Any Believers in Jesus Christ Here? (Non-debate thread for believers only)

[Earth_Song1]

I am a christian!! I believe Jesus is Lord.

This thread is for fellow Christians, who believe in the God, the Bible and Jesus Christ.

[xthunderx2]

Oh yes fellow Christian here..:) I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ..:)

[Earth_Song1]

Oh yes fellow Christian here..:) I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ..:)

Cool, Thunder, cause salvation comes through him.

[Courtney]

I'm Catholic, so yes. I believe in Jesus. :)

[Earth_Song1]

Hi there, Courtney!!

[Courtney]

Hi there, Courtney!!


Hi!! :)

[flyaway622]

Hi! I believe in the Lord Jesus:)

[CaribbeanQueen]

I am! Jesus is my rock :wub:

[witchanna]

hi ladys
i just find out why i was hafe syphiasci and i got a gift of some kind i can talk to dead persons
this gift of mine did come from jesus
most of us believe in jesus/god
most religanies tell us there is jesus?

[Rawr]

Yep! If it wasn't for my belief in Jesus, I don't know how I would have survived a lot of crap I've gone through.

[Earth_Song1]

Yep! If it wasn't for my belief in Jesus, I don't know how I would have survived a lot of crap I've gone through.

Amen to that, Rawr!!

[MJsBollywoodGirl7]

I am definitely back believing in God and Jesus again. Especially since I was brought up as a Brethren or German Baptist. And in my religion we practically continue the work of Jesus. It was Michael's death that made me go back and believe in God and Jesus again. I have to believe in them if I want to be in the same place with Michael.

[Ape]

I love Jesus. I don't always know what I believe about him but I love him. I do believe he died so that our sins could be forgiven. I feel sad when I sin, knowing that it would hurt him so much. I love God the father too, and our Holy Spirit.

I don't want to judge or condemn anyone else who follows another religion, and I'm thankful that it's really not my job to. God made us all. We are all his children. None of us have the total truth and answer and knowledge..but we can have God's spirit to guide us at least.

It sometimes seems so simple, but can get so complicated. I wonder, is it us who complicated it, or is it really as complex as it seems. Like.. I don't want to judge or be against anyone.. but it doesn't say if you are for me, you have to be against everyone who isn't, does it? It just says if you are not for him, you are against him... but not in those words. So I guess I'm alright. But how about..um.. I was thinking of the passage about being lukewarm. But now that I've read it, it still seems fine that I don't make any judgments against others due to their religious choices. It's not up to me, it's God's job. Revelation 3:14-22 � And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
and so he is talking much of hypocrisy. No that I have to have an opinion on something.

Boy I really am in a mood to type every thought that comes to mind. I know that nobody said anything to do with what I'm typing. It's just me thinking out "loud".

[xthunderx2]

Cool, Thunder, cause salvation comes through him.

Amen to that...:).......hallelujah

[The One.]

Yes, I'm Christian and I believe in Jesus.

[Earth_Song1]

Happy Sunday Christ followers!!

[Darvon1982]

I'm Catholic, so yes. I believe in Jesus. :)

me too

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

I'm a believer in the wholy LORD and his son who came on earth for a message. The LORD and Jesus Christ makes me any day stronger and with Michael on their side up there in heaven, I know he's in good hands.
One of my favorite parts of the bible is: The greatest of these is love.

I'm not going to the church anymore, but Jesus feels me trough my heart.

[Michelle MC]

I'm Catholic, so yes. I believe in Jesus. :)

I'm Catholic too, so I believe in Jesus.

[smoothcriminal12]

I'm a Christian. :)

[mjjfan4ever]

I believe in the Savior.

[HumbleHeart]

I'm a devout all-believing, Catholic. I never miss Mass, I believe in Christ whole-heartedly... All or nothing for me.

[Jstarr06]

Yes I believe in Jesus :D

[Courtney]

Yep! If it wasn't for my belief in Jesus, I don't know how I would have survived a lot of crap I've gone through.


I feel you on that one. :)

[xthunderx2]

Yup the only reason I have gotten through this stuff to is because I draw my strength from Jesus. Its a daily struggle but Jesus always makes me feel better. I know that Michael is up in Heaven with our Heavenly Father..:)

[Michelle MC]

I'm a Christian. :)


I know there tends to be confusion still. Catholics are Christians too because we believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior.

[HumbleHeart]

^^ Exactly

[MJsAngelOfMusic]

Latter Day Saint Here! (not to be confused with the crazy bunch in Utah) lol. They be trippin.:mello:

Yes, I believe in our Precious Lord Jesus Christ.:D

[Earth_Song1]

Latter Day Saint Here! (not to be confused with the crazy bunch in Utah) lol. They be trippin.:mello:

Yes, I believe in our Precious Lord Jesus Christ.:D

I LOVE the way you described that, MJsAngel!! :-)

[MJstarlight]

Yes I am Christian as well, I do believe :flowers:

[Earth_Song1]

Hey Shayla!!!

[Jmoney]

yes, I'm a believer

[Earth_Song1]

yes, i'm a believer

cool!!!

[KayHey]

Here's another one! :flowers: I don't know what I'd do without my faith. :pray:

[K.O.S.]

Anyone ever read about this before?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread149480/pg1

[Mariajoaosilva]

Oh yes i believe in jesus very much!

I'm 100% Catholic and it has been my faith in God,that has helped me dealing with my life and mooving on

[PlatinumMJFan]

Im a christian and currently studying with Jehovah's witnesses, but not sure what path to take. All I want to do is to please God

[DuranDuran]

I believe Jesus existed, but that he's the son of Joseph and not the "son of God" or that he was really God in a human disguise. I don't believe in Mary being a virgin or the resurrection, which were things created by the Roman church in the 400's AD, or technically before Jesus existed with Krishna and other stories.

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

Im a christian and currently studying with Jehovah's witnesses, but not sure what path to take. All I want to do is to please God

You will please God if you can make your decision. Whatever decision it will be, God will be on your side. But don't do it for God, because God will always love you wether you choose the path for your own or not.
The holy Lord will always be with you.

[The One.]

I love this "Father's Love Letter". My mum gave it to me on the day of my confirmation.


My Child,

You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me.John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11
For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23
And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is… Will you be my child? John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32

Love, Your Dad
Almighty God

[sheridan09]

Yep! If it wasn't for my belief in Jesus, I don't know how I would have survived a lot of crap I've gone through.
I can relate to that sentiment 100%!

[meena76]

Of, course. Jesus is my lord and savior. Don't know how I would make it every day with out him and the love, mercy, and blessings of God

[kazziedal]

I believe in Jesus Christ, The Divine Mercy

[kazziedal]

I love this "Father's Love Letter". My mum gave it to me on the day of my confirmation.


My Child,

You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me.John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11
For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23
And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is… Will you be my child? John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32

Love, Your Dad
Almighty God

wow I had never heard that before it's beautiful

[michaeljacksonmyhero]

I believe in God, the father all mighty, Creater of Heaven and Earth. :)

[drea97]

I am a Christian. I always put GOD FIRST in my life.

[FUJON]

Jesus is my Lord and Savior :)

[Rockin.]

I am Catholic, so yep! I'm a bad Catholic though.. I do neglect religion- I don't go to church anymore, I know I should.

But religion is important to me and I do pray and I always have God in my heart.

My faith has helped me though lots of bad things in my life, which I'm thankful for.

I've been thinking of starting to go to church again..

[Dangerous 1991 HIStory]

I am Catholic, so yep! I'm a bad Catholic though.. I do neglect religion, I don't go to church anymore, I know I should.

But religion is important to me and I do pray. My faith has helped me though lots of bad things in my life.

No! Churches mostly care for money, so you don't have to go there.

It is important feel god in your heart and to be a good human.

BTW, I'm atheist. :)

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

I am Catholic, so yep! I'm a bad Catholic though.. I do neglect religion- I don't go to church anymore, I know I should.

But religion is important to me and I do pray and I always have God in my heart.

My faith has helped me though lots of bad things in my life, which I'm thankful for.

I've been thinking of starting to go to church again..

You can go to the church again if you think it will helps;)
It will definately, because you are with the same people as you.
But don't forget, you can live without the church!
Jesus and God are always with you.
And no the church won't cost you alot of money. You can give some money, but if you think money isn't the way, you should give something away. Something what will help other people.
Such as love and hope.
God will always smile upon you, don't forget that!

[Courtney]

I am Catholic, so yep! I'm a bad Catholic though.. I do neglect religion- I don't go to church anymore, I know I should.

But religion is important to me and I do pray and I always have God in my heart.

My faith has helped me though lots of bad things in my life, which I'm thankful for.

I've been thinking of starting to go to church again..

I'm with you on that. I go to a catholic school, so we have church every month or every other but my family and I never go on our own. I always wondered why but I'm going to be driving soon so I want to start going to church. I feel like I need it right now.

I pray every night though and I wear a crucifix that I love very much. My faith has helped me through a lot of things. If it wasn't for God, I don't know how I'd be right now.

[CaribbeanQueen]

The One, thank you for posting that beautiful love letter! That was the most beautiful thing i've ever read. Ever. :wub: I'm gonna save it!



Yup the only reason I have gotten through this stuff to is because I draw my strength from Jesus. Its a daily struggle but Jesus always makes me feel better. I know that Michael is up in Heaven with our Heavenly Father..:)

I couldn't agree with you more :yes: I call on Christ for comfort. When I'm sad or upset or even afraid. He's always with us!

[Cris123]

Jesus is our salvation. I believe he will deliver us all from our pain. He is the way and the truth. Michael also believed in Jesus and I know he is now with him

[Courtney]

Jesus is our salvation. I believe he will deliver us all from our pain. He is the way and the truth. Michael also believed in Jesus and I know he is now with him

:yes:

Agreed.

[Sdeidjs]

I am pretty open minded (look outside the box) when it comes to religion...

Throughout the years...I have researched and studied many different cultures of religion and find them all very intriguing...

Born and raised a strict Irish Catholic and currently Catholic...

However, with no disrespect intended; I do not agree with every rule and regulation that has been passed down for eons.

:angel:We Are The World...Heal The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[The One.]

wow I had never heard that before it's beautiful


The One, thank you for posting that beautiful love letter! That was the most beautiful thing i've ever read. Ever. :wub: I'm gonna save it!

You're welcome :huggy:
You can find it here: http://www.fathersloveletter.com/ on different languages etc.

[Earth_Song1]

Greetings all!!

[Courtney]

Greetings all!!

Hello! :)
haha.

[KayHey]

Oh how lovely that love letter is! Thanks for posting. :)

[mjsexbomb]

I am also a christian, the lord is my life and i couldnt be without him. go is love

[Serenity3104]

:waving: I believe in Jesus Christ, I've accepted him as my Lord & Savior and without him I would be worse than I am :)

[Earth_Song1]

:waving: I believe in Jesus Christ, I've accepted him as my Lord & Savior and without him I would be worse than I am :)

Amen to that, Serenity!!

[2300jacksonst]

I am a Catholic and believe, my faith has got me through alot, and believe Christ saved my lie a number of times when I was very ill as a child.

Don't agree with Catholic church on alot though, I'd say I'm more a spiritual person than Catholic.

[Samtkaninchen]

I am Catholic, I believe in Jesus Christ, and my faith is important for me .
But I respect all other religious orientation because usually we all have our individual history that paved the way to our faith. :flowers:

[andythemisfit]

I am definitely back believing in God and Jesus again. Especially since I was brought up as a Brethren or German Baptist. And in my religion we practically continue the work of Jesus. It was Michael's death that made me go back and believe in God and Jesus again. I have to believe in them if I want to be in the same place with Michael.

Same here! I'm Catholic btw.

[Guido18]

I believe Jesus lived, dont believe he is holy.
I have no idea who or what god is, so don't believe in him/that

[Mechi]

Yes I do believe in God and Jesus Christ.

[MJ:rocksmyworld]

Yeah! Im a Christian, i absolutely believe in God/Jesus. However, i sometimes feel im more spritual than religious.

Not easy being a christian as a teenager though! :D

[Joyce]

I am a Christian.

[Earth_Song1]

God Bless all!!! Glad to see you!!!!

[Earth_Song1]

I am a Christian.

I am a longtime fan too, Joyce!!!

[Elena77]

I'm orthodox, i believe in Jesus Christ

[Earth_Song1]

Jesus is Lord!!

And one day, we will meet MJ there in Heaven!!

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

Everyone will meet MJ in Heaven once they passed away. If you are believing in Jesus, Allah or another one, or maybe none. God will open his gates to everyone, he will lead you into eternity.

[Agent M]

Everyone will meet MJ in Heaven once they passed away. If you are believing in Jesus, Allah or another one, or maybe none. God will open his gates to everyone, he will lead you into eternity.

That's a very politicial response.

[StaceyMJ]

Yes, another strong believer here. My beliefs keep me sane, and give me hope! This thread is comforting, thanks.

[respect77]

Jesus is the Lord. He is my Saviour and the Son of God!

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

That's a very politicial response.

Political, hmm I don't know.

[Redridinghood]

I am a born again Christian

[ameliajayne]

Yes, another strong believer here. My beliefs keep me sane, and give me hope! This thread is comforting, thanks.


same here:)

[jenny*]

i do believe in god and jesus.....
But not in a way the church is telling me, i life my christian life the way i think it,s right....

And at this moment i,m still a little angry with god.
He dissapoints me...
But wel....that happens in all good relations i think.

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

i do believe in god and jesus.....
But not in a way the church is telling me, i life my christian life the way i think it,s right....

And at this moment i,m still a little angry with god.
He dissapoints me...
But wel....that happens in all good relations i think.

Good for you you living your own christian way.
Why is God dissapointing you?

[jenny*]

By taking one of the most beautifull people away from me and the world.
That really makes me angry.
People like osama and other bad people still living, and michael is death.
I think that makes no sense at all.....
God wants to make this world a better place, isn,t it?
Why does he take the good ones instead of the bad ones?
If god was a human i would sue him!

but hey, who am i to judge.
jenny is just a little flo somewhere on this huge planet we call eart.

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

That's a interesting thing, Why would God take Michael away?
Alot of people are saying God took Michael away out of this crazy world, but I think that's just talk to relax yourself.
I think God didn't took Michael out of his life. Michael was too young, too talented, a father who didn't have to die. And God would know that.
It's to easy to judge God by taking lives from people.
Michael made a true message in his staying on Earth. He made us notice we should heal the world. I think it's up to us to heal the world.

These questions are just hard to answer.
:hug:

[jenny*]

that,s the frustrating thing.....
I don,t like god at the moment and think it,s okay to be honest about that.
Also i don,t pray that much anymore, he doesn,t listen....well he listen....but i think it,s useless for me to pray.

I talk to michael instead, and that is giving me more comfort then anything or anyone else...

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

God will always like you, despite you don't like him at the moment, He will love you.
It's only very good when you are honest, because God will know if you are lying or not.
Don't pray if you don't like, alot of people pray because they have to, but that's not good.

[smoothcriminal12]

By taking one of the most beautifull people away from me and the world.
That really makes me angry.
People like osama and other bad people still living, and michael is death.
I think that makes no sense at all.....
God wants to make this world a better place, isn,t it?
Why does he take the good ones instead of the bad ones?
If god was a human i would sue him!

but hey, who am i to judge.
jenny is just a little flo somewhere on this huge planet we call eart.

Apparently Michael turned Christian before he died. Maye God took him before he could stray away?

Continue to pray. God will always answer your prayers.

[Earth_Song1]

By taking one of the most beautifull people away from me and the world.
That really makes me angry.
People like osama and other bad people still living, and michael is death.
I think that makes no sense at all.....
God wants to make this world a better place, isn,t it?
Why does he take the good ones instead of the bad ones?
If god was a human i would sue him!

but hey, who am i to judge.
jenny is just a little flo somewhere on this huge planet we call eart.

Honey, both of my grandparents are gone now, and I am not angry at God over it. It's all of a part of his plan. We are born, we live, we die, and he knows from the very beginning when we are in our mother's when we will leave this earth. It was my grandparents times to go. I am not angry about it. I am happy that they are at peace. I miss them and love them still. It's a part of life, hun. Don't be angry with him. He loves you no matter what.

HUGS!!

[MJsPYT1]

i'm a Christian!!!!

[SUSIE.Q]

Another Catholic here - being Italian/Irish didn't throw up much of a choice.

But without it I'd probably have curled up and died a long time ago.

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu141/behindtheY/edward-kennedy.jpg
RIP Teddy

[144,000]

Yes. I believe in Him.

[K.O.S.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNau_Cdll3w&feature=fvw

[Michelle MC]

Apparently Michael turned Christian before he died. Maye God took him before he could stray away?

Continue to pray. God will always answer your prayers.


As I posted before, I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I am Catholic. Anyway, I hear all different religions that Michael was. First he was raised JW, then I heard he converted to Islam. Now a few here are saying he converted to Christianity. Somebody outside this forum who likes Michael's music asked me for a source of Michael's conversion to Christianity, which I don't know. Do you have a source at all that says he converted? Thanks in advance.

[AKAShannon]

I am a true believer! It is my believe in him that has brought me this far in my life and through my pain of missing MJ so much!

[Earth_Song1]

As I posted before, I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I am Catholic. Anyway, I hear all different religions that Michael was. First he was raised JW, then I heard he converted to Islam. Now a few here are saying he converted to Christianity. Somebody outside this forum who likes Michael's music asked me for a source of Michael's conversion to Christianity, which I don't know. Do you have a source at all that says he converted? Thanks in advance.

Michelle, I have no idea, hun. Maybe someone else here knows.

[SoS]

I do. I believe Christ is so very many things!! I believe Christ Jesus is the Truth (one sees when one meets Him), He is the Life (when one calls upon His name), He is the Way (when one follows his Spirit) Christ is the Resurrection (the miraculous living of all things "dead"), the Water of Life (when we drink Him in, we won't thirst again .... until we drink the waters of the world again..... then we drink Christ again we are completely satiated again) , I believe Jesus is the ultimate God-man, the God aspect because as a human, Jesus contained more God than any other human ever could as He was born of God, and the "man" aspect because Jesus is the only perfect man ever, because of being born of God. I believe Christ is the Universality of God's purpose for the earth - King of Kings to rule over God's Kingdom to come, for God's WILL, to be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven, the Kingdom, the Government, that will rest upon His shoulders, in which He will make all things new, and in which He will wipe away every tear, death will be NO MORE, neither sorrow nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain. I believe before its all over with, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The Alpha, Omega, First, Last ... Everything. Wonderful Counselor, Eternal Father ... oh I could go on and on ... yes I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. So many things He is, and so many things He's not. A doctrine, He is not. A religion He is not. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life in and of Himself. Christ is really all we need ...to get by. That's jmho. He shows us the way to everything else when we trust Him.

sorry ...long!! :D I love Him though... He's the Mostest! :yes:

[OffTheWall1979]

Of course I don't. I don't believe in fairy tales so why should I believe in this. Come on, there's not even proof he ever existed. Yeah, there are some documents, but only in the bible. Pretty interesting how a person that could walk on water, make blind people see etc is only documented in the bible. "But there are documents that came after", yes that are planted from christian people that has been proven...

[smoothcriminal12]

As I posted before, I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I am Catholic. Anyway, I hear all different religions that Michael was. First he was raised JW, then I heard he converted to Islam. Now a few here are saying he converted to Christianity. Somebody outside this forum who likes Michael's music asked me for a source of Michael's conversion to Christianity, which I don't know. Do you have a source at all that says he converted? Thanks in advance.

"Mary Mary (http://www.facebook.com/MaryMary?ref=mf) Last night we received some good news from Terri McFaddin-Solomon who is good friends with Sandra Crouch. Three weeks ago Sandra and Andre' spent some time with their close friend, Michael Jackson. Michael asked Andre` to play, "It Won'...;t Be Long And We'll Be Leaving Here." Michael then prayed with Sandra and Andre and accepted Christ into his heart. Now he's singing in the heavenly choir.! Our hearts rejoice!

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2009/06/was_michael_jac.html

[The One.]

I do. I believe Christ is so very many things!! I believe Christ Jesus is the Truth (one sees when one meets Him), He is the Life (when one calls upon His name), He is the Way (when one follows his Spirit) Christ is the Resurrection (the miraculous living of all things "dead"), the Water of Life (when we drink Him in, we won't thirst again .... until we drink the waters of the world again..... then we drink Christ again we are completely satiated again) , I believe Jesus is the ultimate God-man, the God aspect because as a human, Jesus contained more God than any other human ever could as He was born of God, and the "man" aspect because Jesus is the only perfect man ever, because of being born of God. I believe Christ is the Universality of God's purpose for the earth - King of Kings to rule over God's Kingdom to come, for God's WILL, to be done, on earth, as it is in Heaven, the Kingdom, the Government, that will rest upon His shoulders, in which He will make all things new, and in which He will wipe away every tear, death will be NO MORE, neither sorrow nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain. I believe before its all over with, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The Alpha, Omega, First, Last ... Everything. Wonderful Counselor, Eternal Father ... oh I could go on and on ... yes I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. So many things He is, and so many things He's not. A doctrine, He is not. A religion He is not. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life in and of Himself. Christ is really all we need ...to get by. That's jmho. He shows us the way to everything else when we trust Him.

sorry ...long!! :D I love Him though... He's the Mostest! :yes:
:huggy: God bless.

I wish my faith would be stronger than it is. I believe that Jesus is Lord and the son of God but sometimes.. I just have hard time following Him. I do my best though.

[Earth_Song1]

Of course I don't. I don't believe in fairy tales so why should I believe in this. Come on, there's not even proof he ever existed. Yeah, there are some documents, but only in the bible. Pretty interesting how a person that could walk on water, make blind people see etc is only documented in the bible. "But there are documents that came after", yes that are planted from christian people that has been proven...


Actually, I started this thread for Christians, like there is one for the Wiccan's and the non believers. I stay out of them to respect their threads, as I do not share their views on religion. That's why I made a thread Any Believers here, to call them in here. Please respect the Christians here. Jesus is not a fairy tale to us, he is real. Thank you!

I say these things with the utmost of sincerity! :-)

[Courtney]

Actually, I started this thread for Christians, like there is one for the Wiccan's and the non believers. I stay out of them to respect their threads, as I do not share their views on religion. That's why I made a thread Any Believers here, to call them in here. Please respect the Christians here. Jesus is not a fairy tale to us, he is real. Thank you!

I say these things with the utmost of sincerity! :-)


Amen to that!

There's an athiest thread for non-believers. Don't believe? Discuss it there. :)

[Michelle MC]

"Mary Mary (http://www.facebook.com/MaryMary?ref=mf) Last night we received some good news from Terri McFaddin-Solomon who is good friends with Sandra Crouch. Three weeks ago Sandra and Andre' spent some time with their close friend, Michael Jackson. Michael asked Andre` to play, "It Won'...;t Be Long And We'll Be Leaving Here." Michael then prayed with Sandra and Andre and accepted Christ into his heart. Now he's singing in the heavenly choir.! Our hearts rejoice!

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2009/06/was_michael_jac.html


Thank you very much for providing this link for me.

[MJFanForeverAndEver]

I believe in Jesus Christ.

[Earth_Song1]

Amen to that!

There's an athiest thread for non-believers. Don't believe? Discuss it there. :)

Amen, Courtney!!

[Jstarr06]

I honestly can say, that Christ proves himself in the lives of other people. When I see little acts of kindness, or people standing up for the "the little guy", I see Jesus. I really admire Michael b/c he had a very Christ-like attitude about the world. He wanted to do his part, and help it. It's what we are all charged to do.

[MJsPYT1]

I feel so comforted in my faith. Without it I don't know how I could have gotten by.

I can't go outside on a beautiful day, look up at the blue sky and clouds, see the waves on a beach, see the trees blowing in the wind, feel the sunlight on my skin- and feel that something divine wasnt behind it. We took God's creations and tried to decipher them, put our own names to it, and call it 'science'. I respect and am grateful for science (I'm a biology major!!! lol..and a religion minor!), but I know there is a God, and Jesus.
I cant support the fact that we were monkey's with animal instincts that changed to humans with free-will....that's just foolish to me.

I'm so happy I know what I know, and feel the way I feel :yes:

[Courtney]

I honestly can say, that Christ proves himself in the lives of other people. When I see little acts of kindness, or people standing up for the "the little guy", I see Jesus. I really admire Michael b/c he had a very Christ-like attitude about the world. He wanted to do his part, and help it. It's what we are all charged to do.

Very good way of looking at it. I agree. That's one of the reasons I really admire Michael and was inspired by him also. He was, in a way, a Christ-Like figure (not saying he was Jesus). He tried to carry on Jesus' "work" to love and help people. I think that's one of the reasons my faith in God and Jesus has greatly grown because I used to question my faith a lot.


I feel so comforted in my faith. Without it I don't know how I could have gotten by.

I can't go outside on a beautiful day, look up at the blue sky and clouds, see the waves on a beach, see the trees blowing in the wind, feel the sunlight on my skin- and feel that something divine wasnt behind it. We took God's creations and tried to decipher them, put our own names to it, and call it 'science'. I respect and am grateful for science (I'm a biology major!!! lol..and a religion minor!), but I know there is a God, and Jesus.
I cant support the fact that we were monkey's with animal instincts that changed to humans with free-will....that's just foolish to me.

I'm so happy I know what I know, and feel the way I feel :yes:

Great post. I agree!

[SoS]

I honestly can say, that Christ proves himself in the lives of other people. When I see little acts of kindness, or people standing up for the "the little guy", I see Jesus. I really admire Michael b/c he had a very Christ-like attitude about the world. He wanted to do his part, and help it. It's what we are all charged to do. Yes, MJ let the world know he was following Christ's example. I agree, that's what we all are charged to do.


Originally Posted by Earth_Song1 http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/grunge/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2151381#post2151381)
Actually, I started this thread for Christians, like there is one for the Wiccan's and the non believers. I stay out of them to respect their threads, as I do not share their views on religion. That's why I made a thread Any Believers here, to call them in here. Please respect the Christians here. Jesus is not a fairy tale to us, he is real. Thank you!

I say these things with the utmost of sincerity! :-)
That was very well put. :flowers:

Imho, its kind of like how someone would say you or I are not "real" when they have simply not met us yet so therefore we are not real to them.

It also reminds me of something else, to use a purely human example, (since we're on a MJ fan board I'll use MJ) - - When people say, without any "experience" of MJ what-so-ever, that Michael Jackson "is" this or that (pedophile?) or "isn't" this or that (a decent, hard working, heterosexual male?) they have no idea of what they're talking about.

When it comes to Michael, it doesn't much matter whether those among MJ "believers" have talked to him face to face, have just seen him on a stage, just caught a glimpse of him in a crowd, or just became 'touched' at a soul level by his words and music - the truth is imho, any of those "experiences" of him are enough for them to 'know' him in a way they did not before, and in a way that "non-believers" cannot possibly and when we hear "past-haters" say they finally "experienced" MJ for themselves they also say they became staunch in their "faith" in him or at least felt they had a new "experience" of him than before.

When it comes to Jesus, some experienced Jesus only through His words in the bible, or only by seeing Jesus walking passed, or by only touching the hem of his garment in a crowd, but when they did, they had an "experience" of Him that those who did not experience Him could not possibly know, and any "doubts" they may have ever had, were changed to faith.

Those who have "experienced" Michael, realize him as being a special, gifted, blessed, generous, sweeter than average, altruistic, well-intended human being.

Those who experienced Christ "realized" Him as being the very Son of God.

Even those who have only "experienced" Jesus in Spirit know He is the Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth. Therefore they had no choice but to "believe".

Even those who've experience Jesus only through the Words of the Bible, (as with Michael through only his music) experience Christ's power - causing them to "know" Him in a new way.

I feel that everything we experience "informs" us of something.

"Experiencing" MJ 'informs' us that, contrary to his "larger than life" image (due to publicity), he is as human as any human can be - - and so, experiencing Christ informs us that without a doubt - He is the Son of the Living God.

I guess I'm saying (in a long way, sorry) that imho, a person who has no experience of Christ, is like a 'hater' who has no "experience" of MJ.

Hope that analogy is ok with all believers in Christ and hope it makes sense. Just trying to help any "non-believers" visiting this thread to understand how we could 'see' something in Christ they cannot see.

We know Him. You don't. :D but give it time - if you remain open, you might just get to meet/experience Him some day too. :yes:


:huggy: God bless.

I wish my faith would be stronger than it is. I believe that Jesus is Lord and the son of God but sometimes.. I just have hard time following Him. I do my best though.aw thank you! God bless you too :hug:

That's the greatest challenge isn't it. Thank God His Grace is sufficient for us, even as we pray for Him to, "increase our faith - day by day."

That reminds me of a song I loved as a kid which I guess I'll share it since my post is this long! :lol:

one of my favorites from a Broadway musical from the 70s... hope y'all like it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdEuwqlZdto

and here it by one of my favorite hit groups from the 70s, the Fifth Dimension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4IkZasB7NE&feature=related

enjoy

:flowers:

[Earth_Song1]

JStarr06, very well said my friend!!!

People can't take away my joy, which is Jesus Christ!!

[Jstarr06]

I feel so comforted in my faith. Without it I don't know how I could have gotten by.

I can't go outside on a beautiful day, look up at the blue sky and clouds, see the waves on a beach, see the trees blowing in the wind, feel the sunlight on my skin- and feel that something divine wasnt behind it. We took God's creations and tried to decipher them, put our own names to it, and call it 'science'. I respect and am grateful for science (I'm a biology major!!! lol..and a religion minor!), but I know there is a God, and Jesus.
I cant support the fact that we were monkey's with animal instincts that changed to humans with free-will....that's just foolish to me.

I'm so happy I know what I know, and feel the way I feel :yes:

I agree. I am glad you pointed out that, you can reconcile faith, intellectualism, and science. Not all the time, but a person can make all three work together.


Yes, MJ let the world know he was following Christ's example. I agree, that's what we all are charged to do.

That was very well put. :flowers:

Imho, its kind of like how someone would say you or I are not "real" when they have simply not met us yet so therefore we are not real to them.

It also reminds me of something else, to use a purely human example, (since we're on a MJ fan board I'll use MJ) - - When people say, without any "experience" of MJ what-so-ever, that Michael Jackson "is" this or that (pedophile?) or "isn't" this or that (a decent, hard working, heterosexual male?) they have no idea of what they're talking about.

When it comes to Michael, it doesn't much matter whether those among MJ "believers" have talked to him face to face, have just seen him on a stage, just caught a glimpse of him in a crowd, or just became 'touched' at a soul level by his words and music - the truth is imho, any of those "experiences" of him are enough for them to 'know' him in a way they did not before, and in a way that "non-believers" cannot possibly and when we hear "past-haters" say they finally "experienced" MJ for themselves they also say they became staunch in their "faith" in him or at least felt they had a new "experience" of him than before.

When it comes to Jesus, some experienced Jesus only through His words in the bible, or only by seeing Jesus walking passed, or by only touching the hem of his garment in a crowd, but when they did, they had an "experience" of Him that those who did not experience Him could not possibly know, and any "doubts" they may have ever had, were changed to faith.

Those who have "experienced" Michael, realize him as being a special, gifted, blessed, generous, sweeter than average, altruistic, well-intended human being.

Those who experienced Christ "realized" Him as being the very Son of God.

Even those who have only "experienced" Jesus in Spirit know He is the Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth. Therefore they had no choice but to "believe".

Even those who've experience Jesus only through the Words of the Bible, (as with Michael through only his music) experience Christ's power - causing them to "know" Him in a new way.

I feel that everything we experience "informs" us of something.

"Experiencing" MJ 'informs' us that, contrary to his "larger than life" image (due to publicity), he is as human as any human can be - - and so, experiencing Christ informs us that without a doubt - He is the Son of the Living God.

I guess I'm saying (in a long way, sorry) that imho, a person who has no experience of Christ, is like a 'hater' who has no "experience" of MJ.

Hope that analogy is ok with all believers in Christ and hope it makes sense. Just trying to help any "non-believers" visiting this thread to understand how we could 'see' something in Christ they cannot see.

We know Him. You don't. :D but give it time - if you remain open, you might just get to meet/experience Him some day too. :yes:

aw thank you! God bless you too :hug:

That's the greatest challenge isn't it. Thank God His Grace is sufficient for us, even as we pray for Him to, "increase our faith - day by day."

That reminds me of a song I loved as a kid which I guess I'll share it since my post is this long! :lol:

one of my favorites from a Broadway musical from the 70s... hope y'all like it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdEuwqlZdto

and here it by one of my favorite hit groups from the 70s, the Fifth Dimension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4IkZasB7NE&feature=related

enjoy

:flowers:

That's a great example.


JStarr06, veey well said my friend!!!

People can't take away my joy, which is Jesus Christ!!

Thanx Earth! Praise Him!

[Michelle MC]

I love this thread so much. Thanks for starting it. :)
Truly our God is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaU6EMR37NA&feature=related

Same song, but there are Bible verses here too with the lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqOKRwfiAd8&feature=related

[Earth_Song1]

You all are awesome!!!

StateOfShock, LOVE your post!!!!

[Earth_Song1]

I love this thread so much. Thanks for starting it. :)
Truly our God is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaU6EMR37NA&feature=related

Same song, but there are Bible verses here too with the lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqOKRwfiAd8&feature=related

Your welcome, Michelle!! God Bless you!!

[Michelle MC]

This is such a nice song and timely regarding Michael. I'm not trying to depress anyone and I'm sorry if I put this in the wrong thread and forum, but it's a Christian song for sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFM4jZasvs&feature=related

[Michelle MC]

Your welcome, Michelle!! God Bless you!!

Earth Song, I thought it was you who started it. I was too lazy to go back and look. I apologize.
So I'll say it again. Thank you, Earth Song1, for starting this wonderful thread. I've grown up with emphasis on addressing someone by name, and I'm sorry I was too lazy to look at the first post. I was enjoying my youtube videos which are really helping me now.
God bless you too, Earth Song.

[Michelle MC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPak974r1c8&feature=PlayList&p=2E6C6E318B87D517&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

You know, ever since Michael passed away, and by watching how he has been mistreated, I've come to know even more how cruel this world is. Because of that, I just want Jesus to come and end all the misery here. We are meant to be with Him anyway. It's depressing thinking how cruel people can be. :(

[Louise.]

I'm a Christian, so yes, I believe in Jesus Christ. :)

[Earth_Song1]

Earth Song, I thought it was you who started it. I was too lazy to go back and look. I apologize.
So I'll say it again. Thank you, Earth Song1, for starting this wonderful thread. I've grown up with emphasis on addressing someone by name, and I'm sorry I was too lazy to look at the first post. I was enjoying my youtube videos which are really helping me now.
God bless you too, Earth Song.

No problem, Michelle!! Have you seen my MJ tribute vid? My channel is Quartermaine4Ever on youtube. Look me up!!

Hugs!!!

[NinaB]

I'm a Christian and Jesus is my Lord and Savior!
:)

[Michelle MC]

No problem, Michelle!! Have you seen my MJ tribute vid? My channel is Quartermaine4Ever on youtube. Look me up!!

Hugs!!!


How do I look you up?

[Earth_Song1]

How do I look you up?

In the search thing on youtube, just type my channel name which is Quartermaine4Ever

[Michelle MC]

In the search thing on youtube, just type my channel name which is Quartermaine4Ever


Thank you.

[Earth_Song1]

No problem, Michelle!!

[ShadowMaster]

just to mention...yes. i am . i'm christian-ortodoxe...but in my heart i'm more spiritual than religious...

[blue_eyed_belle]

I have believed in God all my life, but have come to know Jesus in the last 6 years or so. I love him with all my heart, and believe that he died on the cross to free us from sin. :)

[Michelle MC]

I have believed in God all my life, but have come to know Jesus in the last 6 years or so. I love him with all my heart, and believe that he died on the cross to free us from sin. :)

Jesus is very lovable!

[Earth_Song1]

jesus is very lovable!

amen!!

[SoS]

Jesus is very lovable!
Sweet way to say it. :D :) I love that. Its so true.

[SoS]

I love Jesus. I don't always know what I believe about him but I love him. I do believe he died so that our sins could be forgiven. I feel sad when I sin, knowing that it would hurt him so much. I love God the father too, and our Holy Spirit.

I don't want to judge or condemn anyone else who follows another religion, and I'm thankful that it's really not my job to. God made us all. We are all his children. None of us have the total truth and answer and knowledge..but we can have God's spirit to guide us at least.

It sometimes seems so simple, but can get so complicated. I wonder, is it us who complicated it, or is it really as complex as it seems. Like.. I don't want to judge or be against anyone.. but it doesn't say if you are for me, you have to be against everyone who isn't, does it? It just says if you are not for him, you are against him... but not in those words. So I guess I'm alright. But how about..um.. I was thinking of the passage about being lukewarm. But now that I've read it, it still seems fine that I don't make any judgments against others due to their religious choices. It's not up to me, it's God's job. Revelation 3:14-22 � And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
and so he is talking much of hypocrisy. No that I have to have an opinion on something.

Boy I really am in a mood to type every thought that comes to mind. I know that nobody said anything to do with what I'm typing. It's just me thinking out "loud".


:hugs: I love you A, you feel the same way I do about so many things and you express my feelings so well!! :giggle:

I so appreciate this thread! Its really right on time. Thank you and bless you for starting it ...!! and I love your user name!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one of my very favorite songs in the world, another one from MJ's heart that sometimes makes me feel I wrote it myself. Kind of like Ape, reading my heart and expressing it so much better than I sometimes feel I can, or hitting on so many more spiritu/emotio synapses ... did I spell that entire made up phrase correctly? :giggle:

ineeeooo

This thread makes me feel better. Its just simple plain old love for Jesus Christ. I like that :D :flowers: bless you bless you bless you my friend

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Earth_Song1]

I am glad you like my thread!!

God Bless you all!!

[Courtney]

I have a question:

What do you do when you start questioning your faith? I do this often and I get really sad and doubtful. I do believe in Jesus but I doubt God quite often and I start thinking twice about the bible sometimes too...

[SoS]

I feel so comforted in my faith. Without it I don't know how I could have gotten by.

I can't go outside on a beautiful day, look up at the blue sky and clouds, see the waves on a beach, see the trees blowing in the wind, feel the sunlight on my skin- and feel that something divine wasnt behind it. We took God's creations and tried to decipher them, put our own names to it, and call it 'science'. I respect and am grateful for science (I'm a biology major!!! lol..and a religion minor!), but I know there is a God, and Jesus.
I cant support the fact that we were monkey's with animal instincts that changed to humans with free-will....that's just foolish to me.

I'm so happy I know what I know, and feel the way I feel :yes:I love reading this post. I feel the same way. You said it very well! I sit in front of the window at work with a clear view to the open blue sky, peppered with tops of some of the most unique and individuated hi-rises and sky scrapers, both old and new, with a perfect frame of the greenest green trees, so lustrous and lush, and the sky is doing different things all at the same time, on one side blue as the royalest lightish blue, and on the other side greyish blue-grey, with clouds that differ in color and shape ... its fascinating .. one time we had a complete and absolutely perfect rainbow with every color in the scheme, which had a wonderfully high, complete curverture of an arch, that extended from one side of the entire city to the other. I've noticed that each rainbow I've seen in recent months have been at a moment when I had a complete, clear and perfect pan-view of the city.

He is the first-born of ALL CREATION!!! Praise the Lord Christ.

Hallelu-jah! Praise Jah!! All love and praises to the Holy Spirit.

The triune reality of God n Christ.

[*~Tink~*]

I am a liberal Christian. I believe others may have their own paths back home and honor and respect the Truth in all paths. I believe we can call God 'Father' or 'Krishna' or 'Buddha' etc and that He takes all calls from all faiths.

For me, on my path, I have been experiencing joy and commitment to Jesus. Actually Michael brought me back to Jesus after a long walk through Eastern thought. I cannot really find a church so far which thinks along these lines, so I worship at home.

[Earth_Song1]

I am a liberal Christian. I believe others may have their own paths back home and honor and respect the Truth in all paths. I believe we can call God 'Father' or 'Krishna' or 'Buddha' etc and that He takes all calls from all faiths.

For me, on my path, I have been experiencing joy and commitment to Jesus. Actually Michael brought me back to Jesus after a long walk through Eastern thought. I cannot really find a church so far which thinks along these lines, so I worship at home.

Hey Tink,

I worship at home too, as I find a church to have a lot of people talk about you and spread your business all over. That happened to me, and I never went back.

However, I don't call God Buddha. That's a whole other religion. I know Buddhists and they don't believe in Christ. They pray to Buddha.

HUGS!!

[SoS]

I have a question:

What do you do when you start questioning your faith? I do this often and I get really sad and doubtful. I do believe in Jesus but I doubt God quite often and I start thinking twice about the bible sometimes too...First of all, I love your signature. :yes: :wub:

Secondly, *smacks face to re-group*

I wonder what you're meaning by 'doubting' God and also, 'doubting' the bible. Do you mean you doubt sometimes there is a God? or do you doubt sometimes that maybe God 'can't' do something you feel needs to be done? or do you mean, you sometimes doubt that God really gives a flyin flip about little ole you? or ... :D you get the idea ... what are you feeling God isn't, or wouldn't or couldn't or doesn't or ... :lol: y'knowww

As for the bible, I guess maybe you mean sometimes you doubt if the bible is truly the inspired Word of God. Not 100% certain that's what you mean but assuming it is ... I can only share with you what is so, - about it for me and I don't mind sharing ..

When I have ever felt that feeling it has centered around which of the bible scholars probably had it correct since they all disagree about some things ...until I realized that there are certain things (Paul tells us) that God really doesn't care about . One of those things is "divisions". No division amid the spiritual body of Christ is amid the most important distinctions I felt I could ever get. The most important thing to Christ that we agree on is Love. "That you all speak in agreement" means let the mouth be moved by the Holy Spirit when you are among yourselves. Its the Love that identifies us as "his disciples" more than anything which of course makes that yet another saving Grace he gives ..."his Grace is sufficient for us" even as we search for a peaceful, bless-ed assurance ...

Another thing for me and I feel the most important thing is the truth inherent in the verse that says, "God's word is alive, and exerts power, and is sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing, even to the dividing of soul from spirit"

The actual reality of that is what it is and I have found that very thing to be the miracle that restores my faithfilled understanding that it is God's word. Because of the power it exerts when I read it, take it in, allow it to speak to my spirit.

A friend shared with me a great "trick" to getting the word into oneself intrinsically and touching the Divine Source Itself, and that is "pray-reading" the Word.

Meaning that with each word, each individuated word that's being read out loud, there is a pause between words being read from the scripture and that pause is filled in with a prayer-word like, "amen!", "hallelujah!", for example:

Our ("amen!") Father ("amen!") which ("hallelujah!") art ("amen") in (hallelujah!!) Heaven ("amen") ..........etc. and before ya know it, yur spirit is filled with "the power" that God's Word is.

Its my experience - hope it encourages you somehow. :flowers:

oh p.s.

It works great when you're in a bind of some kind. Find a part in the bible that "speaks" to that very situation (and if you relax and open the bible in an open state of being, oftentimes God will take you directly to the Word you need) and pray-read that Word you find, whether you found it on your own by searching the concordance, or with the help of the Holy Spirit, whichever way you find it isn't important, and when you find it, pray-read it when you read it. Your spirit will guide you as to whether to do it again or to keep doing it until you 'get' it ... the power that is ... keep doing it if you don't get it ........it will come .. the assurance that wasn't there before you did it ... that's what I mean by the power. The Word will give you that bless-ed assurance you need in that situation......................................... .............................whatever it is. :yes:

Some things I write so I can read them. Thank you for asking the question! :flowers:

EarthSong!! I LOVE your siggy!! :D

Tink, I LOVED that second post of yours too! :flowers:

[*~Tink~*]

Hey Tink,

I worship at home too, as I find a church to have a lot of people talk about you and spread your business all over. That happened to me, and I never went back.

However, I don't call God Buddha. That's a whole other religion. I know Buddhists and they don't believe in Christ. They pray to Buddha.

HUGS!!

Hi : )

That's terrible about the gossiping that can happen. Of all places, church should not be for that purpose! People can be so silly. I understand why you would hesitate to return!

You're right that Buddhists may not believe in Jesus. Buddhists can also be atheist but did you know Buddha himself was a theist? I find that kind of interesting.

What I mean is, I can say how God is revealing Himself to me, in my heart and life right now is through Jesus. But I also feel God might reveal essentially the same Truths- peace, love, kindness, compassion- to someone who's cultural persuation may be different than mine... and essentially I feel God will answer the door for us all. Just as people speak many languages, I feel the Truth can be spoken in different languages to different people. Yet, just as we all understand facial expressions and laughter and tears the same... then we all arrive at a similar Truth via our own spiritual language.

That said though, I will say I have always had a huge place in my life and heart for Jesus. I am reading on the bible now and find such tremendous joy!

hugs back!!! :D

[Earth_Song1]

Hi : )

That's terrible about the gossiping that can happen. Of all places, church should not be for that purpose! People can be so silly. I understand why you would hesitate to return!

You're right that Buddhists may not believe in Jesus. Buddhists can also be atheist but did you know Buddha himself was a theist? I find that kind of interesting.

What I mean is, I can say how God is revealing Himself to me, in my heart and life right now is through Jesus. But I also feel God might reveal essentially the same Truths- peace, love, kindness, compassion- to someone who's cultural persuation may be different than mine... and essentially I feel God will answer the door for us all. Just as people speak many languages, I feel the Truth can be spoken in different languages to different people. Yet, just as we all understand facial expressions and laughter and tears the same... then we all arrive at a similar Truth via our own spiritual language.

That said though, I will say I have always had a huge place in my life and heart for Jesus. I am reading on the bible now and find such tremendous joy!

hugs back!!! :D

I love your post!!!

HUGS!!!

[SoS]

I am a liberal Christian. I believe others may have their own paths back home and honor and respect the Truth in all paths. I believe we can call God 'Father' or 'Krishna' or 'Buddha' etc and that He takes all calls from all faiths.

For me, on my path, I have been experiencing joy and commitment to Jesus. Actually Michael brought me back to Jesus after a long walk through Eastern thought. I cannot really find a church so far which thinks along these lines, so I worship at home.I would love to hear more about this.

Especially how Michael brought you to Jesus!! Please share!! :D will ya :flowers: huh will ya :flowers:

Michael brought me to the bible, or at least I feel God did, via him. Right now its a long story cause its so late, but yeh whenever u feel to share yours, I'd love to hear about it. Its so interesting to hear similiar experiences of Michael. Somehow its so upbuilding for some reason.

We are here to "encourage one another in love". I guess that's why we are also encouraged in sharing our love for Michael Jackson. It still fascinates me though :giggle: how so many people are committed to loving this guy so much and to such important degrees as bringing us to God. So many share this experience. It probably will never cease to amaze me.

[*~Tink~*]

I love your post!!!

HUGS!!!

Thanks!!! I'm so glad I found this thread! It is very inspiring!!

HUGS!!! :D

[Courtney]

First of all, I love your signature. :yes: :wub:

Secondly, *smacks face to re-group*

I wonder what you're meaning by 'doubting' God and also, 'doubting' the bible. Do you mean you doubt sometimes there is a God? or do you doubt sometimes that maybe God 'can't' do something you feel needs to be done? or do you mean, you sometimes doubt that God really gives a flyin flip about little ole you? or ... :D you get the idea ... what are you feeling God isn't, or wouldn't or couldn't or doesn't or ... :lol: y'knowww....

.......oh p.s.

It works great when you're in a bind of some kind. Find a part in the bible that "speaks" to that very situation (and if you relax and open the bible in an open state of being, oftentimes God will take you directly to the Word you need) and pray-read that Word you find, whether you found it on your own by searching the concordance, or with the help of the Holy Spirit, whichever way you find it isn't important, and when you find it, pray-read it when you read it. Your spirit will guide you as to whether to do it again or to keep doing it until you 'get' it ... the power that is ... keep doing it if you don't get it ........it will come .. the assurance that wasn't there before you did it ... that's what I mean by the power. The Word will give you that bless-ed assurance you need in that situation......................................... .............................whatever it is. :yes:

Some things I write so I can read them. Thank you for asking the question! :flowers:

Thanks so much for answering. And thanks about my sig too. hehe. :)

I think the reason I "doubt" the bible is because I've been having a hard time believing in God. The bible is inspired by "God." I mean, Michael's death really strengthened my faith but I feel it all going back down again into how I felt about it all before. Sometimes I think about there being a God and laugh at myself for thinking such a thing. But then I think, "There's HAS to be, there just has to be." I DO believe in an afterlife, I just don't think we all go to this bright shining place and meet God and stuff. I believe we do go somewhere but with God? I'm not so sure how I feel about that. Some days I believe in God and then I start really thinking too much about it. Ok, now it probably sounds like I'm rambling. It's hard to explain. It's kind of like this: I believe in God and then I don't. If that makes any sense at all. I've never had any "experiences" or anything. Nothing. I know the key is to believe as what my teacher keeps telling me but it's so hard to have such a strong faith in that. Then I look around at the world and I sometimes look at that as "proof" of God. I know I'm one in 6 billion but I pray every night and I don't feel anything afterward but I keep praying in hope that I can find something. You know what I mean? I have faith, just not a whole lot of it. I guess I feel that "God" or whoever it may be isn't listening to me. Like I said, I know I'm one in 6 billion, but still...

I DO believe in Jesus. I really do. I don't know why it is I can believe in Jesus but not God. It's just so hard to explain but sometimes I get really scared when I start doubting because it makes me fear death.

Sorry to post something like this here. But I really need to let it out.

[*~Tink~*]

I would love to hear more about this. Michael brought me to the bible, or at least I feel God did, via him. Right now its a long story cause its so late, but yeh whenever u feel to share yours, I'd love to hear about it. Its so interesting to hear similiar experiences of Michael. Somehow its so upbuilding for some reason.

We are here to "encourage one another in love". I guess that's why we are also encouraged in sharing our love for Michael Jackson. It still fascinates me though :giggle: how so many people are committed to loving this guy so much and to such important degrees as bringing us to God. So many share this experience. It probably will never cease to amaze me.

This is amazing to read!! Connecting through Jesus as Michael's birthday wraps is just a wonderful end to this day. I will write out my story, and I would also love to hear yours, very much so. This is so beautiful. I feel Michael watching over us, I truly do! I will share my story tomorrow. :)

[Earth_Song1]

Courtney, I feel sometimes when I pray for something and God does not answer fast enough, I become frustrated. But I do know now that he answers in His time, and in His time only.

The best thing about Jesus is He is Faithful! And He forgives and accepts us how we are, even when we doubt things.

[Earth_Song1]

This is amazing to read!! Connecting through Jesus as Michael's birthday wraps is just a wonderful end to this day. I will write out my story, and I would also love to hear yours, very much so. This is so beautiful. I feel Michael watching over us, I truly do! I will share my story tomorrow. :)

I have a group for MJ to remember his life and legacy, If you're interested, I will send you the link. Just PM me.

[Earth_Song1]

Happy Sunday!!! Be blessed today!!

[The One.]

Thanks so much for answering. And thanks about my sig too. hehe. :)

I think the reason I "doubt" the bible is because I've been having a hard time believing in God. The bible is inspired by "God." I mean, Michael's death really strengthened my faith but I feel it all going back down again into how I felt about it all before. Sometimes I think about there being a God and laugh at myself for thinking such a thing. But then I think, "There's HAS to be, there just has to be." I DO believe in an afterlife, I just don't think we all go to this bright shining place and meet God and stuff. I believe we do go somewhere but with God? I'm not so sure how I feel about that. Some days I believe in God and then I start really thinking too much about it. Ok, now it probably sounds like I'm rambling. It's hard to explain. It's kind of like this: I believe in God and then I don't. If that makes any sense at all. I've never had any "experiences" or anything. Nothing. I know the key is to believe as what my teacher keeps telling me but it's so hard to have such a strong faith in that. Then I look around at the world and I sometimes look at that as "proof" of God. I know I'm one in 6 billion but I pray every night and I don't feel anything afterward but I keep praying in hope that I can find something. You know what I mean? I have faith, just not a whole lot of it. I guess I feel that "God" or whoever it may be isn't listening to me. Like I said, I know I'm one in 6 billion, but still...

I DO believe in Jesus. I really do. I don't know why it is I can believe in Jesus but not God. It's just so hard to explain but sometimes I get really scared when I start doubting because it makes me fear death.

Sorry to post something like this here. But I really need to let it out.

Hi there, I feel excactly the same way as you!
I do believe in Jesus Christ and I do believe in God, most of all I want to believe. But sometimes when I start to think my faith too much I begin to doubt is my faith real etc. I hate it when I do it because I don't want to doubt God's existence or whatever, I want to believe in Him, and I do believe in him, but I can't help it that sometimes I start doubting..
I also pray every night but haven't had any "experiences", I wish I could, to strenghten my faith.
I love to read stories from other Christians who tell their experiences with God or anything related to religion because that proves me that there is God and it also gives me more faith. I have also learned that reading bible helps a lot (maybe it should be evident that you read the Bible but I've only read it occasionally) When I start doubting, reading Bible comforts me very much. I just should read it more often.

[Courtney]

Hi there, I feel excactly the same way as you!
I do believe in Jesus Christ and I do believe in God, most of all I want to believe. But sometimes when I start to think my faith too much I begin to doubt is my faith real etc. I hate it when I do it because I don't want to doubt God's existence or whatever, I want to believe in Him, and I do believe in him, but I can't help it that sometimes I start doubting..
I also pray every night but haven't had any "experiences", I wish I could, to strenghten my faith.
I love to read stories from other Christians who tell their experiences with God or anything related to religion because that proves me that there is God and it also gives me more faith. I have also learned that reading bible helps a lot (maybe it should be evident that you read the Bible but I've only read it occasionally) When I start doubting, reading Bible comforts me very much. I just should read it more often.

Thank you. Glad somebody else feels the same way. It's more like wanting to believe in him more than anything. I do believe in him because I want to believe that there's something out there but then I get to really thinking about it.
I love reading experience stories too because it does bring comfort but I don't know how much of that I can truely believe because what if some it is coming from their head you know? It all just seems too good to be true and yet, I find myself wanting to believe it. I guess you know when you really get your chance to experience it but I have a feel the only way I'll ever know is when I die. Which scares me even more.
But I love Jesus and I pray to him all the time. It gives me hope. I've found Jesus, why can't I find God?

Some of the stories in the bible are a bit exaggerated so sometimes it gets hard for me to take it seriously at some points but I do enjoy reading it as I find it really interesting. We studied the Old Testament last year and it was quite interesting and a lot of it does make sense.

[SoS]

Thanks so much for answering. And thanks about my sig too. hehe. :)

I think the reason I "doubt" the bible is because I've been having a hard time believing in God. The bible is inspired by "God." I mean, Michael's death really strengthened my faith but I feel it all going back down again into how I felt about it all before. Sometimes I think about there being a God and laugh at myself for thinking such a thing. But then I think, "There's HAS to be, there just has to be." I DO believe in an afterlife, I just don't think we all go to this bright shining place and meet God and stuff. I believe we do go somewhere but with God? I'm not so sure how I feel about that. Some days I believe in God and then I start really thinking too much about it. Ok, now it probably sounds like I'm rambling. It's hard to explain. It's kind of like this: I believe in God and then I don't. If that makes any sense at all. I've never had any "experiences" or anything. Nothing. I know the key is to believe as what my teacher keeps telling me but it's so hard to have such a strong faith in that. Then I look around at the world and I sometimes look at that as "proof" of God. I know I'm one in 6 billion but I pray every night and I don't feel anything afterward but I keep praying in hope that I can find something. You know what I mean? I have faith, just not a whole lot of it. I guess I feel that "God" or whoever it may be isn't listening to me. Like I said, I know I'm one in 6 billion, but still...

I DO believe in Jesus. I really do. I don't know why it is I can believe in Jesus but not God. It's just so hard to explain but sometimes I get really scared when I start doubting because it makes me fear death.

Sorry to post something like this here. But I really need to let it out.
I loved your post! So candid and seemed so easily expressed. For me its the creation itself, every bit of it makes it clear to me that there is a Master Intelligence operating this universe. This Intelligence created a human being to have a pumping system that goes on and on and the things of creation creates archtypes for man made necessities ... that fasinates me .. that this Master Mind Intelligent Creator created man to duplicate His works by using His prototypes to make everything we need! lol :D Makes me go, 'wow' and I guess the fact that so many varieties of things are created ... pigeons with three orange toes that look like twigs :lol: head jutts forward with each step they take :lmao: This Great Creator sometimes just cracks me up! and he made them look gentle like doves as they pepper large urban cities with reminders of God's love, creation and caring for us, that we never forget Him. That's all I feel God really wants from man - to be acknowledged in the ways that matter to Him.

There's a scripture where it says he has numbered the hairs on your head. Do you believe that I wonder, just curious for the sake of discussion. I believe it for the simple reason that those planets do exactly what they are 'supposed' to do without any help from anything, in complete synchronity, without fail, ever, and so do the sun and the moon ....

Quick story to demonstrate acknowledging the creation and directly experiencing God ..

My mother was about to get into her car and pick me up at the grocery store and as I was sitting on a bench in front of the grocery store underneath the big awning, looking up at the drizzly overcast sky which I love to see .... love to see the sky ...and so, suddenly from nowhere there began a torrential downpour of huge drops of seemingly endless rain, a downpour so vast that people were not even willing to try to go running to their cars - and I seriously didn't want my mother coming out in it, so I tried to call her back and she'd already left apparantly just before the sudden downpour ... and so I looked up at the sky and acknowledged with my spirit that beautiful charcoal grey ... and I said, "oooooooooo please, please, please please please stop the rain just so mama can get down here in peace ok?" and as sure as you are reading this, and in this amount of time, the rain had stopped. I just looked up there and with my heart acknowledged that clearer sky and just burst into laughter and said, "God, you're so funny! ooooo Thank You thank you thank you!!" I'm pretty sure that's what I said ....anyway ... all that to say, ", He listens, he hears, he really does. I think He's sometimes like a friend who you talk to and kinda just ramble about things and they hear you but they look they're just barely there - maybe its kind of like that lol.

I do believe he's numbered every hair though because I believe this Divine Intelligence, the one that created pomogranates and collard greens, and lady bugs and black eyed peas, worms and eucalyptus trees, tumbleweed and kidney beans, ocean waves and lightening speed, He prolly can number the hairs on each of His human creations' heads ... Yes, the creation is what keeps me seeing God.

I'm beginning to think the word "believe" kind of throws some of us off at first in life. At first, since we have had no experience to attach it to and someone is saying, "believe" its like you feel, "yah well ok but in what??" lol For me it just means, be willing to acknowledge, and if you need anything (you meaning me) then call on the name of that one ... YHWH ... pronounced the same in every language when saying it in the language it was presented in...and spiritually, it's God breathed into our human spirits as we call upon that name, the name He introduced Himself as with, to Moses. His first-born of all creation, only begotten Son, first born offspring of the Father ... Yeshua or Yeshewa .. or may even be another way to spell it, Jesus' name ... Jehovah's Son Christ Jesus, who is an aspect of God like fingers are an aspect of the hand ... seperate yet one, in Life and Nature.

I've discovered that doctrinal differences don't matter and are sometimes the first thing Satan spirit throws at us when Paul said that God said don't be arguing over things that cause divisions ... doctrines .... debates ... its a tool of Satan who "blinds the minds of the unbelievers so the glorious good news of the Christ might not shine through".

I feel all God wants us to do when we feel like we're groping is tell Him we're trying to reach for Him whomever He is. I say, "my maker" when I really want to make sure God Creator Jehovah YHWH Jah Yah Abba Father Wonderful Counselor Eternal Father Ressurrection ... Jesus seemed to buld in understanding on the issue by saying, "if you have seen me you have seen the Father" meaning it is quite good enough and right on track in His eyes

my take anyway

[SoS]

This is amazing to read!! Connecting through Jesus as Michael's birthday wraps is just a wonderful end to this day. I will write out my story, and I would also love to hear yours, very much so. This is so beautiful. I feel Michael watching over us, I truly do! I will share my story tomorrow. :)First of all, return good wishes for this day to Earth Song, and Happy Sunday to Everyone!! :D

My story is a bit what I think of as, "unique" and not very easy to convey via written text because of the spiritual nature of it all being in the realm of the 'unseen' ... but I'll try and make this difficult to explain thing, brief as possible. . .

I feel a bit of background is important for context, and that is the fact that I was born with a spiritual inclination from my earliest memory, life began in an enchanted way, with a kind of a "Wonderland" feeling of excited kind of peace living with mommy, daddy and older brother. After being here on the planet 3 years snuggled in the nest of home a divorce occurred, so by age 4 life changed and I'm now living with my Grands ..but it was still Wonderful and all the more so in many ways to include visits to the country church my grand daddy had pastored for many years. I found it very intriguing how the Holy Spirit would cause the church members to all sing in unison a song that would spontaneously create itself right there on the spot as the church members prayed in song and although there was lots of great worship going on, I never saw very much study of the bible, exept the fact that each night, on the front porch, after the sun had just gone down, my grand mother and daddy would read bible scriptures to eachother out loud. That was my favorite moment in life, just sitting there listening.

By age 5 I moved with my mother to the other side of town and that turn of events caused a shocking and eye opening experience - I was violently attacked by a 19 year old. It was a rude awakening that life is not going to be a Wonderland afterall. The years of childhood after that was a kind of a 'torture' feeling for me because the devil had stolen my joy and I could not understand the gleefulness of other kids, running and playing during things like Easter egg hunts .... ugh it was truly torture sometimes, but not all the time. There was so much joy in many ways hard to explain, but it mostly was when I was alone. I didn't trust anyone any more and I no longer understood the world children around me seemed to have been living in.

By age 6 (1967) and up I was afraid all the time. My first consolation came through music when someone left Diana Ross and The Supremes Greatest Hits at our apartment and I became stuck on Baby Love. It was the portal that showed me that Entertainment could be the key back to joy again. By the time the Jackson 5 came out in 1969, I was spiritually predisposed to finding the maximum amount of joy in song and can't tell you what a joy it was to see those kids in my age group giving us all that positivity. OK, so, that's entertainment and life goes on. By 18, even though life had been very rough because that experience at 5 created an avalanche of "victimizations" which challenged my self image constantly but I still had the inborn optimism and found expression through Theatre in school. After graduation I went to go to school and accepted an invitation to live with relatives in a whole new world - a wonderous place I never knew - suddenly I had a "new fantastic point of view" where I could see life very differently and nothing I had perceived in the past was perceived the same way now.

That's when I gave myself permission to give myself the one thing I hadn't known fully ... the joy and blissfulness of innocent trust throughout childhood... so in fall of 1979 I embarked upon "re-living" my childhood which for me was working out great except for the fact that the people in this "new world" didn't understand why an 18 year old wasn't interested in all the things an 18 year old was supposed to be. What they didn't know was that I had lived all of it already and needed to reach 'back' much more than I needed to do those things.

So, now to the bible ..

I was so alone in this place, although it was amazing in many ways. The loneliness was killing me. And although I had always maintained the "spiritual" inclinations that kept my optimism alive, I turned 19 feeling dreadfully alone, lost and misunderstood with no clue how to find true direction.

So I was sitting on a bed praying and afterward I idly sat there and opened a magazine, thumbing through ... then I got to the Michael Jackson article, I believe it was the 1980 issue of Ebony, where Michael was talking about God, His creation, and how we can talk to God at any time throughout the day and how he believes in the bible. That moment that I saw the word, "bible" I got up and went and located a bible a guy had given me in high school and opened it. The first scripture I saw that had meaning for me spoke directly into my dilemma - it was in the book of Proverbs. I fell in love with the bible and began to carry it with me everywhere. There is more to that story but that is the long and short of it for me. Mostly long :giggle: sorry again but yeh, I just wanted to give some background because when I found the bible I was on a much needed quest for guidance and direction. I also realized from reading about Michael that I wasn't alone in knowing the value of the state of being that is ideal which comes from living in the realm of innocence as in childhood (in my case re-living it) and even though I had serious doubts that Michael would ever understand me nearly the way I understood him, since I had admired him very much for using his fame to share God's word with people, I felt to just do what Michael said, and stuck with God's word in my life as my anchor.

God's wisdom, counsel, peace and power ... despite many challenges, has been the guiding Source, but even more than that, it deepened a relationship with God that I learned begins with listening to God speak, through His creation and His Word. It gave balance to what was already a spiritual inclination and put a foundation underneath my faith. From then on, I'd have God's Word to support that spiritual inclination and that would become something nobody would ever be able to take away.

[MJJ_luv1991]

I am a strong Christian and believer in my Lord Jesus Christ, who saved us from our sins!!! I find it amazing how every single Christian I have come into contact with at school is so loving, welcoming and kind. I have made many great new friends this way.
Anyway, I gave my heart to Jesus almost 11 years ago, when I was 7. I know the Holy Spirit lives in me. I try to show Christ's love through everything I do. I never, ever miss church, except when I'm sick or on vacation and have no way of getting to church. Sometimes I get a hunger and desire to learn more about my Lord, so I completely immerse myself in His presence by listening to Christian music, praying, reading my Bible, etc. It's an amazing feeling. God is so good to me!
Knowing Michael is up in Heaven with our Lord comforts me very much. Can't wait to groove with him -- and I'll be able to Moonwalk! XD

[Earth_Song1]

State of Shock, you're awesome!!!

[Courtney]

stateofshock, I just read your post to me and I'm just letting you know that I didn't ignore it. I'll be responding back soon. Thanks so much for your posts though, I love them a lot. :)

[MJJ_luv1991]

This is amazing to read!! Connecting through Jesus as Michael's birthday wraps is just a wonderful end to this day. I will write out my story, and I would also love to hear yours, very much so. This is so beautiful. I feel Michael watching over us, I truly do! I will share my story tomorrow. :)

Lorraine, I am so inspired to see that Michael brought you back to Jesus!!! We need to discuss inspirational Bible verses and have our own personal study!!! I can't wait to hear your story!!
God is so good!!!! Michael would be so happy to hear this!

[Redridinghood]

aww you guys, you are blessing me!!

[SoS]

I love this "Father's Love Letter". My mum gave it to me on the day of my confirmation.


My Child,

You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1
I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2
I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3
Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31
For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27
In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28
For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28
I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5
I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12
You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16
I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26
You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14
I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13
And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6
I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me.John 8:41-44
I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16
And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1
Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1
I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11
For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48
Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17
For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33
My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11
Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3
My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18
And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17
I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40
For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5
I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41
And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3
If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29
Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4
For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13
I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20
For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17
I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4
When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18
As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11
One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4
And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4
I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23
For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26
He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3
He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31
And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32
If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23
And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39
Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7
I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15
My question is… Will you be my child? John 1:12-13
I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32

Love, Your Dad
Almighty God
Thanks for this, its very important for whenever we forget what God says about us vs. what anyone else (even we) may ever say about us :yes:


By taking one of the most beautifull people away from me and the world.
That really makes me angry.
People like osama and other bad people still living, and michael is death.
I think that makes no sense at all.....
God wants to make this world a better place, isn,t it?
Why does he take the good ones instead of the bad ones?
If god was a human i would sue him!

but hey, who am i to judge.
jenny is just a little flo somewhere on this huge planet we call eart.
aw, my heart went out to you when I read this. :( It reminded me of so many times when I have felt frustration and directed it toward God ...

... and then there's Jesus..

What do I mean - well its starting to seem to me like the madder I have gotten (and I do mean I have gotten plenty angry like Jonah in the desert) God has reminded me that the things I complain about are things God and Christ went through as well, as if God is saying to me, " CHILD, listen - I have had to watch my ONLY begotten Son be tortured to death so that I could save this entire world, and he was shortchanged, mistreated and disrespected, by even the devil himself."

Interestingly though, as it relates to this, Jesus also died very young and in the prime of life. I imagine it must've seemed to Mary Magdeline and everyone else around that God took away the most special human ever to walk the face of the earth ... healing sick, restoring life, walking on water to show God's power, taking mere water and making wine so people could party hearty lol, feeding multitudes of people with nothing more than a "number 2 combo snack", carrying that enourmous piece of lumber up-hill on his own shoulder, in order for he himself to be nailed to it by way of his very hands and feet ...........

......and there I am wanting to complain because of the way someone shortchanged or treated me ....

.. when in fact there is nothing I experience that Jesus didn't experience as well. I don't know if that helps you but it does help me when I let myself go there and realize what all Jesus went through. The Great Intelligence of the Universe has good reasons for things and He is truly ONLY Good, so its truly ALL GOOD, even for MJ.

Maybe in time we can see the reason for this. Maybe something needed to be done to bring the world's attention to what it means to fight the good fight. So many have respect for MJ now who didn't before. Please know I do feel your pain :( :hug: I really do.



State of Shock, you're awesome!!!

Earth_Song1 you're sweet!!! :) Our Amazing Creator is awesome!


stateofshock, I just read your post to me and I'm just letting you know that I didn't ignore it. I'll be responding back soon. Thanks so much for your posts though, I love them a lot. :)

O goodie! :) I am stoked about hearing how you came through Eastern religion to Jesus Christ by way of Michael Jackson! The whole thought of that is completely fascinating! :popcorn: I'll be looking for it, and glad you were encouraged by my posts.

[Thriller_MJ]

Absolutely no i don't believe in any form of religion i don't like how it makes people narrow minded how it makes people treat others differently its not right. heres a quote i like

"Man never commit Evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions"

[Earth_Song1]

ThrillerMJ, why are you here in this thread then? Sorry, but if you don't believe, then why? Just curious. I don't go into threads if I do not share their thoughts and views on religion. I am not a narrow minded person for believing in Jesus Chist!! And I certainly don't treat people differently!! Believe me when I say, I am saying this in the nicest way and sincerely too! :-)

Your message does not kill my joy however!!

Blessed be thy name Jesus Christ!!

[Thriller_MJ]

ThrillerMJ, why are you here in this thread then? Sorry, but if you don't believe, then why? Just curious. I don't go into threads if I do not share their thoughts and views on religion. I am not a narrow minded person for believing in Jesus Chist!! And I certainly don't treat people differently!! Believe me when I say, I am saying this in the nicest way and sincerely too! :-)

Your message does not kill my joy however!!

Blessed be thy name Jesus Christ!!


Well the thread did start with a question i simply posted my answer :).

I have nothing against people believing in Jesus i understand it can be a great comfort to people my best friends parents are extremely religious i don't say anything bad against it when i'm around them because it would be really disrespectful i don't agree with any form of religion but this is just my opinion on it i find it very corrupt and contradictory and with religious extremists harming other humans in the name of there God just puts me of the idea completely.

I have Christan friends who know I'm Gay and don't treat me any differently because of it I'm not saying you do treat people differently based on sexual orientation but I've came under ALOT of attack from religious groups based on my sexuality my sexuality is my business not theirs,if God does exist then why would he create Gay people? if there a Sin wouldn't he send a Plague to wipe us all out?

Im sorry if my post has annoyed you but you did say " Any believers in Jesus Christ?" i just simply answered :) again sorry if i annoyed you

[hopespringseternal]

:waving: I believe in Jesus Christ, I've accepted him as my Lord & Savior and without him I would be worse than I am :)


That sums up my beliefs and feelings perfectly :)

[Earth_Song1]

Hi!!

Not a problem. I was calling Christians in the thread. That's why I put any believers in here so they would come in.

You didn't annoy me. Thanks for responding. :-)

[*~Tink~*]

I have Christan friends who know I'm Gay and don't treat me any differently because of it I'm not saying you do treat people differently based on sexual orientation but I've came under ALOT of attack from religious groups based on my sexuality my sexuality is my business not theirs,if God does exist then why would he create Gay people? if there a Sin wouldn't he send a Plague to wipe us all out?


I'm sorry you've been treated differently because of being gay. That's just totally wrong. My former Vaisnava church was anti-gay and I could never square their stance in my heart.

[*~Tink~*]

First of all, return good wishes for this day to Earth Song, and Happy Sunday to Everyone!! :D

Thank you for the wishes!!


My story is a bit what I think of as, "unique" and not very easy to convey via written text because of the spiritual nature of it all being in the realm of the 'unseen' ... but I'll try and make this difficult to explain thing, brief as possible. . .

I know what you mean. It can be hard to convey these things so deeply experienced. You did a lovely job. :)


I feel a bit of background is important for context, and that is the fact that I was born with a spiritual inclination from my earliest memory, life began in an enchanted way, with a kind of a "Wonderland" feeling of excited kind of peace living with mommy, daddy and older brother. After being here on the planet 3 years snuggled in the nest of home a divorce occurred, so by age 4 life changed and I'm now living with my Grands ..but it was still Wonderful and all the more so in many ways to include visits to the country church my grand daddy had pastored for many years. I found it very intriguing how the Holy Spirit would cause the church members to all sing in unison a song that would spontaneously create itself right there on the spot as the church members prayed in song and although there was lots of great worship going on, I never saw very much study of the bible, exept the fact that each night, on the front porch, after the sun had just gone down, my grand mother and daddy would read bible scriptures to eachother out loud. That was my favorite moment in life, just sitting there listening.

This is BEAUTIFUL. I love this. What beautiful imagery, magnificient, I feel like I am there, too!


By age 5 I moved with my mother to the other side of town and that turn of events caused a shocking and eye opening experience - I was violently attacked by a 19 year old. It was a rude awakening that life is not going to be a Wonderland afterall. The years of childhood after that was a kind of a 'torture' feeling for me because the devil had stolen my joy and I could not understand the gleefulness of other kids, running and playing during things like Easter egg hunts .... ugh it was truly torture sometimes, but not all the time. There was so much joy in many ways hard to explain, but it mostly was when I was alone. I didn't trust anyone any more and I no longer understood the world children around me seemed to have been living in.

I am so, so sorry. I'm so sorry you experienced this. It's understandable how your trust was shaken. I'm glad there were still moments of joy for you, even if solitary ones.


By age 6 (1967) and up I was afraid all the time. My first consolation came through music when someone left Diana Ross and The Supremes Greatest Hits at our apartment and I became stuck on Baby Love. It was the portal that showed me that Entertainment could be the key back to joy again. By the time the Jackson 5 came out in 1969, I was spiritually predisposed to finding the maximum amount of joy in song and can't tell you what a joy it was to see those kids in my age group giving us all that positivity. OK, so, that's entertainment and life goes on. By 18, even though life had been very rough because that experience at 5 created an avalanche of "victimizations" which challenged my self image constantly but I still had the inborn optimism and found expression through Theatre in school. After graduation I went to go to school and accepted an invitation to live with relatives in a whole new world - a wonderous place I never knew - suddenly I had a "new fantastic point of view" where I could see life very differently and nothing I had perceived in the past was perceived the same way now.

This is such a journey! I relate to taking refuge in song, oh my gosh, I relate! How sweet you were into the Jackson's since the beginning! You had so much inner strength, I can tell, to get through these difficult periods and bad experiences. See, God and music maybe lit the way to better places? It was God's light and love!!


That's when I gave myself permission to give myself the one thing I hadn't known fully ... the joy and blissfulness of innocent trust throughout childhood... so in fall of 1979 I embarked upon "re-living" my childhood which for me was working out great except for the fact that the people in this "new world" didn't understand why an 18 year old wasn't interested in all the things an 18 year old was supposed to be. What they didn't know was that I had lived all of it already and needed to reach 'back' much more than I needed to do those things.

Good for you, reaching back and healing! Reading this part made me cry! I completely understand what you are saying here.


So, now to the bible ..

I was so alone in this place, although it was amazing in many ways. The loneliness was killing me. And although I had always maintained the "spiritual" inclinations that kept my optimism alive, I turned 19 feeling dreadfully alone, lost and misunderstood with no clue how to find true direction.

((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))


So I was sitting on a bed praying and afterward I idly sat there and opened a magazine, thumbing through ... then I got to the Michael Jackson article, I believe it was the 1980 issue of Ebony, where Michael was talking about God, His creation, and how we can talk to God at any time throughout the day and how he believes in the bible. That moment that I saw the word, "bible" I got up and went and located a bible a guy had given me in high school and opened it. The first scripture I saw that had meaning for me spoke directly into my dilemma - it was in the book of Proverbs. I fell in love with the bible and began to carry it with me everywhere. There is more to that story but that is the long and short of it for me. Mostly long :giggle: sorry again but yeh, I just wanted to give some background because when I found the bible I was on a much needed quest for guidance and direction. I also realized from reading about Michael that I wasn't alone in knowing the value of the state of being that is ideal which comes from living in the realm of innocence as in childhood (in my case re-living it) and even though I had serious doubts that Michael would ever understand me nearly the way I understood him, since I had admired him very much for using his fame to share God's word with people, I felt to just do what Michael said, and stuck with God's word in my life as my anchor.

Okay, now I am really in tears! This is so beautiful!!


God's wisdom, counsel, peace and power ... despite many challenges, has been the guiding Source, but even more than that, it deepened a relationship with God that I learned begins with listening to God speak, through His creation and His Word. It gave balance to what was already a spiritual inclination and put a foundation underneath my faith. From then on, I'd have God's Word to support that spiritual inclination and that would become something nobody would ever be able to take away.

I like that- putting foundation under your faith. Wow- love that!!

Thank you so much for sharing your story. What a journey you had! And as I am seing it, music and God saw you through it. No matter what, and how Michael brought you to the bible... this is so amazing. I wonder now how many lives he has touched this way? I wonder if he knew how important he was in this process of spreading God's love and word?

It's like Michael and God, hand in hand with you, healing your life. Thanks so much for sharing!
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[*~Tink~*]

Lorraine, I am so inspired to see that Michael brought you back to Jesus!!! We need to discuss inspirational Bible verses and have our own personal study!!! I can't wait to hear your story!!
God is so good!!!! Michael would be so happy to hear this!

I'd love that!!! :D




I would love to hear more about this.

Especially how Michael brought you to Jesus!! Please share!! :D will ya :flowers: huh will ya :flowers:

LOL! Sure I'll share! :D

My spiritual journey begins with being born into a Catholic family. It was a *very* Catholic family, strict, and a dynamic family! I always struggle thinking how to explain my family and young life properly. My eldest brother once said you really had to be there to understand, it was the best as well as the worst. This Dickens quote always seemed appropriate~ "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it ws the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness; it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity; it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness; it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair; we had everything before us, we had nothing before us; we were all going directly to Heaven, we were all going the other way." lol... That sums up my childhood! :)

Mostly, I was really devout. I became even more serious about my Catholic faith when I was about 10. Then, when I was about Paris' age, I lost my Dad. My Dad passed away from... a Dr who gave him too much sleeping drugs ... and was not watching him. :( My Dad was in the hospital for just a simple test when this happened, so I was not remotely prepared... not that one ever is. My world turned upside down, and of course I was old enough to ask, "why?" My Mom was very preoccupied with going back to work to support us and what not. She told me, as church told me, "it is a mystery" and "it was God's will." My neighbor (he went to our church, too) told me my Dad passed away because I did not pray hard enough.

I was alone a lot. I was shy by nature, and like Michael has also said, I was so lonely. My cousin, who was like a best friend to me, stopped hanging out with me because it made her sad. She had really thought the world of my Dad.

So, in my room alone mostly, I listened to music constantly. I listened to a variety, really, but I particularly favored George Harrison and the Beatles. I began listening even more carefully to George's lyrics. At 12, I began buying Eastern philosophy books, trying to answer the "why" question. George and these books introduced me to the concepts of karma and yoga and everything began to fall into place. I read so much! My family had really fractured apart, and really in life it was mostly me, my books, and George.

My Mom was pretty cool about my Eastern interests, really. She even went to the Krishna temple with me and sat on the floor and ate prasadam. :) I couldn't ask for a better Mom. :) I wanted to join (ISKCON- "the Krishna's") when I was 16, 17, 18... but my Mom begged me to wait until after schooling. She continued to want me to return to Catholicism, of course, and was delaying I suspect. So, long story short... I did not join then, but my path wound around and led me through all kinds of Eastern thought. I read and read. I got really involved with hatha yoga. Like Michael, still, I was often feeling very alone though.

Some schools of Eastern thought I studied really did not sit well with me. One school of thought was that Jesus was a prophet or Guru, and that with meditation and effort we could develop into being Christ like. I do not mean, Christ like as in being kind, compassionate, caring... I mean the thought was.. we could be REALLY Christ like... as in, preform miracles! I simply do not agree with this. I respect those that feel differently, but must honor what I feel in my own heart and experience.

So, that led me back to the Krishna's who believe Krishna is - very much the same concept as God the Father. He is seen as the one true God, but it is said he also took other incarnations as Buddha, etc, and in the Krishna's you can even believe Jesus is God's Son. So that was good.

Still, the focus was not per se ON Christ.

.... now enter in Michael. :wub:

I had always loved Michael, defended him in the trial period, all that. But it was when I sat down and listened to interview after interview after interview that I became totally transfixed. It was like he spoke to every molecule of my entire being. I have never in life felt so entirely connective to any public person, to someone who I have not met in real life. We had many similar childhood experiences, for certain. He would explain his feelings and reactions to things, and they would be just as I would feel, too, or had felt. Then, I heard Michael quoting the bible and speaking of Jesus. I just cannot put into words what happened....

Definitely Michael is my archangel. I have picked back up my bible and turned towards Christ. My hairpin turn has somewhat surprised even me! But I just have to follow my heart. :)

[SoS]

Well the thread did start with a question i simply posted my answer :).

hi Thriller_MJ and welcome to the thread. :)

I do have a question. :) Is it not kind of like you starting a thread that said, "Any Homosexuals Here?" and then someone comes in your thread saying, Absolutely no i don't believe in homosexuality" :giggle: just asking

I guess you chose to answer no because of the way some Christians have responded to you being homosexual, but keep in mind that's just them. Whether homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes or not (and let's assume for the moment that it could be), the indisputable, unequivical truth of the matter is that God is the only judge. When you read the Word for yourself, its up to your spirit to perceive/receive that information from God, for yourself, regardless to what any man says or thinks or does.

Personally, I feel that many Christians can be very difficult people - stubborn, self-righteous, judgemental ... but that has nothing to do with being a Christian. That has more to do with being "religious". Even Jesus himself was constantly admonishing the "religious" people ... those who did everything to the letter of the law but who would not lift one finger to help someone who was not in their own religion, nor did those "religious" people have any True compassion to realize that "there but by the Grace of God could be them".

Jesus was not like them. Jesus was not - nor was Jesus ever intended to be a "religion" and is not supposed to be one now.

Jesus Christ is, "the Life-giving SPIRIT".

A Christian imho is not so much a member of a "religion" as it is a member of the spiritual body of Christ. It is a person who has called on the name of the Lord Jesus and experienced the Reality of Christ in and of itself as a reality.

Many religios people go to church, stay there all day long, going through "religious rituals" of one kind or another, only to have it to feed their "self righteousness".

To "sin" simply means to "miss the mark".

I feel that when God talks about sin, He is simply saying that some of the things that we have learned to do, to think, to feel (or to marinate our feelings in), to value, things that come from the influences of this wretched, evil, difficult world - are just things that threaten to take us away from the persons He created us as and if you feel He created you as a homosexual, imho that's between you and your Maker.

imho, He just wants us to return to our original state of being which we had when we first came from Heaven. Do you remember when we were babies and all we knew was JOY? That's all God wants for us. And God knew we would our joy would be challenged once here on earth, so He gave us a coping mechanism - a way to overcome the world.

Our "overcoming" is God's glory, which imho can only be accomplished by the power we get from Jesus Christ - our example - the only perfect man.

Our Creator just wants us to be our True Selves ... the persons He created - not the manufactured "self-image" that life's experiences have invited us to adopt.

Not to beat a dead horse, (or write a book!) but I do want to make sure I'm understood, so, to use a rather stark example - a girl born in a crack house, from a father she does not know and a mother who is a crack whore could easily grow up on the streets and become a prostitute and that may be all she knows, so surely she is challenged to become "restored" to her original state she was in as the person she was when she first arrived on the planet, but God's way isn't to send a plague to wipe out all prostitutes.

God's way is to send His Son Jesus Christ, the Life Giving Spirit, shown to us by His Word, the bible, shared with us by those who's gift/calling/job it is to share it with us (preach).

If that girl never gives Jesus a chance by calling upon His invisible, powerful, miraculous Name, she will never give herself a chance to heal.

And sure enough, people calling themselves Christians may "judge" her (which all persons are expressly unqualified to do) but they would be more wrong than she because her only fault would be in not giving Jesus a chance to heal her -

their fault however imho, would be in using the name of Jesus in vain, meaning .... to say with their lips that they believe in Him, while their hearts are far removed from The Truth of who God truly is. GOD IS LOVE. All that God can do is love us. His love for us wants us to be pure, even as unpure as we all truly are. Our striving is God's desire. He is after those who are after Him. That's all. Not "self righteousness". There really is no such thing.

Don't listen to them. Listen to Jesus. His amazing Holy Spirit really does speak to our human spirits :) and it is through this unique organ within us (our spirits) that we hear can "hear" Him. For most of us, the greatest challenge is to 'listen'. Listen to what the Spirit is saying to us from deep within.



Im sorry if my post has annoyed you but you did say " Any believers in Jesus Christ?" i just simply answered :) again sorry if i annoyed you Personally, I didn't find it annoying at all. I found it sweet that you were attracted to this thread. :) Imho, that is for a very good reason.

You just keep reading and don't be posting negative comments about our Lord or you will be asked to leave :D :giggle: but I'm sure you won't.

I found your post to be honest and precious. I can see some people in the name of the Lord have caused you great pain. :(

:hug: I'm sorry that happened to you. They had no right.

Jesus wouldn't want that. Read about Him in the bible for yourself and you will see. :yes:




I'd love that!!! :D

[quote]LOL! Sure I'll share! :D woo hoo!!


My spiritual journey begins with being born into a Catholic family. It was a *very* Catholic family, strict, and a dynamic family! I always struggle thinking how to explain my family and young life properly. My eldest brother once said you really had to be there to understand, it was the best as well as the worst. This Dickens quote always seemed appropriate~ "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it ws the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness; it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity; it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness; it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair; we had everything before us, we had nothing before us; we were all going directly to Heaven, we were all going the other way." lol... That sums up my childhood! :) WOW

Its both :( and :D

Incredible!

I know that "best of times/worst of times" dichotomy very well. Thank you by the way for your responses to my story. I can see that we both have had some deep experiences and instinctively drew upon inner strength from Above.



Mostly, I was really devout. I became even more serious about my Catholic faith when I was about 10. Then, when I was about Paris' age, I lost my Dad. My Dad passed away from... a Dr who gave him too much sleeping drugs ... and was not watching him. :( My Dad was in the hospital for just a simple test when this happened, so I was not remotely prepared... not that one ever is. My world turned upside down, You are kidding! Your heart must truly go out to this entire situation with Michael. Special condolences to you in losing Michael in the same way you lost your dad :heart:


and of course I was old enough to ask, "why?" My Mom was very preoccupied with going back to work to support us and what not. She told me, as church told me, "it is a mystery" and "it was God's will." My neighbor (he went to our church, too) told me my Dad passed away because I did not pray hard enough.

I was alone a lot. I was shy by nature, and like Michael has also said, I was so lonely. My cousin, who was like a best friend to me, stopped hanging out with me because it made her sad. She had really thought the world of my Dad.
Oh my goodness. That is truly dreadful. You must've felt so abandoned by what to me seems like a pretty selfish response to someone losing their dad. I guess she just wasn't strong enough though. Aw bless your heart. That is so sad.


So, in my room alone mostly, I listened to music constantly. I listened to a variety, really, but I particularly favored George Harrison and the Beatles. I began listening even more carefully to George's lyrics. At 12, I began buying Eastern philosophy books, trying to answer the "why" question. George and these books introduced me to the concepts of karma and yoga and everything began to fall into place. I read so much! My family had really fractured apart, and really in life it was mostly me, my books, and George.

My Mom was pretty cool about my Eastern interests, really. She even went to the Krishna temple with me and sat on the floor and ate prasadam. :) I couldn't ask for a better Mom. :) I wanted to join (ISKCON- "the Krishna's") when I was 16, 17, 18... but my Mom begged me to wait until after schooling. She continued to want me to return to Catholicism, of course, and was delaying I suspect. So, long story short... I did not join then, but my path wound around and led me through all kinds of Eastern thought. I read and read. I got really involved with hatha yoga. Like Michael, still, I was often feeling very alone though.
Your mother is very special. It shows just how much this Catholic woman loved her baby :wub: aww this is so touching. Your story reminds me of mine - how you sought solice through music. I love a variety too.


Some schools of Eastern thought I studied really did not sit well with me. One school of thought was that Jesus was a prophet or Guru, and that with meditation and effort we could develop into being Christ like. I do not mean, Christ like as in being kind, compassionate, caring... I mean the thought was.. we could be REALLY Christ like... as in, preform miracles! I simply do not agree with this. I respect those that feel differently, but must honor what I feel in my own heart and experience.

So, that led me back to the Krishna's who believe Krishna is - very much the same concept as God the Father. He is seen as the one true God, but it is said he also took other incarnations as Buddha, etc, and in the Krishna's you can even believe Jesus is God's Son. So that was good.

Still, the focus was not per se ON Christ. So interesting! So your Catholic roots told you Christ was the way - and yet the specific answers you needed were found in the Eastern teachings - and yet - your heart was still longing for Christ. Aww that is so touching. Your entire story is.


.... now enter in Michael. :wub:

I had always loved Michael, defended him in the trial period, all that. But it was when I sat down and listened to interview after interview after interview that I became totally transfixed. It was like he spoke to every molecule of my entire being. I have never in life felt so entirely connective to any public person, to someone who I have not met in real life. We had many similar childhood experiences, for certain. He would explain his feelings and reactions to things, and they would be just as I would feel, too, or had felt. Then, I heard Michael quoting the bible and speaking of Jesus. I just cannot put into words what happened.... That was the first thing I loved about Michael. That he used his fame to let the world know he was always all about following Jesus' example. It was the one thing he knew had the most potential to change the world. I know what you mean about being able to relate to his experiences too. The one thing I feel made/makes Michael such a great artist is his universality. He is like the 'poster child' for every human being's experience of being human in this age we live in. He lived his humanness in front of the entire world, and even as much as he guarded his privacy, he also shared so much of his true self with us.


Definitely Michael is my archangel. I have picked back up my bible and turned towards Christ. My hairpin turn has somewhat surprised even me! But I just have to follow my heart. :) aww :wub:

Thank you so much for sharing that very touching story. Very touching. I loved reading that. :wub: Thank you again!!

[Thriller_MJ]

[quote=STATEofSHOCK;2166343]
hi Thriller_MJ and welcome to the thread. :)

I do have a question. :) Is it not kind of like you starting a thread that said, "Any Homosexuals Here?" and then someone comes in your thread saying, Absolutely no i don't believe in homosexuality" :giggle: just asking

I guess you chose to answer no because of the way some Christians have responded to you being homosexual, but keep in mind that's just them. Whether homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes or not (and let's assume for the moment that it could be), the indisputable, unequivical truth of the matter is that God is the only judge. When you read the Word for yourself, its up to your spirit to perceive/receive that information from God, for yourself, regardless to what any man says or thinks or does.

Personally, I feel that many Christians can be very difficult people - stubborn, self-righteous, judgemental ... but that has nothing to do with being a Christian. That has more to do with being "religious". Even Jesus himself was constantly admonishing the "religious" people ... those who did everything to the letter of the law but who would not lift one finger to help someone who was not in their own religion, nor did those "religious" people have any True compassion to realize that "there but by the Grace of God could be them".

Jesus was not like them. Jesus was not - nor was Jesus ever intended to be a "religion" and is not supposed to be one now.

Jesus Christ is, "the Life-giving SPIRIT".

A Christian imho is not so much a member of a "religion" as it is a member of the spiritual body of Christ. It is a person who has called on the name of the Lord Jesus and experienced the Reality of Christ in and of itself as a reality.

Many religios people go to church, stay there all day long, going through "religious rituals" of one kind or another, only to have it to feed their "self righteousness".

My understanding of the scripture is that homosexuality is one among many, many many, many "sins" (a word humans like to use to beat up other humans when they have no right to) but even if it is; by far you are not the only sinner and homosexuality is not the only sin. The bible says that "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". The bible says, and I quote, "there is NONE righteous, no, not even one"

To "sin" simply means to "miss the mark".

I feel that when God talks about sin, He is simply saying that some of the things that we have learned to do, to think, to feel (or to marinate our feelings in), many things we've learned to value, things that come from the influences of this wretched, evil, difficult world - are just things that threaten to take us away from the persons He created us as and He just wants us to know that so we can return to our original state of being we had when we first came from Heaven. Our "overcoming" is God's glory, which imho can only be accomplished by the power we have from Jesus Christ - our example - the only perfect man.

Our Creator just wants us to be our True Selves ... the persons He created - not the manufactured "self-image" that life's experiences have invited us to adopt.

To use a rather stark example - a girl born in a crack house, from a father she does not know and a mother who is a crack whore could easily grow up on the streets and become a prostitute and that may be all she knows, so surely she is challenged to become "restored" to her original state she was in as the person she was when she first arrived on the planet, but God's way isn't to send a plague to wipe out all prostitutes.

God's way is to send His Son Jesus Christ, the Life Giving Spirit, shown to us by His Word, the bible, shared with us by those who's gift/calling/job it is to share it with us (preach).

If that girl never gives Jesus a chance by calling upon His invisible, powerful, miraculous Name, she will never give herself a chance to heal.

And sure enough, people calling themselves Christians may "judge" her (which all persons are expressly unqualified to do) but they would be more wrong than she because her only fault would be in not giving Jesus a chance to heal her -

their fault however imho, would be in using the name of Jesus in vain, meaning .... to say with their lips that they believe in Him, while their hearts are far removed from The Truth of who God truly is. GOD IS LOVE. All that God can do is love us. His love for us wants us to be pure, even as unpure as we all truly are. Our striving is God's desire. He is after those who are after Him. That's all. Not "self righteousness". There really is no such thing.

Don't listen to them. Listen to Jesus. His amazing Holy Spirit really does speak to our human spirits :) and it through this unique organ within us (our spirits) that we hear Him.


Personally, I didn't find it annoying at all. I found it sweet that you were attracted to this thread. :) Imho, that is for a very good reason.

You just keep reading and don't be posting negative comments about our Lord or you will be asked to leave :D :giggle: but I'm sure you won't.

I found your post to be honest and precious. I can see some people in the name of the Lord have caused you great pain. :(

:hug: I'm sorry that happened to you. They had no right.

Jesus wouldn't want that. Read about Him in the bible for yourself and you will see. :yes:



Thank you for your post :) although it was long i enjoyed reading it i know there are many different interpretations of The Bible which i find abit weird like its been rewritten in away and i also find it weird The Vatican have keep hidden pages of The Bible out of Public Eye.

I am interested in religion but I'm not a believer i would recommend all the believers to look at this Link, its extremely interesting from my point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talpiot_Tomb :)

[SoS]

Thank you for your post :) although it was long i enjoyed reading it i know there are many different interpretations of The Bible which i find abit weird like its been rewritten in away and i also find it weird The Vatican have keep hidden pages of The Bible out of Public Eye.

I am interested in religion but I'm not a believer i would recommend all the believers to look at this Link, its extremely interesting from my point of view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talpiot_Tomb :) __________________

aw thanks for your response to that long post .. I went back and edited it for easier reading and you're welcome.

Thanks for that link too! Interesting indeed!

[Triumph]

i believe in the limited human mind and its creativity to cope with the limitations.

anything religious comes out of human minds.
there were some great human minds throughout human history,
(such as Jesus Christ ...or Buddha who was Jesus' inspiration)
but i don't need any collective holy fantasy trash to learn and believe in greatness.

[Redridinghood]

i believe in the limited human mind and its creativity to cope with the limitations.

anything religious comes out of human minds.
there were some great human minds throughout human history,
(such as Jesus Christ ...or Buddha who was Jesus' inspiration)
but i don't need any collective holy fantasy trash to learn and believe in greatness.


Did you mean that to be offensive? It certainly comes across as. Please don't tell me that I believe in 'fantasy trash'. I am entitled to my own beliefs as much as you are to yours, but please don't bash me publicly...

[Triumph]

Did you mean that to be offensive? It certainly comes across as. Please don't tell me that I believe in 'fantasy trash'. I am entitled to my own beliefs as much as you are to yours, but please don't bash me publicly...


sorry, i didnt mean it offensive to anyone.
its just how i feel about IT (not the people believing IT).
fantasy for one ...the ultimate believe to the other.
its all only in our little limited minds... and within the limits we are free. :)

some people are happy with certain long grown collective
easy religious concepts to find their peace in time and space...
some like me prefer to live with open questions instead of easy answers. :)

[SoS]

i believe in the limited human mind and its creativity to cope with the limitations.

anything religious comes out of human minds.
there were some great human minds throughout human history,
(such as Jesus Christ ...or Buddha who was Jesus' inspiration)
but i don't need any collective holy fantasy trash to learn and believe in greatness.

Your limited evaluation and misuse of Jesus' name within it are off topic.

However, I will add to your comment that the greatest of human minds throughout human history, have always acknowledged a Source, not themselves.

The lesser of the "great minds" as you call them, are imho "wise" in their own eyes, and apparently in yours :cheeky: as it seems you are, as well.

The human mind (and especially the most evolved of them) can distinguish between two very distinctly different things:

Religion

Spirituality

If you have the first one, you might would use that experience to begin to explore the road to freedom on a journey all your own, as everyone has their path.

Spirituality however, is an awareness that a person either has, or they do not.

The Spirit within man is an functional organ, which man is either aware of or he is not.

Everyone has a spleen, but are not always aware of it, if ever. Everyone has a spirit, but are not always aware of it, if ever.

Not everyone has a religion and those who do, sometimes find it to be a portal leading them be able to access their spirts within. Religion has begun many on that road just as education has begun many on the road to learning but is not a complete learning experience within itself.

Some have been fortunate enough to, not only be aware of their spirits, but to also have exercised their spirit sufficiently so as to have the glorious experience of Christ, Who is The Life Giving Spirit.

Christ is not an intellectual argument. Christ is an experience. An experience is what gives a person reality.

If you do not have that experience or that reality God bless you.

For you to come in here and call the Nature of this thread trash though, will get the mods called on you.

Please don't do that again. If you don't believe and you can't keep that to yourself, a simple no would do.

[Earth_Song1]

I ask all non believers to please stay out of this thread. It is for Christians WHO believe!! We do have an atheist thead here. That one would suit you more, I think. Thank you!

[Triumph]

@STATEofSHOCK
you didnt understand one bit of what i wrote.
i distinguish very much between religion and spirituality.
thats the reason for my input.

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

yippie, the non believers are coming:smilerolleyes:
I got a Private Message from a non believer a couple of days ago on MJJC and it looked like he was trying to convert me to become athiest. WTH, I think people need to be loyal to each other, he said I wanted to die because I could be with Jesus Christ. Man I corrected him, but never got a reply back.
Can't there be peace in these threads???

[Triumph]

yippie, the non believers are coming:smilerolleyes:
I got a Private Message from a non believer a couple of days ago on MJJC and it looked like he was trying to convert me to become athiest. WTH, I think people need to be loyal to each other, he said I wanted to die because I could be with Jesus Christ. Man I corrected him, but never got a reply back.
Can't there be peace in these threads???


maybe he was just worried about your life and religious beliefs possibly going all wrong?


i'm all for peace, not believing in someone's theory doesnt automaticly mean war.
the one saying there IS, speaks first... so be prepared for replies, when it concerns
general matters. ;)

[L&L=L.O.V.E.]

maybe he was just worried about your life and religious beliefs possibly going all wrong?


i'm all for peace, not believing in someone's theory doesnt automaticly mean war.
the one saying there IS, speaks first... so be prepared for replies, when it concerns
general matters. ;)

Nah that wasn't the case, because I never said anything like I wanted to be at Christ and I don't posts anything that would look like that.
The guy just think Christians are stupid and that's all.
He said I would have to look at the athiest thread, but I won't because I believe in Christ. It was one of the most rudest things you could write in a PM in my ipinion.
But enough about him, because I can forgive, just like Jesus and God can.

[*~Tink~*]

some people are happy with certain long grown collective
easy religious concepts to find their peace in time and space...
some like me prefer to live with open questions instead of easy answers. :)

I think there are as many types of Christians as there are atheists or Buddhists or or... we are all individuals, which is a beautiful thing. God loves variety as reflected in all nature. And I don't think it can be assumed that all Christians arrive at collective, easy responses in order to find peace. Chrisitans can also prefer open questions, and no easy answers.

For instance, maybe read Ecclesiastes if you would be open to it. There are absolutely no easy answers given. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it, actually. Qoheleth's critique of conventional thought is similar to Lao-tzu, which is similar to Zen. If Buddhism appeals to you, perhaps this part of the bible will as well, given a chance.

[*~Tink~*]

[LEFT] hi Thriller_MJ and welcome to the thread. :)

Wow! I loved your whole post to Thriller_MJ!!!!





woo hoo!!

WOW

Its both :( and :D

Incredible!

I know that "best of times/worst of times" dichotomy very well. Thank you by the way for your responses to my story. I can see that we both have had some deep experiences and instinctively drew upon inner strength from Above.

((((((((HUGS))))))))



[You are kidding! Your heart must truly go out to this entire situation with Michael. Special condolences to you in losing Michael in the same way you lost your dad :heart:

Thank you so much. I cannot tell you the tears I cried after seeing Paris at the memorial. I know in my heart how she (and Prince and Blanket) feel in those certain ways. I pray for them every day.


Oh my goodness. That is truly dreadful. You must've felt so abandoned by what to me seems like a pretty selfish response to someone losing their dad. I guess she just wasn't strong enough though. Aw bless your heart. That is so sad.
Your mother is very special. It shows just how much this Catholic woman loved her baby :wub: aww this is so touching. Your story reminds me of mine - how you sought solice through music. I love a variety too.

Oh, music is SO healing!!! And also dancing is, too! Even now with Michael, I can be so sad and in tears and sometimes put on "Enjoy Yourself" and I will be smiling, even dancing.. as I am in tears! Music is like God's touchstone, it can be anyway (not all music, lol!).


[ So interesting! So your Catholic roots told you Christ was the way - and yet the specific answers you needed were found in the Eastern teachings - and yet - your heart was still longing for Christ. Aww that is so touching. Your entire story is.

Thank you... (((((((((HUGS))))))))


[That was the first thing I loved about Michael. That he used his fame to let the world know he was always all about following Jesus' example. It was the one thing he knew had the most potential to change the world. I know what you mean about being able to relate to his experiences too. The one thing I feel made/makes Michael such a great artist is his universality. He is like the 'poster child' for every human being's experience of being human in this age we live in. He lived his humanness in front of the entire world, and even as much as he guarded his privacy, he also shared so much of his true self with us.

Yes!!! Exactly!!! When I was watch interviews I am so deeply honored he spoke as candidly as he did. In letting us into his world, and also of course his GORGEOUS lyrics convey the same... in letting us into his world that way he makes us all so much less alone. I am still in awe of all he chose to share, and how loving it was... just LOVING... to share so much of himself with us. I am so grateful to Michael and always will be.


[ aww :wub:

Thank you so much for sharing that very touching story. Very touching. I loved reading that. :wub: Thank you again!!

You, too!! It meant so much to connect this way- both of us finding our way by Michael's torchlight! Thanks so much for sharing your story, too!!! :D :wub:

[Earth_Song1]

Up with Jesus, down with the devil!! I believe!!

God bless you all!!

[noha]

Who Was Jesus - peace be upon him
called "Essa" in Arabic

Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect.

No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled "Mary"), and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Quran describes Jesus' birth as follows:

"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [3:42-47]

Muslims believe that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Eve to life and Adam into being without a father or a mother.

"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59]

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said:

"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave." [3:49]

Muhammad and Jesus, as well as the other prophets, were sent to confirm
the belief in one God. This is referred to in the Quran where Jesus is reported as saying that he came:

"To attest the law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." [3:50]

Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying: "Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. [Bukhari]



http://www.islamcode.com/WhoWasJesus.html


A servant of God does not live to please self but to please only God, as Jesus Christ did (Rom. 15:1-3; Phil. 2:7-8; Matt. 20:26-28). A servant of God is one who serves others in need, for God, and in so doing, imitates God daily (Matt. 19:21; Col. 3:17; 1 John 3:17-18; Luke 6:36; Eph. 5:1).

http://www.biblestudysite.org/37.htm

[Earth_Song1]

Hello believers!!

[*~Tink~*]

Maybe we can include some thoughts or posts to help us through the events tomorrow?



"And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; nor shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." ~John 10:28


"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." ~John 14:27

God gave Michael to us.... what an amazing gift. :wub:

[Earth_Song1]

"The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace."

Numbers 6:24-26

[Earth_Song1]

The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 18:2


Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall.

Psalm 55:22

[*~Tink~*]

Thank you, Earth_Song! Those are beautiful! *hugs*

[Rockin.]

I'm not narrow minded in the slightest.

So you don't believe in religion because you don't like the way it makes people behave in an evil manner?

Well, religion doesn't make them do it. Its the person, not the religion.

Those who commit evil in the name of their religion are not true followers of their religion, because at the heart of religion is pure Love.

So those who commit evil are not following their religion they are extremists who are using it as an excuse.


Absolutely no i don't believe in any form of religion i don't like how it makes people narrow minded how it makes people treat others differently its not right. heres a quote i like

"Man never commit Evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions"

[Music Monk]

Catholic Christian here!

[Earth_Song1]

Thank you, Earth_Song! Those are beautiful! *hugs*

Hugs to you and all the other believes today!! I love you all! God Bless!

[Earth_Song1]

I'm not narrow minded in the slightest.

So you don't believe in religion because you don't like the way it makes people behave in an evil manner?

Well, religion doesn't make them do it. Its the person, not the religion.

Those who commit evil in the name of their religion are not true followers of their religion, because at the heart of religion is pure Love.

So those who commit evil are not following their religion they are extremists who are using it as an excuse.

Glad you stepped in here, Rockin! As you, I am not narrow minded either. I have asked non Christians to stay out of this thread. I hope they oblige, as their is an athiest thread here they can post in.

[MJJ_luv1991]

God has blessed this beautiful day! I thank the Lord for my wonderful family and amazing friends! Thank You, Lord!!! May You be praised!!

[Earth_Song1]

God has blessed this beautiful day! I thank the Lord for my wonderful family and amazing friends! Thank You, Lord!!! May You be praised!!

AMEN to that!!

[IvoryKeys]

Woot! Thanks Earth_Song1 for starting this thread. God is the only way in life. And his son, Jesus Christ, paved the road for new believers. He was dead, but he came back to life! He rose again! And I truly cannot wait for things to be as God had originally intended them to be in the beginning; the new Heaven and the new Earth.

[Earth_Song1]

Woot! Thanks Earth_Song1 for starting this thread. God is the only way in life. And his son, Jesus Christ, paved the road for new believers. He was dead, but he came back to life! He rose again! And I truly cannot wait for things to be as God had originally intended them to be in the beginning; the new Heaven and the new Earth.

God Bless you, IvoryKeys!! Glad to meet other believers who are MJ fans!!

[Music Monk]

Peace be with you all. May Our Lord Jesus Christ bless you all always.

[The One.]

"The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace."

Numbers 6:24-26


The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 18:2


Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall.

Psalm 55:22
Thanks for these, they are comforting.

[Silentstar01]

Im a christian. Jesus is my savior

God bless

[xthunderx2]

Thank You Lord for all of your Blessings...We are all so grateful for all that you do... Please be with the people who need you Lord, please bring us your comfort at this difficult time.

[Earth_Song1]

Thank You Lord for all of your Blessings...We are all so grateful for all that you do... Please be with the people who need you Lord, please bring us your comfort at this difficult time.

Beautiful!! Amen!!

[mjjfan4ever]

what's the name of this hymn that is being played as the family comes in? i can't place the name.


http://www.accesshollywood.com/la-toya-jackson-michael-has-been-called-home-to-sing-with-the-angels-urges-fans-to-give-to-charities_article_22554

the video takes a few minutes to load.

[Earth_Song1]

what's the name of this hymn that is being played as the family comes in? i can't place the name.


http://www.accesshollywood.com/la-toya-jackson-michael-has-been-called-home-to-sing-with-the-angels-urges-fans-to-give-to-charities_article_22554

the video takes a few minutes to load.

It really sounds like his song Will You Be There. I thought I heard the announcer say that's what it was towards the end of the broadcast.

[Dianelesley]

I believe in God and have great faith. I fail daily at being a Christian but I do try. I know that whenever I have felt things are too difficult to bear I have felt supported by him. Even when I despair I often find after an event there is a reason for what has happened although it does not always present itself:

For today:

“Do not let your hearts be distressed. You believe in God; believe also in me. There are many dwelling places in my Father’s house. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going away to make ready a place for you. And if I go and make ready a place for you, I will come again and take you to be with me, so that where I am you may be too. And you know the way where I am going.”


Di x

[geekgirl101]

I am a strong and passionate believer in the teachings of Jesus Christ, although I am not religious since I don't often talk about my religious beliefs, I don't go to church for worship anymore, and when it comes to other religions and beliefs I am respectful of them and won't force my own on others if it'll cause them distress.

I believe in love and that through love we can change the course of humanity into a more caring family of people of all races and nations built to fight against poverty, famine, and disease and steer away from descrimination, war, abuse, violence, and abuse of alcohol or narcotics.

Like others I am saddened over the death of Michael Jackson and of many others in history who were world changers who died far too early in their lives. But God has his reasons and he felt that their work here was done, it's not for us to judge why he took them away so soon. We just have to go on believing and loving and making sure that people never forget the precious gems such as Michael Jackson as people like these only come once and we have to try to learn to stop taking them for granted and follow their example.

[Earth_Song1]

Geekgirl, I do not go to church either. That does not make us any less a Christian. I worship and pray at home and I read my bible, and I try and treat others the way Jesus would want me too. It's hard, I know.

Hugs!!

[Earth_Song1]

I believe in God and have great faith. I fail daily at being a Christian but I do try. I know that whenever I have felt things are too difficult to bear I have felt supported by him. Even when I despair I often find after an event there is a reason for what has happened although it does not always present itself:

For today:

“Do not let your hearts be distressed. You believe in God; believe also in me. There are many dwelling places in my Father’s house. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going away to make ready a place for you. And if I go and make ready a place for you, I will come again and take you to be with me, so that where I am you may be too. And you know the way where I am going.”


Di x

Nice, Di. Glad you made it in here. I fail daily at being a Christian too, don't feel bad. And yes, I still sin. I do repent though and try my hardest not to do it again. Jesus forgives and he is there all the time. We just need to call on him. He's only a prayer away.

[Michelle MC]

Catholic Christian here!

Being Catholic myself, I love your avatar.

[mscaite]

I am a strong and passionate believer in the teachings of Jesus Christ, although I am not religious since I don't often talk about my religious beliefs, I don't go to church for worship anymore, and when it comes to other religions and beliefs I am respectful of them and won't force my own on others if it'll cause them distress.

I believe in love and that through love we can change the course of humanity into a more caring family of people of all races and nations built to fight against poverty, famine, and disease and steer away from descrimination, war, abuse, violence, and abuse of alcohol or narcotics.

Like others I am saddened over the death of Michael Jackson and of many others in history who were world changers who died far too early in their lives. But God has his reasons and he felt that their work here was done, it's not for us to judge why he took them away so soon. We just have to go on believing and loving and making sure that people never forget the precious gems such as Michael Jackson as people like these only come once and we have to try to learn to stop taking them for granted and follow their example.

Wonderfully said.
I'm a christian, I do believe although I do not go to church much. I believe that you do not need to go to church, and it's perfectly alright to pray in private. Though I really should pray more.
Like GeekGirl101, I believe God would've taken Michael because it was his time. We shouldn't hold grudges, but be thankful that Michael was here.

[meena76]

As I posted before, I believe in Jesus as my Lord and Savior and I am Catholic. Anyway, I hear all different religions that Michael was. First he was raised JW, then I heard he converted to Islam. Now a few here are saying he converted to Christianity. Somebody outside this forum who likes Michael's music asked me for a source of Michael's conversion to Christianity, which I don't know. Do you have a source at all that says he converted? Thanks in advance.

I don't not what he source of conversion was

I do not believe he converted to Islam. I am sure he is knowledgeable about the religion though.

[Earth_Song1]

The Bible tells us that God knows how may days we will be here before we are born and he knows the exact numbers of hairs that are on our heads. We all go when it's our turn, sadly, it was MJ's turn, and we all miss him.

My grandmother has been gone 21 years almost and she was very strong in her faith, etc., and she would not want me to hold a grudge with God because he called her home. She suffered so much the last part of her life, and though I miss her so much and I think of her everyday and love her still, I know she finally at peace, in the Lord's presence, and singing his praises there.

[Michelle MC]

The Bible tells us that God knows how may days we will be here before we are born and he knows the exact numbers of hairs that are on our heads. We all go when it's our turn, sadly, it was MJ's turn, and we all miss him.

My grandmother has been gone 21 years almost and she was very strong in her faith, etc., and she would not want me to hold a grudge with God because he called her home. She suffered so much the last part of her life, and though I miss her so much and I think of her everyday and love her still, I know she finally at peace, in the Lord's presence, and singing his praises there.

Hi Earth Song,
I can't feel peace with Michael being gone because I believe he was murdered. I don't know if the doctor was purposely negligent or not, but I remember reading that $2 million was stolen as he took his last breath. It's just hard to me to really thing it was his time to go.

[Earth_Song1]

Hi Earth Song,
I can't feel peace with Michael being gone because I believe he was murdered. I don't know if the doctor was purposely negligent or not, but I remember reading that $2 million was stolen as he took his last breath. It's just hard to me to really thing it was his time to go.

I respect you're feelings, Michelle!! I really do, dear!!!

I think there was foul play too, so you are not alone there.

Hugs!!

[Earth_Song1]

How are my fellow believers today??

[Michelle MC]

How are my fellow believers today??

Feeling lost and sad.

How are you?

[Earth_Song1]

Feeling lost and sad.

How are you?

I am okay. I am getting ready for work. I am so glad I have only a 5 hour shift tonight.

HUGS!!!

[MJJ_luv1991]

Tired, but feeling great! It's hot outside, but we're having a cookout with some fellow Christians later. I thank the Lord for my family and friends!!!! :D

[Earth_Song1]

Tired, but feeling great! It's hot outside, but we're having a cookout with some fellow Christians later. I thank the Lord for my family and friends!!!! :D

Enjoy yourself for me!!!

[Callaendia]

Well, let's say: if Jesus was a charismatic, wise man who was trying to give people love and teach people about love and simple share love with them then yes, I blieve in him (believe him). I am just not sure if I believe all stories surrounding him, you know all those wonders etc. You know gossips, time passing by, Bible editions etc... we all had seen how a wondrous story about the fameous person can be created, except in this case those are good stories ;) ;) ;)

but I do believe in loving, wise and charismatic man, as I said before :yes:

[Earth_Song1]

I don't believe the bible is filled with stories, it is filled with the truth, and it's God's word. Believing in Jesus and worshipping him has more to do with being nice to others and how he was a caring man. He suffered horrible torment before His death. Was nailed to a cross, died and rose again 3 days later to save me and others from sin. That is not a story to me, it is a fact! No one else went through all of that for me, but Jesus did! He died for me, and he died for you.

Reminder, this is a thread for Christ and His believers. Believe what we believe in to take part in the discussion. I for one, don't like to hear how he was a fairytale, or how the bible is filled with stories. To us, Bible is facts! And so was HE!!

[Callaendia]

Yes, I understand what you are saying. I just ment that you can read the Bible literally or metaphorically... and New Testament it is written 'in stories' from literary point of view. Anyway, I posted in a casual, kind of funny manner, but I ment it with respect. Have a nice evening :waving:

[Michelle MC]

I am okay. I am getting ready for work. I am so glad I have only a 5 hour shift tonight.

HUGS!!!

I hope work goes by fast tonight. I know I hate working at night and I thank God that my bosses don't ask me to work nights(nor weekends now).

[Michelle MC]

Tired, but feeling great! It's hot outside, but we're having a cookout with some fellow Christians later. I thank the Lord for my family and friends!!!! :D

"Just enjoy yourself". Sound familiar? Really though, I hope you do enjoy yourself.

[Michelle MC]

I don't believe the bible is filled with stories, it is filled with the truth, and it's God's word. Believing in Jesus and worshipping him has more to do with being nice to others and how he was a caring man. He suffered horrible torment before His death. Was nailed to a cross, died and rose again 3 days later to save me and others from sin. That is not a story to me, it is a fact! No one else went through all of that for me, but Jesus did! He died for me, and he died for you.

Reminder, this is a thread for Christ and His believers. Believe what we believe in to take part in the discussion. I for one, don't like to hear how he was a fairytale, or how the bible is filled with stories. To us, Bible is facts! And so was HE!!


WONDERFUL post, Earth Song!!
:)

[MJJ_luv1991]

"Just enjoy yourself". Sound familiar? Really though, I hope you do enjoy yourself.

Of course it does!! And I will! It will make my day better.

[Michelle MC]

Of course it does!! And I will! It will make my day better.

That's good.

[Earth_Song1]

WONDERFUL post, Earth Song!!
:)

Thanks, Michelle!!

I am home from work, finally!!!

YAY!

[Earth_Song1]

Yes, I understand what you are saying. I just ment that you can read the Bible literally or metaphorically... and New Testament it is written 'in stories' from literary point of view. Anyway, I posted in a casual, kind of funny manner, but I ment it with respect. Have a nice evening :waving:

You have a good one, too.

[Michelle MC]

Thanks, Michelle!!

I am home from work, finally!!!

YAY!

That's good. I hope it went by quick for you.

[Earth_Song1]

It did somewhat! LOL!

[MJJ_luv1991]

I'm excited to go to church tomorrow and see everyone. They all ask about me all the time, and they love me, and I love them. God has blessed me with a wonderful church family!!!

[Earth_Song1]

I'm excited to go to church tomorrow and see everyone. They all ask about me all the time, and they love me, and I love them. God has blessed me with a wonderful church family!!!

ENJOY!!!

I used to have a great church family until a lot of them betrayed me. Soured me on going to church!!! I worship at home and here with you all!!!

Love you guys!

[MJJ_luv1991]

ENJOY!!!

I used to have a great church family until a lot of them betrayed me. Soured me on going to church!!! I worship at home and here with you all!!!

Love you guys!

However you choose to worship! It's okay! As long as you love God, there's no problem!! :D

<3

[Earth_Song1]

However you choose to worship! It's okay! As long as you love God, there's no problem!! :D

<3

Thank you! I appreciate that!!

Hugs to you, my friend!

[MJJ_luv1991]

Thank you! I appreciate that!!

Hugs to you, my friend!

Hugs to you and blessings!!! :)

[Earth_Song1]

Blessings back!!

[MJJ_luv1991]

Well, since it's Sunday now, Happy Sunday!!! Praise the Lord!

I'll be back with some Bible verses! I need to find some good ones!

[Earth_Song1]

I am glad I am in good company in this thread.

[Earth_Song1]

"Don’t you be afraid, for I am with you. Don’t be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you. Yes, I will help you. Yes, I will uphold you with the right hand of my righteousness."

Isaiah 41:10

[Earth_Song1]

A man of many companions may come to ruin, but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother. Proverbs 18:24 New International Version

Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion. But woe to him who is alone when he falls for he has no one to help him up. Ecclesiastes 4:9-10 New King James Version

A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity. Proverbs 17:17 New International Version

[MJJ_luv1991]

My pastor has an amazing story. He's from my town originally and was brought up in a Christian home, but then became a professional wrestler. He got into drugs and alcohol and it ruined his marriage. He then decided to leave pro wrestling because he realized what it was doing to him -- a wake-up call of sorts. He then was a country music promoter and turned down Alabama - I don't know what he was thinking! And then he and his wife (he remarried and had a son with her) had a TV station. Well, this church wanted them to tape services and show them on TV. Well, one day he was sitting in the back and had this nagging. He eventually let Jesus into his heart and went to seminary to become a pastor. His story is amazing whenever he tells it!

[Earth_Song1]

AMEN! Jaye!! Wonderful story!!

[MJJ_luv1991]

My pastor has also done prison ministry at a women's prison -- he has some great stories to tell about that!

We also had an amazing story within our church about 3 or 4 years ago.

A man, whose son I had gone to school with, had JUST gotten out of jail on Father's Day and walked across the street to our church. He had been a drug addict and an alcoholic. He was clean and sober but is a convicted felon. After that, he became a regular attender of my church. About a year or so passed, I'm not sure how long, and he joined our church and said that Jesus was his Lord and Savior. He's gone on 3 mission trips (he's a great addition because he does carpentry work, drywalling, etc.), is helping get a soup kitchen started in our town and it's almost done, and so much more! He's a great addition to our church and a great friend!

[Earth_Song1]

My husband used to play the drums in the praise band, but like I said, we had a fallout with people there. People spreading our business all over. We just decided to worship at home, in private and we can't be betrayed.

[MJJ_luv1991]

It's a shame that some churches are like that. We have our share of negative things going on, but it's with committees usually or people who complain about something that they don't like to our pastor. BUT, overall, we are a very welcoming church and people have said that they can feel Christ at work in our church.

[Earth_Song1]

It's a shame that some churches are like that. We have our share of negative things going on, but it's with committees usually or people who complain about something that they don't like to our pastor. BUT, overall, we are a very welcoming church and people have said that they can feel Christ at work in our church.

I am glad you're church is like that! :-)

[Earth_Song1]

Just Think

By Roy Lessin

You're here not by chance,
but by God's choosing.

His hand formed you
and made you the person you are.

He compares you to no one else.
You are one of a kind.

You lack nothing
that His grace can't give you.

He has allowed you to be here
at this time in history

to fulfill His special purpose
for this generation.

Be Assured
That regardless
Of where you are,
What you are doing,
Or what you
Are going through…
In all things,
In all ways,
God is doing the most loving thing
Concerning you.

He love you so much
And I thank him
So much for you

[The One.]

^ Thanks for that, Earth Song :huggy:

[Earth_Song1]

You're welcome, theone!! I actually bought that on a nice card at the Christian bookstore, but I can't find it now.

[Earth_Song1]

How was everyone's Sunday? I packed for an upcoming move and now I am relaxing.

[qbee]

I didnt know where else to post this _
I just want to be near my faithful friends who believe
In Jesus and a better life for the faithful with him in heaven.
You support has meant so much to me ..

My Sister Christine Passed away today from cancer. I spent this morning with her holding her hand and singing to her about Jesus & heaven. I want to thank YOU my friends for your support and prayers over the last few weeks. It meant so much to me and gave me strength. Please know how much I love and appreciate all of you and continue to keep my family and myself in Your prayers at this time _ I Love you, Mickie

[Earth_Song1]

I didnt know where else to post this _
I just want to be near my faithful friends who believe
In Jesus and a better life for the faithful with him in heaven.
You support has meant so much to me ..

My Sister Christine Passed away today from cancer. I spent this morning with her holding her hand and singing to her about Jesus & heaven. I want to thank YOU my friends for your support and prayers over the last few weeks. It meant so much to me and gave me strength. Please know how much I love and appreciate all of you and continue to keep my family and myself in Your prayers at this time _ I Love you, Mickie

AWWW Mickie, I am so sorry, and yes, you posted this in the right place. HUGS!! Do you have a facebook?? If not, PM me and get my email!!!

Love ya!! and will be praying for you all!!!

[MJJ_luv1991]

We went and visited my 103-year-old (104 next month) great-great aunt at her house. It was great to see her and I am so blessed to have her in my life.

Prayers and hugs to you, Qbee!

[Michelle MC]

I didnt know where else to post this _
I just want to be near my faithful friends who believe
In Jesus and a better life for the faithful with him in heaven.
You support has meant so much to me ..

My Sister Christine Passed away today from cancer. I spent this morning with her holding her hand and singing to her about Jesus & heaven. I want to thank YOU my friends for your support and prayers over the last few weeks. It meant so much to me and gave me strength. Please know how much I love and appreciate all of you and continue to keep my family and myself in Your prayers at this time _ I Love you, Mickie


Qbee,
I'm sorry for the loss of your sister. Please be assured of my prayers for you and your family.

[Earth_Song1]

We went and visited my 103-year-old (104 next month) great-great aunt at her house. It was great to see her and I am so blessed to have her in my life.

Prayers and hugs to you, Qbee!

WOW! What a milestone!! My husband's grandma lived to be 101. She died in 2001.