OTW 30 - artists to rework classic tracks

[mjdatabank]

Hi Everyone,

According to Sony Music, here are the names of some of the artists who may work on remixes / new versions of classic MJ tracks to appear on the OFF THE WALL 30 CD.

J. TIMBERLAKE
RIHANNA
JAY-Z
AMY WINEHOUSE

opinions, suggestions, thoughts: here we go !

[analogue]

I hope that this isn't true. I really don't want Off The Wall 30th anniversary album. If they do an Off The Wall 30 album then they'll have to do a Bad 25 album in 2012, a Dangerous 15 album in 2010, a HIStory 15 album in 2010, and an Invincible 10 album in 2011 to make things fair.

[Muchos]

I hope that this isn't true. I really don't want Off The Wall 30th anniversary album. If they do an Off The Wall 30 album then they'll have to do a Bad 25 album in 2012, a HIStory 15 album in 2010, and an Invincible 10 album in 2011 to make things fair.

Agree, seems that sony, epic, legacy or whoever it is, are spending som small change money to re-package instead of a full new MJ album wich they know will cost hell of a lot to produce, promote etc.... This sucks.

[lilseanb]

i wouldnt mind...but id prefer some new MICHAEL! lol

[daphnieas]

Yeah we all prefer a new album, that's for sure; but I don't mind OTW 30 either, the Amy Winehouse thing might be interesting after her unforgettable take on Beat It lol

[mjdatabank]

please peole, note that this post is not about OTW30 Vs the new album.
OTW 30 is a reality, it's a back catalog project with hopefully new content to please the fans and the public.

That would be interesting to know what artists you think should work on OTW30.

[Moonwalkman]

I mean I do want OTW 30 CD, but I just wish they come out a New MJ CD this year lol.

[sharon007]

Seems to be a re-hash of what happened with Thriller. Although I welcome a re-release with new remixes I would really prefer a new album.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[Adibobea9]

New Album +1…

[Silouette]

There must be a reason for this.
I mean other than the fact that it's the 30th anniversary of OTW.
Maybe this is a way to apease fans and the general public until MJ is in
a position to release a new CD.
Nonetheless, MJTribute has stated that it's in the works already, so.....

I'm amazed when I think about it's been 30 years since OTW. WoW.

[elusive moonwalker]

thats a new concept i dont think. same ole. how about vince 8. nice to know we have this to look forward to lol someones having a laugh

[qbee]

I think that would be awesome
rather than just a re-release of the originals
add some covers and mixes - Amy winehouse
would be very interesting. I wonder what song
she would sing :)

[Foxy..]

Sounds good to me, interested in hearing the Timberlake and Winehouse versions/remixes.. What songs do we think will be selected? DSTYGE, RWY are obvious choices.. I would love to hear a re-work of Workin' Day and Night and GIRLFRIEND!

[Calotte12]

I dont want a OTW 30TH ablum..

[Hess]

Justin Timberlake to do MJ songs.

That's what he has done all his carrier, only difference is this time it will be original MJ songs! :lol: It could be intresting though, would maybe introduce MJ to the younger generation. Timberlake's fan base is mostly 10-year old girls isn't it?? :)

[Hess]

Sounds good to me, interested in hearing the Timberlake and Winehouse versions/remixes.. What songs do we think will be selected? DSTYGE, RWY are obvious choices.. I would love to hear a re-work of Workin' Day and Night and GIRLFRIEND!

I agree very much that it would be nice if they decided to re-work some of the more unknown songs, BUT I wouldn't like them to redo Girlfriend. It's originally a Paul McCartney song, so I would rather if they did Workin Day And Night, It's the falling in love or Off the Wall.

[lilsusie]

helll pls no justin timberlake. :( i dislike him..
why do they have to rework a classic album?
i thought MJ has had enough to mess around with thriller but now off the wall.
what's wrong with MJ?

[144,000]

not looking forward to it. i appreciate that the artists appreciate MJ tho.

[lilsusie]

There must be a reason for this.
I mean other than the fact that it's the 30th anniversary of OTW.
Maybe this is a way to apease fans and the general public until MJ is in
a position to release a new CD.
Nonetheless, MJTribute has stated that it's in the works already, so.....

I'm amazed when I think about it's been 30 years since OTW. WoW.
stop finding excuse for MJ already, fans had been saying the same thing with thriller 25.
if i see justin timberlake on an MJ's album. i swear i'm done with MJ.

[elusive moonwalker]

I mean other than the fact that it's the 30th anniversary of OTW.
Maybe this is a way to apease fans and the general public until MJ is in
a position to release a new CD.

to make money and nothing more seeing as mj isnt doing anything and god knows how long it will be b4 he does

[BigDaddy]

I wouldn't have a problem with this, but I would if they didn't do a Bad 25 because of a Thriller 30 instead on the same year. >:-(

[GOLDSPACESUIT45]

There must be a reason for this.
I mean other than the fact that it's the 30th anniversary of OTW.
Maybe this is a way to apease fans and the general public until MJ is in
a position to release a new CD.
Nonetheless, MJTribute has stated that it's in the works already, so.....

I'm amazed when I think about it's been 30 years since OTW. WoW.
But thats what fans thought about thiller 25...

[Silouette]

stop finding excuse for MJ already, fans had been saying the same thing with thriller 25.
if i see justin timberlake on an MJ's album. i swear i'm done with MJ.
Child please. You dont know me AT ALL! I'm the last person to make excuses for MJ or anybody else for that matter.

What does it matter that JT or whomever is on the next CD?
Why dont you just wash your hands of MJ NOW then??

to make money and nothing more seeing as mj isnt doing anything and god knows how long it will be b4 he does
Money will always be a factor in the picture, but we can be almost
sure that he's working on something....regardless to when it may come out. Which in turn, does us no good.

But thats what fans thought about thiller 25...
Yah, I l know.


Dam all of yall gonna jump me!!! Lol!!

[DuranDuran]

I think that putting new remixes on an album devalues the original. Nobody else does that. Some other acts albums that have been remastered might have unreleased tracks or B-sides from the same time period put on it, that's ok. If you're going to have remixes, at least use versions released at the time of the original album release and just release any new remixes on a maxi single or a separate remix album like the Isley Brothers & Kool & The Gang did or those Motown/Verve remix albums.

[144,000]

Child please. You dont know me AT ALL! I'm the last person to make excuses for MJ or anybody else for that matter.

What does it matter that JT or whomever is on the next CD?
Why dont you just wash your hands of MJ NOW then??

Money will always be a factor in the picture, but we can be almost
sure that he's working on something....regardless to when it may come out. Which in turn, does us no good.

Yah, I l know.


Dam all of yall gonna jump me!!! Lol!!

nobody should jump you. MJ is about patience and quality. and he'll always have a fanbase, fans may go, but others do come. and many return. it's hard to excape quality. i prefer it to the fast moving ish i hear on the radio. nobody is patient there, and more often than not, you hear the results. as far as these rereleases, i'm sure they are sony's idea, and not MJ's.

[jayjackson]

I think we should be happy that we can get this extra album, I mean, no doubt we're gonna get a new album also :yes: But just look at this as a gift to the fans. Im looking forward to see their work, in case its true.

[Silouette]

nobody should jump you. MJ is about patience and quality. and he'll always have a fanbase, fans may go, but others do come. and many return. it's hard to excape quality. i prefer it to the fast moving ish i hear on the radio. nobody is patient there, and more often than not, you hear the results. as far as these rereleases, i'm sure they are sony's idea, and not MJ's.

You're right. Thanks Vince.

And I'm sure, as well.

[vstreet]

Yeah, let's take a bunch of flash in the pan crappy artists of today and have them remake Mike's Great songs. Sounds like a wonderful idea.

Great way to make money. Good Idea PH-ony! Keep up the good work. We can always count on you to keep rereleasing the old albums over and over and over again. And we'll keep buying them. Here's to YESTERYEAR!!

... I'm not touching another PHony rerelease. they can rerelease the hell out of every album. I do not care to support the fat cats on Wall St. Sorry.

Mike, you'll always have my support.

My advice to all the fans: The day you stop buying these rereleases will be the day PHONY finally gives Mike back his masters. Quit buying the rereleases. If you want anothe copy of OTW, buy the original. Don't buy the rerelease. We don't need another Akon remake of ANY Mike song, EVER. We don't need technofied Justin singing Mike's songs either.

[qbee]

I think its an awesome idea it Will open these classics
up to a new generation _ and strengthen Michaels fan base

Its a wise decision on MJ's part regardless of your personal preference
in other artists - the originals will still be intact and the other artists will
be introducing MJ music to their fan base and gain more fans for MJ _
The young uns need to be Michaelized :LOL: and understand that he is
respected by these artists -

IT's ALL GOOD :) no reason to complain
I would love to see "Off The Wall" brought to the forfront again for this generation

[Moonwalkman]

I definitely don't have no problem of waitin' for the new album, and ecspecailly when he is tryin' to make a big comeback for us. That does take patients to do. I'll just be happy for OTW 30 CD, just like Thriller 25.:)

[michaelsson]

smh smh smh smh

[Dri]

Michael dont be part of this project!!Sony wants more money cuz they like of the Thriller's sucess!Michael is working on new album!He doesnt matter with OTW30...

[noa2]

The only good thing about this is that it reminds everyone how good Michael and his versions really are.
It worked with Thriller25. It showed that you can't do these any better.

[TialovesMJ]

Rihanna???lol

[lilsusie]

Child please. You dont know me AT ALL! I'm the last person to make excuses for MJ or anybody else for that matter.

What does it matter that JT or whomever is on the next CD?
Why dont you just wash your hands of MJ NOW then??

replying to your question
because i find jt disgustin.
i will.

[TomV87]

Mark Ronson said today that Amy is gonna do a track with Quincy, could be to do with this?

[troubleman84]

Yeah, let's take a bunch of flash in the pan crappy artists of today and have them remake Mike's Great songs. Sounds like a wonderful idea.

Great way to make money. Good Idea PH-ony! Keep up the good work. We can always count on you to keep rereleasing the old albums over and over and over again. And we'll keep buying them. Here's to YESTERYEAR!!

... I'm not touching another PHony rerelease. they can rerelease the hell out of every album. I do not care to support the fat cats on Wall St. Sorry.

Mike, you'll always have my support.

My advice to all the fans: The day you stop buying these rereleases will be the day PHONY finally gives Mike back his masters. Quit buying the rereleases. If you want anothe copy of OTW, buy the original. Don't buy the rerelease. We don't need another Akon remake of ANY Mike song, EVER. We don't need technofied Justin singing Mike's songs either.

:kickass: :kickass: :kickass:

This came from another fan board so I don't know if I believe this anyway...

[Silouette]

Mark Ronson said today that Amy is gonna do a track with Quincy, could be to do with this?

Hmmmm. Could be.

[DuranDuran]

Rihanna???lol
http://i43.tinypic.com/24dnhq8.jpg

[TialovesMJ]

yup that is rihanna!!

[arXter]

Mark Ronson said today that Amy is gonna do a track with Quincy, could be to do with this?
no that was announced long before, for Q's tribute album.

[Silouette]

Oh really? I must have misssed that bit. Thanks.

[Birchey]

Yeah, let's take a bunch of flash in the pan crappy artists of today and have them remake Mike's Great songs. Sounds like a wonderful idea.

Great way to make money. Good Idea PH-ony! Keep up the good work. We can always count on you to keep rereleasing the old albums over and over and over again. And we'll keep buying them. Here's to YESTERYEAR!!

... I'm not touching another PHony rerelease. they can rerelease the hell out of every album. I do not care to support the fat cats on Wall St. Sorry.

Mike, you'll always have my support.

My advice to all the fans: The day you stop buying these rereleases will be the day PHONY finally gives Mike back his masters. Quit buying the rereleases. If you want anothe copy of OTW, buy the original. Don't buy the rerelease. We don't need another Akon remake of ANY Mike song, EVER. We don't need technofied Justin singing Mike's songs either.

That is utter nonsense LOL

Flash in a pan artists???

Which of the below artists are flash in a pan?
Justin Timberlake
Rhianna
Jay-z
Amy Winehouse

You know why we get rereleases?? It keeps the music fresh and makes money for Sony and for MICHAEL, seeing it on the new releases shelf again is good too! I am 100% for this project, and I am guessing Michael is too lol :p

[Hess]

to make money and nothing more seeing as mj isnt doing anything and god knows how long it will be b4 he does


How can you say MJ isn't doing anything? Hold My Hand is a new song, so sure he has made something.

Also other artists say he works in the studio. I think it's pretty obviously that he is working. But when it will come, noone but Mike knows!

[MJ Tempest]

:doh:

[SuperLee]

Has there been any kind of official statement regarding this project?

[athina_livadi]

I love Off The Wall!

[MoeJack]

Off the Wall 30 huh..that's pretty interesting. Any signs of a release date? I think off the wall is great, but I'm curious about how they're going to promote it. There doesn't seem to be much to say about it or many short films to advertise it with. thriller worked because it was the biggest selling album of all time and won 8 grammys etc etc.. and everybody knows of it and of billie jean, beat it, thriller, and the ground breaking short films and photos. But I feel that Off the Wall is really void of all of those things, but it is where the magic began so I wouldn't mind an OTW30 album but like someone said..if they do it for Off the Wall and Thriller..they might as well do it for Bad and Dangerous and probably his other albums as well. A dangerous 20th anniversary edition in the style of Thriller25 would be soo awesome because it's so rich in content, musically, visually with short films and photoshoots, and world tour, and yea..anyway..

[DancingToTheEternity]

I dont like Amy Winehouse :S

[Foxy..]

Too many people complaining, someone saying they are done with Mike if Justin does OTW30.. Ironic their screen name is about loving Michael forever.. Kids eh.

[troubleman84]

Too many people complaining, someone saying they are done with Mike if Justin does OTW30.. Ironic their screen name is about loving Michael forever.. Kids eh.

The irony, huh? :lol:

[KJ777]

Obviously going to be marketed towards the younger music buyers...wonder if original tracks will be included as they were on Thriller 25 for comparison? Anyway, people have a choice to buy or don't buy...do as you wish.

[Eterna.]

Well they are better artist then the ones on t25 in my opinion:)

[Korgnex]

There must be a reason for this.
I mean other than the fact that it's the 30th anniversary of OTW.

No, this is the only reason. Re-releasing a cult album with some new stuff for today's generation DOES EARN GOOD MONEY...

[ds8989]

wtf all want new album and all didn't want OTW 30
pleas michael release new album in this year all want!

[big DB]

Off the Wall is arguably one of Michaels best albums, Id love to see a special edition of it, the album deserves to be given the tribute! it was the album that showed the world how he could really stand on his own two feet!


However, if this project goes ahead, I think its time to move past the rehashed albums.

[ds8989]

Off the Wall is arguably one of Michaels best albums, Id love to see a special edition of it, the album deserves to be given the tribute! it was the album that showed the world how he could really stand on his own two feet!


However, if this project goes ahead, I think its time to move past the rehashed albums.

if all the albums will be reissued then we will never get the new album
michael must release new album this year but if it was not released then I think he is unlikely to go

[big DB]

who says all the albums are being reissued, listen Thriller and off the wall are special albums, Im not saying the others arent but these hold dear in many fans hearts, one being the biggest album of all time, the other being most MJ fans favourite as well as all the aspiring singers, musicians who grew up on Michaels music.


Who knows about the new album but why not release this while we wait :D

[ds8989]

who says all the albums are being reissued, listen Thriller and off the wall are special albums, Im not saying the others arent but these hold dear in many fans hearts, one being the biggest album of all time, the other being most MJ fans favourite as well as all the aspiring singers, musicians who grew up on Michaels music.


Who knows about the new album but why not release this while we wait :D

Do not you see it in the past year, all trying to release a new album in the same and all of these re-emerge hinder new album

[big DB]

how did it hinder it? Thriller 25 came out a year ago, in the 11 months that followed, what stopped a new album coming out? Michael is the only one that can do that, if it hasnt been released, its obviously not ready.

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

Unless there's unreleased tracks on it, it's not worth buying.

[vstreet]

That is utter nonsense LOL

Flash in a pan artists???

Which of the below artists are flash in a pan?
Justin Timberlake
Rhianna
Jay-z
Amy Winehouse

You know why we get rereleases?? It keeps the music fresh and makes money for Sony and for MICHAEL, seeing it on the new releases shelf again is good too! I am 100% for this project, and I am guessing Michael is too lol :p

ALL OF THE ABOVE. And history will prove me right because NONE Of them will be around 10 years from now cause they ain't worth ISH. Their music is easily forgotten and will soon be eclipsed by the next flash-in-the-pan [insert name here] that will hit the scene shortly.

None of them should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Jax.


.... I remember having this same ridiculous argument with a someone back at the turn of the century over Ginuwine, Sisqo and some other forgettable artists of that era. DEJA VU.

[sadio]

Yeah, let's take a bunch of flash in the pan crappy artists of today and have them remake Mike's Great songs. Sounds like a wonderful idea.

.

Yeah... JT and Jay-Z are flash in the pan artists.... yet both of them have been around successfully for around/amost 10 years now.

[troubleman84]

ALL OF THE ABOVE. And history will prove me right because NONE Of them will be around 10 years from now cause they ain't worth ISH. Their music is easily forgotten and will soon be eclipsed by the next flash-in-the-pan [insert name here] that will hit the scene shortly.

None of them should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Jax.


.... I remember having this same ridiculous argument with a someone back at the turn of the century over Ginuwine, Sisqo and some other forgettable artists of that era. DEJA VU.

Deja vu indeed. Damn, Teena Marie was ahead of her time ("I've been here before!") :lol:

[vstreet]

Yeah... JT and Jay-Z are flash in the pan artists.... yet both of them have been around successfully for around/amost 10 years now.


Uh, yeah, lots believed the Spice Girls would be all the rage for many decades to come back in 1996. As you can see...they might still be around, but they ain't all that.

I'm sure the fans of Siouxie and the Banshees, House of Pain, Digable Planets, Green Jelly, 69 Boyz, Skee-Lo, Mandy Moore, Aaron Carter, 98 Degrees, Nsync, etc. all felt the same way about their artists back in the day.

Like I said -- 10 years from now ...these folks are HIStory. No staying power at all.

[vstreet]

Deja vu indeed. Damn, Teena Marie was ahead of her time ("I've been here before!") :lol:


:yes:



Let's not forget NSYNC and NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK --- around, but not even a shadow of what they were. Who woulda thought??


I think I'm gonna go remake Nat King Cole's classic UNFORGETTABLE. Except, this will be the remix:

You're FORGETTABLE. IN EVERY WAY....
{Natalie Cole will sing duet}

THIS IS Dedicated to ALL those flash in the pan has beens who ain't got the long lasting careers of legends like Mike.

[Birchey]

ALL OF THE ABOVE. And history will prove me right because NONE Of them will be around 10 years from now cause they ain't worth ISH. Their music is easily forgotten and will soon be eclipsed by the next flash-in-the-pan [insert name here] that will hit the scene shortly.

None of them should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Mike Jax.


.... I remember having this same ridiculous argument with a someone back at the turn of the century over Ginuwine, Sisqo and some other forgettable artists of that era. DEJA VU.

mmmmmmmm Lets see who knows about music..........

As You Say All these will be forgotten in 10 years

Justin Timberlake - Career started 11 YEARS AGO in a pop band, went solo with a more mature sound, it worked, number 1 album & various singles

Jay-Z - Carrer started in 13 YEARS AGO, Former CEO of Def Jam and Roc-a-Fella Recordings, Sold over 26 million units, and has had countless hits

Rhianna - Fairly young, new to the scene, but has made an impact and worked with some top people in her time at the top of the charts, plus Michael likes her music :)

Amy Winehouse - Crack-head, Junkie Etc................Well people keep buying her music???

Anyway If Michael chooses these people to work with him then he does, you can't change that in a million years by having a moan on an mj board, best to stick with Michaels decisions that way you always win the argument :)

[troubleman84]

:yes:



Let's not forget NSYNC and NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK --- around, but not even a shadow of what they were. Who woulda thought??


I think I'm gonna go remake Nat King Cole's classic UNFORGETTABLE. Except, this will be the remix:

You're FORGETTABLE. IN EVERY WAY....
{Natalie Cole will sing duet}

THIS IS Dedicated to ALL those flash in the pan has beens who ain't got the long lasting careers of legends like Mike.

:rofl: :kickass:

But yeah, you're definitely right. I think Justin and Jay would last - as celebrity tabloid figures. :lol: HOV! LMAO! Technically Jay is really the one that has survived as long as he has. We just gotta see how this thing develops with this re-release.

They might not even be on it anyways.

[daphnieas]

What's with all the hate towards these people...? don´t like them? fine fair enough, move on and don't buy the album when it comes out.
It's one thing to express your opinion of dislike and quite another one to troll.

[pianoman04]

mmmmmmmm Lets see who knows about music..........

All these will be forgotten in 10 years

Justin Timberlake - Career started 11 YEARS AGO in a pop band, went solo with a more mature sound, it worked, number 1 album & various singles

Jay-Z - Carrer started in 13 YEARS AGO, Former CEO of Def Jam and Roc-a-Fella Recordings, Sold over 26 million units, and has had countless hits

Rhianna - Fairly young, new to the scene, but has made an impact and worked with some top people in her time at the top of the charts, plus Michael likes her music :)

Amy Winehouse - Crack-head, Junkie Etc................Well people keep buying her music???

Anyway If Michael chooses these people to work with him then he does, you can't change that in a million years by having a moan on an mj board, best to stick with Michaels decisions that way you always win the argument :)

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[Birchey]

I have a key point to add, right we all know the 2001 special editions were released then Invincible yeah, well check this for a thought

Feb 2008 Thriller 25 is released
May 2008 Hold My Hand is leaked, Now Akon said it was meant to be on MJ's new album but was scrapped after the leak, he also mentioned that Michael waits for the right time to release an album

Now we might get Off The Wall 30.................I don't wanna seem a bit ahead but it could, be a good time to release no?

[Birchey]

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Edit Edit Edit lol

Seems some people still dont see the truth of music at the moment, anything modern is always flash in the pan

[DuranDuran]

No, this is the only reason. Re-releasing a cult album with some new stuff for today's generation DOES EARN GOOD MONEY...
"Off The Wall" doesn't qualify as a cult album, that would be more like a Sex Pistols record.

[MJsPYT1]

soooooooooooooo, as this is one of my two fave albums (along with thriller) I personally won't listen to any remixes, though I'll probably buy it. I don't wanna hear anyone re-do these songs!!!!
BUT
They should TOTALLY put something unreleased or a demo from the otw era, and then I will weep with sheer and utter JOY :girl_weeping:

[Mystic]

Awesome.

But find better artists. Well, the first 3 can stay. Amy needs to get replaced.
Bring back Will or Akon, or bring in someone like Lionel or Tina Turner.

[troubleman84]

"Off The Wall" doesn't qualify as a cult album, that would be more like a Sex Pistols record.

OFF THE WALL sold fifteen million worldwide and seven million here in the states. It ain't "cult". It was the biggest sales a black act had ever seen before "Thriller".

[sadio]

Technically aren't flash in the plan artists.... artists who come and go very quickly? Unless you consider hanging around for 10 years.... going away very quickly?

Either way, a new take/spin on a classic will be interesting to say the least.... will it be good? Will it be bad? Who knows? Only time will tell.

[arXter]

Off The Wall is "cult", if we're going by the accepted definition.

in terms of a specific crowd (or "following"), you've the 'nu'-soul, hip-hop-soul underground generation et al, and i'd put my money on Off The Wall being at the top of most heads' MJ albums there. it resonates with so many like-minded cats moreso than Thriller.

in fact even in the fan community it seems like both Dangerous and OTW are the more popular.

[browneyedgirl]

lol, can't we just leave OTW alone? I mean, is this really necessary? :bugeyed

[Marni]

Thanks for the info. :) I wonder if this would really happen though :unsure:

[vstreet]

What's with all the hate towards these people...? don´t like them? fine fair enough, move on and don't buy the album when it comes out.
It's one thing to express your opinion of dislike and quite another one to troll.


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Seems some people still dont see the truth of music at the moment, anything modern is always flash in the pan


Far from a troll.

And no, modern music is not flash in the pan, but Crackerjack artists manufactured by the sausage industry are!

And that's not talking all that jazz. i've been in tv for 15 years and my friends on the music side (i got two of em working for me right now) have seen the music industry MELT DOWN right before their very eyes. You think the housing collapse was bad? The music biz collapsed a while back. That's cause the content is pure trash. Notice all the big record companies living in the past? Rereleasing greatest hits from all the superstars of yesteryear? And they still can't make money. You know why? Cause none of the "new" artists GOT anything any of us want 5-10 - 15 - 20 years after it's released. Hell, you can't rerelease junk that was on the radio from last year.

The shelf life of the junk on the radio these days is like 28 days. At best you hear about it again at the awards shows when they rehash all the ISH that really didn't do all that great, but they act like it did.

And that's not really the artist's fault. It's the record producers who don't want to be in the business forever (cause it really doesn't pay all too well esp when you got to recoup before you get any money). Great record producers get in and get out. Or they go work on a real artist's records and quit working for peanuts on the flash in the pan artists.

You can live in denial all you want, the music biz as "we" knew it is DEAD. And so are the artists who have NO shelf life (outside of their tabloid scandals).


PS - OTW is great. Mike is great. The other artists are not. I already got OTW. We don't need another rerelease. We need NEW CONTENT. CONTENT IS KING.

[mj_brainiac]

I think it's going to be a pointless release

Do they actually think people WANT that? Yes, I would love to see a 30th anniversary edition of Off The Wall, but I think THIS treatment is not the way to go. Fans don't want it, and although I know they're trying to sell it to a younger generation, it's going to be lost amongst hardcore MJ fans AND true music lovers.

They could easily released make a deluxe edition with
-The original album
-bonus tracks like alternate takes, unreleased songs, demos, and live recordings
-a DVD of live performances from the the time period

if they're gonna make new mixes, get some CREDIBLE producers like DJ Spinna who did the extended mix of We're Almost There, ?uestlove, Salaam Remi, and Prince Paul who worked on the deluxe edition of Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear. Instead of making forgettable remixes like they did on Thriller 25, make some mixes that could be seen as COMPANIONS to the original versions

[144,000]

I think it's going to be a pointless release

Do they actually think people WANT that? Yes, I would love to see a 30th anniversary edition of Off The Wall, but I think THIS treatment is not the way to go. Fans don't want it, and although I know they're trying to sell it to a younger generation, it's going to be lost amongst hardcore MJ fans AND true music lovers.

They could easily released make a deluxe edition with
-The original album
-bonus tracks like alternate takes, unreleased songs, demos, and live recordings
-a DVD of live performances from the the time period

if they're gonna make new mixes, get some CREDIBLE producers like DJ Spinna who did the extended mix of We're Almost There, ?uestlove, Salaam Remi, and Prince Paul who worked on the deluxe edition of Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear. Instead of making forgettable remixes like they did on Thriller 25, make some mixes that could be seen as COMPANIONS to the original versions


lol..well MJ was involved with t25 and it sold well. still, we never know. this might work.

[8701girl]

[quote=mj_brainiac;1779954]I think it's going to be a pointless release


Sadly i agree

[BruceWayne]

I would like to hear Justin Timberlake do a rework of "DSTYGE" since his song Like I Love You is like a 21 century version of DSTYGE.
There's studio footage of Justin even saying that it's like the 21st century version of it.

Listen to the guitar in the beginning, it got the same rhythm and notes as the rhodes in the beginning of DSTYGE. And the reeeally low "tom drums" is there also.

Like, it would be interesting to hear DSTYGE arranged with the same instruments as he used on LILY.

But f##k Rihanna, I don't even understand the fascination with her, she don't even have a _good_ voice. Her voice is just _special_, not good.
Listen to "unfaithful", she sounds like a strangled crow.

EDIT: However, I must say that I kind of agree with you all that think this whole cover album is a stupid idea.
Why? Because it's ALL ABOUT MONEY.

EDIT 2: Shieeet, anything is possible though.
When I/we got confirmed that T-Pain is even in the presence of MJ, that shit broke my heart for real. Like why? What is he doing with MJ? Is he cleaning MJ's cars or something?

[mj_brainiac]

lol..well MJ was involved with t25 and it sold well. still, we never know. this might work.
it's because of 2 things:
It was well promoted and Thriller will ALWAYS be a great album

and

It's Michael Jackson! of course it's gonna sell units :lol:

Think about. Who bought Thriller 25 for the remixes?






go ahead, I'll wait :lol:

[big DB]

not worth it....EDIT!

[mj_brainiac]

not worth it....EDIT!
What's your opinion on this?

[144,000]

it's because of 2 things:
It was well promoted and Thriller will ALWAYS be a great album

and

It's Michael Jackson! of course it's gonna sell units :lol:

Think about. Who bought Thriller 25 for the remixes?






go ahead, I'll wait :lol:


it's a moot point, cus the operative word is 'kaching'. and..how do you know who actually bought it? were you at every counter?:D :lol:

as far as being well promoted, that really doesn't make a difference for Michael, cus he's Michael. Invincible sold well, despite poor sony promotion. as both carson daly and MJ pointed out in that virgin megastore interview, Invicible came out as the number 1 album all over the world.

[mj_brainiac]

it's a moot point, cus the operative word is 'kaching'. and..how do you know who actually bought it? were you at every counter?:D :lol:

as far as being well promoted, that really doesn't make a difference for Michael, cus he's Michael. Invincible sold well, despite poor sony promotion. as both carson daly and MJ pointed out in that virgin megastore interview, Invicible came out as the number 1 album all over the world.
You right, but from who I know who bought it (who aren't hardcore fans), the remixes WERE NOT the selling point

Thriller 25 was going to sell regardless, the remixes were just there :lol:

It seems like they're taking the formula they used for Thriller 25 and using it again for Off The Wall....and it's just not a good look

[Mystic]

it's because of 2 things:
It was well promoted and Thriller will ALWAYS be a great album

and

It's Michael Jackson! of course it's gonna sell units :lol:

Think about. Who bought Thriller 25 for the remixes?






go ahead, I'll wait :lol:
Me. And I guarantee lots of people.

[troubleman84]

How do we even know they're going to be on it? It ain't even confirmed. :lol:

[144,000]

How do we even know they're going to be on it? It ain't even confirmed. :lol:

that's right. we're just commisserating until an official confirmation that it ain't happenin, comes up and shuts us up. otherwise..we'll keep commiserating. lol :lol:

if i misspelled that, so what. lol

[helena22]

If his new album drops this year or early next year, I know I'd be happy with this OTW 30th anniversary release. Otherwise, I wouldn't be excited nor angry.

One thing I can say about the list...it's more for name value. Personally I would love to have a rearranged, reinterpreted OTW tribute album, you know, kind of a collection of nice rendition. Something that does the original justice to the fullest. Those artists ain't the ones who can do that.

[mj_brainiac]

If his new album drops this year or early next year, I know I'd be happy with this OTW 30th anniversary release. Otherwise, I wouldn't be excited nor angry.

One thing I can say about the list...it's more for name value. Personally I would love to have a rearranged, reinterpreted OTW tribute album, you know, kind of a collection of nice rendition. Something that does the original justice to the fullest. Those artists ain't the ones who can do that.
If they said "Let's take Off The Wall and do a 'reimagination' of the original album" with new alternate mixes of the album and unreleased tracks from the original sessions like how Motown re-released Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear and In Our Lifetime? albums, that would be a complete eargasm:wild:

Rock With You and I Can't Help It with additional ad-libs....:dancin:

[mj_brainiac]

Me. And I guarantee lots of people.
I'm sorry to hear that...


:lol: just kidding. I just think people bought Thriller 25 because of the original album moreso than the remixes. The only ones worth anything were Will i Am's remixes. Fergie's remix was weak as was Kanye's. I don't consider Wanna Be Startin' Somethin 2008 a remix since Akon sang 90% of the song

[helena22]

If they said "Let's take Off The Wall and do a 'reimagination' of the original album" with new alternate mixes of the album and unreleased tracks from the original sessions like how Motown re-released Marvin Gaye's Here My Dear and In Our Lifetime? albums, that would be a complete eargasm:wild:

Rock With You and I Can't Help It with additional ad-libs....:dancin:
:yes: That would be fantastic. Haha eargasm:punk:

[Adibobea9]

I remember when Michael released the Special Editions of his albums around the same time as Invincible. Then we got Thriller 25 which was supposed to set us up for the new album. Now we are getting OTW 30 to get us excited for the new album. This is a complete joke; he should focus on the new albums rather than rereleasing his old material every few years.

If he wants to appease the fans while we wait, then he should release b-sides or the Bad concert on DVD. If not, I will just download the tracks for free until he finally gets a clue and puts out new stuff…

[troubleman84]

I doubt the re-releases are to hype up the album, first off, I always take "new album news" with grains of salt, second off, we know Sony ain't gonna do what the fans required despite them telling us to voice our opinion on later releases that we know ain't coming. :lol: And third off, if BAD comes out with a 25th anniversary edition in three years, then where does this "new album" fit in? :lol: I'm just saying. Re-releases shouldn't hype you for the album when we just don't know what's up, lol.

[mjdatabank]

T25 was not supposed to set us up for the new album.
Right now, the new album is not on the top list.
I think as far as music goes, OTW 30 will be the main thing for 2009.
Michael wants to score in movies. Hopefully he will make it.

[davidbow1e]

Lets just say this, I've been waiting patiently with the "new album news" since 2006, and if 2009 turns out to be an "Off the Wall 30" year, then i'm done with waiting for MJ. I check this forum every day for news and I hear new news on the album constantly, and am hoping that signals the arrival of it this year. But if I at least don't have a release date or new single from him this year, then i'll just move on to more reliable artists like Bon Jovi, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, and U2. They take at least 2 years and there's concrete news. Now the OTW30 isnt a bad idea, its just we had T25 and thats the big important album people wanted to buy. Half the general public could care less about OTW, it only spawned a couple radio hits vs Thriller's 6 or 7 top 20 singles.

[damien shields]

T25 was not supposed to set us up for the new album.
Right now, the new album is not on the top list.
I think as far as music goes, OTW 30 will be the main thing for 2009.
Michael wants to score in movies. Hopefully he will make it.

lol, that is clearly a stab in the dark.

[Dangerous1991]

JayZ, Sweet.

[Foxy..]

if 2009 turns out to be an "Off the Wall 30" year, then i'm done with waiting for MJ.

Bye then, no one cares.

If you ain't guna wait for MJ, go turn on the radio and make do with what you hear coming from it, I hope you are satisfied with what you hear because that is as good as it gets until Mike his the airwaves again.

Pssht, this is like being on an anti-mike site sometimes. Just shut it if you havn't got anything decent to say.

GAH, im off to play in the snow to take out my frustration.

[troubleman84]

T25 was not supposed to set us up for the new album.
Right now, the new album is not on the top list.
I think as far as music goes, OTW 30 will be the main thing for 2009.
Michael wants to score in movies. Hopefully he will make it.

Mike wants to be a father, lol. I'm sure if he was scoring in films, he'd do it but nah the film industry needs to straighten itself out before Michael puts his imprint in it, that's if he ever does, lol.

[IMWhizzle]

And when will this thing will be released?

[benedictee]

omg. looking forward too here it ;)

[benscarr]

I think the Off The Wall album deserves a 30th Anniversary release. But not with re-recorded tracks by other artists. That's cheating fans, because I would never by a single or album by Amy Winehouse, Jay Z, Rihanna or Justin Timberlake. I hope this is nothing more than a rumour. If it turns out to be true I may not by the 30th Anniversary edition.

I think a 30th Anniversary edition of Off The Wall should have a couple more demos of songs, some unreleased songs and the original unreleased uptempo version of Rock With You.

[Telha]

AMY WINEHOUSE roxxxx

[Screamin]

i wanna hear t pain add his touch to some old classics like rock wit u

[Moonwalkman]

U know what, I wonder if it will have bonus songs on there, but probably be just for Japan releases.

[billyjean1]

Off The Wall is special to so many people, ask any celebrity they have this in their collection.

Looking forward to it, my all time fav album

[elusive moonwalker]

How can you say MJ isn't doing anything? Hold My Hand is a new song, so sure he has made something

i ment not doing anything interms of the new album release.we know hes been in the studio the question is when/if any of it sees the light of day.

and mikes been going on about the movies for the last 20 years. it aint gonna happen. stick to what u are good at

[noa2]

Ok isn't it enough that Akon, Will I Am and Ne-Yo talk about Michael in ever god damn interview so now we gonna hear Timberlake, Rihanna, JAY-Z and Amy Winehouse talk about him as well.

[troubleman84]

And when will this thing will be released?

No date has been posted as of yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it's shelved altogether since it was difficult to pinpoint whether Jay-Z, Justin, Amy and Rihanna actually did record MJ songs or not...

[xrisx]

I'm kind of dissappointed if this is true.. OTW is my favorite album, and hearing that other singers are supposed to make this new release interesting just doesn't do it for me.
I would much rather hear unreleased songs or other stuff like that.
Why does he all of a sudden need other artists singing his songs? First Thriller now this.


..Sad truth is I'll probably be buying it anyway,just because I would be happy to see something new from him in the stores ..

Edit: You know what, I'm gonna give this the benefit off the doubt. Maybe it will turn out to have great renditions of the songs.

[arXter]

Ok isn't it enough that Akon, Will I Am and Ne-Yo talk about Michael in ever god damn interview so now we gonna hear Timberlake, Rihanna, JAY-Z and Amy Winehouse talk about him as well.
the horror!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/606/2/refresh/images/smileys/f_erm.gif

.. only in MJ land.

[Sifa_Dias]

Ok isn't it enough that Akon, Will I Am and Ne-Yo talk about Michael in ever god damn interview so now we gonna hear Timberlake, Rihanna, JAY-Z and Amy Winehouse talk about him as well.

No I don't think it's enough. Don't people see? The more big names are talking about Michael, the more people are being warmed up to hearing about him again. He's been out of the public eye for quite a while, professionally, the only thing that's pretty much been out there is all the gossip stuff. This will put Michael Jackson the artist back in people's minds. This is PR at work.

And like with Thriller 25, currently relevant artists will put their touch on the songs, and yes that might include T-pain or whatever. Try to remember that the album is not coming out for us die hard fans, but for the music buying public in general. If you would let us fans put together the album we'd get something that's great, huge, and it will probably do horrible in today's industry. Accept it or not, good exposure right now means marketing to the biggest common denominator, which is the popular artist, club hit buying audience, the people that play T-pain, Chris Brown, Timberlake, etc. etc. I think it will also include remastered original tracks, for the people that know them and grew up with them. It will be a similar concept to Thriller 25.

If they are planning to release a new MJ album, they people need to be warmed up to him first, you don't just drop an album out of the cold, without some anticipation build up and exposure, Michael has never done it like that.

When Michael did Thriller he mixed older known styles with new popular music, to appeal to the largest possible audience. This is called knowing how to sell, know an audience. It's marketing. This is not very different. I think any MJ development like this is an positive one.

[The One.]

I hope that this isn't true. I really don't want Off The Wall 30th anniversary album. If they do an Off The Wall 30 album then they'll have to do a Bad 25 album in 2012, a Dangerous 15 album in 2010, a HIStory 15 album in 2010, and an Invincible 10 album in 2011 to make things fair.

Yeah.. that's why I'm not so excited about this OTW 30 thing.. everything is just going to be re-releases.

[Hess]

i ment not doing anything interms of the new album release.we know hes been in the studio the question is when/if any of it sees the light of day.

and mikes been going on about the movies for the last 20 years. it aint gonna happen. stick to what u are good at


Ah ok. Yeah the movie thing ain't ever gonna happen.

The movie The island girsl (or what it was called) was terrible!

[troubleman84]

^^ Ain't no movies coming out. :lol:

[mj_brainiac]

No I don't think it's enough. Don't people see? The more big names are talking about Michael, the more people are being warmed up to hearing about him again. He's been out of the public eye for quite a while, professionally, the only thing that's pretty much been out there is all the gossip stuff. This will put Michael Jackson the artist back in people's minds. This is PR at work.

And like with Thriller 25, currently relevant artists will put their touch on the songs, and yes that might include T-pain or whatever. Try to remember that the album is not coming out for us die hard fans, but for the music buying public in general. If you would let us fans put together the album we'd get something that's great, huge, and it will probably do horrible in today's industry. Accept it or not, good exposure right now means marketing to the biggest common denominator, which is the popular artist, club hit buying audience, the people that play T-pain, Chris Brown, Timberlake, etc. etc. I think it will also include remastered original tracks, for the people that know them and grew up with them. It will be a similar concept to Thriller 25.

If they are planning to release a new MJ album, they people need to be warmed up to him first, you don't just drop an album out of the cold, without some anticipation build up and exposure, Michael has never done it like that.

When Michael did Thriller he mixed older known styles with new popular music, to appeal to the largest possible audience. This is called knowing how to sell, know an audience. It's marketing. This is not very different. I think any MJ development like this is an positive one.

I disagree with some of your points. In the climate that the music industry is in,older established artists such as Michael rely on the fanbases more than the casual listeners ESPECIALLY when you're releasing a deluxe edition of an album that came out in 1979. The main people who will be buying this are going to be the fans

If they want to release new renditions, release the original 5 Off The Wall singles on iTunes with the new versions as bonus tracks to them. Don't include them on the final set

[SIDEWALK]

No I don't think it's enough. Don't people see? The more big names are talking about Michael, the more people are being warmed up to hearing about him again. He's been out of the public eye for quite a while, professionally, the only thing that's pretty much been out there is all the gossip stuff. This will put Michael Jackson the artist back in people's minds. This is PR at work.

And like with Thriller 25, currently relevant artists will put their touch on the songs, and yes that might include T-pain or whatever. Try to remember that the album is not coming out for us die hard fans, but for the music buying public in general. If you would let us fans put together the album we'd get something that's great, huge, and it will probably do horrible in today's industry. Accept it or not, good exposure right now means marketing to the biggest common denominator, which is the popular artist, club hit buying audience, the people that play T-pain, Chris Brown, Timberlake, etc. etc. I think it will also include remastered original tracks, for the people that know them and grew up with them. It will be a similar concept to Thriller 25.

If they are planning to release a new MJ album, they people need to be warmed up to him first, you don't just drop an album out of the cold, without some anticipation build up and exposure, Michael has never done it like that.

When Michael did Thriller he mixed older known styles with new popular music, to appeal to the largest possible audience. This is called knowing how to sell, know an audience. It's marketing. This is not very different. I think any MJ development like this is an positive one.

Great Post! :)

[DuranDuran]

^^ Ain't no movies coming out. :lol:
http://richmondthenandnow.com/Images/Famous-People/Poe-Edgar-Allen.jpg :tease:

[troubleman84]

http://richmondthenandnow.com/Images/Famous-People/Poe-Edgar-Allen.jpg :tease:

Man he ain't doing that dude. I don't know why people bought that rumor back in the '90s. :rollin:

[mjdatabank]

His heart is in movies.

NOBODY knows what will happen next.
But he is done with tours, he over-said it so many times, and all factual elements show that he sticks to that.

Album = Tour, don't forget that.

So : we will all see...

[troubleman84]

^^ I still think he's bluffing and I say that with kindness. :lol: His heart still remains in music, he's just trying to bide up for lost time. He keep on saying that "I'm tired of making music" thing, well where are his film scores? LOL Like I said, he better wait until the film industry's guild parties get themselves straight before thinking filming is his next meal ticket. :P

[Hess]

He will make an album and he will tour, if not a huge tour then a small one!

He haven't seen the last of him.

[elusive moonwalker]

NOBODY knows what will happen next.
But he is done with tours, he over-said it so many times, and all factual elements show that he sticks to that.

so thomes statement was a lie? and mj said he was done with touring after the bad tour. yeah he defo sticks to it lol

[Ágnes]

The movie The island girsl (or what it was called) was terrible!

yeah that was::doh::
it was on sale here for 1 USD :lol:

[mjdatabank]

so thomes statement was a lie? and mj said he was done with touring after the bad tour. yeah he defo sticks to it lol

he said he didn't like tours in PHM and also in the Ebony interview (he does not want to end like James Brown on stage etc....). Just two examples when he mentioned that (and that was sure after the Bad tour).

I agree with the fact that in the end he used to always come with new music, but this time it looks different : nothing new since 2005.

Again, noone knows, neither me nor you.

I just hope he will create Art the way he wants it, and when he wants it.

[Sifa_Dias]

I disagree with some of your points. In the climate that the music industry is in,older established artists such as Michael rely on the fanbases more than the casual listeners ESPECIALLY when you're releasing a deluxe edition of an album that came out in 1979. The main people who will be buying this are going to be the fans

If they want to release new renditions, release the original 5 Off The Wall singles on iTunes with the new versions as bonus tracks to them. Don't include them on the final set

Thanks for responding, always good to discuss something :)

I don't agree with you, and cite Madonna as an example. She has always changed to fit the current climate and styles, and she has been succesful at it. My point is that these artist can always get new fans, besides retaining their old fan base. Also, older fans are still very much part of the current music climate, they're just more in the background.

Even though the album is old, it's still timeless. The newer versions will excite younger audiences, and spark airplay and club play, and they will be interested in the originals, so then it's perfect if they can get both on one album. Besides, i'm sure that the newer audiences are not foreign to Michael Jackson, he transcends era's.

I do agree with your Itunes approach, because digital is just the way to go in this time. BUT, I don't see why they have to be mutally exclusive. I say, put it both on Itunes and on the cd.

[troubleman84]

so thomes statement was a lie? and mj said he was done with touring after the bad tour. yeah he defo sticks to it lol

Thank you! :lol:

Sometimes, some of MJ's statements shouldn't be taken as gospel. :lol: Then again, even his own people you can't buy statements from unless they come to fruition. :lol:

We shall see indeed. :yes:

[DuranDuran]

His heart is in movies.
He's never done a movie or any sort of acting besides The Wiz (and that's a musical), unless you consider The Jacksons TV show "acting", lol. He was in MIB II maybe 2 minutes. Music videos aren't acting, and if he did do a movie it could only be Elvis style, basically playing himself. The general public isn't going to buy him as a killer, lover, drug addict, cowboy, boxer, etc. Maybe he can do voiceovers, but that's it.

[Birchey]

Why do all of mj's albums have to be for the fans huh?

If its more commercially successful its better to go with collaborations, some mj fans think Michael does this just to please us, not many people outside of the MJ community want to hear demos, they want something new, if people want to live in the past then they themselves do not respect MJ's goal in becoming a front runner again, in whining on an MJ board will do nothing, its pointless, why type it up, its almost instantly forgotten.

If Michael wishes to do this with HIS music, then he can, no one here has the right to say otherwise!

[Yeezy]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ANOTHER RE-RELEASE!!!
CANT WAIT!!!

Were so lucky.

[troubleman84]

He's never done a movie or any sort of acting besides The Wiz (and that's a musical), unless you consider The Jacksons TV show "acting", lol. He was in MIB II maybe 2 minutes. Music videos aren't acting, and if he did do a movie it could only be Elvis style, basically playing himself. The general public isn't going to buy him as a killer, lover, drug addict, cowboy, boxer, etc. Maybe he can do voiceovers, but that's it.

I think he wanted to direct movies. He didn't necessarily say he wanted to act. Nevertheless, I don't really think his heart is in it tho. I mean, where are the planned films? You hear more about the new album than you do any film, lol.

[SIDEWALK]

He's never done a movie or any sort of acting besides The Wiz (and that's a musical), unless you consider The Jacksons TV show "acting", lol. He was in MIB II maybe 2 minutes. Music videos aren't acting, and if he did do a movie it could only be Elvis style, basically playing himself. The general public isn't going to buy him as a killer, lover, drug addict, cowboy, boxer, etc. Maybe he can do voiceovers, but that's it.

What about Captain E.O?

[elusive moonwalker]

glorified music video.

[Adibobea9]

He's never done a movie or any sort of acting besides The Wiz (and that's a musical), unless you consider The Jacksons TV show "acting", lol. He was in MIB II maybe 2 minutes. Music videos aren't acting, and if he did do a movie it could only be Elvis style, basically playing himself. The general public isn't going to buy him as a killer, lover, drug addict, cowboy, boxer, etc. Maybe he can do voiceovers, but that's it.

I could see him as a killer or drug addict; in fact I would love to see him in such a role. The only problem is convincing the directors and film crew that he is capable of acting. The only thing he has done that sorta impressed me was the Mayor in Ghosts. However part of that was due to him being in makeup…

[elusive moonwalker]

Thank you! :lol:

Sometimes, some of MJ's statements shouldn't be taken as gospel. :lol: Then again, even his own people you can't buy statements from unless they come to fruition. :lol:

We shall see indeed. :yes:

of course you cant believe anything until it happens. frankly i hope mj and his ppl wouldnt b so stupid to put out that tour statement if there wasnt some truth in it. then again. this is mjs staf we are talking about and it was good pr against the health stories. btw what happened to the evidence that guy was gonna reveal still waiting:doh:

imo mj could only ever succeed in acting is if he were to do the full makeup and unless u knew it was mj u wouldnt be able to tell like in ghosts.

[mjdatabank]

there are many ways to be involved in films: acting, directing, producing, writing music score... you name it.

the album and album tours have been widely spread out by musicians and so-called spokepersons (who don't stay long in the end).

of course, there is no film title on the table.... just like no album title has been revealed in any threads or official website too.

And also: he hasn't been in films that much before: IMO, so far his filmography resides in his short-filmography.
and I'm totally open and anxious to discover what he may come up with in the long movie feature business.

[elusive moonwalker]

and so-called spokepersons (who don't stay long in the end).


is he not answering your calls?

[mj_brainiac]

Thanks for responding, always good to discuss something :)

I don't agree with you, and cite Madonna as an example. She has always changed to fit the current climate and styles, and she has been succesful at it. My point is that these artist can always get new fans, besides retaining their old fan base. Also, older fans are still very much part of the current music climate, they're just more in the background.

Even though the album is old, it's still timeless. The newer versions will excite younger audiences, and spark airplay and club play, and they will be interested in the originals, so then it's perfect if they can get both on one album. Besides, i'm sure that the newer audiences are not foreign to Michael Jackson, he transcends era's.

I do agree with your Itunes approach, because digital is just the way to go in this time. BUT, I don't see why they have to be mutally exclusive. I say, put it both on Itunes and on the cd.
I do agree with older acts adapting to new eras, but when you have an album that's already been released, seen as one of the greatest releases in R&B history, re-releasing it 30 years later with remixes/covers from artists as bonus tracks doesn't seem the right approach

If they wanted, they could've released a 2 volume CD release of remixes similar to the Jackson 5 Soul Source series, with remixes and new versions produced by popular and underground DJs and producers. Take the new Maroon 5 remix album for example

[troubleman84]

of course you cant believe anything until it happens. frankly i hope mj and his ppl wouldnt b so stupid to put out that tour statement if there wasnt some truth in it. then again. this is mjs staf we are talking about and it was good pr against the health stories. btw what happened to the evidence that guy was gonna reveal still waiting:doh:

imo mj could only ever succeed in acting is if he were to do the full makeup and unless u knew it was mj u wouldnt be able to tell like in ghosts.

That's why I don't get too much into it because you hardly hear about it after the announcements. It's like "is that it?" LOL

[elusive moonwalker]

That's why I don't get too much into it because you hardly hear about it after the announcements. It's like "is that it?" LOL

very true lol unfortunatly

[mj_brainiac]

Why do all of mj's albums have to be for the fans huh?

If its more commercially successful its better to go with collaborations, some mj fans think Michael does this just to please us, not many people outside of the MJ community want to hear demos, they want something new, if people want to live in the past then they themselves do not respect MJ's goal in becoming a front runner again, in whining on an MJ board will do nothing, its pointless, why type it up, its almost instantly forgotten.

If Michael wishes to do this with HIS music, then he can, no one here has the right to say otherwise!

I'll say it again.

It's a 30 YEAR OLD album that still sells pretty well for a back catalog release. A deluxe edition is going to be bought more by the fans than anybody else, especially in the case of Off The Wall

If the case is being commercially successful, release a remix album not take a classic and then tack on some forgettable remixes at the end like they did with Thriller

[DuranDuran]

What about Captain E.O?
That's not really any different than Thriller or Smooth Criminal, just a music video with a little dialogue added. Janet started out acting in Good Times and has acted in other TV shows. This was before she started making records. The other siblings only did music, and have no acting experience. I think he was kinda playing himself in The Wiz, so it's not much different than other "pop star" movies.

[Sifa_Dias]

I do agree with older acts adapting to new eras, but when you have an album that's already been released, seen as one of the greatest releases in R&B history, re-releasing it 30 years later with remixes/covers from artists as bonus tracks doesn't seem the right approach

If they wanted, they could've released a 2 volume CD release of remixes similar to the Jackson 5 Soul Source series, with remixes and new versions produced by popular and underground DJs and producers. Take the new Maroon 5 remix album for example

I guess we just don't agree on that part :) I don't think it matters if the album has been released already, it matters how you handle it now. Just look at Hollywood and how they CONSTANTLY re-releasing movies that have already been done (Friday the 13th, Batman, etc. etc.) They do it because it's successful. A lot of general people who are a little younger probably never actually bought Off the Wall, so this might be a good product for them. Thriller 25 did well, they probably take their cues from that too.

Besides, maybe only a few tracks will be redone, like with Thriller. If Michael is working on a new album, this isn't the focal point anyway, it's something that is coming up because of the anniversary and they want to do SOMETHING, but I'm guessing the main focus and efforts are towards an original release.

And I don't think Michael would really wanna go the underground remix kind of direction, he's more inclined to have big names do an alternate version of his songs. But that's just my idea, and I could very well be wrong here. :)

[144,000]

I could see him as a killer or drug addict; in fact I would love to see him in such a role. The only problem is convincing the directors and film crew that he is capable of acting. The only thing he has done that sorta impressed me was the Mayor in Ghosts. However part of that was due to him being in makeup…

well..that's the point. Heath Ledger used makeup in his most impressive role...the joker.

i think we really don't know what MIchael can do, as an actor, until he shows us. i don't think we ought to put the kabosh on the possibility that he can be an actor. it does take talent to act in a musical. and he was rather scary in ghosts. if he wants to be, i think he can be effective. makeup is the key. he's had plenty of practice in that. and the high tech world of hollywood could make him unrecognizeable..yes..even the biggest star in the world. what they need to do is bill him in the beginning of the movie as another name. and when we see the audience's reaction, he can reveal it was him. or he can use his name, and it's up to the public to see who he is playing in the film. he may not play the traditional roles that Duran Duran mentioned..but he can play guys like Edgar Allen Poe, or someone of unique stature. and then again, maybe he can play one of the traditional roles. you never know till you find out. i think he has enough of capability to have a dark side and put it in a role.

[Sifa_Dias]

well..that's the point. Heath Ledger used makeup in his most impressive role...the joker.

i think we really don't know what MIchael can do, as an actor, until he shows us. i don't think we ought to put the kabosh on the possibility that he can be an actor. it does take talent to act in a musical. and he was rather scary in ghosts. if he wants to be, i think he can be effective. makeup is the key. he's had plenty of practice in that. and the high tech world of hollywood could make him unrecognizeable..yes..even the biggest star in the world. what they need to do is bill him in the beginning of the movie as another name. and when we see the audience's reaction, he can reveal it was him. or he can use his name, and it's up to the public to see who he is playing in the film. he may not play the traditional roles that Duran Duran mentioned..but he can play guys like Edgar Allen Poe, or someone of unique stature. and then again, maybe he can play one of the traditional roles. you never know till you find out. i think he has enough of capability to have a dark side and put it in a role.

I agree with you. Even more so, I'm convinced Michael would make an excellent actor, if he worked on it. Note that I say he could be good at the craft, I'm not saying he would be successful, that's a different game because he's already such a famous person. But, we all know he has the ability to emote and express emotion well in his music, we also know he can be vulnerable and sensitive and god knows he's had plenty of life experiences to draw upon. Those are the basic ingredients of acting. The only would be to actually work on those, to fine tune them for acting, if he so wishes. The little he already did acting wise was not bad at all, he can immerse himself in a character and storyline.

Also, someone said music videos are not acting. That's not true, they are just as much acting, just in shorter form, and often not as worked out, story-wise. But it's all acting. After all, thanks the Michael, music videos adopted more of a movie concept. :)

[mj_brainiac]

I guess we just don't agree on that part :) I don't think it matters if the album has been released already, it matters how you handle it now. Just look at Hollywood and how they CONSTANTLY re-releasing movies that have already been done (Friday the 13th, Batman, etc. etc.) They do it because it's successful. A lot of general people who are a little younger probably never actually bought Off the Wall, so this might be a good product for them. Thriller 25 did well, they probably take their cues from that too.

Besides, maybe only a few tracks will be redone, like with Thriller. If Michael is working on a new album, this isn't the focal point anyway, it's something that is coming up because of the anniversary and they want to do SOMETHING, but I'm guessing the main focus and efforts are towards an original release.

And I don't think Michael would really wanna go the underground remix kind of direction, he's more inclined to have big names do an alternate version of his songs. But that's just my idea, and I could very well be wrong here. :)
Well, not underground as in "completely unknown", but use DJs and producers who are truly respected for their craft.

I think if they copy the formula they used for Thriller 25, it's not gonna work IMO

I would love to see this:
Features:
*Remastered and "Remixed" of the Original Album. Remixes in terms of taking the original track and expanding it, and bonus material such as alternate vocal takes, original demo recordings, and previously unreleased songs
*Bonus DVD of previously unreleased performances of songs from the album
*Highlights of the 1981 Diana Ross Television Special and various performances
*Remastered editions of the videos

*New booklet with detailed annotations, rare photos, full lyrics with the original album cover intact

[DuranDuran]

*New booklet with detailed annotations, rare photos, full lyrics with the original album cover intact
I think the only place you'll ever find an original cover is to buy the record, or perhaps seek out the 8-track or cassette. When it was first released on CD, it did have the whole picture, but it was a foldout, not a booklet.

[troubleman84]

^^ He got the 8-track, lol.

[mj_brainiac]

I think the only place you'll ever find an original cover is to buy the record, or perhaps seek out the 8-track or cassette. When it was first released on CD, it did have the whole picture, but it was a foldout, not a booklet.
Which is why it would be great to see it on the deluxe edition

[mjdatabank]

Please note the artists mentiond are just part of a wish-list prepared by Sony Music.

The comments posted here are very interesting.
And, by the way, you've been read by Sony USA and France.

[bobmoo79]

No I don't think it's enough. Don't people see? The more big names are talking about Michael, the more people are being warmed up to hearing about him again. He's been out of the public eye for quite a while, professionally, the only thing that's pretty much been out there is all the gossip stuff. This will put Michael Jackson the artist back in people's minds. This is PR at work.

And like with Thriller 25, currently relevant artists will put their touch on the songs, and yes that might include T-pain or whatever. Try to remember that the album is not coming out for us die hard fans, but for the music buying public in general. If you would let us fans put together the album we'd get something that's great, huge, and it will probably do horrible in today's industry. Accept it or not, good exposure right now means marketing to the biggest common denominator, which is the popular artist, club hit buying audience, the people that play T-pain, Chris Brown, Timberlake, etc. etc. I think it will also include remastered original tracks, for the people that know them and grew up with them. It will be a similar concept to Thriller 25.

If they are planning to release a new MJ album, they people need to be warmed up to him first, you don't just drop an album out of the cold, without some anticipation build up and exposure, Michael has never done it like that.

When Michael did Thriller he mixed older known styles with new popular music, to appeal to the largest possible audience. This is called knowing how to sell, know an audience. It's marketing. This is not very different. I think any MJ development like this is an positive one.

You are 1000% right.

Mike has so much negative publicity because the media portray him that way purposefully, and it has been so long since his most successful period that there is no way for the younger crowd to appreciate how good the music was, and even how much of an impact he had on the industry. Younger people don’t realise what Mike achieved and how successful he was, and even older people have a hard time remembering it because it was so long ago and so much has happened since.
Releasing OTW and T25 are great ways to reintroduce Mike’s music to those who don’t remember the good old days and those who never really knew about it in the first place.

Getting successful artists on the album(s) is a great way to introduce Mike’s music to people who may not otherwise give it a chance. BUT perhaps more importantly than releasing the tracks themselves is who he gets to collaborate on them. As we saw with T25, the collaborators (Will, Fergie, Kanye, Akon) were all asked repeatedly during their own promotional tours about the T25 project, their involvement and about Mike himself. I’m sure that their fans pay attention to what they say and I’m sure that there were many who took notice of the good things they had to say about Mike. The same will happen if artists like JT, Rhianna etc are working on an OTW re-release. This is all excellent PR for Mike and it may help to show the younger listeners (and anybody else who happens to see the interviews and promo) that Mike is a great artist and that he is admired among the music industry.

T25 and OTW30 (if it’s really released) are warming up the people for a new MJ album, I’m sure of it. The only downside I can see to this is that IF ITW30 is released this year then I’m 100% sure that a new MJ album won’t drop until next year. We’ve all been waiting so long that that in itself is bad news.
IF OTW30 is released I will buy it (the success of an MJ release is more positive PR) and will be interested to hear the new tracks. But, like the rest of you I do thing that Mike is taking too long with this release – we should be half to the 2nd MJ release since the trial, not still waiting for the first!

[bobmoo79]

Please note the artists mentiond are just part of a wish-list prepared by Sony Music.

The comments posted here are very interesting.
And, by the way, you've been read by Sony USA and France.


Unfortunately there are too many negative views on this (and many more MJ boards) brought about by frustration at the many re-releases over the past few years, but also because of the lack of new MJ material.

IF I'm right and somebody is trying to target specific audiences to warm them up to a new MJ release and make them more receptive to it, then Sony should ignore the negative remarks here.

The artists mentioned here for OTW30 and for T25 are the key to the perfect target audience for the new release. People who enjoy music by Will, Akon, JT, Rhianna, etc are the type of people who are most likely to appreciate a new MJ album.
Amy Winehouse may not necessarily fit into that bracket but she is such a massive MJ fan and has so much success in the last couple of years that it's understandable that they should want her on the album. I'm sure she would jump at the chance too.

If Sony can get them on the album, then they are making the right moves IMO and it's irrelevant what the people here think because you are not the people they are targetting. They know most of you will buy it anyway, but they really want the positive MJ PR and to open up his market to new listeners.

If they wanted to court only the existing MJ fans they would include the stuff that some of you have asked for - unreleased tracks, remixes, cover art etc.

[mjdatabank]

I don't get the "IF OTW 30 is released" motto.
It IS going to be released.

[troubleman84]

^^ When's the date then? :shifty:

[bobmoo79]

I don't get the "IF OTW 30 is released" motto.
It IS going to be released.

We haven’t had any confirmation from Sony that this is being released and until that happens, I will consider it a possibility but not a certainty.
Last year people said that sony had confirmed a February 09 release date and now we are in February 09, they say it has been postponed, but they don’t have an estimated release date.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>
We haven’t heard any other news of JT, Rhianna etc working on any MJ release from any other source and so it’s difficult to believe that they are involved. IF it really was going to be release in February then surely all the work would be almost complete by now and we would have official news from Sony. Surely they’re not going to just sneek this release out. I would expect a fairly large campaign like they did with Thriller, which for once was promoted fairly well in most countries even though Mike couldn’t get off his backside and do a single bit of publicity himself.

[mjdatabank]

We haven’t had any confirmation from Sony that this is being released and until that happens, I will consider it a possibility but not a certainty.
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We haven’t heard any other news of JT, Rhianna etc working on any MJ release from any other source and so it’s difficult to believe that they are involved. IF it really was going to be release in February then surely all the work would be almost complete by now and we would have official news from Sony. Surely they’re not going to just sneek this release out. I would expect a fairly large campaign like they did with Thriller, which for once was promoted fairly well in most countries even though Mike couldn’t get off his backside and do a single bit of publicity himself.


Well, you say it may not be release and then talk about the release of the cd. I'm confused lol

[big DB]

I have the original artwork on cd :D

[benscarr]

I would love to see this:
Features:
*Remastered and "Remixed" of the Original Album. Remixes in terms of taking the original track and expanding it, and bonus material such as alternate vocal takes, original demo recordings, and previously unreleased songs
*Bonus DVD of previously unreleased performances of songs from the album
*Highlights of the 1981 Diana Ross Television Special and various performances
*Remastered editions of the videos

*New booklet with detailed annotations, rare photos, full lyrics with the original album cover intact

Now that is a exactly what a 30th Anniversary edition of the Off The Wall album should contain.


The artists mentioned here for OTW30 and for T25 are the key to the perfect target audience for the new release. People who enjoy music by Will, Akon, JT, Rhianna, etc are the type of people who are most likely to appreciate a new MJ album.

Michael Jackson recent greatest hits collections have sold well. I think more people will be put off buying the Off The Wall 30th Anniversary Edition, with artists like Will.i.am, Akon, Justin Timberlake, Rihanna and Amy Winehouse performing cover versions of Michael's songs on his albums.

Unless Michael recored duets of the songs with these acts, such cover versions would be an insult to fans. And also having them doing cover versions of Michael's songs on his albums and appear to be nothing more than desperation for sales, and reaching a much younger audience. Michael also has a lot of teenage fans who have never really experienced a Michael Jackson era, so I'm sure they would want unreleased songs and demos instead of hearing covers of of acts singing Michael's songs.

Anniversary editions of albums are for fans of that specific artist or band who recorded that album. Not for fans of artists and acts who are influenced by that artist or band. I never listen to Kanye Wests remix of Billie Jean, or Fergie's cover of Beat It on Thriller25. And it pains me to listen to Akon sing Wanna Be Startin Somethin, with Michael just singing a few lyrics on his own song. I just hate these cover versions on a Michael Jackson album. Michael and Sony should stick to the Special Edition type of release they did for Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. Because everything on those albums from demos to interviews with Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton were relevent to what made those albums and eras amazing in the first place. And they gave fans a better understanding of those albums. Thriller25 with it's great updated cover and CD design, and liner notes etc and bonus DVD was brilliant. But the remixes and cover versions are a waste of space.

Anyway let's hope these cover version rumors and just rumors.

[benscarr]

Error, posted twice.

[mjdatabank]

^^ When's the date then? :shifty:


working date was march. but it's no surprise that it's posponed.
a new date shall be announced soon cause the content is being elaborated as we speak.

[damien shields]

working date was march. but it's no surprise that it's posponed.
a new date shall be announced soon cause the content is being elaborated as we speak.

what u mean a "new" date shall be "announced" soon. there was never a date. nothing has been "announced". michaels official pages have no mention of it and theyre still dedicated solely to thriller promo.

[bobmoo79]

So the date was February 09, then March and the new date is unknown.
what's the point in having a working date if nobody sticks to it? LOL.

Anyway, I won't hold my breath for OTW30. As I said no information has been officially released yet and IF it OTW30 is eventually released, the release date will be a few months after Sony announces it. So, it won't be very soon.

[mjdatabank]

So the date was February 09, then March and the new date is unknown.
what's the point in having a working date if nobody sticks to it? LOL.

Anyway, I won't hold my breath for OTW30. As I said no information has been officially released yet and IF it OTW30 is eventually released, the release date will be a few months after Sony announces it. So, it won't be very soon.


When you know about MJ's carrer and projects, you know that projects are more than often postponed, be it a CD, a book etc...

But maybe you never noticed that before ;)

[Hess]

When you know about MJ's carrer and projects, you know that projects are more than often postponed, be it a CD, a book etc...

But maybe you never noticed that before ;)

You are absolutely right. BUT bobmoo79 has a point. These dates there are always postboned are stupid. Give a day and stick to it. !!!

If you know the CD ain't gonna be ready 1.1.2000, then don't say it will!!! Don't give us, the fans, false hope!! Then better just say 1.5.2000 from the beginning, then we know for sure!

[mjdatabank]

You are absolutely right. BUT bobmoo79 has a point. These dates there are always postboned are stupid. Give a day and stick to it. !!!

If you know the CD ain't gonna be ready 1.1.2000, then don't say it will!!! Don't give us, the fans, false hope!! Then better just say 1.5.2000 from the beginning, then we know for sure!


everyone workin on a project need a working date to start with.
You have to start from somewhere, sometime.

I've been used to that since the waiting for the Bad album ! lol

[troubleman84]

working date was march. but it's no surprise that it's posponed.
a new date shall be announced soon cause the content is being elaborated as we speak.

OK, I can dig it then...

[Sifa_Dias]

Unless Michael recored duets of the songs with these acts, such cover versions would be an insult to fans. And also having them doing cover versions of Michael's songs on his albums and appear to be nothing more than desperation for sales, and reaching a much younger audience. Michael also has a lot of teenage fans who have never really experienced a Michael Jackson era, so I'm sure they would want unreleased songs and demos instead of hearing covers of of acts singing Michael's songs.

Anniversary editions of albums are for fans of that specific artist or band who recorded that album. Not for fans of artists and acts who are influenced by that artist or band. I never listen to Kanye Wests remix of Billie Jean, or Fergie's cover of Beat It on Thriller25. And it pains me to listen to Akon sing Wanna Be Startin Somethin, with Michael just singing a few lyrics on his own song. I just hate these cover versions on a Michael Jackson album. Michael and Sony should stick to the Special Edition type of release they did for Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad. Because everything on those albums from demos to interviews with Quincy Jones and Rod Temperton were relevent to what made those albums and eras amazing in the first place. And they gave fans a better understanding of those albums. Thriller25 with it's great updated cover and CD design, and liner notes etc and bonus DVD was brilliant. But the remixes and cover versions are a waste of space.

I can tell you will never work in marketing or sales for any major artist or label. I don't to be mean, but you're approach to his is purely emotional. It's not strange, you are a fan after all. But you have to look at it from the label's/artist's point of view. Only to make sales? hell yes it is, ha ha. Of course it's about selling product. It's always been about that, that's how it works. You need a broad audience, and fans will buy anyway, if they want. The special editions already gave us a lot of demo's, interviews and what not. Why is it never enough?

As a fan, I cannot agree with your sentiment of it being an insult. Why is it an insult? This is not supposed to be a new MJ material project, it's a anniversary of an old album. I don't feel insulted because MJ doesn't release a ton of his demo's and song drafts and what not, most artists don't, and Michael has done some of that already. It makes total sense to me that he wouldn't do that, after all he's a perfectionist, and if it wasn't good enough to end up on the album, why would you think he'd show it to the world now?

In my opinion, people should take this for what it is. An anniversary edition of an older album, because it hit 30 years and something should be done. Not some huge new project that we've all been waiting for. These are NOT made for fans especially, in my opinon, these are to celebrate a wonderful piece of work and share with everyone, fans and non-fans alike.

[mj_brainiac]

So the date was February 09, then March and the new date is unknown.
what's the point in having a working date if nobody sticks to it? LOL.

Anyway, I won't hold my breath for OTW30. As I said no information has been officially released yet and IF it OTW30 is eventually released, the release date will be a few months after Sony announces it. So, it won't be very soon.
the February date could've been like "consumers heads up" date to make people aware that's coming out.

[Topflux]

And I so thought Michael would invite me to have a remix on that cd. :) Like a fan remix. I thought he would contact me through this forum. lol I think I already have the best MJ remix ever released. And it's from Off The Wall. I just have never played it to anyone...

[Korgnex]

Don't give us, the fans, false hope!! Then better just say 1.5.2000 from the beginning, then we know for sure!

Erm, dear MJJC user, that's the exact reason why Sony Music HAS NOT YET announced anything about "OTW 30".

Fans only are aware of this because some well informed fans let us know about upcoming releases ;)

So, don't blame anybody.


And as it was already explained, a PROJECT always(!) needs a working date.

[OU812]

I don't take the project as an insult to fans so much as I do to the music and to Jackson's legacy.

Benscarr is one of the few people on this thread with a functioning brain. I am convinced that most MJ fans are now living on the rewind, pretending that the new project is "on the way" and that this new OTW 30 campaign is ingenius.

It's not.

It's desperate.

[SuperLee]

If it happens, then brilliant!
If it doesn't no sweat.

I never understand why people get so worked up

[Sifa_Dias]

I don't take the project as an insult to fans so much as I do to the music and to Jackson's legacy.

Benscarr is one of the few people on this thread with a functioning brain. I am convinced that most MJ fans are now living on the rewind, pretending that the new project is "on the way" and that this new OTW 30 campaign is ingenius.

It's not.

It's desperate.

Why because he happens to say something that is according to your own opinion? And so everone else not in sync with that has no functioning brain? Insults are arguments of the weak, instead of insulting other people, why don't you add a post with substance, instead of piggy-backing on the post of another and pigeonholing most fans based on the posts of a few? You can be nicer than that, surely :)

[Hess]

If it happens, then brilliant!
If it doesn't no sweat.

I never understand why people get so worked up


:lol:

Agreed!

[wendy2004]

Whoa...interesting thread...and long. I have a bajillion quotes I want to agree with and/or disagree with so please bear with me. Sorry. That's what I get for coming in to a 12 page thread for the first time. eek!


Hi Everyone,

According to Sony Music, here are the names of some of the artists who may work on remixes / new versions of classic MJ tracks to appear on the OFF THE WALL 30 CD.

J. TIMBERLAKE
RIHANNA
JAY-Z
AMY WINEHOUSE

opinions, suggestions, thoughts: here we go !

Intertesting list...although I'm not sure what song would fit Amy Winehouse from the album. The other 3 I can see on various songs but I'll have to give it a bit more thought cuz I haven't had a chance to really think nor has this thread really gone over many options. It's been mainly discussion about whether the project is worthy or not. :(

I do want to agree with everybody who says that a release like this is good from the perspective of making money for the company AND Michael as well as bringing the music to the current generation who may have overlooked it is a good idea. I think T25 proved that theory to be correct as most big fans already owned the CD and the other re-releases. So SOMEBODY other than us diehards bought that record. My guess is it brought the music back to those who had forgotten about it and or were getting reintroduced to it via their favorite artists (Will, Kanye, Akon and Fergie).



Obviously going to be marketed towards the younger music buyers...wonder if original tracks will be included as they were on Thriller 25 for comparison? Anyway, people have a choice to buy or don't buy...do as you wish.

Completely agree. I don't think everything released that's MJ-related HAS to be for dieheard fans. Sometimes he and Sony have to think about targeting others. I don't see it as an insult at all. Everybody deserves a slice of the Michaelness. We just have to wait our turn (i.e. new and/or unreleased material).



No, this is the only reason. Re-releasing a cult album with some new stuff for today's generation DOES EARN GOOD MONEY...

Exactly, from a business standpoint, the T25 CDs sold, on average, around $10-15 at it's cheapest (not the deluxe) versions. And if you go by the cheapest price alone, 3 million records at $10 a pop is 30 million dollars...for a re-re-release....25 years old. Not shabby at all if you focus on the bottom line. AND because of the artists who appeared on the remixes and the Thrillicious commercial, people were exposed to greatness they had forgotten or missed. Not bad, IMHO for a little work...and effective.



who says all the albums are being reissued, listen Thriller and off the wall are special albums, Im not saying the others arent but these hold dear in many fans hearts, one being the biggest album of all time, the other being most MJ fans favourite as well as all the aspiring singers, musicians who grew up on Michaels music.


Who knows about the new album but why not release this while we wait :D

Well said. :flowers:


Deja vu indeed. Damn, Teena Marie was ahead of her time ("I've been here before!") :lol:

I was thinking the same thing. :lol: Only I was thinking in terms of frustration fans felt when the T25 project was announced. It was the same doubt, the same justifications, the same...everything. Yet, here we go again. I think people just want what they want and don't really see beyond that...which, if you really think about it, can be a hinderance. Imagine the T25 project getting pulled becuz fans on these boards were outraged and thought it was a terrible idea and degrading for MJ's legacy, yada yada. Again, 3 MILLION copies sold. If OTW30 sells even half of that, it's 10-15 million dollars in Sony and MJ's pocket for not so much work. And then there's the exposure to the new fans of the artists who end up doing the remixes. The only way this project can suck or fail is if the remixes are just godawful. And I would hope Michael is involved at some extent to make sure this doesn't happen. These songs are his babies. Please do not let someone murder your babies...even for what some may see as an insignificant remix. I hope he has final say about all this as he did with the T25 remixes. That would make me feel better about it, not that I think the originals can be harmed by a bad remix. I just feel, if anything, the remixes should complement or enhance the orginals in a different way.


Uh, yeah, lots believed the Spice Girls would be all the rage for many decades to come back in 1996. As you can see...they might still be around, but they ain't all that.

I'm sure the fans of Siouxie and the Banshees, House of Pain, Digable Planets, Green Jelly, 69 Boyz, Skee-Lo, Mandy Moore, Aaron Carter, 98 Degrees, Nsync, etc. all felt the same way about their artists back in the day.

Like I said -- 10 years from now ...these folks are HIStory. No staying power at all.

There are other artists like Christina Aguilera and Pink from that era who have had staying power. It's a crapshoot basically. Lots of very talented artists who should still be around in the forefront today have fallen off the radar or gotten lost in the shuffle, NOT becuz they were never really talented to begin with, but for other reasons. There are no guarantees in any business where creativity and business have to mix as not all the "business people" value genuine creativity. What can you do?



What's with all the hate towards these people...? don´t like them? fine fair enough, move on and don't buy the album when it comes out.
It's one thing to express your opinion of dislike and quite another one to troll.

I agree with you, but I think some are taking these decisions personally. It's personal because 1) they don't like a particular artist and the idea that MJ may work with them or allow that person to put any kind of stamp on his music is practically apocolyptic and 2) they don't want to hear about MJ spending time doing anything else but working on new music and releasing that. They fear a project like this gets in the way of new music. There are some other posts below to dispute that tho.


I have a key point to add, right we all know the 2001 special editions were released then Invincible yeah, well check this for a thought

Feb 2008 Thriller 25 is released
May 2008 Hold My Hand is leaked, Now Akon said it was meant to be on MJ's new album but was scrapped after the leak, he also mentioned that Michael waits for the right time to release an album

Now we might get Off The Wall 30.................I don't wanna seem a bit ahead but it could, be a good time to release no?

Bingo....although I still wouldnt' hold my breath. :lol: Who knows how many times Michael has scrapped full albums he thought were ready to go in order to add something, tweak something, take something out...which may have completely changed the focus of the album...meaning he had to start all over again. Several times we've heard that this new album was finished and singles were coming and videos were being rehearsed for and made....yet *the sound of crickets*. So, I don't think we can really guess anything anymore. Let's not even think about the leaks that could bring a project to a halt. Lawd! :bugeyed I honestly believe these side projects don't deter him at all. It's all about when he feels ready to do something and if he's allowed to do it in the way he would like. Too bad about the HMH leak. We could have been rolling in new MJ music right now. :weeping:


it's because of 2 things:
It was well promoted and Thriller will ALWAYS be a great album

and

It's Michael Jackson! of course it's gonna sell units :lol:

Think about. Who bought Thriller 25 for the remixes?






go ahead, I'll wait :lol:

I did. I already had the other songs and special editions. For All Time was the other reason I bought it even tho I'd already heard the song on the internet. I can appreciate the different versions of the songs. Fergie's Beat It is still the least of my faves but I don't hate it nor do I think it ruined my love of the original. No harm, no foul...only dollars in Sony and Michael's pockets...and I had no problem with that while exercising my free will. :)


it's a moot point, cus the operative word is 'kaching'. and..how do you know who actually bought it? were you at every counter?:D :lol:

as far as being well promoted, that really doesn't make a difference for Michael, cus he's Michael. Invincible sold well, despite poor sony promotion. as both carson daly and MJ pointed out in that virgin megastore interview, Invicible came out as the number 1 album all over the world.

I think Michael got a jump on the promotion already. Remember those 2 visits to the Off the Wall antique store. ;) All he has to do is turn up at that place every two weeks like he does the dermatologist (sans the cap and the mask tho) and that could promo in itself. lol You know those pix will travel the net faster than a speeding bullet. Free PR to boot. :lol: Maybe another interview about the making of the album (like the Ebony one for T25) could work. You know we'd buy anything with a new photoshoot and fresh pix. lol


Ok isn't it enough that Akon, Will I Am and Ne-Yo talk about Michael in ever god damn interview so now we gonna hear Timberlake, Rihanna, JAY-Z and Amy Winehouse talk about him as well.

It would be more free PR that Michael doesn't have to do himself (as long as they keep it positive)...not to mention the fans of those folks might be excited to buy OTW30 just to have another song by their fave artist. Man, here comes that dejavu moment again. I know I've said this before...over a year ago. :scratch:

Sifa_Dias and akonmj, I'm just going to say I agree with all your posts. If I quote them all, my post will be longer than it already is. So...Great posts, guys. :flowers:

mj_brainiac, I disagree with all your posts, same as I did for T25. :lol: HOWEVER, I do want to say you do have some very creative ideas for MJ projects. I just feel sometimes your projects are geared more towards ppl who are already big fans, for our appreciation, and not so much towards expanding MJ's appeal to a wider audience. That may not be important to you, but MAYBE it's important to MJ and others...at this point? We already love and appreciate his artistry. Perhaps they're just trying to net more of that from others. There's no harm in that, is it? :worried:


there are many ways to be involved in films: acting, directing, producing, writing music score... you name it.

the album and album tours have been widely spread out by musicians and so-called spokepersons (who don't stay long in the end).

of course, there is no film title on the table.... just like no album title has been revealed in any threads or official website too.

And also: he hasn't been in films that much before: IMO, so far his filmography resides in his short-filmography.
and I'm totally open and anxious to discover what he may come up with in the long movie feature business.

Agree. I'm open to it as well. I think it would be cool to see a movie that's been scored by MJ...or a full soundtrack album. It's like that one thing missing from his catalog...and an unplugged album.


well..that's the point. Heath Ledger used makeup in his most impressive role...the joker.

i think we really don't know what MIchael can do, as an actor, until he shows us. i don't think we ought to put the kabosh on the possibility that he can be an actor. it does take talent to act in a musical. and he was rather scary in ghosts. if he wants to be, i think he can be effective. makeup is the key. he's had plenty of practice in that. and the high tech world of hollywood could make him unrecognizeable..yes..even the biggest star in the world. what they need to do is bill him in the beginning of the movie as another name. and when we see the audience's reaction, he can reveal it was him. or he can use his name, and it's up to the public to see who he is playing in the film. he may not play the traditional roles that Duran Duran mentioned..but he can play guys like Edgar Allen Poe, or someone of unique stature. and then again, maybe he can play one of the traditional roles. you never know till you find out. i think he has enough of capability to have a dark side and put it in a role.

:flowers:

Oy I'm tired now so i'll just say I also agree with bobmoo79's posts as well.

Great thread. It would be nice to see some ideas about which artists could sing which songs though...maybe even suggestions of artists not necessarily on the dream list. I'll think about this and be back to add my penny worth.

[Korgnex]

3 million records at $10 a pop is 30 million dollars...for a re-re-release....


Just a small annotation: An album being sold for $10 a pop brings the corresponding record company ca. 2 $ net income ;)

The rest of the retail price goes to the involved artists, composers, producers, other staff, distributors, licensors/copyright holders etc. + last but not least the state.

[DuranDuran]

Just a small annotation: An album being sold for $10 a pop brings the corresponding record company ca. 2 $ net income ;)

The rest of the retail price goes to the involved artists, composers, producers, other staff, distributors, licensors/copyright holders etc. + last but not least the state.
Don't forget the store itself, lol.

[ds8989]

somebody knows when it will out

[DuranDuran]

Great thread. It would be nice to see some ideas about which artists could sing which songs though...maybe even suggestions of artists not necessarily on the dream list.
If I were in charge, it would go like this:

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (remix by Jay Kay, percussion Shiela E, bass Debra Killings)
Rock With You (with Walter Williams)
Workin' Day & Night (with Nelly)
Get On The Floor (remix by Brand New Heavies)
It's The Falling In Love (with Jill Scott)
I Can't Help It (with N'Dea Davenport, remix by Stevie Wonder)

[Mystic]

You know...Jill Scott on an MJ record would be amazing.

[mj_brainiac]

If I were in charge, it would go like this:

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (remix by Jay Kay, percussion Shiela E, bass Debra Killings)
Rock With You (with Walter Williams)
Workin' Day & Night (with Nelly)
Get On The Floor (remix by Brand New Heavies)
It's The Falling In Love (with Jill Scott)
I Can't Help It (with N'Dea Davenport, remix by Stevie Wonder)
Nelly? It ain't 2002 :lol:

I would rather have DJ Spinna or ?uestlove do it

[Nebbby]

You know...Jill Scott on an MJ record would be amazing.

yeah! that'd be fantastic!!!
or Mariah :)

[mj_brainiac]

This would be my ideal tracklisting

Disc 1:
1.Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
2.Rock With You
3.Workin' Day And Night
4.Get On The Floor
5.Off The Wall (Single Mix)
6.Girlfriend
7.She's Out Of My Life
8.I Can't Help It
9.It's The Falling In Love
10.Burn This Disco Out
*******Bonus Content******
11.*unreleased song*(something we've never heard of)
12.Goin To Rio
13.You Told Me Your Lovin'
14.Under Your Skin
15.Susie
17.*unreleased song or alternate take*
18.Rock With You (Original 1978 demo)
19.I Can't Help It (Remix)
20.Off The Wall (Remix)

Disc 2
-Off The Wall (Live from the Destiny Tour)
-Rock With You (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-She's Out Of My Life (Live from the Victory Tour)
-Workin' Day And Night (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Diana! '81 performances
-ABC 20/20 Profile
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Video)
-Rock With You (Video)
-She's Out Of My Life (Video)


and for a "iTunes Special Deluxe Edition", would include:
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Justice Remix)
Rock With You( DJ Spinna Remix)
It's The Falling In Love (Ali Shaheed Muhammad Remix)
Off The Wall (Mark Ronson Remix)
I Can't Help It(Nicolay Remix)
Workin' Day And Night (Sam Sparro Remix)
Get On The Floor (?uestlove Remix)

[babyface34]

Can't wait to hear what they're cooking up. I really do hope that the Neptunes get to hop aboard this time around. They've got albums worth of "Off The Wall/Thriller"-inspired material tucked away.

[troubleman84]

This would be my ideal tracklisting

Disc 1:
1.Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
2.Rock With You
3.Workin' Day And Night
4.Get On The Floor
5.Off The Wall (Single Mix)
6.Girlfriend
7.She's Out Of My Life
8.I Can't Help It
9.It's The Falling In Love
10.Burn This Disco Out
*******Bonus Content******
11.*unreleased song*(something we've never heard of)
12.Goin To Rio
13.You Told Me Your Lovin'
14.Under Your Skin
15.Susie
17.*unreleased song or alternate take*
18.Rock With You (Original 1978 demo)
19.I Can't Help It (Remix)
20.Off The Wall (Remix)

Disc 2
-Off The Wall (Live from the Destiny Tour)
-Rock With You (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-She's Out Of My Life (Live from the Victory Tour)
-Workin' Day And Night (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Diana! '81 performances
-ABC 20/20 Profile
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Video)
-Rock With You (Video)
-She's Out Of My Life (Video)


and for a "iTunes Special Deluxe Edition", would include:
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Justice Remix)
Rock With You( DJ Spinna Remix)
It's The Falling In Love (Ali Shaheed Muhammad Remix)
Off The Wall (Mark Ronson Remix)
I Can't Help It(Nicolay Remix)
Workin' Day And Night (Sam Sparro Remix)
Get On The Floor (?uestlove Remix)

I'd add "Sunset Driver" somewhere in between there. :lol:

[The Lost Children]

Please note the artists mentiond are just part of a wish-list prepared by Sony Music.

The comments posted here are very interesting.
And, by the way, you've been read by Sony USA and France.

I think the concept with young, new artists doing remixes of old classics is good, but please: put some unreleased tracks on it, more as on Thriller 25!

Are those 4 artists the only ones, who are in discussions doing remixes, or are there some more? Thanks for every info !

[Korgnex]

Don't forget the store itself, lol.

distributor = store ;)

[Korgnex]

but please: put some unreleased tracks on it, more as on Thriller 25!

that's only up to Michael Jackson himself, he didn't want to include more unreleased material into T25 and I guess the same happens with OTW30

[xscape guy 2003]

ok , i just wrote a huge thing about this,

but lost it!!

I will do it again later

but all i will say for now, is it could be great.

Terry

[mjdatabank]

I would like only one 2009 remix, and a bunch of rare tracks and mixes.
That would make my day.

[MoonWalkinYiddo]

I wouldn't not like this, but it's so zzzzzzzzz...

Just release the new album already and enough of the cashing in - that goes for both MJ and Sony.

[Foxy..]

You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.

[SIDEWALK]

When will MJ fans realise this is not for us, it's for the general public, it's a promotion tool. You don't have to buy it just because it has his name on it.

Quite bitching.

The new album will come out when it's ready. Mean time, don't expect much else.

[smooth_usagi_criminal]

Personally I'd love to hear Duffy x Michael collab rather then Amy Winehouse. I guess I'm just more a Duffy person :/

[mjscarousal]

You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.

Thats understandable but if Michael just wanted little promotion he could do other things besides popping out crappy rendtions of classic albums by crappy artists.

[Hess]

You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.

It very vell could be. Like all the 2001 special editions before Vince came!

I hope you are right. If you are we will soon get the lead single from the new album.

[troubleman84]

Personally I'd love to hear Duffy x Michael collab rather then Amy Winehouse. I guess I'm just more a Duffy person :/

Nah, Estelle gotta be the one for me. LOL!

[mj_brainiac]

You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.
people have opinions and they have a right to express them. Some may be right, some may be wrong, but they do have that right

[wendy2004]

Just a small annotation: An album being sold for $10 a pop brings the corresponding record company ca. 2 $ net income ;)

The rest of the retail price goes to the involved artists, composers, producers, other staff, distributors, licensors/copyright holders etc. + last but not least the state.

Ouch! I imagine it really hurt both record companies and artists last year who sold less than a million then. Wow! Thanks for breaking that down, mjdatabank. I think that's also a clue why CDs and record stores are becoming obsolete and online downloads are gaining an edge. Maybe it's cheaper all around for everyone to cut out the middle-mess...altho I would seriously miss the little booklets that come with the CDs. You don't get that with downloads. So cold and impersonal. :(


This would be my ideal tracklisting

Disc 1:
1.Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
2.Rock With You
3.Workin' Day And Night
4.Get On The Floor
5.Off The Wall (Single Mix)
6.Girlfriend
7.She's Out Of My Life
8.I Can't Help It
9.It's The Falling In Love
10.Burn This Disco Out
*******Bonus Content******
11.*unreleased song*(something we've never heard of)
12.Goin To Rio
13.You Told Me Your Lovin'
14.Under Your Skin
15.Susie
17.*unreleased song or alternate take*
18.Rock With You (Original 1978 demo)
19.I Can't Help It (Remix)
20.Off The Wall (Remix)

Disc 2
-Off The Wall (Live from the Destiny Tour)
-Rock With You (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-She's Out Of My Life (Live from the Victory Tour)
-Workin' Day And Night (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Live from the Triumph Tour)
-Diana! '81 performances
-ABC 20/20 Profile
-Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Video)
-Rock With You (Video)
-She's Out Of My Life (Video)


and for a "iTunes Special Deluxe Edition", would include:
Don't Stop Til You Get Enough (Justice Remix)
Rock With You( DJ Spinna Remix)
It's The Falling In Love (Ali Shaheed Muhammad Remix)
Off The Wall (Mark Ronson Remix)
I Can't Help It(Nicolay Remix)
Workin' Day And Night (Sam Sparro Remix)
Get On The Floor (?uestlove Remix)

As usual...awesomely thought-out and interesting...for folks who are already diehard fans, imo. I don't see anything on there that would draw someone who's not already a fan in for a listen. And with that much content, I imagine we're looking at a price of $30 and up...maybe $50. Would you pay that amount for the project...in a recession as bad as this one? And can you see a person who's a non-fan paying that much...in a recession?

I think the point of using "who's hot now" names is to draw in the fans of those people. And if I were a fan of Rihanna and a song of hers was on this thing but it would cost me $30-50 to get it, I'd probably seek out other options. I'm not going to lie. :lol: Not only does that defeat the purpose of getting the fan interested but if they don't buy the whole thing they miss out on the exposure to the original content...the Michaelness. It doesn't seem practical from my point of view. Can't speak for others, but I'm just saying in the economy wer'e in now, a LOT of people are being very choosey about what they will spend their money on and whether it's worth the dollar. My guess is the record company wants to make the project interesting enuf to draw in others as well as make it cost-effective for those who are interested. Of course, I'd pay $50 for the whole shebang. I'd pay it for the Triumph footage alone. :lol: A Rihanna fan who's not necessarily an MJ fan might decide that's too much for one remixed song. Love your ideas tho. :yes:


that's only up to Michael Jackson himself, he didn't want to include more unreleased material into T25 and I guess the same happens with OTW30

I wonder if maybe the reason a lot of unreleased things remain that way is becuz Michael still has plans for that stuff. Little Susie was from OTW era and it came out on History. So maybe he's not interested in parting with anything because he genuinely thinks he can recycle or update it for another time. Perhaps he considers those songs works-in-progess to this day. :unsure: Hmm...maybe some outtakes and demos on already released songs like RWY, DSTYGE, etc.?

Anyhoo, I went and did a lil research and listened to the album to get a feel for which voices might fit each song, imho, of course. And it's nice to see some suggestions going on in here now. Some of you brought up some good names I'd forgotten about like Jill Scott and Estelle.

DSTYGE... I think Justin T. is a shoe-in on this one; maybe Jay-Z as well.
RWY... J.T. or Ne-yo

WD&N... Pharrell/Neptunes seem perfect for this one; maybe Jay Z can do something with it, too

GOTF... Don't hate me but I can hear Rihanna on this; I like Jill Scott, too but since Jazmin Sullivan is more current than Jill at the mo, maybe she would be a good draw.

OTW... Alicia Keys, Jill or Jazmin

SOOML...for a different twist maybe have a woman re-do it as He's Out of My Life. I think Alicia would do an amazing job on it and Rihanna seems to be really good with those torch song/ballads. However, that could be risky and bring on some pesky jokes...even tho a woman would be singing the song about a guy. Hmmm...SO, I'm thinking Ne-yo as the safe choice.

GF ... Don't hate me but there's just enuf corn and cheese here (which I can appreciate from time to time so that's not a diss at all) for the Jonas Brothers. I know it's blasphemous to suggest, but I can hear it. Imagine all their little girly fans buying the CD for the song.

ICHI ... Since Janet did so well on the knock-off (This Can't Be Good) I think she would do a kickarse job on this; Justin might do it justice as well.

ITFIL... Rihanna and Chris Brown; oh the drama :P....altho their whole down-low thing would be busted (as if it isn't already lol) so maybe Christina Aguilera and Ne-yo or Jazmin and Ne-yo.

BTDO ...Jill Scott; Christina Aguilera; Jazmin Sullivan or Amy Winehouse. This is the only song I can see Amy on with her type of voice, but hey...you never know.

I realize all of the songs can't and won't be remixed, but those were just some thoughts about each song.

Peace.

[Korgnex]

It very vell could be. Like all the 2001 special editions before Vince came!

I hope you are right. If you are we will soon get the lead single from the new album.


No no no. You misunderstood the post by "Foxy..".

1) "Foxy.." just said that those re-releases are promotional tools for the general public, not especially aimed at the fanbase.

2) The 2001 re-releases were released AFTER the definite release date of Invincible has already been announced (they were released just 2 weeks prior to the release of Invincible).
There's neither a name nor a release date for a new album by Michael Jackson.



OTW 30 has NOTHING to do with a new album.

[mj_brainiac]

Ouch! I imagine it really hurt both record companies and artists last year who sold less than a million then. Wow! Thanks for breaking that down, mjdatabank. I think that's also a clue why CDs and record stores are becoming obsolete and online downloads are gaining an edge. Maybe it's cheaper all around for everyone to cut out the middle-mess...altho I would seriously miss the little booklets that come with the CDs. You don't get that with downloads. So cold and impersonal. :(



As usual...awesomely thought-out and interesting...for folks who are already diehard fans, imo. I don't see anything on there that would draw someone who's not already a fan in for a listen. And with that much content, I imagine we're looking at a price of $30 and up...maybe $50. Would you pay that amount for the project...in a recession as bad as this one? And can you see a person who's a non-fan paying that much...in a recession?

I think the point of using "who's hot now" names is to draw in the fans of those people. And if I were a fan of Rihanna and a song of hers was on this thing but it would cost me $30-50 to get it, I'd probably seek out other options. I'm not going to lie. :lol: Not only does that defeat the purpose of getting the fan interested but if they don't buy the whole thing they miss out on the exposure to the original content...the Michaelness. It doesn't seem practical from my point of view. Can't speak for others, but I'm just saying in the economy wer'e in now, a LOT of people are being very choosey about what they will spend their money on and whether it's worth the dollar. My guess is the record company wants to make the project interesting enuf to draw in others as well as make it cost-effective for those who are interested. Of course, I'd pay $50 for the whole shebang. I'd pay it for the Triumph footage alone. :lol: A Rihanna fan who's not necessarily an MJ fan might decide that's too much for one remixed song. Love your ideas tho. :yes:



I wonder if maybe the reason a lot of unreleased things remain that way is becuz Michael still has plans for that stuff. Little Susie was from OTW era and it came out on History. So maybe he's not interested in parting with anything because he genuinely thinks he can recycle or update it for another time. Perhaps he considers those songs works-in-progess to this day. :unsure: Hmm...maybe some outtakes and demos on already released songs like RWY, DSTYGE, etc.?

Anyhoo, I went and did a lil research and listened to the album to get a feel for which voices might fit each song, imho, of course. And it's nice to see some suggestions going on in here now. Some of you brought up some good names I'd forgotten about like Jill Scott and Estelle.

DSTYGE... I think Justin T. is a shoe-in on this one; maybe Jay-Z as well.
RWY... J.T. or Ne-yo

WD&N... Pharrell/Neptunes seem perfect for this one; maybe Jay Z can do something with it, too

GOTF... Don't hate me but I can hear Rihanna on this; I like Jill Scott, too but since Jazmin Sullivan is more current than Jill at the mo, maybe she would be a good draw.

OTW... Alicia Keys, Jill or Jazmin

SOOML...for a different twist maybe have a woman re-do it as He's Out of My Life. I think Alicia would do an amazing job on it and Rihanna seems to be really good with those torch song/ballads. However, that could be risky and bring on some pesky jokes...even tho a woman would be singing the song about a guy. Hmmm...SO, I'm thinking Ne-yo as the safe choice.

GF ... Don't hate me but there's just enuf corn and cheese here (which I can appreciate from time to time so that's not a diss at all) for the Jonas Brothers. I know it's blasphemous to suggest, but I can hear it. Imagine all their little girly fans buying the CD for the song.

ICHI ... Since Janet did so well on the knock-off (This Can't Be Good) I think she would do a kickarse job on this; Justin might do it justice as well.

ITFIL... Rihanna and Chris Brown; oh the drama :P....altho their whole down-low thing would be busted (as if it isn't already lol) so maybe Christina Aguilera and Ne-yo or Jazmin and Ne-yo.

BTDO ...Jill Scott; Christina Aguilera; Jazmin Sullivan or Amy Winehouse. This is the only song I can see Amy on with her type of voice, but hey...you never know.

I realize all of the songs can't and won't be remixed, but those were just some thoughts about each song.

Peace.

They could do it this way:

Release the edition with remixes
and release a "collector's edition" that would have the rare tracks and footage

Think of how Pearl Jam's forthcoming reissue of "10" is being done:

On March 24, 2009, Ten will be reissued in four editions. The extras on the four editions will range from a remastering and remix of the entire album by producer Brendan O'Brien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Brien_%28music_producer%29), six bonus tracks ("Brother", "Just a Girl", "State of Love and Trust", "Breath and a Scream", "2,000 Mile Blues", and "Evil Little Goat"), re-designed packaging, a DVD of the band's 1992 appearance on MTV Unplugged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged), an LP of its September 20, 1992 concert at Magnuson Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson_Park_%28Seattle%29) in Seattle, a replica of the original Mamasan demo cassette, and a replica of Vedder's composition notebook.<sup id="cite_ref-reissue_32-1" class="reference">[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_%28Pearl_Jam_album%29#cite_note-reissue-32)</sup> It will be the first reissue in a planned re-release of Pearl Jam's entire catalogue that will lead up to the band's 20th anniversary in 2011

or how EMI is re-releasing Radiohead's albums
Each album will now get its own Collectors Edition (2XCD sets featuring the original album and a comprehensive bonus disc full of B-sides and live performances) and Special Collectors Edition (basically the Collectors Edition plus an added DVD with music videos and live footage, snazzy packaging and, um, postcards). Almost everything Radiohead put to tape professionally between 1992 and 1997 is represented here.

[Korgnex]

by "they" you mean Sony Music.


BUT it's completely up to Michael Jackson WHAT content will be released. ;)

[The Lost Children]

My question again: Are those four artists the only ones, who are in discussions to do a Remix for "Off The Wall 30", or are there some more? Thanks.

[Hess]

by "they" you mean Sony Music.


BUT it's completely up to Michael Jackson WHAT content will be released. ;)


Yeah this time it is. So we can only hope MJ will make good content.

[Birchey]

2) The 2001 re-releases were released AFTER the definite release date of Invincible has already been announced (they were released just 2 weeks prior to the release of Invincible).
There's neither a name nor a release date for a new album by Michael Jackson.

Yes they were released after a release date was set for Vince, but that still doesnt mean nothing, the special edition albums wernt planned, remastered, produced and released on the same day, they took planning too, quite alot of planning.

Problem is no-one was looking out for a release date for the re-releases only for Vince ;)

[benscarr]

You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.

They are mainly aimed at the Michael Jackson fan base. And current fans and people who aren't fans but have bought a Michael Jackson album before should be the priority of that promotion. Not people who've never bought a Michael Jackson album before, and want to listen to Amy Winehouse or Jay Z. And in the age of downloads they are more likely to just download the cover version from iTunes for 79p or download for free.

One of the reasons Thriller25 should so well is because it was released with 3 different picture covers, where fans like myself bought all 3 including the fold out vinyl album and picture disc vinyl. I'm pretty sure fans of Will.i.am, Fergie, Akon and Kanye West were only a small percentage of people who bought Thriller25.

[MoonWalkinYiddo]

When will MJ fans realise this is not for us, it's for the general public, it's a promotion tool. You don't have to buy it just because it has his name on it.

Quite bitching.

The new album will come out when it's ready. Mean time, don't expect much else.


You do realise T25, KOP and OTW30 are all promotional tools, not specifically aimed at the current fanbase..? Quit moaning.

Thanks for the advice, but I will moan all I like when I see projects like this.

And how exactly do you define a fan? I class it as someone who buys one of his albums. Ergo, someone buying Off the Wall would be classed as one in my book. A sale is a sale in MJ and Sony's book.

[wendy2004]

Ouch! I imagine it really hurt both record companies and artists last year who sold less than a million then. Wow! Thanks for breaking that down, mjdatabank. I think that's also a clue why CDs and record stores are becoming obsolete and online downloads are gaining an edge. Maybe it's cheaper all around for everyone to cut out the middle-mess...altho I would seriously miss the little booklets that come with the CDs. You don't get that with downloads. So cold and impersonal. :(



As usual...awesomely thought-out and interesting...for folks who are already diehard fans, imo. I don't see anything on there that would draw someone who's not already a fan in for a listen. And with that much content, I imagine we're looking at a price of $30 and up...maybe $50. Would you pay that amount for the project...in a recession as bad as this one? And can you see a person who's a non-fan paying that much...in a recession?

I think the point of using "who's hot now" names is to draw in the fans of those people. And if I were a fan of Rihanna and a song of hers was on this thing but it would cost me $30-50 to get it, I'd probably seek out other options. I'm not going to lie. :lol: Not only does that defeat the purpose of getting the fan interested but if they don't buy the whole thing they miss out on the exposure to the original content...the Michaelness. It doesn't seem practical from my point of view. Can't speak for others, but I'm just saying in the economy wer'e in now, a LOT of people are being very choosey about what they will spend their money on and whether it's worth the dollar. My guess is the record company wants to make the project interesting enuf to draw in others as well as make it cost-effective for those who are interested. Of course, I'd pay $50 for the whole shebang. I'd pay it for the Triumph footage alone. :lol: A Rihanna fan who's not necessarily an MJ fan might decide that's too much for one remixed song. Love your ideas tho. :yes:



I wonder if maybe the reason a lot of unreleased things remain that way is becuz Michael still has plans for that stuff. Little Susie was from OTW era and it came out on History. So maybe he's not interested in parting with anything because he genuinely thinks he can recycle or update it for another time. Perhaps he considers those songs works-in-progess to this day. :unsure: Hmm...maybe some outtakes and demos on already released songs like RWY, DSTYGE, etc.?

Anyhoo, I went and did a lil research and listened to the album to get a feel for which voices might fit each song, imho, of course. And it's nice to see some suggestions going on in here now. Some of you brought up some good names I'd forgotten about like Jill Scott and Estelle.

DSTYGE... I think Justin T. is a shoe-in on this one; maybe Jay-Z as well.
RWY... J.T. or Ne-yo

WD&N... Pharrell/Neptunes seem perfect for this one; maybe Jay Z can do something with it, too

GOTF... Don't hate me but I can hear Rihanna on this; I like Jill Scott, too but since Jazmin Sullivan is more current than Jill at the mo, maybe she would be a good draw.

OTW... Alicia Keys, Jill or Jazmin

SOOML...for a different twist maybe have a woman re-do it as He's Out of My Life. I think Alicia would do an amazing job on it and Rihanna seems to be really good with those torch song/ballads. However, that could be risky and bring on some pesky jokes...even tho a woman would be singing the song about a guy. Hmmm...SO, I'm thinking Ne-yo as the safe choice.

GF ... Don't hate me but there's just enuf corn and cheese here (which I can appreciate from time to time so that's not a diss at all) for the Jonas Brothers. I know it's blasphemous to suggest, but I can hear it. Imagine all their little girly fans buying the CD for the song.

ICHI ... Since Janet did so well on the knock-off (This Can't Be Good) I think she would do a kickarse job on this; Justin might do it justice as well.

ITFIL... Rihanna and Chris Brown; oh the drama :P....altho their whole down-low thing would be busted (as if it isn't already lol) so maybe Christina Aguilera and Ne-yo or Jazmin and Ne-yo.

BTDO ...Jill Scott; Christina Aguilera; Jazmin Sullivan or Amy Winehouse. This is the only song I can see Amy on with her type of voice, but hey...you never know.

I realize all of the songs can't and won't be remixed, but those were just some thoughts about each song.

Peace.

Edit Edit EDIT!: Lawd I had no idea how prophetic those suggestions were to be when I typed them. Ixnay on Rihanna and Chris Brown bitsay.:bugeyed :fear:


They could do it this way:

Release the edition with remixes
and release a "collector's edition" that would have the rare tracks and footage

Think of how Pearl Jam's forthcoming reissue of "10" is being done:

On March 24, 2009, Ten will be reissued in four editions. The extras on the four editions will range from a remastering and remix of the entire album by producer Brendan O'Brien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_O%27Brien_%28music_producer%29), six bonus tracks ("Brother", "Just a Girl", "State of Love and Trust", "Breath and a Scream", "2,000 Mile Blues", and "Evil Little Goat"), re-designed packaging, a DVD of the band's 1992 appearance on MTV Unplugged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Unplugged), an LP of its September 20, 1992 concert at Magnuson Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson_Park_%28Seattle%29) in Seattle, a replica of the original Mamasan demo cassette, and a replica of Vedder's composition notebook.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-reissue_32-1>[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_%28Pearl_Jam_album%29#cite_note-reissue-32)</SUP> It will be the first reissue in a planned re-release of Pearl Jam's entire catalogue that will lead up to the band's 20th anniversary in 2011

or how EMI is re-releasing Radiohead's albums
Each album will now get its own Collectors Edition (2XCD sets featuring the original album and a comprehensive bonus disc full of B-sides and live performances) and Special Collectors Edition (basically the Collectors Edition plus an added DVD with music videos and live footage, snazzy packaging and, um, postcards). Almost everything Radiohead put to tape professionally between 1992 and 1997 is represented here.

Good idea about separate editions. Maybe the one targeted towards collectors would be in limited in supply as well. But I guess it's up to those involved (MJ and/or Sony) if that's something they want to dedicate time and resources to do. I just think fans who like a lot of rare and unreleased content should be prepared to lay down the dollars for it. It would suck if someone went thru the trouble of compiling a nice package peppered with rarities and/or unreleased bits only to have folks moan about the cost. Your first list is not something I would think a fan should expect to pay $19.99 for. It just doesn't seem practical to me. Can I ask...what is the most you would expect to pay for some of the packages you come up with? Again, I think you have some kickarse ideas, but I'm just curious as to how much you, as a consumer, would be willing to pay for those compilations? What's the most you would spend?

[Mikejoefan]

Oh JOY, artist to do remakes of OTW. I guess I will not be getting this one. If there are some new songs then I'll just get those. I don't want to hear some other artist sing mike songs. I'll be patiently waiting for michael's new album.

[elusive moonwalker]

When will MJ fans realise this is not for us, it's for the general public, it's a promotion tool. You don't have to buy it just because it has his name on it.

i would think its aimed at making money and nothing else. and by doing this its probably the best way to make money of the biggest market possible. just re release OTW with a few demos and the only ppl who buy it are the hardcore fan base. you may get the odd non fan buying it who gets to hear OTW when b4 its not something they would come across bar the mainstream songs such as DSTYGE. but otherwise you only have a small market buying it. bring other artists in and you get their fans possibly buying it along with more members of the public who will hear the songs on mainstream radio ontop of the fanbase. its just a new way of milking the albums/songs as everything else has been done

[Bob George]

Are they planning to do this every year? Thriller 25 in 2008, Off The Wall 30 in 2009, HIStory 15 in 2010, Dangerous 20 in 2011, Bad 25 in 2012. Then I guess 2013, new album?

[chocomarker]

well chris brown wont make a track for this one for sure.

he faces felony charges for beating his girlfriend rihanna, allegedly. if this turns out true (which looks to be likely, since neither chris brown nor rihanna have denied anything yet) the billboard CEO is right, chris browns career would be over.

so no MJ collabos or whatever for him anymore.

[IMWhizzle]

well chris brown wont make a track for this one for sure.

he faces felony charges for beating his girlfriend rihanna, allegedly. if this turns out true (which looks to be likely, since neither chris brown nor rihanna have denied anything yet) the billboard CEO is right, chris browns career would be over.

so no MJ collabos or whatever for him anymore.

Sad but true.. He had so much potential.. I don't know why he had to beat up a women.. That is just disquisting..

[Mystic]

Sad but true.. He had so much potential.. I don't know why he had to beat up a women.. That is just disquisting..

If people are equal, shouldn't it be wrong to beat up anyone? Not just women.

[HUGE_MJ_FAN]

Is this confirmed by Sony?

[The Lost Children]

It was said, that besides the Remixes there would be one unreleased Track.

I would be interested in which unreleased tracks are in the selection to be on "Off The Wall 30"? Thanks.

[Hess]

If people are equal, shouldn't it be wrong to beat up anyone? Not just women.


:lol: Know this wasn't supposed to be funny, but I really think you put it nice!

And you are right of course! :lol:

[Yeezy]

I'll probs just end up buying it anyways.
And I will probs moan about it. :)

[Korgnex]

It was said, that besides the Remixes there would be one unreleased Track.


SONY Music has NOT said anything about the content yet.


As usual, some fans have started to spread their self-made tracklists.


NO confirmed content so far ;)

[Derek1984]

Why release a 30th Anniversary edition for Off The Wall? This makes no sense to me other than to make money. I can understand something for Thriller. That album is the biggest selling album of all time and changed the music landscape forever. But Off The Wall at 30 years makes no sense. It's not one of the top 10 selling albums of all time. It only won one Grammy Award. Now I don't mean to take anything away from the album. It's a pop masterpiece and should have won more awards. But I just don't feel like it is worthy of the treatment that Thriller received. Quite simply, Off The Wall didn't have as much impact as Thriller. Less people are going to buy this than Thriller 25. If there is even a plan for this, and it is to have remixes by other artists, I just don't get it other than money. If anything, this 30th edition should include unreleased outtakes, demos, disco mixes, and a dvd of Michael on tour performing the songs from the album. But we all know that won't be the case. Nothing has been confirmed, so any of this might not even happen. I just think an idea of OTW 30 with remixes by other artists would be a stupid idea.

[DuranDuran]

If anything, this 30th edition should include unreleased outtakes, demos, disco mixes, and a dvd of Michael on tour performing the songs from the album.
There is no Michael tour until Bad, so that doesn't make much sense. They would have to release a Jacksons show, and Sony has tended to ignore the group. There has never been a Jacksons/J5 video released ever. The closest thing to that is the Motown 25 video which has long been out of print.

[smiles_au]

SOOML...for a different twist maybe have a woman re-do it as He's Out of My Life. I think Alicia would do an amazing job on it and Rihanna seems to be really good with those torch song/ballads.

Mya Harrison has already done a cover called "Man in My Life" on her Fear of Flying album, released in 2000. It is fairly good, and I don't think Alicia/Rihanna could do any better.

[Derek1984]

There is no Michael tour until Bad, so that doesn't make much sense. They would have to release a Jacksons show, and Sony has tended to ignore the group. There has never been a Jacksons/J5 video released ever. The closest thing to that is the Motown 25 video which has long been out of print.


Yes, the Jacksons Triumph tour. That would make sense.

[mj_brainiac]

Why release a 30th Anniversary edition for Off The Wall? This makes no sense to me other than to make money. I can understand something for Thriller. That album is the biggest selling album of all time and changed the music landscape forever. But Off The Wall at 30 years makes no sense. It's not one of the top 10 selling albums of all time. It only won one Grammy Award. Now I don't mean to take anything away from the album. It's a pop masterpiece and should have won more awards. But I just don't feel like it is worthy of the treatment that Thriller received. Quite simply, Off The Wall didn't have as much impact as Thriller. Less people are going to buy this than Thriller 25. If there is even a plan for this, and it is to have remixes by other artists, I just don't get it other than money. If anything, this 30th edition should include unreleased outtakes, demos, disco mixes, and a dvd of Michael on tour performing the songs from the album. But we all know that won't be the case. Nothing has been confirmed, so any of this might not even happen. I just think an idea of OTW 30 with remixes by other artists would be a stupid idea.
Off The Wall is regarded as one of the greatest R&B albums EVER

Not only that, just because it isn't one of the top 10 selling albums doesn't mean it doesn't deserved to have recognition.

SALES DON'T DICTATE AN ALBUM'S WORTH

There are many people who love and hold Off The Wall in higher regard than they do Thriller. Who cares if the album won only one grammy? The Jackson 5 never won a Grammy, does that mean they didn't have impact
The album is PERFECT and without that album, you wouldn't have Michael Jackson the superstar. Off The Wall laid the groundwork for Thriller:

The best selling album by a black artist until Thriller
the first album to spawn 4 top 10 singles
voted by Rolling Stone as the #68 in the 500 greatest albums of all time
Grammy Awards hall of fame inductee
Off The Wall made a HUGE impact in the R&B community and you can hear the influence to this day
Off The Wall also got better reviews than Thriller did
over 20 million copies sold


I swear sometimes ya'll worry me:doh: :lol:

[Mystic]

Why release a 30th Anniversary edition for Off The Wall? This makes no sense to me other than to make money.

Why ask a question you already knew the answer to?

[tbron]

this is a bad idea

[troubleman84]

Off The Wall is regarded as one of the greatest R&B albums EVER

Not only that, just because it isn't one of the top 10 selling albums doesn't mean it doesn't deserved to have recognition.

SALES DON'T DICTATE AN ALBUM'S WORTH

There are many people who love and hold Off The Wall in higher regard than they do Thriller. Who cares if the album won only one grammy? The Jackson 5 never won a Grammy, does that mean they didn't have impact
The album is PERFECT and without that album, you wouldn't have Michael Jackson the superstar. Off The Wall laid the groundwork for Thriller:

The best selling album by a black artist until Thriller
the first album to spawn 4 top 10 singles
voted by Rolling Stone as the #68 in the 500 greatest albums of all time
Grammy Awards hall of fame inductee
Off The Wall made a HUGE impact in the R&B community and you can hear the influence to this day
Off The Wall also got better reviews than Thriller did
over 20 million copies sold


I swear sometimes ya'll worry me:doh: :lol:

You can say that again.

[Derek1984]

People can defend this idea all they want. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's what makes a board like this so great. In my opinion, a 30th Anniversary edition for OTW is going to be purchased by only die hard MJ fans. The casual listener who might have purchased Thriller 25 will not be buying an OTW 30.

[troubleman84]

^^ No one's defending this idea, Jay was defending the album's own impact. :lol:

[MaJic]

if anything, i would like to see mj redo DSTYGE and RWY...not remix them as much as release the original masters...since he had masters at work do those remixes with the unreleased vocals, i wonder how the original mixes sound...