Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[cleopatra1975]

i dont know how to send pics here..but you can google both ladies..one is a painter..princess nouf and the lola chick can be also googled...:)

[TialovesMJ]

Nona is Princess Zaynab ???from Saudi Arabia ....:unsure:

[cleopatra1975]

http://mjjproductions.blogspot.com/2008_03_24_archive.html there is princess zaynab---

[friend]

^ LOL

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXlOVZF4Jc

[TialovesMJ]

I guess Princess Nouf had died... :( so he put her on his thank yous ... here is the link for whoever wanted to know who Princess Nouf is...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,37682,00.html

[cleopatra1975]

just wondering how sick must be a person to make such an internet page ( i mean this nona lola chick)... its scares me really. some people go really to far...

[LindaC781]

Here is Princess Nouf...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/princess_nouf.jpg

[TialovesMJ]

^^^ Aww is it true she died :(.... she is so pretty!!

[dare_me]

i know! she looks so nice and happy! hate to think there was a sad ending..

and i have some serious work to do in catching up in this thread seeing how i missed basically the entire first let's say 4/5ths or actually more like 9/10ths of this thread. and even though it's looking like i'll never make it through 101 pages i'm loving reading it all so i'm not complaining :)

[LindaC781]

Or maybe he clicked on youtube and watched his love singing one of his songs, with her beautiful long yellow yarn hair and bright red lips. He gazed into her button eyes and dreamed of taking her into his arm and dancing with her, breathing in her socky aroma, so close he could brush his lips against hers, causing butterflies to ignite into flight. Then he realized that the lady is attached to a hand... and it all gets really confusing after that.

Oh so what you are saying is that MJ's secret love is NONE OTHER than RAGGEDY ANN?? What would Raggedy ANDY think? I always knew Raggedy Ann was a HARLOT...a TRAMP... what a little WENCH...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/Raggedy_Ann_HEAD_Photo5.jpg

[friend]

^ *coughsandyisanne'sbrotherandherhairisrednotyellow coughs*

[LindaC781]

^ *coughsandyisanne'sbrotherandherhairisrednotyellow coughs*

Aw Red Hair, Yellow Hair - close enough for Jazz!

[LindaC781]

And as far as Raggedy Andy is concerned....they SAY they are brother and sister...but ya just never know...

Here she is...
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c299/lilbigmutha/raggy-ann-blonde.jpg

[friend]

^that's her evil cousin, that's not anne

[LindaC781]

^^ and how do YOU know/??? Anne may have had a little accident with the PEROXIDE...

[friend]

^ mopey michelle isn't perky like the real anne

[Ape]

This is Michael Jacksons beloved whom he found on youtube. She is much more distinguished than Raggedy Ann, who is simply a delusional fan who thinks that Michael was singing about her. No... this youtube lady is breathtakingly beautiful, and I think you will all agree it is she, and you'll understand why Michael fell head over sockless heals for her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7EcxHC-ZIo

[friend]

^ lol had flashbacks of milli vanilli - or however you spell them

[mjroxworld]

hmmm i am confused like you are. They are both in the Invincible album under the thank yous? wow....interesting.

Princess Nouf is mentioned, but not Nona. I found that lady as I was googling Princess Nouf. It's ummm...interesting. Have no idea how credible this lady's story is. It sounds kinda out there, if you look around. I'm not gonna say one way or the other.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ LOL....ohhh i have read about her alright Nona is ko ko!!!LMAO hahaha!!!!

[AllForMJ]

WOW!!! The love story thread is now over 100 pages!!! :wild:

Coooooooool...

:D

[mjroxworld]

^^ LOL....ohhh i have read about her alright Nona is ko ko!!!LMAO hahaha!!!!

I did a little more digging too. Lady is nuts. But then why does she also call herself Princess Zaynab of Saudi Arabia (btw same family name as Princess Nouf)??? Who is Princess Zaynab, and what connection does she have with this Nona nut?

[LindaC781]

This is Michael Jacksons beloved whom he found on youtube. She is much more distinguished than Raggedy Ann, who is simply a delusional fan who thinks that Michael was singing about her. No... this youtube lady is breathtakingly beautiful, and I think you will all agree it is she, and you'll understand why Michael fell head over sockless heals for her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7EcxHC-ZIo

Oh THATs who you were talking about....drop dead gorgeous is all I can say...

[TialovesMJ]

I did a little more digging too. Lady is nuts. But then why does she also call herself Princess Zaynab of Saudi Arabia (btw same family name as Princess Nouf)??? Who is Princess Zaynab, and what connection does she have with this Nona nut?


haha I have no idea.....:no:


Oh THATs who you were talking about....drop dead gorgeous is all I can say...


Oh i know...She is just STUNNING!!!lol :lol:

[LindaC781]

Have you guys seen this website? http://thefirstladyofneverland.blogspot.com/ Is THIS who you are talking about? MAN!! Talk about being seriously mentally ill!!

[TialovesMJ]

Yuppppp...very very ko ko she is.

[LindaC781]

Yuppppp...very very ko ko she is.

"Ko Ko"?? I'd say that woman was 2 beers shy of a six-pack!

[TialovesMJ]

^^what the heck? I mean she is a crazy one..like Ko Ko!!lol

[summer]

Ah I missed this thread...:lmao: And WHAT...my PUPPET???!!!! Hey now...leave mah puppet alone!!! "She needs her privacyyy...yeeeeah...yeeeeah":....:toofunny: :toofunny: You guys are CRAZY! :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[mysterygirl7]

Just wanted to add sonething..

There was a thread about the song Joy, which MJ wrote. The thing is, I don't know if he wrote the lyrics, but the first verse goes like this:

Can't forget the day
That she walked into my life
It was just the kind of thing
That was so right on time
After all the love changes
My heart had locked the door
Then that girl released her magic
And made me love once more, ooh

what do you all think...? Another MJ song that fits in with the others.. right?

[ruchie]

Just wanted to add sonething..

There was a thread about the song Joy, which MJ wrote. The thing is, I don't know if he wrote the lyrics, but the first verse goes like this:

Can't forget the day
That she walked into my life
It was just the kind of thing
That was so right on time
After all the love changes
My heart had locked the door
Then that girl released her magic
And made me love once more, ooh

what do you all think...? Another MJ song that fits in with the others.. right?


It's possible.I do love that song Joy.I wish there was a demo of him singing it. I've got The EP of that song by Blackstreet.
It was hard to find Until I found it many years ago at J&R Music world. I don't know if there's a reprint.
But I'm also thinking about I love the way you love me. The theme scape of the song probably happened or it was in bit in pieces like a code.That songs sounds so much like a Smokey Robinson's Style of song writing. I always said he sounds alittle like Smokey. And depending on the year it was written.We can guess till the cows come home of who he's speaking of and find out Why he's saying that she'll never know. It's shame that he doesn't really get the credit for writing a song that he writes for others. I know they are out there on a couple of song publishing websites. I also guess that when he writes ,it's not necessarily about who he may be involve with,but maybe he's writing about other people's experiences or this is a real guessing game and he's really good at protecting her identity so the media hounds wouldn't bother him. Take Luther Vandross' Here and Now, He wrote that song for his niece to sing at her wedding.He got the imformation from her about how much she loves her new husband to be and when he had the chance on his day off and he visits his family ,He could see the love between the two. So I guess we'll have to keep on guessing until he emerges with her.Who knows it could me he's talking about. I did see him in 2002 at a party given for him at Webster Hall in NYC. LOL.. Well I did see him but I didn't get a chance to hold his hand and told him I loved him. I wished I got that chance to hold his hand. that night but Grace was there with the Kids. Darn:D

[Moddie777]

[QUOTE=Ape;1622013][
trying to figure out how to delete this double post but maybe instead I should try to add something worth reading.


OK...another scenario... Could this lady have been in his life in the past, then showed up online and somehow they found each other. Maybe if Michael Jackson comes online and checks out these places, could he have run into someone who used to know him and have a relationship with him who had been out of his life, (she's out of my life) but for some reason, wanted to come back into his life? Maybe she didn't know how to contact him and so she went online thinking maybe, with Gods help, she'd find him? Or maybe she didn't think she would find him at all, but maybe she missed him and so she would go to the fan forums to feel some of his essence that she missed. To feel him somehow, though they weren't together anymore. She would go to the forums to read the news to get an idea of how he is doing and if he's ok. Maybe see if any new music has come out or any new photos to look into his eyes to remember their times together. Maybe she just got remembering how much she loved him and wanted to bring back those memories so much stronger, so she did by spending time in his presence through his music. Maybe she wondered if some of those lyrics could be about her because she would recognize herself in them and wonder to herself if he still thinks of her every now and then.


Totally feeling this ape. Also, in Michael's last message to the "fans", he continues to repeat something that must be important for him to convey to her, " I remember everything that you do". He has said this line before in recent years during another "message". He is giving us another BIG clue about her: Michael is revealing to us her strong character and resilance. Think about that phrase and when it's appropriate for someone of whom is in our lives to say those very words to us.? See what I mean? Others may have overlooked her but he has not and he will not.

[TialovesMJ]

wooo more to read :clap: :D

[Moddie777]

Also, Michael has released 2 messages in the same month. September? Is there a link with this particular month, this lady and their relationship?( has he ever released more than 1 message in a month, I don't remember) In addition to that, in each message Michael admits songs and lyrics will be about her. He tells us how she inspires him to "Create".
If Michael continues to feel safe, this new cd release will probably be the most autobioghrapical record he has ever released.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ what do you mean??idk..like if him and her may have shared a past together, and something may have happend in the month of Sept??:unsure:...

[Moddie777]

^^ what do you mean??idk..like if him and her may have shared a past together, and something may have happend in the month of Sept??:unsure:...

Not real sure myself MJbabe. I just wonder since he made 2 statements in same month. Could be nothing. Could be exactly what allformj said about those Pamela rumors or maybe its even more. Time will reveal our unanswered questions or perhaphs allformj, ape, linda or stateofshock can help us out, lol.

ok, gotta pretend I am busy working now.

[Ape]

mm nope, not sure. My memory ain't what it used to be...lol. I can't think of what was going on in September for Michael since I've been paying any sort of attention, can't even remember what was happening in my own life then. Maybe he just had the opportunity to say these things and pass on the messages. Maybe he just felt like it.

[SoS]

sorry moddie Girl, I don't have anything to add lol um OK, I feel MJ is talking to his fan/s :lol:
seriously though,
As for the September theory, I dunno, I feel what AllforMJ said makes sense, I def would not be the one to think that anyone's going to know by looking at what he was publicly doing lol. and, the fact that such a kinda long message (the second one) came third hand gives me a slight 'pause' unless it was recorded maybe by phone, pc and transcribed or whatever but I'm not one to 'trust' third party communications ... its just me (remember the game in elementary school where the teacher tells one person something and has them pass it around the room and by the time it gets back to the teacher it is a completely different thing altogether? and is usually traced to that first THIRD party lol,) as for September, hm :scratch:well it is the month after August the end of which is his birthday so, maybe that has something to do with it, or maybe they 'met' in August ... did this 'message' come about a day after the fan/s talked to MJ, a week? a couple weeks? I may be too analytical to even 'go' here at all :lol: Did (or HOW did) the fan/s remember each word MJ said, was it exactly verbatum? Was even 1 word off from what he actually said? sorry.... :giggle: I'm no help

[Ape]

It would be nice for that clarification. I would imagine they'd have written it down while he dictated it to them just because it IS such a long and detailed message. Darn, I thought you were going to write another of your sleuthing posts, the eye opening "hmmm interesting" posts..lol. When I saw you had replied I came to read straight away.

[mjroxworld]

I think you all are reading too much into these messages. He sent them out right after his 50th birthday, a landmark for anyone, he's happy, he wants to tell his fans how much he appreciates them, since it's really been a long time since he's talked to them. End of story. maybe not the most romantic thing, but I think it's dangerous to read between the lines like that and put words in Michael's mouth and twist what he is saying. Everyone here knows how much Michael despises when people twist what he says, and/or read something in that isn't there, even if it is seemingly harmless. Paparazzi/tabloids are notorious for it; we his fans don't need to be put in the same category. We should know better and be more careful. Sorry for being so blunt but that's how I feel about it.

I think his messages are beautiful the way they are and were meant for his fans. :)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[summer]

Also, Michael has released 2 messages in the same month. September? Is there a link with this particular month, this lady and their relationship?( has he ever released more than 1 message in a month, I don't remember) In addition to that, in each message Michael admits songs and lyrics will be about her. He tells us how she inspires him to "Create".
If Michael continues to feel safe, this new cd release will probably be the most autobioghrapical record he has ever released.

Why September?:fortuneteller: Well....OF COURSE because of THIS...*drumroll*



Do you remember the 21st night of september?
Love was changing the minds of pretenders
While chasing the clouds away

Our hearts were ringing
In the key that our souls were singing.
As we danced in the night,
Remember how the stars stole the night away

Ba de ya - say do you remember
Ba de ya - dancing in september
Ba de ya - never was a cloudy day

My thoughts are with you
Holding hands with your heart to see you
Only blue talk and love,
Remember how we knew love was here to stay

Now december found the love that we shared in september.
Only blue talk and love,
Remember the true love we share today

Ba de ya - say do you remember
Ba de ya - dancing in september
Ba de ya - never was a cloudy day

Ba de ya - say do you remember
Ba de ya - dancing in september
Ba de ya - golden dreams were shiny days


:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical:

*singing* Ba ba ba baaa de yaaa de yaaa say do you remember baaa de yaaa deee ya dancing in september....

:mello:
















:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hys terical: Sorry, I just HAD to! :tease::lol:

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I've tried to play catch up by going through most of what I have missed. Forgive me, I am a little rusty.

Has anyone tackled the latest message we are told is from Michael through a fan?

Here goes my two cent: If true, MJ says: "I love you from the bottom of my heart. You're a quintessential part of everything I do, of everything I create. I feel your purity and Innocence from all across the world. I feel your love and it inspires me to create music everyday. You inspire me and I remember everything that you ao. I love you all so much.

First, to get the true meaning of this very beautiful message, you must take out the word "All". Reread it out loud, without that word.
Intimate? Isn't it? Notice how he uses the words "purity" and "innocence", again he is trying to reveal something very key about something significant to them right now. Another key word "quintessential", we know what it mean .Opposite words that quickly come to mind could be, "small" and "insignificant". Why opposite words, because he uses two words (purity, & innocence) which signifies someone has accused her of something he feels is/was wrongfully done. He is standing up for his woman with this message. Someone wanted her to feel both small and insignificant, with this declaration of what she truly means to him, he counters that opinion of his love.
Something has happened and he is fighting for her, just like she fought for him during the trial.

Wow that's deep :yes: I loved so much your interpretation

[mysterygirl7]

I feel similarly. The reason I do not like the idea of his messages to his fans having a double meaning, in that they also include a personal message to a lady friend, is that I feel it diminishes the deep and sincere gratitude and love he wishes to express to his loyal fans. If I was his lady friend , I don't think it would sit right with me...I don't think the two should be mixed. There are bound to be other ways he can communicate with her besides through fan messages. The love and appreciation he has for his fans stands alone as a beautiful thing. And he and his whole family were so deeply affected by the support the fans gave to MJ during that trial. That is why I want to believe his message after the trial was wholely for his fans...because he was so deeply, deeply touched. And I feel the same way about all his messages to his fans. If he is squeezing some message in there for some gal...that would cheapen it...is my feeling. Let him love some woman with all his heart, how wonderful if he does, but may he show his love for his fans separatedly. I am sure that lucky woman who has his heart would understand completely.

I agree 100%:yes:

[Moddie777]

Wow that's deep :yes: I loved so much your interpretation

Thanks Snow white luvs Peter Pan. Michael is the Deep One.

[Moddie777]

sorry moddie Girl, I don't have anything to add lol um OK, I feel MJ is talking to his fan/s :lol:
seriously though,
As for the September theory, I dunno, I feel what AllforMJ said makes sense, I def would not be the one to think that anyone's going to know by looking at what he was publicly doing lol. and, the fact that such a kinda long message (the second one) came third hand gives me a slight 'pause' unless it was recorded maybe by phone, pc and transcribed or whatever but I'm not one to 'trust' third party communications ... its just me (remember the game in elementary school where the teacher tells one person something and has them pass it around the room and by the time it gets back to the teacher it is a completely different thing altogether? and is usually traced to that first THIRD party lol,) as for September, hm :scratch:well it is the month after August the end of which is his birthday so, maybe that has something to do with it, or maybe they 'met' in August ... did this 'message' come about a day after the fan/s talked to MJ, a week? a couple weeks? I may be too analytical to even 'go' here at all :lol: Did (or HOW did) the fan/s remember each word MJ said, was it exactly verbatum? Was even 1 word off from what he actually said? sorry.... :giggle: I'm no help

You are always a great help stateofshock! And yes, I do remember that game around the table in Elementary school, lol.

[TialovesMJ]

Yes, he sure is. and MJ is also very mysterious!

[SoS]

You are always a great help stateofshock! And yes, I do remember that game around the table in Elementary school, lol.

Yes and ever since then i don't trust anything someone says that someone said, :giggle: not unless they are present for me to ask them on the spot because even then, clarity can come out in the wash.

And, aw thanks, presuming that means I can occasionally stimulate a brain cell or two here or there lol and that's nice to know, I appreciate it. I feel part of the fun of this thread is that imaginations get to soar.and it gives us something to do with the music while we await new music. For me that's the main fun of being in this thread. and due to time, I don't have much opportunity to post and when I do its just my feeling related to a song . You all "lost" me with him standing up for her and "editing" his messages to see 'other' messages in there etc. but its still relaxing after a long days' work :lol: It could add to the enjoyment if such theories could be supported by something we can all see. Interestingly, (imho) the timeline that the extremely observant Ms. Holmes, I mean AllforMJ pointed out is very striking mostly because (although I never would have probably noticed it myself) its there to be seen and that lends credence to potential "reality" at least lol.

Now, your 'scenarios' are stimulating too, keeping in mind the fact of taking the "LIBERTY" of removing the word "All" lol in order to see it as being directed to one person but again, (as with the message after the trial) I feel that if we do that with "all" of his messages lol MJ's poor lil ole fans would have "nothin' commin" :lol: you know...as far as him showing his true appreciation for things fans do, which obviously range from putting together birthday greetings, videos, artwork, poetry, websites.....to .............imitation (the greatest form of flattery imho) , fan fiction, photo-shopping, gifs, lusting ..... :lol: ..and obviously the list goes on so for obvious reasons he probably remembers everything they do, (or wants to convey that he does) - BUT- I know you know ALL of that so if you could lend clarification on where those thoughts (of taking out the word "all" and her being in need of his support etc.) originates it would be great and again, if it all originates in that romantic imagination of yours then that's great too becaues that's part of the fun of being here... everyone gets to see it all however they see it. As for me myself, I'm only really interested in the musical aspect and look forward to getting back to it.


It would be nice for that clarification. I would imagine they'd have written it down while he dictated it to them just because it IS such a long and detailed message. Darn, I thought you were going to write another of your sleuthing posts, the eye opening "hmmm interesting" posts..lol. When I saw you had replied I came to read straight away. :sorry to let you down :lol:
well, I will repeat, that timeline of AllforMJ's is interesting because the rationale behind it is supported by facts. Everything else is heresay :lol: .. I really just look forward to getting back into the music, otherwise, I truly have no opinion. I just let y'all be the ones to come up with all this other stuff ....:giggle: ...... whatever ...its all very entertaining after a long days' work, either way it goes.

[Ape]

Yes for sure..lol. I sometimes want to jumpstart this thread and get something new into it like a novel in progress but till there is new music, it is pretty difficult to do without bringing imagination into it. So that can be fun for a time but it seems the balls in his court now if we are to bring anything solid into this thread. What else can we do? I guess reanalyze them.

Which timeline are you talking about? The one with his two new messages to the fans, or the overall one where he seems to have that in love feeling, and is expressing that ,and has been since 2003 even through the trial?

Without being able to be a part of his personal life, I think it will be pretty difficult, if not impossible to really know what is going on. We can speculate and make educated guesses based on everything we are able to see, but if he didn't want others to know about it then he could be having a relationship right now under wraps. He could have something so passionate that can't help but seep out into the music. That is where we get our clues, but will we ever really know? Not unless we know him personally and know him well and he wants us to know (I think).

The thing that gets me is this reoccurring "she'll never know" or "she never knows" idea which suggests that she doesn't even know or isn't aware of his deep love for her.....and that kind of saddens me in a way. If he loves someone THIS much, how can she not know? Why doesn't she know? Is it because he does hide his messages to her in his messages to fans, or because he expresses this love to her through songs that she is supposed to discover, but he doesn't just tell her? Or is it that he does tell her but she never knows because she doesn't believe he is sincere? IS this a love from afar and he hasn't gotten the guts to grab her in his arms and tell her just how much he loves her? If that is the case...why hasn't he? Will he? Will she know then? Will she finally get it? Maybe she is the stubborn oblivious one. lol... Come onnnnnnnn Michael we want the sequel!

[Pua]

:popcorn::wub: :popcorn:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

Yes for sure..lol. I sometimes want to jumpstart this thread and get something new into it like a novel in progress but till there is new music, it is pretty difficult to do without bringing imagination into it. So that can be fun for a time but it seems the balls in his court now if we are to bring anything solid into this thread. What else can we do? I guess reanalyze them.

well there are SO MANY other songs MJ has done, in fact there is one that made me think of this thread the other day

I thought to myself what fun the gals might would have analyzing this one

Fly Away which he had added to the Special Edition of Bad

Its interesting because it was initially recorded with MJ and his sister Rebbie for Rebbie's album, and MJ re-recorded it, ever so slightly changed a few lyrics and added it to the SE of Bad in 2001 for some reason, the same year Invincible was released.

Its very beautiful.

"I'll give you my heart, no place too far for us...."

It'd be interesting to know if anyone can distinguish the lyrics. Its not easy.

here's Rebbie's: (her lyrics are a bit easier to distinguish and more simple)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjSrQ7GRlLg


here's Michael's: (he seems to have slightly changed a few lyrics and its not easy to understand but sounds interesting)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vhNbyHKts



Which timeline are you talking about? The one with his two new messages to the fans, or the overall one where he seems to have that in love feeling, and is expressing that ,and has been since 2003 even through the trial?

I'm referring to this bit of "sleuthing" lol by AllforMJ:


Hi you guys,


Time to do a little connecting of the dots here... lol

Check thissss out....

Rumor about MJ dating Pamela Anderson surfaces on Internet on Tues., 9/2/08.

mariemarie of the MJJC News Team gives MJJC members a heads-up about the MJ/Pamela rumor that's floating around the Internet

mariemarie posted the following at MJJC on 02-09-2008, 12:44 AM


Sample of the 9/2/08 articles pushing the rumor


MJ's 1st message to fans surfaces on Internet around Thurs., 9/4/08, two days after Pamela rumor starts


MJ's 2nd message to fans is posted on the Internet by TALITHA on 9/6/08 at MJ's request, two days after his first message is posted.

Posted at MJJC by moonstreet on 09-06-2008, 01:37 AM
Originally posted on Internet by TALITHA on Saturday 6 September 10.34 am (gmt, London time)

[Quintessential - the essence of a thing in its purest and most concentrated form] This is a very strong and loving word when used in the way that MJ used it.

Three days after MJ's messages to his fans are posted, Pamela starts denying rumor

Below article posted at MJJC by dare_me on Tues., 09-09-2008, 12:43 PM


So, let's say both Ape and Moddie777 are on point about MJ's most recent message(s) being to his lady friend. And let's say that Moddie777 is right in saying that MJ is standing up for her. Then, based on the timing of his messages, and how they came out after the Pamela rumor, it would mean that MJ did not like the rumor and felt it would possibly mess him up with his girl.

Mike's like, "Look! Y'all gotta get off that Pamela stuff. I'm not in love with her. I know who I feel love for and from. Stop messing with my lady friend's mind."

So, the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

:popcorn:





Without being able to be a part of his personal life, I think it will be pretty difficult, if not impossible to really know what is going on. We can speculate and make educated guesses based on everything we are able to see, but if he didn't want others to know about it then he could be having a relationship right now under wraps. He could have something so passionate that can't help but seep out into the music. That is where we get our clues, but will we ever really know? Not unless we know him personally and know him well and he wants us to know (I think).

The thing that gets me is this reoccurring "she'll never know" or "she never knows" idea which suggests that she doesn't even know or isn't aware of his deep love for her.....and that kind of saddens me in a way. If he loves someone THIS much, how can she not know? Why doesn't she know? Is it because he does hide his messages to her in his messages to fans, or because he expresses this love to her through songs that she is supposed to discover, but he doesn't just tell her? Or is it that he does tell her but she never knows because she doesn't believe he is sincere? IS this a love from afar and he hasn't gotten the guts to grab her in his arms and tell her just how much he loves her? If that is the case...why hasn't he? Will he? Will she know then? Will she finally get it? Maybe she is the stubborn oblivious one. lol... Come onnnnnnnn Michael we want the sequel!
It kind of reminds me of when a guy and girl have been friends for a long time then one of them's feelings "shift" and they have great anxiety over when and how to tell the other one they're in love with them. Could it be something similiar? This thread is afterall about a secret "friend" :unsure: that seems to kind of line up.




Ha, ha, ha! I think I'd like her is she was.
that's interesting lol can you say how come?

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Sdeidjs]

:popcorn::wub: :popcorn:

Ladies & Gents...you truly crack me up...love the emotioncons...

[SoS]

Well, first I'd like to take a moment to fix my typo. Gah.



Now that feels better.

Well, because it just would be refreshing with so many women out there wanting to be MJ's main squeeze,and, I think so many that feel they have reasons to believe they "could be" MJ's main squeeze based on something that occured in relationship to him in their past....that there could be some woman out there that really does have his heart... but keeps doubting it, because, well...a part of her just can't believe it. Ya know what i mean?

And the stubborn part maybe because she sees so many women who "want" him and she's like...I do not want to be like them! And if nothing so far has shown her she is not like them to him....then she just might get "stubborn."

Now when I wrote my post that you quoted, I don't think I really had it all thought through...but for you...just for you, SoS! Haha...I put down thoughts. How did I do? you did very well, not sure I agree :giggle: but you did very well :yes:

[TialovesMJ]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: heheh

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

I hope more people add their thoughts. I really do enjoy reading all this, even when it is about whether we agree with someone or not..lol. I do like how you described my possibly fictitious person though queenie.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Lol, well seriously I did enjoy reading your posts. No need to roll your eyes at yourself. Not that this thread is here purely for MY entertainment and enjoyment, but I thought I'd let you know here since the reputation points thing wasn't working for me just now.

I remember when I first heard that fly away song. Someone showed it to me in chat. Actually I think his name WAS "fly away" come to think of it. It's a beautiful song. I am going to have to listen to both versions later on tonight SOS.

[TialovesMJ]

Owwww an oblivious type..:D

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[TialovesMJ]

^^ LOL.....well this lady has him down on his knees hahaha :P :D

[SoS]

Owwww an oblivious type..:D Babe that's cute lol


Glad I did well...(yuppie!) :D
you DID! :yes:

:lollipop: :P lol




however....

I am not saying this is what is going on with the "possible one" in his life, at all! But you asked me why I would like her if she was (as Ape worded it, since this is where this came from) "the stubborn oblivious one," I gave a shot at answering you. :) But since my post was simply my answer to your question on why I would 'like" her....why would it involve anyone agreeing or not....it was just my answer.

Now you may "not agree" to "like" someone who is ""the stubborn oblivious one" type. *laughs* And you would probably not be alone in that. Very possibly Mr. Michael Jackson would be right in there with ya!.


well true :D you didn't invite agreement or disagreement but ya know...on message boards we tend to express those things :giggle:

it was done out of innocence :)

seriously, I wasn't randomly disagreeing to be randomly disagreeable or anything, and was rushing too fast when i posted that so i didn't specify but since i feel sure you won't mind if i join you in elaborating a bit, (without beating a dead horse lol) the part that stood out that made me type that quick notation was


And the stubborn part maybe because she sees so many women who "want" him and she's like...I do not want to be like them! And if nothing so far has shown her she is not like them to him....then she just might get "stubborn
it just seemed to me that if she truly loves and cares for him stubborness about NOT wanting him (for any reason) would be a moot point

wouldn't it? :scratch:

ok >> :2cents:

but....Right? :unsure:


I mean would she not instinctively understand why zillions of women are wanting him and just feel duly honored that he cares for her too, out of all of them that he could have chosen from? :unsure:

especially if they're truly a "match" therefore also even grateful to God that she finally met her "match" ? :scratch: i dunno

call me illogical :lol:

but I mean, :bugeyed they could get osteo-arthritis, white hair, and hip replacements waiting for stubborness to melt away!


:unsure: who has that kind of time?

:giggle: life is getting shorter every day

and she's being "stubborn" :lmao: because she doesn't want to be like everyone else

ok I owe you now :flowers:

so even though you didn't ask I offer you some random agreement :D


I am not saying this is what is going on with the "possible one" in his life, at all! I agree! :lol:



But I did my part, I dutifully answered your question. aw you're sweet :D


Besides, in this thread, it has been often times suggested that this lady friend knows she's the one, and MJ knows she's the one, and they have both known this for some years. So there ya go. true and even with that, unless MJ has let her know specifically, she may still be hard pressed to presume his songs are "about" her .... I mean c'mon :lol: its kind of the same principle with the "fan message" thing in a way in the sense that zillions of females will feel he's talking to them and since its a record released to the public ...well...there ya go.... and besides, the most famous man in the world has to know more people than anyone in the world, especially over the course of a couple decades......so at this rate, yes I can see how "she'd never know" :doh: :lol: ..



Now...I actually like popcorn as well as I like the stubborn oblivious types, so...

:popcorn:

Y'all carry on



:popcorn: me too and obviosly lots of emoticons lol

o well, do ... or shall I say let's carry on

oh wait. i have a question



Yeah, they are always the hawt ones
what does it mean, hawt? :unsure:

:D if you don't mind telling me

after picking your post apart :toofunny: you prolly never wanna answer me again

:) :D

[Ape]

it just seemed to me that if she truly loves and cares for him stubborness about NOT wanting him (for any reason) would be a moot point

wouldn't it? :scratch:

ok >> :2cents:

but....Right? :unsure:


I mean would she not instinctively understand why zillions of women are wanting him and just feel duly honored that he cares for her too, out of all of them that he could have chosen from? :unsure:

especially if they're truly a "match" therefore also even grateful to God that she finally met her "match" ? :scratch: i dunno

call me illogical :lol:

but I mean, :bugeyed they could get osteo-arthritis, white hair, and hip replacements waiting for stubborness to melt away!


:unsure: who has that kind of time?

:giggle: life is getting shorter every day

and she's being "stubborn" :lmao: because she doesn't want to be like everyone else

ok I owe you now :flowers:

so even though you didn't ask I offer you some random agreement :D

I agree! :lol:


aw you're sweet :D

true and even with that, unless MJ has let her know specifically, she may still be hard pressed to presume his songs are "about" her .... I mean c'mon :lol: its kind of the same principle with the "fan message" thing in a way in the sense that zillions of females will feel he's talking to them and since its a record released to the public ...well...there ya go.... and besides, the most famous man in the world has to know more people than anyone in the world, especially over the course of a couple decades......so at this rate, yes I can see how "she'd never know" :doh: :lol: ..




:popcorn: me too and obviosly lots of emoticons lol

o well, do ... or shall I say let's carry on

oh wait. i have a question

what does it mean, hawt? :unsure:

:D if you don't mind telling me

after picking your post apart :lmao:

:) :Dhawt = hot = sizzlin = sexy = hard to resist type of allure ;) ;) suddenly I feel flirtatious..hhahaha, you just can't type those words and not feel that way. phew, it's getting hawt in here :P.

Now THIS is more like it. I am so glad you guys are all posting again. We got some good interesting thoughts happening here.

Now I wanted to comment on your stubborn point...not that your point is stubborn but ..well.. what was I going to say now?..ah yes. I was going to say maybe (going along with what queen g said) she is stubborn about it being just like anyone else. Maybe she is stubbornly wanting to be oblivious to it because she isn't in love with MJ the famous icon. She is in love with Michael Jackson, the man who just happens to also be a famous icon. Maybe she wants there to be that distinction that it isn't a love based on what he can do, but a love based on who he is. Not the Fame, but the man.

Though....if they love each other I can't see that slowing things down any. It really shouldn't matter in the least.

About the bolded part... This is probably why she wouldn't presume these songs/messages etc are for her. Hence the obliviousness.....and possibly a stubbornness because if he loves a woman, he needs to tell her straightforwardly rather than beat around the bush and throw these little possible hints etc out there for someone to MAYBE catch hold of. Stubborn because any woman would want to be told directly rather than have to try to figure something out and possibly be wrong about it thus making her into a fool basically. A fool if wrong, so then really the only thing to do is to think it ISN'T about her and possibly be told she is wrong, which is a much nicer scenario than thinking these songs and messages are about her and being told NO, You are wrong. Sorry. Easy to see if one places ones self in her shoes in this possible reality, possible fantasy..lol. I wonder what kind of shoes we'd be placing ourselves into. ....wasn't there something about pink pumps? hahaha. I might have difficulty walking in shoes like that, so they might be uncomfortable shoes to place ourselves in :bugeyed (LMAO did you know the name of this smilie is "for the love of..." hahah)

OK I seem to be in the mood for talking tonight ... hope that's ok. Random thoughts here I come!!...maybe.

I am editing because I disagree with myself..lol. The underlined part I disagree with because it actually is really romantic IF it isn't the only way she is told (IF it was meant for her as well). If she does somehow get to know these are for her without having to guess...or if she eventually gets to know or he eventually tells her, or lets her know somehow. I just think that it would be difficult to wonder and not want to be made a fool of. I'm sure no woman would want to be made to look foolish who knows him, or knew him and wonders about his feelings for her and about the things we have talked about in this thread.

[SoS]

hawt = hot = sizzlin = sexy = hard to resist type of allure ;) ;) oh thanks for that LOL!!


hawt = hot = sizzlin = sexy = hard to resist type of allure ;) ;) suddenly I feel flirtatious..hhahaha, you just can't type those words and not feel that way. phew, it's getting hawt in here :P.

Now THIS is more like it. I am so glad you guys are all posting again. We got some good interesting thoughts happening here.

Now I wanted to comment on your stubborn point...not that your point is stubborn but ..well.. what was I going to say now?..ah yes. I was going to say maybe (going along with what queen g said) she is stubborn about it being just like anyone else. Maybe she is stubbornly wanting to be oblivious to it because she isn't in love with MJ the famous icon. She is in love with Michael Jackson, the man who just happens to also be a famous icon. Maybe she wants there to be that distinction that it isn't a love based on what he can do, but a love based on who he is. Not the Fame, but the man. ok that's making sense although I'm not quite seeing where "stubborness" plays into that (maybe i'm just getting hung up on a general type of word) but certainly I can see her wanting to make sure he knows there is a distinction but if he feels he's in love with her it would seem that he's clear on that much already. I'm sorry lol I'm not 'getting' what there would be for her to be stubborn about ..


Though....if they love each other I can't see that slowing things down any. It really shouldn't matter in the least. true, unless she is truly oblivious. Now if she's been following his music at all (and I can't see him singing all this time "to" someone who isn't) she may, as you've said, sense a resonance of some songs, but even with that, she's got to be aware that everyone listening to his music feels he's singing to them, even since he was a child singing songs by "the corporation"


About the bolded part... This is probably why she wouldn't presume these songs/messages etc are for her. Hence the obliviousness.....and possibly a stubbornness because if he loves a woman, he needs to tell her straightforwardly rather than beat around the bush and throw these little possible hints etc out there for someone to MAYBE catch hold of. Stubborn because any woman would want to be told directly rather than have to try to figure something out and possibly be wrong about it thus making her into a fool basically. A fool if wrong, so then really the only thing to do is to think it ISN'T about her and possibly be told she is wrong, which is a much nicer scenario than thinking these songs and messages are about her and being told NO, You are wrong. Sorry. Easy to see if one places ones self in her shoes in this possible reality, possible fantasy..lol. I wonder what kind of shoes we'd be placing ourselves into. ....wasn't there something about pink pumps? hahaha. I might have difficulty walking in shoes like that, so they might be uncomfortable shoes to place ourselves in :bugeyed (LMAO did you know the name of this smilie is "for the love of..." hahah) Now this makes great sense and as for the bolded part, I'm wondering if, because of his shyness, if he is mayybe "prepping" himself and her for a more direct approach?



OK I seem to be in the mood for talking tonight ... hope that's ok. Random thoughts here I come!!...maybe.
me too although I prolly won't go in RT unless insomnia rears its ugly head later on lol

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

^ :toofunny:


emphasis on "random" not on "agreement."
:toofunny:


au contrare...ya just got my :2cents: !!! :toofunny:




strangles SoS* It's simpler that way. :toofunny:




what do you have against stubbornness in particular? Have you EVER given it a chance?
NO!!! :toofunny: my side is SPLITTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! o goodness this was too funny!!!


:) :D *strangles again* :wild: gag!! :toofunny: o goodness!!!!


But Ape, you did much better job responding to SoS than me....I commend you.:flowers: yes thank you Ape!!!! :lmao: :lol: you saved the day!<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[TialovesMJ]

man....I love reading these a lot. Bring on the obliviousness and stuborness on :D !!! :popcorn: lol

[Ape]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO ohhhhhh but your's had me laughing so hard my gut hurts...lol. I like that better. hahahahaha ohhhh I missed this!! I did. can't we all just meet in person instead of typing...aw well this is ok too. Nice and relaxing and I don't have to care about the mess of papers that somehow got on my floor (baby).

SOS you are being very stubborn about not liking that word :P ;)

[SoS]

^ :lol: I"m not I tell you I"m NOT

its just such a ... i dunno ...

unbecoming word lol

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

alright how about this then.... ummmm... rather than stubborn she is ....what is the word??....argh...um... well... stands by what she believes in? which in this case would be standing by being oblivious? or... stick-to-it-iveness? or something like that.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

:mellow: I have no idea what you're talking about

lol

ok to me stubborness seems to imply she doesn't want to be "the one" or whatever .... I dunno .... it just doesn't seem to FIT somehow

are you saying that MJ is a stubborn kind of fella? lol

[Ape]

by the way, no one said she had to be perfect and every part of her has to be ..becoming? I would imagine part of the attraction to her is the imperfections, just as his imperfections are attractive as well. We aren't meant to be absolutely perfect. It's the imperfections that so often endear us to another. We aren't robots, therefor, we will have faults ... and I guess a robot would probably have faults as well. Nevermind my gibberjabbering.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

^ I'm sorry :lol: maybe tts just over my head

but that's okay

I'll just follow along :popcorn:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

by the way, no one said she had to be perfect and every part of her has to be ..becoming? I would imagine part of the attraction to her is the imperfections, just as his imperfections are attractive as well. We aren't meant to be absolutely perfect. It's the imperfections that so often endear us to another. We aren't robots, therefor, we will have faults ... and I guess a robot would probably have faults as well. Nevermind my gibberjabbering.

yeh yeh but where did the concept of "stubborn" even come from? Ok, so she's imperfect ...

but STUBBORN? :doh: :lol: like I say, I'll just follow along ...

:popcorn: maybe it'll sink in eventually :


By the way...why are we getting so deep into the persona of the possibly fictitious person that Ape came up with.. just to give as an added illustration of whatever she was talking about at the time (it seems sooooooooooo long ago now...who can remember?)

I believe it was when Ape first introduced the idea of walking a mile in her mochosins, flip flops, pink heels or whatever lol and it did seem to make sense that if "she" is somewhere listening to the songs as everyone here is, then her possible point of view is something worth considering ...

[Ape]

:mellow: I have no idea what you're talking about

lol

ok to me stubborness seems to imply she doesn't want to be "the one" or whatever .... I dunno .... it just doesn't seem to FIT somehow

are you saying that MJ is a stubborn kind of fella? lolOh I'd say he is stubborn. I think there is a positive version of that adjective though. It is actually a good quality in many instances. I like my kids being somewhat stubborn because they won't be so easily swayed and will not be sheep following the herd. I don't think it is about someone not WANTING to be the one. I don't know...maybe it is simply what I said in that she doesn't want to be presumptuous in saying "It's ME! I am who he loves and who these songs are for" because ...well. .. she could be wrong. So she may just leave it up to him to tell her in a straightforward, no nonsense type of way. An unmistakable way. So she knows she isn't just going insane thinking he's in love with her.. but there is a reason for her wondering these things and it goes beyond her imagination, or coincidences or similarities in her experiences and the songs etc. Quite possibly.

[Ape]

By the way...why are we getting so deep into the persona of the possibly fictitious person that Ape came up with.. just to give as an added illustration of whatever she was talking about at the time (it seems sooooooooooo long ago now...who can remember?)
This is sooooo much fun. That is why we continue on with it. That SOS is SOOOOO stubborn isn't she :P lol. (just teasing)

yeh yeh but where did the concept of "stubborn" even come from? Ok, so she's imperfect ...

but STUBBORN? :doh: :lol: like I say, I'll just follow along ...

:popcorn: maybe it'll sink in eventually : I actually forget. :lol: but now that it is out there... guess we just went with it.

[SoS]

Oh I'd say he is stubborn. I think there is a positive version of that adjective though. It is actually a good quality in many instances. I like my kids being somewhat stubborn because they won't be so easily swayed and will not be sheep following the herd. I don't think it is about someone not WANTING to be the one. I don't know...maybe it is simply what I said in that she doesn't want to be presumptuous in saying "It's ME! I am who he loves and who these songs are for" because ...well. .. she could be wrong. So she may just leave it up to him to tell her in a straightforward, no nonsense type of way. An unmistakable way. So she knows she isn't just going insane thinking he's in love with her.. but there is a reason for her wondering these things and it goes beyond her imagination. Quite possibly.




^ Ape you're so deep! lol you really are

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

I agree, being that he seems to be a human, human being, the idea that he probably would be compatible with a fellow human-human being makes sense




I still don't see why y'all have got to call the lady 'stubborn" just because she's human :lol: I mean what has she done to merit such an inquiry into her maleableness?

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

^ I thought she was made up by you!! You're the one that's got her being a stone cold brick wall :lol:

:wild:

ok, ok


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs clutching neck

[Ape]

*whispers once again to SoS before she leaves....this lady is a made up character by Ape. Don't become so emotionally attached to her*
What if she's real :O it's ok SOS, you can get attached. She's cute and likable that way.

oh I want to throw a 2000 watt wrench into this thread just cause.

Here's what I wrote in that thread about the possible meaning
When I first heard this song, I was new to computers and new to chatting/forums and conversing with people online. For me back then, I thought it was about that. I was so naive back then, but I'll explain anyways how I thought.
"you feel I'm real" like someone you are talking with, you feel they are sincere OR you feel it's Michael Jackson..lol.
"I'm everything you need so tell me what's the deal" pretty self explanatory but sounds like he thinks he's everything she needs.
"careful what you say, don't overload" careful what you say so you don't turn him off (not sexually..just in general).
"highpost lady
Shorty really wanna be there for me" Highpost lady sounds like someone who posts lots...lol. So..does she really want to be there for him?
3d?=in person?
Now he could have used all the technology as an analogy for other things I guess, or to bring the technology into it.

Anyways...I don't really know WHAT it's really about, but this is how I used to see it when I first heard it like...5 and a half years ago. So it WAS a woman from online :P her name is Highpost lady, or Shorty..lol. and She is very stubborn. tsk tsk ..

[SoS]

What if she's real :O it's ok SOS, you can get attached. She's cute and likable that way.

oh I want to throw a 2000 watt wrench into this thread just cause.

Here's what I wrote in that thread about the possible meaning So it WAS a woman from online :P her name is Highpost lady, or Shorty..lol. and She is very stubborn. tsk tsk ..

Very clever :lol:

Whether that's what he meant by it or your interpretation - either way - very clever :yes: :lol:

high post lady :lmao:

[TialovesMJ]

Hahahah LOL.... wow :lol: Mrs. 2000 watts..Mrs. High post lady.woooooooooo MJ..go get her!!LOL :P

[Ape]

HAHA she's already got nic names from us... poor lady. But she's so endearing already dontcha think? Ms.Stubborn2000watts Highpostlady.

Stubborn and oblivious. What else are her qualities. Does she enjoy running around in her flipflops or moccasins? I think she would throw the pumps out once she got home from that ONE excursion with them. Maybe Michael will massage her feet for her.

[TialovesMJ]

Hahahhaha :lol:...

well at least we know her name now..omg its been leaked out.. we are getting closer to the mystery LOL... hehe Just Kidding :D :P

[Ape]

OMgorsch :o what have I done? Sorry Highpost Lady... I am sorry. Please forgive me and still invite me to the wedding.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

Just to throw a disclaimer out there. This is still a possible fictitious character I had thought up in one of my posts that we have been going on about. The lady he possibly loves may not be stubborn at all and could be very pleasant in many aspects, probably is in fact.

That said, I really like what you have said there gueen g and do agree. I hope your son is feeling better today.

[cleopatra1975]

her name could be also 2000watts d-lo, highpostlady

[AllForMJ]

Hi guys,

I got a little something for you all to see!

While I was waiting for MJJC to come back online, I had visited the KOP Discussion board a few times to see if there was any news about MJ. Gotta try to stay abreast of the latest. Ya know how that goes! lol.

While I was there browsing, I ran across a very unexpected treat that brought back some great, great memories for me! OMG!

There's a member there by the name of jaywonder that's planning to put a video on YouTube of MJ being interviewed by an Oakland based television network called "Soul Beat." "Soul Beat" is the network we used to watch music videos on back in the day.

The reason why I'm so excited about jaywonder's plan to upload the video to YouTube, is because it is a video of an interview that MJ did on the very day that I met him!! It's such a small world!! Now, you can see him for yourselves!!

On Aug 24 2008, 01:05 AM, jaywonder posted a couple of photos of the interview. These are from jaywonder's personal collection, so these are never before seen photos of MJ and he is wearing the black pull-over, long sleeved, turtle neck shirt and vest that I described to you guys. He looked so yummy that day! That's why I sat there and slowly looked at him from head to toe while he and I were sitting in his limo outside of the KDIA Radio Station that's located next to the Oakland/San Francisco Bay Bridge. I had to do him like that, ya'll. It's not very often that a girl gets to sit alone with him and I wanted to remember everything I saw!! LOL.

Please note, these photos are not high quality. They are from 1979 when MJ came to Oakland to promote "Off The Wall" and it looks like jaywonder took a picture of his or her television while the tape was playing in the VCR. Still, it is always nice to see photos of Michael Jackson. He was making his rounds in Oaktown that day!! LOL

Click on the below links for a trip down memory lane... :flowers:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s278/jay8wonder/082308220625-3.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s278/jay8wonder/082308220721-1.jpg

The Founder of "Soul Beat" is named "Chuck Johnson" He passed away in '04. If you'd like to read more about "Soul Beat Television Network," you can go here:

http://soulbeattv.com/about.htm

And here's my 1/22/08 post from the "Michael being a big ol flirt" thread where I'm describing what he was wearing that day '79 when I met him.


Michael Jackson loves women. Just because he didn't parade them around does not mean that they were never there.

His ex's that weren't celebs started popping up one-by-one during the trial. Once they realized he was going to be alright, they went away and got quiet again. When they were popping up, they were saying just enough to let people know he's straight. If there wasn't something wonderful about him, his ex's would not still be sprung on him.

Even Stephanie Mills, who is a celeb, said things during the trial to let people know how Michael is behind closed doors. Before the trial, she kept the intimate things to herself. She told people where he kissed her without saying to much.

He loves women. All different nationalities. How can he not. He has females all over the globe coming at him. Every once in a while, he starts chosen on 'em.

Also, the reason why I gave him my name and number is because he had met me a few times that day in different ways. The last time was at the radio station. When his body guards were escorting him inside, he had looked over at me. When they came out, he did it again, and then he had them step back so he could walk...pimp walk lol...to the limo by himself after what I had said to him. By going over there to him, sitting with him, and giving him my name and number, he was able to leave without ever having to wonder what my name is. He was not going to remember if I had told him verbally, so I gave him something tangible.

One last thing, remember I described to you guys what he was wearing that day? I told you he was wearing black pants, a black pull-over turtle neck shirt, black boots that came to his ankles that zipped up, and a brown vest that was satin in the back and tapestry in the front. He had just gotten his jeri curl that year. If you want to see the shirt I was talking about, he's wearing it on page 91 of the December 2007 issue of Ebony magazine. He's also wearing the shoe string around his neck that I told you guys about. He's wearing that exact same shoe string on the picture that was given to me. The way he looks on page 91 is exactly the way he looked when I was sitting in front of him slowly looking at him from head to toe, and from toe to head while he was acting all shy. If he didn't want me doing that, he could have told someone to come and get me. But he didn't.

Mike's got game. He knows how to lure chicks to him when he wants to. And the way he stares at you when he thinks you don't see him is something else. That stare is like whoa!
:yes:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1264707&postcount=548

[TialovesMJ]

cool. Thanks for sharing this with us, he looks good, even though it was blury :D... lucky you, getting to sit with him!!Go girl(gettin to meet MJ ) lol!!oww I believe he has game. :D He loves those women of all nationalities :yes:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

HAHA yes true queen g. We almost had her personality all figured out an everything...:lol: That's what happens when you leave us here to our imaginations. ;)

He does look (from what I can see) very attractive in those shots. I am sure you couldn't help yourself checking him out. lol. Thank you for sharing that with us.

Can I ask you how you were fortunate enough to get to be there with him just the two of you? Was it casual or for work? Did he eventually overcome his shyness with you?

[SoS]

SoS, would not that be wonderful for you, too, if you were loved by a man in such a true way, that if you are blowing it in some way, he does not reject you for it, but prays you through it, because he believes God can help others change for the better through his prayers? but of cuz :mellow:

ok well it strikes me as a rather random thought but yes, I get the idea :lol:



Hi guys,

I got a little something for you all to see!

While I was waiting for MJJC to come back online, I had visited the KOP Discussion board a few times

AllforMJ you mean to tell me/us you bumped up on that sweet lil bit of data on another site while this one was down!

:lol: Doncha love it when you fall in line with God's synchronicity?

Congrads on that, AllforMJ! :flowers: I luv it for ya!!

I'm with Ape, I'd love to hear more about the scenario ... you know like how'd it happen? .... you happen to be coming across the parking lot, (street, parking garage what was it?) when MJ happened to be sitting in the limo alone? Can you say why he was alone? Wasn't that unusual? Had he done the interview inside the radio station and maybe wasn't feeling great and went to the limo to rest? and since he was the reason OTHER people were there, who/what was he out there waiting for? and you - as a teenager how did you pull off being the only teenage girl who happened upon MJ at this time ? did you happen to know someone who worked there? was he sitting there with the door open? window down? window up he put it down? c'mon paint a picture! what happened!? :wild::lol: don't leave us hangin'

1979! it was a very good year! Off the Wall :D Wore it OUT

c'mon don't just drop little personal good news bombs and leave :lol: tell us more!!


Please?. :popcorn:

[yaazgurl]

What was MJ's message after the trial and how does it relate to her?

[AllForMJ]

cool. Thanks for sharing this with us, he looks good, even though it was blury :D... lucky you, getting to sit with him!!Go girl(gettin to meet MJ ) lol!!oww I believe he has game. :D He loves those women of all nationalities :yes:

Wow, AllForMJ...that is so exciting for you! Very special! I love it when things tie into our pasts like that, especially involving a tender, special memory.

Let us know when the video is up...and we will all try to live through you...because you were so fortunate to have had that treasure of an interaction with him there in his vehicle that day...one on one! :)

Nice to see you back and posting again with us. (you can see that your thread does strange things when you are gone missing) :lol:

HAHA yes true queen g. We almost had her personality all figured out an everything...:lol: That's what happens when you leave us here to our imaginations. ;)

He does look (from what I can see) very attractive in those shots. I am sure you couldn't help yourself checking him out. lol. Thank you for sharing that with us.

Can I ask you how you were fortunate enough to get to be there with him just the two of you? Was it casual or for work? Did he eventually overcome his shyness with you?

AllforMJ you mean to tell me/us you bumped up on that sweet lil bit of data on another site while this one was down!

:lol: Doncha love it when you fall in line with God's synchronicity?

Congrads on that, AllforMJ! :flowers: I luv it for ya!!

I'm with Ape, I'd love to hear more about the scenario ... you know like how'd it happen? .... you happen to be coming across the parking lot, (street, parking garage what was it?) when MJ happened to be sitting in the limo alone? Can you say why he was alone? Wasn't that unusual? Had he done the interview inside the radio station and maybe wasn't feeling great and went to the limo to rest? and since he was the reason OTHER people were there, who/what was he out there waiting for? and you - as a teenager how did you pull off being the only teenage girl who happened upon MJ at this time ? did you happen to know someone who worked there? was he sitting there with the door open? window down? window up he put it down? c'mon paint a picture! what happened!? :wild::lol: don't leave us hangin'

1979! it was a very good year! Off the Wall :D Wore it OUT

c'mon don't just drop little personal good news bombs and leave :lol: tell us more!!


Please?. :popcorn:
Hahahah :lol:

I won't leave y'all hangin'. It's just that I had my sons doing some chores around here and I didn't want to break the momentum! :lol:

It was a series of things that led up to that one on one moment with Michael. I'll tell you guys part of it now and the rest later. When you get your kids into a cleaning mode, you gotta keep going! LOL

My day of MJ started with an early morning phone call from a cousin of mine that knew his schedule for the day. She's a fan too. She called me really early that morning and said, "If you want to see Michael Jackson in person be up, dressed and ready to go by 9:00 a.m. or I'm leaving." She was just that blunt! LOL. My cousin is a trip! But, she means what she says. If I was not ready, she was going to leave me behind.

The first time I met MJ that day I had gotten in line just like everybody else that got in that long line that wrapped around a city block during the autograph signing at the record store. lol This is when I got a chance to see MJ's people use a decoy and how I also found out that MJ is a very fast moving person. Decoy came out and before you knew it, MJ was inside the building. Doors of the record store opens, autograph signing gets rollin', line slowly starts moving. Really organized and exciting from beginning to end.

The second time I got to meet him that day was during his next stop after leaving the autograph signing. This happened because my cousin was following his schedule and knew where he was going next. After we all got to meet him at the record store she waited until we were away from the crowd and said, "He's going to 'The New Age' next to perform a song from 'Off The Wall.' Let's leave now so we'll be there when he gets there."

"The New Age" was a teen club in downtown Oakland that we used to go to on the weekend. Well, not my cousin that knew MJ's schedule...she didn't used to go out and dance...the rest of us did.

We quickly went to "The New Age" so we could see MJ when he arrived. We were there when his limo pulled up in front. We did not go inside because we did not have tickets to get in. When it was over and people were coming out, we asked a few people what song he performed. They said "Rock With You." Shortly after that, MJ was out, back in the limo and the driver started driving off to go to the next scheduled location.

While the limo was slowly driving off and had gone around the corner, these two girls started fighting in front of the club. They were fighting each other about MJ. I'm talkin' about pullin' hair...the whole nine yards. Those two were throwin' some blows and I was looking at them from the car that I was in.

Then, something said, "Tell your cousin to blow the horn to get the limo to stop." So, I followed my mind and told my cousin to blow the car horn. She said, "For what?!!" And I told her "To get the limo to stop! These two girls are fighting back there about Michael! Blow the horn!" Then she said, "They're not going to stop the car just because I'm blowing the horn!!" Then I said, "Blow it anyway!! Blow the horn!!" So, she started blowing the car horn and the next thing we all knew, the limo had stopped! Then we all said, "Ooooooo, they stopped!" We said it like we were in trouble or something. lol We were shocked because it was so easy to get their attention.

Next, my cousin said, "Now what?! They stopped the limo! Now what are we supposed to do?!" So I said, "Get out and go tell Michael those girls are fighting over him!" She said, "I'm not going to go up there and tell him that!! You tell him!!" We spent the longest time trying to figure out who would get out the car and tell Michael. We were passing it to everybody in the car. While we were doing this, Michael's limo was sitting there waiting. LOL We were a mess! We were going back and forth trying to figure out who in the car would go and tell him and then finally I said, "Never mind! I'll be back. I'll go and tell him."

So, I got out of the car, walked up to the first window that was on the street side of the limo, the window went down and who was sitting there next to the door? Michael was. I was slightly startled for a second, because I wasn't expecting him to be the one sitting there. I was thinking maybe one of the people with him would be there, but it was him. So I looked at him and said, "Michael, these two girls are back there fighting over you." Then, I started noticing he was shy! He couldn't give me direct eye contact. He would look at me and look at the floor, look at me and then look at the floor...over and over. I was thinking, "I didn't know he was shy like this."

Then, the man riding in the limo with MJ said, "Here, would you like an autographed picture?" and started handing it to me. I looked over at the man to answer him and that's when MJ started staring at me. I saw him out of my peripheral vision while I was talking to the man. I had told the man, "That's not what I came over here for, but I'll take it. Thank you." When I looked back at MJ, he immediately looked at floor again so I wouldn't catch him staring, but he didn't know it was already too late. I had noticed as soon as he started doing it. I could see him and feel him staring while I was talking. It's an intent stare. It can't go unnoticed. I said, "Michael, they really are back there fighting over you." Then I left and got back in the car with my cousins.

As soon as I got in the car they started asking me what happened, asking me questions about Michael, asking me about the picture, telling me I was lucky and all this other stuff. lol Then, the limo started moving, so my cousin that was driving started following thinking it was headed to the radio station. The limo went around the corner and instead, pulled back up in front of the teen club and stopped. The window on the other side of the limo went down. Michael had the driver go back so he could check on the girls I had told him about. The club's security guards had just broken up the fight and were keeping the girls away from each other.

This is the moment that I realized that MJ is a caring person. He didn't drive off and leave after what I had told him, he went back and checked on them. Only after seeing that the girls were okay did the limo head to the radio station. Michael's driver drove to the freeway, got on, stepped on the gas and was moving down that freeway heck of fast! My cousin was barely able to keep up, but it didn't matter because she knew exactly where they were going next. LOL. They were going to "KDIA."

I think that stop at "Soul Beat" was done before going to the airport. "Soul Beat" was just minutes away from the airport, so it seems like that would have been the last stop. They would not have aired the interview live early in the morning because people would have missed it. They would most likely show the interview live sometime in the afternoon. I didn't even know he went to "Soul Beat." I don't remember my cousin mentioning it either. That's why I was so surprised to run across the photos at the KOP board.

I'll give you guys the details of how I got to sit with him at the radio station a little later. Being able to sit with him happened because he's a very responsive person even though he's very shy. It also had a lot to do with being at the right places at the right time throughout the day and talking to him the same way I would talk to anyone else. Being a girl greatly helped too. lol Mike was not going to allow some guy to check him out the way I was checking him out. He was sitting in the limo next to the door with the door wide open, and I was sitting in the doorway right in front of him next to his right leg. I started scanning my eyes over him from his hair on down to his feet. I was behaving myself, but I was also being a very bold teen. That's probably another reason why he was acting so shy. When those small windows of opportunity come along, you gotta do whatcha gotta do, but when it comes to Michael Jackson, if you don't behave yourself, he's out! Exercise some self control and he'll stay around for a moment. I wanted to remember seeing him in person and looking at him slowly from head to toe upclose is how I was able to do it.

Also, as I mentioned before, it was a series of things that led up to being able to sit alone with him. Interacting with him just before he got to the radio station played a big part in it. It was at the stop before the radio station that he found out I do not over react when I see him.

Got some more things I need to do around here before going into it again, but some of details about the radio station is in the above post.

Before I go though, just wanna say I'm glad you guys are having fun in the thread coming up with your interpretations. I don't think your discussions are doing strange things. lol I'm glad you're having fun thinking about MJ, love and romance. Enjoy the feeling that he is sending out here and the lyrics. It's him that's putting out songs about being in love. He's actually doing it. We're not imagining it. There was a time not too long ago that we all were feeling his sadness. What he is sending out here right now is the opposite of that and it's nice.

Oh, there's something else I wanted to mention. My cousin that was driving took several pictures of MJ at the radio station while he was walking to the limo alone, but she's the type that will not let go of the pictures for anything. Not even if I asked her to make copies for me. Like I said, she's a trip! LOL. My friend that had a chance to kiss MJ that day also have a picture. One of her sisters took it right when she and MJ were about to kiss each other. And of course, he is wearing what you all see in the above photo because all of it is from the same day. My friend that he kissed was there with her sisters and I was there with my cousins. We ran into each other in line just before MJ arrived. My cousin didn't want anyone following us to the next stop. That's why she didn't say anything about it until we were heading there. Because MJ's limo was around the corner at the second location when I was talking to him, the people that saw his performance didn't know he was still there until his limo pulled back up in front to check on those girls. And there were a few girls at the radio station. My cousins, me and these other girls that knew he was going to be there. Small gatherings give you a better chance of meeting him. As I said above, he looked over at me when his bodyguards were escorting him into the radio station. It was a quick glance. Then, he did it again when they were escorting him out. That's why I went over there to him and what I said is what caused him to go by himself. He was just as shy with me at the radio station as he was outside of the teen club. Actually, he was even more shy because this time that man was not with him. He was still inside of the radio station and the bodyguards were still standing by the doors of the radio station.

My one on one moment with MJ came about unexpectedly and was based on trust and a simple promise being kept. It kinda ran itself. I just went along with it, and surprisingly, he did too.

I'll come back later to finish...

[TialovesMJ]

WOW thats soooo neat AllForMJ!!!thanks for sharing this wonderful story..lucky you :D.. I cant wait to hear about you siiting with MJ :D.. Was this the same friend that got told by MJ that she was beautiful aww how sweet!and she got to kiss him :D

[SoS]

Ah THANKS! ! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: WHAT A STORY!!

Thanks for taking the time to share these details!

I especially love this part :) :


Next, my cousin said, "Now what?! They stopped the limo! Now what are we supposed to do?!" So I said, "Get out and go tell Michael those girls are fighting over him!" She said, "I'm not going to go up there and tell him that!! You tell him!!" We spent the longest time trying to figure out who would get out the car and tell Michael. We were passing it to everybody in the car. While we were doing this, Michael's limo was sitting there waiting. LOL We were a mess! We were going back and forth trying to figure out who in the car would go and tell him and then finally I said, "Never mind! I'll be back. I'll go and tell him." :lol:

:popcorn: .....so you sat on the floor of the car with the door open talking with him? I can't wait to find out where the limo was stopped..in front of the radio station I guess. Had you simply gotten out of your cousins car and mozied over to the sitting limo? Was the door already sitting open or did he (or you) open it for you to sit there on the floorboard? Is that where you were when you handed him the note? Most of all, HOW in the world did your cousin have his detailed itenerary? :lol:

:flowers: Thanks so much, again, for sharing.

I can hardly wait til you get back!! :D

:timer:


:D

[Ape]

That was very enjoyable to read. Thank you AllforMJ. I would bet even Michael would appreciate reading that. Who knows, maybe he would remember it too.

That's what I wondered too SOS. How did she know his itinerary?

[SoS]

That was very enjoyable to read. Thank you AllforMJ. I would bet even Michael would appreciate reading that. Who knows, maybe he would remember it too.
^ I would imagine so :yes:


That's what I wondered too SOS. How did she know his itinerary? she was pretty accurate about where he was gonna be and all too

(I wonder if its the same cousin he had sent people to her neighborhood to locate)

AllforMJ tell those boys to hurry up!! :lol:

:popcorn:

[TialovesMJ]

Omg...I can't wait either :D :timer: ....:)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[SoS]

^^ funny lol

or, maybe he said, "hay I've paid for these many hours, I'll be at the airport before you know it, the plane doesn't take off for another hour so stop and let's see what happens here.....could be interesting, okay?"

Interesting that security at that time was either not very tight or virtually non-existent? I guess the guy in the limo with MJ was security? AllforMJ was the guy who was with him still sitting in the limo whilst you sat on the floorboard talking? ok :lol: I'll wait til you get back:

this is another favorite part:



she said, "They're not going to stop the car just because I'm blowing the horn!!" Then I said, "Blow it anyway!! Blow the horn!!" So, she started blowing the car horn and the next thing we all knew, the limo had stopped! Then we all said, "Ooooooo, they stopped!" We said it like we were in trouble or something. lol
:lol: what a hoot!

[TialovesMJ]

Yes..we want to know hahaah :lol: :woohoo:

[mjroxworld]

AllForMJ come baaaaaack! and tell us the rest of the story! It's awesome!!! And it is these moments is what I call a real Michael encounter. :) Being real and treating him like any other person was definitely the best thing to do. I really think that is something he desires and looks for in people. It would drive me batty having people go crazy all over me, but the one or two people who would treat me real are the ones who would draw my attention and stand out in the crowd.

And I imagine Michael probably remembers this encounter, as well. :)

[LindaC781]

Hi guys,

I got a little something for you all to see!

While I was waiting for MJJC to come back online, I had visited the KOP Discussion board a few times to see if there was any news about MJ. Gotta try to stay abreast of the latest. Ya know how that goes! lol.

While I was there browsing, I ran across a very unexpected treat that brought back some great, great memories for me! OMG!

There's a member there by the name of jaywonder that's planning to put a video on YouTube of MJ being interviewed by an Oakland based television network called "Soul Beat." "Soul Beat" is the network we used to watch music videos on back in the day.

The reason why I'm so excited about jaywonder's plan to upload the video to YouTube, is because it is a video of an interview that MJ did on the very day that I met him!! It's such a small world!! Now, you can see him for yourselves!!

On Aug 24 2008, 01:05 AM, jaywonder posted a couple of photos of the interview. These are from jaywonder's personal collection, so these are never before seen photos of MJ and he is wearing the black pull-over, long sleeved, turtle neck shirt and vest that I described to you guys. He looked so yummy that day! That's why I sat there and slowly looked at him from head to toe while he and I were sitting in his limo outside of the KDIA Radio Station that's located next to the Oakland/San Francisco Bay Bridge. I had to do him like that, ya'll. It's not very often that a girl gets to sit alone with him and I wanted to remember everything I saw!! LOL.

Please note, these photos are not high quality. They are from 1979 when MJ came to Oakland to promote "Off The Wall" and it looks like jaywonder took a picture of his or her television while the tape was playing in the VCR. Still, it is always nice to see photos of Michael Jackson. He was making his rounds in Oaktown that day!! LOL

Click on the below links for a trip down memory lane... :flowers:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s278/jay8wonder/082308220625-3.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s278/jay8wonder/082308220721-1.jpg

The Founder of "Soul Beat" is named "Chuck Johnson" He passed away in '04. If you'd like to read more about "Soul Beat Television Network," you can go here:

http://soulbeattv.com/about.htm

And here's my 1/22/08 post from the "Michael being a big ol flirt" thread where I'm describing what he was wearing that day '79 when I met him.

Thanks for posting this!! This is great!!

[Moddie777]

[QUOTE=AllForMJ;1630466]:
Before I go though, just wanna say I'm glad you guys are having fun in the thread coming up with your interpretations. I don't think your discussions are doing strange things. lol I'm glad you're having fun thinking about MJ, love and romance. Enjoy the feeling that he is sending out here and the lyrics. It's him that's putting out songs about being in love. He's actually doing it. We're not imagining it. There was a time not too long ago that we all were feeling his sadness. What he is sending out here right now is the opposite of that and it's nice.

I agee completely. Michael has been making it very clear; consistantly for a while now. (hope the quote worked),lol.

[SoS]

just a tid-bit about a song I'd mentioned earlier, Fly Away

I've recently read in the book, Michael Jackson, The Solo Years by Craig Halstead and Chris Cadman (fan and forum member who's done extensive research about production history and such) that MJ had recorded the song, Fly Away first then later gave it to his sister Rebbie for her album. Just wanted to mention that because at first I'd said it was the other way around and so, I stand corrected.

Interesting that no one is noting that song as a topic as long as we're talking about interesting MJ love songs, because it was added in the Special Edition of Bad in 2001, same year Invincible was released, so it would seem it could be a "piece" in the "puzzle" and its a job in itself to make out what he's saying, almost like it could be a 'code' .... some words stand out clearly (or so it seems) and the rest of it makes you go ... :scratch:

Y'all should really listen to it though, its an amazing song :yes:

[Beautiful_Immunity]

I found out who the secret lover is..........






















The woman in the dark is Oprah Winfrey *shiftyeyed* J/P! :lol:!

Thank for posting all of this, I am sure Michael would love to read this :flowers:!
Haha btw Fly away is one of my favorites!

[mjroxworld]

I found out who the secret lover is..........






















The woman in the dark is Oprah Winfrey *shiftyeyed* J/P! :lol:!

Thank for posting all of this, I am sure Michael would love to read this :flowers:!
Haha btw Fly away is one of my favorites!

ha ha ha...

[TialovesMJ]

Bump.......................... :D


oh and LOL @ the Oprah part :lol:... loved it!!:P

[mjroxworld]

Can someone please tell me what "bump" means on these forums???

[LindaC781]

Can someone please tell me what "bump" means on these forums???
Usually, threads that are active stay on the first page of a forum....if for some reason this thread doesn't get much activity, usually a reply of any kind - like the "bump" replies - puts activity on the thread so that it will appear on the first page...hope that answers your question.

[8701girl]

OPRAH WINFREY!!!
Now that is scary.....i really donnt wanna know!

[TialovesMJ]

^^She was just joking about The Oprah thing lol

[AllForMJ]

Wow!!!! I've been tied up...tied down....tied back!!! :lol:

Buuuuut, I'm gonna finish that last little part because...since meeting him on that day in '79...I see so many things that MJ has said over the years in song and in his beautiful poems that just makes things from that day seem so much clearer.

He is really a deep and interesting person. GOSH, I love me some Michael Jackson!

I like to pull different lines from his songs and things to show you what I feel coming from him, so I've been doing juuuust that...on and off...while waiting for some spare time to come back on. Y'all know how I get sometimes. lol

I'm gonna add these things to the last of my post about my day of MJ and you all will see just how much he's remained the same in how he does some things, or how he looks at some things, when it comes to people. Some of it is...much of it...is based on just wanting people to be courteous, mindful. And I think some of it comes from that spiritual side of him...spiritual awareness...reading the unspoken words...his.

And, STATEofSHOCK, there's something that you've picked up on that he's been doing...it's something beautiful...it ties into the romantic side of him. I'm going to post that too. Two words that he's been putting together lately indeed. You mentioned it some pages back in the thread. He did it again. Recently.

:yes:

[8701girl]

what did he do...?

[TialovesMJ]

I cant wait for you to share this!!:D

[SoS]

And, STATEofSHOCK, there's something that you've picked up on that he's been doing...it's something beautiful...it ties into the romantic side of him. I'm going to post that too. Two words that he's been putting together lately indeed. You mentioned it some pages back in the thread. He did it again. Recently.

:yes: :unsure: doing?

:brow: and I noticed it...

:scratch: hmm

[Pua]

I must have missed something in the reading...2 words? :blink:

:popcorn::lol:

[SoS]

2 words .. :brow:

:scratch: "to me" ?? (as he says in both the original PYT (demo) and the Thrller version?)



He did it again. Recently
he did something recently ...hmm :brow:

AllforMJ could you not take forever to come back......the suspense is ahhhhhhhhhhhhh :wild:

you sure know how to stage those cliffhangers :lol:

[Pua]

^^Cliffhanger is right, I don't feel like working so I went back and read looking for the 2 words :lol:

I think I'll just wait for AllForMJ to tell us :cheeky:

:popcorn:

[Moddie777]

If i had to give a quick guess without review (which is what I am doing now, lol) I'd have to say: lately the two words that seem to stick out for me are "Inspire" and "You".
He is being more and more direct, as if he is pointing directly at her. His latest clues tells us many songs from the new cd will be about the two of them.

[mjroxworld]

If i had to give a quick guess without review (which is what I am doing now, lol) I'd have to say: lately the two words that seem to stick out for me are "Inspire" and "You".
He is being more and more direct, as if he is pointing directly at her. His latest clues tells us many songs from the new cd will be about the two of them.

I think I would have to agree on that one.

[TialovesMJ]

If i had to give a quick guess without review (which is what I am doing now, lol) I'd have to say: lately the two words that seem to stick out for me are "Inspire" and "You".
He is being more and more direct, as if he is pointing directly at her. His latest clues tells us many songs from the new cd will be about the two of them.



I have to agree!:)

[AllForMJ]

Moddie777, "you" IS one of the words. The way he was saying "you" in songs on the "Invincible" CD is totally different from the way he's been saying "you" lately. The way he's been saying "you" along with another word shows he's been feeling very affectionate these days.

The other word he's been using more lately is "your." And the way that STATEofSHOCK pointed it out when she noticed it, she typed "you/your."

So, yes, he is being more direct. He's been adding the word "love" to them to say she's making him feel loved. He's been saying, "you love me." He's also been saying "your love" more often. The way he's saying "your love" now is totally different from the way he said it in "Speechless." When he said "your love" in "Speechless" he did not have the sound of joy in his voice. Now, he does.

Love them cliffhangers! They're fun!! Just drop some lines and run!! :lol:

Okay, look at this...

3 minutes and 54 seconds (3:45) into the song "Beautiful Girl" he said, "Your love." (To hear him say it, turn up the volume as the song is fading out.)

In the second part of his message following the trial he said, "your ever present love."

In "You Are So Beautiful" he said, "your true love."

And most recently he said, "I feel your love."

Michael is SO romantic. :wub: Just wanted you all to have a little fun with that. Tee-hee-hee. lol

Okay, now instead of posting the last and final part of my day of MJ, I think I first want to post the following. I've pulled words from some of his poems in "Dancing The Dream" and some lines from various songs. After you've had a chance to read these and then have read the last part of my story about the day I met MJ, you will see that much of the things he says in song and poetry stems from how he actually is offstage.

When you read it in this order, you'll be able to see, and get a better feel of, why he did some of the cute things that he did.

We are going to explore the words "promise" and "silence."

Promise

"Someone In The Dark"

Promise me we'll always be
Walking the world together
Hand in hand where dreams never end
My star secret friend and me

"Who Is It"

* I gave her promises
* And she promised me forever and a day we'd live as one
* We made our vows we'd live a life anew
* And she promised me in secret that she'd love me for all time
* It's a promise so untrue, tell me what will I do

(And, of course, we know he's ticked off in this song because so many promises were broken)

"Will You Be There"

(Spoken Words)
* In the promise of another tomorrow

"Earth Song"

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain.. .
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...

(Throughout this song, he's saying about...what about is...what about that. In other words, he's saying there are many spoken promises that were never kept. Empty words. He gets ticked off in this song too. You can tell he's angry from the way that he said, "You didn't give a damn!!"

"The Way You Love Me"

It won't be long 'til we make vows, I betcha

Vows = Promises

"For All Time"

Say that you'll never go

(In other words, he's saying, "Promise me you'll never go. Say it so I can hear it.")

Words from "Dancing the Dream" where he mentions "promise:"

"Angel of Light"
That's what the angel-watcher promised, and now that I have caught sight of glory, I know enough to believe.

"Breaking Free"
Those broken promises, what they meant.

"Courage"
It offers what we all want, the promise of love.

"Quantum Leap"
If you still have promises to keep, just take that plunge, take that leap.

Silent / Silently / Silence

"Angel of Light"
So now I am looking for my angel all the time. I sit silently, turning my gaze inward.

"Berlin 1989"
Silently, from one person to another, love kept up its invisible work.

"I You We"
It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding.

"Magical Child, Part 2"
* In that silence beyond all seeing
* With silent perfection

"Quantum Leap"
I could hear your silent tale

"So The Elephants March"
And from that day on, elephants have been silent, patient, peaceful creatures.

"Two Birds"
One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent.

"Dance of Life"
* My dance is all motion without, all silence within.
* And silence is my real dance, though it never moves.
* It quivers and thrills me, and I know my fate is to show others that this silence, this light, this blessing is my dance.

"God"
I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence.

"Mark of the Ancients"
My teacher gave me a glance to ask if I understood this lesson. I sat very still, and my silence told him I did.

"Once We Were There"
Before the anguish of the broken silence.

After reading these you can tell that he often waits to see if someone can or will keep their promise. You can tell that he's also saying that silence has various meanings. You can communicate in silence. Silence can be heard and felt. Silence can be understood. Silence has a purpose.

Don't you just love his ways?

On that day in '79 when I met him and spent a moment with him, I noticed that he gave me a chance to show him I would keep my promise, and that he interacted with me in silence. Much of what he's been saying in song and in poetry reveals how he is.

:yes:

[SoS]

^ oh there you are!! :lol: I was just looking for you!

NVM

*catches up reading above post*

*finished reading*

hm interesting as always

[AllForMJ]

^ oh there you are!! :lol: I was just looking for you!

NVM

*catches up reading above post*

*finished reading*

hm interesting as always

I was juuuust about to say...I am back! :lol: :lol:

We had clicked "Submit Reply" at the same time! :lol:

[SoS]

^ yes and I was just about to try and 'guess' what you were gonna come back with ...but my guesses are moot so I deleted it all when I saw you were back lol

just so you know......I'd also accused you of "pulling a Michael Jackson" by leaving us waiting and guessing :lol:

but glad you came back :flowers:

those observations are an eyefull that's for sure....may take some time to 'digest'

I can't wait til you post part 2 of your story :popcorn:

oh okay ... reading back over your post, it seems you've posted it in the final paragraph, what you were getting at about piecing it together

ok ok I'm getting this...

interesting :popcorn:

[SoS]

Ok I'm confuzzled here

I feel MJ has to communicate with his fans sometimes.....are you saying when he does, its a "double" message (to an individual AND his fans) or a "hidden" message to an individual "through" his fans?

as for Earth Song, are you saying there are parts where he's referring to a female? That's a unique concept of that song....

*goes to read thread some more*

[TialovesMJ]

So you kept his promises when you met him???

[Ape]

I thought Earth Song was more a cry out to God. I guess I could listen to it again to see what else I could get from it. (as always, I enjoy when someone adds more to this thread and breathes more life into it.) I don't have much time these days to put my own thoughts about it all together. I just leave that up to everyone else these days. If we are on the right track in here with the basics at least (that there is a special someone out there that Michael has finally found in one way or another) then I cannot wait to see him walking hand in hand (in hand in hand in hand etc depending on how many kids are with them and feel like holding hands...lol) with someone, taking the kids out somewhere fun, all enjoying each other, with smiles on all their faces. Sounds like a fairy tale? Or just a very real possibility. No reason it couldn't become or be a reality for him.

[AllForMJ]

Oops!! I guess I did "pull a Michael Jackson" on you guys! He pops up and then he disappears, doesn't he? :lol: He has a way of rubbing off on people. lol

Before I post part 2, I'm gonna let you hear what he said in silence in part 1.

Notice that his limo stopped in part 1and waited, that he rolled down his window when I walked up to it, and that he didn't say a single word the whole time that I was there, but that he didn't roll his window back up until after I left. That's him saying he was waiting to see what I wanted.

Notice that after I left and got back in the car with my cousins, his limo went back around the corner and stopped briefly in front of the teen club again. That's him saying, "I'm going to go and check on those girls you just told me about."

Then, of course at the radio station, there was more of the same, silence and shyness. Except this time I did get a whispered "hello," a whispered "thank you" and a whispered "good-bye." He is SO cute. He gets on stage, dances his butt off, singles like a bird and roars like a lion, and then when he's off stage he's soft spoken, speaks in a whisper, or is totally silent. And I forgot this part. When he gives you that puppy-dog look with those beautiful brown eyes it makes your heart melt! And then, mixed in with all of this, is his fear, but he will still interact with you with all of this going at the same time. That is, if you do not over react because it's him, and you do give him a chance to not be afraid.

I'm going to type up and post the final part of my day of MJ, and then this time, you will be able to tell for yourselves that he was waiting to see if a promise was going to be kept after what I said to him at the radio station. From reading the lines from the various songs posted on the other page, and the words from his poems where he mentions the word "promise" or "promises," you can tell that he feels very strongly about this type of thing. He wants to see if someone will let him believe them. In the post, you will also be able to feel him interacting in silence a little more than he did in the first part. Even when he's saying a little, he's saying more than that. When he's saying nothing at all verbally, he's still speaking. You will also notice this about him too.

Remember what he said in the December '07 issue of Ebony about how he and Quincy ended up working together on "Off The Wall?" He said, "So after we had made this movie--we had gotten pretty close on the film, too: he helped me understand certain words, he was really father-like--I called him after the movie, out of complete sincerity--'cause I'm a shy person, ESPECIALLY then, I used to not even look at people when they were talking to me, I'm not joking--and I said, 'I'm ready to do an album. Do you think... could you recommend anybody who would be interested in producing it with me or working with me?'..." See, he's even telling people during an interview that he was like this. lol Too cute!


Ok I'm confuzzled here

I feel MJ has to communicate with his fans sometimes.....are you saying when he does, its a "double" message (to an individual AND his fans) or a "hidden" message to an individual "through" his fans?

as for Earth Song, are you saying there are parts where he's referring to a female? That's a unique concept of that song....

*goes to read thread some more*
Nope, "Earth Song" is about something much bigger. I just grouped it with the other songs and poems where he mentions "promise" because it's a song where he's asking for answers. He's asking why all the things that were said were not done. He's also asking why there was so much carelessness going on.

As for his messages during and after the trial and the way they are sometimes worded, sometimes they are to his fans and his friend. The lovey-dovey stuff while he's singing is self-explanatory. Still, it's nice for everyone to listen to, because it's nice hearing him sound that way.


I thought Earth Song was more a cry out to God. I guess I could listen to it again to see what else I could get from it.
There is one specific line that helps us to see that it's not a cry out to God, but a song directed at man. It is the line where he yells, "You didn't give a damn."

He would never say that to God and he would never speak to Him in that tone. Even when he was going to the courthouse on verdict day, and he was totally exhausted, and being faced with the unknown, he held his Bible and repeatedly asked God "why?" But from listening to the way that Jermaine said Rebbie described it to him, MJ wasn't acting like he was angry with God. He just wanted to know why he had to go through that. Once it was all over, he found out it was because God was restoring him.

In "Earth Song," MJ is pointing out, and asking about, many things that have gone wrong and are in disarray. He's pointing out man's errors in preserving life and the planet. He was pointing it out before people started talking about going "green." In "Earth Song," he's asking why people didn't stop to notice what was going wrong. He was pointing it out and those that are paying attention now were not paying attention then. Now, everyone is scrambling to try and fix what he had noticed a long time ago.

[TialovesMJ]

Awww omg .yes MJ is soooo cute :D .. *sits back and continues to read...* :eat:

[Ape]

There is one specific line that helps us to see that it's not a cry out to God, but a song directed at man. It is the lines where he yells, "You didn't give a damn."
...
In "Earth Song," MJ is pointing out, and asking about, many things that have gone wrong and are in disarray. He's pointing out man's errors in preserving life and the planet. He was pointing it out before people started talking about going "green." In "Earth Song," he's asking why people didn't stop to notice what was going wrong. He was pointing it out and those that are paying attention now were not paying attention then. Now, everyone is scrambling to try and fix what he had noticed a long time ago.

I thought that line was "Do we give a damn." There is also "What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son... " Sounds like it is referring to God and His only son. That is what I thought. Perhaps it is a cry out to whomever could listen. God/man/anyone.

[AllForMJ]

I thought that line was "Do we give a damn." There is also "What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son... " Sounds like it is referring to God and His only son. That is what I thought. Perhaps it is a cry out to whomever could listen. God/man/anyone.
This sounds more like an only son going off to war. It happens over and over. It's happening this very day.

[Ape]

hmm..yeah that could be.

(Sorry I'll let you get back to your part two now ;) )

[AllForMJ]

It's a very deep song. It touches on many things that have gone wrong. I guess with him being a person that so many people around the world greet with open arms, he just finds it very hard to understand why some things are done the way they are done. He's been able to go into many parts of the world and be embraced simply because he is meek.

:yes:

[Moddie777]

About the song, "Earth Song" did you guys knows the original title was, "What about us"?! A fan shared that with me a few years back, he got it off some site online where there was a quote or something with a confirmation from either MJ or someone close to the project.
If you think about the words "What about us", kinda put a different spin on the song all together, wouldn't you say?

[mjroxworld]

I think AllForMJ pulled another Michael on us...where'd she go???? I wanna hear the rest of the story. :)

[AllForMJ]

:lol: @ mjroxworld. I'm pulling some other things together that came to mind. Late last night, it dawned on me that I can show you guys the general area that MJ was in that day by finding pictures of landmarks and things. I feel like such a dunce! LOL I don't know why I didn't think about that before! Isn't it funny how things just pop into your mind sometimes? I like it when that happens. I'll post it soon. It's almost done. It's like retracing MJ's steps, but guess what? After I post it, I still have to type up the very last part of the story, because I haven't quite started on it yet!! Actually, I've told it many times, but not this way! LOL My mind has been wandering, y'all and now I went off and did all this other stuff instead but, it all ties together. You'll see.
:yes:

And Moddie777, I didn't know "Earth Song" was almost given the title "What About Us." Makes sense though because he's saying "What about..." throughout much of the song. Thanks for posting that. Nice find! Also, when he says "What about all the things that you said..." in different parts of the song, it shows he's not very happy about things being said but not being done when it comes to improving life. Especially when the things being said are supposed to be for the good of mankind, but never materializes. It really seems to tick him off. I guess he gets really irritated by it because it makes no sense to him that some would fake about making the world a better place. It's pointless to fake about something like that.

Well, be back in a bit to continue going down memory lane...

[TialovesMJ]

Yay.....I can't wait to hear the rest of your story !!!:)

[mjroxworld]

lol Mike must be pretty DARN ticked at the way America is going right now, then, but I'll stop right there. Can't wait to hear the rest of your story...ummm, how many times have I said that? hahaha I'm sure it'll be good. :)

[Ape]

I was wondering if you were going to tie it in to the rest of what's been said in this thread or if it was just a fun and very cool story to share.

I want to ask you questions but don't want to pry into things because I am sure you want to keep some things private for yourself. But how about I ask, and you can feel free to not answer :D ..lol. How well did you get to know Michael? Or was it just a few scattered chance meetings? Or something else?

[SoS]

sure you want to keep some things private for yourself. But how about I ask, and you can feel free to not answer :D ..lol. How well did you get to know Michael? Or was it just a few scattered chance meetings? Or something else? :giggle:


:cheeky: that's right, Apee, .


don't pry :lol: :lol: :lol:

okay I guess at this point it can't hurt to say...

LET'S PRY ALREADY!!!!! :wild:

yeh AllforMJ what about that um I mean those things ... :popcorn: huh?




:lmao: :toofunny:







sorry Apee.....:angel:please don't feel embarrassed by your cute questions (so boldly to ask all those in one shot lol i love it!! .....surely we're all curious about these things or some other things according to our own curiosities ....i just love how you worded your questions and like me, you surely missed your calling...u shoulda been (or should be) a talk show host lol in all seriousness...it was so brilliant and noone woulda thought anything if it hadn't crakkked me up so badly :toofunny:

u and i could have a dynamite talk show ... Podcasts with APE and STATEOFSHOCK ... :D :D .

all over the world ...we'd never run out of topics....oh sorry O/T lol

yeh AllforMJ come satisfy the curiousites here .... we know you'll be careful to keep the REAL Limo story to yourself :cheeky:














J/K!! J/K!!! J/K!!!!!! :wild::cheeky::)




but do hurry back :giggle:


....its Saturday night and its getting to be Sunday! :lol:





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:lol:

[Ape]

:lol: That sounds like it could be fun. I can't help my curious nature. Why beat around the bush when we can just ask outright.:P

[AllForMJ]

Ooooooo!! You two are too MUCH!! Fo real tho!! :lol: :lol:

I don't know MJ all like THAT!! Wouldn't mind knowing. lol But I don't know him like that. I think my friend could have had a chance to find out more about him, but she got cold feet when he asked her if she would come to his hotel to visit him once his day was over. Now that I'm thinking about it, he probably didn't go directly to the airport and leave after completing his schedule. If he was scheduled to leave that day, he would not have told her to come to his hotel and see him that night. My friend was 18 when he was in town and she's the one that started the whole thing when she asked him if she could have a kiss and he told her yes. He would not have said to me what he had said to her about coming to see him. He could tell that I was several years younger than him. Don't forget, he was around 21 years old when he released "Off The Wall." Also, I got a chance to spend time with him one on one. He's super shy one on one

I've learned different things about him from being a long-time fan, seeing him go from being a kid to being a man, listening to the deep things he's been saying from then to now, and from those scattered chance meetings. Even though he's become a much bigger star, he really hasn't changed that much over the years. In some ways he has changed, but in many ways he hasn't. For example, look at what he's saying in the poem "Mark of the Ancients" from "Dancing the Dream" that came out many years after "Off The Wall." "My teacher gave me a glance to ask if I understood this lesson. I sat very still, and my silence told him I did." When I was sitting with him in the limo, he was sitting very still and he was sitting there in silence. He only said a few words. This shows he's very much like what he's saying in that poem. He was acting totally different from the way he was an hour or so before. He was very much like what he said in the poem, "Courage." "When I step out on stage in front of thousands of people, I don't feel that I'm being brave. It can take much more courage to express true feelings to one person." Overall, I was saying that what I experienced with him that day I can see in things he's saying in writing. His poetry is a reflection of how he views things and how he is in many ways.

Also, MJ isn't reclusive like the media has been saying he is. He gets around and he's been very open over the years too, as well as very approachable. We are those regular people he wants to get to know better. Sometimes, just by luck, some people may get a chance to see different sides of him. I guess I caught him on a good day. He was moving around from place to place, but he really wasn't acting like he was in a major rush. If he were in a major rush that day, he would have left immediately after coming out of the radio station, but instead, he hung around for a little while.

Description of the Places MJ Visited in 1979 While Promoting "Off The Wall" on the East Bay side of the San Francisco Bay Area

Location of the Autograph Signing

MJ's autograph signing took place at "Leopold Records" in Berkeley near the UC Berkeley Campus in an area that is fun to walk around in. In this area of Berkeley, many would hang out on the campus, listen to music outdoors, visit the rose garden that's not far from there, museums, play video games at the arcade that was next door to the record store and other things. There were lot's of fun things to do in the area. Just checking out the people is fun. We used to call this area of Berkeley "Hippie Town."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Telegraph-Ave-Berkeley.jpg

"Hippie Town" is located on the side of the UC Berkeley Campus where the entrance called "Sather Gate" is located. Some of you have probably seen this entrance in person and some of you may have seen it many times on television or in other ways. Here are some pictures of "Sather Gate" so you can see what side of the campus MJ's autograph signing took place on when he was at the record store. Please note, he wasn't on the campus, he was at the record store across from the campus.

http://spectacle.berkeley.edu/pics/campuspics/sathergate_280.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sather_Gate,_UC_Berkeley.jpg

Here's a very creative aerial shot of the UC Berkeley Campus so you can see the whole place at a glance..sorta. You'll soon see why I said sorta. Warning, it may make some of you feel dizzy. lol Someone was really trippin' when they created this, but anyway... lol You'll have to turn your head to the extreme right and upside down to see where "Hippie Town" is, but I would not advise you to do it because you will probably fall out of your chair! LOL

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/107670106_0af4c1cc1e.jpg

See what I mean? Now, enough of that crazy stuff! LOL

Location Where MJ Performed "Rock With You"

I posted the pictures of the UC Berkley Campus so you'll have a general idea of where MJ started his day of meeting his fans in the San Francisco Bay Area while promoting "Off The Wall." After he finished his autograph signing in Berkeley, he went to the teen club called "The New Age" which was located in downtown Oakland on Broadway. Here's a picture of downtown Oakland. It's not a current picture, but it still allows you to see his next scheduled stop.

http://www.business2oakland.com/main/images/AerialfromEstuary.jpg

"The New Age" was located near two theaters. One is called the "Fox Theater" and the other is called the "Paramount Theater." The "Paramount Theater" is where "The Wiz" was performed live on stage once it became a Broadway play and was touring the country. The "Paramount Theater" is still open for concerts and plays. The "Fox Theather" is being turned into an art school. The place where the teen club called "The New Age" used to be has been turned into a large condominum. When "The New Age" was there, it was the hottest spot in town for teens to go out and dance on Saturday nights. It was a bowling alley that was turned into a teen club. It had a huge dance floor and the floor was filled with rows of different colored lights from one end of the club to the other. The rows of lights were placed down into the floor in the same direction that the lanes were when the place was a bowling alley. It was a very fun spot!

Since "The New Age" is no longer there, here are some pictures of the "Paramount Theater" and the "Fox Theater" so you can get a feel of the area of downtown Oakland that MJ went to after leaving Berkeley.

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/5ef81c04-c8d8-40ce-9d5f-7eff404cf688.jpg

http://www.rockandrollroadmap.com/gfx/paramount_oakland.jpg

Did you guys notices that light green building in the picture? The one to the right of the "Paramount?" "The New Age" used to be on the other side of it on the next street over.

This link shows the "Fox Theater."

http://www.foxoakland.org/uploads/images/home_photo.gif

This is a picture of the inside of the "Paramount Theater" so you can see where "The Wiz" was performed live on stage when it came to Oakland years later.

http://www.meyersound.com/news/2007/paramount_theatre/web/paramount_theatre_009.jpg

The theaters are located just a couple of blocks from a placed called "Lake Merritt." I'm posting a link to show you a picture of the lake as well to give you a better feel of the area where "The New Age" used to be.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/69699793_e96ccf7e64.jpg

The next link shows an aerial view of downtown Oakland and "Lake Merritt." In this picture, you can really get a feel of where MJ was when he visited Oakland while promoting "Off The Wall." "The New Age" was located on the other side of the tall office buildings to the upper far right side of the picture. The theaters are over there too. At the top of the picture you will see the "Oakland/San Francisco Bay Bridge" in the distance. After leaving downtown Oakland, MJ went in that direction. That's where "KDIA Radio Station" is located. He had a pretty nice day, didn't he? He was all over the place! lol Do you see that island in the middle of the water? The bridge goes right through it. That's San Francisco on the other side of the bridge.

http://www.lcbassociates.com/images/aerial.jpg

Location of MJ's Live Radio Interview

When you're looking at the Oakland/San Francisco Bay Bridge from the north side of it, Oakland is on the left side, San Francisco is on the right side. The Bay Bridge is a huge structure and it's also very long. The island that it goes through is called "Yerba Buena Island." When you click on the first link below and look at the top of the page, you will see "Yerba Buena Island," the Bay Bridge, the bay and "San Fransico." Oakland is to the left of "Yerba Buena Island" but you won't see it in this picture. I'm posting the below link so you can get a feel of the location MJ was in once he got to the radio station. It was a very beautiful sunny day and the temperature outside was nice. It wasn't hot, it wasn't cold and it wasn't windy. It was just right. God is the bomb!! lol

http://www.sfbayimages.com/bay_bridge.html

Here's a closer view of the Bay Bridge from the Oakland side of it.

http://www.interforti.com/STOCKPHOTOGRAPHY/scripts/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=bay_bridge&image=400_IMG_3169alt.jpg&img=&tt=&tfile=tn_400_IMG_3169alt.jpg

KDIA Radio Station, located in Oakland, sits to the right side of the freeway lanes that lead to the "Oakland/San Francisco Bay Bridge" toll booths. There's a road that runs parallel to the free lanes leading to the radio station. In this photo, which seems to have been taken during the morning commute time, you will be able to see the station's radio towers.

http://www.tfhrc.gov/its/pubs/06108/images/fig3_12.jpg

That's exactly where MJ was when I sat with him in his limo. I even remember how the limo driver parked the car when they got there. When the limo driver drove into the parking lot, he turned the limo around and backed it in so it would be easier to drive out when they were ready to leave. Because of the direction that the limo was parked, the toll booths were behind the car and the radio station was to the left of it. I'm describing all of this so you can get a better idea of the direction MJ was walking when he went inside the radio station with his bodyguards and when he came out after completing his live interview.

Here's a picture of the toll boths that are by the radio station.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1082/766710119_39248ffd2f.jpg?v=0

I'm also posting the next link so you can see the Bay Bridge from the San Francisco side leading to Oakland. Although you can't see Oakland in this particular picture, you can still see that MJ's interview at the radio station took place near a large body of water. If you look straight ahead you can get an idea of where Berkeley is too. It's over in that direction. Oakland is in the direction that you see the bridge turning at the top of the picture. To cross the Bay Bridge on your way to San Francisco, you have to pay at the toll booth. So, now you have a feel of where MJ went after he left downtown Oakland.

http://www.boatingsf.com/photos/aerial1/yerbabuena_edited-2.jpg

I'm gonna stop here for now. I'm sure this is a lot for you guys to absorb. LOL. I'm a trip, huh? LOL

Next time, I will post the part about him getting out of the limo to go inside of the radio station, what took place while he was in there being interviewed and what took place after he came out. Keep the visual of him in your minds of the way he was dressed that day and how cute he looks so when I'm telling you the parts about him getting out the limo you'll be able to visualize it. I'll try to be as descriptive as I can so you guys will be there with me. I've reposted jaywonder's picture of MJ to help you out because this is a picture of MJ from that very day.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s278/jay8wonder/082308220625-3.jpg

You know I was feeling like this :wub: lol Just imagine, in one day, while visiting the San Francisco Bay Area, MJ did two interviews, an autograph signing and a performance. Amazing, huh?

Time Frame

I think I may have finally figured out a time frame for when MJ was in Oakland and Berkeley promoting "Off The Wall." I was looking at his "Ultimate Collection" booklet yesterday to see what month he released it. On page 37 it says it was in August of '79. Therefore, MJ released the album somewhere around his 21st birthday. The booklet also said he released "Rock With You" in October of that year. When I had asked some people at "The New Age" what song MJ performed, they said "Rock With You." So, I'm thinking he was in Oakland and Berkeley promoting his album somewhere around October. I know it wasn't in December or anything like that because it wasn't cold outside. None of us had to wear coats that day, not even MJ. As you can see in jaywonder's photo, MJ is wearing a vest.

Well, that's it for now. I'll post the last part later so you can see the cute things he was doing at the radio station. He is such a sweetie.

:flowers:

[Moddie777]

Guys, I wanna quickly revisit something Allformj just pointed out recently: The way Michael has been using the words "you" and "your".
Does anyone remember the Christmas video of MJ made at Neverland in 2005 (i think)? I was thinking about those two words and then it hit me just this morning, in that video, Michael overly emphasis the word "You". I haven't seen the video in a couple of years, I think its up on youtube. You have to listen to his tone and pay attention to which words he uses when his tone completely changes. The word that will stick out, will be "You".
I remember he says: 'I'll always love you", he repeats "Your endurance". He is standing by the staircase and it is beautifully decorated with Christmas stuff. He is wearing shades and a nice blue or green suit jacket. At the end of video MJ blows a kiss and gives the piece sign.
With those 2 words, it puts a different spin on that video message. The trial was just months over, The turbelence surrounding Michael was not. He sounds as if he "had" to reassure her of her place within his heart. With conviction he wanted to make it very clear (again) that she is The One who holds his heart. When he repeats the words, "Your Endurance", that tells me now of his acknowledgement of her strong character and strength. Michael knows of her burdens and all of what she had to endure in order to break through the barriers that obviously stood between them creating the distance and time that we have heard him sing about through the years. The cleasing period was just about to take its form during xmas 2005. Many bad people were still very close at hand in MJ's world and he knew it. She had to be strong and he had to see it in order for him to feel safe.
You guys have got to see that video if you hadn't yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TialovesMJ]

Guys, I wanna quickly revisit something Allformj just pointed out recently: The way Michael has been using the words "you" and "your".
Does anyone remember the Christmas video of MJ made at Neverland in 2005 (i think)? I was thinking about those two words and then it hit me just this morning, in that video, Michael overly emphasis the word "You". I haven't seen the video in a couple of years, I think its up on youtube. You have to listen to his tone and pay attention to which words he uses when his tone completely changes. The word that will stick out, will be "You".
I remember he says: 'I'll always love you", he repeats "Your endurance". He is standing by the staircase and it is beautifully decorated with Christmas stuff. He is wearing shades and a nice blue or green suit jacket. At the end of video MJ blows a kiss and gives the piece sign.
With those 2 words, it puts a different spin on that video message. The trial was just months over, The turbelence surrounding Michael was not. He sounds as if he "had" to reassure her of her place within his heart. With conviction he wanted to make it very clear (again) that she is The One who holds his heart. When he repeats the words, "Your Endurance", that tells me now of his acknowledgement of her strong character and strength. Michael knows of her burdens and all of what she had to endure in order to break through the barriers that obviously stood between them creating the distance and time that we have heard him sing about through the years. The cleasing period was just about to take its form during xmas 2005. Many bad people were still very close at hand in MJ's world and he knew it. She had to be strong and he had to see it in order for him to feel safe.
You guys have got to see that video if you hadn't yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Do you have a link to this video??:)

[Moddie777]

MJbabe21, I don't have the link. Sorry. But I've been searching on youtube. I can see it! I put in the key words: Michael Jackson video message and fount it on page 3 but i need the update my adobe in order to pull it up and provide a link. When I update, my comp crashes, can someone help us out?

[TialovesMJ]

thats ok..thanks anyways Moddie :)... yeah can someone pull the link if they have seen it?please

[Ape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWLgBTbfOI It is hard for me to see that as anything other than a nice message to the fans. Who knows though really. I guess if he were saying "this is a message to the woman I love" then it would be different, but it really just seems to be a message to fans, thanking them for their support and endurance through the trial. They stuck with him to the end and were unwavering. So...have we uncovered his secret form of communication and sending messages to someone, or is it simply him sending a message to his fans who stayed loyal throughout all the hardships and difficulty?

[AllForMJ]

MJbabe21, I don't have the link. Sorry. But I've been searching on youtube. I can see it! I put in the key words: Michael Jackson video message and fount it on page 3 but i need the update my adobe in order to pull it up and provide a link. When I update, my comp crashes, can someone help us out?
Here's a way to show us the video, Moddie777. Go back to the page that you found it own. Highlight the web address that's in your Internet browser. After highlighting it, click copy. Then, come back to the thread and paste the web address into a reply. Also tell us the title of the video. This way, we'll be able to go over to YouTube to watch it. :D

Oh! It looks like Ape has already found it!

[SoS]

AllforMJ you're quite the tourguide :lol: I can see you standing at the front of the shuttle bus just smiling and pointing

I have a question ..



I don't know MJ all like THAT!! Wouldn't mind knowing. lol But I don't know him like that. I think my friend could have had a chance to find out more about him, but she got cold feet when he asked her if she would come to his hotel to visit him once his day was over. Now that I'm thinking about it, he probably didn't go directly to the airport and leave after completing his schedule. If he was scheduled to leave that day, he would not have told her to come to his hotel and see him that night. My friend was 18 when he was in town and she's the one that started the whole thing when she asked him if she could have a kiss and he told her yes.
I was under the impression this was the friend he'd sent someone to her neighborhood to suss her out which you'd mentioned in a previous thread some time back ...

:scratch: or was that a cousin that had been in the car

Girl you gotz so many peeps! :lol:

As for the message, it seems to me he's speaking to his fans and once again he mentions "on an international level" (in this recent fan message he'd said "from all across the world" I think... )

I can't say I've ever picked this up ... :scratch: I guess when I used you/yours I must have been making a different point ...

Thanks a billion Ape for posting that link :flowers: nice to see


*goes to search own posts more thoroughly while AllforMJ prepares to bring us part II*

[TialovesMJ]

Was this your same friend you mentioned from "MJ being a big ol' flirt" thread right? awesome :)..Can't wait to hear the rest of your wonderful experience about your encounter with Michael.

[Moddie777]

MJbabe21 have you seen the video yet? Thanks for the link ape! I was surprised at how much I remembered but I must point out my error. He didn't repeat the word "Endurance" as I had thought and mentioned in the earlier post. He repeats the word, 'love" instead.
That video is so sweet and Ape your posted response of my theory on this is the exact way any fan would immediately conclude from such a loving message from Michael.

[TialovesMJ]

Yeah I did see it...but i could barely hear what he was saying . :)

Nice video though..

[AllForMJ]

:lol: Hi you guys! Look over here! *smiling and waving* I'm the tourguide! :lol:

Yep! She's the one! When we ran into each other in line at the autograph signing, she was with her sisters and I was with my cousins. She's the one that has the picture of her and MJ leaning towards each other for the kiss. My cousin that was driving the car that I was in is the person that has pictures of MJ at the radio station when he's walking without his bodyguards.

You know what I love about the way MJ sounds in the video that was just posted? The tone of his voice shows he's become more focused on love and less focused on hate.

The lines in the song "You Are My Life" that predicted this would happen are the lines, "You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am," and the line "You opened my eyes when I couldn't see, love was always here waiting for me." Once his eyes were opened so he could see he was loved, as predicted in the song, he would naturally start sounding this way. A couple of years before the time this video was taped, he was sounding and looking like he felt down. He had a case of the blues in '01. Thank God he was feeling uplifted before the time this video was taped. He really needed that boost.

[Moddie777]

Yes, AllforMJ he did need that boost. The promise of a love requitted through his own prayers provided to him exactly what he yearned for the most.

[SoS]

:lol: Hi you guys! Look over here! *smiling and waving* I'm the tourguide! :lol:

Yep! She's the one! When we ran into each other in line at the autograph signing, she was with her sisters and I was with my cousins. She's the one that has the picture of her and MJ leaning towards each other for the kiss. My cousin that was driving the car that I was in is the person that has pictures of MJ at the radio station when he's walking without his bodyguards.

You know what I love about the way MJ sounds in the video that was just posted? The tone of his voice shows he's become more focused on love and less focused on hate.

The lines in the song "You Are My Life" that predicted this would happen are the lines, "You help me understand that love is the answer to all that I am," and the line "You opened my eyes when I couldn't see, love was always here waiting for me." Once his eyes were opened so he could see he was loved, as predicted in the song, he would naturally start sounding this way. A couple of years before the time this video was taped, he was sounding and looking like he felt down. He had a case of the blues in '01. Thank God he was feeling uplifted before the time this video was taped. He really needed that boost.

oh okay, so hmm I'm still a bit confuzzled by this ...



I think my friend could have had a chance to find out more about him, but she got cold feet when he asked her if she would come to his hotel to visit him once his day was over.
because when they found her in her neighborhood (at a store?) didn't she end up getting to know MJ? :popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

I imagine she did get to know him better, but to what degree, I don't know. She spent time around him and his family.

[SoS]

well tell us that story again Mommy? I mean AllforMJ? :) :popcorn: she overheard them looking for her and was like ... um that's me....then they took her to his house? ( :unsure: or am I pulling an "Ape" here :lol: )

well, you'd told it before, just trying to refresh my memory really :popcorn:

[TialovesMJ]

I imagine she did get to know him better, but to what degree, I don't know. She spent time around him and his family.



Oww yes what SOS said...., please tell us again!!:D. Thats if you would like to ;)

[Moddie777]

Something was drawing me to take another look at ,"Dancing the dream". I really didn't feel like it but the urge was strong so I knew I should.
I came across something, I really had overlooked. Another sweet little clue Michel wanted to put out.
I must be blind as a bat! On page 84 of DANCING THE DREAM is the beautiful picture of Michael live on stage, with head bowed and heart open; recieving the answered prayer of his brown Angel saving him from the despair, anguish, sorrow and tribulations he felt. How do we know he felt this way? Because he tells us in the song, "Will you be there". This picture is taken from the Live performance of that song, when he is at the ending with those moving & spoken words. Why is this important? ..........look at what poem is on page 85. "Two Birds". A poem Michael speaks in first person acknowledging his love for someone who is not known to the masses, a love whom he tells us is in secret but he no longer wishes it to be. In fact in 'Two birds", he tells us the ball is in her court.
What is Michael doing here? He is connecting his various work to one subject-her! It is clear now, in DANCING THE DREAM ,he is telling us The same love of whom he writes the poem "Two Birds" is the same one he sings and cries about towards the end of '"will you be there". And something elese, The original poem of 'will you be there", starts on page 121 and ends on page 122. It has different words from the song in the dangerous booklet. Here are a few from DANCING THE DREAM:
Call me
Save me and face me
Nurse me
Soothe me, don't leave me
When I'm hurting and bleeding
Bruised and bare
Will you still care?
Kiss me
Face me and kiss me
and when my heart is breaking
will you still care?
Will you be there?
The original poem is clearly about a love he had lost and so desperately needed and wanted to return. He has been waiting for her return for a very very long time.
Michael could've easily put that pic of him and the brown angel with this poem but HE DID NOT.By placing it alongside another poem ,He wanted to show, that his love for this woman was/is so connected to various parts of him that it would become obvious to his public how direct he was/is being.
So now we know for certain she has and will appear in different aspects of Michael's creativity, which is why this thread is so important. It never wouldn't have started if what I just posted wasn't true. Michael Jackson wanted somebody somwhere to see the pattern!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow! what a blessed and Lucky woman!
I hope this makes sense, it is very late and I am half asleep, lol.

[TialovesMJ]

Nice :).........


:eat:

[AllForMJ]

Wow! I must be out of my mind for being up this late on a work night, but this would not let me go back to sleep! I've been deliberately waiting for the weekend to do the storywriting because it takes more time, thought and effort, but this just popped into my mind...in the middle of the night...so it will be pretty easy to type out and post.

Here are more songs with "you" and "your." One I had already posted, but it just dawned on me that "you" is in the title of the song. "You" is actually in the title of more than one.

One More Chance
* Can't go on without you by my side
* I can't stop loving you

Fall Again
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I haven't left you alone
* I need your love in my life
* I want to fall with you again

For All Time
* And if these words could keep you happy, I'd do anything
* And if you feel alone I'll be your shoulder
* With a tender touch you will know so well
* When I say I love you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time
* For this good love undeceiving I'd go anywhere just as long as you are there
* When I say I need you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time
* Say that you'll never go
(The word "you" is repeated many times)

Hold My Hand
* 'Cause I've been there before and you've been there before, but together we can be all right
* So if you just hold my hand baby I promise that I'll do all I can
* Things will get better if you just hold my hand
* I can tell that you're tired of being lonely
* Come to me let me be your one and only

You Are So Beautiful
* You are so beautiful, to me
* Your true love showed me the way
* I walked with you
* Standing strong with you
* You are so beautiful
* You are so colorful
* You are magical
* You are salvation to me
* You near dried my tears
* The hole in my soul was covered up because you…you are so beautiful
* You are all that I am
* You were there

The Way You Love Me
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* You took my hand and you told me you loved me
* I was afraid of life and you came in time
* You took my hand and we kissed in the moonlight
* I like the way how you’re holdin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are holdin’ me
* I like the way how you’re lovin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are lovin’ me
* I like the way how you’re touchin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are touchin’ me
* I like the way how you’re kissin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are kissin’ me
* You'll see
* It won't be long 'til we make vows, I bet you
* I thank the Heavens above that I met you
* The world’s a better place ‘cause you came in time
* You took away the rain and brought the sunshine

Beautiful Girl
* Can't you see that I'm in love with you
* I'm in love with you
* Real love with you
* I love you
(The word "you" is repeated many times)

Love is on Michael's mind big time. He likes her a lot and he wants her to know so now he is singing directly to her. He is serenading his lady.

:yes:

[Ape]

Wow! I must be out of my mind for being up this late on a work night, but this would not let me go back to sleep! I've been deliberately waiting for the weekend to do the storywriting because it takes more time, thought and effort, but this just popped into my mind...in the middle of the night...so it will be pretty easy to type out and post.

Here are more songs with "you" and "your." One I had already posted, but it just dawned on me that "you" is in the title of the song. "You" is actually in the title of more than one.

One More Chance
* Can't go on without you by my side
* I can't stop loving you

Fall Again
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I haven't left you alone
* I need your love in my life
* I want to fall with you again

For All Time
* And if these words could keep you happy, I'd do anything
* And if you feel alone I'll be your shoulder
* With a tender touch you will know so well
* When I say I love you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time
* When I say I need you, baby, you gotta know that's for all time
* Say that you'll never go
(The word "you" is repeated many times)

Hold My Hand
* 'Cause I've been there before and you've been there before, but together we can be all right
* So if you just hold my hand baby I promise that I'll do all I can
* Things will get better if you just hold my hand
* I can tell that you're tired of being lonely
* Come to me let me be your one and only

You Are So Beautiful
* You are so beautiful, to me
* Your true love showed me the way
* I walked with you
* Standing strong with you
* You are so beautiful
* You are so colorful
* You are magical
* You are salvation to me
* You near dried my tears
* The hole in my soul was covered up because you…you are so beautiful
* You are all that I am
* You were there

The Way You Love Me
* I was alone in the dark when I met you
* You took my hand and you told me you loved me
* I was afraid of life and you came in time
* You took my hand and we kissed in the moonlight
* I like the way how you’re holdin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are holdin’ me
* I like the way how you’re lovin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are lovin’ me
* I like the way how you’re touchin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are touchin’ me
* I like the way how you’re kissin’ me
* It doesn’t matter how you are kissin’ me
* You'll see
* It won't be long 'til we make vows, I bet you
* I thank the Heavens above that I met you
* The world’s a better place ‘cause you came in time
* You took away the rain and brought the sunshine

Beautiful Girl
* Can't you see that I'm in love with you
* I'm in love with you
* Real love with you
* I love you
(The word "you" is repeated many times)

Love is on Michael's mind big time. He likes her a lot and he wants her to know so now he is singing directly to her. He is serenading his lady.

:yes:
One more chance (to) fall again, for all time. Hold my hand. You are so beautiful, the way you love me, beautiful girl. :lol:

OK some thoughts here spurred from your post.
* You are all that I am ~ Quite close to the "U R I" "you are I" found in the booklet of Invincible. The drawing that is in the booklet.
* You were there ~ Like an answer to the song "Will you be there". Yes she will, and yes she was, it seems. :)

Also seems as though he got one more chance. It does seem more and more like a progressing story.

On a side note, I was watching the pilot episode of the Jackson 5 cartoon the other day with my son and found it very interesting that even way back then there are parallels to later on in his life. For one, and it's a simple one, when they were each listing the things they wanted to be, rather than musicians, he said he wanted to be a cowboy and own a ranch with all these animals (Neverland?) and it also showed this one picture of his eyes, just like the ones on the Dangerous cover. So I think his art does parallel his life. Maybe he really hasn't changed all that much since he was a little boy. He has been singing about love his whole life, and now, instead of it being sad as it had in many of his CDs, it seems he is full of hope. I guess we will have to see what he has in store on his next CD (or whatever form he decides to release it in)

[Moddie777]

* You are all that I am ~ Quite close to the "U R I" "you are I" found in the booklet of Invincible. The drawing that is in the booklet.
* You were there ~ Like an answer to the song "Will you be there". Yes she will, and yes she was, it seems. :)

Also seems as though he got one more chance. It does seem more and more like a progressing story.


Ape! This is Genuis and very much on point with the Theory of this thread. Good work. I too had noticed the 'U R I" from the dangerous booklet and had wondered for years about it but had long since forgotten about it. Thanks for reminding us.

[mysterygirl7]

I don't mean to spoll a new discovery.. but aren't Uri.. Uri Geller? who happened to do the drawing..?

[Ape]

It's not spoiling it. That's who drew the drawing but he writes about what I wrote there in the explanation of the drawing on his website. So both parts have meaning. I guess he put his name in there because he drew it, but also for that reason that he wrote. It wasn't my own discovery (you are I = URI) but I just mentioned it because of the similarity to that one line. (Moddie, URI is in the dangerous booklet??)

[AllForMJ]

I went back to try and count how many times MJ said "you" in "Beautiful Girl," "For All Time" and "The Way You Love Me."

In "Beautiful Girl" he said "you" around 18 times
In "For All Time" he said "you" around 16 times (you, you've, you'll)
In "The Way You Love Me" he said "you" around 42 times. (you, you're, you'll)

Do you guys think he's getting his point across to her? LOL

Also, I just remembered that in "For All Time" he said, "For this good love undeceiving I'd go anywhere just as long as you are there." I've gone back into the above post to add this line. I'm adding it because the word "you" is in it and also because he said the words "you are there." He's now gone from "Will you be there?" to "You were there" to "You are there."

Also, if you all want to get a sense of how he feels about her listen to "Beautiful Girl" from 3:32 - 3:53. It's in his voice. Listen to the way he sounds.

And yeah, it is interesting that "URi" is in the drawing. What did he say about the word "peace" and the heart that's between the man and the woman? Is it simply peace and love?

[Ape]

Not just that no. What I got from it, and from what he says about it is that the two people bring peace to the world, and an end to war which is represented by the gun that is unable to fire bullets anymore or something. I won't discount the possibility. Sometimes it seems more possible to me than others. I can find it again and post it again if you'd like, though it is in this thread somewhere as well.

[Moddie777]

It's not spoiling it. That's who drew the drawing but he writes about what I wrote there in the explanation of the drawing on his website. So both parts have meaning. I guess he put his name in there because he drew it, but also for that reason that he wrote. It wasn't my own discovery (you are I = URI) but I just mentioned it because of the similarity to that one line. (Moddie, URI is in the dangerous booklet??)



OOOOps made a goof. I meant Vincible.

[Moddie777]

Nice :).........


:eat:

MJbabe21, I really love you! You are so Encouraging and Sweet. Your enthusiasm keeps me going!

[TialovesMJ]

MJbabe21, I really love you! You are so Encouraging and Sweet. Your enthusiasm keeps me going!


Thank you Moddie :) :hug: I love you more ....:D!! well you guys do a very nice job at intrepretting things. Keep it up guys!:kickass: and no Problem Moddie!

[Sdeidjs]

Ladies & Gents,
What an absolutely beautiful romantic love story...

Be still my heart~~~pitter patter~~~

I don't think Mr.Jackson is wooing this person has anything to do with her being lucky...She has "always" been there for him despite the trials, tribulations, through all the doubts, and frustration...

I believe it has "everything" to do with being "in love"... the two of them truly feeling totally "complete" with each other..!

[AllForMJ]

When he sings with the sound of love in his voice, he sounds really nice. It's like you can feel what he's feeling. I love that.

[Ape]

okay..so I found the inspiration for "Hold My Hand".


Ready for it guys?


Wall-E!! hahah.. nah but while watching that movie, I did get the hold my hand song popping up in my head..

[AllForMJ]

Wall-E?! Okay then. Wall-E it is! :lol:

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

well feel free then now! Go at it... I didn't have much more to say but that.

I do wish that we could see some physical evidence of him being with someone, such as him out with someone.. lol.. but I guess he is all about mystery ;)

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[Ape]

hahahah.. cute. OK.. I will not hold my breath for your post, but will look forward to the possibility of it.. (kinda like a certain new released album of somebodies :o )

[AllForMJ]

Hahahaha. Okey dokey, queenie.

Thanks for bring up mystery again, Ape. MJ wants the special one to help him make the mysteries unfold. Hmmmm. Unfold where? Unfold for whom? Unfold in privave? Or untold before the world? Maybe it's a bit of both. Unfold for them, unfold for everyone.

"Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole. Help me make these mysteries unfold."

Moddie777 recently brought up MJ's poem titled "Two Birds." In it he said:

"It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery? Let's give them a clue:"

So, I guess this clearly means he doesn't want his love for someone to remain a mystery. What would be the point of giving a clue? Yet, some of the clues that he's dropping are for her only and will remain a mystery.

Keep the magnifying glasses close by! LOL :D

[Ape]

"let's give them a clue " :) that's cute. Really sweet isn't it? He already works together with her. Doing things as a couple.. well.. or seems to want to.

I was told on here a while back that "two birds" was about himself.. and that MJ actually told this to someone..now he doesn't always have to tell the whole story to others, so maybe there is more to it than what he said.. or maybe even more to it than he realizes as well (as can often happen with inspired things).

[mjroxworld]

Sooo...AllForMJ, you gonna continue to leave us hangin' on your story???

[AllForMJ]

The storrrrryyyyyy. Thanks to the Internet, I was finally able to show you the areas that it all took place in. I'm still trying to think about how I want the ending to go tho. After reading some of his poems from "Dancing the Dream" again, I'm able to look back at some of the cute things he did that day and see why he did some of them. He is so much like the things he wrote. I'm hoping I can get some of that to come out in "the end."

Still thinking...

Also, I know what you're referring to, Ape. Dusk2Dawn is the one that explained "Two Birds" to us. :yes: He or she did say a lot of it has to do with MJ himself. What I find interesting though is that MJ has now brought up the word mystery in a love song.

Keep those magnifying glasses near by. lol

[Moddie777]

Hahahaha. Okey dokey, queenie.

Thanks for bring up mystery again, Ape. MJ wants the special one to help him make the mysteries unfold. Hmmmm. Unfold where? Unfold for whom? Unfold in privave? Or untold before the world? Maybe it's a bit of both. Unfold for them, unfold for everyone.

"Searching for that one who's gonna make me whole. Help me make these mysteries unfold."

Moddie777 recently brought up MJ's poem titled "Two Birds." In it he said:

"It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery? Let's give them a clue:"

So, I guess this clearly means he doesn't want his love for someone to remain a mystery. What would be the point of giving a clue? Yet, some of the clues that he's dropping are for her only and will remain a mystery.

Keep the magnifying glasses close by! LOL :D

I believe Michael has used "Mysterious unfold" in 2 recent songs "One more chance" and "Cry",. I agree, Michael seems to have been waiting for her to make "Their" mystery unfold. For whatever the reason, he felt he could not.
In many of his most saddest songs of longing he tells us how he is "waiting". He also tells us he waits for her over a course of a lengthy time in the Poem, ' "The last tear". Despair and Loneliness are his companion during this time.
Also Michael reveals in the second line of ''Two Birds" that this lady is not a celebrity. As you have posted he says, "They haven't ever met you, and NO ONE HAS YOUR PICTURE". If his lady love was publically known, he would not have made it his business to make that clear in the poem. In 1992 when Dancing The Dream" was published, Michael was opening up his very soul and relating to the world how deeply in love he had been and how broken his spirts had become with the loss.
His recent clues suggest that it is no longer a Mystery for Him. Michael is being far more direct now than ever before and whats most noticable is the fact he is being very consistant with being direct when it comes to his feelings for her.

[SoS]

Are y'all saying Wall E because their love ends up changing the world? :unsure: is that why that movie is being mentioned

Moddie would you be able to post "The Last Tear" or just that part?

AllforMJ *jumps up and down* ..............c'mon now ... my popcorn is getting cold :lol:

:popcorn: and what doyou mean by "the end" (in quotes)

( where is everybody? :unsure: )

[AllForMJ]

Many years ago, he said this...

“My dating and relationships with girls have not had the happy ending I’ve been looking for. Something always seems to get in the way. The things I share with millions of people aren’t the sort of things you share with one. Many girls want to know what makes me tick - why I live the way I live or do the things I do - trying to get inside my head. They want to rescue me from my loneliness, but they do it in such a way that they give me the impression they want to share my loneliness, which I wouldn’t wish on anybody, because I believe I’m one of the loneliest people in the world.”

Yet in 2003, in "One More Chance," he told the one he'd walk around the world to find and sail the seven seas to be near, "Come and rescue me out of this storm." He even provided a clue on how to do it when he said, "To get out of this cold, I need some warmth."

Then in 2004, in "The Way You Love Me" he said, "I was alone, there was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time."

"Come and rescue me..."
"You came in time."

It's like he knew he could believe in her. The overall tone of the song "The Way You Love Me" is that of happiness. It came out during a time of turmoil. In this song he's telling her she came in time and that she took away the rain. He seems to be very happy with the way she went about rescuing him from his loneliness. I'm wondering if she brought him the type of love that never interferes as he mentions in "Two Birds." It seems like it would be one of his requirements since he mentioned it. It also seems like he would want this to be ongoing while he and she are heading to that happy ending that he's been looking for.
:yes:

Hey, something good did happen this time when something got in the way. She was there for him before, during and after.

[AllForMJ]

Hi, STATEofSHOCK! Didn't see you until after I clicked the button to post! Cold popcorn?! Oh no, not cold popcorn! This is serious! Cold popcorn can't even be reheated in the microwave! Have you guys ever tried that?! It is soooooo nasty!! *spitting* :lol:

[SoS]

^ Tell me about it!! :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Ohhhhhh, so you DID try it! It's like chewing on some buttered styrofoam, huh? :lol:

[SoS]

^ perfect analogy :lol:



I'm wondering if she brought him the type of love that never interferes as he mentions in "Two Birds." It seems like it would be one of his requirements since he mentioned it. It also seems like he would want this to be ongoing while he and she are heading to that happy ending that he's been looking for.

I'm wondering ............. now if they've not really known eachother how he could know something like that ..............about her I mean ......... unless ....*thinking* unless maybe he sensed it about her..........that she is one to "live and let live" offerring herself only when and where needed ..

.. and/or maybe he could sense she is sensitive enough to offer herself to what maybe could be needed ... (Will You Be There, the poem, Nurse me
Soothe me, don't leave me)

:unsure:

maybe "help me make these mysteries unfold" means .....

help him understand their mysterious attraction as the Will You Be There poem also suggests, "Save me and face me" as if "facing" him would be "saving" him from the mystery.

when was Someone Put Your Hand Out released again....................................? same era wann't it

There for the first time he mentions searching the world and mentions the words, "wishing" - "she'll" and "be there"

:unsure: (hmm "will you be there")


and i'm in the process of establishing a new sleep pattern :lol: oh no!

[Ape]

In Wall-E he watches this film in which two people hold hands, and he is drawn in by this. He longs to hold the hand of another and almost seems to long to understand it. He first holds his own hand, then later on, he tries holding the hand of the girl robot who came to his world, yearning for the chance to hold it. It was a mini theme in the movie. Very sweet.

What you mentioned, SOS, could be another thing to add, sure.

What made you say they don't really know each other, when you said "I'm wondering ............. now if they've not really known eachother how he could know something like that ..............about her I mean ......... unless ....*thinking* unless maybe he sensed it about her..........that she is one to "live and let live" offerring herself only when and where needed .."

How can they not know each other if they are in love? They must know at least the important things, more than looks and all that superficial stuff, I would think. Just wondered why you thought he doesn't know her well.


AllforMJ yes that was the persons post I was referring to regarding the two birds. I can completely understand the other interpretation of it (that had come from MJ himself) though I can also see another possibility in it.

[LindaC781]

I don't think the woman wants to share his lonliness, and also loves him for exactly what person he is...nothing more, nothing less...What I mean is that the woman loves his personality. ALL of his personality. WHO he is..and I don't mean this in that star-struck sense. I mean it that the woman knows what kind of gentle, loving soul he is - and loves him so much for that...loves him for his sensitivity, his caring, and his sweet innocent nature. She never came across someone so quite uniquely original as he is, and she wouldn't change one thing about him. It is THAT that endears her to him. ....maybe she's the same way underneath too? And he knows that?

She loves him for all that.

[TialovesMJ]

^^ Exactly :eat:...........

[Ape]

Keep those magnifying glasses near by. lol

:lol: you and "Back". That's just another way of saying "Keep watching" ;)

hahaha gotta love it.

[SoS]

In Wall-E he watches this film in which two people hold hands, and he is drawn in by this. He longs to hold the hand of another and almost seems to long to understand it. He first holds his own hand, then later on, he tries holding the hand of the girl robot who came to his world, yearning for the chance to hold it. It was a mini theme in the movie. Very sweet.

What you mentioned, SOS, could be another thing to add, sure.

What made you say they don't really know each other, when you said "I'm wondering ............. now if they've not really known eachother how he could know something like that ..............about her I mean ......... unless ....*thinking* unless maybe he sensed it about her..........that she is one to "live and let live" offerring herself only when and where needed .."

How can they not know each other if they are in love? They must know at least the important things, more than looks and all that superficial stuff, I would think. Just wondered why you thought he doesn't know her well.


AllforMJ yes that was the persons post I was referring to regarding the two birds. I can completely understand the other interpretation of it (that had come from MJ himself) though I can also see another possibility in it. oh ok thanks for that Wall - E explanation.

I asked that question because from the beginning the theme of the thread seemed to be about someone he "knows" (and loves) in the spirit (mental, spiritual, emotional) realm

maybe that wasn't meant literally when it was said earlier on (remember you did the "dream" theory...it was for that reason, right?) .... not sure what's really being implied by some of the spiritual interpretations... which is also why I asked that. To see if maybe some clarification might come from some "interpreters" which I don't feel that I am one - I feel that what I do is just look at the music and make notations....and let the interpreters interpret and so with that, just hoped someone would clarify.

[Ape]

If it is through the art... I think we could all come up with various interpretations that would make sense to ourselves. I know Michael probably has his interpretation as well... but from my experience, even my own arts personal interpretation can and will evolve over time and experience. My writing or art can have a whole new meaning when I read it or look at it years later. I might have something sort of concrete in my mind at the time, but later on I see something new emerge out of it. Something even more beautiful that I hadn't noticed before. Like I wasn't really the only creator of it. It's happened in my drawings/paintings as well as writing and (my attempts at) poems, etc. Anything created. I love to hear other peoples interpretations of anything I create because often times they will pick up on something that I may have missed but is truly there. I don't know if you can attribute it to subconsious or maybe God, or just coincidence, but just because it might be different from my own interpretation, does not mean it doesn't have validity. Perhaps this is what is meant when he says "help me make these mysteries unfold". Maybe he knows there is more to his creations than he can see, and he needs to see them from someone elses viewpoint to understand them more fully. To see them in their entirety. Maybe there is more to it all than one persons perception.

[Ape]

My friend and I get talking sometimes about things in this thread and other things to do with Michael Jackson or even just ourselves. I wanted to share some of what we talked about and I hope it can bring some new ideas or insight into this and maybe in some way help?

If it is a bit hard to follow, just realize that it is letters back and forth, so it isn't written as a post. For me to have changed it would have taken away from it I think. So I left it as is.

We were talking about Two Birds, and I wanted to share some of the insight that they had. I got permission to before posting, since it isn't my thoughts only. First of all, here is Michael Jacksons poem :) and I will put the other persons thoughts in quotes with mine not in quotes.

TWO BIRDS

It’s hard to tell them what I feel for you.
They haven’t ever met you, and no one has your picture.
So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let’s give them a clue:
Two birds sit in a tree.
One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air.
One’s song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent.
Two birds wheel in the sun.
One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It’s easy to guess which bird I am, but they’ll never find you. Unless...

Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air.
Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious.
How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?
Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


© 1992 Michael Joseph Jackson - Dancing The Dream

I remembered a little mention / explanation a friend of mine had about "Two Birds", saying it was inspired by an Indian philosophy, I think. And I think she meant Kabir, or someone else. Michael is very inspired by Oriental mysticism anyway, and its beliefs are wonderful. I found a poem belonging to a poet called Michael Shepherd, poem inspired by Kabir, another poet and visionary. And it wrote:

Two Birds In A Tree

Two birds rest on the same tree; their eyes are bright; they look alike; yet one is the Teacher; one the Student; the Student tastes all the many fruits upon that tree; the Teacher sits, just watches, filled with love and pride; the eyes of both are bright; when the Student has tasted all, the Teacher asks what has been learnt; for only the Teacher knows within their heart: that now the Student is the teacher; the Teacher listens as a student; the Student speaks now as a teacher who has learned this of themself; the Teacher’s eyes are bright: knowing that to live it through shows the knowledge to be true; the Student is teaching the Teacher now, of how to teach; the Teacher glows to know the Student may surpass the Teacher; knowledge shines from both their eyes; who is the more glorious of these two who share both the same name? who rejoice to need the other; who rejoice to be the other; now they are silent; now the tree’s rejoicing too; Its roots above; its fruits below; its leaves, a shelter; its branches, home.* [ Leaning on a poem of Kabir: Indian readers will be familiar with 'two birds in a tree' as a metaphor for acting with detachment; Kabir takes this further, into knowledge gained from wise action...]


I copied and pasted it, and it even though it was a poem, it pasted itself strangely. It had stanzas anyway, I hope it can be clear nonetheless. I thought it somehow explains Michael's poem. It is an interchanging role, apparently, that they take, that of the Teacher and its student..Or of God and the child..Michael is a complex human being, he must have also included these subjects, too..He tells us, apparently, that he is both a child, and a wise person, both a slave and a master, like he says in the "Planet Earth" poem. I think he empathizes with a more profound knowledge, that of loving silently, wisely, with that peaceful, sitting, invisible bird..When feeling at one with God, he too becomes invisible..Yet, it also to his soul..His soulmate, most likely, which he yearns to be at one with with..Michael Shepherd's poem, though, I realize it's about the birds actually finding each other and living in a home at last, in the same tree; it tells about a happy finality, about the birds being both silent now, as though finally at peace and content, or as though the restless soul has finally found its peace..Beautiful how in this poem, it is mentioned something about the other's appearance, actually both of theirs: they are said to look alike, to be alike, to have their name alike, alluding to equality as well..To be one and the same figuratively speaking, or not necessarily..

Both poems are wonderful, as well as their inspiration..



the analogy is incredible, and both these poems are based on the Indian philosophy of the Master becoming one and the same with the pupil. Both the poems focus on the 2 birds, on the fruits one (both of them) eats, on silence and watching the other silently from beyond, only that Michael’s poem hasn’t had a finality at the time he wrote it. He was wistful.
His poem has multiple interpretations, I agree: he refers to either a loved one ( and we talked about it thoroughly), to God and himself, and how he wants the world to be able to see his soul, rather than just his physical, larger-than-life presence (the bird’s spectacular flight, food choices etc), he wants the world to see him as a human being with a large heart and a humble presence. Just like he wants to find peace of mind, and he makes it patent by lovingly describing the other bird, the quiet, invisible one, sounding as though he himself would want to identify with its nature, of being anonymous, invisible and at peace („your silence is so precious”)..He must be that mysterious too, because he wants to find equilibrium between the very seen and the very unseen. This reminds me of what you said about Wall-E’s theme, and when he founds a female robot, meaning someone of the same kind that could understand him, Wall-E seemingly trying to break free from his ‚unconfortable’ condition and wanting to do things that free human beings can do. Michael drew this little robot, too, on occasion of the L’Uomo Vogue issue, with the message: „I don’t want to be a robot”, doing perfect things all the time that are imposed by others, meaning he doesn’t want to be controlled, he wants to be able to breathe from that ‚invisible air” of the freer bird he extols..
From the same rare interview I mentioned to you before (from 1991), where he said how he would like his ideal person to be, he also said that, at the time, there was ‚no one special’ in his life, which adds to the meaning of the poem, and also, he added „No one knows the real Michael”, and this could tie with what he says about the other bird, the silent one no one knows about or no one has seen, meaning he identifies with both birds..He often feels misunderstood, prompting him to conclude such drastically..
ME

Yes it was exactly that. Those three interpretations. The one, which sounds fairly obvious is that it could be about him, and a love who watches him without interference, who no one has seen (including himself??) and who's song can be heard in his (his perfect love..often sung about in his songs), who is free, and how he longs for the day when they hear her song in his (also interesting that he never refers to the bird as either male or female so the other interpretations can come about as well, which are (for me..and you):
The one bird is God and the other himself. Gods love never interferes, they don't have his picture. He watches while the one is doing and experiencing (eating cherries, like the other two birds poem, flying through the air, singing his song etc). How long till they hear Gods song in his? Well really I couldn't say it all better than the poem does. It seems so clearly about God when thinking of it that way.
And the third way being he is talking about the two aspects of himself. How can they understand his own mystery when they have never seen him fully? Not seen the soul of him. They don't have a picture of his soul. The part of him that is free, the part that looks on and doesn't interfere.


When he was married the first time, he still sung about being lonely („YANA”: „I’m still all alone” ; or in „Stranger in Moscow”: „I’m living lonely!”), being intent in what he sung..He was married, but he never lived with LMP, but ocasionally, and he never lived with Debbie Rowe either, even though he loved both of them, especially the former..After his first divorce, he said something along the lines that it wasn’t mean to be and you have to respect that, him being awfully Destiny-guided too. „Invincible” the album spoke a lot about loneliness again, and he even said in the LWMJ documentary that ‚if there is a girl”, he would give her jewelry and things like that, basically answering there isn’t one, or, most of all, the one; and in 2004, during the trial, he gave an interview to director and friend Bret Rattner, where he would list his favorite songs, some about loneliness, others about a lost childhood and others about the world’s well-being / problems..So, it’s pretty much conclusive adding that he wasn’t with her in the flesh all that time..And even before, otherwise he wouldn’t have married, and would have waited for her..In 2008, „For All Time” was released, an unexpected choice for „Thriller 25”, theme-wise, composition-wise etc, speaking again of the future, of his hope that his words could warm her in his absence or until they finally meet, either for the first time, or in the flesh for the first time. It again sounds like a distance type of love „if you feel alone” / ‚for this good love undeceiving, I’d go anywhere”..He’d do anything to find this kind of love, he’d ‚sail the seven seas to be near her’, like he sings in „One More Chance”..
So, I don’t mean to sound too mystical, and I only gave a few song examples, but I think he still fights for these ideals, whether he knows who she is or prays that she is there somewhere..Somehow, I don’t feel a 2 persons presence , except from, maybe, at a distance..And those songs like „Break Of Dawn” or „Beautiful Girl” or „The Way You Love Me” could be based on either memories or on his idealist imagination, and they are contrast with some others, like, when you’d think he finally found her, you realize he actually didn’t, and he’d be singing like that all his life. He could have went online a few times to confess about his love and what he expects in return, I don’t know, but if he did indeed inserted a certain somebody in his latest message addressed to his fans, he isn’t with her yet, but feels her presence like he has said in those poems or songs..
Sorry about these long posts. I wanted to offer my own personal opinion, of course, and also that based on a gut-feeling, somehow, or the fact that he is such a perfectionist about everything, and even based on practically all the astrology interpretations of him I came across..And if, every bit of a song or lyric could prove to undergo such fierce manipulations and high expectations, this could tie with him saying he wants to find a love that is so divine and perfect and pure and such..That is him, and if these lines make sense, I hope he doesn’t end up being alone..): Especially since all his life, he has had this restless soul of wanting to help other people all the time, with little care to his own needs, thus him ending up to be used that many times, and he is still saying how much he wants to please his fans and do everything he can for them, or for his children, and he rarely ever mentions himself personally, except for when it has to do with his career..I do sympathize with that, because he has been hurt countless times before, and wants to be wary, and as he said years ago, he is ‚suspicious’, or in the phone tapes..I think he realizes today that he too could use peace of mind, a little more focus to himself, hopefully..If we can say that, given such information, or portions of it, we have to wait and see what his new album will disclose, so that we know of his current situation for sure..

ME
That is true, it doesn't seem like he is with the one, if he has found her... and maybe he is not sure if he has found her or not.. but it does seem he has found someone who could be the one for him. I can see it is due to you caring about him that you think of all these things. How can we really help him though I wonder. Would posting these thoughts help him? Maybe to help others see, and possibly understand him more? and to finally accept when he does meet the one or find her. Because I can't see him going through his life with all this love and not having someone to return that same love to him. Not in the way that fans do (that is also important I guess...but a lonely sort of love) but in a companion type of love. Really, I don't think the fans have to accept her at all (though I do think most would love to see him happy) but it isn't our place to say whether he is with the right one, or whether he should be with this one or that... it is not our lives, but his, and the lady's. So maybe by posting what you have written, it will show how much he does long for that love. the Real everlasting divine type love that doesn't decieve. Maybe if they see that, they won't want to do one thing to interfere because it is his wish and what he longs for


---------
And I see now.. not interfering seems to be a theme.

[Moddie777]

Here comes the poem. 'The last Tear". It's on page 86 and follows "Two Birds".

Give me a few minutes, eating a snack.

[Moddie777]

The Last Tear

Your words stabbed my heart, and I cried tears of pain.
"Get out!" I shouted. '"These are the last tears I'll ever
cry for you." So you left.
I WAITED hours, but you didn't return. That night by
myself I cried tears of frustration.
I WAITED weeks, but you had nothing to say. Thinking
of your voice, I cried tears of LONELINESS.
I WAITED months, but you left no sign for me. In the
depths of my heart, I cried tears of DESPAIR.

How strange that all these tears could not wash
away the hurt! Then one thought of love pierced my
bitterness. I remembered you in the sunlight, with a
smile as sweet as May wine. A tear of gratitude started
to fall, and miraculousy, you were back. Soft fingers
touched my cheek, and you bent over for a kiss.
"Why have you come?" I whispered.
"To wipe away your last tear," you replied. "It was the
one you saved for me".


Michael's clues tell us now that this woman has come back to him.

[TialovesMJ]

The Last Tear

Your words stabbed my heart, and I cried tears of pain.
"Get out!" I shouted. '"These are the last tears I'll ever
cry for you." So you left.
I WAITED hours, but you didn't return. That night by
myself I cried tears of frustration.
I WAITED weeks, but you had nothing to say. Thinking
of your voice, I cried tears of LONELINESS.
I WAITED months, but you left no sign for me. In the
depths of my heart, I cried tears of DESPAIR.

How strange that all these tears could not wash
away the hurt! Then one thought of love pierced my
bitterness. I remembered you in the sunlight, with a
smile as sweet as May wine. A tear of gratitude started
to fall, and miraculousy, you were back. Soft fingers
touched my cheek, and you bent over for a kiss.
"Why have you come?" I whispered.
"To wipe away your last tear," you replied. "It was the
one you saved for me".


Michael's clues tell us now that this woman has come back to him.


Awwwww!!this poem is sad, but then sweet at the end of it!how cute :)

[SoS]

oh yes I remember this poem now thanks for posting it



Michael's clues tell us now that this woman has come back to him.
this was written over 15 years ago :scratch:

just out of curiousity, are the CAPS yours or his? If yours I can see your point about waiting, lonliness and despair. Well, if his, I can see the same of course.

[Moddie777]

oh yes I remember this poem now thanks for posting it

this was written over 15 years ago :scratch:

just out of curiousity, are the CAPS yours or his? If yours I can see your point about waiting, lonliness and despair. Well, if his, I can see the same of course.


My point at the end of the poem was NOT about any clues from the dated poem but the clues he has been giving us recently which is why I put in the word "now".

The caps are mine so you could see/get the point of my post where I mentioned those words.

hope this helps ya, lol.

[SoS]

^ oh! (duh) ok lol thanks

[Moddie777]

Something elese about the poem '"The last Tear" I failed to point out. Reread the very last sentence of the poem.
Sounds familiar? It links to the NEWLY added bridge of "For all time" from T25, when in it he sings this line: "owwwwww the rain may wash away". Translates to, Tears being wiped away in the end on a special day for the both of them.

[AllForMJ]

And it also ties into his song, "You Are So Beautiful"

You near dried my tears
Washed away my fears

He didn't go through the trial alone. She was with him. He wrote this during that time.

[friend]

Michael's frequently been referred to as an old soul, perhaps the reunion is not of someone from this life

[Moddie777]

And it also ties into his song, "You Are So Beautiful"

You near dried my tears
Washed away my fears

He didn't go through the trial alone. She was with him. He wrote this during that time.


Yep! Yep! Yep!, He continues to tie in and link current lyrics and hidden messages with dated material which further suggest a love requitted and from his past.

Yes, he told us she was there. Amazing.

[mjroxworld]

*Goosebumps, go away!*

[AllForMJ]

So the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...

:yes:

[friend]

lol....

[AllForMJ]

Don't you guys just love the way he's acting right now? He has perked up so much with his romantic self. :wub:

[sophia_louise]

i think u guys are over analysing things waaayyy to much, he wuld probaly laugh if he read this thread lol.

[AllForMJ]

If he were to read this thread and laugh, that's quite alright. Rather have him laugh than cry anyway. He'll probably just say, "Chicks being chicks as usual." LOL

Besides, it's a lot better than what Sneddon and the media were doing to him. At least we are not beating up on him for being a beautiful person. We're merely pointing out the beautiful things he's been saying, writing and singing lately.

:yes:

Example:

This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for
(Hold my hand)
We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)

'Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be all right
'Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight

Simply beautiful....

In "The Way You Love Me" he mentioned the dark. In "One More Chance" he mentioned the cold. In "Hold My Hand" he mentioned a solution for getting through both.

[friend]

If he were to read this thread and laugh, that's quite alright. Rather have him laugh than cry anyway. He'll probably just say, "Chicks being chicks as usual." LOL



possiblity... or maybe he'd spin around real fast and become the demon from Ghosts and invade everyone up in here like he did the mayor so we'd have an idea how it feels when its done to us?

hmm.. contemplates it.... one just never knows

well back to other things... skips out of thread before any demons appear

[AllForMJ]

possiblity... or maybe he'd spin around real fast and become the demon from Ghosts and invade everyone up in here like he did the mayor so we'd have an idea how it feels when its done to us?

hmm.. contemplates it.... one just never knows

well back to other things... skips out of thread before any demons appear
Hmmmm. That's a thought. :lol:

[Ape]

Nah, I am sure not. No one here is on a rampage after him. We are all just well wishing. Can't see him being upset about that. If he didn't like people contemplating his music, why would he release it?

[friend]

ahhhh...the threads' about contemplating his music .... well we'll never really know how He feels

[Ape]

Of course not.. it is SPECULATION based on his music lyrics and things he's said. What is wrong with that? Is it any different than fan fiction? He is not our best friend, he doesn't need to answer, at the same time, it is fine and natural to be curious isn't it? To want to know the story behind things. If that was not the case, The Mona Lisa would not be famous.

[friend]

Of course not.. it is SPECULATION based on his music lyrics and things he's said. What is wrong with that? Is it any different than fan fiction? He is not our best friend, he doesn't need to answer, at the same time, it is fine and natural to be curious isn't it? To want to know the story behind things. If that was not the case, The Mona Lisa would not be famous.

who said anything is wrong.?.. just an alternative thought... suppose it shant be entertained tho

[Ape]

I just thought that if someone said something in here, or contemplated something that would cause another to do something drastic (ghost) that would imply that something wrong was done.. but I might have to go look at your post again because maybe I misunderstood your intent or meaning.

invade everyone up in here like he did the mayor so we'd have an idea how it feels when its done to us?

I guess I just don't understand your post then.

Do you think he would be that furious by reading this thread that it would cause him to be inspired to make a "Ghosts" sequel? Could you imagine that? lol... These old bittys (sorry for describing us as such) sitting around gossiping about who is with whom and what he means when he says this or that.. and he comes around to scare us all off our rockers for having cupids arrows in our eyes.

[Moddie777]

Besides, it's a lot better than what Sneddon and the media were doing to him. At least we are not beating up on him for being a beautiful person. We're merely pointing out the beautiful things he's been saying, writing and singing lately.

I appreciate this part the most from your post. Totally agree with it! Unfortunately, I have seen first hand how many fans seem to like Michael better when they know he is alone, sad and possibly isolated from the rest of the world as opposed to him being / behaving as if he is personally happy, uplifted, and hopeful. As long as MIchael fit the safe image created of him by his public the better others can feel about their fantasies of him.

Loving someone honestly and purely is also loving without condition and accepting them and their decisions even when it doesn't include you.

We are celebrating the Love he is putting out. Join us don't condem us. Understand us, don't hate on us.

[AllForMJ]

If MJ was not sending out a very loving feeling, this thread would have ended months ago. There never would have been anything there to talk about.

In 2003, when MJ recorded "One More Chance, " how did he find it within himself to sing a song about wanting a particular person so much that the song ends with "I can't stop loving you?" He recorded this during a time that the media was all over him and treating him very badly. He was going through what many call a media storm. In this song he even asked for shelter. That's some coincidence. Although I don't believe it is one.

What was it that made him feel compelled to work on "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me" while fighting for his life? How did he find the strength to do this and pour so much love into it? What was he drawing the sound of happiness from during such a dismal time...enough to end "The Way You Love Me" with "Lalalala...?" He could not have brought forth such a lovely sound if the feeling wasn't there to create it. Especially with him being a recording artist that doesn't sing what he doesn't mean.

So, what sparked it? Where was the feeling and sound coming from and why was it able to override the hurt and continue on?

Over analyzing? I don't think so. It's all right there within plain view. It's in the words. It's in his tone of voice. It's also in stereo.

[Ape]

Ok.. so I got thinking.. and I don't mind when that happens...but we could all very well be on the right track with this. We could be accurately interpreting things....but maybe friend is right? Maybe I am wrong. Maybe he would be bothered by us openly discussing so in depth the things that are so close to his heart no matter if he released them for the rest of the world to hear or not. Maybe he just wishes to share the music. Not so we will discect it to find out more about him, but so that we will enjoy the truth that it brings to our own lives.

What if we are taking this too far? Are we? Maybe he doesn't want to leave himself out so vulnerable and bare. Maybe we wouldn't want others to discuss our own lives so intimately. I guess if he is in love, we can just be happy for him and leave it at that?

At first I wondered about discussing such things online like this...the personal private matters of his life.. but then I thought, it's just speculation. No different from a fan fiction. So what is the harm.

I'm not him to know how he would feel. I wish he could answer that, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't. So.... I don't know. I am having one of those moral dilemas. Maybe someone could help me to see his possible side or views on this?

[AllForMJ]

Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?

But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.

Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?

[Ape]

I don't know.. I really like the thread and thought it actually did some good. I haven't exactly asked MJ if he minds or not.....lol. Not sure if anyone here is able to.

I would miss it, I won't lie. I think it's a really sweet positive thing in a time when there really isn't much we can see happening. I think it might even be preparing those who could have difficulty with him finding a love, get used to the idea...which could only help him.

I like it.. but I am not Michael. If I knew he didn't like it, I would say, yes we probably should say goodbye to it. I know none of us here would want to hurt him in any way, purposely or inadvertently.

I am a romantic sap though.. I just love hearing about, reading about, writing about, dreaming about romance and love. REAL love though. True and honest love that lasts "for all time" and I don't like to see it end.


Ok... on second thought....
No I don't think it would be good to delete this. It is a part of who he is. Go read that post with input from a friend of mine there.. that is so moving I thought.... what they said. So much of this is something important I think. How can love ever be a bad thing? It is beautiful, and if we happen to see it....how can that be wrong? This world needs MORE love in it. It needs love, REAL love, splashed up and down and all around every crevice and corner. How can it really be a bad thing. Love is beautiful. We need to see real examples of true love, romantic love, and love that has no end. If he can be an example to us, to showing how a woman should be loved, then that is a GOOD thing. I still would love to hear his opinion on us discussing HIS love... but I hope he could see that he can be a shining light in this area as well. Teaching us about what real love is...because I think at the very least, his lyrics do that. They teach how beautiful a true love can and should be.

[Lisha]

:popcorn:

[AllForMJ]

He can sing about love and that's okay. He can talk about love and that's okay. He can write about love and that's okay. But, if he shows signs of being in love then some want to act like he's doing something that is highly forbidden.

Meanwhile, his fans all over the world go off and get married year after year after year without him saying anything about it. What does he have to do to be happy? Oh yeah, he has to hide the one he loves so no one will get mad at him. Is this fair? Nope. It's not fair at all.

People better get used to the idea of Michael Jackson tying the knot, because one day, that day will come. One day, he's going to say he's not going to let anything get in the way. One day, it's going to be right. And no matter how much you want to deny it, label her as his employee, or call it a PR stunt, that love is going to be real and solid as a rock.

[SoS]

I find it baffling that some fans are SO comfortable to talk about everything under the sun about Michael Jackson EXCEPT LOVE

Oh he can be angry, violent, suppressed, victimized and violated

but he can't be in LOVE

It would seem to me that if MJ imho absolutely did not want his own fans discussing his own love songs' meanings, that he would hire a private investigatorr and have his security to go to her in person, and let everyone read about it in the paper some day

. but no....

we get a "story" from a "hero" who loves to "seranade" creating a beautiful piece of drama

and some fans can't handle it

MJ is the one doing this, whether he's actually singing to that one special someone or not .....he's the one creating the intrigue, the mystery, and the drama.....throiugh his own music ....

....and who does he do all that for....

at the end of the day you know who?

his fans.

Because MJ is a master story-teller and he uses story to entertain his fans and would I imagine be pleased to know his fans have latched onto a story in his body of work....

.. and besides ....if he is singing to one person, it seems to me that he wants his fans to enjoy that with him too and whether this is true or not, MJ would have to see how any well-intended fan would reason this way/

MJ's fans are his first love, his first "wife" ....if he is sending "double messages" via the fans, maybe it is because his first love and his true love are "one".

Wouldn;'t it be so cute if that little story in the intro of Luomo Vogue were to come true...and here we all are, his "subjects" .... watching the beautiful story unfold.

*I can't believe I'm saying all this lol * I just wish people would let others enjoy the idea that MJ's music may have a theme and a purpose beyond lamenting about society, ill treated children and pain for a change.

He's a man. A HUMAN man. He feels pain yes and he feels LOVE.


how could a person really actually turn something so special into something negative

and why should those who see the positive let that win?

Some people can't imagine Michael as an actual human being who lives somewhere besides their customized fantasies...but does that really have to become everyone's problem?

He can sing about war, pain, death, missing children and everything else

EXCEPT LOVE

i don't think so

OH p.s. I meant to mention...as for friend...
I seriously think she was just kidding lol

I meant what I said on g.p. - If this thread is gonna go for the final time, please don't let it be because of random negativity or someone's inability to choose another thread if they don't like this one

[Ape]

You're right. .....Sometimes I just try to put myself in anothers shoes, but this time, I just couldn't see how he might feel about it. So I expressed that here.

There is nothing wrong with him being and feeling in love, and everything RIGHT about it. I want to see more and more of it from him. I want to see him beaming of happiness from achieving and receiving that love he has longed for and sung about all these years.

and come to think of it...isn't his answer right there in that poem I posted of two birds?


How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?
Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


Also.. he doesn't sing about healing the world so we will shut up about it. He sings about this to move people to DO something. I think he sings of these subjects so they WILL be talked about. We aren't drawing out names of women he might be wanting or interested in. We are respecting his privacy in that regard. We are only marveling at the possibility of him finally achieving his desire of a true and divine love and CELebrating it! That's what weddings are. A celebration of two people committing their lives to this love, and others bearing witness to it. We are witnessing that love before it has been brought to the publics attention in such a forward manner as a wedding. That is support! That is a good thing.

[AllForMJ]

Yep, we all better start wrapping our minds around the real possibility of Michael Jackson no longer crying alone at night, but instead being truly happy because someone has fully replaced her last name with his. The day is going to come when his pillow is not going to be filled with his tears. His head is going to be on one pillow and her head is going to be on the other. If it means that some may have to shed tears of their own for his to stop, it will just have to be that way. Get ready for a trade-off. It really isn't fair for him to have to sing about what he wants so much and be afraid to have it just because he's famous.

Oh, and I'm not thinking the thread should be deleted. It's come too far this time. It also came back on the same day that "Hold My Hand" hit the Internet with MJ's voice in it. The words of that song tied in so well. That was a very magical day. It probably won't happen like that again. The odds of that happening again are very slim.

You know? There was also a time when many may have felt like all the chaos that had entered his life was not going to come to an end. Now it has. His life is calm. And just like this day came, his day of love in wedlock can too.

:yes:

[Moddie777]

Please keep this thread! It was created by you AllforMJ for all of the right reasons. I have sat back through the years and watched fan after fan become increasingly selfish and territorial of Michael Jackson as if they owned him. They don't seem to want him to be personally happy at all and they come on forums and try to sway the opinion of threads when they have an agenda about the subject matter.
It is not fair to Michael! He is happy and is telling us he is in Love! We are his fans and we have the right to spread his happiness, bask in it and feel good for him. We are the unselfish ones! Michael would be proud!

[Moddie777]

Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?

But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.

Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?


I certainly heard it! Which is why I was drawn to your thread. Michael's own clues have made it fairly easy to interpret. That comes from him being so much in love. He is sharing pieces of it with us and we should ALL feel greatful to him for that. Too bad some fans won't like him anymore because he will not be showing signs of sadness, grief, longing and isolation.
I wonder how that would make him feel, to know this about( some in) his own fanbase.

[Sdeidjs]

First & formost we love learning about the fan's/admirers thoughts...therefore, the thread is quite autobigraphical in some sense...

Second: What many forget about Mr.Jackson, he "speaks" through his music "I don't sing it if I don't mean it"...

Third: If Mr.Jackson did not like this thread, He would say so and it would be removed...

Fourth: Mr.Jackson is worldly, prophetic, very intelligent, passionate, and utilizes metephors to tell a story.

Fifth: I believe this person has continued to "always" be there for him, despite everything...

Sixth: Everything in life happens for a reason: we all have a purpose in life...

Seventh: This person could very well be a fan/admirer; for she is the one that understands him and the fans/admirers the most...

[Ape]

I really didn't mean to start such an uproar here. I also don't think it is a matter of good fan vs. bad fan or fan wanting him happy vs. jealous fan. It's just two equally valid view points of one being a fan who wants to explore the possibilities of something good happening in his life, and the other being ones who think it might be invading his privacy.

Since this is largely our interpretation of what we are able to see, through his lyrics, poetry, photos, and public appearances, then it isn't truly an invasion of privacy since we cannot tell what is actually really happening. He still keeps us guessing through it all. Another part of his mystique.

[wendy2004]

^^ He's also said that not all his songs are about him. Maybe he "feels" the story but doesn't always indicate that it's his story. Sometimes he's just the storyteller?


Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?

But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.

Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?

Do you mean it went unnoticed by the media? It's possible other fans or took notice of these possible clues/hidden messages BUT they are leaving the clues to the person it belongs to. :) Maybe some ppl are leaving him and his intended to their way of communicating without interference or spotlight. When he's ready to bring it out into the spotlight, I'm sure he will. For now it seems like he's content to play the game of clues and hidden messages with her and maybe ppl should leave him to it. We can assume this lady doesn't know, but maybe she does. And maybe he knows that she knows. He has said he appreciates everything "you do"...speaking in present tense. It's possible she's been sending him clues as well, right under our noses. He didn't say he appreciates everything "you've done" as in past tense. He used the present tense which shows they might have some sort of back and forth going (and folks have missed her side of things) and maybe they're fine with it like that. It's cute...but again, there's nothing stopping him from going public if he wants ppl to know and be happy for him. He's been married twice and rumored to have been with other women. Michael and women is nothing new for fans to be uspet over altho there's going to be some who naturally will be. That hasn't stopped him before, why would it stop him now? Perhaps, all of this is just a matter of him wanting to protect his privacy and maybe hers. I think ppl should honor that and leave them to their romantic game, if there really is one. :)

Also, I feel some fans just want to talk about it to make themselves feel a part of the romantic story moreso than celebrating this possible love. Seems okay but there's a fine line. Afterall, this is still someone's private life and whatever back and forth is going on between Michael and this lady is an intimate thing. Like I've said before maybe the fact that it's so public is becuz that's their only way of communicating. Otherwise, they could say and do things without prying eyes or fans intercepting/catching on to their love code. :lol:

[AllForMJ]

Let's look at it this way...

When he recorded the words, "I'm unbreakable" many accepted these words and many even repeated them.

When he recorded the words, "I'm in love" did he get the same amount of support? No. But, it doesn't matter. You know why it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter because the love already came into his life and did what it was supposed to do. Thank God love doesn't ask for permission to do what it does. Many would want him to continue waiting.

You know what was so beautiful about it? Not only did it cause MJ to sing about it, but no one was able to block it the way they were blocking his albums.

[Ape]

lol... ^Sorry that made me laugh, maybe it shouldn't have. How much clearer could he be I guess... "I'm in Love". Suddenly it doesn't really sound like a hidden message at all.

Also, good points Sabrina. I can see that side as well... though most likely that isn't their ONLY form of communication. Probably just one more form.

..and yes, thank God it would happen regardless of what we type here, or notice here and there.

[Moddie777]

Wendy2004 you have a good eye! I think you are an undercover interpreter! When you mentioned in your post about
about Michael and her possibly having a back and forth thing going on between them and the fact that we may have been missing her side of the story. I have felt this very same way. Funny you should mention it especially with the recent direction of the thread. lol.

hmmmmmmmm, make we wanna to so more digging.

[Moddie777]

The end of my post should have read:

hmmmmmmmm make me wanna do some more digging.