Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[TialovesMJ]

I'll miss this thread for four days, its so addicting :D.

[Magicgirl]

I think MJ is too shy and that's why will never go find that woman or women but will continue singing about it in songs. And that woman is too shy to go find MJ. The END of the story.

[AllForMJ]

In “Stranger In Moscow,” released in 1995, not long after his troubles began, he said, "Armageddon of the brain" after saying "Here abandoned in my fame."

In “Speechless,” released in 2001, during a time when his feelings were still being largely disregarded, he said, "My head is spinning like a carousel."

Both lines above are referring to his mind. It sounds like he was saying there were many painful and puzzling thoughts running through his mind and he couldn't find a way to sort them out.

Fortunately, God gave him the strength and support to deal with his dilemma and now it feels like MJ has managed to gather his thoughts. It feels like he now has peace of mind. Love and the Lord gave him the strength to sort through his thoughts and eject whatever he doesn’t need, and keep what he does. He didn’t need to hold on to the negative thoughts that were forced upon him. They were weighing him down. He had to learn to reject them and only hold on to thoughts that would lift him up. Yes, God is such a loving God that He will even help a person sort through their thoughts. Here’s proof of it.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Love and God strengthened him mentally. God and love were working on him internally and this is how you can tell.

What did MJ say in 2006 while sipping on lemonade by a pool? If you recall, he said, "I have to change my whole outlook." These spoken words are the complete opposite of "Armageddon of the brain." These words are words of decisiveness. No more is his head spinning like a carousel because God is merciful. God provided him with all the answers and the tool to sort through his thoughts. It’s called “The Word.”

When the persecutors tried to knock MJ down, they instead caused him to stand up and God was right there with him. Now the world is going to be visited by “The New Michael Jackson.” And from looking at the below scripture, God’s work is coming along beautifully as always.

Ephesians 4:23
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him.

So, it looks like their decision to continue ridiculing MJ back fired. It back fired on them to the maximum! :lol:

God is good. Love is good. And the love story continues as the mystery unfolds, and as MJ’s new music approaches out of the sound of silence. Looking forward to hearing what’s been coming to the beautiful mind of Michael the “Maestro.”

Until next time...

[Sdeidjs]

I love this thread too...

Mr.Jackson is way out of my league...I know its not me...

I am common folk, down to earth, go with the flow, non traditional poor college student that only cares about helping others...

Keep Healing The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[ms fairy]

Moddie777...you are so right about, Who is it, it is a key factor as it was others that hurt them. They have weathered the good, bad and ugly together! The music videos are very telling, they give a lot of details and clues. Her name was leaked on american tv show in recent times...they were very much in awe of her inner strength and calmness. I won't say which show or what her name is but its the same love for the last 25 years. MJ has never been involved with any other woman and the trial actually dealt with all that sort of stuff. She was the defense surprise key witness, she was involved with the trial.The news had said she was traumatized and sick like MJ and wished her a speedy recovery. There was info etc about her off and on throughout the years and during the trial but there are gags in place, sealed documents, etc. Everything about her was removed, she was made invisible.... Remember the public got the 'Judge approved transcripts'. A lot of people actually know her like staff, friends, family, business associates. People don't know MJ unless they know her, that has always been the common denominator....so when fans or cuckoos get an autograph and claim to know him or claim to be in the know its clear that they are playing games. There are some that know a lot about her but don't personally know her like Geraldo, Jay Leno and a few others. They were engaged in 86 or 87 and also they were engaged in either later of 1990 or early 1991 there was a tv news announcement about it. They couldn't marry due to circumstances and MJ is very careful throughout time on what he says about her due to legalities and safety, security issues. So depending on what is going on at the time as to what he can say and how much. That's why they chose to share their lives through MJ's song and dance.

In the 80's she was referred to as Tinker Bell, 90's Mystery girl, and 2000's his Queen. MJ's song and dance has always been about them and will always be. Future songs will be more clearer meaning less words of mystery. Once people understand history then one has a better understanding of the present and future. The vogue magazine is very telling its one of MJ's masterpieces! It's good to see these type of discussions throughout the years! PHM was edited a lot for public but the intro and ending of it is in dedication to her. It's easy to find the connections between all the songs by matching similar lyrics. As we learn how to match things in grade 1 and 2 but unless we look at the bad and ugly we will never fully understand what happened to them and appreciate the good and some of things they survived! Also we would have more appreciation for Mj as a musical genius! Do any of you get when and why the masks and scarves came about?

[AllForMJ]

Thanks for putting some of the puzzle pieces in place, ms fairy. As for your question, "Do any of you get when and why the masks and scarves came about?"

Feel free to explain. Do enlighten us. Although I do not know who she is, I want to thank you for not providing her name. MJ is the only one that should do it. Kudos to you.

:flowers:

And the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

[mystygrl]

Moddie777...you are so right about, Who is it, it is a key factor as it was others that hurt them. They have weathered the good, bad and ugly together! The music videos are very telling, they give a lot of details and clues. Her name was leaked on american tv show in recent times...they were very much in awe of her inner strength and calmness. I won't say which show or what her name is but its the same love for the last 25 years. MJ has never been involved with any other woman and the trial actually dealt with all that sort of stuff. She was the defense surprise key witness, she was involved with the trial.The news had said she was traumatized and sick like MJ and wished her a speedy recovery. There was info etc about her off and on throughout the years and during the trial but there are gags in place, sealed documents, etc. Everything about her was removed, she was made invisible.... Remember the public got the 'Judge approved transcripts'. A lot of people actually know her like staff, friends, family, business associates. People don't know MJ unless they know her, that has always been the common denominator....so when fans or cuckoos get an autograph and claim to know him or claim to be in the know its clear that they are playing games. There are some that know a lot about her but don't personally know her like Geraldo, Jay Leno and a few others. They were engaged in 86 or 87 and also they were engaged in either later of 1990 or early 1991 there was a tv news announcement about it. They couldn't marry due to circumstances and MJ is very careful throughout time on what he says about her due to legalities and safety, security issues. So depending on what is going on at the time as to what he can say and how much. That's why they chose to share their lives through MJ's song and dance.

In the 80's she was referred to as Tinker Bell, 90's Mystery girl, and 2000's his Queen. MJ's song and dance has always been about them and will always be. Future songs will be more clearer meaning less words of mystery. Once people understand history then one has a better understanding of the present and future. The vogue magazine is very telling its one of MJ's masterpieces! It's good to see these type of discussions throughout the years! PHM was edited a lot for public but the intro and ending of it is in dedication to her. It's easy to find the connections between all the songs by matching similar lyrics. As we learn how to match things in grade 1 and 2 but unless we look at the bad and ugly we will never fully understand what happened to them and appreciate the good and some of things they survived! Also we would have more appreciation for Mj as a musical genius! Do any of you get when and why the masks and scarves came about?

I wish to begin by saying "thank you for your post". However, some things just don't add up to me. For example, you mentioned that "her name was leaked" on American TV show in recent times. If this was the case, would not others have picked up on this? MJ fans are ALWAYS, imo, on the prowl for any news regarding Michael. Also, in regard to the TV show that spilled the beans it doesn't seem media-like to let news of a relationship involving him to lay low. Throughout the years the media has been desperately trying to link Michael and Grace as a couple.

Now, I agree with the fact that this "love interest" has been ongoing for over 25 years.

In addition, you mentioned "this lady" being a key witness for the defense, becoming traumatized, sick and the media wishing her well; transcripts that were sealed and everything about her being removed. Well, concerning the news wishing her well how could such a thing escape the notice of so many of his fans who could not attend and were glued to their TV's, taping and watching not just ONE broadcast station BUT many. And about the sealed transcripts, that is just IT they are SEALED! How would anyone know that things pertaining to this "mystery woman" were removed UNLESS, imo, Thomas Mesearu and his assistant shared such privy information. Mr. Mesearu DOES NOT give the impression that he is that type of lawyer who would give out such personal material; neither the Judge. And I feel that if this fact is true regarding the "surprise defense witness", the focus would still be on her until this very day.

To say that "when fans or cuckoos get an autograph and claim to know him or claim to be in the know its clear that they are playing games" is a bit harsh, imho. Personally, I find referring to fans as being "cuckoos" an insult. I much rather use the word, "fanatic" because fans of any entertainer, actor/actress, sport hero, etc...relate to the one they admire on different levels. And, it is a known fact that he DOES call fans and keep up with some of them; not every fan who claims to know him is actually lying. For the most part, the tendency is to automatically disbelieve a fan who says they know him due to the fact that he is such an ICON in this world and seems to be untouchable.

About the engagement thing I have only heard about 2 women reaching the point of being engaged to him, which are Romonica Harris and Shanna Mantagal. What is puzzling to me is if he was engaged in 86 and 87 then, in 90 and 91, did he not have opportunities to resume where they left off after his divorce to Lisa? Why Debbie? Should he not have returned to her. Also, what about the time that elapsed after his marriage to Debbie? Could he not have gotten back with "this lady" and married her? I can hardly believe that an announcement of this magnitude of him being engaged with this "mystery lady" would have escaped the notice of zillion of fans as well as the media who has hounded him all his life.

This discussion within this thread has been about MJ's messages of love to this "lady" through song. If she has been around him "all this time", why the need for these messages of love in the song? I take them to be his only means of communication, at this time, until he makes a direct move. On the other hand, I do comply with the fact that "Future songs will be more clearer meaning less words of mystery" because we now have a brand new Michael.

[Sdeidjs]

With no disrespect intended to anyone....

I think the only person that truly KNOWS WHO Mr. Jackson is really "IN LOVE" with is Mr.Jackson...it doesn't matter what anyone else speculates/thinks....when the time is right, I am sure WE as Mr.Jacksons fans/admires and his family will be the first to know...

The mystery continues~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[AllForMJ]

There's one thing for sure...

MJ is in love and he knows exactly who he is in love with. Is she from his past? We don't know. Is she from the present? We don't know. Is he singing about being in love in ways that are different from the past? He surrrrrrrre is and he sounds beautiful.

So the love story continues as his feelings continue to grow...

Gotta come back and add what just came to me when I clicked the "Save" button.

MJ and his lady friend are not the ones running this present relationship. God is the one running it. MJ said he wanted love that's so divine. Therefore, this new relationship will have to run on divine time. It's running on the time of The One that created yesterday as well as tomorrow.

[Sdeidjs]

There's one thing for sure...

MJ is in love and he knows exactly who he is in love with. Is she from his past? We don't know. Is she from the present? We don't know. Is he singing about being in love in ways that are different from the past? He surrrrrrrre is and he sounds beautiful.

So the love story continues as his feelings continue to grow...

Gotta come back and add what just came to me when I clicked the "Save" button.

MJ and his lady friend are not the ones running this present relationship. God is the one running it. MJ said he wanted love that's so divine. Therefore, this new relationship will have to run on divine time. It's running on the time of The One that created yesterday as well as tomorrow.

Smiles~~~Time will tell...

PS: Love the thread/Your posts...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[Magicgirl]

I think it will be difficult for MJ to trust a woman again after 2 his ex s left him, one because she didn't want children with him and felt concerned for her money, with another one they would still maybe had a happy family even though maybe as friends if MJ was not so famous, as deb couldn't bear so much press and attention and couldn't do simple things in life on her own anymore and she didn't want to refuse from that, but one has to think about it before. So the fact is that both women left MJ as I think because of selfish reasons or because they couldn't stand life like that anymore and maybe he expressed his feelings about it in the song "Don't walk away".

Don’t walk away
See I just can’t find the right thing to say
I tried but all my pain gets in the way
Tell me what I have to do so you’ll stay
Should I get down on my knees and pray

[ CHORUS 1 ]
And how can I stop losing you
How can I begin to say
When there’s nothing left
to do but walk away

I close my eyes
Just to try and see you smile one more time
But it’s been so long now all I do is cry
Can’t we find some love to take this away
‘Cause the pain gets stronger every day

[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/8dRM ]
[ CHORUS 2 ]
How can I begin again
How am I to understand
When there’s nothing left
to du but walk away

See now why
All my dreams been broken
I don’t know where we’re going
Everything we said and all we done now
Don’t let go, I don’t wanna walk away
Now why
All my dreams are broken
Don’t know where we’re going
Everything begins to set us free
Can’t you see, I don’t wanna walk away

If you go, I won’t forget you girl
Can’t you see that you will always be
Even though I had to let you go
Don't you need me, Don't you need me
There’ nothing left to do
Don’t walk away

[AllForMJ]

When he recorded "Don't Walk Away" it really does seem as though he was feeling like love would never become a reality for him, but something caused him to record "One More Chance" two years after releasing "Don't Walk Away." So, it seems like he's willing to give love another chance to come into his life. Plus, he also worked on "Beautiful Girl" in 2004 and it's about being in love. He's going to have to trust again in order to love again. The two go hand in hand. Some years ago he had also mentioned wanting to grow old with someone and that wish cannot come true unless he's willing to trust someone. Then, there are the verses he sings in "Hold My Hand" which say:


This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waitin' for
(Hold my hand)
We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)

'Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright
'Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight

So, if you just
(Hold my hand)
Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can
And things will get better if you just
(Hold my hand)
Nothing can come in between us if you just
(Hold my hand)
These are not the type of words to sing when you don't want to trust ever again, as these words are not about walking away. They are about coming together.

These are better times for MJ now. His first two marriages had many obstacles in the way. These are the very things that he's been working very hard to rid his life of lately.
:yes:

[friend]

Do any of you get when and why the masks and scarves came about?

yeah, got an idea ... but doesnt think it has anything to do with "her"

[AllForMJ]

MJ made sure his lady friend's song sounded beautiful. I just noticed what the big difference is between "For All Time" and the other remixes on the "Thriller 25" CD.

It's this...

"For All Time"
Written and Composed by Steve Porcaro & Michael Sherwood
So Little Time Music (ASCAP) / Shecktones Music (ASCAP)
Remixed 10/07
Recorded by Bruce Swedien
Keyboards: Steve Porcaro and David Paich
Guitar: Steve Lukather
Drums: Jeff Porcaro
Additional keyboards: Angelikson Productions
Mixed by Mick Guzauski
Mixing assistant: Tom Bender
Produced by Michael Jackson
previously unreleased track from Thriller sessions
He brought in real musicians for it. He had real keyboards, a guitar and drums. He even had one of the guys that wrote "For All Time" involved in this "Thriller25" recording session.

He gave "For All Time" special treatment. It's the only remix on the "Thriller 25" CD that had real instruments added to it. Also, it's the last song on the CD, but the first song he worked on.

Awwwwwww. He is such a sweetheart. :wub:

[SoS]

^ okay Sherlock you really did it this time! :lol:

Seriously though, great observation! :flowers: and yes, it is a very beautiful thought, to consider that's the reason for those details.


*singing*

Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it

Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it written on here
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it on MJJC
Or see it posted on here
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's Mike-fan, ya know! :yes: :kickass: :lmao: :lmao:

^ :lol:

Everyone should read what you wrote seriously though. A "disclaimer" of sorts lol we should put on each page of this thread, along with a blurb underneath that says,

"The views expressed here are not those of MJJC, MJ, as far as anyone knows for sure lol, his "lady friend" as far as anyone knows, nor anyone except us as far as we know. Membership into the "SITD" club is free. Your views are welcome. The only requirement is that you use MJ song lyrics to explain your version of "the unfolding story" and if you use video references be as clear and specific as possible so that we can understand the sense of what you are saying.


For example, you mentioned that "her name was leaked" on American TV show in recent times. If this was the case, would not others have picked up on this? MJ fans are ALWAYS, imo, on the prowl for any news regarding Michael true, and during the trial, zillions of fans, many of whom listened ONLY for legal details, latched onto every word spoken by the media so anything out of the ordinary would have really STOOD OUT for more than just one or two fans to turn into some mildly rumbling rumor. It would have been a tremor within the fan community.



In addition, you mentioned "this lady" being a key witness for the defense, becoming traumatized, sick and the media wishing her well;

I don't believe someone who made MJ feel stronger than ever has this type of make-up. If she was an anonymous person with no media pressure, there would be no reason for her to be "traumatized", especially that far into the trial. The more tired MJ became through the gruelling ordeal, the stronger this person would become, for him, if for nothing else - rooting him along from the sidelines with her spirit, just like everyone else was doing who loved him and wanted to see him make it to the finish line. Its not as if she helped him get dressed every day and went through that gruelling ordeal physically herself and her faith had to be congruent with his. Remember his mother said he was STRONGER than all of them were! If this love kept him going, then his "lady friend" would be a strong person, not a weak person. Speaking of which, that is another reason I don't give credence to the storyline of Who Is It. The woman in that story was pathetically weak. Those people did not kidnap her. In the end MJ's character learned the truth about her, then, went on with his life, and she went back to her pathetic life of trading love for money. End of story. Brilliantly directed piece of "fan fiction".



And about the sealed transcripts, that is just IT they are SEALED! How would anyone know that things pertaining to this "mystery woman" were removed UNLESS, imo, Thomas Mesearu and his assistant shared such privy information. Mr. Mesearu DOES NOT give the impression that he is that type of lawyer who would give out such personal material I agree 100%. If there was ever an attorney who is/was extremely protective of things such as attorney/client priveledge and any information pertaining to the case, especially information that could potentially compromise the strength and integrity of his defense , it is Tom Messereau. He gives the most impeccable impression of professionalism of any I've ever seen, and I'd go so far as to say that probably anyone who's worked with an attorney in any capacity could say even the worst among them don't violate those things, especially in an environment where fans run rampant with rumors, not to mention the media. . . and someone is supposed to believe that information was "leaked" to THE MEDIA(? lol) and at the most sensitive time of the trial's defense? If the word "surprise witness" came out of the mouth of the media during that time, it was HYPE perhaps based on some RUMOR like everything else the media was doing back then or that word could have applied to any witness the media wanted to "hype".


About the engagement thing I have only heard about 2 women reaching the point of being engaged to him, which are Romonica Harris and Shanna Mantagal. What is puzzling to me is if he was engaged in 86 and 87 then, in 90 and 91, did he not have opportunities to resume where they left off after his divorce to Lisa? Why Debbie? Should he not have returned to her. Interestingly, regardless to exactly how very "engaged" he actually was, to anyone, it truly bowls me over how some people won't look at the fact that the man exercises CHOICES. It seems imho that he chose not to marry either of them nor anyone else (perhaps because as awesome as both of them must be, to have attracted him in the first place, and as awesome as many women he meets undoubtedly are); they evidently weren't "the one" HE was looking for and seems to have opted for marrying his friends whom he had lots of love for - one, who he thought might work out for him, whether she was 'the one' or not, but it didn't - and sometimes I think it did work out for the time, season and purpose, according to their mutual understandings they had in place but may have gotten out of "understanding" down the road as "understandings" often do - - and then the other friend who offerred/insisted upon bringing kids forth for him to satisfy that aspect of his life he'd been longing to fullfill. She evidently knew she was doing that in absence of being "the one" herself and just did it as a friend who loved him. It doesn't seem complicated to me and fans make it so..




I think MJ is too shy and that's why will never go find that woman or women but will continue singing about it in songs. And that woman is too shy to go find MJ. The END of the story.

^If indeed the music is a means of "communicating" I'd say this seems to be the long and short of it all.

I will add that I would not be quick to agree with the word "never" however, because that word (never) has been known to have a power all its own, hence the expression, "never say never because ya neverrrrrr know" - if you've ever said it then found yourself experiencing that very thing you said would "never" happen, then you know what I'm talking about.

[AllForMJ]

Coming back to make a major correction to my above post about "For All Time."

First, the correct spelling of Jeff's last name is Porcaro which I corrected above. He and Steve are brothers.

Second, Jeff passed away in 1992 as shown here: http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Jeff_Porcaro.html Therefore, when MJ worked on "For All Time" for the "Thriller 25" CD, Jeff was not there, but what he contributed to the song was. Also, here's an excerpt from Jeff's bio that shows he worked with MJ on the "Thriller" album.

From the start of his career, Jeff Porcaro was viewed as one of the music industry's top drummers. Porcaro possessed an impeccable sense of rhythm as well as a versatility that bridged virtually every style. Among the hundreds of albums he played on were Boz Scaggs' "Silk Degrees" (for which he wrote "Lowdown" and "Lido Shuffle") [sic], Dire Straits" "On Every Street", Michael Jackson's "Thriller", Elton John's "Jump Up", Don Henley's "End Of The Innocence", Warren Zevon's "Excitable Boy", Rickie Lee Jones' debut, and Bruce Springsteen's "Human Touch".
But, again, "For All Time" is the only remix on "Thriller 25" that has real instruments. The other remixes, a total of five songs, were done in 11/07. The one song with real instruments, "For All Time," was worked on in 10/07.

[SoS]

^ ya knowwwww? :brow: Grandpa "Holmes" would be very proud of this level of detail :yes:

(is your real name "Shirley"?)

j/k :lol:

:D Its good to know these things, to maintain the quality of this lovely story you'e got us addicted to here so

its ALL good...

...and you know the expression.

God is in the details :flowers: THANKS for coming back and sharing that.

[AllForMJ]

:lol:
Just trying to keep the thread moving in the right direction while the beautiful mystery is still unfolding.
:flowers:

Here are some other things that I want to point out in the cover for MJ's "Number Ones" CD, the song "You Are My Life," "Stranger In Moscow," the trial, the song "For All Time" and what's presently taking place in his life.

In the "Special Thanks" section of his "Number Ones" CD cover he said the following:

To my "other" family...thanks and gratitude for your love...your support...and for always being there for me...and for my children...Love, Michael Jackson
Is his lady friend a part of this other family? He said thank you to this family on behalf of himself and his children. He thanked them for always being there. He put the word other in quotes and he did not name the members of this family but apparently, they are important to him enough for him to include them in the Thank You's. Remember we had a discussion in the thread about him possibly becoming a step father? This is one of those things that makes you go, "Hmmmm, his other family..."

In "You Are My Life" he said:

Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
No more tears, no more pain
'Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I'm a better man
In 2001, he felt love deprived. There were tears flowing from his eyes because of it. In 2004, in "The Way You Love Me," he said "I was alone there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." If he was still feeling love deprived as in 2001, and that had continued on all the way up until he had gone through the trial, he would not have had the strength that he displayed to the very end. It would have been too much to bare alone. It would have meant feeling hated and also being hammered by those that were showing him hatred. That's too much for one person to bare alone and that's how everyone should be able to tell that someone came to MJ and brought love with her. She supplied him with an abundance of love to carry him through. One on one love would nourish someone that was feeling love deprived.

In "Stranger In Moscow" he said, "Happy days will drown the pain." During interviews from the new millenium he has mentioned the pain he has gone through. The word pain is in several songs on the "Invincible" CD. But, in the song "You Are My Life" he said there would be no more pain because she loves him.

Now, look at the way that he withstood the pressure of the trial and how he is acting right now in the present day. He's not even acting like he went through all of that. He's happy, cheerful, smiling and laughing. The love he was getting from her sustained him and this is why I now have been looking again at this line from "For All Time" that seemed unclear to many of us here.

Some of us think it's saying "For this good love I'm receiving." Some of us think it's saying "For this good love undeceiving." The lyrics from the "Thriller 25" booklet provided with the CD that was distributed in Japan says, "For this good love undeceiving..." And if you really listen closely it does sometimes sound like he is saying "For this good love undeceiving..." It sounds like he's hanging on the "n" while singing the word "undeceiving" in this line. "For this good love unnnnnndeceiving..." can very easily sound like "For this good love I'm receiving." But, if we think about what he needed to get through the trial, which is true love, and how he felt love deprived in 2001, and how he had been deceived so many times in the past, he would indeed need this love to be undeceiving or it was not going to be enough to strengthen him during his darkest hour. He could not afford for it to seem real and then find out that it wasn't during a time like that.

Therefore, I'm now starting to think that he is saying, "For this good love undeceiving, I'd go anywhere just as long as you are there."

[SoS]

hm I took 'other family' to be those close members of his team

hm gotta listen to that unnnnndeceiving again :yes: but I can believe it.

I'm reminded of the scripture that says (paraphrased) when God gives a blessing He brings no pain with it ..

I'll be back at some point to post the exact words...

[TialovesMJ]

Aww I missed reading these.. good insights!:D :yes:

[TialovesMJ]

Moddie777...you are so right about, Who is it, it is a key factor as it was others that hurt them. They have weathered the good, bad and ugly together! The music videos are very telling, they give a lot of details and clues. Her name was leaked on american tv show in recent times...they were very much in awe of her inner strength and calmness. I won't say which show or what her name is but its the same love for the last 25 years. MJ has never been involved with any other woman and the trial actually dealt with all that sort of stuff. She was the defense surprise key witness, she was involved with the trial.The news had said she was traumatized and sick like MJ and wished her a speedy recovery. There was info etc about her off and on throughout the years and during the trial but there are gags in place, sealed documents, etc. Everything about her was removed, she was made invisible.... Remember the public got the 'Judge approved transcripts'. A lot of people actually know her like staff, friends, family, business associates. People don't know MJ unless they know her, that has always been the common denominator....so when fans or cuckoos get an autograph and claim to know him or claim to be in the know its clear that they are playing games. There are some that know a lot about her but don't personally know her like Geraldo, Jay Leno and a few others. They were engaged in 86 or 87 and also they were engaged in either later of 1990 or early 1991 there was a tv news announcement about it. They couldn't marry due to circumstances and MJ is very careful throughout time on what he says about her due to legalities and safety, security issues. So depending on what is going on at the time as to what he can say and how much. That's why they chose to share their lives through MJ's song and dance.

In the 80's she was referred to as Tinker Bell, 90's Mystery girl, and 2000's his Queen. MJ's song and dance has always been about them and will always be. Future songs will be more clearer meaning less words of mystery. Once people understand history then one has a better understanding of the present and future. The vogue magazine is very telling its one of MJ's masterpieces! It's good to see these type of discussions throughout the years! PHM was edited a lot for public but the intro and ending of it is in dedication to her. It's easy to find the connections between all the songs by matching similar lyrics. As we learn how to match things in grade 1 and 2 but unless we look at the bad and ugly we will never fully understand what happened to them and appreciate the good and some of things they survived! Also we would have more appreciation for Mj as a musical genius! Do any of you get when and why the masks and scarves came about?


Wow...this is very interesting :D Thanks :)!!this is so romantic!!!!

[AllForMJ]

I think it's really amazing that he wrote a love song during the trial. It really shows that he had her on his mind the whole time. The words to "You Are So Beautiful" are really loving. The first part of the song shows he felt true love coming from her. It also shows that she was with him.

You are so beautiful, to me
your true love showed me the way
the way, I had to go
I walked with you
A thousand miles
through hurtful lies
Standing strong with you
Additionally, the above part of "You Are So Beautiful" reveals that a request he made in "Will You Be There" was fulfilled. Three times in "Will You Be There" he said he wanted her to show him.

Will you show to me
You'll be there for me

Hold me (show me)

Show me you care
In "You Are So Beautiful" he said "Your true love showed me..." And what did he say at the end of "You Are So Beautiful?" He said "You were there." What did he say in his good-bye message before going overseas? He said, "You were there when I really needed you. Your ever-present love held me..."

He had to feel her love in order to be able to see that she cared about him. She did it. She showed him and this could be the reason why he's so happy right now. It must be really nice to have someone come to him and show him true love right when he needed it the most.
:yes:

And you know how you can tell that he did not have to give her anything for it? You can tell because in "For All Time" he said, "If these words could keep you happy, I'd do anything." He's giving her his word. Nowhere in this song does he mention material things. Nowhere in "You Are So Beautiful" does he mention material things. Nowhere in "One More Chance" does he mention material things. Nowhere in "Beautiful Girl" does he mention material things and nowhere in "The Way You Love Me" does he mention material things. It's because he didn't need it. True love is free. The saying, "The best things in life are free" sure was confirmed here.

Also, God does not put a price tag on the things that He creates. What He creates is free of charge and more valuable than anything that man can make, and true love is one of them. That's what makes it so fulfilling.

[TialovesMJ]

It sure is :yes:

[AllForMJ]

The line in "You Are My Life" that says,"You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am..." has come to fruition like all the other parts of the song.

:yes:

God hasn't just been working in MJ's life. He's been giving it a complete overhaul.

And the love story continues...

[TialovesMJ]

yeah, and this love story is quite lovely!!:)

[Magicgirl]

Is of course will be great if MJ finally finds someone or maybe he already did (there was this photo with a girlfriend) and we will hear about it in new songs. Anyway what I was thinking about, if he finds her is he also really going to be not selfish and give her all those things she needs? Meaning does he want more children for example if for example she wants to have more kids of her own and to adopt some more like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt? Or there are many other issues. Anyway just imagine he finds her and everything is going great and then it appears that 3 children is enough for him. I did hear enough MJ songs about love and finding it, but nothing definite about his future plans when he finds it. Or maybe there are some songs about it? And does he really want to get married or just to find love and stay with it? Are there songs about it?

[Pua]

Some of these songs just may be about his Mother. A Mother's love is pure and true in a different way and clearly his Mother is his rock and has been there for him through all the celebrations and turmoils. A Mothers love is a constant love he can depend on. Just another way to look at some of the meanings in his songs, they don't all necessarily have to be about romance. Love has many meanings. :)


:popcorn::D

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I agree with you Pua :yes:

I sometimes got the feeling he's affraid of adults in general; just his mother or really close friends like Liz Taylor had hurted him.
I don't think he's interested to find the love (romantic) in these moments, but if Michael in some moment in his life was in :heart: congrats for him :clap: it most be an awesome feeling.

[TialovesMJ]

Yup, I agree Pua , Love has many meanings .


But this is romantic indeed :D.

[Coy]

First, let me say that I have great respect for all of you in here.

Have that in mind as I tell you that I don't think, you do this thread any favors, trying to pin point WHO Michael's great 'love' is.
I find myself getting a little frustrated with the thread, and the direction it seems to be taking.

This isn't and shouldn't be about facts.
I feel like the essence of this thread is discovery and enjoyment?

The more you try to force an idea or theory..
The moment you determined to make it the 'truth'..
It becomes stagnant, stale.
The miracle of it all DIES, because you don't allow it to flow; Letting it take you, where it wants.

Michael may have had a 'special someone' in mind.
He may have had several; depending on the time line.
He may have had his kids in mind.
He may have had family and friends in mind.

Use your imagination. Decipher the lyrics.
But remember to leave a little room for the unknown.
For the element of surprise.

[AllForMJ]

This thread is mainly about love, romance and spirituality as I have stated many times throughout the thread as a reminder.

The thread is entitled, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark." When I initially started the discussion it was based on what he said in "Someone In The Dark" and "The Way You Love Me."

In "Someone In The Dark" which he officially released in 2004, he said "One sweet night I knew I would see a stranger who'd be my friend." This line automatically eliminates family and long-term friends as they were not strangers to him. This person that he was waiting for was to be someone he did not know and this person was going to come to him unannounced.

In "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you." Because he said, "I was alone in the dark...," this line ties into the song "Someone In The Dark." If he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you" in "The Way You Love Me" this can very easily mean that the one sweet night he was waiting for the stranger to come and be his friend finally happened.

In "The Way You Love Me" he also said, "I like the way how you're holding me..., I like the way how you're loving me..., I like the way how you're touching me..., I like the way how you're kissing me..." These lines point to romance, as he always says touch and kiss when he's referring to romance. You can refer back to "Butterflies" and see that touch and kiss points to romance. You can also refer back to "Break of Dawn" where he says "Kiss and touch, nothing much, let it blow just touch and go" and see that he's referring to romance whenever he mentions "kiss" and "touch" in a song.

In "Will You Be There" the first verse says, "Hold me like the river Jordan and I will then say to thee you are my friend." A person becoming someone's friend usually starts from the person not being known. In this song he also said, "Carry me like you are my brother. Love me like a mother." He also says "hold me" and "kiss me" in this song. This signifies romance and he is not going to say this to his brother or his mother. To carry him like a brother means being strong, showing some strength. Love me like a mother means to nurture him like a mother does, but do this to him as his friend. Because he says hold me and kiss me in this song, he is clearly talking to a lady friend.

In "Beautiful Girl" which has also been discussed in this thread, there is a line that says "It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms." This line automically eliminates family and the friends mentioned above, as this line is a no-brainer and he is not going to say such things to them or about them.

"Stranger In Moscow" is mentioned in this thread because it is the song that described his agony following what took place in 1993. In this song he talks about rain coming and not ceasing. Well, in "The Way You Love Me" he says, "You took away the rain and brought the sunshine." This person that took away the rain and brought the sunshine could not be a family member or long-term friend because his family and long-term friends were around when the rain started and had been around while the rain was continuing. Therefore, it would have to have been someone outside of them that took the rain away. He said he was alone in the dark and they came in time. Someone coming to him is not going to be someone that is already around him. It is going to be someone that wasn't

In "You Are My Life" he said, "Once all alone I was lost in a world of strangers. No one to trust. On my own. I was lonely. You suddenly appeared." This person cannot be a family member or long-term friend because his family members and long-term friends were already around him. He said this person suddenly appeared. Also, this person suddenly appears in the manner that he describes in "Someone In The Dark." "In Someone In The Dark" he said "Wherever you may be I'll look up and see someone in the dark for me." Well, if he at first doesn't know where they are and he looks up and sees them, they suddenly appeared. And again, in "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you. You took my hand and you told me you love me. I was alone, there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." If this person came in time, then they came during that time that he did not know specifically, but it was the right time when they arrived because he needed them. He needed this person to be there with him.

Did you hear what his brother Jermaine said while being interviewed by BET days after MJ was exonerated? He said he could not figure out how MJ did it. He said he was still trying to figure it out. He said somehow, MJ stood up. This right here tells us that his family was not alone in helping MJ. They don't even know who this person is. But guess what? MJ does. He's singing to her. He knows exactly who she is.

He's not romantically in love with his family members and friends. He is not singing about dancing and romancing in their arms. He is not singing about them holding him, touching him and kissing him. He is singing about this woman being with him in this way and doing these things to him.

And look at "Fall Again" that he released in 2004 along with "Beautiful Girl," and "The Way That You Love Me." In "Fall Again" he's saying, "I want to spend time till it ends." What does this mean? It means he wants to stay with her for life.

Look at what he's saying in "For All Time." "When I say I need you, that's for all time." What does that mean? It means he wants her to stay with him for life. He even mentions the rain washing away in this song. This would mean it's about the same person that took away the rain in "The Way You Love Me."

Look at what he's saying in "You Are So Beautiful." He says, "You near dried my tears, washed away my fear." This means it is the same person mentioned in "The Way You Love Me" as well as the person he was expecting in "You Are My Life," as the person in "You Are My Life" was going to suddenly appear and do what after appearing? This person was going to take away the tears, the fear and the pain.

And since the time line is covering this one person, it means the person he's singing about in "One More Chance" is also the same person, as this song is between "You Are My Life" and the ones mentioned above with the exception of "Stranger In Moscow" that was released in '95. The reason why "Stranger In Moscow" ties in is because it is the song that the rain is starting in. The rain is starting in this 1995 song and ending now.

This thread was intended to move in the direction of love, romance and spirituality, because MJ is in love—one on one love—he is being romantic and his relationship with his lady friend is very spiritual. God is involved is all facets of it just like He was involved in all facets of the trial. Actually, since MJ was singing about her in "One More Chance" well before even going through the trial, God was interacting with them before then, during and after. What does MJ mention in "For All Time?" He mentions souls embracing. This brings God's presence into the relationship after the trial because God is the creator of souls.

The events mentioned above have already taken place, and have already fallen into place. Look at MJ's description of the days while souls are embracing silently in "For All Time." He said the days are quiet.

Are the days presently quiet? Yes they are. :yes:

[TialovesMJ]

Ohh thanks :).. and you mentioned "Will you be there" too, so this songs ties into his lady friend as well too?oww this is very interesting :D

[TialovesMJ]

You have pointed out some great things in you insight btw :) :yes:

[AllForMJ]

Imagine if I had to say all of that in one breath! :lol: I'd need oxygen for sure!! :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

WOw :o :lol:.... that would be so tiring for you!!!!that is a lot to say :yes::lol:

[SoS]

The main thing that stands out to me about this thread is the fact that a statement made without a song to support it, is pretty much off topic because we're exploring the original question which is really two part - did MJ find love - and if so, was it in some way, "in the dark"



This isn't and shouldn't be about facts.
I feel like the essence of this thread is discovery and enjoyment?

I do know what you mean as far as not trying to pinpoint and I feel that for most of us its all about the lyrics.

For me, its just about connecting any dots that are (if any) to be connected and the irresistableness of suddenly noticing certain things.

Some songs its hard to conclude about completely - - simply because sometimes there are elements of a given song that seem to me to "cancel out" a direct connection, almost like "contradictions" within the same song,

for example,

in You Are My Life - while I feel there could be a parallel in the line, "You Are the Sun" and the whole song may well be prophetic, its also hard to conclude that its about someone he doesn't know (as of the releasing in 2001) because he also says, "you taught me by sharing your life" which seems to be a very finite reference to the past.

In the song The Way You Love Me he keeps repeating, "you'll see" as to indicate they have not as of yet connected physically whereas in For All Time he says, "with a tender touch you know so well"

well - how can that be, if he's talking to/about the same person -

its that type of thing that keeps me pretty much only focused on songs where there are no "contradictions" in terms within the same song -

so what I do is look for a consistant "storyline" where there are no contradicting terms,

such as in the fact that the same action of the woman he's talking about in Who Is It (the song not the video lol) is the same action mentioned in You Are Not Alone, just mentioned with a different sentiment or expression,

or when I hear Can't Let Her Get Away, in addition to the song title suggesting what it obviously means, there is also a line that says, "I'll never let her be" both of which lines remind me of the words, "I'll never let you part" in Will You Be There simply because its saying the same thing.

Those songs are on the same album time-line wise so it makes sense they could be about the same person

now -

being that this is someone who "left" I notice in the next album, HIStory there is still talk about someone who "left" in You Are Not Alone


he also says she is "in his heart" just like in Will You Be There

- then being that in the next album, Invincible there is also a song about someone who "left" in Don't Walk Away and he expresses that this person is always in his heart

in Don't Walk Away he says, "even though I had to let you go, you will always be" - and he also says, "you and me" just as he'd said in the adlib of You Are Not Alone, "you and me - together" in addition to saying, "you are always in my heart"

- imho the point of all that, goes back to Someone In the Dark, "you and I, could never REALLY say goodbye"

so it would make sense to me that by the time 2004 came along and Someone In the Dark is on the Ultimate Collection, it only makes sense to me that as far as timeline goes, he may have put it on there, along with a song like, Fall Again to express the same thing in a different way, which in Fall Again he said, "I haven't left you alone" so it stands to reason that Someone in the Dark showed up on TUC, not so much because it was the year 2004, but because it was a reference to the past

and all this assuming any of it means...

... :lol: anything!!

Now while I'm talking about "meanings"

It seems that One More Chance could have been the result of a spiritual "revelation" he may have had as just prior to that time MJ seemed to be keeping company with men of a siritual orientation, and who were said to be assisting him and that is also the period in which he did the TV Guide interview where he mentioned the spirituality of his upbringing, so it seems he was in a very spiritual frame of mind, perhaps due to the other things he'd also been through during that period, and everyone knows that when we are "going through" is when we reach out to Spirit even more, and also toward TRUE love - so perhaps that is when he "connected" with the idea of giving the two of them a sure chance of being together by praying, meditating and then deciding to release that song OMC

With all this, I also feel we have to allow for a bit of "poetic license" because as Quincy said, "Michael understands drama" and we all know what that means, :lol: our man is drama royalty as demonstrated in the multifarious ways he goes about expressing himself.




The more you try to force an idea or theory..
The moment you determined to make it the 'truth'..
It becomes stagnant, stale.
The miracle of it all DIES, because you don't allow it to flow; Letting it take you, where it wants.

agreed

True, and I hope no one is or would continue doing that because it would really throw things off in the thread.



Michael may have had a 'special someone' in mind.
He may have had several; depending on the time line.
He may have had his kids in mind.
He may have had family and friends in mind.


yes, interestingly, the timeline is one of the key elements of this thread
which makes it very interesting when a song from the past connects with a song from recent times - and at the same time - any number of people may have been in his thoughts intermittently throughout -

the most famous entertainer in the world has to know more people than anyone in the world - or so it would seem

The fun is in the fact that its all a big "eye opener" and at the same time, very difficult for me to be "conclusive" about certain things, especially with songs that contain two contradictory aspects

- as another example,

with You Are My Life, it is also on the same album with Butterflies which MJ had a remix done for which moddie777 (i think it was) mentioned the rap by Eve where she says, "all your life you've waited for this chick, nobody told you it would feel like this"

- well if that is the case then the person he's talking about in the line that says, "you taught me by sharing your life" would not be someone he's been waiting "all his life for" as of the releasing of that same album because if he's been "waiting all his life" and "feeling" a certain way as a result of it, then that person did not teach him by sharing their life

right?

actually, imho You Rock My World is one song wherein he suggests a number of things that could be considered as "contraditory" in terms within the same song making it hard to pinpoint what he's saying

, for instance - the song is called, You Rock My World, but what he repeats in the song is You Rocked My World you know you did,which suggests that he is responding to a person of the past, then he also says, stay with me (suggesting she is presently there) then also says...."I'll be (suggesting future tense) all you need" -

so the only thing I can imagine about that is when he says "stay", he may be

talking about someone who is "with" him without being physically "with" him.

That would then make sense with what Eve says in the rap to Butterflies, and therefore suggests that all along this has been someone who he has had a "sense" (spititually) of being "with" him even though he's been "waiting" all his life for it to manifest

and whom he may have "rediscovered" or someone who "reappeared" during the big ordeal of 2003, thereby being an "answer" to his "reaching out" in the song, OMC

I hope this makes sense,If not, I hope someone will copy and quote which lines to further discuss, for clarity.




But remember to leave a little room for the unknown.
For the element of surprise.


If there is an "unfolding story" here, it will likely not be about anyone we're all familiar with anyway because, as MJ told Geraldo, when it comes to loyal friends, "you wouldn't know them" - and neither would we so it would be fruitless to even "go" there

I feel the "safest" thing we can do is stay away from interpretations.

To me the difference is that an "interpretation" is the reader/listener's "version" of what MJ is saying, whereas the lyrics themselves are strictly what MJ himself has said and when we use that information alone, it makes it more fun for the purpose of this thread imho.

What I feel the point of this thread is, is to figure out what he's saying - in some cases - seemingly, from song to song - not who he's saying it to,


For the most part I feel we've been doing pretty well. MJ's songs are like a train ride through a long tunnel ... as we enjoy the sights

or rather

the sounds

May the exploration and discovery continue...:dancin:

[Coy]

Wow. I made a boo boo?

First of all: I was speaking in very general terms. Meaning All of Michaels songs. Some of them are used in this thread. Others are not.
Of course, the OBVIOUS love songs are not about family or friends.

I was also referring to the talk of a 'mystery woman' giving evidence at the trial etc.. That is part of what I mean by 'trying to pinpoint'.

In MY Personal Opinion:

Someone in the dark.
A stranger becoming a Friend.
The thrill of the feeling that someone (the friend) is 'out there'
This was done for E.T., so we know what it is about.

Will you be there.
He's talking about a Christian kind of love.
"Hold me like the river Jordan.." Why not the Mississippi River?
He's saying how any one, (known friend, new, or yet unknown), who cares for him, holds him up, he considers a friend.
The kiss in this song is a kiss of kindness.
This song is about his need for understanding and comfort.
If this was strictly about romantic love, he wouldn't have mentioned: 'brother' or 'mother', would he? He would make it romantic.
It's not as if he doesn't know how.
There is nothing romantic in this song to me At All.
Human kindness. A brotherly motherly love.
'Love thy neighbor' type of thing.

You are my life.
This one could be about a romantic love, or the love he now experiences, having children. A dear friend. The lyrics give no cause to think that it is ONLY about romantic love.
If you try to be sensitive to the many many levels and nuances of Love, instead of focusing 'only' on the romantic side of it, you will see, what I'm trying to say.

Speechless.
Same thing. A great love so powerful that he is at a loss for words.
His mind is racing (or spinning), and he can't describe, (because it's such a powerful feeling), but he isn't unhappy.
It's like someone being so much in love that it takes their breath away.
We can't live without air but that isn't what we mean, when we say it.



Did you hear what his brother Jermaine said while being interviewed by BET days after MJ was exonerated? He said he could not figure out how MJ did it. He said he was still trying to figure it out. He said somehow, MJ stood up. This right here tells us that his family was not alone in helping MJ. They don't even know who this person is. But guess what? MJ does. He's singing to her. He knows exactly who she is.

He's not romantically in love with his family members and friends.

A person gets his/her strength from MANY different sources.
Family, friends, (fans too, in his case), lovers, pure will power, God.
And yes guess what, Michael and his lady friend, (if there is one), are the only ones 'in the know'.
If you insist on going in the direction mentioned in the quote above, then that is all you will 'see'.

I will refrain from making further comments, as I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion of 'right or wrong'.
I do not comment on certain things, because some of it feels true. Meaning I agree.
Other things make little sense to me but so what?
There should be made room for ideas, different from our own.

State, I don't mean to ignore you.
You had a lot to say that I can't remember right this second, so I have to get back to you on that lol
I agree with many things you said.
What you said about Eve, "You are my life", remix and interpretation.

As an artist having to add a little something something to a song, you have to interpret it, right?
'well, if she was wrong, wouldn't Michael correct her?' Not necessarily.
The original song is open for interpretation. The remix is not. It pinpoints.
If there is room for interpretation, you may not be wrong, so why change it?

I think Michael likes to give 'clues' that go in all direction.
That way everyone will find something that makes the song special to them, and Michael gets to keep his secrets ;)

[mystygrl]

This thread is mainly about love, romance and spirituality as I have stated many times throughout the thread as a reminder.

The thread is entitled, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark." When I initially started the discussion it was based on what he said in "Someone In The Dark" and "The Way You Love Me."

In "Someone In The Dark" which he officially released in 2004, he said "One sweet night I knew I would see a stranger who'd be my friend." This line automatically eliminates family and long-term friends as they were not strangers to him. This person that he was waiting for was to be someone he did not know and this person was going to come to him unannounced.

In "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you." Because he said, "I was alone in the dark...," this line ties into the song "Someone In The Dark." If he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you" in "The Way You Love Me" this can very easily mean that the one sweet night he was waiting for the stranger to come and be his friend finally happened.

In "The Way You Love Me" he also said, "I like the way how you're holding me..., I like the way how you're loving me..., I like the way how you're touching me..., I like the way how you're kissing me..." These lines point to romance, as he always says touch and kiss when he's referring to romance. You can refer back to "Butterflies" and see that touch and kiss points to romance. You can also refer back to "Break of Dawn" where he says "Kiss and touch, nothing much, let it blow just touch and go" and see that he's referring to romance whenever he mentions "kiss" and "touch" in a song.

In "Will You Be There" the first verse says, "Hold me like the river Jordan and I will then say to thee you are my friend." A person becoming someone's friend usually starts from the person not being known. In this song he also said, "Carry me like you are my brother. Love me like a mother." He also says "hold me" and "kiss me" in this song. This signifies romance and he is not going to say this to his brother or his mother. To carry him like a brother means being strong, showing some strength. Love me like a mother means to nurture him like a mother does, but do this to him as his friend. Because he says hold me and kiss me in this song, he is clearly talking to a lady friend.

In "Beautiful Girl" which has also been discussed in this thread, there is a line that says "It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms." This line automically eliminates family and the friends mentioned above, as this line is a no-brainer and he is not going to say such things to them or about them.

"Stranger In Moscow" is mentioned in this thread because it is the song that described his agony following what took place in 1993. In this song he talks about rain coming and not ceasing. Well, in "The Way You Love Me" he says, "You took away the rain and brought the sunshine." This person that took away the rain and brought the sunshine could not be a family member or long-term friend because his family and long-term friends were around when the rain started and had been around while the rain was continuing. Therefore, it would have to have been someone outside of them that took the rain away. He said he was alone in the dark and they came in time. Someone coming to him is not going to be someone that is already around him. It is going to be someone that wasn't

In "You Are My Life" he said, "Once all alone I was lost in a world of strangers. No one to trust. On my own. I was lonely. You suddenly appeared." This person cannot be a family member or long-term friend because his family members and long-term friends were already around him. He said this person suddenly appeared. Also, this person suddenly appears in the manner that he describes in "Someone In The Dark." "In Someone In The Dark" he said "Wherever you may be I'll look up and see someone in the dark for me." Well, if he at first doesn't know where they are and he looks up and sees them, they suddenly appeared. And again, in "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you. You took my hand and you told me you love me. I was alone, there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." If this person came in time, then they came during that time that he did not know specifically, but it was the right time when they arrived because he needed them. He needed this person to be there with him.

Did you hear what his brother Jermaine said while being interviewed by BET days after MJ was exonerated? He said he could not figure out how MJ did it. He said he was still trying to figure it out. He said somehow, MJ stood up. This right here tells us that his family was not alone in helping MJ. They don't even know who this person is. But guess what? MJ does. He's singing to her. He knows exactly who she is.

He's not romantically in love with his family members and friends. He is not singing about dancing and romancing in their arms. He is not singing about them holding him, touching him and kissing him. He is singing about this woman being with him in this way and doing these things to him.

And look at "Fall Again" that he released in 2004 along with "Beautiful Girl," and "The Way That You Love Me." In "Fall Again" he's saying, "I want to spend time till it ends." What does this mean? It means he wants to stay with her for life.

Look at what he's saying in "For All Time." "When I say I need you, that's for all time." What does that mean? It means he wants her to stay with him for life. He even mentions the rain washing away in this song. This would mean it's about the same person that took away the rain in "The Way You Love Me."

Look at what he's saying in "You Are So Beautiful." He says, "You near dried my tears, washed away my fear." This means it is the same person mentioned in "The Way You Love Me" as well as the person he was expecting in "You Are My Life," as the person in "You Are My Life" was going to suddenly appear and do what after appearing? This person was going to take away the tears, the fear and the pain.

And since the time line is covering this one person, it means the person he's singing about in "One More Chance" is also the same person, as this song is between "You Are My Life" and the ones mentioned above with the exception of "Stranger In Moscow" that was released in '95. The reason why "Stranger In Moscow" ties in is because it is the song that the rain is starting in. The rain is starting in this 1995 song and ending now.

This thread was intended to move in the direction of love, romance and spirituality, because MJ is in love—one on one love—he is being romantic and his relationship with his lady friend is very spiritual. God is involved is all facets of it just like He was involved in all facets of the trial. Actually, since MJ was singing about her in "One More Chance" well before even going through the trial, God was interacting with them before then, during and after. What does MJ mention in "For All Time?" He mentions souls embracing. This brings God's presence into the relationship after the trial because God is the creator of souls.

The events mentioned above have already taken place, and have already fallen into place. Look at MJ's description of the days while souls are embracing silently in "For All Time." He said the days are quiet.

Are the days presently quiet? Yes they are. :yes:

:clapping::clapping::clapping:SUPERB JOB! You laid out the arguments and backed them up with facts including time frames. Are you a lawyer because if you are I NEVER and I mean NEVER EVER want to be found in a court room with you for I would surely lose the case.

[MJsPYT1]

Michael Jackson is a natural born sweetie. He cannot fake that for a period of 50 years. A person can't touch the lives and souls of others in a loving and positive way if they have a dark heart. It will not work.

Look at the love that he put into Neverland. You can feel the beauty of Neverland just by looking at it in photos. A person that has a dark heart cannot create a place like that. A person that has a dark heart is going to create a place that will drain the energy of everyone that enters it. When people go to Neverland they leave revived.

It is Michael's spirit that was filling Neverland and bringing it to life. When he's not around people can tell. That entire county can tell he is gone even though Neverland is still there. Right now, it's like Neverland is sleeping and waiting for him to return and wake it up. In addition to this, the citizens of that county miss him. No one in their right mind would miss a person that has a dark heart and this is another way of knowing that Michael doesn't.
:yes::yes::yes::yes:
I agree

[Sdeidjs]

I think who ever this person is will be "in love" with Mr. Jackson till the end of time...I think this person has been by his side from the beginning, the middle, and will "always" be there for him which ever road life takes them...

They are predestined, prohetic, it appear by all the romantic compositions Mr.Jackson has finally found what he has been searching across the globe for all these years...THAT one in a million..!

As the very romantic mystery continues...

Giggles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[TialovesMJ]

^^ how sweet!!!:)

[SoS]

Wow. I made a boo boo?

First of all: I was speaking in very general terms. Meaning All of Michaels songs. Some of them are used in this thread. Others are not.
Of course, the OBVIOUS love songs are not about family or friends.

I was also referring to the talk of a 'mystery woman' giving evidence at the trial etc.. That is part of what I mean by 'trying to pinpoint'.

In MY Personal Opinion:

Someone in the dark.
A stranger becoming a Friend.
The thrill of the feeling that someone (the friend) is 'out there'
This was done for E.T., so we know what it is about.

NO BOO BOOS POSSIBLE in this thread imho - only perceptions and I for one appreciate your comments because they stimulate further exploration. The thing is (the way I see it) we are basically being asked to "look" beyond the obvious. I was struck by this too at first, trying my best to get my mind around why that song (SITD) was chosen, seemingly randomly, but what I could finally "get" with, is the metaphor in MJ putting that song on TUC - that's my take on it because, that, I feel is more the point than what the song was actually created for. Just like Ben which was created for a movie nearly 35 years ago, being the last song on Number Ones, completely out of chronological order and in his adult voice. That is more relevant than the fact that it is about a rat. I recall that when I first heard that song on Number Ones, my first thought was, I'm sure MJ had his reasons for doing it that way, hm, I wonder what that reason could have been. By AllforMJ pointing it out, I could see from a new perspective that there may have been "message" in the reason for it. In other words, this discussion is a "beyond the radar" type of discussion and one has to expand one's perceptions to be able to "see" it.



Will you be there.
He's talking about a Christian kind of love.
"Hold me like the river Jordan.." Why not the Mississippi River?
He's saying how any one, (known friend, new, or yet unknown), who cares for him, holds him up, he considers a friend.
The kiss in this song is a kiss of kindness.
This song is about his need for understanding and comfort.
If this was strictly about romantic love, he wouldn't have mentioned: 'brother' or 'mother', would he? He would make it romantic.
It's not as if he doesn't know how.
There is nothing romantic in this song to me At All.
Human kindness. A brotherly motherly love.
'Love thy neighbor' type of thing.


LOL!! @ the part I bolded. Well, my take on all this is, again - its perceiving beyond "the obvious". That's what we're being asked to do. Its more a spiritual perception than a visual or audio one from reading or hearing the lyrics on the surface, so using "the river Jordan" as an example, it supports the 'spiritual' aspect of these "communications" and the presumed spiritual nature of this "relationship".



You are my life.
This one could be about a romantic love, or the love he now experiences, having children. A dear friend. The lyrics give no cause to think that it is ONLY about romantic love.
If you try to be sensitive to the many many levels and nuances of Love, instead of focusing 'only' on the romantic side of it, you will see, what I'm trying to say.


Well, the ironic thing is that is exactly what is going on here. See, its obvious that You Are My Life could be about anything - his fans, his children, his mother, or even God, so the part of it that would support the topic would be to presume that the "you" he is speaking of, is a specific someone. My problems with it have been stated in my previous post, yet I can see the context of supporting the thread topic because even though You Are My Life could be about anything or anyone other than a female, it could therefore also be about a female - dunn't have to be - but just as easily could be.



Speechless.
Same thing. A great love so powerful that he is at a loss for words.
His mind is racing (or spinning), and he can't describe, (because it's such a powerful feeling), but he isn't unhappy.
It's like someone being so much in love that it takes their breath away.
We can't live without air but that isn't what we mean, when we say it.
Yes, well again, its obvious though. Again, I'm trying to share this perspective with you because I had the same "problem" at first (in the original thread) until some folks helped me to look beyond the literal, onto the potential 'poetic justice' these songs could (possibly) be trying to serve as well as their placements on some albums, being relevant as well. These are the aspects that make this thread so much fun.




A person gets his/her strength from MANY different sources.
Family, friends, (fans too, in his case), lovers, pure will power, God.

Agree. I am not quick to conclude that a woman has to be the reason for a man's strength - that would be ludicrous. At the same time, what the thread starter is pointing out is that MJ seems to have been revitalized alongside making these recent love songs, which is what connects one thing to another.


And yes guess what, Michael and his lady friend, (if there is one), are the only ones 'in the know'.

Well, that's part of the main point about all of this. AllforMJ pointed out that in the song, Beautiful Girl and For All Time that when he says, "she never know" and "baby you'll never know" that it means she actually doesn't KNOW which is what MJ is presumably trying to accomplish by throwing her all these "hints". This is the romantic aspect of the thread.
Personally I agree with Ape and another poster who said that many girls could feel he's talking to them, so imho he'll have to come out with a specific name at some point, if "she" is to KNOW for sure of course that is, if all this is as it seems. And if not, its great entertainment for soime of us.


If you insist on going in the direction mentioned in the quote above, then that is all you will 'see'. True - and this is the "danger" anytime someone is operating from a foregone conclusion - they will pick out only those aspects of a song that support what they already believe, so I feel everyone has to beware of doing that. That's why I feel its important to be open to closer examination of each song's (possible) relations to other songs etc. If we don't remain O P E N, then we stand a chance of seeming to 'force' a 'fit' and I don't imagine anyone wants to do that, it would be a fruitless waste, because let's face it, whatever (if anything) MJ is saying - he is saying - and whatever he is not saying - - he is not saying. I believe we're trying to objectively identify the truth as close as we can get to it in this way, that is, and without being too 'intrusive' at that.


I will refrain from making further comments, as I don't want this thread to turn into a discussion of 'right or wrong'. Do you mean this in reference to whether it is "right" or "wrong" for us to be discussing this? That is an issue many of us have expressed concern over. I feel the purpose of it could be to assist "her" (if of course there is a "her") in figuring out what he's saying - it seems to me there's got to be some purpose for it since the spirit of it is moving, touching and inspiring to others who are reading, so it seems to be mostly a matter of trying to keep it in check (which is what you seem to be trying to do) and on track lyrically with the point of the topic, which others of us try and do, and all with great respect for MJ and the presumably 'private' nature of his seeming, 'public' yet secret message.



I do not comment on certain things, because some of it feels true. Meaning I agree.
Other things make little sense to me but so what?
There should be made room for ideas, different from our own.

well for the most part it seems to me that so far we've got a little "potluck" of ideas here - some more logical, rational or lyrically supported than others it seems to me also, but there's a bunch really.




State, I don't mean to ignore you.
You had a lot to say that I can't remember right this second, so I have to get back to you on that lol
I agree with many things you said.
What you said about Eve, "You are my life", remix and interpretation.


I'd like for someone to comment on what I said because to me what I said makes sense lol!! and I'm commenting in order to stimulate discussion - where're y'all AT?! lol



As an artist having to add a little something something to a song, you have to interpret it, right?
'well, if she was wrong, wouldn't Michael correct her?' Not necessarily.
The original song is open for interpretation. The remix is not. It pinpoints.
If there is room for interpretation, you may not be wrong, so why change it?


So are you saying that the rap in the remix pinpoints what he's wanting said, although MJ would also not have necessarily corrected Eve even if she were wrong?




In "You Are My Life" he said, "Once all alone I was lost in a world of strangers. No one to trust. On my own. I was lonely. You suddenly appeared." This person cannot be a family member or long-term friend because his family members and long-term friends were already around him. He said this person suddenly appeared. Also, this person suddenly appears in the manner that he describes in "Someone In The Dark." "In Someone In The Dark" he said "Wherever you may be I'll look up and see someone in the dark for me." Well, if he at first doesn't know where they are and he looks up and sees them, they suddenly appeared. And again, in "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone in the dark when I met you. You took my hand and you told me you love me. I was alone, there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." If this person came in time, then they came during that time that he did not know specifically, but it was the right time when they arrived because he needed them. He needed this person to be there with him.


I feel one thing that would make this thread even more interesting is if we could take a closer look at various verses, such as this connection between these two songs. I definitely see the correlation in the part I bolded. The only thing I don't see is the fact that - first off Someone In the Dark was released in around 1983 from an album that won a Grammy, so its not just being released in 2004.

With that said, whomever (obviously, if anyone) it was metaphorically to/for/about, would have to have originally "suddenly appeared" back then since that is when it was originally released (UNLESS the only relevant thing is the fact that it is on TUC right along with the song which also mentions "the dark", that being, The Way You Love Me) - now IF that is not the case, that would mean that "this person" is someone who was "there" in 1983, when the song was originally released.

Now, if that is the case, then it is obvious that the lyrics "you suddenly appeared" would have to be making reference to way back then, using your correlation of the fact that you are saying that both songs are saying essentially the same thing.

So looking at the fact that MJ went through hell right smack in between 1983 and 2001, then the fact that in 2001 he said, "it was cloudy before but now its all clear" would seem to mean the person from 1983 was the person Eve could be referring to when she said, "all your life you've waited for this chick" - and - "whats so special 'bout this lady?" and You Rocked My World referring to someone he was spiritually reaching "back" for in these songs, which could explain how the next album had him reaching "toward" her in OMC. The only thing that gives me a l o n g pause is the line that says, "you taught me by sharing your life". That line alone cancels out dang near the entire theory (she doesn't "KNOW", they haven't interacted up close and personal, things of that nature) That's where I can see what Coy is saying in that some songs may seem to be relevant or connected and may not be.

Now to me THAT would make the song connections make sense, just as in the fact that PYT 2008 was resurrected from that same time period as Someone in the Dark, and brought up to date and placed on T25 to suggest that "the original PYT" (referring to the person, if there is one) is who/what the songs are about, then and now. Did any of that make sense? :lol: it did to me because it goes back to our previous discussion (in the past thread) about the connection between THEN and NOW.

ok AFMJ, I need your comment :lol: to see if this is 'on track' or off, agree or disagree, fun or a p.i.t.butt. :lol:



I think Michael likes to give 'clues' that go in all direction.
That way everyone will find something that makes the song special to them, and Michael gets to keep his secrets ;)
at the end of the day, I'll have to say this I agree with 100% :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Nice breakdown, StateOfShock. This thread is very long now and it has close to 1,300 posts in it, so it seems like some of the newer posters may be providing their input based on only reading parts of this thread which is understandable. lol

There are some things that I've said some pages back in the thread that I think I'll have to go and get. This is about "You Are My Life" and "Will You Be There" being prophetic songs. I've mainly been looking at these two songs from a spiritual angle because the words to these songs have come to pass. Because of the way that MJ's mind has clearly been on a woman while going through the trial, and the two songs have come to pass in ways that are related to the trial, the words in these songs point to a female and the role she played in his life as he faced his challenges.

Also, MJ has also been the type to have a woman at his side when facing difficulties. When he went through the first blow that he was served in 1993, Liz Taylor was there for him. Lisa and Debbie came later. Between Debbie and the release of "Invincible" MJ appeared to be extremely lonely. Then, he went from singing love songs about pain and disappointment to recording and releasing "One More Chance." The love songs being released from "One More Chance" forward have not been love songs about disappointment at all. They have been love songs that show he's opened his heart to someone. He's not trying to get away from her or anything like that in these songs. These songs that are now being released have all been about him enjoying her presence. In "One More Chance" he said, "He'll sail the seven seas to be near her." In "You Are So Beautiful" he says, "You near, dried my tears, washed away my fears." The love songs released after "Invincible" have been about coming closer in different ways, on different levels.

Notice that in these songs, he never describes a need to walk away, turn away, get away, or any of that stuff. These songs have more so been about the two coming together as there seems to be no conflict between them at all. There have been no signs of him feeling leery or anything like this in these songs. There's no sound of discontent. They have mainly been saying, in so many words, "I love you. Let's be together. I know we're going to do fine." It also seems like he was friends with her first and fell in love with her later which is why she didn't know and he's been trying to tell her.

I too agree with the last line of Coy's post. What Coy said is what I love about MJ. MJ has found a way to get straightforwardness and obscurity to co-exist. LOL Gotta love him!

I think Michael likes to give 'clues' that go in all direction.
That way everyone will find something that makes the song special to them, and Michael gets to keep his secrets
And, as I've been saying as a reminder from time-to-time, this thread is about love, spirituality, romance and MJ's music. Because spirituality is a part of it, it causes us to look beneath the surface of things. It's actually inevitable, because MJ is so deep.

[SoS]

Nice breakdown, StateOfShock. This thread is very long now and it has close to 1,300 posts in it, so it seems like some of the newer posters may be providing their input based on only reading parts of this thread which is understandable. lol

There are some things that I've said some pages back in the thread that I think I'll have to go and get. This is about "You Are My Life" and "Will You Be There" being prophetic songs. I've mainly been looking at these two songs from a spiritual angle because the words to these songs have come to pass.

Well ok so I'm on track here, thanks for letting me know. As for going back to get the bits about prophetic aspects, for my part you won't need to retrieve those (although prob for newbies to the thread) because I recall that you and some others concur that those songs could be prophetic and I did agree that it 'resonates' as possible that it could be so. My question would then be though, what about the line which says, "you taught me by sharing your life"? Are you saying that is something that he "projected" and which hasn't come to pass yet? To me it seems one of those things that makes it hard to conclude a "meaning" from the overall song.



Because of the way that MJ's mind has clearly been on a woman while going through the trial, and the two songs have come to pass in ways that are related to the trial, the words in these songs point to a female and the role she played in his life as he faced his challenges.]Also, MJ has also been the type to have a woman at his side when facing difficulties. When he went through the first blow that he was served in 1993, Liz Taylor was there for him. Lisa and Debbie came later. Between Debbie and the release of "Invincible" MJ appeared to be extremely lonely. Then, he went from singing love songs about pain and disappointment to recording and releasing "One More Chance." The love songs being released from "One More Chance" forward have not been love songs about disappointment at all. They have been love songs that show he's opened his heart to someone.

Regarding the part I bolded, I would like to know if you're saying that you feel that OMC isn't about a "do-over". To me the title and lyrics speaks for itself and am under the assumption that everyone sees it that way and I originally took it that you saw it that way when you originally (in the first thread) pointed out the songs on TUC, one being Fall Again which obviously speaks for itself, especially the lyrical content as well the title also.


Now I sort of get the impression now you're not seeing it that way and I'm trying to understand if not, how not, ("this time" - "can't go on without you by my side" - "if you see her tell her this for me" - "all I need is one more chance at love"

being that's what the overall message pretty much seems to be about, tied in with other "messages" in TUC eg., The Way You Love Me, "I was afraid cause I was hurt the last time" which would seem to tie together all the songs on TUC that reference the past, eg., Fall Again, eg., "I haven't left you alone", Heart on the Line ("if you wanna get it right, you've got to reach out and try") which Coy would say is a generic "inspirational" song but you (AFMJ) have me looking beyond the radar here :lol: its a standard practice now.

Anyway, just wondered if I'm reading your posts wrong or what.




He's not trying to get away from her or anything like that in these songs. These songs that are now being released have all been about him enjoying her presence. In "One More Chance" he said, "He'll sail the seven seas to be near her." In "You Are So Beautiful" he says, "You near, dried my tears, washed away my fears." The love songs released after "Invincible" have been about coming closer in different ways, on different levels.

Notice that in these songs, he never describes a need to walk away, turn away, get away, or any of that stuff. These songs have more so been about the two coming together as there seems to be no conflict between them at all. There have been no signs of him feeling leery or anything like this in these songs. There's no sound of discontent.


Now, off hand, I don't know of any songs where he is talking about 'getting away' from her, other than Don't Walk Away where he says, "even though I had to let you go" which speaks for itself as to why, by the song title, and with the exception of where Eve says, "feeling like you wanna pull back, but you know you perfect for her you got all of what them fools lack" and even in that song he's tallking about being with her, however I guess all you're really meaning is that in the new songs there is nothing but love, nothing that is a pull-back in energy or anything negative (like running away, walking away etc.) that he projects coming from her - only love between the both of them.


They have mainly been saying, in so many words, "I love you. Let's be together. I know we're going to do fine." It also seems like he was friends with her first and fell in love with her later which is why she didn't know and he's been trying to tell her.

As for the part I bolded, I guess it had to be a 'spiritual' friendship as signified by the song Ben, and the placing of it on Number Ones at the end in his adult voice and the mention of a "stranger who'd be my friend" as in the thread title song - right?



I too agree with the last line of Coy's post. What Coy said is what I love about MJ. MJ has found a way to get straightforwardness and obscurity to co-exist. LOL Gotta love him!

And, as I've been saying as a reminder from time-to-time, this thread is about love, spirituality, romance and MJ's music. Because spirituality is a part of it, it causes us to look beneath the surface of things. It's actually inevitable, because MJ is so deep.

yes, and well MJ obviously has some pretty deep fans too

go figure :cheeky: :lol: no pun intended (as in, we're busy trying to 'figure' this out?) :lol: ok a little humor there, ok very little...lol

[Coy]

LOL!! @ the part I bolded. Well, my take on all this is, again - its perceiving beyond "the obvious". That's what we're being asked to do. Its more a spiritual perception than a visual or audio one from reading or hearing the lyrics on the surface, so using "the river Jordan" as an example, it supports the 'spiritual' aspect of these "communications" and the presumed spiritual nature of this "relationship".

I get that this is a interpretation thread.
There's not much fun figuring out, what is clear as day.
Sure "Will you be there" could be about a deeper spiritual side of a relationship.
Sometimes, a song is open to multiple interpretations.
Sometimes, it just is what it is.


Agree. I am not quick to conclude that a woman has to be the reason for a man's strength - that would be ludicrous. At the same time, what the thread starter is pointing out is that MJ seems to have been revitalized alongside making these recent love songs, which is what connects one thing to another.

Um I responded, based on how the thread starter explained it.
What person wouldn't revitalized, feeling like they've got a second chance at life, after being in danger of losing everything?
I'm not saying, it's wrong. If you want to go that route, run with it.



Well, that's part of the main point about all of this. AllforMJ pointed out that in the song, Beautiful Girl and For All Time that when he says, "she never know" and "baby you'll never know" that it means she actually doesn't KNOW which is what MJ is presumably trying to accomplish by throwing her all these "hints".

This is true. But then you can also find many many songs of love (obvious or not), where this is not the case.



Do you mean this in reference to whether it is "right" or "wrong" for us to be discussing this?

No. What I meant is that I don't want to turn this into a big discussion of: Who is right, and who is wrong, in their interpretations.



I'd like for someone to comment on what I said because to me what I said makes sense lol!! and I'm commenting in order to stimulate discussion - where're y'all AT?! lol

LOL You make sense just fine.
You're doing a great job, stimulating discussion.


So are you saying that the rap in the remix pinpoints what he's wanting said, although MJ would also not have necessarily corrected Eve even if she were wrong?

No. What I was Trying to say was that Eve made her own conclusions based on what the song meant to her (interpretation).
The song (original Not remix) is open to multiple interpretations.
Eve closes that gap by introducing her vision (opinion) to the song.

Michael wouldn't necessarily ask Eve to change her lyrics, even if they didn't coincide with his vision for the original song, as long as the remix lyrics relates to any of the possible interpretations.
What would you conclude the song is about at first glance?? Romantic love. Eve delivers.

It bothers me, the at times, lack of doubt in some posts here (not all).
Almost voicing a kind of Certainty instead of Possibility.
This could JUST be the way they communicate, or it could be that they're so certain that they feel, it is close to fact.
I'm talking about the romantic aspects now and not the dilemma of,
'obvious vs. romantic' interpretation.

I am more than happy to admit that I could be wrong in my interpretations, since I don't know what Michael had in mind, writing these songs.

I'm going to bow out of this thread now.
Like I've said once or twice before, I'm not here to rattle the cage or cause offence.
Only make you consider a few things.
I will leave you to it

Thank you for your patience and willingness to explain..
If you have something to add, you're welcome to PM me, as I won't be checking this thread for a repsonse.

Be nice, as you see the back of me? lol

[SoS]

well although Coy isn't coming back, I'll comment to stimulate the discussion and hopefully get it back on track


I get that this is a interpretation thread.

Others may have that impression too because at the end of the day, it is that indeed, however, due to the thread title and topic, I see it more specifically as a "trying -to-clarify-the-point-of-the-topic-title-using-MJ's-music-to-do-it" thread




There's not much fun figuring out, what is clear as day.
Sure "Will you be there" could be about a deeper spiritual side of a relationship.
Sometimes, a song is open to multiple interpretations.
Sometimes, it just is what it is.

True to the last point. The point of this discussion is to look 'outside the box' since that is the way MJ thinks, so the thread starter is saying there is more than what meets the eye



Um I responded, based on how the thread starter explained it.
What person wouldn't revitalized, feeling like they've got a second chance at life, after being in danger of losing everything?
I'm not saying, it's wrong. If you want to go that route, run with it.
Agree - however - again - the point is the music - the music that came out of it too - not just the level of rejuvination


Originally Posted by STATEofSHOCK http://www.mjjcommunity.com//forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com//forum/showthread.php?p=1584440#post1584440)
Well, that's part of the main point about all of this. AllforMJ pointed out that in the song, Beautiful Girl and For All Time that when he says, "she never know" and "baby you'll never know" that it means she actually doesn't KNOW which is what MJ is presumably trying to accomplish by throwing her all these "hints".




This is true. But then you can also find many many songs of love (obvious or not), where this is not the case. There are many songs about all kinds of topics in MJ's repertoire - we're only talking about the ones that are relevant to the topic



No. What I meant is that I don't want to turn this into a big discussion of: Who is right, and who is wrong, in their interpretations. I feel that unless a person is MJ, there is no such expertise in a thread such as this anyway - that's why I said there are no boo-boos - in fact - its really not that serious lol - just some folks on the same imaginative, romantic and spiritual "wavelength" bouncing stuff around, and for those who are on a different 'wavelength' - people are open to listen to them - the way I see it. The only thing required is that whatever they say make SENSE (meaning be logical, rational or supported by MJ's art).




LOL You make sense just fine.
You're doing a great job, stimulating discussion.
I sure can't tell. lol nobody's commenting on very much of anything I've said but ok



No. What I was Trying to say was that Eve made her own conclusions based on what the song meant to her (interpretation).
The song (original Not remix) is open to multiple interpretations.
Eve closes that gap by introducing her vision (opinion) to the song.

Michael wouldn't necessarily ask Eve to change her lyrics, even if they didn't coincide with his vision for the original song, as long as the remix lyrics relates to any of the possible interpretations.
What would you conclude the song is about at first glance?? Romantic love. Eve delivers.

My interpretaion of MJ is that he is a lot more deliberate as an artist, than to give his song to someone and say to them, do with this as you please. Eve would have had to have invented the entire scenario she raps about because MJ talks about NONE of what she does, in his original song. He says he wants to touch and taste - and Eve has MJ waiting his entire life to be with her, analyzing the situation to death, holding back himself, (ah there's one! allformj! an example of him holding back) she's got them having children! lol I feel that if her lyrics align with his vision of what he wanted to project or portray in the song, of course he'd use it and if they did not, he would not. It is well reputed how exacting he is, which is why I see it this way. It is said he is not the type to leave very much to 'chance' and wouldn't surprise me if he wrote the rap himself, although it doesn't have to be the case. Although I could be wrong (had to say that?) I do believe he lets his collaborators know what he's wanting to create and illicits their input.



It bothers me, the at times, lack of doubt in some posts here (not all).
Almost voicing a kind of Certainty instead of Possibility.
This could JUST be the way they communicate, or it could be that they're so certain that they feel, it is close to fact.
I'm talking about the romantic aspects now and not the dilemma of,
'obvious vs. romantic' interpretation.

I am more than happy to admit that I could be wrong in my interpretations, since I don't know what Michael had in mind, writing these songs.


Its interesting. I've noticed that some people see this in different ways at different times. Sometimes posters feel its necessary to add notations like, "imho", "imo", "I feel", "I believe", "seems to me" etc. so as not to seem to be 'waxing' an 'authority' - and other times we leave it to the readers to automatically understand that on a message board, everything is always just everyone's personal opinion or interpretation. For me it is a given that all views expressed are the sole property of the one who has expressed it :lol:




I'm going to bow out of this thread now. Like I've said once or twice before, I'm not here to rattle the cage or cause offence.
Only make you consider a few things.
I will leave you to it

Thank you for your patience and willingness to explain..
If you have something to add, you're welcome to PM me, as I won't be checking this thread for a repsonse.

Be nice, as you see the back of me? lol
I feel its stimulating when someone likes to make a bunch of "noise" lol (rattling a cage?) and to me a topic is most interesting when people can share divergent points of view without introducing feelings of offense or intrusion. Its a free Country where I live, and a free message board. Hate to see anyone leave for this reason ...

unless they are MJ and we are on completely the wrong track :ermm:




:lol: if that were the case I'd like to think MJ would be so kind as to stear us into a more productive and constructive more clear direction being that those are words that characterize him. :yes:

so, in the absence of all that, this thread topic is what it is

jmho :flowers:

[AllForMJ]

Someone in the dark.
A stranger becoming a Friend.
The thrill of the feeling that someone (the friend) is 'out there'
This was done for E.T., so we know what it is about.
"Someone In The Dark" is a soundtrack just like "Childhood" is a soundtrack for "Free Willy 2," but didn't "Childhood' end up being about him? Yes it did. He said if people want to get to know him they should listen to "Childhood." Just like this song is about him, I feel there are things in "Someone In The Dark" that are also about him.


Will you be there.
He's talking about a Christian kind of love.
"Hold me like the river Jordan.." Why not the Mississippi River?
He's saying how any one, (known friend, new, or yet unknown), who cares for him, holds him up, he considers a friend.
The kiss in this song is a kiss of kindness.
This song is about his need for understanding and comfort.
If this was strictly about romantic love, he wouldn't have mentioned: 'brother' or 'mother', would he? He would make it romantic.
It's not as if he doesn't know how.
There is nothing romantic in this song to me At All.
Human kindness. A brotherly motherly love.
'Love thy neighbor' type of thing.

You are my life.
This one could be about a romantic love, or the love he now experiences, having children. A dear friend. The lyrics give no cause to think that it is ONLY about romantic love.
If you try to be sensitive to the many many levels and nuances of Love, instead of focusing 'only' on the romantic side of it, you will see, what I'm trying to say.
In response to the above, I am reposting some things that I've said about "You Are My Life" and "Will You Be There" being prophetic songs that have both come to fruition in ways relative to the '03-'05 trial. These are posts that are pretty far back in the thread and I don't know if you've read that far back, or if you have been keeping up with the entire thread. It's pretty long now. There are over a 1000 posts in this thread so if you missed these it's fully understandable.


25-07-2008, 04:01 PM #1005
AllForMJ

With this thread I am basically pointing out all the positive changes that have occurred in his life after he released "Invincible." The song on the "Invincible" CD that I've noticed is prophetic is the song "You Are My Life." Everything in this song has come to fruition. All of it.

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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1564120&highlight=prophetic#post1564120

18-07-2008, 07:02 AM #699
AllForMJ

Excerpt from post #699

From listening to the fourth verse of “Will You Be There,” you can also tell that this song, though released in the ‘90’s, applied to the trial that MJ just went through. You can tell because of the words, “fight till the end.” These are the words that Mesereau spoke in front of the courthouse once he became MJ’s attorney in 2004.

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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1554388&highlight=Mesereau#post1554388

19-07-2008, 11:46 AM #708
AllForMJ

In the spoken words of "Will You Be There" he said, "In the promise of another tomorrow." These words are referring to a new beginning.

The theme of his web site that he launched in March 2004 was "A New Beginning" and his new beginning is happening right now.

Therefore, his song "Will You Be There" is definitely a prophetic song...every line of it...every word.

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http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1556052&highlight=prophetic#post1556052
Yet, I still feel that "Will You Be There" is about a woman becoming his friend because he mentions things pertaining to intimacy and he says that he gets lonely sometimes, and also because at the end of his stage performance for this song, he has a female angel wrap her wings around him to bring him comfort. The person that suddenly appeared to him in "You Are My Life" was also doing things to bring him comfort.

Here's something else that I've been meaning to point out about "Stranger In Moscow" and what occurred in 2004.

In "Stranger In Moscow" he said, "Take my name. Just let me be." He said it more than once. Now, look at what he said in 2004.

April 2004

"I am innocent of these false charges and will aggressively seek to clear my name. I feel very confident that when I am able to defend myself, I will be exonerated by a jury of my peers."
This shows he is taking back his name.

Speechless.
Same thing. A great love so powerful that he is at a loss for words.
His mind is racing (or spinning), and he can't describe, (because it's such a powerful feeling), but he isn't unhappy.
It's like someone being so much in love that it takes their breath away.
We can't live without air but that isn't what we mean, when we say it.
If I didn't have a firsthand encounter with MJ and did not have anything to compare to what you are saying, I would probably agree with what you're saying here. But, since I have met MJ in person and have experienced him being unable to speak, I have to tell you what it was like. When he is lost for words it is from being uncomfortable. Each of the songs on the "Invincible" CD where he didn't know what to say were songs about discomfort. In each of the verses where he mentions not knowing what to say he also felt the need to pray. These songs are "Speechless," "Don't Walk Away," and "Whatever Happens."

"Speechless"
When I'm with you, I am lost for words. I don't know what to say. My head's spinning like a carousel, so silently I pray.

"Don't Walk Away"
See, I just can't find the right thing to say. I tried, but all my pain gets in the way. Tell me what I have to do so you'll stay. Should I get down on my knees and pray?

"Whatever Happens"
Preoccupied, she's afraid. Afraid that what they're doing's not right. He doesn't know what to say, so he prays.

Now, getting back to what it's like to see him speechless...

I can tell you what it's like when he’s speechless and doesn’t know what to say. This is when you can really tell that he is child-like.

What he did was much like what little kids do. Like when little kids will sometimes be playing alone in the living room with their toys and are talking out loud to themselves and then someone they don't know enters the room—and this person could be with a family member—the little kid will get totally quiet, stop what they are doing, get up and go to the family member and stay with them until the stranger leaves. Not all little kids do this, but many of them do. If you have seen little kids do this, it is very similar to the way that MJ was sitting in total silence while I was sitting alone with him. It's just that he didn't have anyone there to ease his fear accept the person that he didn’t know—which at that moment was me. My way of attempting to ease his fear was by keeping my promise to him. My promise was that no one would do anything to him. His bodyguards were still standing next to the radio station because he had them stay there as he walked across the parking lot to the limo alone following what I had said to him. When little kids get quiet in the presence of strangers it is because they feel uncomfortable. They don't know them.

Seeing MJ sitting completely motionless and in total silence and feeling his fear was much like what little kids do, except little kids are unable to remain as still as him.

In addition to being fearful, he was also extremely shy—shy to the point that he was barely able to give me eye contact. He kept trying over and over and over and over, literally, to give me direct eye contact, but he was barely able to do it. His fear combined with he shyness made me almost feel bad for him. It was kind of cute all at the same time, but you can feel his fear. He becomes speechless when he is uncomfortable in a situation. Back then, he was very uncomfortable one on one. He only spoke to me because I spoke to him first and when he answered he answered in a whisper. When I said, “Hi, Michael” he whispered “Hello.” When I slowly reached out my hand to place something into his hands, that was the only time that he moved, and when he did move, he only lifted up his hands and opened them so I could place in his hands what I wanted to give to him. After I gave it to him, he whispered “Thank you” and went right back to sitting completely still and being totally silent. He was afraid. The only reason why he whispered “Good-bye” at the end is because I said “Bye” to him first.

When he is speechless, I can tell you, he is speechless from not knowing what to say. When he says, “I have not the words…” he means exactly that. When I experienced him being speechless it wasn’t from anything except him not knowing what to say or how to say it. In the two other songs on the “Invincible” CD where there are lines of him not know what to say, again, both of the songs are songs where he’s uncomfortable with the situation at hand.

My firsthand encounter with him was a close up that consisted of silence, stillness, shyness and fear all combined with him still trying his hardest to be brave. He was 21 years old. I was a teenager and he was afraid of me even though I was acting mild mannered. He was nothing like the person I saw on stage the year before that. He was nothing like what I saw him being a couple hours before that moment during the autograph signing. He was very talkative during the autograph signing.

In order to interact with him one on one, I had to take all the things I felt coming from him into consideration and make sure that my actions did not cause him to think I would harm him. I even had to be mindful of my own body language because I did not want to cause him to think, or feel in anyway, that I would hurt him. I just interacted with him without questioning him about his fear. He really is afraid of people—a lot. More than you’d ever expect from the greatest entertainer in the world.

When he mentions fear, he truly means what he says. When he doesn't know what to say, he really does not know what to say. When he released the "Invincible" CD he was around 43 years old. Yet, he was still mentioning fear in his songs. Therefore, it is something that he is still somewhat struggling with. When he wrote "You Are So Beautiful," he was around 47 years old and the word fear is in this song as well. The line says, "You near, dried my tears, washed away my fear."

There's one thing that I found to be very interesting and that is even through he didn't know how to have a conversation with me, even though he was afraid and even though he was extremely shy to the point that he could barely look into my eyes, he still interacted with me, and I know it was only because of the way that I was conducting myself. I exercised self-control. He did not need his bodyguards' protection. I kept my promise.

Notice that he mentions the word “fear” in “You Are My Life” and “You Are So Beautiful.” In both songs he is saying the fear would be taken away. He mentions the word “afraid” in “Someone In The Dark” and also “The Way You Love Me.” In "Someone In The Dark" there is the line that says, "...never be afraid." There is a reason why he’s saying these things. They are not just written lyrics. Fear…being afraid…has become a part of his life. Being unable to speak sometimes has also become a part of his life. It’s not fun for him. It just seems like he’s found ways to cope with it as much as he can, but it’s real. I saw it in his eyes. I felt it. That’s why I know he could never have done any of the things that Evan Chandler claimed he did to his son. MJ doesn’t have it in him to do any of that. He would have been too afraid.

It is absolutely amazing how he can get on stage, perform his heart out and have the entire world in awe, and be afraid off stage. But he is. There is a side of MJ that is truly child-like.

Yes, some songs contain lyrics that are just lyrics. But some are more than that. When he mentions not knowing what to say or mentions fear, he means exactly that.

Also, MJ will indeed change lyrics. This is something that Ne-Yo has been making very clear over the past couple of months pertaining to the songs that he's been writing for MJ's upcoming album.

For those that remember, we can even look back at the “I Have This Dream” songwriting contest that MJ held back in 2002. The winner of the contest is named Ric Kipp. Below are the lyrics that he submitted for the contest. Part of the contest involved MJ eventually going into the studio to record the winning song.

Original Lyrics Submitted by Ric Kipp for the “I Have This Dream” Songwriting Contest:


I see a world in my dream
Spinning in tranquility
Free from hate and hunger
Filled with love and wonder

I hear a song, as yet unsung
Every voice will sing as one
Ringing out across the land
From every woman, child, and man

(chorus)
I have this dream, this I believe
That the world can live as one in harmony
Make it come true, share it with me
I have this dream

You and I have this chance
We hold the future in our hands
And even in the darkest night
We can shine a light

(chorus 2)
I have this dream, this I believe
That we will someday live as one in peace
Make it come true, share it with me
I have this dream

(bridge)
It’s a dream that once began, becomes a song
That has no end
And when the angels all join in
We’ll make the Heavens sing

(chorus 2)

(chorus 1)

(chorus…out)
I have this dream, this I believe
The world will someday live as one in peace
Make it come true, share it with me
Oh make it come true, shape it with me
Yes we can make it come true, you and me
We have this dream, I have this dream


Final Lyrics
(After changes were made)

We are here, then we're gone
In the end only love lives on
So take a moment while you can
To stop one heart from breaking

I've felt peace and I've felt pain
Every generation seems to pass the blame
It's up to us to make a change
Let it ring across the land

I have this dream, which I believe
That the world can live as one in harmony
Every child who's born
Needs to believe that he belongs
I have this dream

You and I have this chance
To hold the future in our hands
We can light the darkest night
And make a new tomorrow

I have this dream, which I believe
That the world can live as one in harmony
Every child who's born
Needs to believe that he belongs
I have this dream

It's a dream that once began
Becomes a song that has no end
And when the angels all join in
We'll make the heavens sing
As all can plainly see, Ric Kipp's lyrics were changed, the song was shortened, and look at what word came into it. The word pain. The word pain came into this songwriting contest that took place in 2002. Ric did not have the word pain in the lyrics that he submitted. It came in only after the song was changed.

The word pain is not in "One More Chance," "Beautiful Girl," "The Way You Love Me," "For All Time" or "Hold My Hand." Why not? Can it be because someone has been helping MJ to put the pain behind him since before the trial? All of these songs are addressing a woman. "One More Chance" is about having a chance to be in love again. "Beautiful Girl" is about being in love. "The Way You Love Me" is about him being supplied with love and affection. "For All Time" is about telling her how long he will love her and how long he will need her. "Hold My Hand" is about them being together and her letting him be her one and only man. "One More Chance" was released in 2003. "Beautiful Girl" was released in 2004. "The Way You Love Me" was released in 2004. "For All Time" was released in 2008. "Hold My Hand" is to be released in 2008 as well. And although it is Akon's song featuring Michael Jackson, it is a song that MJ has chosen to sing and he usually will not sing anything that he doesn't feel some sort of a connection to. Why did the word pain not enter any of these songs? Maybe it is because the song "You Are My Life," which is prophetic, says she would take away the pain. Each of the songs in this paragraph where the word pain is absent, are pertaining to a woman. All of these songs came out after the "Invincible" CD which is filled with song of discontent, and after the "I Have This Dream" songwriting contest where the winning song was changed and the word pain was added.

The other thing that's interesting about "For All Time" is this. This song has something collapsing in it. It is something that was constructed. Yet, love, affection, spirituality and romance are still a part of the song as well. This song says, "And maybe the walls will tumble and the sun may refuse to shine. When I say I love you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time." Then it goes from the walls tumbling to the walls crumbling. What does he say then? He says, "And maybe the walls will crumble and the sun may refuse to shine. When I say I need you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time."

This shows he needs her with him when things are not going well and he's letting her know that even when things are not going well, he will still love her. This is exactly the type of thing he displayed during the trial while he was releasing love songs, as well as when he wrote a love song.

In addition to this, romance was on his mind during the trial. "Beautiful Girl," which was released in 2004 and repeatedly says "I'm in love with you," has a line that says, "It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms." This song, which is about love and romance, is also the exact same song that he had playing during his interview with Geraldo after the Grand Jury Transcript was leaked to the media causing the Judge presiding over the case to allow MJ to make a statement.

During a time of hardship, MJ picked a song about love and romance as the song to have playing during his interview with Geraldo and this speaks volumes. He could have chosen any of the other 56 songs from "The Ultimate Collection" box set, but he chose the one that says he's in love. He chose "Beautiful Girl."

The direction of this thread is not off when the focus is on love and romance, as it falls right in line with what MJ himself was doing during the trial. That was him standing there in the recording studio, on camera, with "Beautiful Girl" playing during the interview that took place during the trial. It can't be overlooked and this thread is consistent with what he himself was doing.

[summer]

I can't believe how long this thread is...:lol: Won't be able to read much for the next two weeks...I'm on a vacation and I've got this book I can't put down, it's so good, so I'll be busy reading that....in the sun (well, hopefully! :lol:)...outside. :) I'll try to catch up when I can. :yes:

[Magicgirl]

Now, getting back to what it's like to see him speechless...

I can tell you what it's like when he’s speechless and doesn’t know what to say. This is when you can really tell that he is child-like.

What he did was much like what little kids do. Like when little kids will sometimes be playing alone in the living room with their toys and are talking out loud to themselves and then someone they don't know enters the room—and this person could be with a family member—the little kid will get totally quiet, stop what they are doing, get up and go to the family member and stay with them until the stranger leaves. Not all little kids do this, but many of them do. If you have seen little kids do this, it is very similar to the way that MJ was sitting in total silence while I was sitting alone with him. It's just that he didn't have anyone there to ease his fear accept the person that he didn’t know—which at that moment was me. My way of attempting to ease his fear was by keeping my promise to him. My promise was that no one would do anything to him. His bodyguards were still standing next to the radio station because he had them stay there as he walked across the parking lot to the limo alone following what I had said to him. When little kids get quiet in the presence of strangers it is because they feel uncomfortable. They don't know them.

Seeing MJ sitting completely motionless and in total silence and feeling his fear was much like what little kids do, except little kids are unable to remain as still as him.

In addition to being fearful, he was also extremely shy—shy to the point that he was barely able to give me eye contact. He kept trying over and over and over and over, literally, to give me direct eye contact, but he was barely able to do it. His fear combined with he shyness made me almost feel bad for him. It was kind of cute all at the same time, but you can feel his fear. He becomes speechless when he is uncomfortable in a situation. Back then, he was very uncomfortable one on one. He only spoke to me because I spoke to him first and when he answered he answered in a whisper. When I said, “Hi, Michael” he whispered “Hello.” When I slowly reached out my hand to place something into his hands, that was the only time that he moved, and when he did move, he only lifted up his hands and opened them so I could place in his hands what I wanted to give to him. After I gave it to him, he whispered “Thank you” and went right back to sitting completely still and being totally silent. He was afraid. The only reason why he whispered “Good-bye” at the end is because I said “Bye” to him first.

When he is speechless, I can tell you, he is speechless from not knowing what to say. When he says, “I have not the words…” he means exactly that. When I experienced him being speechless it wasn’t from anything except him not knowing what to say or how to say it. In the two other songs on the “Invincible” CD where there are lines of him not know what to say, again, both of the songs are songs where he’s uncomfortable with the situation at hand.

My firsthand encounter with him was a close up that consisted of silence, stillness, shyness and fear all combined with him still trying his hardest to be brave. He was 21 years old. I was a teenager and he was afraid of me even though I was acting mild mannered. He was nothing like the person I saw on stage the year before that. He was nothing like what I saw him being a couple hours before that moment during the autograph signing. He was very talkative during the autograph signing.

In order to interact with him one on one, I had to take all the things I felt coming from him into consideration and make sure that my actions did not cause him to think I would harm him. I even had to be mindful of my own body language because I did not want to cause him to think, or feel in anyway, that I would hurt him. I just interacted with him without questioning him about his fear. He really is afraid of people—a lot. More than you’d ever expect from the greatest entertainer in the world.

When he mentions fear, he truly means what he says. When he doesn't know what to say, he really does not know what to say. When he released the "Invincible" CD he was around 43 years old. Yet, he was still mentioning fear in his songs. Therefore, it is something that he is still somewhat struggling with. When he wrote "You Are So Beautiful," he was around 47 years old and the word fear is in this song as well. The line says, "You near, dried my tears, washed away my fear."

There's one thing that I found to be very interesting and that is even through he didn't know how to have a conversation with me, even though he was afraid and even though he was extremely shy to the point that he could barely look into my eyes, he still interacted with me, and I know it was only because of the way that I was conducting myself. I exercised self-control. He did not need his bodyguards' protection. I kept my promise.

What you describe I experienced once. I think this is not because of being shy and having fear. MJ grew in a rough neighbourhood, I did as well (in Russia), yes, part of person has fear and part of person knows how to overcome it and avoid the danger. I know the feeling when you go out in the evening and have to return back on foot late and are prepared to run any moment and are very aware of the surroundings.
I think MJ being speechless is more because of being reserved and not knowing what to say when you meet unknown person and the situation when one person is a celebrity and another one is not and there is a barrier because of that.
As I said I've experienced similar situation many years ago, when I was invited for a day as an interpreter to some exhibition, I knew that the prince was coming there as well, but I had no interest and it bothered me not at all, I was thinking it must be some old man. So at the moment when he came up to where I was standing together with 2 other people and the businessman he wanted to talk to was not there (for whom I made translation), it was an awesome moment, he had to wait, as businessman came back only 10 minutes later and all this time there was silence! Prince was together with one more person and I was together with 2 other people, first I stared for a moment and noticed he was well dressed, young and had these beautiful eyes, but I thought it was not polite to look at the person, so I looked through him, not into the eyes, but at his tie or at the space behind him. I was not well dressed (in this old pulli and short skirt) and felt I was not in the position to say something, though now I think I could have asked for a photo or could have asked if he liked russia. So it lasted for 10 min, then the rest people understood and crowd gathered, the businessman came and I disappeared behind the backs of people who ran up and stood in front of me and then there was this impudent journalist woman who ran up and got a photo of herself with a prince which was then put in the newspaper and I didn't even get a photo as both of us were speechless!

[TialovesMJ]

What deep experiences :yes:

[AllForMJ]

What you describe I experienced once. I think this is not because of being shy and having fear. MJ grew in a rough neighbourhood, I did as well (in Russia), yes, part of person has fear and part of person knows how to overcome it and avoid the danger. I know the feeling when you go out in the evening and have to return back on foot late and are prepared to run any moment and are very aware of the surroundings.
I think MJ being speechless is more because of being reserved and not knowing what to say when you meet unknown person and the situation when one person is a celebrity and another one is not and there is a barrier because of that.
As I said I've experienced similar situation many years ago, when I was invited for a day as an interpreter to some exhibition, I knew that the prince was coming there as well, but I had no interest and it bothered me not at all, I was thinking it must be some old man. So at the moment when he came up to where I was standing together with 2 other people and the businessman he wanted to talk to was not there (for whom I made translation), it was an awesome moment, he had to wait, as businessman came back only 10 minutes later and all this time there was silence! Prince was together with one more person and I was together with 2 other people, first I stared for a moment and noticed he was well dressed, young and had these beautiful eyes, but I thought it was not polite to look at the person, so I looked through him, not into the eyes, but at his tie or at the space behind him. I was not well dressed (in this old pulli and short skirt) and felt I was not in the position to say something, though now I think I could have asked for a photo or could have asked if he liked russia. So it lasted for 10 min, then the rest people understood and crowd gathered, the businessman came and I disappeared behind the backs of people who ran up and stood in front of me and then there was this impudent journalist woman who ran up and got a photo of herself with a prince which was then put in the newspaper and I didn't even get a photo as both of us were speechless!

I agree with the part that I bolded when it comes to MJ, but on the shy part, I know what I saw stemmed from fear. I wish you could have seen, with your own eyes, the way that MJ does his eyes when he's unable to give direct eye contact.

This is what he does...

He slightly holds his head down and it causes him to have to look up when he's trying to look into your eyes. When he did it to me, he slightly held down his head and then over and over and over, really fast, he'd look at me, then looked at the floor, look at me, then look at the floor, look at me, then look at the floor. He did it over and over and over and over and over. The way he does it is cute and sad all combined. Although he was sitting straight up with his back fully against the seat, his posture read fear because he held his head slightly down.

Because of the number of years that have gone by, he's probably nowhere near as shy as he used to be, but something is causing him to still mention the word "fear" in his songs. Maybe some choose to ignore this word "fear" as it comes into his songs, but I find it very hard to do. I cannot ignore that word "fear" because of what I experienced with him. There is a reason why he mentions the words "fear" and "afraid."

Because I felt his fear it is another reason why I hate the way that some have been treating him. It was so wrong for them to force him to have to fight for his life after he's been living his life in fear for so long.

His fear could be stemming from being mobbed all his life and having to spend his life running from large crowds for safety. It could be from the way that people have been physically pulling on him from his hair on down. It could be from being set up by people that have come into his life portraying themselves as trustworthy. It could be from being used for his name all the time and not knowing what his name is being used for. It could be from people trying to blackmail him for monetary gain. There are multiple reasons for him to be afraid. Not knowing what people's motives are is a cause for fear and imagine the number of people that pass through his life with him being unable to tell what their motives are?

I truly doubt if anyone will get away with treating that prince the way that many have treated Michael Jackson. If someone tried to treat that prince that way, they'd be locked in a prison cell.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ thats so true what you said.

[wowo]

stop this.
you the people had described an artist with nearly 50 years independent living/performing experienment into a poor guy, a coward, a pitiful creature without any charm. it shouldn't be like that.
when i was young(maybe in high school), i experienced self-closed, can't say one word in half a year once. i changed it myself finally. everyone should be responsible for his own life, 50 years is... a big man, whatever the fear is, he should have overcome and be responsible for his behavior.
but i believe he had, he can do. if he didn't, he won't, he can't... after a people owning such a 50 years career like him, well, it would be a joke, and he deserved to be defeated by fear.


no offense

[SoS]

^ Michael Jackson is the LAST person on earth to be defeated by fear!! are you crayz...silly??? :lol:

That's just IT. He has succeeded beyond anyone's imagination IN SPITE OF HIS FEARS and that's long BEFORE ANYONE "came" into his life!

MJ has followed his love - his bliss - despite EVERYTHING

How many people can say that?

don't be so judgemental Maaaan

[AllForMJ]

stop this.
you the people had described an artist with nearly 50 years independent living/performing experienment into a poor guy, a coward, a pitiful creature without any charm. it shouldn't be like that.
when i was young(maybe in high school), i experienced self-closed, can't say one word in half a year once. i changed it myself finally. everyone should be responsible for his own life, 50 years is... a big man, whatever the fear is, he should have overcome and be responsible for his behavior.
but i believe he had, he can do. if he didn't, he won't, he can't... after a people owning such a 50 years career like him, well, it would be a joke, and he deserved to be defeated by fear.


no offense
Those are your words, wowo, not mine or the words of anyone else that have been having regular discussions in this thread.

As a matter of fact, the words, "a poor guy, a coward, a pitiful creature without any charm" never even entered this thread until YOU yourself brought them in.

The topic of this thread does not even go anywhere near any of what YOU described. I think you need to start from page one and read all the way up to your post and then you will see.

Until you do that, you will not fully understand your error. Also, you can't enter a thread say all of that stuff as your very first post and then follow all of that with the words "no offense." No one else in this thread has posted such words, except you. Start from page one and look at all the posts up to your own and you will see.

[LindaC781]

I don't think MJ as what the Wowo person described. I think of him as one person when he is onstage, and a different person when he's one on one with someone. He is a precious gem. A jewel that needs tender loving care. Someone we can all look up to...cause he is all too human sometimes.

[AllForMJ]

Some may be completely surprised that MJ was just as shy as I described a page back and just as fearful as I described, but the truth is...the God honest truth is...he did every single thing that I described and guess what he did afterwards? Afterwards, he went on to conquer the music industry. When he did what I described a page back, he was promoting "Off The Wall." What came after "Off The Wall?" It was "Thriller." The biggest selling album of all time is what came next. He then went onwards and shattered record after record. Yes he did. But, he still did all that I described too.

I've asked God about this. And what comes to me about it is, with Michael Jackson being the most famous man in the word, and on the level that he is on, what keeps him from being arrogant is his fear and his shyness. It is actually what keeps him humble. There is no way that God would allow someone to become as big as Michael Jackson and be arrogant too. It is Michael's fear that actually causes him to need God so much and to stay with God. But, I think what also causes Michael to fight his fear of people as well and rise above his fear is because God says to fear no one, but Him.

I think God is very pleased with Michael Jackson for becoming as big as he is but still loving the Him too. Michael has never strayed from God. He also has never used his fame for anything except good.

Did you see how God defeated ALL of Michael's enemies as he pushed Michael forward to continue doing what he loves? If God was not pleased with him, things would not be going as well as they are. MJ got a chance to take a stand and was triumphant. His enemies were put to shame. He was also singing to a chick and still is.

So the love story continues as the mystery unfolds.

Wow! It sure feels like that album is right around the corner. It is going to be off the hook!! Michael's got so many things...wonderful things...amazing things...that can go into his upcoming album! He's had a whole new life experience that occurred on a major scale and most of it was spiritual based.

:yes:

[TillitsGone]

You guys are really something else. :lol: I have never in my life meet fans like you explaining things in such depth. Michael is truly blessed to have peeps like you (and me). If only more people understood it like us.

[TialovesMJ]

^^exactly!!..we have to :clap: for AllforMJ and everyonesle who is explaining things in depth in this thread. You guys are doing great!!!

[AllForMJ]

He's really got it going ON!! Shy and all!! He's just...Wow!! He's just Mike!! That's Mike, y'all!!! That's just him!!

:lol:

Mike's like, "Accept me or don't accept me, but I'm still going to be me and I'm still going to do what I do. Ready or not, here I come. All of me!"

That's just Mike!

And then he sweeps through like a tornado and leaves people wanting him to do it again!!

:lol:

[TialovesMJ]

Heck yeah :kickass::punk:.... That's MJ for us. Don't cha just love him? :D

[AllForMJ]

Yep! I LOVE ME SOME HIM!! Michael is cool!! Complex and all!!

[TialovesMJ]

heh Same here :D....Michael is just being Michael, got to LOVE it. He is just being himself,people either like it or they don't!!

[TillitsGone]

Seriously though, you have to be one lucky chic to have MJ in your life romantically. I know I shouldn't be saying this but... I wonder what's it's like... to.... make love to him... and I don't mean just sex but... it has to eb liek some sort of aurora of unity type of thing... you know what I mean?

[DMGJACKSON]

I find what you wrote AllforMJ touching was very moved...

[wendijane]

Agreed

*runs about on the lovely thread *


LONG LIVE THIS THREAD AND MICHAELS HAPPINESS .

[DMGJACKSON]

well said my lovely friend ...

[SoS]

^ :yes:

TO: absolute peace, happiness :cheers:and the truest of love for our man! (and all others)

When he's happy :wub::D, we're happy :D :wub:

[AllForMJ]

:cheers:
Ohhh the beauty of Michael Joseph Jackson. Glad you all are still having fun in the thread!

Queeeeestion for you guys. lol

When did MJ's demo for the song "Love Never Felt So Good" appear on the Internet? I thought it was like last year, but I can't quite remember.

Does anyone know? And didn't it just kinda pop up outta nowhere?

[TialovesMJ]

Yes, this thread sure is lovely :yes: and so is Michael Jackson :)..

hmmm I wish i could answer that question, but I have no clue either :unsure:?? But you are probably right!!:yes:

[SoS]

I have it notated as of 12/31/06

[Ape]

I am so exhausted lately but I really want to write something. I haven't fully read through all the posts since I've been away but skimmed through and saw SOS wanted someone to comment so I'll try to put in my two bits since I could see another angle to it.
I'll post in red for Luuuuuuuuuv :P


for example,

in You Are My Life - while I feel there could be a parallel in the line, "You Are the Sun" and the whole song may well be prophetic, its also hard to conclude that its about someone he doesn't know (as of the releasing in 2001) because he also says, "you taught me by sharing your life" which seems to be a very finite reference to the past.
If it is prophetic then it'd be easy enough to explain..or wishful thinking but I'll go with it just being how it sounds. It sounds like someone sharing her life with him. I always took it to mean that she shared, as in talked about her life and told him personal stories, stories about her life as well as sharing by spending time together.
In the song The Way You Love Me he keeps repeating, "you'll see" as to indicate they have not as of yet connected physically whereas in For All Time he says, "with a tender touch you know so well"

well - how can that be, if he's talking to/about the same person -
Well...one way I could see this not being a contradiction is is if he did meet someone in the dark in his dreams or here's a new thought that hasn't been mentioned before...online. Maybe we are all to scared to say that for fear of being correct? Because we wouldn't want to say something that would give everyone reason to go nuts over their own thoughts and imaginations that would happen by wondering if someone they talk to or have come across online could be him and certainly wouldn't want to take away any freedom he would have by the possibility of him coming online. But since we don't know, and I'm brainstorming with you all, I'll bring it up as a possibility. lol. Gosh I am so tired and I hope that I am not sounding foolish because I'm talking in this state of mind.

ok to elaborate now. If it is not contradictory, it could be a possibility in the two instances I've mentioned because in a dream, a person could be very familiar with another's spirit and their touch and personality from a dream (my disney love story version of interpretation) and if online, words can describe something in such detail that they are, in a way, felt and can be known so well through their words, and at the same time she may not even be aware of it being him. Just a thought. Both are still very romantic. Both could be true at the same time as well if one is open to such possibilities
its that type of thing that keeps me pretty much only focused on songs where there are no "contradictions" in terms within the same song -

so what I do is look for a consistant "storyline" where there are no contradicting terms,

such as in the fact that the same action of the woman he's talking about in Who Is It (the song not the video lol) is the same action mentioned in You Are Not Alone, just mentioned with a different sentiment or expression,

or when I hear Can't Let Her Get Away, in addition to the song title suggesting what it obviously means, there is also a line that says, "I'll never let her be" both of which lines remind me of the words, "I'll never let you part" in Will You Be There simply because its saying the same thing.

Those songs are on the same album time-line wise so it makes sense they could be about the same person

now -

being that this is someone who "left" I notice in the next album, HIStory there is still talk about someone who "left" in You Are Not Alone


he also says she is "in his heart" just like in Will You Be There

- then being that in the next album, Invincible there is also a song about someone who "left" in Don't Walk Away and he expresses that this person is always in his heart

in Don't Walk Away he says, "even though I had to let you go, you will always be" - and he also says, "you and me" just as he'd said in the adlib of You Are Not Alone, "you and me - together" in addition to saying, "you are always in my heart"

- imho the point of all that, goes back to Someone In the Dark, "you and I, could never REALLY say goodbye"

so it would make sense to me that by the time 2004 came along and Someone In the Dark is on the Ultimate Collection, it only makes sense to me that as far as timeline goes, he may have put it on there, along with a song like, Fall Again to express the same thing in a different way, which in Fall Again he said, "I haven't left you alone" so it stands to reason that Someone in the Dark showed up on TUC, not so much because it was the year 2004, but because it was a reference to the past

and all this assuming any of it means...

... :lol: anything!!

Now while I'm talking about "meanings"

It seems that One More Chance could have been the result of a spiritual "revelation" he may have had as just prior to that time MJ seemed to be keeping company with men of a siritual orientation, and who were said to be assisting him and that is also the period in which he did the TV Guide interview where he mentioned the spirituality of his upbringing, so it seems he was in a very spiritual frame of mind, perhaps due to the other things he'd also been through during that period, and everyone knows that when we are "going through" is when we reach out to Spirit even more, and also toward TRUE love - so perhaps that is when he "connected" with the idea of giving the two of them a sure chance of being together by praying, meditating and then deciding to release that song OMC

With all this, I also feel we have to allow for a bit of "poetic license" because as Quincy said, "Michael understands drama" and we all know what that means, :lol: our man is drama royalty as demonstrated in the multifarious ways he goes about expressing himself.



agreed

True, and I hope no one is or would continue doing that because it would really throw things off in the thread.



yes, interestingly, the timeline is one of the key elements of this thread
which makes it very interesting when a song from the past connects with a song from recent times - and at the same time - any number of people may have been in his thoughts intermittently throughout -

the most famous entertainer in the world has to know more people than anyone in the world - or so it would seem

The fun is in the fact that its all a big "eye opener" and at the same time, very difficult for me to be "conclusive" about certain things, especially with songs that contain two contradictory aspects

- as another example,

with You Are My Life, it is also on the same album with Butterflies which MJ had a remix done for which moddie777 (i think it was) mentioned the rap by Eve where she says, "all your life you've waited for this chick, nobody told you it would feel like this"

- well if that is the case then the person he's talking about in the line that says, "you taught me by sharing your life" would not be someone he's been waiting "all his life for" as of the releasing of that same album because if he's been "waiting all his life" and "feeling" a certain way as a result of it, then that person did not teach him by sharing their life
It could be, in the possible circumstances I had mentioned. He could be waiting all his life for this special ideal woman. Maybe he dreams about her. It might not be about a real person, but she could be the epitome of the perfect woman, in his mind. So he waits all his life, and then finds someone who fits that description in his mind, and they share a friendship. By sharing a friendship, and sharing time together, and sharing stories of each others lives with each other, they would be sharing their lives. She would be sharing her life with him and she didn't have to be there in his past to do that. Just like an author shares his or her vision for a story with us, or like a director shares his or her vision of a story with us. By telling your life story to someone, you are sharing bits of your life with them. Though it could also be about someone from his past. WHy not? Could have been someone who he had shared parts of his life with and she knows him so well because they maybe grew up together? Very possible. I wonder if we will ever know.
right?

actually, imho You Rock My World is one song wherein he suggests a number of things that could be considered as "contraditory" in terms within the same song making it hard to pinpoint what he's saying

, for instance - the song is called, You Rock My World, but what he repeats in the song is You Rocked My World you know you did,which suggests that he is responding to a person of the past, then he also says, stay with me (suggesting she is presently there) then also says...."I'll be (suggesting future tense) all you need" -

so the only thing I can imagine about that is when he says "stay", he may be

talking about someone who is "with" him without being physically "with" him.

That would then make sense with what Eve says in the rap to Butterflies, and therefore suggests that all along this has been someone who he has had a "sense" (spititually) of being "with" him even though he's been "waiting" all his life for it to manifest

and whom he may have "rediscovered" or someone who "reappeared" during the big ordeal of 2003, thereby being an "answer" to his "reaching out" in the song, OMC

I hope this makes sense,If not, I hope someone will copy and quote which lines to further discuss, for clarity.




If there is an "unfolding story" here, it will likely not be about anyone we're all familiar with anyway because, as MJ told Geraldo, when it comes to loyal friends, "you wouldn't know them" - and neither would we so it would be fruitless to even "go" there

I feel the "safest" thing we can do is stay away from interpretations.

To me the difference is that an "interpretation" is the reader/listener's "version" of what MJ is saying, whereas the lyrics themselves are strictly what MJ himself has said and when we use that information alone, it makes it more fun for the purpose of this thread imho.

What I feel the point of this thread is, is to figure out what he's saying - in some cases - seemingly, from song to song - not who he's saying it to,


For the most part I feel we've been doing pretty well. MJ's songs are like a train ride through a long tunnel ... as we enjoy the sights

or rather

the sounds

May the exploration and discovery continue...:dancin:
OK I am going to post this. I am too tired to read it over to make sure it makes sense or to decide whether I even should post it. They are simply possibilities of the unknown. I am just open to possibilities but don't know how close to truth it may or may not be. I am not one of those people who are "in the know" lol...guess that's why I feel free to say whatever comes to mind.

Oh I also wanted to share a thought I had while away (Im on my aunts computer again.) Many of his songs and poems and such could have had a particular person in mind, could have been inspired from another person, or various people. He could have had a completely different interpretation in mind about the songs and poems. But because God is most probably in the picture, He has made sense of them all and they all seem to fit so perfectly to be talking about this one love. God fit those pieces of the puzzle in even though MJ may have had entirely something else in mind. That they all seem to click together to tell a beautiful story just shows how meticulous God is in paying attention to details. The fine print..the little things that add up to big things. Maybe God is painting another story with MJ's own words that he never saw happening. Maybe he never saw that being an outcome but maybe it IS.

There was a small story on the movie "the Secret" if anyones seen it. It's about this man who made a dream board (I forget what he called it) and it was packed away for years. His son brought it out and asked what it was and when I was explaining it to his son he realized that the house he had cut out a photo of and pasted up on the board was actually the house he was now living in and owned. That's sometimes how God works. That precise. Maybe MJ would actually be shocked to see how accurate his own words now are. (If we are on the right track).

Just another thought I had.
:cheers:

[AllForMJ]

I have it notated as of 12/31/06
Thanks for the info, STATEofSHOCK.
:flowers:

12/31/06, huh? Well, we've got another one that ties in. His demo has surfaced and he's saying "Love Never Felt So Good."

That's nice. He feels the love that's coming from her. He needed that. And those positive love songs are just rolling in.

Also, I see that Ape has visited and answered your post. She gave you a cool answer. I've been preoccupied with trying to not let this thread be taking over by those few that try to inject negativity into it. When that happened with the very first thread, I asked the Mods to delete the thread and after it was deleted, many wanted it back. Now it is back and it seems like many are visiting it from looking at the number of views. So, this time I told myself if anyone tries to throw it off track because they can't handle the thought of Michael Jackson being in love, I'm just going to redirect the thread and they'll just have to go somewhere else to be upset about his happiness. Jealously should never be followed by destruction. It's selfish and it's wrong. It's also worthless.

[LindaC781]

So what you are saying is that MJ may have found someone online?? That's completely feasible. Really. I think that being online is about as anonymous as you can get...after all you don't even need to go by your real name in order to chat with others...

[AllForMJ]

I am so exhausted lately but I really want to write something. I haven't fully read through all the posts since I've been away but skimmed through and saw SOS wanted someone to comment so I'll try to put in my two bits since I could see another angle to it.
I'll post in red for Luuuuuuuuuv :P

OK I am going to post this. I am too tired to read it over to make sure it makes sense or to decide whether I even should post it. They are simply possibilities of the unknown. I am just open to possibilities but don't know how close to truth it may or may not be. I am not one of those people who are "in the know" lol...guess that's why I feel free to say whatever comes to mind.

Oh I also wanted to share a thought I had while away (Im on my aunts computer again.) Many of his songs and poems and such could have had a particular person in mind, could have been inspired from another person, or various people. He could have had a completely different interpretation in mind about the songs and poems. But because God is most probably in the picture, He has made sense of them all and they all seem to fit so perfectly to be talking about this one love. God fit those pieces of the puzzle in even though MJ may have had entirely something else in mind. That they all seem to click together to tell a beautiful story just shows how meticulous God is in paying attention to details. The fine print..the little things that add up to big things. Maybe God is painting another story with MJ's own words that he never saw happening. Maybe he never saw that being an outcome but maybe it IS.

There was a small story on the movie "the Secret" if anyones seen it. It's about this man who made a dream board (I forget what he called it) and it was packed away for years. His son brought it out and asked what it was and when I was explaining it to his son he realized that the house he had cut out a photo of and pasted up on the board was actually the house he was now living in and owned. That's sometimes how God works. That precise. Maybe MJ would actually be shocked to see how accurate his own words now are. (If we are on the right track).

Just another thought I had.
:cheers:
You know, a lot of times when we are taking our steps in life, we don't always know why we're doing certain things. Sometimes, we do. Sometimes we don't. But, with many of us, we do hope that what we are doing is going to get us somewhere worth being.

Sometimes while we're taking these steps, we can't see what it is that God wants us to do. Sometimes, it's after we finish and look back that we can see what it was that He had in mind for us.

He moves us like chess pieces, you know? You can't always see where He's placing you until He's done and you take a look.

That's why God says...

Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.

I have found that it's very important to learn to do this. It makes life a lot less effortless and I am thankful that God allows us to find rest in Him. We can't do it all by ourselves. It's too complicated and we just aren't equipped to know everything. We have to allow ourselves to be led by The One that is.

It's when you allow God to move you that things fall into place. And when you are moving yourself, you want to make sure you're doing it in a way that He will approve of. When you do this, you're showing Him that you are learning from Him. You also will not go about your life in a way that is destructive to others.

This is what I admire about Michael Jackson and why I trust him. He doesn't resist God when God wants to move him and he doesn't go around destroying the lives of others when he's moving himself. He's a good person. He has a strong track record. Someone like him deserves to be loved and I just don't think that God would make him go without it. MJ has been putting a lot of time and effort into making other people happy and it's time for him to have some happiness too. It's long overdue. He can't keep giving and giving and giving and never getting.

Maybe God was just waiting for MJ to stand still for a while so he'll notice it when it's in front of him. He's never really had a chance to stand still because some many people were always pushing him to work and he was always putting everybody else before himself.

Remember how he said concert tours are very fleeting. That's him moving. He's passing through people's lives and they're passing through his life. You can't find your special someone when you're always moving like that and the people around him weren't giving him a chance to stand still.

Look at when he started singing about being in love. It's between the "Invincible" CD and now. It started happening during a time period when he wasn't working on a tight schedule.

Oh, there's something my mother said to me a little while ago while I was talking to her about him being in love and how he seems to be so much happier now. She said this time when he goes on tour he will be celebrating and he's going to take the happiness with him.

:yes:

[AllForMJ]

So what you are saying is that MJ may have found someone online?? That's completely feasible. Really. I think that being online is about as anonymous as you can get...after all you don't even need to go by your real name in order to chat with others...
Well, with the online thoughts, MJ has fans that care about him so much that when they do post online they often post their words in a way that he will definitely know they are meant for him. I think it is very important to do this and that it's one of the most loving things his fans could do.

His enemies that are dogging him are doing it online more than anywhere else. It takes place more online than via the airwaves. Media folks cannot devote a lot of air time to one person or subject because they are in the business to make money and they have to give their viewing audience a variety or they will lose them. So when it comes to putting in time to dog Michael, they do it online.

Having fans that love him as a person and can see him as the good person that he is will speak to him and of him as such. I think it's good to make sure he has nice things to read about himself for a change. He's a book worm. He loves to read. That's why he has so many books in his library. If he's going be reading about himself through the eyes of others, let's be thankful that he can read something nice, because it shouldn't always have to be dreadful. He didn't do anything to deserve all the dreadful writeups.

If he's getting something special out of what he sometimes reads, good for him. Something has to offset the madness. It's time.

Also, I don't think it would always be from him reading it himself, though I would not doubt at all that he'd go online from time to time. I think those that work for him would bring him nice things to read about himself as well. He's only one person and he has millions of fans. He can't monitor all the boards, so he would need some people to do it for him and bring it to him. This is the day and age of the Internet. For the entertainment world, it is the electronic way of getting fan mail.

Also, since he is a person that likes to get to know regular people, and is often unable to do so in person because his fans become so excited, he probably will sometimes chat with people anonymously just to enjoy the conversation. As long as he doesn't discuss his profession and give himself away, he'll be able to shoot the breeze. He is very down to earth. No one would even know they are talking to a very famous person. Mike's cool people.

[SoS]

Thanks for the info, STATEofSHOCK.
:flowers:

^ yw AFMJ :)

There is another aid to understandiing (in addition to dreams) which I believe God gives us to help us to understand things that are of Him, and that is patterns - be it pattterns in the stars, patterns in the clouds, patterns in the seasons, and what-have-you.

In that same sense, imho, we only need look at the patterns, to get a general idea of what is happening here.

If we go strictly by the music, it would seem to me that MJ first seemed to have his "eye on someone" as indicated on Thriller, where he says, "you know I think it'd be real nice if you and I could you know, get together, you're SUCH a PYT" - and he repeats "to me" in both versions which is from the orginal but added as an adlib to the album version -

and when you listen to duets of the time such as with his brother Jermaine - the earnestness with which he sings, "tell me this is real, tell me how you feel, say its what we both believe in" - or Say Say Say where he says, "standing here, baptized in all my tears, baby through the years you know I'm crying" , in The Girl is Mine he's talking about how he's been thinking deeply about this person from day 1, so this was the era of him "expressing his feelings or interest in "someone" to possibly include the serrendipitous theme of Someone In the Dark as well.

While the storybook album garnered him a Grammy, it also garnered him a fair share of trouble which is indicated by the fact that the product was pulled before it could make its way into the mainstream. It seems he took a big chance making that record, involving rights issues.

MJ actually began writing/singing/expressing about being in love per se with the release of Bad, when he said two things in that album - one being, "I just can't stop loving you" - the other being, "My lonely days are gone!" ("I've never looked so in love before!" Promise baby you'll love me forever more!!")

These two songs were both expressions of love and exuberant joy. That flow of joy was interrupted which is expressed starting in Dangerous where we got a LOT of clues of what happened that caused him much consternation, all the way through Invincible where he's talking about the exact same thing meaning the pattern or 'theme' or "point" didn't change.
I believe the reason for that is revealed in yet another pattern. There are a number of songs where MJ says that no matter how he tries, he can't "get through". The first time was in Say,Say,Say (what can I do, Girl to get through to you, because I love you)

Even in Got the Hots he mentions "getting through" to her, a song also written during one of the previous album eras.

Hence, he spends every album trying to "get through" as he hammers the same theme "home" throughout.

From Dangerous through Invincible, one action is mentioned systematically in the romantic songs of each album and he eludes to it again as recent as the box set of 2004 when he changed the original lyric from "turn away" to "run away".

In that song he also says, "I haven't left you alone" - which is what he'd mentioned in both the Dangerous and the HIStory albums as well.

Speaking of HIStory, the only love song on the HIStory album is a song about someone who will ALWAYS be in his heart even though she left unexpectedly, eg., "you never said goodbye" "you are always in my heart".

On the following album, Invincible the same thing is expressed and with the same sentiment, "even though I had to let you go, you and me, we will always be"

That pattern changed (of lamenting one who unexpectedly left) with the release of One More Chance where he begins to assume responsibility and seems to be referring to the "last time' because of his repeated use of the phrase, "this time".

OMC would also usher in an era where he'd be assuming full responsibility for everything in his life.

In the adlib of OMC, he is shouting, "tell her its all on me!" as if to say, "I'm being a man about things so hey - "my bad" (whether it was truly all on him or not bless his heart) - and so lets just give this one more chance".

Ironically One More Chance came out just pior to trouble in November 2003, which ironically gave her just the heads up needed to be prepared to 'stand in the gap' for him. This is why I believe it may just be a purely spiritual relationship, where she could 'feel' him needing her. She answered the "call" to him in two ways. First from the song, then from the troubles that required her spiritual, morale support and attention.

Everything after OMC seem to be songs of "reassurance" eg., Fall Again he says, "I haven't left you alone", in The Way You Love Me he says, "I love the way how you're __ ... , it doesn't matter how you __ ... you'll see", in Got the Hots he says, "I've got a heart beating just for you, Girl" - in For All Time, of course speaks for itself and there's an adlib at the end where he says, "no that's no lie", and his lines in Hold My Hand are also very reassuring as well as the title's theme. In The Girl is Mine 2008 he says, "you know you know I care"

What the pattern of reassurance tells me is that although he was very upset, (he'd said some pretty harsh things, perhaps fearing making her feel 'hated'), that he underrstands things a lot differently now, after going through that crises. During a crises the truth in peoples' feelings come to the surface.


The other thing I have observed is that whenever MJ does a song that is written by someone else, the most important expressions to me, in those songs are in the adlibs where he says what he wants, possibly even spontaneously.

At any rate, what this patterning tells me is after all those years of him focusing on the one thing, which is expressed from song to song, he ultimately "came" to understand something very key and has "changed his tune" and is now singing about that instead, which is someone he thought didn't love him, and now he knows she does. He went from, "If You Don't Love Me" to, "The Way You Love Me".

The most recent releases are also beginning to reveal another pattern.

MJ singing about "time". The theme of "time" began with the release of the box set in 2004, with Fall Again. He mentions "time" again in For All Time. In Got the Hots he said, "time will be all our lives". In Hold My Hand he said, "this life won't last forever" and further indicates time by, "tell me what we're waiting for"

When it was mentioned about One More Chance being the result of a spiritual epiphany he may have had, it made sense. This could have been a mutual spiritual epiphany in fact because, do you remember how many fans just prior to the "arrest" had been saying they'd had "premonitions" that something was going to happen? Imagine someone "spiritually" in tuned with him having that feeling all the more. Could it be that the actual experience of a crises ultimately showed him where her heart truly was toward him once and for all?

That's what I believe when I hear The Way You Love Me.

The whole song is about him letting someone know that he is aware of the "manner" in which she loves him. Notice that he mentions kissing LAST too. This is not a song about making love. Its a song about "manner" or "type" of love it is.

As a way of approaching this, I'd decided to forego looking at anything except the patterning alone, and these patterns mentioned are part of the patterns that I see.

Ape, so good to see you! I love the "dream theory"! I know nothing about things like "lucid dreaming" and yet I do somehow still believe that people can visit one another in their dream-state. I don't know that I've ever heard of people being "introduced" that way, but may be possible? Your very presence brings back to mind something else you'd mentioned which I've really been thinking about but will have to write later. Meanwhile, I love this point too:


Oh I also wanted to share a thought I had while away (Im on my aunts computer again.) Many of his songs and poems and such could have had a particular person in mind, could have been inspired from another person, or various people. He could have had a completely different interpretation in mind about the songs and poems. But because God is most probably in the picture, He has made sense of them all and they all seem to fit so perfectly to be talking about this one love. God fit those pieces of the puzzle in even though MJ may have had entirely something else in mind. That they all seem to click together to tell a beautiful story just shows how meticulous God is in paying attention to details. The fine print..the little things that add up to big things. Maybe God is painting another story with MJ's own words that he never saw happening. Maybe he never saw that being an outcome but maybe it IS.

God works in myterious ways, that is for sure. :yes:

[AllForMJ]

You know what, STATEofSHOCK? This is what I gotta say to you!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

You turned the spirituality on HIGH! That was really, really NICE! Yes, GOTTA read those patterns!

Reading the patterns will help ALL to see that God is ALIVE and HE is working things out in MJ's life. MJ's nights of crying alone were heard by God and God sent someone to him, but only when he truly needed her the most. If God had sent her to him during one of the fleeting moments, MJ would have been too busy and moving to fast to notice her. Their relationship would probably had been short-lived too because he was being pulled in so many different directions and had so many demands on him that were based on his profession.

God is The One that created time and no one would know more about perfect timing than Him. God knew exactly when to send her. Nobody knows Michael Jackson better than God. God knows about MJ's level of strength and tolerance. He knows exactly how much MJ can take and how long MJ can wait. God most definitely timed it and with MJ being very spiritual he would also be reading patterns and would notice the timing. He would also know to do exactly what he did in "The Way You Love Me." He said, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you."

I'm also looking at the fact that it is God that gave MJ all the talents that he have and maybe, before having MJ meet her, he wanted to use him to touch the world in a positive way with the music that He's been sending through him. There's a reason why MJ is the only one that's on the level that he's on. There's a reason why he is so strong. There's a reason why he's been able to become the most famous man in the world yet still remain humble. There's reason why he has a high tolerance level. Someone had posted a story here at MJJC about this person who went to school with MJ. The person was mocking MJ about always reading the Bible. Well, there's a reason why God also kept him connected to The Word.

:yes:

[SoS]

God is The One that created time and no one would know more about perfect timing than Him.


Well, there's a reason why God also kept him connected to The Word

Absolutely to both of those.

I appreciate the acknowledgement of that making sense btw, and I'm glad you enjoyed those points.

Its interesting to me how "time" ironically needed to pass in order for patterns to become established in the music and even as that was happening, MJ was establishing himself firmly at the top of his song writing-producing game.

Had these two people actually gotten together in the ways they may have wished, these patterns would not have been established AND there's no telling how out of order things might have been.


If God had sent her to him during one of the fleeting moments, MJ would have been too busy and moving to fast to notice her. Their relationship would probably had been short-lived too because he was being pulled in so many different directions and had so many demands on him that were based on his profession.

Exactly.


For everything there is a time and season for every purpose under heaven.

One thing for sure.

With God there is no time. There is no distance. There is no space.

Well I guess that's three things.

Well, ok, one thing for sure,

The Alpha and the Omega has got it all covered.

[AllForMJ]

Yes, Alpha and Omega most definitely covers it. He is the beginning and the end. He is the Ruler of the Universe and everything therein. He's also the mightiest warrior alive that no one can defeat. When He's called on and He steps in, everybody on the wrong side of what's going on better step back cuz He stepped in to win.

[AllForMJ]

Seriously though, you have to be one lucky chic to have MJ in your life romantically. I know I shouldn't be saying this but... I wonder what's it's like... to.... make love to him... and I don't mean just sex but... it has to eb liek some sort of aurora of unity type of thing... you know what I mean?
TillitsGone, I've been thinking about how to respond to this and have been pulling some lines from MJ's songs to answer. Over the years, I think he's been letting us all know in bits and pieces. Of course, the only ones that truly know are the ones that have been there to share that moment with him.

Also, it's funny how you reduced the font size. That was cute. LOL

[TillitsGone]

TillitsGone, I've been thinking about how to respond to this and have been pulling some lines from MJ's songs to answer. Over the years, I think he's been letting us all know in bits and pieces. Of course, the only ones that truly know are the ones that have been there to share to moment with him.

Also, it's funny how you reduced the font size. That was cute. LOL

Hmm... yes you're right. Heh heh, I dunno... I guess I was in the mood to share my thought with you guys. Cuz when I look at pictures of him looking so good and fine, and add that on to his amazing, special personality... you can't help but wonder... what is he like behind closed doors :innocent: But thats another discussion (and site lol), so I'll leave it at that :cheeky:

[AllForMJ]

Hmm... yes you're right. Heh heh, I dunno... I guess I was in the mood to share my thought with you guys. Cuz when I look at pictures of him looking so good and fine, and add that on to his amazing, special personality... you can't help but wonder... what is he like behind closed doors :innocent: But thats another discussion (and site lol), so I'll leave it at that :cheeky:
Just to let you know ahead of time, I'm going to try and word it in a way to keep the discussion clean because it's easy to get carried away when venturing off into that territory. LOL

From listening to him over the years, I get the sense that it's a combination of things. Mental, spiritual, physical and loving combined with an extended amount of time.

I still have to pull the lyrics from various songs though.

Reminder: We've got to keep the discussion Rated-PG, or the Mods will put us all in check with a quickness. lol

[TillitsGone]

Got'cha girl. I may do a lil looking into myself. :flowers:

In The Dark... that can be interpreted anyway you like. Can be intimately, but what I see it as... maybe he found someone when he was in a very low point of his life, when things just weren't going the way they should, and then came a particular woman, hence the title "Did Michael Find Love In The Dark?" y'know... did that special angel come around wen he was down and out? *sigh* I guess you'll never know... usually I avoid these discussions cuz they are so emotional on a personal level for me but, you just have to take a chance and let some things into your life...

[SoS]

I was just thinking about something Ape said several posts back about what it must be like to be in a person's shoes whom MJ is singing about.

OK. Let's say there is "someone" who is getting these amazing "messages" via the songs of this amazing man.

Certainly its a blessing to be cherished by someone so wonderful as tilitsgone pointed out, or to be thought of so highly I guess would be my way of saying it. Until the time comes that she can talk to him however, in the meantime, have you ever wondered what else it could be like to be this dear woman?

For instance,

Upon realizing that even one song possibly/probably (or any she knows for a fact) involves her, does she listen casuually to the music and smile to herself?

Is she so humble that she never would imagine such a thing in a zillion years and so has been in denial that its even her?

If she is finally getting the "messages" however, does she concentrate on it for hours at a stretch to ensure she is hearing right?

Does she have time sufficient to even be paying that kind of attention? Does she squeeze it into her lunchbreaks from a job or stay up til the wee hours deciphering songs? Has she ever gotten someone to "listen" with her to have a "witness" that she isn't going crazy? Is this unusual "connection" a complete distraction to her daily routine?

Does she talk to family or intimate friends about any of it just to try and let off some steam and stay balanced? Would they understand her at all or do they shut her down saying she needs to "get out more"?

If they are aware that she and MJ "met" for a brief time years ago, are the people who care about her now urging her to let the past go and get on with her life?
Do they 'get' it at all? Would they lecture her about the unhealthiness of her "obsession"? Are her intimate associates even "fan" enough to even understand the attraction at all or are they too brainwashed by the media to even "hear" her?

Would any close fan-friend (or anyone close to her for that matter) be able to listen to her without feeling a twing of jealousy, envy or disbelief?

Does she have anyone to tallk to? If she went to a therapist (since that is supposed to be a guaranteed "safe" person to talk to) would the therapist break down and cry due to how lonely this poor woman's life must be to even believe something like this?

If she talks to a pastor or priest, would the clergyman tell her not to "worship idols"?

Is there even one human being who wouldn't in some way "freek out" or think she's :crazy: ?

What about others who swear they know who the songs are about and its everyone except her? lol

What kind of circumstance would someone in this situation describe it as when she meets other prospective mates? A "long distance" relationship?

Surely MJ would not want her putting her life "on hold" because of it, right or ... ? So what would she say when asked, "is there anyone in your life"?

Well, I guess the truest, safest answer there would be, "well, there's someone in my heart"

oh well,
I was just wondering if anyone except Ape (and me) found this aspect interesting.
Its easy to say, "it must be nice", and yet my question would be, has anyone considered what it must actually be LIKE? :scratch:

When I'd read that question, I felt that it was a very thoughtful one.

[Magicgirl]

Edit: This MJNI article was typed by Reeta everybody, Sorry my mistake for not mentioning it, Its Thank You to Reeta for her hard work.

Someone asked if he went in the chat-rooms. Michael looked blank, so someone shouted out, “the internet” and Michael said, “no.”


Source: King! issue #22, 1999.

I also think that even if a person chats online or has online friends - it is still not possible to find a right person for relationship, I was also looking for someone online - no chance, people are just fake and pretending to be what they are not and are mostly attracted to someone successful and who likes to "sell" himself/herself by presenting only best sides of himself/herself and I'm not that way and don't like this type of people as well. So if MJ had to present himself online as an ordinary person as he wouldn't want to say how successful he is - noone would pay attention on him more than just another online friend, no way to find a life partner this way!

[AllForMJ]

I was just thinking about something Ape said several posts back about what it must be like to be in a person's shoes whom MJ is singing about.

OK. Let's say there is "someone" who is getting these amazing "messages" via the songs of this amazing man.

Certainly its a blessing to be cherished by someone so wonderful as tilitsgone pointed out, or to be thought of so highly I guess would be my way of saying it. Until the time comes that she can talk to him however, in the meantime, have you ever wondered what else it could be like to be this dear woman?

For instance,

Upon realizing that even one song possibly/probably (or any she knows for a fact) involves her, does she listen casuually to the music and smile to herself?

Is she so humble that she never would imagine such a thing in a zillion years and so has been in denial that its even her?

If she is finally getting the "messages" however, does she concentrate on it for hours at a stretch to ensure she is hearing right?

Does she have time sufficient to even be paying that kind of attention? Does she squeeze it into her lunchbreaks from a job or stay up til the wee hours deciphering songs? Has she ever gotten someone to "listen" with her to have a "witness" that she isn't going crazy? Is this unusual "connection" a complete distraction to her daily routine?

Does she talk to family or intimate friends about any of it just to try and let off some steam and stay balanced? Would they understand her at all or do they shut her down saying she needs to "get out more"?

If they are aware that she and MJ "met" for a brief time years ago, are the people who care about her now urging her to let the past go and get on with her life?
Do they 'get' it at all? Would they lecture her about the unhealthiness of her "obsession"? Are her intimate associates even "fan" enough to even understand the attraction at all or are they too brainwashed by the media to even "hear" her?

Would any close fan-friend (or anyone close to her for that matter) be able to listen to her without feeling a twing of jealousy, envy or disbelief?

Does she have anyone to tallk to? If she went to a therapist (since that is supposed to be a guaranteed "safe" person to talk to) would the therapist break down and cry due to how lonely this poor woman's life must be to even believe something like this?

If she talks to a pastor or priest, would the clergyman tell her not to "worship idols"?

Is there even one human being who wouldn't in some way "freek out" or think she's :crazy: ?

What about others who swear they know who the songs are about and its everyone except her? lol

What kind of circumstance would someone in this situation describe it as when she meets other prospective mates? A "long distance" relationship?

Surely MJ would not want her putting her life "on hold" because of it, right or ... ? So what would she say when asked, "is there anyone in your life"?

Well, I guess the truest, safest answer there would be, "well, there's someone in my heart"

oh well,
I was just wondering if anyone except Ape (and me) found this aspect interesting.
Its easy to say, "it must be nice", and yet my question would be, has anyone considered what it must actually be LIKE? :scratch:

When I'd read that question, I felt that it was a very thoughtful one.
Hahahahahaha :lol: This was too funny!

In other words, it's either going straight over her head or driving her nuts, huh?! :lol:

[Ape]

I also think that even if a person chats online or has online friends - it is still not possible to find a right person for relationship, I was also looking for someone online - no chance, people are just fake and pretending to be what they are not and are mostly attracted to someone successful and who likes to "sell" himself/herself by presenting only best sides of himself/herself and I'm not that way and don't like this type of people as well. So if MJ had to present himself online as an ordinary person as he wouldn't want to say how successful he is - noone would pay attention on him more than just another online friend, no way to find a life partner this way!
:lol: cute moment about his answer for chatting. Yes he may never come on, though 1999 was a long time ago...chatrooms can be really awful places as well at times. There are many ways to get to know people online other than just chatroms, and I do think that ultimately people need to meet in person to know how real each other are, though I do believe people can know one another very well through this form of communication. It is similar to writing letters though a bit more instant. Still, in person is best. I disagree with him not being paid attention to. I don't think people really pay attention to someone spouting off about how successful they are when online because people who do that don't sound very interesting, for one, and are most likely making it up. The people who seem to catch peoples "eye" online are the ineteresting ones. The ones with personality (I think) so offline "success" doesn't really come into play online. Personality can shine through ones words and actions. though hard to get a really clear picture of ones actions from online. But I don't mean to get off topic.

SOS, thank you for mentioning me :) I like to put myself in anothers shoes to try to understand how things are for them. I don't think it would be easy if she doesn't completely know that these songs are for her. I could really see someone being "in the dark" about it. I don't know Michael Jackson but I would imagine someone hed fall for would be humble and may not get it.

[summer]

I was just thinking about something Ape said several posts back about what it must be like to be in a person's shoes whom MJ is singing about.

OK. Let's say there is "someone" who is getting these amazing "messages" via the songs of this amazing man.

Certainly its a blessing to be cherished by someone so wonderful as tilitsgone pointed out, or to be thought of so highly I guess would be my way of saying it. Until the time comes that she can talk to him however, in the meantime, have you ever wondered what else it could be like to be this dear woman?

For instance,

Upon realizing that even one song possibly/probably (or any she knows for a fact) involves her, does she listen casuually to the music and smile to herself?

Is she so humble that she never would imagine such a thing in a zillion years and so has been in denial that its even her?

If she is finally getting the "messages" however, does she concentrate on it for hours at a stretch to ensure she is hearing right?

Does she have time sufficient to even be paying that kind of attention? Does she squeeze it into her lunchbreaks from a job or stay up til the wee hours deciphering songs? Has she ever gotten someone to "listen" with her to have a "witness" that she isn't going crazy? Is this unusual "connection" a complete distraction to her daily routine?

Does she talk to family or intimate friends about any of it just to try and let off some steam and stay balanced? Would they understand her at all or do they shut her down saying she needs to "get out more"?

If they are aware that she and MJ "met" for a brief time years ago, are the people who care about her now urging her to let the past go and get on with her life?
Do they 'get' it at all? Would they lecture her about the unhealthiness of her "obsession"? Are her intimate associates even "fan" enough to even understand the attraction at all or are they too brainwashed by the media to even "hear" her?

Would any close fan-friend (or anyone close to her for that matter) be able to listen to her without feeling a twing of jealousy, envy or disbelief?

Does she have anyone to tallk to? If she went to a therapist (since that is supposed to be a guaranteed "safe" person to talk to) would the therapist break down and cry due to how lonely this poor woman's life must be to even believe something like this?

If she talks to a pastor or priest, would the clergyman tell her not to "worship idols"?

Is there even one human being who wouldn't in some way "freek out" or think she's :crazy: ?

What about others who swear they know who the songs are about and its everyone except her? lol

What kind of circumstance would someone in this situation describe it as when she meets other prospective mates? A "long distance" relationship?

Surely MJ would not want her putting her life "on hold" because of it, right or ... ? So what would she say when asked, "is there anyone in your life"?

Well, I guess the truest, safest answer there would be, "well, there's someone in my heart"

oh well,
I was just wondering if anyone except Ape (and me) found this aspect interesting.
Its easy to say, "it must be nice", and yet my question would be, has anyone considered what it must actually be LIKE? :scratch:

When I'd read that question, I felt that it was a very thoughtful one.

:lol: That was cute, SOS! :lol: Who knows how "she" (if there is one...(Gosh, I sound like MJ now! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:)), would react...it's pretty much anyone's guess. I mean, I guess there are a lot of songs that a lot of girls could relate to some way (at least in their dreams...:hysterical: )...so I think anyone who'd be "sane" would probably doubt it's about themselves in particular. I mean, "coincidences" do happen. :lol: I mean, there are probably a few hundred THOUSAND girls who think MJ is singing about THEM or TO THEM....in their dreams. :doh: :lmao: But let's say he was singing to some girl in particular or about some girl in particular...don't you think it would be FRUSTRATING to have him sing all these love songs and then not contact her? :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, if I were that girl I'd be like "Okay Mike...I get the point...now could you please finally CALL ME!!" :timer: :lol: :lol: :lol:



I also think that even if a person chats online or has online friends - it is still not possible to find a right person for relationship, I was also looking for someone online - no chance, people are just fake and pretending to be what they are not and are mostly attracted to someone successful and who likes to "sell" himself/herself by presenting only best sides of himself/herself and I'm not that way and don't like this type of people as well. So if MJ had to present himself online as an ordinary person as he wouldn't want to say how successful he is - noone would pay attention on him more than just another online friend, no way to find a life partner this way!

Actually I have to disagree with you. It is very well possible to find good people in the internet. I agree that there are a lot of "scumbags" around...a lot of fake people around...But there are good people too. And you'd be surprised who all you can meet online. I have friends I met like TEN YEARS ago online, and I'm still friends with them. One just have to be careful and look for red flags, but usually you can tell who's fake pretty quickly. However....I do think that it could be difficult for Michael to make friends online...The reason I think that is simple: Honesty and trust. You know, he could not really share what he does for a living, where he lives, etc...all things that one does need to know to be able to become REAL friends and to be able to trust someone. You know, he'd have to be "evasive" about the really PERSONAL stuff, and that could cause people to not really trust him. I mean, I guess as "chat friends" that could work, but then the whole thing would remain "shallow" anyways. Or if he came up with some fake story, I think he'd get caught sooner or later and then people would think he's a fake and a liar...so it's possible that it would not be easy for him online either. But who knows...

[TialovesMJ]

[QUOTE=summer;1590871]:lol: That was cute, SOS! :lol: Who knows how "she" (if there is one...(Gosh, I sound like MJ now! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:)), would react...it's pretty much anyone's guess. I mean, I guess there are a lot of songs that a lot of girls could relate to some way (at least in their dreams...:hysterical: )...so I think anyone who'd be "sane" would probably doubt it's about themselves in particular. I mean, "coincidences" do happen. :lol: I mean, there are probably a few hundred THOUSAND girls who think MJ is singing about THEM or TO THEM....in their dreams. :doh: :lmao: But let's say he was singing to some girl in particular or about some girl in particular...don't you think it would be FRUSTRATING to have him sing all these love songs and then not contact her? :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, if I were that girl I'd be like "Okay Mike...I get the point...now could you please finally CALL ME!!" :timer: :lol: :lol: :lol:




^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:lol: It would probably be pretty frustrating. Can you Imagine this lady, how she would react everytime the phone rings *ring ring* :wild: Is that Michael??..... Then its not Michael :(.. Yeah I bet she is like CALL ME already. LOL..:) Just a thought........

[Sdeidjs]

[QUOTE=summer;1590871]:lol: That was cute, SOS! :lol: Who knows how "she" (if there is one...(Gosh, I sound like MJ now! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:)), would react...it's pretty much anyone's guess. I mean, I guess there are a lot of songs that a lot of girls could relate to some way (at least in their dreams...:hysterical: )...so I think anyone who'd be "sane" would probably doubt it's about themselves in particular. I mean, "coincidences" do happen. :lol: I mean, there are probably a few hundred THOUSAND girls who think MJ is singing about THEM or TO THEM....in their dreams. :doh: :lmao: But let's say he was singing to some girl in particular or about some girl in particular...don't you think it would be FRUSTRATING to have him sing all these love songs and then not contact her? :doh: :lol: :lol: I mean, if I were that girl I'd be like "Okay Mike...I get the point...now could you please finally CALL ME!!" :timer: :lol: :lol: :lol:



:lol: It would probably be pretty frustrating. Can you Imagine this lady, how she would react everytime the phone rings *ring ring* :wild: Is that Michael??..... Then its not Michael :(.. Yeah I bet she is like CALL ME already. LOL..:) Just a thought........

Impressive thought..!

Smile~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[SoS]

:lmao: MAAAAAAN ...

...this sure is a COMPASSIONATE bunch!!! :lol:


I guess there are a lot of songs that a lot of girls could relate to some way at least in their dreams...:hysterical: ) ...so I think anyone who'd be "sane" would probably doubt it's about themselves in particular. I mean, "coincidences" do happen.

On a serious note this does make sense - and it seems logical that whether these songs are about the same "someone" or not, it doesn't have to necessarily speak to MJ's intentions in 3-D life one way or the other so until he makes it known, everybody can dream lol.

I agree he sounds intentional as these stories are layed out and pieced together, its just it doesn't necessarily mean he has to be, because as Summer said, there are indeed such things as coincidences. Now if the new material contains an actual name, that would be a different "story" and probably a complete shocker to "whomever" lol

I believe though that artists sometimes have 'muses' ol sorts, that is to say, something (or someone) to 'inspire' a song, or a story. Nothing wrong or unsusual about it really. Some dear woman or women, could easily serve as that for MJ for this seemingly "unfolding" saga. . . someone whom he could even be a little afraid that if he were to touch in real life, could evaporate as the "muse" she may have been serving as, all these years. Just something to consider along with everything else, y'know -

EDITED OUT song camparison nvm

Meanwhile, as MJ keeps laying out those patterns, we get to see the great "story-teller" weave his magic, because it does seem as though, whether fiction or non - that he is aiming for a beginning, middle and a ....

completion to the story

... as Someone in the Dark









continues


:lol:




Hahahahahaha :lol: This was too funny!

In other words, it's either going straight over her head or driving her nuts, huh?! :lol:

exactly :)

oh. I had one last thought on that "other thing" y'all were just talking about a few short posts ago.

I have the feeling that if indeed "it doesn't matter" to MJ - then - "it doesn't matter" to someone who loves him The Way she loves him, either :) :cheeky: just wanted to say that

Ok I'm done for a while :lol: cyall later

[LindaC781]

Did you guys ever think that she may have heard this, and was too afraid or too shy to say anything publicly? That SHE values his privacy as much as HE does?? That's what I think. She is truly in love with him, and wants him to be happy. And if it's reflecting in his music, that's what makes her happy. What makes her happy and content is seeing HIM happy and content. And that is all she lives for...she must truly love him to support him through all he's been through. He truly wants and needs her, and she the same...

[Magicgirl]

After listening to some songs at youtube I think during the years there was this theme in MJ's songs about "being there". Where "there"? Maybe under the giving tree or at some definite place? Is he waiting for her at some definite place? Anyway only both of them know where.

I'll be there
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You and I must make a pact, we must bring salvation back
Where there is love, Ill be there

Ill reach out my hand to you, Ill have faith in all you do
Just call my name and Ill be there

Ill be there to comfort you,
Build my world of dreams around you, Im so glad that I found you
Ill be there with a love thats strong
Ill be your strength, Ill keep holding on

Let me fill your heart with joy and laughter
Togetherness, well thats all Im after
Whenever you need me, Ill be there
Ill be there to protect you, with an unselfish love that respects you
Just call my name and Ill be there

If you should ever find someone new, I know hed better be good to you
cause if he doesnt, Ill be there
Dont you know, baby, yeah yeah
Ill be there, Ill be there, just call my name, Ill be there

(just look over your shoulders, honey - oo)

Ill be there, Ill be there, whenever you need me, Ill be there
Dont you know, baby, yeah yeah

Ill be there, Ill be there, just call my name, Ill be there...


One day in your life
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One day in your life
Youll remember a place
Someone touching your face
Youll come back and youll look around, youll . . .

One day in your life
Youll remember the love you found here
Youll remember me somehow
Though you dont need me now
I will stay in your heart
And when things fall apart
Youll remember one day . . .

One day in your life
When you find that youre always waiting
For a love we used to share
Just call my name, and Ill be there

Youll remember me somehow
Though you dont need me now
I will stay in your heart
And when things fall apart
Youll remember one day . . .

One day in your life
When you find that youre always lonely
For a love we used to share
Just call my name, and Ill be there

Will you be there
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Hold me
Like the river jordan
And I will then say to thee
You are my friend

Carry me
Like you are my brother
Love me like a mother
Will you be there?

Weary
Tell me will you hold me
When wrong, will you skold me
When lost will you find me?

But they told me
A man should be faithful
And walk when not able
And fight till the end
But Im only human

Everyones taking control of me
Seems that the worlds
Got a role for me
Im so confused
Will you show to me
Youll be there for me
And care enough to bear me

(lead me)
(lay your head lowly)
(softly then boldly)
(carry me there)

(hold me)
(love me and feed me)
(kiss me and free me)
(I will feel blessed)

(carry)
(carry me boldly)
(lift me up slowly)
(carry me there)

(save me)
(heal me and bathe me)
(softly you say to me)
(I will be there)

(lift me)
(lift me up slowly)
(carry me boldly)
(show me you care)

(hold me)
(lay your head lowly)
(softly then boldly)
(carry me there)

(need me)
(love me and feed me)
(kiss me and free me)
(I will feel blessed)

(spoken)
In our darkest hour
In my deepest despair
Will you still care?
Will you be there?
In my trials
And my tripulations
Through our doubts
And frustrations
In my violence
In my turbulence
Through my fear
And my confessions
In my anguish and my pain
Through my joy and my sorrow
In the promise of another tomorrow
Ill never let you part
For youre always in my heart.

And the last theme of "being there" is in "Hold my hand":

This life don't last forever (hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waitin for (hold my hand)
We're Better off being together (hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone (hold my hand)

Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be alright.
Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold
We hold eachother till we see the sunlight

So each of them had been "there", but at different times and they somehow missed each other? So where is this place?

[SoS]

^ that reminds me of a lyric in She Drives Me Wild


Come To The Place
Shock Tacy
And You Know Damn Well
You Know What I Mean
Hot In The Face
One And 3


:brow:

Ok I'm through for real now :lol: this thread is pure addiction! :giggle:

[Sdeidjs]

So what you are saying is that MJ may have found someone online?? That's completely feasible. Really. I think that being online is about as anonymous as you can get...after all you don't even need to go by your real name in order to chat with others...

Anything in Life is possible...

Smile~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is the Key"

[AllForMJ]

One thing is for sure....

Between the "Invincible CD" and now, he went from putting out love songs with doubts, to putting out love songs with no doubts.

Mr. Man has been turned on! "Got The Hots" says it ALL!! :lol: :lol:

[TialovesMJ]

^^ you got that right!!:D :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Annnnnnnd his demo for "Love Never Felt So Good" has surfaced. Where did it come from? Did it come from his vault of goodies?

In addition to this, the love song "For All Time" mentions "good love" too!

Sooooo, the love story continues as what? As the mystery unfolds. LOL

[TialovesMJ]

Dun, dun, dun............................ :D:lol:

[LindaC781]

I think its AllForMJ....SHE was the one who started this whole thread...she's been givin ole MJ some "good love"....my sleuthing capabilities are just astounding..even to myself...;)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ hehehe :lol: :) cute if it is.

[Ape]

Arrrrghh come on already Mr Mike. Put us out of our misery and an end to this thread and finish the mystery. Pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase if you haven't already, just go get the girl. Hitch up and live happily ever after and show us all your beaming smile that she put on your face. How about that? It feels like the end of the story is near (lol... beginning?) So how about appeasing us with an ending to this love story?

So whaddya all think? Will this work?? :lol:

[LindaC781]

Naw...since when does he do that?? He is MYSTERIOUS...but we'll find out sooner or later...

[AllForMJ]

I think its AllForMJ....SHE was the one who started this whole thread...she's been givin ole MJ some "good love"....my sleuthing capabilities are just astounding..even to myself...;)
Linda, you almost deSTROYED my computer!! LOL

I came in here and saw your post, typed the words, "Saaaaaayyyyyy whaaaaaaaaaaaat?" and then my computer FROZE!! I rebooted, logged back on and it FROZE again!! I rebooted again and now I get to say Saaaaaayyyyyy whaaaaaaaaaaaat? again!!
:lol:

Whatchu doin', girl?! LOL

Seriously, though, I initially started this thread because one day it dawned on me that MJ's song "The Way You Love Me" starts off with the line, "I was alone in the dark when I met you" and that this line caused "The Way You Love Me" to tie in with "Someone In The Dark." "Someone In The Dark" is about a friend finding him. The first line of "Someone In The Dark" is "All alone wishing on stars waiting for you to find me." "The Way You Love Me" also has a line that says, "I was alone there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." I thought it was interesting that both songs mentioned the dark.

Since "Someone in the Dark" is about being found and "The Way You Love Me" is about being loved and someone coming to him in time, I decided to title the thread, "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark."

Also, for years there have been discusions about MJ's money and discussions about those accusations. All of this was being driven by the media. And MJ even ended up going through that trial because of a media person. Well, while he was going through that trial, he was also releasing music. He was releasing love songs that didn't feel anything like the ones he had released in '01. He had even released a love song before the trial where he sounds like his tone had changed. From time to time during the MJJF days, I had kept saying MJ was in love. Many were not listening to me, but as time went on, he put out another song that shows he's in love which is "For All Time." After that I felt that I should create a thread about him being in love because not only was he singing about it, but he was also starting to act like it. I figured if there were discussions about everything else, there should also be one about what he was saying in "Beautiful Girl" because it's a part of his life too. It's a part of his life that is not hurting him.

It's never been hard to tell when Michael Jackson is in love. There's a certain way that he acts when he is and he's acting like that now. Actually, he's been acting like it for a while. There's also a certain sound to his music when he's in love. It wasn't present during the time that he released "Invincible." It came shortly afterwards and has been present ever since.

:yes:

When he's ready, he'll let everyone know who she is.

[Ape]

yes but this is like reading a romance novel that refuses to have an ending....hmmm...kind of a sweet thought really. Like the love that refuses to quit, loving without ending...

alrighty, I'll accept that. (note to self: go buy paperback romance novel...see what they are all about)

how odd... my computer says 1:11 and it says I posted at 11:14. Somehow there was a time warp. AllForMJ my computer was acting up too. It's a lightening show here so it's to be expected for me.

[AllForMJ]

He was defending himself in court, fighting back with all the strength he had, and while doing all of that, he was showing his love for someone at the same time. I felt it deserved a thread just like everything else. His music changed and it feels like it's going to change so more. It's veering away from heartache. He said he needed one more chance at love and it feels like he's decided to go for it.

My computer froze because of Linda! She almost shut it down with her post! My computer lost its mind!
:lol:

[Ape]

And we are his cheer leading squad! *GO* *GO* *GO FOR IT* *M**J* (*those are the pom poms)

*does cartwheels and lands in bed fast asleep*

[TialovesMJ]

hehehe :lol:.....

[AllForMJ]

*Copying Ape*
*does cartwheels and lands in bed fast asleep*

I gotta go to work in the morning. Shoot it's already morning and we got MJbabe21 up here laughing at 1:30 a.m. like it's 1:30 in the afternoon.
:lol:

Nite-nite, MJbabe21
:lol:

[LindaC781]

He was defending himself in court, fighting back with all the strength he had, and while doing all of that, he was showing his love for someone at the same time. I felt it deserved a thread just like everything else. His music changed and it feels like it's going to change so more. It's veering away from heartache. He said he needed one more chance at love and it feels like he's decided to go for it.

My computer froze because of Linda! She almost shut it down with her post! My computer lost its mind!
:lol:

OMG!! ROFLMAO!! Thanks a lot!! I just had to run to the BATHROOM I was laughing that hard!! :yes::D:bounce

[TialovesMJ]

*Copying Ape*
*does cartwheels and lands in bed fast asleep*

I gotta go to work in the morning. Shoot it's already morning and we got MJbabe21 up here laughing at 1:30 a.m. like it's 1:30 in the afternoon.
:lol:

Nite-nite, MJbabe21
:lol:


:lol: true that!!hahaha this thread can keep someone up that late hehehe :D.. well good morning now haha!!AllForMJ, we must be in the same time zones.

[summer]

Holy cow, how long is this thread gonna get? :lol: I think this one will go down in MJJC history! For SURE! :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Hmm... yes you're right. Heh heh, I dunno... I guess I was in the mood to share my thought with you guys. Cuz when I look at pictures of him looking so good and fine, and add that on to his amazing, special personality... you can't help but wonder... what is he like behind closed doors :innocent: But thats another discussion (and site lol), so I'll leave it at that :cheeky:
Okay, done pulling lines from songs to answer your post. It seems like private time with him is mental, physical, spiritual, loving and takes a while. lol

MENTAL PART:

"Rock With You"
Relax your mind
Lay back and groove with mine

"Break Of Dawn"
There's imagination workin', never been there before

PHYSICAL PART (But, it's not just physical--it's rhythmical)

"Rock With You"
Let that rhythm get into you

"Got The Hots"
Get up and rock it to the rhythm

"Beautiful Girl"
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms

He says he let's music tell him what to do when he's dancing to it. Now, keeping that in mind, he'll most likely take the same approach while dancing to this other kind of music. Read between the lines, ladies. Read between the lines and leave it at that! LOL Ya know what I'm sayin'?

SPIRITUAL PART:

"Who Is It"
I gave her passion, my very soul

DURATION:

"Rock With You"
I wanna rock with you
(All night)
Dance you into day
(Sunlight)

"Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"
So let love take us through the hours

"Break Of Dawn"
You and me makin' love all the way through another night

AND, don't forget in 2001 he said he's nocturnal!! This means, his girl gotta take a nap...not a cat nap...a long nap...during the day...and take high potency vitamins after 9pm cuz Mike's gonna keep her up all night!!

LOVING PART:

"Break Of Dawn"
Just this magic in your eyes and in my heart

"Break Of Dawn"
Kiss and touch

"Butterflies"
I just wanna touch and kiss

And then there are things in his songs that I'm gonna leave out, because you can easily find it on your own while reading the lyrics of his "Invincible" CD and others. He's being very revealing. He loves doin' the grown up. LOL

As he said in "Blood On The Dance Floor," "To escape the world I got to enjoy that simple dance."

There's a reason why his ex's still talk about him for years after becoming ex's! He's "Dr. Heat" :lol:

[LindaC781]

Okay, done pulling lines from songs to answer your post. It seems like private time with him is mental, physical, spiritual, loving and takes a while. lol

MENTAL PART:

"Rock With You"
Relax your mind
Lay back and groove with mine

"Break Of Dawn"
There's imagination workin', never been there before

PHYSICAL PART (But, it's not just physical--it's rhythmical)

"Rock With You"
Let that rhythm get into you

"Got The Hots"
Get up and rock it to the rhythm

"Beautiful Girl"
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms

He says he let's music tell him what to do when he's dancing to it. Now, keeping that in mind, he'll most likely take the same approach while dancing to this other kind of music. Read between the lines, ladies. Read between the lines and leave it at that! LOL Ya know what I'm sayin'?

SPIRITUAL PART:

"Who Is It"
I gave her passion, my very soul

DURATION:

"Rock With You"
I wanna rock with you
(All night)
Dance you into day
(Sunlight)

"Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"
So let love take us through the hours

"Break Of Dawn"
You and me makin' love all the way through another night

AND, don't forget in 2001 he said he's nocturnal!! This means, his girl gotta take a nap...not a cat nap...a long nap...during the day...and take high potency vitamins after 9pm cuz Mike's gonna keep her up all night!!

LOVING PART:

"Break Of Dawn"
Just this magic in your eyes and in my heart

"Break Of Dawn"
Kiss and touch

"Butterflies"
I just wanna touch and kiss

And then there are things in his songs that I'm gonna leave out, because you can easily find it on your own while reading the lyrics of his "Invincible" CD and others. He's being very revealing. He loves doin' the grown up. LOL

As he said in "Blood On The Dance Floor," "To escape the world I got to enjoy that simple dance."

There's a reason why his ex's still talk about him for years after becoming ex's! He's "Dr. Heat" :lol:

YER a FRESH WOMAN. REALLY REALLY FRESH. Thank you very much. I couldn't SLEEP last night thinking about this last entry...and what he was saying in those lyrics. I know what you are talking about....yep, I know those parts of those songs....

[summer]

"Break Of Dawn"
There's imagination workin', never been there before



That's my FAVORITE line from all the MJ songs!! :kickass: :lol: :lol: :lol: I love the whole Break Of Dawn, but that part is my favorite. :yes:

I can remember hearing Break Of Dawn for the first time. I was convinced I hear the lyrics wrong! :wild: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I was like "Okay, let me listen to that song again...I am not sure I heard the lyrics correctly...!" :wild: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[AllForMJ]

That's my FAVORITE line from all the MJ songs!! :kickass: :lol: :lol: :lol: I love the whole Break Of Dawn, but that part is my favorite. :yes:

I can remember hearing Break Of Dawn for the first time. I was convinced I hear the lyrics wrong! :wild: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I was like "Okay, let me listen to that song again...I am not sure I heard the lyrics correctly...!" :wild: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:
Yep, that IS a nice line, isn't it?! LOL What a man! :D


YER a FRESH WOMAN. REALLY REALLY FRESH. Thank you very much. I couldn't SLEEP last night thinking about this last entry...and what he was saying in those lyrics. I know what you are talking about....yep, I know those parts of those songs....
Oops!! Didn't mean to cause a case of sleep deprivation! Sorrrryyyyy!! :lol:

One thing about Mike is he's NEVER been too shy to sing songs about intimacy. Singing these type of love songs is like second nature to him!
:yes:

Yayyy!! :lol:

[summer]

Yeah, but thank God, Michael makes the songs and lyrics classy...or he leaves it up to your imagination to figure out what the song is about! :lol: Unlike some rappers who are just too graphic...

[TialovesMJ]

^^^hahaha thats true. hmm rappers today do make it wayy to obvious . And then they make it sound all trashy grrrrrrrrrrr.. Go MJ!

[AllForMJ]

I grew up in the inner city. I remember when "Too $hort" was selling his rap song "Freak Tales" out of the trunk of his car. He's the one that started the word "biatch." I also remember that girls would always pass over him and talk about his grill (i.e., teeth) and I think it all kinda pissed him off and eventually entered his songs. Now that he's a very successful recording artist, and very wealthy too, the ladies are all over him. Funny how money changes some females, huh? But, it's already been done. His rap style has already taken off and so did the word "biatch." If we all recall, hanging from Bumble Bee's rear view mirror in the movie "Transformers" was a car freshener called Bee-atch.

But, I'm not going to go into a full discussion in this thread about rap music because this thread is not about that. It's about Michael Jackson being sprung on a mystery chick and him singing to her ever so romantically with his sexy self.

There's something that I've been wanting to post about her giving and MJ receiving and how it used to always be MJ giving and waiting to receive or getting dissed afterwards, but I gotta take a run. It's back to school time.

Until then, Mike is still sprung and it's oh so lovely!

[TillitsGone]

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to write that. This will surely stay in my mind tonit-AH!


Okay, done pulling lines from songs to answer your post. It seems like private time with him is mental, physical, spiritual, loving and takes a while. lol

MENTAL PART:

"Rock With You"
Relax your mind
Lay back and groove with mine

"Break Of Dawn"
There's imagination workin', never been there before

^^I love this particular part of the quote, because it reminds me of another song. It's by Floetry (most of you may know them as the ones who helped with "Butterflies") and it's called "Imagination".

Intro:
Music. There are so many things we can do. You can taste, you can touch, you can make moves. Just use your imagination. You are creation.

Hook:
There are so many things that we can do.
Use your imagination.
You can taste, you can touch, you can make moves.
Use you imagination.
Use you imagination.

Verse 1:
Close your eyes.
Let your expectations fade.
I’m your favorite memory.
Remember me.
Never again have you felt this way.
Lets improvise.
If you know how baby.
I can be you everything.

B-sec:
If you can’t recall,
I can show you who you are.
I see you.
I see your empire.
I see you so much higher.
It’s time to grow baby.
Use your imagination.

Hook:

Verse 2:
Open your mind,
Let your knowingness free.
I’m your favorite melody.
Listen to me.
Inside me is the universe.
Lets explore.
Searching for evidence,
Of a higher life force.

B-sec:
If you can’t recall,
I can show you who you are.
I see who you are.
I see you.
So let me nurture your reality.
It’s time grow baby.
Use your imagination

Hook:

Bridge:
It’s all perception my love.
All is how we read it.
We are more than we think.
Do you see?
I am of the All,
And the All is of me.
Imagine that,
Now Be.
Be.

Outro:
Use your imagination (repeat)
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[TialovesMJ]

[QUOTE=AllForMJ;1595746]

There's something that I've been wanting to post about her giving and MJ receiving and how it used to always be MJ giving and waiting to receive or getting dissed afterwards, .

QUOTE]

Wow :o.... MJ getting dissed aww!poor guy :(. well this time it seems like he is not :D :) good for him :D :yes: and it is lovely!

[DMGJACKSON]

Michael your so Beautiful.Hug.youv'e always been loved...
stay strong,hold faith ..keep shining your light bright !
8-23-08 (10:42pm)

[LindaC781]

Let's turn this thread around shall we? If YOU were the woman, what song would you have written for MJ to express how YOU feel?? I am definitely thinking "Butterflies"....

[TialovesMJ]

^^^ Speechless or You are my life is a good one too :yes:

[summer]

Let's turn this thread around shall we? If YOU were the woman, what song would you have written for MJ to express how YOU feel?? I am definitely thinking "Butterflies"....

Speechless. Without a doubt.

[Sdeidjs]

Let's turn this thread around shall we? If YOU were the woman, what song would you have written for MJ to express how YOU feel?? I am definitely thinking "Butterflies"....

Linda I am definately thinkin' "Someone In The Dark"

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[LindaC781]

^^^Yeah I can agree to that, Sdeidjs!

[summer]

I was listening to MJ's music on my iPod last night in bed before I went to sleep....I had my eyes closed already, and I was just trying to relax and listen to the music...and then I listened to The Girl Is Mine 2008 and I instantly opened my eyes during one part and I was like: :wild: :wild: :wild: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :huh: :huh: :huh:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

See, I've been "brainwashed" by this thread!!!! "Aren't you ashamed!! Young people are impressionable!!" :hysterical: :hysterical:

[mystygrl]

Let's turn this thread around shall we? If YOU were the woman, what song would you have written for MJ to express how YOU feel?? I am definitely thinking "Butterflies"....

Hey, this is a cool idea; especially in light of what AllForMJ mentioned regarding her thoughts on sharing that "this girl" is in a giving state when it used to be MJ always giving as well as waiting. Well, let's turn this up a notch because I am DEFINITELY thinking 'In The Closet'. Ahhh yessss, this is the song I would have written for him!!!:wub:


I was listening to MJ's music on my iPod last night in bed before I went to sleep....I had my eyes closed already, and I was just trying to relax and listen to the music...and then I listened to The Girl Is Mine 2008 and I instantly opened my eyes during one part and I was like: :wild: :wild: :wild: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :huh: :huh: :huh:


:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

See, I've been "brainwashed" by this thread!!!! "Aren't you ashamed!! Young people are impressionable!!" :hysterical: :hysterical:

Ashamed, muwahhh? Nahhhh, very PROUD!!! :D On another note, Summer, whenever I see your name I get this huge smile upon my face because I know you are going to make me laugh. And today, you have no idea how much I needed to laugh. Thanks.

Also, what do you people think about the song, 'I Need You' by 3T where MJ added his vocals? I read that it was dedicated to their Mom who is no longer with us but, I was thinking it could very well apply to "this woman" who MJ is fond of. For example, some of the lyrics taken from the song are:

I need you girl
I couldnt live a day without you
Well I tried to write a special song
A love song just for you

Baby I need you
Oh I need you (baby)
Couldnt live a day without you
More than anyone could ever know (more than anyone could ever know)
Couldnt live a day without you girl
I need you and I wanna build my world around you
I need you
I need you (I need you)

[TialovesMJ]

^^ It could be that MJ did possibly add his part in the song about the lady :D..Agreed.

[Ape]

Wow this really is like a soap opera. You HAVE to stick around and read it every day or you lose the plot and it's hard to go back to read the things from the past. So what is happening now? We learned that Pamela Anderson is the secret lady? lol. just teasing you all. and how about that new album...has it almost arrived yet? Please someone say yes. Just pacify me and nod your heads k? :D I kind of have lost the touch for adding in here. Not really sure there is anything new to say. I miss the new song though since I haven't been able to hear it for a long time.

[TialovesMJ]

Wow this really is like a soap opera. You HAVE to stick around and read it every day or you lose the plot and it's hard to go back to read the things from the past. So what is happening now? We learned that Pamela Anderson is the secret lady? lol. just teasing you all. and how about that new album...has it almost arrived yet? Please someone say yes. Just pacify me and nod your heads k? :D I kind of have lost the touch for adding in here. Not really sure there is anything new to say. I miss the new song though since I haven't been able to hear it for a long time.


:lol::rofl:about P.A.?... tease away about that :) hehehe. hmm I have no idea when the new album comes out?

[AllForMJ]

Verse from "Don't Walk Away," track 12 on the "Invincible" CD

See now why
All my dreams been broken
I don’t know where we’re going
With everything we said and all we done now
Don’t let go, I don’t wanna walk away

He tearfully sings various parts of this song. In this song he also asked, "How can I begin again and how am I to understand when there's nothing left to do but walk away?" Walking away is what he often does whenever he is heartbroken. It's his way of saying forget it. This thing is hopeless.

In 2003, in the song where he says he's searching for that one who's gonna make him whole and help him make these mysteries unfold, he also said he would walk around this world to find her, as well as sail the seven seas to be near her. This shows the new woman was not causing him to feel like he needed to walk away. Instead, she made him feel like he could walk a great distance as well as sail great bodies of water. Sounds like he had a sudden burst of energy, and that's a good thing. That was a great thing.

In March 2004, he launched his web site "MJJSource" and said "A New Beginning" was the web site's theme. This shows the new woman's presence did not cause him to wonder how he could begin again as in the song "Don't Walk Away." Instead, he knew a new beginning was imminent. In fact, he had no doubt about it, not even the slightest. The chosen theme for his web site was much like shooting a game of pool and calling the pockets beforehand. The end results were A-1 as well. He called it in advance, and he won.

Notice that in the song "Don't Walk Away" he said, "I don't know where we're going." Now, look at what he said in the song "You Are So Beautiful" that he wrote during the trial. In this song he said "Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go."

Therefore, one person was making where he couldn't see the way, while the new person was able to help him find it. The one that was able to help him find the way is the one that was not causing him pain. Also notice that in the song "You Are So Beautiful" he is walking with someone instead of walking away from them. He said, "I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies. Standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)."

The above brings me back to the song "You Are My Life" which I truly feel is prophetic, as this song describes all the things that he displayed during the trial. It is mid way into the song "You Are My Life" that the things she gave him were foretold. It is also in this song that he said, "You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am."

The things that she gave him are things that would fortify him. She gave him strength and hope. She made him aware of things that he had once overlooked. The person in "Don't Walk Away" was making things hard for him to understand and was also bringing him to tears. His new friend made things easy for him to understand and dried the tears as foretold in "You Are My Life" and as mentioned in "You Are So Beautiful."

Now, he's saying positive things in his love songs. In "The Way You Love Me" he describes four different things that he likes. In "You Are So Beautiful" he's telling her all the things that she is. He said she's beautiful, colorful, magical, salvation, as well as all that he is. This is a major difference in comparison to the things that he was saying some time ago.

What she gave him made a positive change in his life. He is now living the results of what she has given him. He did not have to give her any material things for her to show him she cares about him. We can tell by listening to his most recent love songs. They are very heartfelt and he is not mentioning material things in any of them. Since he did not give her material things in exchange for her love, it caused her love for him to have a much stronger impact in his life. The newest love songs sound much like a testimonial.

[Sdeidjs]

Verse from "Don't Walk Away," track 12 on the "Invincible" CD

See now why
All my dreams been broken
I don’t know where we’re going
With everything we said and all we done now
Don’t let go, I don’t wanna walk away

He tearfully sings various parts of this song. In this song he also asked, "How can I begin again and how am I to understand when there's nothing left to do but walk away?" Walking away is what he often does whenever he is heartbroken. It's his way of saying forget it. This thing is hopeless.

In 2003, in the song where he says he's searching for that one who's gonna make him whole and help him make these mysteries unfold, he also said he would walk around this world to find her, as well as sail the seven seas to be near her. This shows the new woman was not causing him to feel like he needed to walk away. Instead, she made him feel like he could walk a great distance as well as sail great bodies of water. Sounds like he had a sudden burst of energy, and that's a good thing. That was a great thing.

In March 2004, he launched his web site "MJJSource" and said "A New Beginning" was the web site's theme. This shows the new woman's presence did not cause him to wonder how he could begin again as in the song "Don't Walk Away." Instead, he knew a new beginning was imminent. In fact, he had no doubt about it, not even the slightest. The chosen theme for his web site was much like shooting a game of pool and calling the pockets beforehand. The end results were A-1 as well. He called it in advance, and he won.

Notice that in the song "Don't Walk Away" he said, "I don't know where we're going." Now, look at what he said in the song "You Are So Beautiful" that he wrote during the trial. In this song he said "Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go."

Therefore, one person was making where he couldn't see the way, while the new person was able to help him find it. The one that was able to help him find the way is the one that was not causing him pain. Also notice that in the song "You Are So Beautiful" he is walking with someone instead of walking away from them. He said, "I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies. Standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)."

The above brings me back to the song "You Are My Life" which I truly feel is prophetic, as this song describes all the things that he displayed during the trial. It is mid way into the song "You Are My Life" that the things she gave him were foretold. It is also in this song that he said, "You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am."

The things that she gave him are things that would fortify him. She gave him strength and hope. She made him aware of things that he had once overlooked. The person in "Don't Walk Away" was making things hard for him to understand and was also bringing him to tears. His new friend made things easy for him to understand and dried the tears as foretold in "You Are My Life" and as mentioned in "You Are So Beautiful."

Now, he's saying positive things in his love songs. In "The Way You Love Me" he describes four different things that he likes. In "You Are So Beautiful" he's telling her all the things that she is. He said she's beautiful, colorful, magical, salvation, as well as all that he is. This is a major difference in comparison to the things that he was saying some time ago.

What she gave him made a positive change in his life. He is now living the results of what she has given him. He did not have to give her any material things for her to show him she cares about him. We can tell by listening to his most recent love songs. They are very heartfelt and he is not mentioning material things in any of them. Since he did not give her material things in exchange for her love, it caused her love for him to have a much stronger impact in his life. The newest love songs sound much like a testimonial.

In my opinion, I think this friend was "never" about the material things, even if Mr.Jackson didn't have any of those things she would still love, and care about the person he is, not what he can give or do for her...I think she taught him that despite the obsticles that life throws in their path...

"Love of a pure heart is the greatest gift that God could ever give them..!"

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[mystygrl]

Verse from "Don't Walk Away," track 12 on the "Invincible" CD

See now why
All my dreams been broken
I don’t know where we’re going
With everything we said and all we done now
Don’t let go, I don’t wanna walk away

He tearfully sings various parts of this song. In this song he also asked, "How can I begin again and how am I to understand when there's nothing left to do but walk away?" Walking away is what he often does whenever he is heartbroken. It's his way of saying forget it. This thing is hopeless.

In 2003, in the song where he says he's searching for that one who's gonna make him whole and help him make these mysteries unfold, he also said he would walk around this world to find her, as well as sail the seven seas to be near her. This shows the new woman was not causing him to feel like he needed to walk away. Instead, she made him feel like he could walk a great distance as well as sail great bodies of water. Sounds like he had a sudden burst of energy, and that's a good thing. That was a great thing.

In March 2004, he launched his web site "MJJSource" and said "A New Beginning" was the web site's theme. This shows the new woman's presence did not cause him to wonder how he could begin again as in the song "Don't Walk Away." Instead, he knew a new beginning was imminent. In fact, he had no doubt about it, not even the slightest. The chosen theme for his web site was much like shooting a game of pool and calling the pockets beforehand. The end results were A-1 as well. He called it in advance, and he won.

Notice that in the song "Don't Walk Away" he said, "I don't know where we're going." Now, look at what he said in the song "You Are So Beautiful" that he wrote during the trial. In this song he said "Your true love showed me the way, the way I had to go."

Therefore, one person was making where he couldn't see the way, while the new person was able to help him find it. The one that was able to help him find the way is the one that was not causing him pain. Also notice that He said, "I walked with you a thousand miles through hurtful lies. Standing strong with you fighting this all through (so through)."


The above brings me back to the song "You Are My Life" which I truly feel is prophetic, as this song describes all the things that he displayed during the trial. It is mid way into the song "You Are My Life" that the things she gave him were foretold. It is also in this song that he said, "You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am."

The things that she gave him are things that would fortify him. She gave him strength and hope. She made him aware of things that he had once overlooked. The person in "Don't Walk Away" was making things hard for him to understand and was also bringing him to tears. His new friend made things easy for him to understand and dried the tears as foretold in "You Are My Life" and as mentioned in "You Are So Beautiful."

Now, he's saying positive things in his love songs. In "The Way You Love Me" he describes four different things that he likes. In "You Are So Beautiful" he's telling her all the things that she is. He said she's beautiful, colorful, magical, salvation, as well as all that he is. This is a major difference in comparison to the things that he was saying some time ago.

What she gave him made a positive change in his life. He is now living the results of what she has given him. He did not have to give her any material things for her to show him she cares about him. We can tell by listening to his most recent love songs. They are very heartfelt and he is not mentioning material things in any of them. Since he did not give her material things in exchange for her love, it caused her love for him to have a much stronger impact in his life. The newest love songs sound much like a testimonial.

There certainly is a difference between someone "walking away" and "walking around"; the walking around toward reaching a particular destination. And the way you presented it, definitely proves that this "new woman" gave him a change of heart, a brand new spirit making him feel like he could accomplish anything no matter how big of an obstacle was ahead of him.

I recall the web site but, not its' theme "A New Beginning". However, now that you have brought this to the forefront it directly relates to his new found spirit or burst of energy that was becoming apparent.

Very nicely stated, AllForMJ that in the song "You Are So Beautiful" he is walking with someone instead of walking away from them. What a beautiful thing it is to "walk with someone". It's a warm and loving feeling to know that there is another human being on the "same page" as yourself, especially in life --- it makes you feel whole, complete, safe.

You spoke about this song (You Are My Life) several times as being prophetic. It made me listen to it again, in another light, and I have reached the conclusion, as yourself, that IT IS prophetic. He was singing about something that had not occurred as of yet. It's divinity. Since he looks to the "Divine' he is always guided by the "Divine", imo.

True love is not defined by "material things". You were on point when you stated, "He did not have to give her any material things for her to show him she cares about him."

In view of all the things we have discussed this is a very "special woman" who is "divinely made", especially for him. And you know what...by the way he has been singing since 2003 and his behavior until now indicates to me that HE KNOWS she is THE ONE.

I just hope we are near the brink of seeing this romantic scene that we are talking about come to life if we are on track. Of course, we cannot rush the action/s of the "divine".

[AllForMJ]

He went from singing songs about walking away, and saying get away, and I'll be the one they said got away from a heartbreaking woman to, "Hey you. Come here" with the most recent releases. lol

I think it's a very nice change. It's really nice seeing him this way. It's nice seeing him feel comfortable enough to let down his shield for someone and not worry about it.

The one track on the "Invincible" CD that is prophetic has him mentioning things that she is to him. In real life he ends up going through an ordeal where he actually needed those things that this person would give as foretold.

As these things were being provided and he was actually withstanding the pressure of a real life ordeal, he then wrote a song during the ordeal itself where he is again saying what she is to him.

Before the ordeal came into existence, he said:

* You are the sun
* You are the moon
* You're my daytime, my nighttime, my world
* You are my life

During the actual ordeal, he wrote a song where he said:

* You are so beautiful
* You are so colorful
* You are magical
* You are salvation to me
* You are all that I am

Look at the list. Everything starts with "You are..."

Also, while adlibbing near the end of the song "You Are My Life," he added the word "now" to the line "You're my daytime, my nighttime, my world." The word "now" came in after speaking of her giving him strength and hope along with other things. It came in after she started doing things in his life.

When he said the line "You're my daytime, my nighttime, my world" in chorus 1, it was after singing the first verse. The first verse speaks of the person appearing after he mentioned being all alone, lost, having no one to trust and being lonely. Once the person appears, as stated in the song, she starts doing various things and while singing the song his voice starts sounding stronger and he later adds the words, "I love you" which are not even a part of the lyrics.

Now, look back at the moment in time where the song "You Are My Life" is actually playing itself out in his life and you will noticed that the "I love you" part of the actual event occurred when he put out "Beautiful Girl" That's the moment that his love for her was beginning to strengthen just as it sounds in the part of "You Are My Life" where he is adlibbing.

It's really beautiful watching something come to fruition. It's exciting because it shows God narrating a real life story with the actual events occurring as you watch. Sometimes, you don't even know you're listening to Him narrate a life story until things wind down and you look back and go "Wow! So that's what all of that was! Cooool! That worked itself out nicely!"

The real life events are much harder than it is written out, but once it's done unfolding and the promised results are at hand, it makes the hard work worth it. And knowing that God was present makes you feel a lot less worried about life. You just can't go wrong if He's with you. Two people with a spiritual bond brings God right into the middle of them.

If MJ was able to feel what she was doing, then he also felt God's presence and this is what would help him to know he can lower his shield and let her go to work at doing what she came to do. Feeling God's presence is what would also make him feel like he can trust her.

God does not charge a fee for divine intervention. Therefore, people should not place a price tag on things they do to strengthen someone else. Strength is not theirs to place a price on. They can't charge for something that belongs to God. If what they are doing it based on material things given, then they are charging the other person for moral support which is supposed to be offered from the heart. It's more valuable when it's given at no price. The cost should always be $0.00.

Also, because "You Are My Life" has now come to fruition, I'm thinking MJ may have unknowingly recorded God's answer to one of his prayers. Even if this is what has happened, I'm glad that it did. It's just showing that God does answer when someone prays to Him with an open heart and mind.

:yes:

[Ape]

"we cannot rush the action/s of the "divine"." \ (jinuve@yahoo.com?subject=$399900%20House4SALE-Motivated%20Sellers-Reduced%20$35,000-Assumable%20Mortgage%20%20%28harvest%20Hills%29)
argh I can't get rid of the underline thingy. aw well. ok I initially agreed with this statement but then thought, if people can impede the actions of the divine, couldn't people then also speed it up? Maybe just by following Gods will we could, but then that isn't really rushing it, is it? It's just not getting in Gods way. Gods timing. If they aren't together right now I suppose there could be good reason for it. Maybe they still both have some growing to do or lessons to learn from God. Or maybe they are impeding it somehow?

That's a question I want to ask. How many of you all think they are together right now? How many think it is yet to happen? Do you think he has just been busy with work lately, or has he been giving his time to her as well. Maybe both? The MJ stalkers seem to be slackers as it's all been pretty quiet on the MJ news front right? So no one really knows what he's been busy with other than the odd outing every now and then. Awesome he went to see Cirque Du Soleil (it's Canadian!). We only hear that he is out with his children. Could he have, perhaps, been with her as well on these outings? Only no one mentions her? Just a thought.

[LindaC781]

"we cannot rush the action/s of the "divine"." \
argh I can't get rid of the underline thingy. aw well. ok I initially agreed with this statement but then thought, if people can impede the actions of the divine, couldn't people then also speed it up? Maybe just by following Gods will we could, but then that isn't really rushing it, is it? It's just not getting in Gods way. Gods timing. If they aren't together right now I suppose there could be good reason for it. Maybe they still both have some growing to do or lessons to learn from God. Or maybe they are impeding it somehow?

That's a question I want to ask. How many of you all think they are together right now? How many think it is yet to happen? Do you think he has just been busy with work lately, or has he been giving his time to her as well. Maybe both? The MJ stalkers seem to be slackers as it's all been pretty quiet on the MJ news front right? So no one really knows what he's been busy with other than the odd outing every now and then. Awesome he went to see Cirque Du Soleil (it's Canadian!). We only hear that he is out with his children. Could he have, perhaps, been with her as well on these outings? Only no one mentions her? Just a thought.

God did intervene once, Ape. He brought MJ and this woman together, if only for a fleeting moment. Apparently, this fleeting moment lasted with him for a long time, because he just can't forget her. She must have left an indelible impression on him for him to sing about her for so long.

Some times in our lives, God allows us to be in a particular place at a particular time. It may be that this woman wouldn't have normally met MJ, but God made arrangements for her to be at that particular place at that particular time for them to meet. And God knew that MJ needed to know that she existed at that time, maybe because of the turmoil going on in his life that God knew about, and wanted to give him hope and love when he least expected it...

God will intervene again...if He deemed it necessary to bring the both of them together once, He will do this again. Who knows when that time will be? It's only our best guess. Right now, we need to savor this period of his life. It is truly positive and happy....

[Pua]

:popcorn:my daily dose of Love In The Dark :popcorn::D

[Ape]

ok.. don't want this thread getting stagnant. Time to design her wedding dress guys :lol: hahah sorry. I am having a bored moment. Still it would be a fun project to add to the thread since no one is answering my questions. :P

i didn't mean to discount what you said Linda. You are right, God did seem to intervene once already, and by your answer I would assume you believe they aren't together in person yet right?

[LindaC781]

ok.. don't want this thread getting stagnant. Time to design her wedding dress guys :lol: hahah sorry. I am having a bored moment. Still it would be a fun project to add to the thread since no one is answering my questions. :P

i didn't mean to discount what you said Linda. You are right, God did seem to intervene once already, and by your answer I would assume you believe they aren't together in person yet right?

I don't think they can be as together as they'd like, but that they know that they love each other....I was reading post 1384 and 576 to describe what I am talking about....

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=39

[Ape]

That seems to make sense. I wonder (if that is the case) what is holding them back (if there is in fact, a them).

I wonder if she has anything wonderful planned for him for his birthday. I wonder if they write love letters to each other and how beautiful they must be considering his songs are so beautiful. I wonder if we will ever get to "meet" her or if she will stay in the shadows unseen and unheard from. I wonder if they ever will be together and if we would even know if they were. I wonder how the fans would accept her.

[mystygrl]

I don't think they can be as together as they'd like, but that they know that they love each other....I was reading post 1384 and 576 to describe what I am talking about....

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=39

I totally agree with you! And just to add, if you don't mind, I feel that the songs he are singing, which contains messages of love to his "lady friend" would not be necessary if they were together. He is putting out one song after another containing his heartfelt emotions toward "this lady". In my opinion, he could just express his intimate feelings with her face-to-face if she was tangible.



"we cannot rush the action/s of the "divine"." \
argh I can't get rid of the underline thingy. aw well. ok I initially agreed with this statement but then thought, if people can impede the actions of the divine, couldn't people then also speed it up? Maybe just by following Gods will we could, but then that isn't really rushing it, is it? It's just not getting in Gods way. Gods timing. If they aren't together right now I suppose there could be good reason for it. Maybe they still both have some growing to do or lessons to learn from God. Or maybe they are impeding it somehow?

That's a question I want to ask. How many of you all think they are together right now? How many think it is yet to happen? Do you think he has just been busy with work lately, or has he been giving his time to her as well. Maybe both? The MJ stalkers seem to be slackers as it's all been pretty quiet on the MJ news front right? So no one really knows what he's been busy with other than the odd outing every now and then. Awesome he went to see Cirque Du Soleil (it's Canadian!). We only hear that he is out with his children. Could he have, perhaps, been with her as well on these outings? Only no one mentions her? Just a thought.

You know, I have thought and questioned myself regarding the same thing. So, to answer your questions, as I mentioned above within this post I don't believe they are with each other at this time. However, their coming together is futuristic because this relationship is not being controlled by them. It will happen when it will serve both their best interest. And, I cannot help but refer to an article where it mentioned he was "putting off women" to focus on his current projects. Therefore, in harmony with that, let me say this: I feel that he is more than likely extremely occupied and committed to completing his projects. However, since she is definitely apart of his plans when it's time for him and and his "lady friend", she will receive his undivided attention.

[AllForMJ]

In his song "You Are So Beautiful" he described her love as "true love." He said, "Your true love showed me the way..." Therefore, what he experienced with her was just like this verse from the Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:7
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

Imagine what is must feel like to him to have something like this happen. What are the odds? Only God could have planned out something this precise and have it go perfectly on one take.

One song says she suddenly appeared. Another song says she came in time. This is truly a reason for him to be smiling again.

In the song "You Are My Life" he sings a line where he says, "And you brought me back to the light." If she brought him back to the light, then she came to him in the dark in this song. "You Are My Life" was hitting all the marks! It was foretelling everything.

:yes:

[LindaC781]

In his song "You Are So Beautiful" he described her love as "true love." He said, "Your true love showed me the way..." Therefore, what he experienced with her was just like this verse from the Bible.

Imagine what is must feel like to him to have something like this happen. What are the odds? Only God could have planned out something this precise and have it go perfectly on one take.

One song says she would suddenly appear. Three years later, another song says she came in time. This is truly a reason for him to smile again.

In the song "You Are My Life" MJ sings a line where he says, "And you brought me back to the light."

If she brought him back to the light, then this song is always saying he was in the dark. This song is saying she went into the dark and got him. She would have to go into the dark in order to suddenly appear to him. The song "The Way You Love Me" is confirming that's where he was when she came. "You Are My Life" was hitting all the marks! It was foretelling everything.

Did MJ find love in the dark?

I think the phrase "in the dark" means that he was at a very low point in his life....depressed...sad...dark...and she brought sunshine to his world. That's what I think. It happened all of a sudden too. He wasn't expecting it, and neither was she. But it happened. And he AND she are better off knowing each other...

[TialovesMJ]

And I agree with Linda!!:yes:... and I also think "In the Dark" means MJ was sad and at a low point. I wonder if she was also experiencing being "In the Dark" in her own life??

[LindaC781]

And I agree with Linda!!:yes:... and I also think "In the Dark" means MJ was sad and at a low point. I wonder if she was also experiencing being "In the Dark" in her own life??

She may have....she may have felt that noone really truly loved her at that point in her life...and then BOOM!! She met MJ. And she was never the same again. And it wasn't because it was MJ, the fame or the money....she saw in him that wonderful combination of warmth, innocence and love. And that was what she wanted in a man all along - someone who truly cared about HER....and loved her for who she was, and not what she looked like...

[TialovesMJ]

And vice versa.. She loves him for him and cares for him too!!:)He seems also happy that she was there for him when he needed love and support the most too. it seems. :)

[LindaC781]

And vice versa.. She loves him for him and cares for him too!!:)He seems also happy that she was there for him when he needed love and support the most too. it seems. :)

And if she really is an unknown, we just may have a real-life Cinderella story here....complete with a wonderful Prince Charming. Okay, I better get my nose out of those Disney books and get back to bed...it's 3am....

[TialovesMJ]

^^yeah i really think we don't know this lady at all, I dont think she is a celebrity, is what i mean.....She porbably is unknown to us.but who knows. Aww a Disney fairytale, that would be nice :D.. haha well good night Linda..

[Ape]

nope, not addictive at ALL Summer ;) ;)

[summer]

:lol: Ape....

[AllForMJ]

It is really nice to know that so many things worked out beautifully for him before he reached this milestone. He was able to enjoy his 50th birthday with peace in his life.

Thank you, God, for such a beautiful day. MJ is so deserving of this. He is truly worthy. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for allowing him to be able to look back at this day, someday down the road, and say that things turned out okay.

:yes: :flowers:

[mystygrl]

It is really nice to know that so many things worked out beautifully for him before he reached this milestone. He was able to enjoy his 50th birthday with peace in his life.

Thank you, God, for such a beautiful day. MJ is so deserving of this. He is truly worthy. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for allowing him to be able to look back at this day, someday down the road, and say that things turned out okay.

:yes: :flowers:

Isn't this the truth? I agree with everything you just said. Just thinking about all the things he has been through in his personal life and career, this day and moment in his life is just wonderful! I am very happy for him!!!

[cleopatra1975]

allformj since you began this threat you see the secret ladies coming out...what do you think about this woman mflowers posts? they are in the threat have you met michael etc... i hope she is not influenced of this threat. I also woIuld like to ask all others? If michael is in love with someone else ...why cant he tell her? what typ of obstacle do they have?or do you all think he is already with her?thank you in advance for your answers
hugggs

[DMGJACKSON]

Thank you michael for everything your generosity and kindness...
for all the years of un-selfish love and deeds you have given us (your) fans
and this entire globe...
May God continue to Bless your life !
sending you much Respect...

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Femkela]

wow all for mj, really beautiful! Michael is sooo romantic! I am so happy he knows his fans love him so much :D

[cleopatra1975]

thank you queen g for your answer and sensitiveness...thank you very much..

huggs

[AllForMJ]

allformj since you began this threat you see the secret ladies coming out...what do you think about this woman mflowers posts? they are in the threat have you met michael etc... i hope she is not influenced of this threat. I also woIuld like to ask all others? If michael is in love with someone else ...why cant he tell her? what typ of obstacle do they have?or do you all think he is already with her?thank you in advance for your answers
hugggs
Cleo, I've only been reading the " Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" thread here and there because I've been mainly trying to keep up with the "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" thread that is mainly covering the positive changes in MJ between 2001 and the present day.

The " Have You Met Or Got To See Michael In Person?" thread has a variety of nice stories from fans meeting him at different times, in different places and in different ways. So, I figured I could pop in from time to time to read them knowing each one will be different.

Since you seem bothered by Mflowers' post, I did go over to the thread to read her posts specifically. What I felt the most while reading her posts was the deep pain that she went through with her husband or now ex-husband. Most of her posts are about what she went through with him, not how she spent time with MJ, so it's kind of hard to get a full feel of what her time with MJ was like.

MJ is a very mystical person. He has met many of his fans in very mystical ways, so if we are reading a fan's story about how and when they met him, and it's one of those times that he was in disguise, it can seem a bit unclear as to whether it was him, or not. The whole purpose for him wearing the disguises is so people will not know it is him.

It's easier to get a feel of his presence in the stories about him visiting someone's home to give them a copy of the Watch Tower because he has indeed let everyone know that he's been doing that. But, when it comes to encounters with him in diguises when he's simply out and about, it can be a little hard to follow unless the person telling the story about one of these encounters with him, during one of those times, gives details of things that he may have said to them during a conversation with them.

He's been able to trick people by covering up his distinctive facial features, but if he's talking to someone, he's not completely able to cover up his personality or his voice if he doesn't try to change it for the moment.

Unless Mflowers is willing to let out more of her story, and not worry about anyone taking it from her, as the
"© 2008" it end of it indicates, we'll probably never know if it was him.

So until she decides to say more to let the readers get a better understanding, just take it as a story that she really doesn't want anyone to know and leave it at that for your own peace of mind. There are other stories in the thread that you can feel MJ's true presence in. It's probably best to read those and get the fully enjoyment out of them that the posters wanted you to receive.

Also, the "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" thread points out a woman that is unknown to fans, but the way that MJ is openly singing to her causes her to not be that much of a secret.

Back in 2002, during his interview with Vibe Magazine, he had a discussion about pain and even said he felt it was good for his work. Well, now that he's been experiencing something that's loving and not painful, I think we are able to see that it's even better for his work. It seems like it feels a lot better to him. The most recent release of love songs displays this, as well as his upbeat mood, laughter and smile. It seems like it feels a lot better to those that is being touched by it as well as it comes through his music, as they enjoy his mood, listen to his laughter and smile as they see him smile.

Enjoy what is, as it is happening today. Enjoy that happiness that you hear in MJ's voice as he speaks in the present day, as you heard yesterday on Good Morning America. Enjoy the sound of his singing as it is now coming across in a pleasant way without the sound of pain. His present state of happiness is what you can absorb if what you are reading in someone's post is causing dismay. MJ is not hiding his happiness and it is not coming across in a distorted way. It's coming across loud and clear and he is sharing his happiness with anyone that has ears that hear or eyes that see.

MJ has been touched by love in many different ways lately. His cup is over flowing with love right now. It's been coming from God, from a female friend that he's been singing about in loving ways, his parents and siblings, his children, his closest friends and his fans worldwide. Enjoy the love that you hear in his voice as he speaks and sings in the present day. It's not being hidden and it's not coming across in an obsure way. It's there for you to hear. It's there for you to enjoy. As he once said, as long as love is in his heart, it's everywhere. And it's true. It is everywhere. As it comes to him from everywhere, he sends it right back out and he's been sending it everywhere. Lately, he's even been having fun with some members of the media. That's just how much things have mellowed out for him. So, try to enjoy it.

:flowers:

[cleopatra1975]

Thank you very much allformj for taking your time... very kind of you...at least time will tell. God will bring them both together when the time is right.

hugggs

[Sdeidjs]

Ladies & Gents,
I am sure when Mr.Jackson is ready his family, and his admirers/fans will be the first to know...

Until then....the romance continues...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[mystygrl]

Ladies & Gents,
I am sure when Mr.Jackson is ready his family, and his admirers/fans will be the first to know...

Until then....the romance continues...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

In light of the recent "so called" rumor and I use the word "rumor" because it is being discussed worldwide and has spread over the Internet like 'gangrene' have your words come to fruition? Thus far, his family, admirers or fans by now are well aware of this latest rumor/story.

With all that we have discussed within this thread about there being "a mystery lady" and now being surprisingly smacked with this present rumor has the "tide changed" regarding the "romance" with him and this "mystery lady" that we have brought to the forefront?

It appears that our thread is fading. In addition, with supposedly "no new music" for some time there won't be any new "messages" to discuss". What are your thoughts? Anyone?

[Ape]

Yes there really hasn't been much new to discuss here for a while..(though sometimes someone comes up with a great post that really adds to it)which is why I came up with projects for us to do in the mean time such as dress design, writing their wedding vows..lol. When we have completed this, we can turn it into a novel I think! :P

[AllForMJ]

The original thread used to fade too from time to time, but someone would have a thought come to them and next thing ya know it's back! lol

I have a couple of questions for everybody...

There was a time when MJ felt like no one understood him. Does it now seem like he may have changed his mind about this? Do you think he still feels misunderstood, or do you think he feels like more people understand him than what he had originally thought?

[LindaC781]

I think MJ is gonna re-record "Islands In The Stream" and dedicate this to Pam Anderson swimming backstroke..just kidding...

[Sdeidjs]

In light of the recent "so called" rumor and I use the word "rumor" because it is being discussed worldwide and has spread over the Internet like 'gangrene' have your words come to fruition? Thus far, his family, admirers or fans by now are well aware of this latest rumor/story.

With all that we have discussed within this thread about there being "a mystery lady" and now being surprisingly smacked with this present rumor has the "tide changed" regarding the "romance" with him and this "mystery lady" that we have brought to the forefront?

It appears that our thread is fading. In addition, with supposedly "no new music" for some time there won't be any new "messages" to discuss". What are your thoughts? Anyone?

Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, volupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[LindaC781]

Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, vulupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"


Post removed. I just don't believe what I wrote. Pam Anderson is really not one of my favorite people.

[AllForMJ]

I think MJ is gonna re-record "Islands In The Stream" and dedicate this to Pam Anderson swimming backstroke..just kidding...
Okey dokey.
:lol:

[Dri]

I always read this thread.Don't write but I read a lot of.The comments are great and consistent!

But I think Michael Jackson wants to love but has afraid.For all the disappointments he lived, to see the conflicts in their own family.

He always says he is a lonely man .He never been open for the love of trully.MAYBE!Love needs to surrender, dedication.Michael was prepared for this?
But now I don't know ... Who knows...
You know what? I hope that he and Pam are together and happy.With Panm or any other.Is at the time, Michael!Time for love!!!!!!!!!!Give a chance for you,baby! :wub:

[TialovesMJ]

Although anything in life is possible, in this business of what society calls "the industry" there are many reasons why people say & do the things they do...

Everyone in the world knows that Ms.Anderson is a very beautiful, volupuous, big breasted blonde bomb shell.

Do I think this is the woman that Mr.Jackson has been telling us about? Highly unlikly, I believe that this mystery woman held/holds a very special sacred place in Mr.Jackson's heart for many years. When the time is right, his family, fans & admirers will be the first to know...

Smiles~~~

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"


I agree with what you have stated....

[LindaC781]

MJ - you need to surrender yourself completely to Love. Lose yourself in it...let it embrace you and lift you up totally....read this site...warning, it is erotic...http://myessence.us/sacred-intimacy.html

From: http://www.lovecarnival.com/love-poems/sweet-love-poems.html

Unlicensed Love
By Jim Sharman

On a summer's day long, long ago
I fell in love and I'll never know
Just what it was that made me feel
So drawn to her, what the appeal
That set my pulses so to race
When e'er I gazed upon that face
Of one who was scarce but a child
Yet even then could drive me wild
I'll never know the how's and why's
I lost my heart to Hazel Eyes
But when I got that long sought
I knew I'd found my Perfect Miss
My elfin girl from down the lane
And I'll never let her go again

For how could I describe our love?
Romantic love, all hearts and flowers
No way to count the days and hours
Spent in self-indulgent wishes
And thoughts of long awaited
Of sweet embraces, tender sighs
And gazing into love filled eyes
Oh yes, it is that kind of love

Or, is it yet the love of
The ecstasy that knows no ration
That shuddering nerve-tingling feeling
The climax with your senses reeling
The wondrous joy when you discover
That sweet surrender to your lover
Oh yes, it's that kind of love too.

Or even yet a love that grows
One that cares and one that knows
That sees beyond the outer skin
Into the person deep within
That loves the spirit and the soul
The inner self that makes the whole
Built on trust and empathy
A love you know was meant to be
The love we share is all these things
A love that has no need of rings
A love you never need to doubt
A love I cannot live without
A love to last us all our days
A love I'll share with you always

[AllForMJ]

Celebs are able to contact each other quite easily. I don't think MJ would have to send messages of love to Pamela via music when he can very easily get her phone number just like he got the phone numbers of all the other other celebs that were surprised to get a call from him.

Also, most celebrities, the vast majority of them, are leery about getting closely involved with other celebrities that are going through major drama that includes a highly publicized court trial and a massive media frenzy. They usually show their support from a distance with some kind words and then show more support once the storm has passed.

MJ would not have fully benefited from this type of support during his darkest hour which ran from late 2003 through mid 2005. Actually, his period of hurting, within the new millennium, started the moment the media aired programs about his face in 2002. They kept adding to his pain with each passing year. He would only have benefited from love and support that he can fully hold on to with all his heart and know that it's there for him to hold on to. He would have needed exactly what he received and that was unwavering love and support the he deemed as true love. This is the type of love that can weather the storm and requires the person supplying such love to be fully committed from start to finish.

As a celebrity, does Pamela seem like she had this type of time to devote to him with the type of busy schedule that most celebrities have? It's highly unlikely.

In "Beautiful Girl," while MJ is letting the whole world know he's in love, he also says, "She never thought that with all the time that we devote." Therefore, the person that he's singing about gave him her full attention and it caused him to eventually fall in love with her over a period of time.

Unless Pamela has been giving MJ her undivided attention, has had time to focus on his needs and has been there for him without faltering, it is not her.

Therefore, the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds.
:yes:

[SoS]

^ NIce to have the discussion back on track.


Celebs are able to contact each other quite easily.

Yes and get together to meet for any number of reasons. My initial thought was that MJ may be friends with the royalty from Dubai she is said to be dating. Just something I'd read about her in my research after the rumor. Or, a career-savvy "move" on both their parts. It also may be something from someone's rear-end, because despite the fact that they initially denied the LM rumors etc. and so forth, I think the fact is, there have been more UNSUBSTANTIABLE rumors about MJ than substantial ones and this one is imho harmless, if not helpful so why be so quick to "kill" it imho.

I also feel that those of us who are subject to the quick use of our fertile imaginatioins (everyone on this board especially this thread? LOL) could let our imaginations run rampant, especially since she is in the business of expertly "marketing" "FANTASY" (maybe even a business aspect I can see them meeting to discuss as MJ markets it pretty darn well too) I suppose our irresistable discussion and mention of it is in the fact that we just want to "brace ourselves" to make sure we wouldn't be in a "state of shock" if it were to by some "freaky" chance, have substance to it, which is also understandable.

With that said, I feel it is completely irrelevant to this thread and topic. Hollywood life, is often the exact opposite of what's going on on the inside of an individual's (inner) life. Michael strikes me as by nature, being an "inside out" kind of person, not "outside in", despite the fact that "outward appearances" is part of his job and is likely important to him as a man. At same time, when any sexually explicitely beautiful woman is within any man's eyesight, it can curtail his ability to "think" with his heart, let alone his spirit, and for the spiritual nature of his songs we're discussing, MJ's personality and this thread, I feel its safe to say we see MJ as one who functions primarily "by faith and not by sight".


In "Beautiful Girl," while MJ is letting the whole world know he's in love, he also says, "She never thought that with all the time that we devote." Therefore, the person that he's singing about gave him her full attention and it caused him to eventually fall in love with her over a period of time.

I hear something completely different so maybe you can help me as I will attempt to help you see what I mean about the lyrics. I guess we all may also use different methods for trying to decipher lyrics. When me and my brother were kids, one of our favorite past times was trying to distinguish undistringuisable lyrics in songs of various artists. The company my dad worked for specialized in dictaphones. Those devices now have three speeds which makes it easier to distinguish syllables and if you use a double headed plug from speaker to mic it eliminates any "outside" sounds, almost like an old-fashioned version of a downnload if you will. It is however, VERY time-consuming, and someone may ask, is it all that serious? LOL Well, frankly being on this thread (board really) is a "hobby" of sorts so I can see no reason not to rock it to the fullest and did make time to hear this one through.

With that said, what I hear there (after I hear, "she never thought I'd let her down" which at first sounds ALMOST like la-da-dum) it then sounds like he's saying, "in although the touch we've a way to go" - and I'm thinking that he's probably saying "AND" although the touch, we've a way to go" because sometimes when MJ says "and" it sounds like "in".

At first the word "touch" sounds like "time" because of a hint of a long "y" type of sound in there, until you hear the "ch" sound at the end of it - and "we've a..." is said very fast almost like one word... then "way to go" iis the most distinguishable with a clear 'g' sound in 'go' - at least imho.

I can easily "stand corrected" if anyone has the time and inclination to "help" me to hear otherwise by breaking it down. That is all part of the fun to me.


With all that said - as far as this thread is concerned, for me its about determiniing whether MJ is telling "one" true story with his music, "several" true stories or any true stories at all.

Although I lean toward there not necessarily being an "unfolding future" intent (i know song writers who write truth about things without it being for a future intent) it still seems as though there is a definite "theme" throughout and that is fascinating and would not surprise me that given his shy nature, if it were his way of "breaking the ice" with "someone" so to speak. One thing that attracts me to this thread is the linear way some songs line up with what is said in other songs, which I find myself constantly surprised by, especially when I'm least "thinking about it' - some congruence will come as out of the clear blue sky and you can't help but wonder.

At the same time, some songs seem to have nothing in common with some other songs. I personally feel this thread would be best served if we spent more time distinguishing those differences in songs as well as similiarities in songs, or lyrics if we can come to agreements (and if not, let the effort go) because MJ is either telling a story or he is not. If he is, I'm guessing he doesn't mind that some fans can catch on to it, otherwise, why "tell" a story.

After all the songs that lead up to The Ultimate Collection, Beautiful Girl, I suggest, is about someone he "discovered" is "beautiful" on the inside ...

after all he'd been through, and seems to have thought about her in all those initial songs of anguish, rage etc. on the Dangerous album ...and then through Invincible - possibly more an ego pain? than anything (you know how that can be, when things don't go "our way", we humans, sometimes, we get "hurt" at the core (of our ego) and maybe MJ is used to having things go his way? We know from what MJ has said in recent times, that he has grown substantially beyond "ego", his words were, "I hate ego". We all get to that point in life, because ego causes lots of dissappointment, fear and pain and he's grown beyond all that.

In BG, it sounds to me almost like an apology, as it sounds imho like he says, "she never thought I'd let her down" reminds me of the line in OMC where he yells "tell her its all on me" wihch reminds me of the line in Fall Again that says, "I need us to carry on" and being that he was in a state of "renewal" when he made that Utimate Collection, when he says, "the past is said and done" he's referring to forgiveness of someone to whom he'd feel the need say, "you can't run away" - a lyric he changed from the original Glenn Ballard version.

AllforMJ also gave forth "food for thought" regarding the placements of certain songs in a given line-up, and so with that in mind, I can't help but wonder. WHY would MJ have a song he never recorded for the public on his "Ultimate Collection? and why would he change only 1 lyric in that song from what Glenn Ballard recorded? and why does that 1 lyric refer to "her" past actions as reflected in other songs? Its not any one of those questions that make this interesting to me, but the COMBINATION of questions that does. These are the kinds of dicussions I feel would give this thread a new life and energy. If MJ wants his fans figuring these things out then, we should have at it.

Maybe someone needs me to point where these various aspects are on YouTube and maybe folks ought to do more sharing thoughts on specific songs in that way, to make it more clear what's being said. I didn't post the youtube link this time because this post is so long, but just keep in mind, Beautiful Girl is a demo full of many adlibby type things and in OMC the shout I'm referring to is an adlib also, IOW, you have to listen extra carefully. I may nor may not be back today, but I'll eventually post any answers to any questions or thoughts I've shared here.

You may have a different perspective on all this, and to me,, that's the fun of this thread...right?...trading perspectives

so let's trade perspectives...

as we continue hoping we're not wasting time in watching, waiting and allowing for the mystery.,...

to continue to unfold.,,.

[Sdeidjs]

Being that this thread continues to have a very intriguing analysis...

What do you think about "You Are My Life" ...?

Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own, I was lonely
You suddenly appeared
It was cloudy before but now it's clear
You took away the fear
You brought me back to life

Chorus:
You are the sun
You make me shine
Or more like the stars
That twinkle at night
You are the moon
That glows in my heart
You're my daytime my nighttime
My world
You're my life

Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
No more tears, no more pain
Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I¹m a better man
You taught me by sharing your life

Chorus
You gave me strength
When I wasn¹t strong
You gave me hope when all hope is lost
You opened my eyes when I couldn¹t see
Love was always here waiting for me

Another analysis I find intriguing: Even though there were people all around Mr.Jackson & this mystery woman, he/she truly felt very alone, had no one to trust, heartbroken, humiliated, and in total despair...

As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

Because of that love, the friendship they shared/share, they continue to move forward with the most precious gift that God has given them...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[Ape]

Really nice posts. Can I ask, are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

Right now feels much like waiting for Christmas, but not having a calendar and not knowing what the date is right now. Waiting to find out the next piece to this puzzle in the form of new music...a little thin square box containing all the answers we could hope to find for our story here. We know it is coming, but we don't know when. We don't even really know that it will contain any answers, but we hope, and believe it will.

So how about, since no one else added it yet, and I just KNOW Summer is braced for it, and would be disappointed if it wasn't brought to this thread, I bring in the newest message from Michael :) to be analyzed in the spirit of this thread. “I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

So....lol. Here we are. It's simply another message sent out to "her". ;) "All" is placed in there to satisfy the fans and to semi hide his true motive for getting Talitha to paste his words onto message boards online.

How's that for analyzing? It is semi tongue in cheek btw, though feel free to take it how you wish :)

[SoS]

Being that this thread continues to have a very intriguing analysis...

What do you think about "You Are My Life" ...?

Once all alone
I was lost in a world of strangers
No one to trust
On my own, I was lonely
You suddenly appeared
It was cloudy before but now it's clear
You took away the fear
You brought me back to life

Chorus:
You are the sun
You make me shine
Or more like the stars
That twinkle at night
You are the moon
That glows in my heart
You're my daytime my nighttime
My world
You're my life

Now I wake up everyday
With this smile upon my face
No more tears, no more pain
Cause you love me
You help me understand
That love is the answer to all that I am
And I¹m a better man
You taught me by sharing your life

Chorus
You gave me strength
When I wasn¹t strong
You gave me hope when all hope is lost
You opened my eyes when I couldn¹t see
Love was always here waiting for me

AllforMJ has analyzed this one extensively in previous posts. here's one I found for you...

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1581496#post1581496


Imho, if he truly means these words, I feel its one that has to come from the "holy of holies" of MJ's heart, where only he can know. How many people have "suddenly" popped in and out of his life is anyone's guess.. .


Another analysis I find intriguing: Even though there were people all around Mr.Jackson & this mystery woman, he/she truly felt very alone, had no one to trust, heartbroken, humiliated, and in total despair

As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

Because of that love, the friendship they shared/share, they continue to move forward with the most precious gift that God has given them...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key" ... As for the part in red, when I read that it made me go, "woah". Really? Where'd you get that idea? I know msfairy said so but she has yet to substantiate that "theory" that "everyone" around MJ knows "the mystery woman" etc. If you have any further insights, please share.

LOL@ Ape,it is a bit like waiting for Christmas with no calendar eh


are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

That's what I'd like to know.


“I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”


I'm not among those who tend to feel that his messages to his fans are "double" messages, because I feel MJ truly appreciates his fans and wants them to know it. That message AllforMJ mentioned that MJ did after the trial, sounds close but imho, I still take it as being primarily to his fans even in view of how he worded it or else, , how can he let his fans know he appreciates them? I feel that MJ words things sometimes with a sort of obscure kind of clarity as he seems to be communicating 'feelings' from the heart rather than choosing words for words sake.

Although this new one could have a 'ring' where it could be a "double meaning" (as I conceed the other one did, after y'all made me look from that perspective lol) I still say that its for his fans because he also says, "from all across the world" so unless she's on the other side of the world, I don't see where it can be to any 1 person but who knows, - in OMC he does say, "I would walk around the world to find her"... but this does say from all across the world" (which is where he fans are spread, far and wide) not the other side of the world" or anything indicating someone in 1 specific location - yet there is the continuous use of the term you/your and for him to refer to the general population of fans as "pure" or "innocent" is also intrigueing LOL (has he any idea what goes through some of these fans' minds??? LOL!! :brow: I also wonder how that fan he gave this message to, recorded it. Did she write it down? Its a lot of words for someone to have relayed verbatum. :brow: for him to be referring to his fans as "pure and/or "innocent" makes me wonder if it hasn't been embellished. I personally don't see MJ as being that naive....I mean come on.

The mystery continues...

[AllForMJ]

"I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”
Since his birthday was this passed August, and he received many birthday messages and gifts from his fans across the world, I think the above message is to his fans worldwide. He usually likes to let his fans know that he appreciates the kind things they always do for him and say to him for his birthday.

Also, I'm glad that he mentioned what I've bolded above. It's a prime example of what I was explaining here back in June:

It doesn't matter if it's done mentally, physically or spiritually. He can feel it.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1525599&highlight=feel#post1525599

Michael is a very spiritual person. He can feel what people are doing. If he's able to feel what many people are doing, then he can surely feel what one individual is doing if it continues over a period of time.

The reason why I said his message following the trial is a two-part message and that the second part is to his friend is because he said, "You were there when I really needed you. Your ever present love held me, dried my tears and carried me through."

The person that would suddenly appear as foretold in "You Are My Life" was going to stop his tears from flowing because she loves him. As we can see in his message following the trial, his tears were dried from love that was always being shown to him by someone that he said he really needed. This someone is the same someone he's talking about in "One More Chance." Notice that he did not say, "If you see them, tell them this for me. All I need is one more chance at love." He said, "If you see her."

Also, in "Fall Again" his said, "I need you around..." In this same song he said, "I need us to carry..." as well as "I need your love in my life." In this song, just like in "One More Chance," he is saying what he needed. Then, in the post trial message, he said, "You were there when I really needed you" followed by saying what her ever present love did.

Additionally, as we can see in "You Are So Beautiful," he says, "You near dried my tears...." He also mentions true love in this song.

This takes me back to "Beautiful Girl" because in this song he says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you? Real love with you. Real love." This shows it's the type of love that happens between two people.

Since he said her love was ever present, it means he was able to tell that she was showing him love early on. It also seems like he did not fall in love with her right away. It seems like he fell in love with her later on. It makes sense for it to happen that way because he would most likely hesitate to return the love in the beginning due to all the things that he's been through and the number of times that he's gotten his heart broken.

But, if he sees that her love is ever present, no matter what he's going through, then he would eventually notice there is something different taking place. At some point he felt he needed her love in his life and the cool thing is that having her love, and falling in love with her, did not hurt him. It is love that grew. It grew into what he later called true love in one song and undeceiving love in another.

:yes:

[Ape]

LOL@ Ape,it is a bit like waiting for Christmas with no calendar eh

Lol I've never been a fan of anyone before and this will be the first new album I'm around for with MJ so it is a similar expectancy, yes. Needing patience and also being excited about it's arrival and really nothing we can do about it to hurry it along..lol.

That's what I'd like to know.



I'm not among those who tend to feel that his messages to his fans are "double" messages,
Which is why the tongue in cheek, though it is semi said in that because I don't know how it will be taken in this thread and I don't want to make light of someones thoughts either and who knows but him what he felt while saying it I guess. Maybe there is no "someone in the dark" and it is just the fans he is expressing his love to but giving it a love/romantic relationship for arts sake, artistic liberties. Maybe as this message could be taken, the opposite is also true. Maybe he feels so strongly towards the fans and what they do that he takes the love he feels, and writes music that anyone can relate to (since we don't have fans like he does..lol). If the fans are a quintessential part of everything he does, and everything he creates, then it would be the fans he is inspired by (as was said) and the fans who bring out these feelings of love from him. Look at the latest birthday present to him. That was purity and innocence. That was beautiful, and very inspirational. So maybe there is no woman in the dark. Maybe it was the fans who were there for him wiping away his tears and showing him the way and not a woman from across the world who he loves from the bottom of his heart and is the quintessential part of everything he does. (NOT to discount all that has been said in this thread, but it is a possibility and another angle to look at)

[SoS]

^ I don't necessarily feel its "all or nothing" type thing, jet black or stark white, could be there is such a one as "someone in the dark" AND his fans among many others he is singing about imho. Thanks btw for that slant on purity and innocence. It helped me get my mind around what he could have meant, and its a sweet thought, to see it that way. :yes:



I don't want to make light of someones thoughts either and who knows but him what he felt while saying it With this I concur and it isn't necessary to make light of someone's thoughts to simply express that you see it another way, i hope no one feels I'm making light.. Song interpretation is a free Country lol that's why I enjoy doing this. People only 'make' it whatever it becomes, if it becomes negative, its usually by 'judgements' of eachother's thoughts, then after that of course, its downhill.



Michael is a very spiritual person. He can feel what people are doing. If he's able to feel what many people are doing, then he can surely feel what one individual is doing if it continues over a period of time.


I concur


The reason why I said his message following the trial is a two-part message and that the second part is to his friend is because he said, "You were there when I really needed you. Your ever present love held me, dried my tears and carried me through." Yes I know and it makes sense. I just see it as a collective "you" as when someone (say a pastor) addresses a group. I also feel that because people traversed land and sea from every corner of the earth via plane, train, automobile and internet to be there for him in his time of need - that they were indeed ever-present, vigilant in fact and I can see Michael Jackson have a deep gratitide for that. Maybe there are other parts of that quote I should look at more closely to be able to concur with this though.


This takes me back to "Beautiful Girl" because in this song he says, "Can't you see that I'm in love with you? Real love with you. Real love." This shows it's the type of love that happens between two people.


I don't hear the words "with you" in the song at all not that it matters to the point of changing anything (can you say where on a youtube link perhaps?) because your point is well taken.


Since he said her love was ever present, it means he was able to tell that she was showing him love early on.It also seems like he did not fall in love with her right away. It seems like he fell in love with her later on. It makes sense for it to happen that way because he would most likely hesitate to return the love in the beginning due to all the things that he's been through and the number of times that he's gotten his heart broken.


To the part in red, yes and it seems to me that ever-present could also mean - 'with him all the while', a person can also realize ever-present love, meaning they learned it was with them all along and came to the fore in the hour of "reckoning" so to speak - such as when God has shown up right in the nick of time and we say God was with me all the while I just didn't know it. If that happened, then it makes sense that he kept her in his presence throughout the ordeal causing her love t be "ever-present" but so was that of so very many others so I won't conclude what he meant there.

To the part in black which I bolded, I guess you base that on the fact that he came out with love songs here lately? just clarifying what u meant there

To the part in blue, that one gives me pause. Can't explain just why just yet, well I guess because it strikes me oddly when I think of a man "returning" the love or not "returning" the love due to having his heart broken or not having his heart broken. I don't feel that the idea of avoiding a broken heart is "QUITE" the same for a man as it is for a woman. Men seem to like to avoid pain like anyone don't get me wrong but if they use that to guage whether they'll be in love, there would be no story-heros lol imho. In my fantasy, only the woman reserves the right to hesitate (to the point of deciding whether to be in love or not) due to fear of having a broken heart. A man who truly desires to be with a woman is the reassurance that, that won't happen hence, he comes to her "emotional rescue" hence he's her "story hero".

imho, I'd say that if he "fell in love" later on, as in, true love (as opposed to just thinking he "wants" her) perhaps it was due to her using her "life" to teach him who he really is, as a man, not as someone waiting to decide if he's going to "return" love or not (and I know in text-form that sounds "flip" and I don't mean it that way, just can't find better words atm). I don't mean to sound kurt, I just son't see the "role" of the woman quite the same. Otherwise, it would almost be as if she's his "story-hero" and I believe if she taught him by sharing her life, it means a little more than the usual "being there for him" - afterall in this song he says, "I'm a better man" and what makes a man a better man? - perhaps someone causing him to exercise a different set of muscles than he's used to? ("gave me strength when I wasn't strong") particularly if she very strongly believes in him as a man she might require more of him than's ever been required by a woman? not in a "demanding" way but in a way of saying, "I believe you're better than that" and of course, him rising to the occasion.

In my "story" or fantasy of it all, that's what "story heros" do. They're not guarding their heart in quite the way a woman is because their heart hasn't been 'attacked' in quite the way a woman's has. The heart of a woman is the core of what she is made of and once it has been 'hit' it may be dislocated until some "story hero" comes along and sets it back in place.. imho the worse thing a man experiences is "rejection" or being "used" by a woman. A man who cares enough about a woman isn't stopped by either of those, not the former because "rejection" is what fuels the "chase" so to speak and men love a chase, and MJ is no exception if we go by his short films, in most of them he is 'chasing' someone who is otherwise giving him "no play" - and especially not the latter because he cares. As Bill Withers said, she can "use him until she uses him up" and he'd be happy - if he loves her and especially if he knows without a doubt that she loves him.

Now, I realize that Michael is of a sensitive nature and can relate to many femenine aspects emotionally, its just that I also know he's a man, and no matter how sensitive he may be, he is a man first and foremost and in fact to me he is quintessentially a REAL man as demonstrated in the way he runs EVERYTHING else about his life, and I feel "love" would be no exception. jmho.

("opened my eyes when I couldn't see, love was there waiting for me") could that then mean everyone else had me to believe I was thus or so and you taught me something different about who I am

or perhaps she cause him to see that things are not always the way they have seemed to him in the past? ("gave me hope, when all hope was lost ")

just another way of looking at it

Please don't anyone misunderstand what I'm saying (and I don't expect everyone to agree for fear it could take us way off topic) of course men need love, but there's a twist of irony there. Since MJ is "her story hero" he is willing to do more than receive her love; he'll have to be willing to provide it. Isn't that what story-heros do? Provide, protect and (what's that other 'p' word?) Preserve? (maybe not that one lol) y'all know what I mean.


As a promise to her , Mr. Jackson has "never forgotten" what this mystery woman has done for him, she/he appeared out of no where when they needed someone to be that true friend with that pure heart they had been searching for all their life...

^ This makes sense, and from the songs of the past, it seems they promised eachother. One of the newer songs, Fall Again says, "darling I, [we] fought in a battle but nobody won, left ourselves a mountain to be overcome"

Edit: I felt to come back and note that I feel that, at the end of the day, especially if the song, You Are My Life is "prophetic" I feel this song is, at its core, ultimately about God, because I don't believe that MJ came out of the ordeal realizing any woman as being his "life" - - she may have given him a "focal point" - something to "think about" - to "hold on" to to keep from going mad from all the madness, but ultimately the One that made him "shine" like the stars that twinkle at night was his God and I have no doubt that he is well aware of that for all time.

[Sdeidjs]

First and formost, I believe Mr.Jackson absolutely loves, adores, and respects each and everyone of his fans/admirers...

On that note:
It is very possible that Mr.Jackson and this mystery woman saved each others life at a time when they thought everything in their life was hopeless...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[summer]

Really nice posts. Can I ask, are some of you going on inside information with all this or is it fairly easily spelled out in the lyrics and such that there is actually a woman who kind of showed up out of the blue who was everything he was looking for and who became his friend whom he fell in love with? Is that the general idea and was it figured out simply through these lyrics then?

Right now feels much like waiting for Christmas, but not having a calendar and not knowing what the date is right now. Waiting to find out the next piece to this puzzle in the form of new music...a little thin square box containing all the answers we could hope to find for our story here. We know it is coming, but we don't know when. We don't even really know that it will contain any answers, but we hope, and believe it will.

So how about, since no one else added it yet, and I just KNOW Summer is braced for it, and would be disappointed if it wasn't brought to this thread, I bring in the newest message from Michael :) to be analyzed in the spirit of this thread. “I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

So....lol. Here we are. It's simply another message sent out to "her". ;) "All" is placed in there to satisfy the fans and to semi hide his true motive for getting Talitha to paste his words onto message boards online.

How's that for analyzing? It is semi tongue in cheek btw, though feel free to take it how you wish :)


:lol: :lol:

:P

[SoS]

First and formost, I believe Mr.Jackson absolutely loves, adores, and respects each and everyone of his fans/admirers...

On that note:
It is very possible that Mr.Jackson and this mystery woman saved each others life at a time when they thought everything in their life was hopeless...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

Listening to the song, For All Time and Hold My Hand suggests such could be the case.

It sometimes cracks me up how literally we're taking his material though :lmao: we're a hoot

[Sdeidjs]

Listening to the song, For All Time and Hold My Hand suggests such could be the case.

It sometimes cracks me up how literally we're taking his material though :lmao: we're a hoot

Anything in life IS possible...NEVER doubt the power of Prayer and the Destiny in which they are derived from...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[SoS]

^ true :yes: because God is true

[LindaC781]

Maybe she was there for him IN SPIRIT all along, not physically but he could feel her presence in his life? That she never gave up hope of first knowing he could NEVER do the things he was accused of, feeling his pain when she saw him and hever giving up hope of finding him again and that she was always there mentally to help him get through his turmoil..??

[tyffanny]

it seem to me like we are getting close to resolve the mystery .....I agree with you Linda !!!! :)

[SoS]

^ yes Linda and tyffanny, that explanation works for me too :)

[AllForMJ]

Love is being expressed by the two of them...from her to him...from him to her. This is what he is saying in "For All Time" when he says "two hearts belong so well." This is also why the tone of the love songs he's been releasing since "Invincible" sound so different. The tone of the love songs have changed. The sound of doubt is no longer present.

I don't hear the words "with you" in the song at all not that it matters to the point of changing anything (can you say where on a youtube link perhaps?) because your point is well taken.
Because I have some many things that I'm trying to do this evening, I won't be able to respond to your entire post right now. But I'll at least try to help you hear the words "with you" that he says throughout the song, "Beautiful Girl." He's saying it in the high parts. I typed out the lyrics while listening to it some time ago. I will post what I've typed out.

He is singing it like this. "Can't you seeeee thaaat I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'm in love with you." Again, he is singing "with you" in the high parts.

Also, I do remember you once before saying you hear something totally different where I hear "all the time that we devote." I'll need you to help me hear that part.

One more thing, the part where he says "with you" the clearest is near the end of the song. Listen out for that part and it will help you to hear where he's saying it in the other parts of the song. Here are the lyrics that I typed. The words in parenthesis are the background vocal.

Note: In some parts he is only saying "In looooooove." In other parts, he is saying "In looooooove with youuuuuuu."

***************************************

Beautiful Girl

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)

Da de de da de da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)
I’m in love with you *
(love)

Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum
(love)
She never knows la da da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)

(Music only)

It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
Real love with you
(love)
Real love
(love)

She never thought that la da dum
(love)
In all of the time that we devote
(love)
La da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you *
(love)
I love with you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I'm in love with you (clear part)
(love)
I'm in (love) with you (clearest part)
(love)
Your love
(love)
There’s no one, but love for you
(love)

(Fade out)
.

[AllForMJ]

Love is being expressed by the two of them...from her to him...from him to her. This is what he is saying in "For All Time" when he says "two hearts belong so well." This is also why the tone of the love songs he's been releasing since "Invincible" sound so different. The tone of the love songs have changed. The sound of doubt is no longer present.

I don't hear the words "with you" in the song at all not that it matters to the point of changing anything (can you say where on a youtube link perhaps?) because your point is well taken.
Because I have so many things that I'm trying to do tonight before going to sleep, I won't be able to respond to your entire post right now. But I'll at least try to help you hear the words "with you" that he says throughout the song, "Beautiful Girl." He's saying it in the high parts. I typed out the lyrics while listening to it some time ago. I will post what I've typed out.

He is singing it like this. "Can't you seeeee thaaat I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'm in love with you." Again, he is singing "with you" in the high parts.

Also, I do remember you once before saying you hear something totally different where I hear "all the time that we devote." I'll need you to help me hear that part.

One more thing, the part where he says "with you" the clearest is near the end of the song. Listen out for that part and it will help you to hear where he's saying it in the other parts of the song. Here are the lyrics that I typed. The words in parentheses are his background vocals.

***************************************

Beautiful Girl - lyrics

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)

Da de de da de da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)

Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum
(love)
She never knows la da da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)

(Music only)

It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
Real love with you
(love)
Real love
(love)

She never thought that la da dum
(love)
In all of the time that we devote
(love)
La da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I'm in love with you (clear part)
(love)
I'm in (love) with you (clearest part)
(love)
Your love
(love)
There’s no one, but love for you
(love)

(Fade out)
.

[SoS]

^ I'll use the lyrics you've posted to try and show you where I hear differently and indeed we may have to agree to disagree but here's what I hear and its just a couple of teenie lyric differences, and mind you, I'm not swearing I hear it distinctly because I do not, and there are certain things I clearly do NOT hear that you hear, such as "that we devote", - I DO hear how it initially sounds like that, but a closer listen and I hear instead "we've a way to go (or row?)" - I definitely hear "we've a .. " (something)

I DO hear I'm in love, and I also (finally) DO hear "with you" but only ONCE as noted below - ok that's it - I have a feeling we're both incorrect lol on that "devote/way to go" line in particular because its so indistinct to me, but anyway,here's what I've noted from the lyrics you've posted (great job btw!) If you read it along with the music playing, you'll notice I just took out "with you" from the places where I don't hear it, and you'll notice that on that very last line I hear something completely different and I have a feeling you may hear it too as you listen along with what is noted below.

c'mon everybody - put your ears on

this is fun! ( i know, i know...some people are easily entertained lol)


Beautiful Girl - lyrics

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love
(love)

Da de de da de da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love
(love)
I love
(love)

Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum
(love)
She never knows la da da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)

(Music only)

It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
Real love
(love)
Real love
(love)

She never thought I'd let her down
(love)
In although the (touch?) we've a way to go
or
In all of the tide we've a way to row
(love)
La da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm
in love
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I'm in love
(love)
I'm
(love)
I'm in (love)
(love)
There's so much I love
(love)

(Fade out)

[SoS]

Edit: :wild:

:lol:

Guess what AllforMJ...

and so I get off the phone with one of my dearest friends with whom it is impossible to have a brief conversation...talking 'til the wee hours...ran out of all my "wind-down-get-a-few--things-done" time .......and so what better thing to keep me "company" while I finally get to do them than to put on this lovely song we've been dscussing....and so I put the song on and go about my business around the room....what do I SUDDENLY hear hidden underneath the music ...

all those "with yous" you were telling me about :lol:

another thing I seem to hear in the part where it says, "she never knows" - to me it sounds more like, "she'd never know", and you know what - you're right - amazingly those "i love yous" and "with yous" are distinctively clear once you've actually heard them, and interestinly the way of hearing more distinctly came by NOT paying attention LOL!!

amazing

MJ is pure genius at hiding lyrics underneath the music :lol: wow

and well, I've said it before about your powers of observation :giggle:

oh well ... going to bed now....just wanted to say that you're absolutely correct! (which I guess you already knew lol) :flowers: I hear it too. :yes:

[LindaC781]

Love is being expressed by the two of them...from her to him...from him to her. This is what he is saying in "For All Time" when he says "two hearts belong so well." This is also why the tone of the love songs he's been releasing since "Invincible" sound so different. The tone of the love songs have changed. The sound of doubt is no longer present.

Because I have so many things that I'm trying to do tonight before going to sleep, I won't be able to respond to your entire post right now. But I'll at least try to help you hear the words "with you" that he says throughout the song, "Beautiful Girl." He's saying it in the high parts. I typed out the lyrics while listening to it some time ago. I will post what I've typed out.

He is singing it like this. "Can't you seeeee thaaat I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'mm inn looooooove with youuuuuuuuu. I'm in love with you." Again, he is singing "with you" in the high parts.

Also, I do remember you once before saying you hear something totally different where I hear "all the time that we devote." I'll need you to help me hear that part.

One more thing, the part where he says "with you" the clearest is near the end of the song. Listen out for that part and it will help you to hear where he's saying it in the other parts of the song. Here are the lyrics that I typed. The words in parentheses are his background vocals.

***************************************

Beautiful Girl - lyrics

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)

Da de de da de da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)

I'm in love with a beautiful girl
I'm in love with a beautiful girl
It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)

Da da da da da da da dum
(love)
Da da da da da la da dum
(love)
She never knows la da da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)

(Music only)

It's almost like dancing when romancing in her arms
It's just a part of it
Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
Real love with you
(love)
Real love
(love)

She never thought that la da dum
(love)
In all of the time that we devote
(love)
La da da da da la da dum

Can't you see that I'm in love with you
(love)
I love with you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I love you
(love)
I love you
(love)

Can't you see that I'm in love
(love)
I’m in love with you
(love)
I'm in love with you (clear part)
(love)
I'm in (love) with you (clearest part)
(love)
Your love
(love)
There’s no one, but love for you
(love)

(Fade out)
.

Their's is a psychic, ethereal type of love that transcends physical boundaries. He feels her and she feels him - all the time. They are truly meant for one another. And God will see to it that they reunite soon. The world will hear about this - MJ's already been shouting it from the mountaintops practically...

[fanofthethriller]

Pamela Anderson has no class at all. MJ's videos have been about class and style and unfortunately Pam does not have any of that. I can't even imagine Pam in one of the videos. I have heard many fans feel the same way. That is like "The Beatles" having "Paris Hilton" in one of their videos. It does NOT match.

[AllForMJ]

Edit: :wild:

:lol:

Guess what AllforMJ...

and so I get off the phone with one of my dearest friends with whom it is impossible to have a brief conversation...talking 'til the wee hours...ran out of all my "wind-down-get-a-few--things-done" time .......and so what better thing to keep me "company" while I finally get to do them than to put on this lovely song we've been dscussing....and so I put the song on and go about my business around the room....what do I SUDDENLY hear hidden underneath the music ...

all those "with yous" you were telling me about :lol:

another thing I seem to hear in the part where it says, "she never knows" - to me it sounds more like, "she'd never know", and you know what - you're right - amazingly those "i love yous" and "with yous" are distinctively clear once you've actually heard them, and interestinly the way of hearing more distinctly came by NOT paying attention LOL!!

amazing

MJ is pure genius at hiding lyrics underneath the music :lol: wow

and well, I've said it before about your powers of observation :giggle:

oh well ... going to bed now....just wanted to say that you're absolutely correct! (which I guess you already knew lol) :flowers: I hear it too. :yes:
EUREKA!!! :wild:

And YAY!!! :lol:

You can hear him saying it now!! Something said, "Give her some time. She'll hear him."

It is the loveliest love song ever, isn't it?! He went from being lonely in the "Invincible" days to being totally in love! It's like driving a car and going from zero to 60!! He's sprung on her and he's telling her!
:yes:

Look at what he's saying in "Beautiful Girl."

* Can't you see that I'm in love with you?
* Can't you see that I'm in love?
* I'm in love with you
* Real love with you
* I love you

He sounds so sweet singing this! I've never heard him sound this way, but I LOVE the way he sounds! He poured A LOT of love into this song! The way he's singing and the words he's singing just makes your heart melt! :wub:

Michael really knows how to deliver a love song/sprung song. He really did it and he didn't hold back his feelings at all! He's like, "Listen, girl. I've got something YOU need to know." He's telling her straight up!
:lol:

That man doesn't play when he's feeling that special way.

So, the love story continues...

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Well I hope he really has this girl..i really really do. I hope they meet soon.

[Sdeidjs]

Pamela Anderson has no class at all. MJ's videos have been about class and style and unfortunately Pam does not have any of that. I can't even imagine Pam in one of the videos. I have heard many fans feel the same way. That is like "The Beatles" having "Paris Hilton" in one of their videos. It does NOT match.

Golly Gee Wilickers...people tell me I look like a cross between Pamala Anderson & Helen Hunt...there is always a reason why Mr.Jackson says/does the things he does...

I don't know about you...but...I think I have a whole lot of Irish Catholic values, virtues, morels...and definately a whole alot of class...

Keep The Faith~~~He hasn't let us down yet...

Giggles...

Heal The World~~~"Education Is The Key"

[TialovesMJ]

:unsure:about the last sentence about there is a reason he does stuff he does....

[SoS]

It is the loveliest love song ever, isn't it?!
It really is. That's why I put it on to keep me "company". Its truly divine.


MJ's videos have been about class and style and unfortunately Pam does not have any of that.

Well ya know - she does what she does very well. And who knows, MJ isn't very judgemental right? Maybe he thinks she has plenty enough in real life to justify using her 'naughty" image in a video or whatever.

imho her's is just an "image" just as his is and its what she does for a living and it works for her..

There's no telling what's really going on. We will have to be patient and see.

Maybe he took a hint and decided to rep a straight-up platinum blonde to make a statement, especially to people who feel he has pretty much leaned toward his own culture in his videos. Maybe he wanted to squash that whole concept.

The world will find out soon enough.

I hope this thread doesn't go all off topic about it - I do hope that much.

[mjroxworld]

Well before tonight I had never heard any of those songs before (One More Chance, Fall Again, Beautiful Girl, The Way You Love Me, Someone in the Dark, SOmeone Put Your Hand Out, For All Time, and Holdy My Hand). Gosh, that's a LOT of songs that frankly, most people have not heard or even know about. But I LOVED every minute of them! I think my fave out of all of them was Beautiful Girl. He sounds SO happy and carefree in that song, something I haven't heard in a LONG time.

As for the love story, I think something is really going on behind the scences, as well. Don't know what, exactly. The general public does not know about it...because it's none of our business! We know how private and protective he is. But when I see more recent pics and footage of him, I see a man who is glowing with happiness, not sadness, not anger, no fake smiles. He's beaming, he's out and about more, talking, etc. There's just this transformation, and all I want to say is, God bless him. He needs this. :)

[Moddie777]

Awwwww, I truly missed this one thread. It's like soothing medicine to an open wound.

Been trying to catch up. Be back hopefully soon.

[Moddie777]

I've tried to play catch up by going through most of what I have missed. Forgive me, I am a little rusty.

Has anyone tackled the latest message we are told is from Michael through a fan?

Here goes my two cent: If true, MJ says: "I love you from the bottom of my heart. You're a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and Innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music everyday. You inspire me and I remember everything that you ao. I love you all so much.

First, to get the true meaning of this very beautiful message, you must take out the word "All". Reread it out loud, without that word.
Intimate? Isn't it? Notice how he uses the words "purity" and "innocence", again he is trying to reveal something very key about something significant to them right now. Another key word "quintessential", we know what it mean .Opposite words that quickly come to mind could be, "small" and "insignificant". Why opposite words, because he uses two words (purity, & innocence) which signifies someone has accused her of something he feels is/was wrongfully done. He is standing up for his woman with this message. Someone wanted her to feel both small and insignificant, with this declaration of what she truly means to him, he counters that opinion of his love.
Something has happened and he is fighting for her, just like she fought for him during the trial.

[summer]

I've tried to play catch up by going through most of what I have missed. Forgive me, I am a little rusty.

Has anyone tackled the latest message we are told is from Michael through a fan?

Here goes my two cent: If true, MJ says: "I love you from the bottom of my heart. You're a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and Innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music everyday. You inspire me and I remember everything that you ao. I love you all so much.

First, to get the true meaning of this very beautiful message, you must take out the word "All". Reread it out loud, without that word.
Intimate? Isn't it? Notice how he uses the words "purity" and "innocence", again he is trying to reveal something very key about something significant to them right now. Another key word "quintessential", we know what it mean .Opposite words that quickly come to mind could be, "small" and "insignificant". Why opposite words, because he uses two words (purity, & innocence) which signifies someone has accused her of something he feels is/was wrongfully done. He is standing up for his woman with this message. Someone wanted her to feel both small and insignificant, with this declaration of what she truly means to him, he counters that opinion of his love.
Something has happened and he is fighting for her, just like she fought for him during the trial.

Thanks for your thoughts Moddie. That was an interesting interpretation. :yes:

[mjroxworld]

I've tried to play catch up by going through most of what I have missed. Forgive me, I am a little rusty.

Has anyone tackled the latest message we are told is from Michael through a fan?

Here goes my two cent: If true, MJ says: "I love you from the bottom of my heart. You're a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and Innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music everyday. You inspire me and I remember everything that you ao. I love you all so much.

First, to get the true meaning of this very beautiful message, you must take out the word "All". Reread it out loud, without that word.
Intimate? Isn't it? Notice how he uses the words "purity" and "innocence", again he is trying to reveal something very key about something significant to them right now. Another key word "quintessential", we know what it mean .Opposite words that quickly come to mind could be, "small" and "insignificant". Why opposite words, because he uses two words (purity, & innocence) which signifies someone has accused her of something he feels is/was wrongfully done. He is standing up for his woman with this message. Someone wanted her to feel both small and insignificant, with this declaration of what she truly means to him, he counters that opinion of his love.
Something has happened and he is fighting for her, just like she fought for him during the trial.

Nice interpretation of the message. But it may be just what it is...a message to fans, whom he loves very much. But I agree, without that one little word, it does become very intimate.

[TialovesMJ]

Moddie, It was nice reading your interpretation...:D

[Moddie777]

Thanks guys for enjoying my interpretation.

Michael is something elese, isn't he? He is leaving us clues all over the place, maybe thats why he is taking soooooooooo long to come out with the new cd! He knows what we will do with ever lyric, every bridge, every adlib, grunt, moan and groan, LOL.

[Ape]

The poor guy hey? I hope he also enjoys himself without over thinking it all too much. If it comes from that place of love, it'll be just right. If it comes from that place inside him that reaches out to find that something from outside himself (hope that makes sense), then it'll be wonderful I bet.

[summer]

The poor guy hey? I hope he also enjoys himself without over thinking it all too much. If it comes from that place of love, it'll be just right. If it comes from that place inside him that reaches out to find that something from outside himself (hope that makes sense), then it'll be wonderful I bet.

I doubt Michael is thinking about it all as much as WE do. :hysterical::hysterical: He'd probably be like "Uhm...huh?" :scratch:, if he read this thread. :lol: Then again..who knows. :lol:

[turthlili]

I've tried to play catch up by going through most of what I have missed. Forgive me, I am a little rusty.

Has anyone tackled the latest message we are told is from Michael through a fan?

Here goes my two cent: If true, MJ says: "I love you from the bottom of my heart. You're a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and Innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music everyday. You inspire me and I remember everything that you ao. I love you all so much.

First, to get the true meaning of this very beautiful message, you must take out the word "All". Reread it out loud, without that word.
Intimate? Isn't it? Notice how he uses the words "purity" and "innocence", again he is trying to reveal something very key about something significant to them right now. Another key word "quintessential", we know what it mean .Opposite words that quickly come to mind could be, "small" and "insignificant". Why opposite words, because he uses two words (purity, & innocence) which signifies someone has accused her of something he feels is/was wrongfully done. He is standing up for his woman with this message. Someone wanted her to feel both small and insignificant, with this declaration of what she truly means to him, he counters that opinion of his love.
Something has happened and he is fighting for her, just like she fought for him during the trial.

yes, i think so.~~
michael is really sweet. he is there for her. watching over her, and caring about her.
if she knew, i think she must feel happy,warm,and appreciate.

[cleopatra1975]

sounds interesting. if everything i heard before is not right. i could imagine a story like. michael has a friend over the internet ( a friendship which began at the trial time and he is talking with her about feelings and all. he never said who he really was but asked her about himself like what she thinks about him. she told him that she loves michael and prayed for him all the time. and in one conversation she said she thinks he will never know what she did for him ( like praying etc). he could not tell her that he knows and knew she went one of those michaeljacksonfansites ( like mjjcommunity) and read there sometimes. so he sent a message to her via this fan.
what do you think people?
btw sorry for my english :) hugggs

[TialovesMJ]

Where did you hear this from? Or is this just your insight on this whole thread?

[summer]

Maybe Cleopatra is the secret lovah? :bugeyed :toofunny: :toofunny:

[Lorraine]

:lol: Under covaaaa Lovahhhhh LOL!!

[summer]

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

[TialovesMJ]

OMG...Maybe?? heheheeh :D

[DMGJACKSON]

sounds interesting. if everything i heard before is not right. i could imagine a story like. michael has a friend over the internet ( a friendship which began at the trial time and he is talking with her about feelings and all. he never said who he really was but asked her about himself like what she thinks about him. she told him that she loves michael and prayed for him all the time. and in one conversation she said she thinks he will never know what she did for him ( like praying etc). he could not tell her that he knows and knew she went one of those michaeljacksonfansites ( like mjjcommunity) and read there sometimes. so he sent a message to her via this fan.
what do you think people?
btw sorry for my englis :) hugggs

Thank you very much cleopatra1975...
I find what you wrote very Insightful ,,,
Michael you are an Amazingly Beautiful and humble person,Thank you for being you...

[cleopatra1975]

lol..nooo lorraine hehe believe me that can happen to everyone except to meee.. just imagining that could be possible...I guess after 98 pages I can begin to think that everything can be possible..maybe i could be right haha or I totally became insane :)

a did mj find love in the dark thread obsessed fan :)

[Ape]

See with that statement now all the online ladies are free to dream ;)

Could it be ME? Could it be you? Could it be Summer or her puppet? :P (lol sorry Summer, I just like to tease you now on here)

[Pua]

Don't look at me :blink: :unsure: :lol:

:popcorn:

[Ape]

It's like the longest episode of the Bachelor (Online version) that I've ever seen...or..read about...or dreamt or something..lol.

[TialovesMJ]

^ haha I know right!!:lol:

[Ape]

Yeah, just give her the rose already!! Enough is enough...LOL.. jk

[TialovesMJ]

LOL...i know, how many episodes do we need:? Just pick the damn girl already!!!hahahah :lol::toofunny:

[Ape]

What if it is down to just you, me and the puppet? :bugeyed

*gives your computer a virus and puts the puppet in the wash with brand new green jeans...hehehe*

[TialovesMJ]

:( :cry:......:cry:...:cry:.....HAHAHAHAH not. lol. Oh its on now!~!!LOL...

*throws your comp. inside the pool...tears up the puppet, then I act like an innocent angel, acting like nothing even happend*:innocent: me.. LOL..:P...hey I tired..LOL!!!

[Ape]

Hahaha! Too late now, *pulls out a spare computer from my pocket* Michael saw the whole thing and he chose the real angel now ;) :P ...um...... now would that be me or the sock puppet?

[TialovesMJ]

The puppet is already torn up...:P...There is still Summer..lol

[Ape]

oh shoot! yeah she is probably more angelic than I am....*throws in the towel and admits defeat*

[TialovesMJ]

hahahahahahahah lol.!!!!! poor Summer, she is defenseless..since she isnt here right now!!lol :toofunny:

[AllForMJ]

Hi you guys,

Time to do a little connecting of the dots here... lol

Check thissss out....

Rumor about MJ dating Pamela Anderson surfaces on Internet on Tues., 9/2/08.

mariemarie of the MJJC News Team gives MJJC members a heads-up about the MJ/Pamela rumor that's floating around the Internet

mariemarie posted the following at MJJC on 02-09-2008, 12:44 AM

Hello everyone. A new day. New possibilities. Actually, there are many reports about Michael's date with Pamela Anderson. A lot of gossip folks like to write their own take on the story. For example, Mike and Pam are going on a third date pretty soon. Yup, you heard it here first. You go, Pam!

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55166

Sample of the 9/2/08 articles pushing the rumor

Michael Jackson hangs out with Anderson?
Tuesday, September 2 2008, 12:34 BST

By Alex Fletcher, Entertainment Reporter

Michael Jackson has reportedly enjoyed private meetings with Pamela Anderson.

Jackson agreed to meet the former Playboy model for a string of dates in Malibu, reports The Mirror.

"It was all arranged by their people in total secrecy, very cloak and dagger," said a source.

"They arrived separately at the Shutters Hotel on Malibu Beach so no-one would suspect anything, and then had a few drinks in the bar."

The insider continued: "They were very chatty. Pamela was being her usual flirty self and Michael seemed to be responding. They are such a strange couple but they seemed to really hit it off.

"They chatted about Michael turning 50, his new album, their kids. And he seemed genuinely interested in Pamela."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a128663/michael-jackson-hangs-out-with-anderson.html

MJ's 1st message to fans surfaces on Internet around Thurs., 9/4/08, two days after Pamela rumor starts

Posted at MJJC by Dri on 09-04-2008, 04:21 PM

"Know that I truly love and appreciate all of you, from the bottom of my heart.

I will do my best for you musically, creatively and visually.

I love you all,
Michael Jackson '08"

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55249

MJ's 2nd message to fans is posted on the Internet by TALITHA on 9/6/08 at MJ's request, two days after his first message is posted.

Posted at MJJC by moonstreet on 09-06-2008, 01:37 AM
Originally posted on Internet by TALITHA on Saturday 6 September 10.34 am (gmt, London time)


“I love you all from the bottom of my heart. You’re a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music every day. You inspire me and I remember everything that you do. I love you all so much.”

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55311
[Quintessential - the essence of a thing in its purest and most concentrated form] This is a very strong and loving word when used in the way that MJ used it.

Three days after MJ's messages to his fans are posted, Pamela starts denying rumor

Below article posted at MJJC by dare_me on Tues., 09-09-2008, 12:43 PM

has anybody seen this yet?
i guess it's kind of news

Pamela Anderson Blasts Michael Jackson Dating Rumors

By Adam Nutburn, September 9 2008

Pamela Anderson has blasted reports she's dating Michael Jackson - insisting the music legend just wants her to appear in a video.
"He just wants me to be in a video," she said on The Ellen DeGeneres Show Tuesday when asked about her recent meeting with the Thriller hitmaker. "My life is so interesting. My life is a blur."
"So seriously, have you been hanging out with him?" DeGeneres asked.
"It happens ... skin cancer and Vicodin," she replied cryptically. "I don't know ... I have a lot of interesting friends."
The former Baywatch babe added that she is living with ex Tommy Lee again, but when DeGeneres asked if she was "getting any," she sighed, "no."

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55409&page=3

So, let's say both Ape and Moddie777 are on point about MJ's most recent message(s) being to his lady friend. And let's say that Moddie777 is right in saying that MJ is standing up for her. Then, based on the timing of his messages, and how they came out after the Pamela rumor, it would mean that MJ did not like the rumor and felt it would possibly mess him up with his girl.

Mike's like, "Look! Y'all gotta get off that Pamela stuff. I'm not in love with her. I know who I feel love for and from. Stop messing with my lady friend's mind."

So, the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Well allformj, It could be possible.....and more probable than mjbabe and my story of the puppet being in the running...but gosh that puppet sure is lovable..lol.

[TialovesMJ]

Yes, AllforMJ..this could be very possible :yes:....LOL Ape!!!:D

[Ape]

I like how you lay it all out there so logically, AllforMJ. Can't help but say "awww:wub:" I bet it would make his lady just melt, IF she knows it is for her and, if it really is for her. If in fact there really is a her. It is hard in this thread to remember that it is still speculation until we actually do see him with someone and he introduces her as his lady. Till then we have just these hints to go on. Very romantic if it is the case. It is so easy to get caught up in it as truth, especially when you present such a good case.

[AllForMJ]

Well allformj, It could be possible.....and more probable than mjbabe and my story of the puppet being in the running...but gosh that puppet sure is lovable..lol.

Hahaha :lol:

[Ape]

sounds interesting. if everything i heard before is not right. i could imagine a story like. michael has a friend over the internet ( a friendship which began at the trial time and he is talking with her about feelings and all. he never said who he really was but asked her about himself like what she thinks about him. she told him that she loves michael and prayed for him all the time. and in one conversation she said she thinks he will never know what she did for him ( like praying etc). he could not tell her that he knows and knew she went one of those michaeljacksonfansites ( like mjjcommunity) and read there sometimes. so he sent a message to her via this fan.
what do you think people?
btw sorry for my english :) hugggsok, just cause I feel like hanging out in this thread for a while and don't wanna sleep just yet....and because I feel like exploring this tangent for a while, and I saw a possible flaw, I'm going to put in my two cents on what you mention here. Lets just say that is all possible, what you have said (I had seen it as a possibility before) I can't see him falling for someone because she says how she feels about Michael, since she wouldn't necessarily know him in person but just as a famous icon. Because that isn't falling in love with the person. It is falling in love with the image they project onto him.

I could, however, see him talking with someone and being friends with someone online without her knowing it is him. I could see them falling for each other online (to an extent...as far as one can over a computer) I could see them becoming very close, and maybe she did support Michael through his trial in the way that any of us fans would, and maybe he took notice of it. But really I think if there is love there, and it happens to be with someone on a computer, that it wouldn't be a superficial thing like him watching from afar, because that is just a crush. I think they'd have to interact together and know each other as they are. Without masks, without holding back, without fear of judgment or false preconceived notions of what Michael Jackson is really like. Maybe he knows her better than she thinks, if this is the case. On the internet, he could know her under a variety of circumstances as various people (if online...though that seems kind of sneaky.....but whatever... IF this is the case then I guess he liked what he saw)

Pretty far fetched for it to be online though...or at least far fetched for it to be purely online. They'd have to meet face to face you'd think, for it to continue on so long. How can one hold on for so long online without in person contact. So I could see the possibility of it starting online, but online relationships are at times maddening (I have some experience at this...it is not something that can drag on forever online or I'm sure they'd go mad..lol) They would have to meet and turn it into an offline relationship for it to continue (if this is how they met).

Some lyrics to support this hypothesis:
2000 watts: highpost lady..lol.
ummmmm butterflies with Eve: in front of millions making on whatever the plot.
Human Nature: electric eyes are everywhere (lol I know I know, it was written before internet but we could just put God in there to explain that one :p )

UMMMM I can't think of any others. I am not great with the lyrics like that. Lots of Invincible CD would work with that scenario.

So that's my take on that theory.

[Ape]

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trying to figure out how to delete this double post but maybe instead I should try to add something worth reading.


OK...another scenario... Could this lady have been in his life in the past, then showed up online and somehow they found each other. Maybe if Michael Jackson comes online and checks out these places, could he have run into someone who used to know him and have a relationship with him who had been out of his life, (she's out of my life) but for some reason, wanted to come back into his life? Maybe she didn't know how to contact him and so she went online thinking maybe, with Gods help, she'd find him? Or maybe she didn't think she would find him at all, but maybe she missed him and so she would go to the fan forums to feel some of his essence that she missed. To feel him somehow, though they weren't together anymore. She would go to the forums to read the news to get an idea of how he is doing and if he's ok. Maybe see if any new music has come out or any new photos to look into his eyes to remember their times together. Maybe she just got remembering how much she loved him and wanted to bring back those memories so much stronger, so she did by spending time in his presence through his music. Maybe she wondered if some of those lyrics could be about her because she would recognize herself in them and wonder to herself if he still thinks of her every now and then.


(there..how's that for another possibility)

[TialovesMJ]

wow...nice scenerios Ape..These can be possible!

[Ape]

Or maybe he clicked on youtube and watched his love singing one of his songs, with her beautiful long yellow yarn hair and bright red lips. He gazed into her button eyes and dreamed of taking her into his arm and dancing with her, breathing in her socky aroma, so close he could brush his lips against hers, causing butterflies to ignite into flight. Then he realized that the lady is attached to a hand... and it all gets really confusing after that.

[LindaC781]

I admit. It was me. After seeing THIS picture...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/Me%20and%20my%20family/me.jpg


He said "Good Lord! WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?" and our friendship started....

[turthlili]

Thanks guys for enjoying my interpretation.

Michael is something elese, isn't he? He is leaving us clues all over the place, maybe thats why he is taking soooooooooo long to come out with the new cd! He knows what we will do with ever lyric, every bridge, every adlib, grunt, moan and groan, LOL.

i believe his talent,and ability.
but that's really a little long~ can't wait to see his new things, (that he would like to show latter).
everything he did through these years, let me think he was really happy.
if the next thing he did happy, and hoped, i will support~
hope the girl in the dark could also see his hard work for her.
she is so lucky~

[cleopatra1975]

ape wownezz.. so after reading your scenario I begin with a new one... I pick a place where they meet and all. Michael went in 1998 to Munich and stayed in a secret place ...in a normal neigborhood...anyway there was a lady who lived close there where he can see her all the time..after watching her from faraway he fell in love with her..( beautifull girl)anyway time goes he thinks how to get in touch with her.he wants to find her telephone number. so he talks with a friend and they find a possiblble solution.one day his friend followed secrectly the lady by car and make a accident..(anyway you know all the things you have to do when you make an accident) so he got her telephone and tried to talk with her but was (spechless).so after a short time she changed her telephone number he could not call again.anyway time passes the girl married..he couldnt believe that she married.( dont walk away).time passed and years passed he tried to see her from time to time when he went to munich but did not saw her( cause her family lived there still)..one day she came with his husband to her family when he was there. so she went out and he tried to followed her by his motorbike. the girl passed the street and he was cruising with his motorbike and tried to get in touch but she passed him just so.( she did not know it was him ( he met her on a walkway) anyway time passed again he tried to get in touch with her but could not see her..one day he decide to go where she is and find it out ( its not difficult to find someone if you know the name etc.) ( to be continued)

[cleopatra1975]

the story continues lol ..before he went there he finished the song (one more chance and it was scheduled to be released in november.so he went to her place and saw her with her husband and saw that she became a mother also.anyway he saw her and went with sadness.than time passed and he couldnt not stop loving her.
And than came the trial period where he went trough hell but he had an eye over her.And heard that she had at the same time problems in her marriage.so he tried to contact her but all was for nothing.anyway he than decided to wait until the trial ends.But than after the trial ended he went again to see her but could not find her cause she was back with her husband.he couldnt believe and tried to see her again and saw she wasnt really happy.so thats it .lol if anyone want to continu pls feel free.ape maybe you?... you all have great ideas you may continue like... accidently she went in to a internet page and he at the same time and they get friends..he saw her pic and saw that she was the same lady he was in love etc..
I have to say i like the posts of everyone but allformj,state of shock ,summer( lol)and apes posts are my favorites.
so all these things I wrote are only fiction.dont take it serious...

so i m anxious ...cant wait for new ideas... oh I need a doc casue of my addiction for this thread...

[TialovesMJ]

Nice scenerios!!I would make one, but my imagnation would go wild..lol it would turn into a big story if i wrote one!!!:P I like fairytales!:D

[LindaC781]

This thread is starting to remind me of a song...."Some Enchanted Evening"...

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[ruchie]

This thread is starting to remind me of a song...."Some Enchanted Evening"...

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Yeah you will see a stranger. LOL.............:wild:

[mjroxworld]

Well I don't have any scenarios, but I know that the Invincible album has a LOT more real love songs than anything previous. Knowing he does so much autobiography in his music, and there's so much in regards to experience and contact on that album, it makes me wonder who his lady friend was/is...especially since that theme continues with those Ultimate collection songs and the unreleased songs that were all mentioned at the beginning of this thread so long ago. I mean, HIStory was such an angry album, and rightly so. A few years later comes Invincible, and it's just the opposite. It's just different from anything else he's done. Michael may or may not reveal who he is so in love with; he knows the press would have a heyday with it, and ruin her. He prob. wants to protect her more than anything else. My guess is he prob. goes out with her while in disguise. he is, after all, a master at disguise; not only in costumes and such but also in a lot of other ways. Michael could be one or a bunch of people on this forum, and we wouldn't even know it. Even if he DID say, hey it's me Michael Jackson, we would not believe it cause there's so many wanna-bes out there. Anyway, whoever his lady friend is, he seems to be very happy. He deserves that. And if I never know who she is, that's fine with me, as long as I know that Michael is happy. And if they ever separate, his music would show it, and we would know, just like his music shows how in love with her he is.

[mjroxworld]

two questions: 1: Who is Princess Nouf?? 2: Who is Nona Paris Lola Jackson??

In the Invincible booklet, a special thanks (in capital letters, something reserved for special people) goes to Princess Nouf. It reads: "PRINCESS NOUF...I love you from here, now and eternity...Michael Jackson." She is a Saudi princess. Could she be the one?? Hmmm.

There is also this lady, Nona, who also claims to be "Princess Naydab", somehow in association with Zouf, who claims she is married to Michael. What the heck? Who is she??

Can someone shed some light on the subject pleeeease?

[TialovesMJ]

hmmm i am confused like you are. They are both in the Invincible album under the thank yous? wow....interesting.

[cleopatra1975]

and the enigma continues... never heard of them...and never gave attention what was written in the booklet..
So Nona is Michaels wife? right?