Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued) [Archive] - Page 49 - The Michael Jackson Community

Lisha

29-03-2012, 06:08 PM

Hi again, Lorraine!!! (Ape, that wasn't meant fo you, I'm gonna stick with either Ape or Apers for you, with maybe an occasional "hey you" thrown in there) XP

Talking about all these names lately and what name is for who, and usernames that are used instead of real names, and all of that...well, it got me thinking about MJ and his dream girl.

I have just spent sometime looking for a post of Favoritetune's and the way FT worded something and I apologize for not being able to find it, and therefore probably getting his wording not perfect, but I believe he was saying something having to do with...

MJ having a dream girl who he prayed for to God and God made her for him.

Now that isn't the way I see how a Love so Divine would necessarily work, personally, but let's stay with this...it's been discussed before in here and it's a good theory.

So I'm staying with this idea that she starts off to MJ not being "real"... she's come to him either in a dream or in his head, but she is very real to him and he believes God can make her fo him. In other words, she's somewhere out there becoming the woman of his dreams, by God's hand.

It seems then she does not have a name yet....to MJ anyway. She's not a real person yet. He hasn't met her yet. So back to names...I am wondering if MJ assigned her a name. Or even if he eventually did see her or meet her, he used always a code name for her. He is very protective, and in the beginning lyrics we mentioned from SPYHO he says he never tries to talk about, he only thinks about it, because he knew no one would receive what he's sayin' (cause she's a dream girl) and sooo...he would protect her and his dream by always using a made up name for her, so no one would know what's really up.

You know, like in High School someone might have a crush on a movie star or a boy in school, and when you have a crush you think about them all the time, right? And it is too hard to resist writing that name all over your notenbook while in class. But if you write out the name of your hidden crush everywhere or anywhere, you're at risk at having the kids who sit next to you see, or even a sibling at a later time when maybe you toss your notebook on the kitchen counter...can't have that...you're not that big of a fool, so if you use a code name...you can write the name all you want, no one can figure out who you are talkng about and it's you're own little private joke. Do you know what I mean?

Could MJ have come up with his own code name for the secret love in his heart? Did he assign her a name of his choice? And if he ever said the name in whatever context, did people say, "Who are you talking about" and he'd say simply, "Oh someone..."

And Ash, btw, I did enjoy the film, Hugo. :) Thanks for asking. :)

Ashtanga

29-03-2012, 11:38 PM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

ASHTANGA...I think you're bringing a PARTY in here! :jump:

~ ~ Par-teh, Par-teh... Par-teh in the LITD thread!~ ~ :punk:

:holiday: *throws confetti* :holiday:

Yes!!!!!!!!! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a_7zLmjY35c/S3PU39QIZAI/AAAAAAAASTM/rNyBAVNRG-k/s320/confete.gif http://www.greensbeverages.com/images/party_animals1x15.gif :blushing:

Could MJ have come up with his own code name for the secret love in his heart? Did he assign her a name of his choice? And if he ever said the name in whatever context, did people say, "Who are you talking about" and he'd say simply, "Oh someone..."

Certainly he did this and spoke in code (which only he knew) with the other people... thousands of times. I once said here that after what I saw and heard after June 25, which I feel is that Michael never showed himself completely for others. -_- One part about himself and only he knew, no one else. I'm sure he did not share many things (very private) about yourself to others. It was only with him. It is a fact, people in this world NEVER talk all about itself to others. Why Michael would be different? :shifty:

So one can never say you know everything about someone, why you do not actually know... Something or many things remain hidden and only the person knows, nobody else. People never reveal everything about itself to others. One part has to remain very private. :fortuneteller: :shifty: Or not???? :thinking: Maybe I've said a lot of bullshit? :P :fear:

And Ash, btw, I did enjoy the film, Hugo. :) Thanks for asking. :)

:wild:

Me too! :D

AllForMJ

30-03-2012, 09:56 PM

Peek-a-boo, everybody!! LOL!!

I had a heck of a time trying to log back in, but the time period that I was unable to log in ended up being used for some stuff that was pretty unexpected. It all worked out though! Sooooo glad I had posted the things that God had revealed to me about Murray's trial before I had trouble logging back in. God is SO amazing as I will later show you all with what God pointed out pertaining to Murray's trial.

Any whooooo. Nice to see you guys again!
:)

qbee, thanks again for your help getting logged back in! *Muuuuuah*:flowers:

Thetruthbetold

30-03-2012, 10:10 PM

i'm still lost and still don't understand this thread i reading some comments i don't know if i am right but i see some MJ tea in this thread??? and all that popcorn looks good i will be back to bring you all some good old bake chicken mac N cheese etc

Lisha

30-03-2012, 11:10 PM

thetruthbetold...I think there is some MJ tea goin' on here. :)

Yay! AllForMJ! :clapping: So good to see you in here! And qbee...thanks for helping our fearless leader to be able to return to us!

I just wanted to clarify what I was meaning about why I was thinking 'A Love So Divine" might mean something other than MJ praying to God for a certain type of dream girl and then God because of the prayers started making "her" for MJ.

It's just that I believe that it could be more possible that if there are two people that are meant to be together in a divine way, then God before the beginning of time "wrote it in heaven" sort of speak, before either of the two were even born. You know the saying "A match made in heaven", somehting like that. God's word says He knew us before we are even born.

So I am thinking it isn't that MJ would have started asking God for her and God said, "Oh, okay, since you've asked so nicely...you've talked me into it, I'll put in your order and make her for you." haha. Instead, I believe, He already planned outside of time to give her to him and was waiting for MJ to pray "aligned with His will or purposes." In other words, MJ would be praying for the very thing God wants to give him anyway and always meant to. Sometimes God waits on the timing, but also waits to see if we will persevere and keep praying, and praying without giving up for something, in faith...so He can show us our faith level (He doesn't need to be shown it, He wnts ot show us...He already knows our faith level, at any given time).

This is how it works with our "desires of our hearts" because the Bible says God is the one who gives us the desires of hearts in the first place.

So no matter what the desire of the heart is, it works the same in the acting out of our faith through persistence in prayer. In MJ"s case, as we are discussing in here, it would be for "a love so divine" for someone else it may be something else totally different. If you have a desire in your heart about something, something that has real meaning to you, keep going to God about it and keep asking!

If God knows ahead of time the number of days we will be here on earth, and He knew that before we even breathed our first breath, than he would know before MJ and the LITD girl were born that He woud bring them together. He decided it, and destined it. It's written in heaven.

And we have hoped that God did in some way, on some level, bring them together, before MJ passed away.

~ now I can take that break, happily, and let AllForMJ direct her thread. :D I feel relief! Thank you, Lord!

Ape

30-03-2012, 11:17 PM

Yeah basically saying the same thing over a few times in different ways with another perspective. I can't see it being so much that God heard his prayers and whipped up a batch of woman for MJ, specific to his requests...lol. Time is what we get so caught up in here. It's hard to wrap my head around it once I get thinking about it though... ok phone is ringing, ill get back to this

SoS

01-04-2012, 02:35 AM

Regardless of who the baby was, to get back on track...

what I believe SoS's point was...is considering that Michael is one who would be thrilled about another baby to have and to love, once learning one was on its way, he would understandably walk around noticably happy. And SoS, I believe, was responding to the post of AllForMJ's that Favoritetune just reposted, where AllForMJ says this:

A coming-soon-baby, and after the arrival of said baby, might be another, or perhaps the only and true, reason MJ was seeming to glow in 2002.

Is that all you were trying to point out SoS?Its hardly a mystery. He even told Bashir he had a relationship with his baby's mother.

just saying...its fairly obvious why MJ was beaming in 2002

Ashtanga

01-04-2012, 02:45 AM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

:fortuneteller:

MysteriousPhoenix

01-04-2012, 07:29 PM

:wild: You mean AllForMJ and the rest of the old school gang are really starting to return? I should do more of calling those things that are not as though they were!

Speaking of God, I have to tell you that He sure knows what we need and how to make us feel better. And He has quite the sense of humor, too! As you all know, I have been waking up with certain tunes in my head, and some may have pertained to this thread. Well, one morning I woke up with a very strange tune in my head that I think was meant especially for me from God Himself to make me smile. Now, I may be dating myself here, but it was actually the theme song from The Mary Tyler Moore Show! As funny as it may seem, it really did make me feel better - so much so that I would like to dedicate it to all of you ladies here in this forum (including you lurkers) because I feel that you are all so very special (not that you guys in here aren't special, but you must understand that us women sure take a beating by society and it can really bruise our self-esteem). All you younger girls probably don't remember that show, but I'm sure you will still appreciate the tune. ( I just wish I could've done that cool hat toss she does at the end!)

So ...

Ladies of the LITD thread ... this one's for you!

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Lyrics:

Who can turn the world on with her smile?
Who can take a nothing day, and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile?
Well it's you girl, and you should know it
With each glance and every little movement you show it

Love is all around, no need to waste it
You can have a town, why don't you take it
You're gonna make it after all
You're gonna make it after all

How will you make it on your own?
This world is awfully big, girl this time you're all alone
But it's time you started living
It's time you let someone else do some giving

Love is all around, no need to waste it
You can have a town, why don't you take it
You're gonna make it after all
You're gonna make it after all

Favoritetune

02-04-2012, 12:44 AM

Okay, did I really see AllforMJ? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gotta go right now but I couldn't not show my excitement that you stopped in AllforMJ. Looking forward to reading your posts! im gonna write some soon ladies. Read some nice posts

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Love your peekaboo and waiting for a peek at your next post.

Peek-a-boo, everybody!! LOL!!

I had a heck of a time trying to log back in, but the time period that I was unable to log in ended up being used for some stuff that was pretty unexpected. It all worked out though! Sooooo glad I had posted the things that God had revealed to me about Murray's trial before I had trouble logging back in. God is SO amazing as I will later show you all with what God pointed out pertaining to Murray's trial.

Any whooooo. Nice to see you guys again!
:)"

qbee, thanks again for your help getting logged back in! *Muuuuuah*:flowers:

Hey Ape this was deep
"We sat and listened to the songs he’d recorded for Invincible. We still had to decide which would make the album and which would not. That night, I wanted to listen to “You Rock My World,” but Michael said, “Please, we are going to listen to that song all day tomorrow. Let’s not listen to it now.”

As we played various tracks that night, Michael said, “People will not understand this album right now. It’s ahead of its time. But trust me, Frank, ten years from now they will understand and the album will live on forever.”

Neither of us suspected that ten years later he wouldn’t be around to see if his prediction came true. But I believed in the timelessness of his music, believed that all of his albums—Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, Invincible —would live forever. I believed it then, and I believe it now. -Frank Cascio's book"

I find a lot of meaning in those words.

Lisha, There's a scripture that says God know what we have need of even before we ask but then it tells us to ask. I think when we pray for God's will then we get break throughs and when i say mj likely prayed for this girl i think God was working on her to be what He God wanted her to be and God already knew who HE intended to be in mjs life. I think what I was saying is that God is alsways fixing His people up to be what He created and its a constant work i think.

Wasn't feeling so well last time i stopped in but had to leave you ladies a hello and yes Ash 800 pages! That's quite a lot of good reading in here.

Stranger

03-04-2012, 07:07 AM

Hi everyone! I've always been confused with this thread! What is it about exactly? Are you all analysing MJ's lyrics? Well I will definitely have a read and try and find out!

I've decided I'm going to analyse MJ's songs and lyrics myself. I've posted the first one here:

It's a detailed analysis of Someone Put Your Hand Out-
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/122082-Someone-Put-Your-Hand-Out-an-analysis

I would love love love all of your opinions of the song too...you all seem very talented!

8701girl

03-04-2012, 12:24 PM

Oh boy i can see theres a lot of catching up to do on this thread but i think i will do it tomorrow as it is getting late here

Ape

03-04-2012, 04:02 PM

Hello everyone new and old from here :) .

Stranger, it is a little of everything in here. I'm off to read your thread soon.

I was curious if anyone had anything to say about the Michael Album cover.

(P.S. Can anyone tell me what my signature is from??? It's my little contest for everyone. First one to guess WINS a Fabulous prize of bragging rights and smug satisfaction ;) ) NO CHEATING with searching the web.. I want to see if anyone actually recognizes it.

MysteriousPhoenix

03-04-2012, 05:54 PM

i'm still lost and still don't understand this thread ...

Hi everyone! I've always been confused with this thread! What is it about exactly? Are you all analysing MJ's lyrics? ...

Basically, in a nutshell, it is a thread dedicated to investigating whether or not MJ may have possibly had a "love in the dark" by analyzing the lyrics in his love songs. The word "dark" basically means secret, although it could also be taken literally, as in the dark of night, according to some lyrics. Some say "dark" could also refer to the "dark" times in his life. The title of the thread was inspired by his song, "Someone in the Dark."

Ape, I had been wondering about your siggy. It does sound familiar, but I can't figure out where I have heard it before. I will not be able to cheat and search for it, so I guess I will lose! Funny, but at first I thought you were sending a message to your daughter who goes by the username, "bored" in reference to this thread! lol!

Ashtanga

03-04-2012, 11:25 PM

(P.S. Can anyone tell me what my signature is from??? It's my little contest for everyone. First one to guess WINS a Fabulous prize of bragging rights and smug satisfaction ;) ) NO CHEATING with searching the web.. I want to see if anyone actually recognizes it.

Ape, I had been wondering about your siggy. It does sound familiar, but I can't figure out where I have heard it before. I will not be able to cheat and search for it, so I guess I will lose!

:shifty:

Movie "Funny Girl":

http://cinevintage.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny_girl.jpg :P :fear:

8701girl

04-04-2012, 12:22 PM

[QUOTE=Ape;3618699

(P.S. Can anyone tell me what my signature is from??? It's my little contest for everyone. First one to guess WINS a Fabulous prize of bragging rights and smug satisfaction ;) ) NO CHEATING with searching the web.. I want to see if anyone actually recognizes it.[/QUOTE]

I dont even see your signature on here...

qbee

04-04-2012, 03:08 PM

I dont even see your signature on here...
Why not ? its typed underneath her post that you just quoted ? .. look again ;D

"It's not so boring. You'd be surprised how boring it isn't"

Lisha

04-04-2012, 07:12 PM

Lisha, There's a scripture that says God know what we have need of even before we ask but then it tells us to ask. I think when we pray for God's will then we get break throughs and when i say mj likely prayed for this girl i think God was working on her to be what He God wanted her to be and God already knew who HE intended to be in mjs life. I think what I was saying is that God is alsways fixing His people up to be what He created and its a constant work i think.

I think this is very well put. I think you are so right that it takes constant work for us to become the people we should be (reminds me of that line from the song, "Put your hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water....")

And how magnificiently special it would be, I should think, if the LITD girl(if she exists) learned one day that for years MJ was praying for her to become the woman of God she was always intended by God for her to be. That's powerful. It would show that MJ not only loved her for her personality and her heart, as the Lord showed him, but that he was also the lover of her soul. I hope she was the lover of his soul as well.

And MP, those lyrics really do have a good message for us all. :)

8701girl

05-04-2012, 12:40 PM

Why not ? its typed underneath her post that you just quoted ? .. look again ;D

Cant see it still...i think it my net connection as it playing up

lulubelle

05-04-2012, 06:36 PM

This thread always amazes me. PS Hi to Lisha! Thanks for mentioning my name! :) Hi to everyone else as well!

Ashtanga

05-04-2012, 10:35 PM

Hi to everyone else as well!

:ciao: :give_heart: :shifty:

Ape

06-04-2012, 07:53 AM

it says my post is too short but it seems pretty long to me!
UOTE=MysteriousPhoenix;3618739]Basically, in a nutshell, it is a thread dedicated to investigating whether or not MJ may have possibly had a "love in the dark" by analyzing the lyrics in his love songs. The word "dark" basically means secret, although it could also be taken literally, as in the dark of night, according to some lyrics. Some say "dark" could also refer to the "dark" times in his life. The title of the thread was inspired by his song, "Someone in the Dark."

Ape, I had been wondering about your siggy. It does sound familiar, but I can't figure out where I have heard it before. I will not be able to cheat and search for it, so I guess I will lose! Funny, but at first I thought you were sending a message to your daughter who goes by the username, "bored" in reference to this thread! lol![/QU

i cant see what im writing cause im on a tablet & it doesnt work as well as a comouter. i was trying to ddo the multi quote too but messed that up. ill try to say what i wanted to say. Mp its ok. you dont seem like the bragging type anyways so the bragging rights would be wasted ;) you do get some brownie points for coming up with what you had regarding my daughter thiugh. i hadnt even thought of that. Ashtanga wins!,!!!!! i happened to be watching funny girl one night, all impressed with Barbra Streisand and she said that line and i loved it. shes so cute in the movie. beautiful too. so ithought id us it as a signature.
OT=Ashtanga;3618887]:shifty:

Movie "Funny Girl":

http://cinevintage.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny_girl.jpg :P :fear:[/QUOTE]

I dont even see your signature on here...

Why not ? its typed underneath her post that you just quoted ? .. look again ;D

Ashtanga

06-04-2012, 11:22 PM

My dear friends..... :blushing: :heart:

http://www.mamarocks.com/BunnyChick.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7glb9R3sEbE/S7f-Aur3u7I/AAAAAAAAAHU/bdWnv7dCJN0/s1600/108099.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VNQFu6HrQ10/TZxknC-H6aI/AAAAAAAAHMg/BVSXxyadZtE/s400/EASTER%2Bwishes%2B%2B1924.jpg

I hope everyone has a blessed Easter :angel: :heart: and of course, that is also full of chocolates! :wild:

http://www.finamac.com.br/contentFiles/image/chocolate-candies-1336.jpg

http://www.ovosdepascoa.net.br/destaque_01.jpg

:hungry: :woohoo:

Ashtanga wins!,!!!!! i happened to be watching funny girl one night, all impressed with Barbra Streisand and she said that line and i loved it. shes so cute in the movie. beautiful too. so ithought id us it as a signature.

:woohoo:

I also love this movie. I have the dvd! :wild:

Lisha

07-04-2012, 01:09 AM

Ah, Ape! That's where that quote is from. Good one! :clapping:

Isn't this the height of nonchalance...
Furnacing a bed in restaurants
A little generousity never hurt
But.guess.who.is.gonna.be.dessert.

Haha. I used to love to sing all the songs from Funny Girl. I really like that film! Thanks for posting that poster pic, Ape; yes, Barbra looked so attractive throughout that movie. Such pretty skin, I remember thinking. My favorite song to sing from that is when she's on the roller skates...I'd rather be blue, and my fav part of the song to sing:

Will I be good, will I be bad...don't be a fool, you fool.
Our little flat, I'm turning back into a Sunday school
While you're away, I'm here to say, they'll be no iceman there
Singin the blues, I'm gonna use, nothing but Frigidaire!

(Yes, I was singing it while I was typing...haha)

Cute bunny on that Easter picture, Ash. Thanks for the nice Easter Wishes and Blessings! :hug:

I was thinking about the song, SPYHO, and actually there is a good discussion now going on about it in another thread, which is nice..go check it out all. I was thinking about that line "someone put your hand out" and also remember in here quite a few lyrics having been brought up about "holding my hand" or "Hold my Hand" and we know how much it meant to MJ, for he said it himself, when some girl he liked grabbed his hand to hold it. It was "magic." :)

And I was thinking about how, if the LITD girl (if she exists) was kinda cut out of the same cloth as MJ, sort of speak, how she, like him, would have known deep and sad loneliness. :( And probably the loneliness was around for many years. Maybe different things kept her busy, like different things kept MJ busy, but probably she kept coming back to the thought, "Is there really anyone in this world for me?"

Today a certain song kept coming into my head. it's one that touches me very deeply, and I had forgotten about it for years, for it is a song I knew of as a child. This Christmas I rewatched "Mr. Magoo's A Christmas Carol." I remember liking all the little songs from it, but this time listening to them this one stood out...and it came to visit me today, I'm All Alone in the World

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7qOFB4IXA8

This line,

A hand for each hand was planned for the world why don't my fingers reach.

He can't seem to get his fingers to reach far enough to find the hand that fits his. Kind of sounds like what maybe the song SPYHO could be partially saying.

And these lines,

Where is a voice to answer mine back? Where are two shoes that click to my clack? I'm all alone in the world. :(

Did MJ first, a long time ago, try calling out within his spirit to her, but heard no reply? Did she try calling out to him that way, too? But the connection wasn't strong enough yet? If so, they must have continued to feel so lonely. Each, all alone in the world.

I thought of another film that made me think of MJ and the LITD girl, and that is Wall-E. It made me wonder if MJ was loving her for awhile without her getting that he was.

There is a part in Wall-E where Eve, who he calls E---va, where she becomes sort of "shut down" like as a computer she'd put in some type of slumber mode. So this makes Wall-E worried, but he never leaves her side. And even though she is unresponsive, in a way he woos her, but she can't see. And he takes care of her, never leaving her side. She has no idea, she has been unaware of him, his love, and what he has done for her.

Later in the film, she stumbles on film footage that shows all he did for her and his devotion, and the revelation finally comes to Eve what love is, sacrificial love really, and how Wall-E has shown this kind of love towards her. Could the LITD girl have had her day of revelation as well?

Also, all Wall-E has wanted from the first time he saw her, was to hold her hand. Here's that holding the hand theme again. He tries but she would have nothing to do with it. When she watched the footage, see also comes to understand why he wanted to hold her hand. In the end, it is Wall-E who is not himself, a little mal-function took place, and he now is unaware of her. But she takes his hand... (some Wall-E videos)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HIwzZMqufg
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HIwzZMqufg)
She finally put her hand out. :)

Another video catching some highlights of their journey towards each other...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSiNMdvZzdc&feature=fvwrel

Maybe it was quite a journey for MJ and his LITD girl before she finally took his hand. And if she couldn't do it literally, well one way we can figuratively take another's hand is by praying for them. It's a start, anyway. :) Maybe she started there.

One day maybe somehow MJ's fingers reached hers and she'd be able to change the words (and MJ, too) to that song I find so touching,

I'm -not- alone in the world!

Ashtanga

07-04-2012, 01:12 AM

Cute bunny on that Easter picture, Ash. Thanks for the nice Easter Wishes and Blessings! :hug:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/Smileys/popos/bearhug.sml.gif :give_heart:

Magicgirl

08-04-2012, 09:24 PM

Thanks for the pictures. This chocolate Easter egg and sweets look so delicious!
aha, seems the tread is continueing. Some days ago I received some spam or scam love letter, it seems it was copied from some source in internet, translated into different languages by electronic translator and spread by a robot. It made me think if MJ ever wrote some love letters to his LITD girl except than in songs. Well, we should develop this thread, don't we?

MysteriousPhoenix

09-04-2012, 01:28 PM

Lisha

09-04-2012, 06:59 PM

AllForMJ? Are you out there still? :flowers:

It made me think if MJ ever wrote some love letters to his LITD girl except than in songs.Hi Magicgirl! (I smile whenever I see your username, for when I was really little I made up a fantasy world that existed in the clouds! The queen of this realm had a daughter that me and my sister named Magic Girl. There were many characters that we made up and we would play pretend all the time being the different characters of my made-up place...even if we were at the beach playing in the waves. I might be Magic Girl and she'd be some other character and we'd stay in character the whole day. Haha. Wherever we'd go. Seems silly now, but Sweet Nostalgia. :) Why did you name yourself Magicgirl?).

So, Magicgirl, regarding a love letter...It seems like it would have maybe been too much of a risk. Wouldn't be good if the wrong person got a hold of something like that...worse, the Tabloids got a hold of it. Probably keeping his "love speak" within his songs was a safer route. Can you fathom how careful MJ had to constantly be? What a strain on someone. I have always felt for him in regards to this.

MP!!! That was a great song choice. And it stays well with the whole "feeling one another" in a spiritual way idea. Which, while we are waitng for AllForMJ to post, I think I will take some time to talk about. It's this whole idea of they're having (MJ and his LITD girl, if she exists) a strong spiritual connection between each other.

~ This idea came up pretty early on in this thread, and to be honest, I had some major trouble with it. True, while in Rome do what the Romans are doing, could be said of me, for I have joined in all along with the discussion of these two individuals being able to sense and even "hear" each other, even though they are not exactly "in" each other's life. I had to agree the concept is totally romantic. And I cannot deny that several of his lyrics really do seem to be talking about this kind of thing going on. So I enjoy talking about it as a possibility even if the whole thing gave me personally a big pause.

The reason why I had such a big pause is because it was outside of my grid. I have not been able to support it as anything that God would actually do between two people. I cannot find an example of it in the Bible. And I had never heard of a personal account of it from anyone who I know is part of the family of God. In fact, if some "soulmate" of mine, if there was someone out there like that, tried to "talk with me" in the Spirit, and I started hearing some voice in my mind, I'd start "rebuking it!" or saying like Jesus did to Peter in the Bible, 'Get behind me Satan!" haha, because I would assume it couldn't be from God. Poor soulmate of mine, huh? haha, He'd have such a challenge! In other words, I'd be too closed to the concept to allow him access in that way, I should think.

So when this "theory" first came up, what over three years ago in this thread or something, I remember I asked God if it was something that He would do, to show me an example within His church body.

I had forgotten I had asked this. But, I just last week visited a prayer group at a church I had belonged to years ago. While I was sitting there amongst them, they were starting to pray for people in a particular country that God was given them a heart for, and the leader of the group told everyone to really try to listen in God's Spirit. He said if we would then the prayers would become one smooth continuous flow, from one prayer to another, as if one would hear what the other would say before they even pray it. And then he said, "You know it is possible to hear another "in the Spirit," not only through talking with audible words." And then he brought up an individual that I had been aware of through this church long ago who is extremely giftd in the prophetic.

This man's mother before she became pregnant was told she would never have a child for she was filled with cancer and she was going to die. But God showed her she would not die and would become pregnant and have a very special gifted boy that would be used by God in Prophetic ministry. And, of course, God did heal her completely and she had her son. And they had a tight bond always. She lived to in her 100's. But towards the end of her life, (we were told this part here by the prayer meeting's leader...) she came to be deaf and unable to talk. But she and her son God enabled to communicate with each other through the Spirit. Woah!

There was my example that I had needed way back when from God, but I had to wait for it. :)

MP has said in here before that because of Michael's unique situation and his strong faith in God where he could believe for the impossibe, that God could have decided to allow MJ to be able to spiritually connect with this girl MJ felt was his love so divine. MJ maybe could even have prayed to God, "if this is divine, then can you let me sense her, or see her with my spiritual eyes even though I don't know where she is and can't see her in the physical?" Maybe he asked God if MJ could "go be with her" at times, through his spirit.

The songs Speechless and You Are Not Alone really make me think of this as having happened with him. Look at some of the lyrics keeping this idea of a spiritual connection in mind:

Nothing's real, but all is possible if God is on my side

Though I'm with you I am far away and nothing is for real

When I'm with you I am in the light where I cannot be found
It's as though I am standing in the place called Hallowed Ground

^ The reason why these last two lines stand out to me is how they can tie in with these lyrics from YANA,

I can hear your prayers

Consider that when we pray to God we are entering His "throne room" in heaven, because when Jesus died on the cross, that which separated us from God and kept us from being able to intimately be "with Him", was removed, as figuratively illustrated through the curtain being torn in two that was separating the Holy of Holies, the inner room in the Temple, from access. But now, we can go boldly and freely to the throne room with our prayers, because Jesus made the way, and when we do, it is like we have entered the Holy of Holies, and therefore, when we pray we are on Holy Ground.

When we pray we may not "feel" in our spirits like we are entering Holy Ground, but if we are coming to God with a pure heart, we are.

So, if MJ could hear her prayers, like in YANA, he was being connected in the spirit with her while she was on Holy, or Hallowed, Ground. He joined her there. In the Spirit.

When their connection took place in this way it is like a rightside up triangle, with God at the top, and the two of them both connecting to God, while connecting also with each other. Can you picture that? Picture a triangle.

We have learned that when MJ worked with another song writer that he would often brief them on what he would like the subject matter to be within the lyrics. I think it is possible that he gave R. Kelly the premise for YANA as he having a sense and connection with a woman through the Spirit, even though she was far away and he could not be with her. I know it seems uncomfortable for us because YANA came about during his marriage to another woman, but there must have been such a strong pull for him towards the LITD girl, and since he felt this was happening due to the Divine, he believed it somehow could work out to be in line with what God was doing. He probably just kept handing it over to God, not fully understanding, but trusting.

So when did this spiritual connection begin? Some have felt it started not long after Someone in the Dark. Some think that Thriller era could be the starting point. Perhaps it was the Bad era, because lyrics in I Just Can't Stop Loving You, could point to two people hearing each other in the spirit. And now here I bring up YANA and 1995...or Speechless...2000, 2001? Obviously, it is hard to pin down. But it seems MJ had the kind of faith to believe if he had a Love So Divine that God could give him and that girl this special gift of communicating in and through God's Spirit.

I think I'm a believer now. I guess it really could be possible. What do you guys think? Do you have a grid for it?

Ashtanga

09-04-2012, 11:27 PM

MysteriousPhoenix

10-04-2012, 01:58 PM

I think I'm a believer now. I guess it really could be possible. What do you guys think? Do you have a grid for it?

California woman who survived 350-foot fall claims she used telepathy to alert husband

Updated: Monday, 09 Apr 2012, 10:40 AM CDT
Published : Monday, 09 Apr 2012, 11:40 AM CDT

A California woman who survived a 350-foot plunge down a mountain inside her pickup claims she used telepathy to alert her husband that she needed help.
Tracy Granger, 56, was rescued March 26 in the Angeles National Forest, a day after her 1999 white Ford Ranger plunged from the Angeles Forest Highway, hitting a snow-covered embankment some 350 feet below.
Granger, who was critically injured when authorities found her, told KTLA-TV that telepathy helped let her husband know she needed to be rescued.
"I sat down and I said out loud, 'Lee, I'm overdue,'" she told the station. "'Something has happened. Figure it out.'"
Click for more on this story from KTLA.com (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-car-off-angeles-crest-highway,0,1412338.story?track=rss)

EDIT: I do not know much about "telepathy." Just reporting a recent story I heard on CNN (it was today in fact). But you are right to use caution when dealing with the spirit realm since it can be very dangerous territory. I am still learning. The only biblical example I can find of two people communicating in the spirit realm is what I had posted a while back concerning Paul in the book of Acts having a vision of a man pleading for his help (this also kinda fits with what you wrote about being able to "hear prayers" in the song, YANA):

Acts 16:6-10
New Living Translation (NLT)

A Call from Macedonia

6 Next Paul and Silas traveled through the area of Phrygia and Galatia, because the Holy Spirit had prevented them from preaching the word in the province of Asia at that time. 7 Then coming to the borders of Mysia, they headed north for the province of Bithynia,[a (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#fen-NLT-27454a)] but again the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them to go there. 8 So instead, they went on through Mysia to the seaport of Troas.
9 That night Paul had a vision: A man from Macedonia in northern Greece was standing there, pleading with him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us!” 10 So we[b (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#fen-NLT-27457b)] decided to leave for Macedonia at once, having concluded that God was calling us to preach the Good News there.

BTW, Lisha, thanks so much for posting those previous videos. I really enjoyed them ... and they make me want to go out and rent those movies!

Lisha

11-04-2012, 07:23 PM

BTW, Lisha, thanks so much for posting those previous videos. I really enjoyed them ... and they make me want to go out and rent those movies!
I'm so glad you enjoyed them! They both are cute, huh? Wall-E is such an unexpected romance...who woulda thought?

I wanted to clear something up so I won't be misunderstood in this here...

i'm still lost and still don't understand this thread i reading some comments i don't know if i am right but i see some MJ tea in this thread??? and all that popcorn looks good i will be back to bring you all some good old bake chicken mac N cheese etc
thetruthbetold...I think there is some MJ tea goin' on here. :)

I must admit, I had no idea what the current meaning of "tea" is about. I am not a member at Lipstick Alley and don't go there, but yesterday some link led me there and I was in the Michael Jackson forum and ...well...I think I get what maybe Thetruthbetold is REALLY meaning about "tea" going on in here.

Here I thought Thetruthbetold was meaning 'some gals getting together and having some good conversation with each other and just enjoying each others' company'. I personally, offline, love going to tea and doing just that!

However...it seems to also have the meaning nowadays of sharing personal, juicy, and sensitive info and tidbits about a particular person. Do I have that right?

So, I would have to change my response to Thetruthbetold and say...

No, that is not what we have been trying to do in here about Michael. In fact several of us have taken turns to say right out to Michael in posts "if we are crossing the line and getting too much into your business please forgive us!" We don't wish to be intrusive. When we stick to the song lyrics we are safer in this area because we are discussing just what MJ had shared with everyone publically. Yet, we do have lots of commentary going on in here, which is fun, too, but that is why we would find ourselvs, I think, checking in, sort of speak, with Michael, (when he was still alive). We'd post these kinds of "disclaimers" to him and try not to be in trouble with him. :lol:

We probably have crossed the line at times, but that isn't where our hearts are at. :no:

I see there are some very popular threads over at Lipstick Alley about MJ and the Ladies...and they have been so popular and have had so many posts they are up to their 8th or 9th thread. Wow.

Many MJ fans really do get interested in this area about MJ and his life, don't they? And I think perhaps many who come and visit here think this thread might be another one of those kinds of threads, and then they get disappointed that it isn't really about MJ and the Ladies. And probalby soon find it rather dull because there is no "tea." This thread does have romance, though, and that is an attention getter for some. :heart:

Wasn't feeling so well last time i stopped in but had to leave you ladies a hello and yes Ash 800 pages! That's quite a lot of good reading in here. Just got around to responding to this FT, sorry that you were not feeling well that day. :( How are you feeling these days? Better?

California woman who survived 350-foot fall claims she used telepathy to alert husband
Interesting timing on how you came across this while this was the subject of discussion. I am disappointed that in the interview the husband was not given a chance to tell his side, for I would like to know...did he hear those very words she spoke out to him or not? Him just making the decision to take her being late as enough reason to call the police, is not enough to indicate he "heard" her. So I wish we could know a little more.

There are examples in the Bible of visions and dreams where God shows a person calling out for help, etc., true. But to me that is different than hearing words directly in one's mind from another person. So I haven't been able to find that sort of thing happening in the Bible anywhere. There's a lot going on in the Bible...it could be there and I have forgotten about it.

I have always looked at this as being telepathy or channeling and to me they fall in the category of psychic, or new age sort of abilities that do not come from the source of God. However, I do know that God's enemy does not create, only God is the Creator and can create anything new. Satan can only copy and counterfeit...and he cannot copy something unless there is an original. So that must mean God does do this at times between two people who He has given a special bond, and that is why it can and is being at times counterfeited by God's enemy. But this is heavy spiritual kind of talk. I am sorry if this paragraph has made anyone uncomfortable. :(

Other than that, I don't have much to share today about this "special couple" we like to talk about in here, MJ and the LITD girl, (if she exists). If I do think of something I will check back and post after a few others post, for I do not enjoy posting too much in a row...I enjoy seeing some other posts inbetween. And we are still waiting for AllForMJ to return, now that she's stopped by! :) Hope she hasn't come into some renewed trouble which prevents her from posting.

Have a good day, all. :flowers:

Ape

11-04-2012, 08:13 PM

i dont know how it is for other people but i recently had a little experience that relates to the current topic shila. i have a close friend who ive know since school. i had been visitimg with her for the weekend. first time in almost a year i think. she had a big smile and started to say something when i accidentally knocked someyhing over (clumsy me) so she just got "we are.." out and she teased me that id killed the mood and she wasnt going to say it now. i pestered her to tel me what it was but she wouldnt say. instead she told me to say what i thought she was going to say. well i did mentally finish her sentence in my head but it made no sense, i had no reason to think it was what she was about to say since it was never mentioned or discussed or thought of before but shfinally got it out of me what i had in my head, which was "...going to live together??" and i was right! but i felt so stupid saying it thinking it couldnt be right but somehow i knew it was. it was a strsnge experience and somehow she knew that i knew what she was going to say and laughed. Anyways i guess it relates so i thought id share. again, no reason for me to think thats what she'd say. shes married with a two year old and im a single mom raisimg my kids and we live in different cities. i still have to ask her about that..lol. (sorry for the typos here. im writing on a screwy tablet and with new false nails on, whch i never use).

Lisha

11-04-2012, 09:29 PM

Ape, thanks for sharing that! ;flowers: You seemed to have been attuned to her at that moment. I have heard cases like this many times where someone will be so attuned with a person that they will know what the other person is going to say befor they say it, or they think of them right before that person calls them on the phone or knocks on their door. Things like that. And that is fun and a special connection for sure, or what maybe I've hard called a "sixth sense" or something like that?

It probably is in the same family of things as what I have been talking about, but instead, it would be involving two people who are not in the same room as each other, and they have no other way to communicate, so one of them in the Spirit reaches out for the other and, amazingly, the other feels them or hears them when it happens.

Wait, I remember I think this song being used in here before to give an idea what the girl (or guy) might be doing in a case like this, just for example, (notice it says miles and miles of empty space in between us):

_IdC-mq27jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IdC-mq27jo&feature=related

When I Need You

When I need you
Just close my eyes and I'm with you
And all that I so want to give you
It's only a heart beat away

When I need love
I hold out my hands and I touch love
I never knew there was so much love
Keeping me warm night and day

Miles and miles of empty space in between us
A telephone can't take the place of your smile
But you know I wont be traveling forever
It's cold out, but hold out and do like I do

When I need you
I just close my eyes and I'm with you
And all that I so want to give you babe
It's only a heartbeat away

It's not easy when the road is your driver
Honey, that's a heavy load that we bear
But you know I won't be traveling a lifetime
It's cold out but hold out and do like I do
When I need you

When I need love
I hold out my hands and I touch love
I never knew there was so much love
Keeping me warm night and day

When I need you
Just close my eyes and I'm with you
And all that I so want to give you
It's only a heart beat away

(this song though just speaks abouting feeling or sensing the person, not speaking words to them, like the wife in the accident that MP posted about, where she apparently spoke the words outloud, or even speaking to the other through thoughts, which are not spoken outloud)

In the case of the prophetic gentleman and his deaf and mute mother, they were in the same room but could not communicate in any other way so God provided this way....hearing one another in the Spirit (not words spoken outloud, but spoken in their minds).

I'm wondering Ape, if you already have some of this sensitivity, if you are a candicate in a way for this kind of thing...maybe you are gifted and the gift will develop more as time goes on and you continue seeking God.

It should be no surprise, i suppose that God could do this, of course He can do all things and anything He wants; He's God. He, afterall, often speaks to His own servants in such a way. When a believer in God says God "told them" this or that or to do this or that, what they are meaning is that God gave them an impression in their mind, words, thoughts, that they knew were not their own. This is one of the ways God speaks to us when we seek Him. He also speaks to us through His word, the Bible. And sometimes He uses others, our friends in the Lord, mostly, and even occasionally someone who doesn't know God...a child even. He used a donkey to speak to one of His servants in the Bible because that servant wouldn't heed His own voice...so God got through to him finally through the prophet's very own donkey. haha.

Here is an example how this works, as far as God directing us, or "ordering our steps."

Just recently I entered a restaurant where you seat yourself, and I have been to this restaurant several times, and I know its seating and layout, but this day it was busy, quite crowded. In the first room I could see all the occupied tables, and from my view I could see into the next room as well and it seemed packed. I asked the question to myself in my mind, "Where am I going to sit? Will there even be a table for me?" Right before I entered the next room I thought in a flash of a table I knew was behind the wall I was about to go around, that I could not see, and it was like I knew right then that table would be sitting there empty when I turned the corner. And when I did, there it was...unoccupied. I thought, woah...how did I know that? It became clear to me, soon, why God showed me and why I sat there, for from that vantage point, and no where else where I could have sat would this have been the case, I could see a particular person, working the kitchen window... and without explaining why to you, if that's okay, I will say that God wanted me to see this person. He set me up! He wanted me at that very table, and He let me know ahead of time. So if we listen and stay attuned to God, He can get through to us.

I bet many of you who are reading this thread may have had an experience that seemed like you just knew something or got a feeling about something that you knew you shouldn't have otherwise or didn't make sense that you would know what you knew or the timing was uncanny. Maybe you thought to yourself, "Someone out there was helping me or showing me." I think along the way in this very thread posters have shared some stories like this. :)

If God can get through to us like that, then maybe it is not such a stretch to think He could cause two people He is planning on bringing together in a divine way to "pick up" on one another. Maybe MJ really did hear at times the LITD girl's prayers. o.O

Thanks again, Ape, for posting that! ("Shila"...hahaha, keeping me on my toes, aren't ya?)

~btw, are you enjoying your new set of nails? Do you feel all glamorous?

Ashtanga

12-04-2012, 12:50 AM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

:shifty:

Love.him

12-04-2012, 01:41 AM

Hi everyone,

Just a quick hello and a couple things I noticed from the last few posts.

Lisha, you reminded me of something in regards to telepathy. Frank says in his book that Michael was able to sense how other people were feeling even when they were far apart. He actually says Michael called him once to find out how he was as he sensed he was feeling down & Frank confirmed he had been feeling down that day. I once saw a video on You Tube by someone else saying they noticed that Michael had this gift. So maybe you're on to something.

Also, the song you quoted by Celine Deon was orignally a Leo Sayer song. Leo was on Big Brother 2006 with Jermaine, in case anyone remembers. He did some good songs in the 70s :)

Lisha

12-04-2012, 03:23 AM

Hi there, Love.him! How are you?

Hi everyone,

Just a quick hello and a couple things I noticed from the last few posts.

Lisha, you reminded me of something in regards to telepathy. Frank says in his book that Michael was able to sense how other people were feeling even when they were far apart. He actually says Michael called him once to find out how he was as he sensed he was feeling down & Frank confirmed he had been feeling down that day. I once saw a video on You Tube by someone else saying they noticed that Michael had this gift. So maybe you're on to something.

Hmmm, that's interesting. So it seems he did have some level of gifting in this area. Now I wonder if his ability to feel others was strong enough to not only feel the woman he loves, but to cause her to feel him back as well. Or, she could have some level of gifting in this way, too. Or, if she didn't, maybe MJ prayed that God would give it to her. Sounds like a sweet and special set up, if that is what went on for them.

Also, the song you quoted by Celine Deon was orignally a Leo Sayer song. Leo was on Big Brother 2006 with Jermaine, in case anyone remembers. He did some good songs in the 70s :) Yes, I remember when this song was posted the first time in here it was Leo singing it on Seseme Street and it was so cute. :D I didn't take the time to find that very one, though. Maybe I should have. It was funny...even though the song lyrics are rather serious and romantic.

I didn't know Leo Sayer was on Big Brother when Jermaine was. Did they get along? (you never know on that show...)

Ape

12-04-2012, 04:00 AM

Do i feel glamorous? No, i feel like i suddenly have animal claws. They arent like my regular nails all straight; they are curved & remind me of claws..lol. They look ok, but make it difficult to type.

I think (regarding this topic) that much of it is about listening to our intuition. That's from God. Our way of paying attention to the spiritual world maybe? There's the physical, and then there's the spiritual side of life. We are often too distracted to pay attention to the quieter, meek, spiritual side.

About what i had been talking about, i thought it was she who had the gift and had just somehow sent me a mind message which i would have dismissed if i hadnt been pestered to share. :-) plus my mom and dad used to be attuned to each other as well (id forgotten) when he was out working, and she needed something, she would think of sending him a message to bring home what she needed & most often he would. When i was missing him when they were not together anymore, suddenly he'd call. Thats why i think its important to follow your impulses sometimes. Though i guess some impulses should also be ignored...lol.

MysteriousPhoenix

12-04-2012, 01:47 PM

Ape, I remember you saying something about feeling sad before your father passed or something like that. I remember feeling very sad before my mother passed and I couldn't figure out why. I had then read a book where someone was talking about feeling deep sadness before someone passes and how this is God's way of preparing the person for the loss. I then realized I had been grieving the loss of my mother before I actually lost her. Just recently Whitney Houston's mom confirmed this when she had said that she had felt depressed and lonely and sad right before Whitney passed and she couldn't figure out why since there was no reason to feel t hat way at that point in time. (She also talked about hearing the doorbell ring and nobody was there. I had experienced the same thing.) This goes to show you how God really does communicate to us through our spirit. Funny thing is, I don't remember feeling this sadness before MJ passed. I didn't feel anything like that until the very last minute. Or maybe I did feel it, but was unaware of it maybe because of all the stuff going on like "This Is It."

As far as your mom thinking something and your dad bringing it home, this has happened to me a lot. I have often thought of something and somone will bring me that thing (Works especially well when I am craving pizza. For some reason, people pick up on those pizza cravings! lol!).

Edit: Speaking of YANA and "hearing prayers," I thought what was equally interesting was the line that followed that one which was, "Your burdens I will bear." The reason I am so moved by this is because in these modern times it seems a man wouldn't necessarily want to bear a woman's burdens. He may want to have fun with her and all that, but as far as her problems are concerned, she is on her own. He wouldn't want her problems to become his problems seems to be the mentality. This is probably the reason many men don't want to get married. Well, I'm probably not saying anything new come to think of it.

Ape

12-04-2012, 08:56 PM

Mysteriousphoenix, you just made me crave pizza.
That's interesting what youve said here. I wish i could just speak freely about what i'm thinking regarding what you've said but it's a taboo subject in the forum & don't want to make anyone sad. so ...did you ever make it to hawaii like we talked about a long time ago? Also, well i just ssid i don't want to make anyone sad but,when did your mom die? Did you mention it here when it happened? I'm sorry that happened.

on a totally different topic, does anyone think i should change my name from "ape" to something a bit more feminine?

Lisha

12-04-2012, 10:54 PM

Pizza does sound good! Is it actually becoming a competition for popcorn in here? What is the number one choice? lol. Maybe they cancel each other out and we are left with...PEAS! juuuust kiddin'. :)

Ape, it is such a popular thing these days for girls when they do or get their nails done to post a pic online. Will you post a pic for us? Do you have fun polish on them now? Are they presentable?

That's interesting what youve said here. I wish i could just speak freely about what i'm thinking regarding what you've said but it's a taboo subject in the forum & don't want to make anyone sad.

I wonder of there is a way to preface it so some can just ignore and realize we examine every possibility in here at times to TRY and make things work, even still, for the LITD girl (if she exists) and MJ. Creative writing at times is acceptable in here (just read through the thread) and if a viewer of this thread thinks what we say is not factual, nor could never be true, they can simply discount it, and -that- can be/is our disclaimer.

Does it have something to do about this...

This goes to show you how God really does communicate to us through our spirit. Funny thing is, I don't remember feeling this sadness before MJ passed. I didn't feel anything like that until the very last minute. Or maybe I did feel it, but was unaware of it maybe because of all the stuff going on like "This Is It."

Where you are going with this, Ape, brings "hope" back into this thread and therefore, could stimulate more discussion in a way. It has sort of come to a dead end in here...it's hard to keep talking about "what could have been." But, true, some very well may get offended. But this thread has never been for everyone. And it doesn't need to be really. There are plenty of threads that others can enjoy if they are annoyed with this one, right? Yet, this thread amazingly keeps getting views. Maybe some people like getting annoyed or outraged! haha.

In other words, go for it. Favoritetune did. He went there.

We can just view it as one of the many theories discussed in this thread. I really do think a lot if people think this thread is pure fantasy anyway. Just preface it, Ape. Consider the wording.

: Speaking of YANA and "hearing prayers," I thought what was equally interesting was the line that followed that one which was, "Your burdens I will bear." The reason I am so moved by this is because in these modern times it seems a man wouldn't necessarily want to bear a woman's burdens. He may want to have fun with her and all that, but as far as her problems are concerned, she is on her own. He wouldn't want her problems to become his problems seems to be the mentality. This is probably the reason many men don't want to get married. Well, I'm probably not saying anything new come to think of it.
That line is a lovely line when you think how much it could mean to "her" that he cared so much to offer to do that. And it seems to me he was asking of her the same thing in Will You Be There. I guess he would feel if he hopes for such a thing from her then he likewise should and would be willing to do the same.

on a totally different topic, does anyone think i should change my name from "ape" to something a bit more feminine?

Oh wow. You are Soooo Ape to us all by now. But you should feel free to do what you'd like to do. We'll adjust. Would you enjoy having a more feminine name, ya think? Have you come up with any ideas?

Magicgirl

13-04-2012, 06:51 PM

AllForMJ? Are you out there still? :flowers:

Hi Magicgirl! (I smile whenever I see your username, for when I was really little I made up a fantasy world that existed in the clouds! The queen of this realm had a daughter that me and my sister named Magic Girl. There were many characters that we made up and we would play pretend all the time being the different characters of my made-up place...even if we were at the beach playing in the waves. I might be Magic Girl and she'd be some other character and we'd stay in character the whole day. Haha. Wherever we'd go. Seems silly now, but Sweet Nostalgia. :) Why did you name yourself Magicgirl?).

Well, I was looking for a username that I can't forget to use in different forums before I came here. I love films based on comics, when a new one comes out I always go to watch, superman, spiderman is my favourite, you know. So I wanted to call myself supergirl. But it seems this name was already taken in that forum. I had to choose something else. I scratched my head... And then I was listening to this MJ song on my player "Break of Dawn" and an idea came. I don't know if this song has been already discussed here and if it fits our theory. Lyrics is here: http://www.metrolyrics.com/break-of-dawn-lyrics-michael-jackson.html
Funny thing is that recently someone has given me away an old sweat-shirt for my son and there was a picture of magic girl there with signiture "magicgirl". They couldn't know. What concerns of someone sensing someone's death what I can say is that at the beginning of june in that month when MJ has passed away I have seen him in a dream with very white face, this was strange and I questioned that, but when it happened now I know why. I was somewhere already mentioning that on the day of my flight right before I woke up I saw MJ's spirit (no face seen but I felt it was him) as if watching from above and leaving, when I woke up I questioned why I saw that in a dream and it was strange, I had as all of you some dreams about MJ, but I never saw a dream like that before, in the next couple of hours I boarded a plane and then they brought us the newspapers with a slogan MJ has passed away.

I also think that the song "I just can't stop loving you" fits more than "You are not alone" to the theme we discuss, lyrics is here: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/ijustcantstoplovingyou.html

Ashtanga

13-04-2012, 10:56 PM

Is it actually becoming a competition for popcorn in here?

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif :shifty:

Lisha

14-04-2012, 10:49 PM

This thread is so depressing now....it's all about what "could have been"...Oh WHY?????

This is a post by Linda back in September 2009. But a few pages earlier she brought up a more optimistist theory and those who responded to her did not give her a hard time. She wanted to make this whole thing "work" somehow. Here is the gist of the dialoging back and forth:

Okay, you are going to think this is odd...but then again, everything I do is odd!! LOL!

I was just conjecturing....MJ always wanted to get out of the spotlight...for quite a while now...maybe he did "die" just to get away from the public...but to get back with "her"? That he's not really dead, but he's living somewhere with his true love now? OMG. That sounds so sick - I just realized this. I just can't bring myself to think of the man - the massive presence of that man - as gone. I just can't do it.

Personally I don't find it inconceivable at all. It would certainly raise a lot of questions that this forum won't allow so we'd better leave it to the imagination, but as far as the concepts in this thread go, it certainly flows and makes sense that he would leave the spotlight to take on the possibility of living a normal life. As a human being, there's but so much abnormalcy anyone can take and MJ has had more than his share throughout his entire life. And I agree that as much as he undoubtedly enjoyed being the KOP he seemed to have had enough of certain aspects of it and isn't he the one who said, "don't stop til you get enough"

Yes, you don't mind being the "renegade" do ya? :giggle: you're so funny. Well, y'know that's one of those thoughts many might have but not post but it should be ok ... I don't believe any one person could have that thought without some others having it also, so I'm sure you're not alone in thinking that way.

Maybe I meant literally setting up his "death" so that he could be with his beloved, away from the paparazzi and all.

It still hurts thinking about the fact that he's dead, and wondering if he suffered at all.

aw Linda :hug:
you're the one who made me think of this :wub:

now it begins, now it starts, one hand, one heart, even death, won't part us now."

and thank you for it :yes: because it fits perfectly and at least we get to focus on the life in it

funny how everything fits to keep the thread going too :giggle:

AllforMJ what a thread you've got here :better:

its just so ...

special :wub:

:angel:

Aw gee thanks. I just thought it was a beautiful thought....to put his death in a new, pure sweet romantic viewpoint.....it helps me deal with the enormity of his loss better.

me too baby :huggy:

Oh wendijane and SOS and others here....I avoided this thread like the plague for days and weeks after his death. I was afraid that reading back on these posts and the promise of the future for him would bring fresh tears to me. My heart has a big hole in it. But then I thought that maybe he really isn't dead - that somehow he's gone to a place where his one true love is and is living happily ever after...I so wanted him to have a "happily ever after"....so much...

I feelya Linda :hug: I really do. I couldn't come back here either for that same reason.

Well, I still say its not an outlandishly inconceivable concept in line with our thread thus far and I do strongly remind us to be very careful with this aspect and keep it to the nature of our thread topic ... y'know ... we have to be careful if we like "living" here LOL!

...I know it sounds crazy but I mean, if we want to just offer ourselves some "closure" or "hope" or something in line with "happily ever after" because it is what we all have wanted for him so much and the new lyrics do or could certainly fit.

And it could give a new meaning to that line from the movie "Ghost"

"The love inside, you take it with you"

Well, that's easy enough to do if you're only going to some remote spot on the planet. ;)

And it could give new meaning to the line from West Side Story,

"now it begins, now it starts, one hand, one heart, even death won't part us now"

... :better: just trying to help u feel better ... I feel the hurt in you. I think we all have it. You're not alone. Maybe this helps a little.

(I did shorten some posts to keep only with what would pertain to the subject on hand...) Reading old posts from in here is always enjoyable. :)

So, can this line of thought be touched on in here without it becoming a big problem...just for the sake of the romance, and wishing for it to be continuing...somehow? It's just another theory, and theories are of the nature of something that has not been proven to be true yet. If something is proven to be true, it is no longer a theory (although I guess it could be said that this theory has irrevocably been proven false). Well, can we have fun anyway with a fantastical theory in here? :scratch:

Ash will provide the popcorn either way. ;)

Magicgirl Yes, we have discussed both of those songs you've mentioned at some point in this thread. Would you like to share some thoughts about them, though? That might be fun. :)

MysteriousPhoenix

15-04-2012, 06:48 PM

Ape, my mother passed away on November 19, 2007. Her dream the last few years of her life was to visit Hawaii, so we went the end of September that year, and all the while we were there I had this strange sadness like this was the last time I was ever going to see her. I couldn't understand then how anyone could possibly feel sad in Hawaii. I thought it was perhaps the music we were listining to. It was by an artist named Israel. He passed away in 1997. Matter of fact, hope you guys don't mind if I dedicate one of his songs to her right here on this thread. I think you will like it. Another strange coincidence is that after she had passed I remembered that that was not the original date we had scheduled to leave for Hawaii. I couldn't remember the exact date only that had we gone on the original date we would have been there for Thanksgiving. This made me very curious so I looked through some of her paperwork and happened to find a receipt with the exact date printed on it. It was November 19, 2007!

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As for the theory of Michael still being alive, I don't think it is a taboo subject. That theory has been discussed by many at this point in time. If it were any other person I would have a hard time believing and understanding it, but my eyes have been opened to realize just how truly evil and corrupt the music business is and he had been caught up in it for a very long time. Who knows how desperate he could have become. Anything in life is possible. As a matter of fact, I kind of have a theory that that is what the song "Heaven Can Wait" is all about.

Ash will provide the popcorn either way. ;)

And I'll supply the pizza!;)

SoS

15-04-2012, 08:03 PM

This easy Sunday evening is so pleasant here where I am and a rare opportunity to simply post like old times. MP ( :hiya: ) thanks for sharing about your mom, it reminds me of when my brother left the planet in 2010 at the age of 53. I understand that nebulous feeling of persistent sadness and the bit about Hawaii also as I had a similiar feeling with a family member in Hawaii once also, even while it seems almost impossible to take any sadness there or to experience sadness in a place so full of huge petals, crystal blue water and people who so know how to enjoy life. Just sayin' I know that feeling somewhat too, but when its your mom ... I can only imagine but did appreciate your sharing.

Also, wanted to say, what u just posted reminded me of something very telling of that very point u'r making and was the most random thing that could have happened in the course of my regular day and that was that the other day, I was rushing through the turnstyles of the Mid-town train station as usual when I passed by a man who was standing still amid the flow of pedestrian traffic and had a guitar strapped to his back, was holding a guitar in his right hand and a small amp by it's top strap in his other hand as he was also holding onto the handles of a pair of crutches. As this station was for the local museum and theatre district and since I happened to be on my way to a Symphony Hall office I presumed he could be on his way to Symphony Hall also and asked him whether he was, to which he replied that he was not.

That he was on his way to a bus to go home to his family as he was just released from the hospital, as he pointed out his broken foot which was indeed in a cast and then I noticed his right eye was very swollen and it looked like the skin next to it had been cut. I asked him if I could help him to the bus by carrying something for him to which he agreed as he handed me the guitar and amp so he could more comfortably maneuver the crutches as we proceeded twoard the elevator.

On our way along the platform to the bus he proceeded to tell me how that he is related to a musical act who was extremely successful in terms of noteriety and record sales, and the rights to who's songs he himself was part owner of, and which was the catalyst for "guys in the studio to jump" on him and beat him up. He added that the music industry is a very dirty game.

By the time we reached the bus and I saw him aboard, he cried continually as he thanked me for caring enough to stop to help. This was a very touching and "telling" moment. It showed me live and in living color just how important it could easily be for our favorite artist to do whatever could be necessary for him to protect himself and his entire family from God knows who and/or God knows what, God knows how - maybe even 'by any means necessary'. Y'just never know. We can see from all he and his family went through during the trial, and we learned even before then that Michael was playing a much bigger game with much higher stakes than the guy I met in the train station - and oh btw, the artistic act the man in the station was talking about was no joke either, not by a stretch, in terms of recording/selling success - so on an even much grander scale - there's really just no telling what MJ hadn't had to do, not because of any of it being up to him - but because he has/had to. I'll say it just one more time - y'just never know. Oh well, that's it. It was just so timely what u said.

Ishla you were right, it is fun reading through this thread! :popcorn: Its like reading so much of it for the very first time. Thanks for the suggestion.

Ape, my mother passed away on November 19, 2007. Her dream the last few years of her life was to visit Hawaii, so we went the end of September that year, and all the while we were there I had this strange sadness like this was the last time I was ever going to see her. I couldn't understand then how anyone could possibly feel sad in Hawaii. I thought it was perhaps the music we were listining to. It was by an artist named Israel. He passed away in 1997. Matter of fact, hope you guys don't mind if I dedicate one of his songs to her right here on this thread. I think you will like it. Another strange coincidence is that after she had passed I remembered that that was not the original date we had scheduled to leave for Hawaii. I couldn't remember the exact date only that had we gone on the original date we would have been there for Thanksgiving. This made me very curious so I looked through some of her paperwork and happened to find a receipt with the exact date printed on it. It was November 19, 2007!

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As for the theory of Michael still being alive, I don't think it is a taboo subject. That theory has been discussed by many at this point in time. If it were any other person I would have a hard time believing and understanding it, but my eyes have been opened to realize just how truly evil and corrupt the music business is and he had been caught up in it for a very long time. Who knows how desperate he could have become. Anything in life is possible. As a matter of fact, I kind of have a theory that that is what the song "Heaven Can Wait" is all about.

And I'll supply the pizza!;)

Magicgirl

15-04-2012, 08:47 PM

About feeling sad, I know my father is dieing from cancer, it's uncurable form, but I don't feel sad, I wonder why, maybe his time hasn't come yet. I wonder if MJ's family or someone had this sad feeling you describe a month before he died. Hawaii should be great. It's one of the places I will never be able to go. I was looking at the map of pacific ocean today, maybe it is offtopic, I dreamed of some atoll to the south from Japan on the same level as China. So I looked at the map, I have found Mariana Islands there which should be for sure interesting to see. Also there was this atoll Wake, but this is a military base. Found no other atolls. I guess because it is every person's dream to leave this world behind and enjoy life in some paradise like in MJ's song "Take me away":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqDwNKqaxY

Take me some place different
Somewhere by the ocean
And not return to the city
And all its' bad emotion

I don't wanna live
I don't wanna live in the rain no more

I just wanna go
I just wanna go where it's always warm

Come on and take me away

To where the sun in always shining
And the sky is always blue
I wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
And i wanna be there with you

We can leave this grey behind us
And start our life anew
Forget our work and daily life
Forever me and you

Take me some place different
I know i'm deep in love
Passion in the sunshine
Is what i'm thinking of

I don't wanna go
I don't wanna go in to work no more

No one understands
Make stupid demands
I don't know what its for
I said baby take me away

To where the sun is always shining
And the sky is always blue
I wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
And i wanna be there with you

We can leave this grey behind us
And start our life anew
Forget our work and daily life
Forever me and you

I want my baby
I want my baby with me
I want my baby tonight

And another MJ song "Fall Again" to share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHsL6C3awY

Lisha

16-04-2012, 12:00 AM

SoS

16-04-2012, 01:36 AM

MP, thanks for sharing that and the song as well...the lyrics start off talking about seeing her in his dreams and walking hand in hand. That seems quite fitting since we have talked about MJ maybe first seeing the LITD girl (if she exists) in a dream...and "she" apparently took his hand (maybe while walking) and told him she loved him (TWYLM)!

And thanks for offering to be the pizza supplier! :hug:We have two suppliers in here. Is that legal? :unsure: lol.

STATEofSHOCK! A nice long post like old times! :clapping: And with some deep thought, too. Wow, you've got me now feeling the eebie jeebies about the music industry. Yikes. That poor guy. That was so kind of you to help him, SoS.

Yes, your post was quite serious with deep stuff...well, with the exception of this:

Ish....la?!!??? How dare you!!!! What are you insinuating?!!! This is enough to make me want to change my name again!

Oh yeah, I forgot. I was told with no uncertain terms by staff that I cannot change my name around here again. Shooooooooooooooot! lol.

Now, *sigh,* I'll remain a target for name-altering-bullying by the likes of SoS! *sticks out tongue* (you did make use of every letter though, good job, you're hired).

I'm sorry to hear that, Magicgirl.

Maybe so! Let's hope. :)

Thanks for posting this song. The words are perfect...it's all about wanting to get away from it all. :yes: Nice job.

These lyrics at the end in particular...

I want my baby
I want my baby with me
I want my baby tonight

...reminded me of something I was thinking about the LITD girl when a certain song came on the car radio for me today. You know, if MJ is somewhere in the world right now and he took his "someone" with him, then all is well; both MJ and the LITD girl I should think would be pretty happy. But if only MJ is out there somewhere in the world and the LITD girl has no contact with him and doesn't know where he is, then..well...she might be feeling a little bit like the one singing this song:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDtSyWQsPsU

Seems like the gal in this song and her guy had a fight, though, and some words were exchanged, and she's therefore gotten more communication than maybe the LITD girl did on the "why" her guy had to go.

On the other hand, I think it could be possible that the LITD girl is still completely "in the dark" on this one. What do you think? Seems to be her lot in life. :lol:

But don't these lyrics seem spot on:

I don't know where my baby is
<meta content="But I'll find him, somewhere, somehow" itemprop="line">But I'll find him, somewhere, somehow
<meta content="I've got to let him know how much I care" itemprop="line">I've got to let him know how much I care
I'll never give up looking for my baby

<meta content="Been around the world and I, I, I, I can't find my baby" itemprop="line">Been around the world and I, I, I, I can't find my baby
I don't know when, I don't know why, why he's gone away
And I don't know where he can be, my baby
But I'm gonna find him

Hey, where's Ape? :jump:Yes MP, that is a nice song and video too.

Ashli, just look at the creative fun you've created just with your name alone. Its amazing! I'd never use it to bully you, I solemnly promise. That song btw sounds spot on in many ways.

Getting back just a secondt to just how appropriate is it for the posters in this thread to take the story to certain places that have been considered by some to be "taboo", I was wondering to which thing ppl are referrring...the possible/maybe/seeming-to-some "fact" of him maybe still hangin' around somehow, or the idea of that PLUS him maybe having chosen to do so to have a "normal" life. My mind goes a couple of ways when I consider that:

On the one hand it could look sort of like a "who-dun-it" of romance when u look at the cast of players, being the women who were made visible one of which could be "the one" he would be with now if that theory were true - notwithstanding there being a LITD which is more a "notion" of MJ's in a sense (thinking of Fly Away lyrics, "our loves an ocean, give me a notion" play on words) whereas a 3-D relationship is more than a notion and needs nurturing and gets that from a loving person, so all that to say, to look to actually find him might be to figure out the "who-dun-it" type of mystery the women provide who were made visible post-June25, if anyone would want to try to dig that deeply that is, which if we did we could create complete scenarios around these possibilities and consider the various (otherwise minor) details as huge clues!

or on the other hand,

Maybe the truth is something even more fantastic, such as none of the people we have seen die have actually done so, and that he is somewhere with Liz, his true love whom he did spend time with, honored and cherished, and Peter, his true lawyer/friend and Dileo, his true manager/friend. ? And they all are living somewhere happily ever after. If we wanted we could create complete scenarios around these possiblities consider the varous (otherwise minor details) we were shown as big clues! There are so many ways things can be.

As for the LITD fans, we have the music to continue to observe whatever it was at a given time that MJ wanted to share, and we'll always have that. :)

I feel the LITD would say of you Silah, 'u've got jokes eh. ha. ha. ha.'

In behalf of that poor slo chile (if she exists) let me just say: :sigh: .

Oh speaking of Ape, she's somewhere rehearsing perhaps. So exciting she doing a play! I wanted to tell you how inspiring you are in doing theatre with young ones although I don't guess they are very little any more. I've been trying to feel my way back to the theatre after raising mine too. Some people can go on enjoying life in the most optimum way as single parents and some cannot and I have been the latter. I havent tried being in a play since my oldest daughter was 5 and ironically there was a role for a 5 year old to play my daughter - and guess what - wonder of wonders the director's 5 year old got cast! And unlike my daughter the little girl looked nothing like t he person playing her mother!! That was very difficult so thanks for the inspiration (as always) ... and errr, as for your name, its perfect because useem so very much the opposite! So it makes it interesting. Ok, that's my edit. I won't get a chance to come back much any time soon. God bless All and All have fun!

SoS

16-04-2012, 02:33 AM

Magicgirl thakns for that nice post and great song. So sorry to hear about your dad.

About feeling sad, I know my father is dieing from cancer, it's uncurable form, but I don't feel sad, I wonder why, maybe his time hasn't come yet. I wonder if MJ's family or someone had this sad feeling you describe a month before he died. Hawaii should be great. It's one of the places I will never be able to go. I was looking at the map of pacific ocean today, maybe it is offtopic, I dreamed of some atoll to the south from Japan on the same level as China. So I looked at the map, I have found Mariana Islands there which should be for sure interesting to see. Also there was this atoll Wake, but this is a military base. Found no other atolls. I guess because it is every person's dream to leave this world behind and enjoy life in some paradise like in MJ's song "Take me away":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqDwNKqaxY

Take me some place different
Somewhere by the ocean
And not return to the city
And all its' bad emotion

I don't wanna live
I don't wanna live in the rain no more

I just wanna go
I just wanna go where it's always warm

Come on and take me away

To where the sun in always shining
And the sky is always blue
I wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
And i wanna be there with you

We can leave this grey behind us
And start our life anew
Forget our work and daily life
Forever me and you

Take me some place different
I know i'm deep in love
Passion in the sunshine
Is what i'm thinking of

I don't wanna go
I don't wanna go in to work no more

No one understands
Make stupid demands
I don't know what its for
I said baby take me away

To where the sun is always shining
And the sky is always blue
I wanna live somewhere that's beautiful
And i wanna be there with you

We can leave this grey behind us
And start our life anew
Forget our work and daily life
Forever me and you

I want my baby
I want my baby with me
I want my baby tonight

And another MJ song "Fall Again" to share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHsL6C3awY

Lisha

16-04-2012, 03:04 AM

On the one hand it could look sort of like a "who-dun-it" of romance when u look at the cast of players, being the women who were made visible one of which could be "the one" he would be with now if that theory were true - notwithstanding there being a LITD which is more a "notion" of MJ's in a sense (thinking of Fly Away lyrics, "our loves an ocean, give me a notion" play on words) whereas a 3-D relationship is more than a notion and needs nurturing and gets that from a loving person, so all that to say, to look to actually find him might be to figure out the "who-dun-it" type of mystery the women provide who were made visible post-June25, if anyone would want to try to dig that deeply that is, which if we did we could create complete scenarios around these possibilities and consider the various (otherwise minor) details as huge clues!

You mean you want us to do some name dropping in here? Now we are dedicated in not trying to figure out and/or name the LITD girl, but you're thinking it would be perfectly fine to name the 3D girl?

(Wait a min...This is sounding like a love triangle is goin on here. Oh my! MJ loves a 3D girl and the LITD girl? Both of them? A real live girl and a notion? Greedy, isn't he? He's having his cake and eating it, too. So is the LITD on the Down lo...is that the story? Man. :no:

Well, 3D candidates...(this is gonna come off as "tea" juuusss sayin, SoS)

....Rushka Bergman, Shana Mangatal, Grace (I forget her new married name...if it is true she's married, maybe she's not and it was part of the game...o.O)..um, how about one of those cute "follower" girls...he seemed pretty cozy with a few of them? Ola spoke up after June 25th, and Brooke was visible, and LMP was very visible on Oprah, and didn't Stephanie Mills say a thing or two after June 25th.

Oh yeah, this is really narrowing it down.

Tatiana came to a few events post June 25th....man, SoS, this is sure turning into "tea"....didn't we hear Tatum mention MJ in an interview a couple of times plus in her book, all after June 25th? And even Marsha from the Brady Bunch talked of skating and a little kiss not that long ago.

This is a cinch...NOT!

Will the true 3D girl please step forward!

Who am I forgetting? What about Seidah? Or Miss Diana Ross? Has Romonica been around post June 25th and said anything? Well, Theresa the penpal has.

We all know Sonny and Cher's hit song, right, And the Beat Goes On

Well, sing this with me, girls:

And The List Goes ON, and The List Goes Aw-on....and on, and on, and on....

I won't get a chance to come back much any time soon. God bless All and All have fun!

Oh shoot...so my post will not get a response. You start us off in this direction and then leave. Fine!

btw: Now Silah's a new one! I was planning on "Ashli" for my 6th name change and "Halsi" for my 5th...but that is all stopped now...*cries* I'll be Lisha till the day I die...

MysteriousPhoenix

16-04-2012, 01:45 PM

Ape

16-04-2012, 03:30 PM

Sorry guys, i asked questions and then disappeared. MysteryP, thank you for sharing this about hawaii and your mom and Iz. could you please share the theory on heaven can wait? i bet im not the only one who would like to hear it.

Now so much has been posted, i have to try to recall what all i wanted to comment on (or had any contribution to). Magicgirl im sorry to near you and your dad are going through this. its good you are there for him.
Lashi, ive already pulled off all the nails, cute as they were. i guess in some ways im still a tomboy at heart. Like when i was a kid trying my darndest to keep up with my older brother and all his friends and often surpassing them in their boyish play;bmx bike riding, building tree forts, catching frogs & cricketss and bumblebees and fireflies, climbing trees and anything else....sorry but i just had to keep going there remembering childhood.whether it went with the topic or not. i miss all that. it seemed to stop once my parents split up.. now my kids miss it too. life is different.

oh! i remember another post i wanted to mention or comment on. i guess it is ok to talk about the posibility of our man here still being alive. i don't think it's anyones place to try to find him though. i'd imagine if he wants to be found by anyone, he'd go find them. thats always been my thoughts on that topic, post june 25th and pre. it doesnt feel right to chase him or smoke him out in any way. im not sure if thats what was meant in these posts though. . maybbe later ill post some thoughts on that topic though.

i cant remember anything else....oh, thank you two for commenting about my nam)e. you're both probably right. i just sometimes feel it would be nice to be called something all flowery and feminine. :

oh again....i met someone a while back who also loves mj : then lost touch and ran into him again. so thought that was nice. i know people who like him and are fans of his music and think hes a wonderful man but this is the first person ive met in person who would fit in with our bunch. i may have a new friend and someday may share this place with him. so who knows, maybe we'll have some new blood in here soon....or maybe it'll be too girlie for him. takes a brave man to come mingle in here with us ladies, right favorite tune? :)

Ape

16-04-2012, 03:55 PM

I feel the LITD would say of you Silah, 'u've got jokes eh. ha. ha. ha.'

In behalf of that poor slo chile (if she exists) let me just say:o

Oh speaking of Ape, she's somewhere rehearsing perhaps. So exciting she doing a play! I wanted to tell you how inspiring you are in doing theatre with young ones although I don't guess they are very little any more. I've been trying to feel my way back to the theatre after raising mine too. Some people can go on enjoying life in the most optimum way as single parents and some cannot and I have been the latter. I havent tried being in a play since my oldest daughter was 5 and ironically there was a role for a 5 year old to play my daughter - and guess what - wonder of wonders the director's 5 year old got cast! And unlike my daughter the little girl looked nothing like t he person playing her mother!! That was very difficult so thanks for the inspiration (as always) ... and errr, as for your name, its perfect because useem so very much the oposite! So it makes it interesting. Ok, that's my edit. I won't get a chance to come back much any time soon. God bless All and All have fun!

k im typun in red so you can see which is mi e since its not letting me trype at the end. forgive any tyoos pls. ok... what is slo chile? which jokes? Thanks, just felt out of the loop and didnt understand. also yes i am in another play :) did i mention that in here? i cant remember. my youngest daughter is 5 right now. ive been working lots too so mall that makes it difficult to get on here. ive barely been able to lokk at my script. most everyone has their lines memorised and ive ot been able to yet so its not easy being a single mom and being in a play and working etc....my house is a mess.. stuff gets left undone and im not doing as well as id like to be in all areas but i need to act sometimes. so i just do it, whether i should or not. whether i have time or not. i hope you can too soon. i was just surprised when you mentioned im in a play bc i didnt think id told anyone. .
higrr comouter isnt cooperating at all... i cant see what im typing.

ms fairy

16-04-2012, 10:15 PM

Hi everyone! Its been so long since i have been able to get on due to some password glitch! Its good to be back, quite the thread! I have a lot to catch up on! One thing I noticed is that people want mj's queen to come forward...what do you think is holding her back and what would happen when she does come forward? Maybe if we try to put ourselves in her shoes we could understand and be of help to get real justice, real truth...

Ashtanga

16-04-2012, 11:20 PM

As for the theory of Michael still being alive, I don't think it is a taboo subject. That theory has been discussed by many at this point in time. If it were any other person I would have a hard time believing and understanding it, but my eyes have been opened to realize just how truly evil and corrupt the music business is and he had been caught up in it for a very long time. Who knows how desperate he could have become. Anything in life is possible. As a matter of fact, I kind of have a theory that that is what the song "Heaven Can Wait" is all about.

:fear:

Agree with you.... -_-

Ash will provide the popcorn either way. ;)

And I'll supply the pizza!;)

:shifty: :hungry:

Lisha

17-04-2012, 02:33 AM

One thing I noticed is that people want mj's queen to come forward...what do you think is holding her back and what would happen when she does come forward?
Ms. Fairy, first let me ask you what you mean by "MJ's Queen?" Do you mean his LITD girl or his 3D girl? You see they are two different ladies. If it is the LITD girl that you mean, then no, at least I think the majority isn't after her coming forward. Certainly not for her to come forward in this thread.

Now SoS was suggesting, I think, that figuring out who the 3D girl is might prove helpful...somehow. Might need her to explain -exactly- what she is meaning there.

The 3D girl, you see, is someone who MJ decided to hook up with because he (apparently, if this did occur) gave up on God's promise to him for a love so divine, one that would be realized in his life, and well, he didn't wish to wait any longer for God to bring him and the LITD girl together. At the point of his giving up, he saw some lovely and loyal 3D girl batting her eyes at him and he thought..."What am I thinking? This woman right here is fiiiiinnnnneeee! That LITD girl was just a 'notion' anyway!"

It's like he came to the place (if any of this is true...) where he was no longer interested in "her" (the LITD girl's) answer to this question that at one time seemed very important to him:

Say it's what we both believe in

(from the song, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming)

So the 3D girl (real live girl he knew in person) became his main squeeze and first in his life, and the LITD girl remained just a dream he once had to fade away in his memory and thoughts...forever.

Then by "MJ's Queen" I am guessing you mean his 3D girl?

I feel the LITD would say of you Silah, 'u've got jokes eh. ha. ha. ha.'

In behalf of that poor slo chile (if she exists) let me just say: :sigh: .

k im typun in red so you can see which is mi e since its not letting me trype at the end. forgive any tyoos pls. ok... what is slo chile? which jokes? Thanks, just felt out of the loop and didnt understand.

Ape, I think SoS was responding to my:

On the other hand, I think it could be possible that the LITD girl is still completely "in the dark" on this one. What do you think? Seems to be her lot in life. :lol:

Maybe that was a little cold on my part...indicating the LITD girl was slo to kno. And so that compassionate SoS came to the poor-picked-on LITD girl's defense. :lol:

MP, did you post that song about "standing" strong or firm, because 1) of how MJ had to do that when dealing with Music Industry, or 2) because anyone who wants to think MJ is still alive would have to "stand" when others attack them, or 3) because the LITD girl if she wants to believe God is still gonna to bring her and MJ together somehow...she'd have to "stand" on that and not waiver? I'm just trying to see how you were relating it to what we've been discussing. :)

And. MP, I'd also like to hear what you mean regarding the song, Heaven Can Wait. Care to elaborate for us. Please, please? :flowers:

EDIT: Oh, and here, Ape, is where you mention being in a play...

Thank you Lorraine, they are well. I've been pretty busy most days with work and raising the family. Today was nice to get stuff done at home and hung out on here more than usual. Hope you and your family are all well as well. I'm in another play too so lots of rehearsing.

Ape

17-04-2012, 04:02 AM

Oh, thank you. I couldn't remember mentioning it at all. Sometimes I just say whatever is on my mind and forget about it later. I don't think I follow this 3D vs LITD idea. It doesn't make much sense to me. Especially if there really was anything to the LITD thing at all. If he found her, as some songs seem to suggest, especially as shown in this thread, then why would he look anywhere else for someone else? If he found the woman of his dreams, the one God intended for him, why would he bother with anyone other than that woman? Why wouldn't he just go be with her? Seems pretty ridiculous for him to find her, and then forget all about her to go off with any woman other than the one.

What I wonder about is, when or if he found her, what reason could there be to keep him from going right to her and spending the rest of their lives together right away? In that Hold my Hand, it sounds like they aren't together yet but he knows her. Why? Why wouldn't they just be together? Am I naive in thinking it could just happen in that way?

MysteriousPhoenix

17-04-2012, 06:37 PM

MP, did you post that song about "standing" strong or firm, because 1) of how MJ had to do that when dealing with Music Industry, or 2) because anyone who wants to think MJ is still alive would have to "stand" when others attack them, or 3) because the LITD girl if she wants to believe God is still gonna to bring her and MJ together somehow...she'd have to "stand" on that and not waiver? I'm just trying to see how you were relating it to what we've been discussing. :)

Actually that song came to me right before coming here to post and after I had brought up the ugly music industry, so I just assumed it may have something to do with it (although I think it would work with all of the above).

There's one part in the song where Sly sings:

"There's a midget standing tall, and the giant beside him about to fall."

That one line really stood out to me. I immediately thought of the "midget" being the "little people" (including artists), and the giant being the music industry. (Hey, btw, didn't Moddie mention a midget being in one of her dreams?) It also made me think of Bette Midler's song, "Oh Industry."

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Lyrics:

I am the captain and this is my shrine.
Lord of the manor. See what I leave behind.
River in flames, cities on fire.
Yes, I'm a relic trapped in the wire.

Hydrogen fuel, it burns so clean,
throbs in the veins; a mother lovin' machine.
She is my wife. Her mechanical heart
constantly serving 'til death do us part.

Now a glorious war draws to a close.
The yellow winds blow. And I have to know.
Oh industry, whatever will become of me?
Soon the cruel rains will start.
Is it true we must part company?
Oh industry, whatever will become of me?
What have I ever done?
Where did I go wrong?

Joined at the hip; pain, hunger and I,
leave our gift to the world 'neath the phosphorous sky.
A labor of love is the truest of all.
But will I be forsaken after the fall?

Now a glorious war draws to a close.
The yellow winds blow. And I have to know.
Oh industry, whatever will become of me?
Nothing after the flood but the fire and the mud's prophecy.
Oh industry, whatever will become of me?
Of me?

Industry, charity, faith, hope.
Industry, charity, faith, hope.
Industry, charity, faith, hope.
Industry, charity, faith, hope.
Industry, charity, faith, hope . . .

... could you please share the theory on heaven can wait? i bet im not the only one who would like to hear it.

... And. MP, I'd also like to hear what you mean regarding the song, Heaven Can Wait. Care to elaborate for us. Please, please? :flowers:

Well, I thought "Heaven Can Wait" could maybe have been a message to MJ's LITD that if she should hear that one day he is gone, she should not believe it. It would of course had to have been thought out in advance.

SoS

18-04-2012, 06:41 PM

Sorry, I can't see my screen for this tumblr,tweet/Digg, in share etc. bar thingy on my left. Its so awkward for posting especially with trying to quote which I haven't figured out how to do yet so I'll just type out that, no I don't expect us to suddently break the "LITD CREED" and suddenly start using personal names. In a good 'who-dun-it' they say "the butler", they don't say, James Bradstock Jernigan. Ape, I guess the answers are in - whether this thread is on track in its theory of him having 'found' her and if he did indeed do so, do we really fathom to know what all MJ would really have to go through to just simply become face to face with this person? OR, is it possible that things are not quite as they seem but are interesting to pick apart none-the-less. In my mind "she" is a sort of a muse. I also tend to believe in the "composite" female theory meaning MJ maybe sang songs to specific people or he sang to specific "types" of people. Also, we have to remember, that we started this thread for as far as I know entertainment purposes only. Maybe it s kind of like astrology, maybe there's some germ of truth to something you read but it is whatever it is.

This thread actually had as it precursor a conversation among me, AFMJ and I blieve Moddie (?) about how loved MJ is by so many throngs of people and AFMJ pointed out the idea of there still needing to be that 1 person and then proceeded to share with us several songs. I am awed at my initial feeling about it all. Everybody loves MJ. I see him as a man who has absolutely 100% everything. I feel if there's ever been anything actually missing from his life he would replace it. Maybe it isn't that simple but I certainly echo anyone's feelings about that what u said Ape but there are also, so very many ways that any given matter can actually be,when details of a situation reveal the truth.

I know I've been awfully presumptuous at times and stepping over the line to which I apologize. This level of speculation became just so riveting after I bumped upon this thread and heard a few songs is all. Oh well, I dunno, just a quick thought. I'll try to come back soon. MP, interesting 'take' on Heaven Can Wait! I wonder did u see it like that a long time or is it a recent 'revelation' that it could mean that. :) just curious

Lisha

18-04-2012, 07:50 PM

...they say "the butler", they don't say, James Bradstock Jernigan :lol: Just laughing at the very English sounding name you came up with for the butler just like one you'd find in an Agatha Christie novel. haha. How'd you do that so well?

Okay, I apologize for all these names I threw out there when I was misunderstanding what you were after. I see now, though. But in this case we don't have any butlers or maids or Miss Scarletts or Colonel Mustards or the cook :chef: or a groundsman...

Don't we just have a bunch of chicks?

So we should maybe label them chick A, chick B, chick C, etc; and from what I can tell, we are gonna run out of letters. MJ was apparently one busy guy. 26 letters may not cover it. :ph34r:

He is not imo capable of living any other lifestyle except that of having everything he could ever need or want in his world the way I see it.

What do you mean exactly by this, SoS? :unsure:

Ape, I agree with so much of what you said in your post regarding how it doesn't seem to make much sense if someone asked God for a love so divine that they would then suddenly decide to go ahead and accept a relationship with someone that they clearly know is not the love so divine they asked God for. Why would Michael do that? A casual relationship maybe, to fill time with and enjoy, but for him to be "out there" somewhere today, married to someone who he knows is not "the one," because God showed him "the one" clearly at some point, seems a little hard to believe. I think that's because we see him as such a man of conviction. But life doesn't always turn out like we plan and there are always unexpected twists and turns.
Loneliness, and lack of true companionship, is such a hard thing to live with though.

The waiting game is so hard, but when you look at the individuals of faith in the Bible, so many of them had to wait and wait. I don't know how they did it...how they would stay focused and not give up on God's promises to them. They must have had a special dose of God's grace. Maybe if any of us are waiting on a personal promise of God's to us to be fulfilled, we might do well to ask Him for some of that kind of grace to sustain us during the "long wait."

Or, like SoS is saying here,

...theory of him having 'found' her...

Then maybe he is out there somewhere with the LITD girl and not a 3D girl afterall. Or SoS could be meaning that he "found her" (the LITD girl) but still, even still, has not been able to connect with her. It just seems to me that MJ is so careful in keeping things private and protecting his business and especially when it comes to his romantic life, that maybe if he is not wanting to be found "publicly" it makes it all the more tricky to connect with "her". And do you think he really, really knows without a doubt that he can trust her? I mean, if he contacted her, in her complete excitement would she either accidently or unthinkingly "spill the beans" and cause him some problems? Does he know her that well?

Maybe it s kind of like astrology, maybe there's some germ of truth to something you read but it is whatever it is.
I think this thread is like this. Maybe once in awhile we touch on some truth, but there is probably only a small portion of it here and there as we thread our way through the thread amongst all our speculation and commentary and silliness. Even the absurd, maybe. But it's fun and yes, it's entertainment.

Thanks for posting, SoS, even though it sounds like you had some challenges. Thanks for pushing through. :)

Nice theory, MP! I'm gonna post the lyrics, mainly to help refresh my memory, but maybe others need a refresher, too.

"Heaven Can Wait"

[CHORUS]
Tell the angels no, I don’t wanna leave my baby alone
I don’t want nobody else to hold you
That’s a chance I’ll take
Baby I’ll stay, Heaven can wait
No, if the angels took me from this earth
I would tell them bring me back to her
It’s a chance I’ll take, maybe I’ll stay
Heaven can wait

You’re beautiful
Each moment spent with you is simply wonderful
This love I have for you girl it’s incredible
And I don’t know what I’d do, if I can’t be with you
The world could not go on so every night I pray
If the Lord should come for me before I wake
I wouldn’t wanna go if I can’t see your face, can’t hold you close
What good would Heaven be
If the angels came for me I’d tell them no

[CHORUS]

Unthinkable
Me sitting up in the clouds and you are all alone
The time might come around when you’d be moving on
I’d turn it all around and try to get back down to my baby girl
Can’t stand to see nobody kissing, touching her
Couldn’t take nobody loving you the way we were
What good would Heaven be
If the angels come for me I’d tell them no

[CHORUS]

Oh no, can’t be without my baby
Won’t go, without her I’d go crazy
Oh no, guess Heaven will be waiting
Ooh
Oh no, can’t be without my baby
Won’t go, without her I’d go crazy
Oh no, guess Heaven will be waiting
Ooh

[CHORUS]

Just leave us alone, leave us alone
Please leave us alone

Wow, the last lines here. Are we being told to leave them alone as they are out there in hiding somewhere finally able to live (and love) in peace? o.O

(Hey, btw, didn't Moddie mention a midget being in one of her dreams?)
If I remember correctly, Moddie had a dream where at one point the LITD girl was walking with a man who MOddie described as "small" and the LITD girl seemed uncomfortable while walking and talking with him. At the time, I took it not literally, meaning his size, but that he was a "small", maybe foolish and petty, man, especially in contrast to MJ. But it could mean that she was uncomfortable with him because he was shrewd and untrustworthy, maybe even with evil intent. Moddie's mention of it was brief and did not go into much detail. So maybe you have a point there, and a correlation.

EDIT: Ape...so no more fancy nails, huh? You had a enough of that! (I personally have never had fake nails so I can imagine how I would find them uncomfortable somehow for me, too) :)

I feel if there's ever been anything actually missing from his life he would replace it. Maybe it isn't that simple but I certainly echo anyone's feelings about that what u said Ape but there are also, so very many ways that any given matter can actually be,when details of a situation reveal the truth.
This here, SoS, where you further respond to Ape...it seems like you think MJ could "replace" the LITD girl with another if he felt a "mate kind of love" was missing from his life. I think he did do that when he married in his thirties, but he seemed so wise and well-seasoned with understanding when he reached his fifties, and I dunno. It makes me think about Song of Songs and how Solomon worded what I view the most precious and valued, and seclusive, kind of love one can have for a woman, or a man if reversed, and that is when the "beloved" says...

the one my heart loves

I just don't think that can be replaced, even by the King of Pop who had 100% everything. No one should be able to bump that God given kind of romantic love out of the way...it's just...there, and there to stay. It's worth waiting for, and the pull would remain strong towards it. Or am I being too romantic in my thinking, especially for one who doesn't consider herself all that romantic?

turthlili

19-04-2012, 04:16 AM

******

Lisha

19-04-2012, 04:56 AM

Do you mean, turthlili, that it is not realistic to expect MJ to wait for the one he initially felt God told him was for him, because he is only human and cannot be expected to love "her" endlessly and unconditionally like that? So you think it is all right to let him off the hook and love someone new to replace her?

Or are you simply saying they need to love each other equally and both should love each other as close to unconditionally as possible?

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. But I think if I understood, I'd really like what you are saying! :) Please be patient with me for not understanding right off. :blush:

turthlili

19-04-2012, 02:54 PM

Or are you simply saying they need to love each other equally and both should love each other as close to unconditionally as possible?
:

yes. that's my point.
when pepople get high position.like MJ. (you know there must be millions girls out there waiting for him)
they would think what kind of girl/person deserve to me?
but we are all nomal human being. no one is perfect.
when you ask for a person love you unconditonal , i think you should also love him/her unconditional.
when you ask for other's respect, you should show the respect to other.
not checking everything, make sure everything 100%.(that make your relationship like a deal/ business)
in our life , no one did/ do/ will do everything right ,no wrong.

ok, maybe the MJ in the heaven will check everything right.:)
just the theory.

i think people/fans give MJ many love unconditional.
i also think michael would love his fans always,including the LITD, unconditional.
maybe he didn't connect with her,not be with her, had his reasons. who knows.

ps:Lisha i like your posts sometimes interesting.and ape,meddi..., allformj,...(i couldn't name them all)ideas are also interesting .
even you don't have the physical evidence, you could show so many things.
how attractive~:)

Lisha

19-04-2012, 05:42 PM

Thank you for clarifying! And after reading through your words carefully here, I can see from what you say that you have lived life long enough to be an observing individual and to have become quite wise. :) For example, so true no one is perfect and no one should be expected to be perfect. That is so important to remember in relationships, huh?

And thanks for liking our posts! Yes, we certainly don't have much physical evidence. :lol: But it JUST doesn't stop us!!

Was it Shabuya that used to describe this thread as the "little engine who could?" We do keep tryin' to make this thing work out for MJ and his LITD girl...don't we? Maybe we've become a little too tenacious on the subject. haha.

Thanks again for your input, Turthlili! :flowers:

Has AllForMJ found herself back in the situation of having difficulty getting on the site? I wonder what's going on for her? :scratch:

Oh, SoS, so you are thinking the LITD girl has primarily been just a muse, or an occasional inspiration for a song or two. And even then, the lyrics might not be directly about her, but she is helping with a general concept or she becomes part of a collaboration of ideas he has about girls that he turns to when he wants to write a love song?

But you still think the two songs that brought forth this thread, Someone in the Dark and The Way You Love Me are about her directly? :unsure:

SoS

19-04-2012, 06:52 PM

^ regarding the first parts of your paragraph, I'll say, basically....and regarding the first u asked about, no, just reminding us we are dealing with a man who in many of our minds (keeping in mind that of course we all see him differently) is a person who seems to (many of us) to have kept in the forefront of his intentions about his life that thing called 'balance'. I don't know about uall, but I get (and have always gotten) the feeling that 'balance' is very important to him and if we agree on that then maybe we can agree that he'd have that somehow and that is all I'm sayin

How did u come by that particular scripture from Song of Songs?

Your last line @ me, I don't see why u are asking me that... what gives u the idea that I think that about those two songs vs any otehrs?

Lisha

19-04-2012, 10:27 PM

"Iashl"? That doesn't quite sound American to me...hmmm. Where would be the origin of that name do you think? An 'h' and an 'el" together like that...

But I do agree with your impression that MJ would be after maintaining a balanced life. I think that seems true. And that is also wisdom, and something we should all strive for. I was just asking the Lord in my quiet time about a half hour ago, interestingly enough, to give me more balance in a certain area that I am struggling with.

That scripture in Song of Songs the Lord led me to awhile back when He was showing me something (when I asked Him about it) about how one would know if what they are feeling is real and true or not (regarding what would seem to be a romantic kind of love for the opposite sex). And I felt He was indicating to me that if the love in one's heart passes this test...that it is not a love in one's mind, or of a fanciful idea, or changable, or shallow, or lustful, etc., but instead is as pure and uncomplicated as possible, while having a place of constancy in the heart, in a place where no one else can now enter...for that place is securely taken by "one"...

then and only then would that love represent, "the one my heart loves."

It is not a shallow or fleeting kind of love, obviously.

Favoritetune mentioned that guys are capable of having relationships with different nice, attractive and fun gals, but it isn't necessarily going all that deep. It seems the guy's heart could actually be pointed somewhere else.

I would think if there was a woman a man felt this way about: "she's the one my heart loves," then his level of love for any other woman would not be able to match it. And I would like to think that this kind of love is one that God firmly places in one's heart for them to experience and enjoy and be thankful to Him for. It's a gift. I guess I think that it's from God because it is in the book in the Bible which is an allegory to how Christ loves His bride, the Church, and we know that His love for us is not shallow but constant and pure, and nothing can separate us from it. We who know God, together, figuratively have become His bride, the "one His heart loves." God's kind of love is never ending.

So even if the man or the woman somehow find themselves in relationships with other people, their heart knows who they truly love and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Anyway, I hope that answers your question...maybe sort of...SoS? :)

About those two songs, SITD, and TWYLM, I thought you were in agreement all along with the way they are connected to the premise of this thread and felt the LITD girl has been around the whole time from when the first song came out to when the next song came out, (and after) and, that they were both about "her." No? But now from recent posts I'm thinking you don't think very many songs/lyrics are actually directly about "her," but maybe only a couple, and most songs are switching from this girl to that and could even just be talking about a generic girl. No?

Ashtanga

19-04-2012, 11:50 PM

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SoS

21-04-2012, 12:51 PM

^ ROTFL @ Ash's gif

:brow: Do you all have that "toolbar thingy" on the left side going up your screen??

Lisha thanks for your response to those queries and also I was wanting to quote where you point out the lyric from Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming from Jermaine's album. What made you choose the lyric, "tell me this is real, tell me how you feel, say its what we both believe in" ... ?

About the scripture, you mention that if the love passes "this" test ... and so my question for you is, what is the THIS you speak of? Do you mean the test of weighing the love affair against the spiritual properties of that scripture to see how it feels? The versions I've always seen that verse in, use the word, soul. Heart is an interesting way to see it written, thanks.

It seems the conversation is sort of 'hung up' or somewhat 'paused' at this thought which I mentioned a couple of pages back when I wrote:

On the one hand it could look sort of like a "who-dun-it" of romance when u look at the cast of players, being the women who were made visible one of which could be "the one" he would be with now if that theory were true -

After comments (stimulating a little more thought), I guess I would have to say I don't know how that would really fit. I guess since we're dealing with distringuishing the 'real' from the 'fiction', it seemed like a good idea at the time. I pretty much try to stick with obvserving the song lyrics 'out loud' by posting here and I guess the question would ultimately be, how much of MJ's real life would something of this nature (things he wrote from his spirit or what-have-u, however u say it) how would his real life be impacted by it.

I don't know maybe its the fact that ever since I was a kid (when the J5 were also kids) I've always kind of tried to imagine what life could really be like for Michael and all of them really because life showed me very early on that life can easily be one thing outwardly and be quite another inwardly. Everybody knows that nobody can be defined by their photo shoots as that kind of thing could be interepreted forever by each person who sees it, nor can anyone be defined by much of anything they say in the public eye and we know when it comes to songs it certaintly would be a tricky thing to discover what of it/them should be taken seriously or what have u. Sorry if it sounds like a trust issue but er hahahaha its just the way it is sometimes in mass communication with a little marketing tossed in and marketing of the largest selling song artist in the world. I mean there is that side of it that can't just be utterly ignored. We here are fans but we have to know there is an other side that MJ is always dealing with called other aspects of life. Once the camera is off, or the words have been printed or the whatever has been done whatever with, everybody goes home. So I guess there's a little of that type of thinking filtered in there too.

Back to the lyrics (and speaking of unconditional love and YANA) In YANA that line says, "but first I need ... " (your hand) so just thought I'd toss that in. I don't know if its what u could call 'conditional' love but does seem to be a 'condition' that MJ does require/need in order to have things be for him, if we're to listen to the lyrics to get the clues as we have been.

Time to get up already. I hope I"ve gotten the conversation unstuck? :errm:

BBsoon :)

:brow: maaaaan y'all sure do let it get awful quiet in here

*listening to the sound of birds chirping*

^ *laughs at your edit note* Well, see there, ya got that frustration communicated anyway!

"Iashl"? That doesn't quite sound American to me...hmmm. Where would be the origin of that name do you think? An 'h' and an 'el" together like that...

And, okay then, I'm sooooo good at asking self-explanatory questions. *sigh*

But I do agree with your impression that MJ would be after maintaining a balanced life. I think that seems true. And that is also wisdom, and something we should all strive for. I was just asking the Lord in my quiet time about a half hour ago, interestingly enough, to give me more balance in a certain area that I am struggling with.

That scripture in Song of Songs the Lord led me to awhile back when He was showing me something (when I asked Him about it) about how one would know if what they are feeling is real and true or not (regarding what would seem to be a romantic kind of love for the opposite sex). And I felt He was indicating to me that if the love in one's heart passes this test...that it is not a love in one's mind, or of a fanciful idea, or changable, or shallow, or lustful, etc., but instead is as pure and uncomplicated as possible, while having a place of constancy in the heart, in a place where no one else can now enter...for that place is securely taken by "one"...

then and only then would that love represent, "the one my heart loves."

It is not a shallow or fleeting kind of love, obviously.

Favoritetune mentioned that guys are capable of having relationships with different nice, attractive and fun gals, but it isn't necessarily going all that deep. It seems the guy's heart could actually be pointed somewhere else.

I would think if there was a woman a man felt this way about: "she's the one my heart loves," then his level of love for any other woman would not be able to match it. And I would like to think that this kind of love is one that God firmly places in one's heart for them to experience and enjoy and be thankful to Him for. It's a gift. I guess I think that it's from God because it is in the book in the Bible which is an allegory to how Christ loves His bride, the Church, and we know that His love for us is not shallow but constant and pure, and nothing can separate us from it. We who know God, together, figuratively have become His bride, the "one His heart loves." God's kind of love is never ending.

So even if the man or the woman somehow find themselves in relationships with other people, their heart knows who they truly love and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Anyway, I hope that answers your question...maybe sort of...SoS? :)

About those two songs, SITD, and TWYLM, I thought you were in agreement all along with the way they are connected to the premise of this thread and felt the LITD girl has been around the whole time from when the first song came out to when the next song came out, (and after) and, that they were both about "her." No? But now from recent posts I'm thinking you don't think very many songs/lyrics are actually directly about "her," but maybe only a couple, and most songs are switching from this girl to that and could even just be talking about a generic girl. No?

Are you going to tell me the answer to my long paragraph here is self-explanatory? You'll be being brave if you do!!!!

Lisha

21-04-2012, 09:25 PM

:brow: Do you all have that "toolbar thingy" on the left side going up your screen??

No, I don't. Wow, that sounds a bit annoying. I wonder why you are seeing that?

And SoS, your posts are always so meaty and stimulating. See, this is why we miss your posts. :) Thanks for posting!

Lisha thanks for your response to those queries and also I was wanting to quote where you point out the lyric from Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming from Jermaine's album. What made you choose the lyric, "tell me this is real, tell me how you feel, say its what we both believe in" ... ?
It has been brought up in here before, maybe even by you. You are always good at finding these nuggets in songs that are not so well known. I hadn't heard of the song, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming, until it was first mentioned in here. That song really fits in great with the "dream girl" theory and his maybe seing her in his dreams. That particular line, though, to me, really matches the "spiritual connection" theory, where he keeps "sensing her" in his spirit and hears her even. With that being their only way of connection, it would bring doubt at times, I should think, and make them wonder if they are in "it" alone.

So the question being asked, "Tell me this is real, tell me how you feel, say it's what we both believe in" is like either him or "her" seeking to know with certainy that they really do have a special soul-partner relationship going on, and have not been just imagining it. Or, one of them at times starts to wonder if the other has "given up" on it, leaving them alone as the only one who is still holding on and believing God will yet bring them together, for real.

About the scripture, you mention that if the love passes "this" test ... and so my question for you is, what is the THIS you speak of? Do you mean the test of weighing the love affair against the spiritual properties of that scripture to see how it feels? The versions I've always seen that verse in, use the word, soul. Heart is an interesting way to see it written, thanks.

The Bible I currently use is a big ol' thick NIV study Bible. I also own a comparative study Bible which compares the texts of about four different versions. But here is that same scripture (Song of Songs 3:1) using several versions:

~ (NIV) New International Version:

All night long on my bed I looked for the one my heart loves...

~ (NAS) New American Standard:

On my bed night after night I sought him whom my soul loves...

~ (NKJV) New King James Vesion:

By night on my bed I sought the one I love...

~ (KJ's) King James:

By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loveth...

~ (JW's) New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures:

On my bed during the nights I have sought the one whom my soul has loved...

~ Amplified:

In the night I dreamed that I sought for the one whom I love...

You are right that quite a few have translated the original text for that word as "soul." That word would be "Nephesh." Nephesh is translated in several ways, because it doesn't have a direct, corresponding word to it, and 15 times in the Bible it is translated as "heart," but many more times as "soul."

The meaning of Nephesh's root word is either "to breathe" or "life; vital breath." (I've found the above info, btw, online at a couple of places)

So, back to Solomon's verses,

if the Beloved, in S.O.S. (hey, SoS, there are your same initials!), loves her lover with such a love that it feels like it's a vital breath for her, then that is a powerful love. Maybe this intense love would bypass one's heart and go straight to the soul. It seems like the Beloved is only at peace when she knows that all is well with her and her lover. When he is not with her and she cannot find him, it's like she is gasping for breath.

It seems the conversation is sort of 'hung up' or somewhat 'paused' at this thought which I mentioned a couple of pages back when I wrote:

On the one hand it could look sort of like a "who-dun-it" of romance when u look at the cast of players, being the women who were made visible one of which could be "the one" he would be with now if that theory were true -

After comments (stimulating a little more thought), I guess I would have to say I don't know how that would really fit. It could be very well true; it's not that it is unbelievable, but seems inconsistent with the idea that he had asked God for a Love so Divine and then decides to just be with a woman who he knows is not "that love," but is okay with it anyway. :scratch:

I guess since we're dealing with distringuishing the 'real' from the 'fiction', it seemed like a good idea at the time. I pretty much try to stick with obvserving the song lyrics 'out loud' by posting here and I guess the question would ultimately be, how much of MJ's real life would something of this nature (things he wrote from his spirit or what-have-u, however u say it) how would his real life be impacted by it.
Good point. I like what you discuss next:

I don't know maybe its the fact that ever since I was a kid (when the J5 were also kids) I've always kind of tried to imagine what life could really be like for Michael and all of them really because life showed me very early on that life can easily be one thing outwardly and be quite another inwardly. Everybody knows that nobody can be defined by their photo shoots as that kind of thing could be interepreted forever by each person who sees it, nor can anyone be defined by much of anything they say in the public eye and we know when it comes to songs it certaintly would be a tricky thing to discover what of it/them should be taken seriously or what have u. Sorry if it sounds like a trust issue but er hahahaha its just the way it is sometimes in mass communication with a little marketing tossed in and marketing of the largest selling song artist in the world. I mean there is that side of it that can't just be utterly ignored. We here are fans but we have to know there is an other side that MJ is always dealing with called other aspects of life. Once the camera is off, or the words have been printed or the whatever has been done whatever with, everybody goes home. So I guess there's a little of that type of thinking filtered in there too.

Yes, MJ, or even others close to him answering questions about his love life would not necessarily give answers that fully explain what is truly going on. That being either from learning how to side-step, or only given a brief moment to answer... and that is not enough time to paint a full picture so it's just a "bit" given, or whatever. Speaking in front of others in public when you hope to be careful about the subject can make one guarded and do what they can on the spot to satisfy, but not give away the true story.

It makes me think of that scene in the film, Notting Hill, where the guy(Hugh Grant) is visiting on the set of the girl he loves, who is an actress. She doesn't realize that a tech guy, to help out, offers her guy a head device that will enable him to hear the dialogue of the scene when it takes place between her and the actor (who are quite a long distance away). Before the shoot the actor asks her what she feels about Hugh Grant's character and she answes in such a way that gives Hugh's character, since he can hear the whole thing, a "wake up call" Here he thought she was caring for him, but her words to this actor told him JUST the opposite. But the actress was answering in a way she thought was the most wise at that moment, just to give that guy an answer and lead him off the trail. She wanted to protect the situation because she really, really did care about Hugh's character.

Maybe if MJ ever eavesdropped on the LITD girl somewhere and she was asked her thoughts on Michael Jackson, the LITD girl would downplay it so no one would pick up on the truth of her feelings. She'd want to protect the very private situation she was experiencing with MJ though their "spiritual connection," wouldn't you think? I would hope he'd consider what she'd say before others carefully, like any of us should consider carefully what all he said publically or in song lyrics, and understand there would be very possibly more to it...just like you are saying SoS.

Cute how you said, "Sorry if it sounds like a trust issue..." haha. But I think you are right; we can't go completely by what we've heard.

This sounds like something Ash :) would say, but nobody can really know what is going on until they have the person with them and are talking with them face to face. Otherwise, there is uncertainty. And that is what the Beloved is experiencing when she can't reach her Lover and know from him face to face that all is well.

Back to the lyrics (and speaking of unconditional love and YANA) In YANA that line says, "but first I need ... " (your hand) so just thought I'd toss that in. I don't know if its what u could call 'conditional' love but does seem to be a 'condition' that MJ does require/need in order to have things be for him, if we're to listen to the lyrics to get the clues as we have been.
This is interesting. Is he needing the hand (her hand) from her? Or from someone else? The Old-Fashioned tradition was for the man to ask the girl's father for her hand in marriage. And at the wedding the father walks the girl down the aisle and hands her (and her hand) to the groom, who takes her hand and guides her next to him so they stand side be side to be joined together in holy matrimony.

If the LITD considers her foremost father to be her Heavenly Father, then He is the one who is in the place to give her hand to MJ. If it is to be a Love so Divine, no other should take that place. She may good and well wish to (in fact, longs to) extend her hand to him, but wisdom would cause her to wait on her Father God.

So it might be a "condition" for their life together to begin ("then forever can begin"), but not an indication of his putting a condition on her.

:brow: maaaaan y'all sure do let it get awful quiet in here

*listening to the sound of birds chirping* It really can get quiet. Perhaps it is because some are waiting for AllForMJ and are disappointed she hasn't been able to come back as of yet. But I enjoy chatting with you, SoS, in the meantime, and anyone else who wants to discuss these things you've been bringing up. :) You definitely get me thinkin'. :hug:

SoS

22-04-2012, 12:44 PM

Edit: Hahaha everytime I log back in my page automatically goes to your (Lshia's) post with emoticon with the little chef hat as you are saying there is not one that fits this description. rotfl!

Ah! Thanks for reminding me of songs I dug up for analyses. Good insights about the 'hand' aspect also. Also something you said made me realize that if we are looking at certain people still being around and living out their "dream" for a "normal" life that they would be with the very LITD as we type (?), and I'm trying to recall how we managed to keep other possibilities open because I think that other idea (that he found and is with the LITD) would pretty much have ended the thread but I don't (do you) recall how it has been continuing? :unsure:

Going back a moment to the spiritual connection and the bible and where u all were trying to asertain whether any such things had ever happened in the bible - I was just feeling to say that perhaps because of the bible being God's way of communicating His perfect will and God being only Spirit, it would be tricky to look for some "signs" of romance between a man and a woman because I'm not feeling that at the forefront of God's purpose lies romance in and of itself at all. I feel its possible that those rare accounts where it occurs, it is a relationship directly related to His dvine purpose and since it originates from his amazing Spirit it culminates in what appears to the human as being "romance" but because God is so mystical so that many things appear to have that "romance quality" when they are simply things that are real in the Spirit realm and it seems that when it gets translated by a human it gets interpreted.

Such as with the Song of Songs for instance which as you were pointing out, is amazingly not a 'romance' story but a prophecy about Christ and the church according to many biblical commentaries but who would take any other tack than romantic let's face it. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if two people have a 'spiritual connection' then I'm guessing that probably does not originate with an intention of "romance" but to onlookers perhaps a spiritual exchange between two people of the opposite gender could appear to be quite "cute" or quite "romantic" when its just a spiritual connection. I dunno, just another way of looking at it, maybe although someone else may have already mentioned this :unsure:

p.s. I don't feel we have to resort to identifying people rather than to stick to trying to ascertain our story lines <<:big_boss: just stick to tha story line willyas

I hope no one will take that line of 'story telling' as disrespectful to anyone in the Jackson family or friends who knows otherwise to be true in anything we post. If we are going to 'go here' as we have agreed is safe, we still must be quite careful. Just as a reminder, the LITD theory came from Michael's music itself. Any analysis of the new 'theory' we have agreed to explore should at least be examined through the "filter" of the music. jmho :flowers:

Lisha

23-04-2012, 01:31 AM

Lshia? Come on, you're not even tryin' now. Geeesh. *rolls eyes*

....if we are looking at certain people still being around and living out their "dream" for a "normal" life that they would be with the very LITD as we type (?), and I'm trying to recall how we managed to keep other possibilities open because I think that other idea (that he found and is with the LITD) would pretty much have ended the thread but I don't (do you) recall how it has been continuing? :unsure:

At the moment it doesn't really seem much like it is continuing. And I was wondering if partially it had to do with what your added disclaimer here is about:

I hope no one will take that line of 'story telling' as disrespectful to anyone in the Jackson family or friends who knows otherwise to be true in anything we post. If we are going to 'go here' as we have agreed is safe, we still must be quite careful.

This latest theory is a tricky and sensitive one. As far as finding MJ song lyrics to stay in line with it, we'd have trouble post June 25, 2009...maybe "a place with no name" could be used and I think it was used briefly when this subject first was brought up. Or that song just posted "Take Me Away" but that was not written by MJ. As far as pre June 25, 2009...well, MP has brought up Heaven Can Wait, and I think the song, Xscape, could work, with such lyrics as:

I've got to, find a place,
So I won't hide away

Xscape, got to get away from a system lose in the world
today
Xscape, the pressure that I face from relationships
that go away
Xscape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that
hassle this man
Xscape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but
me

(Girl)
Sometimes I feel like
I've gotta get away

Other than that, can anyone think of songs that would stay with what SoS is suggesting here:

Just as a reminder, the LITD theory came from Michael's music itself. Any analysis of the new 'theory' we have agreed to explore should at least be examined through the "filter" of the music. jmho :flowers:

This here,

I feel its possible that those rare accounts where it occurs, it is a relationship directly related to His divine purpose and since it originates from his amazing Spirit it culminates in what appears to the human as being "romance" but because God is so mystical so that many things appear to have that "romance quality" when they are simply things that are real in the Spirit realm and it seems that when it gets translated by a human it gets interpreted.
I think this is right on. Good insight. I kind of have a problem with Romance being in and of itself...being seen as the ulltimate culmination. I think it must be lovely in a relationship, but I would hope (with God involved) there could be so much more to it...a deeper purpose for bringing two people together.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if two people have a 'spiritual connection' then I'm guessing that probably does not originate with an intention of "romance" but to onlookers perhaps a spiritual exchange between two people of the opposite gender could appear to be quite "cute" or quite "romantic" when its just a spiritual connection.
Well, I think why in here we have made this spiritual connection as a romantic thing is because from the beginning AllForMJ has highlighted lyrics from songs that talk of his romantic love and attraction for someone. I suppose the lyrics for Speechless could just be talking about a special, mystical, holy kind of spiritual connection between the two of them. But when you get to the lyrics of The Way You Love Me, then how can we not picture him talking about his having romantic feelings about the girl? He talks about holding hands, and kissing, and touching, and hugging, and moonlight. And several songs we've quoted in here show he was "likin what he was seeing" with some girl...like in Got the Hots, and Streetwalker, and The Way You Make Me Feel, and She Drives Me Wild, to name a few.

But one time, SoS, I think it was you that said this, it was brought up that initially MJ may have had that "kind" of attraction for the girl, but over time, the kind of love he had for her changed to something of more depth. So maybe it became more of a spiritual thing afterall, and so this would fit your phrasing of "when it's just a spiritual connection."

p.s. I don't feel we have to resort to identifying people rather than to stick to trying to ascertain our story lines <<:big_boss:

Okay, boss..I dona wanna any broken legs or horse heads inna ma bed.

Wait! Just a second! There was a cook.....

Oh, I'll stop that. Like RIGHT NOW! :angel:

But back to the first thing I quoted, SoS, where you talk of us in here coming to a conclusion within this latest theory that persons who wanted to live a normal life would be with the LITD as we type...so why continue...

Well, that was, true, one way we looked at it, but we also examined the possibility that she isn't with him yet cause it might have become tricky or unwise or who knows what for them to be together.

Ape, you brought up, like it has been brought up several times I think in here, because it is- hard to understand, and it's that question "Why couldn't they be together? What would stop him from going to get his girl?" And if we stick with what you are saying SoS, it would seem logical if he succeeded in blending into a normal life, then what would stop him now from being with "her"? And maybe nothing. Yeah, they might be. We haven't been able to come up sufficiently yet on our own with an idea on why they could be kept apart. Have you thought of anything yet, Ape?

8701girl

23-04-2012, 02:59 AM

I am so sorry guys for slacking off of this thread , i always try to but get so caught up with everything else that is going in :banghead:

MysteriousPhoenix

23-04-2012, 01:55 PM

... And if we stick with what you are saying SoS, it would seem logical if he succeeded in blending into a normal life, then what would stop him now from being with "her"? And maybe nothing. Yeah, they might be. We haven't been able to come up sufficiently yet on our own with an idea on why they could be kept apart. Have you thought of anything yet, Ape?

Maybe he is on a mission from God? However, I have been thinking about this whole "mission from God" thing, and this is a difficult question for me to ask, but if he is doing something like that, how did he know for sure this was something God really wanted him to do?

I mean, sometimes I think we can get a little carried away and get ahead of God and sometimes misinterpret His will for our lives and such. I wonder if it was actaully God's intention and will for him to be united with his LITD, and thinking that he was the new savior of the world, he felt he had to take on some ridiculously impossible mission that God never intended for him to take on, and maybe by doing that he really threw everything off and now God has had to come up with some last minute plan "B" that will still work in the end due to the fact that God knows everything we are gonna do in advance anyway (including our mistakes) and probably accounts for it, but the "new" plan just isn't His perfect will.

Lisha

23-04-2012, 06:43 PM

Maybe he is on a mission from God? However, I have been thinking about this whole "mission from God" thing, and this is a difficult question for me to ask, but if he is doing something like that, how did he know for sure this was something God really wanted him to do?

Wow, you ask some good questions here, MP! And it is interesting that what you bring up above and below is basically what the message was about at the church I was at yesterday morning. The pastor was talking about trying different things as a young man as far as figuring out what vocation he should have, and when he tried something that was not God's will something felt wrong inside...something didn't seem to fit. But when he finally gave a try to something that was God's will for him, he described it as his feeling a puzzle piece suddenly being placed and fitting perfectly inside a place in his heart. It felt so right. I was wondering if he would eventually say "it felt like home" because that is often how it feels for me if I go somewhere and there is a "fit" for me. Sure enough, he did use that analogy to bring the point "home". lol.

If we try having a relationship with someone, for an example, and it is not one that is in the Lord's will, I bet many of us have felt this nagging feeling something wasn't quite right, but perhaps ignore it anyway because we wish for it to work out. I always remember hearing older and wiser and experienced people saying that when you fall in love you with the right person, you'll just know. But how can one recognize it when they have yet to experience it...so we think maybe this what doesn't quite feel right, really is right but we are being picky, and unrealistic expecting it to be perfect. We make excuses. It is like we will only get to know in hindsight when it is really right...but that's not helpful!

I think we need to pay more attention to that little feeling deep inside our hearts when "something feels wrong" because I think from my experience now, and even what the pastor shared, that yes, something is not as it should be, and it is not God's will.

From my experience of what I've observed, when it is God's will for us, it is clear, but when it is not God's will, it is not as clear and we try to make it work. But if it is not clear, that probably means something...keep seeking God then for clarity.

I mean, sometimes I think we can get a little carried away and get ahead of God and sometimes misinterpret His will for our lives and such. I wonder if it was actaully God's intention and will for him to be united with his LITD, and thinking that he was the new savior of the world, he felt he had to take on some ridiculously impossible mission that God never intended for him to take on, and maybe by doing that he really threw everything off and now God has had to come up with some last minute plan "B" that will still work in the end due to the fact that God knows everything we are gonna do in advance anyway (including our mistakes) and probably accounts for it, but the "new" plan just isn't His perfect will.

The other thing discussed in the message was the happy reminder that God can fix our mistakes and does indeed have a plan B if we veered too far from plan A. So MP, you could have taken the mic yesterday and preached it, sister! :clapping:

Maybe because God gives us free will to make our own choices, His "perfect will" is the end result He's after and the way we get there is secondary, for He knows we will inevitably take wrong turns for He gave us free will and choice to decide what we do most of the time. But no matter what He will get us there, to His desired end result. So it might not be that big of a deal if we take a misstep, He can use it all in our growth in Him.

So if MJ made a misstep and heard God wrong, I can't believe he's too far off, especially with such a major decision, like blending in to have a normal life, and stop being Michael Jackson.

Consider how many adjustments he would be experiencing. MJ was always humble and didn't seem to have a big head about his celebrity, but being Michael Jackson did have some perks and did open doors for him, maybe even saved him from unpleasant situations for he might have immediate favor from those who admired him as that super star.

All that would be gone; no more leaning on his name, "Michael Jackson" and all that could mean at times to others. And that goes for opening doors in the area of philanthropy as well. Celebrities are very welcomed in that area. And if MJ went to an orphanage or children's hospital all he had to say is 'I'm Michael Jackson, can I come and visit and bless and donate, etc" and the fuss would be great for he was immediately known... "What an honor! Can you imagine, Michael Jackson coming here, to us!" How very welcome he'd be and all would be done to accommodate him.

But an everyday Joe, would not be received in the same way and the doors would not as easily open. He'd have to go through the normal, tedious redtape. MJ relied, even if he didn't think about it, on all his connections that he gathered all those years in the entertainment business. That came in handy, I am sure, many, many times. He knew so many people and it would take just a phone call. All that would be different.

Do you see that this would be a huge life changing decision that seems, to me, like God would stop if it wasn't His will. But also, you can see how much God could use this for further growth in Michael...Michael would learn things he never could in the way his life was set up as Michael Jackson. God could bring him into a whole new level of depth. And he already had a lot of it.

Maybe that's more important than romance.

If this were the case, I frankly can't imagine there being any woman who could have even close the same level of depth, of understanding, and wisdom and character, that MJ would have after experiencing both these worlds from his unique perspective. What woman could really be an appropriate match for him? Boggles the mind.

Even if he was out there somewhere and met a nice woman who is just everyday, like he always wanted probably, to fall in love the everyday way...just as an everyday man with a regular everyday woman like people do all over the world and have for centuries. But, thinking this through, he possiible couldn't have that, exactly like he would hope, for she wouldn't be able to relate to his other world, and/or what if he could never tell her who he really was, for we are talking as if he has a whole new identity, right? She couldn't be a true comfort to him in that area...not really. She wouldn't/couldn't understand...and having secrets between yourself and your mate is not good, especially one that large. So he would, I should think, still have to find someone who knew him both ways...before and after, so she could have a better chance at understanidng more about him, but...and this is the big BUT, still have the character to deal with it all.

MP, maybe he is not with "her" (the LITD girl if she exists and if we continue in this vein of this fantastical theory) because... things have not lined up yet and God is still getting her ready. But again, I'm having trouble picture any woman being suitable for a man such as this...not because of his talent, or past fame, but because of his vast life experience and how much depth this has brought him.

And if God would do this amazing "design" of this man's life that would bring him to such a depth of understanding, then MJ would have still quite the call on his life. It could be an enormous one...but maybe a more hidden one now, but very effective.

MP thanks so much for posting these thoughts! Man, heavy. :hug:

I miss Ape's wisdom and input. :(

And Hi, 8701girl! :ciao: So the forum is keeping ya busy, huh? No worries, come when the mood hits ya!

Ashtanga

23-04-2012, 11:16 PM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

^ ROTFL @ Ash's gif

:P

:brow: Do you all have that "toolbar thingy" on the left side going up your screen??

Where? I'm not seeing it. :unsure:

we can't go completely by what we've heard.

This sounds like something Ash :) would say, but nobody can really know what is going on until they have the person with them and are talking with them face to face. Otherwise, there is uncertainty. And that is what the Beloved is experiencing when she can't reach her Lover and know from him face to face that all is well.

Exactly!!!

Ape

23-04-2012, 11:29 PM

I miss Ape's wisdom and input. :(

:hug::) Thank you for thinking of me. I do have quite a bit to say on what you've said here and some other points others have mentioned. I've got to get ready for my rehearsals right away but once I get the chance I'll type something hopefully worth reading :). Take care everyone!

8701girl

24-04-2012, 01:46 AM

nd Hi, 8701girl! http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/funny/ciao.gif So the forum is keeping ya busy, huh? No worries, come when the mood hits ya!

HI! :waving: yep it is lol

Favoritetune

24-04-2012, 02:54 PM

Dang so many things I've read lately and wanted to comment about but forgive me cause I'm gonna limit myself to the most recent posts.

SOS you said

"it would be tricky to look for some "signs" of romance between a man and a woman because I'm not feeling that at the forefront of God's purpose lies romance in and of itself at all. I feel its possible that those rare accounts where it occurs, it is a relationship directly related to His dvine purpose and since it originates from his amazing Spirit it culminates in what appears to the human as being "romance" but because God is so mystical so that many things appear to have that "romance quality" when they are simply things that are real in the Spirit realm and it seems that when it gets translated by a human it gets interpreted.

"Such as with the Song of Songs for instance which as you were pointing out, is amazingly not a 'romance' story but a prophecy about Christ and the church according to many biblical commentaries but who would take any other tack than romantic let's face it. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that if two people have a 'spiritual connection' then I'm guessing that probably does not originate with an intention of "romance" but to onlookers perhaps a spiritual exchange between two people of the opposite gender could appear to be quite "cute" or quite "romantic" when its just a spiritual connection. I dunno, just another way of looking at it, maybe although someone else may have already mentioned this "

there are some things i dont agree with you on. See God compares His relationship with mankind as that of husband and wife or should i say what a husband and wife relationship is suppose to be. It is faithful, romantic and loving. I think that is why the song of solomen is written in such a way, it's intense, deep, sensual and spiritual and yes it speaks of love between a man and a woman and Christ and the church intentionally.

God created love, male and female, husband and wife and some believe the human soul is comprised of half a persons full being as in the person they marry or should marry is the other half of them. some believe that is why God took the rib from adam and created eve cause she was a part of him. food for thought.

MP girl you went deep. I'm not sure who said anything about MJ being on a mission from God but i think i can answer your question. a scripture in the bible says my sheep know my voice and if MJ went on some mission i'm sure he'd know clearly God was guiding him before taking on a task.

you also said

"I mean, sometimes I think we can get a little carried away and get ahead of God and sometimes misinterpret His will for our lives and such. I wonder if it was actaully God's intention and will for him to be united with his LITD, and thinking that he was the new savior of the world, he felt he had to take on some ridiculously impossible mission that God never intended for him to take on, and maybe by doing that he really threw everything off and now God has had to come up with some last minute plan "B" that will still work in the end due to the fact that God knows everything we are gonna do in advance anyway (including our mistakes) and probably accounts for it, but the "new" plan just isn't His perfect will. "

if MJ took on as you say some "ridiculously impossible mission" only God could see him through and if he did so then it should be expected he'd have opposition and would seem like everything was thrown off like when the 3 guys in the bible got thrown in the fire, who would have expected that? they were faithful to God and men plotted against them and got them thrown in the fire but then the men who threw them in the fire were the ones to burn and when the king looked inside the fire he saw 4 3 men and one who appeared as the son of God. i think it's in our greatest tribulations that we see God show up so great that others can see Him too. we all know those 3 came out of that fire unharmed. the bible is full of stories like that so if MJ is on some mission he would have to know and love God to accept it and God never fails His people. there are times when things look bad though, times when we think evil is winning like with the 3 guys and the fire, or even Jesus dying on the cross but God moves in mysterious ways so what may seem like a set back when God is in the mix often has to do with Him allowing us to see how great He is. I recently heard about God calling gideon and sending him on a mission to fight this huge vast army and when Gideon could have had maybe thousands of men which still would have been less God took huge portions of them away in huge chunks before the battle. eventually gideon was down to like 300 men to fight thousands. well some could have thought things were wrong when gideon sent away a lot of soldiers and then sent away even more but he was following God as His prophet and it was all in God's plan. it's a great scripture if you get a chance read it.

If MJ has a litd why would you think God would not be so loving as to bring them together? abraham had a promise for a son and he was in his older years before God brought that into fruition so time is what God looks at as His timing. He does things when it's His time and doesn't care how old a person is cause He knows whats right and best. the biggest problem a lot of people have is losing faith in God's will and if you look at the life of job you'll see the people closest to you are often your biggest enemies in trying times instead of encouraging him they accused him, his wife told him to curse God and die but she was the one who wound up dying i think and God blessed job with a new life and a new wife and i bet He gave him one that was faithful to Him.

Hey Lisha

"if the Beloved, in S.O.S. (hey, SoS, there are your same initials!), loves her lover with such a love that it feels like it's a vital breath for her, then that is a powerful love. Maybe this intense love would bypass one's heart and go straight to the soul. It seems like the Beloved is only at peace when she knows that all is well with her and her lover. When he is not with her and she cannot find him, it's like she is gasping for breath."

well put, i imagine true love can be just like that

MysteriousPhoenix

24-04-2012, 09:36 PM

Ape

24-04-2012, 09:55 PM

That's the second time you've mentioned Melissa. Is there something you'd like to tell us MP? :)

MysteriousPhoenix

25-04-2012, 01:28 PM

That's the second time you've mentioned Melissa. Is there something you'd like to tell us MP? :)

Yeah, I'm thinking I ought to avoid posting songs with a first name in them. lol! Although ... I am kinda fond of the name "Chiquitita." In Spanish this means "little girl." You could still call a grown woman that. It would be considered a cute little term of endearment.

Favoritetune

25-04-2012, 06:37 PM

Yeah, I'm sure if he could, he would encourage his "chiquitita." Or is her name Melissa? Oh, I dunno!

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I'm sure if she's the faith filled lady that we've presumed her to be she's already encouraged and trusting God concerning MJ

Lisha

25-04-2012, 08:22 PM

Yeah, I'm sure if he could, he would encourage his "chiquitita." Or is her name Melissa? Oh, I dunno!

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MP, now, now, no direct names, please refer to her only by "Lola", her stage name, from now on.

I like these lines from this song, MP

Now I see you've broken a feather
I hope we can patch it up together

If MJ and his LITD girl (fantastical theory applied) are still not together, and like you say, "I"m sure if he could" then there isn't much encouragement going on. He might be having to rely on the Lord to keep "her" going and encouraged. And vice-versa.

FT, I'm gonna give you a big AMEN for that post of yours. You applied the word of God so well, with really excellent examples!

...God compares His relationship with mankind as that of husband and wife or should i say what a husband and wife relationship is suppose to be. It is faithful, romantic and loving. I think that is why the song of solomen is written in such a way, it's intense, deep, sensual and spiritual and yes it speaks of love between a man and a woman and Christ and the church intentionally.

Yeah, this whole thing about: are we just looking at it now as MJ and the LITD girl having nothing romantic involved but only something on a spiritual level...well, it affected my dreaming I think two nights ago. I'm going to say straight out that rarely, rarely do I have romantic, mushy, touchy(literally)-feely type dreams! But this dream I had would probably be the kind female MJ fans would all love to have. haha. But very unusual for me.

I remember Moddie being at the level in her dreaming where God would have her in her dream be representing others, not herself, and she had dreams with her that she shared in here, but she knew she was representing the LITD girl. So this maybe is what is going on here in my dream...I dunno. Dreams are so hard to figure out. I'm a prolific dreamer, by the way. I get so many, and so many are just plan confusing. :scratch:

Anyway, it starts off with a female MJ fan who was beautiful, very full-figured, any man would see her as whistle-bait. And she knew that Michael was going to be coming by a short distance from where were and she asked me if I would help her carry something too big and cumbersome fo her to manage alone. So she just sort of recruited me on the spot; I had nothing to do with her gift for MJ, which was a large, tall cake she had made with cake pops sticking out of the smaller top layer and pretty frosting; it was really creative. So I said I'd help her carry it, and she said, "Wait, should I put on another gold necklace, do I look alright? I want to look as pretty as possible for Michael." But even after I said, "You look fine with the one necklace," she went ahead anyway I put on a second, which was a simple gold chain with a charm. The charm was of the playboy logo. And I thought, she is that kind of attractive, over the top alluring, like a playboy bunny.

So anyway, we go over to where MJ is now coming and he has some fans coming at him, and the girl I'm helping is stressing to get over to him at just the right time. And then we both at the same moment lose our balance and the cake slides off what we are holding it on, and topples onto the ground. She just looks down at it mortified. And I see MJ coming upon us and I hurry to try to salvage something of the cake, so this heartbroken girl can give him something...so he can see how creative she was. So the top tier had not touched the ground, but was still resting on top of the rest of the mushed cake, so I took that, and I placed the cake pops back in position in it, and stood up to present that to MJ for her. MJ was now standing there looking down at her cake mushed up on the ground; he obviously immediately had figured out what had hapened, and his face filled with compassion.

He assumed I was apart of this, it seemed, and he gave me, and her both, such a look of kindness. I then showed him the small cake I had now, and let him know this girl had put all her heart into it, and he thanked her sincerely, and hugged her.

So I'm thinking about now, wow, he probably is loving hugging THIS girl, man, she's a beauty, but I saw him hug her gently and not tight at all and he patted her on her back a few times, and released her, and thanked her once again with a kind smile. Then a couple more fans jumped in and got hugs from him, and he hugged them all the same way. Then he motioned for me to get a hug, and I wasn't even expecting one, but I thought (if this is even me in the dream, remember) yes, I would like a hug, actually, but it won't be romantic. So I let him hug me, and he gave me a light hug, and I felt the pats on my back and I said to myself, "see, just like any other fan...it's not romantic...it's his generous spirit." And I started to pull away, at what I thought was after an appropriate amount of time.

But, to my surprise, he looked at me, right in my eyes, and didn't release his hold. Instead, he pulled me back into a hug (now it's becoming like a dream every female fan would enjoy! haha)... and he held me so so tight. And I thought in the dream how wonderful it felt, and it was affecting my heart very much, I was melting, my heart and my body, right into his arms. It was a looong hug and just when I was thinking, because we all know all hugs must come to an end eventually, "Is the hug going to end now?" But at that moment when I asked myself this, MJ looks at me and says very deeply, as if with his whole heart, "I don't want to let go of you" and I looked back and filled with emotion said, "I don't want to let go of you either" and then...oh boy...here we go...I don't dream these kind of dreams...he kissed me and it was the most passionate, romantic, full of love kiss I have ever experienced (not that I'm all that experienced. lol). And again I'm thinking, this kiss is lasting so long knowing, yes, kisses also must come to an end, but I knew I didn't want this connection to end. But then, I woke up...
...but the romantic love feeling stayed with me, as I was laying there in bed, and I felt the Lord's Spirit. And I then remembered this discussion here about the LITD girl and MJ, involving the questioning of: was it a romantic or just a spiritual conection they were having? I kind of thought my dream was confirming that their love connection does include the romantic aspect, but maybe "she", like some of us, had begun to doubt it.

MP girl you went deep. I'm not sure who said anything about MJ being on a mission from God but i think i can answer your question. a scripture in the bible says my sheep know my voice and if MJ went on some mission i'm sure he'd know clearly God was guiding him before taking on a task.
Yeah, we sheep do recognize His voice, but sometimes we start to stray and He has to take the hook end of His staff and pull us back in line. *sigh* But He turns it all to good. :) (it make take awhile, though...)

if MJ took on as you say some "ridiculously impossible mission" only God could see him through and if he did so then it should be expected he'd have opposition He could experience opposition either way.

... like when the 3 guys in the bible got thrown in the fire You used a great example out of the book of Daniel here, and I really like how you tied in this...
...what may seem like a set back when God is in the mix often has to do with Him allowing us to see how great He is.
God was in the process of a mighty deliverance for Meshach, Shadrach and Obednego, and He showed himself (revealed himself) there with them in the flames as it was happening, like you say...and He got all the glory. I would like to think if MJ is (fantastical theory applied) on some Mission from God that he is also pointing to his God and Deliverer, so Jesus can have all the glory. Not MJ.

I recently heard about God calling gideon... The story of Gideon in the book of Judges is one of my personal favorites because Gideon didn't see himself as much when God called Him, reminding God he was the least of his tribe and family, and certainly didn't see himself as a "mighty warrior." I have had that kind of dialogue with God a lot. And yet the story reminds us that God can and will accomplish it all using weak, little us, if we just have faith, are willing to obey, and "let Him." Yes, God dismissed more and more of Gideon's army intentionally so it was down to so few, and the odds were stacked high against them; and if I remember the story correctly even the remaining men didn't do anything, but God on His own fought their enemy in a supernatural way. There was no doubt in the end, regardless, that God won that battle and not man.

If MJ has a litd why would you think God would not be so loving as to bring them together? Well, God's ways are not our way, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, so even though I would agree with you that it just seems like our loving God would plan to give MJ this joy in the end, He may have His reasons to not. :( But this is where faith comes in, If MJ is still out there hoping for this, then hopefully he is still praying and trusting God for it. And, likewise, "her." And then they wait and see. We always want a sign that shows us that God will give us the promise we believe He has told us He will give us, but in the Bible so often God says to His servants that after the fact....after He has come through for them and given them the promise, THEN they will know (get their sign) that He is their God and keeps His word and promises. He told Moses that after he and the Israelites have successfully escaped Pharoah and crossed over to the desert and Moses himself is back on that same mountain where he is now asking God, 'but how will I know You will do this?" God said, "THEN you will know that I am your God and do what I promise." So it may be with MJ and his LITD girl (if she exists and fantastical theory applied) that AFTER they are in each others' arms THEN they will know that God is a God who fulfilled His promise to them in their lives! And who will get the glory? God.

... if you look at the life of job you'll see the people closest to you are often your biggest enemies in trying times instead of encouraging...This can be so true. Especially if it has to do with something God has promised you that no one will believe themselves as being possible. They will say you are delusional and into fantasy. Think of Noah...wow, yet he kept building that ridiculous ark in lovely clear weather. It's best to keep a special promise like that to oneself...then again, God might just want it to be known to some others, so later, when He -does- make the "fantasy" into a reality, those same people will be blown away. God will have gotten their attention. One has to be strong and stay focused, standing on the fact that deep inside they know what they know God has told them. That would be Noah, as he was mocked and treated with scorn, that would be Joshua as he led his men around the walls of Jericho seven times, and that was Michael Jackson, more than once in his life I'm sure, when he had vision and set his goals high and believed with faith.

Maybe MJ believing God will bring him and his Love so Divine girl together one day is in this category. Will we shake our heads and mock him?

[Job's] wife told him to curse God and die but she was the one who wound up dying i think and God blessed job with a new life and a new wife and i bet He gave him one that was faithful to Him.

Interestingly, recently I reread the end of Job and although I have always assumed God enabled Job's wife, (even though she must have been older, seeing as she had all those grown children who died when the roof fell on them) to have a slew of more children. Yet this last time I thought...hmm, could be possible she died and he remarried someone younger who gave him his next batch of children. And I thought maybe it could have been because her faith waned and her belief in Job waned. It is not clear though. It is an easy thing for the Lord to cause a woman beyond child bearing years to give birth, if He wants to do that. Job stood in the gap and forgave his friends, and prayed for them, and perhaps he did this for his wife as well. And God gave them a new start together. But as I say, it is not clear in the wording of the book of Job in this area.

Hey Lisha

"if the Beloved, in S.O.S. (hey, SoS, there are your same initials!), loves her lover with such a love that it feels like it's a vital breath for her, then that is a powerful love. Maybe this intense love would bypass one's heart and go straight to the soul. It seems like the Beloved is only at peace when she knows that all is well with her and her lover. When he is not with her and she cannot find him, it's like she is gasping for breath."

well put, i imagine true love can be just like thatOh, thank you. :)

EDIT: Looks like you posted, FT, while I was posting. You are a great support to the LITD girl and MJ; you have lots of faith for them, it seems, and keep very positive for them. Even still. You would make a good cheerleader. :flowers: *passes FT a pom-pom*

Also, FT, your recent long post was nicely organized in way that made it more readable, thank you!

Ape you came by and just gave a quicky post! Where's your long one that I'm waiting for. You said you have things to say... :)

MysteriousPhoenix

27-04-2012, 08:48 PM

Lainy

28-04-2012, 03:41 AM

Wow! What a great thread again! I'm so glad with the directions of this thread... Thanks ladies

Lisha

28-04-2012, 10:15 PM

Very interesting dream. I'll have to come back and try to interpret it. Reminds me of that song that goes: "Someone left my cake out in the rain ... and I'll never have that recipe agaaaaain for looooooooove!" lol!

Leave it to you, MP, to bring new insight and the perfect song to go with it! :clapping: I never thought about interpreting that cake as representing that girl's (the really beauteous fan's) own love for MJ, and that is so interesting to me now that you suggest this...wow. Hmm. Do you think the girl with the cake could be one of or "the" 3D girl, who has for several years been actually "in" MJ's life and conscientiously worked on her relationship with him, by always being there for him, etc? And her effort that she put out in this area is the cake? And what's also interesting is that when I typed out the dream for you all, I was going to put the word "disappointed" but then for some reason changed it to "broken hearted" for how she was over her cake falling and becoming unpresentable or no longer givable, or...no longer appealing...? Gosh. And Michael in the dream was sad for her, but still his hug showed that he didn't feel that "romantic way" about her. But it's nice to see that the LITD girl, if that is who I was representing, was caring towards her and felt sad about it along with her. Hmm. *still thinking...*

Another thing I forgot to mention and I don't know if it has any significance, but the MJ in the dream was not from the eras I usually see him from in the few dreams I've had with him. Most commonly he is Bad era MJ or Thriller MJ and an occasional "recent" MJ from around 2008. In this dream he looked like MJ from the early 2000's and I think even specifically 2003. I wonder why he was "that" MJ?

The only significant thing I can really think of in how 2003 applies to us here, is that (we have discussed and explored this idea in posts) it is then when MJ's thoughts once again came back to "her" and he showed that, perhaps intentionally, through the song, One More Chance, which we know was released in 2003.

I wonder if this 3D girl in the dream was around in 2003, and felt superceded by the LITD girl as MJ's thoughts and heart turned again towards her, his secret love, and this girl, picking up on it, figuratively watched her cake that took so long to bake, come to nothing. :( And the reason (interpretation perhaps) for her to ask about another necklace is because "she wanted to be pretty enough for MJ" and even the playboy charm, could indicate that she did "whatever" necessary to help her physically hold her own among the lovely celebrity women he was always around. And imagine her realization when she came to understand, that that is not, or never has been, what MJ's heart looks at, maybe she came to understand when she took a look at the LITD girl, the one he hugged with such feeling, who probably looks very everyday and not "Hollywood" at all. Wow. Are you guys thinking that, or do you think the LITD girl would have to be beautiful on the outside to be deserving enough for MJ?

I'm wondering if this dream was more telling about a particular 3D girl then it is about the LITD girl (if she exists). :unsure:

MP, you did it again... man, heavy.

Here's Mac Arthur's Park,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOyxFQaxjs

To any heart broken 3D women out there, I would like to point them to these lyrics in this song, and I'll word them this way :hug: ,

There will be another song for you, and you will sing it
There will be another dream for you, someone will bring it

Wow! What a great thread again! I'm so glad with the directions of this thread... Thanks ladies
Aw, Lainy, thanks for always being so affirming to us in here and our posts. :hug: Hope you'll post some of your thoughts soon, too! :flowers:

I'm sure if she's the faith filled lady that we've presumed her to be she's already encouraged and trusting God concerning MJ
Back to this, FT...I've bolded some words in there, because they remind me of the song I heard on the radio yesterday. I really like Sade; she has a great style, and these lyrics here seem to be a lot of what may be goin' (or went on) with MJ and the LITD girl (if she exists) and what they would maybe like to say to each other to encourage one another and keep them strong and full of faith for their love:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCX518FBhjU

This song is hard to keep still with. :) I love the beats that Sade uses in her songs.

Anyway, these lyrics in particular stand out:

It's about faith
It's about trust (yeah, yeah)
It's about faith
It's about trust

MysteriousPhoenix

29-04-2012, 06:33 PM

Wow! When you associate "Mac Arthur's Park" with the "3D" women, it really makes sense - especially the lyric:

"Spring was never waiting for us, Dear. It ran one step ahead as we followed in the dance ..."

It's as if they're saying, "We never stood a chance up against your LITD woman that you love so much." Wow! I never thought about their perspective before. It must feel like their cake was left out in the rain. Yeah, and where in the heck ARE they gonna find a recipe for something like that again? They probably felt lucky it happened at all the first time around. I guess they would have to wait for a new dream. Powerful how the lyrics state:

"And after all the loves of my life, you'll still be the one and I'll ask myself why."

Would probably be hard to find a replacement for MJ. Feel kinda sorry for the replacements.

Btw, really like that Sade song. The lyrics remind me of a message I might hear preached at church!

lulubelle

01-05-2012, 10:02 PM

I love this thread, that is all I want to say. :)

Magicgirl

03-05-2012, 07:53 PM

this is all so sad... Did someone here manage to go to MJ's grave to put some flowers? I wonder why couldn't one's brain or personality be recorded like some computer program, then one could live forever so to say. Retuning to the subject of discussion now... I think this LITD girl was some kind of defense reaction. When we get too much hurt or disappointed in people, in love, there is always this fantasy girl or boy a person can go to in his/her mind, which is ideal, good, kind or whatever and is everything the person dreams of.

Ape

03-05-2012, 09:02 PM

hmmm, makes sense. I think I need a defense reaction to my defense reaction (ie: someone real I can go to instead of the one in my mind that just makes me lonely..lol)

MysteriousPhoenix

08-05-2012, 04:16 PM

Ashtanga

08-05-2012, 10:59 PM

I think they are trying to bring him back to life by way of hologram.

:fear:

Ape

12-05-2012, 03:22 AM

Well... did we get to the last page of this thread ya think? Is this it?

MysteriousPhoenix

12-05-2012, 04:23 PM

Last page??? Oh, no! Say it ain't so, Joe! I think I feel a song coming on! (Really, MP? You're kidding!)

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8701girl

16-05-2012, 03:32 AM

andrea72

16-05-2012, 08:17 AM

Seeing as cake has been mentioned, i know someone who makes up cake songs.

Ashtanga

17-05-2012, 02:15 AM

:shifty:

And popcorn???? :P >>>> http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

8701girl

17-05-2012, 03:25 AM

Seeing as cake has been mentioned, i know someone who makes up cake songs.

Do you mean like makes cakes with music installed in the cakes..u mean actually writes songs bout cakes?

andrea72

17-05-2012, 08:26 AM

Do you mean like makes cakes with music installed in the cakes..u mean actually writes songs bout cakes?

Lol yes. She parodies songs, for example she has parodied some of Michael's songs and Whitney Houston's oh and some other
artists as well.

8701girl

21-05-2012, 03:24 AM

Lol yes. She parodies songs, for example she has parodied some of Michael's songs and Whitney Houston's oh and some other
artists as well.

Oh ok lol

andrea72

21-05-2012, 10:36 AM

Oh ok lol

I guess this could be her way of healing.

8701girl

23-05-2012, 03:30 AM

I guess this could be her way of healing.

Yeh it could be

Lisha

25-05-2012, 07:17 PM

Ashtanga

25-05-2012, 11:07 PM

I would think especially when June 24th arrives ...

vGT7OhVEf7Y

I miss you dear Michael... every day!!!! :cry: *big sigh*

SoS

27-05-2012, 11:49 PM

Hi therz http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/funny/hiya.gif

Time to edit some more of this badly rushed novella. What really happened was I let that Lisha pull me in one time too many and now here I am back at step 1 again of the 12 Steps of MJ board LITD addiction :wild:

Oh well here is the edit to my extremely big fix, I mean entry I made earlier. I will edit more later.

Ash I feelzya so much http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/funny/hug.gif its so hard, especially to be with the 'business as usual'ness of everything but we go on, trying to continue to encourage our other "fellow widows" as best we can.

In Chapter 4 of Psalms God says, O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity ...the Lord hath set apart him that is godly for himself ... Stand in awe, and sin not; commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still.

I say stilness is the best way to fight sometimes because sometimes someone may wish to "see"someone fight and yet the best fighting is someimes done in stillness.

When I realized the story line of this film I had to laugh as it was more and more reminding me of this thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQH6la8tUs Very imaginative writers.

Lisha,those questions of yours could keep the thread going for a while I'd imagine, although no one's saying anything I believe they're all thinking http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/brow.gif

I, for my own personal reasons like the idea of "them" having a "Benship" type of friendship but I agree that we all feel we know what's best for MJ. That is so funny to me. The good news is we all get to interpret, yay!, so I do hope "she" is a "Ben-friend" and has the importance of his good name tucked deeply in the creases of her heart - eh just call me romantic http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/funny/candy.gifNOT (j/k lol)

Here's a playlist that's a Diana Ross marathon!! :dance: I just came across another great whilst looking up that song. I will never forget the first time I heard this song, ah that voice, so soothing. :wub: I was 12 when I heard the first two notes of this song, I fell further in love with that soothing, comforting voice all over again. In fact this playlist is a great tribute to Ms. Ross. Confession: Since I was five years old, Diana Ross was my very first very favorite entertainer of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQ-p0WnGd8&feature=fvwp&NR=1 Oh you guyz were speaking of Funny Girl, you also haven't really heard it until you've heard Diana Ross do it because she's obviously having a lot of fun doing it and it is the most fun thing in the world to hear. It's really as if you're watching live theatre. Here's one song ... (maan I can't believe I found this I'm so excited!!) :dance: ENJOY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYS1KekuXys

Happy Sunday. God bless All.

8701girl

28-05-2012, 03:43 AM

Because God will have His way.

Yes he does even if it is not the way u planned or hoped it would be but he will always do what he thinks is best

MysteriousPhoenix

29-05-2012, 03:15 PM

I'm pulling an MP. :D

Hey, wait a minute! Only the great and mysterious MP can pull something like that off! J/K! I'm glad you stopped by with this song. You know, I used to not like this song back in the day when it first came out. My best friend apparently did, though. I remember a funny story she told about how she was visiting New York and she was screaming this song from the top of her lungs out her hotel window! lol! But hearing it now and in light of what you were talking about, it really is eerily appropriate for this thread at this time.

These lines struck me:

Sometimes I've wondered
I didn't understand
Just where you were trying to go
Only you knew the plan

Fits like a glove!

(the waters seem to have run dry...and that's not necessarily a bad thing)

Reminds me of a BoysIIMen song!

EDIT: I'm referring to if there were ever strategies set up to try to discourage her or to try to keep her and MJ apart at all costs. Would she pick up on it and, being a woman of God, if "she" is, would she start "fighting" in her spirit...meaning prayer? You know, it could be possible that many in MJ's life, like work associates, acquaintainces, friends, family, and even fans, could feel they know who would be best for MJ to "be" with, and maybe after getting wind of the LITD girl, well, she might not be their first or even their last choice for him. Would they "intervene" for (their justification) his sake? Do you think they ever did?

Would the LITD girl not have let herself be discouraged by their games or efforts if others were trying to discourage her, but, instead, stand on what she knows, that she knows, is something from God, and remember then, that this would apply, for her and MJ,

"any weapon formed against them will not prosper".

Because God will have His way.

Another example of needing to not rely alone by what you see in the natural that is going on, but to look through the eyes of faith.

Yes, I believe that if your spirit is in tune with God's Spirit, you would eventually pick up in your spirit that you are indeed in the midst of some kind of spiritual warfare and you would either have to stand your ground and fight or just give up. I am sure there were times they both became weary from the fight and wanted to give up, but I'm sure God's Sprit kept encouraging their spirits.

(Ape, I was just thinking about you and your acting career yesterday! Glad Lisha brought you up! Hope you are experiencing great success!)

I too have had a song running through my mind, but it is kinda ... well ... "romantic" I guess you could say. Kinda makes me blush a bit, but if I get the courage I would like to post it 'cause there is one particular part that makes me think of that "struggle" you were talking about.

Edit: Well, o.k., I think I will just post it. Don't get so caught up in how old it is or anything. I know the lyrics are kinda intimate or whatever, but hey, just think of some of MJ's lyrics like in Break o' Dawn! Anyway, the part I wanted to draw your attention to was the part that I have bolded where she contrasts different characteristics of this man. That is the part that is "MJish" and probably like his relationship with his LITD.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/N3AsjTjmKWk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

THE WAY I WANNA TOUCH YOU
Captain & Tenille

i never wanted
i never wanted to touch a man
the way that i want to touch you

i never wanted
i never wanted to love a man
the way that i want to love you

you are sunshine
you are shadows
you are morning
you are night
you are hard times
you are good times
you are darkness you are.....light

i never wanted
i never wanted to give a man
the things that i want to give you

i never wanted
i never wanted to live with a man
the way that i want to live with you

you are sunshine
you are shadows
you are morning
you are night
you are hard times
you are good times
you are darkness
you are.......light

i never wanted
i never wanted to touch a man
the way that i want to touch you......

the way that i want to touch you now.....
the way that i want to touch you.

Ape

01-06-2012, 08:00 PM

Thanks for thinking about me guys. Well the acting thing isn't a career. I've made a total of $300 from my acting so I'll just call it a hobby/passion. Most of what I do is volunteer. I am currently directing a play for the first time. Usually I just act in them. But all that's probably pretty boring to you guys and nothing to do with this thread..lol.

I forget what I had to say about all this. Most likely we will never know the truth regarding Michael and his love life...and that's ok..and I know this thread isn't so much about that as about the story his music has told. Also it is about the story we hear and discover and imagine out of it all. So this thread is a collaborative effort of the fans and Michael together, whether he knew about it or not, whether it is all fantasy or not.

I think I was going to say something about what Shila said a while back about...hmm.. I'm going to have to go find it again. I have a bit of time right now. I can see.

Ashtanga

01-06-2012, 11:49 PM

I am currently directing a play for the first time.

:o

Great! :clapping: That was a big step! :wild: I wish good luck to you! ;)

8701girl

02-06-2012, 03:34 AM

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/Back2Basics/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Ape http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/Back2Basics/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../showthread.php?p=3649791#post3649791)
I am currently directing a play for the first time.

Yay! that is fantastic news!

Ape

02-06-2012, 07:55 PM

Thanks. It's different. Kind of fun when the actors are open to what I want to try. Not so fun when they aren't. I am not a pushy person.

Magicgirl

06-06-2012, 09:29 PM

I'm pulling an MP. :D and stopping by real quick with a song!

I've been singing this latley and I then heard it on the radio, and it seems like a song the LITD girl (if she exists) would be singing and relating to. I would think especially when June 24th arrives ...knowing what the next day means, and all...of course.

vGT7OhVEf7Y

These lines struck me:

Sometimes I've wondered
I didn't understand
Just where you were trying to go
Only you knew the plan

Okay, I'm off again to do my own thang now...lol. Take care all, if there are any who still even read this thread...(the waters seem to have run dry...and that's not necessarily a bad thing)

PS: I'm wondering, do you think the LITD girl was a thoroughly timid type or do you think she would have been the type to fight for her man? (That is if she felt quite sure God was behind him and her).

EDIT: I'm referring to if there were ever strategies set up to try to discourage her or to try to keep her and MJ apart at all costs. Would she pick up on it and, being a woman of God, if "she" is, would she start "fighting" in her spirit...meaning prayer? You know, it could be possible that many in MJ's life, like work associates, acquaintainces, friends, family, and even fans, could feel they know who would be best for MJ to "be" with, and maybe after getting wind of the LITD girl, well, she might not be their first or even their last choice for him. Would they "intervene" for (their justification) his sake? Do you think they ever did?

Would the LITD girl not have let herself be discouraged by their games or efforts if others were trying to discourage her, but, instead, stand on what she knows, that she knows, is something from God, and remember then, that this would apply, for her and MJ,

"any weapon formed against them will not prosper".

Because God will have His way.

Another example of needing to not rely alone by what you see in the natural that is going on, but to look through the eyes of faith.

Just was pondering over this today...after writing this post earlier...so I came back to add some more. :) I guess I took off with my thinkin' on the subject...as I tend to do...lol!!! ;) Hey, where's Favoritetune. I enjoy his two cents worth. And that Ape, she never bothered to post that long post I was hoping for. :( Hope your play went well, Ape, and you enjoyed your role!

Well, I was not going to return to this thread as I thought it came to its dead end or to its logical end, but as it seems it continues I will add my 10 cents. From my point of view it were not friends, work associates, acquaintances and so on that were keeping them apart. I think it were bad choices of both of them. Some people after going through a sequence of bad choices finally find their right road so to say, for some is too late, some never find their right road. So if to take Bible there are two powers operating in this world - good and evil. Let's imagine that when God wanted her approach him Devil interfered in the form of bad choice called "Lisa Marie", when she wanted again the next bad choice called Debbie appeared. After MJ got free from bad choices maybe she did her bad choices as well. And finally when God wanted it to happen, evil interfered again in the form of bad choice number three called Doctor Conrad Murray.

I still keep this song in my mind:

"All in your name"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ue3fVxlQus

I will copy lyrics from google:

"All In Your Name"
(with Barry Gibb)

[Barry]
Now I got a mission
The story unfolds
What the wise men have told you, is already known
That a woman and a man
Should go by the plan
And we find out how high we can fly

There's just one religion
One family of love
We suffer the children
As God cries above
And the giving, not the taking
With hearts open wide
And it looks like we fall
And it burns like a flame
Any ground that I claim

So what is my life
If I don't believe
There is someone to watch me
Follow my dreams
Take all my chances, like those who dare
And what of our world
What does it become
When the damage is done
And you held out, you said no, you stand up

[Michael]
Only God knows
That it's all in the game
It's all in your name
Carry me to the gates of paradise
They're the same
It's all in your name

[Barry]
Look to Heaven
An angel of peace
To love and protect us
Through all of our tears
And the gateway to peace
It stands open wide
And it looks like we fall
And it burns like a flame
Any ground that I claim

So what is my life
If I don't believe
There is someone to watch me
Follow my dreams
Take all my chances, like those who dare
And where is the peace
We're searching for
Under the shadows of war
Can we hold out, and stand up, and say no

[Michael]
Only God knows
That it's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me to the gates of paradise
They're the same
It's all in your name

[Barry]
Spread the words. Now it is
Love you, and understand you
In the line on, interesting
will they all know (?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Barry]
Then we'll all know(?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Michael]
See? that it's done(?)

[Barry]
And it's all in your name

[Michael]
It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same {yeah yeah, yeah yeah}

It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same
They're the same {yeah yeah}

It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same

It says: "Follow me to the gates of paradise"
Maybe God had the plan for them, but Devil had another plan... But as good always wins their souls will meet at the gates of paradise as is mentioned in this song:))))))))))))

I really enjoy this song, maybe it brings some light in the darkness of our speculations.
Another phrase I couldn't quite get was "they're the same", were the gates meant, or 2 people who were the same? Maybe they were the same?

and some phrases about which I wonder:
"Spread the words. Now it is
Love you, and understand you
In the line on, interesting
will they all know (?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Barry]
Then we'll all know(?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Michael]
See? that it's done(?)

[Barry]
And it's all in your name"

At least something has been done in her name or in the name of the mankind? Something she has asked for? And the message was sent to her?

Hope you enjoyed my interpretation.

There is an interesting article on Internet that I found called "God has a plan" that maybe fitts the subject of discussion:

http://dlministries.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/god-has-a-plan/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98IdLKSGnc
- and this MJ song was backmasked at youtube and they think there was a message to a girl there. You see? I try this thread to be running as long as I can't afford a dream vacation to Hawaii and have to sit at home all days with my son.

Now I made a research in wikipedia concerning "This is it" song:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_It_(Michael_Jackson_song)

It says it was written by Michael Jackson and Paul Anker in 1983, later this song was sang by Sa-Fire in 1991 and it had another name "I never heard", but if to compare lyrics of both songs here:

http://www.lyrics.com/i-never-heard-lyrics-safire.html

http://www.metrolyrics.com/this-is-it-lyrics-michael-jackson.html

the lyrics differs much and the melody was changed from jolly to somehow sad. So I wonder why they call it an old song if it was completely changed. I guess it was maybe changed for a girl, because there is a message in reversed "This is it" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98IdLKSGnc

Then somebody backmasked (reversed) Sa-Fire's "I never heard" and though they say it's the same as "This is it" no clear message is heard in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8l5s2xF1YI

I also read that many musicians nowadays put these backmasked messages into their songs on purpose. When it's not done on purpose it is said that when the song is backmasked (reversed) by special software one can find online then it's just a number of senseless syllables. And the message is heard clearly when it has been done on purpose. It is written in wikipedia about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking

So I suggest to study lyrics of both songs and suggest why the song has been changed so much, especially the text.

In the video of reversed "This is it" at the end there are some lines with long question marks, where it is not understandable what is said, I think this might be a clue.

MysteriousPhoenix

09-06-2012, 08:01 PM

... So if to take Bible there are two powers operating in this world - good and evil. Let's imagine that when God wanted her approach him Devil interfered in the form of bad choice called "Lisa Marie", when she wanted again the next bad choice called Debbie appeared. After MJ got free from bad choices maybe she did her bad choices as well. And finally when God wanted it to happen, evil interfered again in the form of bad choice number three called Doctor Conrad Murray.

You are very insightful, Magicgirl. Also, don't forget the allegations of '93 and the trial of '05. I think these were also attempts to keep them apart. I think the outcome of the trial in '05 must have made the devil very, VERY angry! Hearing "Not Guilty" on all 14 counts must have been excruciatingly painful for his ears. Some of the tribulations in the years that followed, including June 25, 2009, were probably his "punishment" for such an overwhelming victory. I also think he tried to separate Michael from his children, too.

But ... you are right. The devil may have his plan (and in the end it always backfires on him), but God has His plan, too -- and He don't like losing!

Magicgirl

13-06-2012, 10:45 PM

You are very insightful, Magicgirl. Also, don't forget the allegations of '93 and the trial of '05. I think these were also attempts to keep them apart. I think the outcome of the trial in '05 must have made the devil very, VERY angry! Hearing "Not Guilty" on all 14 counts must have been excruciatingly painful for his ears. Some of the tribulations in the years that followed, including June 25, 2009, were probably his "punishment" for such an overwhelming victory. I also think he tried to separate Michael from his children, too.

But ... you are right. The devil may have his plan (and in the end it always backfires on him), but God has His plan, too -- and He don't like losing!

The God would have his hand and will in this if MJ had revived after clinical death. I wish he could. Unusual cases like that are described here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFttM_ppFgA
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php?id=198810

I have found an interview with MJ made 5 days before he has passed away on the net made by man with pseudonym Lenny Rodriguez, but it was a translation into russian here
http://www.inter-view.org/inv/4232.htm
Some people who discuss it there say it's a fake, some say it is realistic, for me it sounds true. But the case is I was not able to find any english version of this interview on the net, it doesn't exist, I don't know why. It is said there that MJ had created his inner fantasy world, maybe LITD girl also belonged there? Because in the house on the bed where MJ slept they have found such doll, look here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2045737/Conrad-Murray-trial-Michael-Jacksons-doll-drug-stash-shown-jurors.html
It could have been a present from a fan or his daughters' of course, but it could have represented LITD girl as well :)
Maybe the god wins this battle in other way.

As I think in the reversed version of "This is it" the message was to the fans all about the forthcoming shows, MJ felt so alive because he could again perform and show to the world he was not a wreck and because he had a plan to build Michael Jackson's children hospital with the money from the concerts, the largest in the world and he wanted the fans to help him in that. Look here:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/michael-jackson-death-trial-kenny-ortega-worried-mjs/story?id=14614384

And if the fans and family gather the money and it will be built I think the god will prove he always wins.

I wonder why Dr. Murray recorded that (see the link above), I think his bosses illuminati wanted to know for what the money from the concerts will be used, and when they got to know that it will be for the God's purpose to build a hospital the evil got very angry. Dr. Murray was a freemason as well, look here (freemasons are a lower stage in illuminati pyramide):

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2011/10/michael-jacksons-doctor-conrad-murrays.html
And more from wikipedia about illuminati:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

Sony is evil as well, why would they hide for themselves all 100 hours of rehearsals of "This is it" on video, and let the fans watch only 6 hours of that. What is there on the original tape? Did they give MJ some kind of poison during rehearsals?

So with such powerful enemies MJ couldn't let LITD girl into his life except than in dreams and songs or any other girl as well. Not until he would have finished his crusade.

Iceberg

22-06-2012, 04:29 PM

I am currently directing a play for the first time. Usually I just act in them.
Good news! Congratulations!
Certainly exceed all expectations!

Hello everyone! Returning to this segment addictive!

MysteriousPhoenix

22-06-2012, 06:33 PM

How can I stay "down" when "your love keeps lifting me higher"?

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I dedicate this song to God, Michael and all of you here in this thread whose love through the years has and continues to lift me higher and higher!

Ape

24-06-2012, 03:13 PM

Good news! Congratulations!
Certainly exceed all expectations!

Hello everyone! Returning to this segment addictive!
:-) thank you.

And mp that's sweet.

I just popped in to share this www.vimeo.com/44594707 (http://www.viveo.com/44594707) i hope that works.

Ashtanga

25-06-2012, 03:17 AM

I would think especially when June 24th arrives ...knowing what the next day means, and all...of course.

vGT7OhVEf7Y

Yes.....

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/181402_322146807873270_1449635196_n.jpg :cry:

June 25... will always be painful, forever. :cry: *big sigh*

Well, I was just thinking in this thread... :girl_sigh: in the great moments we had here in the past :wub: and decided to come here to leave a big hug for everyone > http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/Smileys/popos/bearhug.sml.gif :give_heart:

As for Michael :wub:, he will never be forgotten. Our love for him is eternal. :girl_in_love:

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/303600_402695343100140_306880180_n.jpg :heart:

We love you dear! :girl_give_heart:

*big sigh*

Lainy

25-06-2012, 03:29 AM

I Wish I could hug you all... :cry:

Iceberg

25-06-2012, 05:10 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YZZ8qrWS7ag/T-idoCDdDdI/AAAAAAAAAFU/cqysjCV8HEI/s1600/002.jpg
Today a day without solution.
There is nothing to drown out the pain.
When the pain is unbearable, the cry is muffled.
Inside the chest, the memories of every smile I looked, every step danced and immeasurable love.

In my eyes, today, that I have are tears.
Remains the sweet memory of childhood, a silly thought that to be adult was enough to to look at your face.
I grew up and then the dream remained just a dream.

I wanted so much and I discovered that some dreams are meant to only dream of.
I can tell you was my greatest friend. Who drowned the sound of my tears with his music. Who taught me while I was growing up, that love is independent of family ties and affinities. Who picked me up when I fall. Who made me smile, just by its existence. You guided me for the cases and hazard of the my life

I owe you, every one of my dreams, each one of my sighs. And a good portion of my smiles. Some tears, many tears that you wiped away without you even knowing.

Composer of my dreams. Composer of the love thay I carry and the brightness of my eyes.
Glow that reflects what I feel and I kept just to show you only with my eyes!

Thank you for everything I am, for everything I have. In each of these constructions you was there. Because I have nothing beyond what I feel, and every feeling you are (and you´ll be there).

Thank U and...
I love U

_9FBog9a3c0

Big hug to each of you

Ashtanga

26-06-2012, 03:23 AM

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552726_430616753649819_430590584_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/548564_419396448103682_1389182458_n.jpg :cry: *big sigh*

Ape

28-06-2012, 06:30 AM

Just want to fix the link I gave earlier. http://vimeo.com/44594707 That should do it.

No-Body

30-06-2012, 08:15 PM

*enters the thread,

takes a sneak pic,

sees there's no neck bitin' victim around, as it couldn't possibly be most naturaly

and heads for the exit*

.......not be4 though reminding everyone here that it was 40 years ago today, oooops meant to say 4 years ago that not only this chugginton of a thread began, but more importantly than that we got to hear an awesome song called.......HOLD MY HAND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQfErQZi21o&feature=related

I'm not here to engage in any dialogue. I was gonna drop a few lines for some of the ole & new names in the house *giggles* but by singling folks out i'd be making an injustice to all the other lovely people who contribute to this thread.

I'll leave you with this scripture In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world (John 16:33). Like the song rightfully goes, THIS life don't last forever, but the other one does and is worth every and any sacrifice because life on earth is only a temporary shadow of what really is.

Here's a lil' post it i 'painted' meself :P
http://s10.postimage.org/3oh5dwg2x/muchoamor.png
Gotta go now. The time for ramblings is long over. God bless you everyone.

SoS

01-07-2012, 02:49 AM

Ape such a great and bold story you were priveledged to be a part of and some really great acting .... I just love great acting, thank you for that. I"m getting excited all over again and I know this was shot some time back. I'm so proud of you and happy for you again, and still. :) Thanks again for sharing with us.

Here is a treat I came across. I hope everyone can enjoy it as much as I did. Its generally been impossible for me to enjoy anything with the word, 'tribute' in it (I was 9 in 1970 so you have to excuse my sensitivity) you know in connection with him being the 'd' word, but this tribute is a different feeling for me, thank God. I wish I had a copy of it. Anyhooo....I'm quite sure you'll enjoy it if I did. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp6GUPUDZrQ&feature=related

p.s. Shouts .... been thinking of Shabuya.

Ape

01-07-2012, 04:42 PM

:-) thank you SOS. I'm glad you got to see it. Thanks for sharing your link as well. Very nice tribute. I'm glad you haven't totally disappeared.(((hug))))

Iceberg, thank you so much for sharing your heartfelt thoughts. Sorry I didn't comment before about it. Sometimes it's hard to know what to say but I'm glad you shared that with us all.

Also A-7 great observation. I didn't notice it was hold my hands 4th anniversary. Thanks for the post and nice to see you come around every once in a while still. Take care.

lulubelle

02-07-2012, 12:16 AM

Hi to all of you! *waves* A77, your thread on here was so cute! I loved it...thank you for that! To the rest of you, sending you all a hug! :) Thank you for always making this thread interesting to read. God bless. Xoxo :)

Lily

06-07-2012, 04:15 PM

"...our love is like the wind. I can't see it, but I can feel it"

This quote from "A Walk to Remember" reminds me of this thread for some reason hmmm...

lulubelle

06-07-2012, 04:33 PM

I love that quote Lily. :)

Tygger

17-07-2012, 04:53 AM

Hi, just wanted to say that I LOVE this thread. It took me about 3 months to read the whole thing but, it was worth it.

The thread is unique because you don't mind bring spirituality into the discussion and you truly wished him alot of love. It was a pleasure to read.

Just because you don't physically "see" something doesn't mean it didn't happen. If he wanted "a divine love," it happened and just trust that like you trust God. Its in MJ's heart, the LITD girl's, and God's and that's where it is safe. A love that sweet and good doesn't need to be marred and continues for all time. I beleive he had this. I believe he still has it. I believe you all tapped into that with this thread.

I miss Moddie's dreams!!!! I believe she was blessed with a vision of these two. It was a beautiful vision.

I don't understand why MimiK stopped writing.

My favorite post was the one below. Apologies to the poster because I don't remember what page it was on or you're name but, if you recognize you words, thank you.

For instance, some things we know are, one - "He does all things well" as MP pointed out, and we know that "God is Love".
We also know from MJ's highest form of expression, that being song, that it seems Michael was singing to "someone" whom he felt had a level of lonliness that matched his own and so, had in that sense, perhaps "met" his match, and perhaps that could be where it comes into play that ...

Things Aren't Always What They Seem

Perhaps the reason that (based on the music) they did not seem to physically meet very often if at all, is because of the fact that everyone that both of them had ever physically "met" had found it necessary to hold their attention only on the physical aspects, whether it be "looks" or "sex" lol or "money" or "accomplishment" or "fame", "name" or whatever and perhaps God spared them both the agony and the ecstasy of all that being physically connected can entail, considering they both were experiencing abysmal levels of lonliness and needed to be "connected" where it really counts - in the spirit.

I say both because due to Michael's clues (if you also can easily view the eras of songs as a musical "braid" that overlaps eachother) he tells us many things about "her", eg., "she's sick and tired of being on the lonely merry-go-round", or she "woke" him from sleeping and told him that, "she was so sick and tired" (from PYT - demo which has caught my attention recently) which shows that he was "tuned in" with her lonliness - or, You Are Not Alone, where in the end adlibs he says, "you just reach out for me Girl! ... in the morning, in the evening - you and me! Together! Together..." - or Heaven Can Wait, "I don't wanna leave my baby alone", or For All Time, "if you feel alone I'll be your shoulder" or Hold My Hand, "we're better off being together, than being miserable alone"

Since he "communicated" these things through song (which come from the HIGEST Source) I wonder if its possible that this "connection" , being spiritual in nature, could have been the most important connection for him to have ever found in the end, thereby resulting in a fullfillment of a kind that only he could appreciate.

Maybe the point of this kind of love is that of appreciating who a person is in GOD'S eyes. And, when we consider the fact that when someone sees us through God's eyes, they see us, the TRUE being that we really ARE, the being that we were before we ever took our first breath, when they love us with the love of God, they love us,

So, maybe that spiritual connection is the beginning and the end of fullfillment for both of the two lonliest people in the world, who for their own reasons could not otherwise trust (the world's version or the common version of) love.

I realize the songs also talk about what he wanted them to do physically together too, but maybe just knowing that she saw him and was one with him, could have been, in a sense, all the fullfillment they really needed making the physical aspect pale in relation to the more fulfilling aspect of being loved for who one is. I'm sorry, how many ways have I said this same thing..

But, I mean, If that is the case, then maybe that was all that was called for from God's perspective too and maybe, just maybe, that just as with MJ's work over his lifetime being completed, maybe with "her", as far as God was concerned, (and MJ) maybe her "work" completed as well, maybe that's all God was trying to bless MJ with, and "her" as well - the ability to experience love on the earth plain in the purest form possible. Perhaps it is the only way it could have been accomplished without Michael having to spend the rest of his life worrying over trust.

God is Love. God Loves Love for Love's sake.

I think of the line from Eve's rap in Butterflies, "you got everything else you need". Maybe that spiritual love was really all that was missing.

I guess I'm saying that from "behind the veil", perhaps there was more fullfillment to all this than meets the eye.

Does that mean that she too is sufficiently fulfilled and is no longer lonely? Probably does not mean that, if for no other reason than the "curse" (for a believer in the bible) that says, "thy desire shall be to thy husband ...", so maybe it will never go away,

but if its true that "God created woman for the sake of the man" then it could mean also that she is now more fulfilled from having been used by God to love, and maybe because of that, that very Love itself has lifted her higher, than she's ever been lifted before ..

.. and maybe because of the line that says "even death won't part us now" - maybe just maybe, she still gets to experience the reality of the fact that what MJ said is true - that, "love is the answer" (for all things)

and maybe, just maybe that too is a fulfillment in itself.

Maybe in the end, LOVE is what they both desired to help eachother to experience in the most spiritually meaningful way, and maybe they each trusted only to experience it in this non-physical way so as to trust the experience of loving someone (deeply, intimately and personally) at all....and/...or maybe nobody understood them like eachother did.

When you see in a person's eyes (the windows/mirrors to the soul) that aspect of yourself you dare not share with anyone else, it doesn't get more intimate and personal than that.

MJ made it clear in countless songs from era to era that "this girl" was a "hard case", so maybe his mission was fulfilled where she was concerned as well, and that was to make her feel love, which could be the reason he made such a blatantly simple statement in Give in To Me, that says, "love is a feeling".

So I do believe "they" did experience LOVE as the answer TOGETHER. and if so, then its all good because God is All and God is Love and God (Love) is always Good... all the time. - oh well, just another way of looking at it.

Ashtanga

18-07-2012, 03:27 AM

Hi, just wanted to say that I LOVE this thread.

:girl_sigh:

It took me about 3 months to read the whole thing

:woohoo:

SoS

22-07-2012, 02:33 AM

I love this thread too, its such 'escapism' to get into MJ's music and look for the various threads that run through the tapestry of his musical history I find it so intersting mostly I guess that the theme is so consistent throughout all of the decades of their careers of creating 'singing storylines'. When I heard TWYMMF for the first time I'm quite sure it reminded me of Lovely One, for example. Even a song like Make My Father Proud is consistent in content and scope with a song like Man In The Mirror but on the "love song/love story" tip it is rather fascinating. I am surprised that I am the only one who draws these correlations, they're all over MJ's musical history.

Oh yes Tygger (welcome!) I remember writing that piece. One of the LITD participants along with others were expressing such sadness as to the way the "Love Story" ended that I was trying to offer some sense of peace and upliftment to the perspective, so glad to know it worked for ya.

I recall where I mentioned this:
Things Aren't Always What They Seem
it was in response to another poster who had suggested that maybe could be the case, if I recall correctly to offer context to it.

Iceberg I enjoyed that also although it felt rather 'private' in a sense. I am sensitive about reading other peoples' really personal heartfelt stuff directed at MJ for his eyes only although we happen to be in a public forum and MJ ostensibly not able to read it obviously anyway, I digress ..

Another thought I felt to share but it has escaped me atm.

Oh yes, Mimik ... we wrote those poems together ... yes there have been many inspired moments in this thread...its amazing probably because there's love all in it as everyone keeps pointing out ... in the music that is as AFMJ would point out. I was going through the thread too and finding so many fascinating points of view. I feel that to all of us in a sense there's a feeling of 'this is my story' kind of feeling for everyone which I feel enhances the buoyancy for us all. I imagine even the demons could flee this thread and wonder.

Michael Jackson's music really inspires the imagination.
Speaking of 'takes' on things and MJ's music and such, I sometimes have wondered if anyone else in this thread have ever played with various story lines and alternate 'endings' and such. Sometimes I crack up laughing at some scenarios I come up with. Just wondering if anyone else does that. I have this one story inspired by this thread that is fit only for a movie of the week and another for a full length animated feature. When I was a child growing up in what they call the dirty South (that's not nice!haha) I created these scenes all the time with music. It all begins with the artist tho of course, and I feel so grateful that my person era has been so full of such great ones. Amazing.

but... :blush: guess nobody does that but me. I miss my brother from childhood, I mean my flesh born sibling brother. He left a long time ago and then physically left two years ago. Creating was our favorite pastime as kids. Growing up life took on a new reality. In our world it wasn't ok to be that or do that so we tried doing what was up with everyone around us, thus the healing power of this thread for me.

Any more testimonials? :popcorn:

:lol:

For most ppl Michael Jackson is synonymous with get up and dance so this is for them:

dancin'! dancin'! dancin'! (duh duh duh) sheeza dancin' masheeeeeeeeeeeeeen o baaaayyyy .... do it baby ... (ohh doo da bop)

:lol:

Happy Sunday Everybody ! :dance:

Ape

23-07-2012, 02:09 AM

Ok I want to hear those alternate endings :-) ! Please share. I'm sure you aren't the only one. I've come up with plenty of sci-fi/romance/mystery stories that could work with the story line as well..lol. They'd all make pretty cool movies, at least in my mind they would.

MysteriousPhoenix

30-07-2012, 06:36 PM

When I woke up this morning...

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When I woke up this morning
You were on my mind
And you were on my mind
I got troubles, whoa-oh
I got worries, whoa-oh
I got wounds to bind

So I went to the corner
Just to ease my pains
Yeah, just to ease my pains
I got troubles, whoa-oh
I got worries, whoa-oh
I came home again

When I woke up this morning
You were on my mi-i-i-ind and
You were on my mind
I got troubles, whoa-oh
I got worries, whoa-oh
I got wounds to bind

And I got a feelin'
Down in my sho-oo-oo-oes, said
Way down in my sho-oo-oes
Yeah, I got to ramble, whoa-oh
I got to move on, whoa-oh
I got to walk away my blues

When I woke up this morning
You were on my mind
You were on my mind
I got troubles, whoa-oh
I got worries, whoa-oh
I got wounds to bind ...

SoS

31-07-2012, 03:17 AM

MP that songs reminds me of one of my favorites by The Partridge Family, "I woke up in love this morning, I woke up in love this morning, went to sleep with you on my mind ... :dancin: "

Ok I want to hear those alternate endings :-) ! Please share. I'm sure you aren't the only one. I've come up with plenty of sci-fi/romance/mystery stories that could work with the story line as well..lol. They'd all make pretty cool movies, at least in my mind they would.
Well, its so hard to do briefly and I am reforming from writing "novels" in here and if indeed this is something based in truth I would not want to "fan-fictionize" it although I'd imagine alternate endings could be allowable since the "end" is up for grabs for those of us here as far as we know, so ok let's just say for instance as we've talked about many songs refer to "her" not responding to his songs (presuming for the moment that's how he'd been "communicating") and let's say it was after a "soul" encounter where they looked into eachother's eyes (remember we'd said how they're the windows to the soul) let's say it was at an album signing, or a concert or a meet and greet or some other crowd scene where it would be easy to presume "she" is a fan but turns out she was actually with someone else who was a fan and let's say he was intrigued because her 'energy' was different toward him than everyone else's, and she's intrigued by his as its a spiritual energy that when he looked at her it was a unique and rare feeling of utter acceptance that felt like no other and that there was something about this girl's life situation (remember he said 'who knows the situation, mysteries do remain) which had made her ultra sensitive to feelings of acceptance and friendship or scrutiny and rejection or lonliness (as we've noted about all the songs that reference her "lonliness" and MJ shouting at the end of You Are Not Alone, "gotta stop bein' alone!". Perhaps he is saying that 'he' gots to stop being alone but the song is not about him being alone or not, it is about "her".

Let's say he's so shy that rather than trying to meet her he just gave her a 'look' which said something like, "Oh my God its you!" or sth like that lol, and so the event ended and life went on as he and she went on with their life and she would happen to read about him in articles here and there not knowing what's true and what's not found herself feeling all in love with MJ for reasons she didn't understand (remember MJ said, 'she never knew') which was pointed out by AllforMJ more than once and yet he was someone whom she felt she'd 'met' in a special way although never saw again and so here come the Sony Wars on the news and she began to feel a reason to reach out to him so then she's online say its 2002 in the Sony Chat and there's a character in there which 'feels' similar, like when she 'met' him before, and she feels that she 'meets' him again but is unsure, then a few years later finds herself reading this thread which leads her to reading some lyrics which shows her some songs are about their encounter and how MJ was bothered that she never responded to any of his songs.

And as it turns out that yes she was intrigued by his spirit when they 'met' and yes he with hers as well because there was definitely something 'different' about this girl's energy and focus and spirit it seemed and so what we don't learn until the very end is that the reason she never responded to any if his music from the radio or hearing it anywhere else is she was actually born completely and totally deaf :wild: .

:giggle: One scenario that I feel fits the songs off the top of my head anyway and one that made me laugh. It may come to mind how this may not fit if there's a conflicting lyric in the lineup of songs we've been analyzing but for now I feel it fits.

:D OK somebody else's turn. Someone may have a good one for what if they met in a "dream state". Was he dreaming of the one he'd 'met' or did he 'meet' the one he was dreaming of?

.... or ...

...as the mystery unfolds ...

:pray: I feel we all agree on one thing in this love thread and that is the prayer of God be with the Jackson family. They've given themselves completely to this business of entertainment and are always on the line for this or that. Protect them guide them be with them. Thank You God amen

Ashtanga

31-07-2012, 05:30 AM

http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif :shifty: :fear:

MysteriousPhoenix

11-08-2012, 07:23 PM

*****
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Ashtanga

12-08-2012, 01:15 AM

*****
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:girl_sigh:

Ape

14-08-2012, 04:42 AM

Nice song :-) I've never heard this song before. I like it! SOS I enjoyed your story. That would make a sweet romance story.

Well Mystery.. I went to send this and it seems you have overfilled your quota for messages. Wow, popular gal ;) Anyways, it is nothing too personal so I'll just post here for anyone.

Our birthday's are coming up soon. Do you plan on doing anything special for yours? I have nothing planned for mine. I have this secret wish that someday someone will plan a surprise party for me. I've wanted that since I was a kid but I don't think I've ever told anyone because I don't want to put that on them or make them feel they have to do that now. Still, it's my little fantasy..lol. Maybe when I get old enough, if I get senile I can plan my own surprise birthday party. hehe.

I just felt like talking to someone and then listened to the song you posted and thought I'll send YOU a message. I hope you are doing well. I am and I'm too busy lately...and too lonely too. People need people but this society seems to go to computers for socializing and instant comfort from loneliness because in person people are hard to trust or are mostly business relations...everyone is selling something, only online socializing doesn't truly satisfy. It's like being hungry and grabbing for a chocolate bar. It works for a bit but then the crash makes it so much worse. It's not enough now to reach out to others online. I am spending more time with others in person but I am still such a hermit and too introverted.

lol oops.. sorry, I do this sometimes. I get feeling like I need a friend or to talk or something and message random people and say more than I mean to. Like a Diary but one that gets read..probably. Anyways, no need to reply to all this but you can answer the birthday question ;-) . I hope you are doing something fun.

Take care,
Angel

MysteriousPhoenix

14-08-2012, 02:49 PM

Happy Birthday to all August babies including Ape, Michael (who steals our limelight every year!) ... and me!!!

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Lisha

14-08-2012, 07:43 PM

Sorry to hear you've been lonely lately, Ape. Loneliness is not a fun feeling; it can be so overpowering at times. I guess MJ knew all about that, huh?

A lot of very cute images in that vid you posted, MP!

I haven't been focusing that much on the MJ world of late. My mind has stayed filled with other things. I drop by briefly still to check and see if there is any special news goin' on. Not much could top the kind of drama that recently went on. My gosh. Things seem to have quieted...for now. Never a dull moment in the Jackson family.

I can see why you reminded us to keep them in our prayers, SoS. And you are so creative...your one version of explaining all this LITD stuff. The ending amused me, the way you made things "all tidy" so the story could be plausible....hahahaha! Of course, deafness is not a laughable matter in itself. I for one know, since I am practically deaf in one ear. If any of you see me in person and I ignore you, it's most likely you said something to me on my left side and I missed it completely. :lol: or maybe I should *sigh* and :cry: instead. No fun losing one's hearing.

Well, I'm posting because maybe I have something for you all that fits in here.

Last week I had a dream that stayed with me strong. It would seem it was a dream about MJ and the LITD girl, but from the girl's perspective. I was a detached observer of them both, but that doesn't become evident till the end. And the end has a good message for us all to keep in mind, I should think. But the first part of the dream I was feeling what the girl was feeling and thinking, something like how Moddie's dreams she would share with us had worked. (Now let's see if I can recell this dream well enough for you...I had the dream I think last Tuesday, a full week ago)

~ dream begins here:

The girl was in a stock room of a medical facility. Patients there were older and very sick...maybe it was like a hospice. A nurse kept coming in to get things for one patient, who seemed to need this and that. The girl asked her one time what the nurse was getting, and she said, "Now he's asking for slippers because he wants to walk around the palce and visit other patients...he's saying he's just about ready to leave here." The girl thought to herself, "Aren't all the patients here too sick to get out of here, and too sick to walk around even?" All of a sudden she thought, "This patient is Michael...he's pretending been pretending to be a patient here for some reason..." When the nurse had located the slippers in the right size the girl asked, "What size are they?" And the nurse replied, "Size 10." And the girl smiled to herself and thought, "I knew it!" Just then the patient walked into the room and was an older man but had obvious vigor and a glint in his eye. He saw the girl but he went on with his communicating with the nurse and the girl thought, "What's he up to? Nice disguise; he'd fool anyone" Then he walked out of the room with the nurse and the girl felt sad because she couldn't talk to him and would definitely not let on to anyone who he really was. But she wished things weren't the way they were, and she could have a "real life" connection with him.

Next scene, it is a crowded street, people were all shoving to get in a line where they were being led by security past MJ, who was in his Bad tour outfit (he was the MJ from that era) and they were given about a second or two each to say hello and shake his hand. The girl thought, "Well, there he is, the King of Pop, so removed from me" and she was going to leave the scene, but thought again, "Why not, why not stand in line, it may be my only way to make contact with him and have the opportunity to touch him...I obviously have to become a fan at this moment, blend in, and seize the moment."

So the dream speeds forward and it is her turn to greet Michael, and he looks at her and she looks at him, but is careful to show nothing, because they are infront of people with many eyes on them, and he shows nothing but puts his hand out for her to shake and when she does...(I don't know if you remember this one dream of Moddie's where the LITD girl is sitting on a bed while she and MJ are talking with another gal, and the LITD girl is feeling concerned for MJ, so before he walks away, she touching his leg to get his attention. Moddie wrote all excited to us, "It was as if I felt his leg! It was so real, like I was feeling it!" something like that. Well, that's what happened here....I felt his hand in mine...it was so real, guys). Back to the girl...she feels an amazing warmth from that touch and it fills her, but she keeps in check, and releases it before it would seem too long or draw attention, and she looks at his eyes before moving on and his eyes tell her nothing.

As she walks away from him and the greeting line and has moved herself way off to the side of the activity going on, she thinks, "Well, that's that. But it was worth it...I'll never forget how his hand felt in mine. If that's all I'll ever get, I will treasure it."

Just then, some guy approached her out of the blue and hands her a note. She had never seen this guy before and he nods for her to read it. She opens it up and sees it's from Michael. It tells her to go with this guy, to do it discretely and he will be waiting. Her heart jumps at the prospect of seeing him, and she trusts the guy. (wow, I don't think in real life I'd be that trusting, how 'bout you guys..this is definitely a dream...)

He takes her to a door in a large wall and once inside she sees it's a hidden, indoor canal and a canal boat is waiting there. He helps her into it and they take off. This part made me think of The Phantom of the Opera, but that was the dark sewer system if I remember correctly. This part, there was nothing dark about it in appearance or feel. It felt bright and hopeful, and that is how she was feeling, but also she was feeling uncertain and a little nervous.

Finally they come to a stop and he has her get out towards her right, and once on the platform he nods for her to walk through an opening there behind her and says, "He'll be there." Then her escort departs in the boat and she is alone. But she walks forward...into, which for her, was the unknown.

Once through the arched opening she sees in the short distance before her a tent like you would see maybe in Arabian Nights, but looking maybe more like a harem tent?...because the curtains all around it were of white sheer material. She can see someone is calmly sitting there within on pillows. No one else is anywhere around, this is a completely secluded, private and intimate place that has been set up here.

She pulls back the curtain opening and she sees it's Michael...just Michael being Michael...who he really is...no King of Pop here, but a true prince among men with a kingly heart. And he puts his arms out to receive her and she hurries into them happily and openly with freedom. There was so much pure love there being exchanged. And then they begin to kiss, but before they "connect" suddenly I, the dreamer, am outside the tent at a distance seeing their silhouette. And their shadow outlines indicate they are kissing intimately. I, the dreamer, say to myself, "This is an intimate private thing going on here that I should not be watching...it is not business, it is a private special thing for the two of them only. It's not right for me to be here." And I turn my back to the tent, and walk away in the opposite direction.

Then I woke up.

Some thoughts on this. I personally feel the tent at the end could represent their "spiritual connection." That is the only place (in the dream, but maybe in real life when MJ was alive) where they were able to meet. It was a very intimate and sacred thing. A private place they could come to when they wanted to be with each other. And I guess, from what the dream communicated, it was for no one else's eyes, and was no one else's business. Because they were star secret friends. :)

When I, as the dreamer, was seeing their outline kiss, and felt the strong intimate bond between them, it felt not good, like I was dangerously slipping into voyeurism. It really is unhealthy for fans to be so very interested in MJ's romantic/sex life and wishing to know all the details of anything he's ever done with past romantic interests in his life. I should hope if before MJ died and he was able to be with the LITD girl, and they chose to make it known publically, that the fans would not go that route, and be overly interested in everything they did together, but would have let them have their life together in peace.

I am a prolific dreamer, but not all dreams stay with me or make much sense. This one did stay with me and I am even surprised here how well it did come back as I was typing it out for you today.

Feel free to interpret or just enjoy and take it for what it is. Blessings to you all in here. :ciao:

MysteriousPhoenix

14-08-2012, 08:15 PM

Hey Lisha! Nice to see you back in the thread! I was just thinking the other day how I really missed Moddie's dreams. Thanks for sharing yours. I will have to read it a few times and then see if I can come up with some sort of interpretation. There are some very interesting things in there.

There seem to be three representations of MJ in the dream:

1.) Old, Sickly Man
2.) Bad Era Far-Removed King of Pop (Why the Bad era?)
3.) Michael Just Being Michael and Being More Intimate and Hiding Out in Indoor Canal

Lisha

15-08-2012, 08:08 PM

Hi MP, I hope you are doin' well. You're such a blessing to this thread. All those songs you find, wow! EDIT: Just saw your post's edit and your list of three representations of MJ in that dream. Interesting....hmmm...

Anyway, I woke up this morning thinking about that dream I had and just posted, and my thoughts went over some things that I thought I'd write down for you all here. It's been awhile since I've done some thinking about all of this and felt led to post and share.

In here many of us have thrown out theories, and one that seemed recurring is the idea that MJ one day long, long ago, had an interaction with the LITD girl. Some thought it even possible that at that moment,his first sight or experience of her, "he knew," meaning she was the one for him.

Now I just again heard a personal account of this from a wonderful woman of God who I know that has been married to the same man for 27 years. He is so faithful and supportive to her and has a gentle spirit about him. I had wondered how she came to know he was the one for her. She is very prophetic and has had amazing experiences throughout her whole life walking with the Lord. She has great stories of her experiences with angels and wel, just, again, amazing things...she is so close to and attuned with God. I love heraring her share.

So to my enjoyment at a small group meeting I attended on Friday night, she decided to briefly share something about her first meeting wiht her husband, and she said this,

"When I shook this man's hand for the first time (and she was sounding a bit emotional now) I felt something like electricity going through me up and down and I heard God say to me 'This is the man I have for you...do you want him...or not?' I was so surprised at the question but at that moment I felt myself fill up with such love for this man; I fell deeply in love with him on the spot. So I was able to say to God, "I want him!"

So, did Michael have a similar experience with the LITD girl? But, if so, as we have discussed in here so often...what then went wrong? SoS offerred one possibility through lovely creative writing :) ...and basically this thread is made up with a lot of creative ideas on our parts to try to make this romance we've become attached to workable and believable.

But obviously the LITD girl slipped away from MJ before he could solidify the relationship. But he never stopped loving her? Was his first encounter of/with her such an impacting event, with God so very present, like my friend's account, that he would never take it lightly or forget it, nor the love that came to him for her at that moment?

I have not followed, all these years, the Harry Potter series. Never read the books; never saw the films. Now it's quite clear that Michael's young daughter is very into the series. She's posted quite a bit about it, and she managed to get me curious. I went on YouTube to watch a few videos to get the gist of the main storyline, and maybe a few of the others going on in it. I can say that Ms. Rowlings crafted quite the engaging tale. And her one developed background story, that is quite an important element really, regarding Severus and Harry's mother, did not get past me. Now Harry's mum, Lily, seemed to make the type of choice that would be so painful for a man, she picked someone over Severus, and he had to watch them in love right before his eyes, and yet, and yet, his love would not waiver.

What is the line that Paris tweeted, forgive me for not knowing all the characters name's exactly, but "Dumble" something asks Severus, "After all this time" and Severus says, "Always." Meaning his love for Lily is eternal.

Now, notice Paris is affected by this kind of love that can't be actualized for the man yet he'll never let that love die. She tweeted something, indicating that inspite of some of those fictional romances noted for having grabbed the hearts of many, the kind of love she wants from someone one day is the love Serverus had for Lily.

If MJ felt God told him who was the one for him years and years ago and God gave him a deep, special love for her on the spot, a love so eternal, than his subsequent choices in romance might have confused onlookers. Now the LITD girl probably didn't choose some guy over him, like Lily did over Severus (for could any woman choose someone over MJ!!!! lol) but she probably did make a choice that took her in the opposite direction of him and he could not get to her. He did try the marriage thing a couple times, and those marriages even confused onlookers. And then he chose not to marry again on up to the day he died. This, too, was confusing to nearly all...

Nearly all, but perhaps not all...not to Paris, I should think, for she understands and is accepting of a love that is so deep and divine that a man can live his whole life loving a woman he can't be with, and loving her even beyond life, loving her: "Always." Perhaps this kind of love was modeled to her. So she understands it and believes in it.

SoS in the recent post that was quoted of yours, from awhile back in this thread, your position was that their spiritual relationship was more fulfilling than one might guess and it became enough for them, somehow.

In my dream, if the end reflects their "sacred" meeting place, their spiritual relationship and place of connection, then I can see it as a very intimate and special thing that could keep them going perhaps, because there they find love. Not just any kind love, but a love so divine. Sweet and pure.

And like a recent poster said, a love that doesn't need to be marred...if I am remembering that correctly.

So, only a few could be expected to understand this kind of love set up by God for one lonely man who wanted more and one lonely woman who needed more. And this kind of love was their answer.

(sometmes my keyboard doesn't respond when I hit a key so letters are left off, sorry if I didn't catch all those incidences in the body of my writing here)

These are just some ideas and thoughts. I hope I do not offend anyone by bringing Paris into my discussion; I mean no harm by it, she just stimulated my thinking on this. :)

SoS

17-08-2012, 10:48 PM

WARNING: LONGER THAN WAR AND PEACE

hi, Lisha. :hiya: Hi Ape, Hi All. Yes Lisha, it is good to see you back and to be posting with you again after so long a time. Yes MP btw, you are so gifted at choosing the songs. :) amazing

Well, this will be very quick, just letting you know I got the notification that I had a new post to respond to in here so trying to do so quickly :) and I have to admit something that probably goes without saying and yet probably shouldn't go without saying and that is that I am always really trying hard to 'suspend reality' and to go with the flow of the 'storyline' that has already been observed and more or less 'established' by the thread starter so whenever you begin to try and 'pin down' a 'position' I have in here, just know I just try to stay with the flow of the musical stories (MJ is a great story teller) and the spirit of the thread starter's original theory as we observe the music.

I do feel its like you acknowledged of my impressions just a while back here, that being that it is possible imho that the musical expressions possibly depict a composite due if nothing else to the numbers of people who have probably been in the types of scenarios we have talked about here (eg., crowd scenes etc.) and so when I look at the position MJ has been in all of his life, there have been possibly hundreds of females per city who could be categorized in certain terms to 'represent' any number of the "women" we have heard about in the music thereby creating the "composite" of which we speak.

I noticed ironically that the women he has reported to have been linked with inreal life do not figure prominantly within the musical storylines if at all so as Ash is quick to point out, it may well be the amazing use of artistic license and imagination coupled with knowing what people like to hear that makes this all so intriguing. But ahaha I come off way to "realisitic" and "analytical" so I try and lean into the flow of what we have here as much as I can.

As for the dream, I tend to feel that dreams are more about the dreamer than the dream itself so its a little harder for me to suspend reality long enough to really get carried away by the "circumstances" and "observations" in dreams but I find them entertaining and interesting.

As for MJ's daughter :), I'd imagine that her feelings about it could be tied in with the distance between her mom and dad if its true what is written about their circumstances, and the natural inclination of a child to hold out 'hope' that there could be some day a complete expression of togetherness from their two 'sources' of life? I didn't read Harry Potter either although both my daughters did. I may see what they say :) Fun inquiry.

I also feel its possible that with adults, such as we who are observing the music, a lot of times, many experiences people have had cause them to add "meaning" to just about everything they observe, hear about or experience so its rather a sensitive thing to actually attempt discerning the truth in something as fanciful as songs, just by definition alone, BUT - its fun :)

so with that said ...

I'm glad you like the "deaf" take on things although I tend to dismiss it because in our context of this being a spiritual connection, I don't suppose its plausible that God would give the primary form of communication as being music and then have "her" unable to physically hear any of it whatsoever. Of course, we could go with a different tack such as perhaps they happened to meet by going into the same door at the same time, you know how that is, when you do that awkward "dance" thing and they had that quick interaction just before MJ had to get on stage, or get on a plane and leave town or perhaps they met backstage and had a blessed conversation (I don't recall how we decided they hadn't really talked?) and maybe couldn't wait to see "her" again (if there is a her) and wrote about it instead of taking the time out of his all-consuming career to look her up in the phone book and call it a day, :giggle: of course though, had he done that, we wouldn't be here doing this now would we? MJ does know how to keep our attention

:unsure: I had another reason why my 'deaf' idea wasn't quite as plausible as I'd hoped ... I'll have to revisit it but on another note, could "she" also be a fellow performer? who 'met' him backstage and had to go their seperate ways? :unsure: oh, I also forgot that we decided she wasn't a performer .... Ok will read the thread again to regain context :lol:

Happy Friday Everyone :flowers:

:unsure: well, on a more personal note

This is a rare night for me, making myself available for something so much fun that keeps me in one space for so long. Its too unfathomable the time it takes to be here and do this and it reminds me of once when I was watching an interview with Katherine Jackson many, many years ago and she was talking about Michael when he was younger and how he'd walk by the door and see them sitting there watching TV and stick his head in the door and go, (somth like) "eh what r y'all still doing just sitting there when there is a whole world to be explored, a whole life to be lived out there' and he'd laugh (AND LEAVE the premesis! LOL) that's how my dad was as I'd explained about the time I was watching him and my true "idol" from my teen years, (while most ppl had the heart throbs around I had all DR movie posters, magazine covers, fave album covers etc. with a few other movie posters and heart throbs tossed in) Mz Diana Ross together and my dad came and popped the TV off in my face and gave me that very same lecture LOL!! so needless to say when I sit here too long I feel massive guilt!!! ROTFL how krayzee is it eh, hahaha so anyway, while my own personal life is still in need of my me lol I will allow my 'Inner MJ" and my "Inner My Dad" to shush and see if anyone else is available to have some fun with this site for a change. eh, I am remiss in creating myself as a donor btw, are you? Let's shore it up and do what we must on that front. MJ wants us all to have the 'take-away' that giving is the road to bliss. I'll be around another hour and a half to two for sure if you are :) (whomsoever u may be LOL) else, it may be a while before I get a chance to focus again in one space for this long LOL

On another note, I feel to share about my cousin again because its coming up on his birthday again (I guess you all reminded me and yes Happ Happ Happy Birfday to UALL! :) and so I think of him every August 29th as he shared it with MJ although I had thought it was August 28th for the longest until all of his siblings corrected me that he was born the year before on the same day and not the day before on the same year :giggle: and he was third from the youngest of 6 boys and 3 girls and he was the greatest dancer in high school, a dance style so unique that it caused everyone in the football stands, who watched him lead the marching band out at half time, it caused themto all stand and go crazy cheering no matter how rivaled the teams, it was an amazing sight, the girls oh my goodness would follow him home haha and so wold the boys half the time to try to beat him up out of jealousy, it was amazing to experience this and as kids, his nick name for me was Liza ahaha because of the way I wore my eye make up at 14 LOL ... their family name started with a 'J' and was 7 letters and they were a family business, a barber and beauty shop so yeh, shout out for Rap, one of the most gifted people ever born who was my cuzin. And gone too soon. mello1, if u read this, I wonder if u could send me a PM oh sorry folks, thanks for reading. I'm sure yous understand. Thank yous.

SoS

17-08-2012, 11:14 PM

HI Magicgirl :hiya: (luv yur nic!)

I have quoted this long post because it is interesting what u wrote and I feel also worth any discussion anyone has time for this evening (hopefully this evening anyway) and I bolded the bottom line which I wonder if you could elaborate on. What do you mean by, 'it might be a clue'? Did you explore it further and what'd u find out? :)

If anyone else wishes to comment on Magicgirl's post feel free as well for my part. It a very long post that appears to be full of much insight. Well worth detail discussion I feel. As for the reversed lyrics, I don't know if I hear it quite as the interpreter does, do you?

Well, I was not going to return to this thread as I thought it came to its dead end or to its logical end, but as it seems it continues I will add my 10 cents. From my point of view it were not friends, work associates, acquaintances and so on that were keeping them apart. I think it were bad choices of both of them. Some people after going through a sequence of bad choices finally find their right road so to say, for some is too late, some never find their right road. So if to take Bible there are two powers operating in this world - good and evil. Let's imagine that when God wanted her approach him Devil interfered in the form of bad choice called "Lisa Marie", when she wanted again the next bad choice called Debbie appeared. After MJ got free from bad choices maybe she did her bad choices as well. And finally when God wanted it to happen, evil interfered again in the form of bad choice number three called Doctor Conrad Murray.

I still keep this song in my mind:

"All in your name"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ue3fVxlQus

I will copy lyrics from google:

"All In Your Name"
(with Barry Gibb)

Now I got a mission
The story unfolds
What the wise men have told you, is already known
That a woman and a man
Should go by the plan
And we find out how high we can fly

There's just one religion
One family of love
We suffer the children
As God cries above
And the giving, not the taking
With hearts open wide
And it looks like we fall
And it burns like a flame
Any ground that I claim

So what is my life
If I don't believe
There is someone to watch me
Follow my dreams
Take all my chances, like those who dare
And what of our world
What does it become
When the damage is done
And you held out, you said no, you stand up

[Michael]
Only God knows
That it's all in the game
It's all in your name
Carry me to the gates of paradise
They're the same
It's all in your name

[Barry]
Look to Heaven
An angel of peace
To love and protect us
Through all of our tears
And the gateway to peace
It stands open wide
And it looks like we fall
And it burns like a flame
Any ground that I claim

So what is my life
If I don't believe
There is someone to watch me
Follow my dreams
Take all my chances, like those who dare
And where is the peace
We're searching for
Under the shadows of war
Can we hold out, and stand up, and say no

[Michael]
Only God knows
That it's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me to the gates of paradise
They're the same
It's all in your name

[Barry]
Spread the words. Now it is
Love you, and understand you
In the line on, interesting
will they all know (?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Barry]
Then we'll all know(?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Michael]
See? that it's done(?)

[Barry]
And it's all in your name

[Michael]
It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same {yeah yeah, yeah yeah}

It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same
They're the same {yeah yeah}

It's all in the game
It's all in your name
Follow me through the gates of paradise
They're the same

It says: "Follow me to the gates of paradise"
Maybe God had the plan for them, but Devil had another plan... But as good always wins their souls will meet at the gates of paradise as is mentioned in this song:))))))))))))

I really enjoy this song, maybe it brings some light in the darkness of our speculations.
Another phrase I couldn't quite get was "they're the same", were the gates meant, or 2 people who were the same? Maybe they were the same?

and some phrases about which I wonder:
"Spread the words. Now it is
Love you, and understand you
In the line on, interesting
will they all know (?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Barry]
Then we'll all know(?)

[Michael]
It's over

[Michael]
See? that it's done(?)

[Barry]
And it's all in your name"

At least something has been done in her name or in the name of the mankind? Something she has asked for? And the message was sent to her?

Hope you enjoyed my interpretation.

There is an interesting article on Internet that I found called "God has a plan" that maybe fitts the subject of discussion:

http://dlministries.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/god-has-a-plan/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98IdLKSGnc
- and this MJ song was backmasked at youtube and they think there was a message to a girl there. You see? I try this thread to be running as long as I can't afford a dream vacation to Hawaii and have to sit at home all days with my son.

Now I made a research in wikipedia concerning "This is it" song:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_It_(Michael_Jackson_song) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_It_%28Michael_Jackson_song%29)

It says it was written by Michael Jackson and Paul Anker in 1983, later this song was sang by Sa-Fire in 1991 and it had another name "I never heard", but if to compare lyrics of both songs here:

http://www.lyrics.com/i-never-heard-lyrics-safire.html

http://www.metrolyrics.com/this-is-it-lyrics-michael-jackson.html

the lyrics differs much and the melody was changed from jolly to somehow sad. So I wonder why they call it an old song if it was completely changed. I guess it was maybe changed for a girl, because there is a message in reversed "This is it" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M98IdLKSGnc

Then somebody backmasked (reversed) Sa-Fire's "I never heard" and though they say it's the same as "This is it" no clear message is heard in it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8l5s2xF1YI

I also read that many musicians nowadays put these backmasked messages into their songs on purpose. When it's not done on purpose it is said that when the song is backmasked (reversed) by special software one can find online then it's just a number of senseless syllables. And the message is heard clearly when it has been done on purpose. It is written in wikipedia about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking

So I suggest to study lyrics of both songs and suggest why the song has been changed so much, especially the text.

In the video of reversed "This is it" [B]at the end there are some lines with long question marks, where it is not understandable what is said, I think this might be a clue.

Ashtanga

17-08-2012, 11:42 PM

:girl_sigh:

SoS

17-08-2012, 11:49 PM

:giggle:

Lisha

18-08-2012, 12:40 AM

Well, SoS, it doesn't look like I will be able to chit-chat with you back and forth in here, for I just attempted to respond to your posts and I lost it all. Sooo...there goes that.

Let's see, I spoke some about dreams, and I was real boring.

And I gave some comments about Magicgirl's post, but nothing I said was profound.

I closed it with something pretty good...but I can't recall it exactly.

Oh, *sigh* Wasn't meant to be. I need to make dinner now and then I'm taking off for the evening. Maybe I'll catch ya next time and the compy will be well behaved. *waves*

SoS

18-08-2012, 01:23 AM

^ :giggle: well thanks for the recap

Magicgirl

18-08-2012, 08:30 PM

Thank you Lisha for sharing your dreams, they sound interesting, I don't dream of anything now for long. If you are a profilic dreamer, then maybe what you dream is presented in symbols and is not exactly what a person thinks it is. Maybe this road you dreamt of represented a way to God? Which every person will take when time comes. Because MJ is now by God and this place you've seen might have been heaven? and God maybe has sent him as angel on earth to watch the old patients in that hospital?

SoS, I didn't find any clues in that song in unreadable part,
in the reversed song it was said "I must beyound the woods and leave my land",
this text led me to this web-site found through
google with strange text, which is on almost every page if to explore the web-site:
http://www.beyondthewoods.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1032:an-affordable-kitchen-transforming-your-living-space&catid=96:sample-news&Itemid=377

This is not latin and probably not pseudo latin to fill-in the empty spaces in the web-site temporary. Because years passed and it was never replaced with real text. I have no idea really. Maybe it has nothing to do with MJ song as well.

Anyway I am in much stress now because my mom which is 75 has fallen from the stairs recently and has broke her hip and is not clear if they will do a surgery, she is in a hospital, not to mention the child that is yelling all the time and when I don't come up starts hitting his head on the wood of the bed, my dad has cancer, I can't go to work and with all that I don't have time to be creative in this thread.

SoS

18-08-2012, 09:44 PM

Wow Magicgirl, that is a lot you are going through. My heart goes out to you. :heart:

Hopefully you are able to somehow destress in small ways such as going to a place of tranquility like parks and such and hopefully this thread as some form of 'escapism' is one way to de-stress also, although I can certainly understand being far removed from feeling that creative impulse to have ideas flowing for this thread although I will say it is a refreshment to see you post, and to feel the light energy of 'magicgirl' - to see your nik gives off some of that wonderous feeling of 'magic' imho, which this thread is in a sense, all about, so thank you for that and thanks for the chance to read the impressions to have offerred, it makes me wish I'd asked why you felt the All In Your Name song was relevant - is it because MJ seems so intense and Gibb seems to be intrigued? Nevermind, that was just my overactive LITD imagination acting up :lol: so if you feel like posting about that it would be cool but if not I understand and thanks for the insights and thought stimulation you offerred! :) My prayer is you have support, comfort and aid during this trying time.

Thank you Lisha for sharing your dreams, they sound interesting, I don't dream of anything now for long. If you are a profilic dreamer, then maybe what you dream is presented in symbols and is not exactly what a person thinks it is. Maybe this road you dreamt of represented a way to God? Which every person will take when time comes. Because MJ is now by God and this place you've seen might have been heaven? and God maybe has sent him as angel on earth to watch the old patients in that hospital?

SoS, I didn't find any clues in that song in unreadable part,
in the reversed song it was said "I must beyound the woods and leave my land",
this text led me to this web-site found through
google with strange text, which is on almost every page if to explore the web-site:
http://www.beyondthewoods.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1032:an-affordable-kitchen-transforming-your-living-space&catid=96:sample-news&Itemid=377

This is not latin and probably not pseudo latin to fill-in the empty spaces in the web-site temporary. Because years passed and it was never replaced with real text. I have no idea really. Maybe it has nothing to do with MJ song as well.

Anyway I am in much stress now because my mom which is 75 has fallen from the stairs recently and has broke her hip and is not clear if they will do a surgery, she is in a hospital, not to mention the child that is yelling all the time and when I don't come up starts hitting his head on the wood of the bed, my dad has cancer, I can't go to work and with all that I don't have time to be creative in this thread.

Ashtanga

19-08-2012, 01:30 AM

Anyway I am in much stress now because my mom which is 75 has fallen from the stairs recently and has broke her hip and is not clear if they will do a surgery, she is in a hospital, not to mention the child that is yelling all the time and when I don't come up starts hitting his head on the wood of the bed, my dad has cancer, I can't go to work and with all that I don't have time to be creative in this thread.

:(

I feel sorry for you! :better: :hug: Prayers for them! :pray: Be strong, surely God is looking at you and family :yes: .... everything will be OK soon. ;) :heart: Keep the faith!

AllOverAgain

19-08-2012, 02:36 PM

I know we don't talk about names in here, but I think if anyone was his Love in the Dark it must have been Talitha. She has this really sweet website http://michaeljacksonthelastangel.com where she wrote about several of her encounters with MJ. From reading there it is clear the me that she was closer to him than many many other fans.
She talks about private meetings with MJ on her page, that she was invited into his home, had phone conversations with him and even got to attend a private movie screening with him and the children, that he sent her a picture of them together signed by him and rode on the limo with him through Vegas. I'm sure there are many more private memories she has with MJ that she, righteous so, hasn't shared. Also, from the pictures where they hug, and the way he talked to her sometimes as she shared, it's clear the me that he must have liked her very very much. They look cute together though.

Sorry if this is out of the line for this thread. I just came across Talitha's website again and while reading there it just hit me all of a sudden how much she actually fits here into this thread.

Ashtanga

20-08-2012, 03:04 AM

I know we don't talk about names in here, but I think if anyone was his Love in the Dark it must have been Talitha.

:blink:

No comments about it..... :censored: :fear:

She has this really sweet website http://michaeljacksonthelastangel.com where she wrote about several of her encounters with MJ. From reading there it is clear the me that she was closer to him than many many other fans.
She talks about private meetings with MJ on her page, that she was invited into his home, had phone conversations with him and even got to attend a private movie screening with him and the children, that he sent her a picture of them together signed by him and rode on the limo with him through Vegas. I'm sure there are many more private memories she has with MJ that she, righteous so, hasn't shared. Also, from the pictures where they hug, and the way he talked to her sometimes as she shared, it's clear the me that he must have liked her very very much. They look cute together though.

Sorry if this is out of the line for this thread. I just came across Talitha's website again and while reading there it just hit me all of a sudden how much she actually fits here into this thread.

She is not the only fan who had the opportunity to be with him. :nono: There are many other fans who have many, many, many stories with Michael. Many others also were close and often with him. Obviously these fans prefer to keep private their stories with Michael and NEVER will share. -_- :fear:

Lainy

20-08-2012, 03:15 AM

Magicgirl I'm so sorry you're going through this. I'm praying for complete healing your parents and extra strength for you and your family.

Hey guys, thanks so much for your posts. I really enjoy reading them.:)

AllOverAgain nice post, thanks for share. Talitha seems to me a fan with some beautiful/cute moments with her idol. I think the woman who was with Michael (if there is a woman) would be very discreet. Probably she would avoid sharing any part of her life with him. I think it would be wiser to do. Just my opinion. Anyway, I'm glad that someone could be there for him.

Have a great week!

Ashtanga

20-08-2012, 03:20 AM

talitha seems to me a fan with some beautiful/cute moments with her idol.

I think the woman who was with michael (if there is a woman) would be very discreet. probably she would avoid sharing any part of her life with him. i think it would be wiser to do.

Sure!!!! -_-

Magicgirl

20-08-2012, 07:51 PM

thanks for support to all, yes, I go to parks, but... there will be no surgery for my mom, she was refused in it or maybe also not really eager to undergo it, this is an awful feeling to have to watch her for months how she will be most likely dieing.

jrsfan

20-08-2012, 08:33 PM

MysteriousPhoenix

21-08-2012, 07:31 PM

Magicgirl, you are in my thoughts and prayers.

For You:

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8701girl

24-08-2012, 03:49 AM

Hey guys i know i havent been posting much on h ere but i was wondering what do u think of a dream i had of mj last saturday night:

Well on saturday night i had seen kenny wizz live in concert with a friend and later that night a i had a dream of michael. i dreamnt that i was walking into the theatre and i could hear was mj singing "childhood" in the background

Could this dream mean his finally having the childhood he never had in heaven? looking forward to everyone's thoughts :)

lulubelle

24-08-2012, 03:58 PM

Magic girl, praying for you and your Mom.

Iceberg

29-08-2012, 03:47 AM

Dear Michael,
Happy Birthday!!!
3kk3N4RFuV4

Ashtanga

29-08-2012, 04:07 AM

Dear Michael,
Happy Birthday!!!
3kk3N4RFuV4

Yes! :woohoo:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qnv8f4KHXfc/TL0dJSytXXI/AAAAAAAAB2M/_A7wgWc1sC8/s1600/ShirleyTemple.jpg :wub:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9hmxlZL3N1r2ypnoo1_500.gif :D

I love you dear Michael :wub: .... FOREVER! :girl_sigh: :girl_give_heart: I miss you every day.... :cry: *big sigh*

MysteriousPhoenix

29-08-2012, 07:48 PM

Lisha

13-09-2012, 03:29 AM

This thread is DEAD!! DEAD,DEAD, DEAD!! :lol:

Let's see if we can wake up this thread, if only for short awhile. Wake up Sleeping Beauty! :D

First of all... how exciting!!!...so few days left now till we get new music by the one and only King of Pop! The whole package sounds wonderful, but I know fans are very up for these new releases.

I'm not thinking any of them will be new material for us in here, though, do you guys? I haven't heard all the snippets, but are any of them love songs? I didn't get the impression they were.

I do know I like the sound of Free already! :clap: That snippet I heard...so fine...I love his voice on it. :swoon: lol

So if there are no love songs to decipher...well, gee...this thread is all about MJ reaching the LITD girl through his lyrics..I mean, just consider what Moddie says here during a discussion about Invincible:

I love the way you describe, "Invincible", a love letter set to music.

That is the perfect description(imo).

"She' was definately no longer in his life or within his reach during the making of Invincible. Many lyrics from that cd was him "calling her back to them". He wanted her to hear those songs, he wanted her to hear his pleading, and longing to have her back in his life.

When I first heard certain lyrics and how he sang them from Invincible, I was convinced his heart was saddened and he yearned for a certain and particular woman of whom he onced had and held close.

I wonder if any future releases will be Edited or left Alone?

Isn't it interesting what Moddie asked there in the end? :) Why, yes, Moddie, releases are comin' soon (and NOT edited)! :wild:

I remember asking once in here (but I couldn't locate the convo) if MJ ever tired of waiting for God to bring his LITD girl and him together...if he'd give up on her and it all. Especially when all around him always there were so many "fish" in the sea, and some very alluring ones at that. Or if even after he and the LITD girl were together, if he'd mess around on her (maybe I didn't ask that one...quite a few of us were talkin in here at the time).

But, I recall AllForMJ responding with surprising confidence that no way would MJ have done that after how long he had waited, especialy since he knew that God had shown him that the LITD girl was the love so divine he had asked for... so many years previously. From all the songs we have covered in here, he seemed to have prayed long and hard for her, and AllForMJ didn't feel he would have thrown that all away, instead he would protect their love. Man, I wish I could find her post, I'm sure she worded it so much better than I am.

We've talked in here about there being a 3D girl along with the LITD girl, but that wouldn't fit with what AllforMJ was feeling, I think. Juggling them both? A spiritual love and an "in person" love at the same time?

And yet, there has been much talk of MJ having had a girlfriend in that last bit before he went to heaven back in June 2009. Different insiders have said as much or implied as much, without ever giving too much detail. And there have been quite a few ladies who have done a pretty good job with giving one the impression they might have been his girlfriend, or even the LITD...at least they make one think they had something goin' with the man. Who can know otherwise, right? Not us. What do we know? We're too much in the man's biz as it is. lol.

So, could he have been one to weaken (he was only human, afterall, and he was a 100% MALE) and get himself caught up with some lovely female (not the LITD girl) who created that fantasy feel...which he has always loved... ya know... a love that made him feel like he was up in the clouds, and wouldn't come down to earth for nuttin.' Or would God be able to yank him down if he was off-track?

Listen to what AllForMJ says here:

Actually, because MJ loved Disney stories very much, it does kind of seem like he was hoping to be rescued in a way that is similar to what happens in a fairytale. In a fairytale, it often happens in a very mystical and magical way.

Look at what he said here many years ago about being rescued...

"Girls want to rescue me from loneliness, but they do it in such a way that they give me the impression they want to share my loneliness, which I wouldn't wish on anybody, because I believe I am one of the loneliest people in the world.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about knowing that the barriers that have separated me from others are temptingly low and seemingly easy to jump over and yet they remain standing while what I really desire disappears from my sight."

Now, notice that the song "One More Chance" which he selected as the new song to release in 2003 on his "Number Ones" CD has a line that says, "Come and rescue me out of this storm." Then, in "The Way You Love Me" which is the love song he released in 2004 during the trial, he said, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." Notice that he also said, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." Additionally, he said, "The world's a better place 'cause you came in time. You took away the rain and brought the sunshine."

It is very apparent, from looking at the way that he actually started cheering up, putting out positive love songs, smiling, laughing, giggling, and looking very vibrant again before our very eyes, that someone figured out how to do what he wanted done.

But, hmm, if that was the LITD girl who got him like that, like AllForMJ is saying above, wouldn't that "high" if he never could have been -actually- with her, wear off? And wouldn't someone in the flesh who could supply all that for him, be very welcomed? How strong could he be?

Nobody knows all the relationships MJ had goin' on with different women; he could at anytime have been out there being up on cloud nine with some woman who attracted him. Maybe being on cloud nine and experiencing a fairytale relationship began to have more appeal than waiting for the same woman he had waited for forever and who God just never got around to deliver.

It seems that MJ's daughter (oh but wait, SoS, Paris seems to not prefer "MJ's daughter" so maybe I'll go ahead and say her name in this thread afterall, :cheeky:) responded to a question on her formspring if a particular female that was "named" had been MJ's girlfriend and she said "nope." Maybe she will be asked about some of these other women that have made one think they were his girlfriend and the fans will finally stop focusing on them and making more of a relationship that was never there (that sounds healthy)... and maybe even some posers will be exposed. That would nice. I have a hard time with posers, and I'd feel like giving Paris a big hug if she ended up spoiling their act.

Anyway, I came across this post of MP's which was interesting...good song with fitting lyrics:

I know someone already posted this song a while ago (I think maybe Lily), but it has been running through my head for like the past two days or so, so I thought maybe I was supposed to post it again. It's the song, "It Might Be You" from the movie "Tootsie." It's old, I know, but it's very pretty ... and fits this thread!

It Might Be You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrofYIAml5s

IT MIGHT BE YOU (Stephen Bishop)

Time, I've been passing time watching trains go by
All of my life
Lying on the sand watching seabirds fly
Wishing there could be someone
Waiting home for me
Something's telling me it might be you
It's telling me it might be you
All of my life

Looking back as lovers go walking past
All of my life
Wondering how they met and what makes it last
If I found the place would I recognize the face
Something's telling me it might be you
It's telling me it might be you

So many quiet walks to take
So many dreams to wake and there's so much love to make

I think we're gonna need some time
Maybe all we need is time

And it's telling me it might be you
All of my life

I've been saving love songs and lullabies
And there's so much more
No one's ever heard before
Something's telling me it might be you
Yeah, it's telling me it must be you and
I'm feeling it'll just be you
All of my life

It's you, it's you I've been waiting for all of my life
Maybe it's you Maybe it's you I've been waiting for all of my life.

Edit: I just realized that there is a line in there that refers to recognizing someone's face - interesting, considering the song "This Is It" talks about recognizing each other's face.

How would MJ recognize the face of the one God had for him?

God woud make it VERY, VERY clear through His Spirit, and many confirmations for MJ to stand on, and evidence that the things He spoke to MJ long ago, and the promises He told MJ in secret, are matching up. Doncha think?

One more thing, just for fun, and because I'm bored tonight and can waste time like this on light, fun things...

Paris, (oh there she is again, I keep bringing her up!) I think it is so cool that she has been having fun in "Cheer practice" at her school. Now I don't know if that means, for her school, that she is practicing to "try out" for cheer, or if the tryouts already took place before this school year, and she and her best friend both made it, and now they are learning their routines. But whichever, that she and her good friend are enjoying themselves is key! :D Yay! And so, in honor of that...I pulled out my scrapbook and found a pic from my high school days with me and my cheermates after we arrived at Cheerleading Camp at UC Santa Barbara (I blurred out the faces of the other girls, not mine tho, because they didn't request for their faces to be posted on the internet, ya know what I mean?! But they were a bunch of very cute California girls, that's for sure. haha)

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8779/ucsbcamp.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/ucsbcamp.jpg/)

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/ucsbcamp.jpg/

I'm the one that is taller than I appear here, I'm leaning way low on the car, and also I'm the one who just HAD to be an individual and wear gold color shorts instead of the agreed upon white...mind of my own already happenin', haha. (School colors were red, white, and gold) Looks like we are wearing red polos similar to what Paris wears sometimes to her school. Actually, I'm not real sure why I had different color shorts on...mystery, too long ago to know.

Growing up as a teen in the seventies...too much fun... :lol: Hope ya enjoyed the pic, and I know I am too far away in it to really see much of me. ;)

Are you still sleepy, LITD thread...wake up, wake up...

Ashtanga

13-09-2012, 03:44 AM

This thread is DEAD!! DEAD,DEAD, DEAD!! :lol:

Well, the magic was gone from June 25, 2009 :(, so.... :cry: *big sigh*

Lisha

13-09-2012, 05:29 PM

MysteriousPhoenix

13-09-2012, 06:40 PM

This thread is DEAD!! DEAD,DEAD, DEAD!! :lol:

Nah! Don't be fooled. This thread never dies. It just kinda goes "dormant" from time to time.

Speaking of Paris, I had recently been wondering if she was ever a fan of this thread since she seems to be into romance and such. I also wonder, being as inquisitive as she has always been and being of the age where she would probably begin being curious about such things, if she had ever asked her dad about his songs and if they were about a particular person or if he just sang them to sing 'em.

Ah, well, the mood in here does need to be lightened up a bit. Someone just reminded me of this song and I'm glad they did. It used to always put me in such a good mood. It always put me in a mood of "expectancy" every time I would listen to it. Maybe it will do the same for you! Maybe toniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

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(Had to post this one for all you Babs fans. This is actually the version I would listen to all the time and get myself really excited! I would even choreogragh a cool little dance routine for myself to go with it in my mind's eye! lol!)

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This pic IS cute! I wish ... we ALL ... could be ... California giiiiiiiiiiiiiirls! lol!

Ashtanga

14-09-2012, 02:34 AM

Awwww, Ashtanga. I know that you are missing Michael very, very much. :(

Can't even Ms. Shirley Temple cheer you up even a little bit? She's so cute and bouncy bubbly! Luv her. When she sings The Good Ship Lollipop in the cab of that airplane with all those guys who are crazy-fond about her, it is SO cute! What a doll she was there, in her short pleaded dress. When she pouts and rubs her tummy like she has a stomach ache from all the candy...so darling. She used to cheer up MJ all the time, right?

I think I would like to visit "the Peppermint Bay". :)

Things did not come back the way they were before.... the emptiness will remain. :( :cry: *big sigh*

I love this movie of Shirley. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/WildeRebellion/Gifs/tumblr_lo7lc6GhG21qfub5n.gif :heart: She is so beautiful! http://image.blingee.com/images18/content/output/000/000/000/6f4/654313632_319909.gif

8701girl

14-09-2012, 03:04 AM

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/Back2Basics/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Lisha http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/Back2Basics/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../showthread.php?p=3707851#post3707851)
This thread is DEAD!! DEAD,DEAD, DEAD!! http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/laugh.gif

Well, the magic was gone from June 25, 2009 http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/sad.gif, so.... http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/cry.gif *big sigh*

Awww :hug: ash

lol but then it somehow always comes back alive lol

Ashtanga

14-09-2012, 03:15 AM

Awww :hug: ash

lol but then it somehow always comes back alive lol

I know.... BUT for me, it will never be as before. :cry: *big sigh*

Anyway, I'll keep looking at this thread (always!) :yes: and on occasion, I'm going back to the past to remember the good times we had here. :girl_sigh: And the best thing is to think that Michael was here watching us, watching everything we were discussing. :heart: :wub: We love you dear Michael.... FOREVER! :girl_in_love:

8701girl

14-09-2012, 03:26 AM

I know.... BUT for me, it will never be as before. :cry: *big sigh*

Anyway, I'll keep looking at this thread (always!) :yes: and on occasion, I'm going back to the past to remember the good times we had here. :girl_sigh: And the best thing is to think that Michael was here watching us, watching everything we were discussing. :heart: :wub: We love you dear Michael.... FOREVER! :girl_in_love:

I feel the same way and yeh its good to know michael did take the time to read our discussions here on the forum

Lisha

16-09-2012, 12:17 AM

Nah! Don't be fooled. This thread never dies. It just kinda goes "dormant" from time to time.
Not dead yet, huh? But it is lookin' sickly, ya gotta say that at least. :lol:

Speaking of Paris, You're gonna bring her up, too? Oh good...I am not alone, you are here with me. ahaha. *sigh* I am such a nut, and I only have a few mins to write this post then I gotta go.

I had recently been wondering if she was ever a fan of this thread since she seems to be into romance and such. Wow, never thought of that...I was still trying to grasp the possibility that her dad even reading it. Now maybe her, too? Wouldn't she find this mumbo jumbo boring?

I also wonder, being as inquisitive as she has always been and being of the age where she would probably begin being curious about such things, if she had ever asked her dad about his songs and if they were about a particular person or if he just sang them to sing 'em.
Hmmm, interesting. MP, maybe she would have. She may be the only person walkin' this earth who is "in the know."

Ah, well, the mood in here does need to be lightened up a bit. Someone just reminded me of this song and I'm glad they did. It used to always put me in such a good mood. It always put me in a mood of "expectancy" every time I would listen to it. Maybe it will do the same for you! Maybe toniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!

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(Had to post this one for all you Babs fans. This is actually the version I would listen to all the time and get myself really excited! I would even choreogragh a cool little dance routine for myself to go with it in my mind's eye! lol!)

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Great song! I loved listening to it, and it DOES build up anticipation...of, of...well, somethin'. I just saw this actor recently, although it took me awhile to recognize him, in another film, The Dairy of Anne Frank. I was impressed that he was involved with such an important film (he played a teenage boy who becomes close to Anne) with a true story so haunting and affecting.

I like Babs' version, also!

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8779/ucsbcamp.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/ucsbcamp.jpg/)

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This pic IS cute! I wish ... we ALL ... could be ... California giiiiiiiiiiiiiirls! lol!
Thanks for thinking the pic is cute and would that be The Beach Boys' or Jan and Dean's song...I sometimes mix up their songs due to their similar styles.

I feel the same way and yeh its good to know michael did take the time to read our discussions here on the forum

Well, see, I'm not convinced he actually did now. You see...PARIS *looks around for SoS* Hahaha, she has to duck her head if she blazenly posts a "giggly" smiley OR I'll come after her with a smiley pointing a gun, and now I have to beware of her wrath...Should we call it even, Ms. STATEofSHOCK? Anyway, Paris has let it be known that her dad had a girlfriend right up to the day he died (yeah, she's got quite a few fans buzzing over that one) so I'm thinking, why would he want to hang around in this thread with a bunch of gals talking on and on about a fantasy girl? Hmmm?

Unless, here we are again, that was the 3D girl, and not the LITD girl. But doesn't that sound like we are grasping here? Or was it the LITD girl? :ermm:

And, well, if he did have a girlfriend all during that time surrounding the day he died, doesn't that not sit too well with you, Ash? I seem to remember in this thread you posting pretty much that no way would a girlfriend have not been able to prevent his fate, or if one was around, you would be VERY angry at her. Yes? So what are you thinking now.

So...unless you all can help me through this, I'm not thinking anymore that MJ was very into this thread. maybe he visited it once or something, and shook his head at us, and then he moved on to more fun threads like "The Curls" thread. That probably kept him more engaged and amused.

But this one? When he already had a main squeee hanging lovingly on his arm? Wouldn't she be confused why he'd be all interested in this subject matter?

:O

Ashtanga, thanks for posting the cute pics of Shirley!!! :clapping:

(gotta go....)

wire

17-09-2012, 10:19 AM

How do you know Michael was sometimes reading the discussions on the forum ??

Magicgirl

17-09-2012, 01:26 PM

as long as folks here mention a fate, one can never know his fate, or not? Would MJ really think or know or feel or want that it would end for him like that before he had found his LITD girl? Life suddenly seems so short. Can really person somehow receive a warning and prevent his fate? I wonder if any fan could predict that and try to prevent by keeping this doctor away? I started wondering this as few days ago I nearly got hit by a car of a crazy driver. He was driving in the evening (it was dark, but not too late) when it was red for him and I was crossing, on high speed (he didn't lower it at all) with car lights off and along oncoming lane. All other cars were standing. I nearly crossed the street when he jumped out from behind of those cars. I saw only a shadow of a long dark car, I was not sure it was a car but changed my walk into running, he passed few centimeters behind me and continued driving along oncoming lane. The man at the corner was amazed, I was in shock and imagined myself a superman flying after that crazy man and beating the shit out of him. Few days later I read the news, in the center of the city where I live approx. at that time some driver of the car that according to description might be of that type that has passed by, hit the column and lost his life. I have a feeling it was him. If he hit me probably he wouldn't end up hitting the column and my son would have been left an orphan and would have to go to asylum.

Nice picture of a girl group above.

MysteriousPhoenix

17-09-2012, 08:11 PM

Wow! Paris addressed my question awfully fast I see. Makes me believe she probably does lurk around here.

As far as MJ having had a girlfriend, I don't really doubt it. He has always had women in his life. Perhaps she is referring to that one lady named Shana. I also think it is possible that he could have had these 3-D women in his life and he still could've had an LITD in his heart just as his LITD may have liked to sometimes have 3-D men in her life (although it woulda been hard to compete with MJ).

Kinda reminds me of that song that goes:

"If ya can't be with the one you love, Honey, love the one your with ... Do do do do do do did do do do do do do did do did it did did it did! (Sorry, extreme stress makes one silly!)

Now I'm beginning to feel Ash's anger. If there really was a 3-D in his life, where was she on that fateful day? Couldn't she protect her man better than that? I think if it had been me, I really woulda been those people's worst nightmare! You've really gotta look out for your man - especially someone in MJ's position who would be so vulnerable. Or ... was MJ so strong-willed that nothing would've helped?

Well, anyway, I like controversial topics like this. It helps invigorate this "sickly" thread.

(Oh, that was The Beach Boys, btw. I really like their music.)

Lisha

17-09-2012, 11:33 PM

^ You're experiencing extreme stress?! Oh no! I hope as the day continues things will calm down for you; here's a scripture or two for you to stand on that I wil pull outta my head, um, "My peace I give you, My peace I leave with you" and "Cast all your cares (anxiety) on Him, for He cares for you" and , oh a longer one, "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything, with prayer and supplication, and thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God which transcends all understanding will guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus." Knowing me, that last one could be a hodge-podge of different translations, for I have memorized it my past with a couple different ones, so I mix them up all the time, and yeah. o.O haha. Stress Go Away! :D

So I had to go back to your post to figure out which question of yours Paris answered. This is the only one I found, I think...

...if she had ever asked her dad about his songs and if they were about a particular person or if he just sang them to sing 'em.

Did she respond to any of this? :wild: If she did I think I must have missed it, but THAT would be interesting to learn, both if he told her some of his songs were about a particular person, and who the lucky lady was.

Wow. That could resurrect this sickly thread a bit. :lol: We'd be back in the game. 'Cause I've been thinking, nah, we've all been wrong (Ash being the exception, of course!!!), and the LITD girl never, ever was (meaning, existed). And this thread has therefore been made up of page after page of delusional thinking and a bunch of fantasy. Gosh, and ouch, that would kinda hurt after all our affection for it. But...the truth is more important.

That's why I can appreciate Paris telling just enough details to not betray anything sacred or personal, but enough detail to help those who were entertaining the idea that they were the love in his life, or that they know someone who claims to be, that no...it isn't a match...can't therefore be them. And that will be hard to receive for some, probably, but perhaps after three years of MJ not being here and with him no longer being seen here and there looking al handsome and cute and stuff, to "feed" their fantasy, they may be more ready now to receive the truth, and be able to move on without feeling destroyed. Do you know what I mean? That is the healthy thing for them...much better than believing in a lie, even if it is a wondeful lie that makes them feel hopeful...it still is better to recognize the truth and accept it.

I'm sad if any of this does make some females out there sad. MP, you mention, Shana, but Paris was asked about her specifically, and pretty much made it clear it wasn't her. And I hope that has not hurt Shana, and that she will be able to still cherish whatever times she did have with MJ in her past...but move on. She is still young and beautiful and seems sweet. There must be a wonderful guy left out there just for her. :)

Some have wondered about Rushka, but Paris gave a detail that could seem to rule her out as well. But like Shana, Rushka has special memories with MJ that no one can take from her as well. And all the more discused "MJ women" that fans have loved talking about, those that would be considered "known" to the public, Paris has said this lady is not a celebrity, so that takes care of that...one would think. But then again, when someone wants to believe something badly enough, they will often respond on the defensive and/or disreguard the information given. *sigh*

So, I dunno, MP, you think the LITD girl still could have been a reality for MJ? You don't think we should give up on her that easily? Some of AllForMJ's posts, and SoS's, too, were very, very convincing in that they had lyric after lyric, song after song, that sure made it SEEM like he was in love with some girl that he couldn't be with, but wanted to and he could "feel" her. Maybe it was all just for entertainment.

Magicgirl, my goodness. I am glad you are all right and in one piece after that close call! Maybe God sent His angel to hurry you along when you broke out into that run.

To respond to your thoughts about how much could a girlfriend really do, and your comments, too, MP, yes, I keep thinking MJ had a mind of his own, especially in things regarding his career... would anyone be able to stop him if he was full speed ahead on doing something?

Forever unanswered questions. I don't think I'll be mad at the girl, though, if she was around and yet, he died, for I don't want to be angry or mad at anyone, for in the end giving myself over to that emotion and staying in that place of anger, I am the one who loses in the end. Best to go to bed at night giving all that anger up, and let peace reign in your heart instead.

Although, MP, I really enjoyed this paragraph of yours!

Now I'm beginning to feel Ash's anger. If there really was a 3-D in his life, where was she on that fateful day? Couldn't she protect her man better than that? I think if it had been me, I really woulda been those people's worst nightmare! You've really gotta look out for your man - especially someone in MJ's position who would be so vulnerable. Or ... was MJ so strong-willed that nothing would've helped?
We're back to STAND BY YOUR MAN!

Anyway, I've done a lot of yada yada yada,

Thanks for posting MP and Magicgirl!!! :)

EDIT: hi, wire, we don't really know for sure if MJ read this thread. But staff did awhile back confirm to us that he did come to MJJC and checked out some threads.

Ashtanga

18-09-2012, 02:01 AM

How do you know Michael was sometimes reading the discussions on the forum ??

:shifty: :fortuneteller: :girl_whistle: :P

why would he want to hang around in this thread with a bunch of gals talking on and on about a fantasy girl? Hmmm?

It's so simple.... why Michael was obviously, a very curious person. I believe he was not interested in the opinion/discussion of all here on the existence of a girlfriend, but the various interpretations that many shared here about your song. :fear:

And, well, if he did have a girlfriend all during that time surrounding the day he died, doesn't that not sit too well with you, Ash? I seem to remember in this thread you posting pretty much that no way would a girlfriend have not been able to prevent his fate, or if one was around, you would be VERY angry at her. Yes? So what are you thinking now.

Obviously I have not changed my opinion. -_- :nono: And how could I? After June 25, to know all the facts surrounding the death of Michael? So many people talked, talked, talked about many things, a lot of bla bla bla... So many people were there, nobody saw anything, nobody noticed anything strange, no one had the ability to do something... NOTHING! >>>> :wtf: :doh: Everything is so crazy to me.... :blink: And in the end, Michael was completely alone. :cry: How can I ignore it? It is impossible for me. It became so clear to me that Michael did not live in a fairy tale world. Unfortunately, he was surrounded by bad people and obviously there is still a lot that was going on, we do not know and never will know. That is the sad reality. But it's my opinion and I can not fantasize while looking for a sad reality. *big sigh* My heart hurts when I think about these things. :cry: (Sorry people.... :()

Ashtanga, thanks for posting the cute pics of Shirley!!! :clapping:

(gotta go....)

;)

Now I'm beginning to feel Ash's anger. If there really was a 3-D in his life, where was she on that fateful day? Couldn't she protect her man better than that? I think if it had been me, I really woulda been those people's worst nightmare! You've really gotta look out for your man - especially someone in MJ's position who would be so vulnerable. Or ... was MJ so strong-willed that nothing would've helped?

:worried:

8701girl

18-09-2012, 03:59 AM

Well, see, I'm not convinced he actually did now. You see...PARIS *looks around for SoS* Hahaha, she has to duck her head if she blazenly posts a "giggly" smiley OR I'll come after her with a smiley pointing a gun, and now I have to beware of her wrath...Should we call it even, Ms. STATEofSHOCK? Anyway, Paris has let it be known that her dad had a girlfriend right up to the day he died (yeah, she's got quite a few fans buzzing over that one) so I'm thinking, why would he want to hang around in this thread with a bunch of gals talking on and on about a fantasy girl? Hmmm?

Yeh i heard bout paris doing that and i really wish she didnt. I understand she wanted to please her fathers fans but i really think that was something he wanted to have kept private as it is very personal

Lisha

18-09-2012, 05:52 AM

Hi there, 8701girl! :flowers:

Hmmm, in response to what you've posted...

She gave out very little information, and to me she did not cross the line. Nothing she is revealing will identify the lady nor has she devulged anything really private other than she herself did spend some time in the company of the lady on Christmas day along with her dad and bros. Would MJ have considered that too much? None of us can say.

Paris has no trouble responding to a question as "that is private," so she understands all that. I don't think she'll say too much; she'll pick and choose and be careful. That's how I view her, anyway. Michael was the same way.

Perhaps she'll answer a few more questions on the subject, or perhaps she'll stop. It's certainly her choice. She owes the fans nothing on this subject; it's whatever she wants to do.

But I think the fans who are following all this are enjoying it. It's stirring some things up; you must admit. :)

wire

18-09-2012, 10:58 AM

Now where did Paris address the girlfriend issue? I missed on that ... ! Cheers!

MysteriousPhoenix

18-09-2012, 03:51 PM

How do you know Michael was sometimes reading the discussions on the forum ??

Three Words: Shirley Temple Pin

^ You're experiencing extreme stress?! Oh no! I hope as the day continues things will calm down for you; here's a scripture or two for you to stand on that I wil pull outta my head, um, "My peace I give you, My peace I leave with you" and "Cast all your cares (anxiety) on Him, for He cares for you" and , oh a longer one, "Be anxious for nothing, but in everything, with prayer and supplication, and thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God which transcends all understanding will guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus." Knowing me, that last one could be a hodge-podge of different translations, for I have memorized it my past with a couple different ones, so I mix them up all the time, and yeah. o.O haha. Stress Go Away! :D

Thank you so much for those scriptures. These are very special times we are living in.

So I had to go back to your post to figure out which question of yours Paris answered. This is the only one I found, I think...

Did she respond to any of this? :wild: If she did I think I must have missed it, but THAT would be interesting to learn, both if he told her some of his songs were about a particular person, and who the lucky lady was.

Wow. That could resurrect this sickly thread a bit. :lol: We'd be back in the game.

Woo! Hoo! Ya! Game Changah! (I think she's holdin' out on us if ya ask me! I say, cough up everything you know, Paris! Don't leave out one single, solitary detail! Remember your poor aunts here who have suffered 812 agonizing pages of this thread! Set us free! You hold the key! Have mercy on us!) Ahem ... I mean ... uh ... yes, yes, you are correct there, Lisha.

MP, you mention, Shana, but Paris was asked about her specifically, and pretty much made it clear it wasn't her.

Oh. Nevermind.

... 'Cause I've been thinking, nah, we've all been wrong (Ash being the exception, of course!!!), and the LITD girl never, ever was (meaning, existed). And this thread has therefore been made up of page after page of delusional thinking and a bunch of fantasy. Gosh, and ouch, that would kinda hurt after all our affection for it. But...the truth is more important.

... So, I dunno, MP, you think the LITD girl still could have been a reality for MJ? You don't think we should give up on her that easily? Some of AllForMJ's posts, and SoS's, too, were very, very convincing in that they had lyric after lyric, song after song, that sure made it SEEM like he was in love with some girl that he couldn't be with, but wanted to and he could "feel" her. Maybe it was all just for entertainment.

:swoon:

Lisha

18-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Oh my gosh, MP, I luv ya, girl! You are SO fun!

Three Words: Shirley Temple Pin

:lol:

And this, too...hahaha...

Woo! Hoo! Ya! Game Changah! (I think she's holdin' out on us if ya ask me! I say, cough up everything you know, Paris! Don't leave out one single, solitary detail! Remember your poor aunts here who have suffered 812 agonizing pages of this thread! Set us free! You hold the key! Have mercy on us!) Ahem ... I mean ... uh ... yes, yes, you are correct there, Lisha.

Well, I kinda hope Ms. Paris will not be posting tooooo much during the week while she's hittin' the books, and doing cheer practice and all of that stuff that keeps her busy in her Monday through Friday world.

But yeah, Paris, have some heart! Remember us in here...we are starting to be a dying breed. No one believes anymore in the LITD girl. And I don't even think if we all clapped our hands together like we would do for Tink that it would help in the same way for our lady in the dark. We need major HELP to keep believing or...she's gone, gone, gone...for good!

Which reminds me of this possible coinky-dink. Paris did post a song on twitter very recently where the lyrics, well...what do you all think...

n1doE-oeLGO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1dOE-oeLG0&feature=related

Sounds like someone talking about having a dreamgirl who they are deeply in love with but when they wake up she is gone.

Um, Paris...are you helping us here AFTERALL! Was there a LITD girl that your dad would dream about?!! What are ya saying here? :dancin: :wild: :clap: :punk:

Oh...what am I thinking...of course not....Paris is too busy to come here and see our posts and try to help little ol' us keep this thread goin'. *sniff, sniff*

Well, it was worth a try guys....

Oh. Nevermind.

I hear ya. :) Obviously....

:lol:

SoS

18-09-2012, 07:11 PM

You all are all so funny :lol: Well you woke up the thread and as I recall I do believe that was your objective.

I am feeling so baffled and bewildered by you all's reactions as if any concepts of anything herein is anything new! :unsure:

:giggle: Lisha, sometimes you remind me of that lady in the song Wanna Be Startin' Somth' in that u just GOT ta be startn' somethnn" sort of way. YEOU Just wanna be STARtn' somthn. OK, sry , I just am baffled as to why the mention of MJ having been "revealed" as having a girlfriend is such a big deal for you all o' suddn... um, weren't there some bodyguard interviews that did that? or the ones with ... was it Frank Casio? ...and even if those were "debunked" somehow, would this really actually just shock the livin' daylights out of somebody? :unsure: (and to MJ/memory, I only meant that with el oh vee eeee)

Lisha :lol: why'd you called me out by my former user name ... and so sry, none of that sentence phrasing quite hooked up for me.

Er, I realize my rather brusque manner, in text, at times can be a bit "off-putting" so with that said, if you don't mind, is there any way that you could come again? Help me understand your POV on all that. My PM is full but I could appreciate the occasional email dialogue as well.

:big_boss: as for the privacy/discretion factor, I've only asked for respect and due caution in dealing with people who are celebrities and who are yet also, REAL PEOPLE that's all I was trynna say and just remember, we're talking about real peoples' relationships here especially family, that is why I wax "overly careful" and yes to the extremes lol sometimes admittedly Ms. Madame Lisha, or should I be calling you :unsure: queen_g :giggle: (now how could this >> :giggle: ever be helped when you're asking for it so hard sometimes) :giggle:

Ash, each time I'm not online I feel to let you know that I don't know if you know I've been in agreement with you pretty much in an overall sort of way since day 1. Now you know. It may not seem so because of all of my song observations lol I mean books but, yah. The way I see it, when you really listen to the lyrics of certain songs it seems MJ is/was on a quest and as has been pointed out over and over, his quest may well have ended. As for the songs for the most part, yes I do stand by my interpretation of there being a more or lessa "composite", "category" or "archetype" for lack of that perfect word, of various expressions but nothing new there so I still don't 'get it'..

Now if something's about to happen (eg, "Somethin's Comin'") and also, maybe its something in what Paris said? Quoting her, could someone provide a link to a direct quote, and let people determine whatever it is you're referring to, for themselves.... how'z that sound :)

Ashtanga

18-09-2012, 11:11 PM

Three Words: Shirley Temple Pin

:fear:

I understand she wanted to please her fathers fans

I'm not sure if all those people who do a lot of private questions about Michael are really fans..... :fear: Believe me, there are many people there who are not fans of Michael and are infiltrated there to know more about Michael's life. Obviously the media is there watching Paris and are waiting for some subject juicy to create a story. :doh: And in my opinion, this curiosity about the private life of Michael sometimes sounds like an obsession with wanting to know everything about the man's life. It's so crazy! :wtf: Michael had his whole life dissected by the press and by many others people in all the years of his life. And for me, it's not OK the fans do this NOW that he's not here to say anything about these questions. :nono: -_- People should take a break and stop interrogating Paris on the private life of Michael. It's completely OK to wonder about Michael as a father/artist/human being, but so many questions about his private life is so WTF for me. :blink: But each one has their own opinion about it.... -_- :coffee: :fear:

Ash, each time I'm not online I feel to let you know that I don't know if you know I've been in agreement with you pretty much in an overall sort of way since day 1. Now you know.

:unsure:

Seriously? :blink: I really can not believe it.... :o Generally people never agree with me at any point. :nono: :P

SoS

19-09-2012, 03:23 AM

:lol: You are cracking me up, MP ... I wonder if you've ever noticed when someone posts a song its a song you were just thinking about. How about anyone else? This keeps happening to me and one other person I was chatting with within this thread, I find that so interesting.

I miss Renata, Safira, Mistygirl, Summer, Sdjeis, and others and glad to see a few of the old crew posting here and there.

Was just starting the thread from the beginning again. Such an interesting read, whether MJ ever came here or not and why wouldn't he? Would you never visit your fans' premier message board and enjoy seeing a title about whether you found love in the dark? Surely he's used to such, and yet, it is said of him that he loves love so I'd like to he'd gravitate here.

MP that was so funny what you said to Paris about her "aunts" :lol:

I'd say that with that said, my words for Paris would be Paris, this thread pretty much by definition is a "speculation" thread. Everything you've read in this thread is intended to piece together any puzzles (we perceive) that your dad may have laid out in his music, like spreading out a jigsaw puzzle on the table sort of, and because it came from Michael Jackson as entertainment for the world, we enjoy analyzing and interpreting (those who do that which I do not, I simply observe, I do however hold back some observations so as not to interrupt the flow, now and then) for our entertainment as an extension of your dad's music which I realize is obvious, but just know that we know you have an actual actuality you're aware of at all times as we make up stuff :lol: and know also that most of the time, peoples' questions are just plain nosey. :yes: and you owe no random person anything. Just focus on joining the ranks of your Arian predecessors, eg., Bette Davis, Diana Ross, Paris Jackson :) :yes: you've got just what it takes imho to be brilliant like thatm well I mean, like you. Oh and one last thing, don't listen to Auntie Lisha, she's just trying to goad you into the thread :lol: don't let her win! Be strong unlike me! There's still hope for you, you're young yet!

Ash, here's where I agree with you for example:

Michael had his whole life dissected by the press and by many others people in all the years of his life. And for me, it's not OK the fans do this NOW that he's not here to say anything about these questions.

Ashtanga

19-09-2012, 04:02 AM

I miss Renata, Safira, Mistygirl, Summer, Sdjeis, and others and glad to see a few of the old crew posting here and there.

Me too..... :( After June 25th, I believe that they all lost the will to be here because it not makes more sense... now that Michael is no longer here. The magic was gone forever. And it really is true, things will never be the same. :cry:

Ash, here's where I agree with you for example:

Michael had his whole life dissected by the press and by many others people in all the years of his life. And for me, it's not OK the fans do this NOW that he's not here to say anything about these questions.

;)

MysteriousPhoenix

19-09-2012, 06:06 PM

I'm not sure if all those people who do a lot of private questions about Michael are really fans..... :fear: Believe me, there are many people there who are not fans of Michael and are infiltrated there to know more about Michael's life. Obviously the media is there watching Paris and are waiting for some subject juicy to create a story. :doh: And in my opinion, this curiosity about the private life of Michael sometimes sounds like an obsession with wanting to know everything about the man's life. It's so crazy! :wtf: Michael had his whole life dissected by the press and by many others people in all the years of his life. And for me, it's not OK the fans do this NOW that he's not here to say anything about these questions. :nono: -_- People should take a break and stop interrogating Paris on the private life of Michael. It's completely OK to wonder about Michael as a father/artist/human being, but so many questions about his private life is so WTF for me. :blink: But each one has their own opinion about it.... -_- :coffee: :fear:

Huh? You sayin' you think I'm a little too "nosey"?

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431242_10151059694861850_683450224_n.jpg

Ashtanga

20-09-2012, 01:48 AM

Huh? You sayin' you think I'm a little too "nosey"?

:o :fortuneteller:

Never!!!! :nono: Maybe a little curious about certain questions...... :fear: Or not? :P

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431242_10151059694861850_683450224_n.jpg

Koala! :wild: It's sooooooooooo beautiful! :wub:

Sdeidjs

20-09-2012, 02:10 AM

I made a promise Ashtanga, and I will "never" break that promise. Therefore, It's been a difficult/busy few years. I truly "never" left..:) "Our "Children Are The Future...Our Seniors Are The Inspiration..!~ God Bless

Ashtanga

20-09-2012, 02:32 AM

8701girl

20-09-2012, 02:44 AM

8701girl

20-09-2012, 02:52 AM

I'm not sure if all those people who do a lot of private questions about Michael are really fans..... http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/fear.gif Believe me, there are many people there who are not fans of Michael and are infiltrated there to know more about Michael's life. Obviously the media is there watching Paris and are waiting for some subject juicy to create a story. http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/doh.gif And in my opinion, this curiosity about the private life of Michael sometimes sounds like an obsession with wanting to know everything about the man's life. It's so crazy! http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/funny/wtf.gif Michael had his whole life dissected by the press and by many others people in all the years of his life. And for me, it's not OK the fans do this NOW that he's not here to say anything about these questions. http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/funny/nono.gif http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/sleep.gif People should take a break and stop interrogating Paris on the private life of Michael. It's completely OK to wonder about Michael as a father/artist/human being, but so many questions about his private life is so WTF for me. http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/blink.gif But each one has their own opinion about it.... http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/sleep.gif http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/funny/coffee.gif http://www.mjjcommunity.com/../images/smilies/fear.gif

Yes i've been thinking that too as i reckon most of those "fans" that are talking to her on twitter could most likely be the media tricking her and pretending to be michael's fans

Ashtanga

20-09-2012, 04:11 AM

I just fear one day she will go too far without realizing it and say too much

I have no doubt that at some point it will happen. Many people come to Paris just why she is the daughter of MJ. I hope she's always alert about the people, about whom she should trust and say things, why she'll always be surrounded by snakes/people with any interest, it is a reality. :( *big sigh* May God always guide her and her brothers. :pray:

Yes i've been thinking that too as i reckon most of those "fans" that are talking to her on twitter could most likely be the media tricking her and pretending to be michael's fans

Surely they are there. :(

wire

20-09-2012, 08:59 AM

Three Words: Shirley Temple Pin

Hmmmms, not sure I understand that !! Please explain for the newbees!!

Magicgirl

20-09-2012, 11:08 PM

Concerning the video above which Paris as it was said has posted, I watched it and from my point of view I think Paris meant that she dreams about her father with a broken heart, but he is gone, gone, gone. Nothing more than that. I think a daughter couldn't know much about this subject, if at all.

The body now hidden from the sunlight in that large white sarcophage, no bird can fly in to deliever some song to MJ, no wind blow, no trees whisper over the grave to comfort his soul. If he had to be buried then under a wish tree in Neverland, I've seen the similar tree in our park, it was dated 1440 (really old big oak).

And if to read about the types of women MJ would like here:
http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/michael-jacksons-type-of-girl/

I think he hadn't found her in flesh and blood at that point, because if he did he wouldn't let her go (according to the lyrics of his songs) and then there wouldn't be this doctor alone in the bedroom following his mean agenda, or maybe he was just a scape-goat who knows, if somebody else has substituted the medicine by similar one but with deadly dose (they describe that in spy ways to kill someone).

I feel sorry that MJ had to die not among the loved ones, but alone, alone, alone, if not to mention Shirley Temple doll on his bed or in his room. And now all the fans are doomed, doomed, doomed.
Though if to look at MJ photos made in autaumn 2008 he seemed very happy in them, so who knows maybe he was dreaming about this LITD girl at that time? Or about reviving of his career? But then everything went completely wrong, wrong, wrong.

Ashtanga

21-09-2012, 03:44 AM

Hmmmms, not sure I understand that !! Please explain for the newbees!!

:shifty:

Look: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/52601-Did-MJ-Find-Love-In-The-Dark-(continued)/page407

Concerning the video above which Paris as it was said has posted, I watched it and from my point of view I think Paris meant that she dreams about her father with a broken heart, but he is gone, gone, gone. Nothing more than that. I think a daughter couldn't know much about this subject, if at all.

The body now hidden from the sunlight in that large white sarcophage, no bird can fly in to deliever some song to MJ, no wind blow, no trees whisper over the grave to comfort his soul. If he had to be buried then under a wish tree in Neverland, I've seen the similar tree in our park, it was dated 1440 (really old big oak).

I think he hadn't found her in flesh and blood at that point, because if he did he wouldn't let her go (according to the lyrics of his songs) and then there wouldn't be this doctor alone in the bedroom following his mean agenda, or maybe he was just a scape-goat who knows, if somebody else has substituted the medicine by similar one but with deadly dose (they describe that in spy ways to kill someone).

I feel sorry that MJ had to die not among the loved ones, but alone, alone, alone, if not to mention Shirley Temple doll on his bed or in his room. And now all the fans are doomed, doomed, doomed.

That broke my heart. :cry:

And if to read about the types of women MJ would like here:
http://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/michael-jacksons-type-of-girl/

Black Stars, November 1976

“A young lady’s physical beauty can by no means outshine the inner beauty that radiates from her inner heart and spirit. The kindness of a girl is more important than anything, really, to be honest about it.”

Shmuley Tapes, 2000/1

MJ: I want someone who is a lot like me, who has the same interests and who wants to help. The ones who are classy and quiet and not into all the sex and all the craziness because I am not into that. I do not understand alot of the things that go on in relationships and I do not know if I ever will. Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I do not understand it and it has hurt my past relationships.SB:Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics?
MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me.
MJ: I think sexy comes from the heart in the way you present yourself.
SB: Have you ever found women who are a bit more modest to be more attractive for that reason?
MJ: Yeah. I don’t like women who are always saying, “My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure.” I hate all that. I lke it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. If they wrestle, climb a tree….. I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything.SB:Celebrities are targets for people who marry them for wrong reasons, their fortune and their name. But don’t you know when someone is interested in you for the wrong reasons?
MJ: You don’t know.
It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what’s between their legs.
SB: Can you immediately tell innocence?
MJ: Right away although I find it harder to tell with women because they’re so smooth. But with men I can usually tell, because they are more open and like puppies, while girls are more like cats. You know how if you’ve been on vacation and you get home and a puppy is all over you, while with a cat, it’s “Hey I don’t need you, you come over here and pick me up”. They give you attitude. They’ll walk right by you even though they haven’t see you in three months. Women are very smart. Walt Disney always said they are smarter than men and he always hired more women.

Special Edition of Right On magazine, 50 Facts About Michael, 1984

28. A soft, sexy scent will make Michael turn his attention to you.
31. Balloons, balloons, and more balloons are what Michael would send you if you were his special girl.
37. He loves singing romantic songs more than any other kind.
38. Michael loves having long telephone conversations with special ladies.
39. Michael thinks Japan is a wonderful country to fall in love because of its beauty and romance.
41. Go on a roller coaster with Michael and you’ll his win his heart. The scarier the better.

:girl_sigh: :heart:

Michael is a pity that we did not meet :( ... *big sigh* If I was just a friend, I would be the happiest person on the planet to have such a special person like you in my life. :blushing: :wub: The man was wonderful in every way. :heart: A rare human being and that we will never find another like it. :nono: Oh God... we love you dear Michael! :cry:

8701girl

22-09-2012, 03:54 AM

[Concerning the video above which Paris as it was said has posted, I watched it and from my point of view I think Paris meant that she dreams about her father with a broken heart, but he is gone, gone, gone. Nothing more than that. I think a daughter couldn't know much about this subject, if at all.

The body now hidden from the sunlight in that large white sarcophage, no bird can fly in to deliever some song to MJ, no wind blow, no trees whisper over the grave to comfort his soul. If he had to be buried then under a wish tree in Neverland, I've seen the similar tree in our park, it was dated 1440 (really old big oak).

:cry:

Sdeidjs

22-09-2012, 12:21 PM

"CAN YOU FEEL IT...THE FORCE HAS GOT ALLOT OF POWER"~

Michael Jackson

"Keep Helping To Heal The World
Our "Children" Are Thee Future...Our Seniors Are Thee Inspiration"

MysteriousPhoenix

22-09-2012, 06:34 PM

Dat's right! De woman is ... hmmm ... smatah!

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Hi Sdeidjs! Sdeidjs???:swoon:

Lisha

22-09-2012, 07:47 PM

Dat's right! De woman is ... hmmm ... smatah!

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That's right, MP!!!...it goes right along with what MJ said himself as quoted above in Ash's post and originally linked to by MagicGirl (thank you both)

But don’t you know when someone is interested in you for the wrong reasons?
MJ: You don’t know.
It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what’s between their legs.

You'd think that would have made him not susceptable to -that- type of woman ever and her wiles; you'd think he'd pay attention to his apparent/wisdom understanding of such maneuvering, and the flaunting of female charms for a clever and attractive woman's own agenda, at least you would from his words above...

Sometimes men don't want to wake up.

CVy5yOs0NSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVy5yOs0NSA

But I guess at the end of Bill Withers' song, you are left with the impression the guy wasn't such a fool afterall...so let's hope that guy in the song knew enough not to get "permanently" trapped by her. Love the groove on that song.

Sdeidjs

23-09-2012, 12:41 PM

Dat's right! De woman is ... hmmm ... smatah!

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Hi Sdeidjs! Sdeidjs???:swoon:

Hi! Mysterious Phoenix Sdeidjs aka Susie In the text..! ;).

Keep Helping To Heal The World..Our Children Are The Future Our Seniors Are The Inspiration

Lisha

23-09-2012, 10:16 PM

_BK2MhvQiBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BK2MhvQiBo

This is certainly a pretty song. And the lyrics, also, are listed below where the song video is posted on YouTube.

~ When the soul wants, the soul waits...

SoS

24-09-2012, 06:41 PM

was trying to just say the links are all interesting, thanks for posting ...

MysteriousPhoenix

27-09-2012, 04:32 PM

Ape

27-09-2012, 06:01 PM

Ohh I love that song. It was on my first CD ever. It came free with the stereo my dad bought. A fancy shiny new Pioneer home stereo. I loved that thing. (singing along with it :-D I wonder if you think about it once upon a time in your wiiiildest dreams :D ahhha hhhahhh ahhhhh ahhhh ahhhhh) It also had the flight of the bumblebee on it. Loved that song too. :) Guess I would have been around 12-14 years old.

Ok! enough about me. I only came to ask Lisha what "Free" is. Is it a new song? How'd you find out about it? Are there new songs on the Bad 25? I thought it was just a remastered old CD so I didn't buy.

Ape

27-09-2012, 06:21 PM

oh Wow.. listen to Moody Blue. I didn't know that was who played those songs. That is how I imagined MJ was thinking when he sang many of his songs. I wonder how many people have that theme running through their minds. Where does it come from? Is it from the church of Disney? lol. Imparting fate into the minds of toddlers since 1937 with a hard working, hard done by sweetheart who was loved by all, and never unhappy despite her misfortune of having the only living parent hate her so much she orders her death. It ends with finding love...and that is now what those toddlers grown into adults are searching for. The romantic ones anyways. The ones who took it all to heart. DARN you Disney!! ( :-) sorry for my mood and odd humour)

Lisha

27-09-2012, 06:29 PM

Ok! enough about me. I only came to ask Lisha what "Free" is. Is it a new song? How'd you find out about it? Are there new songs on the Bad 25? I thought it was just a remastered old CD so I didn't buy.

Hi, Ape. Here is a link to the page where you'll find the lyrics, as well as they have been made out so far, for the song, Free.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/122795-Bad-25-The-Lyrics/page15

And, yes, there are quite a few songs that have not been released before on Bad25. Free is one of them.

Here is a YouTube video of snippets of the previously unreleased songs included on the album. Free is number 4.

6sUJufnYLOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUJufnYLOM

MP, great song choices again; those lyrics are killer!

Ape

27-09-2012, 08:26 PM

Thank you Lisah :) Well when I get to a store I'll have to look for it.

Michael'sFedoraHat

02-10-2012, 08:41 PM

This life don't last forever
So tell me what we're waiting for?
We're better off being together,
Than being miserable alone.

I can relate:yes:...........

yes, i think he did

8701girl

04-10-2012, 02:54 AM

^Yes i agree

Lily

04-10-2012, 11:43 PM

Wow I can't even remember writing what was quoted :unsure: :ph34r: it's been a while but I can still relate :P :lol:

MysteriousPhoenix

16-10-2012, 07:51 PM

Iceberg

10-11-2012, 12:27 PM

to reach for the dream that is so far never lose your faith in love when you're up against all odds.

That's exactly
Perfect, MP!!!

Lainy

12-11-2012, 02:17 AM

Hey guys, I miss you all and I hope everyone is doing well. Have a nice week

Ashtanga

13-11-2012, 02:18 AM

Hey guys, I miss you all and I hope everyone is doing well.

:(

Me too.... :pray: :heart:

MysteriousPhoenix

15-11-2012, 01:56 PM

andrea72

15-11-2012, 10:33 PM

I'm liking this song (alot) it's been featured on a tv ad' of late :) and this week at
work, it was on the radio. And i have just this minute googled the lyrics. Then....
i have just come on here to LITD thread and to my surprise it has been put on here.
WOW such coincidences.

Ashtanga

19-11-2012, 02:38 AM

WOW such coincidences.

There are no coincidences. :nono: :P :D

Ape

21-11-2012, 12:06 AM

Woah me and 9 guests currently browsing this thread??? I wonder why. Anyways, Hello everyone. :-) Really like that song you posted MP.

SoS

22-11-2012, 08:13 PM

MP sometimes you seem to be directly connected to the "litd muse" :unsure:

:yes:

Ashtanga

23-11-2012, 01:31 AM

http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/141/10983/popcorn-MJ.gif

MP sometimes you seem to be directly connected to the "litd muse" :unsure:

:yes:

:fear: :fortuneteller: :shifty:

LyricGuy

25-11-2012, 06:07 AM

Wow, this is the most incredible thread I've ever seen on any message board ever. It almost feels like MJ's soul is bound to it somehow with a particular urgency. If such a girl ever did exist, I'm sure she'd need to really hang in there as things would certainly feel far too much to bear. It would be nice to have some "Morning Glow."

Lisha

26-11-2012, 12:54 AM

Do you have the lyrics to share of the song, Morning Glow, Lyric Guy? Are they of an uplifting nature? Would they encourage the LITD girl/muse? (if she exists...<--- see, I still remember to add that important disclaimer now and then, sOs ;) )

Actually, now that I think about it, and now that I read over LyricGuy's post, he must have reminded me to, since he wisely worded it this way "... If such a girl ever did exist..." Good for you, LyricGuy!!! Not everyone is convinced that there ever was one special girl in MJ's life, you know, one that got tucked away in his heart years and years ago.

One possible lucky girl... who must have had some kind of "staying power" with MJ so MJ would write such lyrics as "I'm gonna stay" for example from Fly Away. That song was in my head today for some reason (the part where He sings , "We don't need it", over and over again I'd hear that part in my head, and I was thinking...what song is that!?)

Hey, Tygger, I spy you!

Ashtanga

27-11-2012, 12:30 AM

:shifty: http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/141/10983/popcorn-MJ.gif

Wow, this is the most incredible thread I've ever seen on any message board ever. It almost feels like MJ's soul is bound to it somehow with a particular urgency.

:girl_sigh: :heart:

LyricGuy

29-11-2012, 08:42 PM

Ashtanga

30-11-2012, 02:46 AM

Oh, I was just engaging in a little hyperbole in hopes you girls could get the creative juices flowing again.

NOW, things are no longer like before, well, you know... :cry: *big sigh*

Magicgirl

30-11-2012, 04:23 PM

well LG, are you trying to wake up all the "sleeping beauties" in this thread to make them write more? One can't force anything, the thread goes like it goes. I guess when some more previously unreleased songs get released we will have more lyrics to interpret.

Lisha

30-11-2012, 05:22 PM

Oh, I was just engaging in a little hyperbole in hopes you girls could get the creative juices flowing again. It looked like you were having so much fun, and then things slowed down a bit. Maybe after 815 pages there isn't much left to say.

Even if it may not be relevant to the tale you're writing, since I am the LyricGuy, I'll post a bit of "Morning Glow":

Morning glow, morning glow
Starts to glimmer when you know
Winds of change are set to blow
And sweep this whole land through
Morning glow is long past due

Morning glow fill the earth
Come on shine far all you're worth
We'll be present at the birth
Of all faith looking new
Morning glow is long past due

Oh, (oh morning glow)
(I'd like to help you grow)
You should have started long ago

Thank you, LyricGuy!

The lyrics are full of hope and anticpation; they remind me a bit of the song the character, Tony, sings in West Side Story. You know how it starts, maybe, with these lyrics:

Could be!
Who knows?
There's something due any day;
I will know right away,
Soon as it shows.
It may come cannonballing down through the sky,
Gleam in its eye,
Bright as a rose!

But in this thread nowadays, it's hard to feel any kind of anticipation or hope for the LITD girl with MJ gone and all...(joins Ash in a *big sigh*) :cry:

MP's songs that she posts always help a bit....they take us back to better days. :)

I think I personally have returned to the way I viewed things when I first came across this thread, and that is back to having trouble believing MJ's lyrics were ever about a real girl. I can interpret many of his lyrics (and this thread helped with that) to be about a special girl if I put my mind to it. Like what has been shared before in here, there can seem to be a thread through many of his songs, with revisited themes, that could make one think they are about one particular girl or relationship or dream girl or major crush he might have had. But that doesn't mean it all wasn't just done by him through a creative lyric writing process, and nothing more. Love songs sell. :)

You're right Magicgirl, I think yet more songs are needed to be able to go much further in here. I'm not sure any of us can dig deep anymore into anything without some new material. What do you guys think?

Thanks again, LyricGuy, for your post! It's appreciated. And hi there, mysterygirl7, nice to see you popped in here again. *waves*

(and as an aside, doesn't Paris look so cute dressed in her black, red, and white cheerleading uniform! *does not include link..........* haha ... Go team, Go!!!)

It's raining for me here today and it is starting to feel all cozy for the Holiday Season...I hope all here will enjoy the season along with me! Blessings!

SoS

30-11-2012, 11:05 PM

Welcome Lyric Guy! :) and thanks for posting the lyrics to one of my all time
favorite songs.

I remember having that record and playing this song and the other side which was from the same broadway show, Pippen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5bbRB356Y8

Lisha! :yes: Morning Glow actually does have that 'could be, who knows' sort of a meaning, or sense to it doesn't it? Its 'Somethin's Comin' after the fact (eg., "morning glow is here at last"

:unsure: A notation said that the B side of MG was With A Child's Heart *confused*

Morning Glow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k5ln2er5KQ

Interesting! LG I wonder what made you think of posting this song of all the songs? :brow: seems a bit er, imho random? :)(for lack of a better word)

and mentally stimulating :dance: thanks for livening up the thread with something that seems to me random and unexpected.

oh! the other side of Corner of the Sky was To Know

ah, another great one from childhood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j9MJUTzZNU

Lisha

01-12-2012, 02:03 AM

Really? Morning Glow is originally from Pippin? I had that album, and I had bought it actually directly after seeing the musical in LA years and years ago. I hadn't remembered that song at all. Gettin' old... Corner of the Sky is more familiar.

So the Jackson 5 did a couple of songs from Pippin then. Interesting. I guess they liked the musical, too. :) I remember mostly all the Bob Fosse style dancing in it.

Oh, so in the end of the song, Morning Glow, the morning glow arrives! Well, that -is- encouraging then! Thanks for pointing that out, SoS. Maybe the LITD girl could find that song uplifting then. You sure know your early Jackson Five songs. :yes:

SoS

01-12-2012, 03:09 AM

I don't know how much say the Jackson 5 had over the songs they did when at Motown. I believe the reason they left was so t hey could have control of their musical careers. I was glad they did those songs because it familiarized a little country girl about broadway a bit more.

I am familiar with the J5 songs that came out back then. It was such an interesting thing to see come onto the scene. We kids traded J5 records like some kids did baseball cards or something. Couldn't wait to see someone else's collection :)

Magicgirl

01-12-2012, 09:25 PM

well Lisha, as long as it seems to be some kind of dream thread, please let's not ruin a dream by getting too realistic! :) Concerning the lyrics it might be about many girls and none of them of course, in some songs maybe he was singing about some type of women he liked or disliked, but in a song he addressed to these type of women as to one woman. Maybe there was a fansy woman as well one can relate to, and some songs might have been addressed to some fansy woman as well.
"Morning Glow" is a great poem, the more I read it the more I start understanding it's sense.
Would be great if someone added something mystical to this thread.
SoS thanks for posting these retro songs, I liked the song from the last link the most.
Few days ago I stumbled across the link at youtube, where MJ described his song writing process.
There was a shorter video, but I could find only this one now when I searched again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChDXKKpXyZw

SoS

01-12-2012, 09:50 PM

Thanks Magicgirl for providing that link! :) and glad you like To Know. It is really a very special song because it highlights so many of the brothers' amazing voices and especially that unique blend that is only the sound of The Jacksons the brothers together and Michael's vocals were so subtle in this song and yet so amazing and powerful. I feel it could have been a single because of its uniquness. MJ later seemed to very smartly have extracted this quality (of uniqueness) and used it for his own individual success. This is the kind of thing it must've been difficult to explain to his brothers how to also do. I digress ... I feel To Know deserves another link :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j9MJUTzZNU
cheers :flowers:

Lisha

01-12-2012, 10:55 PM

well Lisha, as long as it seems to be some kind of dream thread, please let's not ruin a dream by getting too realistic! :)

Gosh, you are so right, Magicgirl!!! I was getting a little toooooo into reality there for a second...MY BAD!!!! :lol: Ya know, it's like when one does some baking, sometimes just a pinch of salt is all that is needed or just a dash of nutmeg will do...in this thread, only a tiny bit of reality is necessary and even that, just here and there! :D

But it is true when posts stray too far from being imaginative and creative, romantic and dreamlike, much of the fun goes away. :yes: We do need to keep with a more upbeat tone in here. That's how MJ would have liked it, don't ya think?

I am familiar with the J5 songs that came out back then. It was such an interesting thing to see come onto the scene. We kids traded J5 records like some kids did baseball cards or something. Couldn't wait to see someone else's collection :)

SoS, do you still have all your J5 forty-fives?

MysteriousPhoenix

02-12-2012, 01:39 AM

Well...according to this fun old song that's been following me around lately, perhaps "Morning glow is long past due" because "It's been so long since I've seen her" (Oh, I must add -- IF HER EXISTS!)

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SoS

02-12-2012, 07:49 AM

Oh okay Lyric Guy, I just re-read your post of how you chose morning glow as a hyperbole...well it woke up the thread so maybe it did get a little "morning glow" somehow.

Yes, Lisha. I still have many of those same old 45s :)

MP that song was such an important memory for me you mystical muse you. Thanks for that :flowers:

Magicgirl

08-12-2012, 09:28 PM

Here are some videos to bring some good mood, love and peace to this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxrijNTbqDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wSaJouKidg

mysterygirl7

09-12-2012, 12:17 PM

When did MJ write this song...?

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:chillin:

qbee

10-12-2012, 06:04 PM

I love this song :wub: its so playful /romantic

The song was originally written and recorded by Michael Jackson between 2000 and 2004
the demo was on his 2004 box set, The Ultimate Collection with the title "The Way You Love Me".
This song is the remixed version that was released on "Michae"l Album.

There is a whole page about the song on Wiki

"(I Like) The Way You Love Me" is the remixed version of "The Way You Love Me", a song by American recording artist Michael Jackson (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Michael_Jackson) included on his posthumous album Michael (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Michael_(album)), which was released in Korea as a digital single on January 18, 2011,[1] (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#cite_note-korea-1) and released in Italian radio stations on July 8, 2011.[2] (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#cite_note-italy-2) The song previously appeared on The Ultimate Collection (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/The_Ultimate_Collection_(Michael_Jackson_album)) (2004) with the title "The Way You Love Me" as an unreleased track. For Michael, the song has been re-arranged and more vocals have been added.[3] (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/#cite_note-NYT_Review-3) A clip of the song was remixed and released on the 2 disc deluxe edition of the Immortal (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/wiki/Immortal_(Michael_Jackson_album)) album on November 21, 2011.

MORE INFO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(I_Like)_The_Way_You_Love_Me

Lisha

12-12-2012, 07:04 PM

Thanks for that info, qbee! :) Mysterygirl7, I think I also remember reading at some point that MJ had initially written this song for another artist/band to record for some project, and I believe it was near to the year 2000 based on that information I had read. But this project and/or need for the song fell through, and so in 2004 for his Ultimate Collection CD, he pulled it off the shelf, sort of speak, and included it (the demo that he had done back then). Does anyone else remember coming across this as well? It certainly made me rethink in this way that perhaps he wasn't writing lyrics from a personal slant, but writing them to suit this project. I know that makes things less romantic...uh oh...I'm in trouble now! :lol:

Maybe I can redeem this by including a song that I would say is very romantic.

I was going through an old box of cassettes I had packed away and saw one that was labeled as a hodgepodge of songs, so I popped it in my only remaining cassette player (so obsolete) and a song started playing that took me back very far in time. I remember liking it very, very much at some point of time in the eighties. It just seemed to be a very special account of a man and his woman...

A medley/duet: Woman/You're the Man That I Love

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w7_nNd8zAs

Here's an article I came across, also, of a gentleman who had a special experience with this song some 23 years ago. :)

http://greatgreatjoy.com/2009/05/24/man-and-woman/

MP, it's your turn...another song please!!!! :D

EDIT: I'm having some trouble getting the video to appear, but the link below it should work.

Ape

14-12-2012, 08:34 AM

SoS

15-12-2012, 11:23 AM

I'm so sleepy. I should be in my bed asleep instead of here. I had a question (though maybe none would answer). How many who read in here have found love. We are all such a bunch of romantics, I would love to hear about someone's true story of love. Did you have it before being a DMJFLITDer or after? How has it shaped your view of this thread or this thread shaped your view on love?

That's what I'm wondering about tonight while I should be asleep.

Goodnight all!

On another topic; here's a movie I was blessed to be a part of. It's not a main character, just a little part, but I'm proud of this one. They are doing a great job I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-K9X3nEPrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-K9X3nEPrU

hey Ape :) I feel like its been a long time since I've been on here around the same time frame as you, I just came on to congratulate you. This looks like a very interesting movie! You are blessed to attract significant stories to be told and its wonderful that you share with us so we can see the 'anatomy of a film career' :D I trust you'll let us know when we can see it. It looks like a very good movie :photoflash: to own a copy of as well. It also seems like the type of movie where the premier party, cast party and any other parties are probably a blast to be at as there seem to be so many different people involved.

As for finding love before during or after becoming a DMFLITDer ( :lol: that was funny the way you put that) can't wait to find out what kinds of responses you get :popcorn:
:lol:
Thanks again for sharing :flowers:

Magicgirl

16-12-2012, 08:55 PM

Well, someone had a question about true love here.

Here are the articles about what is true love in Internet:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=true%20love
http://www.dgreetings.com/valentine-love/true-love.html
http://dating.about.com/od/intimacy/qt/whatislove.htm
http://www.citehr.com/23278-real-definition-true-love-plz-dont-miss.html

MysteriousPhoenix

16-12-2012, 11:57 PM

mysterygirl7

20-12-2012, 09:11 PM

Lisha

21-12-2012, 05:13 PM

MysteriousPhoenix

22-12-2012, 01:59 AM

MP, I love that dance routine from..yes, I believe that is from Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, one of my most favorites! ('cause the song, You've Got to Eat your Spinach, Baby, cracks me up!). I also really liked the dance routine in "Military Man", that Shirley does with Alice Faye and Jack Haley (which was fun to see him in a role besides his famous one as the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz). I remember as a little girl loving this one part of that routine and when I watched it now, I still love it, it's at 3:05 to about 3:40, for it takes them about that long to complete the cycle, I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaT4KLql9zo

I like that routine also! I love Shirley Temple!

Also, MP...strange, strange, strange, the song that I woke up to now for two days in a row...and I'm thinkin' what could this possibly have to do with MJ and his LITD girl? Here it is, and it actually begins at 12 seconds...it's an oldie all right...but I kept hearing in my mind the line "buffalo gal..."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSujn5K2lS8

Maybe it is because, which I just discovered when I looked up the lyrics, that the end line is...

"won't you come out tonight and we'll dance to the light of the moon"

Now that sounds like Michael. :) :yes:

Cute! That does sound like him - anything that has to do with the moon. Btw, wasn't that song sung in "It's a Wonderful Life"? I'm glad I'm not the only one hearing silly songs like this in my head. It will give me more courage to post them sometimes when they come up!

Then early this morning I woke up to an Elvis song, of all things...so I looked up that song to see the lyrics. The first line reminds me of Christmas in a way, lol, becuase of the (Three) Wise Men...but the song is not about Christmas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqv5b0UjR4g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqv5b0UjR4g

Now that's a romantic song!

Oh my goodness! This IS a romantic song! It has to be my absolutely favorite Elvis song! Swoon, swoon, swoon! (On a side note: this also happened to be my mother's wedding song). My second favorite is probably "Kentucky Rain." And recently I've been liking a rare song of Elvis' called "A Little Less Conversation."

(once again the videos are not showing up for me...can't figure out what's up...they are saying they do not exist...sorry! But the links below them do work.) lol! Kinda like the LITD -- they don't exist!

Here's "Kentucky Rain." Reminds me more of a song the LITD would sing to MJ though, on a never-ending search for him and trying to find answers to all the mysteries and wondering when her search should finally just end ... with the rain in her shoes ...

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BTW, LITDers ...

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