Michael Jackson Moonwalker Blu-Ray-2 disc Blu Ray out Oct

[Kapital77]

Releaselists.com is reporting that Warner will release Moonwalker on July 7th 2010 in France.


Notable List Updates from the Last Few Days

Oct 19, 2009

USA News:
Moon (2009) release date has changed again and has been brought forward from Jan 12 to Dec 29. Can't complain about getting it earlier and I can't wait to see this film.

International news:
In France, Warner have listed some milestone releases for the next year on their France site. The titles are: Micmacs à tire-larigot due Mar 3; Kelly's Heroes, The Neverending Story, Where Eagles Dare are all due April 7; Poseidon and A Star is Born (1954) are due May 12; Absolute Power (1997) and The Rookie (1990) are due Jun 2; Moonwalker (1988) is due Jul 7; Insomnia (2002/I) is due Aug 4; The Exorcist (1973), Forbidden Planet (1956), Mars Attacks are all due Oct 6; Excalibur (1981), The Maltese Falcon (1941), The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1941) are all due Nov 3; 2001: A Space Odyssey (Ultimate Collector's Edition) and Last of the Mohicans (1992) are due Dec 1.

MICHAEL JACKSON AND SMOOTH CRIMINAL IN HD 1080P !!!

Can´t wait.

[shimar]

Joe Jackson has ruined the word "Blu-Ray" for me - FOREVER.

Thanks, Joe.

[Maestro]

At long last... hopefully we will see all of MJ's videography available on Blu Ray in the not too distant future

[Memefan]

Joe Jackson has ruined the word "Blu-Ray" for me - FOREVER.

Thanks, Joe.

OMG!! You are hilarious. But so right.

[BruceWayne]

Since Michael shot many(or all?!) his short films in 35mm I hope they will make some form of video collection in HD.
I mean, I have a retail version Moonwalker in PAL and the picture is crystal clear, and the colors on the Thriller part is incredible vivid... it's like you can taste the leather of his jacket - Then imagine a full scale HD of this, that would be absolutely amazing.

Only thing I'm wondering if they will crop the video from 4:3 to 16:9 - is there any released 4:3 movies out there?

[Jabz]

I can't wait for this, I can finally start my Moonwalker edit. For me the editing in the film, or rather in the intro between MITM and Speed Demon is poo, things are out of time and the music is mixed horribly, I'd love to fix it and add some 2009 sparkle to it!

[mj_brainiac]

I'm still hoping for a USA DVD/Blu Ray release

[mj_brainiac]

I'd love to see something like this

Moonwalker: Special Edition on DVD or Blu Ray

Source Video
-Pulled the original 16mm film reels out of cold storage, and used them as the primary source material.

Source Audio
- Digitally remastered in 5.1

Disc 1
-"Moonwalker"- the original film
-"The Magic Begins" commercial
-Orignal US trailer
-Original Japanese trailer

Disc 2
-Michael and Moonwalker (Special Featurette)
-Making of Moonwalker (1988 TV Special)
-Deleted Scenes and Bloopers
-Rehearsals
-Making of Leave Me Alone
-Making of Speed Demon

Special Features:
The Chase

[Richard723]

Since Michael shot many(or all?!) his short films in 35mm I hope they will make some form of video collection in HD.
I mean, I have a retail version Moonwalker in PAL and the picture is crystal clear, and the colors on the Thriller part is incredible vivid... it's like you can taste the leather of his jacket - Then imagine a full scale HD of this, that would be absolutely amazing.

Only thing I'm wondering if they will crop the video from 4:3 to 16:9 - is there any released 4:3 movies out there?

Moonwalker is mostly in 16:9. The dvd release is just taken from the Laserdisc master I believe.
Still amazing quality.

[Siyahamba]

Since Michael shot many(or all?!) his short films in 35mm I hope they will make some form of video collection in HD.
I mean, I have a retail version Moonwalker in PAL and the picture is crystal clear, and the colors on the Thriller part is incredible vivid... it's like you can taste the leather of his jacket - Then imagine a full scale HD of this, that would be absolutely amazing.

Only thing I'm wondering if they will crop the video from 4:3 to 16:9 - is there any released 4:3 movies out there?

I think only Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough was not in 35mm.

If they crop the short films, or stretch them wide, I won't be buying them.

[bjoernclausen]

Omfg!!! Moonwalker on blu-ray, I'm so excited!!!

[BruceWayne]

Moonwalker is mostly in 16:9. The dvd release is just taken from the Laserdisc master I believe.
Still amazing quality.

Hmm weird, my PAL version is mostly in 4:3 :scratch:
As I now skip through it I can see that the only part that is 16:9 is Leave Me Alone.

I think only Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough was not in 35mm.

If they crop the short films, or stretch them wide, I won't be buying them.

I agree - to crop out Michael's feet (or head) would be unforgivable!
I don't think we have to worry about them stretching it though, never seen that technology on a retail release, ever.
I get so mad everytime I see them stretching anything on TV, hehe.

I'd love to see something like this...


Yes something like that would be truly amazing! :)

[Richard723]

Sorry. Moonwalker was filmed in 16:9, cropped to 4:3 for the releases.
It has been a long day..haha

[Arabian Knight]

Thanks for the great news!!! :)

[IMWhizzle]

Six months to gooo!!!

[dreamon]

Finally :D

[BruceWayne]

Sorry. Moonwalker was filmed in 16:9, cropped to 4:3 for the releases.
It has been a long day..haha

Ahh no worries :D - that's great news!
I think it would be a whole other experience in 16:9 when we'd gain so much more width in it!

[Cinnamon234]

Will they ever release this on DVD in the U.S.? Ugh, i've been waiting forever.

[ItsALLforLOVE]

I know nothing about this technologically, but Moonwalker will be presented in English right? Just sold in France. I don't have a blu-ray player, but they work in regular DVD players right?

[BruceWayne]

I know nothing about this technologically, but Moonwalker will be presented in English right? Just sold in France. I don't have a blu-ray player, but they work in regular DVD players right?

No, Blue-ray discs don't work in DVD players - But I think it's a safe bet that they will redistribute it on DVD when they're at it :)

[bjoernclausen]

Possible extras? None ón DVD but the trailer - but when they'll have to clean up the movie for high def release, maybe they'll clean up a bit of making if material as well. Watcha think?

[mjchris]

lol. they think fans are stupid? moonwalker will never be available in true HD. not possible. sure, hd in the 80's. haha. good joke!
thats only upscalling. nothing more. i dont want to have a second dvd quality disc at home for 50 or 60 euros. ^^

[Hess]

Hope ALL his DVD's will be released as BR.

[mjchris]

Hope ALL his DVD's will be released as BR.

why paying 50 or 60 euros for the same quality?

[Skizzorpuppy]

lol. they think fans are stupid? moonwalker will never be available in true HD. not possible. sure, hd in the 80's. haha. good joke!
thats only upscalling. nothing more. i dont want to have a second dvd quality disc at home for 50 or 60 euros. ^^

Wow, not to be a prick, but do some research on what HD is my friend.
Anything that was shot on film has more resolution than HD. 16mm film will look it's best, and 35mm film will look amazing, even in HD 35mm has lots more rez to offer. If they have indeed struck a new HD transfer from the film source, then we are in for a treat.

For Moonwalker or any future HD video releases, Only segments that include videos filmed on video will be upscaled. Examples being DSTYGE, Billie Jean I think was shot on film, but the editing effects were obviously done in early 80's quality video effects. Not sure how they would handle that. They may have to go in a find the original neg, rescan it and reedit it, and create the effects again. (This is currently being done for the Star Trek The Next Generation Blu Ray sets, the series was filmed on film, but edited on video along with the special effects.) As long as they keep the original edit in tact, and the "new" versions of the video edits look the same but in higher quality I'll all up for them doing this. Give into me is another video that may have some issues, the video was shot on film, but the lightening effects were 480p video. So those would have to be recreated, The CGI face in Who is it would probably be prone to this as well.

Since Moonwalker and Ghosts were created for the big screen, the film was edited for film resolution as well as the effects, they should look amazing. But for anything else it may be awhile before we get proper HD versions of Michaels Special Effect extravaganza short films, because the effects (unless they were smart enough to think HD, but honestly anything before History era I doubt anyone was thinking HD) will need heavy remastering. I seem to remember Scream being screened in theaters in 1995, if so thank god. That means the effects were produced for film, because that video would be a bitch to recreate in HD. Possible, but expensive.

Video editing of film didn't become common place until the mid 90's. The from what I have seen the Thriller-Bad era videos were probably edited on film. The only exception I can see is Bille Jean, (Another part of me was shot on video as a part of a concert, so that will be forever 480P unfortunately). So all that needs to be done is finding the original neg and striking a new master. I am not sure about Dangerous era videos, But the visual effects in some of the later videos look to be 480P, which leads me to believe they were edited on video. Not sure about Black or White. But I am pretty sure anything from History was edited on a video system like Avid. (Final cut pro wasn't around until the late 90's). If they kept the EDL lists for these, scanning in the original film in high rez would be all they need to do. The computer would take care of the rest.

Any concert footage from Bad I have seen was shot on 1980's video, so while the original source can be remastered, your never going to get anything but 480P from that. Same goes with any Dangerous concert. I don't think there were any concerts of Michaels Filmed on film, with the exception of MITM, which was used for Moonwalker.

I heard a rumor that some of the History concerts were filmed using early HD cams.
1080i (which won't look as good as modern HD, but will look really nice). It would be something if this were true!

The 2001 concerts looked nice on TV, but I'm not sure if they were shot in HD. Pretty sure it was standard 2001 era video, and it looks great but probably not HD. Anything claiming to be HD is most likely a upscale transfer. It is possible the concert was shot in HD, I guess it depends on who shot the concert. I know CBS aired the footage, but were they responsible for the filming and editing? If this ever comes to DVD, I would love to see a re-edit that treated this more as a concert and less of a tv special.

Now, as far as Moonwalker in 16x9 goes. You guys may see cropping from what you have been used to on video and tv. It all depends on how the full frame transfer was conducted. Most 1.85:1 films (16x9) are shot full frame and matted off at 1.85:1 as the intended ratio for the theater, and now for widescreen tvs. A common practice in home video was to open the matts for home video full frame transfers, which is different than pan & scan which is used for Anamorphic (Widescreen) 2.35:1 films. The pan and scan transfer process has been used in 1.85:1 but not as common, usually when a film is shot hard matted (The matts are filmed onto the film). So it just depends on how the moonwalker transfer was made for home video, Where the sides cut off of the image? Or was the top and bottom opened up?
I myself have only seen the full screen US home video and tv versions, so I'm not sure.

[Jadentheman]

2001 concerts were shot in Hd I think. someone on youtube had them up at 720p but the user is no longer there. It had japanese subtitles so it may have been a Japan only release

[Richard723]

Everything Michael has filmed has been filmed on 16mm or 35mm which is better than HD fourfold. That's how they make HD releases......

[Skizzorpuppy]

Everything Michael has filmed has been filmed on 16mm or 35mm which is better than HD fourfold. That's how they make HD releases......

I'm pretty sure your right. I'll have to do some research on the Off The Wall videos (which might have been filmed on video) but pretty much everything else short film wise was film.
Another part of me was a bad concert excerpt, which was video.

Regardless, even if these videos were filmed on film, they may have been edited on video. If that is the case new masters need to be made from original neg, and in some cases re-edit from that neg for HD resolution. Hell, I would say new masters need to be made of everything 480p, 1080i and 1080P. Doesn't matter, all of these are out of date and are in BIG TIME need of restoration. Just because some items may be stuck at 480P resolution, doesn't mean it can't look better than the current masters. Which by today's standards are crap. I'm willing to bet the DVD versions of Thiller are cut from the same master from 1984!

[Richard723]

Yes a tech person!
haha
The off the wall stuff is filmed on film too however the special effects (same with Moonwalker) are stuck in the tech of the time. However it should be fine a lot of older movies with old effects have been on blu-ray and they look good to my knowledge. Most of the Moonwalker stuff is stop motion (not privative cg) so it would just have to be re composited.

[Arabian Knight]

lol. they think fans are stupid? moonwalker will never be available in true HD. not possible. sure, hd in the 80's. haha. good joke!
thats only upscalling. nothing more. i dont want to have a second dvd quality disc at home for 50 or 60 euros. ^^

I personally stopped buying DVDs, either old or new releases, DVD is becoming obsolete. I would really want this in Bluray mainly for sound quality not just picture, if it was in DTS-HD then I would definitely pump that volume in Smooth Criminal. :punk: It would be cool if they also add extra content and bonus material.


Anything that was shot on film has more resolution than HD. 16mm film will look it's best, and 35mm film will look amazing, even in HD 35mm has lots more rez to offer. If they have indeed struck a new HD transfer from the film source, then we are in for a treat.
Everything Michael has filmed has been filmed on 16mm or 35mm which is better than HD fourfold. That's how they make HD releases......

Thanks for the info, this makes me very excited! :wild:

[*Navi*]

Wow can't wait to have it on BD!

[mjchris]

Wow, not to be a prick, but do some research on what HD is my friend.
Anything that was shot on film has more resolution than HD. 16mm film will look it's best, and 35mm film will look amazing, even in HD 35mm has lots more rez to offer. If they have indeed struck a new HD transfer from the film source, then we are in for a treat.

For Moonwalker or any future HD video releases, Only segments that include videos filmed on video will be upscaled. Examples being DSTYGE, Billie Jean I think was shot on film, but the editing effects were obviously done in early 80's quality video effects. Not sure how they would handle that. They may have to go in a find the original neg, rescan it and reedit it, and create the effects again. (This is currently being done for the Star Trek The Next Generation Blu Ray sets, the series was filmed on film, but edited on video along with the special effects.) As long as they keep the original edit in tact, and the "new" versions of the video edits look the same but in higher quality I'll all up for them doing this. Give into me is another video that may have some issues, the video was shot on film, but the lightening effects were 480p video. So those would have to be recreated, The CGI face in Who is it would probably be prone to this as well.

Since Moonwalker and Ghosts were created for the big screen, the film was edited for film resolution as well as the effects, they should look amazing. But for anything else it may be awhile before we get proper HD versions of Michaels Special Effect extravaganza short films, because the effects (unless they were smart enough to think HD, but honestly anything before History era I doubt anyone was thinking HD) will need heavy remastering. I seem to remember Scream being screened in theaters in 1995, if so thank god. That means the effects were produced for film, because that video would be a bitch to recreate in HD. Possible, but expensive.

Video editing of film didn't become common place until the mid 90's. The from what I have seen the Thriller-Bad era videos were probably edited on film. The only exception I can see is Bille Jean, (Another part of me was shot on video as a part of a concert, so that will be forever 480P unfortunately). So all that needs to be done is finding the original neg and striking a new master. I am not sure about Dangerous era videos, But the visual effects in some of the later videos look to be 480P, which leads me to believe they were edited on video. Not sure about Black or White. But I am pretty sure anything from History was edited on a video system like Avid. (Final cut pro wasn't around until the late 90's). If they kept the EDL lists for these, scanning in the original film in high rez would be all they need to do. The computer would take care of the rest.

Any concert footage from Bad I have seen was shot on 1980's video, so while the original source can be remastered, your never going to get anything but 480P from that. Same goes with any Dangerous concert. I don't think there were any concerts of Michaels Filmed on film, with the exception of MITM, which was used for Moonwalker.

I heard a rumor that some of the History concerts were filmed using early HD cams.
1080i (which won't look as good as modern HD, but will look really nice). It would be something if this were true!

The 2001 concerts looked nice on TV, but I'm not sure if they were shot in HD. Pretty sure it was standard 2001 era video, and it looks great but probably not HD. Anything claiming to be HD is most likely a upscale transfer. It is possible the concert was shot in HD, I guess it depends on who shot the concert. I know CBS aired the footage, but were they responsible for the filming and editing? If this ever comes to DVD, I would love to see a re-edit that treated this more as a concert and less of a tv special.

Now, as far as Moonwalker in 16x9 goes. You guys may see cropping from what you have been used to on video and tv. It all depends on how the full frame transfer was conducted. Most 1.85:1 films (16x9) are shot full frame and matted off at 1.85:1 as the intended ratio for the theater, and now for widescreen tvs. A common practice in home video was to open the matts for home video full frame transfers, which is different than pan & scan which is used for Anamorphic (Widescreen) 2.35:1 films. The pan and scan transfer process has been used in 1.85:1 but not as common, usually when a film is shot hard matted (The matts are filmed onto the film). So it just depends on how the moonwalker transfer was made for home video, Where the sides cut off of the image? Or was the top and bottom opened up?
I myself have only seen the full screen US home video and tv versions, so I'm not sure.

lol.
i know what HD is.... my friend. ^^
definitely you will not get 1080p. get that in your brain. and everyone who is willing to pay so much money for that is an idiot.

[Arabian Knight]

everyone who is willing to pay so much money for that.....

"This much money"?? How much is that much? Is it really that expensive? I think BD disks are becoming reasonably priced, I think one of the reasons why people might buy this because they don’t have a DVD player or their BD player doesn’t play DVDs. So it is mainly for accessibility, but I really really really hope it will be perfectly remastered.

is an idiot.
:bugeyed

[Soul Brother]

ok, to be a bit clearer. The PAL dvd is aspect ratio (1:66:1- 4:3) format (meaning, not anamorphic and not widescreen) It's the open matte version. Meaning the black bars are removed to reveal more image top and bottom.
Leave Me Alone video on the dvd is not 16:9. It's aspect ratio 1:78:1 (as it was filmed that way only)
16:9 means anamorphic (pre stretched for a widescreen tv, keeping good quality)

The original cinema print on 35mm was widescreen ratio 1:78:1 if i remember correctly. So yes the image will be slightly cropped top and bottom, but thats how it was intended to be, for cinema release in 1988.

And the 16mm film reels will not be needed to restore and remaster it because the movie was made on 35mm film. So they just need the original 35mm negative or print and remaster that.

Hopefully the BlueRay release wont just be a dvd upgrade where they just increase the resolution slightly of the current dvd print. And let's hope they correct the pitch of the PAL audio track this time. No one likes the chipmonk dvd version.

Bet they don't remaster the print and bet they don't improve the crappy PAL audio track. Bow your heads and prey everyone.

[Skizzorpuppy]

lol.
i know what HD is.... my friend. ^^
definitely you will not get 1080p. get that in your brain. and everyone who is willing to pay so much money for that is an idiot.

I just want to know where you are coming from.
Are you saying that...

A. It is not possible to get an HD image from MJ's 80's product? Like Moonwalker or his music videos (which is wrong btw). As stated ANYTHING shot on film has much to gain with HD. Now whether the original neg is still around or has been kept in good care is a whole different story.

or

B. The company making this Blu Ray release is just going to up convert the current 480p image? (Which is a sad possibility)

[Soul Brother]

Skizzor' Thanks for all that info on video/film editing and HD possibilites. it was a good read.

Any concert footage from Bad I have seen was shot on 1980's video, so while the original source can be remastered, your never going to get anything but 480P from that. Same goes with any Dangerous concert. I don't think there were any concerts of Michaels Filmed on film, with the exception of MITM, which was used for Moonwalker.


You're probably right about this, apart from one thing. Have you seen the clips of Bad from the Bad Tour '89 concert in LA , that they show on the "The Number One" dvd documentary? The quality is outstanding! If thats how good it can look on dvd, imagine what it can look like on Blue Ray. Check out the "The Number One" to see what i mean. there's a few short clips of 'Bad' from LA 1989.

I heard a rumor that some of the History concerts were filmed using early HD cams.
1080i (which won't look as good as modern HD, but will look really nice). It would be something if this were true!

Yes, the 2 Munich shows were for sure. I was told this back in 1997 on the day of the first show. The Leipzig concert was possibly HD also, as a clip of it was used in the Munich concert mix. The quality apeared to be identical to the Munich footage. Shame the Munich shows were when Michael was feeling ill and not on top form. When they showed it on tv, the quality was outstanding. It was the highest quality concert video I'd ever seen. It has yet to be televised in actual HD though.


So it just depends on how the moonwalker transfer was made for home video, Where the sides cut off of the image? Or was the top and bottom opened up?
I myself have only seen the full screen US home video and tv versions, so I'm not sure.
26-10-2009 12:09 AM

i can answer this. Moonwalker was put onto VHS with the matte bars removed, revealing more image top & bottom, but then it was zoomed in slightly so we lost some of the sides and a tiny bit of the top & bottom again. I'm sure they had their reasons. They also changed some of the video collage effects during the opening Man in the Mirror performance for VHS too. Instead of having like 50 little boxes with the image of michael's face, there were just like 6 little boxes with his face in. So I guess they modified that for some reason.

When they televised it in UK, they showed the original cinema print version but with the matte bars removed, and not zoomed in. So you got the full image on all sides and the Man in the Mirror collage effects showed the full set of little boxes as aposed to the modified version on the VHS.

So if they do release Blueray disc in anamorphic widescreen (which I'm sure they will) , we will not be missing that much image top & bottom. only a little bit. And in my opinion, they should matte it to 1:78:1 and not 1:85:, because there is no need to. Why crop off more than is necessary.

Sky TV broadcasted it in anamorphic widescreen. (bit of pointless info)

[morethanamoonwalker]

Ooooo, this is gonna be amazing!! :D

BTW, mj_brainiac, where did you get the info on the Blu-Ray/DVDcontent? :)

[AGB]

Ooooo, this is gonna be amazing!! :D

BTW, mj_brainiac, where did you get the info on the Blu-Ray/DVDcontent? :)

He just said that was what he would like to see on the DVD :). I don't think he meant it was the actual content on it. If that was the content though then that would make for an excellent Moonwalker blu-ray disc.

[zeb3000]

Just to clear this. In full respect.
About 187 MegaPixel would be needed for every frame film if you want every detail possible in a 35mm film. A FULLHD film in 1080p is 1920x1080pixels and that's 2073600px which is 2Megapixels. So the raw 35mm film would be about 93times higher resolution then FULLHD. That's why, my friends, we have FULLHD films from the 50s and 60s. So yes, we will have FULLHD Michael Jackson videos soon and even MUCH HIGHER resolutions when the digital standards are up to it.

Edit: Just to be more honest to real applications:
35mm movies are in real life most often around 12 megapixels/frame. 187mpx is the theoretical maximum.
But, it's still about 6 times higher then FULLHD 1080p.

[Jadentheman]

^Yea usually they do a 4K sample then remaster it to digital 2K-Full HD quality

[ManInTheMonitor]

Slightly OT but...

HMV UK had Moonwalker on DVD with its ORIGNAL ARTWORK for £7 today... think it may be a new (re)-release? Looks better than the 2005 artwork, IMO and there was a gold traingle sticker in the top corner with "Original Artwork" written in the Moonwalker font.

[Skizzorpuppy]

Just to clear this. In full respect.
About 187 MegaPixel would be needed for every frame film if you want every detail possible in a 35mm film. A FULLHD film in 1080p is 1920x1080pixels and that's 2073600px which is 2Megapixels. So the raw 35mm film would be about 93times higher resolution then FULLHD. That's why, my friends, we have FULLHD films from the 50s and 60s. So yes, we will have FULLHD Michael Jackson videos soon and even MUCH HIGHER resolutions when the digital standards are up to it.

Edit: Just to be more honest to real applications:
35mm movies are in real life most often around 12 megapixels/frame. 187mpx is the theoretical maximum.
But, it's still about 6 times higher then FULLHD 1080p.

Yep, you are correct!

I was just trying to keep it simple, because some people don't understand what HD is, and I didn't want to confuse anyone anymore.

Basically if it was shot on film, it can be HD. How much work that needs to go into the project to make it HD is another story. Depends on how it was edited, and how the effects were created as well.

I would also like to make a correction to a previous post of mine. After watching the Another Part of Me concert video the other day, This might have been shot on film! I only watched a good transfer on youtube, so I can't tell for sure, but it may have been film after all. Let's hope it was film!

[dangerous2000watts]

I have a copy of Moonwalker DVD. I don't think it is in good quality.

Is this possible? How can a movie made in the 80's be released on Bluray format

[PCR]

Well... being an ignorant in so many technical details, I just hope this will be release ASAP with the best possible quailty for my poor eyes. I also have Moonwalker on DVD and quality is great for me...but if they are having special no released material... well, I would love seeing that. HD or not... I just want to see it. "Idiot" as it might sound.....

:-)

[Skizzorpuppy]

I have a copy of Moonwalker DVD. I don't think it is in good quality.

Is this possible? How can a movie made in the 80's be released on Bluray format

Moonwalker was filmed on 35mm film, which has a higher resoultion than HD.
When a new proper HD master is made from the original neg, it will be a world of difference.

ANYTHING shot on film and stored properly can have an HD transfer.

[bobmoo79]

Slightly OT but...

HMV UK had Moonwalker on DVD with its ORIGNAL ARTWORK for £7 today... think it may be a new (re)-release? Looks better than the 2005 artwork, IMO and there was a gold traingle sticker in the top corner with "Original Artwork" written in the Moonwalker font.


Yes, this is exclusive to HMV and was released on 2nd November. Damn, I only just bought the normal DVD version! Maybe I'll spend £4.99 for the original cover version, but I'm not sure yet.

[MJFocus]

Moonwakler is very nice
Hoping to have the BD

[Remington Steele]

Joe Jackson has ruined the word "Blu-Ray" for me - FOREVER.


I don't get it - how do you mean?

BTW will it released July 7th or in March? (someone told me March in another thread)

[Sophielo]

Amazing, I hope the same is for the UK too! I really need to replace my battered VHS copy of Moonwalker. This is awesome and cant wait to see all the extras!

[dreamon]

Bluray will be released on May 31 in UK ;)
it's announced on releaselists.com

[azza]

Slightly OT but...

HMV UK had Moonwalker on DVD with its ORIGNAL ARTWORK for £7 today... think it may be a new (re)-release? Looks better than the 2005 artwork, IMO and there was a gold traingle sticker in the top corner with "Original Artwork" written in the Moonwalker font.

Got this from Tesco a few nights ago for 4.97 euros & yes,the original artwork is so much nicer than the 2005 artwork.Good value for 4.97.

[Arabian Knight]

Bluray will be released on May 31 in UK ;)
it's announced on releaselists.com

Thanks for the update :)

[souldreamer7]

I'm still hoping for a USA DVD/Blu Ray release

me too..

[jahangir79]

it is already available to preorder at hmv.com for £9.99
it is a hmv exclusive scheduled for 31.05.10

[MJJHistoryTour]

pleas link :D

[Memefan]

I am hoping the US & Canada will also get it. My VHS is ruined....and I was hoping to buy the DVD this christmas but it was sold out everywhere.

[ManInTheMonitor]

it is already available to preorder at hmv.com for £9.99
it is a hmv exclusive scheduled for 31.05.10

Thanks for the info - just went there and pre-ordered :) What a bargain for a Blu-ray!

Here's the link: http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

[Remington Steele]

What does "Exclusive" exactly mean in this case? Is the UK BD only available at HMV??

[mjbunny]

Yay!!!!!!!!!! Still don't have a blu-ray player, but yay nonetheless! :)

[jahangir79]

the more Blurays such as this is it and moonwalker,are bought the more chance of even more MJ goodies being made available in hidef. Just imagine the bad concert in 1080p and lossless audio.OMG.

[StaceyMJ]

Thanks for the info - just went there and pre-ordered :) What a bargain for a Blu-ray!

Here's the link: http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

Thanks for that! Think I will have to pre order it. :D

[Moonwalker777]

Joe Jackson has ruined the word "Blu-Ray" for me - FOREVER.

Thanks, Joe.

Someone please explain this. Thanks.

[jahangir79]

Thanks for the info - just went there and pre-ordered :) What a bargain for a Blu-ray!

Here's the link: http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

yes a fab price
preorder blu rays are generally not that cheap!

[FateX]

Wonder if its negative that the price is so low? Then they havent used a lot of time on making it perfect, like Michael would have wanted.

[ManInTheMonitor]

Wonder if its negative that the price is so low? Then they havent used a lot of time on making it perfect, like Michael would have wanted.

I can see why you'd fear that (indeed I paid more than that for the 2005 DVD upon its release), but surely a budget Blu-ray is a contradiction? The sole point of upgrading to Blu is that it is superior to DVD - if Warners haven't put the restoration work in, especially at a time when everything MJ-related will be scrutinised by a larger fanbase than ever before, then they will be in for much criticism.

Time will tell.

[Superstition]

What is so difficult about throwing this on a DVD or Blu-Ray and putting it in American stores?

[DJ_OXyGeNe_8]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Michael-Jacksons-Moonwalker-Blu-ray-Jackson/dp/B0030A0ZD4

[PCR]

good!!
I have in on DVD and the quality is great.
Does anybody know if there are any really new features in this Blue Ray?
Any behind the scenes or something?
I hope it will be much more than the DVD, otherwise, there is no much point in buying it again (aside from quality, yeah). I hate the mess with the so many different versions of TII.....
:no:

[Dangerous Incorporated]

I have to laugh at this being released on the 7/7. A bit depressing that it will be the 1st yr anniv. of the memorial.

[lom kit]

It's getting UK release on May 31, 2010

http://www.releaselists.com/BLURAYInternational.html

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Even better!

[RockWithMichael4eva]

joe jackson has ruined the word "blu-ray" for me - forever.

Thanks, joe.

goooooooooooo joeeeeeeeee!

[Remington Steele]

It's getting UK release on May 31, 2010

http://www.releaselists.com/BLURAYInternational.html

HMV even says May 3rd.

[Nitro89]

Kept my eye on this for some time, can't wait

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

[mjmirror]

Woah. How amazing would that be to watch Moonwalker in a really high quality!

Really need to get a Blu-Ray player...

[mjcy]

finally!

[Memefan]

What about us in America?

Still hanging on to my 1991 VHS...even though we no longer have a VCR.

[mjbaybee]

OH WHATTT!!!
will this be available in north america ?
im dying to have it! i have the bootleg version :( and it suckss

[hplusf]

Let's hope they start re-releasing everything on blu-ray, I'd love Ghosts and The legend continues :)

[StaceyMJ]

Yes! I've been waiting for this. :D

[Formula]

Oh yay!!!

Moonwalker in blu ray. The full Smooth Criminal video in blu ray! Wohoo!!!

[MJstarlight]

Thats great!!

[ivy]

What about us in America?

I second this. "They don't care about us" :cheeky: so unfair.

[Dangerous21]

ya, any US info?? i want this! amazon doesn't have it up

[StaceyMJ]

Do blu rays have regions like DVD's?

[mookylicious]

Do blu rays have regions like DVD's?
Yes. I bought the american This Is It Blu-ray and it was unreadable on my ps3...
So happy. lol
I'm wishing that it will be an international release... We'll see.

[je57]

Yes. I bought the american This Is It Blu-ray and it was unreadable on my ps3...
So happy. lol
I'm wishing that it will be an international release... We'll see.


http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79034&highlight=moonwalker+france

:)

[IMWhizzle]

OMG! I really like the new artwork.. So fresh! :D

[mookylicious]

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79034&highlight=moonwalker+france :)
I did saw this topic but I doubt about the date cause it's an old information.
I searched on french sites on they don't announce this release yet.
I saw on a website that the UK release will be an ABC Region.
What's a region ABC ?

Does it means that it will be readable on all ps3 (as the Beyonce's Blu-Ray of I Am Yours) ?
This will solve all problems... :)

[Guilldu60]

I'm not sure, but it seems to me that a region ABC is aregion compatible with all the Blu-Ray players. I'm not sure at all.
The cover looks cool, but one more time different that the original poster of Moonwalker. Too bad.

PS: Sorry for my bad English, I'm French!

[souldreamer7]

I second this. "They don't care about us" :cheeky: so unfair.

I thrid this as well as Ghosts and Captain EO. I've been waiting forever in the USA for this.

[truluv]

*omg* just the thought of come together in bluray makes me faint:D

[Hess]

Great news.

Can't wait for Moonwalker i HD quality!

[ManInTheMonitor]

Have had this on pre-order for some time now, still can't believe it's only £9.99 for a blu-ray!!

Release date seems to differ depending on store. HMV say May 5th (a wednesday??!!), Play.com say 3rd June (a thursday) - my guess is it'll be neither of those, lol.

Hopefully we'll get some news on any "special features" soon (fingers crossed it'll have the making of at least...)

I was convinced they'd use the silhouette blue-toned DVD cover for this release, so I'm pleased we have a new cover, though it seems suspiciously similar to the original design, and begs the question: why didn't they just still with the original poster art?

[Sophielo]

Keep seeing the DVD for only £6.99 in HMV but for only £9.99 I'll definitely be getting the Blu Ray. Just need the Blu Ray player now!

[PCR]

Hopefully we'll get some news on any "special features" soon (fingers crossed it'll have the making of at least...)


Yes!!!! Please, please!!!! :wild::wild::wild::wild::wild:

[hamster]

wow this is cool im gonna get it and sit it with the this is it disc... until i get a blue ray player haha!!

why cant we get Ghosts on DVD??!!?? my videos of it are so old and the sound has gone.

PLEASE someone release Ghosts on dvd!

[WiseGuy]

I Doubt They Will Release This On The Date They Said. But Who Knows. I Like The Cover Of It. But I Also Doubt This Will Be Released In U.S.



http://www3.hmv.co.uk/hmv/Large_Images/HMVVIDEO/1000121775.JPG

[mjbaybee]

*omg* just the thought of come together in bluray makes me faint:D

omg ur right seeing come together on HD would be heaven!!! :angel:
http://i25.tinypic.com/vz8ds.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2h6t7hf.jpg

:dropdead: :jumpy:

[White Shadow]

I contacted Warner regarding this release for a North American release date. They said they are unable to comment on specific titles, and to just keep watching the press releases.

If anyone knows how to get in touch with Frank Dileo, we could have a better chance since he was the producer.

[januska]

Really looking forward to this :wild:
My VHS is so crappy it almost makes my eyes hurt when watching it :blink:
Just have to consider buying a Blu-Ray player and a new tv as well..

[souldreamer7]

Where can I request release of DVD & BluRay for the USA? :(

[mookylicious]

I had the opportunity to see Moonwalker in HD quality in a french theater (called "Le Grand Rex), on a special event for the premiere of The Michael Jackson's This Is It french release.
Frankly, it's too good to discover this masterpiece again in HD quality on a big screen.
I can't wait to have the Blu-Ray !!!

[ForeverBeInPeaceMichael]

Wow, can't wait. :wild:

I dig that movie. MOONWALKER is my life :wub:

[souldreamer7]

I Doubt They Will Release This On The Date They Said. But Who Knows. I Like The Cover Of It. But I Also Doubt This Will Be Released In U.S.



http://www3.hmv.co.uk/hmv/Large_Images/HMVVIDEO/1000121775.JPG

For Real? It will be released int he USA? OMG!!!:wild: can i have a link to order?

[WiseGuy]

For Real? It will be released int he USA? OMG!!!:wild: can i have a link to order?

lol I said I doubt it will be released in U.S.

[souldreamer7]

guess i got my hopes too high bloody money machines. I have my VHS & my Bootlegs I guess europe & UK is a money target... so THEY think the world would pay for this.. get it right. just like frank messed the moonwalker up for usa fans in the theater back in the day all he seen was dollar signs

[Nar]

Of course theres gotta be a U.S.A release! Come on, they're releasing insignificant movies in Blue Ray in the U.S. no one cares about. Surely they'd release this great classic. Especially following up the This Is It success.
My dream is to have this in blue ray along with Captain EO by Disney someday. :)
Keep your hopes up with me Tam! :)

[Eric]

It's hard to beleive thwy would consider releasing Moonwalker in the USA on Blu-Ray when it's not even released on DVD.

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

They need to release Moonwalker on DVD and Blu-Ray here in the U.S. After all the money that This Is It generated in the theatres and on home media, they should do the same for Michael's video back catalogue. If all these new projects I hear being announced are truely being agreed upon, at least they should think about releasing the videos and movies as well.

[Prometheus77]

Well, knowing Sony they probably just slap a VHS-quality copy on a BluRay!

[This Is It]

Omfg!

[Nar]

if U.S. demands are strong enough, I don't see why not. What I would like to know however is, who is in charge of Moonwalker? Warner?
And does Sony have any rights to it?

I have a bootleg copy of Moonwalker. And it dont look like it came from no VHS tape. Looks clean and digital on my screen. :)
I thought they did release it on dvd. Was it released on DVD anywhere else?

[MJkana]

OMG!!
Please release Moon Wlker in other country too!!
And I hope that release Ghost next!

[StaceyMJ]

if U.S. demands are strong enough, I don't see why not. What I would like to know however is, who is in charge of Moonwalker? Warner?
And does Sony have any rights to it?

I have a bootleg copy of Moonwalker. And it dont look like it came from no VHS tape. Looks clean and digital on my screen. :)
I thought they did release it on dvd. Was it released on DVD anywhere else?

You can get it in the UK on DVD, I think you can pretty much get it everywhere except the US. :unsure:

[IMWhizzle]

Well, knowing Sony they probably just slap a VHS-quality copy on a BluRay!

To make you feel more comfortable, Sony has a litte to zero to do with this. Warner Brothers is the owner of the copyright of this motion picture. Sony only owns the music used in that movie. So trust me, WB has done a great job remastering the classics on Blu-Ray.. They will do that with Moonwalker too.

[Nitro89]

Well, knowing Sony they probably just slap a VHS-quality copy on a BluRay!

probably, could explain the price but I hope they don't, there will be a review of it on a blu-ray before had so i'll check it out.

[Cinnamon234]

Well that's wonderful for all the international fans. I wish they would release this in the U.S. as well.

MJ's record company or whoever is involved in this sometimes acts like there's no fanbase for him here and that's just not true. They always forget about his fans here. "This Is It" the dvd and the album have both done very well in America. They need to release this in America too for the U.S. fans. I guarantee it will sell well.

Even people who aren't big MJ fans seem to like "Moonwalker". I know it'll sell well.

[Prometheus77]

To make you feel more comfortable, Sony has a litte to zero to do with this. Warner Brothers is the owner of the copyright of this motion picture. Sony only owns the music used in that movie. So trust me, WB has done a great job remastering the classics on Blu-Ray.. They will do that with Moonwalker too.

Yeah, I know... thought about that after posting... Lorimar Pictures did the movie... but anyway... I wasn't too impressed with the DVD, with it being stereo, fullscreen and all, so I doubt there will be much improvement on the BR... hope I'm wrong though! I always hoped that there would be the 2-Disc Special Edition treatment with extensive making-of, retrospective, deleted scenes and Michael's audiocommentary.... well, that won't happen! :(

[CaptainEoLove85]

USA should follow next. I want a DVD for this so bad. :( I made up a DVD for it, but it's really crappy.

[ivy]

I believe that there's a Korean DVD version that can play in USA as well.

Korean release (region 1/3/4, NTSC). DVD-5 (single sided, single layer) encoded at 1.37:1 (fullscreen) and Dolby 2.0 english audio (and a number of different subtitle options), 93 minute runtime.

But apparently people aren't quite happy with the picture quality they state it is too dark. How is the picture quality in the UK DVD version?

If the picture quality is bad. I would wait and hope for BR.

[Sophielo]

I believe that there's a Korean DVD version that can play in USA as well.

Korean release (region 1/3/4, NTSC). DVD-5 (single sided, single layer) encoded at 1.37:1 (fullscreen) and Dolby 2.0 english audio (and a number of different subtitle options), 93 minute runtime.

But apparently people aren't quite happy with the picture quality they state it is too dark. How is the picture quality in the UK DVD version?

If the picture quality is bad. I would wait and hope for BR.

I'm happy with the picture quality on the UK version but obviously the Blu Ray will have much better picture quality.

[souldreamer7]

USA should follow next. I want a DVD for this so bad. :( I made up a DVD for it, but it's really crappy.

I feel your pain along with many other Michael Jackson fans in the USA & Canada... :( I submitted many requests to 'the powers that be' lately in requards to this concerning releasing on DVD & BluRay as well as Ghosts and others. I won't quit either. It is only fair for All of Michael's fans to be able to view his art in the family livingroom legally.

[BunnyHead]

Aww come on I need the US version :(

[IMWhizzle]

Yeah, I know... thought about that after posting... Lorimar Pictures did the movie... but anyway... I wasn't too impressed with the DVD, with it being stereo, fullscreen and all, so I doubt there will be much improvement on the BR... hope I'm wrong though! I always hoped that there would be the 2-Disc Special Edition treatment with extensive making-of, retrospective, deleted scenes and Michael's audiocommentary.... well, that won't happen! :(

As we speak they are scanning the original 4k-master of the film (35mm). They will release it in it's original aspect ratio. Even the movie "The Elephant Man" was released on Blu-Ray on it's original aspect ratio, with Dolby True HD.

As for the extra's. There will be an extended claymation scene in it.

[Hess]

Even non-fans of Michael Jackson will be caught up in the exuberance and virtuosity of MOONWALKER. This 84-minute music video casts The Gloved One as host of a futuristic TV special. Highlights include an extended Claymation sequence and a 3-D vignette put together by the Disney Company. The most endearing aspect of MOONWALKER is Jackson's willingness to poke fun at his own tabloid-headline image.


- What 3D is that ??

[livelifeoffthewall]

I doubt the Blu Ray quality will be that good as it wouldn't have been filmed in HD. Think it'll just be upscaled, not sure though :)

[michaelking4ever]

Michael in blu - ray as simply super

[jahangir79]

As we speak they are scanning the original 4k-master of the film (35mm). They will release it in it's original aspect ratio. Even the movie "The Elephant Man" was released on Blu-Ray on it's original aspect ratio, with Dolby True HD.

As for the extra's. There will be an extended claymation scene in it.

hi

where did you get this info from regarding the 4k scan?

[MaxJaxon]

Cool! Released on my Birthday too!

[Eric]

I doubt the Blu Ray quality will be that good as it wouldn't have been filmed in HD. Think it'll just be upscaled, not sure though :)
I think you can have an HD copy of almost anything that was shot on standard film. That's why we get HD versions of movies that were made so long ago. Film has more than enough information on it to create an HD copy.

[MJJ:G.O.A.T]

The cover art looks great. I'd love for Moonwalker to come out on blu-ray for U.S. fans. I guess we just have to wait. Amazon.com has nothing but DVD versions, not even a blu-ray version which says 'Notify me when this becomes available.' :sigh:

[FateX]

But isnt all blu-ray players region free? Or are you not allowed to order at all when you are from the US?

[Speechless_UK]

As long as they have the original 35mm - a HD version can be made...
Where did you find out about the scan IMWhizzle (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/member.php?u=10882)?

[mier]

Like most dvd-players, you can also make blu-ray players region-free:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

You put in a certain code on your remote control and you're dvd/blu-ray player is region free.
You can also buy the European moonwalker dvd and convert it to a region free disc with dvd-shrink.
The original dvd is big enough to fit on a regular blank dvd so you won't have any loss of quality.

The eu version is about 5 euro's (less than 5 dollars).

[brunomj]

yessssssss this is great, i allready have the VHS and the DVD but the Blu-ray is going to be awsome:D

[eStyle]

Kept my eye on this for some time, can't wait

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

Awesome news, definitely gonna get it!!!
Thanks!

[White Shadow]

Before Warner, Sony had some kind of distribution rights to Moonwalker in the US. The VHS cassettes said on the side of them.

In regard to the Amazon.com Moonwalker DVDs you see, they are all bootlegs, or official copies from other parts of the world.

[brunomj]

Before Warner, Sony had some kind of distribution rights to Moonwalker in the US. The VHS cassettes said on the side of them.

In regard to the Amazon.com Moonwalker DVDs you see, they are all bootlegs, or official copies from other parts of the world.

well i have 2 Dvd`s of the Moonwalker movie, one that i bought in Spain and another that i bought here in Portugal and they are both Officcial from Warner Bros.

[Kapital77]

NEWS:

The Blu-ray will contain DTS HD MASTER AUDIO sound. :angel:

The ratio aspect of the movie will be: 1.85:1 (No black bands). :)

Only 1 extra: trailer of the movie.

[Droid]

NEWS:

The Blu-ray will contain DTS HD MASTER AUDIO sound. :angel:

The ratio aspect of the movie will be: 1.85:1 (No black bands). :)

Only 1 extra: trailer of the movie.

oh, no extras? i wold like to see at least the making of as a bonus :(
if they were to keep the original aspect ratio, there will be small black bars (if you view it on a 16:9 screen) :).hope they keep the original aspect ratio and dont crop it to 16:9
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5563/17051336.png

[Calotte12]

Wow great news!

[Droid]

http://images.blu-ray.com/movies/covers/10513_front.jpg

[Dangerous21]

what about US?

[Speechless_UK]

Kapital77 - where did you get this info from??

So excited for this release!

[mj74]

Maybe if everyone in the US send Warner Bros a question about it being released in the US,they will see that there is a demand for it here.

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/customer_service.html

I just sent mine. :)

[Guilldu60]

oh, no extras? i wold like to see at least the making of as a bonus :(
if they were to keep the original aspect ratio, there will be small black bars (if you view it on a 16:9 screen) :).hope they keep the original aspect ratio and dont crop it to 16:9
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5563/17051336.png

Maybe the movie was cropped for the DVD. Maybe the movie is really in 16:9, and has been cropped in 4:3 for the DVD. I hope.

Thanks for the cover which is cool.

PS: I'm French, so sorry for my bad English.

[raz2911]

http://images.blu-ray.com/movies/covers/10513_front.jpg

:woohoo: that looks amazing !!! I have the lazer disc of moonwalker (with original artwork), the DVD(different artwork) and I can't wait to get this to add to the collection !!! :woohoo:

[MusicMan26]

I wonder why they keep changing the logo. I like it though.

[PCR]

I like the "new" mix of artwork and I really love the BR technology.
But to have only the trailer as the "additional feature".... that just like buying another greatest hits with one demo :(

Whatever... I like it. Thanks for the updates!!

[Beccabubbles]

I like the new look - I just wish I could afford to have blu ray....... one day I hope xxx

[Kapital77]

Kapital77 - where did you get this info from??

So excited for this release!

The news are from a deutchland Blu-ray news web page. The info is for the deutchland release. I don´t know if the Uk release will be different with more extras.

This is the info that i have:

Kaufstart: 18.06.201

Originaltitel: Moonwalker
Genre: Musik, Fantasy, Abenteuer, Familie
Land: USA Jahr: 1988

Regie: Jerry Kramer, Jim Blashfield, Colin Chilvers
Produktion: Dennis E. Jones, Jerry Kramer, Paul Diener
Drehbuch: David Newman
Darsteller (u.a.): Michael Jackson, Joe Pesci, Sean Lennon, Brandon Quintin Adams
Kamera: Thomas E. Ackerman, Robert E. Collins, Frederick Elmes, John Hora, Crescenzo Notarile
Musik: Bruce Broughton, Ladysmith Black Mambazo

Bildformat: 1080p, 1,85:1

Audio:

Deutsch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Englisch: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

Französisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Italienisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Katalanisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Russisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Untertitel: Deutsch, Französisch, Bulgarisch, Dänisch, Finnisch, Hebräisch, Isländisch, Katalanisch, Norwegisch, Portugiesisch, Rumänisch, Russisch, Schwedisch, Slowakisch, Tschechisch

Laufzeit: ca. 93 Min.

Region: A, B, C

Medium: 1x BD

Verpackung: Blu-ray

Bonusmaterial: Trailer
__________________


http://www.zehnachtzig.de/blu-ray-news/weitere-warner-blu-ray-neuheiten-im-juni-ein-verrucktes-paar-frantic-moonwalker-und-mehr

[Sophielo]

Oooooh me wants :) Kinda need a Blu Ray player though! To have it in Blu Ray quality will be just amazing. Disapointed at the lack of extras but never mind!

[MJRemixed]

How can they say the trailer is a bonus? Its already available on the dvd...

[The Lost Child]

How can they say the trailer is a bonus? Its already available on the dvd...
but also on dvd it was a bonus ;)
I recently bought blu-ray player to see This Is Is in HQ, but it was to heartbreaking to see, soo... I can't wait to get the Moonwalker on BR :)
Thank you for all those infos here :)

[IMWhizzle]

As long as they have the original 35mm - a HD version can be made...
Where did you find out about the scan IMWhizzle (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/member.php?u=10882)?

By now you know.. :D

[hiroshi]

I buy it at the very beginning if released in Japan!

[MJkana]

The news are from a deutchland Blu-ray news web page. The info is for the deutchland release. I don´t know if the Uk release will be different with more extras.

This is the info that i have:

Kaufstart: 18.06.201

Originaltitel: Moonwalker
Genre: Musik, Fantasy, Abenteuer, Familie
Land: USA Jahr: 1988

Regie: Jerry Kramer, Jim Blashfield, Colin Chilvers
Produktion: Dennis E. Jones, Jerry Kramer, Paul Diener
Drehbuch: David Newman
Darsteller (u.a.): Michael Jackson, Joe Pesci, Sean Lennon, Brandon Quintin Adams
Kamera: Thomas E. Ackerman, Robert E. Collins, Frederick Elmes, John Hora, Crescenzo Notarile
Musik: Bruce Broughton, Ladysmith Black Mambazo

Bildformat: 1080p, 1,85:1

Audio:

Deutsch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Englisch: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

Französisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Italienisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Katalanisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Russisch: Dolby Digital 2.0

Untertitel: Deutsch, Französisch, Bulgarisch, Dänisch, Finnisch, Hebräisch, Isländisch, Katalanisch, Norwegisch, Portugiesisch, Rumänisch, Russisch, Schwedisch, Slowakisch, Tschechisch

Laufzeit: ca. 93 Min.

Region: A, B, C

Medium: 1x BD

Verpackung: Blu-ray

Bonusmaterial: Trailer
__________________


http://www.zehnachtzig.de/blu-ray-news/weitere-warner-blu-ray-neuheiten-im-juni-ein-verrucktes-paar-frantic-moonwalker-und-mehr

Thank you for information.
Ohhhh.... but I live in Japan.
Is not this blue-ray released in japan ?
It's really too bad.

[flee]

Fantastic!!!...but would loooovvveeee Ghosts to come out too!!! That would be bloomin brilliant!

:)

[Jacob_TheBoss_Angle]

Yay! I love blu-ray! And Michael makes it even better! :D

[MJ4LF]

It was filmed at 1.85 : 1 and so there will be small black bars on top and bottom if they keep original AR on the disc. I would really hate to see it 'zoomed' to 1.78 : 1 (16x9) :(
For those with 'square' TV (4x3) ... what am I talking about ... who buys a Blu-ray disc and plays on a standard TV :lol: but if you do, there will be black pillars on all sides no matter what AR unless Fullscreen of course ...

[Skizzorpuppy]

It was filmed at 1.85 : 1 and so there will be small black bars on top and bottom if they keep original AR on the disc. I would really hate to see it 'zoomed' to 1.78 : 1 (16x9) :(


If they frame it for 1.78:1 they won't be zooming in, they will be opening it up a little. Moonwalker wasn't filmed hardmatted (except for the leave me alone video which was created optically because of the special effects.) Generally 1.85:1 are shot on the full 1.33:1 film and framed for 1.85:1, leaving extra info on the top and bottom. The previous VHS/ Laserdisc (and dvds from the laserdisc master) have been full screen, those transfers were not Pan/Scan they were full frame versions that opened the matts from the original neg.

With that said, common practice is to make 1.78:1 transfers from 1.85:1 films (when the were not shot hard matted). But the good news is your Tv's overscan will probably cover that little bit of extra frame, so no need to worry :o)

[MJ4LF]

I wasn't saying that it will be ... more of I hope they don't. I understand all the AR stuff. I have just seen some films done improperly (zoomed) and just hope it doesn't happen to this one.
It's almost like sometimes they allow amateurs using simple PC software to create DVDs :(

[barok232]

There is no way something will go wrong with this release. Warner always do their best and that is known from their Dvd releases as well

[MJ4LF]

They were also known for those cheap piece of crap snap cases :lol:

[mjgrl4ever]

Maybe if everyone in the US send Warner Bros a question about it being released in the US,they will see that there is a demand for it here.

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/customer_service.html

I just sent mine. :)

I just sent them a message too:) I really hope they release Moonwalker in the US too.

[MusicMan26]

I noticed that the description said 5.1 for the audio. I wonder if they actually remixed the songs in true 5.1 like on the Dangerous and HIStory DVDs. I hope so.

If they went through the trouble to do that then I would think that it will get released here in the U.S eventually.

[mjgrl4ever]

I noticed that the description said 5.1 for the audio. I wonder if they actually remixed the songs in true 5.1 like on the Dangerous and HIStory DVDs. I hope so.

If they went through the trouble to do that then I would think that it will get released here in the U.S eventually.

I really do hope so.

[MJkana]

Today, I knew that this blue-ray is released in Japan too!
HD 1080p
sound : original english 5.1ch dts-HDMA

Yheee!
I'm glad to know it!
It's wonderful!!

[Sophielo]

Hmmmm. Wondering if anyone will get me a Blu Ray player for my birthday next week lol!

[Memefan]

Today, I knew that this blue-ray is released in Japan too!
HD 1080p
sound : original english 5.1ch dts-HDMA

Yheee!
I'm glad to know it!
It's wonderful!!

I think it is shameful they are not releasing it in North America.

My Moonwalker copy (a VHS) dates back to 1991 when Dangerous came out...we don't even own a VCR anymore.

[MJkana]

Ohhh...That's too bad!
His production should be released in many country.
There are huge fans around the world!

[Eric]

I think it is shameful they are not releasing it in North America.

My Moonwalker copy (a VHS) dates back to 1991 when Dangerous came out...we don't even own a VCR anymore.
I'm in the same boat as you! I have the Moonwalker VHS, but no VCR to play it on.

[Ramzy]

Also Available on Amazon : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Michael-Jacksons-Moonwalker-Blu-ray-Jackson/dp/B0030A0ZD4/ref=pd_bxgy_d_h__img_a

I hope they release it in the rest of europe !!!

[Ramzy]

Also available on Amazon : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Michael-Jacksons-Moonwalker-Blu-ray-Jackson/dp/B0030A0ZD4/ref=pd_bxgy_d_h__img_a

[Moonwalker.Fan]

There was a plan for releasing Moonwalker in Blue-Ray in May.
The date was postponed on June 2 in Japan, June 3 in UK and June 9 in France.

On June 25, only in Japan there will be available a special edition of Moonwalker BR with a t-shirt
http://i42.tinypic.com/vkupk.jpg

[GinnyJackson]

is this going to be released in the USA also?
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[mjbaybee]

they better release this in north america !!!!!!

[Moonwalker.Fan]

More here in this thread - Michael Jackson Moonwalker Blu-Ray 5th May 2010 (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88751&page=7)
and here - MOONWALKER on Blu-ray 7 July (France) (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79034&page=5)

[Sophielo]

All Moonwalker Blu Ray threads merged :)

[ManInTheMonitor]

There was a plan for releasing Moonwalker in Blue-Ray in May.
The date was postponed on June 2 in Japan, June 3 in UK and June 9 in France.

On June 25, only in Japan there will be available a special edition of Moonwalker BR with a t-shit
http://i42.tinypic.com/vkupk.jpg

It's not a devastatingly long delay - had it been pushed back by months I'd have been furious, lol.

I like that t-shirt, pity it's Japan only, but I wounder why that edition is released 3 weeks later and not day-and-date with the standard blu-ray? It's not like they need more time as they've already put it back, so it's clearly intentional. Just seems like an odd strategy (was similarly perplexed by the ridiculous 3 week gap between the 1 and 3 disk UK King of Pop albums).

[PoP]

they better release this in north america !!!!!!

I agree, if they don't release it in North America, I'm gonna be so damn pissed off. Us North Americans never gotten what we want.

[Sophielo]

Damn I really want that t-shirt! Love that cover though, oooooh so tempted :)

[Hess]

That t-shirt i ACE !!

[GinnyJackson]

if they dont we can always go to amazon and buy it.... but would it also come with the shirt?
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[raz2911]

if they dont we can always go to amazon and buy it.... but would it also come with the shirt?
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in Japan only :(, I may have to but the Japan version for that shirt it looks awsome !!

[Kapital77]

In the HMV UK store there is no change in the release date:

Release date: 03-05-2010:angel:

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

I don´t know if they will change the release date.

[Hess]

Just reciever A Black Gospel Tribute to Michael Jackson King of Pop, it's great.

Black gospel music is great. So much happiness. I can see MJ hear the music and smile wide.

[James Dee]

In the HMV UK store there is no change in the release date:

Release date: 03-05-2010:angel:

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

I don´t know if they will change the release date.

Maybe that's why it says "exclusive" on HMV's site - because it's out exclusively to them a month before any other retailer.

[8701girl]

Stuff the blu ray......I WANT THE T_SHIRT! :wild:

[Anth0ny]

Just a second... Japan Blu Rays are "region A", correct? Region A is the same region as North America, meaning it'll be compatible with my PS3?

*prays*

[Screamin]

this bluray edition should have some decent extra's like maybe the full performance of man in the mirror from the intro ?
also how about the making of which is widely availbel on utube anyways ?

[IMWhizzle]

this bluray edition should have some decent extra's like maybe the full performance of man in the mirror from the intro ?
also how about the making of which is widely availbel on utube anyways ?

Agree, that would be so awesome.. I saw the making of on youtube and it was very entertaining. 2 Bad that they won't include this on the disc though..

[StaceyMJ]

I need that Tshirt! Damn, that looks good! :D

[Reeta]

Was this been posted yet?

lzt18cD4BVo

[Memefan]

Was this been posted yet?

lzt18cD4BVo

Again, I ask the question: What about us???

[Raiden]

I just got Blu Ray and This is it BD, and now we'll have Moonwalker, yeah baby.

[mjbaybee]

was this been posted yet?

lzt18cd4bvo

i want this so bad!!!!!!!!!

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Moonwalker on Blu Ray has already been released in Manila:
1. Audio is SUPERB. You can blast it all you want and the sound is super crisp and clear. It says DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO ENGLISH 5.1, its like TII BD in sound quality--really really awesome.
2. Picture Quality says 1080p, FULL SCREEN. You can literally see all of Michael's PORES and FACIAL HAIR. Enough said :wub:
3. The opening sequences seem to be longer on the BD compared to the DVD but I will have to watch the DVD again today to make sure.
4. The only extra feature is the trailer, which is also on the DVD version.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4517.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4518.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4519.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4520.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4525.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4527.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4529.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4531.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4535.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4537.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4541.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4544.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4547.jpg

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Moonwalker on Blu Ray has already been released in Manila:
1. Audio is SUPERB. You can blast it all you want and the sound is super crisp and clear. It says DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO ENGLISH 5.1, its like TII BD in sound quality--really really awesome.
2. Picture Quality says 1080p, FULL SCREEN. You can literally see all of Michael's PORES and FACIAL HAIR. Enough said :scorerer:
3. The opening sequences seem to be longer on the BD compared to the DVD but I will have to watch the DVD again today to make sure.
4. The only extra feature is the trailer, which is also on the DVD version.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4517.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4518.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4519.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4520.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4525.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4527.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4529.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4531.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4535.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4537.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4541.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4544.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4547.jpg

[mjbaybee]

Moonwalker on Blu Ray has already been released in Manila:

IM EXTREMELY JEALOUS!
the quality looks amazing!
i wish they would release this in north america already! so not fair :(

[exim]

can't wait. just pre-ordered via HMV - they always seem to ship early, so hopfully they will again.

[PCR]

Great to hear about such great quality. BRs really rock, I love my TII BR :wub:

But too sad to confirm there is nothing else added; no extras, no making of, nothing. Whatever... I would love to get my copy too, I guess, thought I really see no great point since I already have the DVD :mello:

[Chris J]

Wow, even the photos of the TV showing the Blu-Ray look incredible haha!

[PCR]

Was this been posted yet?

lzt18cD4BVo

Me so liked this add, thanks!!!!
:wild:

(but mmmm.... nothing really new in this release. A bit dissapointing, I'd say :mello:)

[MusicMan26]

Nice! Do you have the abilty to extract the various channels of the 5.1 mix? I'm curious to know how they mixed it.

[Memefan]

Ok...what do we, north americans, have to do to have the same products as folks overseas ?

Why are we being treated like second-class fans?

[marc_vivien]

commercial here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzt18cD4BVo

[Eric]

If this was coming out in North America, my guess is we would have heard about it by now. I don't think we will ever get Moonwalker on DVD.

[CaptainEoLove85]

Was this been posted yet?

lzt18cD4BVo

I want a freakin' blu-ray, photo book, and shirt. :weeping:

[PCR]

If this was coming out in North America, my guess is we would have heard about it by now. I don't think we will ever get Moonwalker on DVD.

What?
Why so?
You can get it at Amazon... even with the original art...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Y5Rvwo5tL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0033TJATW/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd)

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-Moonwalker-NTSC-Region/dp/B0033TJATW/ref=pd_sim_b_36

and here

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jackson-MOONWALKER-English-Packaging/dp/B0035KESBE/ref=pd_sim_v_5

and here

http://www.amazon.com/MOONWALKER-DVD-NTSC-Michael-Jackson/dp/B002L5810I/ref=pd_sim_v_4

Or at CD Universe (more expensive, and blue cover)

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8042280&style=movie

And you can always buy online, as we all non-US fans do. In my country there is hardly a thing to buy, so I use the online shops and no problems :yes: (that is, no problems besides high prices, incredible high shipping rates, slow deliveris, missing parcels... but it eventually works :ermm: )

[PCR]

Ok...what do we, north americans, have to do to have the same products as folks overseas ?

Why are we being treated like second-class fans?

Dear Memefan... sorry, but the answer is simple: you just have to do what we non-us/ non-europe fans do: use the internet and buy online -_-

In my country we hardly ever find one thing of the thousands you have at the USA about Michael. It took me some 4 months just to get a friend to buy the special issue of Ebony magazine and mail it to me, since I was not allowed by Jet, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, none of those, to get it on line.

USA fans have lots and lots and lots of things about Michael. Not to mention European fans. And not to mention Japanese fans!! :wild:

So we, "rest of the world fans" have to get our way ;) Don't be sad!! You can find lots of stuff online, but of course, you have to have the money to pay a lot for shipping and lots of patience to wait of the items to arrive. In my case, is way easier to bring stuff from Europe than from USA.

Moonwalker is available at online stores in the USA too, so don't worry. Try Amazon, CD Universe, etc. Easy to find :better:

Welcome to my world :smilerolleyes: LOL!!! (if you are second hand fans, then what about us?? Kraken Opus has given me great lesson on this matter :ermm:)

(just kidding, eh? no offences intended. You will see you can get this really easily dear, don't worry)

[MJStorm]

Thanks for the photos.

Where is the photo book?

[Sophielo]

There's a photo book as well? Me want very badly!

[azsummergirl]

i want this SO bad! I don't think that north americans will be able to play the Japanese blu ray on our players, even though they're both "region 1" I'm not sure, I heard from a friend that it doesn't work between countries like that. Does anybody know for sure? PLEASE release a version for us!

[jouse.]

Unfortunately...the image has just been cropped! :(

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4525.jpg

DVD: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3118/capture000x.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7467/img4529q.jpg

DVD: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3402/capture001tw.jpg

[Kapital77]

Unfortunately...the image has just been cropped! :(

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-2/96962/IMG_4525.jpg

DVD: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3118/capture000x.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7467/img4529q.jpg

DVD: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3402/capture001tw.jpg

The image was cropped if you compared it with the VHS/DVD. But in the cinema (1988) the movie was also cropped and that was the idea of the director.

The more image of the VHS and DVD is a special feature that was put to adjust the image to the 4:3 of the 80´Tvs.

The Blu-ray release has the same ratio of the first release in cinemas, 1.85:1.

[lom kit]

@Kapital77
When you compare 4:3 with 16:9 version of movies, in the WS there is always less information on top and bottom compared to the 4:3 picture, BUT more visible on the left and right side. And in this case that's not like that. I don't think that anyone can remember, if in cinemas the movie had same visible information like on this blu-ray.
I have to agree with Jouse, the 4:3 full screen was just cropped to 16:9 (1.85:1).

The most importand thing is the picture and audio to be best as possible. I can live with the croping.

[jouse.]

The image was cropped if you compared it with the VHS/DVD. But in the cinema (1988) the movie was also cropped and that was the idea of the director.

The more image of the VHS and DVD is a special feature that was put to adjust the image to the 4:3 of the 80´Tvs.

The Blu-ray release has the same ratio of the first release in cinemas, 1.85:1.

I think you are wrong ;) Most film-cameras are filming in the 4:3 full frame, but use anamorphic picture, the widescreen-picture is then stretched to 4:3 so that you use the whole resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_format

So for the VHS/DVD Release the picture was just zoomed, so that it fit in the full 4:3 Frame, because most people then didn't have 16:9 TVs...So you got information from left and right lost. ;) The Opposite...

[Droid]

i thought it was filmed in 1.85:1 and was cropped down to 4:3 for the dvd

(edited to simulate 1.85:1 recording) (i used paint, so thats not really 1.85:1, but approximative)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3402/capture001tw.jpg

4:3 dvd
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3402/capture001tw.jpg

now i see/hear that maybe the bluray was cropped down from the 4:3 video master source, i hope thats not true, but if it is.... finger down
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7467/img4529q.jpg

[jouse.]

i thought it was filmed in 1.85:1 and was cropped down to 4:3 for the dvd

(edited to simulate 1.85:1 recording) (i used paint, so thats not really 1.85:1, but approximative)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3402/capture001tw.jpg

4:3 dvd
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3402/capture001tw.jpg

now i see/hear that maybe the bluray was cropped down from the 4:3 video master source, i hope thats not true, but if it is.... finger down
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7467/img4529q.jpg

Very right! ;)

I also made a picture to demonstrate it:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4791/refe.jpg

[Kapital77]

I think you are wrong ;) Most film-cameras are filming in the 4:3 full frame, but use anamorphic picture, the widescreen-picture is then stretched to 4:3 so that you use the whole resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_format

So for the VHS/DVD Release the picture was just zoomed, so that it fit in the full 4:3 Frame, because most people then didn't have 16:9 TVs...So you got information from left and right lost. ;) The Opposite...

Not not, Moonwalker was filmed with Super 35 cameras. Also they used Soft Matted with the original 1.33:1 (4:3) to convert it to 1.85:1 in cinemas. When they released Moonwalker in VHS they made a Full framed ratio for the 4:3 tvs using Open Matte. They included the things that the director don´t want to show in the cinema. But in cinemas the movie was proyected with a panoramic format of 1.85:1 cutting image as you see in the Blu-ray.

[jouse.]

Not not, Moonwalker was filmed with Super 35 cameras. Also they used Soft Matted with the original 1.33:1 (4:3) to convert it to 1.85:1 in cinemas. When they released Moonwalker in VHS they made a Full framed ratio for the 4:3 tvs using Open Matte. They included the things that the director don´t want to show in the cinema. But in cinemas the movie was proyected with a panoramic format of 1.85:1 cutting image as you see in the Blu-ray.

Okay, but why are you so sure about that, that MW was filmed with Super-35 Cameras? :) Where did you get that information?

[Kapital77]

So for the VHS/DVD Release the picture was just zoomed, so that it fit in the full 4:3 Frame, because most people then didn't have 16:9 TVs...So you got information from left and right lost. ;) The Opposite...

The image was not zoomed because there was no more image on both sides:

The last year i saw the relealase of Moonwalker in cinemas and it was in 1.85:1, look this capture that i made on the cinema:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040671blu-ray-1.jpg

If you saw the same VHS/DVD capture, you will see that there is a lot of ground in front of the dancers that is innecesary:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040670xxxxx.jpg

If you see this capture of the DVD/VHS you will see a fail, a mistake that the director don´t want to see:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040667zzz.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040668xxxxsss.jpg

This is the cinema version:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040669blu-ray.jpg

CINEMA/BLU-RAY:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/BVZr-gmkKGrHgoadadadaOKjEEjlLmZZQBK.jpg

DVD/VHS:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9274/moonwalker2.jpg

I repeat, there is no more image on both sides. The movie was shot with Super 35 and later was Matted to relealase in movies.

You have to learn about Soft Matte !!!

The director made like in this comparation with the relealase of Air force one in cinema and DVD, look:

CINEMA:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/heroes16/29.gif

DVD:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/heroes16/30.jpg

[Kapital77]

More people that told the same thing:

ok, to be a bit clearer. The PAL dvd is aspect ratio (1:66:1- 4:3) format (meaning, not anamorphic and not widescreen) It's the open matte version. Meaning the black bars are removed to reveal more image top and bottom.
Leave Me Alone video on the dvd is not 16:9. It's aspect ratio 1:78:1 (as it was filmed that way only)
16:9 means anamorphic (pre stretched for a widescreen tv, keeping good quality)



Moonwalker wasn't filmed hardmatted (except for the leave me alone video which was created optically because of the special effects.) Generally 1.85:1 are shot on the full 1.33:1 film and framed for 1.85:1, leaving extra info on the top and bottom. The previous VHS/ Laserdisc (and dvds from the laserdisc master) have been full screen, those transfers were not Pan/Scan they were full frame versions that opened the matts from the original neg.

[jouse.]

The image was not zoomed because there was no more image on both sides:

The last year i saw the relealase of Moonwalker in cinemas and it was in 1.85:1, look this capture that i made on the cinema:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040671blu-ray-1.jpg

If you saw the same VHS/DVD capture, you will see that there is a lot of ground in front of the dancers that is innecesary:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040670xxxxx.jpg

If you see this capture of the DVD/VHS you will see a fail, a mistake that the director don´t want to see:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040667zzz.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040668xxxxsss.jpg

This is the cinema version:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040669blu-ray.jpg

CINEMA/BLU-RAY:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/BVZr-gmkKGrHgoadadadaOKjEEjlLmZZQBK.jpg

DVD/VHS:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9274/moonwalker2.jpg

I repeat, there is no more image on both sides. The movie was shot with Super 35 and later was Matted to relealase in movies.

You have to learn about Soft Matte !!!

The director made like in this comparation with the relealase of Air force one in cinema and DVD, look:

CINEMA:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/heroes16/29.gif

DVD:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c220/heroes16/30.jpg

Okay, i see...thanks for the pictures!! ;)

[Kapital77]

You are welcome !!!. :)

[jouse.]

You are welcome !!!. :)

:) hehe

But I wonder why the director didn't care then about how the movie is presented on TV...Why no black bars on VHS/DVD, if it was the director's intention? Just for not having people mourning? :P

[Droid]

so just to be cleared,if you shoot with a 35mm it has 4:3 aspect ratio, no? if thats true, if you shoot with 35mm, when the film is taken to the cinema is cropped down to cinematic ratio 1.85:1,no?

[barok232]

Like most people here, I thought we would be getting more left/right info. And now it seems we lost some up/down due to cropping. Damn! Let's hope that video and audio quality is good (so worried right now)

Also a question: With up/down cropping does it also mean that the video image also gets zoomed??? If you get my point, cause I find it difficult to explain. I mean, do we still get the resolution we were supposed to get?

[Kapital77]

so just to be cleared,if you shoot with a 35mm it has 4:3 aspect ratio, no? if thats true, if you shoot with 35mm, when the film is taken to the cinema is cropped down to cinematic ratio 1.85:1,no?

Yes, That´s right.

[Kapital77]

:) hehe

But I wonder why the director didn't care then about how the movie is presented on TV...Why no black bars on VHS/DVD, if it was the director's intention? Just for not having people mourning? :P

Because the first VHS version was a special FULL FRAME edition of the movie. Like a special edition of the movie that everyone showed in the cinemas.

The director added the extra image to show more movie than the cinema version. In the movie he couldn´t show more image because he was restricted by the 1.85:1 ratio.

But i really prefer to not see things like this:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040667zzz.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040668xxxxsss.jpg

In the Leave me alone VHS version they had to put black bands because they did not had that extra image to adjust to the 4:3. In the cinema and the Blu-ray the Leave me alone clip is not cropped and did not has black bands like the VHS & DVD, compare:

VHS (with black bands):

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040655da.jpg

Blu-ray & Cinema (not cropped):

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040656dada.jpg

[lom kit]

Movies are always shoot in 4:3 full screen and then the needed aspect ratio is set. But the source 4:3 isn't the same as the result 4:3 for tv.
I expected we would get something like this.
You see that the fullscreen version has more image on top and bottom, less on the sides.
the ws has less on top and bottom, but much more on the sides. And the image is defenetly not zoomed-in for the 4:3 from the ws version.
That's how the differences between fs and ws movies are. The original filmed source 4:3 picture is much bigger, then the 4:3 for tv. So you can get all kind of AR.

MOowalker dvd
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3775/61161242.png

Visionary dvd
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4911/86588060.png

Now some of the SC sceenes that Kapital77 showed do have more image on the sides, but it's way very little.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040671blu-ray-1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/P1040670xxxxx.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/Kapital21/BVZr-gmkKGrHgoadadadaOKjEEjlLmZZQBK.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9274/moonwalker2.jpg

As you can see on that sample here, you can get more from the original 4:3 picture
dvd 4:3
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3383/101dumbocomp666.jpg

the blu-ray is in the cinemas OAR 4:3
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6729/101dumbocompfullbluray.jpg

[Kapital77]

The only thing that i can say is that the Blu-ray ratio is like the movie at cinemas in 1988. Is the same image and the same ratio. The VHS & Dvd was a special version with added frame on the images.

[lom kit]

the problem isn't the AR. It's what the picture includes. What is little more visible in the blu-ray then in the dvd, hapens often,
cause when using different sources for mastering the framing differs a little from release to release.

If the picture is stunning like the dvd was, then we don't have anything to complain.
It's not like you'll pay attention, what's visible on the sides.
Just hope that Michaels head isn't cut to much or his feet in importand sceens.

[IMWhizzle]

Ok, you all got me lost here..

[GOLDSPACESUIT45]

will there be any Advertisement on moonwalker ON TV?

[exim]

So the answer is; don't get rid of your DVD yet.

[Ms.MJ Fan2007]

Yesss oh darn rite because that was my 1st mj mimi movie since I was a baby! but I don't have A blu-ray player yet... I only got a dvd player

[Droid]

just wanned to add this here too, as i wrote this in the 2000wats

As i understand, Moonwalker was shoot on a 35mm film (with 4:3 aspect ratio), but i think it was intended to be shown in 1.85:1 (cinematic ratio)

Here's an example:
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7900/sviewfinder.jpg
This shoot threw a viewfinder shows a 4:3 aspect ratio with an 16:9 rectangle area.
Usually the film director already knows that the movie will be shown in cinemas/tv in 16:9 aspect ratio, so he's focusing more on the 16:9 rectangle area for filming, even tho he shots in 4:3.
After the movie is shoot, the 4:3 film is cropped down to 16:9 aspect ratio.

I think this process was used to film Moonwalker. They shoot it in 4:3, but was intended to be used for 1.85:1 (cinematic)
But when they released the dvd, they used the original 4:3 aspect ratio, instead of cropping the 1.85:1 to 4:3

p.s. this is just my opinion, i could be wrong :)

+ some new min info :)
http://www.blu-ray.com/search/?quicksearch=1&section=movies&keyword=moonwalker
and
http://forum.blu-ray.com/united-kingdom/130338-moonwalker-hmv-exclusive-blu-ray.html

[IMWhizzle]

Man, I was dreaming about this Blu-ray.. I am obsessed with the fact that Smooth Criminal will be in crisp detail!!! :D

[lom kit]

here are examples of how fullscreen and widescreen usually differ from eachother.
Pic 1 & 7 use the complete open matte picture. the rest has adjusted AR, depending what's of importance.



AR is 2,35:1 anamorph

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9863/83824787.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7884/26015571.jpg

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/972/28189785.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8706/77052385.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/66/54504574.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4890/66531940.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3782/50955742.jpg






Now the question is does Moonwalker use the complete open matte picture. I doubt it, as I asume Moonwalker was shoot the same way as LMA (differences can be seen here http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2747266&postcount=149).

Here how the SC vintage was shoot, and then 1,33 ratio was set to fit the old movies sequences.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5046/00011m2tssnapshot002923.png

[Thriller 25]

Amazon.de Exclusive SteelBook: http://www.amazon.de/Moonwalker-limitiertes-Steelbook-exklusiv-Amazon/dp/B003IT6TUU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1272196708&sr=8-3

Trailer: http://www.amazon.de/gp/mpd/permalink/m21ZUA0F3D9ZFM

[Boggy]

i can't wait to buy it !!!

[chocomarker]

it says in the trailer

"one of the most celebrated artists of all time"

why not

"the most celebrated artist of all time"

coz i don't really know anyone who was more celebrated over the course of his over 40 years presence in music biz.

[GOLDSPACESUIT45]

will there be dvd features? such as extras?

[Droid]

will there be dvd features? such as extras?

no. just the trailer as bonus :(

[Eric]

it says in the trailer

"one of the most celebrated artists of all time"

why not

"the most celebrated artist of all time"

coz i don't really know anyone who was more celebrated over the course of his over 40 years presence in music biz.
Because there isn't an exact metric for measuring "celebrated."

[Jan]

no. just the trailer as bonus :(

Hey,according to hmv, 3d vignette will be included...and more:

Highlights include an extended Claymation sequence and a 3-D vignette put together by the Disney Company. The most endearing aspect of MOONWALKER is Jackson's willingness to poke fun at his own tabloid-headline image.



http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

[Droid]

Hey,according to hmv, 3d vignette will be included...and more:

Highlights include an extended Claymation sequence and a 3-D vignette put together by the Disney Company. The most endearing aspect of MOONWALKER is Jackson's willingness to poke fun at his own tabloid-headline image.



http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=11481

"Highlights include an extended Claymation sequence" i think they referring to the speed demon part "3-D vignette put together by the Disney Company" i dont know about this part.