Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[DMGJACKSON]

The desire to not feel lonely is not unreasonable. Wanting someone with certain attributes should not be viewed by anyone as only a fantasy if these are things he knows will stop him from feeling lonely. I mean, when he’s saying things like he could have a house full of people and still feel lonely from within, then that shows his loneliness is really running deep. Or, was really running deep—gotta say was since he is noticeably happier these days. :)

Below, are two lines from two different songs for you all to listen to. One is from “Someone Put Your Hand Out.” The other is from “Who Is It.” When you listen to these lines, you are going to notice that he is singing them the exact same way and that both are referring to the same thing. When I hear him sing it this way, I get a sense that the feeling is coming from the same place within him. I’m also betting that this place is also where his need to cry was coming from.

Scroll down to see the lines and where they are in the songs.

“Someone Put Your Hand Out”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP7XUx8G3qU&watch_response

“It’s because I’m needing that someone!” (3:31 into song)

“Who Is It”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ5xxJ3QYsk

“I can’t take it ‘cause I’m lonely!” (2:27 into song followed by him lamenting)

The loneliness that he’s been expressing over the years is not just a figment of his imagination. It’s real.

Now, let’s look at these two lines I’ve pulled from “You Are My Life.” These are things that were supposed to happen after she appeared and started changing his life.

* You took away the fear

* No more tears, no more pain

Now, look at these lines from the song “You Are So Beautiful” that he wrote during the trial.

You are salvation to me
You near dried my tears
Washed away my fears

His friend had things rolling in overdrive.

Also, he refers to his soul very often in songs. He’s doing it in “Who Is It” but he’s saying someone hurt it. He mentions souls in “For All Time” but in this song he’s saying the souls are embracing. In the lyrics for “You Are So Beautiful” he said, “The hole in my soul was covered up because you…you are so beautiful. You are all that I am. Deep in my heart”

It looks like he’s been checking off some things about her that are on his list. He’s been smiling a lot lately and his eyes have been twinkling too.

I love the way he acts when he's in love. It's nice to see him acting vivacious.
:wub:

His happiness comes out in his voice while he is singing and the songs he chooses, just like it's doing in "Hold My Hand."

:yes:

This upcoming album is going to be really nice. He's also going to take this feeling of happiness all around the world.

~I am so happy , Knowing Michael Is happy and that he will finally be embraced In love that will be all his...That finally the only tears to drop from his Beautiful Eye's flow out of unspeakable Joy and completeness ...

[LindaC781]

I am sure this woman is ABSOLUTELY NUTZ about him...and he knows it!!

[MJzPrincess1982]

I think the song "Find Me A Girl" just did a little more than show he can sing in a sexy tone. Check this out.

In "Find Me A Girl" his brothers were asking him what he was going to do when he finds a girl. He starts describing what he's going to do. The last thing he said was "I'm gonna make some good, good lovin'."

Summer just pointed out above that he told Bashir in LWMJ that he had not found her yet when Bashir asked him if he had anyone. Now of course we know he's had plenty since recording "Find Me A Girl" as he recorded this many years ago and we all would be crazy to think he hasn't. lol That man loves women. But, during the time that he was being asked that question by Bashir, he said he had not found her yet.

Now, look at what he's saying near the end of "For All Time." He saying, "We can make lovin'. Say that you'll never go."

So what does it mean? It means he found her and he found her some time after Bashir had asked him that question.
you saying that he may have known her but not found her, in his heart?? Cause WHATEVER HAPPENS points out that he had someone and that they had problems...but that he didn't want her to let go of his hand..

[Lisha]

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[AllForMJ]

you saying that he may have known her but not found her, in his heart?? Cause WHATEVER HAPPENS points out that he had someone and that they had problems...but that he didn't want her to let go of his hand..
With this thread I am basically pointing out all the positive changes that have occurred in his life after he released "Invincible." The song on the "Invincible" CD that I've noticed is prophetic is the song "You Are My Life." Everything in this song has come to fruition. All of it.

[AllForMJ]

He does seem happy. :yes:

But when did you first notice this, AllForMJ? 6 mos.ago? Within the last year? Or for the last year and a half? When did it become obvious to you this time around (post trial and recuperation period). I have only been aware of Mr. Jackson for about a year, so I wouldn't personally have observed if he was showing this same happiness before last summer. I watched the interview with will.i.am in Ireland, which took place in 2006 maybe (not sure) and he didn't seem to have the same twinkle that you are referring to that's going on now. But maybe there were other factors going on that woud have had him less effervescent in that setting.
I noticed it the most when he released his "Number Ones" CD.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

Oh, I see. So how I am observing him to be now is just how he was during that time and following until the heaviness of the trial took over?
He seems like he was very sad during the "Invincible" recording session. It's in his voice. He started perking up sometime afterwards. Listen to "One More Chance" and you will notice a difference. He's in the song.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMF8JzFnZGA
MJzPrincess1982, Will.i.am's song that you posted touches on many things that have been discussed in this thread. Thanks for posting it. Last night was my first time hearing it with words. And Yep! This IS the song that was playing while he and MJ were on Access Hollywood.

After listening to it with words, it made me think of what MJ said at the end of "Beautiful Girl." He said, "There's no one. Only love for you."

It also makes me think about the way that MJ put "Ben" at the end of his "Number Ones" CD. It's the only song that is not in chronological order. In "Ben" there is a line that says, "The two of us need look no more. We both found what we were looking for." This translates into he's the one for her and she's the one for him.

What did Will.i.am say in the song "Fly Girl?" He said the words, "I'm the only one for you. You the only one for me."

MJ even had "Beautiful Girl" playing while he was in the studio during his interview with Geraldo.

Everything is pointing to MJ being in love. He's been feeling this way for a while now.

[DMGJACKSON]

Yeah!!! We're at the movies!!!

:popcorn:

Can somebody pass me the Milk Dudds please?

'lightly laughing' :rofl:
your so cute !!

[AllForMJ]

I'm not sure if I am able to pick up on that sort of thing, like if he is "in the song" more in One More Chance than in other of his songs. But I will say I am greatly affected by the way he sings the word "breathe" in it! Amazing. How can someone put sooooooooo much into a one syllable word they are singing? It gets me every single time. I love that song.
Actually, you are able to pick up on it. If the way he sings the word "breathe" gets you every single time it is because you can feel him.

:yes:

[AllForMJ]

'lightly laughing' :rofl:
your so cute !!

Tee-hee :blush:

:lol:

[DMGJACKSON]

Tee-hee :blush:

:lol:

:smilerolleyes::wub:

[AllForMJ]

:smilerolleyes::wub:

Hahahaha:lol:

[TialovesMJ]

This thread is confusing sometimes with the twists and turns...lol but its interesting..hahaha and YES Linda, MJ sure is a STUD MUFFIN :D lol

[Moddie777]

Hopefully he found her.....

Don't worry he has. This is love requitted. He ain't gonna let her get away this time. His passion and determination are deeply felt for the pure "need" of this relationship with this lady. This is a new and better Michael.

[TialovesMJ]

^^:yes: I believe so too.:)

[DMGJACKSON]

Hahahaha:lol:

CHuckling at you AllforMJ,and At the same time feel a sense of overwhelmimg tears from being deeply touched by all the words of love and michael expressed In your thread...May God Bless the union,that has been a long time In waiting:angel:

[Moddie777]

In other words, Geraldo would not know his star secret friend.
:D

I believe Michael was hinting here at the fact that she is not a known public figure. In other words, she is not a celebrity. Through the years Michael has given us several clues to this lady. I also agree with MJzPrincess about the quote he made in the "Oprah" interview when asked something about a girlfriend or ever considering marriage, he replied by pausing, smiling, then adding: "Well, there was this one girl". (quoting this from memory, hope I got it accurate).

[TialovesMJ]

What year was this Oprah Interview from??omg that is so cute of him, his reply...aww

[Moddie777]

Dangerous Era. 91 i think?

[TialovesMJ]

Oh ok thanks :)..

[Moddie777]

^^^ah umm I am not good at this ,lol.. I mean about how she made reference to the songs. How Moddie said that umm Libeian Girl and how that song is saying "i do" , moddie also pointed out it was about a women of color.. and then the other songs "break of dawn" and "one more chance " also relate to IJCSLY.... i think?if that makes sense?? That's what she made a good point about.Could he be giving us clues??could be.

about The women of color in his videos, I also appricate it from the bottom of my heart as well, :clap:.... moddie also said maybe thier history goes way back when the "bad" era happend?could be.. ... never know .

Ohh the walk, yes Queen and moddie did make good points about the walk, indeed. I agree with you SOS about some of Tat's exaggerations though(TWYMMF, LOVE that video, they did great in that vdieo!!!).. i mean she is cool, nothing against her... lol, anyways before i kill this more, i am done hehehe but Moddie made good points, i have to agree with her on her points!!!

Thank you for this! Sorry it took a while to respond to this post.
This is definately a love story about a long history with a woman, whom I feel, Michael has told us, is a woman of color. He even has described her physical form to us in song.
In "She drives me wild", he says "got it kicking in the back". That translates too her having a
big boodie. Kicking in the back is slang. The word "Kicking" was highly used in urban communities in the 90's. He also describes her body in the same song as, "a statesteque stack", which mean in his eyes at least, her body has EVERYTHING in ALL the places he desires most. She has curves and is not thin. She does not have a boyish body. Her body is shapely to Michael and apparently the sight of it drives him nuts!! Most women with bodies described the way Michael has described her body are women of color.
Another thing, inside the 'dangerous" booklet, using the song "Dangerous" to show the song lyrics, you will see a female body form. It is very curvacious and womanly. Small waist, curvey hips and full breast. Next to it, is the poem "Planet Earth', where as we discussed earlier reveals words that appear to not go with the title.
Not only has Michael told us of her ethnicity but he has also revealed clues about her looks.
Featuring women of color in recent years in his shortfilms and using language and words in his songs that are mostly connected to people of color speak volumes.

[TialovesMJ]

^ great explaination:kickass:.I wish i had the Dangerous album w/ the booklet, so I could look at the image you are talking about .

[MJzPrincess1982]

I believe Michael was hinting here at the fact that she is not a known public figure. In other words, she is not a celebrity. Through the years Michael has given us several clues to this lady. I also agree with MJzPrincess about the quote he made in the "Oprah" interview when asked something about a girlfriend or ever considering marriage, he replied by pausing, smiling, then adding: "Well, there was this one girl". (quoting this from memory, hope I got it accurate).
he was asked if he has ever been in love.. he named brooke and then someone else, I think it was tatum???, but then paused and said, "...and some other girl, yes *giggles*"

Whether he KNEW her face to face or in his dreams remains a mystery to me ..

who here believes that he knew her in his heart and mind and dreams, in the past, but recently finally met her face to face and is finally with her (even if not fully in person yet) and has found and her?

[TialovesMJ]

nvm.....................

[MJzPrincess1982]

She has curves and is not thin. She does not have a boyish body. Her body is shapely to Michael and apparently the sight of it drives him nuts!! Most women with bodies described the way Michael has described her body are women of color..
how can you go based upon such a stereo type?? This is not mere evidence, but a stereo type and opinion ..many women are curvy, in front and back, and even some are white! Sorry, but I had to disagree there. lol it made no sense to me to call colored women's body a certain figure..sorry.

[MJzPrincess1982]

He seems like he was very sad during the "Invincible" recording session. It's in his voice. He started perking up sometime afterwards. Listen to "One More Chance" and you will notice a difference. He's in the song.
if that's the case, then he was perky during THRILLER, BAD, and DANGEROUS era too ... hence the love songs and the foundation for his poems and insights in DANCING THE DREAM....

[MJzPrincess1982]

Actually, you are able to pick up on it. If the way he sings the word "breathe" gets you every single time it is because you can feel him.

:yes:
you see .. how can not everyone understand this and we can?? This is a mystery to me ... I can feel soo much for him in one song, so much so that I cannot listen to that song .. it over-rides my emotions and either makes me cry a lot and become upset with tears or it makes me really upset or very happy... IF YOU DOTN LOVE ME, SPEECHLESS, FOR ALL TIME .. those are just a few songs where I feel overflowing with HIS emotions .. not mine but his. Now I know I am not crazy if other fans experience this :lol: Here, I thought I was the only fan that could pick up on words that he sings that are just FILLED with his essence and joy or saddness and dispair...

This is just magical!! :) :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

*sits back* :eat:...

[Ape]

^ I wish you hadn't deleted what you had written. I like when you contribute your thoughts :) I wanted to read what you had to say about:
who here believes that he knew her in his heart and mind and dreams, in the past, but recently finally met her face to face and is finally with her (even if not fully in person yet) and has found and her? ^That's my thinking, though there are many possible theories.

[TialovesMJ]

^ I wish you hadn't deleted what you had written. I like when you contribute your thoughts :) I wanted to read what you had to say about: ^That's my thinking, though there are many possible theories.



Thanks for wanting to hear my insights on this whole thing :)..but No thanks...it would probably be wrongor dumb lol!!!I'm just glad MJ is happy!:) :yes:

[Ape]

Who knows if any of us are right? You aren't dumb and nor would be your ideas and thoughts...but it's ok if you don't want to share too :hug:

[LindaC781]

Thank you for this! Sorry it took a while to respond to this post.
This is definately a love story about a long history with a woman, whom I feel, Michael has told us, is a woman of color. He even has described her physical form to us in song.
In "She drives me wild", he says "got it kicking in the back". That translates too her having a
big boodie. Kicking in the back is slang. The word "Kicking" was highly used in urban communities in the 90's. He also describes her body in the same song as, "a statesteque stack", which mean in his eyes at least, her body has EVERYTHING in ALL the places he desires most. She has curves and is not thin. She does not have a boyish body. Her body is shapely to Michael and apparently the sight of it drives him nuts!! Most women with bodies described the way Michael has described her body are women of color.
Another thing, inside the 'dangerous" booklet, using the song "Dangerous" to show the song lyrics, you will see a female body form. It is very curvacious and womanly. Small waist, curvey hips and full breast. Next to it, is the poem "Planet Earth', where as we discussed earlier reveals words that appear to not go with the title.
Not only has Michael told us of her ethnicity but he has also revealed clues about her looks.
Featuring women of color in recent years in his shortfilms and using language and words in his songs that are mostly connected to people of color speak volumes.

I think what the songs mean is that the man just likes shapely women!! Women with curves, and large butts (I have hope!! LOL!) and big busts....he loves shapely, curvey women. This just proves that he is ALL MAN....and most men like shapely curvey women!! It may not necessarily mean that this woman is a woman of color...she is shapely!!

Ooh Mike!! You DAWG you!! LOL!

[mystygrl]

I think what the songs mean is that the man just likes shapely women!! Women with curves, and large butts (I have hope!! LOL!) and big busts....he loves shapely, curvey women. This just proves that he is ALL MAN....and most men like shapely curvey women!! It may not necessarily mean that this woman is a woman of color...she is shapely!!

Ooh Mike!! You DAWG you!! LOL!

Thus far, I have read every post and every single word. You people are amazing with your
interpretations to the point where I believe we are on the brink of having this "romantic" love story, which seems to have been happening for many years unfolding to reality before our eyes, soon.


However, I just wanted to point out that in regard to the bolded words above ^ I am in disagreement. First, the words "most men</STRONG>"? That is what makes him so appealing not only to women but, men as well. He doesn't seem like his purpose in life is to follow the crowd but, he is a born leader, a pioneer. The majority of artist always credit him for their career whether female or male. He IS different and imo, is not afraid of being true to himself. He allows everything he does to be guided by divinity. (e.g. Dangerous. He sings about something being different about this girl, the way she moves…divinity in motion) When I listen to his songs I cannot help to recognize his deep spiritual connection with God. And how God loves is in variety. We are surrounded by the love of God when we see places on this planet earth that differ, animals differ within their species and of course, we as humans can plainly see we are not alike. This tells us that God does not show favoritism in his creation; he loves all just the same. Therefore, Michael having this deep spiritual connection to God, which has always been reflected in his music, tells me that he appreciates women, period; regardless of their ethnic background and form. He respects and value The Divine and for those of you who may not believe in God, my intent is not to make you feel uncomfortable for what I am about to quote. In speaking to Samuel God told him in 1 Samuel 16:7: “Do not look at his appearance and at the height of his stature,…For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what appears to the eyes; but as for Jehovah, he sees what the heart is.” Michael is a spiritual man and therefore, I don’t believe his agenda is the same as “most men”. I don’t believe he would choose to be with someone solely on the way they look; it’s shallow, it’s physical, it's so Hollywood, not godly. If you think back to the ‘Ebony’ Magazine interview where he was asked, “What do you think about the next presidential race? Hillary, Barack? He stated, “To tell you the truth, I don’t follow that stuff. We were raised to not…we don’t look to man to fix the problems of the world, we don’t. They can’t do it. That’s how I see it. It’s beyond us…We’re all in God’s hands. I think that man has to take that into consideration. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>
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Michael knows he has been blessed by God and doesn't take ANYTHING for granted. He is very appreciative and grateful to be alive, to have wonderful children and make others happy with his music. And love, well for many years he has been yearning for ‘real’ love and imho, ‘real love’ has nor will it ever be based upon appearance. Again, in Someone Put Your Hand Out, he sings, “the truth is that I’m longing…for love that’s so divine”.

[MJzPrincess1982]

AllForMJ'll LOVE this one ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx4U9_FOFPg

;) ;)

[SoS]

Mystygirl I agree. Additionally, I'll point out as I did in a Groove Theory thread about both versions of PYT the fact that, the one thing that both versions have in common (and both are adlibed in his SPOKEN voice) is where he says "to me".

That indicates that it will/does not matter "to him" what other people have to say or think because how she appears to him is all that matters to him and for obvious reasons that is as it should be, and he did leave that in the new 2008 version as well as the demo version as well as the version that was selected for the album. :ermm: couldn't help but notice that

[Moddie777]

how can you go based upon such a stereo type?? This is not mere evidence, but a stereo type and opinion ..many women are curvy, in front and back, and even some are white! Sorry, but I had to disagree there. lol it made no sense to me to call colored women's body a certain figure..sorry.

You have missed my point. This IS NOT A STERO TYPE! This is what MIchael himself has revealed to us in songs he has written and composed. He told us she was a woman of color back in 1987! Look at the song "Liberian Girl", check out the lyrics and go look up the meaning of "Liberian" in a dictionary. I remember doing that myself many years ago, actually,lol. This theory comes from Michael's own words, NOT MINE. I am just giving trying to explain the clues and what their true meaning are from my prospective as a member of an ethnic group. Please do not get offended, that isn't the purpose of this thread.
And yes, other races of women can be curvey as well but in Michael's case with this particular woman, he IS NOT singing about ANY OTHER WOMAN. He is singing about one particular one who happens to be of color.

[TialovesMJ]

Thank you Ape, you are so kind!!! I'll just read everyone's insights, because they are really good. :)

[SoS]

At the end of the day, isn't this is all 'immaterial' since its all about whatever it is to him and I don't believe he's communicating what that is for anyone (but her), let alone for "everyone", to understand or approve of.

"Kicking up the back" is an expression I have only heard from him and could mean any number of things including but not limited to having a butt he likes to look at, whether it is a "big" butt or not.

Regarding Liberian Girl, I didn't look it up in the dictionary but I have been under the impression it is a female from Liberia. Quincy (in Thriller SE) says that it is from Michael's "amazing imagination" which could also mean any number of things.

Liberia being a Country of "liberty" of African Americans who returned to the "motherland", if it is not literally a girl from Liberia (and who's to say it isn't) and is indeed someone from his own culture we're talking about, then perhaps it could indicate an African American girl he considers to be a representation of "freedom" for him personally, being that freedom is something he seems to be trying to say he gained more of since she "came and changed his world" as expressed in different ways in different songs.

To try and get it back on topic, the point of this thread is not to determine what he's trying to tell "the world" but what he's trying to tell "the girl" - and y'all were doing so well :lol: .

[MJzPrincess1982]

You have missed my point. This IS NOT A STERO TYPE! This is what MIchael himself has revealed to us in songs he has written and composed. He told us she was a woman of color back in 1987! Look at the song "Liberian Girl", check out the lyrics and go look up the meaning of "Liberian" in a dictionary. I remember doing that myself many years ago, actually,lol. This theory comes from Michael's own words, NOT MINE. I am just giving trying to explain the clues and what their true meaning are from my prospective as a member of an ethnic group. Please do not get offended, that isn't the purpose of this thread.
And yes, other races of women can be curvey as well but in Michael's case with this particular woman, he IS NOT singing about ANY OTHER WOMAN. He is singing about one particular one who happens to be of color.
nah, I went based upon that one sentence of yours.. not the rest. I couldn't see how you could point out who she is (or her race, rather) based upon body figure. :lol: :)

[SoS]

:lol: yeh! she will :yes: :lol:


AllForMJ'll LOVE this one ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx4U9_FOFPg

;) ;)

[TialovesMJ]

Wasn't "Liberian Girl" dedicated to Elizabeth Taylor??

[Moddie777]

At the end of the day, isn't this is all 'immaterial' since its all about whatever it is to him and I don't believe he's communicating what that is for anyone (but her), let alone for "everyone", to understand or approve of.

"Kicking up the back" is an expression I have only heard from him and could mean any number of things including but not limited to having a butt he likes to look at, whether it is a "big" butt or not.

Regarding Liberian Girl, I didn't look it up in the dictionary but I have been under the impression it is a female from Liberia. Quincy (in Thriller SE) says that it is from Michael's "amazing imagination" which could also mean any number of things.

Liberia being a Country of "liberty" of African Americans who returned to the "motherland", if it is not literally a girl from Liberia (and who's to say it isn't) and is indeed someone from his own culture we're talking about, then perhaps it could indicate an African American girl he considers to be a representation of "freedom" for him personally, being that freedom is something he seems to be trying to say he gained more of since she "came and changed his world" as expressed in different ways in different songs.

To try and get it back on topic, the point of this thread is not to determine what he's trying to tell "the world" but what he's trying to tell "the girl" - and y'all were doing so well :lol: .

And we are still doing well. We are making points and trying to make them clear and understandable even though we may disagree. We are ALL onto something really special and divine here!

[MJzPrincess1982]

:lol: yeh! she will :yes: :lol:
fits right in line with MANY of Michael's songs as well as his special way of saying things :yes:

[SoS]

^ yeh it does :yes:

moddie777 agreed! :yes:

[TialovesMJ]

^^ ditto :yes: eveyone has good points here. Its good having different views...

[Moddie777]

Wasn't "Liberian Girl" dedicated to Elizabeth Taylor??

MJbabe21, I never saw it but I read online somewhere that the only thing dedicated to Liz Taylor was the montage video for 'lierian Girl", not the song itself.

[TialovesMJ]

MJbabe21, I never saw it but I read online somewhere that the only thing dedicated to Liz Taylor was the montage video for 'lierian Girl", not the song itself.

oh ok. Yeah on the montage video for "Liberian Girl" it's says dedicated to Elizabeth Taylor..ok thanks :)

[Moddie777]

Here's something elese I want to point out from the linear thread Michael's own lyrics and song releases has woven. With a long history with this woman, she will not be someone in her twenties. If this relationship dates back to 1987 ( when the significant song IJCSLY, was released), this woman is close in age if not the exact same age as Michael. Think about that for a second or two.

[Ape]

It probably isn't so important to figure out details about her or figure out who she is or is not. That will all be revealed sooner or later I would imagine, unless he plans to hide their relationship but I really don't see that happening. I would think that we'll see her once she is ready, and once they both are ready for the onslaught of media and fan attention, both positive and negative as I don't think it can be only one or the other, there will always be some who will point out all the reasons why she isn't good enough or isn't right for him etc, without knowing either one in person..lol. I do wonder how we all would take it if we "figure out" her exact physical details such as age, race, size, so well that we could draw her out like a police sketch.....and we happen to be wrong.
I think he is very proud of his ethnicity and black heritage but I also think that he sees people as people and not as colours. He sees the spirit inside....and...I can remember something about the soul being like a prism of light, so colourful. Did he say this? Maybe I said it a long time ago one day chatting..lol..I don't know. Anyways, in the lyrics to the unheard song "you are so beautiful" doesn't he say she is colourful? He sees the soul of the person, so the exterior is of little importance.

That is my 2 cents.

[Moddie777]

Someone asked about this a few nights ago. This is a typed statement Raymone released online for us on October 9, 2007; From Michael:

To My Fans around the World:

I would like to thank you for the beautiful cards,photographs,messages,videos and gifts sent
to me on my birthday.
I was overwhelmed by YOUR KINDNESS, YOUR CONTINUED LOVE and SUPPORT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU all.......FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
I've been really busy lately. Hopefully You've seen the results of my recent photo shoot with
L' Umo Vogue.
Soon, I will be sharing exciting and surprising news with you from my other efforts. PLEASE KNOW AGAIN, that I love and appreciate each and every one of you, and send to you my heartfelt thanks and warm wishes.

Sincerely,
Michael Jackson

notice the "from the bottom of my heart" line? remember where and how I told you it was first shown during this time frame? He was using it alot, wasn't he?

[SoS]

It probably isn't so important to figure out details about her or figure out who she is or is not. That will all be revealed sooner or later I would imagine, unless he plans to hide their relationship but I really don't see that happening. I would think that we'll see her once she is ready, and once they both are ready for the onslaught of media and fan attention, both positive and negative as I don't think it can be only one or the other, there will always be some who will point out all the reasons why she isn't good enough or isn't right for him etc, without knowing either one in person..lol. I do wonder how we all would take it if we "figure out" her exact physical details such as age, race, size, so well that we could draw her out like a police sketch.....and we happen to be wrong.
I think he is very proud of his ethnicity and black heritage but I also think that he sees people as people and not as colours. He sees the spirit inside....and...I can remember something about the soul being like a prism of light, so colourful. Did he say this? Maybe I said it a long time ago one day chatting..lol..I don't know. Anyways, in the lyrics to the unheard song "you are so beautiful" doesn't he say she is colourful? He sees the soul of the person, so the exterior is of little importance.

That is my 2 cents.
^ VERY well said Apee :yes: - all if it.

[AllForMJ]

MJ actually cannot help showing his love for all people and wanting all people to come together in harmony. It's deeply embedded in him.

1. Because he loves God.
2. Because he is a "civil rights" baby.

Because he loves God, he's going to love and appreciate ALL of God's work. While appreciating God's work he is going to hold ALL of it to the highest regard. His number one purpose in life is to make sure that God is pleased with him and all that he does with the life and talents that God has given him. This is why he puts his all into everything that he does and makes sure that he's only putting out music that is soothing to the soul. He has even shown the world that he fights fair and square as well and whatever he feels is beyond his capabilities, he hands over to God to handle for him. That's how he won the '03-'05 court battle. His love for God and his trust in Him is what saved his life. His love for God is the reason why we all still have him right now.

Because he is a "civil rights" baby that was born in 1958, and that became the lead singer of the Jackson 5 in 1963, he is naturally going to be breaking color lines. He became the lead singer of the Jackson 5 just as the civil rights movement was reaching its crest.

As long as he knows that he is not destroying human lives along the way, and that he is giving of himself as a servant of God, he knows that he can move forward in whatever direction he wants to go because that's what freedom is.

Breaking color lines and being capable of loving all women of all races will never mean that he loves black women any less. He can't fully push black women out of his life, because when it comes down to it, the only woman that will ever fully understand him as a black man is a black woman.

Shana is an example that he never stopped dating black women all together. Before the trial, no one even knew that he had been seeing Shana for close to seven years. Did you notice that when Shana went on television to tell everyone how long MJ had been seeing her, he never sent out a statement to say it wasn't true?

Also, remember how he answered Bashir when he was asked about being with a black woman? His answer was "Of courrrrse. Of courrrrrse."

There's something that MJ has been making very clear over the years and that is that he does not like being controlled. He doesn't like being told where he can and cannot go. He does not like being told what he can or cannot do. And he also does not like being told what woman he can or cannot love.

Then, there is also something he's been making clear to women in general. And that is that he does not like it when women try to control him with their bodies when he comes to them for intimacy. That's what he is saying in the song, "Heartbreaker."

He's a very well-rounded man. He's a God-fearing man. He's a very spiritual man. He's a hard-working man. He's a very loving man. He's a real man.

And thennnnnnn, in addition to all of THIS, he's got that kid side TOO, so he's a very playful man. :lol: :lol: Can't leave that out, because it's JUST AS REAL as the rest of him! And THAT's what makes him SO FUN!!! :lol: :lol:

So the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

[MJzPrincess1982]

^^You make him out to sound very god-fearing. Sorry, but throughout his actions and his life, that is proven to NOT be true. All we can do is speculate. If he was so god-fearing, why on earth is he using Jesus' name in vain? Why god's name in vain?? I think you want him to be god fearing as much as you posted above :yes: A god fearing man will not grab himself on stage..I don't care how much into his music he is, he won't give god credit for a song that is very sexual or whatnot.. he just won't.

More like he is reverent of his career and the people who held it together with him.. but not god. He hasn't always given thanks to god.. but a lot to man. Yes, he believes in a god ...

You made him out to sound like a flippin reverend, above :lol: And he's not!! No where nears!!

[MJzPrincess1982]

Although I must admit that the spiritual aspect is true, he is a spiritual man. He loves to meditate, as karen has said before. But that doesn't make him pure or good. I think it makes him more harmonious and more centered. And we don't know if he was with that one Shana lady, whether he released a statement or not. None of us were there with him and her when they were together .. total speculation.

I am sure that his mother would have liked for him to become a servant of God..but that just was not happening. He doesn't like control. I think it took him even a while to figure out God and His plan for his life! Mike doesn't wanna hurt anyone, even god. He is just a respectable person with a bit of cockiness under his belt. :lol:

I hiiighly doubt a man of god would shake his thang in gold trousers and show the women below what he is made of IN them, if you get what i am saying. It's only obvious he left nothing to the imagination and enjoyed the women's attention and loved them looking at his bits. :lol: Miiichael..tisk tisk. But hey, he is a male afterall!! :lol: :wub:

[SoS]

Even as we respond in what is catagorically a sensitive area, please lets be mindful of staying on topic before the (you know the "m" word people) feel a need to come in and 'regulate' things.

I will begin the response with an eye toward keeping on topic by a few reminders.

1. the relationship we are discussing is a spiritual relationship

2. if it began as the topic suggests, in the Someone In the Dark era, then we know that MJ was an ardent member of a religion that was strict about marrying 'within the faith" and although there were many women around him, he would have likely only been serious about someone aredently in that faith as well, to please no one but God

3. Somewhere along the line, as we see in Dancing the Dream, that MJ learned the difference between 'religion' and 'spirituality'. Which do you think Jesus was after? Religion, or Spirituality? MJ quotes Jesus as his source. If you doubt that, we can probably find a link to the Ed Bradley interview and a few print interviews. MJ also became open to visiting other churches where the Lord Jesus is preached, something that would never have been allowed within the confines of a continued avid involvement with his former religion.

4. AllforMJ said that MJ "fears" God. There is no one qualified to speak upon the details of what that relationship entails, before, during or after he has "grabbed his crotch". I did not hear/see her say MJ is pure, or "good". Since he knows his bible, he also knows that according to the word, "there is none righteous, no, not even one, for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. How God feels about the way MJ expresses his God-given talent can only be judged by The Only Judge on the last day. In fact, this is what she said:


Because he loves God, he's going to love and appreciate ALL of God's work. While appreciating God's work he is going to hold ALL of it to the highest regard. His number one purpose in life is to make sure that God is pleased with him and all that he does with the life and talents that God has given him. This is why he puts his all into everything that he does and makes sure that he's only putting out music that is soothing to the soul.

IOW, MJ does the best he can with what God has given him, including and not limited to, his spiritual consciousness.

5. It is a known fact that MJ keeps himself mingled as much as possible with the Source of all Life - that being The Creator, and that Source is in the form of God's creation which AllforMJ said that MJ appreciates.

My dear you have it in your avatar that you are omnipresent, now are you using God's name in vain? I'd rather think not. Can't we give our man a break?

"to those who show mercy to others, mercy will be shown to them, by our father who is in heaven"

[AllForMJ]

^^You make him out to sound very god-fearing. Sorry, but throughout his actions and his life, that is proven to NOT be true. All we can do is speculate. If he was so god-fearing, why on earth is he using Jesus' name in vain? Why god's name in vain?? I think you want him to be god fearing as much as you posted above :yes: A god fearing man will not grab himself on stage..I don't care how much into his music he is, he won't give god credit for a song that is very sexual or whatnot.. he just won't.

More like he is reverent of his career and the people who held it together with him.. but not god. He hasn't always given thanks to god.. but a lot to man. Yes, he believes in a god ...

You made him out to sound like a flippin reverend, above :lol: And he's not!! No where nears!!
I don't see him as a reverend or nothing like that. When I say being a servant of God, I'm saying as I could also say about you too because God can use anyone He wants. Even you.

You have probably touched the lives of many people in a positive way as your path has crossed with theirs. You...even if you are not known to the world. I can hear it in your words.

[MJzPrincess1982]

God fearing is one thing, but looking for your own self worth and acceptance upon MAN is another. And it's altogether too easy to go off topic now and then, seeing as we are speaking on OPINIONS in here. :yes: Everyone's got one! But it won't be that that'll get the mod's attention.

I love Michael's view of god and spirituality :wub: He has soo many poems and writings in his DANCING THE DREAM book that just totally took my breath away because he described what I could not!

[AllForMJ]

Although I must admit that the spiritual aspect is true, he is a spiritual man. He loves to meditate, as karen has said before. But that doesn't make him pure or good. I think it makes him more harmonious and more centered. And we don't know if he was with that one Shana lady, whether he released a statement or not. None of us were there with him and her when they were together .. total speculation.

I am sure that his mother would have liked for him to become a servant of God..but that just was not happening. He doesn't like control. I think it took him even a while to figure out God and His plan for his life! Mike doesn't wanna hurt anyone, even god. He is just a respectable person with a bit of cockiness under his belt. :lol:

I hiiighly doubt a man of god would shake his thang in gold trousers and show the women below what he is made of IN them, if you get what i am saying. It's only obvious he left nothing to the imagination and enjoyed the women's attention and loved them looking at his bits. :lol: Miiichael..tisk tisk. But hey, he is a male afterall!! :lol: :wub:
Who created sex? Wasn't it God?

If God is the one that created sex, then it is okay for MJ to include it. He just has to make sure he sets a limit on it. So far, he has.

Also, from listening to the way that he's been singing about sex over the years, it seems like he wants that part of his life to have some meaning, and not just be something that is done.

Listen to what he said in "Who Is It." He said, "I gave her passion. My very soul." So, it doesn't seem like he wants sex to only be physical. If he's a person that believes in giving his all, then it will enter that part of his life as well. Therefore, he's going to want sex to be done physically and spiritually combined.

[SoS]

so ok, we can concur that he is a man, doing the very best he can :)

that is indeed a good man :yes:

ok and a man who has done whatever he has done for whatever kind of attention he wanted at the time

only God can judge



God fearing is one thing, but looking for your own self worth and acceptance upon MAN is another.


We have got to remember, the man is an entertainer. Anyone who has been on stage can tell you, it brings out a whole 'nother area of expression.

[MJzPrincess1982]

Who created sex? Wasn't it God?

If God is the one that created sex, then it is okay for MJ to include it. He just has to make sure he sets a limit on it. So far, he has.

Also, from listening to the way that he's been singing about sex over the years, it seems like he wants that part of his life to have some meaning, and not just be something that is done.

Listen to what he said in "Who Is It." He said, "I gave her passion. My very soul." So, it doesn't seem like he wants sex to only be physical. If he's a person that believes in giving his all, then it will enter that part of his life as well. Therefore, he's going to want sex to be done physically and spiritually combined.
I like to stay away from those arguments (religion). I guess that is why I don't totally agree with you on the whole god & Michael theory thing. We only see what WE can see. We weren't in his shoes making his decisions and we weren't there watching his moves.

And I, too, don't think he is an empty or shallow person. I think he wants the most out of his very personal relationships because let's face it..people come and go in his life. And he wants HER to stick. You won't get that by being shallow and letting just water sink in, but all that is matter. Gravity has it's pull.

Anyway, I think that he has met this woman or known her based upon not mere chance but what was meant to be... his fate, his destiny. We all have one (leaving god aside).

[Moddie777]

I like to stay away from those arguments (religion). I guess that is why I don't totally agree with you on the whole god & Michael theory thing. We only see what WE can see. We weren't in his shoes making his decisions and we weren't there watching his moves.

And I, too, don't think he is an empty or shallow person. I think he wants the most out of his very personal relationships because let's face it..people come and go in his life. And he wants HER to stick. You won't get that by being shallow and letting just water sink in, but all that is matter. Gravity has it's pull.

Anyway, I think that he has met this woman or known her based upon not mere chance but what was meant to be... his fate, his destiny. We all have one (leaving god aside).

I honestly liked what you have said here, but for those of us who are giving our all in interpreting Michael's own lyrics, songs, poems and etc, we CAN NOT LEAVE OUT God, not when he himself include God, spirituality, and the look of this woman in so many of the releases he is taking part in.

[summer]

Ah, I've been away for a while again and then thereare ons of posts to read and to comment on. :lol:


You guys may be onto something here...the lyrics about her walking away from him? Maybe he was in some kind of disguise, and she just didn't know it was him...some kind of costume where he could be like the Oscar Meyer Weiner man or some other type of character that greets people and shakes their hand....and she happened to be one of those people whose hand he shook?? AND maybe just maybe HE could see her - through the mask in the disguise, but she just couldn't see him....and that never in her wildest dreams could she ever imagine that she just shook MICHAEL JACKSON's hand...?? He may have been a gentleman after...and took her hand and kissed it...and if she ever knew...she'd probably faint... Just a thought...

I had to laugh at that post because that was like you would have been describing my "meeting with Goofy" in Disneyland in 1991! :bugeyed :lol: :lol: To this day I'm always laughing when I think about it because I'm like "What if that person inside of Goofy was MICHAEL??!!" :wild: :lmao: (Even though, it probably was just some guy who was an MJ fan! :hysterical:) I went to Disneyland and I had an MJ t-shirt on...and then I saw Goofy, so I went over to him because I wanted to get my picture taken with Goofy (yup, that's when I do want to be photographed...when the picture is just for me as a "souvenier" :lol:). So I walked up to Goofy and asked if I can get a picture taken with him and he nodded his head and I remember I just noticed thsi black screen and I coudln't see the person inside but he/she was looking down to my shirt and then I cold hear a kissing sound. SO I got a kiss from Goofy for wearing a Michael Jackson t-shirt. :kickass: And then we posed for a picture and Goofy was holding on to me tight. Anyways...I still have that picture hanging on my wall at my parents' house. And when ever I look at it I'm like..."What if that was MJ!!". :lol: I don't know what gave me that idea, because it didn't cross my mind in Disneyland really (other wise I probably would have "spent the day with Goofy" to try to se who is inside the costume. :lol:). I don't know what made me go "OMG, maybe it was MJ!". Maybe because it was just around the Oscars and I saw in teh news that he was in L.A....or maybe it was him saying he likes to use disguises in DISNEYLAND (:wild: :hysterical::hysterical:)...I don't know why, but I have to laugh at the whole thing anyways. I just think it wa sfunny because I never forgot the "kiss" from Goofy because I was SO PROUD of my MJ shirt and that's why I wore it to Disneyland anyways because I wanted everyone to see I love MJ...and then to get a kiss from Goofy. Unforgettable. :clapping:(And I was 16 back then, so I am pretty sure I have not been mentioned in any MJ songs because of that, even if it was MJ! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: But Linda's story just reminded me of that "MJ related" incident so it made me laugh! :lol: )


Thank you for this! Sorry it took a while to respond to this post.
This is definately a love story about a long history with a woman, whom I feel, Michael has told us, is a woman of color. He even has described her physical form to us in song.
In "She drives me wild", he says "got it kicking in the back". That translates too her having a
big boodie. Kicking in the back is slang. The word "Kicking" was highly used in urban communities in the 90's. He also describes her body in the same song as, "a statesteque stack", which mean in his eyes at least, her body has EVERYTHING in ALL the places he desires most. She has curves and is not thin. She does not have a boyish body. Her body is shapely to Michael and apparently the sight of it drives him nuts!! Most women with bodies described the way Michael has described her body are women of color.

Well I'm whiter than white, but I still have a "booty". :lol: "Baby got BACK!" :wild: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: So it's not just colored people who are curvy. Elizabeth Taylor is white and she's curvy as hell. :yes:




It probably isn't so important to figure out details about her or figure out who she is or is not. That will all be revealed sooner or later I would imagine, unless he plans to hide their relationship but I really don't see that happening. I would think that we'll see her once she is ready, and once they both are ready for the onslaught of media and fan attention, both positive and negative as I don't think it can be only one or the other, there will always be some who will point out all the reasons why she isn't good enough or isn't right for him etc, without knowing either one in person..lol. I do wonder how we all would take it if we "figure out" her exact physical details such as age, race, size, so well that we could draw her out like a police sketch.....and we happen to be wrong.
I think he is very proud of his ethnicity and black heritage but I also think that he sees people as people and not as colours. He sees the spirit inside....and...I can remember something about the soul being like a prism of light, so colourful. Did he say this? Maybe I said it a long time ago one day chatting..lol..I don't know. Anyways, in the lyrics to the unheard song "you are so beautiful" doesn't he say she is colourful? He sees the soul of the person, so the exterior is of little importance.

That is my 2 cents.

That was a great post, Ape. And you're right there's most likely gonna be all kinds of haters and tabloids saying all kinds of things, no matter who MJ ever ends up being with. That's just how the tabloids are.

Actually what you said about the prisms and stuff reminded me of something Michael said years ago. I can't remember if I read it somewhre or if it was in some interview or something...But I can remember Michael once talking about why they chose a peacock as a symbol for their music publishing or something like that. I think it was during Destiny and Victory...Didn't the songs that the brothers wrote together all had "Peacock Music" or "Peacock Publishing" or something like that under the song credits? (You know like how there is "Mijack Music" now..?). Anyways, it had something to do with The Jacksons and their music and Michal said tehy chose a peacock as a symbol because a peacock's feathers have all colors and it's like a symbol of all colors living in harmony and that's what they like and want, and their music is for people of all colors and races. It was something like that. I can't remember how he said it exactly but it was pretty much along those lines.

I thnk Michael loves all races and wants all races to to get along and live together in harmony...*singing* "that's when we'll be free...."...(Sorry..that just remindd me of a Oscar Peterson song we used to sing with our choir! :lol: "Hymn To Freedom" ..Great song. :yes:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RnJFMX2kc&feature=related



Someone asked about this a few nights ago. This is a typed statement Raymone released online for us on October 9, 2007; From Michael:

To My Fans around the World:

I would like to thank you for the beautiful cards,photographs,messages,videos and gifts sent
to me on my birthday.
I was overwhelmed by YOUR KINDNESS, YOUR CONTINUED LOVE and SUPPORT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU all.......FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
I've been really busy lately. Hopefully You've seen the results of my recent photo shoot with
L' Umo Vogue.
Soon, I will be sharing exciting and surprising news with you from my other efforts. PLEASE KNOW AGAIN, that I love and appreciate each and every one of you, and send to you my heartfelt thanks and warm wishes.

Sincerely,
Michael Jackson

notice the "from the bottom of my heart" line? remember where and how I told you it was first shown during this time frame? He was using it alot, wasn't he?

Actually what stood out for ME the most and what I personally noticed was the very first sentence:

I would like to thank you for the beautiful cards,photographs,messages,videos and gifts sent
to me on my birthday."

:yes:

But that's just me! :scratch: :D :lol:





^^You make him out to sound very god-fearing. Sorry, but throughout his actions and his life, that is proven to NOT be true. All we can do is speculate. If he was so god-fearing, why on earth is he using Jesus' name in vain? Why god's name in vain?? I think you want him to be god fearing as much as you posted above :yes: A god fearing man will not grab himself on stage..I don't care how much into his music he is, he won't give god credit for a song that is very sexual or whatnot.. he just won't.

More like he is reverent of his career and the people who held it together with him.. but not god. He hasn't always given thanks to god.. but a lot to man. Yes, he believes in a god ...

You made him out to sound like a flippin reverend, above :lol: And he's not!! No where nears!!




I hiiighly doubt a man of god would shake his thang in gold trousers and show the women below what he is made of IN them, if you get what i am saying. It's only obvious he left nothing to the imagination and enjoyed the women's attention and loved them looking at his bits. :lol: Miiichael..tisk tisk. But hey, he is a male afterall!! :lol: :wub:

I don't want to turn this thread into a religious one and "about religion"...But people have different ways of believing in God and "serving God" and "being religious". And you can't say that just because someone does this or that, he/she can't be as "god-fearing" or "as religious" as someone who doesn't do certain things. Some religions are more strick than others and other religions allow more things. Some may believe in God or a "Higher source" and not be a part of any particular religion...but see them selves as "highly spiritual" or "highly religious" anyways. So how do you define what way they should behave then? Michael has said he belives in God very much. Tha's what he says and believes in...and we should respect that. Grabbing his crotch on stage has nothing to do with being "god-fearing" or "a good believer" in my opinion. I mean, he is PERFORMING on stage...he is DANCING...he is ENTERTAINING. What's so wrong or "sinful" about that?! It's not like he is having sex with every girl in the audience. :rolleyes: I myself would say I believe in God very much...and I'd even say I'm pretty religious...but still I don't think I can't use swear words or that I can't even think about sex or whatever...I mean, sorry...just don't believe in that. And in MY religion that was never a problem. Anyways...like I said...I don't want this to become a discussion about religion and what is right or not. I just wanted to point out that one shouldn't judge another person or their religious beliefs too quickly, because as I said, there are SO many different religions and beliefs and each has their own ways to believe in God or to serve God and I think no one can tell another person how he/she should believe in God. I think every single person has their own individual and intimate relationship to God and I think it's between God and the person how to best go at it. At least that's my opinion.

I think Michael is very spiritual and "religious" in his private life. I'm pretty sure God plays a very important role in his life. At least that's the impression I get when he is talking. And I don't realy understand what you mean by Michael using Jesus' name in vain? He talks about Jesus a lot and mentions him a lot. So far I have only heard him mention Jesus when he was talking about something Jesus did and was using it as an example to explain why he HIMSELF acts a certain way. What is so vain in that? If he has high regard for Jesus and wants to be a good person?? How could that be wrong? Aren't you supposed to mention Jesus at all? Because then we are all saying his name in vain. :mello: Or him giving credit to God for his music. How could that somehow be bad...EVEN when it would be for a song with sexual content? He is still giving praise to God. Thanking him for hsi talent. Besides, don't forget...we thank God for babies too and call them "blessings"...and you do know how babies are made, right? So...Just a thought...

[144,000]

^^^^i agree with you, Summer, about your statements about God, religion and Michael.

[wendy2004]

It probably isn't so important to figure out details about her or figure out who she is or is not. That will all be revealed sooner or later I would imagine, unless he plans to hide their relationship but I really don't see that happening. I would think that we'll see her once she is ready, and once they both are ready for the onslaught of media and fan attention, both positive and negative as I don't think it can be only one or the other, there will always be some who will point out all the reasons why she isn't good enough or isn't right for him etc, without knowing either one in person..lol. I do wonder how we all would take it if we "figure out" her exact physical details such as age, race, size, so well that we could draw her out like a police sketch.....and we happen to be wrong.
I think he is very proud of his ethnicity and black heritage but I also think that he sees people as people and not as colours. He sees the spirit inside....and...I can remember something about the soul being like a prism of light, so colourful. Did he say this? Maybe I said it a long time ago one day chatting..lol..I don't know. Anyways, in the lyrics to the unheard song "you are so beautiful" doesn't he say she is colourful? He sees the soul of the person, so the exterior is of little importance.

That is my 2 cents.

I completely agree with you, Ape...especially the bold parts. :flowers:

Also, if I'm not mistaken I believe it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it's purpose was not to figure out who she is or could be, IF she genuinely exists, however, once things take a turn for the physical it becomes just that becuz ppl start painting a picture of what she may look like. I think as long as the thread/topic was mainly about the "messages" it was harmless....altho honesly, I think IF MJ was communicating to her, it could be considered intrusive in a way to be discussing these private messages so publicly. Obviously, if he actually knew this woman he could reach her and tell her how he feels directly. If these are private messages done in a public way, it's possible that it's his only option at this point.

It's a beautiful and romantic story as it's being laid out, altho I believe some things are missing or being overlooked (which I have zero time to dedicate to pointing them out at the mo...forgive me) BUT I do wonder if this is a story he would want to tell himself....possibly thru new music.

Also, I think when ppl get into physical descriptions you have to take Michael's actions into consideration much more than his words, spoken or in song. Without getting into his private life and violating the rules of this board, all you have to do is go back thru time to see how varied his tastes can be...sometimes at the exact same time. He can be interested in or find appealing two individuals at the opposite ends of the physical spectrum. So with that I have to say the physical shouldn't even be an issue here as it's obvious, the "soul" to him is what matters in the end. It's how the woman touches him on the inside, if she genuinely does.

And if we're going to dissect Michael's lyrics for clues, then we can't forget Black or White. "If you're thinking of being my baby, it don't matter if you're black or white. :wink: To say only a black woman could be good for him, I have to disagree. I had a white teacher bring the plight of South African blacks during apartheid to my attention for the first time and made me more aware of the racial injustices of the world. There are some people not of African American race who CAN understand the plight of blacks even tho they don't live that life. They are "for real". If his mystery woman turns out to be that way, then he's in good hands just as he would be in a black woman's hands. Let's face it, not all of us are on the same plane when it comes to race and all it's nuances as we should be as black women either. So I think it's a little unfair to say he can only be happy and understood by a black woman.

As far as religion, he's gone in different ways there as well when it comes to women. So I think it's unfair to say this woman would HAVE to be God-fearing as well. I want to reiterate that you HAVE to take Michael's actions more seriously than what he sings, or rather, look at both his actions AND words as I think they tell the real story to what his ideal woman would require. She could very well be an atheist. He could be the man to bring God into her life. That's romantic, too.

It's things like this that makes this thread sorta dangerous. It's fun to speculate but I feel as long as religion (altho it has been and continues to be a strong part of Michael's life) and phyical attributes are left off the table, this thread will probably have a better chance of survival and not turn offensive. There are many songs that could take this thread into different directions as far as describing the mystery woman or whether it's been the same woman over time or not. It's possible, like many people in life, Michael once felt a particular woman WAS that dream girl, and he was wrong. So the type of music he put out over various times could very well be about different women he had in mind over the years and not one particular one. It's been speculated that MJ was very sad and possibly lonely around Invicible, which for the most part I can agree with, BUT there MAY have been some good moments as evidenced by YRMW. The lyrics are incredible. Sounds like someone WAS in his life and she was good for him and he WAS happy around that time. For how long or what happened, who knows? Speculating is fun, but I think it should be stressed that's all any of this is. And everyone is doing it from their own perspective or how they choose to see things.

Now, having said that, it's possible he has now found the one who possesses those attributes AND he's right this time. Michael definitely seems happier or more focused or spritely lately. And I do believe something wonderful happened to him during the course of the trial and all his misery. As awful as the whole ordeal was, it seems as if it was something he had endure for good and great things to change or come into his life. And in that way, it was a blessing in disguise, a cleansing by fire experience, if you will? However, I don't think anyone should try to possibly paint an accurate picture of what his mystery woman must look like. Michael's choices (at least the ones we've seen and know about) have been way too varied to be able to pin just one type down. We've heard of longs legs and light eyes, all sorts of things but not all of Michael's choices have fallen in those categories. So, my point is that physical stuffs and whatnots may be fun for speculating, but ppl should remember that's all it is.

Like Ape said, he could very well reveal someone very different physically than what's been speculated. Then what will folks think? He's made a mistake? She's the wrong woman? How will ppl react to that? Will they rebel against her in hopes of bringing Michael to what they've deduced to be his "true" love? I've seen how fans react to thinking Michael's making the wrong music or with the wrong managers, etc. I shudder to think what they will do in thinking he's with the wrong woman. Oh dear. I think it's important to keep an open mind and just stick to things like the messages of the songs or his press releases or whatever.

I will say sometimes I read this thread and think some ppl believe they know who the mystery woman is or perhaps have an idea of who they WANT it to be.....and have tried to make things fit so as to only describe that person/people. If that's the case then this thread isn't about speculating or having fun. It's about subtlely revealing the identitify of someone and that would definitely make this discussion intrusive. If Michael wanted that person revealed, he could just do it. This discussion could be an underhanded way of revealing something he's not ready to reveal for his own reasons and that would be uncool, imo. However, if ppl are just guessing, that's fine. It's just that the last few pages seem to be coming across as statements instead of guesswork?

For the most part it's been interesting to read. I've missed some parts so if anything I've said has been repeated, I apologized. This thread has blown the heck up and with the server problems, it's been hard to keep up. I'll read back when I have more time. Thanks to all who have contributed their opinions and speculations. :flowers:

[summer]

I completely agree with you, Ape...especially the bold parts. :flowers:

Also, if I'm not mistaken I believe it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it's purpose was not to figure out who she is or could be, IF she genuinely exists, however, once things take a turn for the physical it becomes just that becuz ppl start painting a picture of what she may look like. I think as long as the thread/topic was mainly about the "messages" it was harmless....altho honesly, I think IF MJ was communicating to her, it could be considered intrusive in a way to be discussing these private messages so publicly. 1.* Obviously, if he actually knew this woman he could reach her and tell her how he feels directly. If these are private messages done in a public way, it's possible that it's his only option at this point.

2.* It's a beautiful and romantic story as it's being laid out, altho I believe some things are missing or being overlooked (which I have zero time to dedicate to pointing them out at the mo...forgive me) BUT I do wonder if this is a story he would want to tell himself....possibly thru new music.

Also, I think when ppl get into physical descriptions you have to take Michael's actions into consideration much more than his words, spoken or in song. Without getting into his private life and violating the rules of this board, 3.* all you have to do is go back thru time to see how varied his tastes can be...sometimes at the exact same time. He can be interested in or find appealing two individuals at the opposite ends of the physical spectrum. So with that I have to say the physical shouldn't even be an issue here as it's obvious, the "soul" to him is what matters in the end. It's how the woman touches him on the inside, if she genuinely does.

And if we're going to dissect Michael's lyrics for clues, then we can't forget Black or White. "If you're thinking of being my baby, it don't matter if you're black or white. :wink: 4.* To say only a black woman could be good for him, I have to disagree. I had a white teacher bring the plight of South African blacks during apartheid to my attention for the first time and made me more aware of the racial injustices of the world. There are some people not of African American race who CAN understand the plight of blacks even tho they don't live that life. They are "for real". If his mystery woman turns out to be that way, then he's in good hands just as he would be in a black woman's hands. Let's face it, not all of us are on the same plane when it comes to race and all it's nuances as we should be as black women either. So I think it's a little unfair to say he can only be happy and understood by a black woman.

5.* As far as religion, he's gone in different ways there as well when it comes to women. So I think it's unfair to say this woman would HAVE to be God-fearing as well. I want to reiterate that you HAVE to take Michael's actions more seriously than what he sings, or rather, look at both his actions AND words as I think they tell the real story to what his ideal woman would require. She could very well be an atheist. He could be the man to bring God into her life. That's romantic, too.

It's things like this that makes this thread sorta dangerous. It's fun to speculate but I feel as long as religion (altho it has been and continues to be a strong part of Michael's life) and phyical attributes are left off the table, this thread will probably have a better chance of survival and not turn offensive. There are many songs that could take this thread into different directions as far as describing the mystery woman or whether it's been the same woman over time or not. It's possible, like many people in life, Michael once felt a particular woman WAS that dream girl, and he was wrong. So the type of music he put out over various times could very well be about different women he had in mind over the years and not one particular one. It's been speculated that MJ was very sad and possibly lonely around Invicible, which for the most part I can agree with, BUT there MAY have been some good moments as evidenced by YRMW. The lyrics are incredible. Sounds like someone WAS in his life and she was good for him and he WAS happy around that time. For how long or what happened, who knows? Speculating is fun, but I think it should be stressed that's all any of this is. And everyone is doing it from their own perspective or how they choose to see things.

Now, having said that, it's possible he has now found the one who possesses those attributes AND he's right this time. Michael definitely seems happier or more focused or spritely lately. And I do believe something wonderful happened to him during the course of the trial and all his misery. As awful as the whole ordeal was, it seems as if it was something he had endure for good and great things to change or come into his life. And in that way, it was a blessing in disguise, a cleansing by fire experience, if you will? However, I don't think anyone should try to possibly paint an accurate picture of what his mystery woman must look like. Michael's choices (at least the ones we've seen and know about) have been way too varied to be able to pin just one type down. We've heard of longs legs and light eyes, all sorts of things but not all of Michael's choices have fallen in those categories. So, my point is that physical stuffs and whatnots may be fun for speculating, but ppl should remember that's all it is.

Like Ape said, he could very well reveal someone very different physically than what's been speculated. Then what will folks think? He's made a mistake? She's the wrong woman? How will ppl react to that? Will they rebel against her in hopes of bringing Michael to what they've deduced to be his "true" love? I've seen how fans react to thinking Michael's making the wrong music or with the wrong managers, etc. I shudder to think what they will do in thinking he's with the wrong woman. Oh dear. I think it's important to keep an open mind and just stick to things like the messages of the songs or his press releases or whatever.

I will say sometimes I read this thread and think some ppl believe they know who the mystery woman is or perhaps have an idea of who they WANT it to be.....and have tried to make things fit so as to only describe that person/people. If that's the case then this thread isn't about speculating or having fun. It's about subtlely revealing the identitify of someone and that would definitely make this discussion intrusive. If Michael wanted that person revealed, he could just do it. This discussion could be an underhanded way of revealing something he's not ready to reveal for his own reasons and that would be uncool, imo. However, if ppl are just guessing, that's fine. It's just that the last few pages seem to be coming across as statements instead of guesswork?

For the most part it's been interesting to read. I've missed some parts so if anything I've said has been repeated, I apologized. This thread has blown the heck up and with the server problems, it's been hard to keep up. I'll read back when I have more time. Thanks to all who have contributed their opinions and speculations. :flowers:

EXCELLENT postm Wendy! :kickass: :) I enjoyed reading it! :yes:

I added numbers into your post so that it makes it easier for me and more understandable for you guys to get which parts I am replyin to.

1. That seems logical to me too. You know, "well, if he is in love with her and can't live without her...why doesn't he just call her or contact her some other ("old-fashioned") way? :scratch::lol: I mean, giving out clues in songs can be romantic...but doing it for YEARS without talking to her in person...that could get a bit FRUSTRATING for the girl, huh? :mello: :lol:

2: It is. I agree. :wub:

3. Again, true. And I agree. And I think it's possible he finds certain things in a woman attractive, but still it's the "whole package" that counts. And it's possible he has a "thing" for certain things like long legs and light eyes (even though he said that when he was like 12 years old, didn't he?), it doesn't mean he would never be attracted to someone with dark eyes, for example. I mean, I totally have a "thing" for guys with black hair and brown eyes...I just find that extremly attractive and absolutely beautiful. I always have. Maybe it's because no one in my family has that and my mom has always kept saying how beautiful dark eyes are too. She calls dark eyes "button eyes" and she finds dark eyes absolutely gorgeous. Like ever since I was a kid I can remember how my mom would go crazy if she saw a child or anyone with really dark brown eyes. She'd be like "aaawww...look how beautiful those eyes are!!". And I too find people with darkl hair and eyes really beautiful. But still almost all the guys I have ever had a crush on....were not really anything like that. So I think that every person has certain things they have a "thing" for or find extremely attractive, but still that doesn't mean they end up marrying someone who looks like that because it really is the inside that matters and how the person is as a whole and how the chemistry is etc. You can't control who you fall in love with. Besides...Michael also said himself in an interview that he finds East Indians extremely beautiful. :yes:

4. Again I agree. How do we know who is "right" for him. And in my opinion it is almost "racism" in a way to say he shouldn't or couldn't be with someone who is white because he himself is black. I mean, like I said you can't choose who you fall in love with. And if he falls in love with a white woman, he has every right to. That is not "denying his own race" or not wanting to be black or anything like that. He just fell in love. Period. Same thing if it was a black woman. Who ever Michael thinks is the right person for him and whoever he loves...is fine with me. It's his decision.

5. True. Lisa Marie was a member of the church of Scientology...Michael has said he has had a huge crush on Diana Ross and I don't know what church she belongs to...Brooke is a Catholic I believe....Don't know in what church Tatum belonged to, but I doubt she ever was a Jehova's Witness,etc. He probably wouldn't really "care" what her religion is as long as she would understand his relationship to God and would share his views on how his children should feel about religion.



And #6...I agre that it's fun to speculate but we should keep in mind that we are doing just that...speculating. No one knows who she is or if there even is any "mystery girl"...so there is no point in any arguements over what she could/would/should look or be like.

[TialovesMJ]

^^WOW!!!more insights to read... Its great to read them!!!!I agree... You can't help who you fall in love with..I wish him happiness :)

[AllForMJ]

Yes, that is a very good post, summer. Very nice.

And your post is also very nice, Wendy.

And, as a reminder to all in this thread is about love, romance and spirituality because Michael Jackson is a very loving, romantic and spiritual man. Lately, he's been singing about being in love and his demeanor is matching what he has been singing about.

When he first came out of the musical starting gate in the late 1960's, he had a crush on someone and it's very well known. From the late '60's on up to the 1980's he still had her on his mind. He was very happy during this time period. It was in his music and his singing. In the 1980's we saw him with her in ways that would say he had finally got his girl. But, we also know that he and she did not join in wedlock.

Throughout the mid 1980's and mid 1990's, we saw him with a variety of ladies and he looked very much in love then as well. His music also reflected happiness and so did the manner that he was singing.

By the time he reached the late 1990's, he had been through two divorces and other things that were heartbreaking. His music started showing signs of unhappiness.

In 2001, he put out an album that showed signs of him being weary. It was in many of the songs as well as his voice.

In 2003, he put out a compilation CD of his number one hits. Added to this list of songs was one new one and in this one new song he is singing about needing one more chance at love and is saying, "I can't stop loving you" at the end of it. His voice sounds strong as he says he'll walk around the world to find her. He doesn't care what it takes. He'll sail the seven seas to be near her.

In 2004, he put out a song where he is actually saying he is in love. He sounds very sincere while he is singing these words. In this same year he put out a package of music that was even bigger than the compilation CD that came out the prior year. This package is filled with love songs that do not sound anything like the love songs he released in 2001. These love songs show signs of him being content as far a love is concerned. In one of the released love songs, where he's describing what he wants and what he has been looking for, he says he'll be her story hero. And the way that he fought in that court battle was very heroic indeed.

We are now in 2008, and love songs filled with happiness are still coming. They are very warm and affection songs. The sound of love and affection is also in his voice.

These songs show a huge difference in him. He doesn't seem like he's trying to turn away from love. He is instead trying to embrace it. He wouldn't sound like he's in love if love wasn't there. We can look back in time and see that he wouldn't.

[DMGJACKSON]

Totally agree AllforMJ...
Excellent post !!

[MJzPrincess1982]

I honestly liked what you have said here, but for those of us who are giving our all in interpreting Michael's own lyrics, songs, poems and etc, we CAN NOT LEAVE OUT God, not when he himself include God, spirituality, and the look of this woman in so many of the releases he is taking part in.
I never meant to leave out god. How can I?? Michael speaks of him often.

I am, however, pointing out that it is obvious he seperates god and religion, therefor we should too(when discussing him, here). That has nothing to do with god fearing. If he was god fearing, his life would be totally different right now (yes, I am going based upon what the bible says!) I don't want to turn this into a religious debate either, I will agree to disagree. But I do not think he is a god fearing man(although he may highly respect god! total difference there). He fears man more than god (IMO)and he honors what others think about him a LOT. He has to in his field...and maybe he does that because he really cares about people's opinions and is nice.. But when history repeats itself and he repeats his history of many years ago (hate to bring that up), yeah..I'd have to wonder. He doesn't need OUR approval. He only needs to care what he himself thinks and treat others as he would like to be treated... that is what I think :yes:

*crosses fingers and tries her darndest to stay on topic* XD

[AllForMJ]

I never meant to leave out god. How can I?? Michael speaks of him often.

I am, however, pointing out that it is obvious he seperates god and religion, therefor we should too(when discussing him, here). That has nothing to do with god fearing. If he was god fearing, his life would be totally different right now (yes, I am going based upon what the bible says!) I don't want to turn this into a religious debate either, I will agree to disagree. But I do not think he is a god fearing man(although he may highly respect god! total difference there). He fears man more than god (IMO)and he honors what others think about him a LOT. He has to in his field...and maybe he does that because he really cares about people's opinions and is nice.. But when history repeats itself and he repeats his history of many years ago (hate to bring that up), yeah..I'd have to wonder. He doesn't need OUR approval. He only needs to care what he himself thinks and treat others as he would like to be treated... that is what I think :yes:

*crosses fingers and tries her darndest to stay on topic* XD
When I look at the way that MJ rose up so high above others; what he went through because of the Chandlers; how much pain he had to endure for over a decade after his path crossed with theirs; and how things are now starting to go so well and how he's letting the world know that he's fallen in love and how happy he is about it, it makes me think of the Book of Job. That's what I kept thinking about while watching him.

As many may know, Job went through a lot of pain, but he would not stop loving God. The reason why I kept thinking about the Book of Job is because MJ went through pain and humilation while the whole world watched, and not once did he stop loving God.

God brought MJ through that trial and he knows that God brought him through it. He is openly thanking God because he is supposed to. He has never been through anything of that magnitude. Putting his total trust in God is what got him through it. There is no way that man alone could have brought all that madness to a halt. It was stretching all across the globe morning, noon and night. It was wise of MJ to place that situation into God's hands as he had Ramone tell the world he was doing. A God-fearing person would know that he or she can do that and would act accordingly.

:yes:

Also, it's nice to see that the thread did not implode. I left home for a while and was wondering how it was doing.
:lol:

Love, spirituality and romance. I think it's very nice that Michael is so deep that a discussion like this can even be taking place. He's a recording artist that is so deep that it's almost like traveling through different dimension while having a conversation about him.

[MJzPrincess1982]

Or it was HER that got him through it.. her teaching him to hold on tightly to his faith, what he wanted so badly and dreamed of :) That is what I believe.

*remembers the look on Michael's face when Geraldo asked Michael if he had faith in god througout all this and his life* The look was PRICELESS :hysterical:

[AllForMJ]

God definitely had her there for him. Now, he is singing about her and he sure sounds beautiful.

:)

[AllForMJ]

Or it was HER that got him through it.. her teaching him to hold on tightly to his faith, what he wanted so badly and dreamed of :) That is what I believe.

*remembers the look on Michael's face when Geraldo asked Michael if he had faith in god througout all this and his life* The look was PRICELESS :hysterical:
I recorded it. I'm going to go and take a look at it.

You know what else I love? I love what he said to his mother in his "Thriller 25" booklet. He said:

My mother, Katherine, you are the rock of our family, whom I love so very much. Thank you for your love, strength, compassion, spiritual wisdom and guidance.
This shows that his mother is the one that planted the seed(s). His lady friend wouldn't have had to do much. She would only have to water it. The things that saved his life are the things that were placed in him early on by his mother.

[AllForMJ]

*remembers the look on Michael's face when Geraldo asked Michael if he had faith in god througout all this and his life* The look was PRICELESS :hysterical:
I went and watched my tape recording of Geraldo interviewing MJ and yes, that look WAS priceless! The night the interview aired on television I remember thinking, "Wow, MJ looks hecka serious right there!" He looked like he was wondering what's wrong with Geraldo. They had just finished discussing the rumor about MJ having quadruplets on the way. It is also around this part that Geraldo asked him about friends.

Geraldo: For instance, did you father quadruplets last year?

MJ: That was a crazy rumor.

Geraldo: Then they became twins. I don’t know what happened to the other two, maybe they were abducted by aliens.

MJ: I heard about that story and I don’t have any twins. They said I’m hiding them or something? Another made up rumor.

Geraldo: So it’s completely false.

MJ: The bigger the star, the bigger the target. I’m not trying to say I’m the super-duper star, I’m not saying that. I’m saying the fact that people come at celebrities, we’re targets. But truth always prevails. I believe in that. I believe in God, you know?

Geraldo: Does that faith sustain you?

MJ: Of course it does. (This is when MJ looked at Geraldo like he was saying, "What's wrong with you?") LOL

Then, Geraldo asked him about friendship. This is where it seems like his lady friend could have entered his mind. And don't forget, MJ did have "Beautiful Girl" playing while he was in the recording studio during this interview.

Geraldo: How about friendship?

MJ: What about friendship?

Geraldo: Do you rely on friends? Have people stayed with you through thick and thin? Who are your best friends?

MJ: My children, my family, my brothers and my sisters and yeah, most people have. Most people have. (Then his eyes lit up and that beautiful smile appeared.)

Geraldo: Do you want to mention the names of the true blue?

MJ: The faithful? You wouldn’t know them so, it’s uh… (Then, he briefly looked like he was thinking about her at that very moment.)

Then, Geraldo asked him about Liz Taylor and his friendship with her.

[BPYTD]

Ahoy...........the last time I posted it was on what page 66 or something. By the time I finish reading all this it'll have another 10 page :( lol :P Its like you guys are the ones in love lol! With this thread. It is very interesting

[mysterygirl7]

Allfor MJ
Can you post the part you are refering to with Geraldo, perhaps on youtube?

[BPYTD]

Allfor MJ
Can you post the part you are refering to with Geraldo, perhaps on youtube?
You can watch it here, if it will work.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/michael-jackson-geraldo-interview/859659144
its at 07:50 that they start talking about it

[TialovesMJ]

Thanks for posting the interview AllForMJ :D

[AllForMJ]

Thanks for posting the interview AllForMJ :D
You're welcome. That was just a little snippet. The full interview is much longer. I just posted that part because it is the part that MJzPrincess1982 was referring to a page back. And it just happens to have the part where Geraldo asked him about friends too.

By the way, I went back and made a correction after looking at that part again this morning. It was after Geraldo asked him about true blue friends that MJ told Geraldo he wouldn't know them and then briefly looked like he started thinking about her.

Also, I like the way that he said, "The faithful" after Geraldo said "the true blue."

[AllForMJ]

Ahoy...........the last time I posted it was on what page 66 or something. By the time I finish reading all this it'll have another 10 page :( lol :P Its like you guys are the ones in love lol! With this thread. It is very interesting
Ahoy and :lol:

[BPYTD]

Also, I like the way that he said, "The faithful" after Geraldo said "the true blue."
Me too :).........

[TialovesMJ]

It was after Geraldo asked him about true blue friends that MJ told Geraldo he wouldn't know them and then briefly looked like he started thinking about her.
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haha that's sweet how his eyes lit up and he started to smile :D. Just thinking about her!!

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[BPYTD]

haha that's sweet how his eyes lit up and he started to smile :D. Just thinking about her!!
Although he looked extra slim in that vid I thought he looked quite good. Like fresh faced. But then the vid I watch isnt in the best quality lol. a bit blurry

[laurenjayne]

I was listening to this song, Whatever Happens, and was looking over the lyrics. Was this song during the Invincible time frame? (I do not own that album).



it is from Invincible yes

[Ape]

He's working day and night, thinks he'll make her happy
Forgetting all the dreams that he had
He doesn't realize it's not the end of the world
It doesn't have to be that bad
She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"
Whatever, whatever, whatever

[Chorus]
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't you let go of my hand

The meaning to this song is not all that clear, don't you think? Or is it just me?Well just this part even, if we are to relay it to this thread, he could be working in the studio for her, thinking he's going to continue making her happy through his words when really it is HIM who makes her happy and the words only brought her to him.

Maybe?

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

I don't know. I think it's time we call up ol' MJ and see what his take is on all this. :P

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[friend]

imagines he'd laugh his butt off at how far off the mark we can go sometimes taking everything down to the bits n bytes level

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

haha (can I tease you a minute) queen g two two :P ;)
But I agree. I wonder if he would get caught up in our harlequin Romance, based on his music, like we do.

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys,

I typed out the words for the song "Fly Girl." It's the song that was playing while MJ and Will.i.am were in the recording studio with Access Hollywood. Couldn't find them online for some reason. Oh well. Check it out.

Thanks for posting the full song, MJzPrincess1982. The words tie into the thread very well.

I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
Nobody but you, babe

I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody but you

It's all so clear
Clear to me now
It's gotta be your class, style and your smile
The sun ain't shining, shining when you're gone
All I get is rain
All I get is storms
'Cause it's nothin' I can do
And nothin' I can say
'Cause I know I coulda, woulda, shoulda asked you to stay
Stay with me for life
Make you my wife
But my ego had me blinded
And I couldn't see the light

Love is complicated
Only when you fight it
Love is at its greatest when you touch it like Midas
And it's that simple
Simple as can be
I'm the only one for you
You the only one for me

Now you see it takes two
Two time's a charm
And this time around, we gonna form a strong bond
And together we can soar
Soar to wherever
And I'll never leave you never
'Cause forever is forever

Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me
Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me

Ay, ay, ay, ay
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
Nobody but you, babe

I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody, but you

Hey, you a fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
I want you to be my girl
(My girl)
My girl
(My girl)
My girl
(My girl)
Ooo, yeah, baby you a fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
I want you to be my girl
(My girl)
My girl
Girl, girl, girl, girl

I be reminiscing
Think about the moments
Sitting alone for hours
While we sit and talk and holding

Connected conversation
Expecting our relation
Our chemistry will bubble of that tinglin' sensation

You tease and blow me kisses
I play and call you Mrs.
I miss the way you hug me
When you're whispering your wishes
I never meant to hurt you
I hope you know I'm sorry
Together we can bring a happy ending to this story

All we need is trust
And just another chance
I little bit of luck
And romance to advance
I'll be your knight in shining
You'll be my silver lining
A good relationship is precious like a diamond

And I'll never let you go
And I wanna let you know
That I'm opening up to grow
And together we can float
Float to wherever
And I'll never leave you never
'Cause forever is forever

Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me
Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me

Ay, ay, ay, ay
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
Nobody but you, babe

I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody
I don't want nobody, but you

Hey, you a fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
I want you to be my girl
(My girl)
My girl
(My girl)
My girl
(My girl)
Ooo, yeah, baby you a fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
A fly girl
(Fly girl)
I want you to be my girl
(My girl)
My girl
Girl, girl, girl, girl

Lalalalalala
Hoo-hoo
Hey
Lalalalalala
Hoo-hoo
Hey
Lalalalalala
Hoo-hoo
Hey
Lalalalalala
Hoo-hoo
Hey

Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me
Pretty girls, they be comin' around
I wanna let you know I've been turning them down
'Cause I don't want no other ladies tellin' me they love me

Ay, ay, ay, ay
Deep, huh?

While MJ and Will.i.am were talking to Access Hollywood and the song was playing, MJ adjusted the setting a little bit so that shows that he was listening to it. I wonder if he already knew the words? The words fit very well with "One More Chance" as well as the way that "Ben" followed "One More Chance" on the "Number Ones" CD. "One More Chance" is about trying again and also mentions a storm and in "Ben" there's a line that says, "The two of us need look no more. We both found what we were looking for." Also, "Fly Girl" seems to explain why he hasn't been seen with anyone in public as if they are an item. It's like he only wants the one that he's waiting for.

[SoS]

^ Hi Ape! Yeah, that's pretty good...I can buy that. But what about the next line: forgetting all the dreams that he had? What do you think that might mean?

well if he had been dreaming that "working day and night" to "buy her things to keep her by his side" would make her happy and found out that she wasn't about all that ...

and maybe she had an odd way of showing it as expressed in the songs on Dangerous ... and YANA on HIStory ...

so he gets to a point of really trying hard to look at it from her side

He gives another smile, tries to understand her side
To show that he cares (and is not just about that one thing himself)

so what he envisioned from her point of view was,

She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"

so he's now beginning to realize it's not "the end of the world"
like he'd been feeling in the past songs (If You Don't Love Me, Who Is It etc.)

so "forgetting all the dreams that he'd had" means letting go of the idea that lavishing her with material things was the way to go
?


imagines he'd laugh his butt off at how far off the mark we can go sometimes taking everything down to the bits n bytes level :lol: :lol: :lol:

well he's the one dropping all these bread crumbs in his music :toofunny:

[SoS]

Hi you guys,

I typed out the words of the song "Fly Girl." It's the song that was playing while MJ and Will.i.am were in the recording studio with Access Hollywood. Couldn't find them online for some reason. Oh well. Check it out.

Thanks for posting the full song, MJzPrincess1982. The words tie into the thread very well.

Deep, huh?

While MJ and Will.i.am were talking to Access Hollywood and the song was playing, MJ adjusted the setting a little bit so that shows that he was listening to it. I wonder if he already knew the words? The words fit very well with "One More Chance" as well as the way that "Ben" followed "One More Chance" on the "Number Ones" CD. "One More Chance" is about trying again and also mentions a storm and in "Ben" there's a line that says, "The two of us need look no more. We both found what we were looking for." Also, "Fly Girl" seems to explain why he hasn't been seen with anyone in public as if they are an item. It's like he only wants the one that he's waiting for. interesting

and, the fact that it was the adult version of Ben especially :brow: and the Live version :ermm:

[AllForMJ]

well he's the one dropping all these bread crumbs in his music :toofunny:
Yep! And the chicks in this thread are just pecking away! Peck...peck...peck

:lol: :lol:

[LindaC781]

^^ if he really really wants true love, that can't be bought....and he is so so very special, he doesn't NEED to do that to get someone special to love him back..

[SoS]

^ exactly and very well stated

and it seems he finally came to realize it


Yep! And the chicks in this thread are just pecking away! Peck...peck...peck

:lol: :lol:

:lol:

[SoS]

I have a feeling that AllforMJ will be pointing out something else about Whatever Happens
if she's thinking what I think she's thinking


I'll just wait patiently :lol: (i just "know" its coming!)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ :lol::lol::lol:

[AllForMJ]

Finding out that true love is free should put his heart and mind at ease.

I have a feeling that AllforMJ will be pointing out something else about Whatever Happens
if she's thinking what I think she's thinking


I'll just wait patiently :lol: (i just "know" its coming!)
Yeahhhhhh, girlie. It's comin'. Just gemme a sec.

Nahhh, not really. Well, yeah. LOL

The part that gets me is, "Everything will be alright, he assures her. But she doesn't hear a word that he says."

I hear conflict in this line instead of them thinking as one. It's hard for two people to hold on to each other when they are going in different directions (i.e., not seeing eye to eye). Also, she can't keep him strong during a time of trouble if she is afraid.

[SoS]

Finding out that true love is free should put his heart and mind at ease.

Yeahhhhhh, girlie. It's comin'. Just gemme a sec.

Nahhh, not really. Well, yeah. LOL

The part that gets me is, "Everything will be alright, he assures her. But she doesn't hear a word that he says."

I hear conflict in this line instead of them thinking as one. It's hard for two people to hold on to each other when they are going in different directions (i.e., not seeing eye to eye). Also, she can't keep him strong during a time of trouble if she is afraid. Its because its not conflict.

Now that he understands her side, he assures her in his heart that "Everything will be aliright" but she doesn't hear a word that he says because she's not around - remember, she left and in this song he may even be explaining that he realizes why she "left" without saying goodbye.

Because of him knowing that he was right in his original feeling that "you and I could never really say goodbye"

makes sense why he says, "Whatever Happens Don't Let Go" (same thing he said in Don't Walk Away Don't Let Go)

Now that he has said "everything's gonna be alright" again in Hold My Hand perhaps she is getting a clue and is hearing a word that he says.

What is the one-word equivelant of Don't Let Go? Could it be hold? Me thinkest so :) :yes:

[AllForMJ]

Its because its not conflict.

Now that he understands her side, he assures her in his heart that "Everything will be aliright" but she doesn't hear a word that he says because she's not around - remember, she left and in this song he may even be explaining that he realizes why she "left" without saying goodbye.

Because of him knowing that he was right in his original feeling that "you and I could never really say goodbye"

makes sense why he says, "Whatever Happens Don't Let Go" (same thing he said in Don't Walk Away Don't Let Go)

Now that he has said "everything's gonna be alright" again in Hold My Hand perhaps she is getting a clue and is hearing a word that he says.

What is the one-word equivelant of Don't Let Go? Could it be hold? Me thinkest so :) :yes:
Ohhhhh, okay. That makes sense!

:yes:

[cleopatra1975]

I cant help but have this feeling that your stories match up well what this Elizabeth girl said.I dont know cant help. I know she said some stupid stuff and than said many things ( at the trial time around) what we ( fans) could not know.I think she told us those things casue she could not tell to someoneelse.And with the timing 2001 ...
People one thing why do we not believe her that she might be his friend? i just wonder. I know many said if she would be with michael why should she come her and talk. she answered always that he thinks its ok...I dont know ...its just my opinion.

so more i read your thoughts so more i begin to believe this girl

huggs

[mysterygirl7]

You can watch it here, if it will work.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/michael-jackson-geraldo-interview/859659144
its at 07:50 that they start talking about it

Oh thank you very much :flowers:

[TialovesMJ]

Its because its not conflict.

Now that he understands her side, he assures her in his heart that "Everything will be aliright" but she doesn't hear a word that he says because she's not around - remember, she left and in this song he may even be explaining that he realizes why she "left" without saying goodbye.

Because of him knowing that he was right in his original feeling that "you and I could never really say goodbye"

makes sense why he says, "Whatever Happens Don't Let Go" (same thing he said in Don't Walk Away Don't Let Go)

Now that he has said "everything's gonna be alright" again in Hold My Hand perhaps she is getting a clue and is hearing a word that he says.

What is the one-word equivelant of Don't Let Go? Could it be hold? Me thinkest so :) :yes:


good point!!:yes:

[AllForMJ]

I cant help but have this feeling that your stories match up well what this Elizabeth girl said.I dont know cant help. I know she said some stupid stuff and than said many things ( at the trial time around) what we ( fans) could not know.I think she told us those things casue she could not tell to someoneelse.And with the timing 2001 ...
People one thing why do we not believe her that she might be his friend? i just wonder. I know many said if she would be with michael why should she come her and talk. she answered always that he thinks its ok...I dont know ...its just my opinion.

so more i read your thoughts so more i begin to believe this girl

huggs
She could be, cleopatra. When the time is ripe, MJ will probably reveal who it is.

[TialovesMJ]

Yuppp..and the mystery unfolds :P

[BPYTD]

Oh thank you very much :flowers:
You're very welcome:)

[mystygrl]

I cant help but have this feeling that your stories match up well what this Elizabeth girl said.I dont know cant help. I know she said some stupid stuff and than said many things ( at the trial time around) what we ( fans) could not know.I think she told us those things casue she could not tell to someoneelse.And with the timing 2001 ...
People one thing why do we not believe her that she might be his friend? i just wonder. I know many said if she would be with michael why should she come her and talk. she answered always that he thinks its ok...I dont know ...its just my opinion.

so more i read your thoughts so more i begin to believe this girl

huggs

IMHO, there is a huge possibility that this "special lady" that he is in love with could be anyone. MJ has zillions of fans throughout the world and has met a lot of female fans. I am sure that there are many fans who are friends with other female fans, including within this thread, who have had the privilege of meeting him. So, just as much as one might believe that their friend who has told them something, which seems to connect them to Michael, in some way, that could be true for the numerous amount of other fans as well whose female friends are friends with him too. What I am getting at is I thought a few pages back it was mentioned that the purpose of this thread was not to figure out who this "mystery lady" is or what she looks like. In fact, I feel that AllForMJ mentioned it best that when it comes to this "special lady" that is something for MJ, HIMSELF, to reveal.

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Honestly, I don't want to know who she is unless it comes from the horse’s mouth, which gives us more opportunities to discuss this beautiful romance by interpreting the lyrics of his music. In addition, it also creates excitement for the release of his next CD where it is very possible that Michael will reveal more hints or make it very apparent who this woman is. To start naming names and interjecting thoughts about who we feel she is makes all the fun disappear from this thread and I don't want to lose the fun.
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I hope we can all continue sharing our insights and stay on this wonderful journey of love that AllForMJ began in support of a special human being - Michael Jackson.<o:p></o:p>

[TialovesMJ]

^^ I 100% agree!

[Coy]

Fact would kill the fantasy, which is what all this is about..
It's an exciting game of discovery and mystery. Fact, would mean the end of this thread.

I don't pretend to understand, how you find all these 'links' and 'hints', much like pearls on a string, going way back and ending up in the present, BUT I do applaud your vivid imagination.

Maybe you're right.
Maybe you're wrong.

Sometimes, one is content not to know the answer to everything.

[summer]

I was listening to this song, Whatever Happens, and was looking over the lyrics. Was this song during the Invincible time frame? (I do not own that album).

And do you think the lyrics tie in somehow to anything else we have been seeing in this thread so far... or not really?

The lyrics to Whatever Happens:

"Whatever Happens"

He gives another smile, tries to understand her side
To show that he cares
She's consumed with everything that's been goin' on
She says

[Chorus]
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand

Everything will be alright, he assures her
But she doesn't hear a word that he says
Preoccupied, she's afraid
Afraid that what they're doing is not right
He doesn't know what to say, so he prays
Whatever, whatever, whatever

[Chorus]
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't you let go of my hand

Don't let go of my hand
Don't let go of my hand

He's working day and night, thinks he'll make her happy
Forgetting all the dreams that he had
He doesn't realize it's not the end of the world
It doesn't have to be that bad
She tries to explain, "It's you that makes me happy,"
Whatever, whatever, whatever

[Chorus]
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't let go of my hand
Whatever happens, don't you let go of my hand

The meaning to this song is not all that clear, don't you think? Or is it just me?

Actually I always thought "Whatever Happens" was about losing a baby, for some reason...I always thought it was about MJ and Debbie somehow. There were rumors that Debbie lost a baby before Prince was born, so Whatever Happens kind of makes me think about that. But it could really be about anything between two people and their relationship really.

It's like in the first part SHE is insecure and scared about what's going on (in their relationship or in some other difficult situation they both have to try to endure) and he is there for her, supporting her and trying to understand her and trying to give her what she needs...He tries to do his best...and still, he is feeling helpless too because he doesn't really know how to comfort her or if what he says is doing any good so that's why "he prays"...

And in the second part to me it's about how he is giving his all...He is pouring his heart and soul into the relationship...He is doing EVERYTHING for her. ANYTHING to make her happy. And is forgetting his own dreams and desires in the process. ("Forgetting all the dreams that he had") He is working his butt off to give her everything her heart could possibly desire financially...and he is trying to please her and give her everything and anything she could possibly want...but he doesn't realize that what really makes her happy, is just being with him...and his love. ("She tries to explain, It's YOU that makes me happy"). She doesn't need all these material things and all these gifts and fancy clothes/cars/whatever....she just wants to be with him, spend time with him, hold him close...and that's enough for her and that's all that she needs. And it feels like he is so desperate to please her that he kind of gets "lost" in the process...and if there is even one little thing that woudl indicate she isn't happy with him or something he did...it's like the "end of the world" to him. But she's trying to make him see that "it doesn't have to be that bad". Because the only thing she needs is him and his love. Everything else is irrelevant. Or on the other hand it could be that IF the song was really about losing a baby...it's like she is telling him that it's not the end of the world...like she's saying "I still love you, no matter what".

Anyways...I DON'T KNOW what the song is about. :lol: That's just "my interpretation". :lol: And TO ME....even though that song seems to be about a relationship...it still reminds me of the night my dad died at the hospital. My dad always kept assuring me everything will be alright. I was consumed by everything that had been going on. I was holding my dad's hand until he died. My dad was ALWAYS working, always making sure we are okay, etc....there are just so many things that remind me of the night my dad died and the whole thing. So that song has a totally different meaning to me personally and I start crying pretty much every time I listen to it. And like I said..the first part also somehow makes me think of losing a baby...don't ask me why, but it just does.

So those are my two cents about that song. :lol:


Yep! And the chicks in this thread are just pecking away! Peck...peck...peck

:lol: :lol:

OMG, look at StateOfShock's signature picture!!! :bugeyed:lmao: :lmao: She's flying right at cha to get the first crumb!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[summer]

(I have to quote what mystrygirl said like this because it wouldn't let me really quote her post other wise...Argh!)

"In addition, it also creates excitement for the release of his next CD where it is very possible that Michael will reveal more hints or make it very apparent who this woman is."

I can just see Michael coming to the board and reading this thread and then he looks at all the songs he has written for his new album and he's gonna be all like "HELL NAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"....*evil grin*..."Ain't gonna put ONE love song on that album...I'm just gonna sing about Speed Demons and Smooth Criminals and Ghosts again...!! :kickass: :clapping:HA!!! :tease:Wonder what all those girls on the board will say THEN!!! ;D Muahahahahaha!!!! *evil laughter* :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


Fact would kill the fantasy, which is what all this is about..
It's an exciting game of discovery and mystery. Fact, would mean the end of this thread.

I don't pretend to understand, how you find all these 'links' and 'hints', much like pearls on a string, going way back and ending up in the present, BUT I do applaud your vivid imagination.

Maybe you're right.
Maybe you're wrong.

Sometimes, one is content not to know the answer to everything.

Wow, great post! :clapping: Very well said! :yes: And it's true...this thread is fun. No idea how factual it is...but it certainly is fun. :)

[SoS]

Fact would kill the fantasy, which is what all this is about..
It's an exciting game of discovery and mystery. Fact, would mean the end of this thread.

I don't pretend to understand, how you find all these 'links' and 'hints', much like pearls on a string, going way back and ending up in the present, BUT I do applaud your vivid imagination.

Maybe you're right.
Maybe you're wrong.

Sometimes, one is content not to know the answer to everything.

True, and we have to respect the fact that evidently Michael likes mystery or else he'd do whatever someone with his resources does to find someone, get in their face and say, "I've been looking all over for you!!"

but instead, over the course of time, he lays out the spiritual significance this 'relationship' has for him, by using his God-given, spiritually inspired, medium of music, as a means to communicate ... and as everyone has pointed out ... that makes him, and everything about this, very sweet, beautiful and very romantic :wub:

[cleopatra1975]

summer this is a great idea...wow ...now when you said this..it could be also like debbie was worried about the rumours and also about the bad news...and he did said to her that everyting will be alright...whatever happens dont let go of my hand. wasnt Michael new divorced at this time around 1998?that would make sense...

[AllForMJ]

I can just see Michael coming to the board and reading this thread and then he looks at all the songs he has written for his new album and he's gonna be all like "HELL NAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"....*evil grin*..."Ain't gonna put ONE love song on that album...I'm just gonna sing about Speed Demons and Smooth Criminals and Ghosts again...!! :kickass: :clapping:HA!!! :tease:Wonder what all those girls on the board will say THEN!!! ;D Muahahahahaha!!!! *evil laughter* :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Oh wow! It would be SOOOOO messed up if he did that to us on purpose! We'd run into the BIGGEST brick wall ever!! All female pile up! They'd have to dispatch every tow truck driver in town to clear the wreckage!

:lol: :rofl:

Mi-Jac, please have mercy on us, okay? Please? :lol:

[summer]

*singing*

Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it

Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it posted on here
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's Mike-fan, ya know! :yes: :kickass: :lmao: :lmao:

[TialovesMJ]

*makes a beat for the song* :lmao: hahahahaha :hysterical:

[MJzPrincess1982]

I cant help but have this feeling that your stories match up well what this Elizabeth girl said.I dont know cant help. I know she said some stupid stuff and than said many things ( at the trial time around) what we ( fans) could not know.I think she told us those things casue she could not tell to someoneelse.And with the timing 2001 ...
People one thing why do we not believe her that she might be his friend? i just wonder. I know many said if she would be with michael why should she come her and talk. she answered always that he thinks its ok...I dont know ...its just my opinion.

so more i read your thoughts so more i begin to believe this girl

huggs
and what is her story???

[AllForMJ]

I was just listening to this song by "Boys II Men" and it made me say wow, this sounds a lot like what MJ is saying to his friend. It's called the "Color of Love."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBtr3jdbjwM

[TialovesMJ]

Thanks!!!Ahhh, but It says its no longer available!!!

[AllForMJ]

Is it still saying no longer available? It's playing for me.

[TialovesMJ]

Yeah, its still saying that the video is no longer available!!Thanks anyways:D

[AllForMJ]

Can you copy and paste the web address into your browser? Click on "quote" to get it. That may work.

[TialovesMJ]

nope....still doesn't.

[AllForMJ]

Hmmmm. It just worked for me again. Maybe you can go straight to Youtube and type "Boys II Men" "Color of Love" into the "Search" field. That should work. Let me know.

[TialovesMJ]

Its working at Youtube!!!Thanks.

[AllForMJ]

Yahoo!!! Glad it's working for you there!

This song by "Boys II Men" came to mind while thinking of all the things that MJ has been conveying lately.

He is such a lovely man. :wub:

[Ape]

Are you all as anxious as I am for the new CD coming out? Do you think that "it's gonna be sooner than they think, I'll tell you that much, it'll be sooner than they think" was about the album, or about the lady? (the call to Devon)

[TialovesMJ]

Yahoo!!! Glad it's working for you there!

This song by "Boys II Men" came to mind while thinking of all the things that MJ has been conveying lately.

He is such a lovely man. :wub:

:yes: it most Definately does.. and yes, indeed he is a lovely man :D

The Color of Love is a great song,..Thanks AllForMJ

[AllForMJ]

Glad you liked the song, MJbabe21. It's saying a lot of the things that MJ seems to be feeling. It's a very pretty love song.

Are you all as anxious as I am for the new CD coming out? Do you think that "it's gonna be sooner than they think, I'll tell you that much, it'll be sooner than they think" was about the album, or about the lady? (the call to Devon)
Oooooo, ain't no telling because he also said,"Come on out. I'm coming. I'm coming." It could mean one, the other or both. lol. He is so much fun!

Gotta wait for him to start rollin' in order to see where he's going. It really doesn't feel like it's going to be too much longer. It's definitely not years off. It seems like he's pretty anxious to crank things up.

As a matter of fact, I need to get my butt out there and buy my tickets to Janet's concert before they're gone. She's about to do her thing too. I wouldn't be surprised if MJ starts releasing songs sometime this year and then tour some time after Janet is done so their albums and concerts won't overlap. It seems like he would let his baby sister finish up before he fully starts pushing his project(s) and making his rounds.

[Magicgirl]

I love reading this thread, it's like instead of buying a new novel...
I guess the song "Someone in the dark.." was to this "E.T" film about this alien, so may be the aliens were meant as secret friends.

[laurenjayne]

^ it is a great thread :D

[MJzPrincess1982]

there are many many songs out there that sound like they have ties to his life stories :yes: ;)

[AllForMJ]

You know what? This thread is about love (because he's very loving), romance (because he's very romantic), spirituality (because he's very spiritual), comedy (because he's very funny) and music (because he's very musical -- the best at it).

This thread can go in many different directions because he's very colorful.

[Coy]

He couldn't be boring, if he tried :D

[TialovesMJ]

^^Heck no that's for sure :)The man seems to know how to have Fun, just by looking at his pranks and food fights, water fights :D......

[summer]

You know what? This thread is about love (because he's very loving), romance (because he's very romantic), spirituality (because he's very spiritual), comedy (because he's very funny) and music (because he's very musical -- the best at it).

This thread can go in many different directions because he's very colorful.

Yeah and don't forget candy and KFC!! Because well...MJ is sweet (oh how cheesy of me...I knoooooow!! :smilerolleyes: :lmao:) and he loves candy (and MEEEE TOOO!!! WHOOHOO!! :clapping:) and well...he's one Mr. Mike Nugget with his love for KFC! :hysterical::hysterical: So ya can't leave out da CHIIICKEN! :cheers: :lmao: :lmao: I'm just joking (as if anyone would have taken me seriously anyways with that! :doh: :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:) This thread is just about all things beautiful...Michael related and all. :D :lol:


He couldn't be boring, if he tried :D

Michael??! No, I don't think so!! :lol: :lol: I mean, I don't know him but he seems to be a lot of fun to be around. He seems to have a great sense of humor and all the water fight stuff etc...is fuuun! :) Besides, Michael is SO intelligent and has such a fascinating mind that as long as he'd keep talking I don't think I'd ever be bored. He seems to be a "deep thinker" and that is "entertaining" as well. Great, deep conversations are GOOD!! :yes: Oh who am I kidding....I just looove talking for hours anyways. Period. :lol: Be it deep or just babbling on (no wonder my phone bills are INSANE!!). :hysterical: :hysterical:

[Ape]

I was just thinking of music as a form of communication and you compare a love letter to a song written and sung especially for a love. wow. Before all of this (Michael and his music) I hadn't put much thought into songs being so personal to the singer. I don't know why I never thought of it before. We dedicate songs to people all the time, but to think that they mean so much to the artist singing it instead of thinking of their voice as just another instrument in the song, it gives them so much meaning. It's beautiful.

Imagine, rather than writing a love letter or phoning to tell you he loves you, or even saying in person how he feels for you, your man wrote not just one song, but wrote, sang, and put out an album of how he feels for you. FOR YOU. It's overwhelming. Then not everyone could do that could they? Love letters are also very romantic, and so is a phone call or telling in person how you feel about another, but just imagine one of those beautiful romantic gushy love songs on the radio being about you and for you. That would bring tears to your eyes every time that song came on. :wub: .. stuff like that makes me wonder how someone can think he couldn't find someone to love him for him. Who COULDN'T love him for him?

[SoS]

^ because a plethora of people love him for "what's in it for them"

[LindaC781]

Who is Elizabeth, and what is her story??

[Ape]

but that isn't because of who he is, it's because of who they are. He is very lovable and some will be selfish and fail to see what he has to offer that REALLY matters because they aren't wired to even appreciate the beauty inside a person, but that doesn't mean there won't be some (and many actually) who will see and value all that he is.

[TialovesMJ]

opps...wasn't finished with what i was typing :P

[TialovesMJ]

Who is Elizabeth, and what is her story??

Idk??lol beats me?
who knows who she is??no clue..

[Coy]

.. and well...he's one Mr. Mike Nugget

LOL I love that nick name.
Mhm, makes me hungry for hot wings .

APE; That would be one intense declaration of love, wouldn't it?
I'm sure, he can't help but express his love in multiple ways, being the a creative soul.

He seems to let himself drown in emotions; speaking, dancing, writing, singing his heart out. Whatever he may be feeling..

Just look at that last clip of him singing.
He's not in this world while doing it, or rather..
He has tapped into the heartbeat of the universe, and it shines through him.
Beautiful and pure. 'Magic', as he would say.

I hope you all understand, what I'm trying to say.
It's so BIG, and I'm trying to find the right words..
It's on the tip of my tongue, but it won't translate, tolerate confined space.

[Ape]

^It comes through :)

[summer]

I was just thinking of music as a form of communication and you compare a love letter to a song written and sung especially for a love. wow. Before all of this (Michael and his music) I hadn't put much thought into songs being so personal to the singer. I don't know why I never thought of it before. We dedicate songs to people all the time, but to think that they mean so much to the artist singing it instead of thinking of their voice as just another instrument in the song, it gives them so much meaning. It's beautiful.

Imagine, rather than writing a love letter or phoning to tell you he loves you, or even saying in person how he feels for you, your man wrote not just one song, but wrote, sang, and put out an album of how he feels for you. FOR YOU. It's overwhelming. Then not everyone could do that could they? Love letters are also very romantic, and so is a phone call or telling in person how you feel about another, but just imagine one of those beautiful romantic gushy love songs on the radio being about you and for you. That would bring tears to your eyes every time that song came on. :wub: .. stuff like that makes me wonder how someone can think he couldn't find someone to love him for him. Who COULDN'T love him for him?

Yeah, tears of happiness and appreciation when things are going great...but tears of sadness and bitterness if the relationship has ended. I mean, imagine trying to get over someone and then you keep hearing all these songs everywhere about you two. Good luck trying to forget him and your time together...:mello: :lol: But I agree it would be extremely romantic to get soem "message" in a song. But like I said...if it goes on for years...if I wre that girl, at least I'd get totally FRUSTRATED!! :lol: Besides...no matter how romantic it is...if it goes on for years without MJ ever having really TOLD the girl in PERSON....don't you think he is gonna risk losing her? I mean, if she didn't know about him sending all these "coded messages"...what if she found someone else in the meantime? Or even if some of the things would have made her go "Hmmm..." :scratch:, do you think she'd put her life "on hold" for years just to see if MJ would contact her and then risk losing some guy who WAS her "Mr. Right" just because she was "waiting for MJ"...but then she got the messages wrong anyways. Does that make any sense? :scratch: :lol:


^ because a plethora of people love him for "what's in it for them"

True...there are gold diggers left, right and center in this world...I really don't envy Mike in that aspect. I think if a girl MJ was interested in would even hint she would like to be in show business, it should be a red flag for MJ. But I think Michael is an "observer" so I thin he should be able to see through a persons true motives soon enough. And I mean, if you have someone who's all "I want that diamond necklace Mike!! I want a Mercedes! I wanna live in Beverly Hills! I wanna go to this party with all these celebrities!! I wanna be on TV!!"...it would be pretty obvious what they are most interested in. Money and fame. And not Michael.


LOL I love that nick name.
Mhm, makes me hungry for hot wings .

APE; That would be one intense declaration of love, wouldn't it?
I'm sure, he can't help but express his love in multiple ways, being the a creative soul.

He seems to let himself drown in emotions; speaking, dancing, writing, singing his heart out. Whatever he may be feeling..

Just look at that last clip of him singing.
He's not in this world while doing it, or rather..
He has tapped into the heartbeat of the universe, and it shines through him.
Beautiful and pure. 'Magic', as he would say.

I hope you all understand, what I'm trying to say.
It's so BIG, and I'm trying to find the right words..
It's on the tip of my tongue, but it won't translate, tolerate confined space.

Yeah...I love it too! :D I just had to laugh at it when I came up with it one day. If I were friends with Michael I'd call him "Nugget". :D :lmao: :lmao: Just because he loves KFC and chicken so much! :lol: (Well, I mean, I don't KNOW it for sure...but that's what I've heard) It always cracks me up because I think that's so funny and cute. Very endearing. :yes: Like, when I found out that the guy I have a crush on at work is a real "chocoholic" (he can empty a box of chocolates in no time, like no other! :lol: And still he's totally thin. Not fair! :lol:)...I thought that was sweet (no pun intended! :lol:) somehow. Because I loooove chocolate and candy myself. I have a terrible sweet tooth, so if a GUY is like that too, or is totally into some food, I just find it cute. :wub: So yeah, I thinkit's cute MJ loves KFC (if it's true)...so Nugget would be a fitting nickname for him...besides I think it's a cute nickname. :) And just like a gold nugget is precious, MJ is precious, so "Nugget" fits in that aspect too. :)

What last clip of him singing do you mean? *trying to think when she saw MJ singing the last* :scratch::lol: Do you mean the WMA's in 2006? Actually I think he looked a bit sad somehow on stage. I don't know why...I just did. It was very subtle though. Like...he was smiling,but there was something there that still made me feel like he's not 100% happy. I guess it was his body language and especially his eyes. I could be wrong though. And why he'd be sad...there could be a million reasons, so I'm not even going to try to guess. :lol:


^It comes through :)

Yeah I got what Coy meant too. Can't think of a good word now though either. :lol:

[Coy]

What last clip of him singing do you mean? *trying to think when she saw MJ singing the last* :scratch::lol: Do you mean the WMA's in 2006?

Uh, did I make a boo boo?? Do I have the wrong thread?
It's the clip where he sangs that 'Peter Pan song'?? The interview where he brings out La Toya?

[Sdeidjs]

^ because a plethora of people love him for "what's in it for them"

My goodness gracious State of Shock, you have hit that nail right on the head..!

[summer]

Uh, did I make a boo boo?? Do I have the wrong thread?
It's the clip where he sangs that 'Peter Pan song'?? The interview where he brings out La Toya?

The "Peter Pan Song"...you mean the one that goes "*summer singing and doing ballet type of movements :lol:* "Dancing on a cloud...the sun looks so high...watch me now...watch meeeee....nnnnnoooowwww....I'mmmmmm Peeeeeteeeeeeeerrrrrr Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.....I can dooooo.... ANYTHING....it's so...." :rofl:

I don't know if anyone posted a clip from the Unauthorized Interview on here...? :scratch: :lol: (Now I get your referance: "Like MJ would say MAGIC!!!" OMG, he said that word like at least a hundred times in that interview!!! :lol: "It's not cold...it's MAGIC!!" :lmao: )The last video clip I posted was MJ singing "Heaven Can Wait" in London...but that clip is from 2002. But he is totally getting into it too though. :lol: I thought you meant some recent clip..and was making a point how he was "pouring his heart and soul" in it because he was in love or whatever...so that got me confused because I was trying to think when MJ last sang anything and the only thing I could think of was the WMA's. :lol: Sorry...my bad. :lol:

[summer]

(I have to quote what mystrygirl said like this because it wouldn't let me really quote her post other wise...Argh!)

"In addition, it also creates excitement for the release of his next CD where it is very possible that Michael will reveal more hints or make it very apparent who this woman is."

I can just see Michael coming to the board and reading this thread and then he looks at all the songs he has written for his new album and he's gonna be all like "HELL NAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"....*evil grin*..."Ain't gonna put ONE love song on that album...I'm just gonna sing about Speed Demons and Smooth Criminals and Ghosts again...!! :kickass: :clapping:HA!!! :tease:Wonder what all those girls on the board will say THEN!!! ;D Muahahahahaha!!!! *evil laughter* :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:






Oh wow! It would be SOOOOO messed up if he did that to us on purpose! We'd run into the BIGGEST brick wall ever!! All female pile up! They'd have to dispatch every tow truck driver in town to clear the wreckage!

:lol: :rofl:

Mi-Jac, please have mercy on us, okay? Please? :lol:

It just hit me when I was reading the MJ50 forum about the "King Of Pop" album releases all around the world....See...I was right! :hysterical: Michael let's the FANS choose the songs...that way we can't speculate if theer was some hidden message on the album, because he didn't choose the songs. ;D See....all that happened "Sooner than you think!". :fortuneteller: Ha! ;D :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical:

[Coy]

The "Peter Pan Song"...you mean the one that goes "*summer singing and doing ballet type of movements :lol:* "Dancing on a cloud...the sun looks so high...watch me now...watch meeeee....nnnnnoooowwww....I'mmmmmm Peeeeeteeeeeeeerrrrrr Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.....I can dooooo.... ANYTHING....it's so...." :rofl:

I don't know if anyone posted a clip from the Unauthorized Interview on here...? :scratch: :lol: (Now I get your referance: "Like MJ would say MAGIC!!!" OMG, he said that word like at least a hundred times in that interview!!! :lol: "It's not cold...it's MAGIC!!" :lmao: )The last video clip I posted was MJ singing "Heaven Can Wait" in London...but that clip is from 2002. But he is totally getting into it too though. :lol: I thought you meant some recent clip..and was making a point how he was "pouring his heart and soul" in it because he was in love or whatever...so that got me confused because I was trying to think when MJ last sang anything and the only thing I could think of was the WMA's. :lol: Sorry...my bad. :lol:

:rofl: It seems we have to work on our communication skills Summer
You got the song right this time around though! ;)
I see :fortuneteller: things working out. Not to worry! :D

*twinkle toes* Flap arms like a bird*
"Watch me noow, watch me FLYYYY!!!"
Like a little kid. I love it :clapping:

He certainly seemed swept away by the music in your clip.
Can't keep still. Have to.. Mooooove.

[summer]

:rofl: It seems we have to work on our communication skills Summer
You got the song right this time around though! ;)
I see :fortuneteller: things working out. Not to worry! :D

*twinkle toes* Flap arms like a bird*
"Watch me noow, watch me FLYYYY!!!"
Like a little kid. I love it :clapping:

He certainly seemed swept away by the music in your clip.
Can't keep still. Have to.. Mooooove.

Well, did I tell you I'm a blonde so...if I'm a bit *moving in slow motion* "ssssssssllllllloooooooooow"....then that's why. :doh: :lmao: :lmao: Yeah, I bet things will work out...Michael is smart and he's been in the limelight all his life, he knows how to "work" that field...he'll figure it out. If the girl is "The right one" and not trying to hog the cameras...I think they'll be fine. (Wait...or did you mean our "communication" working out?! :doh: *confused* :lmao: :lmao: See...here I go AGAIN!!! BLONDES!!! :doh: :lol: )

Aaaaaah....now you got me all into that whole cute MJ footage!!! I gotta go watch all that on video! Wait....actually I don't think I HAVE it on video...or do I?? :scratch:(I'm not only blonde...I'm SENILE apparently as well!! Aaah...Michael marry me!! I'm SUCH a "catch"!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hysterical: :hysterical: ). I know I have the interview on tape....but do I have it on video too...? But how would I know all the "Ballet move" stuff if I didn't have it on video...:scratch:...K guess it is time to watch all my MJ videos again!! :lol: I guess I got "stuck" with my Munich 1999 and London 2002 footage of MJ....Too fascinating....Must....watch...Michael...*acts hypnotized* :lmao: :lmao: "Must... pause-rewind-slowmotion-pause-rewind-slowmotion-pause-rewind-slowmotion...." :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I wonder if Michael ever keeps watching all these footage he has from concerts and events and stuff. :lmao: That would be funny!! :lol: MJ: "Oooh, I think I wanna watch that footage of the fans from *insert city/event/concert/whatever name here*..." :hysterical: :hysterical: And imagine you'd meet him and he'd be like "OOOH YOU'RE THE FAN WHO ACCIDENTALLY THREW ALL HER COLA ON HER FACE IN MUNICH BECAUSE IT WAS RAINING AND YOU TRIED TO GRAB YOUR UMBRELLA WHEN THE WIND WAS BLOWING IT AWAY BUT FORGOT YOU HAD A CUP OF COLA IN YOUR HAND SO YOU SPLASHED IT ALL ON YOUR FACE!!! THAT WAS SOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!! *MJ dying with laughter* I HAVE IT ON VIDEO!!!" :clapping:That would be TOOO funny!!! :hysterical: :hysterical: (And true story, by the way...about the coca cola...:lol: Sad...I know! :lmao: I told ya...I am BLONDE!!! :tease:) :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

And yeah...MJ singing Heaven Can Wait...sooooo cute!! And I can't believe I was THERE....and I didn't WATCH him! :doh::doh::doh: :lol:

[Coy]

I bet, he has his share of laughs over fan behavior, on tape or otherwise.
That coke/umbrella story cracked me up :hysterical: I would love to have seen it.

Wait, you weren't watching?! Did you have another coke 'incident'?? :cheeky:
Are we getting off track?

[laurenjayne]

^^ lol at the coke story :hysterical:

[summer]

I bet, he has his share of laughs over fan behavior, on tape or otherwise.
That coke/umbrella story cracked me up :hysterical: I would love to have seen it.

Wait, you weren't watching?! Did you have another coke 'incident'?? :cheeky:
Are we getting off track?

Well, I bet I at least offered PLENTY of opportunities to DIE LAUGHING in Munich if he happned to be watching! :hysterical: Oooh my god, I was such a BLONDE in Munich!!! :doh: :lmao: ...Not only did I splash my whole cola on my face...I also "discovered" that I have "two hands" in Munich. :doh:(Long story...I posted it in the "Your gift to MJ" thread. Edit: I just checked...and it wasn't on that thread...well, SOMEWHERE on this board anyways..:lol:) :lmao: :lmao: And then my friend and I eating these colorful car shaped lollipops and "driving" them in the air and making them "crash" and then also discovering they actually color your tongue too and then cheking each others tongues out to make sure....:doh: :lmao: And so on and so on....I'm telling you...Munich was a 24/7 comedy show on my part!!! :tease::lmao: :lmao: :lmao: But it was FUN!!!!!!! Ah...the MEMORIES!!! *daydreaming :wub::wub::wub::wub: :lol:

And about the cola/umberella thing...You see, it was raining...so I had my umbrella. And I had just bought two cups of cola for me and my friend. And we were standing on this fence thingy...and I was still holding both colas in my hands...left and right. And then the wind started pulling my umbrella away, so I tried to hold it first by squeezing it betwen my shoulder and neck...but then there was this strong wind that tore my umbrella, so as a "reflex"...I tried to grab it...but I had teh damn cola in my hand, so I just SPLASHED it on my face. Just like how they do in the movies when someone throws a drink on someone's face. OMG; it was SUCH a "Kodak moment"!! :lol: I just had to laugh at it. So then I gave the full cup to my friend...and I had no cola left. Awesome. :lmao: Oh...and I spilled candle wax on my jacket too when I was "getting too much into line dancing". :smilerolleyes: A fan taught me a few steps...and the clown that I am, I had to start exaggerating and clowning around while holding a candle in my hand...and so I had white candle wax all over my jacket. :doh: (And I was like "With my luck...I'll get to meet MJ now...when I am soaked from rain...have coca cola all over my face and hair...and candle wax on my jacket. "HI Michael...I'm summer!! Don't I look beeeeeautiful!!!" :puke: :lmao:) I'm telling you...I'm quite entertaining in real life...:tease::clapping::doh: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

And yeah...I didn't watch Michael. I mean, I did during the breaks, but not during the performances. I think I must have damaged my brain or something at the demo...:doh: :lol: "Another COKE incident"...ooooh Lord!! :smilerolleyes: :lol: :lol: No..I think I'm just a bit "retarded". :smilerolleyes: :doh: :tease::lmao: :lmao: :rofl::rofl: But hey...at least I have him on video now...so I can STARE at him without making him feel uncomfortable. :lol: Aren't I sweet! :lol:)

And yes...I think we are TOTALLY getting sidetracked here...so....uhm...WHERE were we?? :lol: ALLFORMJ...SAVE US!! :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

All I first saw Splashed..Face and coke...Buahahahaha that's so funny!!:D :hysterical:

[Coy]

:hysterical::hysterical: Priceless..

[BPYTD]

OK. Here it is, as far-fetched and confusing as it may be. Hope this hasn’t been spoken about already
So listening to the Dangerous album I think it implies that there were two women in Michael’s life that meant a great deal to him. (Not so say that’s all it’s been either) One that wasn’t right for him and one that was.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/ /><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Cambria>I think ‘She Drives Me Wild’ is saying that he found someone he found interesting and was instantly attracted to them. And then again listening to ‘In The Closet’. It’s like the girl was seducing him. Not necessarily in a sexual way but the girl made him think she loved him, however Mike wanted to keep it quiet b/c of the other girl that he cares about. B/c he knows that she cares about him (but I think they’re just friends) hence him wanting to keep it in the closet. <o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Cambria>I think Mike chose the other girl the one that wasn’t right for him b/c he was confusing lust for love which I believe is expressed in ‘Give into Me’ they’re were strong feelings btw the two lots of chemistry e.g. “Give into the fire” “give into the feeling”. So he felt he was falling in love but it was more lust/confusion and infatuation. I think ‘who is it’ is a reference to both the women and his loneliness once he lost both of them and who is it as in which one does/did he TRULY love. Which I think is why he had songs like SIM in HIStory, b/c of his loneliness as a result of his loss of love. In ‘Who is it’. He tells us that he fell for the wrong girl and she wasted his time and just wanted his money. And then the line “I am the agony inside the dying head” is a reference to girl who got her heart broken when MJ chose the other girl over her. i.e her thoughts of him is hurting her. The line “the will has brought no fortune” Will could mean from a deceased person (what someone leaves after death). I.e the relationship that was bad for his is over/dead but after its end he’s still found no happiness. I think this song was him going through denial when he first broke up with the (bad) girl.<o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Cambria><o:p></o:p></FONT></P><P><FONT face=Cambria>And the reason he realised that he made a mistake was expressed in ‘Dangerous’. She tried to mess with the other girl who he also cares about. Basically I think that song sums up the whole story. He meets a girl who he was instantly attracted to. She manipulated him into thinking she cared, but used him for his money. He thought he loved her, but confused love for lust referenced in Give into and in the closet. But when she caused trouble and hurt the other girl, he finally woke up and realised he messed up and the girl was in fact bad for him and was only ever after his money. Now he wants the other girl who really cared about him back b/c he realises his mistake. And songs like Remember the time, ‘Will you be there’ and keep the faith “I know that keeping the faith means never giving up on love, but that power that loves has makes its right”. Is about him trying/wanting to get her back/forgiveness he wants to make things right with her again. Possibly referenced in whatever happens “Afraid what they've been doing’s not right” maybe they got together after but it didn’t feel the same b/c she’s still hurt. And “He's working day and night, thinks he'll make her happy”. He trying hard to prove that he loves her and please her but he doesn’t realise she doesn’t need him to try any harder She tried to explain, </o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
I think the (bad) girl is referenced again in later song such as ‘escape’ <o:p></o:p>
“I tried to share my life with someone I could love<o:p></o:p>
But games and money is all she ever thought of<o:p></o:p>
How could that be my fault when she gambled and lost?”<o:p></o:p>
And also in is it scary<o:p></o:p>
“And a coffin nearly open
Where a restless soul is pokin’”<o:p></o:p>
“’Cause the heart reveals the proof
Like a mirror reveals the truth
See the evil one is you”<o:p></o:p>
Ghosts <o:p></o:p>
“And who gave you the right to shake my baby she needs me”<o:p></o:p>
“you put a knife in my back
Shot an arrow in me” <o:p></o:p>
i.e. arrows could mean as in cupid arrow, that she tried to get him to fall in love with her but bad intentions were always in her heart<o:p></o:p>
Tell me are you the ghost of jealousy” <o:p></o:p>
I.e. Girl could have been jealous of the relationship he had with the other girl so used him to hurt both him and the girl.<o:p></o:p>
Maybe <o:p></o:p>
Heartbreaker, Money etc.<o:p></o:p>
I think HIStory is then time when he felt lonely and she wasn’t ready to forgive him, and invincible either she forgave/is forgiving him or he found someone else and got his one more chance at love<o:p></o:p>
In the end it doesn’t have to literally mean that it was another woman, maybe his career got in the way etc and that hurt the girl.<o:p></o:p>
So did that even make any sense? lol<o:p></o:p>

[TialovesMJ]

Thanks for sharing..:clap: good job. It made perfect sense to me!!:yes:

You should share more often :D

[AllForMJ]

Nice read, BPYTD!
:flowers:

[AllForMJ]

It just hit me when I was reading the MJ50 forum about the "King Of Pop" album releases all around the world....See...I was right! :hysterical: Michael let's the FANS choose the songs...that way we can't speculate if theer was some hidden message on the album, because he didn't choose the songs. ;D See....all that happened "Sooner than you think!". :fortuneteller: Ha! ;D :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical:
Ya know? You may be on to something here, summer!!

MJ probably ready this thread, called his people and said, "Hey guys, I was just over at MJJC paying it a visit and came across this thread called, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued) and ummmm they got me all twisted. Can you guys please come up with something so I can get around this? Thanks. Oh, and call me to let me know what you all came up with, okay? Bye."

*MJ grumbling* "Doggone chicks always wannbe be startin' somethin'!"

:lol:

[TialovesMJ]

Ya know? You may be on to something here, summer!!

MJ probably ready this thread, called his people and said, "Hey guys, I was just over at MJJC paying it a visit and came across this thread called, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued) and ummmm they got me all twisted. Can you guys please come up with something so I can get around this? Thanks. Oh, and call me to let me know what you all came up with, okay? Bye."

*MJ grumbling* "Doggone chicks always wannbe be startin' somethin'!"

:lol:



Hahaha :hysterical::lmao: I can imagine that :lol:

[AllForMJ]

And yes...I think we are TOTALLY getting sidetracked here...so....uhm...WHERE were we?? :lol: ALLFORMJ...SAVE US!! :lol:
Save you? WITH WHAT?!! You guys are at the point of NO RETURN!!!
:lol: :rofl:

[laurenjayne]

i bet its a hell of a laugh going to a concert with you summer :hysterical:

[Magicgirl]

here's some more videos to this thread I found on youtube:

Someone In The Dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GYsRC-7_S0


Someone Put Your Hand Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiQt7A4m7Q

[BPYTD]

Thanks for sharing..:clap: good job. It made perfect sense to me!!:yes:

You should share more often :D
Thank you


Nice read, BPYTD!
:flowers:
Thank you too lol



*MJ grumbling* "Doggone chicks always wannbe be startin' somethin'!"

:lol:
LOOOOOL. Diddydadadum, yeah, yeah

[Magicgirl]

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1567541

here are some more links to songs I've posted to help you develop your theory

[LindaC781]

Ya know? You may be on to something here, summer!!

MJ probably ready this thread, called his people and said, "Hey guys, I was just over at MJJC paying it a visit and came across this thread called, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued) and ummmm they got me all twisted. Can you guys please come up with something so I can get around this? Thanks. Oh, and call me to let me know what you all came up with, okay? Bye."

*MJ grumbling* "Doggone chicks always wannbe be startin' somethin'!"

:lol:

LOL!! Aint that the TRUTH!!

[Ohood]

I love this thread :jump1:

[MJzPrincess1982]

sooo interesting, this song is! :|

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dlR7e6oPeEQ

[TialovesMJ]

aww its unavailable!!

[MJzPrincess1982]

try again ;)

[TialovesMJ]

Thanks, yeah now its working....:)

[AllForMJ]

Regarding MJ's new life …

His first two marriages were fast-moving and also took place in the midst of pandemonium. His next one will not be facing any of that. It seems like this time...based on how his relationship with his friend seems to be forming...which is very slowly...his third marriage is going to be much different. It's going to be different because it will be happening after he's finally had a chance to take the bull by the horns (i.e., post-pandemonium). It's also going to be happening after he's had a chance to clean house and rid his life of those that were trying to destroy him for monetary gain.

Rising above difficulty brings about peace of mind and that's exactly what he needed to feel good about his life again. He needed an opportunity to feel good about his own life before trying to bring it together with someone else’s. Now that the rein of his life is back in his hands, he can control it better and steer it where he wants it to go instead of where all those other people were selfishly leading him. This type of control gives him a chance to focus on his love life as well as his career.

Another reason why it seems like his next marriage will have an excellent chance to blossom is because he and his lady friend already know how to make it through difficult times. They already did it. It's apparent because he was singing about her before, during and after the trial of '03 - '05.

It seems like it is very quiet right now because things are being laid out to go in a new direction. It’s like things had been spinning at top speed counterclockwise for so long that many never thought it would one day slow to a stop. Well, it seems like we are at that moment right now where the spinning is stopping for a while and like it will soon start going the other way and picking up momentum. Michael is the one that got it to stop. Now, we’re waiting for him to push it the other way.

The new direction will involve having a happier home life and career and trying to keep it balanced.

:yes:

[TialovesMJ]

So you think that he has known her for a long time or awhile, but before, during and after the trial she was there for him, supporting him.. Interesting indeed :D

[AllForMJ]

The only time that he really seems to act vivacious is when there is someone around that he has feelings for. If you look back at when he had his girl friends on up to his first wife you'll notice. Guess he just loves being bitten by the love bug. lol

[TialovesMJ]

ohhhhh Yes, I have noticed that. haha yes he sure does :D

[Sdeidjs]

Regarding MJ's new life …

His first two marriages were fast-moving and also took place in the midst of pandemonium. His next one will not be facing any of that. It seems like this time...based on how his relationship with his friend seems to be forming...which is very slowly...his third marriage is going to be much different. It's going to be different because it will be happening after he's finally had a chance to take the bull by the horns (i.e., post-pandemonium). It's also going to be happening after he's had a chance to clean house and rid his life of those that were trying to destroy him for monetary gain.

Rising above difficulty brings about peace of mind and that's exactly what he needed to feel good about his life again. He needed an opportunity to feel good about his own life before trying to bring it together with someone else’s. Now that the rein of his life is back in his hands, he can control it better and steer it where he wants it to go instead of where all those other people were selfishly leading him. This type of control gives him a chance to focus on his love life as well as his career.

Another reason why it seems like his next marriage will have an excellent chance to blossom is because he and his lady friend already know how to make it through difficult times. They already did it. It's apparent because he was singing about her before, during and after the trial of '03 - '05.

It seems like it is very quiet right now because things are being laid out to go in a new direction. It’s like things had been spinning at top speed counterclockwise for so long that many never thought it would one day slow to a stop. Well, it seems like we are at that moment right now where the spinning is stopping for a while and like it will soon start going the other way and picking up momentum. Michael is the one that got it to stop. Now, we’re waiting for him to push it the other way.

The new direction will involve having a happier home life and career and trying to keep it balanced.

:yes:

I think love has always been there for Mr.Jackson...he has known her/about her for a very long time, and I think he knows she has been there 1000% for HIM way before, during, and after their trials, tribulations, through all doubts, and frustrations...

Intreguing indeed,,,

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[Sdeidjs]

The only time that he really seems to act vivacious is when there is someone around that he has feelings for. If you look back at when he had his girl friends on up to his first wife you'll notice. Guess he just loves being bitten by the love bug. lol

Don't we all...Smiles~~~

HEAL THE WORLD~~~"Education Is The Key"

[SoS]

Interesting that you all are in this part of the conversation because on my way home I was thinking of you guyz in this thread because when I arrived at the workplace today, there was an R & B song playing (there is usually classical music playing) - it was, I Want You Back which was the very first hit by The Jackson Five, and as I entered the area, the part of the song that was on, was the part where it says, "oh baby give me one more chance, to show you that I love you" which reminded me of the fact that a song on the very next J-5 album was called, One More Chance, where there's a line in it which says, "everybody loves a star, when he's on the top, but no one ever comes around when he starts to drop, but you were someone special, you stuck through thick and thin" (which is what you guyz have been talking about here lately)

- then I thought of the new song, One More Chance where he's talking about having "one more chance at love" (obviously with someone already familiar unlike what some suggests, because the line does state: "this time I'm gonna do my best to make it right, can't go on without you by my side" - and - "if you see her, tell her this for me"

- then I realized its an interesting coincidence that the very first hit MJ recorded was about OMC and the very last song MJ recorded before the trial was OMC.

Now; do I feel that is significant to the mystical story unfolding in this thread? :unsure:well .... not necessarily

:lol: - or - of course it is,

..for sure it struck me as one of those things that makes y' go :brow:

so,


:brow:


:giggle: just couldn't see not sharing that

:unsure:

[MJzPrincess1982]

and this one....... total EEK :unsure:!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7rOaJweck

Listen to it!!!

[MJzPrincess1982]

is anyone listening to the songs i'm posting .. you might wanna :)

[AllForMJ]

- then I realized its an interesting coincidence that the very first hit MJ recorded was about OMC and the very last song MJ recorded before the trial was OMC.

Now; do I feel that is significant to the mystical story unfolding in this thread? :unsure:well .... not necessarily

:lol: - or - of course it is,

..for sure it struck me as one of those things that makes y' go :brow:

so,


:brow:


:giggle: just couldn't see not sharing that

:unsure:Since God is helping MJ to start his life over this coincidence falls in place perfectly. You know the Lord does work in mysterious ways.

MJ was singing the words "one more chance" while coming out of the musical starting gate for the first time at the start of his career. Now, he's coming out of the musical starting again with his new life, but this time he was singing the words "one more chance" beforehand. It works. That's how it happened...guess that's how God wanted it to go. lol That's a very realistic coincidence.

MJ wasn't expecting his life to start over after recording "One More Chance" in 2003. He didn't even know he was about to go through the legal system. He thought he was going to be putting out a new video.

I guess God said, "You're going to put out more than a new video. You're going to put out a whole new life."

Having one more chance with her as well really seems to be on his mind right now. It also came up in "Fly Girl" which MJzPrincess1982 pointed out is the song that was playing while he and Will.i.am were in the recording studio talking to Access Hollywood. It came up twice in this song.

First half of "Fly Girl"


Now you see it takes two
Two time's a charm
And this time around
We're gonna form a strong bond

Second half of "Fly Girl"


All we need is trust
And just another chance
A little bit of luck
And romance to advance

If he's saying two time's a charm and they just need another chance then this is another way of saying "one more chance" as well. He seriously wants one more chance, huh?
:yes:

This sounds like it could lead up to a fairytale type wedding...

In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" he says:

I'll be your story hero

In "Fly Girl" there a line that says:

I'll be your knight in shining

In "Fly Girl" there's also this line that says:

Together we can bring a happy ending to this story

And here's something else that's sweet....

In "Hold My Hand" there's a part that says:

The nights are getting darker and there's no peace inside
So why make our lives harder by fighting love tonight

In "Fly Girl" there's a part that says:

Love is complicated only when you fight it
Love is at its greatest when you touch it like Midas
So, he doesn't want to resist it, he wants to go with it.

Michael is sooooo romantic! He's really got it goin' on in the romantic department! *sigh* :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

He sure does...:wub:

[AllForMJ]

and this one....... total EEK :unsure:!!

Listen to it!!!
There really seems to be something about love and light in the dark. I'll show you but I gotta find it first.

[friend]

Interesting that you all are in this part of the conversation because on my way home I was thinking of you guyz in this thread because when I arrived at the workplace today, there was an R & B song playing (there is usually classical music playing) - it was, I Want You Back which was the very first hit by The Jackson Five, and as I entered the area, the part of the song that was on, was the part where it says, "oh baby give me one more chance, to show you that I love you" which reminded me of the fact that a song on the very next J-5 album was called, One More Chance, where there's a line in it which says, "everybody loves a star, when he's on the top, but no one ever comes around when he starts to drop, but you were someone special, you stuck through thick and thin" (which is what you guyz have been talking about here lately)

- then I thought of the new song, One More Chance where he's talking about having "one more chance at love" (obviously with someone already familiar unlike what some suggests, because the line does state: "this time I'm gonna do my best to make it right, can't go on without you by my side" - and - "if you see her, tell her this for me"

- then I realized its an interesting coincidence that the very first hit MJ recorded was about OMC and the very last song MJ recorded before the trial was OMC.

Now; do I feel that is significant to the mystical story unfolding in this thread? :unsure:well .... not necessarily

:lol: - or - of course it is,

..for sure it struck me as one of those things that makes y' go :brow:

so,


:brow:


:giggle: just couldn't see not sharing that

:unsure:

so you think he's referring to someone who he knew when he was little? and they've been doing this dance for quite some time then?

[AllForMJ]

Interesting that you all are in this part of the conversation because on my way home I was thinking of you guyz in this thread because when I arrived at the workplace today, there was an R & B song playing (there is usually classical music playing) - it was, I Want You Back which was the very first hit by The Jackson Five, and as I entered the area, the part of the song that was on, was the part where it says, "oh baby give me one more chance, to show you that I love you" which reminded me of the fact that a song on the very next J-5 album was called, One More Chance, where there's a line in it which says, "everybody loves a star, when he's on the top, but no one ever comes around when he starts to drop, but you were someone special, you stuck through thick and thin" (which is what you guyz have been talking about here lately)

so you think he's referring to someone who he knew when he was little? and they've been doing this dance for quite some time then?
MJ was a rising star when he was a little kid. He was a man when he said "Swift and sudden fall from grace" in the song "Stranger In Moscow." By the time he had released "Stranger in Moscow" in 1995, he had already been through various girlfriends and was in his first marriage. He has now been through two marriages, plus a period of deep sorrow. He was too young to be in serious relationships when he recorded the very first song called “One More Chance.”

When Geraldo asked him about true blue friends—which MJ referred to as the faithful—MJ told Geraldo he wouldn’t know them. Therefore, the "One More Chance" that he recorded in 2003 is about someone unknown to the public but someone that he’s very much familiar with as pointed out here:

"Fall Again"
I wanna fall with you again
Like we did when we first met

"The Way You Love Me"
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* I thank the heavens above that I met you

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

"The Girl Is Mine 2008"
Every night she walks right in my dreams
Since I met her from the start

StateofShock is pointing out that there is a "One More Chance" from the early years and a "One More Chance" in the present day and that the first one has a line that fits into MJ's life.

Also, notice that all of the above listed songs were released well after Bashir had asked him if he had someone that he liked and MJ answered him by saying, "I haven't met her yet." Things seem to have changed a lot since then. He's now released several songs where he's saying he's met her and he's been acting much happier too.

[LindaC781]

OMG (slapping myself upside the head) this thread is SO addicting...

[TialovesMJ]

hmmm interesting........................

[AllForMJ]

OMG (slapping myself upside the head) this thread is SO addicting...
Hahahahaha :lol:

[AllForMJ]

I think this part of "Fly Girl" is pretty interesting...

The sun ain't shining, shining when you're gone
All I get is rain
All I get is storms
'Cause it's nothin' I can do
And nothin' I can say
'Cause I know I coulda, woulda, shoulda asked you to stay
Stay with me for life
Make you my wife
But my ego had me blinded
And I couldn't see the light
This shows he had a chance before but didn't act on it. Now that she's been there for him during tough times, he's having a change of heart.

[LindaC781]

Hahahahaha :lol:

You laugh!! I swear, I tell myself "don't look" ...but I come right back here TIME and TIME again!! AARRGGHH!! LOL!

[summer]

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

.

I still can't get over the "I met her ON A WALKWAY" thing..............:swoon: :hysterical: It just kind of cracks me up now when ever I see it on this thread somewhere. "Streetwalking, baby"...:unsure::bugeyed:swoon: :hysterical: :hysterical:


OMG (slapping myself upside the head) this thread is SO addicting...

:lmao: :lmao: Linda you're so funny. You always crack me up! :lol: I can totally imagine you getting slapped by a "Ghost"...just like in the movie. :lmao: :lmao: But you're right...this thread is too much...! Must...come...here...and...read....:cheers:

[AllForMJ]

You laugh!! I swear, I tell myself "don't look" ...but I come right back here TIME and TIME again!! AARRGGHH!! LOL!
And Hahahahaha again! :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

I think this part of "Fly Girl" is pretty interesting...

This shows he had a chance before but didn't act on it. Now that she's been there for him during tough times, he's having a change of heart.



I wonder why he never took that chance the first time....

[AllForMJ]

I wonder why he never took that chance the first time....
Probably just wasn't the right time. Look at all the records that he shattered. He was moving extremely fast. It takes a lot of dedication to do what he's done. No one would have been able to keep up with him anyway while he was busy making history. To do what he's done, he would need all of his space.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ true :yes:

[DMGJACKSON]

In 2007 michael ,made some memorial personal appearance (Japan fan event,accepted an award at Japan music awards show,visits book store )etc...
He released one or two press releash's he seemed to be In a happier place as things started to pick up In his life ,then came 3 major moments of last year '' vogue ,Ebony,Jet magazine ('s) photo shoots ... On the cover and Inside spread of those mag's you can see his light shining bright again ,his playfulness comes through ,love and a sense of sereness about him ,,yes 2007 Is when I noticed michael started looking happier or at least pleased at how things were forming out that year...

[TialovesMJ]

Isn't it good to see him like this??:D

[AllForMJ]

Yes! It sure is!

It's like the things in his life that makes him who he is are starting to line up again and he can feel it happening.

It also seems like even if he and his friend are not together the way he'd like them to be he is happy just having her around. I don't think all future love songs will be about her, but it's nice hearing the ones that are. It's nice hearing him serenade. In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" that's what he said he would do. Looks like he's kept his word.

[SoS]

MJ was a rising star when he was a little kid. He was a man when he said "Swift and sudden fall from grace" in the song "Stranger In Moscow." By the time he had released "Stranger in Moscow" in 1995, he had already been through various girlfriends and was in his first marriage. He has now been through two marriages, plus a period of deep sorrow. He was too young to be in serious relationships when he recorded the very first song called “One More Chance.”

When Geraldo asked him about true blue friends—which MJ referred to as the faithful—MJ told Geraldo he wouldn’t know them. Therefore, the "One More Chance" that he recorded in 2003 is about someone unknown to the public but someone that he’s very much familiar with as pointed out here:

"Fall Again"
I wanna fall with you again
Like we did when we first met

"The Way You Love Me"
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* I thank the heavens above that I met you

"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008"
I met her on a walkway

"The Girl Is Mine 2008"
Every night she walks right in my dreams
Since I met her from the start

StateofShock is pointing out that there is a "One More Chance" from the early years and a "One More Chance" in the present day and that the first one has a line that fits into MJ's life.

Also, notice that all of the above listed songs were released well after Bashir had asked him if he had someone that he liked and MJ answered him by saying, "I haven't met her yet." Things seem to have changed a lot since then. He's now released several songs where he's saying he's met her and he's been acting much happier too.

^ :yes: thanks for pointing out/clarifying what I was saying - the point being, how things line up by seeming coincidence (which is defined by some as God's way of remaining anonymous lol)

btw - when Bashir asked MJ that question, MJ's words were actually, 'I haven't found one yet', (and if you'll notice it does seem as though he is choosing his words carefully as he also gets Bashir out of his bizz LOL) and, it seems to me that actually, his choice of words ironically fit even more within the theme of all this :giggle: and with the lyrics, "searching for that one ..." :giggle: this is somethnn else and so are you AllforMJ :lol: to even have us all on this train of thought and how so far it 'lines up'. Again, I do hope MJ won't/doesn't mind us towing the line here until his new jams come out - something fun for fans to do with his music in the meanwhile...




You laugh!! I swear, I tell myself "don't look" ...but I come right back here TIME and TIME again!! AARRGGHH!! LOL!

:no: :lol: you're so NOT alone

[AllForMJ]

There always seems to be something that can be added to the thread. :lol: It just seems to pop into your head from nowhere, huh? Snap, crackle and POP!!! There it is!! That's how it works!!!
:lol:

[AllForMJ]

btw - when Bashir asked MJ that question, MJ's words were actually, 'I haven't found one yet', (and if you'll notice it does seem as though he is choosing his words carefully as he also gets Bashir out of his bizz LOL) and, it seems to me that actually, his choice of words ironically fit even more within the theme of all this :giggle: and with the lyrics, "searching for that one ..."
Hey, yeahhhhhh. He did say "one." And it does fall right in place with that line in "One More Chance." "Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole." In other words, searching for "his other half." And that word "mysteries" really adds to the fun. Where there are mysteries, there are "clues."

His clues are lovely. :wub:

[Ape]

I wonder why he never took that chance the first time....
It does say that his ego got in the way, in the lyrics that were quoted. If that is the case then maybe he just thought she'd be around forever and he'd have all the time in the world to decide if he wanted to pursue her or not, or when, since it has probably been that way for him in the past that women would get caught up in him and just stick around waiting for him, but maybe she wasn't going to wait around for him. Then maybe once he had possibly lost her he saw that he should take a chance on her before it's too late again.

Yes! It sure is!

It's like the things in his life that makes him who he is are starting to line up again and he can feel it happening.

It also seems like even if he and his friend are not together the way he'd like them to be he is happy just having her around. I don't think all future love songs will be about her, but it's nice hearing the ones that are. It's nice hearing him serenade. In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" that's what he said he would do. Looks like he's kept his word.

I was just wondering how you can tell how he looks like he is feeling when we never see him (ok not never, but rarely). What do you base it on?

Also I wonder if she is the one, why wouldn't the future love songs be about her? Or am I just misunderstanding you here?

[AllForMJ]

I was just wondering how you can tell how he looks like he is feeling when we never see him (ok not never, but rarely). What do you base it on?
I’m basing it on my own observation from being a fan for close to 40 years. I watched him grow up while I myself was growing up. My family have every album from the start of his career. I'm talking about music on vinyl. We never missed him when he was on television—saw all the Variety Shows, TV specials, special television guest appearances. The time that he was a guest on the Dating Game—that many are now watching on YouTube these days—I remember actually seeing it when it aired. When The Wiz originally came out I saw it at a movie theater. A group of teachers took us on a field trip to see it. The night that he first did the moon walk, I was watching Motown 25. Everybody was talking about it at school the next day. And of course I saw all of his videos when they premiered.

I’ve had a chance to see him on stage, as well as off stage. I saw him while he was with his brothers several hours before concert time. They were staying at a hotel where one of my relatives worked. She called me and told me what time they were arriving. I got a chance to go to the concert that night because their road manager gave her a pair of tickets. She gave them to me.

I got a chance to see him in person again when he came back by himself to promote his album. This is when I got a chance to see him using his decoy so he can slip indoors to start his autograph signing session. It almost felt like a magic trick because they do it so quickly. When some of the fans got out of line to run up to the decoy, he was already inside the building.

I’ve had a chance to see him as MJ the superstar, MJ the warm and friendly; MJ the very caring and trusting; and MJ the extremely shy—all in person with my own eyes. I’ve actually heard him speak in that whisper that people write about. He was speaking that way while he was talking to me. I was barely able to hear him.

When you read lyrics where he says he doesn't know what to say, he truly means that. He doesn't know what to say. He will sit in total silence if you don't take the lead and talk to him first.

I’ve been pretty lucky and it's been a pretty amazing ride. I never expected to see him from so many different angles. You'd be surprised to find out how sweet and down to earth he is. He is truly sweet and down to earth. He's very nice.

I was never the type that covered my walls with pictures of him or that bought every magazine that had him on the cover. The only picture I placed on my wall was the one he signed. I didn't even ask him for it. It was just given to me and I've kept it ever since. I haven't read any books about him. Watching him for so long, listening to him over the years and meeting him a few times has given me a good sense of what type of person he is. He's cool.

During the above time period he was always upbeat. It wasn't until his path crossed with the Chandlers that he started slowly slipping into a depression.

The main reason why I've been buying all of his latest music is not just because I love having it, but also because I've been trying to get a feel of when he was starting to bounce back. When you've had a chance to watch him most of his life and listen to him, you can pretty much tell when he's happy and when he's not.

Luckily, he's come out of that depression. He kicked it to the curb.

Also I wonder if she is the one, why wouldn't the future love songs be about her? Or am I just misunderstanding you here?
It just doesn't seem like something he would do. He's never been the type to settle into a routine when it comes to his music. He always switches things up so you don't know what's coming. If he were to keep singing songs that are only about her, it would become repetitive. Plus, it seems like he would move on to other things if he's actually with her. He's never put out a song like "Beautiful Girl." I've never heard him sound like that before. It was so obvious that he was in love when he did it. I'm just happy to see him happy and waiting to see what he'll do next.

One other thing. The way that I found out that he is very spiritual is from feeling his aura for myself. It is very strong. You feel it before you even see him. It's even stronger when you're next to him. Only someone that is very spiritual and in tune will have that, but I've never felt it come from anyone as strongly as it comes from MJ.

[Moddie777]

AllforMJ, I really loved reading your post. Beautiful. But I feel Michael has revealed to us he was deeply depressed before the Chandlers arrived in his life. The song and short film, "Who is it", captures his pain, torment and agony in a very profound way. Michael's dispair can be heard in the music which is why the song is so unforgetably haunting and very powerful.

As for the "clues" you guys spoke of in earlier post, I'm sure many can be found in the short film of "who is it", which is far beyound my level of thought, lol. But things thats obvious, in that particular short film, Michael has revealed; There were others involved in the dismantling
and separation of he and this woman at least from his prospective.

If anything the Chandlers sent him further in the darkness of his own pain.

[AllForMJ]

Moddie, I feel you on "Who Is It." That's why I've referred to this one particular songs many times in the thread. Someone hurt him deeply. She really hurt him bad. And yes, what the Chandlers did just magnified it.

Thank God MJ is a true believer. His total belief in God is the only thing that has kept him standing.

I also want to add that I am very proud of him for the way that he handled himself during the trial. I also loved the way that he had the words "The Power Is In Believing" flash on the screen before letting visitors know the theme of his site was "A New Beginning."

[Ape]

Thank you so much for sharing your story AllforMJ. I loved reading it. I never grew up as a fan, however I was still touched by him in some ways when I look back on my life, like when I was just a little girl and we all held hands for an assembly at school in the yard and sang "We Are The World". I remember coming to the realization that, though I was just a child, I could make a big difference in the world. It was like a light bulb went off in my head while we were all there singing.

I did miss out on the things you describe though and needed to see it from your point of view to really understand how you could see he is happy, and also what brought you to that conclusion. I've only seen him in this time you've said he is happier. I missed the pre-Bashir unhappy times. I came around after the rebuttal so that's all I have to compare with. Again, I really enjoyed your post :) it was wonderful to read.

[AllForMJ]

Thanks Ape. It's been wonderful being a fan. He's a sweetheart. He's gotten his bumps and bruises along with way, but he doesn't let anyone stop him from believing in better things. He keeps going. When you really think about it, there's no reason to stop believing in better things.

[Magicgirl]

We are talking about a man that has made it very clear to the world that he is lonely. He wants what he wants. He wants true love. Whatever true love to him may be. He has a list of what he wants in this person just like most people do. We can't fault him for it or pass it off as fantasy. He knows what he needs, he knows what he wants and if he feels it is obtainable then we are not to say that it isn't. We don't even know what's on his list. But lately, it seems like he's been checking some of those things off.

If he's starting to check off some of those qualities in someone that he has his eye on, then we have to step back and let him. Some songs are just songs, but some songs mean something to him.

There are some things that he mentions often in his songs and I think those are the things that matter to him. He wants someone to touch his soul without hurting it. If he loves deeply, he will also hurt deeply. That's probably why he tries to refrain from giving his heart to anyone.

But at the same time, he's got to take that chance or a life of living lonely will not end. Those tears that were flowing were not due to some fantasy. They were flowing due to something that he was lacking in his life. He's never been the type to beat around the bush when it comes to something that he wants.

Ok, I've got your point. I guess some women had these qualities like Liz Taylor, only the age didn't quite fit. I guess it's difficult to find those qualities in person nowadays as it seems the older generation of our grandma's and grandpa's had it and now they are mostly lost as modern morals of the modern generation, views and attitudes got so much different. I was thinking of the present celebrities who are single that might fit MJ and noone gets into my mind. I guess he is searching for someone who is in behavior and attitudes is somehow old-fashioned and rare, I was touched with the speech of Liz when she introduced him at some event, he needs to find some unique creative person like Liz or Diana and everything will be ok. For the case that MJ comes here... Michael, just follow your dreams or goals and do not settle for less being disattracted with the endless number of women that want you but do not really understand you or are not like you. Then all the fans will be happy for you.

[LindaC781]

I’m basing it on my own observation from being a fan for close to 40 years. I watched him grow up while I myself was growing up. My family have every album from the start of his career. I'm talking about music on vinyl. We never missed him when he was on television—saw all the Variety Shows, TV specials, special television guest appearances. The time that he was a guest on the Dating Game—that many are now watching on YouTube these days—I remember actually seeing it when it aired. When The Wiz originally came out I saw it at a movie theater. A group of teachers took us on a field trip to see it. The night that he first did the moon walk, I was watching Motown 25. Everybody was talking about it at school the next day. And of course I saw all of his videos when they premiered.

I’ve had a chance to see him on stage, as well as off stage. I saw him while he was with his brothers several hours before concert time. They were staying at a hotel where one of my relatives worked. She called me and told me what time they were arriving. I got a chance to go to the concert that night because their road manager gave her a pair of tickets. She gave them to me.

I got a chance to see him in person again when he came back by himself to promote his album. This is when I got a chance to see him using his decoy so he can slip indoors to start his autograph signing session. It almost felt like a magic trick because they do it so quickly. When some of the fans got out of line to run up to the decoy, he was already inside the building.

I’ve had a chance to see him as MJ the superstar, MJ the warm and friendly; MJ the very caring and trusting; and MJ the extremely shy—all in person with my own eyes. I’ve actually heard him speak in that whisper that people write about. He was speaking that way while he was talking to me. I was barely able to hear him.

When you read lyrics where he says he doesn't know what to say, he truly means that. He doesn't know what to say. He will sit in total silence if you don't take the lead and talk to him first.

I’ve been pretty lucky and it's been a pretty amazing ride. I never expected to see him from so many different angles. You'd be surprised to find out how sweet and down to earth he is. He is truly sweet and down to earth. He's very nice.

I was never the type that covered my walls with pictures of him or that bought every magazine that had him on the cover. The only picture I placed on my wall was the one he signed. I didn't even ask him for it. It was just given to me and I've kept it ever since. I haven't read any books about him. Watching him for so long, listening to him over the years and meeting him a few times has given me a good sense of what type of person he is. He's cool.

During the above time period he was always upbeat. It wasn't until his path crossed with the Chandlers that he started slowly slipping into a depression.

The main reason why I've been buying all of his latest music is not just because I love having it, but also because I've been trying to get a feel of when he was starting to bounce back. When you've had a chance to watch him most of his life and listen to him, you can pretty much tell when he's happy and when he's not.

Luckily, he's come out of that depression. He kicked it to the curb.

It just doesn't seem like something he would do. He's never been the type to settle into a routine when it comes to his music. He always switches things up so you don't know what's coming. If he were to keep singing songs that are only about her, it would become repetitive. Plus, it seems like he would move on to other things if he's actually with her. He's never put out a song like "Beautiful Girl." I've never heard him sound like that before. It was so obvious that he was in love when he did it. I'm just happy to see him happy and waiting to see what he'll do next.

One other thing. The way that I found out that he is very spiritual is from feeling his aura for myself. It is very strong. You feel it before you even see him. It's even stronger when you're next to him. Only someone that is very spiritual and in tune will have that, but I've never felt it come from anyone as strongly as it comes from MJ.

I can so relate to all from your post Allfor. I just never was lucky enough to meet the man in person..but I have grown up with him too. I have seen him go from a precocious and very talented young child to a handsome young man....and I have seen all of his growing as I grew. It is so great to see him out of that depression. I know what you are talking about. I have seen it too...

[SoS]

Luckily, he's come out of that depression. He kicked it to the curb. That is truly the most wonderful part of all.:yes:

Thanks for sharing your story AllforMJ. It was a great read and I feel you and Linda on growing up with the Jacksons. I feel blessed to have been a child along with MJ, adolescent, young adult, etc. Its been a great time to have been on earth in this age and I thank God for the blessing.

About the Who Is It video, way I see it, we have to remember the story was a fan created winner submitted for a contest for coming up with the most original, dramatic story, keeping in mind that contrary to what's been pointed out about "this woman's" value of money etc. from analyzing the music thus far, the primary point of the story in the Who Is It short film was a woman "SOLD OUT" - SOLD HER SOUL in fact. The other people in the video were doing what those types of people do - but the woman herself sold her SELF. She did that. She was not kidnapped or held at gun point. She was free to escape which she did - and RETURNED to sell her self some more.

Her "selling" of her SELF was what the story was about.

I feel it would be a mistake to focus too much on short films in this little 'hunt' we've got here and stick primarily with the music unless it is to acknowledge something obvious, is all I'm really saying :lol:

The other thing is the story in the video didn't mirror the song's lyrics. People don't notice that because of the dramatic value in the short film. The lyrics are saying its got to be somebody else, or why would she have left? A question many people ask when they've been suddenly left without anticipation of things ending, or any warning (everyone asks, who is it).

Similiar in a way to how the Billie Jean video didn't mirror the action in the song. I feel it would be a danger of getting off topic if we try and rely on videos for reference, again unless its to point out something that is not a matter of interpretation, but rather, only a matter of fact.

I said that to say that it seems to me that a big part of collecting "clues" is sifting through the drama for drama's sake because MJ is the KOD (king of drama lol) as much as being the king of so many other things - INCLUDING pop! :lol:

just a reminder :flowers:

After the 'sifter' is shaken and then shaken again, and again, what are we left with.

That (to me) is the question.

[AllForMJ]

I can so relate to all from your post Allfor. I just never was lucky enough to meet the man in person..but I have grown up with him too. I have seen him go from a precocious and very talented young child to a handsome young man....and I have seen all of his growing as I grew. It is so great to see him out of that depression. I know what you are talking about. I have seen it too...
Yes, I remember you saying that, Linda. It really is great to see him out of it, isn't it?

After giving his all for so many years and then going through public humiliation on a global scale the way that he did, it had to be excruciating as well as heartbreaking for him. He did not deserve to suffer like that. That’s what that lying, weight-swinging, deadbeat dad Evan Chandler deserved. Thank God MJ finally had a chance to fight back and hung in there until he won.


I said that to say that it seems to me that a big part of collecting "clues" is sifting through the drama for drama's sake because MJ is the KOD (king of drama lol) as much as being the king of so many other things - INCLUDING pop! :lol:

just a reminder :flowers:

After the 'sifter' is shaken and then shaken again, and again, what are we left with.

That (to me) is the question.
So far, we are left with someone that has come out the other side of the filter purified, stronger and wiser from many lessons learned. One of the best things that he's found out is that God does answer prayer and will come to your aid in great times of need when you trust Him with all your heart, mind and soul. He's also found out that love will strengthen a person from within when it's real.

Love in it's real form will also cause a professional recording artist such as himself to serenade for all to hear. Woo-hoo!

Soooo, the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

Man I can't wait to hear his album! It's gonna be gooooood!

[AllForMJ]

Also, all the lessons learned were not for him alone. Some were for him, some were for those that love him and some were for those that have been mistreating him.

There was something in it for everybody near and far.

[SoS]

^ very true!

[LindaC781]

I feel like I am too intrusive saying that I saw the depression, it was just so clear to me...especially during the MSG concert. I think he sometimes shows his heart on his sleeve. He is so sensitive....and I'd hate to have him get mad at us for speculating like this. I just stated what I observed. And I observe happiness now. And for that, I am glad.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ yes i agree on that he is very sensitive :yes:... I am glad too that he is showing happiness!!!

[DMGJACKSON]

Michael Is a Beautiful man that goes way beyond the exterior,with a smile that can lighten the darkest day ... I love he has Internal depth a deepness that touch's one's core... I love his thinking mind full of fruitfull Knowledge and Idea's *sighing*
And his witty humor ( sometimes un-beknowest to him ) keeps you chuckling In happy stitche's !!

* please forgive my off topicness * I felt compelled ...

[wendijane]

Michael Is a Beautiful man that goes way beyond the exterior,with a smile that can lighten the darkest day ... I love he has Internal depth a deepness that touch's one's core... I love his thinking mind full of fruitfull Knowledge and Idea's *sighing*
And his witty humor ( sometimes un-beknowest to him ) keeps you chuckling In happy stitche's !!

* please forgive my off topicness * I felt compelled ...


this is a completely beautiful expressed post :wub: the wording moves me .,
in fact they all are lovely posts .
this is the thread i love the most :yes:
i too , am glad to see that michael seems to be happy .

[AllForMJ]

I feel like I am too intrusive saying that I saw the depression, it was just so clear to me...especially during the MSG concert. I think he sometimes shows his heart on his sleeve. He is so sensitive....and I'd hate to have him get mad at us for speculating like this. I just stated what I observed. And I observe happiness now. And for that, I am glad.
Under regular circumstances, it isn't uncommon to feel like maybe you're intruding by saying you could tell someone is or was depressed, but we're talking about MJ. He is someone that grew up under a camera lense. He's been around many of us most of our lives. It's kind of hard to not notice. Also, to ignore this is almost like ignoring it while signs of it are coming from a family member.

Michael has been in our lives pratically every step of the way and for those that were actually babies born into the Michael Jackson era, he actually has been a part of their lives every step of the way. There are some fans on this very board that can look back at their lives from when they were toddlers and say they can't remember a time where Michael Jackson was not around.

And then there is this to keep in mind...

Michael himself has not been the type of person that ignores those going through pain and suffering. He's always been the type to lend a helping hand whenever he felt that he was able to do so. That's how he became a humanitarian.

He's a very attentive person and it's never mattered to him if he actually knew the people or not. He's been the type to just jump in there and offer his help. Sometimes...a lot of times...people didn't even know it was him that was helping them because he was doing it without making an announcement.

I think we are just returning the kindness and the caring by offering him our moral support. Why ignore his pain when he hasn't been the type to ignore the pain of others?

When he starts singing lines like, "When I'm with you I'm in the light where I cannot be found" it's time to start paying attention, not turning away. I don't think we're being intrusive. I think we are being attentive. We're just showing that we actually care about how he feels.

[TialovesMJ]

When he starts singing lines like, "When I'm with you I'm in the light where I cannot be found" it's time to start paying attention, not turning away. I don't think we're being intrusive. I think we are being attentive. We're just showing that we actually care about how he feels.




:yes: right on!!!:clap:

[AllForMJ]

Michael Jackson is a natural born sweetie. He cannot fake that for a period of 50 years. A person can't touch the lives and souls of others in a loving and positive way if they have a dark heart. It will not work.

Look at the love that he put into Neverland. You can feel the beauty of Neverland just by looking at it in photos. A person that has a dark heart cannot create a place like that. A person that has a dark heart is going to create a place that will drain the energy of everyone that enters it. When people go to Neverland they leave revived.

It is Michael's spirit that was filling Neverland and bringing it to life. When he's not around people can tell. That entire county can tell he is gone even though Neverland is still there. Right now, it's like Neverland is sleeping and waiting for him to return and wake it up. In addition to this, the citizens of that county miss him. No one in their right mind would miss a person that has a dark heart and this is another way of knowing that Michael doesn't.

[TialovesMJ]

That's so true AllForMJ :)

[mysterygirl7]

http://www.beachcalifornia.com/solvang.html

[mysterygirl7]

^^the reason why I posted this link is, that I think it's cool that they promote Solvang with being near to Neverland...

[DMGJACKSON]

Michael Jackson is a natural born sweetie. He cannot fake that for a period of 50 years. A person can't touch the lives and souls of others in a loving and positive way if they have a dark heart. It will not work.

Look at the love that he put into Neverland. You can feel the beauty of Neverland just by looking at it in photos. A person that has a dark heart cannot create a place like that. A person that has a dark heart is going to create a place that will drain the energy of everyone that enters it. When people go to Neverland they leave revived.

It is Michael's spirit that was filling Neverland and bringing it to life. When he's not around people can tell. That entire county can tell he is gone even though Neverland is still there. Right now, it's like Neverland is sleeping and waiting for him to return and wake it up. In addition to this, the citizens of that county miss him. No one in their right mind would miss a person that has a dark heart and this is another way of knowing that Michael doesn't.

Absolutely agree!

[DMGJACKSON]

Under regular circumstances, it isn't uncommon to feel like maybe you're intruding by saying you could tell someone is or was depressed, but we're talking about MJ. He is someone that grew up under a camera lense. He's been around many of us most of our lives. It's kind of hard to not notice. Also, to ignore this is almost like ignoring it while signs of it are coming from a family member.

Michael has been in our lives pratically every step of the way and for those that were actually babies born into the Michael Jackson era, he actually has been a part of their lives every step of the way. There are some fans on this very board that can look back at their lives from when they were toddlers and say they can't remember a time where Michael Jackson was not around.

And then there is this to keep in mind...

Michael himself has not been the type of person that ignores those going through pain and suffering. He's always been the type to lend a helping hand whenever he felt that he was able to do so. That's how he became a humanitarian.

He's a very attentive person and it's never mattered to him if he actually knew the people or not. He's been the type to just jump in there and offer his help. Sometimes...a lot of times...people didn't even know it was him that was helping them because he was doing it without making an announcement.

I think we are just returning the kindness and the caring by offering him our moral support. Why ignore his pain when he hasn't been the type to ignore the pain of others?

When he starts singing lines like, "When I'm with you I'm in the light where I cannot be found" it's time to start paying attention, not turning away. I don't think we're being intrusive. I think we are being attentive. We're just showing that whe has pain,and not turn a blind eye ,but speake actually care about how he feels.

you speak words of truth ,and we should listen to michael ,acknowledgeIf he's In need... And offer words of love and care and upliftment to michael...do all we can Inreaching out to him the best we can...Michael has never turn his back on those In need or those who asked of him for help ,It's time to be there for him ,to lend a shoulder to lean on and not ask or expect anything of him In return...to actually put him first for a change...when ever he needs us...well these are my feelings...

[Ape]

I am really going to miss this thread. My computer is broken and Im just on my aunts right now. I will be missing out, but I hope it doesn't die down. I loved being able to follow everyones thoughts and get caught up in the romance and love of it. I'll catch up when I can.

[AllForMJ]

I am really going to miss this thread. My computer is broken and Im just on my aunts right now. I will be missing out, but I hope it doesn't die down. I loved being able to follow everyones thoughts and get caught up in the romance and love of it. I'll catch up when I can.
Awwwww, I hope you'll be able to come back soon. I have a feeling Mike's about to do something really cool.

Hey, don't know if you have a Best Buy in your area, but maybe the Geek Squad can fix your computer.
*waving*

[TialovesMJ]

Mike doing something cool soon???:woohoo: :lol:

[AllForMJ]

I don't know why I feel this way, MJbabe21, but it seems like Mike and 'em are about to start making their move soon.

Until then, here's something nice to listen to, if it plays properly. lol This shows that MJ has always felt strongly about people coming together. Enjoy! If it plays properly. lol If not, you can go to YouTube to listen to it. It's one of my favorites from the Jackson days called "Show You The Way To Go."

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=hN1kPTJgbOQ

[Ape]

:( My kids broke the screen on my lap top....and I am broke at the moment. Till the house sells. So for today I'm on my aunts computer. Tomorrow I'm headed back home and will be without anything. Maybe in a month I'll be back even if it means taking a beating on selling my house. At least I'll have the stress gone and my life back. (and can splurge on a cheap computer)

[AllForMJ]

Good luck with that and hope all goes well. And keep praying on it so you can stay strong.
:flowers:

[friend]

O/T: you can often pick up free computers on Craigslist, if not free, check barter, you might have something someone with a computer wants and will exchange with you.

[AllForMJ]

LINES FROM SONGS RELEASED IN 2001:

"Speechless"

But I have not the words here to explain.

When I'm with you I am lost for words. I don't know what to say. My head's spinning like a carousel, so silently I pray.

"Don't Walk Away"

Don't walk away. See I just can't find the right thing to say. I tried but all my pain gets in the way. Tell me what I have to do so you'll stay. Should I get down on my knees and pray?

"Whatever Happens"

Preoccupied, she's afraid. Afraid that what they're doing is not right. He doesn't know what to say, so he prays.

LINES FROM SONG RELEASED IN 2003:

"One More Chance"

If you see her, tell her this for me. All I need is one more chance at love.

LINES FROM SONG RELEASED IN 2008:

"For All Time"

And if these words could keep you happy, I'd do anything.

When I say I love you, that's for all time

When I say I need you, that's for all time
In 2003, he said he needed one more chance at love. In 2008, he said for the good love he's receiving he'd go anywhere just as long as she is there. Now, as we can see in "One More Chance" and "For All Time," he knows what he wants to say. Does it seem like being truly loved helped him to find the words?

In "Speechless" he said, "Gone is the grace for expressions of passion." Does it now seem like the grace for expressions of passion has returned and did love take care of this as well?

[TialovesMJ]

:D :D :D :D :D :D

awwwwwww he is really showing that he is in love, and yes, that he is truely loved without a doubt!!:)

[AllForMJ]

He is sooooo in love, isn't he?

FROM "FLY GIRL"

It's all so clear
Clear to me now
It's gotta be your class, style and your smile
The sun ain't shining, shining when you're gone
All I get is rain
All I get is storms
'Cause it's nothin' I can do
And nothin' I can say
'Cause I know I coulda, woulda, shoulda asked you to stay
Stay with me for life
Make you my wife
When it's raining and storming there's nothing he can say. The sun doesn't come when she is away. It's only there when she is there because in "You Are My Life" he said she is the sun. So, until he marries her the story isn't done.

Part I is "Get that girl."
Part II is "Change her name."

Mike's love story only has two parts, you guys. Part I and Part II because he said, "Two times a charm." :lol: :wub:

You know from what Ne-Yo has been saying MJ will change the lyrics. The above sounds just like something he would say.

So, the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

You go, Mike!

[DMGJACKSON]

overwhelmned ,feeling a sense of powerful love taken place an undeniable unquestioned one felt by all:wub:

[TialovesMJ]

He is sooooo in love, isn't he?

FROM "FLY GIRL"

When it's raining and storming there's nothing he can say. The sun doesn't come when she is away. It's only there when she is there because in "You Are My Life" he said she is the sun. So, until he marries her the story isn't done.

Part I is "Get that girl."
Part II is "Change her name."

Mike's love story only has two parts, you guys. Part I and Part II because he said, "Two times a charm." :lol: :wub:

You know from what Ne-Yo has been saying MJ will change the lyrics. The above sounds just like something he would say.

So, the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

You go, Mike!




awwwww that is so sweet!!:D Go MJ!!:clap:

[TialovesMJ]

'Cause I know I coulda, woulda, shoulda asked you to stay
Stay with me for life
Make you my wife


^^ This part of the song grabs my attention, Esp. the "I coulda,woulda, shoulda" part.IDK is he asking her to come back??Maybe giving him another chance at Love with her???

[Ape]

I am writing this using my cell phone if u can beliee it and its a cheapy 1, not a blackberry so its hard 2 do. U know ur a dmjflitd addict when... Lol. I cant read posts on here from my phone but i had a question. Do u think many women will think this thread will be about them and recognize themselves in it? Many women probably have met and spent time with him thru these past years. What do any of u think? i wonder if this post makes sense being i cant read it. Hope it does.

[TialovesMJ]

Nope Ape, It makes your post makes sense.. No worries :D. Well you have a good point :yes: Maybe these women really think that MJ is singing to them, and that he is in love with the women that thinks its her. idk, never know??

[Pua]

Well I know it's not about me, but I'll keep reading :popcorn: :lol: :D

[TialovesMJ]

Well I know it's not about me, but I'll keep reading :popcorn: :lol: :D

hahaha same here..its not me!!! Let the Romance continue on :eat:

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

If he's :happy: in those moments I congratulate him :jump: if he was in :wub: in any moment in his life, the lady was very lucky for having Michael's :wub:

:popcorn: