The 1993 case. [Threads merged, All discussion in this one thread]

[MichaelMySoul]

Ive got alot of questions about the 1992-1993 case with Michaels first accusor. I was too young when this happened so I wanted some info as Im watching lots of interviews at the moment...

Where was Michael when he first heard the alligations, what country?
Was he doing a tour when the alligations made headlines?
Did he stop his tour when the alligations made headlines and cancelled lots of concerts or did he continue to tour knowing what he had been accused of? (That would have been terrible and I want to know incase I watch a Dangerous concert...)
If he was abroad, when did Michael return back to America for questioning?
He said on the tv-statement he had gotten treatment for his drugabuse, does anyone know where he got treatment, what state/country?
I saw the Diane Sawyer interview and Elizabeth Taylor said she visited Michael in Singapore, was he there during the tour or just for escapism?
When was the settlement finished, how many weeks/months after the alligations?

Im asking because I feel that I need to know since Im watching all these interviews but Im not catching up with the information.

[snowhite]

you can read about the period when he got treatment for drug abuse on this page, towards the bottom of the page there are a few old articles
http://www.the-michael-jackson-archives.com/historynews.html

and here's a GQ article from 1994 that explains the details
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/gq/gq03.html

[MichaelMySoul]

Thank you very much! :)

[Moon Dancer]

I was there and had a terrible experience.
Heres what I know, my experience.
I had some newspaper articles from that year too, by the way::


Did he stop his tour when the alligations made headlines and cancelled lots of concerts or did he continue to tour knowing what he had been accused of? (That would have been terrible and I want to know incase I watch a Dangerous concert...)

YES HE CANCELLED, he cancelled Dangerous tour. I had my tickets to watch MJ live, but due to the accusations THAT YEAR, and all the legal issues Michael Jackson got very sick and cancelled the tour.

I had for sure too the first news said it was an extortion case.

So, that first accusation means to me a lot , I missed my only chance ot see MJ live on his super awesome Dangerous tour...

[MichaelMySoul]

Oh god I read through the article about where he was given treatment.. Such a sweet and tragic story.. Im happy he put on weight and slept better and became happier during his visit. I need to read more about this period because frankly I knew nothing! I was all about the Invincible-Number-Ones-Thriller-era, theres so much to read about Michaels eras and what he went through.

[MichaelMySoul]

YES HE CANCELLED, he cancelled Dangerous tour. I had my tickets to watch MJ live, but due to the accusations THAT YEAR, and all the legal issues Michael Jackson got very sick and cancelled the tour.

OMG :cry: I had no idea!!! This is shit, at the top of his career they do this to him :cry: I remember when Number Ones came out, and the second alligations were made like that day or the next day after. Im so sorry Michael that everyone tried to bring you down when you were doing so well. :cry:

[BillieJean84]

I do have a question about the case too but its kind of explicit....

[mjjfan4ever]

I remember the official statement MJ made in 93 like it happened yesterday.... which is etched in my memory forever... such an awful time to remember.

poor baby had to go through so much. all because of GREED. I hope these people......

[MichaelMySoul]

BillieJean84, whats your question? Maybe this can be the thread for those of us who knew very little about that period of time. Ive totally been neglecting this part of Michaels life, I never listen to the Dangerous album, I never look at videos from this era or even watch interviews or photos. So Im doing my research now.. I loved the NAACP speech Michael made after he came back from rehabilitation.

About the first alligations, did Michael appear alot in public or did he go into hiding when he was depressed? Im amazed at his strenght for coming back. I cant even imagine looking at the tabloids and the tv news and having crap talked about him, that time must have been awful.

[Pez]

good god i remember being 8 or 9 years old when michael made that statement on tv with the red shirt and i remember crying saying "this is not true" "leave him alone"

[mjjfan4ever]

good god i remember being 8 or 9 years old when michael made that statement on tv with the red shirt and i remember crying saying "this is not true" "leave him alone"

TRAUMATIZED is the best way to describe it. I was traumatized and I didn't go through what he had to endure.

Yea... i remember vividly the red shirt... his face, his hair... awful!

[BillieJean84]

The question is .. it involves what the kid testified to ; something about knowing the way MJs private part looked. Some ppl are really sick and if that kid somehow knew - he testified to knowing- that kid is really sick

[2600becs]

i was the same age pez. i wasn't old enough to understand. i just remember my sister saying to people things like 'you don't think he did it do you?!' i didn't know what they were talking about but i DID know that he wouldn't have done anything bad.
i just don't understand why such a sweet, kind and loving person would be treated so badly. the world is so strange

[MichaelMySoul]

I was 8 years old too when Michael made that statement, but I dont remember any of it. Infact I dont remember half of my childhood sadly. I do vaguely remember something about Michael being accused of horrible things but I cant recall thinking they were true because I had his cassette tapes and I looked up to him as if he was my father.

[bouee]

Ive got alot of questions about the 1992-1993 case with Michaels first accusor. I was too young when this happened so I wanted some info as Im watching lots of interviews at the moment...


Where was Michael when he first heard the alligations, what country?
I'm not sure, it began a week before he left for the tour I think. I'm talking about the police investigations. I think Michael was probably aware before that that there was a problem, but didn't want to nogotiate with that family.


Was he doing a tour when the alligations made headlines?
Yes he was beginning the second leg of the Dangerous tour in Asia.


Did he stop his tour when the alligations made headlines and cancelled lots of concerts or did he continue to tour knowing what he had been accused of? (That would have been terrible and I want to know incase I watch a Dangerous concert...)
He went on with the tour for a few months, 2 months I think, he cancelled a few shows. Stranger in Moscow was written at that time, and is about how he felt during that part of the tour. He eventually cancelled the end of the tour in early November, in Latin America.


If he was abroad, when did Michael return back to America for questioning?
He cancelled the tour, went to Europe in rehab for about a month, and came back to the US in early december.


He said on the tv-statement he had gotten treatment for his drugabuse, does anyone know where he got treatment, what state/country? England, London area.


I saw the Diane Sawyer interview and Elizabeth Taylor said she visited Michael in Singapore, was he there during the tour or just for escapism? During the tour.


When was the settlement finished, how many weeks/months after the alligations?
The settlement for the civil lawsuit was finalised in late January 94. The criminal investigation sort of "stopped" in November that year (94). Michael was not charged, the case remained open until the satute of limitations had run (99 I think).

[elmari]

BillieJean84, whats your question? Maybe this can be the thread for those of us who knew very little about that period of time. Ive totally been neglecting this part of Michaels life, I never listen to the Dangerous album, I never look at videos from this era or even watch interviews or photos. So Im doing my research now.. I loved the NAACP speech Michael made after he came back from rehabilitation.

About the first alligations, did Michael appear alot in public or did he go into hiding when he was depressed? Im amazed at his strenght for coming back. I cant even imagine looking at the tabloids and the tv news and having crap talked about him, that time must have been awful.

Michael did make an appearance at the NAACP awards after the allegations hit. He made a very, very strong statement at the awards show and it looked like so many people at the show were very supportive of Mike and had his back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK8dAlx2IHQ

Also, I am going to put this out there to shed some light on the question ^^ about Michael's private area (Mods, please delete my post if this is inappropriate). There has been heavy speculation that Michael was becoming romantically involved with June Chandler, the mother of the accuser and that Jordan and/or his father did not like that. When Michael went on tour and sort of put the relationship on hold (or was just not into her anymore), June got mad. So there is talk that she may have given info about Michael's genitals to Evan. But another theory is that when Michael would stay over at June's house, there was hidden cameras put in the bathrooms and Evan got footage of Michael in the bathroom.

The descriptions did not match Michael. But Michael still had to go through the pain and humiliation of a strip search and people taking pictures of his private parts. I just cannot imagine how he got through all of that, knowing how he is. :(

[MichaelMySoul]

I'm not sure, it began a week before he left for the tour I think. I'm talking about the police investigations. I think Michael was probably aware before that that there was a problem, but didn't want to nogotiate with that family.

Yes he was beginning the second leg of the Dangerous tour in Asia.

He went on with the tour for a few months, 2 months I think, he cancelled a few shows. Stranger in Moscow was written at that time, and is about how he felt during that part of the tour. He eventually cancelled the end of the tour in early November, in Latin America.

He cancelled the tour, went in Europe in rehab for about a month, and came back to the US in early december.

England, London area.

During the tour.

The settlement for the civil lawsuit was finalised in late January 94. The criminal investigation sort of "stopped" in November that year (94). Michael was not charged, the case remained open until the satute of limitations had run (99 I think).

Thank you so very much for this information, I never knew any of this and this cleared up alot of questions I had, now I have more info about this era and what went on. If its true that Michael knew about this before he went on tour he must have felt horrible about it knowing the story was about to get out, if the pressure of touring wasnt enough.. then this happens. I wonder if Michael was ''traumatized'' by touring because of this...

[bouee]

The question is .. it involves what the kid testified to ; something about knowing the way MJs private part looked. Some ppl are really sick and if that kid somehow knew - he testified to knowing- that kid is really sick

He was 13 at the time, and we don't really know what he said exactly, and in what circumstances he did that.

All we know is that at some point he refused to collaborate with the investigation in 93 or 94, and he refused again to testify in 2005.

[mjjfan4ever]

The question is .. it involves what the kid testified to ; something about knowing the way MJs private part looked. Some ppl are really sick and if that kid somehow knew - he testified to knowing- that kid is really sick


http://mjjr.net/content/mjcase/faq.html

go to the rumor vs facts part ....

[MichaelMySoul]

Michael did make an appearance at the NAACP awards after the allegations hit. He made a very, very strong statement at the awards show and it looked like so many people at the show were very supportive of Mike and had his back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK8dAlx2IHQ

Also, I am going to put this out there to shed some light on the question ^^ about Michael's private area (Mods, please delete my post if this is inappropriate). There has been heavy speculation that Michael was becoming romantically involved with June Chandler, the mother of the accuser and that Jordan and/or his father did not like that. When Michael went on tour and sort of put the relationship on hold (or was just not into her anymore), June got mad. So there is talk that she may have given info about Michael's genitals to Evan. But another theory is that when Michael would stay over at June's house, there was hidden cameras put in the bathrooms and Evan got footage of Michael in the bathroom.

The descriptions did not match Michael. But Michael still had to go through the pain and humiliation of a strip search and people taking pictures of his private parts. I just cannot imagine how he got through all of that, knowing how he is. :(

Thank you for this information, whether is true or not its definitely interesting and I doubt that its fabricated. If the case was that Michael fell inlove with June and they did this out of revenge (and money since the father of the kid wanted to start a record lable..) its very sad, Michael was all about love and they tried to make him out to be a monster. I cringe and get teary eyed when I think about the pressure he was in, he was in the spotlight, at the height of his career, doing what he loved and this happened. People suck and I can never get over this.

[MichaelMySoul]

He was 13 at the time, and we don't really know what he said exactly, and in what circumstances he did that.

All we know is that at some point he refused to collaborate with the investigation in 93 or 94, and he refused again to testify in 2005.

Its all too obvious it pisses me off when I think about it. The refusal of testifying is proof enough nothing happened. He was too ashamed to face Michael in court because he knew nothing happened. Same with that disgusting rat kid Arvizo, he refused to testify aswell. What a coward. Im so pissed Im loss for words.. Why cant Jordan be a man and come out and tell people the truth already?

[bouee]

About the first alligations, did Michael appear alot in public or did he go into hiding when he was depressed? Im amazed at his strenght for coming back. I cant even imagine looking at the tabloids and the tv news and having crap talked about him, that time must have been awful.

He never really appeared much in public, so after the allegations it didn't change. I just remember the Neverland speech, and the NAACP awards.

I live in Europe, so I don't know how it was in the US. I think people here didn't really believe the allegations at first.

The settlement was misunderstood (we didn't have the internet back then, so the mainstream media were VERY powerful, it was more difficult to find information at that time).

As I said, the settlement was what changed the opinion back then : people didn't understand why he would pay if he was innocent. Especially if you don't understand the legal system and procedures in the US.

And the media at the time didn't really explain it either.

[bouee]

Its all too obvious it pisses me off when I think about it. The refusal of testifying is proof enough nothing happened. Yes probably, I understand it this way too.


He was too ashamed to face Michael in court because he knew nothing happened.
I don't know, he never gave his reasons for refusing to testify and / or help with the investigation. The case is complicated, it's difficult for me to have an opinion about what Jordan did. We don't really know what he actually said, and in what circumstances he said these things.
I came to think that refusing to testify might be the "safest" way for him to say that nothing happened.
I would put the blame on Jordan's father, rather than Jordan himself. And the civil lawyers who helped him.


Same with that disgusting rat kid Arvizo, he refused to testify aswell. What a coward. Im so pissed Im loss for words.. Why cant Jordan be a man and come out and tell people the truth already?
They did testify. Their testimonies were so inconsistant that they really helped to get Michael aquitted : it was obvious they were lying.

[elmari]

I also want to point out that the settlement was NOT PAID OUT BY MICHAEL. It was actually paid out by Michael's insurance company. Michael did not know what to do and all of his advisors and Lisa Marie Presley (whom he was dating at the time) told him to settle the case to put it behind him. He just wanted the problem to go away.

FYI, I know that I am leaving out some important details that led to these decisions but I can't remember them off the top of my head. From what I remember reading, I think at first Michael wanted to go to trial to clear his name, but then his advisors told him that they didn't know how a jury in Southern California would judge him during this time (1993). This was only a few years after the Rodney King stuff that happened and Michael's team was worried about racism.

There is a thread that I frequent at another MJ forum where it's really 'no holds barred' and the members there are very analytical and knowledgeable. I've learned a lot of stuff there, but the thread is not specifically about the 1993 allegations.

[bouee]

Thank you so very much for this information, I never knew any of this and this cleared up alot of questions I had, now I have more info about this era and what went on. If its true that Michael knew about this before he went on tour he must have felt horrible about it knowing the story was about to get out, if the pressure of touring wasnt enough.. then this happens. I wonder if Michael was ''traumatized'' by touring because of this...

I'm glad it helps ! It's important to try and get objective information about this case, because there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.

You can search the forum here, and here are a few links for you :

http://floacist.wordpress.com/ that's an interesting blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ5LixzZbak explanations by Thomas Mesereau

I don't think Michael was traumatised with touring because of that. He already said that he didn't want to tour anymore after the Bad tour.

But it must have been incredubly difficult to be on tour at that time.

I think he just didn't expect the 93 allegations to go that far. It's easy to accuse someone of anything.... proving it is another story.
In my opinion, he expected to be able to prove his innocence publicly. Which he couldn't do, because he was forced to settle the civil lawsuit and eventually there was no criminal trial.

[Jadentheman]

Didn't he at first want to do the trial to prove to everyone he was innocent? Somehow I just wished he went through the trial and been proven innocent rather than paying it would had a better outcome on his rep.

[mjjfan4ever]

Didn't he at first want to do the trial to prove to everyone he was innocent? Somehow I just wished he went through the trial and been proven innocent rather than paying it would had a better outcome on his rep.

he wanted to go to trial... otherwise he would have paid off evan chandler from the very beginning and no one would have heard about it.

but i think the issue was that .... there would have been two trials. a civil and the trial by the state.

the civil was suppose to precede the the criminal trial which could have been bad as whatever was said /testified in that case could have been used in the criminal trial.

to go ahead with civil first and then criminal meant that the prosecution would have had an unfair advantage it seems is part of the reason why the case was settled.

i hope that made sense.

also.... mike didn't settle the lawsuit the insurance company did.

just a mess!

[bouee]

Sorry, I edited my previous post while you were posting... I think, he wanted to go to trial, but as mjjfan4ever said, he couldn't.

It's obvious now that he shouldn't have settled. But at the time, given the circumstances and the timeline, it was not that obvious.

[bouee]

There is a thread that I frequent at another MJ forum where it's really 'no holds barred' and the members there are very analytical and knowledgeable. I've learned a lot of stuff there, but the thread is not specifically about the 1993 allegations.

Could you post / PM me the link ? I am VERY interested ! thanks !

[mjjfan4ever]

Sorry, I edited my previous post while you were posting... I think, he wanted to go to trial, but as mjjfan4ever said, he couldn't.

It's obvious now that he shouldn't have settled. But at the time, given the circumstances and the timeline, it was not that obvious.

yea... i always thought "well they should have gone to trial"... but then came to realize it wasn't that simple.

i don't know. i wish 93 had never happened.

[snowhite]

Oh god I read through the article about where he was given treatment.. Such a sweet and tragic story.. Im happy he put on weight and slept better and became happier during his visit.

yes it's sad to read isn't it? I think everyone should read those articles to see what MJ went through

this is not about the case itself but it's a picture taken during one of his concerts when the allegations broke out, and here he's looking at the crowd and he's crying...I saw it a year ago and it stuck in my mind
http://i36.tinypic.com/2j18prc.jpg

[MichaelMySoul]

yes it's sad to read isn't it? I think everyone should read those articles to see what MJ went through

this is not about the case itself but it's a picture taken during one of his concerts when the allegations broke out, and here he's looking at the crowd and he's crying...I saw it a year ago and it stuck in my mind
http://i36.tinypic.com/2j18prc.jpg

Oh my god Im heartbroken, I wish I knew then what he went through during the Dangerous tour, I never knew this went on during the concerts, I thought everything was alright and that the alligations started the day he returned back to USA. :cry: How come I never checked my info more correctly? Ive been living in denial for years. From now on I will look differently on the Dangerous tour

I can clearly see that pic he had been crying. He hid it well... Oh my god I feel more pain now when I look back on how his life was, I had no idea! :cry:

Thank you SO SO much for sharing this with me. I feel that this is important to know especially for my closure.

[bouee]

http://mjjr.net/content/mjcase/faq.html

go to the rumor vs facts part ....

great link, thank you !

Yes, I wish it had never happened too... Or that there would have been a criminal trial, so he could have proved his innocence as publicly as he was accused.

[MichaelMySoul]

I also want to point out that the settlement was NOT PAID OUT BY MICHAEL. It was actually paid out by Michael's insurance company. Michael did not know what to do and all of his advisors and Lisa Marie Presley (whom he was dating at the time) told him to settle the case to put it behind him. He just wanted the problem to go away.

FYI, I know that I am leaving out some important details that led to these decisions but I can't remember them off the top of my head. From what I remember reading, I think at first Michael wanted to go to trial to clear his name, but then his advisors told him that they didn't know how a jury in Southern California would judge him during this time (1993). This was only a few years after the Rodney King stuff that happened and Michael's team was worried about racism.

There is a thread that I frequent at another MJ forum where it's really 'no holds barred' and the members there are very analytical and knowledgeable. I've learned a lot of stuff there, but the thread is not specifically about the 1993 allegations.

Yes, the money was paid from his insurance company, I believe this case was far more complicated than it seemed on the outside, the headlines all said ''Michael paid accusor millions in a settlement to hush hush what happend'' but no one ever talks about the fact that his insurance company paid the father and that Michael didnt really want to do it but they had no other choise. We need more articles on the fact that Chandler the father wanted to run a record lable or whatever it was and was craving for money before the alligations started.

Thank you for the information.


I'm glad it helps ! It's important to try and get objective information about this case, because there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.

You can search the forum here, and here are a few links for you :

http://floacist.wordpress.com/ that's an interesting blog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ5LixzZbak explanations by Thomas Mesereau

I don't think Michael was traumatised with touring because of that. He already said that he didn't want to tour anymore after the Bad tour.

But it must have been incredubly difficult to be on tour at that time.

I think he just didn't expect the 93 allegations to go that far. It's easy to accuse someone of anything.... proving it is another story.
In my opinion, he expected to be able to prove his innocence publicly. Which he couldn't do, because he was forced to settle the civil lawsuit and eventually there was no criminal trial.

You are absolutely correct. And Im glad I was taught a little lesson here, to not be so harsh on the boy. I think it all comes down to the father and Michael knew this from the getgo, this has nothing to do with children, Michael always knew the children he was involved with were innocent and loving, its their parents who forced them to say and do these things and its disgusting how the media twist things around to make Michael look guilty.

If this wouldnt have been blown up Michael could have easily continued with his career and have this case locked up and forgotten, it was just an accusation, no proof was made, no testimonies were made. Yet it destroyed so much. I had been hoping years ago that this case would clear up, but because Michaels insurance company paid the family in their settlement Michael hasnt been allowed to discuss the matter, what truly happened, nor the Chandler family. Both of them knew the truth but neither one was able to share.

[parli123]

Michael wanted to go to trial but where money is concerned his advisors thought it was better to pay up and continue to make money, rather be bogged down with a 2 or 3 yr trial. Greed at the end of the day. I do not believe that Michael was involved with June. He was too much of a gentleman.

[crazy4umjackson]

you can read about the period when he got treatment for drug abuse on this page, towards the bottom of the page there are a few old articles
http://www.the-michael-jackson-archives.com/historynews.html

and here's a GQ article from 1994 that explains the details
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/gq/gq03.html

Aaamazing articles. Made me really really sad to see what he went through. I never read any articles on him, i was very young during those times. But it really makes me sad. Thanks for sharing. I am not yet done with reading..taking article by article.

[MichaelMySoul]

:wub:
Aaamazing articles. Made me really really sad to see what he went through. I never read any articles on him, i was very young during those times. But it really makes me sad. Thanks for sharing. I am not yet done with reading..taking article by article.

We both learned something new today! Im still reading too.. Im glad I made this thread, it started off as a 1993 case but now Im learning new things about Michaels life after that. Its one thing to say ''I know the 93' case hurt him'', I mean just listen to HIstory album.. But its another to read articles and hear from people how it was and how it changed him.

[amyzabeth]

If you really want to know a lot about the 93 case read "Redemption" by Geraldine Hughes. Here is a site you can read the book at. Well that's where I read it anyways. Very informative though. Also makes me extremely angry!! I'm just getting angry thinking about the things these sick people did to Michael ;(

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/red/red1zc.html

[MichaelMySoul]

Thank you amyzabeth!

[PrincessMichaela]

I'm glad it helps ! It's important to try and get objective information about this case, because there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.

You can search the forum here, and here are a few links for you :

http://floacist.wordpress.com/ that's an interesting blog


Floacist is a phenomenal blog. Anyone who hasn't checked it out needs to. It gives you everything you ever wanted to know about both cases and the author gives some insider knowledge as well - Be sure to read through all of the comments too, because there's a lot of information there as well.



The question is .. it involves what the kid testified to ; something about knowing the way MJs private part looked. Some ppl are really sick and if that kid somehow knew - he testified to knowing- that kid is really sick

Well, firstly, Jordan got one pivotal thing wrong from the start: Circumcised or uncircumcised, (I won't go into detail for the sake of Michael's privacy) but Jordan was wrong. He was just a few months shy of his fourteenth birthday, c'mon, now... [Just like thirteen-year-old Gavin, who was caught stealing booze and porn, didn't know what an ejaculation was...]

And well, - if the above wasn't proof enough - this should answer that question...
LMAO...

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/his-description-was-accurate/

[elusive moonwalker]

If he was abroad, when did Michael return back to America for questioning?
he was never questioned. he came back the usa in december and gave the speech from neverland on i think the 22nd .

[elusive moonwalker]

Michael wanted to go to trial but where money is concerned his advisors thought it was better to pay up and continue to make money, rather be bogged down with a 2 or 3 yr trial. Greed at the end of the day. I do not believe that Michael was involved with June. He was too much of a gentleman.

the insurance company settled the negligence part of the case. mj did not want this to happen.

[elusive moonwalker]

We need more articles on the fact that Chandler the father wanted to run a record lable or whatever it was and was craving for money before the alligations started.

evan chandler tried to sue mj again in 1995. he filed against mj lisa marie and sony. maybe some others. he claimed that mj had broken the confidentiality clause in the settlement by writing songs on the history album. he asked a judge to give him permission to record and release his own album where he would sing songs about his son being abused!! he even gave song titles in the lawsuit. (not very pretty) the judge through the case out but it went on for a while as they do. evan basically spent all his money he got in the settlement trying to after mj a second time. last we heard was that jordan has got a retraining order out against evan cause evan had atacked jordan with a large weight.jordan said evan had tried to kiill him. this happened around 05.court papers were available but we never heard anything afterwards.

[MichaelMySoul]

evan chandler tried to sue mj again in 1995. he filed against mj lisa marie and sony. maybe some others. he claimed that mj had broken the confidentiality clause in the settlement by writing songs on the history album. he asked a judge to give him permission to record and release his own album where he would sing songs about his son being abused!! he even gave song titles in the lawsuit. (not very pretty) the judge through the case out but it went on for a while as they do. evan basically spent all his money he got in the settlement trying to after mj a second time. last we heard was that jordan has got a retraining order out against evan cause evan had atacked jordan with a large weight.jordan said evan had tried to kiill him. this happened around 05.court papers were available but we never heard anything afterwards.

Thank you for this information, its so important. If this had been printed out in papers along with the accusation articles, more people would have a better understanding of who Evan Chandler was and what was really going on. That is bizarre..

By the way I was looking at the drawing Jordan made and is that really how you do investgations on alleged childmolestation? You draw photos from the private area and then take photos of Michaels parts and see if they match? Ive never heard of such method before. Not only was it pointless but I think that was the most humiliating thing that happened to Michael. He was already suffering low selfesteem with his face, and now he had to strip and let people photograph places most people cant even look at. Its so disturbing and sad.

[PlatinumMJFan]

I do know that Michael was planning on touring the US in early 1994 with his dangerous tour. Such a shame that never happened!

[Yazman]

Everybody was still extremely supportive of Michael when the allegations came out and through the time, I still remember hearing on the news about how it was just extortion etc. It wasn't until they settled the case that people started to turn against him and start making jokes etc.

[MJMarty]

Everybody was still extremely supportive of Michael when the allegations came out and through the time, I still remember hearing on the news about how it was just extortion etc. It wasn't until they settled the case that people started to turn against him and start making jokes etc.

Yeah that's true, but when the second allegations came up, a lot of people joined those "jokers." I remember hating kids in school who made fun of him during the 2005 trial...

[Suzie B]

I remember the 1993 allegations I was only 11 but I remember feeling so sad. I agree -People didn't make that many jokes from what I remember until the settlement.

Am I correct in thinking that it was the concern for Michael's wellbeing (I think mainly from Liz Taylor) with the drug addiction etc that he was to pay the Chandler's?

[Yazman]

Yeah. Even though there was no evidence against him, the fact that they chose to settle it meant that some people became suspicious and began to turn against him. Then in 2005 when Neverland got raided it was reinforced in the public's eye.

I wish that they had of just gone to the damn trial in 1993 sometimes, then everything would have been totally different.

Suzie_B: Yes I believe you are correct. Michael himself did not approve of a settlement and wanted to go to trial, but Lisa Marie and Liz Taylor were very concerned for his health and didn't think he would make it through a trial.

[Suzie B]

^^ I know how you feel, that thought often crosses my mind - but then if Michael was in a really bad way, he would have got worse in a trial and then all what we are sufferinf with now could have been then, who knows? Just wish to God that things could have been different. Michael was always kicked down when he was at the top. ALWAYS.

[Adore]

Didn't he at first want to do the trial to prove to everyone he was innocent? Somehow I just wished he went through the trial and been proven innocent rather than paying it would had a better outcome on his rep.

Not necessarily true. At the end of the day, a settlement was the only guaranteed way for Michael to come out of this with his freedom. Read this for a better understanding http://surftofind.com/settle

[Rubi]

evan chandler tried to sue mj again in 1995. he filed against mj lisa marie and sony. maybe some others. he claimed that mj had broken the confidentiality clause in the settlement by writing songs on the history album. he asked a judge to give him permission to record and release his own album where he would sing songs about his son being abused!! he even gave song titles in the lawsuit. (not very pretty) the judge through the case out but it went on for a while as they do. evan basically spent all his money he got in the settlement trying to after mj a second time. last we heard was that jordan has got a retraining order out against evan cause evan had atacked jordan with a large weight.jordan said evan had tried to kiill him. this happened around 05.court papers were available but we never heard anything afterwards.

This is new information to me. Thanks for sharing.
So it was not enough money, the question was actually destroying MJ somehow ...
It makes me think that it is not just an isolated case but reported to someone ¨ ¨ ... this seems to link all the other facts.

From time to time one attacks destroy MJ. But never did. This is everything ...

Sorry, the English is not my first language and overcome with emotion (pain) may not be able to make me understand.

[elusive moonwalker]

Yeah. Even though there was no evidence against him, the fact that they chose to settle it meant that some people became suspicious and began to turn against him. Then in 2005 when Neverland got raided it was reinforced in the public's eye.

I wish that they had of just gone to the damn trial in 1993 sometimes, then everything would have been totally different.

Suzie_B: Yes I believe you are correct. Michael himself did not approve of a settlement and wanted to go to trial, but Lisa Marie and Liz Taylor were very concerned for his health and didn't think he would make it through a trial.

mj never settled the case. the case of negligence was settled by the insurance company. mj didnt not want this to happen below is the motion from the 05 trial where it is talked about. this is something the media have never mentioned because it goes against the agenda they have


http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?...ost&id=3874 (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3874)
This motion filed by T-Mez during the trial last year should clear that info:

Hightlights: Memo in Support of Objection to Subpoena for Settlement Documents
The following are excerpts from the court document:

Pg3 The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jackson's insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel.

It is general practice for an insurer to be entitled to control settlement negotiations and the insured is precluded from any interference.

…Under the majority of contracts for liability insurance, the absolute control of the defense of the matter is turned over to the insurance company and the insured is excluded from any interference in any negotiation for settlement or other legal proceedings (emphasis added).

…An insurance carrier has the right to settle claims covered by insurance when it decides settlement is expedient and the insured may not interfere with nor prevent such settlements.

Pg2 Because insurance companies were the source of the settlement amounts, and the insurance companies make the payments based on their contractual rights to settle the proceeding without Mr. Jackson's permission, the settlement does not constitute an admission and cannot be used to create such an impermissible inference to the jury.

Pg3 The speculative suggestion that Mr. Jackson somehow made an admission when an insurance company required a settlement, and in fact paid for the settlement, creates an impermissible inference to the jury that would deprive Mr. Jackson of due process of law.

Pg 4 It is unfair for an insurance company's settlement to be now held against Mr. Jackson or for the Settlement Agreement to be admitted as evidence of Mr. Jackson's prior conduct or guilt. Mr. Jackson could not control nor interfere with his insurance carrier's demand to settle the dispute.

Pg9-10 Permitting evidence of settlement agreements or amounts would be speculative because there is no evidence Michael Jackson made the settlement. Settlements in civil suits many times are dictated by insurance companies who settle claims regardless of an individual's wishes.

Although Jordan Chandler was interviewed "thereafter" by detectives seeking evidence to offer in a child molestation prosecution of Michael Jackson, "no criminal charges were filed as a result of that interview."

This interview took place prior to the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Stogner v California, 539 U.S. 607, 613 (2003), holding California's retroactive extension of the statute of limitations to be unconstitutional.

In other words, Jordan Chandler's statements were not sufficient even at that earlier time, to support child molestation charges against Michael Jackson, and to now permit the suggestion of a settlement agreement for some improper act is not only irrelevant, but also a speculative violation of the statute of limitations

After this motion, the judge ruled that the prosecution were not allowed to allude to or include any information or suggested allegation that MJ paid the Chandlers because he didn't the insurance paid over MJ's and his lawyers objections...

Another thing to note... when Evan was filing suit he included "negligence course of distress" knowing full well the insurance would pay for that which would pave way for the Chandlers to avoid the criminal trial. MJ and his team were pushing for the criminal trial, they filed a motion to stop the civil trial, put in on hold to wait for the criminal trial but they were denied that chance.....

[elusive moonwalker]

ppl need to know aswell that at the time motions were filed with the court to stop any civil case coming to trial before a criminal case could be heard. this is very important because basically what it means is that if a civil case happens b4 the crim one all sneddon had to do was sit in the courtroom and listen to mjs defence and then build a criminal case around it. if this had happened it would have been very dangerous for mj. of course the judge refused to stop the civil case from happening. years later the law was actually changed where a D,A can have a civil case stopped until the crim case is over. why do u think the arvizos didnt file a suit. because according to reports sneddon had warned them not to because he would have it stopped. of course they blamed mj for this law change when infact he had been asking for it all along. they used mj as the reason saying he stopped a crim case from happening by paying off the kid. which is of course totoally the opposite of what mj wanted

[elusive moonwalker]

I do know that Michael was planning on touring the US in early 1994 with his dangerous tour. Such a shame that never happened!

fans have mentioned this but tbh ive never seen any evidence of that. no tickets for USA concerts were ever on sale.no dates had ever been anounced at that stage. which they would have been if he were doing shows there.the Oz leg of the tour got cancelled

[dancemasterman]

you can read about the period when he got treatment for drug abuse on this page, towards the bottom of the page there are a few old articles
http://www.the-michael-jackson-archives.com/historynews.html

and here's a GQ article from 1994 that explains the details
http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books2/gq/gq03.html


the gq articles is not completely accurate. you can hear the taped phone calls on you tube.

[elmari]

evan chandler tried to sue mj again in 1995. he filed against mj lisa marie and sony. maybe some others. he claimed that mj had broken the confidentiality clause in the settlement by writing songs on the history album. he asked a judge to give him permission to record and release his own album where he would sing songs about his son being abused!! he even gave song titles in the lawsuit. (not very pretty) the judge through the case out but it went on for a while as they do. evan basically spent all his money he got in the settlement trying to after mj a second time. last we heard was that jordan has got a retraining order out against evan cause evan had atacked jordan with a large weight.jordan said evan had tried to kiill him. this happened around 05.court papers were available but we never heard anything afterwards.

Didn't know that. I truly believe that Evan Chandler is mentally unstable. I heard that he got some disease or is sick and immobile, like he moves in a wheelchair. Also heard that he lives with Jordan (supposedly) because he can't take care of himself.

Elusive, thank you for posting that motion from the 2005 trial. That's what I was trying to reference in one of my posts but didn't have all the details off the top of my head.

[TheLastTear]

Thank you for explaining elusive moonwalker :)

[Callaendia]

good god i remember being 8 or 9 years old when michael made that statement on tv with the red shirt and i remember crying saying "this is not true" "leave him alone"

the same here... I remember seeing it on tv and not believing in any of it. I was about 9-10 y/o. And I rememeber my parents being unintentionally cruel telling me he might have done it and all the BLA BLABLA stuff :no:

[Lol007]

In 2006, Evan was accused by Jordan of attempting to kill him. Apparently, Evan tried to kill Jordan because he wanted complete access to "some money". I've already read the court document. It was signed in 2006, in New Jersey. If you don't mind killing your son for money...why wouldn't you accuse a rich celebrity of a heinous crime? Read the evidence: Michael was totally innocent.

[PrincessMichaela]

the gq articles is not completely accurate. you can hear the taped phone calls on you tube.

Yeah, it's a good start, but you're right, there are a few inaccuracies. For one, Jordan was never given the Sodium Amytal.... Evan offered up that story as it would preclude Jordan from testifying. (Had he been given it they wouldn't have wanted him for the 2005 trial either.)

[Callaendia]

He never really appeared much in public, so after the allegations it didn't change. I just remember the Neverland speech, and the NAACP awards.

I live in Europe, so I don't know how it was in the US. I think people here didn't really believe the allegations at first.

The settlement was misunderstood (we didn't have the internet back then, so the mainstream media were VERY powerful, it was more difficult to find information at that time).

As I said, the settlement was what changed the opinion back then : people didn't understand why he would pay if he was innocent. Especially if you don't understand the legal system and procedures in the US.

And the media at the time didn't really explain it either.
The same for me. I live in Europe and was too young at the time to be able to really understand what was going on. Without Internet that was impossible. I remember everyone saying he was accused, but nothing more. No information about circumstances or American law. Nothing at all. So people were trying to understand the situation and obviously were comming up with many wrong conclusions... :nono: I guess this lack of information was one of the worse things that could ever happen. The "story" has never had an ending or clearing up back then so started to live it's own life :(


he wanted to go to trial... otherwise he would have paid off evan chandler from the very beginning and no one would have heard about it.

but i think the issue was that .... there would have been two trials. a civil and the trial by the state.

the civil was suppose to precede the the criminal trial which could have been bad as whatever was said /testified in that case could have been used in the criminal trial.

to go ahead with civil first and then criminal meant that the prosecution would have had an unfair advantage it seems is part of the reason why the case was settled.

i hope that made sense.

also.... mike didn't settle the lawsuit the insurance company did.

just a mess!
and this is one of those very important information I wouldn't know... Thank you so much for sharing! I would never expect this worked that way. Thank you one more time!!
:ok:


yes it's sad to read isn't it? I think everyone should read those articles to see what MJ went through

this is not about the case itself but it's a picture taken during one of his concerts when the allegations broke out, and here he's looking at the crowd and he's crying...I saw it a year ago and it stuck in my mind
http://i36.tinypic.com/2j18prc.jpg
it's so heartbreaking... :cry:


the gq articles is not completely accurate. you can hear the taped phone calls on you tube.
can you link, please? :give_heart:

[elusive moonwalker]

Thank you for explaining elusive moonwalker :)



welcome. knowledge is power when it comes to stuff like this.

[dancemasterman]

Yeah, it's a good start, but you're right, there are a few inaccuracies. For one, Jordan was never given the Sodium Amytal.... Evan offered up that story as it would preclude Jordan from testifying. (Had he been given it they wouldn't have wanted him for the 2005 trial either.)

the part where it says they got chandler on tape admitting Mj never did anything wrong isn't true either. the tape recording basically goes something like "I'm furious, he'll be destroyed, he wont sell another record, I'll get everything I want"

[dancemasterman]

as for the settlement I wish people from both sides of the argument would be more honest.

Michael settled it at the advice of his lawyers. He signed it. He paid the settlement. Michael even said in the bashir interview "I just said make it go away. I don't want a long drawn out thing. Just make it go away." It wasn't decided by the insurance company.

MIchael did not pay money to stay out of prison. He settled a civil lawsuit, which has no bearing on any criminal charges. It's up to the prosecutor to press the charge and to call to the witness stand whoever he chooses. The settlment had no effect on that. The prosecutor chose not to go forward. The settlement had nothing to do with that.

[dancemasterman]

The same for me. I live in Europe and was too young at the time to be able to really understand what was going on. Without Internet that was impossible. I remember everyone saying he was accused, but nothing more. No information about circumstances or American law. Nothing at all. So people were trying to understand the situation and obviously were comming up with many wrong conclusions... :nono: I guess this lack of information was one of the worse things that could ever happen. The "story" has never had an ending or clearing up back then so started to live it's own life :(


and this is one of those very important information I wouldn't know... Thank you so much for sharing! I would never expect this worked that way. Thank you one more time!!
:ok:


it's so heartbreaking... :cry:


can you link, please? :give_heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnubxWTWf_4

[elusive moonwalker]

s for the settlement I wish people from both sides of the argument would be more honest.

Michael settled it at the advice of his lawyers. He signed it. He paid the settlement. Michael even said in the bashir interview "I just said make it go away. I don't want a long drawn out thing. Just make it go away." It wasn't decided by the insurance company.


court documents say otherwise.


http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?...ost&id=3874 (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3874)
This motion filed by T-Mez during the trial last year should clear that info:

Hightlights: Memo in Support of Objection to Subpoena for Settlement Documents
The following are excerpts from the court document:

Pg3 The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jackson's insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel.

It is general practice for an insurer to be entitled to control settlement negotiations and the insured is precluded from any interference.

…Under the majority of contracts for liability insurance, the absolute control of the defense of the matter is turned over to the insurance company and the insured is excluded from any interference in any negotiation for settlement or other legal proceedings (emphasis added).

…An insurance carrier has the right to settle claims covered by insurance when it decides settlement is expedient and the insured may not interfere with nor prevent such settlements.

Pg2 Because insurance companies were the source of the settlement amounts, and the insurance companies make the payments based on their contractual rights to settle the proceeding without Mr. Jackson's permission, the settlement does not constitute an admission and cannot be used to create such an impermissible inference to the jury.

Pg3 The speculative suggestion that Mr. Jackson somehow made an admission when an insurance company required a settlement, and in fact paid for the settlement, creates an impermissible inference to the jury that would deprive Mr. Jackson of due process of law.

Pg 4 It is unfair for an insurance company's settlement to be now held against Mr. Jackson or for the Settlement Agreement to be admitted as evidence of Mr. Jackson's prior conduct or guilt. Mr. Jackson could not control nor interfere with his insurance carrier's demand to settle the dispute.

Pg9-10 Permitting evidence of settlement agreements or amounts would be speculative because there is no evidence Michael Jackson made the settlement. Settlements in civil suits many times are dictated by insurance companies who settle claims regardless of an individual's wishes.

Although Jordan Chandler was interviewed "thereafter" by detectives seeking evidence to offer in a child molestation prosecution of Michael Jackson, "no criminal charges were filed as a result of that interview."

This interview took place prior to the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Stogner v California, 539 U.S. 607, 613 (2003), holding California's retroactive extension of the statute of limitations to be unconstitutional.

In other words, Jordan Chandler's statements were not sufficient even at that earlier time, to support child molestation charges against Michael Jackson, and to now permit the suggestion of a settlement agreement for some improper act is not only irrelevant, but also a speculative violation of the statute of limitations

After this motion, the judge ruled that the prosecution were not allowed to allude to or include any information or suggested allegation that MJ paid the Chandlers because he didn't the insurance paid over MJ's and his lawyers objections...

Another thing to note... when Evan was filing suit he included "negligence course of distress" knowing full well the insurance would pay for that which would pave way for the Chandlers to avoid the criminal trial. MJ and his team were pushing for the criminal trial, they filed a motion to stop the civil trial, put in on hold to wait for the criminal trial but they were denied that chance.....

[elusive moonwalker]

the part where it says they got chandler on tape admitting Mj never did anything wrong isn't true either. the tape recording basically goes something like "I'm furious, he'll be destroyed, he wont sell another record, I'll get everything I want"

true but the impression from those tapes is not of a man who son is being abused its of a man who is blackmailing someone. when he talks about everything set in place and he just has to make a phonecall.(not exactwords) when talking about rothman

[Yazman]

Yeah, it's a good start, but you're right, there are a few inaccuracies. For one, Jordan was never given the Sodium Amytal.... Evan offered up that story as it would preclude Jordan from testifying. (Had he been given it they wouldn't have wanted him for the 2005 trial either.)

Wait what? So you're saying Jordan never actually was under the influence of sodium amytal? If thats not true then how do you explain his memories? Just lies (possible I guess with his dad beating him constantly)

[elusive moonwalker]

i think hughes talked about jordan not being given the drug. it was basically a cover to get jordan out of testiying.if u are given that drug your evidence basically isnt credible.also does the drug enduced memories fade after time? becasue hes told many ppl (his college friends) that mj did nothing.wouldntbe able to do that if u were still under the power of the drug

[Adore]

It wasn't decided by the insurance company.

well that's bs because the settlement document proves that it was infact Michael's insurance company who settled the civil case.

[2600becs]

oh my god. i have never seen that picture of michael crying before. i am scarred for life. :( oh michael......... please come back.

[Julia]

yes it's sad to read isn't it? I think everyone should read those articles to see what MJ went through

this is not about the case itself but it's a picture taken during one of his concerts when the allegations broke out, and here he's looking at the crowd and he's crying...I saw it a year ago and it stuck in my mind
http://i36.tinypic.com/2j18prc.jpg

God this picture is so heartbreaking I had no seen it before. My heart hurts over all this deception and lies toward Michael it is so unfair. His heart must have been broken honestly I cry everytime I read about this.

Julia

[Yazman]

Oh my god that picture really is heartbreaking, I've never seen it before and I just cried after I clicked the link and saw it :(

Thats so horrible.. I hate what these people did to Michael :(

[RedLightParis]

I was there and had a terrible experience.
Heres what I know, my experience.
I had some newspaper articles from that year too, by the way::



YES HE CANCELLED, he cancelled Dangerous tour. I had my tickets to watch MJ live, but due to the accusations THAT YEAR, and all the legal issues Michael Jackson got very sick and cancelled the tour.

I had for sure too the first news said it was an extortion case.

So, that first accusation means to me a lot , I missed my only chance ot see MJ live on his super awesome Dangerous tour...

shitt wow i really feel for u....that sucks..I was going to see him for the first time last summer;(:(

[Callaendia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnubxWTWf_4
thank you :hi:


true but the impression from those tapes is not of a man who son is being abused its of a man who is blackmailing someone. when he talks about everything set in place and he just has to make a phonecall.(not exactwords) when talking about rothman
this guy sounds as hate was all he was about. hate hate hate :unsure: what a contradiction comparing to MJ's standards :unsure:

[marialovesmjj]

Okay, I have a question. I've heard that if Jordan comes forward it could backfire and cost royalties that would go to Michael's children.

This makes no sense to me, I've got my info on the 1993 case but I'm a bit rusty on it.

Could someone explain if that statement makes sense or not?

[Nivea]

Okay, I have a question. I've heard that if Jordan comes forward it could backfire and cost royalties that would go to Michael's children.

This makes no sense to me, I've got my info on the 1993 case but I'm a bit rusty on it.

Could someone explain if that statement makes sense or not?

hmm.. well I think there was a contract signed which stated neither the family nor mj were to speak of the case publicly.
If he were to come forward, I can imagine he would have to pay back the money he got.

In any case, admitting you lied and are directly responsible for the ridicule mj has gone through these past few years will not only backfire financially, it will also give fans a reason to come after you.

[marialovesmjj]

I thought he spent the nmoney long ago and wouldn't have to pay it back because Michael passed?

Hmm...

[PrincessMichaela]

I think lawsuits (and his father, who nearly tried to kill him in 2005...) are the main concern. I think he could be sued for breach of contract or something? Not quite sure.

[Nivea]

I think lawsuits (and his father, who nearly tried to kill him in 2005...) are the main concern. I think he could be sued for breach of contract or something? Not quite sure.

his father nearly killed him!? :bugeyed :omg: For real? Why?

[elusive moonwalker]

theres info in the thread about it. jordan filed a restraining order on evan around 05.

[Nivea]

Thank you! :) I'ma look for it now.

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

The sad thing is, all these stupid idiots who keep talking shit about Michael have never ever read about this. The media just never tells it like it is, if for a change they'd finally show this on tv, all the little details that count for SO MUCH, people in general would probably start to think more clearly and normal about MJ.

Because it's always the same damn tiring things these people say... 'Oh but he paid off the family, why do that if you are innocent?' no idiot, it's not like that at all. Most of the time these people dont know anything else to back up their claims..that's the funny and pathetic thing about it, really.

Or recently when the losers at TMZ claimed that Jordan DID make a accurate description, when in truth...the description wasn't accurate by any means. Yet these people fall for it and believe it..
but then again, some people are just hopeless.

[Bo G]

If moderators agree, I thought it might be useful to have a place to post and discuss how the 1993 allegation against MJ is being reported by the media, now that it's in the news again. The focus would not be on our personal feelings about Evan Chandler's death, which we've sufficient vented in another thread, but on how the media are covering the 1993 episode itself. This would be for mainstream news coverage, not tabloids.

I think it's promising that nearly every report mentions Evan's attempted murder of Jordan, which must surely be shifting the public opinion to skepticism about the allegation.

In the last hour, MTV has posted a story including further information showing how Chandler has been discredited. Hopefully this will be a trend and we'll see more of this.

Unfortunately, MTV uses Halperin as their source for the anti-Chandler information. Surely they realize Halperin is a pulp writer who has been dead wrong on too many MJ "facts." Why not Aphrodite Jones, who has an excellent reputation for accurate court and crime journalism? Just because her book was not published by a major publisher, presumably. Thus the media echo chamber perpetuates itself... sigh.

It's also a bit of a surprise how long it took the media to take note of this, as Chandler's suicide was discovered on Nov. 5.

Also, most stories still say "Jackson settled with the accuser" instead of "Jackson's insurance company..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that completely inaccurate? I'm hoping if/when the larger outlets report on this, they'll get it right (but not betting on it...)



MTV
Nov 18 2009 9:06 AM EST
Michael Jackson Molestation Accuser's Father Dead Of Apparent Suicide (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626509/20091118/jackson_michael.jhtml)
Dentist Evan Chandler was found dead in New Jersey earlier this month.

By Gil Kaufman

...In the recent book "Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson," celebrity journalist Ian Halperin wrote about an alleged conversation between Evan Chandler and his ex-wife's second husband, in which Chandler, upset that Jackson had cut ties to the Chandlers, threatened that he was going to go after the singer for money. "And if I go through with this, I win big time," Chandler allegedly said. "There's no way I lose. ... I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody] and Michael's career will be over."

Halperin also claims in the book that Chandler, a wannabe screenwriter, went to police with the allegations after extracting a tooth from Jordan, whom he'd put under with the controversial sedative sodium amytal, a drug that experts have claimed makes patients very susceptible to suggestions.

(The New York Post is a classic tabloid, in case anyone is wondering, so we can safely ignore it. The Times, once a respected UK newspaper, has descended into sensational, poor journalism since its purchase by Rupert Murdoch, so it's borderline, IMO.)

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

instead of halperin they could, or more SHOULD AND WILL HAVE TO use the Was Michael Jackson Framed article which was exceptional, Mary Fischer did a great profesional journalism work, the credits NEED to go to her, not crazy Halperin, he just copied that part from her...



WAS MICHAEL JACKSON FRAMED, by Mary Fischer, that is where the tapes of Evan Chandler were first published...

[Bo G]

New York Daily News, which though published in tabloid form has some respectability in some areas and has won Pulitzers, is brief but fair, I'd say. It goes slightly beyond the standard wire story we're seeing.


New York Daily News

Evan Chandler, dad of boy who accused Michael Jackson of molestation, commits suicide in New Jersey [apparently they won't let you link directly to the story, but if you copy and paste this URL into a new window of your browser, it should work... http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/11/18/2009-11-18_dad_of_*****_molest_accuser_kills_self_in_swank y_jersey_pad.html ]

BY Bill Hutchinson
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Wednesday, November 18th 2009, 4:00 AM

Evan Chandler, dad of boy who accused Michael Jackson of molestation, commits suicide in New Jersey

BY Bill Hutchinson
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Wednesday, November 18th 2009, 10:19 AM

The father of a boy who accused Michael Jackson of molestation in 1993 blew out his brains in his luxury New Jersey apartment, cops said Tuesday.

Evan Chandler, 65, whose son received a multimillion-dollar settlement from the King of Pop, was discovered in his 16th- floor waterfront pad in Jersey City with his gun still in his hand.

Chandler took his own life Nov. 5, Jersey City police spokesman Stan Eason said. The concierge of Chandler's building found the body.

"He [Chandler] was on his bed still holding the weapon with a single gunshot wound to the head," Eason said. "It's straightforward. Case closed. It's suicide."

Chandler had been extremely ill and was scheduled to see a hematologist on the day he committed suicide, Eason said.

When Chandler didn't show up for the medical appointment, his doctor called the concierge to go check on him, Eason said.

"There was medication found in [Chandler's apartment] consistent with a serious illness," Eason said.

He said Chandler did not leave a suicide note.

In 1993, Chandler's son, who was then 13, accused Jackson of molesting him at the pop icon's Neverland Ranch in California.

The allegations first surfaced after Evan Chandler, a former Beverly Hills dentist, administered Amytal sodium, known as truth serum, to his son.

The case never went to trial, and a civil suit filed by Evan Chandler and his son was withdrawn after Jackson paid the family $20 million.

Jackson, who died in June from a prescription drug overdose, later said he settled to avoid the circus of a trial. He was acquitted of molesting a different boy in 2005.

In 2006, Chandler's son accused his father of attacking him with a barbell, choking him and spraying his face with Mace. The charges were later dropped.

[Vici]

i dont like the´way articles wrote about this yesterday.. they basically wrote that the settlement led to no charges were brought against MJ. but what can u expect from them?

[ginvid]

"Also, most stories still say "Jackson settled with the accuser" instead of "Jackson's insurance company..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that completely inaccurate? I'm hoping if/when the larger outlets report on this, they'll get it right (but not betting on it...)"


I believe that the insurance company settled with the accuser, but then later went after MJ to have them pay him back. I can't remember where I read this, but that was my understanding. I may be corrected as well,

[ginvid]

New York Daily News, which though published in tabloid form has some respectability in some areas and has won Pulitzers, is brief but fair, I'd say. It goes slightly beyond the standard wire story we're seeing.

This article is no longer there. Hmm, I did a search for it, but to no avail. What did they say in the article (if you remember)?

Thanks

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

the truth is that people even "journalists" dont know that the settlement was made almost againt Michael's will, Lisa Marie and Elizabeth Taylor nd his lawyers at that time convinced him to not do a trial, and the settlement in no part says that Michael did anything sexual and that the boy could just whenever he wanted, was free to accuse him whenenever he wanted, all these was made to ensure the thruth which was that Michael was innocent! and the settlement was made only to end the whole thing but NEVER TO SHUT UP ANYONE! to say that is to LIE!, the boy could have testified if he wanted at that time, and he could have testified in the trial of 2005 or whenever he wanted, remember in 2005 he flew out of USA cause he didnt wanted to testified, cause he knows is a lie. And he was not as bad as his father, i think(i want to think)

[elusive moonwalker]

I believe that the insurance company settled with the accuser, but then later went after MJ to have them pay him back. I can't remember where I read this, but that was my understanding. I may be corrected as well
thats what premiums are for. mj paid them and the insurance company paid out.they never went after mj tmk.its makes no sense

[ensleyave]

I'm still praying that someone will have a shred of integraty and report the facts. I do believe the truth will come out. There will still be some who want believe, but at least the facts will be documented by mainstream media.

[elusive moonwalker]

this story is front page on one the main mj hater news papers in the uk today. no idea what the articles like. have no intrest in seeing it.as i can guess what it will be like. some media outles will report on the info for the sole purpose of talking about the allegations again and the lurid details in order to remind ppl

[ensleyave]

the truth is that people even "journalists" dont know that the settlement was made almost againt Michael's will, Lisa Marie and Elizabeth Taylor nd his lawyers at that time convinced him to not do a trial, and the settlement in no part says that Michael did anything sexual and that the boy could just whenever he wanted, was free to accuse him whenenever he wanted, all these was made to ensure the thruth which was that Michael was innocent! and the settlement was made only to end the whole thing but NEVER TO SHUT UP ANYONE! to say that is to LIE!, the boy could have testified if he wanted at that time, and he could have testified in the trial of 2005 or whenever he wanted, remember in 2005 he flew out of USA cause he didnt wanted to testified, cause he knows is a lie. And he was not as bad as his father, i think(i want to think)

That's because some of them are lazy as hell and the others make money on how bad and sensational you make it. MOney is the root of all evil.

[elusive moonwalker]

I'm still praying that someone will have a shred of integraty and report the facts. I do believe the truth will come out. There will still be some who want believe, but at least the facts will be documented by mainstream media.

the only time the facts will get reported on is if chandle comes forward and then it will be be he either got paid by the estate or he feels guilty for mj even though mj did it.

certain media outlets have openly admitted their agenda against mj reagardless of the facts. they will never report the truth cause they hate mj to much and some are just clueless of the facts. i was shocked at the ignoracne of one tabloid reported who had email convos with a fan on here over 93. totally clueless with numerous facts wrong and based mj being a pedo because of chandlers statement.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

I'm still praying that someone will have a shred of integraty and report the facts. I do believe the truth will come out. There will still be some who want believe, but at least the facts will be documented by mainstream media.
They will have to, and the truth about these false allegations will come out sooner or later, it will

[ginvid]

thats what premiums are for. mj paid them and the insurance company paid out.they never went after mj tmk.its makes no sense

No, I read the insurance company wanted to renege on their agreement and instead wanted MJ to pay for it personally. But hey, I am just speaking from an imperfect memory. I concede to others on this point.:D

[ensleyave]

The truth always win out in the end. Things could be changing for MJ. I wish he could be here to see it. We will be your foot soldiers MJ.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

That's because some of them are lazy as hell and the others make money on how bad and sensational you make it. MOney is the root of all evil.
Exactly, they just talk and write and they no NOTHING, they dont know a thing...is a shame, but they will have to really work this time, they will have to, sorry for them cause they are so lazy...instead of working they just copy one another...sad, but i know some will do it RIGHT THIS TIME, yes i know.. its sad, Michael had to die first.

[elusive moonwalker]

No, I read the insurance company wanted to renege on their agreement and instead wanted MJ to pay for it personally. But hey, I am just speaking from an imperfect memory. I concede to others on this point.:D

ok. personally ive never heard about that.not sure how that would legally stand.doesnt really matter one way or the other now

[elusive moonwalker]

They will have to,
no they wont. theres no eutopia in this society when it comes to mj

[Bo G]

This article is no longer there. Hmm, I did a search for it, but to no avail. What did they say in the article (if you remember)?

Thanks

Thanks for alerting me. I updated the NY Daily News post with the story text. The URL actually is a good one -- I've never seen this before, but it won't let you LINK to the URL from another site, but if you copy and paste the URL in a new browser window, the URL works. Strange. I guess it's to force people to link to their home page, so they read more stories and see their ads.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

no they wont. theres no eutopia in this society when it comes to mj
I know what you mean, but believe me, they will do it this time, idn the tabloids (they are soooo low, i have no faith in them), but more serious places WILL do it

[ensleyave]

no they wont. theres no eutopia in this society when it comes to mj

Keep your head up Elusive it will happen. Don't know when but it will. Keep the faith.

[D.Electric]

this story is front page on one the main mj hater news papers in the uk today. no idea what the articles like. have no intrest in seeing it.as i can guess what it will be like. some media outles will report on the info for the sole purpose of talking about the allegations again and the lurid details in order to remind ppl

what is the newspaper?

I have ALOT to say on this subject, but unfortunatly I am at work and will not have access to a computer tonight... I will however post my theories and observations tomorrow. the whole subject has me insensed.

[ginvid]

Thanks for alerting me. I updated the NY Daily News post with the story text. The URL actually is a good one -- I've never seen this before, but it won't let you LINK to the URL from another site, but if you copy and paste the URL in a new browser window, the URL works. Strange. I guess it's to force people to link to their home page, so they read more stories and see their ads.

Oh, thank you very much.:D

[ginvid]

I have ALOT to say on this subject, but unfortunatly I am at work and will not have access to a computer tonight... I will however post my theories and observations tomorrow. the whole subject has me insensed.

Do you think his death sounds suspicious? I am not really one for conspiracy theories, but what can I say? I am interested in hearing what you think. It's like they are using this to turn the public against MJ again by emphasizing, "But look he is a *********", or something like this. But I don't know, I am just talking while I am also at work. I have to go now.

[Bo G]

instead of halperin they could, or more SHOULD AND WILL HAVE TO use the Was Michael Jackson Framed article which was exceptional, Mary Fisher did a great profesional journalism work, the credits NEED to go to her, not crazy Halperin, he just copied that part from her...



WAS MICHAEL JACKSON FRAMED, by Mary Fisher, that is where the tapes of Evan Chandler were first published...

Can we get a link for this? Thanks.

[ginvid]

Can we get a link for this? Thanks.

I think this is a link to it.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread477059/pg1

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

Can we get a link for this? Thanks.

part 1 http://site2.mjeol.com/was-michael-jackson-framed/was-mj-framed-part-1.html

part 2 http://site2.mjeol.com/was-michael-jackson-framed/was-mj-framed-part-2.html

part 3 http://site2.mjeol.com/was-michael-jackson-framed/was-mj-framed-part-3.html

[elusive moonwalker]

geraldine hughes was a source for alot of the fischer article although she doesnt agree with the info about sodium amythal (sp)

[elusive moonwalker]

I know what you mean, but believe me, they will do it this time, idn the tabloids (they are soooo low, i have no faith in them), but more serious places WILL do it

unfortunatly theres no difference between the mainstream papers and the tabloids in the uk interms of how they treat mj. infact some of the most horrendous stuff has come from supposedly respected broadsheet papers.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

I just realized that i wrote repeated times Mary Fisher, but is FISCHER with a c, sorry

[babykinsilk05]

you know, if we don't like the way the media is reporting this story we should bombard them with the facts of the case, including the taped conversation of evan bassically admiting his extortion plan. The audio is on youtube.

[earthlyme]

So Chandler had a blood problem/disease...

interesting...

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

So Chandler had a blood problem/disease...

interesting...

Well you know, he got what he deserved...

[Bo G]

Thanks, Draliongirl and Ginvid, for the links. I look forward to checking them out.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

you know, if we don't like the way the media is reporting this story we should bombard them with the facts of the case, including the taped conversation of evan bassically admiting his extortion plan. The audio is on youtube.
but that is THEIR JOB, they are the ones who should do it...

[Bo G]

you know, if we don't like the way the media is reporting this story we should bombard them with the facts of the case, including the taped conversation of evan bassically admiting his extortion plan. The audio is on youtube.I think this is a great idea. I've had some luck actually get stories corrected by being very calm, unemotional, clearly specifying what precisely is incorrect in the story, giving the exact and credible source for the correct information. No personal attacks, no broad complaints, no "fanspeak." We could really make a difference on this.

[Bo G]

but that is THEIR JOB, they are the ones who should do it...

Yep. But they're not. It's the reality we're given.

[terrell]

That's because some of them are lazy as hell and the others make money on how bad and sensational you make it. MOney is the root of all evil.
No, it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil. I can careless about this man. I am now HOlding JORDAN CHANDLER to do the right now. Jordan holds most of this mess in his hands. If he can tell friends that he was not abuse regardless to the agreement, Jordan can tell the world that his father put him up to do this. To the public at large, Jordan and Michael will look like the victims to this idoit in what he told his son to do to Michael.

[elusive moonwalker]

o Chandler had a blood problem/disease...

interesting...
the clinic he went to specialised in cancer treatment i think some who googled it said.there had been talks for years he had this


think this is a great idea. I've had some luck actually get stories corrected by being very calm, unemotional, clearly specifying what precisely is incorrect in the story, giving the exact and credible source for the correct information. No personal attacks, no broad complaints, no "fanspeak." We could really make a difference on this.
yeah if u gonna do it do it like the above theres nothing worse than ranting fans to ruin credibility.but from past experience it very rarely works, the journos know the facts for the most part and even if they dont their editors have their agendas when it comes to mj. uk daily mail has openly admitted these .and alot of the outets like to knowthey are annoying mj fans so replying to their bait doesnt help

[terrell]

Jordan better remember that GOd is looking down on him. Jordan has to stand before God with this as well. He is an adult and know what he did was wrong.

[BillieJean84]

Too bad MJ is not alive to enjoy this as much as we. Although l highly doubt that MJ would feel happy for some reason as the forgiving man he was...I could be wrong.

[elusive moonwalker]

if ppl cared about that they wouldnt do such things in the first place .

[Bo G]

Do you think his death sounds suspicious? I am not really one for conspiracy theories, but what can I say? I am interested in hearing what you think. It's like they are using this to turn the public against MJ again by emphasizing, "But look he is a *********", or something like this. But I don't know, I am just talking while I am also at work. I have to go now.

I really don't. Everything pretty clearly points to a man cut off from his family, dying of what I suspect we'll learn was cancer, and in great physical pain. There's a guiding principle in science, which can also be helpful here, that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. It really works most of the time. Conspiracy theories are really riveting, and are very emotionally rewarding... but usually wrong... So until something new comes to light, it doesn't seem a worthwhile path to go down.

Now Aphrodite Jones says she uses "conspiracy" to mean only the media's "conspiracy" to report in a way to drive up ratings. They have a strong bias toward reporting in whatever way will get them more viewers or readers. She believes that shaped the investigation and the allegation, so blames the media greatly for the whole mess. And I believe she's dead on. I wouldn't want to lose focus from that too much, because it's SUCH an important issue.

There's definitely a kind of lock-in that occurs, that produces a "Prevailing Media Narrative." Media then fit their reporting to the narrative. Media critics are railing against this all the time. No one outlet likes to go against that, once it sets in, for fear of alienating viewers/readers. We can hope, hope, hope that the prevailing media narrative has shifted, and that media might feel brave enough now to venture out with independent opinions.

I don't think most of the media "have it in for MJ." I think they're all cautiously sticking their moistened fingers up into the wind to see which way it's blowing.

Now this I think may have contributed to their being dragged into reporting this two weeks late by a friggin' gossip site (RadarOnline), which is irresponsible journalism.

[earthlyme]

Well you know, he got what he deserved...


I guess so, but I think he got the easy way out...Its sad when when anyone dies...I at least feel something for them, but yesterday when I heard the news, I felt a little pang of sadness but it went away in seconds...I just couldn't bring my self to be sad. I hope I'm not coming off as heart less but that's what I really felt.

God will judge him now...he's off our hands...


L.O.V.E.
Romi

[Bo G]

Well you know, he got what he deserved...


I guess so, but I think he got the easy way out...Its sad when when anyone dies...I at least feel something for them, but yesterday when I heard the news, I felt a little pang of sadness but it went away in seconds...I just couldn't bring my self to be sad. I hope I'm not coming off as heart less but that's what I really felt.

God will judge him now...he's off our hands...


L.O.V.E.

Our emotions and religious opinions about his death are off-topic for this thread, OK? That was another thread that has been closed after everyone got a chance to say these things. This thread is to discuss media coverage.

I don't know if we have a mod yet watching this, and I'm going to be in and out today, so I'd like to ask for everyone's help keeping this thread on topic, and nudging one other nicely when needed. Thanks!

[ginvid]

Look at me at work trying to get fired. With that being said, I DO think that it is MOST times the simplest way of explaining things that turns out to be the most credible, as you said; but, drawing from your comment, conspiracy theories are intriguing if nothing more and I find it very interesting hearing what people have to say about it.

As regards the media, I completely agree with this. When the accusations surfaced they invested a lot of time and money in trying to portry MJ as guilty. And I think many in the public were swayed by this and are still interested in the allegations and believe him to be guilty. I am just saying that some media outlets are using this opportunity to take another jab and try to reinfornce their opinions on the matter. Which is unfortunate.

[Bo G]

I am just saying that some media outlets are using this opportunity to take another jab and try to reinfornce their opinions on the matter. Which is unfortunate.

What I'm not sure of is whether, for most journalists, there's a genuine "opinion." I'm not sure most really give a damn one way or another. (Some obvious exceptions to this, like Dimond, of course). BUT, that said, those who staked their credibility before on his guilt are going to be reluctant to reverse.

We have to hope for a new generation of journalists who aren't invested in this yet. And for some to have Aphrodite Jones' courage. You know she was one of the bad ones during the trial, and changed her mind afterward. Tom Mesereau on their YouTube video together talks about how he disliked her, but now supports her wholly. She is apologetic. Maybe her example will encourage some others...

[Bo G]

E! Online. Not good. Bad errors, serious omissions. Anyone want to take a go at them? I don't have time -- like Ginvid, MUST get some work done today!
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html

The Rupert Murdoch papers (NEWS.com.au, the Times, others?) are sharing the nearly identical story, one that is greatly sympathetic to Chandler. Murdoch and his cronies are taking a true advocacy position which is irresponsible and unethical journalism at its worst. Motive? Whatever sells. He's despised for a reason. I don't think I'll link to them -- I consider Murdoch beyond salvation. Others of you may disagree and want to post them, which is fine.

[elusive moonwalker]

NEWS.com.au, the Times, others?
ny post is owed by him along with the sun in the uk

[Bo G]

ny post is owed by him along with the sun in the uk

Thanks, I checked and that's correct -- I was actually looking for a list when you posted, but haven't found it yet. The list would be too long, probably! You all can see just how big and influential the Murdoch media conglomerate is in driving public opinion.

[terrell]

E! Online. Not good. Bad errors, serious omissions. Anyone want to take a go at them? I don't have time -- like Ginvid, MUST get some work done today!
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html

The Rupert Murdoch papers (NEWS.com.au, the Times, others?) are sharing the nearly identical story, one that is greatly sympathetic to Chandler. Murdoch and his cronies are taking a true advocacy position which is irresponsible and unethical journalism at its worst. Motive? Whatever sells. He's despised for a reason. I don't think I'll link to them -- I consider Murdoch beyond salvation. Others of you may disagree and want to post them, which is fine.
In eyes of many people, his death is viewed as GUILT as it was said on Doug banks yesterday. SO they can write what they want. I think overall, it is working out for the best for MJ.

[terrell]

Foxnews has it good. Just moring they reported on it and the two other host did not comment on it. The lady reporting it just look shocked.

[Bo G]

In eyes of many people, his death is viewed as GUILT as it was said on Doug banks yesterday. SO they can write what they want. I think overall, it is working out for the best for MJ.

What's Doug Banks? Got a link?

[terrell]

What's Doug Banks? Got a link?
www.douganddede.com (http://www.douganddede.com) They talked about it yesterday. It was real good.

[Sophielo]

Incorrect news reporting from the tabs still around I see! First of all the insurance company settled, not MJ. MJ wanted to take it to court, hiring Johnny Cochrane but even he said he couldn't guarantee victory due to OJ and the riots leaving race relations very raw. Secondly MJ did not settle to avoid it going to court, that's completely inaccurate. That was the civil case, the state could still take it to trial in a criminal case but shock horror the Chandlers didn't want it going to court after they got their millions and the case couldn't proceed due to lack of evidence, leaving us with a very pissy Tom Sneddon.

[williamorange1]

jordan became friendly with his mother june after Evan attacked him in 2005, that's just for those who believe he may come forward now and tell the truth .

you would think after his mother took the stand against mj he would hate her even more, but it was the opposite .
as for jonny cochran , blame no one but that man for the settlement . no one was even thinking of settlement before that EVIL man became mj's attorney , he was the one who convinced mj to settle. he got millions because 'he saved mj', his buddy Feldman got 5 millions , and Evan got millions , the only one who lost was MJ .

Feldman was cochran's attorney during a divorce battle , he only came into mj's life to help Feldman .

[elusive moonwalker]

Thanks, I checked and that's correct -- I was actually looking for a list when you posted, but haven't found it yet. The list would be too long, probably! You all can see just how big and influential the Murdoch media conglomerate is in driving public opinion.
i think he owns the star tv network in india. but if u are just looking for the mainstream media outlets he owns then i think ppl on here would beable to pretty much name the majority of them for u


In eyes of many people, his death is viewed as GUILT as it was said on Doug banks yesterday. SO they can write what they want. I think overall, it is working out for the best for MJ.
the fact its suicide and the timing will prob make alot of the gen public go hummm. whether theres a connection is another matter, but it does look good for mj interms of how its come about

[Memefan]

Well, people here were whining yesterday about the lack of press....well, reports on this story are everywhere today. And they are far from favorable to MJ.

I don't know what people were expecting. That the press would have a change of heart? smh

Lucky for MJ's camp, that story came out while the movie is dying down. I cannot imagine the impact having this old story resurfaced could have had at the beginning of TII's run.

Most people want to forget this story...and having it resurface won't do any good. I am sure the Estate is not happy about it either.

[williamorange1]

someone who supported his son and helped bring down a possible pedo would not have committed suicide , he should have celebrated the monster's death . let the media twist it as they want, the first thing comes to mind did 'guilt' make him do that? but does 'guilt' hunt a father who believed he did the right thing ? No .

this is a prove that the mastermind behind the 1993 case was not stable mentally to say the least . the public now is aware of that .

[Bo G]

I think it would be helpful if people posted examples of language we could be using to correct the inaccuracies, with corresponding links to good sources. That would make it easier for us to comment on these stories online. Lots of folks here are a lot more knowledgeable about this than me.

Here's an excerpt of something I just wrote at Huffington Post:


I just saw this video yesterday of Tom Mesereau, MJ's attorney who defended him against Evan Chandler. He says here about Jordan Chandler, the son, what would have happened if Evan pressed for criminal charges (which he never did, rather suspiciously):

"Now, my understanding is, the prosecutors tried to get him [Jordan Chandler] to show up and he wouldn't. If he had, I had witnesses who were going to come in and say he told them it never happened, and he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8iO1wRHegY

No wonder, I think, that Evan Chandler tried to murder his son. He needed to silence him. We can only hope that Jordan now feels free to speak openly and honestly about the abuse and manipulation his father put him through.

I transcribed the video, so I know I have that part right, but my description of it could use some help. It's a little shaky because I'm unclear myself. Also, I need to know when/where this video was taken.

Here's the full citation for the Fisher article. Be sure and mention it's GQ -- that's a very widely known and respected publication.


Was Michael Jackson Framed?

The Untold Story
By Mary A. Fisher
GQ, October 1994
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/gq-article-was-michael-jackson-framed/

[ElleBella]

I really do hope that SOMEONE will finally come out to a major TV station for an interview and say it was all faked. But sadly, I don't think it will ever happen. And if it does, it would be for money.

[MarielovesMJ]

Well, people here were whining yesterday about the lack of press....well, reports on this story are everywhere today. And they are far from favorable to MJ.

I don't know what people were expecting. That the press would have a change of heart? smh

Lucky for MJ's camp, that story came out while the movie is dying down. I cannot imagine the impact having this old story resurfaced could have had at the beginning of TII's run.

Most people want to forget this story...and having it resurface won't do any good. I am sure the Estate is not happy about it either.

This is the reason why I wish that there was no attention to this because It's mostly rehashing the 1993 crap. :(

[elusive moonwalker]

Well, people here were whining yesterday about the lack of press....well, reports on this story are everywhere today. And they are far from favorable to MJ.

I don't know what people were expecting. That the press would have a change of heart? smh
exactly.

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

I don't think that Evan's death will have any bearing on what people think of Michael. People who thought that Michael was guilty to begin with are really the only ones having some crap to say about this. To me, the media has not really been in Michael's corner since 1986 and things went downhill from there regarding them. But it was all based on misconceptions about Michael and grew into the practice of people telling outright lies to get money as said misconceptions spread in the public and became popular. And the media didn't really change tack much when Michael died. Only a precious few of them deviated from the usual script after he passed away. So I'm not in the least bit surprised that there's all this bull being directed at him about Evan. None of this means anything now anyway IMO. Those who hate Michael will continue to hate him. Those who have realized what a good person he was will see through the fog of that hate. Those who love Michael will continue to love him. That's all there is to it.

[elusive moonwalker]

true. the only thing that might change alot of ppl is if JC tells the truth but even the haters will find an excuse to say hes lieing.

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I was too young at the time to know much if any info about the 1993 allegation, I didn't learn about it until 05' when the second one happened. But yesterday someone posted a youtube video, called "Money" in which there's a man speaking at the beginning of the video, sounds like a recording, and words are identical to what Bo G put in his first post, "If I go through with this, there's no way I lose". Is that Evan Chandler himself saying that? And if so, why didn't the authorities ever look into it?

[rsw22]

This is the biggest misconception

A settlement cannot stop a criminal trial. If that was the case, people accussed of criminal acts, celebrities etc, could settle so as not to go to trial.

This is what the settlement did.

The DAs of LA and SB had no case. So what did they do? Go back to 1993, they decided to go to the civil case judge and ask for all documents being used for the civil case. (Documents that Diane Dimond then began leaking from Sneddon in 2003 starting with the affidavit on CourtTV where she was working, then Bianca's affidavit, then Jordy's psychaitry report in 2004).

A civil case lets in anything and everything and they had depositioned people paid by tabloids, like Bianca.

MJ's lawyers oppossed it but the judge gave the DAs access to depositions. Feldman representing teh Chandlers wanted to deposition Latoya and other people being paid by tabloids to slander Michael.

He also wanted to deposition Michael which would compromise the defence before a criminal trial as your words can be twisted and used against you, the wasy Sneddon tried to use Bashir's slanderously edited doc in 2005 against MJ where words were taken out of context and innuendo added.

Any good criminal lawyer knows the value of the 5th amendment regardless of guilt of innocence
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury"

As one commentator said before MJ's trial, a skilled prosecutor can make an innocent man look guilty. The reason is, your words can be twisted.
That is why ultimately Mesereau decided not to let MJ testify because the prosecution were planning to keep MJ on the stand as long as they possibly could, even several days, till they tripped him up to which Larry King on one show said a judge would have to stop it at some point.

Back to 1993/94. At the same time, two grand juries were being convened, one in LA, one in SB. And LA police closed the case investigating Chandler befor ethe settlement. MJ's lawyers knew before then that police were not doing much to investigate him.

To take take the wind from the sail, MJ's lawyers knew that if they settled the civil case, the DAs could not make a case becaus etehy had none to start with.

- They had failed to find any evidence against MJ, including photos that did not match, otherwise Jordy testimony plus matching evidence of a most private nature, charges would have been filed in Decemeber 1993, no need to convene a grand jury
- They were now trying to use hearsay from civil case to present to a grand jury
- The LA DA was talking about seeking a new law to file charges without evidence which then became 288a in 1995.

Do you see a similarity with 2003. Sneddon filed charges using the new law that doesn't require evidence.
In January when the video tape countering Arvizos was discovered, he then went to a grand jury as he had no case and needed to change the story.

Once there was no civil case in 1994, there was no place for the DAs to go, no source of hearsay since there was no eveidence to support the allegations.

2 grand juries into criminal matter carried on well after the settlement, and they could not indict.

Another lie is because Jordy Chandler did not appear that is why they did not indict, but the grand juries heard from the two officers who interviewed Jordy and they recited everything he said. But no evidence to support.

So, did they want Jordy to appear to sway the grand jury emotionally because he was a child then?

The two grand juries heard everything, no case could be made.

Even Jason Bianca whom Sneddon used in 2005 could have been broughout before them as MJ hadn't settled with him then, but then Sneddon was still busy trying to get the psychiatrist to tamper with his head, which came out in 2005 when Mez asked Jason about Sneddon meeting the psychiatrist before a session with Jason of which many sessions were to follow.

But the media and DAs decided to reverse and hide under the "settlement".

If you look at the settlement and also US laws, it's unlawful to pay anyone so that they do not testify in a criminal proceeding. It's called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

The settlement clearly makes it known that the Chandlers are not prohibited from being summoned when required by law enforcement.
All it did was to stop the civil lawsuit, which MJ's lawyers had asked the Judge to delay in the first place till criminal proceedings were over and he refused despite legal precedents to do so.

But that information never suited the media and DAs disinformation of the general public.

[williamorange1]

Evan was supported by the police, by the public, by the media, he was not attacked by the media at all , he was very much protected , no way any sane person will blame mj for Evan's suicide . it is a clear sign of guilt , a man who supported his 'victim' son against a pedo would not commit suicide after the 'pedo' died .

tell anyone in the street that the father of jackson accuser commited suicide and see what their reaction will be.

[elusive moonwalker]

yes thats chandler. and the police didint look into it because u have to remember that these ppl wanted to get mj. they werent intrested in the truth. it was a witch hunt

[rsw22]

I was too young at the time to know much if any info about the 1993 allegation, I didn't learn about it until 05' when the second one happened. But yesterday someone posted a youtube video, called "Money" in which there's a man speaking at the beginning of the video, sounds like a recording, and words are identical to what Bo G put in his first post, "If I go through with this, there's no way I lose". Is that Evan Chandler himself saying that? And if so, why didn't the authorities ever look into it?

The story is long, what may help you is to read Mary Fischer's investigation

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread477059/pg1

and also this book, that is if it's still being published

http://www.amazon.com/Redemption-Michael-Jackson-Allegation-Unautographed/dp/0615306705/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258570012&sr=8-1

[williamorange1]

I don't think that Evan's death will have any bearing on what people think of Michael. People who thought that Michael was guilty to begin with are really the only ones having some crap to say about this. To me, the media has not really been in Michael's corner since 1986 and things went downhill from there regarding them. And they didn't really change tack much when Michael died. Only a precious few of them deviated from the usual script after he passed away. So I'm not in the least bit surprised that there's all this bull being directed at him about Evan. None of this means anything now anyway IMO. Those who hate Michael will continue to hate him. Those who have realized what a good person he was will see through the fog of that hate. Those who love Michael will continue to love him. That's all there is to it.

It does not support their vision of Evan , he is now officially unstable mentally , the mastermind behind the wholething in 1993 is proven to be unstable , how could that help them . again committing suicide is a clear sign of guilt . His efforts to bring jackson down were not appreciated by his own son , someone may say Evan was bad because he did not go after mj in a criminal trial and that's why Jordan was angry with him , but jordan himself had the opportunity to go after mj in 2005 and he refused .

what happened only support our own vision of what happened back then , Evan was unstable person who was supported by the media and later the brainwashed public to destroy the biggest star in the world .

Evan is the only one to blame for his death .

[MarielovesMJ]

true. the only thing that might change alot of ppl is if JC tells the truth but even the haters will find an excuse to say hes lieing.

I think that they would look for one immediately, there are some people who are hard to convince even if that happens.

[terrell]

true. the only thing that might change alot of ppl is if JC tells the truth but even the haters will find an excuse to say hes lieing.
Then they willl only make themselves look stupid. I hear people saying Michael was hated before he died, but true, Michael was loved even before he died. What it is is that the media love to talk to haters and not to people who love MIchael (that is why it was no surprise that Thriller 25 did great all over including in the United States and why he sold out 50 shows). I never believe most people thought Michael did this mess but the media will have you think otherwise and most of the time, teh people who did believe it did NOT like MJ from the start for whatever reason. Believe me, if people really thought MJ was an abuser, they would NOT be celebrating him like this I do not care how good his music.

[terrell]

Good example, go to (R) Pete King's house, that racist will not have MJ cd no where not even before the abuse claims.

[DARKLIGHTDAN]

the truth will be revealed soon... :)

[Big Apple2]

In eyes of many people, his death is viewed as GUILT as it was said on Doug banks yesterday. SO they can write what they want. I think overall, it is working out for the best for MJ.
I agree, most of the folks I have come across (fans and non-fans) have basically come to the same conclusion, i.e. GUILT.

terrell, can you possibly elaborate as to what was said on the Doug Banks program yesterday. I would love to hear what he had to say. Thank you.

[elusive moonwalker]

I think that they would look for one immediately, there are some people who are hard to convince even if that happens.
of course when u had ppl beleiving that mj was gonna send the arvizos away in a hot air ballon and was holding them hostage while they hung out with cleebs and went shopping.then u know what sort of ppl u are dealing with. but if the truth ever came out id be partying/crying to much to even care

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Why oh god why did they use Ian needs-Helperin's book for this? All of those facts about a extortion plan were already known, all on the internet on youtube and in that Mary Fisher article. But of course....since apparently Ian's book is selling well..they are using that.

[Bo G]

ian needs-helperin

:)

...

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

:)

...



Yep..he sure does, don't you think? He's a lousy miserable good for nothing punk.

As for Evan Chandler...i didn't even know about this news, but ...well...what's the bad news again? lol.

But...i do have to say i am annoyed by reports , saying that the thing in 93 never went to trial because of the settlement. Which is absolutely not true, the accusing family had all the posibilities to go further,but it was their decision to do nothing. A DAMN shame these reports never say that.

[MarielovesMJ]

Good example, go to (R) Pete King's house, that racist will not have MJ cd no where not even before the abuse claims.

I think that is possible, I believe that Pete King was mad, because he hated the fact that a powerful black man life was celebrated and just had this jealousy filled rant. (and I rarely cry racism unless I see it, but I see it here)

[earthlyme]

Our emotions and religious opinions about his death are off-topic for this thread, OK? That was another thread that has been closed after everyone got a chance to say these things. This thread is to discuss media coverage.

I don't know if we have a mod yet watching this, and I'm going to be in and out today, so I'd like to ask for everyone's help keeping this thread on topic, and nudging one other nicely when needed. Thanks!


umm...yeah...ok. I was just replying to the comment. sorry if I didnt follow the rules...Wont happen again...

Tnx!


L.O.V.E.
Romi

[terrell]

I agree, most of the folks I have come across (fans and non-fans) have basically come to the same conclusion, i.e. GUILT.

terrell, can you possibly elaborate as to what was said on the Doug Banks program yesterday. I would love to hear what he had to say. Thank you.
They were all saying oh, this sound like this man was carrying guilt in what he did to Mj. It was basicly talking about that.

[terrell]

I think that is possible, I believe that Pete King was mad, because he hated the fact that a powerful black man life was celebrated and just had this jealousy filled rant. (and I rarely cry racism unless I see it, but I see it here)
Pete was also looking for attention. I love Jesse Vantur(sp) comment on Larry King toward this idoit. Pete King got alot of flack for what he said and Bill Oreily got chewed in the tail for having him on.

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Guilt? So you think MJ's passing and all of Evan's sins has made him decide to take his own life? It could very well be.

[PrincessMichaela]

Last night I clicked on, literally, every article that showed up in Google News and left my corrections (dates, ages, settlement amount, insurance company, etc, etc, etc) in the comments. Some only gave me a little to correct, some gave me a lot. Anyway, made me feel better knowing that I at least put the truth out for anyone who wanted it. =) Looks like I'll have to make another round or two later on... :no: *sigh*

[elusive moonwalker]

personally i think it had nothing to do with mj. if it were guilt hed have done this years ago. more likely cause he was dieing from cancer.

[tragickingdom]

did anyone see this abc news article,

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/father-jackson-accuser-ended-life-pain/story?id=9118041&page=1

[Sdeidjs]

I really do hope that SOMEONE will finally come out to a major TV station for an interview and say it was all faked.
But sadly, I don't think it will ever happen. And if it does, it would be for money.

Are you really sure about that..?

As Mr.Jackson has stated many times...always "Keep The Faith"~~~

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge Is Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[tragickingdom]

to think Jordie has got rich off MJ money, and him and his dad have been fighting over it.

read that abc article linked.

[Sdeidjs]

Ladies & Gents,

Which ever way the "TRUTH" about the 1993 "FALSE" ALLEGATIONS comes out the "TRUTH" is going to be revealed to the world...

There IS PROOF of Mr.Jackson's innocence (in his own words) that NOT only has been validated but has been approved for release..!

Mr.Jackson and his will have their honor, respect, and intregrity restored and proceeds will be donated to the predetermined, preapproved selected charities..!

Therefore, Patience is a true virtue...Psalm 37


:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[Bo G]

Last night I clicked on, literally, every article that showed up in Google News and left my corrections (dates, ages, settlement amount, insurance company, etc, etc, etc) in the comments. Some only gave me a little to correct, some gave me a lot. Anyway, made me feel better knowing that I at least put the truth out for anyone who wanted it. =) Looks like I'll have to make another round or two later on... :no: *sigh*:wild::clapping:

[Bo G]

umm...yeah...ok. I was just replying to the comment. sorry if I didnt follow the rules...Wont happen again...

Tnx!


L.O.V.E.
Romi


No problem... Your penance is to find the next interesting story... :-)

[PrincessMichaela]

personally i think it had nothing to do with mj. if it were guilt hed have done this years ago. more likely cause he was dieing from cancer.

I'm not going to say "it had nothing to do with MJ", but no, I don't think it was guilt either. I think it was a whole slew of things. I'm sure 93, losing Jordan, 2005, MJ's death - they all played their part, but bottom line is that this was an emotionally sick man. Who knows what his life has been like? Clearly things were wrong before 1993 or none of this would've started. But after that - he lost absolutely everything in his life (except money...), so I just think that whether or not people think he did this because of guilt, it still gives credence to MJ not being guilty - by way of shining light onto what a sad, twisted, messed up guy this was.

Okay, sorry for being OT - Back to the news!

[Sophielo]

Here is what I just wrote on a entertainment forum, having read multiple disgusting and twisted posts about MJ:


Lets not forget about Thomas Messereau had five witnesses ready to call in case Sneddon called Chandler to testify during the 2005 trial. Guess what these witnesses were all planning to say? That Jordie kept bragging about all the money he made and that Jackson hadn't touched him. And this is directly from Thomas Messereau. You can continue to get you information about the case from esteemed publications such as The Sun, Entertainment Tonight, and that Pulitzer Prize winning tabloid journalist Diane Diamond if you so wish. I refuse to get my information from newspapers and people that have been sued for libel more times than I've had hot dinners.

[Bo G]

did anyone see this abc news article,

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/father-jackson-accuser-ended-life-pain/story?id=9118041&page=1

Wow, thanks, very interesting. Not sure what to think. This reporter is diving into the books on MJ, which are biased, and trying to pull out unbiased facts. It's an interesting attempt, but when the sources are so flawed to begin with, how do you know if ANYTHING's valid?

That was interesting about Chandler leaving his second wife and two children to go from California to NY with Jordie. Talk about "following the money"! Anyone know what age the children were at this point? Maybe they were adults, but the wording suggests not. Doesn't sound like somebody who's that into his children's welfare to me... Even if they were grown, it says he was estranged from them, his brother... it's becoming obvious this man had severe emotional problems and was not driven by love of family.

But this is significant... it's the first major network news story in the US (or anywhere?), and it's clearly trying to be balanced. Maybe it will help set the tone...

[Thetruthbetold]

a lying dog can't lie forever

[Bo G]

I'm not going to say "it had nothing to do with MJ", but no, I don't think it was guilt either. I think it was a whole slew of things. I'm sure 93, losing Jordan, 2005, MJ's death - they all played their part, but bottom line is that this was an emotionally sick man. Who knows what his life has been like? Clearly things were wrong before 1993 or none of this would've started. But after that - he lost absolutely everything in his life (except money...), so I just think that whether or not people think he did this because of guilt, it still gives credence to MJ not being guilty - by way of shining light onto what a sad, twisted, messed up guy this was.

Okay, sorry for being OT - Back to the news!

I was trying to keep it narrow so as not to spook the mods :-), but it's going really well, so I'd imagine they'd be cool with us talking about most aspects of this turn of events, as long we keep away from a rehash of "I'm so thrilled/he deserved it/my religion says this about it..." comments (correct me if I"m wrong...)

[earthlyme]

No problem... Your penance is to find the next interesting story... :-)


hmmm...yeah sure...


Originally Posted by Sdeidjs (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/member.php?u=11146)


Ladies & Gents,

Which ever way the "TRUTH" about the 1993 "FALSE" ALLEGATIONS comes out the "TRUTH" is going to be revealed to the world...

There IS PROOF of Mr.Jackson's innocence (in his own words) that NOT only has been validated but has been approved for release..!

Mr.Jackson and his will have their honor, respect, and intregrity restored and proceeds will be donated to the predetermined, preapproved selected charities..!

Therefore, Patience is a true virtue...Psalm 37Really? i'm like at the edge of my sit right now...I hope its true!!!!


L.O.V.E.
Romi

[Vici]

personally i think it had nothing to do with mj. if it were guilt hed have done this years ago. more likely cause he was dieing from cancer.


I dont. I believe it was because of guilt. Well, I dont know for facts but the way he did it and the timing? MJ left us way too soon with a broken reputation.. and maybe Evans conscious finally hit him? Did he realize what he actually did and now that MJ is gone? I dont know, I can only speculate but this is my guess.

Ive never heard anyone being sick/dying in cancer commiting suicide lonley in a house. He shot himself in the head!! Scary.
If he had overdosed on pills/medics.. then I might had believe he commited suicide because he was dying/sick. There are other ways to commit suicide if you are sick. I dont buy that he commited suicide because he was sick. I think the guilt ate him alive in the end.

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

So that's Jordie with Michael on the photo..the little shit was even wearing a typical MJ shirt. Or that last photo...of Jordan and Evan and his new wife..along with the helicopter......sickening.

[Sdeidjs]

hmmm...yeah sure...

[QUOTE]
Really? i'm like at the edge of my sit right now...I hope its true!!!!


L.O.V.E.
Romi

When WE have GOD, the TRUTH, and "ACTUAL" original documentation decades old to back it up...there IS truly NO STOPPING US..!

Psalm 37

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~

[No-Body]

[QUOTE=earthlyme;2387290]hmmm...yeah sure...



L.O.V.E.
Romi

When WE have GOD, the TRUTH, and "ACTUAL" original documentation decades old to back it up...there IS truly NO STOPPING US..!

Psalm 37

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~


AMEN Susie. You can really say that again. I am actually sorry for Evan's soul, but he alone is responsible for his acts.

I knew that one way or another, the truth would come out and it would be related to his departure from this earth, I just didn't think it would be so soon.

All we can do now is to pray and wait, JUSTICE WILL BE DONE and Michael's name will be cleared. That awful cloud had been so wrongfully attached to his integrity for far too many years. Remember folks, God is good and He is never late, whatever we may think.


It is quite ironic actually to find this news six years to the day when the second allegations hit. I remember that day like it was yesterday how I was crying my eyes out when hearing about the Neverland raid. Things are certainly coming full circle, aren't they? Sneddon and his grin at the press conference the next day, the arrest on November 20th, all the pain of the hearings and the trial, my goodness...

All of those responsible for Michael's pain REALLY need to start praying for forgiveness or else they will all end up like Evan Chandler. I wouldn't wish it on anyone though. He could be like the rich man that denied poor Lazarus food at his gate. He is trying to warn them now from the deepest pit of hell, they better listen.

Sorry if anyone is offended by the religious tone of my post, but I can't help write what I believe to be the truth.

God bless you all.

[jsimpson9]

Sorry if this has been discussed but ...

Isnt it suspicious that TMZ wasnt on this story the minute the body was found? And the comment in the Daily Mail (I DID NOT BUY IT BTW) from the police implied that they want to keep this quiet whilst they blabbed to TMZ about everything to do with MJ in June and July.

Also - in the Daily Mail the quote from the detective was awfully biased; it was something like ' the impact of the 1993 case devasted everone in different ways'..it implied that Michael was guilty and Chandler's life was ruined.

I find the whole thing bizzare! Who is paying the news to not make a big deal of this 2 weeks ago and even now? Many things dont add up about LAPD history with MJ in life and after 25.6 and I hope someone researches and trys to add all this up.

I have a very bad feeling about the whole thing.

[Bo G]

Heads up... the biggest networks are beginning to report on this. Be ready to not only comment, but email complaints to the editor. Pardon my preachiness :-), but the mantra is cool, precise... less as a fan than a neutral observer setting the record straight... give specifics they can correct and tell them how to fix it. It's much better if you can frame it not as a complaint about their bias but as if you're reporting a factual error.

They're lazy -- they're more likely to fix something if you hand it them on a silver platter, by providing the source.

I don't want to bum anyone out, but a major outlet has gotten in a yucky dig at fans. At the very end of the story, just tagged on out of the blue, it says that Chandler and his brother were concerned MJ fans might murder him. When we see this, we should firmly request it be removed from the story as baseless, casting a harmful shadow on a group that have not been mentioned by the police, and unnecessary sensationalism. The police report says suicide, period. This is irresponsible journalism.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

i just wanted to say one thing, Evan Chandler did not let any suicide note, he could have wrote down that he was killing himself cause of that illness he had, but he DINDT, now tell me why, he could have said in his last statements, a little note "Michael Jackson molested my kid, i did not lie, im killing myself cause of my illness, not cause of MJ death", but he DIDNT!, tell me why, just tell me about it... that man was ill, plus he felt guilty cause we all know Michaels problem with the prescription drugs started heavyly cause of that FALSE ACCUSATION, he died cause of this addiction, i mean how long could Evan take it, cause we all know he was bad, but i imagine Michaels dead took him as a surprise, a bad surprise...i mean if that is not a guilty feel, idn what it is, but enough, i cant take all this, is aweful( cause this is like the resurrection of that stupid woman called diane diamond, i hate all those greedy people), one day the truth will come out, end of discussion for me.

[Bo G]

Who is paying the news to not make a big deal of this 2 weeks ago and even now?

Don't we need to first establish that payments are being made before we try to guess who's making them? Seems too big a logical leap.

[PrincessMichaela]

It's much better if you can frame it not as a complaint about their bias but as if you're reporting a factual error.


Exactly what I've been doing. Just the facts. Also, aside from the fact that I'm taking the time to give them corrections, I'm careful to never give any indication that I am a fan, This removes my bias and sadly, gives me more credibility. :smilerolleyes:



Also, I want to kiss ABC for that picture in their article. It's probably the most popular photo used when mentioning 1993 - BUT it drives me absolutely up the wall that every time it's posted anywhere, they've cut Lily out!! That's because him holding a little girl hurts their story. Word, If you can't prove your case without doing sensational things like that, then you've probably got a case too weak to be trying to prove anyway... Thanks ABC....even though I'm flabbergasted you could state your "sources" with a straight face...

[Bo G]

Exactly what I've been doing. Just the facts. Also, aside from the fact that I'm taking the time to give them corrections, I'm careful to never give any indication that I am a fan, This removes my bias and sadly, gives me more credibility. :smilerolleyes:

I know what you mean about "sadly." I don't like withholding part of who I am.

[Sophielo]

Exactly what I've been doing. Just the facts. Also, aside from the fact that I'm taking the time to give them corrections, I'm careful to never give any indication that I am a fan, This removes my bias and sadly, gives me more credibility. :smilerolleyes:

I know what you mean. You can post the most informative post in the world about MJ but as soon as someone sees that your an MJ fan you get called all the names under the sun and your post suddenly doesn't matter. Its a sad turn of events and its been prevalent on Digital Spy in the Evan Chandler thread. Unsuprisingly its just turned into a war between MJ fans and MJ haters. MJ haters love winding the fans up and as hard as we may we always rise to the bait as we are loyal, when it comes to MJ our emotions take over and we will defend him forever.

[PrincessMichaela]

With ya, Bo.

[PrincessMichaela]

Chandler was the driving force behind a 1994 child-molestation case, telling Santa Barbara authorities that his then 13-year-old son, Jordan, had been sexually abused by the singer during sleepovers at Neverland Ranch.
The allegations sparked an investigation that led Jackson, in an effort to clear his name, to voluntarily allow his genitalia to be photographed as evidence.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html

From E! (!?!) :clapping:

[Beachlover]

Sorry if this has been discussed but ...

Isnt it suspicious that TMZ wasnt on this story the minute the body was found? And the comment in the Daily Mail (I DID NOT BUY IT BTW) from the police implied that they want to keep this quiet whilst they blabbed to TMZ about everything to do with MJ in June and July.

Also - in the Daily Mail the quote from the detective was awfully biased; it was something like ' the impact of the 1993 case devasted everone in different ways'..it implied that Michael was guilty and Chandler's life was ruined.

I find the whole thing bizzare! Who is paying the news to not make a big deal of this 2 weeks ago and even now? Many things dont add up about LAPD history with MJ in life and after 25.6 and I hope someone researches and trys to add all this up.

I have a very bad feeling about the whole thing.

Well, for one thing, this body was found in NEW JERSEY. Not LAPD jurisdiction. Maybe here on the East Coast the police are not 'in' with the gossips and just did their job like they were supposed to.

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html

From E! (!?!) :clapping:
Yup, i read that one:agree: :clapping:

[.Butterflies.]

"Cops swooped on Neverland seizing videos, photos, diaries, and rolls of film. They also found an album of nude boys."

What now? That I have never heard?

[CarinaT]

"Cops swooped on Neverland seizing videos, photos, diaries, and rolls of film. They also found an album of nude boys."

What now? That I have never heard?
No one needs to get frantic about this. Could have been merely pictures of children and babies (both boys and girls) that fans sent him. Or classic nude art Or it could have been nothing at all.
No matter what, trust the police and media to put a spin on things.

[dancemasterman]

court documents say otherwise.

no they don't. They have MJ's signature on it. MJ even agreed not to talk publicly about the case in the settlement, in exchange for them doing the same.

Your telling me that the insurance company can take away Mj's right to free speech without his consent?

I wish people would stop lying. Seriously, it's retarded. If you want to defend MJ, do it truthfully instead of acting like a tabloid.

[PrincessMichaela]

No one needs to get frantic about this. Could have been merely pictures of children and babies (both boys and girls) that fans sent him. Or classic nude art Or it could have been nothing at all.
No matter what, trust the police and media to put a spin on things.

Yeah, I also read about how there was one private room they weren't allowed to go in. They went in there anyway and found boxes with pictures of young boys, around 14 years old. The pictures were only from the waist up, but they were shirtless and posing for the camera, MJ was even in some of them, "holding them".

Wanna know why they weren't allowed in that room? It was his office. Wanna know what the top of that box said? 3T....idiots.

That's what happens when ignorant "journalists" get a hold of case files and all of the details are left out. :doh:

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

"Cops swooped on Neverland seizing videos, photos, diaries, and rolls of film. They also found an album of nude boys."

What now? That I have never heard?

What is this from? The Exaggeration Tonight article? Regarding the album its another bulls**t lie from Sneddon. As far as I remember the book was of work from an artist who wanted to photograph Michael and had pics of Liz Taylor and the Jackson 5 in it. I think there were other books that Sneddon claimed had sinster stuff in them too but remember what CarinaT said.

In Sneddon's mind:

books with classical nude art=proof mj was a pedo
books with smiling girl & boy babies=proof mj was a pedo.

[bluetopez]

But the docs say MJ insurance came in wether he wanted them to or not even though he signed it, it was the insurance that paid the claim! That's what the Doc says, and it was LEGAL! So...what's the problem?

[.Butterflies.]

Oh right. I wasn't getting worked up. I was just wondering wth they were on about. Yeah they are probably refering to the 'boys will be boys' book or something by substituting it for 'album of nude boys.' I'm sure they had that book since the 93 allegations and brought it as 'proof' to the 2005 trial. What's next? I'm a beastophile because I like Mickey mouse who is essentially a mouse wearing lipstick red underwear?

The quote was from the first news result i got after typing even chandler in google. www.mirror.co.uk

[bluetopez]

They did have that book from 93 and did use it in 2005 trial and the jury said they looked through all the "Evidence" and said they thought nothing of it because it was a LEGAL book! LOL And knowing that, they barley looked at the it afterwords...lol I thought that was funny, that they said that because Sneedon made it out to be child porn and the jury CLEARLY knew that it was NOT!

They said that the "Evidence" was not enough! They kept going back to the stuff that was suppose to be evidence other then the book that was as given to them and ended up in the same spot....NOTHING, saying they wish for more and thought that they would get more from the prosecution in terms of PROOF and did not!

One jury said they just pretty much looked at each other and knew, when talking about the verdict, which of course was NOT GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES!

SORRY SNEDDON U FAIL! LMAO

I taped the whole Jury interview live when it aired right after MJ won so I remember what was said orginally by ALL THE JURORS BEFORE some of them did a flip flop to sell a book!! FOOLS!

[bluetopez]

oh right. I wasn't getting worked up. I was just wondering wth they were on about. Yeah they are probably refering to the 'boys will be boys' book or something by substituting it for 'album of nude boys.' i'm sure they had that book since the 93 allegations and brought it as 'proof' to the 2005 trial. What's next? I'm a beastophile because i like mickey mouse who is essentially a mouse wearing lipstick red underwear?

The quote was from the first news result i got after typing even chandler in google. www.mirror.co.uk

The Mirror....A tabloid! Lol

[.Butterflies.]

I have a question about the 93 case as well... About the taped phone conversation in which Evan apparently says the following:

"There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me…I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s smart and he’s hungry for publicity. Everything’s going to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I’ve given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…Michael’s career will be over.

Was the part in bold font actually said or has this been tweaked? I don't recall it being said in 'Redemption' at the end where Geraldine Hughes includes a transcript of the phone conversation, but maybe she just left that line out. If he did say it why do you think he was calling MJ evil? And what's this 'proof' was he referring to exactly?

[Vici]

Diane Dimon is such an evil bitch.

Meanwhile, Jordie is "a master of staying underground," remaining outside the media's glare. With no worry about money, he travels constantly, skiing and piloting his own plane.

"He's big and tall, handsome and athletic," Diamond said. "He lives simply. He's not a flashy kid at all. I think ultimately he's doing all right. He may be the most balanced of that whole family."

Um, yes the BLOOD money which she forgets to mention. Its so awful to hear stories about him traveling and having his own plane? ..And him being this good-looking guy. She is just trying too hard.

[Soundmind]

guys I noticed something the defense did not pay attention to during the trial , the detective who recovered the two books said the one who helped them found the nooks was Blanca Francia , but Blanka stopped working for mike in 1991 .

[.Butterflies.]

:rofl: Thanks for the clarification bluetopez

[.Butterflies.]

guys I noticed something the defense did not pay attention to during the trial , the detective who recovered the two books said the one who helped them found the nooks was Blanca Francia , but Blanka stopped working for mike in 1991 .
hmmm interesting observation

[dancemasterman]

I have a question about the 93 case as well... About the taped phone conversation in which Evan apparently says the following:

"There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me…I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s smart and he’s hungry for publicity. Everything’s going to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I’ve given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…Michael’s career will be over.

Was the part in bold font actually said or has this been tweaked? I don't recall it being said in 'Redemption' at the end where Geraldine Hughes includes a transcript of the phone conversation, but maybe she just left that line out. If he did say it why do you think he was calling MJ evil? And what's this 'proof' was he referring to exactly?


No he is not on recording saying the part in bold. As for Redemption, the book was basically a hardcover tabloid. It's transcripts for the conversation were not how it went either. I posted the you tube link a page ago where you can hear the tapes for yourself.

The tape really doesn't reveal anything. Everything he says could fit perfectly if you believe he's falsely accusing MJ, but it also fits perfectly for an angry father. It's been used by the media to back up both claims.

[Superstition]

Maybe if they had reported these facts back then like they are now (using the words "alleged", mentioning the insurance company and the fact that Jackson volunteered to be photographed) the public might have a different perception of this whole ordeal.

To many, they have the perception Jackson pulled out a checkbook, wrote a check and the charges disappeared, and that really couldn't be further from the truth.

[.Butterflies.]

No he is not on recording saying the part in bold. As for Redemption, the book was basically a hardcover tabloid. It's transcripts for the conversation were not how it went either. I posted the you tube link a page ago where you can hear the tapes for yourself.

The tape really doesn't reveal anything. Everything he says could fit perfectly if you believe he's falsely accusing MJ, but it also fits perfectly for an angry father. It's been used by the media to back up both claims.

oh this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnubxWTWf_4

Yeah I've seen that before, but it seems to be excerpts of the conversation, not the thing in it's entirety.

[Soundmind]

1 A. These books were seized from a cabinet

2 within Michael Jackson’s closet in the master

3 bedroom.

4 Q. All right. Describe his bedroom for us,

5 please.

6 A. The bedroom is a very large --

7 MR. SANGER: Your Honor, I think it would be

8 cumulative at this time, wouldn’t it?

9 THE COURT: Sustained.

10 Q. BY MR. ZONEN: All right. Tell us where in

11 his bedroom this particular closet is.

12 A. It was off to the side of the main bedroom.

13 There were -- actually, there were two closets on

14 either side of the room, and this would have been

15 the side where the Jacuzzi was located.

16 Q. Now, this is the first floor of his bedroom

17 suite; is that right?

18 A. That’s correct.

19 Q. Was there a bed in that bedroom suite?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. I’m going to show you Exhibit No. 856.

22 A. Okay.

23 Q. Do you recognize that photograph?

24 A. Yes, I do.

25 Q. And that photograph is what?

26 A. This is a photograph that was taken during

27 the search warrant of Neverland Ranch, and it

28 depicts the file cabinet that the books were seized 8164



1 from.

2 Q. All right. And is that file cabinet

3 depicted in that photograph?

4 A. Yes, it is.

5 Q. How many drawers in that file cabinet?

6 A. Four.

7 Q. In which drawer were those two books seized,

8 from which drawer?

9 A. From the third drawer.

10 Q. Was that file cabinet locked?

11 A. Yes, it was.

12 Q. How were you able to unlock it?

13 A. We were able to get the key from -- the maid

14 brought the key over to the home and we were able to

15 unlock it at that time.

16 Q. Do you remember which maid that was?

17 A. I believe it was Blanca Francia.

18 Q. Thank you. Is that photograph -- does that

19 photograph accurately depict the subject matter

20 contained within it?

21 A. Yes, it does.






Francia Branca :


8 Q. Do you remember when it was you left

9 Neverland?

10 A. May, I think.

11 Q. Of what year?

12 A. ‘91. ‘90 or ‘91. ‘91, I think.

13 Q. May of ‘91?

14 A. ‘91.

15 Q. All right. So you would have been employed

16 by Mr. Jackson for a period of about five years?

17 A. Five years, yeah.

18 Q. Now, May of ‘91 your son would be turning

19 11; is that right?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. Do you know if you left before his 11th

22 birthday?

23 A. Uh-huh. About.

24 Q. Did your son have any more association with

25 Michael Jackson after you?

26 A. After?

27 Q. Yes, after you left.

28 A. No. 5033



1 Q. Did you ever go back to Neverland after you

2 left?

3 A. No.

4 Q. Did you ever visit with Mr. Jackson after

5 you left?

6 A. No.

7 Q. Were you contacted by law enforcement at

8 some time after you left Neverland, your employment

9 at Neverland, for an interview?

10 A. Yeah. 1994 or ‘93. I don’t remember.

[Vici]

CNN have an article as well. Its Ok -minus Ray Chandler saying Evan felt threatened by Mj fans.

He was working as a dentist in Beverly Hills, California, in 1993 when he said his son, who was 13 at the time, told him that Jackson had molested him. His son revealed it, he said, when he put him under anesthesia to pull a tooth.

The Los Angeles County district attorney did not pursue criminal charges against Jackson, but Chandler and his son reached a confidential financial settlement with the singer after filing a lawsuit. Reports at the time said the Chandlers got between $16 million and $20 million from Jackson's insurance company.

The Chandler accusation became a key part of the prosecution's case when Jackson was tried and acquitted of molestation a decade later in Santa Barbara County, California.




http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/18/jackson.accuser.suicide/index.html

[Soundmind]

how could Francia had the key to mj's drawers three years after she left ?

[bluetopez]

how could Francia had the key to mj's drawers three years after she left ?

LMAO! She was fired by Michael for stealing from him so......?

[bluetopez]

:rofl: Thanks for the clarification bluetopez

:) No problem!

[Soundmind]

LMAO! She was fired by Michael for stealing from him so......?

excuse me ? she stole them , mj knew she stole them , yet mj did not change the keys although he was so paranoid . :smilerolleyes:

and how come the detectives knew she had the keys for those drawers ? how come the detectives figured mj did not change them ? and why would they call her and ask her to come to neverland and open those drawers ? I can't believe the defense did not notice that at all .

[steve demon]

It's funny how they overlook that even when they were "paid off" they were still allowed to pursue criminal charges against Michael. The contract merely said that they couldn't come after anymore of his money.

You'd think if your child was molested you'd want to see the guy rot in jail too, huh?

[*~MJ Loves MJ~*]

"Also, most stories still say "Jackson settled with the accuser" instead of "Jackson's insurance company..." Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that completely inaccurate? I'm hoping if/when the larger outlets report on this, they'll get it right (but not betting on it...)"


I believe that the insurance company settled with the accuser, but then later went after MJ to have them pay him back. I can't remember where I read this, but that was my understanding. I may be corrected as well,

Yes, from what I gather this was correct. In fact, the Chandlers were asked by the authorities several times if they wanted to press charges against Michael, and they simply stated that they wanted to sue. Now, if your child was molested, you'd want that person to pay the ultimate price....

Michael even tried to get the case to go to trial, yet due to the fact that the family wouldn't press any charges...the insurance company told Michael that it would prob drag on for years and cost him millions. Mike wanted to fight, but again, the cards were against him. Thank God the truth prevailed in the end. Yet, we still lost Michael.

[iamthriller82]

i watched something on cnn that said he was fearful for his life since the 1993 allegations because MJ fans were threatening his life and that is why he was carrying a gun. I think he was just fearful because he lied and was a disgusting human being

[*~MJ Loves MJ~*]

I agree IamThriller.

So Chandler is dead....I guess karma does still have some work to do.

[bluetopez]

excuse me ? she stole them , mj knew she stole them , yet mj did not change the keys although he was so paranoid . :smilerolleyes:

and how come the detectives knew she had the keys for those drawers ? how come the detectives figured mj did not change them ? and why would they call her and ask her to come to neverland and open those drawers ? I can't believe the defense did not notice that at all .

See, That's what I don't get either, all I know is why she left Neverland in the first place was because she was stealing from MJ and he fired her because of it! How in the world she had keys three yrs later to help the cops, I don't know, she could have mad a copy yrs ago and got lucky? After all MJ didn't expect to get accused of something like this to changed locks and all that!

[Soundmind]

ok but that means she was there from the very begining , when exactly they raided neverland back then ?

and why they did not ask the employees there for the keys ? why call this woman out of all people to deliver the keys ? and mj was very aware of the police investigation and he knew at some point they were going to raid his ranch yet he left those two books there . not saying they were child pornography , but sure without them , sneddon case would even weaker , not that it would have stopped him

[A_Powerful_Mind]

In Sneddon's mind:

books with classical nude art=proof mj was a pedo
books with smiling girl & boy babies=proof mj was a pedo.

Sneddon is an ass.

I suppose in his mind the hetro porn stash they found was also proof that Michael liked little boys too.

Someone like him should never go to places like Italy or France. All the nude sculptures and paintings might lead him to believe they're trying to turn the whole country into a brothel of some sort.

He needs to crawl back under the rock from whence he slithered.

[PrincessMichaela]

Someone like him should never go to places like Italy or France. All the nude sculptures and paintings might lead him to believe they're trying to turn the whole country into a brothel of some sort.

He needs to crawl back under the rock from whence he slithered.

LoL. Sorry, this is so off topic, but yano who Sneddon always reminds me of?

"Kevin McMaxford" (Barry Humphries) - The sleezy media tycoon in Spice World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPiJKetBp1g - 6:51 to the end.

They're so eerily similar, it creeps the heck outta' me. Looks, demeanor, motive...ugh.

[Reghead121]

LoL. Sorry, this is so off topic, but yano who Sneddon always reminds me of?

"Kevin McMaxford" (Barry Humphries) - The sleezy media tycoon in Spice World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPiJKetBp1g - 6:51 to the end.

They're so eerily similar, it creeps the heck outta' me. Looks, demeanor, motive...ugh.

I tried so hard to never look at Sneddon, or listen to him (i'd read what he said instead) because the guy seriously had a look about him.... :ph34r:

And yeah I agree, with Sneddon everything was 'sexual in a bad way'. I never understood that. :mello:

[bluetopez]

ok but that means she was there from the very begining , when exactly they raided neverland back then ?

and why they did not ask the employees there for the keys ? why call this woman out of all people to deliver the keys ? and mj was very aware of the police investigation and he knew at some point they were going to raid his ranch yet he left those two books there . not saying they were child pornography , but sure without them , sneddon case would even weaker , not that it would have stopped him

Blanca Francia was fired in 91 for stealing from Michael so she wasn't working in Neverland Valley Ranch or hadn't seen MJ after that when they raided neverland in 93! MJ didn't know he was gonna be investigated in the begining because at first Chandler was threatening MJ behind closed doors for 20 mil But, MJ declined not standing for the extortion attempt and that made chandler angry so of course then he accused MJ through the media, then Of course the police got involved and that's when they raided Neverland BY SURPRISE without MJ even present! So they must had had secret meetings with certain people before the raid!? Evan did say he had people lined up so? I don't know I still think she may had made a copy of the keys as I said in the last post but, in the trial it was never asked?

Then MJ accused Chandler later of extortion and the media was given Evan on tape talking about his "PLAN!" But, anyways Neverland was raided by surprise so everything in the house was as it was, plus the books were legal so why hide anything anyways right? Plus, their was a note written inside one of those books that the jurors saw that helped them understand MJ state of mind, MJ wrote something about him wishing that he can be free like the children in the pics in the book and he can't imagine such freedom, this was MJ expressing the lost of his childhood and how he wish he had one! So Sneedon is an idiot for trying to make MJ a pervert because that note doesn't sound like a pervert to me! lol Sneedon is one creepy man he called Neverland FAIRLY-LAND once when talking to Diane Dimond on Court Tv he is clearly homophobic and thinks MJ is gay, poor old man! LMAO!

[djbaby]

there was a small thing buried in our local Adelaide newspaper. it said the police dept confirmed evan is dead but they didn't mention anything about suicide. it said that the case never went to trial because of the settlement. such bullshit. i remember in 94 when two independent grand juries decided there wasn't enough evidence to go to trial (after the civil settlement was done, and decision nothing to do with the settlement) and it got like two sentences in the newspaper. i'm so done with the media - actually i was ages ago but this just reminds me

[bluetopez]

Let's not forget that the statue of limitations didn't run out until 1999 in this case so the Chandlers had plenty of time to accuse MJ criminally if they wanted to!!

[Sophielo]

I tried so hard to never look at Sneddon, or listen to him (i'd read what he said instead) because the guy seriously had a look about him.... :ph34r:

And yeah I agree, with Sneddon everything was 'sexual in a bad way'. I never understood that. :mello:

Every time I see the name Tom Sneddon I have 'D.S' playing in my mind!

[Moonlight]

Why not Aphrodite Jones, who has an excellent reputation for accurate court and crime journalism? Just because her book was published by a major publisher, presumably. Thus the media echo chamber perpetuates itself... sigh.


I take it there, that you meant her book was not published by a major publisher?

Yes indeed, why not Aphrodite Jones? as a previously majorly published crime investigation author, she said herself at that time, even after the 2005 acquittal, that she was told by the publishers that they didn't want anything pro-Jackson.
Personally I find it deeply troubling that the 1993 child molestation allegations (amongst other things) have reared their head again at all, at this time.

Irrespective of what the whole content of the many articles may contain, that keep fans of Michael busy reading into the subtle differences, most people only see one or two news reports, they simply don't bother digging deeper into those finer details; and most will only recall the scandalous headlines.

In terms of perception of the public, it's that case and the civil suit and not the 2005 case which Michael fought and won, that people who believe Michael Jackson was a child molestor frequently cite as evidence, so in that sense I get it.
~ This hark back to the '93 allegations from my point of view began with TMZ/Klein 'peeing in a cup', and now this far more serious matter serving as another reminder, via a wider mainstream media. So to me, it has relevance to something.

I don't know the truth of it all, but I do feel games are being played behind the scenes, mixed-messages given, scenes being set etc... I feel whether one perceives something as good or bad, it's always being orchestrated for a purpose that suits those who have the power to control it; and that's the thing that disturbs me most of all.
The media is the media, no matter whether you refer to it as tabloid or mainstream, it can easily be controlled, manipulated, coerced etc...

~ Apart from many other things I've learnt from Michael Jackson, one of the most important lessons has been not to trust the media, I still don't.

[.Butterflies.]

Anyone able to answer the question I asked on the last page about the taped phone conversation? :unsure:

[Bo G]

I take it there, that you meant her book was not published by a major publisher?
.

Thanks... fixed.

[Sdeidjs]

AMEN Susie. You can really say that again. I am actually sorry for Evan's soul, but he alone is responsible for his acts.

I knew that one way or another, the truth would come out and it would be related to his departure from this earth, I just didn't think it would be so soon.

All we can do now is to pray and wait, [QUOTE]JUSTICE WILL BE DONE and
Michael's name will be cleared. That awful cloud had been so wrongfully attached to his integrity for far too many years. Remember folks, God is good and He is never late, whatever we may think.


It is quite ironic actually to find this news six years to the day when the second allegations hit. I remember that day like it was yesterday how I was crying my eyes out when hearing about the Neverland raid. Things are certainly coming full circle, aren't they? Sneddon and his grin at the press conference the next day, the arrest on November 20th, all the pain of the hearings and the trial, my goodness...

All of those responsible for Michael's pain REALLY need to start praying for forgiveness or else they will all end up like Evan Chandler. I wouldn't wish it on anyone though. He could be like the rich man that denied poor Lazarus food at his gate. He is trying to warn them now from the deepest pit of hell, they better listen.

Sorry if anyone is offended by the religious tone of my post, but I can't help write what I believe to be the truth.


God bless you all.

:punk:

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~

[Bo G]

Again, this thread is leaving out our personal emotions and religious opinions about Evan Chandler's death, which were explored in a different thread.

[Veromca]

Does anyone give me some docs that prove it was insurance company payed off the family?


Okay, I have a question. I've heard that if Jordan comes forward it could backfire and cost royalties that would go to Michael's children.

This makes no sense to me, I've got my info on the 1993 case but I'm a bit rusty on it.

Could someone explain if that statement makes sense or not?

Honestly I don't think Jordan will come forward and tell the truth though I hope so. He was too young in 1993, his memory about MJ faded away, and now his father just died.


evan chandler tried to sue mj again in 1995. he filed against mj lisa marie and sony. maybe some others. he claimed that mj had broken the confidentiality clause in the settlement by writing songs on the history album. he asked a judge to give him permission to record and release his own album where he would sing songs about his son being abused!! he even gave song titles in the lawsuit. (not very pretty) the judge through the case out but it went on for a while as they do. evan basically spent all his money he got in the settlement trying to after mj a second time.


What? Reseasing his album? I never know Evan went so far. Sick.

[PrincessMichaela]

The one very good thing that I've seen in nearly every article is the mention of Jordan's restraining order against Evan for what he did in 2005. Whenever people ask "Who would take money instead of justice, or instead of money + justice, if their kid was molested?" people always retort "Someone who doesn't want to keep their child in the glare of the media or put them through a rough trial." Well, this clearly debunks that idea - these were not people with their child's best interest at heart. So, while this may not prove MJ's innocence, it definitely leaves the Chandlers with absolutely no more excuses...and that in itself says something.

[Gottobethere]

Can some one PM the GQ article if they can get it.

[ginvid]

Can some one PM the GQ article if they can get it.

I'm sorry, I am not sure what page, but the link to it was posted a few times throughout this thread. I'll look and let you know.

[Bo G]

Can some one PM the GQ article if they can get it.

Sure... it's in my post upthread at http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2386555 .

[ginvid]

Thanks Bo G, I didn't know exactly where to find it.

[Trish]

Hi all,

I had to remove some posts that had an anti-jewish/anti-Semitic video, and the comments that followed. I also removed an off topic tabloid article and the comments that followed that. If your comment was removed please do not get offended! It was only moved because you quoted the offensive article/video.

Carry on!

[elusive moonwalker]

This motion filed by T-Mez during the trial last year should clear that info:

Hightlights: Memo in Support of Objection to Subpoena for Settlement Documents
The following are excerpts from the court document:

Pg3 The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jackson's insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel.

It is general practice for an insurer to be entitled to control settlement negotiations and the insured is precluded from any interference.

…Under the majority of contracts for liability insurance, the absolute control of the defense of the matter is turned over to the insurance company and the insured is excluded from any interference in any negotiation for settlement or other legal proceedings (emphasis added).

…An insurance carrier has the right to settle claims covered by insurance when it decides settlement is expedient and the insured may not interfere with nor prevent such settlements.

Pg2 Because insurance companies were the source of the settlement amounts, and the insurance companies make the payments based on their contractual rights to settle the proceeding without Mr. Jackson's permission, the settlement does not constitute an admission and cannot be used to create such an impermissible inference to the jury.

Pg3 The speculative suggestion that Mr. Jackson somehow made an admission when an insurance company required a settlement, and in fact paid for the settlement, creates an impermissible inference to the jury that would deprive Mr. Jackson of due process of law.

Pg 4 It is unfair for an insurance company's settlement to be now held against Mr. Jackson or for the Settlement Agreement to be admitted as evidence of Mr. Jackson's prior conduct or guilt. Mr. Jackson could not control nor interfere with his insurance carrier's demand to settle the dispute.

Pg9-10 Permitting evidence of settlement agreements or amounts would be speculative because there is no evidence Michael Jackson made the settlement. Settlements in civil suits many times are dictated by insurance companies who settle claims regardless of an individual's wishes.

Although Jordan Chandler was interviewed "thereafter" by detectives seeking evidence to offer in a child molestation prosecution of Michael Jackson, "no criminal charges were filed as a result of that interview."

This interview took place prior to the decision of the United States Supreme Court in Stogner v California, 539 U.S. 607, 613 (2003), holding California's retroactive extension of the statute of limitations to be unconstitutional.

In other words, Jordan Chandler's statements were not sufficient even at that earlier time, to support child molestation charges against Michael Jackson, and to now permit the suggestion of a settlement agreement for some improper act is not only irrelevant, but also a speculative violation of the statute of limitations

After this motion, the judge ruled that the prosecution were not allowed to allude to or include any information or suggested allegation that MJ paid the Chandlers because he didn't the insurance paid over MJ's and his lawyers objections...

Another thing to note... when Evan was filing suit he included "negligence course of distress" knowing full well the insurance would pay for that which would pave way for the Chandlers to avoid the criminal trial. MJ and his team were pushing for the criminal trial, they filed a motion to stop the civil trial, put in on hold to wait for the criminal trial but they were denied that chance.....


He was too young in 1993, his memory about MJ faded away,he was 13 not a young child and hes told many ppl that mj did nothing so his memory is no problem.


ason Francia and his mother Blanca Francia got a 2 mil settlement around the same time as the chandlers! But, not before Blanca got thousands of dollars selling B.S stories to the tabs, about MJ sleep overs only, she never mentioned any child being molested including her son and never went to the cops either.blanca francia went to the tabs around the time history was on its way.it was rumoured that sony paid the money cause they didnt want another p.r disaster. who knows? shes a prime example of being turned into a victim by diane dimond, at first the police interviewed her son and he said nothing happened.they harrassed him to the point of blanca actually making complaints that her son was being pushed into making accusations against mj by the police. during one of these interviews jason complained to the the police saying they were pushing him to say something had happened so he said mj may have accidently touched him once when play fighting. all this was documented during the trial. as soon as dimond came knocking with money the story suddenly changed.blanca had been sacked b4 this happened for stealing from mj.she claimed to have seen the likes of wade robson etc abused although said it was through frosted galss so she couldnt even see who was there. of course wade etc came to court and denied such thing ever took place. jason francia was laughed at by the jurrors during he trial because hes was so unbelievable. he claimed he had only found out a couple of weeks b4 testifyed that his mother had got 2 mill. he never asked her and didnt bother to ask why she didnt work and went from being a maid to living a nice life all those years ago. the jurrors said him claiming hed been in rehab for years cause he was accidently touched 15 years ago was a joke. they said he was nothing but a lair. he became know as tickle me elmo to the fans who were here during the trial


no they don't.

read the motion written by mez during the 05 trial. or are u claiming mez comitted perjury? that is what im basing this off what confidentiality clauses were created by either side is a seperate issue.at the end of the aday mj would have been given no choice but to settle the case either way as the cali system did not protect those who were been sued and being investigated by the police at the same time. all sneddon would have done was sit in on the civil case and build his prosecution around that. mj lawyers tried to file motions to stop the civil case from progressing b4 the crim case was over but of course the judge refused. after 93 the law in cali was changed to give the D.A the ability to stop a civil case from going forward b4 a crim case was over. they blamed mj for deciding to change the law when infact mj had been asking for this all along. as normal they lied and tried to make mj to be in the wrong.

theres also the issues with the us legal syatem as it was then with civil cases being allowed to happen b4 crim cases which hinders ppl right to a fair trial. cant remember if its been talked about in here or not.


What? Reseasing his album? I never know Evan went so far. Sick. yes it was reported on abit at the time but for the most part covered up as it just shows how gready he was.even more so when hes wanting to sing songs about child abuse. the case dragged on for years as chandler kept appealing when judges through the case out. its thought he used pretty much all his money from the settlement on going after mj for the second time.and when he became ill thats when jordan came back into his life until evan tried to kill him in 2005

[Rockin.]

...but that article was showing 'recent news reporting on 1993'. Are tabloid papers not allowed in this thread? I don't know what we were expecting the papers to say.. and these are the papers that the majority of people read. :(

Anyway, I wish I hadn't clicked on it so Trish its probably good its been removed. Terrible. I feel so upset over that article. I'm going to stay away from news reporting.

[tragickingdom]

Hi all,

I had to remove some posts that had an anti-jewish/anti-Semitic video, and the comments that followed. I also removed an off topic tabloid article and the comments that followed that. If your comment was removed please do not get offended! It was only moved because you quoted the offensive article/video.

Carry on!
are you talking about that article today from the Mirror that I posted? That was actually on topic with the title of this thread. :doh:

[Trish]

are you talking about that article today from the Mirror that I posted? That was actually on topic with the title of this thread. :doh:

Actually the originator of the thread said:



TK... the Mirror is a tabloid, so that would be off-topic for this thread...

So it was removed. And please remember that the owner of this board has banned ALL tabloid articles/reporting with the exception of TMZ.