Update: Behind the Scenes on Jan 28th 8PM ET OWN Channel / Katherine Jackson May Be 'Oprah' Bound

[Ingelief]

im not wanting to upset anybody lets say that first.

but i agree with moogisland a bit. He was not only brilijant, like elton john said but also a little damaged. and i really think the interview was fine. and maybe some parts had could said differetly but he she is human, michael is/was and that made it for me thouhing..

i thing being a michael fan doesnt mean i have to be protecting him from fans ho say yes he has a not smart way with medicine like the propofal. i can say that and i feel still the same about him..

[Jessylex]

We had better pay attention to this. Has connected with the interview.
Charles Thomson is deffending Michael Jackson again. And we can join him as well. PLEASE!!! READ the link below!!!!

"It has been a while now since I blogged about Michael Jackson. There are two main reasons for this. The first is that in the wake of my last Huffington Post article I became the subject of some rather bizarre conspiracy theories. The second is that there hasn't been much to write about.

However, today I was informed of an incident which my conscience wouldn't allow me to ignore. Kelvin MacKenzie, former editor of the Sun newspaper, appeared today on the British TV show 'This Morning' and claimed that Michael Jackson was a child molester and his children are better off now that he's dead."

There is link to his blog. Please read and help him with this,

http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.com/

[LindavG]

Brilliant post White Chocolate, I agree with everything you said :)

[Big Apple2]

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

Your ENTIRE post was excellent!

I just want to re-point out TWO vital issues, that I will continue to shout from the roof top.

The first being the autopsy report, which is an OFFICIAL document. I'll go with the official document before I go with something somebody HEARD.

Secondly, the fact that the family was actively pursuing Michael so that he would take the stage with them cannot be overlooked, because, in my opinion, it contradicts all of those "interventions."

Janet is on record talking about conference calls and being the opening act, IF Michael would join the brothers again. She was on with Ellen and Larry King talking about this reunion concert, but she NEVER, EVER mentioned anything about Michael being a "drug addict who needed an intervention." Somebody is not being truthful!

[smoothlugar]

i thing being a michael fan doesnt mean i have to be protecting him from fans ho say yes he has a not smart way with medicine like the propofal. i can say that and i feel still the same about him..

The point is that that's not the case.

They are not facts, only rumours said by the media and some supposed friends and some family members.

I take into account what Katherine has said, but that cannot lead to anyone to conclude whether there was "addiction" or not, the only thing we know from her is that she was told by others and that she asked Michael ONCE and though he denied it, she didn't believe him.

[TheChosenOne]

Where does one get a transcript for a Winfrey interview?

[suzynyc]

What??? Did you even watch the interview? Did you miss this part where she corrected Oprah:

Oprah said: 'When Michael died at the time we were hearing alleged drug overdose, were you shocked hearing it was drugs'

Katherine corrects her saying: 'No no I didn't hear it was drugs, I heard it was propofol, an overdose of propofol, you know its for when they put you to sleep'

Oprah: 'its's an anesthetic'

Katherine :'it's an anesthetic, that's exactly what it is'.

Oprah: 'were you aware he was taking prescription drugs for sleep and to feel more balanced'

Katherine: 'No. But remember when he was burnt in the head...'

and they go on to talk about that. She is talking about the past dependence on painkillers. Michael has had problems in the past that he admitted to.

Oprah talks about the trial and the pyjama incident asking if this was an indication of durgs, and Katherine corrected her about the whole incident - people watching Oprah will not have heard this explanation before.

Oprah: 'what if anything would you say to dr conrad murray?'

Katherine: ' i've thought about this, i would say 'why didn't he take care of my child?' 'why did he leave the room, and all that?' 'and why did he give that to him, and its dangerous, why did you do it?'

Oprah:'do you think he murdered your son?'

Katherine: 'I can't accuse him of murder, i don't know if it was accidently done, or if it was intentionally done. i don't wanna get into that.. i have my thoughts, but i don't wanna say..'


It was blindingly obvious from that interview that she blamed Murray for Michael's death.

Michael died from an overdose of Propofol given by Murray KATHERINE SAID THIS. She even said it was an anaesthetic, that Murray left the room when he shouldn't have, and sleep problems were mentioned.

Some of the things in the interview she really should not have said, but she was clear on why Michael died.

Some of you are completely ignoring that she even mentioned propofol.

Thanks for posting this. I know *I* was pleased with this portion of the interview. The part about the Pepsi burn is questionable as some here have pointed out, I will give them that, but I guess Mrs. Jackson can't know everything and is just speculating on some things. Still yes, she was very specific in pointing out what did (propofol) and did not (prescription drugs) kill Michael and who she blamed for his death (Murray).

[twinklEE]

Why are people allowed to call Michael a drug addict without consequences?

[smoothlugar]

Where does one get a transcript for a Winfrey interview?

I tried it, but the only thing I found was a link with transcriptions in PDF but paying $24 something. So if anyone knows where to get one for free, I would be very thankful too.

[angelofinnocence]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!

:clapping:

[Autumn II]

Why are people allowed to call Michael a drug addict without consequences?

At this point, I really have no idea. The autopsy report PROVED that he was not addicted when he died. The family has cried "intervention" for YEARS, but not one of them has said they saw him high, or taking anything.

We expect Michael's legacy to be tarnished by tabloids, but not by fans. This continuing trend, by some, saddens me. . . .

[angelofinnocence]

to me, the interventions were a way to make more money off Michael and his name. by making MJ do concerts. Michael refused, cut them all off apart from his Mother and now the other siblings and Joecare pissed they got cut out the will. I reckon he fell out with them over something and instead of talking about that and the real reason they fell out we have all this drug talk and interventions. I may be wrong but have the family not tried getting Michael involved in stuff before like the Korean incident. Michael refuses, fallout happens., and this time Michael is no longer here and unable to defend himself. If I was Debbie I would be watching the goings on at Havenyhurst very carefully from now on. I also believe that Katherine has been fed false information about Michael. She knows the truth and said it on Dateline. but Brain Oxman and Joe and Randy have been whispering in her ear in order to get money from AEG to paint MJ as a druggie. This is probably the only way they will get their settlement in their eyes, Joe is manipulating Katherine again. She is bowing down to him and not standing up to him like she has down in the past. And they are all going to hell in a handcart in this mess. The only people who are innocent in all this mess are Prince, Paris and Blanket. I fear for them and their future if this mess carries on much longer. No-one can get their stories straight, It is all so weird.

[virginia_woolf]

We expect Michael's legacy to be tarnished by tabloids, but not by fans. This continuing trend, by some, saddens me. . . .

The worst thing is when his legacy is tarnished by his own family. That is really heartbreaking. I wish they showed the same outrage about the 'addict in denial' stories like they are screaming about 'the fake' songs.

[StaceyMJ]

Why are people allowed to call Michael a drug addict without consequences?

Staff can't see everything and be everywhere. Can you all please report posts you feel are breaking any of the forum rules? It would really help us out massively. :flowers:

[Naturelle]

to me, the interventions were a way to make more money off Michael and his name. by making MJ do concerts. Michael refused, cut them all off apart from his Mother and now the other siblings and Joecare pissed they got cut out the will. I reckon he fell out with them over something and instead of talking about that and the real reason they fell out we have all this drug talk and interventions. I may be wrong but have the family not tried getting Michael involved in stuff before like the Korean incident. Michael refuses, fallout happens., and this time Michael is no longer here and unable to defend himself. If I was Debbie I would be watching the goings on at Havenyhurst very carefully from now on. I also believe that Katherine has been fed false information about Michael. She knows the truth and said it on Dateline. but Brain Oxman and Joe and Randy have been whispering in her ear in order to get money from AEG to paint MJ as a druggie. This is probably the only way they will get their settlement in their eyes, Joe is manipulating Katherine again. She is bowing down to him and not standing up to him like she has down in the past. And they are all going to hell in a handcart in this mess. The only people who are innocent in all this mess are Prince, Paris and Blanket. I fear for them and their future if this mess carries on much longer. No-one can get their stories straight, It is all so weird.

I agree with you especially on the Debbie part. Just sad all the way around.

[Alma]

I tried it, but the only thing I found was a link with transcriptions in PDF but paying $24 something. So if anyone knows where to get one for free, I would be very thankful too.


I've found it here: http://www.mj-777.com/

[Sophielo]

Guys the arguing stops now. And if there are any posts calling Michael a drug addict report them please and let us deal with it rather than raising to the bait. Thanks everyone.

[riviera1992]

keep everything aside in the interview ,this was suppose to be positive right then show me one headline in paper which is positive after this interview ,those who are supporting this ,please show me one positive headline .*i am waiting*

One good thing from the interview:my new sig

[Ingelief]

one question, i didnt hear in the interview anything about the pyama incident, was it on oprah, or is that a transcript of the unedit one?

Im not calling michael a drug addict in my post ever, but i have said though he wasnt smart with wanting propofol... and on this part i have to say i dont understand him in this. smart always checking history, why on earth would he take it without a nurse and apparature? it doesnt make sense, and in some interview someone said the same. i dont know who or which interview.

katherine only said about the propofol, and him being addicted when he burned his head right? So why is it now a debat wheter he is a drug addict or not? who is claiming he is?
oprah?

[smoothlugar]

I've found it here: http://www.mj-777.com/

Thank you so much Alma for the link with the transcription of the interview.

[Moulin Rouge]

I actually think it painted him in a great light.
It showed him to be more human.
Heck, if his own mother believes he had to much surgery then it proves the reality...he had too much surgery.
Also, it proved Janet was not lying about the interventions, as Katherine brought that up.
I seem to remember you specifically having an issue with Janet's Oprah interview.

I actually think its good cause it silences the haters who think MJ is bonkers, but ALSO the dumb fans who think he some sort of super human angel from outer space that can do no wrong.

Reality is, Michael had a drug problem, he had a problem with his looks, he had a lot of issues that he hide from the public cause he was too shy and embarresed to deal with them.
This I can deal with, and still listen to his music and love him.
Sad some fans are so determined to keep this rose tinted image of him, even so they would attack his own mother and loyal sisters.
I think the interview was good too, i saw it more as a postive than a negative. People were reminded that Michael was a son and a father, a beloved family member, a great man who who his flaws. I'd prefer Katherine to have chosen someone other than Oprah but what's done is done.

Nothing major was revealed, Katherine was very honest with her opinions, more honest than i thought she'd be and that's the same with Lisa's ineterview. I don't like everything they said but the interviews were about their perceptions and thoughts on Michael and I felt they were honest.

Michael died from drugs there is no denying that but when they talk about drug problems the public confuses the 2. They did mention his death was a homicide and that it was propofol which killed him but they could have clearified things. It would have been nice for Katherine to make it clear that Michael went to rehab for painkillers in 1993 and his death had nothing to do with that. Some people think Michael died from a drug overdose like Elivs or Ana Nicole but his case is different. Everything in his body was administered to him by Murray to sleep, whether he was taking other drugs is irrelevant because Murray directly caused his death intentionally or not.

I wish Oprah would have asked more about Michael as a child or things he did with his mother, when she first met her grandchildren(Michael's children),her own childhood, her favorite MJ song/performance or some other fond memories because talking about his death and drugs gets depressing.

[Ingelief]

mouline rouge great post.. agree with that

[ExoticPrincess]

I actually think it painted him in a great light.
It showed him to be more human.
Heck, if his own mother believes he had to much surgery then it proves the reality...he had too much surgery.
Also, it proved Janet was not lying about the interventions, as Katherine brought that up.
I seem to remember you specifically having an issue with Janet's Oprah interview.

I actually think its good cause it silences the haters who think MJ is bonkers, but ALSO the dumb fans who think he some sort of super human angel from outer space that can do no wrong.

Reality is, Michael had a drug problem, he had a problem with his looks, he had a lot of issues that he hide from the public cause he was too shy and embarresed to deal with them.
This I can deal with, and still listen to his music and love him.
Sad some fans are so determined to keep this rose tinted image of him, even so they would attack his own mother and loyal sisters.

Its post like this that just makes you go :bugeyed!

Whatever issue Michael was or was not going through should not be put out in the public media like that for people to gloat about! and believe me they are gloating, anything to drive the stake in even harder. Where was all this talk when Michael was alive? I bet you none of you Janet fans would like it if Katherine or other family members put Janets business out in public like that! but for some unknown reason its okay to do it to Michael.

Why the heck does Michael Jackson not deserve the basic of respect like everyone else!?!?

[Ohood]

what is funny is when Kathrine said , he denied any drug addiction , but later she asked about this and she was TOLD this is denial...honestly i did not know whether i shall laugh or cry when i remember this answer !

[LindavG]

Guys the arguing stops now. And if there are any posts calling Michael a drug addict report them please and let us deal with it rather than raising to the bait. Thanks everyone.

No offense, but I think reporting people for saying they think MJ was addicted to drugs is going a bit too far, that sounds like censure to me. Some people may choose to believe the family's statements over Michael or the autopsy report, which is their - admittedly foolish - decision, but we can't force everybody to have the same opinion. I think it would be better if we let the people who believe he was addicted explain their position and then hopefully we can have a fruitful and respectful debate about this. We must not forget that we are all FANS of Michael Jackson, we all love this man otherwise we wouldn't be a part of this Community.

Personally, I don't think Michael was addicted to prescription drugs at the time of his death, mainly because of Elusive Moonwalker's comments about the bottles found in his home, which did not show any excessive use of medication considering the date they were bought and the amount of pills that were still in them. Apparently, this is written in the autopsy report but I have to admit that I've only read the autopsy report once and this was a long time ago, and I had trouble understanding certain parts since I don't know anything about medicine at all. Therefore, I will just assume that her statements on this are correct. But still, I agree with Ingelief that it is very disproportionate to use Propofol in order to get to sleep and I can't understand how Michael agreed to this. Yes, I know he suffered from insomnia and he must have been desperate, but still... :(

[LindavG]

what is funny is when Kathrine said , he denied any drug addiction , but later she asked about this and she was TOLD this is denial...honestly i did not know whether i shall laugh or cry when i remember this answer !

The part where he supposedly said "My own mother doesn't even believe me" was so heartbreaking to me :(

[Alma]

I agree with Ingelief that it is very disproportionate to use Propofol in order to get to sleep and I can't understand how Michael agreed to this. Yes, I know he suffered from insomnia and he must have been desperate, but still... :(

Michael was a lonely man with a HUGE responsibility on his shoulders that no one could understand it better than him. On top of that he was sued left and right, and there was too little time/or no time left to rehearse and prepare everything for the tour. On top of that even, AEG and others were on his back threatening him. He tried Everything, as Cheryll Lee said, to sleep: he COULDN'T sleep when on tour or preparing for touring, he couldn't eat right and he said it. He was nervous, rushed, he came home from the rehearsals at 1 or 2 a.m., he couldn't sleep because of the adrenaline, the many ideas and concerns for and about This Is It. He just couldn't shut his mind down for a while, as he said more than once, and I know it from personal experience what it's like not being able to stop thinking and relaxing. And sleeping. Sedatives make you drowsy and sluggish the next morning, anti-anxiety painkillers too. You're just a shadow of yourself, a zombie and you can't function. And he couldn't find other sollution. He was to be there for rehearsals the next day, so he couldn't function without sleep.

Did anyone think he could have been threatened with his life, being surrounded by all those sharks and snakes like Thome Thome Randy Philips etc, who threatened him also with taking Neverland away from him. Thome Thome was making threats to Julien's Auctions that there will be bloodshed; his history is shady and Michael himself got to know it and fired him, as well as others. Randy Philips said that This Is It is a do-or-die for Michael, and if he won't perform, he'll carry him on his bak and put him on stage. These people THREATEN people, and they're the industry - that evil giant machine. He couldn't trust nobody. How could one sleep when cornered from EVERY side by pressures? Isn't that a reason to be desperate? And he didn't even want his children to see that. Or his fans, for he always smiles for them.

He died like a dog fallen prey to a greedy doctor who DIDN"T have the proper equipment and monitoring devices for Jackson, who HIRED a doctor to monitor him and his sleep and health for the tour. He mostly ate healthy, exercised and all that. To top all this, he had project upon project to work on, not to mention he had to be a father. How can one be all that, with so much on his mind and heart that he couldn't shut them off a bit from thinking and feeling and continue to live? If he could NOT sleep, which he couldn't, how was he going to make it the next day for his children and fans? Where would he get the energy? Nothing else helped, otherwise he wouldn't have resorted to propofol. He was given propofol a couple of times before, but then, he WAS monitored and everything by doctors and that is always safe.

Murray wasn't hired by Jackson to kill him! Which is what MURRAY did. He didn't hire him to be an incompetent, greedy doctor. He didn't hire him to be taken away from the children. Jackson couldn't refuse going to London, he had no choice, as so many complained and went into hysterics when he postponed - not even cancelled - a show. And he was gonna cancel. And AEG would have had the last word. Which they did, eventually. He was surrounded at every nook and cranny by the Mafia, could not possibly discern between who was good and bad, and most betrayed and destroyed him, like Murray finally did. His ONLY close friends proved to be his children.

This propofol discussion is hurtful already, futile and reduntant right now, as demonstrated by all of the above.

[mjgrl4ever]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!
THANK YOU!! incredible post, couldn't agree more:yes:

[riviera1992]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

Thank you so much for taking the time to express my thought word for word.

Seriously, what world do we live in when official autopsy reports is totally discarded and medialoid is taken as gospel?

[LindavG]

Michael was a lonely man with a HUGE responsibility on his shoulders that no one could understand it better than him. On top of that he was sued left and right, and there was too little time/or no time left to rehearse and prepare everything for the tour. On top of that even, AEG and others were on his back threatening him. He tried Everything, as Cheryll Lee said, to sleep: he COULDN'T sleep when on tour or preparing for touring, he couldn't eat right and he said it. He was nervous, rushed, he came home from the rehearsals at 1 or 2 a.m., he couldn't sleep because of the adrenaline, the many ideas and concerns for and about This Is It. He just couldn't shut his mind down for a while, as he said more than once, and I know it from personal experience what it's like not being able to stop thinking and relaxing. And sleeping. Sedatives make you drowsy and sluggish the next morning, anti-anxiety painkillers too. You're just a shadow of yourself, a zombie and you can't function. And he couldn't find other sollution. He was to be there for rehearsals the next day, so he couldn't function without sleep.

Did anyone think he could have been threatened with his life, being surrounded by all those sharks and snakes like Thome Thome Randy Philips etc, who threatened him also with taking Neverland away from him. Thome Thome was making threats to Julien's Auctions that there will be bloodshed; his history is shady and Michael himself got to know it and fired him, as well as others. Randy Philips said that This Is It is a do-or-die for Michael, and if he won't perform, he'll carry him on his bak and put him on stage. These people THREATEN people, and they're the industry - that evil giant machine. He couldn't trust nobody. How could one sleep when cornered from EVERY side by pressures? Isn't that a reason to be desperate? And he didn't even want his children to see that. Or his fans, for he always smiles for them.

He died like a dog fallen prey to a greedy doctor who DIDN"T have the proper equipment and monitoring devices for Jackson, who HIRED a doctor to monitor him and his sleep and health for the tour. He mostly ate healthy, exercised and all that. To top all this, he had project upon project to work on, not to mention he had to be a father. How can one be all that, with so much on his mind and heart that he couldn't shut them off a bit from thinking and feeling and continue to live? If he could NOT sleep, which he couldn't, how was he going to make it the next day for his children and fans? Where would he get the energy? Nothing else helped, otherwise he wouldn't have resorted to propofol. He was given propofol a couple of times before, but then, he WAS monitored and everything by doctors and that is always safe.

Murray wasn't hired by Jackson to kill him! Which is what MURRAY did. He didn't hire him to be an incompetent, greedy doctor. He didn't hire him to be taken away from the children. Jackson couldn't refuse going to London, he had no choice, as so many complained and went into hysterics when he postponed - not even cancelled - a show. And he was gonna cancel. And AEG would have had the last word. Which they did, eventually. He was surrounded at every nook and cranny by the Mafia, could not possibly discern between who was good and bad, and most betrayed and destroyed him, like Murray finally did. His ONLY close friends proved to be his children.

This propofol discussion is hurtful already, futile and reduntant right now, as demonstrated by all of the above.

I totally understand what you are saying, as a matter of fact I could have written this myself ;) There is no need to be defensive with regard to my post cause I am on your side, I think there is a misinterpretation here or maybe I wasn't quite clear with what I meant. Let me make it clear that I do not blame Michael for his death. Yes, he may have agreed to take the Propofol but when dr. Murray chose his profession he took an oath to always let his patient's best interests prevail. In this case, he broke his oath and his actions are not only medically unethical, they are also illegal hence the upcoming court case. This is not the point I was trying to make.

What I meant was, I just cannot understand how someone like Michael who always appeared to be so concerned about his health, and who hardly trusted anyone, allowed Murray to administer him this dangerous drug without the proper equipment and everything. He must have been extremely desperate.

[Alma]

Well, I'm not gonna return to restate what I said, because I see the 'desperate' part is getting repeated again and emphasized, and I've explained it. That is just the thing: he trusted his doctor. There was nobody else willing to do that for him, so he found this incompetent, which he hoped he wasn't, because he knew him for a few years and he treated his children's colds at one point. So, he felt he could trust him to do the right thing for him too. He slept in the room while the doctor was hired to monitor him all of the time. Michael couldn't know all that there is needed in medical terms, there were those oxygen tanks, and he trusted his doctor with his life, and he didn't know anything and even left the room.

I made that long, defensive post in regards to propofol/Michael to cover all points, not just yours. One should only be within someone's mind to fully understand everything. He said about touring that it'll kill him if he does it again, because he couldn't by any means sleep due to the many pressures and worries. It did.

But he was killed, for he was a liability to this world and the industry, but that's not the proper thread for such discussion. Murray left the room when he was supposed to monitor Michael, as well as tried to cover and hide everything before calling 911. Somehow, June 25 was meant to be to the misfortune of many. What the human mind cannot grasp by any means is either the good or the evil, and it's easy to tell what powers worked that day. Murray will most likely walk away free, because people are helping him with their comments in the media already and the system is far too corrupted. The 1993 situation, the 2005, all were shakedowns. June 25 was too.

And this thread shouldn't be about propofol. Mater of fact, to me, personally, it's run its course.

[LindavG]

Well, I'm not gonna return to restate what I said, because I see the 'desperate' part is getting repeated again and emphasized, and I've explained it. That is just the thing: he trusted his doctor. There was nobody else willing to do that for him, so he found this incompetent, which he hoped he wasn't, because he knew him for a few years and he treated his children's colds at one point. So, he felt he could trust him to do the right thing for him too. He slept in the room while the doctor was hired to monitor him. Michael couldn't know all that there is needed in medical terms, there were those oxygen tanks, and he trusted his doctor with his life.

I made that long, defensive post in regards to propofol/Michael to cover all points, not just yours. One should only be within someone's mind to fully understand everything. He said about touring that it'll kill him if he does it again, because he couldn't by any means sleep due to the many pressures and worries. It did.

But he was killed, for he was a liability to this world and the industry, but that's not the proper thread for such discussion. Murray left the room when he was supposed to monitor Michael, as well as tried to cover and hide everything before calling 911. Somehow, June 25 was meant to be to the misfortune of many. What the human mind cannot grasp by any means is either the good or the evil, and it's easy to tell what powers worked that day.

And this thread shouldn't be about propofol. Mater of fact, to me, personally, it's run its course.

Never mind my question, I was more thinking out loud I guess. It's just that... I understand all the reasons you mentioned and stuff but still, Propofol is so extreme, I cannot imagine ever taking such a drug, I would be terrified. But yeah, he put his trust in the wrong person... story of his life :(

Anyway, sorry for going off topic.

[ginvid]

No offense, but I think reporting people for saying they think MJ was addicted to drugs is going a bit too far, that sounds like censure to me. Some people may choose to believe the family's statements over Michael or the autopsy report, which is their - admittedly foolish - decision, but we can't force everybody to have the same opinion. I think it would be better if we let the people who believe he was addicted explain their position and then hopefully we can have a fruitful and respectful debate about this. We must not forget that we are all FANS of Michael Jackson, we all love this man otherwise we wouldn't be a part of this Community.
Personally, I don't think Michael was addicted to prescription drugs at the time of his death, mainly because of Elusive Moonwalker's comments about the bottles found in his home, which did not show any excessive use of medication considering the date they were bought and the amount of pills that were still in them. Apparently, this is written in the autopsy report but I have to admit that I've only read the autopsy report once and this was a long time ago, and I had trouble understanding certain parts since I don't know anything about medicine at all. Therefore, I will just assume that her statements on this are correct. But still, I agree with Ingelief that it is very disproportionate to use Propofol in order to get to sleep and I can't understand how Michael agreed to this. Yes, I know he suffered from insomnia and he must have been desperate, but still... :(

I'm sorry. But it is not going too far. We have an autopsy thread for anyone who wants to talk about MJ's death or what was in his body at the time of his death. We have an autopsy thread that dissects the report. Therefore, unless something else scientific comes out that contradicts that, there is no need for discussion. That is the rule of the board. End of.

Thanks.:)

Just a warning, any posts calling MJ a drug addict will be promptly deleted. I'm warning you ahead of time so you won't be offended if your post disappears.

[smoothlugar]

LindavG: Apart from the comments you're mentioning (that you can check in the AR), there are the toxicology results, sthg even more CONCLUSIVE.

[Naturelle]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen/been in constant contact/etc. with him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!

i feel your pain too ...:better:

[kristinaz]

I just one final comment to make on my own behalf and that is honestly I don't feel like making assumptions at this point obviously I am not well informed when it comes to drugs or anything like that. What I have learned about drug use and long term effects I have learned from the wonderful members here who have informed all of those like me who are clueless on the subject. It has given me a clearer understanding not only of the case but of the autopsy. Now in terms of an addiction or what not I feel it is not my business yet to comment on such things atleast not until the case is well on it's way and we have more information. I have not been a fan long enough to judge there are more of you on here who have followed Michael much closer and would know way more then me on his past. Besides that I want to say on his image while it is obvious Michael had issues with his looks I guess in a sense it isn't any of our business and it was i don't want to say nice but interesting to hear from his mother that he had more then 2 like he had always claimed, i always felt like I was going crazy when he would say 2 cause it just never seemed like only 2. But regardless I don't care I never have I will always love his music what he did for the world. I'll always admire him and have lots of respect for him. None of these things the drugs or image or allegations nothing matters to me and honestly I'm not angry at Mrs. Jackson for her admissions ya maybe it was too much at parts but it wasn't as horrible as I imagined it would have been. So basically that's it from me, that's all I'm going to say (well least for a while) on this issue.

[Petrarose]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen/been in constant contact/etc. with him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!

EXCELLENT POST. There is nothing more I can say.

[Petrarose]

One good thing from the interview:my new sig

I love the siggy. Thank you so much.

Oops, sorry for double posting.

[Naturelle]

the siggy is GREAT!!!! :D

[MJStorm]

The jacksons do something very simple.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." ~ Joseph Goebbels

[Ohood]

The part where he supposedly said "My own mother doesn't even believe me" was so heartbreaking to me :(

she did not believe him when he said that he is not an addict , but she believed whoerver told her that this answer is a kind of denail !

i beive what Teddy said about MJ health condition n his last interview...this guy tells the truth.

[ginvid]

As promised, this thread has been cleaned. If you want to discuss propofol, we have an autopsy thread that discusses it in depth. It will not ne discussed here.

I don't think people realize how sensitive of a subject this still is for many fans.
Also, we will categorically believe an autopsy report over any claims of the family members as it stands now. Therefore any post about this will be deleted as well.

Thank you. These are the rules of the board.

Please continue discussing the interview. :)

[twinklEE]

Its post like this that just makes you go :bugeyed!

Whatever issue Michael was or was not going through should not be put out in the public media like that for people to gloat about! and believe me they are gloating, anything to drive the stake in even harder. Where was all this talk when Michael was alive? I bet you none of you Janet fans would like it if Katherine or other family members put Janets business out in public like that! but for some unknown reason its okay to do it to Michael.

Why the heck does Michael Jackson not deserve the basic of respect like everyone else!?!?
Thank you for making sense! :clapping:

[angelofinnocence]

I never thought I would see the day when Michael's own Mother would let him down. So upset over all this. Truly gutted and dreading jan and the circus beginning with only us and MJ3 on Michael's side.

[ilmjj]

I never thought I would see the day when Michael's own Mother would let him down. So upset over all this. Truly gutted and dreading jan and the circus beginning with only us and MJ3 on Michael's side.

I agree:angel:
We are all exhausted by this drama. And to think Michael lived this every day:bugeyed

[Strange Blues]

I've got so many issues with the Oprah interview that it would just take too long to list them all, but the one that stood out the most was this: Oprah's questioning style was so full of her own opinions about things that it looked more like she was trying to pass her own opinions on Michael as those of Michael's mother, and it looks like she's succeeded. Katherine gave an okay answer about the propofol thing, which leads me to believe that she may have been taught how to answer that question, but for the most part Katherine was just eating up everything Oprah offered to her.

It didn't even look like the record was set straight on anything, as the whole interview revolved around three topics we've all heard a million times before: plastic surgery, the 2003-2005 trial and drugs. It wasn't all a terrible fiasco though, since it was obvious from some moments just how much Katherine loved Michael and how she misses him every day. Those moments even made me tear up because I could see how she's still in pain. But at the same time it's kind of telling that the best answers Katherine gave were the ones she couldn't really put into words, like her grief. Sure she's allowed to have her own opinions about things but why would she deliberately go and say something like Michael may have been addicted to plastic surgery or drugs when he's not even here anymore to prove otherwise? That kind of speculation doesn't lead anywhere, and who really cares about the plastic surgery anyway. It hardly comes as a surprise to anyone that Michael had a few plastic surgeries done, the least of all to his mum.

In the end it was a good thing that Prince and Paris were there since they seemed like the only ones who weren't sucked in by Oprah's tactics. Prince especially was really interesting to watch, as he looked like he just wanted to get out of there and made sure that he said as little as possible to Oprah. He kind of looked like he didn't trust Oprah at all, whereas Paris spoke a bit more but she made sure that nothing she said could be turned into lies. But I just don't get how hypocritical Oprah was when she was talking to the kids and to Katherine about the kids. She was all "Oh, aren't you kids wonderful and I'm so sorry about your dad, BUT aren't you glad things are more normal for you now?" I was just sitting there thinking "WTF?! These three are probably the three most level-headed celebrity kids I've ever seen. Don't you think that might be BECAUSE Michael kept them away from the spotlight for so long, and not in spite of it?" It just makes me so angry how some, especially Oprah, are constantly trying to undermine Michael's accomplishments as a father while at the same time they all admit that the children are really smart and well-mannered. They can't have it both ways and it's about time Oprah and the rest of the idiotic members of the media realize that the three "most normal" (if there is such a thing as normal anyway) members of the family are Michael's kids, the children of the same man that they called an unfit parent all his life. I guess some people just can't stand to be wrong so they have to twist the facts to make them fit their own agenda.

End rant.

[twinklEE]

When I think of how Michael was attacked, critisized, and crucified by the media and some so called fans for raising his kids the way he did, for keeping them away from the limelight etc. Fans on various boards accusing him of loving to 'razzle dazzle' the media by covering his kids faces etc.. Everything he endured for that to think that, all this just doesn't seem to matter at all, as those people have decided once again to to ignore all his efforts and those kids were on Oprah being interviewed on national TV, just for the sake of a stupid book. I mean come on, Michael spent 12 years of his life enduring so much because he kept them away, going thru so many lengths but these people just don't care. It just doesn't seem to matter all his efforts were traded in order to promote a crappy book. It's very telling that his children landed on Oprah barely one and half years after his death. Very VERY TELLING.

[rainny]

Michael spent 12 years of his life enduring so much because he kept them away, going thru so many lengths but these people just don't care. It just doesn't seem to matter all his efforts were traded in order to promote a crappy book. It's very telling that his children landed on Oprah barely one and half years after his death. Very VERY TELLING.


That.

[Ohood]

why then do you think Grace and Alvars (spl?) were send away !? because they did not like certain things and they were ready to fight for the kids !

[Petrarose]

...But at the same time it's kind of telling that the best answers Katherine gave were the ones she couldn't really put into words, like her grief. Sure she's allowed to have her own opinions about things but why would she deliberately go and say something like Michael may have been addicted to plastic surgery or drugs when he's not even here anymore to prove otherwise? That kind of speculation doesn't lead anywhere, and who really cares about the plastic surgery anyway. It hardly comes as a surprise to anyone that Michael had a few plastic surgeries done, the least of all to his mum.

She was all "Oh, aren't you kids wonderful and I'm so sorry about your dad, BUT aren't you glad things are more normal for you now?" I was just sitting there thinking "WTF?!
End rant.

The part about the grief is very good. That is why Katherine, not being interview savvy should have discussed possible questions and answers with someone before the interview.

About the more normal now part, I cannot believe she said this and there was no outcry from people. She is literally saying that there was something wrong in the way the kids father raised them to their faces. This is so wrong on so many levels. How could someone say something like this to children? Very sad for our society.

[ExoticPrincess]

Did anyone else detect any (real) sympathy from Oprah during her talk with Katherine, 'cause I certainly did'nt!

[ginvid]

^Oprah was not sympathetic at all. She was very hard hearted and fake. And I hated when she kept pushing Katherine to say that she remembered MJ as a child. Kath kept trying to say that was not the only time, but eventually she gave in to Oprah. Oprah was trying to imply Kath wanted to remember him Before and surgery. Epic Fail on Oprah's part.

[caleb20003]

Oprah tried her hardest to get those kids to cry on TV $$$$$$

I think it was interesting that Joe was there and believe he played a big part in getting all this arranged and shoving the kids out there. He certainly has Katherines ear still.
Pretty Galling to think for MJ would be livid about it all.

The rest of the Jackson clan will be hanging round them (mj3) well into their forties now they know the trust fund distribution, so we can probably expect some more of this, it certainly will not be the last interview! Infact, I probably expect them to appear with the odious t**t that is Piers Morgan soon or maybe even a Martin Bashit special (don't laugh it really could happen)

[LindavG]

^Oprah was not sympathetic at all. She was very hard hearted and fake. And I hated when she kept pushing Katherine to say that she remembered MJ as a child. Kath kept trying to say that was not the only time, but eventually she gave in to Oprah. Oprah was trying to imply Kath wanted to remember him Before and surgery. Epic Fail on Oprah's part.

True, but then again being cold and heartless seems to be Oprah's style. I used to like her show but I've now come to see her for the insincere ratings-hunter that she is.

[ilmjj]

I just posted this in another thread but I want to say it here too. Since Oprah seems to not be able to get enough of all things Michael, I wish she would do a show where she interviewed his fans. I have some names for her too!!!

I would love to see that show because she wouldn't stand a chance:evil:

[music65]

True, but then again being cold and heartless seems to be Oprah's style. I used to like her show but I've now come to see her for the insincere ratings-hunter that she is.

good for you..I knew all along.

[Petrarose]

I just posted this in another thread but I want to say it here too. Since Oprah seems to not be able to get enough of all things Michael, I wish she would do a show where she interviewed his fans. I have some names for her too!!!

I would love to see that show because she wouldn't stand a chance:evil:

Oh My Goodness!!!! That show will really be a ratings breaker. Everyone will tune in including me. I am going to think about this tonight before I fall asleep in case I have some nice dreams about it. Dreaming about it is good, since she is afraid of doing this in reality.

[JMie]

check this guys http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3070454

TMZ leaked the contract between Katherine and Howard Mann. apparently the kids are in it. and the contracts binds "KJ party" to appear in interviews. So there you go.

[Laura.L.]

Did anyone else detect any (real) sympathy from Oprah during her talk with Katherine, 'cause I certainly did'nt!

I didn't either, because there was none. She's cold to the core, a completely heartless woman. It almost looked like Oprah was trying to hold back a smile while Katherine was in tears. Unbelieveable. :sigh:

[Moulin Rouge]

I never thought I would see the day when Michael's own Mother would let him down. So upset over all this. Truly gutted and dreading jan and the circus beginning with only us and MJ3 on Michael's side.
I hope you turn up to court in January but whether you do or don't i know his mother will be there and a few other family members too because they want justice and won't sit around on the internet waiting for it to happen without taking action.

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

check this guys http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3070454

TMZ leaked the contract between Katherine and Howard Mann. apparently the kids are in it. and the contracts binds "KJ party" to appear in interviews. So there you go.

Yikes. :bugeyed:(

[MsCassieMollie]

How is TMZ getting all this information? Anyway, I'm praying for the whole Jackson clan more than ever.

[music65]

When I think of how Michael was attacked, critisized, and crucified by the media and some so called fans for raising his kids the way he did, for keeping them away from the limelight etc. Fans on various boards accusing him of loving to 'razzle dazzle' the media by covering his kids faces etc.. Everything he endured for that to think that, all this just doesn't seem to matter at all, as those people have decided once again to to ignore all his efforts and those kids were on Oprah being interviewed on national TV, just for the sake of a stupid book. I mean come on, Michael spent 12 years of his life enduring so much because he kept them away, going thru so many lengths but these people just don't care. It just doesn't seem to matter all his efforts were traded in order to promote a crappy book. It's very telling that his children landed on Oprah barely one and half years after his death. Very VERY TELLING.



DON'T CARE???....Who are you to say his mother don't care? See gave birth to him, yes she talked about some obvious imperfections MJ had, but that is good to accept the truth sometimes it sets you free. She only promoted that book for less than one minute of the entire show, that was not her main gold. You fans need to get over it and recognise that Michael had faults just like me and you. And they will always be magnified; and as usaual his good qualities will be ignored. Personally I think it was a good thing they ended up on Oprah for once and defended their FATHER!

[Pascal09]

check this guys http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3070454

TMZ leaked the contract between Katherine and Howard Mann. apparently the kids are in it. and the contracts binds "KJ party" to appear in interviews. So there you go.


ooooh oooh

WITH such behaviour i wonder why some people want Oprah to have some sympathy for her. Kat has sold the kids. How can she bind the kids to a permanent contract? What a despicable act

[elusive moonwalker]

I hope you turn up to court in January but whether you do or don't i know his mother will be there and a few other family members too because they want justice and won't sit around on the internet waiting for it to happen without taking action.

they will have to be there as they will be murrays best defence witnesses
.yeap its all about the justice.so what is it. either the family are as thick as you know what and have co clue about the actual case and the damage they are doing or just dont care cause its all about the $ and only confirms to us about what they really felt about mj

well we all knew about katherines dealings with mann. and one thing that is plain as the day is long is the motive.gayle king talking about the kids being offered up certainly goes with this. just as we thought katherine is just using the kids in order to make $. i guess alsong as the kids play ball and take part in interviews etc then there will be no issues but what happens when they say no. then things may change with mann as katherine cannot make deal for the kids.she handed the kids on a plate to mann to use to promote their books etc. yet has no legal standing do so.

but im sure some ppl will find yet another excuse for this.

[prismsagainst5live]

ooooh oooh

WITH such behaviour i wonder why some people want Oprah to have some sympathy for her. Kat has sold the kids. How can she bind the kids to a permanent contract? What a despicable act

according to TMZ, Katherine doesn't have the ability to bind the kids to contracts.

I knew this was Howard Mann's main objective, GET TO THE KIDS. If he can 'bind them to stuff' now he can hold power over them later, so he thinks.

Well since Katherine can't bind the kids he can go jump off a cliff.

[elusive moonwalker]

according to TMZ, Katherine doesn't have the ability to bind the kids to contracts.

I knew this was Howard Mann's main objective, GET TO THE KIDS. If he can 'bind them to stuff' now he can hold power over them later, so he thinks.

Well since Katherine can't bind the kids he can go jump off a cliff.

yes i dont believe she can bind them from what ive read. which is setting katherine up to get sued for fraud by mann. this is just like the mess with the koreans but instead of offering up mj this time its his kids. u blame mann but katherine agreed and signed this contract.and it goes with what was said by gayle king of all ppl

[elusive moonwalker]

Ok I honestly was NOT going to comment but I just cannot take the B.S. anymore.

I am not an admirer of Michael's who thinks that he was flawless, I know he had his flaws LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES! However, the misgivings and anger towards certain things that certain members of the Jackson family have been propegating, i.e. like the "addiction" problem he supposedly had, etc. holds zero water for myself and others like me. Why? Well let's see...

- Everytime a member of the family has come out, like Janet and like Katherine, they have said that he was addicted, they also say that they never saw him take anything, and so on. They made an assumption.

- Most importantly the autopsy report DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUPPORT WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING! PERIOD! I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE REPORT and I have relatives who are in the medical field who have confirmed that if Michael was abusing the drugs he was supposedly doing so for the length of time that has been alledged, there is NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE AUTOPSY REPORT WOULD HAVE LISTED his state as being in fine shape for his age, NONE WHATSOEVER! HIS ENTERNAL ORGANS WOULD HAVE BEEN F*@KED UP BIG TIME!

-The Jacksons have given statements and comments on Michael that contradict the "drug addict" claim and other such statements. Katherine is A FINE EXAMPLE of this. Her comments on the subject matter during the DATELINE interview completely contradict what she said in the Oprah interview. The Truth NEVER changes!

- And if all these people, Jackson family members and none members (like LMP) who have come out and said that they BELIEVED he had a problem with drugs etc., even that body gaurd who claimed Michael was taking an OBSURD amount of Xanex or whatever during the trial, then WHY THE HELL DIDNT ANYONE, JUST ONE PERSON EVER SAY THEY SAW HIM TAKE SOMETHING?! NOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS MADE THESE CLAIMS, and there have been MANY, has said they ever SAW him take this stuff. Not one! Wow Michael must have been the world's best drug addict to be able to hide what he was doing FROM EVERYONE!!!!

- Then you have LMP, who even after being told by a medical physician that Michael was not on drugs after testing him for drugs, STILL believed that he was taking something when he was hospitalized at the end of '95. Medical evidence CANNOT LIE!

- Did Janet or anyone else ever consider that maybe the reason Michael was "acting strange" was that he wasn't getting enough sleep? Insomnia is bitch! I have it majorly! Sleep depervation makes people act differently, trust me I KNOW! Also, NO ONE, NOT EVEN JANET can even begin to understand the stress, BS, lies, etc. that he lived with on his shoulders EVERY DAMN DAY OF HIS LIFE! No one can. Not even her experience during "nipplegate" can compare to it. Did they ever once consider that maybe this affected his well being so much that he couldn't get a good nights rest? I know I sure as hell couldn't if I had to deal with that kind of trash!

- Did anyone in this family consider that maybe Michael didn't want to have much contact with them towards the later years of his life because they wouldn't leave him alone about getting "the group" back together, that they themselves only treated him as a commodity? Janet herself said, back before 6/25/09 that they were "working" on him to get back with family to perform. Funny, if I had a brother who required multiple interventions because of his "addictions" I sure as hell would not be trying to get him go on tour! SCREW THAT! I'd be trying to get him back into rehab! STAT! I know if my family treated me like a good amount of the Jackson's treated Michael, I wouldn't want anything to do with them either. Oh but Michael had to be addicted because why else would he not want to be around that loving family? **end sarcasm** **rolls eyes** Also it's funny how all these Jackson family members have come out saying they believed he had a problem, and yet for most (Janet included) they hadn't seen/been in constant contact/etc. with him in years. Janet herself even stated as much. Yeah sounds like a tight knit family who all know the inner workings of their brother...yep sounds just like it. **rolls eyes again**

- Also, Michael would not have been able to be the type of father he was, to have raised his kids to be who they have become if he was the drug addict others are making him out to be! I have known people who have been addicted, grown up around it...THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FUNCTION THE WAY HE DID!

- Yes! Michael had an addiction with pain killers back in '93. HE ADMITTED TO IT! And he got help for it. Period! End of story!

- And here's a thought did any of these people ever think, did Katherine even consider, that maybe when Michael said he wasn't taking anything, that oh I don't know, HE WASN'T TAKING ANYTHING! THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM?? Did that thought ever enter their minds? Not, oh well he's obviously in denial, all addicts are, since he didn't own up to what we are only ASSUMING. I have a feeling that whatever "interventions" happened, that they were trying to intervene in order to get Michael on board for their tour, to get him back with the brothers.

It's also not an issue of "Oh well, you just don't want to think of him as being an Addict, you don't want to face the truth, blah blah blah." Honestly, if Michael did have an ongoing and extensive issue with drug addiction, my opinion of him WOULD NOT CHANGE! This isn't about that for me. It's about WHAT THE FLIPPIN' TRUTH IS!

I swear to God that the last several days have been an emotional train wreck for me and I cannot even begin to say everything I have wanted to say. But I will add that I HAVE HAD IT! I will take Michael's word and MEDICAL FACT over hearsay by people who have only "heard" things and have made assumptions to fit what they want to believe.

I HAVE TRUTH ON MY SIDE, OF WHICH I HAVE BASED MY LOGICAL AND REASONABLE OPINIONS ON, AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT!
post of the decade. and if u dont mind im gonna save that to keep for when the numpties need putting in their place

[prismsagainst5live]

Did Katherine just not read the contract. Arghhhh.

[elusive moonwalker]

maybe she handed them on a plate to mann for more $

[Petrarose]

I cannot believe this news about the contract. I hope the kids lawyer is aware of this, if it is true. Katherine needs a lot of prayers. Does she understand what a horrible thing this is. No wonder you guys said the kids did not look interested to be there with Oprah. The problem is that when they are of age and begin thinking of how they were used, they are going to have the same feelings Michael had against those who used him for money only, even though they will still love these people.

[Ashtanga]

check this guys http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3070454

TMZ leaked the contract between Katherine and Howard Mann. apparently the kids are in it. and the contracts binds "KJ party" to appear in interviews. So there you go.

:wtf:


God.... :doh:

[Ingelief]

is this real? i mean can they do that to the children without there aproval?

[MsCassieMollie]

Well it's TMZ....

[riviera1992]

I've got so many issues with the Oprah interview that it would just take too long to list them all, but the one that stood out the most was this: Oprah's questioning style was so full of her own opinions about things that it looked more like she was trying to pass her own opinions on Michael as those of Michael's mother, and it looks like she's succeeded. Katherine gave an okay answer about the propofol thing, which leads me to believe that she may have been taught how to answer that question, but for the most part Katherine was just eating up everything Oprah offered to her.

It didn't even look like the record was set straight on anything, as the whole interview revolved around three topics we've all heard a million times before: plastic surgery, the 2003-2005 trial and drugs. It wasn't all a terrible fiasco though, since it was obvious from some moments just how much Katherine loved Michael and how she misses him every day. Those moments even made me tear up because I could see how she's still in pain. But at the same time it's kind of telling that the best answers Katherine gave were the ones she couldn't really put into words, like her grief. Sure she's allowed to have her own opinions about things but why would she deliberately go and say something like Michael may have been addicted to plastic surgery or drugs when he's not even here anymore to prove otherwise? That kind of speculation doesn't lead anywhere, and who really cares about the plastic surgery anyway. It hardly comes as a surprise to anyone that Michael had a few plastic surgeries done, the least of all to his mum.

In the end it was a good thing that Prince and Paris were there since they seemed like the only ones who weren't sucked in by Oprah's tactics. Prince especially was really interesting to watch, as he looked like he just wanted to get out of there and made sure that he said as little as possible to Oprah. He kind of looked like he didn't trust Oprah at all, whereas Paris spoke a bit more but she made sure that nothing she said could be turned into lies. But I just don't get how hypocritical Oprah was when she was talking to the kids and to Katherine about the kids. She was all "Oh, aren't you kids wonderful and I'm so sorry about your dad, BUT aren't you glad things are more normal for you now?" I was just sitting there thinking "WTF?! These three are probably the three most level-headed celebrity kids I've ever seen. Don't you think that might be BECAUSE Michael kept them away from the spotlight for so long, and not in spite of it?" It just makes me so angry how some, especially Oprah, are constantly trying to undermine Michael's accomplishments as a father while at the same time they all admit that the children are really smart and well-mannered. They can't have it both ways and it's about time Oprah and the rest of the idiotic members of the media realize that the three "most normal" (if there is such a thing as normal anyway) members of the family are Michael's kids, the children of the same man that they called an unfit parent all his life. I guess some people just can't stand to be wrong so they have to twist the facts to make them fit their own agenda.End rant.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I sooo wonder what Debbie Rowe thinks about all this? Between the Oprah fiasco and the contract with Mann, I don't know how she can stay silent.
But since Schaffel's been befriending her, who knows?

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[X_AGNES_X]

check this guys http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3070454

TMZ leaked the contract between Katherine and Howard Mann. apparently the kids are in it. and the contracts binds "KJ party" to appear in interviews. So there you go.

i kept trying to give her the benefit of doubt all along.i just can't anymore.
do whatever they want to do but LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

[virginia_woolf]

Well it's TMZ....
But the contract is real.

[twinklEE]

DON'T CARE???....Who are you to say his mother don't care? See gave birth to him, yes she talked about some obvious imperfections MJ had, but that is good to accept the truth sometimes it sets you free. She only promoted that book for less than one minute of the entire show, that was not her main gold. You fans need to get over it and recognise that Michael had faults just like me and you. And they will always be magnified; and as usaual his good qualities will be ignored. Personally I think it was a good thing they ended up on Oprah for once and defended their FATHER!
Actions speak louder than words, and their actions have spoken LOUD AND CLEAR. What will happen next year? This year barely 15 months after his death they were put on Oprah, what will happen next year? Oh yeah I'm sure there are enough of dubious Howard Mann and Katherine JAckson's projects to promote, will probably end up with Martin Bashir. The truth is the AUTOPSY, the truth doesn't come from cash strapped people.

[Moulin Rouge]

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I sooo wonder what Debbie Rowe thinks about all this? Between the Oprah fiasco and the contract with Mann, I don't know how she can stay silent.
But since Schaffel's been befriending her, who knows?

---------

She has more important things to worry about like the well being of her horses. :scratch:

[Justthefacts]

:clapping::clapping::clapping:

I sooo wonder what Debbie Rowe thinks about all this? Between the Oprah fiasco and the contract with Mann, I don't know how she can stay silent.
But since Schaffel's been befriending her, who knows?

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IMO Debbie Rowe is jut as much involved in this has Mrs Jackson. Her buddy Marc is in it then she at least knows about it and does nothing. Don't be fooled. No one took care of those kids like there father did and no one ever will so sad

[MJStorm]

Actions speak louder than words, and their actions have spoken LOUD AND CLEAR. What will happen next year? This year barely 15 months after his death they were put on Oprah, what will happen next year? Oh yeah I'm sure there are enough of dubious Howard Mann and Katherine JAckson's projects to promote, will probably end up with Martin Bashir. The truth is the AUTOPSY, the truth doesn't come from cash strapped people.

Debbie, where are you??? Diana Ross??? Anyone!!!!!

[xrisx]

Okay I just randomly saw the the Louis Theroux documentary of Michael on tv just now and I wish everyone here would watch it again.
The documentary shows just how shady some of the people surrounding Joe and Michael are but it also shows an interview with his father in which he said something that now caught my eye.
Joe gets asked about Michael's nose and this was how he replied:

Louis: When you look at his nose, what do you think?
Joe: I don't think anything, if that's what he wanted. It's up to him.
He will not like for me to talk about his nose. I'm not going to make him mad for talking about this with someone from the BBC.

Joe: What I should be talking about is why you guys call him J---- W----.
You can see the interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zujf9gbs-Rs

It's kind of crazy that back then Joe was actually doing/saying what a lot of fans hoped Katherine was going to say in the Oprah interview.

[twinklEE]

IMO Debbie Rowe is jut as much involved in this has Mrs Jackson. Her buddy Marc is in it then she at least knows about it and does nothing. Don't be fooled. No one took care of those kids like there father did and no one ever will so sad
Agree very much, people are taking advantage of the fact that the only parent they had died, they have no one, they are orphans.

[twinklEE]

Okay I just randomly saw the the Louis Theroux documentary of Michael on tv just now and I wish everyone here would watch it again.
The documentary shows just how shady some of the people surrounding Joe and Michael are but it also shows an interview with his father in which he said something that now caught my eye.
Joe gets asked about Michael's nose and this was how he replied:

Louis: When you look at his nose, what do you think?
Joe: I don't think anything, if that's what he wanted. It's up to him.
He will not like for me to talk about his nose. I'm not going to make him mad for talking about this with someone from the BBC.

Joe: What I should be talking about is why you guys call him J---- W----.
You can see the interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zujf9gbs-Rs

It's kind of crazy that back then Joe was actually doing/saying what a lot of fans hoped Katherine was going to say in the Oprah interview.
back then their cash cow was alive and providing through Katherine, now he is dead and left them empty handed a VERY BIG difference.

[xrisx]

^ I know that's why I thought it was interesting to watch things like that again.
It shows the difference in a way.

[Ashtanga]

Debbie, where are you??? Diana Ross??? Anyone!!!!!


I've been thinking a lot about Diana. Maybe it was better for children to have had her. Diana is a very private, discreet and after June 25, she gave no interview talking about Michael. She was right and did it right. She preferred to remain silent with their pain and feelings. She does not feed the press as many are doing.

Debbie... I do not know. I do not know if she has some kind of contact with children. Maybe she talked to Katie by phone or in personally. (???) It's difficult to know. Well, she is the mother, although she is far away, I believe she worries with children and wants the best for them.

Many things must be happening behind the scenes. :thinking: :fear:

I will strengthen my prayers for PPB. :angel:

[music65]

Oh Pleeeeease you all need to stop this rubbish!!....

[smoothlugar]

Debbie... I do not know. I do not know if she has some kind of contact with children. Maybe she talked to Katie by phone or in personally. (???) It's difficult to know.


In Katherine's interview in June with Dateline NBC, around minute 7', it's said that she continues visiting the children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1YZj8dAHE&feature=player_embedded

[Ashtanga]

In Katherine's interview in June with Dateline NBC, around minute 7', it's said that she continues visiting the children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1YZj8dAHE&feature=player_embedded

Hmmmmmmmmmm

I do not remember that part of the interview. Thanks for the link. :) I really hope it's true and she is close them. :angel: And will Debbie visited the children before June 25? I always wondered about it. :thinking:

[jrsfan]

I
It's because of people like you that great posters like Shimar, Williamorange, Lol007, Oceangirl, Snowhite and so on aren't in this board anymore. They dared to destroy your delusion with the truth.

I think the best one at that was always Cowgirl Sandy & all her various nics.
Truly legendary.

[elusive moonwalker]

I think the best one at that was always Cowgirl Sandy & all her various nics.
Truly legendary.

that names a blast from the past lol

[ivy]

Looks like there will be a behind the scenes episode aired on OWN channel. Don't know how much Katherine and the kids will be shown

OWN website description

8:00PM (60 minutes)

Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes
Episode 6
Oprah and team are under pressure to pull off one of Season 25's biggest shows; Michael Jackson's mother Katherine and his three children break their silence.

http://www.oprah.com/own/tv-schedule/index.html?date=2011-01-28&stype=daily

TV Guide description

Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes Episode: "Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes"
Season 1, Episode 6

Episode Synopsis: Behind the scenes of the Nov. 8, 2010 show, when Michael Jackson's parents, Katherine and Joe, recalled their son's life and the day he died (June 25, 2009), joined by his children, Paris and Princes Michael I and II, and other Jackson family members. Original Air Date: Jan 28, 2011

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/Season-25-2011/episode-6-season-1/season-25-oprah/308904

[Petrarose]

SIGH, that is all I can say.

[max000]

Totally expected this. Think Oprah was going to let all the footage taken of the kids go to waste.?

[Alma]

Pfff. More ratings coming.... Smart, snakish move to not show all at once.............. That's double exposure for the children, who never really wanted to be a part of that interview in the first place.

.....

[Big Apple2]

I figured this was coming.

According to reports, Oprah's OWN is sinking like a rock. It had a decent launching period, but has gone down every since. (Gayle King's program has also flatlined.)

Oprah needs to bring something exciting to her network and what's better than MORE footage from the interview that featured Michael's 3 children.

I hope none of the fans tune in!

I'm sure those interested will be able to watch the footage on YouTube, 2-seconds after it airs anyway. LOL!

[StacyJ]

I figured this was coming.

According to reports, Oprah's OWN is sinking like a rock. It had a decent launching period, but has gone down every since. (Gayle King's program has also flatlined.)

Oprah needs to bring something exciting to her network and what's better than MORE footage from the interview that featured Michael's 3 children.

I hope none of the fans tune in!

I'm sure those interested will be able to watch the footage on YouTube, 2-seconds after it airs anyway. LOL!


I heard the same thing.. I heard OWN is sinking fast and I hope it continues to sink. I can't stand Oprah or Gail

[xthunderx2]

what gets me about Oprah is that she kept HER own family secret for months...and only aired it so that people wouldn't find out about it and cut her up in public....I have NO IDEA WHY she keeps invading the life of Katherine Jackson and those the children....she makes me very angry. Does her show suck that bad that she needs to keep intruding.?? Enough is enough already...leave Michael the hell alone..leave his children alone.

[Tsukiji]

I figured this was coming.

According to reports, Oprah's OWN is sinking like a rock. It had a decent launching period, but has gone down every since. (Gayle King's program has also flatlined.)

Oprah needs to bring something exciting to her network and what's better than MORE footage from the interview that featured Michael's 3 children.

I hope none of the fans tune in!

I'm sure those interested will be able to watch the footage on YouTube, 2-seconds after it airs anyway. LOL!

Glad to hear it's failing, I'm just so tired of her and seems like most people feel that way ;)

[MsCassieMollie]

To be aired January 28, on Oprah's OWN network.

Behind the scenes footage of how the interview with Prince, Paris, Blanket and Katherine was prepared.

http://www.oprah.com/own/tv-schedule/index.html?date=2011-01-28&stype=daily

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[ivy]

Brace yourselves - Oprah being her regular self - mentioning sexual abuse charges during the shows preview video

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[ExoticPrincess]

Wait, wait, wait!:bugeyed

Did I hear right? did I hear the words 'she was hurt because they did'nt hear from you?????' who was hurt, Katherine? I swear to God! why would any of them care if they heard from her? you don't need hypocrits offering condolences!

And I knew this was coming, theres no way she was'nt gonna air the rest of that footage she has. That woman makes my blood boil!:evil:


yeah. it seems like the family wasn't/isn't aware of Michael's history with Oprah and how she treated him.



They are very aware of this, Randy made that point very clear. What I don't understand is, if they are so aware, how is it that Janet (numerous times), Jackie, Katherine, Tito, Joe seems to not have a problem appearing on her show? The woman has stopped short of completely saying she thinks MJ is guilty! How do they reconcile that?

[AnnieRUOkay89]

This woman.....I can't even put in words how I feel right now. :no:

[Memefan]

Well... Oprah makes me sick but she is not the only one TO blame. Who gave her access to three minor kids? She did not kidnap them as far as I can tell ... But maybe she did. So it's not ALL lady Choprah exploiting minor kids.

[ivy]

yeah. it seems like the family wasn't/isn't aware of Michael's history with Oprah and how she treated him.

- I remember Oprah being asked why she didn't go to Michael's memorial and she had said something like "because we weren't friends". To me that was the most honest statement that came from Oprah.

[StacyJ]

yeah. it seems like the family wasn't/isn't aware of Michael's history with Oprah and how she treated him.

- I remember Oprah being asked why she didn't go to Michael's memorial and she had said something like "because we weren't friends". To me that was the most honest statement that came from Oprah.

That's not true.. they know or at least Randy knows

[ivy]

That's not true.. they know or at least Randy knows

Randy wasn't aware of the interview per his own words. (Taj knew the interview but didn't know that the kids were paraded around)

so
- either the Jackson's (whomever they might be) that supported/authorized this interview was unaware or didn't care

or

- the communication amongst Jackson's are so bad that the ones aware doesn't tell it to the ones that weren't aware.

[rainny]

Didn't Karen Faye post about some brothers asking Katherine not to

go on Oprah, but that she ignored it?

[ivy]

Interesting. Oprah removed the preview video.

[xthunderx2]

Interesting. Oprah removed the preview video.
maybe she was feeling the eyes of a million Mj fans burning through her head. Not but really maybe she rethought her show...

[ivy]

nah they just uploaded it again.

[max000]

Who really advises Katherine.? What about the nephew in the shadows, she always mentions.?

[xthunderx2]

nah they just uploaded it again.
oh..:(..thanks for posting.

[Petrarose]

I figured this was coming.

According to reports, Oprah's OWN is sinking like a rock. It had a decent launching period, but has gone down every since. (Gayle King's program has also flatlined.)

Oprah needs to bring something exciting to her network and what's better than MORE footage from the interview that featured Michael's 3 children.

I hope none of the fans tune in!

I'm sure those interested will be able to watch the footage on YouTube, 2-seconds after it airs anyway. LOL!

Ah, I said before that those who were unjust to Michael are beginning to face difficulties. The kids' footage will not last too long, so lets see how great OWN will be without Michael Jackson.

[tofdel1]

Oprah is nothing but a Heffer. :D

[JMie]

Oprah is hopeless

[Bridgett_361]

It look like story is coming full circle,
So Katherine was hurt she did not hear from oprah?
She tell oprah we talk about anything "even the charges agains poor micheal?
And we the fan blame it all on oprah?

Michael I am just glad you are not hear to see you beloved mother sell you out like this because it would sure kill you.
I am not going to turn on oprah network and watch this betrayal to Michael and I am asking my fellow fans for the love of Michael don't support this , those video will be on YouTube please hold out and don't watch it.
It's too late for some of us to tell him and show him how much we really love but we can show his 3 beloved children how much we really love and support there father because I don't think MJ really have anyone who did truly love him but us the fans.

[144,000]

yep..oprah knows who buttered her international bread. and she continues to harpo on it..even if she is moving to cable.

[MJStorm]

It was a case of good news-bad news for Oprah Winfrey today when the ratings for the heavily hyped Monday edition of her syndicated show as well as last week's ratings for her cable network OWN came in. The Monday episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show, in which Oprah revealed that she has a half-sister, drew a 9.7 household rating/22 share in the metered markets, the show's highest numbers in 6 years, since the after-Oscars broadcast on Feb. 28, 2005, which posted a 10.8/23.

Meanwhile, according to the basic cable ratings for last week released today, OWN's ratings continued to slide in its third full week on the air. For the week of Jan. 17, OWN averaged 297,000 viewers in primetime, down 4% from the previous week. (The network launched on Jan. 1, with an average of 1.1 viewers in primetime for its debut weekend, then averaged 387,000 in its first full week.) OWN continues to trail all of its female-oriented cable competition, including Lifetime (817,000), Oxygen (547,000) and WE (322,000). The highest-rated OWN program was special Ask Oprah's All Stars (539,000). Meanwhile, the daily talk show of Oprah's best friend Gayle King, which airs daily in the morning, was once again at the bottom of the ratings, drawing between 105,000-148,000 from Monday-Friday, down from the week before. Despite the minuscule ratings, the show, a TV version of King's daily radio show, is not necessarily in danger. During her session at TCA, Oprah said that on some shows, "even if (viewers) don’t respond, I will keep them. Because I can."

http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/oprah-ratings-her-syndication-show-is-up-her-cable-network-is-down/

PS: I can not understand. Why do 'Americans' like that bitch? At least her channel is a failure.

[twinklEE]

yep..oprah knows who buttered her international bread. and she continues to harpo on it..even if she is moving to cable.
she knows it damn well..

It was a case of good news-bad news for Oprah Winfrey today when the ratings for the heavily hyped Monday edition of her syndicated show as well as last week's ratings for her cable network OWN came in. The Monday episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show, in which Oprah revealed that she has a half-sister, drew a 9.7 household rating/22 share in the metered markets, the show's highest numbers in 6 years, since the after-Oscars broadcast on Feb. 28, 2005, which posted a 10.8/23.

Meanwhile, according to the basic cable ratings for last week released today, OWN's ratings continued to slide in its third full week on the air. For the week of Jan. 17, OWN averaged 297,000 viewers in primetime, down 4% from the previous week. (The network launched on Jan. 1, with an average of 1.1 viewers in primetime for its debut weekend, then averaged 387,000 in its first full week.) OWN continues to trail all of its female-oriented cable competition, including Lifetime (817,000), Oxygen (547,000) and WE (322,000). The highest-rated OWN program was special Ask Oprah's All Stars (539,000). Meanwhile, the daily talk show of Oprah's best friend Gayle King, which airs daily in the morning, was once again at the bottom of the ratings, drawing between 105,000-148,000 from Monday-Friday, down from the week before. Despite the minuscule ratings, the show, a TV version of King's daily radio show, is not necessarily in danger. During her session at TCA, Oprah said that on some shows, "even if (viewers) don’t respond, I will keep them. Because I can."

http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/oprah-ratings-her-syndication-show-is-up-her-cable-network-is-down/

PS: I can not understand. Why do 'Americans' like that bitch? At least her channel is a failure.
serves her right, hope she fails from now on. I don't get all this Oprah hype either, never got it to begin with. thanks god I never fell for her

[TheChosenOne]

Earlier in this thread we talked about Gayle King declaring that it was Mrs Jackson who desperately wanted to be on Oprah.

This remark about being disappointed about not hearing from Oprah speaks volumes to that.

I don't know if I should hold out any hope but I do hope that the behind the scenes footage will show in better context that Mrs Jackson tried to show the side of Michael that we know and love. Since she did not have editing control, the final product may not have been to her liking. It is a foolish hope but a hope all the same.

If, however, it is clear that that interview was on the behest of Mrs Jackson for the sole purpose of exploiting Michael's name and his children to sell a book[/U], I am officially done.

And there can be no excusing it.

[Ashtanga]

Oprah really has no way.... :perrin: I can not stand it. :puke:

[xthunderx2]

she knows it damn well..

serves her right, hope she fails from now on. I don't get all this Oprah hype either, never got it to begin with. thanks god I never fell for her
i never fellfor Oprah either..I could really never stand to watch her show. what I did enjoy was her performance in The color purple. She was in that Movie with Whoopi. But other than that...sorry Oprah..I am not a fan...because you are a witch.

[8701girl]

yep..oprah knows who buttered her international bread. and she continues to harpo on it..even if she is moving to cable.


yep and it just shows how sick & obsessed she is bout mj

[strawberry45220]

to be honest I am kinda of surprised she is showing this , I know she is aware of the heat she got for showing the interview. and I don't buy that Katherine Jackson was hurt by them not hearing from oprah, I mean all stuff aside what idications did she ever get that Michael and Oprah were ever friends , they never hung out , there no any idication that they talked regualry or nothing , she just interviewed him 18 years ago , that's it. that never made her his friend imo. To me it sounds like Oprah doesn't want to aknowledege why people are upset really over interview.

[prettygirlmj]

Looks like there will be a behind the scenes episode aired on OWN channel. Don't know how much Katherine and the kids will be shown

OWN website description

8:00PM (60 minutes)

Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes
Episode 6
Oprah and team are under pressure to pull off one of Season 25's biggest shows; Michael Jackson's mother Katherine and his three children break their silence.

http://www.oprah.com/own/tv-schedule/index.html?date=2011-01-28&stype=daily

TV Guide description

Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes Episode: "Season 25: Oprah Behind the Scenes"
Season 1, Episode 6

Episode Synopsis: Behind the scenes of the Nov. 8, 2010 show, when Michael Jackson's parents, Katherine and Joe, recalled their son's life and the day he died (June 25, 2009), joined by his children, Paris and Princes Michael I and II, and other Jackson family members. Original Air Date: Jan 28, 2011

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/Season-25-2011/episode-6-season-1/season-25-oprah/308904

Oprah's ratings are very low for her OWN cable channel. She knows MJ fans are gonna flock to her channel to see this because it's about Michael not to mention his 3 kids will be paraded around AGAIN.

[Thetruthbetold]

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good night all

[xthunderx2]

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good night all
:lmao:...thank you for this......brilliant...:clapping:

[TheChosenOne]

A bit over the top, I think.

Yes, Oprah dislikes Michael and has nothing but contempt for his family but it does not make her the devil.

[xthunderx2]

A bit over the top, I think.

Yes, Oprah dislikes Michael and has nothing but contempt for his family but it does not make her the devil.
sorry...I am now ashamed that I clapped.:ninja:

[144,000]

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good night all

welcome back, Truthbetold. Soooo welcome back! :lmao:


A bit over the top, I think.

Yes, Oprah dislikes Michael and has nothing but contempt for his family but it does not make her the devil.

well..let me think on that a moment....:evil:

after all she went through, you'd think she would know better than to not sell to the machine, and that she would have empathy for Michael. not to mention what he had done, positively for her career. it's hard not to believe that, at least, she sold her soul to the horny guy. certainly, to the media that runs her.

[Petrarose]

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good night all

Ha Ha. I love the purple one.

[The Healer]

I can"t stand Oprah. For a long, long time...
When I remember how she was all over Michael at Neverland....he gave her the interview of a lifetime and highest ratings ever. She is greedy for money.
I guess she recognized herself in Michael"s song " Money ". As well as many other voltures. As I said before..I am not a forgiving person and I wish her cable would go down the hill.

[Big Apple2]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but I just saw ANOTHER little clip.

And it "almost" sounds like Oprah AND her crew are clowning the Jackson's.

Oprah and somebody from her crew are talking about the number of people who are in the house. Why are so many people in the house for this interview is the question they keep asking.

Oprah says something like: Katherine's people are here, Joe Jackson's people are here, there are friends and family here. She doesn't understand why, she says she's there to interview Katherine.

One young lady from Oprah's crew talks about the CONFUSION, because there are so many people in the house.

At one point in the clip, it looks like there are a bunch of YOUNG folks surrounding Oprah. And Oprah is saying: hi, hi, hi, hi.

I'll say one thing, from that clip, it does appear that there are a WHOLE BUNCH of folks in that house. LOL!

[tofdel1]

Steve Harvey is on Gayles show. Liza Manelli is on Behind the scenes WTF?? Hope they had something possitive to say.

What I wanna know is, what did Liza mean when she said " just wait until the Autopsy comes out. All Hell is gonna break loose" On Larry King. Did she ever explain? Anyone know?

[StacyJ]

Steve Harvey is on Gayles show. Liza Manelli is on Behind the scenes WTF?? Hope they had something possitive to say.

What I wanna know is, what did Liza mean when she said " just wait until the Autopsy comes out. All Hell is gonna break loose" On Larry King. Did she ever explain? Anyone know?

Liza Minelli?? what is she doing there... and obviously Minelli was wrong. She was accusing MJ of being an addict to and basically thought he o'd himself on painkillers too. They were all wrong. MJ was a victim of a homicide by his doctor and not one of them has apologized to him for being wrong.

[Joyce]

"I love that Opie Siggy!!!"

Isn't it funny that after all these years on television interviewing many celebrities and politicians, all she'll ever be known or remembered for is her romantic obsession for Michael Jackson. That is so hilarious!! All those years wasted obsessing over a man who was kind and respectful towards her, but never personally interested in Opie, and she is livid. What can I say? Too Bad, Too Bad :)

[Alma]

Something funny (not inspired now to think of other word), but strange. One of her nicknames and production houses is called Harpo, her name Oprah reversed (somebody mentioning the devil a few posts back), while her new cable network is called OWN, a.k.a. the Oprah Winfrey Network, and backwards it's NWO. Just a personal observation, not to start anything, thought it was interesting, as so-called coincidences are.

[ExoticPrincess]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but I just saw ANOTHER little clip.

And it "almost" sounds like Oprah AND her crew are clowning the Jackson's.

Oprah and somebody from her crew are talking about the number of people who are in the house. Why are so many people in the house for this interview is the question they keep asking.

Oprah says something like: Katherine's people are here, Joe Jackson's people are here, there are friends and family here. She doesn't understand why, she says she's there to interview Katherine.

One young lady from Oprah's crew talks about the CONFUSION, because there are so many people in the house.

At one point in the clip, it looks like there are a bunch of YOUNG folks surrounding Oprah. And Oprah is saying: hi, hi, hi, hi.

I'll say one thing, from that clip, it does appear that there are a WHOLE BUNCH of folks in that house. LOL!

I just have to laugh at this :D, I bet you she's gonna make them look pathetic!

She already got the 'big get' -( the kids)......she does'nt give a damn about them now.

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

Brace yourselves - Oprah being her regular self - mentioning sexual abuse charges during the shows preview video

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'including the ehh, sexual abuse charges' ?!!!! her face when she said that was weird. she has some sick obsession with the sexual abuse charges.

[marebear]

She doesn't care about Michael or the Jackson family. I cannot stand her. Katherine embraced a woman who thinks her son did bad things to children. Oprah will never change her opinion of Michael.

[ginvid]

yeah. it seems like the family wasn't/isn't aware of Michael's history with Oprah and how she treated him.

- I remember Oprah being asked why she didn't go to Michael's memorial and she had said something like "because we weren't friends". To me that was the most honest statement that came from Oprah.

Randy was aware of it as was one of the biys from 3T (I can't remember which one). From what I remember they tweeted that they were aware of what Oprah had done /said before but they wanted to set the record straight.

[prettygirlmj]

They gave a small preview on ET different from the clip given here on this thread. They show how after Katherine spoke about Paris saying "Grandma where are we going now?" Oprah yells out "stop the camera's" and the camera aims to the people behind filming. One lady was crying when Katherine said that about Paris.

Oprah was just heartless. No emotion from her at all.

[twinklEE]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but I just saw ANOTHER little clip.

And it "almost" sounds like Oprah AND her crew are clowning the Jackson's.

Oprah and somebody from her crew are talking about the number of people who are in the house. Why are so many people in the house for this interview is the question they keep asking.

Oprah says something like: Katherine's people are here, Joe Jackson's people are here, there are friends and family here. She doesn't understand why, she says she's there to interview Katherine.

One young lady from Oprah's crew talks about the CONFUSION, because there are so many people in the house.

At one point in the clip, it looks like there are a bunch of YOUNG folks surrounding Oprah. And Oprah is saying: hi, hi, hi, hi.

I'll say one thing, from that clip, it does appear that there are a WHOLE BUNCH of folks in that house. LOL!

LMAO, This sounds ridiculous, many said it before me and I'm gonna repeat it, they're like a tribe of their own! LOL!

Maybe the young folks were the endless offspring of Michael's siblings?

[earthlyme]

I must say that I think Oprah might be a nice person and giving but NEVER liked how she treated Michael on most of her shows. but like Nancii said, there's no need to treat her like a devil.


L.o.v.e.
Romi

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

...
What I wanna know is, what did Liza mean when she said " just wait until the Autopsy comes out. All Hell is gonna break loose" On Larry King. Did she ever explain? Anyone know?

I just hope it doesn't mean Brian Oxman is calling her to explain the coroner's report to her. :smilerolleyes:

UOTE=Alma;3218013]Something funny (not inspired now to think of other word), but strange. One of her nicknames and production houses is called Harpo, her name Oprah reversed (somebody mentioning the devil a few posts back), while her new cable network is called OWN, a.k.a. the Oprah Winfrey Network, and backwards it's NWO. Just a personal observation, not to start anything, thought it was interesting, as so-called coincidences are.[/QUOTE]

I certainly cause my own earthquakes when anger rises in me for the 15849058439834095830958309508359045804 HARPing on the 'sexual abuse allegations'.

If it wasn't so sad, I'd be laughing.

[prettygirlmj]

Oprah is part of the Illuminati. It explains her actions loud and clear.

[souldreamer7]

I must say that I think Oprah might be a nice person and giving but NEVER liked how she treated Michael on most of her shows. there's no need to treat her like a devil.


L.o.v.e.
Romi


:agree:

[marebear]

They gave a small preview on ET different from the clip given here on this thread. They show how after Katherine spoke about Paris saying "Grandma where are we going now?" Oprah yells out "stop the camera's" and the camera aims to the people behind filming. One lady was crying when Katherine said that about Paris.

Oprah was just heartless. No emotion from her at all.

One of the camera people were crying?

[earthlyme]

So I'm watching it right now and its funny how the exc. producer said, "When ever I turned around, there are more people in the house. There are Mrs. Jackson's people and Mr. Jackson's People, then there are family friends and their people... " :lol:

Everything seems shady when it relates to Joe though. He wasn't even supposed to be on the show...

And one said that Joe was very flirtatious...


L.o.v.e.
Romi

[prettygirlmj]

One of the camera people were crying?

In the ET clip yeah. Might be one of Oprah's producer's.

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Something funny (not inspired now to think of other word), but strange. One of her nicknames and production houses is called Harpo, her name Oprah reversed (somebody mentioning the devil a few posts back), while her new cable network is called OWN, a.k.a. the Oprah Winfrey Network, and backwards it's NWO. Just a personal observation, not to start anything, thought it was interesting, as so-called coincidences are.

I believe Harpo was in reference to The Color Purple. Which basically put her on the map as far as fame and fortune goes.

[earthlyme]

I think Joe was just Awkward... Omg!!


L.o.v.e.
Romi

[ginvid]

I believe Harpo was in reference to The Color Purple. Which basically put her on the map as far as fame and fortune goes.

She got the name from spelling Oprah backwards.

[suzynyc]

Well, I just watched the Behind the Scenes show and here's my opinion. I really enjoyed it. It was very interesting. LOL too funny how Joe weaseled his way into the interview. Katherine is very sweet. How she told Oprah that as a black woman she was proud of her. And that she wanted to cry but was holding it back. I so feel for her. I know you guys will and probably already have nit picked and picked apart everything but I just enjoyed this show.

[Pace,MioDolceCuore]

...

And one said that Joe was very flirtatious...


L.o.v.e.
Romi


EEEK. :bugeyed:bugeyed

Everything about the entire show was awkward and creepy. All of it.

(I only saw the actual interview online, not the behind the scenes)

[marebear]

In the ET clip yeah. Might be one of Oprah's producer's.

That's when she yelled to stop the camera? I don't like her. She never showed any emotions talking to Katherine. I remember that interview where whenever Katherine got choked up I did too. Oprah just looks and asks the next question. I wished that Katherine had talked to someone else. Somebody that cared about Michael and her family.

[suzynyc]

Also at the end when Oprah is saying goodbye to Katherine and she tells her she would like to call her sometime and talk to her without all the cameras. Oprah tells the viewing audience that she can see why Michael loved her so much.

[StacyJ]

what was Katherine going to cry about but was holding it back?

[max000]

I watched it too. I loved the finished product. This i did not like at all. I was steaming as i watched. Hated how the producers gloated about bagging the kids. They called the kids the interview of the century. Oprah, complained about all the people in the house. What about all the people she brought. What the hell was gail doing there.

And Oprah lied. She said she had no contact with MJ after the '93 interview because MJ never called her, he did not want to be friends. My mom screamed when she said that. Mom said within a few weeks of the interview Oprah had Deepak Chopra on her show and told the world MJ called her pleading to have him on the show. To think that snake Chopra was using MJ from the get go.

Much of what Oprah said was for the ears of MJ'S fans. And good old joe was there pushing one of his talents.

[8701girl]

Oprah is just a user- plain & simple!

[bluetopez]

Oprah asked Katherine to get together off camera just the two of them! Now she wants to be friends with Katherine but, couldn't and didn't do the same with Mike because he didn't approach her to be friends? O_o Dumb! Is that the reason why she felt she can bad mouth him? Cause they wasn't friends?! U still show respect to someone regardless! Especially if u don't have the facts about certain things!

I guess becoming friends with Katherine will maybe finally (doubt it) change her mind about the MJ allegations regarding kids!? But, now Oprah will became even more convinced MJ was an addict hanging around any Jackson! So nothing good can come out of that "friendship" in the end IMO! SMH

[suzynyc]

I watched it too. I loved the finished product. This i did not like at all. I was steaming as i watched. Hated how the producers gloated about bagging the kids. They called the kids the interview of the century. Oprah, complained about all the people in the house. What about all the people she brought. What the hell was gail doing there.

And Oprah lied. She said she had no contact with MJ after the '93 interview because MJ never called her, he did not want to be friends. My mom screamed when she said that. Mom said within a few weeks of the interview Oprah had Deepak Chopra on her show and told the world MJ called her pleading to have him on the show. To think that snake Chopra was using MJ from the get go.

Much of what Oprah said was for the ears of MJ'S fans. And good old joe was there pushing one of his talents.

First of all those producers work on a talk show. Their jobs are to nab the biggest guests. Michael Jackson's kids are pretty famous so of course they are going to try to get that interview. It's their jobs. It's what they do.

Secondly why would Oprah lie about MJ calling her? And even if he did call to beg her to have Chopra on, that sounds like a business call. Not a let's get together for lunch call.

Also, Oprah felt a connection with Katherine. I guess on a female level. So what if she never felt that with MJ.

Oprah is not the devil. Like so many of us, she is not perfect. She may need to learn a few things about MJ, but she's not evil.

Oh and just because she doesn't cry during her interviews doesn't make her a cold person. I find her to be pretty warm.

You people really need to let go of your anger.

[xthunderx2]

Oprah asked Katherine to get together off camera just the two of them! Now she wants to be friends with Katherine but, couldn't and didn't do the same with Mike because he didn't approach her to be friends? O_o Dumb! Is that the reason why she felt she can bad mouth him? Cause they wasn't friends?! U still show respect to someone regardless! Especially if u don't have the facts about certain things!

I guess becoming friends with Katherine will maybe finally (doubt it) change her mind about the MJ allegations regarding kids!? But, now Oprah will became even more convinced MJ was an addict hanging around any Jackson! So nothing good can come out of that "friendship" in the end IMO! SMH
Ain't that the truth!!! have no idea how many more shows Oprah will do on Michael.....put it this way....the older the kids get..the more interviews she will do..because she WILL BE ALLOWED to get a upfront look into their personal lives..the next thing you know,,,she will be asking THEM personal questions about Michael. She makes me sick....all she cares about is a story..not the truth. Blahh

[144,000]

First of all those producers work on a talk show. Their jobs are to nab the biggest guests. Michael Jackson's kids are pretty famous so of course they are going to try to get that interview. It's their jobs. It's what they do.

Secondly why would Oprah lie about MJ calling her? And even if he did call to beg her to have Chopra on, that sounds like a business call. Not a let's get together for lunch call.

Also, Oprah felt a connection with Katherine. I guess on a female level. So what if she never felt that with MJ.

Oprah is not the devil. Like so many of us, she is not perfect. She may need to learn a few things about MJ, but she's not evil.

Oh and just because she doesn't cry during her interviews doesn't make her a cold person. I find her to be pretty warm.

You people really need to let go of your anger.

just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have anger issues. would you like someone to diagnose you with anger issues if you disagreed with what they had to say?

[marebear]

No she isn't perfect. But she didn't have to badmouth and make Michael look guilty on her shows during his trial and such influencing people. Oprah influences people. She doesn't like Michael. She wants to be friends with Katherine and that means she can more access to his children. Her and Michael didn't have to be friends but she didn't have to be so judgmental and harsh towards him when he was nothing but kind and generous to her when she interviewed. When Michael died everyone wondered why Oprah said nothing when weeks and weeks went by. I don't think she cared. Then she does a show on him and has to constantly remind everyone that is was "before the allegations". Not once, twice but at least like 3 or 4 times.


She has made it pretty obvious she thinks he was guilty. After Michael died I thought maybe she would understand better or see him better but she doesn't. To see her with his children made me cringe. I doubt that Michael would want them interviewed by Oprah and for his children to be considered a great nab for ratings. He wanted his children away from that.

[max000]

First of all those producers work on a talk show. Their jobs are to nab the biggest guests. Michael Jackson's kids are pretty famous so of course they are going to try to get that interview. It's their jobs. It's what they do.

Secondly why would Oprah lie about MJ calling her? And even if he did call to beg her to have Chopra on, that sounds like a business call. Not a let's get together for lunch call.

Also, Oprah felt a connection with Katherine. I guess on a female level. So what if she never felt that with MJ.

Oprah is not the devil. Like so many of us, she is not perfect. She may need to learn a few things about MJ, but she's not evil.

Oh and just because she doesn't cry during her interviews doesn't make her a cold person. I find her to be pretty warm.

You people really need to let go of your anger.


Hi suzynyc, phony and fraud are the harshest words i ever called Oprah. Once upon a time Oprah was the #2 person i admired most in this world. When my mom was throwing darts at her, i defended her to the max. Untill i realised that she is indeed a phony and fraud, with no back bone what so ever.

She did not have to say MJ was innoccent. However she could have said innocent untill proven guilty, let him have his day in court, something other than her deafening silence.

Yes hated how she and her producers salivated landed his kids for that interview. When he was alive he was a punch line to all of them. Beyond pissed at how it all went down.

[ivy]

From Oprah website

On February 10, 1993, Oprah sat down with Michael Jackson for what would be the most-watched interview in television history. Michael, a fiercely private entertainer, had refused to give an interview for 14 years. The unprecedented live event drew a worldwide audience of 90 million people. "It was the most exciting interview I'd ever done because it was live around the world," Oprah says. "It's the only time that I can recall being so nervous that my knees were literally shaking."

For months, booking director Cindy and booking manager Erin have been working to secure an interview with Michael's mother, Katherine. "Seeing Michael Jackson through the eyes of his mother, Katherine Jackson, would be of major interest to me and also to our viewers," Oprah says.

Finally, at the start of the season, the team gets the call they've been waiting for—and more. Katherine has agreed to do the interview, along with Michael's three children, Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket. "This will be the world exclusive," Erin says.

Cindy, Erin and senior supervising producer Andrea can't wait to share the news and interrupt a meeting in executive producer Sheri's office. "I think that's the biggest interview we can get this year," Cindy says.

The team gives Oprah the good news in their pre-show meeting. "When we first started pursuing the Jackson interview, we never told Oprah that Michael's children might be a part of the interview because one of my booking mottos is under-promise and over-deliver," Cindy says.

Oprah is thrilled. "I never think anything's big," Oprah says. "But I think this is big."

Still, there's little time to celebrate. The conversation quickly turns to the real focus of the show. The Jacksons aren't just a famous family—they are a family coping with the loss of a beloved son and father. "The first thing I thought about, I have to say, was Michael Jackson and what would Michael Jackson say about his children being interviewed?" Oprah says. "And then, the question is how to do it in such a way that you're not exploiting the children."

Cindy has another concern to bring up to Oprah. "Mrs. Jackson told Erin her feelings were hurt that they never heard from you after the '93 interview," Cindy says.

Video of how Oprah answers : http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Katherine-Jackson-Pre-Show-Meeting-Video

The pressure is on as the team goes on location to Hayvenhurst, the Jackson family compound, to make sure that everything goes as planned. Before entering the Jackson's home for the first time, senior field producer David lays down rules for his crew. "This is a very, very, very sensitive shoot. Be on your best, most professional behavior out here. That means no smoking at all. That means cell phone conversations—don't have them," he says. "No photography at all. Do not engage anybody on the property. If you need to know something, talk to me or talk to Erin."

Driving up to the door, the weight of the situation hits Erin. Although Katherine and the children have agreed to do the interview, there's no guarantee it will actually happen. "I had some nerves and butterflies. Pulling up was the thing where I went, 'Oh wow, we're really here. Michael Jackson's childhood home where his children live today.' It becomes very real very quick," Erin says. "One misstep, [the interview] could go away."

Andrea is also feeling the pressure to make sure Katherine and the kids will talk to Oprah. "In a situation like this, you don't really know what's going to happen until you are actually there looking at someone in their eye," Andrea says. "Especially in such a high profile background situation and such a sensitive booking."

The team does everything they can to make sure there are no surprises on this shoot. While scouting the property, the show team and Jackson estate agree to have Oprah do the first part of her interview with Katherine in the library. Before it became Katherine's library, Katherine's assistant and nephew Trent tells Erin this room used to hold all of Michael's awards before they were moved to Neverland.

As furniture is moved to accommodate the cameras, a Harpo crew member takes detailed digital pictures of the room so that everything can be put back in its proper spot.

Later in the day, Trent pulls Erin aside to discuss the interview with the children. Because of the number of people involved in making this interview happen, Erin says Trent started hearing stories that Oprah might not be the one talking to them. "He expressed a lot of concern about how Michael's children would be incorporated in this interview to make sure that Mrs. Jackson felt comfortable," Erin says. "She is their grandmother. She is their protector. She will do anything to make sure that they are handled in the right way."

Erin assures him Oprah will be the only person talking to the children on camera. "The call I don't want to make is that Michael's children will not be participating," Erin says.

The day of the taping, it quickly becomes clear that nothing is certain. Inside, the team is still worried the children might decide not to talk to Oprah. Outside of Hayvenhurst's walls, paparazzi are staked out after hearing about Oprah's visit. "Today's the day of the big interview, and the first thing I want to do is make sure that the plan we discussed yesterday is the same plan that everybody's on today," Andrea says. "The worst thing that can happen now is that, you know, the kids could decide they don't want to do it."

Video of Oprah's Arrival : http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Oprah-Arrives-at-the-Jackson-Compound-Video

Complicating matters are the dozens of unexpected guests inside the compound—including Michael's father, Joe. "There were at least 50 people around. Mrs. Jackson's people. And then there's Mr. Jackson and his people. Friends of the family and their people," Andrea says. "Every time we turned around there's more people."

Video of Joe meeting Oprah : http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Joe-Jackson-Surprises-Oprah-Video

As Oprah tries to find Katherine, she's intercepted by various bystanders. "There are so many different people in the house, and I couldn't tell who all those people were," Oprah says. "I'm just trying to meet Mrs. Jackson."

Still, Oprah's confident the interview will go well. "I believe that there's almost no situation that I can't handle, and it is whatever it is," Oprah says. "I can just sort of meld into whatever that moment is. I believe in staying present, staying now, dealing with that and not worrying about what is to come."

As the interview begins in the library, Oprah asks Katherine what gave her the strength to get through the night Michael died. "Mrs. Jackson is one of the loveliest, dearest people I've ever met," Oprah says. "In that moment, I could see that she is like every other mother who has lost her son who's gone too soon. That's what I felt. That was just raw, pure, mother's love and emotion."

Erin tears up as Katherine tells her story. "I was so happy to see Mrs. Jackson and Oprah connecting," Erin says. "Mrs. Jackson finally telling the untold story of his son and his life and who he was. There was much more to him than people understood."

After speaking with Katherine in the library, Oprah heads outside to speak with Katherine and Joe in the garden. "We all didn't quite know what to do with Joe Jackson because I don't want to interview Joe Jackson. I'm not there to interview Joe Jackson, but I'm not sure Joe Jackson knows that I'm not there to interview Joe Jackson," Oprah says. "I could see he wanted to talk or was feeling like why are you talking to her and not me. I just thought, okay, let's just roll with it."

As the conversation evolves, Oprah asks Joe about whether he abused his children. "Listen, we've all heard the stories about Joe Jackson," Oprah says. "Most of the stories I heard came from his son Michael Jackson."

Video of Joe's answer : http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Joe-Jackson-and-Discipline-Video

"These are not easy, breezy questions. I mean, she is going for it," Erin says. "The kids still have not joined the interview. They still have not sat down. I'm getting nervous if the rest of this interview is going to happen."

Watch Oprah and Katherine share a special moment http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Oprah-and-Katherine-Jacksons-Special-Moment-Video

Finally, the moment the team has been waiting for arrives. Prince, Paris and Blanket greet Oprah along with a number of their cousins. "Oprah, she's got it," Erin says. "She's going to make it all happen."

Watch Oprah greet the children :http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Oprah-Meets-Michael-Jacksons-Children-Video

Over lemonade, Michael's children tell Oprah their favorite memories of their dad. "I wanted to respect the memory of Michael Jackson and not do it in such a way that we would exploit, in any way," Oprah says. "Seeing Michael Jackson through the eyes of his children makes him more real, more accessible than anybody else you could interview."

Watch Paris and Prince share their memories http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Michael-Jackson-the-Father-Video

The team couldn't be happier about the interview's outcome. "What's wonderful about the outcome of this is that the world saw Michael's children in a very different way than they did a year and a half ago at his funeral," Erin says. "You see three vibrant, thriving children who love their father."

After talking with the children, the interview wraps and the team breathes a sigh of relief. "I think my team worries more about how things are going to be—will I be OK? Will everything be OK?—more than I do," Oprah says. "Maybe one of the reasons I can do that is I have such a good team."

Mrs. Jackson then brings in a chef to prepare a special dinner for her family, Oprah and Gayle, who has come along to watch the interview.

Oprah says she felt a true connection with Katherine. "I can see why Michael loved her so much. The humanity and sweetness of her heart has remained exactly the same," Oprah says. "It's like she just moved from Gary yesterday. What I loved about that interview is that there was no pretense whatsoever and no showmanship."

After dinner, Oprah says she would like to call Katherine and sit down again—without the cameras. "I would love that," Katherine says.

Video of Oprah's team walking around the house http://www.oprah.com/own-oprah-behind-the-scenes/Exclusive-Webisode-Scouting-the-Jackson-Estate-Video

[Petrarose]

Sorry Ivy but after the first 2 paragraphs, I stopped reading. The dialog/speech seems too contrived/syrupy--reminds me of the cheap romantic novels I used to read years ago as a preteen. I wonder who sat down and wrote this? Well to each his own.

[love is magical]

Sorry Ivy but after the first 2 paragraphs, I stopped reading. The dialog/speech seems too contrived/syrupy--reminds me of the cheap romantic novels I used to read years ago as a preteen. I wonder who sat down and wrote this? Well to each his own.

Word. :yes:

[kristinaz]

Can I ask did anyone tape it I would like to see it as I missed it unfortunately.

[souldreamer7]

IMHO Katherine is the bigger woman so to speak.

[144,000]

well that report says that Katherine Jackson was concerned that Oprah never contacted the family since the 93 MJ interview. that doesn't mean the family and Michael's thoughts were necessarily the same. since we don't have MJ's say on the issue, we can't know if mj thought one way or the other about no communication with the Jackson family since 93. we only know that as being the thoughts of Katherine Jackson..not necessarily Michael Jackson. and MJ's silence on the matter is not a bad thing. people can interpret silence any way they want. and Oprah chose to interpret his slience the way she wanted. but she makes the mistake of assuming that Katherine jackson's thoughts are Michael's thoughts, on this subject.

[xthunderx2]

well that report says that katherine jackson was concerned that oprah never contacted the family since the 93 mj interview. That doesn't mean the family and michael's thoughts were necessarily the same. Since we don't have mj's say on the issue, we can't know if mj thought one way or the other about no communication with the jackson family since 93. We only know that as being the thoughts of katherine jackson..not necessarily michael jackson. And mj's silence on the matter is not a bad thing. People can interpret silence any way they want. And oprah chose to interpret his slience the way she wanted. But she makes the mistake of assuming that katherine jackson's thoughts are michael's thoughts, on this subject.
this^^^^^^^

[marebear]

What exactly did Katherine think? She assumes Michael felt the same way?

[max000]

One of Oprah producers told her 'the jacksons want to address katherine's finances." Is this the evil hand of Katherines business partner.?

Got the answer to the question i asked a few days ago. Katherine's nephew Trent is her personal assisant her everything, according to Oprah's producer. He certainly was in charge directing how the interview would go.

[noirnoar]

Thank you Ivy, I wish I can say what a lovely story, but I can't. It is so cheesy written. The bottom line is Oprah does not respect Jacksons. She will always tag molestation to Michael's name. She did it in the past she will do it in the future. Sad but true, Oprah will not change her opinion, and her friendship with Katherine, I have feelings it will be all business.

[Petrarose]

Thank you Ivy, I wish I can say what a lovely story, but I can't. It is so cheesy written. The bottom line is Oprah does not respect Jacksons. She will always tag molestation to Michael's name. She did it in the past she will do it in the future. Sad but true.

Glad you picked that up. My sentiments also.

[xthunderx2]

What exactly did Katherine think? She assumes Michael felt the same way?
katherine probably thought that it would of been nice for Oprah to do another interview after 93,,,however...Michael didn't feel the same way.

[marebear]

Thank you Ivy, I wish I can say what a lovely story, but I can't. It is so cheesy written. The bottom line is Oprah does not respect Jacksons. She will always tag molestation to Michael's name. She did it in the past she will do it in the future. Sad but true.

That's the big problem that I have with her.Other things too but that is a main one.

[ivy]

well that report says that Katherine Jackson was concerned that Oprah never contacted the family since the 93 MJ interview. that doesn't mean the family and Michael's thoughts were necessarily the same. since we don't have MJ's say on the issue, we can't know if mj thought one way or the other about no communication with the Jackson family since 93. we only know that as being the thoughts of Katherine Jackson..not necessarily Michael Jackson. and MJ's silence on the matter is not a bad thing. people can interpret silence any way they want. and Oprah chose to interpret his slience the way she wanted. but she makes the mistake of assuming that Katherine jackson's thoughts are Michael's thoughts, on this subject.

I don't think Oprah makes that assumption if you listen to her response video she says she is a professional interviewer and the interviews are business and she would never call a celebrity after an interview unless they tell her it's okay to do so. And she mentions after the interview Michael didn't say her "this was great, let's talk , let's get together , call me" etc.

I think Oprah's thoughts are more like "He was the huge super star MJ, I was the professional interviewer, He didn't want to be my friend therefore I wouldn't pressure him to be my friend"

And Oprah interviewed MJ - why would she even need to communicate with the Jacksons?

[marebear]

katherine probably thought that it would of been nice for Oprah to do another interview after 93,,,however...Michael didn't feel the same way.

I see. Does Katherine not know the things she said and did to Michael on her show over the years? I can see why Michael wouldn't want to talk to her.

[ivy]

One of Oprah producers told her 'the jacksons want to address katherine's finances." Is this the evil hand of Katherines business partner.?


I think so. It was probably to be able to say "the evil estate isn't giving me enough money". and to be clear I blame Mann for it.

[noirnoar]

reGzE0-neh0

Oprah on phone-call with Michael Jackson on her show with Quincy Jones. I believe the year is 2001

[xthunderx2]

I see. Does Katherine not know the things she said and did to Michael on her show over the years? I can see why Michael wouldn't want to talk to her.
I am sure Katherine knew the stuff that Oprah said and did to Michael,,,,sometimes I think that she tries to come across like she lives under a rock. There is noway that can be true. Anyone that lives in the world knows how mean Oprah was to Michael,,,,his own mother HAD to know.

[xthunderx2]

reGzE0-neh0

Oprah on phone-call with Michael Jackson on her show with Quincy Jones. I believe the year is 2000.
Thank you for that ...oh..I miss him so much..

[ivy]

Oprah on phone-call with Michael Jackson on her show with Quincy Jones. I believe the year is 2000.

it's from 2001

[marebear]

I missed that. These things make me miss Michael more.

[GinnyJackson]

im watching this now. im not really sure i buy that bit about her not calling because she doesn'tthink he would want to.

lol and her colon thing is like a sedation vacation... Hmmm drug addict much lol

[tofdel1]

I thought I saw Tohme in the house. Or someone who looked like him.

Joe is a doofis.

[suzynyc]

just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they have anger issues. would you like someone to diagnose you with anger issues if you disagreed with what they had to say?

Are you joking? I have followed this thread from day one. It's been nothing but anger. The bitterness is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

[lidwinee]

could someone pls share the links to watch it ?

[144,000]

Are you joking? I have followed this thread from day one. It's been nothing but anger. The bitterness is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

that's an assumption on your part. unless they all say they hate her, or say they are bitter, than it's just an assumption. a person points out what they think about what happened. that's all that can be seen in those posts.

for someone to hold onto anger, they'd have to never have anything positive to say about anyone. or anything.including anything positive to say about Michael..or..absolutely every person that ever met him. i have heard people say they are holding onto anger and bitterness, and mean it. those are the only people who i can say, are holding onto anger and bitterness, with proof. and that's true for anyone. but how do i know that people mean what they say? how does anyone know that?

[noirnoar]

could someone pls share the links to watch it ?

Here we go:

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[lidwinee]

thank you noirnoar

[144,000]

I don't think Oprah makes that assumption if you listen to her response video she says she is a professional interviewer and the interviews are business and she would never call a celebrity after an interview unless they tell her it's okay to do so. And she mentions after the interview Michael didn't say her "this was great, let's talk , let's get together , call me" etc.

I think Oprah's thoughts are more like "He was the huge super star MJ, I was the professional interviewer, He didn't want to be my friend therefore I wouldn't pressure him to be my friend"

And Oprah interviewed MJ - why would she even need to communicate with the Jacksons?

you made my point. i seperated the jacksons from Michael. she didn't. and she assumed he wasn't interested in friendship, as i have said, earlier.

[diana79]

Still, there's little time to celebrate. The conversation quickly turns to the real focus of the show. The Jacksons aren't just a famous family—they are a family coping with the loss of a beloved son and father. "The first thing I thought about, I have to say, was Michael Jackson and what would Michael Jackson say about his children being interviewed?" Oprah says. "And then, the question is how to do it in such a way that you're not exploiting the children."


So Oprah actually did think about what Michael would say about his children being interviewed. I think that anyone who knows anything about Michael would know that he would NOT want his kids to do an interview with Oprah or anyone else.

I did think that Oprah handled the interview with the kids well - she gave them the opportunity to give people a glimpse into the relationship that they had with their dad. But, it is certainly not what Michael would have wanted.

[jemini515]

^^It was interesting to see Oprah and the other staff members think through what they thought Michael would have wanted. I can see how hard it is for them to be objective given the functions of their jobs, and without substituting their judgment about what'd THEY'D want with what Michael clearly said time and again, if they just researched it (which it appears they had plenty of time to do).

Without being overly negatively I'll also say I was put-off my Joe's touchy-feely behavior toward the women on the show staff, and his insistence to be on camera, which were made so much more obvious by this behind-the-scenes feature. Also in my opinion, the kids' reluctance to talk was made more apparent when I view the extra footage.

[AndreyZidane™]

For some reason I see a lot of "Michael Jackson" in Blanket. The looks, the shyness, the all. He's almost a perfect copy of Michael Jackson the King Of Pop, not Michael Jackson the kid. I hope he'll follow his dad's steps one day and become The Prince Of Pop.

About Oprah, she's still an idiot... nothing new here.

[missred07]

Where can I find the extra footage?
I saw the video noirnoar posted (Thank you very much).
But is the video end when the kids show up?
Are there more footage?

[max000]

So Oprah actually did think about what Michael would say about his children being interviewed. I think that anyone who knows anything about Michael would know that he would NOT want his kids to do an interview with Oprah or anyone else.

I did think that Oprah handled the interview with the kids well - she gave them the opportunity to give people a glimpse into the relationship that they had with their dad. But, it is certainly not what Michael would have wanted.

I am on record saying i loved the interview. It was done respectfully. The behind the scenes show, i do not care for at all. The big GET all along was the kids not katherine.
Now, i hate that they achieved their goal. A lot of what Oprah said in the green outfit, after the fact is lip service directed at MJ fans.

[max000]

Are you joking? I have followed this thread from day one. It's been nothing but anger. The bitterness is so thick you can cut it with a knife.


Suzynyc, no one thinks less of you because you like Oprah. I welcome different opinions.
I agree with you that some of the stuff on this thread is below the belt, and we must be better.

[Angelofmj]

For some reason I see a lot of "Michael Jackson" in Blanket. The looks, the shyness, the all. He's almost a perfect copy of Michael Jackson the King Of Pop, not Michael Jackson the kid. I hope he'll follow his dad's steps one day and become The Prince Of Pop.

About Oprah, she's still an idiot... nothing new here.



please dont start putting blanket on this pedestal and want him to be the next michael jackson...he is prince michael jackson and not his father....this child needs to live his life and not be expected to be his dad all over again cuz there is only one michael jackson king of pop

[ExoticPrincess]

So Oprah actually did think about what Michael would say about his children being interviewed. I think that anyone who knows anything about Michael would know that he would NOT want his kids to do an interview with Oprah or anyone else.

EXACTLY!!! She thought about it but, the 'big get' was too much to pass up!:smilerolleyes: I sure wished she had answered that question she posed to herself on camera.

I did think that Oprah handled the interview with the kids well - she gave them the opportunity to give people a glimpse into the relationship that they had with their dad. But, it is certainly not what Michael would have wanted.

And anyone who thought he would've approved did'nt know Michael at all!


^^It was interesting to see Oprah and the other staff members think through what they thought Michael would have wanted. I can see how hard it is for them to be objective given the functions of their jobs, and without substituting their judgment about what'd THEY'D want with what Michael clearly said time and again, if they just researched it (which it appears they had plenty of time to do).

.

When I think about it sometimes I think, why should we expect Oprah to show any level of respect and care for Michael when some of his own family can't even do the same. Just like Janet, I am so indifferent to her and a bunch of other people. Just so sad it took MJ's passing for you to truly see their true colours.

Oh, and with all those persons hanging around at that shoot trying to be apart of the action......and people would have you believe Michael was the only one who had hangers-on!

[Tsukiji]

I am sure Katherine knew the stuff that Oprah said and did to Michael,,,,sometimes I think that she tries to come across like she lives under a rock. There is noway that can be true. Anyone that lives in the world knows how mean Oprah was to Michael,,,,his own mother HAD to know.

Of course she does, but I believe she doesn't care about what Oprah did to Michael..Look at Rebbie going on a show with one of the hosts thinking Michael abused children....I mean Katherine is doing buisness and defending a Porn guy,putting Michael's kids into an interview with Oprah, criticizing her son TV , and doing her damn promotion of her Book with her porn guy buisness partner...She knows what she is doing, and it's just a sick situation. It's been said before, but she doesn't deserve a pass anymore, her actions have simply disgusted me. I will never defend her anymore, her actions show her true colors.

[Vici]

Omg, i cant stop laughing at Joe haha.. I mean the way he got into this project just a few days before it was confirmed and brought his producer of his new reality show in Japan with him.. LOL

Interesting that one of the producer said that Katherine wanted to talk about her finances. That must have been edited out or Oprah never asked her about it.

[ExoticPrincess]

Omg, i cant stop laughing at Joe haha.. I mean the way he got into this project just a few days before it was confirmed and brought his producer of his new reality show in Japan with him.. LOL

Interesting that one of the producer said that Katherine wanted to talk about her finances. That must have been edited out or Oprah never asked her about it.


There is no hope left for Joe Jackson!:smilerolleyes:

And I have to wonder why would Katherine wanna speak on camera about her finances? people just don't normally do that or is it possible her wanting to speak on this subject had something to do with her wanting to complain further about the persons handling MJ's Estate? :scratch:

[Angelofmj]

and when oprah asked who was the strict disciplinarian and all of the grandkids said that 'grandpa' was...prince and katherine even pointed to him when they answered


and blanket is just so shy and cute
and oprah was being honest when she said blanket would be her hardest interviewer

[diana79]

^^It was interesting to see Oprah and the other staff members think through what they thought Michael would have wanted. I can see how hard it is for them to be objective given the functions of their jobs, and without substituting their judgment about what'd THEY'D want with what Michael clearly said time and again, if they just researched it (which it appears they had plenty of time to do).

Without being overly negatively I'll also say I was put-off my Joe's touchy-feely behavior toward the women on the show staff, and his insistence to be on camera, which were made so much more obvious by this behind-the-scenes feature. Also in my opinion, the kids' reluctance to talk was made more apparent when I view the extra footage.

I forgot about Joe - at one point, it looked like he was trying to hug one of the female producers. She looked surprised. Did you notice that?

[xthunderx2]

And anyone who thought he would've approved did'nt know Michael at all!



When I think about it sometimes I think, why should we expect Oprah to show any level of respect and care for Michael when some of his own family can't even do the same. Just like Janet, I am so indifferent to her and a bunch of other people. Just so sad it took MJ's passing for you to truly see their true colours.

Oh, and with all those persons hanging around at that shoot trying to be apart of the action......and people would have you believe Michael was the only one who had hangers-on!
exactly...If Michael wanted Oprah to interview his children..he had plenty of time ti call her himself and say like.."Hey Oprah....do you want to interview my children",,,,,but seeing gas how that never happened...Oprah being the sneaky heffa that she is goes and gets an interview with Kathrine and wiggles her way into the interview with the kid. TBH....I dont think she even wanted to interview Katherine...I think the kids were her target the while time.

[twinklEE]

exactly...If Michael wanted Oprah to interview his children..he had plenty of time ti call her himself and say like.."Hey Oprah....do you want to interview my children",,,,,but seeing gas how that never happened...Oprah being the sneaky heffa that she is goes and gets an interview with Kathrine and wiggles her way into the interview with the kid. TBH....I dont think she even wanted to interview Katherine...I think the kids were her target the while time.
Of course the kids were her target the whole ''omg this is so big,/huge'' was about the kids. it were the kids that made this interview big, I mean come on, Katherine's producing a dozen of interviews with her porn pal, even her 'first' interview since Michael's death (around his first anniversary in june) didn't garner as much attention as the Oprah one did.

[Tsukiji]

exactly...If Michael wanted Oprah to interview his children..he had plenty of time ti call her himself and say like.."Hey Oprah....do you want to interview my children",,,,,but seeing gas how that never happened...Oprah being the sneaky heffa that she is goes and gets an interview with Kathrine and wiggles her way into the interview with the kid. TBH....I dont think she even wanted to interview Katherine...I think the kids were her target the while time.

Of course, and if Michael were here we know that there would never have been an interview with his Kids. For Oprah it's all about $, Ratings and portraying herself as being able to get the 'exclusive' interviews. It was all about the kids, and Katherine just handed them over to Oprah for the interview, a couple years ago I would have been shocked if Katherine allowed it, but now, I really am not judging from her actions.

[OnirMJ]

Did they talk about new album?

[ivy]

So Oprah actually did think about what Michael would say about his children being interviewed. I think that anyone who knows anything about Michael would know that he would NOT want his kids to do an interview with Oprah or anyone else.

Exactly that showed that by common sense anyone could think "Michael wouldn't want his kids to be interviewed"


^^It was interesting to see Oprah and the other staff members think through what they thought Michael would have wanted. I can see how hard it is for them to be objective given the functions of their jobs, and without substituting their judgment about what'd THEY'D want with what Michael clearly said time and again, if they just researched it (which it appears they had plenty of time to do).

However I really do not think we can blame Oprah for this. As she said she's a professional interviewer and this is her business (ratings that is). If someone gives her an exclusive she's going to take it - that's the logical thing to do business wise.

so not Oprah but someone else from the family should have said "Michael wouldn't want this" and wouldn't let it happen.


And I have to wonder why would Katherine wanna speak on camera about her finances? people just don't normally do that or is it possible her wanting to speak on this subject had something to do with her wanting to complain further about the persons handling MJ's Estate? :scratch:

that's my understanding as well.

[Petrarose]

Exactly that showed that by common sense anyone could think "Michael wouldn't want his kids to be interviewed"



However I really do not think we can blame Oprah for this. As she said she's a professional interviewer and this is her business (ratings that is). If someone gives her an exclusive she's going to take it - that's the logical thing to do business wise.

so not Oprah but someone else from the family should have said "Michael wouldn't want this" and wouldn't let it happen.





The bolded is crucial. Oprah was allowed to enter the house and make the interview, so we have to attach the initial blame to someone from that house. At the same time Ivy, years ago I heard Oprah say there are some interviews she would not do. If she can make such a decision, based on some criteria, then she could make that decision with the kids too. She, therefore, cannot hide behind the "I am an interviewer/this is my job" rationale. She could have asked Katherine to give her the first interview when the kids come of age, etc. She owns her own show and has a significant number of decision making power. However, I agree with you and I think she also must share in the blame.

[ivy]

At the same time Ivy, years ago I heard Oprah say there are some interviews she would not do. If she can make such a decision, based on some criteria, then she could make that decision with the kids too.

but what was her criteria? she interviewed children before and there's nothing technically wrong with interviewing the kids other than "MJ wouldn't want it".

[marebear]

If Michael was here the kids would have never been interviewed. They all know that but it was allowed anyways. I know that it's not easy raising someone else's children but sometimes I wonder if they really respect Michael as a parent and his wishes. When the kids are adults that is a different story. They can make those decisions.

Do the grandkids call Joe grandpa? It's funny because he would not let his own children call him dad.

[gerryevans]

And I have to wonder why would Katherine wanna speak on camera about her finances? people just don't normally do that or is it possible her wanting to speak on this subject had something to do with her wanting to complain further about the persons handling MJ's Estate? :scratch:

That was my thinking too, and I'm very glad they didn't go there or at least didn't air that segment. If she was going to talk about it to elicit sympathy, it would have definitely backfired. Most people can't relate to complaints about "only" getting 26K a month, especially when major expenses don't have to be taken care of out of that money.

[xthunderx2]

Exactly that showed that by common sense anyone could think "Michael wouldn't want his kids to be interviewed"



However I really do not think we can blame Oprah for this. As she said she's a professional interviewer and this is her business (ratings that is). If someone gives her an exclusive she's going to take it - that's the logical thing to do business wise.

so not Oprah but someone else from the family should have said "Michael wouldn't want this" and wouldn't let it happen.



that's my understanding as well.
The bolded part.....of course we can blame Oprah..she knew good and well that Michael would of HATED her interviewing his children..and like the gutless pig that she is ..she went in for the kill and did exactly what it was she KNEW that he would hate. Its like stepping on his grave if you ask me and holding her middle finger up at him and say F_YOU. I am gonna do just what you wouldn't want me to do. We all know that she never cared how she made Michael feel....now that he is not here..she had to get the last cheap shot in at him...and what better way to do it than to interview his children.

[twinklEE]

about her wanting to talk about her finances,.. for real? How pitiful! What exactly did she hope to get out of it? Beg ppl to take care of her tribe? Seriously SMDH, she should back up and stop going overboard, or else her actions are only coming back to bite her (especially the association with porn pal) I have never ever seen an 80 something year old woman act like this before. NEVER. The behavior displayed is getting obnoxious to say the least. Thanks God the nonsense wasn't aired/discussed whatever.

[MsCassieMollie]

Prince sounded so mature when he was talking about his first day of school..."cookies or something like that" lol

Paris was so cute drinking the lemonade. :)

Blanket was adorable.

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[Ashtanga]

Prince sounded so mature when he was talking about his first day of school..."cookies or something like that" lol

Paris was so cute drinking the lemonade. :)

Blanket was adorable.

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PPB... :wub:







:cry:

[diana79]

Thanks for posting that video. That part was missing from the video that I watched yesterday.

Katherine never should have allowed the kids to be interviewed. When offered an interview with the kids, Oprah should have respected Michael's wishes and declined.

It's not that the interview was bad. The interview was fine. But, typically in an "interview" situation, each party gets something. The person being interviewed gets to promote themselves or their work, or just get a message out. The interviewer hopes to get viewers and advertising dollars.

We know that Katherine got an opportunity to promote her book, and Oprah got a "big" interview, which was sure to get a lot of viewers. What did Michael's kids get out of this? Did it seem like the boys were excited to talk about their personal lives on tv? I didn't get that impression.

I really hope that the kids realize that the interviews they give are very valuable. They should know that they can decide who interviews them and what questions will be asked. And, the kids should understand that they are entitled to get something out of the arrangement. For instance, they can use the opportunity to talk about a cause or charity that's important to them.

[rainny]

When Blanket looks at the camera is like watching Michael.

[xthunderx2]

When Blanket looks at the camera is like watching Michael.
he really does. also..Blanket looked very uncomfortable in that interview....shame on Katherine for putting an 8 year old on public display.

[StacyJ]

he really does. also..Blanket looked very uncomfortable in that interview....shame on Katherine for putting an 8 year old on public display.

well 47 years ago she put a 5 year old on display and allowed his daddy to beat him while he sang and danced his little butt off. Katherine doesn't care

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

WTF did she want proof? That she did the right thing intervewing Michael's children...
I don't freaking get those behind the scenes honestly! No matter what she does, that intervew was completly fishy, shameless and a clear desperation for getting high raitings.

[noirnoar]

It took several months to land interview with Katherine because of MJJ's kids, not for Katherine. It is obvious that Katherine was advertising her book on the show, but having kids there was Oprah's idea. I wish I can find the article online where Oprah said that she got the phone call from Katherine team for interview, "but I wanted MJJ's children in".

Second, I read that Katherine spoke about finance with Oprah "that she didn't receive a penny".

source:
http://scoop.todayshow.com/_news/2010/10/25/5346899-katherine-jackson-hasnt-received-a-penny-from-michaels-estate

It is possible that Oprah omitted airing " money - estate- talk " on her show, maybe she is saving that segment for another sequel...or maybe the money-talk never happened.

[Sophielo]

The kids need to be kids, this is going to be a tough couple of months for them with the trial coming up. I still don't agree with them having been interviewd, especially Blanket, but they're wonderful kids and Michael would be very proud of them.

[twinklEE]

well 47 years ago she put a 5 year old on display and allowed his daddy to beat him while he sang and danced his little butt off. Very true, she didnt care then and cares even less now.

[michaelsson]

this aint on youtube yet? lol

[jrsfan]

I found this at lipstick alley, apparently came from Oprah's website- posted by resaformj & thought it was a great post:
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f227/oprah-behind-scenes-season-25-ppb-katherine-interview-279444/index8.html



This insightful comment was left on Oprah's website.


The business of O is to get the BIG interview and to get the interviewee(s) into territory where the BIG and ratings-rich questions will be explored. Oprah was once seen as America's trustworthy, compassionate, forthright, supportive best friend. Now she is O, fountainhead of OWN, engaged with other 5-star generals in ratings warfare with one objective -- to WIN.

The key factor in The Jackson Family interview is, oddly enough, NOT the family at all but Michael Jackson. Mother Katherine, Father Joe and Jackson's young children are interesting only as they relate to and claim intimacy in the life of Michael Jackson, deceased. And they are useful to O only as a portal through which Michael Jackson can once again be invasively probed.

I was struck by the O-team's focus on "Will the molestation charges be explored and will Jackson's children appear and speak with Oprah?" To her staff, Oprah spoke dismissively and rather contemptuously of Joe Jackson's presence, yet she masterfully seized the moment to question Joe about the physical abuse of his children "which your own son, Michael, openly discussed." So, I guess Joe's unwelcome presence wasn't a total loss.

It should be remembered that the Jackson Family interview and Lisa Marie Presley (Jackson's first wife) interview were scheduled closely following or in the midst of other Oprah shows about child molestation. Yes, I've heard "coincidence" as an explanation for the scheduling. A more accurate word is "strategic." Ms. Winfrey's scheduling places Michael Jackson's name squarely where she feels it belongs -- in a child predator environment where her audience will forever link it and remember it. The move was calculated and very effective.

It is painful to watch the Jacksons unwittingly fall into every trap set for them by media moguls like Winfrey and others. The Jacksons are nice people, by and large, but lack the savvy required to maneuver the media killing fields or to counter the tactics used by interviewers in pursuit of a desired result. After being thoroughly oiled, reassured and soothed with flattery, they are skillfully guided into perilous territory by those who want to cast Michael Jackson forever in the ***** Jackson-Drug Addict-Pedophile mode invented and marketed so profitably for so long. I hope this will change as the family realizes it must take wise counsel, draw together as one, and seize this irresponsible media gabfest that's run amock for far too long.

Even now, you won't find any Big Guns in the business pursuing a thorough re-examination of the accusations, the accusers, the trial and aftermath -- despite the wealth of information available. Instead, we hear a titillating comment here or reference there -- enough to keep the issue murky and marketable.

Oprah Winfrey, a big and trusted voice among her millions of supporters, believes that Michael Jackson was a child molester. She is unlikely to change her view, carefully avoiding all evidence to the contrary, including an 18-month trial that produced 14 Not Guilty verdicts by a conservative jury.

Michael Jackson's mortal voice is now silent for all time, and the construct of his remembrance and legacy is left in the hands of others. In one corner, family, longtime friends and colleagues, fans and admirers, thoughtful authors and journalists and others who seek to know and present the whole man. In the other corner, the media warlords who labeled and stalked him and their legions of foot soldiers comprised of hangers-on, tabloid proctologists, snake oil salesmen, opportunists and assorted parasites who suck on show business and provide the Media Beast's daily diet of gossip, lies, rumors, and half-truths.

I see a ferocious battle worthy of Michael Jackson's life that his children will join as they mature and shoulder his honor with strength and pride, and that Truth will win in the end.
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[pilinlim]

The fact that Katherine wanted to talk about finances is scary to me. Isn't she making enough money already? What the hell does she want more? The woman has everything paid and still lots of thousands in her pocket from the Estate, what is she so mad about? She would only be happy if the Estate gave her millions and millions every month. And, because the estate refuses to do so, she complains about them.

Joe is not just a money-hungry person: he's also as fame and glory hungry. He loves the cameras. God, these family is so dysfunctional it's not even funny. Katherine thinks it's the Estate's obligation to give the entire tribe a billionaire lyfestyle and, because they don't do so, she complains even though she still gets a LOT of money. The hell with Katherine! The hell with her pathetic husband! The hell with the pathetic siblings. I'm done with this dysfunctional, freakish, aberrational family.

[twinklEE]

The fact that Katherine wanted to talk about finances is scary to me. Isn't she making enough money already? What the hell does she want more? The woman has everything paid and still lots of thousands in her pocket from the Estate, what is she so mad about? She would only be happy if the Estate gave her millions and millions every month. And, because the estate refuses to do so, she complains about them.

Joe is not just a money-hungry person: he's also as fame and glory hungry. He loves the cameras. God, these family is so dysfunctional it's not even funny. Katherine thinks it's the Estate's obligation to give the entire tribe a billionaire lyfestyle and, because they don't do so, she complains even though she still gets a LOT of money. The hell with Katherine! The hell with her pathetic husband! The hell with the pathetic siblings. I'm done with this dysfunctional, freakish, aberrational family.
u know when she did the first interview with her porn pal, she said that when MJ bought the catalog he told her ''now we will never have to worry about money again'' or something like that, well anyways she said 'he told me this before he had children' I heard resentment in that statement. She just like the rest of them is not able to comprehend why Michael didn't leave them anything. She wanted Michael to take care of her, her violent husband, his dozen of siblings AND THEIR countless children plus their children's children. and baby mama's. That's the sense of entitlement these ppl had and still continue to have. What happened to Michael is not any different to what happens to many big families, the only difference is that Michael went on to become a huge superstar/entertainer. The only difference is the occupation, but it happens that one child excels in studies/education, becomes a doctor or a lawyer and the other sibling(s) is barely able to make thru highschool and as a result of that only does 'simple work'. Michael was the 'doctor/lawyer' who exceled in his field (performing/singing in this case) while the others, didn't. Why should Michael be punished and foot their bills just b/c he was/is successful? He wasn't riding on their backs, they were hanging on his coattails for as long as they possibly could.
She should ask herself WHY none of them got a dime, what drove him to this decision, I'm sure harassing the shyte out of him, selling him out, making stories up, driving thru his gates, writing songs, bad mouthing, lying, being envious and jealous. ALL of this played a huge part in his final decision. I'm just glad Mike was wise enough to see all their nonsense (well almost), Good for Michael leaving them out, it was his wealth, he could do whatever he wanted to with it. Now they should focus on Janet (who has no family of her own, no one to take care of, no responsibilities to fulfill), she is their last chance, basically the only one they got. I'm sure it's paining to see all the money coming in, it's so near and still out of their reach. A couple of heads must be exploding! LOL!
I certainly hope (although I know it's in vain) that they grow up finally and get themselves and their adult children, a PAYING job. God knows there are enough leeches living on welfare, and the economy is to weak, so there shouldn't be any further burden on welfare, not now and not in 20 years.

[Tsukiji]

Thanks for posting that video. That part was missing from the video that I watched yesterday.

Katherine never should have allowed the kids to be interviewed. When offered an interview with the kids, Oprah should have respected Michael's wishes and declined.

It's not that the interview was bad. The interview was fine. But, typically in an "interview" situation, each party gets something. The person being interviewed gets to promote themselves or their work, or just get a message out. The interviewer hopes to get viewers and advertising dollars.

We know that Katherine got an opportunity to promote her book, and Oprah got a "big" interview, which was sure to get a lot of viewers. What did Michael's kids get out of this? Did it seem like the boys were excited to talk about their personal lives on tv? I didn't get that impression.

I really hope that the kids realize that the interviews they give are very valuable. They should know that they can decide who interviews them and what questions will be asked. And, the kids should understand that they are entitled to get something out of the arrangement. For instance, they can use the opportunity to talk about a cause or charity that's important to them.

Exactly, I doubt the kids wanted to be involved in this. They didn't need to be involved in the first place, honestly, what was the purpose of it? Katherine could have promoted her book with her shady guy buisness partner without the Kids being there, but she knew that more people would watch if the kids were on..It's no different from the whole 'signed belt' crap that Katherine and Joe were putting together. Using Michael's kids to get money and more attention :no:

Let the kids just be kids, they had no reason to be interviewed and talk about their personal feelings and things they did with Michael.

You think someone in that family would go "Michael would not want this." and end it right there, but no, they go on with it for purely selfish reasons without anything else considered.

[pilinlim]

u know when she did the first interview with her porn pal, she said that when MJ bought the catalog he told her ''now we will never have to worry about money again'' or something like that, well anyways she said 'he told me this before he had children' I heard resentment in that statement. She just like the rest of them is not able to comprehend why Michael didn't leave them anything. She wanted Michael to take care of her, her violent husband, his dozen of siblings AND THEIR countless children plus their children's children. and baby mama's. That's the sense of entitlement these ppl had and still continue to have. What happened to Michael is not any different to what happens to many big families, the only difference is that Michael went on to become a huge superstar/entertainer. The only difference is the occupation, but it happens that one child excels in studies/education, becomes a doctor or a lawyer and the other sibling(s) is barely able to make thru highschool and as a result of that only does 'simple work'. Michael was the 'doctor/lawyer' who exceled in his field (performing/singing in this case) while the others, didn't. Why should Michael be punished and foot their bills just b/c he was/is successful? He wasn't riding on their backs, they were hanging on his coattails for as long as they possibly could.
She should ask herself WHY none of them got a dime, what drove him to this decision, I'm sure harassing the shyte out of him, selling him out, making stories up, driving thru his gates, writing songs, bad mouthing, lying, being envious and jealous. ALL of this played a huge part in his final decision. I'm just glad Mike was wise enough to see all their nonsense (well almost), Good for Michael leaving them out, it was his wealth, he could do whatever he wanted to with it. Now they should focus on Janet (who has no family of her own, no one to take care of, no responsibilities to fulfill), she is their last chance, basically the only one they got. I'm sure it's paining to see all the money coming in, it's so near and still out of their reach. A couple of heads must be exploding! LOL!
I certainly hope (although I know it's in vain) that they grow up finally and get themselves and their adult children, a PAYING job. God knows there are enough leeches living on welfare, and the economy is to weak, so there shouldn't be any further burden on welfare, not now and not in 20 years.

Exactly.

Katherine is as freakish and monstruous as the others. The hell with the pathetic little woman. The kids are in danger.

[mjjesamor]

Love the quote you pasted jrsfan, it's so true. Sad but true. Can't wait for MJ's kids to be old enough to take control.
Blanket is very like Michael. He looks very uncomfortable and sad, poor thing. Paris has absolutely beautiful eyes.

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

1) Blanket looked like he really really didn't want to be there. He should NOT have been put through that, you could see he looked extremely uncomfortable.

2) What's with that woman at the beginning treating Oprah like she's the Queen arriving at H'hurst.. & whoever that other woman is who said something like 'did we invite Joe here?' in that really pissy way.. that isn't Oprah's house.

3) From her own mouth Oprah wanted to make the interview of MJ's kids look less exploitative by having the cousins there too. So she knows it's wrong. Obviously with the comment about MJ haunting her, she knows it's against his wishes but she still went ahead..

4) The whole MJ convention thing, there were a lot of people there.. & the family took lots of stuff of MJ's & J5 out to show Oprah eg. the MLK drawing that MJ did, but she showed none of it on air.. she didn't care about showing these things. She didn't even really care about interviewing Katherine, she wanted Michael's kids, AND the adults fell for it & allowed it to happen. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

5) From the footage it seemed that they were nervous that the kids would decide they didn't want to do the interview. So they had a choice? I hope they really were told they didn't have to do it if they didn't want to.




I really hope that the kids realize that the interviews they give are very valuable. They should know that they can decide who interviews them and what questions will be asked. And, the kids should understand that they are entitled to get something out of the arrangement. For instance, they can use the opportunity to talk about a cause or charity that's important to them.

Yeh, good question. Does anyone know if they actually got paid for this interview?

[xthunderx2]

1) Blanket looked like he really really didn't want to be there. He should NOT have been put through that, you could see he looked extremely uncomfortable.

2) What's with that woman at the beginning treating Oprah like she's the Queen arriving at H'hurst.. & whoever that other woman is who said something like 'did we invite Joe here?' in that really pissy way.. that isn't Oprah's house.

3) From her own mouth Oprah wanted to make the interview of MJ's kids look less exploitative by having the cousins there too. So she knows it's wrong. Obviously with the comment about MJ haunting her, she knows it's against his wishes but she still went ahead..

4) The whole MJ convention thing, there were a lot of people there.. & the family took lots of stuff of MJ's & J5 out to show Oprah eg. the MLK drawing that MJ did, but she showed none of it on air.. she didn't care about showing these things. She didn't even really care about interviewing Katherine, she wanted Michael's kids, AND the adults fell for it & allowed it to happen. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

5) From the footage it seemed that they were nervous that the kids would decide they didn't want to do the interview. So they had a choice? I hope they really were told they didn't have to do it if they didn't want to.




Yeh, good question. Does anyone know if they actually got paid for this interview?
They probably aid something to the kids like...Oh you are gonna get a chance to talk about your dad.....and the kids loving Michael as much as they do..probably said yes. Exploitation that is all it is.

[liliyyy]

u know when she did the first interview with her porn pal, she said that when MJ bought the catalog he told her ''now we will never have to worry about money again'' or something like that, well anyways she said 'he told me this before he had children' I heard resentment in that statement. She just like the rest of them is not able to comprehend why Michael didn't leave them anything. She wanted Michael to take care of her, her violent husband, his dozen of siblings AND THEIR countless children plus their children's children. and baby mama's. That's the sense of entitlement these ppl had and still continue to have. What happened to Michael is not any different to what happens to many big families, the only difference is that Michael went on to become a huge superstar/entertainer. The only difference is the occupation, but it happens that one child excels in studies/education, becomes a doctor or a lawyer and the other sibling(s) is barely able to make thru highschool and as a result of that only does 'simple work'. Michael was the 'doctor/lawyer' who exceled in his field (performing/singing in this case) while the others, didn't. Why should Michael be punished and foot their bills just b/c he was/is successful? He wasn't riding on their backs, they were hanging on his coattails for as long as they possibly could.
She should ask herself WHY none of them got a dime, what drove him to this decision, I'm sure harassing the shyte out of him, selling him out, making stories up, driving thru his gates, writing songs, bad mouthing, lying, being envious and jealous. ALL of this played a huge part in his final decision. I'm just glad Mike was wise enough to see all their nonsense (well almost), Good for Michael leaving them out, it was his wealth, he could do whatever he wanted to with it. Now they should focus on Janet (who has no family of her own, no one to take care of, no responsibilities to fulfill), she is their last chance, basically the only one they got. I'm sure it's paining to see all the money coming in, it's so near and still out of their reach. A couple of heads must be exploding! LOL!
I certainly hope (although I know it's in vain) that they grow up finally and get themselves and their adult children, a PAYING job. God knows there are enough leeches living on welfare, and the economy is to weak, so there shouldn't be any further burden on welfare, not now and not in 20 years.

Well said. Can I shake your hand?
:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

[diana79]

this aint on youtube yet? lol

Noirnoar posted some videos on page 163 of this thread, but I think those videos are missing some of the stuff with the kids. MsCassieMollie posted a short video with missing parts on page 165.

[JMie]

will someone upload the whole program in good quality? I asked about it in 2000Watts, but no one replied :(

[Ohood]

thank u alot for the videos !

[8701girl]

and oprah was being honest when she said blanket would be her hardest interviewer


yep he'll kick her butt mj style!

[Ashtanga]

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I finished watching it now. I really can not tell what was worse to watch... the interview itself or to watch the behind the scenes. :puke:

I'm still trying to understand.... Why show the behind the scenes? :wtf: Oprah is really obsessed with Michael and this is very serious. :bugeyed :sigh:

Very sad and disappointing... :( *big sigh*

[Silouette]

I watched the program.
I was surprised and glad to hear Oprah speak about not making the kids uncomfortable....
staying within her "bounds" so to speak.
And also her reason for not staying in touch back in 1993.
She said that she felt it wasnt "her place" after the interview.
And the special connection between she and Mrs.J.

[qbee]

I watched the program.
I was surprised and glad to hear Oprah speak about not making the kids uncomfortable....
staying within her "bounds" so to speak.
And also her reason for not staying in touch back in 1993.
She said that she felt it wasnt "her place" after the interview.
And the special connection between she and Mrs.J.
I agree. thats what I saw and got from this behind the scenes program. Of course Im not one to try
and seek something evil and sinister in everyone or everything surounding Michael. I try and look for
the good in people. Becuase everyone has some faults. Including myself. My motto is its best to treat
others as you would like to be treated.

It is what it is _ If someone wants to add thier own spin to it still doenst change what was put foward
at face value for everyone to see. It gave me a better insight of the original interview and how much
care went into planning this interview from both sides ..

Oprah didnt even know the children were going to be part of the interview untill she was told and seemed
genuine in her concern about not expoiting or causing the children to be uncomfortable. It was very positive
for the children to be seen in this settingand let the world see how well rounded and sweet they were.

Oprah even stopped the cameras when she seen Katherines tears.she had respect for her and it showed.
Katherine also admired Oprah, remember Oprah also come up from humble beginnings and had to prove herself.

Also Oprah wasnt their to entertain or interview all the added house guests looking for promotion and it wasnt
rude on her part not to. They were the ones intruding on the planned interview with Katherine and the children.

Now im not a big fan of Oprah by any means and disagree with her on many issues, But she is not an evil person
or a devil as some like to make her out to be. I see more lack of character in the statements used to attack her.

Some people just cant exsist unless they have someone to hate on. If is wasnt Oprah it would be someone else
and if there isnt someone else then they turn on other fans who dont agree with them.

In my very humble opinion

[sugababe]

I agree. thats what I saw and got from this behind the scenes program. Of course Im not one to try
and seek something evil and sinister in everyone or everything surounding Michael. I try and look for
the good in people. Becuase everyone has some faults. Including myself. My motto is its best to treat
others as you would like to be treated.

It is what it is _ If someone wants to add thier own spin to it still doenst change what was put foward
at face value for everyone to see. It gave me a better insight of the original interview and how much
care went into planning this interview from both sides ..

Oprah didnt even know the children were going to be part of the interview untill she was told and seemed
genuine in her concern about not expoiting or causing the children to be uncomfortable. It was very positive
for the children to be seen in this settingand let the world see how well rounded and sweet they were.

Oprah even stopped the cameras when she seen Katherines tears.she had respect for her and it showed.
Katherine also admired Oprah, remember Oprah also come up from humble beginnings and had to prove herself.

Also Oprah wasnt their to entertain or interview all the added house guests looking for promotion and it wasnt
rude on her part not to. They were the ones intruding on the planned interview with Katherine and the children.

Now im not a big fan of Oprah by any means and disagree with her on many issues, But she is not an evil person
or a devil as some like to make her out to be. I see more lack of character in the statements used to attack her.

Some people just cant exsist unless they have someone to hate on. If is wasnt Oprah it would be someone else
and if there isnt someone else then they turn on other fans who dont agree with them.

In my very humble opinion
I like what you had to say. I'm not a huge Oprah fan either and also disagree with her on many issues. I found no fault with the interview except for her always asking about the molestation charges, which reminded me of something she said in her own interview when Barbara Walters asked her about being gay. Her reply was that she's always said no to that and the reason people keep asking is because evidently they don't believe her--well the same goes for her--the reason she keeps asking that same molestation question of Mike is evidently she doesn't believe that he's innocent; even when he's been proven innocent.

There's no need for her to keep asking that question over and over. Plus Mike's not here anymore;why keep reminding people of it.

Otherwise, I loved seeing Mike's kids--they're beautiful children and Mike did an excellent job raising them. I just hope Blanket's not so young that he will forget his father as he gets older. Things fade with time.

Just my two cents.

[Angelofmj]

Exactly.

Katherine is as freakish and monstruous as the others. The hell with the pathetic little woman. The kids are in danger.

everyone has a right to their opinion but michael would not like the fact that his fans talk about his mother like this! the kids grandmother at that....

you may not like joe or katherine but if not for them then there never would have been a michael jackson at all..

[diana79]

I agree. thats what I saw and got from this behind the scenes program. Of course Im not one to try
and seek something evil and sinister in everyone or everything surounding Michael. I try and look for
the good in people. Becuase everyone has some faults. Including myself. My motto is its best to treat
others as you would like to be treated.

It is what it is _ If someone wants to add thier own spin to it still doenst change what was put foward
at face value for everyone to see. It gave me a better insight of the original interview and how much
care went into planning this interview from both sides ..

Oprah didnt even know the children were going to be part of the interview untill she was told and seemed
genuine in her concern about not expoiting or causing the children to be uncomfortable. It was very positive
for the children to be seen in this settingand let the world see how well rounded and sweet they were.

Oprah even stopped the cameras when she seen Katherines tears.she had respect for her and it showed.
Katherine also admired Oprah, remember Oprah also come up from humble beginnings and had to prove herself.

Also Oprah wasnt their to entertain or interview all the added house guests looking for promotion and it wasnt
rude on her part not to. They were the ones intruding on the planned interview with Katherine and the children.

Now im not a big fan of Oprah by any means and disagree with her on many issues, But she is not an evil person
or a devil as some like to make her out to be. I see more lack of character in the statements used to attack her.

Some people just cant exsist unless they have someone to hate on. If is wasnt Oprah it would be someone else
and if there isnt someone else then they turn on other fans who dont agree with them.

In my very humble opinion

I agree. I also disagree with Oprah on many issues, but I really respect a lot of the work she's done. I love her magazine (although I'm not sure that she has much direct involvement in that). I actually enjoyed a few shows that I saw on OWN. It seems like a very positive network - kind of a sanctuary from the all of the negative or just stupid shows that are on these days. And, I'm kind of disappointed that it hasn't been doing well.