ,and our friends,,,the person we love , respect and defend over and over and everywhere....

to bash him one day and then forgive him the other day is her problem but this music icon for 40 years is not her toy to mess with his name whenever she likes just because they were fighting or going back together ! this is very childlish!

and in my book this is not a true or pure love, to take before you give is like business not love ! but anyway , she sees things according to her own perspective and she is free to believe wahtever she wants but she better stay away from his legacy!

Asedora

23-10-2010, 11:46 PM

I just noticed that all LMP fans are talking about is their sexual relationship , it is the most imortant thing in that marriage for them, they talk about their sexual life over and over and all the time...!

I am NOT LMP fan and have never been one and I am NOT talking about sexual realtionships persay. I just can build some my assumptions on my expirience and assume how realtinships between LMP and MJ could look like from inside. It is not all to do with sex, however sex is one of the most important things in woman/man realtionships. You cannot deny it. But my post was NOT just about sex at all.
Fans who see MJ as a sweet angel have to take their pink glasses off and not to blame just LMP not "being good enough" for him. Go try yourself to live beside just gifted person (not even a world star) and see how long it will last if he will flirt with other women all the time and you never will be the one in his life. Go try and then you will tell us how does it feel.

Ohood

24-10-2010, 12:01 AM

8701girl

24-10-2010, 12:12 AM

If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

I have felt this way throught the yrs with lisa's bashing of mj and i admit i still hold a grudge on her for that.

But i have been thinkming bout their relationship alot lately and i have come to this :

Both had very similar lives and both had different ways of dealing with it. Lisa is like a lion in a sense she will say and do what she thinks without thinking of it first. And michael i guess in a way is like that too but i think he was a lil more shielded, like he did have that naive child sense oof thinking.

Asedora

24-10-2010, 12:12 AM

^but she never complained about this ! she said exactly that he has no serious relationships and that she was vey happy to be the only woman in his life during marriage and this makde her feel special !

and she said that children from his side and drugs from hers were the main issues in their marriage...you do not have to make up excuses for something even LMP did not imply or paid attention to...sorry but your argument was so weak even LMP was more understanding and did not see this as a problem...

I do not care if she complained or not I know how it looked like from inside. She never will say anything like that cos it would be stupid to say. I was a very happy and "intoxicated" once in my life too. So, what we are talking about here?
Drugs were NOT Lisa's issue hovewer she said that and it was some sort of issue. I do believe that love letters from fans and many women around him he was flirting with was much bigger problem than anything esle and no way she will speak about that. No WAY!
She has some respect for herself and this is right. She walked away from all this and it was a choice she made. I can understand this choice because you cannot be a piece of fornuture most of times.
I do not know who would do it, maybe one crazy fan would be ready to be just a sponge for him, who knows. All women are diffrent.

Ashtanga

24-10-2010, 12:17 AM

:unsure:

Hey... I think we should leave out of this thread the subject "LMP". It is unnecessary to discuss here. We will not break the spell of this thread. Please.... :give_heart:

8701girl

24-10-2010, 12:25 AM

Hey... I think we should leave out of this thread the subject "LMP". It is unnecessary to discuss here. We will not break the spell of this thread. Please.... :give_heart:

I agree, we already have a LMP thread in the mj news section.

Asedora

24-10-2010, 12:38 AM

:unsure:

Hey... I think we should leave out of this thread the subject "LMP". It is unnecessary to discuss here. We will not break the spell of this thread. Please.... :give_heart:

But if LITD IS LMP? I understand that ppl in this thread are in a deep denial about LMP and they are not able to accept it if it is even true. Fantasy, fantasy, fantasy.... . Good for you girls... . I love fantasy too but sometimes it is time to look at some facts .... . I know for some it is painful.... but what can we do?
I do not understand why some fans are so jealous as soon as it comes to LMP? Because she was real? I think so... . She was a real woman for him and his wife on top of that.

Artists usually have two women: one is a real one they have relationships with and another one is in their imagination. It does not mean that do not love a real one, they fantasize a real trough their art.
Michael is not just the one. There are some examples in human history like that.

Have a nice day ladies :)

8701girl

24-10-2010, 12:45 AM

Im not jeaouls of lisa marie& mjs relationship, i just hate the way she has treated him over the yrs.

Its like she acts like she doesnt give a toss bout him but yet in every interview she does she talks bout him non stop!

Its like lisa figure it out already: either u love him or dont ...make up ur mind!

Asedora

24-10-2010, 12:53 AM

8701girl

24-10-2010, 12:57 AM

If you did read my LONG post very carefully your would NOT ask this question.

Hey i was just stating what i have been thinking these last few yrs thats all

Lisha

24-10-2010, 01:00 AM

In honor and respect to AllForMJ, and what she, as the topic starter, made this thread to be all about, I will post this post. For her, I wish to get the theme and purpose of this thread back today.

Yes, the Lisa Marie interview got things all a-hoppin.

Everywhere there are conversations, and sites with multiple threads, all discussing the now confirmed "true love" relationship that took place over a period of years between MJ and LMP. It's all a-buzz.

And that's fine. Let everyone enjoy themselves out there with this kind of talk.

But in here, in this thread, we have a different focus.

This thread is about a possible girl, who MJ has loved for years, kept hidden in his heart, who is not known, not a celebrity...one he continued to love even when loving/caring about other women. A woman who remains somewhere, tucked away, in the dark, who loves and understands God in the way Michael does. Someone who he shares a "divine love" with.

Lisa Marie Presley is one of the loves in Michael's life. But she is not the Love in the Dark girl.

If those that view or post in this thread can enjoy discussing things in this light, please continue.

If someone would rather not agree with MJ having a litd girl, and want instead to discuss who his "true love" is, or his "soul-mate" only, and that could mean you think it's Brooke, Lisa Marie, Shanna, Tatiana, Ola, Teresa, Romonica, Tatum, Madonna, and on and on we can go...then, this is not the discussion thread for you. But there are plenty out there! Have fun!

This thread is about a girl that MJ had asked God long ago to help him find.

This thread is about a girl that MJ saw or met somewhere years ago and God made it clear to him some way, that she was the one He had for Michael.

This thread is about song lyrics over the years that were possibly purposely chosen by MJ to talk about or get a message to this girl who he lost contact with and felt he had no other way to communicate with her.

This thread is about discussing how God has been involved with their connection to each other from the start and even in the days leading up to June 25, 2009, God was watching over them both. He still is. She's out there...probably watched the Lisa Marie interview herself.

Let's not forget some of the differetn things we have already covered in this thread, especially not that long ago...like, you, Asedora, brought up your reasonable observations regarding the song YANA and it's video. And your observations fit in perfectly with this thread and its focus. You asked, how can that video or the song be about Lisa when the lyrics are saying what they are saying? Remember?

I always thought Don't Walk Away was about Lisa...and now hearing her say that they were on and off together up to 1999...about the time that song was written, it really would make one think it. But our purpose in THIS THREAD is to match up the lyrics to our ideas...and I had before in here mentioned that I do not think he would say "I close my eyes/just to try and see you smile one more time/But it's been so long now all I do is cry" about someone like LMP, for she is a photographed celebrity, and "around" enough for him to see her smile recently, and if they saw each other up to 1999 (what happened to her origanl 2 1/2 yrs...it switched to 4 on me), then that would not be so long that he would need to lament over all the time he has been "away" from her smile. Wasn't she poppin' up in the news with Nicholas Cage around this time?

The reason I worded it as LMP being one of Michael's loves, because I personally liked the way the now older, mature and wiser, Diana Ross, phrased things that way regarding Michael in an interviiew not long after he passed. She said he was one of her loves. Aww. You see, you can love someone in a special way for years just because they meant something to you at one time.

Priscilla and Elvis Presley divorced, but they walked out of the courtroom hand and hand. They were committed to remain respectful, mature, reasonable with each in honor of the love they had shared with each other. But from that day forward, their love changed its form...it was no longer a being "in love" but they felt a love for each other...always.

I believe Michael had hoped this for he and Lisa Marie. And when he was in a way, desserted, by so many who had "loved" him in the passed, when the trial began...it understandably would when speaking with someone who he had loved and who had loved him once ask if they still "loved" him. Not "in love" loved him, but are you going to be one of those who have desserted me in this, or do you still love me enough to support me in my time of need?"

Lisa Marie understood the value of two people after splitting up staying friendly...she witnessed it with her parents (who both went on to have other relationships with other people) and she made it happen with her first husband, Danny. Michael must have felt confused that the most she could offer him at the time of that trial was only indifference. He didn't cry because she was no longer in love with him, he cried because she no longer loved him period. Why did the "love" have to go? Why indifference....which seems so cold?

That's all I will say about Lisa. I just wanted to give a bit to remind us it has not been supported in here that lyrics are about LMP. And we have never had this thread be for long a discussion about any named female. It is about an unnamed female...and that was the way MJ wanted it....because he kept her in the dark.

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that comes shining through

So join in the discussion if you can be on board with that. Talk about LOVE and a possible LITD girl, supported by lyrics in MJ's songs.

Ashtanga

24-10-2010, 01:05 AM

But if LITD IS LMP?

:read:

The only person who could answer that question is MJ and nobody else. -_-

You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.

Bring the popcorn!!! >>> http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Lisha

24-10-2010, 01:16 AM

:read:

The only person who could answer that question is MJ and nobody else. -_-

You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.

Bring the popcorn!!! >>> http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif
:clapping:

Ashtanga

24-10-2010, 01:19 AM

:clapping:

:give_rose:

Asedora

24-10-2010, 01:26 AM

That's all I will say about Lisa. I just wanted to give a bit to remind us it has not been supported in here that lyrics are about LMP. And we have never had this thread be for long a discussion about any named female. It is about an unnamed female...and that was the way MJ wanted it....because he kept her in the dark.

How do you know that it was a real woman in the dark? Because of his lyrics? It is very naive way to think so and I can give you TONS of examples when artists created this woman in their mind and it could be something not real ,created from many female’s characters he met or he has read about.

Or every female in this thread FOR REAL thinks that it was about her? It is good fantasy, yes and this is what artists do having such ability of touching people’s hearts. This is why it is being called an art.
You guys sometimes take Michael too personally like he was a guy living on the next street but he was not. I bet if one of you me included was able to reach him in person, none of us would not be able to be his wife or a girl friend. This is all about fantasy. LMP was his wife and it means something.

I am originally from the country with a pretty old tradition in classical literature and classical music and I have learned a lot about artist’s personal life being in a high school and for my own interest because I always was kinda into poetry and music. Michael as an artist and a gifted person is not much different in personal life than any other artist. Most of them had those LITD girls in mind and if you wish I can give you a very good example of a very tragic story I am still very sensitive to . I cannot do anything just cry when I read it.

You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.

The question is, if you respect and care about his privacy so much why something like that has to be unveiled? Leave it like that then. In fact you are the one who do not believe that she ever existed. What kind of mystery you are digging in? Sometimes I do not see a logic.

Lisha

24-10-2010, 01:53 AM

How do you know that it was a real woman in the dark? Because of his lyrics?
This shows me very plainly that you do not agree with the theme or focus of this thread. Then why do you want to post in here?

For a thread to flow and be successful, it stays within the theme of discussion. The title of the thread is in question form, but it is not a thread designed for debate. It was designed for those to come along who would find it fun to do so, and join in the discussion of how..."a real woman in the dark" was loved by him. And the enjoyment in here is finding support to that in MJ's lyrics.

Ya don't agree with the theme of the thread? that's cool...move along then and enjoy threads that you do agree with. That's what I do. That is why it's great that this site offers so many threads to choose from. And that is why it is great that the whole net has forums and threads to choose from, so there is something for everyone.

I don't think you like the theme of this thread any longer. :( But it is not fair for you to try and change it. Nor is that being respectful to the thread starter.

This has been said so many times in here; I feel a bit ridiculous saying it again, but this thread is not about anyone knowing anything. But it's about exploring the idea, (and some of us have done this quite creatively, true) that there is a real LITD girl.

Read AllForMJ's first several posts...and you can see, that was her developed premise for this thread. Like it or not, it is what it is.

You have an excellent mind, Asedora! and I think you like debating. But this thread is not about that.

I would rather this thread die out than become something other than what AllforMJ, the thread starter, intended it to be.

EDIT: I just read this part now, and I can't help but view it as being possibly mean-spirited of you to say this:

Or every female in this thread FOR REAL thinks that it was about her?
Every? I, for one example, have stated before in here that I am not the LITD girl. And I do not think AllForMJ has ever presented herself in that way, yet she is someone who has actually met MJ, I'll give her that! :) Linda and summer never came off that way(I'm thinking of all the original people who posted in here)...oh, there are many. So if you are thinking of one or two...that is certainly not EVERY, and it would be unkind of you to mention any names...for if someone does think it, as I think summer said once this, it is not harming anyone here. You have a personal account of some cases that maybe didn't go well for someone having a crush on a artist/celeb from where you live? Well, don't bring the story in here. Let's keep things up and positive. And if you are worrying about any particular individual who posts in here...pray for them quietly. That's what I would recommend, Asedora. :)

Asedora

24-10-2010, 02:08 AM

This shows me very plainly that you do not agree with the theme or focus of this thread. Then why do you want to post in here?

For a thread to flow and be successful, it stays within the theme of discussion. The title of the thread is in question form, but it is not a thread designed for debate. It was designed for those to come along who would find it fun to do so, and join in the discussion of how..."a real woman in the dark" was loved by him. And the enjoyment in here is finding support to that in MJ's lyrics.

You have an excellent mind, Asedora! and I think you like debating. But this thread is not about that.

I was thinking that this thread is about Michael's LOVE lyrics but not about his real woman in the dark. If it even was one really i would be ashamed of myslef digging in his privacy so much.
Or as I said every woman in this thread reading MJ lyrics thinks that it was about her? Of well. If so, I am definately not going to be a part of this discussion any longer cos it feels sometimes like a hidden competition in here. I do not like to be a part of such.I am a very sencitive energy freak so I can feel such things pretty damn well.

It was fun do discuss lyrics, yes, but I think this thread went a bit too far.
Just my opinion... :) Have fun girls.

Ashtanga

24-10-2010, 02:15 AM

The question is, if you respect and care about his privacy so much why something like that has to be unveiled? Leave it like that then. In fact you are the one who do not believe that she ever existed. What kind of mystery you are digging in? Sometimes I do not see a logic.

:girl_whistle:

:fortuneteller:

Lisha

24-10-2010, 02:36 AM

I was thinking that this thread is about Michael's LOVE lyrics but not about his real woman in the dark. If it even was one really i would be ashamed of myslef digging in his privacy so much.
Or as I said every woman in this thread reading MJ lyrics thinks that it was about her? Of well. If so, I am definately not going to be a part of this discussion any longer cos it feels sometimes like a hidden competition in here. I do not like to be a part of such activites. I am a very sencitive energy freak so I can feel such things pretty well.

It was fun do discuss lyrics, yes, but I think this thread went a bit too far.
Just my opinion... :) Have fun girls.

I think you missed my addition to my last post for I address some of what you said here above.

Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.

And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.

Asedora

24-10-2010, 02:56 AM

I think you missed my addition to my last post for I address some of what you said here above.

Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.

And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.

Oh well I am not the only one who was able to pick it up? I wonder why? It means that I am 100% correct. Well, I am definately out of here. I am not a brave soul anymore who is willing to post here. I hate when ppl bash LMP for no reason. They cannot stad her just because she was a real woman in his life. Some folks hate every fan who went on stage and got a kiss from MJ. I cannot tolerate it anymore. Really. Enough is enough.

Ashtanga

24-10-2010, 03:13 AM

:unsure:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZUjJ6MU84Zk/S6qm8aFSo_I/AAAAAAAACZQ/llPPXyMsuGc/s1600/Peace---Unknown-.jpg

http://recluse.me/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/michael-jackson-neverland-foreclosure.jpg

:heart:

Lisha

24-10-2010, 03:32 AM

. I hate when ppl bash LMP for no reason. They cannot stand her just because she was a real woman in his life.

I haven't read every recent post, but did someone in here specifically say they cannot stand LMP because she was a real woman in his life? I know some have had a few objections with her, but I thought it was because of her past treatment or way she spoke of him in the past. Right? I think you are possibly making an assumption.

For me, I have felt I have always understood where LMP was coming from when she said the things she did in past interviews. I had tried to always assess MJ's and her relationship as objectively as I could when I was trying to make sense of it (even though I acknowledge it was none of my business, ever!) during the first months or so of my entering the MJ scene. She said nothing new really in this interview, but because she is now older and has taken time to reflect and understand, she was able to express herself in a calm, and together way that made things more understandable for many. I like her, for she has always been committed to being very real, and I respect that. And I believed Janet Jackson when she said in an Oprah interview years ago, that Lisa Marie has a beautiful heart. LMP at times can come off a little "tough" but that doesn't mean her heart can never also still be soft. MJ described her as sweet. So many fans say they will not believe what others say regarding MJ... but will only listen to what MJ has said out of his own mouth. Well, he said "Lisa is sweet." So she must have then a sweet side. Hating on Lisa is wrong. Disapproving of some things she's done in the past (or even has done in this recent interview) is everyone's prerogative. Not wishing her to be your own best friend, is everyone's choice. But hating her, is definitely wrong. And being jealous of her for having had MJ's love is not helpful to anyone.

Asedora, you should not let fans being jealous get you so bothered. It comes with the territory. Just ignore it and continue not being the jealous type yourself.

No-Body

24-10-2010, 02:39 PM

Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.

And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.

You can say that again...Shila :) Beautiful name, btw. It's very, very true. That is why i've always had a problem with posting in this particular thread.

Asedora, i hope you know how much respect i have for you, but i must admit i was offended at your suggestion. I don't usually have a good memory, but from what i recall, i don't remember anyone here claiming to be the LITD girl. I can only speak for myself, but as i've said on more than one occasion, i've NEVER met Michael and the things i have posted in here were mere impressions from observing his life and his music, when i didn't drift off into i don't know what irrelevant stuff, as was the case with that painting exercise a couple of weeks ago. Btw thanks for all the kind remarks - both to you and all the other folks; as i said, it was an opportunity to enjoy some nice art more than anything else; if anybody thought it went too far, i apologize. FT, i guess there won't be any sequel.

And btw of a possible litd girl, if she exists of course. I know it has been asked and suggested Michael himself visited this thread. But did anybody ever wondered, if she does exist, does she even know of the very existence of this thread? It is perfectly reasonable to imagine her not to be a fan, unaware of message boards and stuff. I would imagine prior to June 25th 2009 her life too busy with loving Michael and after i couldn't even begin to imagine the amount of pain she must have felt, therefore i don't believe it's far fetched to think she wouldn't have the time or the desire to read and let alone post anything. But hey, that's just me. The obvious tends to escape me.

Asedora, i do agree with you though about the idylic image many have created about Michael in their head; he must have had his shortcomings, but then again, maybe those made him human, perhaps a lot more human than we can imagine.

Shila, thanks for bringing up AllforMJ - her absence from this thread, which SHE originated, is felt deeply. I also miss SoS, Moddie, MP (i know u readin' girl lol) and everybody else. I must say it has been a pleasure to read along the years some very deep, sensitive thoughts in here and indeed everybody who has posted has been a brave soul, but i think the time has come for me to follow AllOverAgain's example. I think i've arrived in the station where i need to get off the train. I do hope the little engine continues its climb.

It's been a nice ride and i've met some lovely people in here many of whom have become my friends. I would love to see this thread go back to its original, intended purpose, but as Shila said maybe the other option is for it to die out. I would prefer it though if the first one became true.

Just last week i've had another run in with death, something that seems to be a constant in my life, so i can only be ever so thankful to the Lord i'm still alive. Life is too short to be wasted on anything other than peace, love and the praising of the Lord.

I'm nobody to be giving anybody advice, but i would kindly tell every single one of you who are reading and those of you who will continue to post - whatever you do and wherever life takes you - don't you ever lose hope, the will to fight for the less fortunate, your faith in love and in God.

God bless you everyone :)

So long *military salute*

Lainy

25-10-2010, 12:33 AM

I think I understood what Asedora wanted to say run through her post. I think she wanted to show us another history's side for we realized how hard it was for LMP and understand her. Well, Asedora was what I understood.
I've been away from this thread for a few days but it seems like was months to me lol I really love the diversity of thought and creativity of all who post here. Paintings, poems, songs ... everything.
Some people speak of God so sweetly, that touches the heart and I can say that sometimes God uses these people to talk to me.
I hope tempers can cool off and we all go back to do a great job here. Once anybody said, in this forum, particularly this thread serves as escapism for most of us.

God bless all

Lisha

25-10-2010, 01:06 AM

You can say that again...Shila :) Beautiful name, btw. Thanks, Shabuya! I'm queenie, ya know (don't wanna trick ya)with yet another nombre in here! :)

Just last week i've had another run in with death, something that seems to be a constant in my life, so i can only be ever so thankful to the Lord i'm still alive. I'm glad for us all that the Lord decided He still needs you around. You obviously have more of us out there in this life that He wants you to bless. :hug:

From Will You Be There:

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

I was just taking a nap and I had the strangest thing happen. Right before waking up I had a dream and in it I was goofing off with my brother...kinda fake punchin' and being silly. I hadn't done anything like that with him for years, not since probably I was a teenager. I have other brothers, but this one always has a special place in my heart, because all through my childhood, he had time for me, and he would play and goof off and be silly with me. Children love so this kind of attention.

So in this dream I was probably in my early twenties and he and I were acting like this together, and then I went into a half awake/half asleep state, and I heard the song Will You Be There being sung with those words Carry me/like a brother.

Then I woke up completely... and started thinking about MJ, and what it was God was trying to tell me through the odd juxtaposition of the brother dream and those lyrics.

I felt He was telling me this:

There was a great importance to MJ for someone to first and foremost love him like a brother.

This means it had even a higher rating than someone being "in love" with him.

So what does it mean for someone to love another like a brother? I have passed over that line in WYBT so many times without thinking much of it. I thought it meant in maybe a humanitarian way...I thought the whole meaning of the song was larger than any plea to a particular woman to love him in a certain way. There are guys who hang around each other that say "hey, brother, or hey, bro." When you think of brotherly love, you think it means loving your fellow man.

Sometimes those that share the same faith refer to one another as sister this or brother that. True? I don't know how it is in Kingdom Hall, but maybe those there respectively call others in such a way. It is respectful, especially, when a male calls a female in their church "sister," indicating that they are looking at her with modesty and the utmost purity.

Christians, in general, that share the same faith, also are known to refer to others as "my brother in the Lord" or "my sister in the Lord." Paul, in the Bible, in his his letters often did this. In his final greetings in Ephesians, for an example, he calls Tychicus "the dear brother" and he adds, "Peace to the brothers..."

What does MJ mean by "brother" in WYBT?

Why would MJ want to be loved by the woman of his choice in this way...love me, carry me, like a brother?

Its like lisa figure it out already: either u love him or dont ...make up ur mind!

When someone is "in love" it has ups and downs, highs and lows, in other words, it fluctuates. When someone loves someone like a brother, it represents a love that is less fluctuating and has more constancy. So if his love relationship is girded by a love like this, if the woman's primary love for him is "like a brother," she won't be taking her love away from him depending on what's going on.

I think MJ might have already known the answer to the question he was asking in Don't Walk Away.

How can I stop losing you?

If the LITD girl's love never fluctuates, then he will never really lose her.

Remember I said in an earlier post that love takes different forms. But if one loves first like a brother, than the love will never completely go away. It will not become indifferent. It may change its look a bit, but it will not grow cold. Some love will remain.

He asks,

Can't we find some love to take this away?/cause the pain gets stronger every day.

I am glad that LMP has good memories of MJ and her being united. But if someone does not share the same beliefs as you in God, you cannot be truly united with them. I am not sure where she is at today spiritually; she was once a Scientologist. Do they believe in a higher power? She mentioned "The Universe" in the interview. I get a sense MJ and her were never on the same page regarding faith in God.

I believe in order for MJ to feel truly safe with a love from a woman, that that woman would have to love his God like he does, and see Michael, and love Michael, deeply as a brother in the Lord. For one thing, MJ would be "unevenly yoked" with her if this wasn't in place. And problems would ensue.

Yes, Michael, of course, would want to be in love and have the LITD girl be in love with him back, and all the wonderful feelings that come with that. But he would want that love to be first built on something very solid. So she will stay. So she will be there. And he would stop losing her, for good.

I now think that the song Will You Be There was something like Michael's "wishlist" for the way he wanted to be loved by a woman. What do you guys think?

"Will You Be There"

Hold Me
Like The River Jordan
And I Will Then Say To Thee
You Are My Friend

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

Weary
Tell Me Will You Hold Me
When Wrong, Will You Scold Me
When Lost Will You Find Me?

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Lead Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

(Carry)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me There)

(Save Me)
(Heal Me And Bathe Me)
(Softly You Say To Me)
(I Will Be There)

(Lift Me)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Show Me You Care)

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Need Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

[Spoken]
In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
I'll Never Let You Part
For You're Always In My Heart.

Lainy

25-10-2010, 03:25 PM

He asks,

Can't we find some love to take this away?/cause the pain gets stronger every day.

I am glad that LMP has good memories of MJ and her being united. But if someone does not share the same beliefs as you in God, you cannot be truly united with them. I am not sure where she is at today spiritually; she was once a Scientologist. Do they believe in a higher power? She mentioned "The Universe" in the interview. I get a sense MJ and her were never on the same page regarding faith in God.

I believe in order for MJ to feel truly safe with a love from a woman, that that woman would have to love his God like he does, and see Michael, and love Michael, deeply as a brother in the Lord. For one thing, MJ would be "unevenly yoked" with her if this wasn't in place. And problems would ensue.

Yes, Michael, of course, would want to be in love and have the LITD girl be in love with him back, and all the wonderful feelings that come with that. But he would want that love to be first built on something very solid. So she will stay. So she will be there. And he would stop losing her, for good.

I like the way you said and I agree. I'm not the kind of person who has much experience especially in relationships but I believe God must be the foundation of every relationship. Every couple goes through tribulation's times in marriage certainly wouldn't be different for MJ, wouldn't be easier for them (Contrary to what most people think because God's ways are tortuous "the narrow gate" Matthew 7:13-14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:13-14&version=NIV)) but God would give the coordinates for them.

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me

Arklove

25-10-2010, 04:27 PM

^^ I only ever lurk in this thread, and I really didn't have an understanding of what it was about....So, thanks for that explanation :flowers:

loveforever

25-10-2010, 04:28 PM

I do believe religion/belief play a part in their relationship. we all know Michael was very spiritual and believed in God. Here is the article about LMP and Scientology from Rolling stone magazine back then.

Lisa Marie Presley's troubled life

In a "no holds barred" interview run in Rolling Stone Magazine, Lisa Marie Presley supposedly speaks out frankly and about her life.
However, the article comes across as more of a promotional puff piece and often neglects important facts.
Presley attempted to dismiss reports that Scientology has often dominated her life.
The daughter of Elvis says, "If you know anything about my personality" -- she laughs -- "you 'll know that's not possible."
But it doesn't appear the reporter knows anything, or at least he's not telling.
Danny Keough, Presley's first husband, was and is a deeply devoted Scientologist. The reporter notes he was there during an interview session, "home schooling" their two children in the next room.
Presley says, "He 's my absolute best friend in the world…this is the one man I [will] be connected to for the rest of my life."
Then there's Paige Dorian, "her assistant and friend of eight years," also a Scientologist. And Luke Watson, another Scientologist, who is "documenting her recent life on film."
Watson was reportedly once assigned to look after Presley by Scientology.
Dorian and Watson accompanied her for dinner with the Rolling Stone reporter. She explained "They live my life with me."
Presley and Watson first met reportedly in Clearwater, Florida, a bastion of Scientology, where she took church courses. Presley was there so much that she bought a home in the area, which was later sold to Kirstie Alley, another Scientologist.
Like Alley Presley claims to have overcome drugs. She says, "I did drugs for four years." But is quick to point out that this was before she significantly embraced Scientology.
Part of Scientology's cure for drugs is called the "purification rundown," which may have caused Presley subsequent health problems.
However, she says those problems were due to dental fillings.
Ironically, Elvis apparently loathed Scientology. According to members of his inner circle he once said, "F - - - those people! There's no way I'll ever get involved with that son-of-a-bitchin' group. All they want is my money."
Lisa Marie now ardently dismisses and condemns long-time Elvis insiders.
Presley's marital history is strange and strewn with Scientology connections.
Twenty days after ending her first marriage with Keough she married Michael Jackson in the Dominican Republic. Her first husband's brother and wife, both Scientologists, witnessed that wedding.
The Jackson/Presley union ended after 20 months. And the lawyer that tied up the loose ends was John Coale, another Scientologist.
It was rumored that the Jackson marriage was a sham, concocted by the "King of Pop" and Scientology to neutralize an ugly sex scandal.
The Jackson marriage allegedly largely ended because the pop star made it clear that he would not be involved with the controversial church.
Presley's most recent marriage only lasted four months.
Her third husband Nicholas Cage like Jackson, apparently wanted nothing to do with Scientology.
Obviously Lisa Marie Presley's involvement with Scientology plays a very pivotal and influential role in her life.
The Rolling Stone reporter either didn't care, didn't dig deep enough, or apparently understood that such comments wouldn't be appreciated.
It appears the heir to the Elvis estate has inherited more than her father's money and looks, she seems to have a deeply troubled life too.

Ashtanga

25-10-2010, 07:45 PM

Hey.... :hug:

Well, while I have nothing to say. :) BUT I saw that SOS was here. :shifty: She has not abandoned us! :wild: :wub:

I miss the old times in this thread and all others who were always here and now gone. :( It was so much fun here in the past... :cry: *big sigh*

Asedora

25-10-2010, 10:05 PM

I think I understood what Asedora wanted to say run through her post. I think she wanted to show us another history's side for we realized how hard it was for LMP and understand her. Well, Asedora was what I understood.
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Well, I am glad that you picked it up. But “to understand” does not mean “to agree” with everything what was done from her side. But yes, I understand where she was coming from. I think I would do things different but I am nobody to judge her.

I was trying to be pretty much neutral as far as it comes to LMP/MJ personal relationships till it got completely insane on MJJ boards. However, I think it none of my business really to know what was between them. I do believe there are some lines fans cannot cross.

I looked at one thread today about “One more chance” song and I saw the same picture: fans get angry of even thinking about little possibility that this song could be written for her. I believe that it should not be that way. It looks like this virtual “cat fight” never will stop.

I apologize if somebody did find my previous post offensive at one point. I did not mean to hurt anybody’s feelings. Sometimes I just feel that things have to be told at the right moment of time and I do not mind to post something not too many of you would feel comfortable with. I just felt that it was a good time for some of us to stop, take a deep breath and look around.

It is time for me to get off that train too as Shabuya said and take my own with that one destination I know pretty damn well.

I wish I could get myself back to a point where I used to be till June 25th 2009 but it is out of my hands to change anything.

I feel like I do not want to be a part of any discussions on MJJ boards any longer unless it is something to do with the future trial.

Wishing everybody well and God bless you all.

Favoritetune

26-10-2010, 06:42 PM

Wow, there’s a lot of stuff here I want to talk about but first I want to address Asedora about some of the posts she made.

I hope you’re still here.

Asedora I read your comments about MJ and LMP . I keep thinking do you really think Michael would have been so callous if he were in love with her to make her feel like a piece of furniture? The guy may have a hard time expressing his feelings but don’t you think if he were in love with a woman she would know- before he died- and some time before she started to promote an album she planned to release the following year?

LMP contradicts her self left and right in her interview with Oprah and when you bring her previous interviews in account you should clearly see the girl has an ulterior motive. My question is what is her ulterior motive.

I think you made some very insightful concepts concerning people in love with geniuses, sharing your thoughts about fans and how he was on stage but if LMP were being so honest then why did she “never think he loved her until after he died?” It’s true women can feel awkward with other women chasing after their man but if the woman doesn’t feel like she’s loved then why is she there? Gold diggers get in relationships with men they don’t love and who they don’t feel love them because they want money and many assume that was not the case with LMP but have said she was a spotlight chaser meaning her pot of gold was to be amidst the center of attention. I’m not saying that was the case but when she compared being around Michael to her dad I have to say it made me wonder.

Maybe the jealousy she felt wasn’t that all those women wanted Michael, maybe she wanted the attention and affection he was getting. Did you think of that? Maybe her way of getting some of that now is to switch her previous position and win his fans over by saying how wonderful she thinks he was. Could that be possible? Maybe this is part of her pre release album promotion plan to seize the media and try to gain the hearts of as many of the people celebrated Michael’s life so they would celebrate by buying her album too.

I will say that the things you wrote were interesting and compelling and very sad. However I also have this to say. LMP was married when she claims she and MJ became friendly and her fidelity and loyalty was to her husband. She broke that and claims she did so in order to be with MJ. Now please tell me if you knew that you just married a woman who committed adultery with her husband to be with you, would you be all trusting, and loving or would you be full of guile and suspicion with him always hanging around? What would you feel if he showed up on your vacations? That’s plural!

If she felt like a piece of furniture why are you surprised? Didn’t she make herself accessible that way? She abused her husbands love for her by leaving him for another man regardless of what her reasoning’s were. Then she had no regard for Michael’s emotions, pride or dignity and shamelessly flaunted her relationship with her ex husband in his face allowing her ex to go on their vacations with them.

I for one don’t think LMP could be MJ’s LITD girl as has been discussed in here because I don’t think God would even condone the two of them being together since she had to leave her first husband to be with him. If his love for her was as special as people here believe it to be then she would not be able to claim she never thought he loved her until after he died and furthermore her love would have stood strong for him when he needed someone most not left him after he was in the hospital and become indifferent when his life and freedom was on the line. That’s just my two cents take what will of it.

What is a Sticky?

Sdeidjs well put “If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

Things that make us go Mmm~~~

Public Relations (Manipulation of Michael Jackson Fans) + Popularity = Album (Sales) = Recording Contract

But hey, what do I know ladies & gents...Like I always say...Any thing in life is possible...

Fairy your thoughts are interesting please tell us more?

8701 I agree with you.

Ashtanga your picture suits you. You’re too cute and sweet.

Shila excellent posts!

Ohood good points. When trying to know what someone is saying sometimes it’s best to just listen.

I really want to say hats off to everyone for their contributions here. It’s a cool thread with a lot of mushy thoughts for people who wish the best for MJ and that’s because of you ladies.

I look forward to reading more. Hope everyone does not run away.

Also Asedora If One More Chance was about LMP then maybe he should change the words to be abused by love love instead of for love or to be a fool for love. What do you ladies think? She may be a nice lady and all that but her actions does not say she loved him to me and they do say that actions speak louder than words.

Ashtanga

26-10-2010, 10:04 PM

Ashtanga your picture suits you. You’re too cute and sweet.

:cheeky:

Thanks! :blush:

Good to see you back! :hi:

And your post... >>> :clapping:

I look forward to reading more. Hope everyone does not run away.

Do not worry that anyone will run away. :shifty:

Well, while I have nothing to say. :coffee: I'll stay here just lurking and observing. :shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Favoritetune

27-10-2010, 07:23 AM

Loveforever when was that article written?

8701girl

28-10-2010, 12:34 AM

8701 I agree with you.

Thanx

Also Asedora If One More Chance was about LMP then maybe he should change the words to be abused by love love instead of for love or to be a fool for love. What do you ladies think? She may be a nice lady and all that but her actions does not say she loved him to me and they do say that actions speak louder than words.

I think she gets confused by her feelings for mj, i mean she did say in the interview when her & mj were united it was the highest point in her life. But i think its when her mother gets in the way and starts saying negative things bout mj , she changes her mind IMO

Favoritetune

30-10-2010, 06:49 AM

Thanx

I think she gets confused by her feelings for mj, i mean she did say in the interview when her & mj were united it was the highest point in her life. But i think its when her mother gets in the way and starts saying negative things bout mj , she changes her mind IMO

She's said crap with her mother no where around. Why blame her mom? Any woman who is gonna change like that has issues.

LMP has some nice things about her but she confuses me. I feel sorry for MJ.

8701girl

30-10-2010, 11:42 AM

She's said crap with her mother no where around. Why blame her mom? Any woman who is gonna change like that has issues.

LMP has some nice things about her but she confuses me. I feel sorry for MJ.

im just saying alot the negative feelings she has for mj probably does come from her mums thoughts on mj. And if u saw the oprah interview with lisa and her mum, u will understand what i mean

Favoritetune

31-10-2010, 02:04 AM

We could discuss that forever but I'd rather ask you ladies what kind of songs are you hoping to here on the new album?

8701girl

31-10-2010, 10:54 AM

Im hoping for some new funky dance songs there

Ohood

31-10-2010, 01:35 PM

@ Shila amazing post !
the first line "Hold me" ... reminded me with the last song released by Akon and MJ:Hold My Hand !

This life don't last forever (hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waitin for (hold my hand)
Better off being together (hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone (hold my hand)

Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright.
Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold
We can just hold each other till we see the sunlight

So if you just hold my hand
Baby I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just hold my hand
Nothing can come in between us if you just hold, hold my, hold my, hold my hand.

The nights are getting darker (hold my hand)
And there's no peace inside (hold my hand)
So why make our lives harder (hold my hand)
By fighting love, tonight.

Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright.
Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold
We can just hold each other till we see the sunlight

So if you just hold my hand
Baby I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just hold my hand
Nothing can come in between us if you just hold my hand

was this song his last plea to her !

not just for his LITD but for all his human brothers and sisiters---> Man in the Mirror also is another song where MJ say : stand up brother -stand up sister.so maybe it is the kind of love MJ was talking about in TII movie . and what also Prince talked about in the Grammy speech.

lol trying to connect dots but i'm not very good at this :lol:

Lisha

31-10-2010, 05:52 PM

@ Shila amazing post !
the first line "Hold me" ... reminded me with the last song released by Akon and MJ:Hold My Hand !
Aw, thank you for the compliment. Nice catch there regarding the first words in WYBT and the main theme of the song, HMH.

So if you just hold my hand
Baby I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just hold my hand
Nothing can come in between us if you just hold my hand

I hadn't remembered that line in HMH, and oddly I have had another song in my head lately, and one line in particular from that song I woke up this morning with is "nothing will ever come between us." Interesting you posted this today.

That has got to be then, a pretty amazing love, with God behind it, for nothing to be able to get between their love bond with each other. And we have guessed in here that quite a lot has come up against that bond already, not forgetting June 25, 2009.

So, we know what it would mean to hold one's hand when two people are actually together. What would holding one's hand mean when we are talking about two people that are kept apart?

was this song his last plea to her !
There's enough in the lyrics to certainly make one wonder if it is.

How can/could "she" hold his hand when she cannot be with him in the physical? Both prior to the 25th and after.

We are back to thinking spiritually? Can someone hold one's hand in some spiritual sense?

Or was he expecting some kind of action on her part to signify she is "holding his hand" even though she couldn't be with him? What could she have done? What would have shown him she was figuratively holding his hand, while she couldn't literally hold his hand?

We could discuss that forever but I'd rather ask you ladies what kind of songs are you hoping to here on the new album?

Maybe...Hold My Hand.

~ Also, I am pleased that Michaelmania is no longer on the front page of the site. If I am correct, this means guests can no longer view this thread. I remember when the LITD thread was first posted it was in MJ News and could be viewed by all, and then eventually it was moved to Michaelmania and became more hidden. AllForMJ at the time said this was better (safer) for the thread, and I have always agreed. So thanks staff for this decision! :)

EDIT: Here is a version of that song that has been in my head. It is foremost a worship song, but several couples have chosen it to be played at their wedding...for some reason... :heart:
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Ashtanga

01-11-2010, 01:05 AM

Hey.... :hug:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

what kind of songs are you hoping to here on the new album?
:thinking:

Well, I'm not really excited for this. :( Sure, I'm happy that the legacy is being kept alive for generations to come.... :yes: :wild: :punk:

BUT part of me is sad. Fact. :( I know many fans are very, very, very happy, anxious and excited for the new album, but I do not. I try to get as excited as everyone, but I can not. :cry: *big sigh*

Well, but I hope it is a great album with great songs. :hi:

8701girl

01-11-2010, 01:35 AM

Yes i feel the same ashtanga, a part of me is sad bout the album cuz mj is no longer here to promote it & preform the songs :(

Ashtanga

01-11-2010, 02:38 AM

Yes i feel the same ashtanga, a part of me is sad bout the album cuz mj is no longer here to promote it & preform the songs :(

Yes.... :cry:

Hey... >>> :hug:

Lisha

01-11-2010, 02:42 AM

Hey.... :hug:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Ashtanga!

I'm gonna respond to you in the reverse order!

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

:hug:.... Hey

and I'll add a :tease:and a :lol: (I'm really growing into these smilies, aren't I? But no GIGGLING!)

8701girl, I know...it's all so bittersweet, isn't it? But for this thread, it could be quite interesting, depending on the type of songs and the lyrics. We shall see. Maybe we will get to do some more detective work in here one day soon. :timer:

And I'm with you for hopin' for a couple of dance tunes! :dancin:

But I suppose this thread needs one or two new love songs to keep us goin'. Yes?

Ashtanga

01-11-2010, 02:57 AM

Ashtanga!

I'm gonna respond to you in the reverse order!

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

:hug:.... Hey

and I'll add a :tease:and a :lol: (I'm really growing into these smilies, aren't I? But no GIGGLING!)

:blush:

And to you too... >>> :hug:

8701girl, I know...it's all so bittersweet, isn't it? But for this thread, it could be quite interesting, depending on the type of songs and the lyrics. We shall see. Maybe we will get to do some more detective work in here one day soon. :timer:

And I'm with you for hopin' for a couple of dance tunes! :dancin:

But I suppose this thread needs one or two new love songs to keep us goin'. Yes?

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

8701girl

01-11-2010, 10:12 AM

Yes.... :cry:

Hey... >>> :hug:

Thanx :hug:

8701girl

01-11-2010, 10:16 AM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

:hug:.... Hey

and I'll add a :tease:and a :lol: (I'm really growing into these smilies, aren't I? But no GIGGLING!)

8701girl, I know...it's all so bittersweet, isn't it? But for this thread, it could be quite interesting, depending on the type of songs and the lyrics. We shall see. Maybe we will get to do some more detective work in here one day soon. :timer:

And I'm with you for hopin' for a couple of dance tunes! :dancin:

But I suppose this thread needs one or two new love songs to keep us goin'. Yes?

I did love when mj used to write love ballads....just as long as they werent too mushy lol

I prefer the "angry upbeat" mj songs, they really get my heart pumping. Altough the guys about taking care of the planet is very important & special, i do hope mj did more songs like them over the recent yrs.

Lisha

01-11-2010, 04:21 PM

I did love when mj used to write love ballads....just as long as they werent too mushy lol

What's an example of a love ballad of MJ's that was too mushy for your taste?

Lorraine

01-11-2010, 04:29 PM

MJ and mushy? Nah... :wub: :D

Maybe that's coz I love me some mushy. Especially some MJ mush. :lol:

Lisha

01-11-2010, 05:10 PM

MJ and mushy? Nah... :wub: :D

Maybe that's coz I love me some mushy. Especially some MJ mush. :lol:

Well, there is one MJ song I feel pretty confident that you, Lorraine, don't find too mushy:
9kZRgkcS8h0

:cheeky:

It is a lovely song, isn't it? :)

~btw, 8701girl, I thought this was a good observation that you made in a post in another thread recently:

...but once trust is broken its hard to replace it again.

I think it is often true. I know from experiences in a relationship personally that once you feel deceived by someone, or especially if it has been more than one occasion, it seems impossible to trust or allow yourself to be fully vulnerable to them again. And that is bound to have an affect on the relationship. The closeness, if it ever truly existed, can't survive if one or both in the couple are being guarded in order to protect themselves from further hurt or disappointment. Something dies. It can make one closed.

Lorraine

01-11-2010, 05:15 PM

I am just seeing a plain white box there? But I can guess... It's The lady in my life right? :heart: :cheeky:

Edit: Oh there it is.. and look at that, I was right! :kickass: Love love LOVE it!!!! :sigh::wub:

Lisha

01-11-2010, 05:21 PM

Bingo! Bingo!

I wonder why it isn't showing up for you? I can see it in my post. Hmmm.

But you would rather listen to it cranked up on your fine in home stereo equipment, than havin' a quick inferior listen to on YouTube, anyway. Right? :) And I don't blame you. It would make a really nice and soothing song to have playing softly, actually, while tucked in at night waiting to fall asleep. I wonder if many MJ fans have done this?

EDIT: OH, you can see it! Yay! :clapping:

Ashtanga

01-11-2010, 06:17 PM

Well, there is one MJ song I feel pretty confident that you, Lorraine, don't find too mushy:
9kZRgkcS8h0

:cheeky:

It is a lovely song, isn't it? :)

:yes:

This song is sooooooooo perfect.... :in_love: It makes me sigh. :girl_in_love:

Favoritetune

01-11-2010, 07:34 PM

I can't believe that song didn't get better reviews. I think he poured his heart in it. It's another confusing one because he's saying come to me and don't you go nowhere. I wouldn't say it was for anyone in particular though. What do you ladies think? Anyone want to analize lady in my life?

Lorraine

01-11-2010, 08:33 PM

Lisha

01-11-2010, 08:46 PM

^:lol:

You wish, Lorraine...oh how you wish! :tease:

I can't believe that song didn't get better reviews. I think he poured his heart in it. It's another confusing one because he's saying come to me and don't you go nowhere. I wouldn't say it was for anyone in particular though. What do you ladies think? Anyone want to analize lady in my life?

I can't get over the vocal prowess that is going on during the adlibs that send us out of the song. If I am listening to it, and then the end part comes, I always find myself stopping whatever I am doing and looking over at the radio in disbelief. He brings his voice down so low. I didn't catch the reviews when the song came out; I am surprised to hear that they were not extremely positive.

Lorraine

01-11-2010, 08:54 PM

^:lol:

You wish, Lorraine...oh how you wish! :tease:

Yeah, I aint gonna lie. :D Me and millions of other girls all over the world. :cheeky:

Seriously though, That song should have been recognised more. I wish it was released, It's too good to not have been but then again so are most of his unreleased songs.. I guess they all couldn't be.

He really does get right into it at the end huh?
One song that gives me goosebumps... The lyrics, His vocal, = Perfection.

Favoritetune

02-11-2010, 06:58 AM

I think they said it was too mushy:D

wendijane

02-11-2010, 11:32 AM

nah..:beee:.its still too0000oo mushy,...like mushy peas !:wild::giggle::blush:

Sdeidjs

02-11-2010, 04:48 PM

We could discuss that forever but I'd rather ask you ladies
what kind of songs are you hoping to here on the new album?

With NO disrespect intended;

Working in the music industry, lets face it, MOST not all of the music of the last decade or so has been ALL about what is marketable ($$$)...NOT about the originality, creativity, and talent (s) of an Artist (s).

Unfortunately, when the majority of society continually hear bad to mediocre music, they "get brainwashed" into thinking its good or great music.

To be brutally honest...a side from maybe one or two compositions selected for the 7even Album/CD, I wholeheartedly enjoyed.

Being a somewhat experienced, educated, self taught music buff/critic from waaay back...I must objectively comment that with Mr.Michael Jackson's Albums/CD's were/are "ALWAYS" Worth Absolutely Every Dollar Spent..!

Therefore;

I would like to hear the piano voice solo composition (s) :piano:

Humanitarian Album/CD :give_heart:

Love Songs Album/CD, :wub::girl_butterfly:

Funky Hip Dance tunes, and remixes of new originals. :smoothcriminal:

The Journal Of Reflection & Thoughts "Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 1995 - 2009

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless

:rollingpeace: :angel: :rollingpeace:

Lainy

02-11-2010, 05:29 PM

I can't believe! I think there's a great connection between all people who post here. :clap:
You know, I was just thinking in this song and how much is beautiful and romantic and I was thinking of to post it here and now when I've decided posting I see that the subject is The Lady in my life. In my humble opinion Michael has achieved the perfection with this song. His vocal... *sigh* :wub:

Now I can only singing and continue reading. :)

Ashtanga

02-11-2010, 07:25 PM

I can't believe! I think there's a great connection between all people who post here. :clap:

:shifty:

Lisha

02-11-2010, 10:23 PM

You know, I was just thinking in this song and how much is beautiful and romantic...
and

I think they said it was too mushy:D
This sentiment in the lyrics I think is just so sweet:

And Baby Through The Years
Even When We're Old And Gray
I Will Love You More Each Day

Aww. That kind of mush once in awhile is nice to hear.

I wonder how many women think they should be with MJ and how would they know they were "the one" or not "the one."

I guess, in other words, you're asking, how can anyone really know if they are the LITD girl? That's a good question. Maybe there should be like one of those online tests made entitled, "Are You MJ's LITD Girl?" :lol:

But one doesn't need a formally made test to figure it out if they are her or not.

The LITD girl is someone MJ has talked about, and has maybe been talking to, in many of his lyrics. Right? She would be able to look at an awful lot of lyrics and think, "Hey, that's about me!"

Well, this is how I know I am not the LITD girl :no: ...and I'll take you guys through it with me, and maybe you can ask yourselves these things too? Just for fun. :D

First off, it seems needless for me to even begin this, for as I've let ya all know before, I have never even MET the guy! But let's proceed anyway...

1. Not only have I not met him, I never met him when he was alone in the dark(TWYLM)
2. I never once took his hand and told him I loved him. (TWYLM)
3. I never kissed him in the moonlight. Bummer. (TWYLM)
4. I have never owned a paisley cut top with satin lace. (SDMW)
5. I was never so endowed as to be described as "waistin' over. Must be nice.(SDMW)
6. Now this: Black Jeans And A Turtleneck Sweater...that's not a complete stretch, quite possibly I have been seen wearing black jeans and a turtleneck sweater...but who hasn't once in their life? Pretty generic. I'll go ahead and give myself a possible one point here, like a freebie.(SDMW)
7. To my recollection, I have never had a mojo in my pocket. (SDMW)
8. I don't remember when he and I fell in love. (RTT)
9. I don't remember ever in the fall, holding his hand and staring into his eyes. (RTT)
10. I've never talked on the phone till dawn with him. Man, that guy can apparently talk! (RTT)
11. And of course, as I have already said, I don't remember the first time we met. (RTT)
12. I never was at the beach, in Spain, in the barn, or anywhere with him. (RTT)
13. Seeing as I have never met him, I can't really apply to the words "Everything we said and all we done now." (DWA)
14. I'm pretty sure I have never asked him to come and hold me in his arms. (YANA)
15. Now I DO pray, so how would I know if he ever heard my prayers or not? Maybe. 1/2 a point. But I'm being generous.(YANA)
16. I don't think there ever was a first time I came, where I would have had to have it. (CLHGA)
17. I don't think he ever told me he needed me,(CLHGA) unless he means all the times he said "I need you" in a song of his...and I never said "goodbye to him." (CLHGA) Wait a minute, in YANA he says "You never said goodbye" and here in CLHGA he says, "And Still You Said Goodbye." Make up your mind, bud, girls are trying to figure out if it's them or not!
18. I never told him he was the one to dance on the floor in a round(BJ)
19. I never remember promising him ever that forever we'd live as one. (WII)
20. In fact, I've never promised him a single thing in secret. (WII) I'm the type anyway that would just tell him to his face.
21. I can't imagine where he could have seen me walk by in a dress with high heels on. (TWYMMF)
22. I don't think I have ever put any guy, let alone him, on their knees. (SofS)
23. I've never had anything to do with Gazelle (TII)
24. Did I not answer his calls when he tried to get through? O.o I have an answering machine...how could I have missed his call? haha. Don't remember MJ ever calling me. (Butterflies)
25. He's never laid next to me with my eyes lovely and my mouth sweet. (IJCSLY)

That should be enough, but lots more lyrics and songs.

I have 1 and 1/2 points. Not too impressive. And I think I semi-cheated at that.

I remember Asedora posting pics in a post recently of Cinderella and using that analogy. She talked about how all the girls tried to fit into that slipper, but it was only the perfect fit for one lucky girl...Cinderella.

The only one that will get a perfect score, I should think, as being a match with all his lyrics, would be the LITD girl.

I remember liking this one comic I read as a child. My sister has always been a big collector of comic books, and whenever we'd go into a store we'd look for that comic book rack. I enjoyed them when I was young, but did not go on to collecting them. I was more girly girly than her; she liked all the super heroes back then, male or female, but I prefered the super hero chicks. haha. I like them all now. Just watched the other night IronMan2. :)

So this comic I remember from way back when in the sixties (although my sister may still have it) was a Wonder Woman comic. And on Wonder Woman's island, where she was from, there were only females, and they all had super enhanced powers. But one stood out above them all. Wonder Woman! In this story, they had a competition though, to see who was the most amazing of them all, and I was struck by one of the "tests."

On a large field, there were set up, rows of large hoops or rings, standing up off the ground. Each girl would stand in front of the first ring of a row, and be able to look through and see a long line of them that they had to fly through. The catch was that as they went through each ring, starting with one a bit larger than a hoola hoop, the rings would graduallly get smaller and smaller until the last one was only the size of a maybe a dinner plate or even a saucer.

The comic showed the girls beginning to all fly through the rings with no problem, but soon the different ones would drop off, for eventually they came to a ring too small for their shoulders, or if they somehow made it through that, their head got stuck in the next few. But Wonder Woman, she flew so fast that she was able to longate and stretch herself thin enough to make it through even the one with the smallest diameter...the very last hoop.

There will be girls out there that will try to see themselves in MJ's lyrics and will find they match something here and there. But only the LITD girl will be able to match the most with flying colors.

8701girl

02-11-2010, 11:37 PM

nah..:beee:.its still too0000oo mushy,...like mushy peas !:wild::giggle::blush:

Ewww mushy peas yuck! :puke:

Asedora

03-11-2010, 02:17 AM

I promised that am not going to post here anymore but I could not just pass by without leaving any comments on Shila’s post here. Shila, that was brilliant! :hysterical: Man, I do not remember when was the last time I was laughing that hard with tears on my eyes.

Shila, your post was beyond my expectations :lol: Dear Lord, this comic characters from Wonderland island sound hilarious. :hysterical: Shila, you have a great sense of humor, ya know :yes: Somehow it happened to be that I live very close to a huge amusement park called Wonderland and it cracked me up :lol:

I can help you with that one and you can see if there is any match for you because it is not a correct way how you understand YANA lyrics. Michael is very persistent :) lol

17. I don't think he ever told me he needed me,(CLHGA) unless he means all the times he said "I need you" in a song of his...and I never said "goodbye to him." (CLHGA) Wait a minute, in YANA he says "You never said goodbye" and here in CLHGA he says, "And Still You Said Goodbye." Make up your mind, bud, girls are trying to figure out if it's them or not!

The correct lyrics imo says: You never said good bye (to) someone. Tell me why?
Did you have to go and leave my world so cold?

The girl basically left him for another guy. So, now see if there is any match for you in this part :lol:

And there is nothing about Gazelle in TII song imo. I think, you should look at the lyrics more careful again and see if that one fits you as well :lol:

Lisha

03-11-2010, 04:15 AM

Asedora! I thought we'd never see you here again.

I'm not saying I wasn't hoping to amuse others a little with some of what I put in my post, but not all is pure silliness. My responses were honest.

That really was a comic story line from my past that I always remembered, and it truly came to me one day when I was thinking about how there might be some things that females can match themselves with in MJ's lyrics...but there will be some "rings" they won't make it through. It's an analogy not meant to be funny at all, actually. Only the LITD girl would make it successfully through every ring...or would be able to match herself to a lot of the lyrics...like very possibly owning and wearing at one time a paisley cut top with satin lace.

So I was serious about some things. Now we have said in here before that it is more than possible that -every- song of MJ's was not about the LITD girl, so some lyrics might really be having to do with another girl...or two. But if there is a LITD girl, if she exists, then we are thinking I guess, she is recognizing herself in the lyrics. And that MJ had known there are things that she alone would know has to do with her...that no one else would "get." That's a "ring." The paisley cut top for me is a ring I can't get my shoulders through...but she'd maybe fly right through that one.

EDIT:

correct lyrics imo says: You never said good bye (to) someone. Tell me why?
Did you have to go and leave my world so cold?

The girl basically left him for another guy. So, now see if there is any match for you in this part :lol:

And no, I never left MJ for another guy. I'm still only at 1 and 1/2 points. *sigh*

SoS

03-11-2010, 05:53 AM

paisley cut top for me is a ring I can't get my shoulders through...

:unsure: might I suggest an additional factor that you've left out which is, that of individual interpreting of sound vibrations along with the power of suggestion being a factor in the interpretation of same when people listen or reflect on a song.

Sometime back when I first saw the words, 'paisly cut' written I became very perplexed because as a former informal student of sewing various fabrics and patterns, never had I heard this expression or seen such a 'cut', and asked a (fan) friend who is experienced in the garment manufacturing industry who never heard of it either, so I went and pulled out my Dangerous cd and decided to hear it independently for myself, and so I did the ole 'skip back' until I could hear what it sounds like to me rather than going along with what is 'written'.

Its been established by many listeners of various songs (not just Michael's) that the 'official' texts in the sleeves or those on lyric sites are often a tad 'off' in terms of accuracy and for some strange reason (or not, who knows the reason) some don't even come close but anyway, what I hear is not paisly cut top.

I invite everyone to listen again and very carefully to each - not only word, but 'syllabic sound'. Be it far from me to try and convince so I won't, (especially since I'm thumbing this post on a little hand held lol) because its all so debate-worthy however I'm up and lurking tonight so I couldn't not point out what I feel is a widely accepted 'flawed premise' due to a lyric, but hey, jmho and ears, maybe wrong. :blush:

Oh well, my way of saying hello :hiya: to all the 'dark' guys and gals by dropping in a pence worth as ever before.

I miss you all and the whole board but have to stay focused so I'm as yet and still 'unplugged' but do get to lurk now and then so please keep me and all, entertained lol and keep on keeping on with the love vibe. Its fun and an 'upper' for the board (worthy of being pinned woohoo!).
:heart: So nice to see new 'faces' in here too!
:) and with such interesting points of view.

Umm, :unsure: isn't there a limit to how many usernames one can have?

:tease: (for old times sake)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scurries out of thread>>>>>!

bye everybody! Love YOUs! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Favoritetune

03-11-2010, 06:44 AM

Mushy peas are nasty!

You ladies have me laughing with Shilas litd quiz, those smilies banging on the floor and that crazy face after the so many user names comment.

Shila do you really think any lady left MJ for another man? Let's be realistic here. There are some gals that may have abused his attention and tried to be with other guys and see him but I for one don't think any of them ever tried to leave him. Well I take that back they may have tried but I would guess if they tried he woo'd them back.

What the heck is a paisly cut top? Did he say dust top? That doesn't sound any beter I'm lost. I didn't look it up but I think there were three writers on that song so any lady who fits the criteria then MJ and his co writers can pull a Paul Mcartney and start singing the girl is my litdg:p

Lorraine

03-11-2010, 07:10 AM

Umm, :unsure: isn't there a limit to how many usernames one can have?

Yep, 1. Who has more? :unsure:

Edit: Shila... That gave me a good giggle too.. I loved it. :D

8701girl

03-11-2010, 10:20 AM

The correct lyrics imo says: You never said good bye (to) someone. Tell me why?
Did you have to go and leave my world so cold?

The girl basically left him for another guy. So, now see if there is any match for you in this part :lol:

I always thought "shes out of my life" was bout he girl leaving mj for another guy.

Lisha

03-11-2010, 05:02 PM

I always viewed a "paisley cut top" as meaning a top made of material with a paisley design on it, that was also "low" cut. Notice the next line is about "waisting over" so I took it to mean she "displayed" herself ...a bit. So paisley cut top is a very shortened way to communicate all of that. Just what I had always took it as. But I agree, any one of the collaborators could have contributed that line.

Or...the LITD girl still has that top hanging in her closet for sentimental value due to hearing it being honored in a MICHAEL JACKSON song!!! :wild: Or maybe it's packed away with moth balls. We're talkin' 1993, aren't we?

MysteriousPhoenix

03-11-2010, 09:56 PM

Well, this is how I know I am not the LITD girl :no: ...and I'll take you guys through it with me, and maybe you can ask yourselves these things too? Just for fun. :D

First off, it seems needless for me to even begin this, for as I've let ya all know before, I have never even MET the guy! But let's proceed anyway...

1. Not only have I not met him, I never met him when he was alone in the dark(TWYLM)
2. I never once took his hand and told him I loved him. (TWYLM)
3. I never kissed him in the moonlight. Bummer. (TWYLM)
4. I have never owned a paisley cut top with satin lace. (SDMW)
5. I was never so endowed as to be described as "waistin' over. Must be nice.(SDMW)
6. Now this: Black Jeans And A Turtleneck Sweater...that's not a complete stretch, quite possibly I have been seen wearing black jeans and a turtleneck sweater...but who hasn't once in their life? Pretty generic. I'll go ahead and give myself a possible one point here, like a freebie.(SDMW)
7. To my recollection, I have never had a mojo in my pocket. (SDMW)
8. I don't remember when he and I fell in love. (RTT)
9. I don't remember ever in the fall, holding his hand and staring into his eyes. (RTT)
10. I've never talked on the phone till dawn with him. Man, that guy can apparently talk! (RTT)
11. And of course, as I have already said, I don't remember the first time we met. (RTT)
12. I never was at the beach, in Spain, in the barn, or anywhere with him. (RTT)
13. Seeing as I have never met him, I can't really apply to the words "Everything we said and all we done now." (DWA)
14. I'm pretty sure I have never asked him to come and hold me in his arms. (YANA)
15. Now I DO pray, so how would I know if he ever heard my prayers or not? Maybe. 1/2 a point. But I'm being generous.(YANA)
16. I don't think there ever was a first time I came, where I would have had to have it. (CLHGA)
17. I don't think he ever told me he needed me,(CLHGA) unless he means all the times he said "I need you" in a song of his...and I never said "goodbye to him." (CLHGA) Wait a minute, in YANA he says "You never said goodbye" and here in CLHGA he says, "And Still You Said Goodbye." Make up your mind, bud, girls are trying to figure out if it's them or not!
18. I never told him he was the one to dance on the floor in a round(BJ)
19. I never remember promising him ever that forever we'd live as one. (WII)
20. In fact, I've never promised him a single thing in secret. (WII) I'm the type anyway that would just tell him to his face.
21. I can't imagine where he could have seen me walk by in a dress with high heels on. (TWYMMF)
22. I don't think I have ever put any guy, let alone him, on their knees. (SofS)
23. I've never had anything to do with Gazelle (TII)
24. Did I not answer his calls when he tried to get through? O.o I have an answering machine...how could I have missed his call? haha. Don't remember MJ ever calling me. (Butterflies)
25. He's never laid next to me with my eyes lovely and my mouth sweet. (IJCSLY)

Maybe you got thar what they call that thar amnesier.:lol:

I'm in Cinderella mode myself lately.

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Ashtanga

03-11-2010, 10:07 PM

Maybe you got thar what they call that thar amnesier.:lol:

I'm in Cinderella mode myself lately.

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:shifty:

You appeared!!!!!!!!! :wild: :hug:

I love Cinderella :wub: (one of my favorite movies :wild:). Thanks for the video. :) Made me smile and I needed it.... :blush: *big sigh*

And SOS.... >>> :hi: :give_heart:

8701girl

03-11-2010, 11:25 PM

Or...the LITD girl still has that top hanging in her closet for sentimental value due to hearing it being honored in a MICHAEL JACKSON song!!! :wild: Or maybe it's packed away with moth balls. We're talkin' 1993, aren't we?

Mushy peas.....moth balls...whats goin on with this thread :blink: :lol:

Um not sure what yr we are talkin bout

Lainy

04-11-2010, 08:55 PM

I know what's real cannot be denied
Although it may hide for awhile
With just one touch love can calm your fears
Turning all your tears into smiles
It's such a wonderous feeling
I know that my heart can't be wrong

Aw MP that song is so pretty. Well I must to confess, I always cry listening I still believe (although I dislike the Hayden Panettiere voice's) and I believe in you aww :girl_in_love:
Cinderella movie make me so good when I watch it. :girl_sigh: Brings me back to childhood when I did Cinderella in the theater of school lol but now it's real life :girl_hysteric: :girl_mad: :girl_crazy:.

Thanks for sharing it, thats make me so good. :)

PS: SOS I'm glad to see you here again. :flowers:

Ashtanga

05-11-2010, 01:27 AM

Hey.... :group: :give_heart:

I know everyone should already know..... :D :shifty: We really have a new album:

http://www.epicrecords.com/sites/epicrecords/files/headers/michaeljackson_preorder.jpg?1288903311

Tomorrow, an exclusive teaser for the project will appear on www.michaeljackson.com; on Monday, November 8th the world premiere of “Breaking News,” a full track from the album, will stream on the site for one week only.

http://breakingnews.michaeljackson.com/BR/pressrelease.html

Well, I really do not know if I'm happy or if I cry..... :thinking:

*big sigh*

:cry:

8701girl

05-11-2010, 02:11 AM

Yes i dont know if i should be happy or sad bout the album....its just not the same without mj

Ashtanga

05-11-2010, 02:18 AM

Yes i dont know if i should be happy or sad bout the album....its just not the same without mj

:better:

8701girl

05-11-2010, 06:26 AM

:better:

Thank you :hug:

Sdeidjs

06-11-2010, 06:00 AM

‎"Allot of people miss understand me...thats because they truly and wholeheartedly "don't know", "understand" ME at ALL"...Michael Jackson Paraphrased by Susie

Without ANY doubt...YOU "know" who YOU are...Dedicated to my Nearest & Dearest Bestest Friend (s)~~~ The Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 1995-2009 Proceed will be donated to two prearranged mutually agreed upon charities.

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"Where Are You Now" is way too good to release. Michael Jackson (c) 1995- 2009

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One of the most underrated Album/CD (Rhythm Nation 1814) - Artist of ALL time~~~(c) 1995- 2010

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The Journal of Reflection & Thoughts Truth Of Justice Nothing IS Black Or White (c) 1995 - 2009

Proceeds will be donated to two mutually agreed upon prearranged charities.

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless YOU Always and Forever

:rollingpeace::angel::rollingpeace:

tha

06-11-2010, 10:20 PM

Yes i dont know if i should be happy or sad bout the album....its just not the same without mj

Hi honey ! Hi everyone !!! Long time no write here ! Miss everybody !!! ^^

I know how you feel, 8701girl because I feel the same ! Something in this album tell me that is really over, that he really gone ! :worried:

Favoritetune

07-11-2010, 03:27 AM

Okay ladies MJ would not want you to be sad so you have to remember that his music was a way for people to escape. So try not to be too sad and think of the love he expressed to the world through his music not just to a possible litdg but to everyone of you.

When the new CD is out cellebrate him and let his voice mend your souls as it's always done.

8701girl

07-11-2010, 11:33 AM

Hi honey ! Hi everyone !!! Long time no write here ! Miss everybody !!! ^^

I know how you feel, 8701girl because I feel the same ! Something in this album tell me that is really over, that he really gone ! :worried:

Aww we miss u too !

Yes knowing thats hes not here to promote the album really shows that hes gone :(

ASIS

07-11-2010, 10:50 PM

What is this thread about?

Lainy

07-11-2010, 10:58 PM

Tha, I'm glad to see you here. :wild:

Mmm, you know, it's so hard be MJ fan, very hard even. I like many other artists, mostly Brazilian artists but with none of them I have the care and affection that I have for Michael Jackson. I grew up hearing my mamma to say he didn't knew I exist, ha! ha! ha! Man I know she was right but I didn't care about it, I like him and I defended him without even he knowing my existence. My brother and I listened MJ almost every day and that was great! I felt so good. We were very excited when we heard about the new tour. It was our chance to see MJ in action and even without being able to go to the shows we would follow everything.
When MJ was gone I was going through very difficult times of depression and anxiety, I've been to hell and back. I had left my job and I postponed some dreams and knowing he had left us broken my heart... I no longer wanted, I couldn't longer hear/see MJ. I gathered everything I had about him (well, no much 'cause I was never a collector, I never collected anything in my life, really, I can't do lol) and putted in a box on top of my bookshelf. Two months later I started to see the things from different angle, I talked to many fans around the world (online) and saw that I wasn't alone. You know, our troubles become less cumbersome when we know aren't alone.
There is a song by community Toca de Assis that says,
" Will always have reason who dares to say, 'who lives inside the heart is always near'."

so...

Okay ladies MJ would not want you to be sad so you have to remember that his music was a way for people to escape. So try not to be too sad and think of the love he expressed to the world through his music not just to a possible litdg but to everyone of you.

When the new CD is out cellebrate him and let his voice mend your souls as it's always done.

:clapping:

PS: Apologize ladies, I went out the theme. I just needed grizzle a bit.

Lainy

07-11-2010, 11:06 PM

What is this thread about?

Welcome Asis.
We talk about Michael's songs. If he had a ladie in the dark which he could to communicate with her through his songs lyrics.
But sometimes we leave out the theme. :lol:

ASIS

07-11-2010, 11:33 PM

Welcome Asis.
We talk about Michael's songs. If he had a ladie in the dark which he could to communicate with her through his songs lyrics.
But sometimes we leave out the theme. :lol:

:lol: Thank you!

Well I guess this thread is not for me after all, it's that i've seen this thread for so long and i always wondered.

Ashtanga

08-11-2010, 12:10 AM

:lol: Thank you!

Well I guess this thread is not for me after all, it's that i've seen this thread for so long and i always wondered.

:lol:

BUT all are very welcome here. :cheeky: :heart:

Hey people.... >>> :group:

Here is very quiet... :doh: :( :no: :bugeyed I hope everyone is ok. :yes: :angel: :heart:

:shifty:

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8701girl

08-11-2010, 12:58 AM

Yes asis u are very welcome here in this thread and this thread was maent to be bout mjs songs. But we have seem to have forgotten bout that ..whoops.. :giggle:

AllForMJ

09-11-2010, 11:56 PM

Hello All!

I have been hecka tied up, tied down, tied around and ALL THAT!!! LOL! Man oh man oh man!! But guess what?! I've been coming in from time to time too to take of peak at the posts from all of you! Just haven't had time to post anything myself!
:giggle:

Before posting something looooooonnnnnngggg for you all to read, I first gotta say this to the staff of MJJC!

Thank you MJJC staff so very, very much for making this thread a Sticky!! It is a great, great honor!! :wild:

And thank you also to all here that are still enjoying this discussion and to the new posters!! :wild:

I've been jotting down some notes to myself while waiting for a chance to post and I won't be able to post all of it at once, but MJ's love story is still continuing to unfold and it is being revealed in various things including the musical story that MJ himself has told. :yes:

Lets look at his songs on the "Number Ones" CD again and "The Ultimate Collection" to see.

Number Ones

1 Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
2 Rock With You
3 Billie Jean
4 Beat It
5 Thriller
6 I Just Can’t Stop Loving You
7 Bad
8 Smooth Criminal
9 The Way You Make Me Feel
10 Man In The Mirror
11 Dirty Diana
12 Black Or White
13 You Are Not Alone
14 Earth Song
15 You Rock My World
16 Break Of Dawn
17 One More Chance
18 Ben (Live)

The Ultimate Collection

Disc 1
1 I Want You Back
2 ABC
3 I'll Be There
4 Got To Be There
5 I Wanna Be Where You Are
6 Ben
7 Dancing Machine
8 Enjoy Yourself
9 Ease On Down The Road
10 You Can't Win (From "The Wiz")
11 Shake A Body
12 Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)
13 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
14 Rock With You
15 Off The Wall
16 She's Out Of My Life
17 Sunset Driver
18 Lovely One
19 This Place Hotel

Disc 2
1 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2 The Girl Is Mine
3 Thriller
4 Beat It
5 Billie Jean
6 P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing - Demo)
7 Someone In The Dark
8 State Of Shock
9 Scared Of The Moon
10 We Are The World
11 We Are Here To Change The World (From “Captain Eo”)

Disc 3
1 Bad
2 The Way You Make Me Feel
3 Man In The Mirror
4 I Just Can't Stop Loving You
5 Dirty Diana
6 Smooth Criminal
7 Cheater
8 Dangerous
9 Monkey Business
10 Jam
11 Remember The Time
12 Black Or White
13 Who Is It
14 Someone Put Your Hand Out

Disc 4
1 You Are Not Alone
2 Stranger In Moscow
3 Childhood (Theme from "Free Willy 2")
4 On The Line
5 Blood On The Dance Floor
6 Fall Again (Demo)
7 In the Back
8 Unbreakable
9 You Rock My World
10 Butterflies
11 Beautiful Girl
12 The Way You Love Me
13 We've Had Enough

Notice again that, with the exception of Ben (Live), MJ has placed his songs in chronological order and in such a way that it draws a picture of things that had occurred in his life. The "Number Ones" CD takes us through a journey of his solo career from "Off The Wall" released in 1979 on up to the "Number Ones" CD itself released in 2003. And for "The Ultimate Collection," he is listing songs starting from when he was a kid and he is bringing us all the way up to songs that he worked on in 2004 while going through the trial. He actually released the box set while he was going through the trial.

"The Ultimate Collection" box set includes soundtracks that he did for movies that others starred in, and he also included songs that he performed on screen for movies that he himself starred in which are "The Wiz" and "Captain EO." He has revealed that the soundtrack entitled "Childhood" is indeed about him. This alone clearly shows that he does record songs that are about his life.

Think about it. When a person has been writing and selecting songs for a very long time, it seems like it would become kind of hard to not sometimes write or select songs that are about oneself.

Now, if everyone pays close attention to "Ben (Live)" which is the song that he selected as the last song to place at the end of the "Number Ones" CD, we will notice that it has the words "I used to say I and me. Now it's us. Now it's we."

What song did MJ place at the end of "The Ultimate Collection" box set? He ended the long list of songs with a song entitled "We’ve Had Enough," didn’t he?

Go look at his other greatest hits CDs that he's put out. Are the songs in chronological order? No, they are not. For example, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. Look at disc one, HIStory Begins. Is it in chronological order? It is not. He started putting his songs in chronological order in 2003 and doing so shows the order that things had occurred in his life. With disc two, HIStory Continues, MJ is expressing his feelings, though, and the song "Childhood" is on this CD.

Now, if we look back at "The Ultimate Collection" a little more, we will notice that before MJ ends the song list with "We've Had Enough," he first included two songs before it where he is saying that he was in love. In "Beautiful Girl" he is being straight forward with it. And, with "The Way You Love Me" not only is he revealing that someone had come to him, but this song also ties right in with the song "Will You Be There" and what he is saying at the end of the thank you message that he put out before going overseas after winning the trial. Watch.

"Will You Be There"
Hold me
Like the River Jordan

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're holdin' me

"Will You Be There"
Love me like a mother

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're lovin' me

"Will You Be There"
Kiss me and free me

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're kissin' me

"Will You Be There"
Carry me like you are my brother

Now look at the second half of MJ’s thank you message. You will see the rest that ties into "Will You Be There."

______________
Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible.

You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through.

I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration.

Love,

Michael Jackson
______________

Didn't MJ also start putting out songs between 2003 and 2004 expressing what his needs were? His needs are being mentioned on the "Number Ones" CD in "One More Chance" and in the song "Fall Again" which was the first love song played on the Internet from the box set, and in it he says "I need you around for every day to start" and "I need your love in my life." In "One More Chance" he is saying "All I need is one more chance at love." He was letting her know that he needed her companionship to carry on. And from looking at the way that he became upbeat again before he passed away, he definitely got what he needed from her and he was happy about it.

Something else from "Will You Be There" to look at is the line "When lost will you find me."

Notice that in "Someone In The Dark" MJ sings the words "All alone wishing on stars, waiting for you to find me."

In "The Way You Love Me" is said "You came in time."

These songs are all tying together...

To those that are still having a hard time accepting the possibility that MJ was in love before he passed away, there is a question in MJ's new song "Breaking News" that was recorded in 2007. His question is "Why is it strange that I would fall in love?"

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/new-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news

Isn't it interesting that he would ask this question? I guess he felt that some people didn't think he was willing to fall in love and he is revealing that he was willing.

Now, before going, I want to say to the person in the thread that had mentioned that this discussion is now over 700 pages long and that 7 is MJ’s favorite number….

Isn't that GREAT!!! :wild: Both MJ and God love the number 7!! Not only did God give the world 7 days of the week, but He also gave us 7 years to be teenagers!! Wanna see?!! Look!!

1. Thirteen
2. Fourteen
3. Fifteen
4. Sixteen
5. Seventeen
6. Eighteen
7. Nineteen

:lol:

Lucky number 7!!!

Well, that’s all for now. When I come back to post an answer to MysteriousPhoenix, I’m gonna provide links to some videos that will reveal MJ’s determination to take back his life. MP, you will see that our guy would have won the trial back in the 90's just like he did in the 2000's and that he knew early on that God was going to help him.
:yes:

Ashtanga

10-11-2010, 12:27 AM

Hello All!

I have been hecka tied up, tied down, tied around and ALL THAT!!! LOL! Man oh man oh man!! But guess what?! I've been coming in from time to time too to take of peak at the posts from all of you! Just haven't had time to post anything myself!
:giggle:

Before posting something looooooonnnnnngggg for you all to read, I first gotta say this to the staff of MJJC!

Thank you MJJC staff so very, very much for making this thread a Sticky!! It is a great, great honor!! :wild:

And thank you also to all here that are still enjoying this discussion and to the new posters!! :wild:

I've been jotting down some notes to myself while waiting for a chance to post and I won't be able to post all of it at once, but MJ's love story is still continuing to unfold and it is being revealed in various things including the musical story that MJ himself has told. :yes:

Lets look at his songs on the "Number Ones" CD again and "The Ultimate Collection" to see.

Number Ones

1 Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
2 Rock With You
3 Billie Jean
4 Beat It
5 Thriller
6 I Just Can’t Stop Loving You
7 Bad
8 Smooth Criminal
9 The Way You Make Me Feel
10 Man In The Mirror
11 Dirty Diana
12 Black Or White
13 You Are Not Alone
14 Earth Song
15 You Rock My World
16 Break Of Dawn
17 One More Chance
18 Ben (Live)

The Ultimate Collection

Disc 1
1 I Want You Back
2 ABC
3 I'll Be There
4 Got To Be There
5 I Wanna Be Where You Are
6 Ben
7 Dancing Machine
8 Enjoy Yourself
9 Ease On Down The Road
10 You Can't Win (From "The Wiz")
11 Shake A Body
12 Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)
13 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
14 Rock With You
15 Off The Wall
16 She's Out Of My Life
17 Sunset Driver
18 Lovely One
19 This Place Hotel

Disc 2
1 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2 The Girl Is Mine
3 Thriller
4 Beat It
5 Billie Jean
6 P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing - Demo)
7 Someone In The Dark
8 State Of Shock
9 Scared Of The Moon
10 We Are The World
11 We Are Here To Change The World (From “Captain Eo”)

Disc 3
1 Bad
2 The Way You Make Me Feel
3 Man In The Mirror
4 I Just Can't Stop Loving You
5 Dirty Diana
6 Smooth Criminal
7 Cheater
8 Dangerous
9 Monkey Business
10 Jam
11 Remember The Time
12 Black Or White
13 Who Is It
14 Someone Put Your Hand Out

Disc 4
1 You Are Not Alone
2 Stranger In Moscow
3 Childhood (Theme from "Free Willy 2")
4 On The Line
5 Blood On The Dance Floor
6 Fall Again (Demo)
7 In the Back
8 Unbreakable
9 You Rock My World
10 Butterflies
11 Beautiful Girl
12 The Way You Love Me
13 We've Had Enough

Notice again that, with the exception of Ben (Live), MJ has placed his songs in chronological order and in such a way that it draws a picture of things that had occurred in his life. The "Number Ones" CD takes us through a journey of his solo career from "Off The Wall" released in 1979 on up to the "Number Ones" CD itself released in 2003. And for "The Ultimate Collection," he is listing songs starting from when he was a kid and he is bringing us all the way up to songs that he worked on in 2004 while going through the trial. He actually released the box set while he was going through the trial.

"The Ultimate Collection" box set includes soundtracks that he did for movies that others starred in, and he also included songs that he performed on screen for movies that he himself starred in which are "The Wiz" and "Captain EO." He has revealed that the soundtrack entitled "Childhood" is indeed about him. This alone clearly shows that he does record songs that are about his life.

Think about it. When a person has been writing and selecting songs for a very long time, it seems like it would become kind of hard to not sometimes write or select songs that are about oneself.

Now, if everyone pays close attention to "Ben (Live)" which is the song that he selected as the last song to place at the end of the "Number Ones" CD, we will notice that it has the words "I used to say I and me. Now it's us. Now it's we."

What song did MJ place at the end of "The Ultimate Collection" box set? He ended the long list of songs with a song entitled "We’ve Had Enough," didn’t he?

Go look at his other greatest hits CDs that he's put out. Are the songs in chronological order? No, they are not. For example, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I. Look at disc one, HIStory Begins. Is it in chronological order? It is not. He started putting his songs in chronological order in 2003 and doing so shows the order that things had occurred in his life. With disc two, HIStory Continues, MJ is expressing his feelings, though, and the song "Childhood" is on this CD.

Now, if we look back at "The Ultimate Collection" a little more, we will notice that before MJ ends the song list with "We've Had Enough," he first included two songs before it where he is saying that he was in love. In "Beautiful Girl" he is being straight forward with it. And, with "The Way You Love Me" not only is he revealing that someone had come to him, but this song also ties right in with the song "Will You Be There" and what he is saying at the end of the thank you message that he put out before going overseas after winning the trial. Watch.

"Will You Be There"
Hold me
Like the River Jordan

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're holdin' me

"Will You Be There"
Love me like a mother

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're lovin' me

"Will You Be There"
Kiss me and free me

"The Way You Love Me"
I like the way how you're kissin' me

"Will You Be There"
Carry me like you are my brother

Now look at the second half of MJ’s thank you message. You will see the rest that ties into "Will You Be There."

______________
Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible.

You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through.

I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration.

Love,

Michael Jackson
______________

Didn't MJ also start putting out songs between 2003 and 2004 expressing what his needs were? His needs are being mentioned on the "Number Ones" CD in "One More Chance" and in song "Fall Again" which was the first love song played on the Internet from the box set, and in it he says "I need you around for every day to start" and "I need your love in my life." In "One More Chance" is saying "All I need is one more chance at love." He was letting her know that he needed her companionship to carry on. And from looking at the way that he became upbeat again before he passed away, he definitely got what he needed from her and he was happy about it.

Something else from "Will You Be There" to look at is the line "When lost will you find me."

Notice that in "Someone In The Dark" MJ sings the words "All alone wishing on stars, waiting for you to find me."

In "The Way You Love Me" is said "You came in time."

These songs are all tying together...

To those that are still having a hard time accepting the possibility that MJ was in love before he passed away, there is a question in MJ's new song "Breaking News" that was recorded in 2007. His question is "Why is it strange that I would fall in love?"

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/new-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news

Isn't it interesting that he would ask this question? I guess he felt that some people didn't think he was willing to fall in love and he is revealing that he was willing.

Now, before going, I want to say to the person in the thread that had mentioned that this discussion is now over 700 pages long and that 7 is MJ’s favorite number….

Isn't that GREAT!!! :wild: Both MJ and God love the number 7!! Not only did God give the world 7 days of the week, but He also gave us 7 years to be teenagers!! Wanna see?!! Look!!

1. Thirteen
2. Fourteen
3. Fifteen
4. Sixteen
5. Seventeen
6. Eighteen
7. Nineteen

:lol:

Lucky number 7!!!

Well, that’s all for now. When I come back to post an answer to MysteriousPhoenix, I’m gonna provide links to some videos that will reveal MJ’s determination to take back his life. MP, you will see that our guy would have won the trial back in the 90's just like he did in the 2000's and that he knew early on that God was going to help him.
:yes:
AllForMJ.... :wild: :wild: :wild:

:shifty:

You're back! :D Good to see you here. :cheeky:

Wow, long post.... :wild: Like old times.... :cheers:

Well, I'm just passing here to say "hi" to you. :hi: I'm tired, my brain is so tired and all the latest happenings (:().... are killing me. *big sigh*

I hope you dont disappear... :cheeky: :give_heart: :hug:

Ohood

10-11-2010, 12:28 AM

^ WOW ! Amzing. this place is very peaceful...i came to rest my mind from the stress in the other threads and i was not disappointed ! thanx !

8701girl

10-11-2010, 01:03 AM

______________
Without God, my children, my family and you, my fans, I could not have made it through. Your love, support and loyalty made it all possible.

You were there when I really needed you. I will never forget you. Your ever-present love held me, dried my tears, and carried me through.

I will treasure your devotion and support forever. You are my inspiration.

Love,

Michael Jackson

Aww he was so sweet :wub: :heart:

Lainy

10-11-2010, 11:25 PM

AllForMJ :wild: Nice to see you here again. I think you'll be surprised at some new usernames lol.
Great post. :)

MysteriousPhoenix

11-11-2010, 01:32 AM

8701girl

11-11-2010, 01:39 AM

Is he implying that his troubles with the media had something to do with him being in love?

yes i think so.

Remember when him & lisa marie got married, the media & naysayers were saying "oh their marriage cant be real, its fake" blah blah. I think that really got to michael & offened him.

Ashtanga

11-11-2010, 03:02 AM

To those that are still having a hard time accepting the possibility that MJ was in love before he passed away, there is a question in MJ's new song "Breaking News" that was recorded in 2007. His question is "Why is it strange that I would fall in love?"

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/new...-breaking-news

Isn't it interesting that he would ask this question? I guess he felt that some people didn't think he was willing to fall in love and he is revealing that he was willing.

:shifty:

I just read this on another thread and I could not resist and I'll post here too:

5. Do you all understand the lyrics of the song? Do you really think he is singing about the media ONLY? I don't think so, let me explain why. This was recorded in 2007. Mike had been to hell and back after the trial. The media slandered him, broke him and never apologized after he was aquitted. They simply ignored it. Yet this song is pretty 'nice' if you compare it with his other lyrics. Let me post some of the lines for you:

Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson.
Reporters stalking the moves of Michael Jackson.

EVERYBODY wanting a piece, that means the fans too and I think more than anyone else.

no matter what, you just wanna read it again
no matter what, you just wanna feed it again

Again, directed to the fans. Fans read it, fans feed it. The media lies, but the fan buys.

Everybody watching the news on Michael Jackson
They want to see that I fall cuz I’m Michael Jackson

Who is watching that news? The media, or the public/fans?

Why is it strange that I would fall in love (hoo-whoa-oo-why)
Who is that boogie man you thinkin’ of (ya thinkin' of)
How am I crazy cuz im just in love (i'm just in love and you're)
this is breaking news X2 (hoo-whoa-oo-why)

That is what shows this is to the fans and not to the media. The media did worse than just reporting that he had a girlfriend. Actually, they only talked about the child molestation charges most of the time. The fans are interested in his love life.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3066090&postcount=5068

And I agree with that person. :girl_whistle:

:bugeyed

PLEASE, do not play stones at me!!! :fear:

:angel:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

MysteriousPhoenix

11-11-2010, 11:17 AM

:shifty:

I just read this on another thread and I could not resist and I'll post here too:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3066090&postcount=5068

And I agree with that person. :girl_whistle:

:bugeyed

PLEASE, do not play stones at me!!! :fear:

:angel:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

So he thought that it would've been better if the media had just reported on his love life instead of the more serious stuff? Is he also saying that they reported on all kinds of stuff, but they completely missed the real "breaking news" and that was the fact that he was in love?

Ohood

11-11-2010, 11:59 AM

I think MJ always refer to the media refusal to believe his love for Children and nature...he says and Kathriene also in her interview refered to this love , he love children and can't harm the ! this is his man fight with the media and hatres ! JMO

Lainy

11-11-2010, 08:54 PM

5. Do you all understand the lyrics of the song? Do you really think he is singing about the media ONLY? I don't think so, let me explain why. This was recorded in 2007. Mike had been to hell and back after the trial. The media slandered him, broke him and never apologized after he was aquitted. They simply ignored it. Yet this song is pretty 'nice' if you compare it with his other lyrics. Let me post some of the lines for you:

Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson.
Reporters stalking the moves of Michael Jackson.

EVERYBODY wanting a piece, that means the fans too and I think more than anyone else.

no matter what, you just wanna read it again
no matter what, you just wanna feed it again

Again, directed to the fans. Fans read it, fans feed it. The media lies, but the fan buys.

Everybody watching the news on Michael Jackson
They want to see that I fall cuz I’m Michael Jackson

Who is watching that news? The media, or the public/fans?

Why is it strange that I would fall in love (hoo-whoa-oo-why)
Who is that boogie man you thinkin’ of (ya thinkin' of)
How am I crazy cuz im just in love (i'm just in love and you're)
this is breaking news X2 (hoo-whoa-oo-why)

That is what shows this is to the fans and not to the media. The media did worse than just reporting that he had a girlfriend. Actually, they only talked about the child molestation charges most of the time. The fans are interested in his love life.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3066090&postcount=5068

I would not be surprised if this person had actually right. Everybody wants a piece of Michael Jackson in one way or another.

Does Michael Jackson wanted to be just a regular guy without all these people running after him and wondering about his love life and not only professional? Does he just wanted to be a good father (who no doubt it is), fall in love and live as "common" people do?
Sometimes I ask me if he was not tired of it all and wanted to stop but the fans had a small share of blame because we always wanted more and more, new shows and new songs and new albums. What do you really think? :scratch:

Ashtanga

11-11-2010, 09:04 PM

ople running after him and wondering about his love life and not only professional? Does he just wanted to be a good father (who no doubt it is), fall in love and live as "common" people do?
Sometimes I ask me if he was not tired of it all and wanted to stop but the fans had a small share of blame because we always wanted more and more, new shows and new songs and new albums. What do you really think? :scratch:

I agree with everything you said. -_-

:fear:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Sdeidjs

12-11-2010, 01:36 AM

"Allot of People Misunderstand Me...That's Because They "TRULY" Never Understood Me At All..!"

Michael Jackson
(Paraphrased By Susie)

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Be STILL My Everlasting Heart..!

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

God Bless Always

:rollingpeace::angel::rollingpeace:

summer

12-11-2010, 03:33 PM

Have you guys seen the pictures from the One More Chance video?? :D Where MJ is dancing in an empty restaurant and behind the glass or on the other side are tons of fans. Since I haven't seen the video I guess there are two possibilities...that either MJ just let fans follow the filming (but have we heard from any fans that they got to go watch MJ? :scratch:)....OR...they are part of the story. And the story I could think of from the images is that MJ is alone in a restaurant...isolated...like so many times in real life..and there's all the fans on the other side. Like he once said himself "There's all that love out there"....But he's singing about "If you see her....tell her this for MEEEEEEE"....:lol: So maybe the crowd represents...a crowd. :lol: You know...MJ trying to look for the girl in the crowd....the LITD girl?! :wild: :wild: :wild: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Coming to think of it...I am almost sure I once wrote a "description", my video idea, to some MJ song in which MJ was looking for a girl in the crowd...finally seeing her in the crowd...then walking towards her but the crowd's pulling her away...I even think it had stairs of some kind in it..:lol: I can't remember to what song it was and how the video idea I had was exactly...all I remember is that it was a "love story" about MJ and a girl in teh crowd and the girl was brunette...I could swear it was somewhere on MJJC or back in MJJF....But I can't remember in what thread and why I wrote it. :scratch: Maybe it was when the song was first released and we were thinking about what kind of videos we could come up with for the song....Wish I could remember where I posted it...I was on MJOnline for awhile, so it could have been there too...but I could SWEAR I wrote it on some MJ board for some MJ song...and it only could have been either one of the songs on Invincible (but I don't think it was that far back)...or it was for Number Ones...But when I wrote that...I could not say...Anyways...doesn't matter. Just had to laugh when I saw the photos because I immediately thought of you guys and knew that's some material for you guys to analyze!! :lol: :lol:

I'm so glad this thread is still going! It's such a fun, positive thread and such a great threa to come to in the middle of all this album drama!! :)

Ashtanga

13-11-2010, 03:31 AM

So he thought that it would've been better if the media had just reported on his love life instead of the more serious stuff? Is he also saying that they reported on all kinds of stuff, but they completely missed the real "breaking news" and that was the fact that he was in love?

:girl_whistle:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Summer >>> :hi:

MysteriousPhoenix

14-11-2010, 01:13 AM

All these "mysteries" are making my brain hurt.

Ashtanga

14-11-2010, 01:40 AM

All these "mysteries" are making my brain hurt.

LOL

I've said, the mystery is the essence of the whole thing. :cheeky:

:fortuneteller:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

MysteriousPhoenix

14-11-2010, 01:50 AM

LOL

I've said, the mystery is the essence of the whole thing. :cheeky:

:fortuneteller:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Oh yeah, that's right, I keep on forgetting. And ... I feel like snatching that bucket of popcorn out of "Thriller" MJ's hands! It mocks me!

8701girl

14-11-2010, 01:53 AM

i want some of mjs popcorn too!

MysteriousPhoenix

14-11-2010, 02:04 AM

i want some of mjs popcorn too!

Oh, I don't want any popcorn. I'm just tired of my brain hurtin' and all he does is munch on popcorn and laugh at me!!! I just want the fun of walking up to him in that theater and saying once and for all, "Gimme that!!!" and snatching it out of his hands as he abruptly turns and looks at me with a look of shock and horror on his face as if to say, "Hey! Whaddya do that for?!" Hahahaha! That would be fun for me!;D

Edit: I'm sorry. I guess I'm not in such a great mood as I am nursing another cold. I think I had better get some rest since I am thinking of cruel things to do to that popcorn-munchin' "Thriller" MJ!

Ashtanga

14-11-2010, 02:12 AM

Oh yeah, that's right, I keep on forgetting. And ... I feel like snatching that bucket of popcorn out of "Thriller" MJ's hands! It mocks me!

Oh, I don't want any popcorn. I'm just tired of my brain hurtin' and all he does is munch on popcorn and laugh at me!!! I just want the fun of walking up to him in that theater and saying once and for all, "Gimme that!!!" and snatching it out of his hands as he abruptly turns and looks at me with a look of shock and horror on his face as if to say, "Hey! Whaddya do that for?!" Hahahaha! That would be fun for me!;D

:lol:

You're awesome! Thanks for getting me to laugh. :cheeky: And Michael never divides his popcorn with anyone. -_- He is greedy. Just look at the gif. :hungry: :wild:

i want some of mjs popcorn too!
:hungry:

Eating popcorn with MJ or a war of popcorn (:lol:). I would love. :wub:

:cry: *big sigh*

8701girl

14-11-2010, 02:13 AM

Oh, I don't want any popcorn. I'm just tired of my brain hurtin' and all he does is munch on popcorn and laugh at me!!! I just want the fun of walking up to him in that theater and saying once and for all, "Gimme that!!!" and snatching it out of his hands as he abruptly turns and looks at me with a look of shock and horror on his face as if to say, "Hey! Whaddya do that for?!" Hahahaha! That would be fun for me!;D

Id just wait till he wasnt looking ans snatch them off him and be like:innocent:

I hope u will get better soon :hug:

8701girl

14-11-2010, 02:16 AM

:lol:

You're awesome! Thanks for getting me to laugh. :cheeky: And Michael never divides his popcorn with anyone. -_- He is greedy. Just look at the gif. :hungry: :wild:

:hungry:

Eating popcorn with MJ or a war of popcorn (:lol:). I would love. :wub:

:cry: *big sigh*

LOL i dont think he even gave some to ola ! the lil greedy bugger :lol:

Ashtanga

14-11-2010, 02:19 AM

LOL i dont think he even gave some to ola ! the lil greedy bugger :lol:

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/37257/michael-jackson-speechless-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/37257/michael-jackson-speechless-o.gif

:cry:

8701girl

14-11-2010, 02:24 AM

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/37257/michael-jackson-speechless-o.gif

:cry:

See hes laughing cuz hes guilty of not giving any popcorn 2 ola! cheeky mj

Aww hun dont cry :hug:

MysteriousPhoenix

14-11-2010, 02:37 AM

Ashtanga, can you tell me what in thee HECK MJ is saying in this gif - I can't hear anything he is saying. All I know is that I am so sick it makes me feel like throwing some popcorn dead in his FACE! Please don't be offended by that anyone. MJ woulda liked that sorta thing. It woulda really got him goin'. He liked that sorta thing. He woulda just thrown some back in my face, too! This is how strange people show affection to one another.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/37257/michael-jackson-speechless-o.gif

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/37257/michael-jackson-speechless-o.gif

:cry:

AllForMJ

14-11-2010, 06:33 AM

AllForMJ :wild: Nice to see you here again. I think you'll be surprised at some new usernames lol.
Great post. :)
Hi, Lainy! It's always nice to see newbies! :wild: :D

:shifty:

I just read this on another thread and I could not resist and I'll post here too:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3066090&postcount=5068

And I agree with that person. :girl_whistle:

:bugeyed

PLEASE, do not play stones at me!!! :fear:

:angel:

:shifty:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Not gonna stone you, Ashtanga!! LOL!

The song "Breaking News" has a line in it that says, "He wanna write my obituary" before it goes into the part that says, "No matter what, you just wanna read it again. No matter what, you just wanna feed it again."

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/new-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news

MJ would not say that to his fans. He knew his fans would never refer to him as the boogie man or want to read an obituary because his fans care about him.

"Breaking News" also has a line that says "They want to see that I fall 'cause I'm Michael Jackson." He would not say that to his fans either because he knew that his fans only wished him well, and that they wanted him only to raise. They did not want him to fall.

Is he implying that his troubles with the media had something to do with him being in love?

Although he did fall, he did not do the type of fall that his foes wanted. God instead had something wonderful happen to MJ. He instead had MJ fall in love and boosted his spirits before their very eyes, and MJ is breaking the news. He's doing it with the chorus. See?

Why is it strange that I would fall in love?
Who is that boogie man you're thinkin' of?
Oh am I crazy 'cause I'm just in love?
This is breaking news
This is breaking news

Falling in love took away most of MJ's pain so he could bounce back. Notice that he said, "Just when you thought he was done he comes to give it again" and that he also centered his chorus around him being in love. He was feeling joy. He didn't display this type of joy on his Invincible CD. He cried in agony on it.

Over the years, there was always a certain way that he would act when he had special feelings for someone. It would show up in his music just like it was doing starting from 2003. That's why I created this thread to point it out.

Don't forget, this discussion began in 2008. "Breaking News" has surfaced in 2010 and there was no way to even know that MJ was working on this song in 2007. Yet, here it is confirming the discussion. lol

So now there is "Beautiful Girl" released in 2004 where he is saying, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you?" And also "This Is It" where he is saying "We can feel this is real. Every time I'm in love that I feel."

MJ was sprung. He was head over hills in love all the way up to 2009. And with another song he said his love for her is "For All Time."

God did not allow MJ to leave this earth without that feeling. He was singing about it.

:yes:

By the way, here's some popcorn to tie you over until you figure out how to jump into that video and get MJ's. LOL Here's some for you too, 8701girl!

8701girl-----> :popcorn:

MysteriousPhoenix-----> :popcorn:

:lol:

MysteriousPhoenix

14-11-2010, 01:39 PM

... "Breaking News" also has a line that says "They want to see that I fall 'cause I'm Michael Jackson." He would not say that to his fans either because he knew that his fans only wished him well, and that they wanted him only to raise. They did not want him to fall.

Although he did fall, he did not do the type of fall that his foes wanted. God instead had something wonderful happen to MJ. He instead had MJ fall in love and boosted his spirits before their very eyes, and MJ is breaking the news. He's doing it with the chorus. See?

Why is it strange that I would fall in love?
Who is that boogie man you're thinkin' of?
Oh am I crazy 'cause I'm just in love?
This is breaking news
This is breaking news

It's all starting to make sense the way you put it.

Now on to the real "breaking news" ...

Popcorn Fight!!!:D

Ashtanga

14-11-2010, 05:41 PM

Aww hun dont cry :hug:
:hug: to you too!!!

I try not to cry, but sometimes it's difficult. :( *big sigh*

Ashtanga, can you tell me what in thee HECK MJ is saying in this gif - I can't hear anything he is saying. All I know is that I am so sick it makes me feel like throwing some popcorn dead in his FACE! Please don't be offended by that anyone. MJ woulda liked that sorta thing. It woulda really got him goin'. He liked that sorta thing. He woulda just thrown some back in my face, too! This is how strange people show affection to one another.
:girl_sigh:

:shifty:

Well, Michael did not like what I said and was embarrassed by it. LOL He said: "Do not believe in Ash. I'm not greedy and I share my popcorn with everyone." LOL

*NOW throwing popcorn at Michael.* :lol:

Not gonna stone you, Ashtanga!! LOL!
LOL

I'm soooooooooo happy for that! :D :give_heart:

Popcorn Fight!!!:D

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

8701girl

15-11-2010, 02:26 AM

:hug: to you too!!!

I try not to cry, but sometimes it's difficult. :( *big sigh*

:girl_sigh:

I cry too alot of times over mj

MysteriousPhoenix

15-11-2010, 02:28 AM

Well, Michael did not like what I said and was embarrassed by it. LOL He said: "Do not believe in Ash. I'm not greedy and I share my popcorn with everyone." LOL

*NOW throwing popcorn at Michael.* :lol:

Oh, o.k. I didn't know what he said, but I have to admit he looked pretty dog gone cute sayin' it.

Hey, remember when Oprah asked MJ if he ever looks in the mirror and says, "Hmmm, I look pretty cute today." and MJ goes to answer her and then he suddenly pauses as if it just hits him what she said and he repeats, "Pretty cute today" and laughs. That was funny.:D

Ashtanga

15-11-2010, 02:46 AM

I cry too alot of times over mj

:hug:

Yes, me too. I do not know as I still have tears to cry. :( *big sigh*

Oh, o.k. I didn't know what he said, but I have to admit he looked pretty dog gone cute sayin' it.
:lol: Yes....

Hey, remember when Oprah asked MJ if he ever looks in the mirror and says, "Hmmm, I look pretty cute today." and MJ goes to answer her and then he suddenly pauses as if it just hits him what she said and he repeats, "Pretty cute today" and laughs. That was funny.:D
Yes.... :heart: I was so young, but I remember every detail of this interview. :wub: Though Oprah (:puke:), this interview was great. He was sooooo beautiful (as always). :girl_in_love: *big sigh*

8701girl

15-11-2010, 11:21 AM

Oh, o.k. I didn't know what he said, but I have to admit he looked pretty dog gone cute sayin' it.

Hey, remember when Oprah asked MJ if he ever looks in the mirror and says, "Hmmm, I look pretty cute today." and MJ goes to answer her and then he suddenly pauses as if it just hits him what she said and he repeats, "Pretty cute today" and laughs. That was funny.:D

LOL he was like thinking thats what she said..whoops

8701girl

15-11-2010, 11:24 AM

:hug:

Yes, me too. I do not know as I still have tears to cry. :( *big sigh*

I think we all will have tears to cry for the rest of our lives :(

Lainy

15-11-2010, 03:16 PM

Hi, Lainy! It's always nice to see newbies! :wild: :D
Thanks! Well, I'm not so newbies like that I just changed my username :lol:

I think we all will have tears to cry for the rest of our lives :(

Man what is this? :bugeyed
Were all throwing popcorn at each other and at Michael and now tears in eyes (?) I cannot believe. We have to start a new popcorn war. :tease:

tha

15-11-2010, 03:26 PM

I think we all will have tears to cry for the rest of our lives :(

Yeah ... sometimes I think the same, but today ... I dont know why, but today my heart is calm and my hope is renewed ! I think it has something to do with "Hold My Hand" !

Ash and Lainy, I want the Brazil's flag in my nickname too !!! What do I do ?

Kisses !

AllForMJ

15-11-2010, 07:27 PM

Thanks! Well, I'm not so newbies like that I just changed my username :lol:
Ooooooohhhhh I seeeeeeeeee. :lol: :blink: :lol:

Well, to the newbies newbies that are here! Hi, you guys!! *waving*

Ashtanga, can you tell me what in thee HECK MJ is saying in this gif - I can't hear anything he is saying. All I know is that I am so sick it makes me feel like throwing some popcorn dead in his FACE! Please don't be offended by that anyone. MJ woulda liked that sorta thing. It woulda really got him goin'. He liked that sorta thing. He woulda just thrown some back in my face, too! This is how strange people show affection to one another.
Hey MP, in this video that you're asking Ashtanga about, Cedric the Entertainer had asked MJ about Bubbles. He wanted to know where he was. MJ cracked a joke that made the audience laugh!

:lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDV0U8qQeo

Don't want to spoil it for you by telling you what he said. You gotta watch the whole video to see, okayyy?

:giggle:

8701girl

15-11-2010, 11:32 PM

Man what is this? :bugeyed
Were all throwing popcorn at each other and at Michael and now tears in eyes (?) I cannot believe. We have to start a new popcorn war. :tease:

Aww were sorry , we will be happy now :) :bounce: :popcorn:

8701girl

15-11-2010, 11:34 PM

Yeah ... sometimes I think the same, but today ... I dont know why, but today my heart is calm and my hope is renewed ! I think it has something to do with "Hold My Hand" !
!

Yes hold my hand has got everyone excited

8701girl

15-11-2010, 11:43 PM

Hey MP, in this video that you're asking Ashtanga about, Cedric the Entertainer had asked MJ about Bubbles. He wanted to know where he was. MJ cracked a joke that made the audience laugh!

:lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDV0U8qQeo

Don't want to spoil it for you by telling you what he said. You gotta watch the whole video to see, okayyy?

:giggle:

hahah i remember that

MysteriousPhoenix

16-11-2010, 12:00 AM

Ooooooohhhhh I seeeeeeeeee. :lol: :blink: :lol:

Well, to the newbies newbies that are here! Hi, you guys!! *waving*

Hey MP, in this video that you're asking Ashtanga about, Cedric the Entertainer had asked MJ about Bubbles. He wanted to know where he was. MJ cracked a joke that made the audience laugh!

:lol: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDV0U8qQeo

Don't want to spoil it for you by telling you what he said. You gotta watch the whole video to see, okayyy?

:giggle:

Aha. O.k. He seemed a little nervous to me during that show. I also noticed his voice changed a little when he probably thought he was off camera and he was repeating what Cedric said. He came out of that light, whispery kinda voice. It was kinda baritone - his real voice. Musta been caught off guard! That to me was actually the funnier part. I love that sorta thing! lol!

Ape

16-11-2010, 04:56 PM

Lainy

16-11-2010, 10:25 PM

I'm in perfect agreement Ape the idea was great and seems very meaningful to me too but Michael is so stunning and sexy in One More Chance video that I can't get no thinking what really means. :ph34r:

xthunderx2

16-11-2010, 10:35 PM

I think we all will have tears to cry for the rest of our lives :(
me too..:boohoo:

8701girl

16-11-2010, 10:51 PM

me too..:boohoo:

:hug:

Ashtanga

16-11-2010, 11:59 PM

I wanted to reply to what summer mentioned about the one more chance video. I got to see a snippet of it and loved the idea. He has the fans in his place and he is in theirs. They are on stage while he dances alone. Kind of looks like he is waiting for her to show up for a romantic dinner. They see him dancing and performing, but he continues on as if they aren't even there it seems. Anyways, I can't explain very well what I saw in it and it's meaning but it seemed very meaningful to me. I have to watch it again I think to remember just what it made me think of.

Ape... >>> :hiya:

One more chance.... :girl_sigh: I'm really anxious to see the video. Michael is so beautiful (as always on all occasions). :girl_in_love: Oh Michael.... :cry:

Now, trying to unveil the codes of Michael :fortuneteller:, I let everyone here of "dark love". :shifty: I'm really not good to unveil the codes/mysteries of Mr. MJ. :doh:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

LindaC781

17-11-2010, 12:15 AM

OMG!! Here they are, Ashtanga, AllForMJ, Summer...etc all having a popcorn fight!!

http://image30.webshots.com/30/0/83/87/251208387DkOgHz_ph.jpg

Ashtanga

17-11-2010, 12:21 AM

OMG!! Here they are, Ashtanga, AllForMJ, Summer...etc all having a popcorn fight!!

http://image30.webshots.com/30/0/83/87/251208387DkOgHz_ph.jpg
LOL :D

Lindaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :wild: :dance: :hi:

Good to see you here. I hope you do not disappear of "dark love"! :cheeky:

We will always be here. :shifty: "Dark Love" is our sanctuary. :heart: :wub:

Sdeidjs

17-11-2010, 02:01 AM

8701girl

17-11-2010, 11:12 AM

OMG!! Here they are, Ashtanga, AllForMJ, Summer...etc all having a popcorn fight!!

http://image30.webshots.com/30/0/83/87/251208387DkOgHz_ph.jpg

:popcorn: :popcorn: :lol:

8701girl

17-11-2010, 11:14 AM

One more chance.... :girl_sigh: I'm really anxious to see the video. Michael is so beautiful (as always on all occasions). :girl_in_love: Oh Michael.... :cry:

I saw the OMC video and it is so HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! :wild:

LindaC781

17-11-2010, 12:14 PM

Justus

17-11-2010, 03:24 PM

OMG!! Here they are, Ashtanga, AllForMJ, Summer...etc all having a popcorn fight!!

http://image30.webshots.com/30/0/83/87/251208387DkOgHz_ph.jpg

Ohhhh nooooooo! NOT another popcorn fight! You guys are WAAAAY too tempting for me.

;) Hello again

Ashtanga

17-11-2010, 04:23 PM

I saw the OMC video and it is so HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! :wild:

I watched yesterday!!! :wild: http://www.hornedhalo.org/images/kermit.gif

Soooooooooo beautiful!!! :heart: :girl_in_love:

Yep...they seem to be having fun with the fight there...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/57448935.jpg

And here I am...trying to clean up the mess...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/2120028470060774947UPpJvO_fs.jpg

:lol:

More mess and more popcorn!!! :wild: :punk:

:D

Ohhhh nooooooo! NOT another popcorn fight! You guys are WAAAAY too tempting for me.
Yes.... :cheeky:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

;) Hello again

:hiya:

Hey... >>> :give_heart: :hug:

You're back! :wild: :punk: :dance: Happy to see you here again! :cheeky:

LindaC781

17-11-2010, 04:56 PM

I'm like "OMG!! WHAT A FREAKING MESS!"....for crying out loud ladies....cool it!!

Lainy

17-11-2010, 08:10 PM

Yep...they seem to be having fun with the fight there...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/57448935.jpg

And here I am...trying to clean up the mess...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/2120028470060774947UPpJvO_fs.jpg

:lol:

Ohhhh nooooooo! NOT another popcorn fight! You guys are WAAAAY too tempting for me.

;) Hello again

Hey Linda and Justus, nice to see you here again :hiya::D

EDIT:
I saw the OMC video and it is so HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! :wild:
Yeah :wild: I got to see a snippet and :in_love:

AllForMJ

17-11-2010, 08:14 PM

WOW!!! Should we use a broom, vacuum cleaner or a street sweeper for all of that POPCORN?!!

:lol:

LindaC781

17-11-2010, 10:15 PM

WOW!!! Should we use a broom, vacuum cleaner or a street sweeper for all of that POPCORN?!!

:lol:

We need either an ORECK or a DYSON for this mess. Can't trust it to them Swiffer thingies...

wendijane

17-11-2010, 10:57 PM

:wild:*throws more!:giggle:

MysteriousPhoenix

17-11-2010, 11:50 PM

Ashtanga

18-11-2010, 12:09 AM

MysteriousPhoenix

18-11-2010, 12:24 AM

Ohhhh nooooooo! NOT another popcorn fight! You guys are WAAAAY too tempting for me.

;) Hello again

That's what you told us the LAST time.;)

8701girl

18-11-2010, 12:41 AM

I watched yesterday!!! :wild: http://www.hornedhalo.org/images/kermit.gif

Soooooooooo beautiful!!! :heart: :girl_in_love:

ARRGHHHH KERMITS BACK! :lol:

yes it is beautiful

8701girl

18-11-2010, 12:43 AM

[QUOTE=Lainy;3085065

EDIT:
Yeah :wild: I got to see a snippet and :in_love:[/QUOTE]

Yep i was :inlove: after seeing that video hehe

AllForMJ

18-11-2010, 07:52 PM

Favoritetune

18-11-2010, 09:11 PM

You ladies throwing popcorn everywhere are too funny!

Nice posts!

Ashtanga

18-11-2010, 09:21 PM

You ladies throwing popcorn everywhere are too funny!

Nice posts!

:D

Popcorn fight!!!

http://popcornboxes.net/wp-content/uploads/popcorn-bags.jpg http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif :shifty:

Happy to see you here. :give_heart: :hug:

Favoritetune

18-11-2010, 11:14 PM

Don't drag me into the fight or I'll eat all of your popcorn with MJ! Put a little cheddar on there and then whatcha gonna throw???

Ashtanga

18-11-2010, 11:37 PM

Don't drag me into the fight or I'll eat all of your popcorn with MJ! Put a little cheddar on there and then whatcha gonna throw???

:lol:

Cheddar is a good idea. :hungry:

Hmmmmmmm I do not know if Michael will want to share his popcorn. :scratch:

Look:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

It seems that he will eat everything alone. LOL Eat or a war of popcorn? :scratch:

Now, eat popcorn!!!! :D

:shifty:

Just a little humor here... :blush:

Favoritetune

18-11-2010, 11:40 PM

I almost failed to give you props on all of your posts. Stop waiting so long though!

Hi, Lainy! It's always nice to see newbies! :wild: :D

Not gonna stone you, Ashtanga!! LOL!

The song "Breaking News" has a line in it that says, "He wanna write my obituary" before it goes into the part that says, "No matter what, you just wanna read it again. No matter what, you just wanna feed it again."

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/new-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news

MJ would not say that to his fans. He knew his fans would never refer to him as the boogie man or want to read an obituary because his fans care about him.

"Breaking News" also has a line that says "They want to see that I fall 'cause I'm Michael Jackson." He would not say that to his fans either because he knew that his fans only wished him well, and that they wanted him only to raise. They did not want him to fall.

Although he did fall, he did not do the type of fall that his foes wanted. God instead had something wonderful happen to MJ. He instead had MJ fall in love and boosted his spirits before their very eyes, and MJ is breaking the news. He's doing it with the chorus. See?

Why is it strange that I would fall in love?
Who is that boogie man you're thinkin' of?
Oh am I crazy 'cause I'm just in love?
This is breaking news
This is breaking news

Falling in love took away most of MJ's pain so he could bounce back. Notice that he said, "Just when you thought he was done he comes to give it again" and that he also centered his chorus around him being in love. He was feeling joy. He didn't display this type of joy on his Invincible CD. He cried in agony on it.

Over the years, there was always a certain way that he would act when he had special feelings for someone. It would show up in his music just like it was doing starting from 2003. That's why I created this thread to point it out.

Don't forget, this discussion began in 2008. "Breaking News" has surfaced in 2010 and there was no way to even know that MJ was working on this song in 2007. Yet, here it is confirming the discussion. lol

So now there is "Beautiful Girl" released in 2004 where he is saying, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you?" And also "This Is It" where he is saying "We can feel this is real. Every time I'm in love that I feel."

MJ was sprung. He was head over hills in love all the way up to 2009. And with another song he said his love for her is "For All Time."

God did not allow MJ to leave this earth without that feeling. He was singing about it.

:yes:

By the way, here's some popcorn to tie you over until you figure out how to jump into that video and get MJ's. LOL Here's some for you too, 8701girl!

8701girl-----> :popcorn:

MysteriousPhoenix-----> :popcorn:

:lol:

8701girl

19-11-2010, 04:44 AM

Don't drag me into the fight or I'll eat all of your popcorn with MJ! Put a little cheddar on there and then whatcha gonna throw???

Cheddar cheese with popcorn....ewww lol

wendijane

19-11-2010, 08:58 AM

*throws cheese and popcorn everywhere* :wild:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh popcorn war !!weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:wild:

8701girl

19-11-2010, 10:19 AM

*throws cheese and popcorn everywhere* :wild:ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh popcorn war !!weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:wild:

*throws chocolate everywhere* ... just thought id had more flava in the mix :P

wendijane

19-11-2010, 08:52 PM

:punk:*throws popcornnnn, choclaaaate,cheeeeeeeeeeeeese and mushy pea's! all over, everywhere, at everybody!!!yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:wild:weeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhee!!:wild:

Ape

19-11-2010, 10:12 PM

*Stands in the center with mouth open waiting for my airborne snack*

Ashtanga

19-11-2010, 10:18 PM

http://www.chocolate.com/dimages/product_images/3504-chocolate-covered-caramel-popcorn_290x290.jpg

:hungry:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

8701girl

20-11-2010, 04:26 AM

http://www.chocolate.com/dimages/product_images/3504-chocolate-covered-caramel-popcorn_290x290.jpg

:hungry:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

Very yummyyyyy

Favoritetune

20-11-2010, 11:50 PM

Warns Ape there are mushy peas flying around while sneaking out the door with MJ, cheddar popcorn and chocolate. Continues collecting airborn popcorn and choclolate while exiting. Avoids all peas!

Ashtanga

20-11-2010, 11:52 PM

Warns Ape there are mushy peas flying around while sneaking out the door with MJ, cheddar popcorn and chocolate. Continues collecting airborn popcorn and choclolate while exiting. Avoids all peas!
:girl_sigh:

:shifty:

Favoritetune

21-11-2010, 12:03 AM

Hey Ash,

What do you think of the one more chance video clip?

It's quite a switch having him as an audience of one and lots of people on a stage don't you think?

Has anyone seen more of the video? I saw of photo of him shaking someones hand but I didn't see it in the footage.

O yes, thanks for all the goodies. They were DELICIOUS! Please continue with your popcorn fights:D

Ashtanga

21-11-2010, 01:27 AM

Hey Ash,

What do you think of the one more chance video clip?
Hmmmmm :shifty:

I love the video. :wub: Those people in the audience as well, for me, could be representing the fans. (?) :thinking: I think it is. The video is not romantic, so I think that Michael had in mind another concept for the video.

About the letter of the song.... is about love (search), give it another chance to love, find someone... :thinking: Ok.... I'm really not good to decipher them. LOL :doh:

BUT I'll think more carefully about the video (and song too). :shifty: :heart:

It's quite a switch having him as an audience of one and lots of people on a stage don't you think?

Has anyone seen more of the video? I saw of photo of him shaking someones hand but I didn't see it in the footage.
:yes:

I saw this on video.

O yes, thanks for all the goodies. They were DELICIOUS! Please continue with your popcorn fights:D
:D

Sure! :hungry:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

8701girl

21-11-2010, 01:28 AM

Yes i have seen the video and its a nice sweet video.

And yes it takes a bit of getting used to seeing mj as the "audience" and the ppl up on that stage, but it was a nice change 2 see.

I think mj was more relaxed in that way

8701girl

21-11-2010, 01:31 AM

Hmmmmm :shifty:

I love the video. :wub: Those people in the audience as well, for me, could be representing the fans. (?) :thinking: I think it is.

Thats what i thought too and could it be maybe michael was asking us for the "one more chance" ?

I know it sounds strange but maybe michael thought he let us down with the ish through the yrs. Im not being negative towards michael at all but i was just trying to think of another meaning for that song .

Lisha

21-11-2010, 05:57 AM

What do you think of the one more chance video clip?

It's quite a switch having him as an audience of one and lots of people on a stage don't you think?

Has anyone seen more of the video? I saw of photo of him shaking someones hand but I didn't see it in the footage.

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.
This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

Oh, and here's a fresh batch for ya all:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4645/popcd.jpg

and I guess I should include some of these to toss:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9597/mpeas.png

:puke: :*****:

8701girl

21-11-2010, 10:23 AM

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.

This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

Oh, and here's a fresh batch for ya all:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4645/popcd.jpg

and I guess I should include some of these to toss:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9597/mpeas.png

:puke::*****:

your right that girl is always shown in that video, shes everywhere u look! LOL

Could it be she had a crush on him and wanted to have michaels attention?

Or maybe michael knew how she felt but wanted to have fun & like u said playing hard to get.

LindaC781

21-11-2010, 02:43 PM

I was in NYC yesterday all day. We had to get picked up near the New York Palace hotel....and I remember the last time we did that...MJ was staying there. God, it still hurts knowing he's gone.

My question - AllForMJ - what is your take on the new music? Any lyrics published yet?

summer

21-11-2010, 08:24 PM

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.

This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

Oh, and here's a fresh batch for ya all:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4645/popcd.jpg

and I guess I should include some of these to toss:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9597/mpeas.png

:puke::*****:

Nice! :clapping:I doubt that the video was meant to be the way we saw it. I mean, just MJ dancing in front of fans on stage...filmed from behind? And the video not having ANY kind of "story"? Don't think so. I mean, sure, anything is possible, but I find it hard to believe MJ woul have been satisfied with something like that. :scratch:That is why I think that the footage we saw was just part of the plan for the video. I can only speculate though. I can only try to guess how the video could have been...and here is my take on it....You know, maybe they meant to add shots in between the "audience shots". Sort of "You Are Not Alone" style....That we get shots of MJ with some girl or MJ seeing and somehow interacting with some girl in the beginning...but loses trace of her or they get separated somehow...then he is singing in the club/restaurant...The girl "happens" to be in the audience...MJ is looking for her...sees her...we get face shots of MJ and the girl....and then it ends by them having found each other and leaving together...Or not. :mello: :lol: :lol: That way the video would make more sense if you got "in between" shots that were adding/telling a story. But WHO KNOWS.....:scratch::lol: Anyways, that's how I would have made the video. :lol: :lol:

Ashtanga

21-11-2010, 10:11 PM

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.
This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

:o :o :o

:fear:

Shila... Just WOW to your post! :wild: It would make a good fan fic. Sure... :yes:

So... I'm just watching... http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

8701girl

21-11-2010, 11:26 PM

Nice! :clapping:I doubt that the video was meant to be the way we saw it. I mean, just MJ dancing in front of fans on stage...filmed from behind? And the video not having ANY kind of "story"? Don't think so. I mean, sure, anything is possible, but I find it hard to believe MJ woul have been satisfied with something like that. :scratch:That is why I think that the footage we saw was just part of the plan for the video. I can only speculate though. I can only try to guess how the video could have been...and here is my take on it....You know, maybe they meant to add shots in between the "audience shots". Sort of "You Are Not Alone" style....That we get shots of MJ with some girl or MJ seeing and somehow interacting with some girl in the beginning...but loses trace of her or they get separated somehow...then he is singing in the club/restaurant...The girl "happens" to be in the audience...MJ is looking for her...sees her...we get face shots of MJ and the girl....and then it ends by them having found each other and leaving together...Or not. :mello: :lol: :lol: That way the video would make more sense if you got "in between" shots that were adding/telling a story. But WHO KNOWS.....:scratch::lol: Anyways, that's how I would have made the video. :lol: :lol:

Thats sounds plausible :D

hey when it comes 2 mj anything can happen.

Favoritetune

22-11-2010, 01:23 AM

You put peas with the popcorn? Mushy peas?!?

I think I'm gonna be sick.

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.
This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

Oh, and here's a fresh batch for ya all:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4645/popcd.jpg

and I guess I should include some of these to toss:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9597/mpeas.png

:puke: :*****:

8701girl

22-11-2010, 01:28 AM

You put peas with the popcorn? Mushy peas?!?

I think I'm gonna be sick.

I think im gonna be sick too lol

MysteriousPhoenix

22-11-2010, 01:35 AM

Mushy peas??? Isn't that what they used in The Exorcist? :mello:

8701girl

22-11-2010, 01:38 AM

Mushy peas??? Isn't that what they used in The Exorcist? :mello:

Yes i think so.....:puke:

MysteriousPhoenix

22-11-2010, 01:50 AM

I'll bite.

I'll give ya all something to think about and start a little trouble...haha.

Remember your story idea, summer? Well, I found your brunette.
This gal is in more frames in this video than anyone, maybe even MJ lol. I mean, WHO does she know? Or is there another reason for it? Dun dun dun.

Here she is, with the shorter hair style, after walking up to the edge of the stage at the beginning...at this point she is at the right of this couple, who is also seen a whole lot.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7743/omc3.png

Here's a better shot of her by that frequently shown couple.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4440/omc5.png

During the words, "Hold on" she happens to be centered in the shot. And in the shot below it is during the line, "If you see her."
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7686/omc7.png

And during the line "The one that is gonna make me hold/whole/will/feel," the shot starts with her then pans over the vid's ever popular couple. That happens twice. Go see what I mean.

Remember she began at the right of the couple, but at some point she ends up on the other side of them. First I thought the shot was reversed, but the girlfriend still remains on the same side of her boo, so yeah...did our gal get that specific direction?
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/3050/omc10.png

I wonder why? Interesting how in the description on mj.com it says that "Michael Jackson approved this cut ." Would this whole video be considered a cut? Whatsa cut? Was he responsible way back in that one Oct. 2003 for having this girl (in a subtle way?) so showcased? For what purpose? What's it communicatin'?

I also noticed when MJ is going along beneath the stage reaching up and touching all the held out hands in the audience, that after doing the length of it, he reverses and goes backwards and touches hands again until he is center stage...and guess who is center stage and gets the last hand touch? (Although when he gets to her, he is already facing the other way and beginning his walk back to the tables. Hmm...is he playing hard to get for her there?
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9528/omc9.png

She takes it okay, though, for the next part the whole audience starts to get really into it, and if you can spot her, you can see she starts displaying some of her moves...she becomes quite effervescent. You know, when I think about it, this might have been in her mind "her big chance"...and here she's waited seven long years to be noticed in this video...and I'm here to help this girl get SEEN! I want her to get that movie deal! :lol:

Now here's something that could mean something...the very last frame at the end of the vid, she is right there in the very coveted spot...the middle.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1827/omc11.png

Now tell me I've got you all back viewing One More Chance once again, and this time looking for this chick!

Is this all about some Hidden Message? Or was not one girl singled out... but the audience is simply representative of the fans? I like that. I like it when the fans are given that kind of special attention by MJ. :wub: But still...Check It Out.

She has DEFINITELY got to be ... "The Chosen One"! I'm glad he finally found love in his later years. (Make a pretty cute couple actually!)

8701girl

22-11-2010, 01:55 AM

yes they make a good couple :)

Ashtanga

22-11-2010, 01:58 AM

You put peas with the popcorn? Mushy peas?!?

I think I'm gonna be sick.

Mushy peas??? Isn't that what they used in The Exorcist? :mello:

Hey, I like peas. :yes: :D BUT not combines with popcorn. :puke:

And the movie "The Exorcist"... Regan MacNeil (Linda Blair)... :bugeyed I have fear this movie until today. :fear:

The best combination is... popcorn and MJ... >>> http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif :girl_in_love:

:shifty:

MysteriousPhoenix

22-11-2010, 02:21 AM

Lisha

22-11-2010, 03:01 AM

You put peas with the popcorn? Mushy peas?!?

I think I'm gonna be sick.My word...I really got you bent out of shape...leading off your post with an angry face and all "http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif". Didn't mean to step on any one's toes with those delectable, flavorful, melt(and ooze) in your mouth MUSHY PEAS! Look, Ape was all fine with it...she had no prob standing amongst us with an open willing mouth, mushy peas and all. Be a trooper, FT, ya big :baby: !

Mushy peas??? Isn't that what they used in The Exorcist? :mello:Now doesn't that just conjure up the nicest image. MP!!! Can we please have MJ be the only one causing heads to turn around here? Thank you very much.

Nice! :clapping:I doubt that the video was meant to be the way we saw it. I mean, just MJ dancing in front of fans on stage...filmed from behind? And the video not having ANY kind of "story"? Don't think so. I mean, sure, anything is possible, but I find it hard to believe MJ woul have been satisfied with something like that. :scratch:That is why I think that the footage we saw was just part of the plan for the video. I can only speculate though. I can only try to guess how the video could have been...and here is my take on it....You know, maybe they meant to add shots in between the "audience shots". Sort of "You Are Not Alone" style....That we get shots of MJ with some girl or MJ seeing and somehow interacting with some girl in the beginning...but loses trace of her or they get separated somehow...then he is singing in the club/restaurant...The girl "happens" to be in the audience...MJ is looking for her...sees her...we get face shots of MJ and the girl....and then it ends by them having found each other and leaving together...Or not. :mello: :lol: :lol: That way the video would make more sense if you got "in between" shots that were adding/telling a story. But WHO KNOWS.....:scratch::lol: Anyways, that's how I would have made the video. :lol: :lol: That's a pretty good way to arrange the video, summer, in order to include more of a story line. MJ missed out by not giving you a call now and then to get some vid ideas! His loss. :D (I guess you would have liked that a bit too, a phone call from da man!)Seriously, that could have been a nice idea for this video. You found a way to give it a beginning, a middle, and an end. Where in the beginning would you have shown them meeting? Would she realize she was late for something and then rushed off, disappearing in the crowd, leaving him alone with no name and number? Then when he gets to the filming she's there and that was what she was late for all along... the OMC filming? :o Move over, MJ, we're gonna write all this for ya. lol.

:o :o :o

:fear:

Shila... Just WOW to your post! :wild: It would make a good fan fic. Sure... :yes:

So... I'm just watching... http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

Yeah, I guess that is basically what I have been doing here...being creative as I go! That's what fan fictions are made of! :lol:

She has DEFINITELY got to be ... "The Chosen One"! I'm glad he finally found love in his later years. (Make a pretty cute couple actually!)Wow, I really didn't think anyone was going to agree with me that readily! lol. summer and Ash have got me settled into thinking it wasn't a believable theory at all...and here comes you...changin' it all up and getting me confused. :wild:

Most posts that I have come across here and over at MaxJax feel the concept is more about reversing things intentionally for a reason, so the fans are the ones on the stage and MJ becomes their audience. When you think about it, the fans were often times "the show" for him. Think about the footage we have seen when he is in the back seat of a car and looking out the darkened windows. He's observing the fans out there (as if "out there" is the stage) and he'd have fun pointing things out about them. Didn't he enjoy so much observing that one young man in Germany trying so hard to do a dance for MJ as MJ's car approached, but he was always stopped by the guards and whisked away? MJ loved to observe and watch. Consider when he came to the fan sites (because we know now he did), or even, to this thread. We, then, were the ones on stage entertaining him as he sat back in his seat in the audience and would watch (read) the show going on in here. I wonder if he ever wooted or hooted and applauded (no doubt he did when he saw himself in that "get up" before the fire on that rug!). *insert giggly smiley here* and *winks at Linda*

But I do like the idea that the OMC video could be more about his fans than a girl this time. Someone suggested the song could be meaning that he was hoping the fans would be the ones to give him one more chance (or the public in general). So, that would remove any romantical aspects.

This song, Best of Joy, the first time I read the lyrics I was struck on how much the words could represent how the fans so often feel about Michael. Look at some of the lyrics here:

I am your joy
Your best of joy
I am the moonlight
You are the spring, our love’s a sacred thing
You know I always will love you

I am forever
I am the one who came when you fell down
I was the only one around (the only one)
When things would hurt you

I am forever
Wasn’t it I who said that you were free?
When living seemed so hard to be
When things would hurt you ...

Now for all I know the song will include all kinds of adlibs with MJ saying things like "You and me, girl" and "I love you, girl!" and that will take care of that idea of this being a song for the fans. Haha. But aren't there so many fans out there that felt like Michael was the only one around when they were hurting? I have always gotten the impression that for many fans he has been like a very cherished imaginary friend, who they can always talk to and cry with. Sometimes I have pictured Michael a long time ago saying a prayer to God asking Him to allow him to be there for the lonely and hurting...that he could be a comforting presence somehow for them when they are sad and feel like they have no one else. Imagine all the letters MJ had received throughout his career with fans telling him how much his music has been there for them when they were going through something. Time and time again, I should think...letter after letter.

Do you guys think Best of Joy is to the fans...or do you think it is maybe for his LITD girl?

MysteriousPhoenix

22-11-2010, 03:29 AM

...and here comes you...changin' it all up and getting me confused. :wild:

Haha! This sounds like a line that could come straight from one of MJ's love songs.

This song, Best of Joy, the first time I read the lyrics I was struck on how much the words could represent how the fans so often feel about Michael. Look at some of the lyrics here:

I am your joy
Your best of joy
I am the moonlight
You are the spring, our love’s a sacred thing
You know I always will love you

I am forever
I am the one who came when you fell down
I was the only one around (the only one)
When things would hurt you

I am forever
Wasn’t it I who said that you were free?
When living seemed so hard to be
When things would hurt you ...

Now for all I know the song will include all kinds of adlibs with MJ saying things like "You and me, girl" and "I love you, girl!" and that will take care of that idea of this being a song for the fans. Haha. But aren't there so many fans out there that felt like Michael was the only one around when they were hurting? I have always gotten the impression that for many fans he has been like a very cherished imaginary friend, who they can always talk to and cry with. Sometimes I have pictured Michael a long time ago saying a prayer to God asking Him to allow him to be there for the lonely and hurting...that he could be a comforting presence somehow for them when they are sad and feel like they have no one else. Imagine all the letters MJ had received throughout his career with fans telling him how much his music has been there for them when they were going through something. Time and time again, I should think...letter after letter.

Do you guys think Best of Joy is to the fans...or do you think it is maybe for his LITD girl?

Almost sounds like he is talking about a child here. But you're right, all our impressions will probably be shattered the moment he says, "I'm talkin' about you, girl! Heee Hoooo!" lol!

*MP goes back to eat her mushy peas*

Edit:
Hey, just thought of something, I should change my user name to "Mushy Peas" and then you guys can still call me MP! Haha!

Ashtanga

22-11-2010, 03:37 AM

Yeah, I guess that is basically what I have been doing here...being creative as I go! That's what fan fictions are made of! :lol:
:lol:

Wow, I really didn't think anyone was going to agree with me that readily! lol. summer and Ash have got me settled into thinking it wasn't a believable theory at all...and here comes you...changin' it all up and getting me confused. :wild:
:shifty:

I am your joy
Your best of joy
I am the moonlight
You are the spring, our love’s a sacred thing
You know I always will love you

I am forever
I am the one who came when you fell down
I was the only one around (the only one)
When things would hurt you

I am forever
Wasn’t it I who said that you were free?
When living seemed so hard to be
When things would hurt you ...
Sooooooooooooo beautiful!!!! :girl_sigh: And Michael is my joy. :girl_in_love:

I do not remember, but does anyone know what year is this song? :scratch:

Well, I'd love to hear it... :wub: will this song will leak at some moment? :wild: I hope... :shifty:

Do you guys think Best of Joy is to the fans...or do you think it is maybe for his LITD girl?

:fortuneteller:

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

Lisha

22-11-2010, 03:58 AM

...and here comes you...changin' it all up and getting me confused. :wild:Haha! This sounds like a line that could come straight from one of MJ's love songs.
:bugeyed It kinda does! Maybe I should write my own love song and put that line in there!

Edit:
Hey, just thought of something, I should change my user name to "Mushy Peas" and then you guys can still call me MP! Haha!

Let's have a poll!

Which usename best suits ya?

1. MysteriousPhoenix (MP)

2. MysteriousPrincess (MP)

3. MushyPeas (MP)

*thinks* :timer:

:scratch: Now that's a hard one. lol.

8701girl

22-11-2010, 10:38 AM

Hey, I like peas. :yes: :D BUT not combines with popcorn. :puke:

And the movie "The Exorcist"... Regan MacNeil (Linda Blair)... :bugeyed I have fear this movie until today. :fear:

The best combination is... popcorn and MJ... >>> http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif :girl_in_love:

:shifty:

I was scared of the exorist movie when i was lil but not anymore lol

Lisha

22-11-2010, 05:59 PM

Is it just me, or does OMC in the vid sound different from from the one that came out in '03?:scratch: I feel the same way about this new version of HMH. Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison? Oh, well, I guess it's probably just "studio magic."

O.o

I didn't catch this at first...my you're an amazing lady pickin' up on differences like that! I was so busy with the visuals, I didn't notice anything different going on in the song, OMC! But after having another couple listens...

I think YOU ARE right!

Although intrigued now, I do not have the time to listen any longer for I have a thousand things to do, as I am getting ready to go away for Thanksgiving. But I will eventually.

That MJ!!! I think I'll use that line again, for it fits now here:

...and here comes you [MJ]...changin' it all up and getting me confused.

So Imma thinkin' when they said "Michael Jackson approved this cut " maybe it means he was already planning this song to be put on a vid collection package back in 2009, prior June 25th, and altered the song for it to his liking, for the sole purpose of keeping us all on OUR TOES. The joker. :lol:

I do think I hear him do a little "know it all" sounding laugh after the line, "And I would walk around this world to find her" which could mean ;) he is lettin' us all know he ALREADY had found her. Man, AllForMJ, you are gettin' confirmation after confirmation that you are so right, he did have love in 2009 before he left. :heart:

Now I wish I had Vision so I could hear this song well. My computer situation is that I can't watch a single video without it stopping and starting and being all chopped up, interrupted...it takes the patience of a saint...and I don't quite have that at times. Maddening.

So, MP, while I'm off doin' stuff, I hope you'll come and post some of the differences you've heard. I'll check back later. :D