Update: Behind the Scenes on Jan 28th 8PM ET OWN Channel / Katherine Jackson May Be 'Oprah' Bound

[respect77]

as far as Karen Faye goes it's also interesting to see how she supported (and defended) Lisa Marie going on to Oprah but now has a problem with Katherine going on. How is that any different?

Indeed. Karen should shut up. Really.

[Big Apple2]

as far as Karen Faye goes it's also interesting to see how she supported (and defended) Lisa Marie going on to Oprah but now has a problem with Katherine going on. How is that any different?
Karen was probably happy Lisa Marie was going to be on with Oprah because she "hoped" Lisa Marie would share the story about:

"Karen Faye and Lisa Marie Presely speak to the GHOST of Michael Jackson via a PSYCHIC."

LOL!

[blankyluvdoodoo]

Karen was probably happy Lisa Marie was going to be on with Oprah because she "hoped" Lisa Marie would share the story about:

"Karen Faye and Lisa Marie Presely speak to the GHOST of Michael Jackson via a PSYCHIC."

LOL!

:lol:

[yaazgurl]

[QUOTE=ginvid;3017877]I was going to respond with a big long scriptural


Do NOT come on this board just to call the family names. Just to speak ill of the family. Or, just to wish the worse for them. That is not what the board is about.

However, do NOT come on this board telling members that they are not showing love, or that they are distasteful, or that they are betraying MJ, or that they are to blame for the problems in the fan community just because they disagree with what some family members have done and choose to make it known and they respectfully and articulately express these opinions.

QUOTE]

Well this isn't being followed and nothing is done about it. There is a poster in this thread who is just here to bash the family and is doing so in several threads. This person is broadcasting that Randy is behind these interviews when there is not such proof of that and when there is a clear indication that he was not behind the interviews there's no correction to this poster. There are posters who solely put down other fans simply because they support the family and they belittle, call names and are down right disrespectful because not everyone shares a negative attitude about the family and nothing is done about it. There's nothing articulate about spreading rumors even when there is an indication that the rumor may be false and there's nothing articulate about belittling the intelligence, rights and maturity of other posters simply because they do not share your view about the family. And sad to say, many moderators promote these negative viewpoints.

[Justthefacts]

I def understand Taj's frustration but while is correct to be upset with some fans there seems to be a family member who seems to be encouraging his grandmother to be trashed. If Randy had a problem with this interview there was no need for him to go on twitter and share his problems with the world he should have spoke to his Mother and private. No one on twitter can do anything about this interview and he knows it. However it does allow him to be praised by some knuckleheads who have done nothing but trash the Mother he claims to love while he sits back and does nothing. And for Karen Faye to open her big ass mouth and what does he do nothing.

[earthlyme]

I def understand Taj's frustration but while is correct to be upset with some fans there seems to be a family member who seems to be encouraging his grandmother to be trashed. If Randy had a problem with this interview there was no need for him to go on twitter and share his problems with the world he should have spoke to his Mother and private. No one on twitter can do anything about this interview and he knows it. However it does allow him to be praised by some knuckleheads who have done nothing but trash the Mother he claims to love while he sits back and does nothing. And for Karen Faye to open her big ass mouth and what does he do nothing.

This!!!


L.o.v.e.
Romi

[CherubimII]

thank god for Taj, who always clarifies things for us when we get confused. I am glad and relieved MJ3 won't be on Oprah's show.
Taj said they were not interviewed by Oprah; but I don't think he said they were not filmed by Oprah. This is just a thought.

I don't mind Michael's children being filmed; but I do think they are
much too young to be interviewed by the media.
The media exploits everything and everyone.
We will have to wait and see. :yes:

I pray Michael Jackson's children are allowed to
make their own friends, and be around who they
want to be around.

[ginvid]

Well this isn't being followed and nothing is done about it. There is a poster in this thread who is just here to bash the family and is doing so in several threads. This person is broadcasting that Randy is behind these interviews when there is not such proof of that and when there is a clear indication that he was not behind the interviews there's no correction to this poster. There are posters who solely put down other fans simply because they support the family and they belittle, call names and are down right disrespectful because not everyone shares a negative attitude about the family and nothing is done about it. There's nothing articulate about spreading rumors even when there is an indication that the rumor may be false and there's nothing articulate about belittling the intelligence, rights and maturity of other posters simply because they do not share your view about the family. And sad to say, many moderators promote these negative viewpoints.

As I said before, if you feel someone is going too far, than report the person. It is very simple. And members are not aware what goes on behind the scenes. I get tired of people assuming what is taking place in situations they are not privy to. And they act as if being a moderator is so easy. And we sit around doing nothing. Mods are giving of their time, to try to make it a place where people can feel free to give their opinions. It is often times not easy. And it is a no win situation where you're hated from people who think you are not acting and from people who think you are acting too much. It is often thankless work that people don't appreciate. Mods are not here to tell people how to think and feel. We are here to react when needed and address the concerns that members have. But, we have our own opinions as well. We try not to take lightly the responsibility in keeping the forum in order. We try not to be people who censor everything that comes out of a person's mouth. And it often means we have to go against what we personally feel.

And if a person feels Randy is behind the interview, so what? There are many opinions on this board where the posters have nothing to back them up but their opinions, their gut. As long as they are implying it is just their opinion, can they not have it? Fans should be aware that they will hear many opinions. You have to be reponsible for what you accept as fact. I myself have still been asking for info about what Randy has done so that I can make an informed decision and until I do get more info I cannot share the opinions of some on this board. But I do not try and stop them for feeling that way. Maybe they do know and just don' t want to share with me? I don't know.

I think as I said before that is going to take both sides giving a little. If you feel a person is demeaning you for no reason, you have much power in your hands to address it. Sometimes we do not understand why something is offensive to you or what is hurtful about it until it is pointed out. Because we don't see it the same way. I don't know what more to say about all of this. I don't know how to make people understand what is acceptable here. It is very tiring mentally.

[chanel05]

[QUOTE=ginvid;3017877]I was going to respond with a big long scriptural


Do NOT come on this board just to call the family names. Just to speak ill of the family. Or, just to wish the worse for them. That is not what the board is about.

However, do NOT come on this board telling members that they are not showing love, or that they are distasteful, or that they are betraying MJ, or that they are to blame for the problems in the fan community just because they disagree with what some family members have done and choose to make it known and they respectfully and articulately express these opinions.

QUOTE]

Well this isn't being followed and nothing is done about it. There is a poster in this thread who is just here to bash the family and is doing so in several threads. This person is broadcasting that Randy is behind these interviews when there is not such proof of that and when there is a clear indication that he was not behind the interviews there's no correction to this poster. There are posters who solely put down other fans simply because they support the family and they belittle, call names and are down right disrespectful because not everyone shares a negative attitude about the family and nothing is done about it. There's nothing articulate about spreading rumors even when there is an indication that the rumor may be false and there's nothing articulate about belittling the intelligence, rights and maturity of other posters simply because they do not share your view about the family. And sad to say, many moderators promote these negative viewpoints.

I agree with yaazgurl. I do not post on here much but I lurk alot and what you said is the truth. I just do not understand how it is okay to bash the family off of some stuff you read in the tabloids. I think that is crazy. Im not sayin they have to support them, but the unecessary bashing is CRAZY!!!! Where is the proof that Randy sold stories to the tabloids???

[xthunderx2]

well I have been away for awhile and I really dont need to read 34 pages of posts as to why it is wrong for Mrs. Katherine to do this interview with Oprah. Michael despised Oprah...she till this day will call him a pedophile..how can Katherine even think of going on that show and giving Oprah 5 minutes of her time. Sorry folks...she is selling out her dead son. NOT EVEN his mama is standing by him in death..this sickens me. They will all do anything for the money..and now I mean ALL. Randy's tweets mean nothing to me anymore. Michael couldn't trust his family before....and unfortunately...they cannot be trusteed now. Can someone please tell me..WHO in the world is there to protect Michael's name?? If not his own family then who??....I guess its us for now...and his children when they get old enough to have a voice for themselves.

[earthlyme]

As I said before, if you feel someone is going too far, than report the person. It is very simple. And members are not aware what goes on behind the scenes. I get tired of people assuming what is taking place in situations they are not privy to. And they act as if being a moderator is so easy. And we sit around doing nothing. Mods are giving of their time, to try to make it a place where people can feel free to give their opinions. It is often times not easy. And it is a no win situation where you're hated from people who think you are not acting and from people who think you are acting too much. It is often thankless work that people don't appreciate. Mods are not here to tell people how to think and feel. We are here to react when needed and address the concerns that members have. But, we have our own opinions as well. We try not to take lightly the responsibility in keeping the forum in order. We try not to be people who censor everything that comes out of a person's mouth. And it often means we have to go against what we personally feel.

And if a person feels Randy is behind the interview, so what? There are many opinions on this board where the posters have nothing to back them up but their opinions, their gut. As long as they are implying it is just their opinion, can they not have it? Fans should be aware that they will hear many opinions. You have to be reponsible for what you accept as fact. I myself have still been asking for info about what Randy has done so that I can make an informed decision and until I do get more info I cannot share the opinions of some on this board. But I do not try and stop them for feeling that way. Maybe they do know and just don' t want to share with me? I don't know.

I think as I said before that is going to take both sides giving a little. If you feel a person is demeaning you for no reason, you have much power in your hands to address it. Sometimes we do not understand why something is offensive to you or what is hurtful about it until it is pointed out. Because we don't see it the same way. I don't know what more to say about all of this. I don't know how to make people understand what is acceptable here. It is very tiring mentally.

:clapping::clapping::clapping:


Well Said… Thankyou!!!



L.o.v.e.
Romi

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I know you don't mean bashing Mrs. Jackson but that's what she's doing by accepting the intervew with that despicable woman.
Probably Mrs. Jackson has her reasons to do it but Oprah is using her for cashing in the name of Michael. :(
Oprah is gonna get what she wants, lot of rating and reasons to say she's the number one.

[Autumn II]

well I have been away for awhile and I really dont need to read 34 pages of posts as to why it is wrong for Mrs. Katherine to do this interview with Oprah. Michael despised Oprah...she till this day will call him a pedophile..how can Katherine even think of going on that show and giving Oprah 5 minutes of her time. Sorry folks...she is selling out her dead son. NOT EVEN his mama is standing by him in death..this sickens me. They will all do anything for the money..and now I mean ALL. Randy's tweets mean nothing to me anymore. Michael couldn't trust his family before....and unfortunately...they cannot be trusteed now. Can someone please tell me..WHO in the world is there to protect Michael's name?? If not his own family then who??....I guess its us for now...and his children when they get old enough to have a voice for themselves.

Thanks, xthunderx2. This is not without context. We don't know one way or another, with certainty, that Randy has been behind this. What we DO know, factually, is that he caused MAJOR problems for Michael during the trial, with the MJJSource fiasco, and for other reasons. We really have no way of knowing what Michael's private relationships were like with various family members.

Whatever else is the case, this has turned into a serious PR disaster, regardless of what Katherine does or does not say during the interview. It's a disaster for the following reasons:

1. Michael hated Oprah, and had reason to. She tried to influence public opinion that Michael was guilty, even during TRIAL DELIBERATIONS! She has never apologized. For Katherine now to go on that show, defies comprehension. If only out of respect for her son, she should NOT have done this.

2. Katherine has launched a major civil suit for wrongful death. Anything she says in a public setting can be quoted and used during the trial. She may have shot herself in the foot with this interview, and jeopardized the lawsuit. Anyone with a pending lawsuit should be very, very quiet in public. That's OBVIOUS.

3. If Katherine is seeking to "set the record straight," she had an array of interviewers who would have welcomed her. So, WHY Oprah? It's incomprehensible, why she would disrespect Michael that way.

Is Katherine really that out-of-touch? She might be. Is Randy advising her? He might be. We really don't know for certain.

It would seem that the Jacksons are in no way "a family unit," and are getting no valid advice whatsoever. I'm quite certain the Panish law-firm would have advised against this (NOT rocket-science, here), but were they even asked?

[Diplomate]

Thanks, xthunderx2. This is not without context. We don't know one way or another, with certainty, that Randy has been behind this. What we DO know, factually, is that he caused MAJOR problems for Michael during the trial, with the MJJSource fiasco, and for other reasons. We really have no way of knowing what Michael's private relationships were like with various family members.

Whatever else is the case, this has turned into a serious PR disaster, regardless of what Katherine does or does not say during the interview. It's a disaster for the following reasons:

1. Michael hated Oprah, and had reason to. She tried to influence public opinion that Michael was guilty, even during TRIAL DELIBERATIONS! She has never apologized. For Katherine now to go on that show, defies comprehension. If only out of respect for her son, she should NOT have done this.

2. Katherine has launched a major civil suit for wrongful death. Anything she says in a public setting can be quoted and used during the trial. She may have shot herself in the foot with this interview, and jeopardized the lawsuit. Anyone with a pending lawsuit should be very, very quiet in public. That's OBVIOUS.

3. If Katherine is seeking to "set the record straight," she had an array of interviewers who would have welcomed her. So, WHY Oprah? It's incomprehensible, why she would disrespect Michael that way.

Is Katherine really that out-of-touch? She might be. Is Randy advising her? He might be. We really don't know for certain.

It would seem that the Jacksons are in no way "a family unit," and are getting no valid advice whatsoever. I'm quite certain the Panish law-firm would have advised against this (NOT rocket-science, here), but were they even asked?



Great post.

We all know that Katherine love her son, we even can say that Mike was her " favorite " baby, sorry for the others, but it's not a secret.

So why she accepts Oprah, the woman who think that her son is a pedophile, the woman who trashed Michael in 2005 during the trial ? Why?

There are others medias or real journalist in America! Why to smile with this woman! Why to let her come in the house OF MICHAEL ?


I don't understand that.I'm sorry for Kate, but if she accepts Oprah at Encino, for me it's like a treason.

[Petrarose]

TO ALL THE MODS

I love you, appreciate what you do, and I support you. All the best!!!!!!!

[Asedora]

as far as Karen Faye goes it's also interesting to see how she supported (and defended) Lisa Marie going on to Oprah but now has a problem with Katherine going on. How is that any different?

This is what I was thinking about. WTF is wrong with Karen now? If LMP will go to Oprah I would be pissed off because I do not want to see LMP playing "widow". She is not! As far as it comes to Katherine, I am OK. She wants maybe to talk to fans and say something important. I do not understand Karen.

[Big Apple2]

2. Katherine has launched a major civil suit for wrongful death. Anything she says in a public setting can be quoted and used during the trial. She may have shot herself in the foot with this interview, and jeopardized the lawsuit. Anyone with a pending lawsuit should be very, very quiet in public. That's OBVIOUS.
This is the point that sticks out the MOST for me.

If Oprah questions Ms. Jackson about what she saw, will she answer like she did before, i.e. "Michael was fine the last time I saw him."

Or will she contradict herself and say: "Michael was not in good health the last time I saw him."

Either way, being questioned by ANYBODY at this point in the game is just not the correct thing to do, for obvious reasons, in my opinion (whether it be Oprah or the Man In The Moon). And that's why an attorney would advise their client to remain silent and only use the very familiar line, i.e. "No Comment," when and if necessary.

I have a feeling that Ms. Katherine does things INDEPENDENT of counsel and that's probably how she ended up doing business with that Mann guy. I really, REALLY don't think any of Ms. Katherine's attorneys would have advised her to work with that guy.

[Moulin Rouge]

I know you don't mean bashing Mrs. Jackson but that's what she's doing by accepting the intervew with that despicable woman.
Probably Mrs. Jackson has her reasons to do it but Oprah is using her for cashing in the name of Michael. :(
Oprah is gonna get what she wants, lot of rating and reasons to say she's the number one.
Sometimes you have to give a little to egt a little. Yes Oprah will get alot of rating because she has a huge audience and people are inetrested in MJ related topics but Katehrine will gain to by being able to dispel lies about her son to that huge audience.


This is the point that sticks out the MOST for me.

If Oprah questions Ms. Jackson about what she saw, will she answer like she did before, i.e. "Michael was fine the last time I saw him."

Or will she contradict herself and say: "Michael was not in good health the last time I saw him."

Either way, being questioned by ANYBODY at this point in the game is just not the correct thing to do, for obvious reasons, in my opinion (whether it be Oprah or the Man In The Moon). And that's why an attorney would advise their client to remain silent and only use the very familiar line, i.e. "No Comment," when and if necessary.

Very good point, maybe she was advised to stay quiet but she's going to do what she wants. Hopefully she chooses her words wisely and they don't come back to bite her.

[DanceofLorelei1994]

It's impossible that Katherine knows how much Oprah hates Michael and chose to do this out of free will. It doesn't add up. She ADORES her son.

[Indra]

According to Randy Jackson this was kept from him, at least that's what he wrote on Twitter. He is not happy about it.
Taj Jackson have also talked about this on his twitter and he says the family know what Oprah did. Don't know what to make out of this..... it's a mess. I can't stand Oprah, that's about it. And I hope someone will tell the members of the family that thought this was a good idea how false and hateful Oprah is. But they are a family, and like in all families, we all have different opinions.

[Autumn II]

This interview represents a major lapse in judgment, on someone's part. Here is the logic and the legal aspect, ok?

1. Katherine Jackson has launched a civil law-suit accusing the AEG corporation of the "wrongful death" of her son, Michael.

2. Katherine has been interviewed by Oprah Winfrey (airing date to be announced?). The Oprah Winfrey show is produced by. . . . . AEG.

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/aeg-digital.html

Therefore, following the logic, this program will no doubt receive very high ratings, and will line the pockets of AEG execs and enhance the very company Katherine is suing for the death of her son. What is WRONG with this picture is obvious, right? If nothing else, she needs better counsel than has been happening, to date.

[ginvid]

^^^Wow. Did not know that. Thanks for letting us know.

[Autumn II]

^^^Wow. Did not know that. Thanks for letting us know.

Maybe Katherine didn't know it, either? She's not been one for the public eye or PR, or the business aspects of her children's lives. It seems that what's happening now is that she's not getting good advice, or is not knowing where to turn for advice? I would have expected that the law firm handling the civil suit would have counseled her against this, at this time. Not sure why they didn't, or what, exactly, is going on behind the scenes?

[Big Apple2]

The Oprah Winfrey show is produced by. . . . . AEG.

Therefore, following the logic, this program will no doubt receive very high ratings, and will line the pockets of AEG execs and enhance the very company Katherine is suing for the death of her son. What is WRONG with this picture is obvious, right? If nothing else, she needs better counsel than has been happening, to date.

Just when you "think" you have heard it all, someone reveals BRAND NEW information that makes you say: "WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON!"

[Indra]

Maybe Katherine didn't know it, either? She's not been one for the public eye or PR, or the business aspects of her children's lives. It seems that what's happening now is that she's not getting good advice, or is not knowing where to turn for advice? I would have expected that the law firm handling the civil suit would have counseled her against this, at this time. Not sure why they didn't, or what, exactly, is going on behind the scenes?

Wonder if they knew this, or if Mrs Jackson knows this. Wish we somehow could informe her/the family about it. Even though I'm not Randy Jackson's biggest fan, on this matter, the things he said, makes me want him to know about this too.

[loveforever]

I read that the oprah interview was arranged by that Mann guy(doing porn business and lately worked with Katherine on her book), and also saw the leaked photo of Katherine showed that book to Oprah during their shooting. so this interview is to promote the book?

[ginvid]

Autumn I tried to look this info up, just so I could be sure of it (not that I don't trust you, but I just like to know things for myself). All I could find was that the head of an AEG merger with some digital media group used to serve as a producer of the Oprah show.

http://www.aegdigitalmedia.com/about/michael-goldfine/

Michael Goldfine
President
AEG Digital Media

Michael Goldfine brings almost two decades of production, multi-platform content development and management experience to his leadership role at AEG Digital Media.

“As the demand for digital media production and distribution grows, AEG Digital Media is uniquely positioned to deliver a range of services that is unmatched in the industry,” Goldfine says.

AEG Digital Media’s production resources give the company the ability to produce and capture any live event, on any timeframe, from anywhere on the planet. Whether the final product is a worldwide live event, a Webcast with an audience in the hundreds of thousands, a national primetime broadcast or a commercial for a major consumer brand, AEG Digital Media has every aspect of the production process covered.

In his previous post as president of AEG Productions, Goldfine oversaw The Michael Jackson Tribute among other high-profile events.

Previously, Goldfine was the head of development and production at AT&T. In that role he managed content acquisition and development for television, broadband and mobile. He negotiated and closed several multimedia deals while at AT&T, and also served as executive producer on a wide array of programming including, Dave Matthews Band Live from West Point, The 2007 Masters, and The Road to Beijing 2008: Tips and Training from the US Olympic Team.

Prior to his work with AT&T, Goldfine was president of Fine Tooth Media, and served as vice president of programming and production for NetworkLIVE.

Goldfine entered the management side of content distribution after a successful career as a showrunner and producer of television and live entertainment content. His credits include Extra!, The Oprah Winfrey Show, American Idol, and NBC’s broadcast of the 2002 Winter Olympics from Salt Lake City.He is a graduate of the University of Illinois College of Law and The George Washington University.


Do you have anything to clear this up for us? I keep looking but I cannot find it. We can also ask Ivy to help us when she comes on, she is good at researching this kind of thing. I just want to be sure before I panic. Because, if this is true, this would be a huge conflict of interest. And since they will be the ones who have a hand in how the interview comes across, I would be worried.

[Big Apple2]

TThe Oprah Winfrey show is produced by. . . . . AEG.

Therefore, following the logic, this program will no doubt receive very high ratings, and will line the pockets of AEG execs and enhance the very company Katherine is suing for the death of her son. What is WRONG with this picture is obvious, right? If nothing else, she needs better counsel than has been happening, to date.

Just when you think you have heard it all, someone reveals information like this and you have to ask: "WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON!"

Is Oprah Winfrey setting Mother Jackson up?

After seeing the AEG and Oprah Winfrey connection, I put NOTHING past anyone!

[Lucilla]

wow, interesting :unsure:

[Autumn II]

That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
(The significance will be for the attorneys to figure out?)

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/aeg-digital.html

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/images/hdr-aegdigital.gif
AEG Digital Media is the leader in live event production, delivering
the highest quality end product efficiently and reliably. With a full
staff of industry professionals and advanced production facilities,
our studio and the L.A. LIVE campus provide a fully interconnected
production playground. AEG Digital Media has produced live
broadcast events including the Michael Jackson Tribute, Live Earth
and the Olympics; on-demand streaming events including the Democratic
National Convention, the GRAMMY® Awards,
the MTV Video Music Awards and The Masters Golf Tournament;
and high-profile national broadcasts including American Idol,
Extra! and The Oprah Winfrey Show.

[Justthefacts]

Not this again

[Ashtanga]

:no:


OMG!!! No comments.... *big sigh*

[elusive moonwalker]

According to Randy Jackson this was kept from him, at least that's what he wrote on Twitter. He is not happy about it.

funny how he always likes to play the victim and act like he knows nothing about things and has been kept in the dark. he doth protest to much. hes prob the one who set it up or if he didnt he just pissed that he hasnt got a cut from it.

[ginvid]

That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
(The significance will be for the attorneys to figure out?)

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/aeg-digital.html

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/images/hdr-aegdigital.gif
AEG Digital Media is the leader in live event production, delivering
the highest quality end product efficiently and reliably. With a full
staff of industry professionals and advanced production facilities,
our studio and the L.A. LIVE campus provide a fully interconnected
production playground. AEG Digital Media has produced live
broadcast events including the Michael Jackson Tribute, Live Earth
and the Olympics; on-demand streaming events including the Democratic
National Convention, the GRAMMY® Awards,
the MTV Video Music Awards and The Masters Golf Tournament;
and high-profile national broadcasts including American Idol,
Extra! and The Oprah Winfrey Show.

What you posted makes me continue to question. AEG Live is a company that does live performances. While Oprah has done live shows (which I would assume these are the ones AEG was part of), this is not her normal show format. Also when speaking of the relationship with Oprah, the article uses past tense, implying the relationship is not current.

I was just wondering if we could find some information that shows a current connection between AEG and Oprah as this would he a huge conflict of interest for the Jackson's family. Again, it is not me trying to be a bully or anything, I am just trying to find out accurately before I start my hysterics.

I don' t want to get worked up over something that may not have current significance. That is all. Don't take it the wrong way.

[angelofinnocence]

ugh. What a mess. I just am so confused right now. I still respect Mrs. Jackson, and hope she will not say something silly and shoot herself in the foot and prejudice the case against Dr.Murray and pyscho Oprah hasn't manipulated her otherwise this whole interview will be an PR fiasco and in the end, MJ's legacy will suffer. Michael's mother and PPB are the only members of MJ's immediate family I still hold in great esteem. I pray Mrs. Jackson has not let Michael down or the fans down.

[Sophielo]

Um, what the hell is going on now? So confused.

[angelofinnocence]

Can I just say, I have just read Taj's message to the fans. I support Katherine because of all she did for Michael and how Michael felt about her. I have decided to trust her on this one. L.O.V.E

[Asedora]

I think it could be confusing that Oprah show is "connected" with AEG. Ok what did you expect? There are probably agreements/contracts between Oprah's show and AEG as a production company and both have to follow this agreement.

It is nOT that simple like everybody might think. It is not like Oprah under AEG control. It does not work that way imo.

Everything is connected in show business: Sony, AEG, Oprah, Michael Jackson estate you name it. If AEG will not be happy with Katherine doing that interview they probably have to follow the contract they have with Oprah’s show no matter what.

I do believe that AEG has no control over which person Oprah would want to interview. As a journalist she has this kind of independency at least.

Anyways...I think we have to TRUST Katherine and respect her choice because whatever she does, she does it for her son.
Peace.

[Joyce]

I would think that the children's Guardian Ad leitem (sp?) should look into this possible connection if the names Prince, Paris or Blanket is even mentioned. I don't think an interview in the children's home where they live is appropriate at all. Their Daddy paid for that house, and worked hard for that money.

[ginvid]

Asedora, I am going to agree with you on this. I cannot find anything to say that AEG currently produces her show. I also think that there connection is not so cut and dry. When you have a show like Oprah's, she is bound to cross paths with a company like AEG at some point. After what I have been able to find, I don't think this is a case of AEG controlling Oprah either. I think she acts quite independently.

I have decided I will not panic. Their previous relationship is something to keep in mind. But I do not think it is a reason to go in hysterics over.

I do not agree with Katherine's decision to go on Oprah at all. I think it is in very bad taste. But I am not going to bash her over it. I also, cannot say I am not weary on what is going on behind the scenes with regard to who is influencing her. I do think she wants to do what is best, but "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". So the fact that her intentions are pure does not necessarily put me to ease. With that said, I do believe she loves MJ and wants what is best for him and I do think she would like to die knowing she in some way helped to clear his name. What mother wouldn't want this for her son?

But I am not going to add to my fellow members fervor by implying that Oprah is under the control of AEG. Until I get something more conclusive, at least for me, that line has been drawn.

[Diplomate]

If the Jacksons didn(t know this, I think they will know it very quickly. I already saw some tweets about this, and it's on the KOP board now.

And on one french forum too.

I think Taj, must check the MJ boards, so the Jacksons will know very fast...

I hope Katherine will cancel this interview.

[CherubimII]

I am only interested in knowing whether the needs
of Michael's children are being met. :yes:
The rest is all non-creative "Jackson Family " dramas.

[xrisx]

Asedora, I am going to agree with you on this. I cannot find anything to say that AEG currently produces her show. I also think that there connection is not so cut and dry. When you have a show like Oprah's, she is bound to cross paths with a company like AEG at some point. After what I have been able to find, I don't think this is a case of AEG controlling Oprah either. I think she acts quite independently.

I have decided I will not panic. Their previous relationship is something to keep in mind. But I do not think it is a reason to go in hysterics over.

I do not agree with Katherine's decision to go on Oprah at all. I think it is in very bad taste. But I am not going to bash her over it. I also, cannot say I am not weary on what is going on behind the scenes with regard to who is influencing her. I do think she wants to do what is best, but "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". So the fact that her intentions are pure does not necessarily put me to ease. With that said, I do believe she loves MJ and wants what is best for him and I do think she would like to die knowing she in some way helped to clear his name. What mother wouldn't want this for her son?

But I am not going to add to my fellow members fervor by implying that Oprah is under the control of AEG. Until I get something more conclusive, at least for me, that line has been drawn.

I agree with this. AEG probably helped when she did those live shows outside. You know like the one with the Black eyed peas performance and that big Flashmob they did?
I could see how a company like AEG would be involved with that.
Otherwise AEG probably has nothing to do with her show.

I think we all need to take a deep breath about this whole thing.
I don't think doing this interview was a smart choice in some ways (like I said before), however at this point we'll just have to wait and see what was said and done.

[gerryevans]

That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?
(The significance will be for the attorneys to figure out?)

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/aeg-digital.html

http://www.lalive.com/eventsales/images/hdr-aegdigital.gif
AEG Digital Media is the leader in live event production, delivering
the highest quality end product efficiently and reliably. With a full
staff of industry professionals and advanced production facilities,
our studio and the L.A. LIVE campus provide a fully interconnected
production playground. AEG Digital Media has produced live
broadcast events including the Michael Jackson Tribute, Live Earth
and the Olympics; on-demand streaming events including the Democratic
National Convention, the GRAMMY® Awards,
the MTV Video Music Awards and The Masters Golf Tournament;
and high-profile national broadcasts including American Idol,
Extra! and The Oprah Winfrey Show.


I'm not the most tech savvy or industry savvy person, but I think the "digital" moniker in a company refers mainly to internet related aspects, including streaming, websites, etc.

Oprah's show I believe is wholly owned and produced by Harpo Productions, that is Oprah. I believe she is fully independent of AEG and any corporate entity, except in contracting them for their services. They may be accountable to her for her purposes, but she is not accountable to them.

[Autumn II]

Of course, anyone can look into this further, if they want. It seems pretty wide-ranging, and includes television "content production." In terms of the television interview, those involved in ongoing lawsuits would be wise to keep pretty low profiles until the criminal trial is finished, and both lawsuits have been dealt with by the courts. In my opinion. . . . If there is any connection, past or current, with the company Katherine is suing (and there seems to BE), best not to air the interview?

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[Moulin Rouge]

I am only interested in knowing whether the needs
of Michael's children are being met. :yes:
The rest is all non-creative "Jackson Family " dramas.

What needs? what can you do for them?

[ivy]

2. Katherine has been interviewed by Oprah Winfrey (airing date to be announced?). The Oprah Winfrey show is produced by. . . . . AEG.

Actually No. AEG doesn't produce it. See below


Oprah's show I believe is wholly owned and produced by Harpo Productions, that is Oprah.

As gerryevans said Oprah show is wholly owned and produced by Harpo Entertainment Inc. That's Oprah's private owned Chicago based company.

I checked the people involved with it

Oprah Winfrey Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Jeffrey D. Jacobs President and Chief Operating Officer
Doug Pattison Chief Financial Officer

You can also see that Harpo was the producing company for Michael special in 1993 as well.

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0093748/


About AEG LIVE connection


What you posted makes me continue to question. AEG Live is a company that does live performances. While Oprah has done live shows (which I would assume these are the ones AEG was part of), this is not her normal show format. Also when speaking of the relationship with Oprah, the article uses past tense, implying the relationship is not current.

I think ginvid is right on this instance. For example with a basic search I have seen that Oprah's "Color Purple" musical was produced by Oprah et al (including Quincy Jones) and there was a special association with AEG Live - meaning that they arranged/managed the US wide tour of the musical.

Also as far as I can tell AEG Live played a role in Black Eyed Peas Live performance on Oprah's show (on the season opening) as they were producing their tour - not Oprah's show.

As a conclusion : It's obvious that AEG's and Oprah's paths have passed several times but they are not producing and/or controlling Oprah Show.

[elusive moonwalker]

What needs? what can you do for them? dont think the are saying they can do anything. they are just intrested in knowing/hoping about how/if they are being effected by all this crap. which anyone would be

[Autumn II]

I'm just hoping that Katherine vetted this interview with her attorneys, and they did a thorough check. . . . As the blurb above states, AEG does content for television, among their other services. What there role has been/is with the Oprah show, I'd hope that Katherine's attorneys would look into carefully. A tv show has many producers, with varying roles. I'd say it would be wise to be extremely cautious. Although it's true that Oprah owns her own show, that AEG has had some production role with the Oprah show, is fact. I'm not really concerned about control of content, because Oprah controls her own show, but the payment received by various parties for working on the show. That seems to muddy the water about the lawsuit?

That this is happening at all tells me that Katherine probably did not consult with her attorneys before agreeing to do the show. At the very least, I'm hoping that they can air the interview AFTER the trial and lawsuits have been dealt with?

[Asedora]

Asedora, I am going to agree with you on this. I cannot find anything to say that AEG currently produces her show. I also think that there connection is not so cut and dry. When you have a show like Oprah's, she is bound to cross paths with a company like AEG at some point. After what I have been able to find, I don't think this is a case of AEG controlling Oprah either. I think she acts quite independently.

I have a feeling that Oprah might be only the one who is willing to do this interview. She might have her own agenda, yes and we do not know what. Maybe at some point she got pissed off with AEG or just wants to do it for Michael Jackson and her own show raitings or both. I do not think that Larry King is a guy who would do it for Katherine you know.... .


I have decided I will not panic. Their previous relationship is something to keep in mind. But I do not think it is a reason to go in hysterics over.

That's right. Better not to panic.


I do not agree with Katherine's decision to go on Oprah at all. I think it is in very bad taste. But I am not going to bash her over it. I also, cannot say I am not weary on what is going on behind the scenes with regard to who is influencing her. I do think she wants to do what is best, but "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". So the fact that her intentions are pure does not necessarily put me to ease. With that said, I do believe she loves MJ and wants what is best for him and I do think she would like to die knowing she in some way helped to clear his name. What mother wouldn't want this for her son?


Like I said Oprah could be just the one who wants to do it. Katherine probably does not have too many choices. Sometimes it is just like that and she ended up with Oprah.

[CherubimII]

What needs? what can you do for them?
Stop misquoting me, and pretending I said things I did not say.

[noumene]

The photos seem to be quite low quality, so I'd say someone took them with their phone or something. My guess is that someone from O's team.
Yep, also looks like he forgot that glass reflects:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3194/owhayvenhurst.jpg

[AllForLove]

I'm just hoping that Katherine vetted this interview with her attorneys, and they did a thorough check. . . . As the blurb above states, AEG does content for television, among their other services. What there role has been/is with the Oprah show, I'd hope that Katherine's attorneys would look into carefully. A tv show has many producers, with varying roles. I'd say it would be wise to be extremely cautious. Although it's true that Oprah owns her own show, that AEG has had some production role with the Oprah show, is fact. I'm not really concerned about control of content, because Oprah controls her own show, but the payment received by various parties for working on the show. That seems to muddy the water about the lawsuit?

That this is happening at all tells me that Katherine probably did not consult with her attorneys before agreeing to do the show. At the very least, I'm hoping that they can air the interview AFTER the trial and lawsuits have been dealt with?

AEG Digital Media and AEG Live are companies from the AEG Group (among several others), they are juridically separated and the fact that Ms Jackson sued AEG Live have nothing to do with AEG Digital Media, so there wouldn't exist conflict interest even if AEG DM produces the OWS, what it is not the case. Harpo productions had probably rent AEG DM services and they use the OWS name as a "client".

[AllForLove]

Yep, also looks like he forgot that glass reflects:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3194/owhayvenhurst.jpg

it's the biter ! :D

[Moulin Rouge]

Stop misquoting me, and pretending I said things I did not say.

I quoted your post directly, i didn't misquote you. Like I said what needs? the kids are fine but if you happen to not like what is provided for them what can you do for them?

[Autumn II]

AEG Digital Media and AEG Live are companies from the AEG Group (among several others), they are juridically separated and the fact that Ms Jackson sued AEG Live have nothing to do with AEG Digital Media, so there wouldn't exist conflict interest even if AEG DM produces the OWS, what it is not the case. Harpo productions had probably rent AEG DM services and they use the OWS name as a "client".

The overarching parent company is Anschutz Entertainment Group, and I'd expect it would be for the attorneys to sort out. My point is, though, that this interview is extremely unwise for many reasons, given that there is civil suit coming up. . . .

[AllForLove]

Yes I understand what you mean, AEG is AEG whatever the name it has, but attorneys see things only from legal perspective and AEG DM is not involved in the civil suit - However as it has been said, the Oprah's is not produced by AEG DM.

[Autumn II]

Yes I understand what you mean, AEG is AEG whatever the name it has, but attorneys see things only from legal perspective and AEG DM is not involved in the civil suit -

Not sure how this would shake out, given that AEG owns or controls all its subsidiary companies. Regardless, I think Katherine's interview is very unwise.

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[AllForLove]

I have already read this - That's why I said, even if there is a main control, they are juridically separated, each company has its own board, it's own staff ... and its own troubles. :cheeky:

[Topflux]

Oprah has had something like a hundred of producers through the years...

[ExoticPrincess]

Randy did'nt seem to have a problem with Janet being interviewed by Oprah, but he does seem to have issues with his Mother and Father being interviewed by her, why is that?

Karen Faye was encouraging of Lisa-Marie being interivewed by Ms. O, but now has a problem with Mrs. Jackson being interviewed by same.

Bottomline, not eveything we see being done will always be about MJ's legacy, personal interests will be evident more than ever unfortunately. I'm not on the inside to know whats truly going on so I'll try to reserve judgements until I know more.

I see a whole lot of confusion and contention in the future....

[Autumn II]

I have already read this - That's why I said, even if there is a main control, they are juridically separated, each company has its own board, it's own staff ... and its own troubles. :cheeky:

Not going to go around about this again, except to agree to disagree. It's complex, but the parent company is indeed responsible for subsidiary companies in a variety of situations, and they are not wholly separate. Boards of directors of subsidiaries generally report back to the parent company, and the parent company may issue directives to the subsidiaries. AEG is a huge and multi-faceted corporation, but it's subsidiaries are not wholly independent, or they would be separate companies. See below. The law on this is a work-in-progress and I STILL say it could be worked out in court. All that would be the subject of further research, if anyone has the interest.

My POINT is, that for a variety of reasons, Katherine's appearance on Oprah is unwise at this time. So let's move on? :flowers:

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25 09 2009 - Joseph Wilde-Ramsing
In his April 2009 report to the UN Human Rights Council, Professor John G. Ruggie, Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General on business & human rights, highlighted the “increase in civil cases brought against parent companies for their acts and omissions in relation to harm involving their foreign subsidiaries”. The acknowledgement that parent companies must take responsibility for the actions and activities of their subsidiaries around the world is also beginning to play out in the arena of the OECD Guidelines for Multinational Enterprises and the Specific Instance procedure.

[Ashtanga]

Well, on what day will pass on tv this interview (Oprah > :puke:)?

[Tinker_Bell]

Whatever decision Mrs Jackson took to be on Oprah or not, we have to stand by her side. She is the mother of the angel we adore, and if she thinks its the right decision, then it is. Lets just wait and see what the outcome will be like, maybe it will be something positive.

All Im saying is that we are the fans, Michael is within all of us, we have to show support to the Jackson family, specially Mrs Jackson. She has gone through alot in her life and still is, lets be her rock.

L.O.V.E. to u all

[Sophielo]

Guys I have checked this out and what has been said here is incorrect. AEG digital are a satellite production company that produces media for live events, including the Oprah live events. AEG does not help in any way produce the Oprah Winfrey Show.

[Tipareth]

I've been on other board for lot of time, but now I think is time for me to return here and stay. I am not pleased with the level of censorship over there. . . it's very worrying....

It's started simple, with some fans getting mad on others criticisms over the Jacksons. Now we can't open mouth to say few words. It's fear regime in there.

So pay attention folks here is like in old good times, a board dedicated to Michael Jackson, but if we fear criticism and confuse criticism with hate, then this is the path to censorship.

[Tipareth]

I wonder if it is possible for us to step away from our thoughts and opinions and seek God on what is right and appropriate to say...

I wonder if those who don't know God could step back forgetting thoughts and opinions and search the heart for what is right and apropriate to say...

I wonder where does criticism and love abide together... Criticism is not a friend to love but I imagine love would take criticism in with a smile and warm welcoming arms... Criticism would likely find a way to criticize the actions of love...

If love encouraged criticism to be kind would criticism feel critisized or would the two perhaps find a new place of understanding???

I am at loss for the words to say to one who does not understand me, my words or beliefs... I speak out in love, not in hopes of obtaining love but rather expanding the LOVE that already exists...

I am not intent to offend, hamper or harm but to provoke LOVE...



Really? How come criticism and love cannot live together? These are dictatorial remarks, sorry.


They can coexist together, Mike for exemple got very analitical and critical mind. In interviews he try to not come as very critical, but in personal discussions, or in that book of dialogues with Schmuley.... read the adobe text fans made, and see how critical Michael himself could be!! LOL
Anyway this rapport between love and critic is not the point over here, anyway. Here people have a topic of discussion first. Apart of some short bursts,
I didn't see hate, or gross disrespect, so why is so hard to tolerate this normal discussion, a bit heated here and there, but it's normal process....

Instead of people forcing themselves to behave 'appropriate'.....

As for the family they are in the spot light, they need to face those criticisms with grace, because it's normal. They wanna sell products, they wanna fans to buy tickets at their shows, they wanna all this attention, but they suffer criticisms, coming from various people on various continents? One come with another, people are not robots, fans are not robots of buying stuff and smile at everything you do. This is very narrowed view of a fan, a human being that follows you passively without judgment of his own. ( I saw this view on Janet, telling us to know our place, even Mike had it long time ago, almost till mid 80s ) But Mike grew up, and come to see us for what we really are. Human beings with soul and brains, human beings that out of love give him ideas, inspiration, courage and yeah even criticize him!! Flash news, he took this with class and received this so well, not crying like a baby.

Taj should accommodate himself with his thought, and stop paying attention to every fan on twitter, loving or less loving. Fans are MILLIONS, Taj dear. You need to grow thicker skin, and understand this.:better:Twitter is nice tool, but also can exhaust you and make you waste lot of time twittering to all those various people, that are fans of your uncle, not necessarily of your entirely family.

[bluetopez]

Randy did'nt seem to have a problem with Janet being interviewed by Oprah, but he does seem to have issues with his Mother and Father being interviewed by her, why is that?

Karen Faye was encouraging of Lisa-Marie being interivewed by Ms. O, but now has a problem with Mrs. Jackson being interviewed by same.

Bottomline, not eveything we see being done will always be about MJ's legacy, personal interests will be evident more than ever unfortunately. I'm not on the inside to know whats truly going on so I'll try to reserve judgements until I know more.

I see a whole lot of confusion and contention in the future....

^Exactly, I agree with Taj saying what he said to the fans! But, at the same time he needs to speak to his uncle Randy who ain't making it any easier!:doh: And Katherine never said anything like what LMP said about MJ in interviews for Karen Faye to go off like that on MJ's Parents! I could understand if she meant Joe but, katty too? And then defend LMP?...:mello: NO!:smilerolleyes:

Also, Randy is a trip cause he never said anything about Janet on Oprah!:no: Yet his parents go on her show and he bitches?:doh: When Randy went on CNN Janet supported him too! Because there where on the same page when it came to MJ!:no: So it makes me wonder what is he so afraid that his parents might say since he so against it? :scratch: Hmmm....WTH is going on?:ph34r:

[JMie]

Maybe Randy is just pissed because he wasn't invited....

[Diplomate]

Randy is pissed when is not on the medias.

He must be happy now...


Anyway, Katherine should cancel this interview.Oprah want use the name of Michael one more time for the ratings, she'll be sad with Katherine, and after she will sill think that Mike is a pedophile.

To see Katherine smile with this woman, it's an insult for Mike.

[StacyJ]

Randy is pissed when is not on the medias.

He must be happy now...


Anyway, Katherine should cancel this interview.Oprah want use the name of Michael one more time for the ratings, she'll be sad with Katherine, and after she will sill think that Mike is a pedophile.

To see Katherine smile with this woman, it's an insult for Mike.

I agree with that..

[rockstar]

i saw this today in my newspaper

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii192/emiliarocks/news/newsaboutrandyjackson.jpg

[StacyJ]

Randy's comments have made the newspapers

[blankyluvdoodoo]

that is what he wanted.....smh

[nonth]

i saw this today in my newspaper

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii192/emiliarocks/news/newsaboutrandyjackson.jpg

Randy is not helping at all

[rockstar]

:no: Nope :no:

[rockstar]

Michael Jackson Wouldn’t Have Allowed Oprah to Talk to His Kids

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Oprah Winfrey recently taped an interview with the parents of the late Michael Jackson, Joe and Katherine, but also got to have a few words with the star’s children. Brother Randy Jackson is upset – and very vocal – about it.

As we also informed you (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Katherine-Joe-Jackson-Tape-Oprah-Interview-160504.shtml) a few days ago, Oprah and her production trucks were outside the family’s Encino home, which meant she was inside doing the interview with Katherine and Joe Jackson.

Photos of them sitting down for the interview (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Oprah-Interview-Will-Launch-Oksana-Grigorieva-s-Music-Career-159572.shtml) have already surfaced online, but, according to Randy, Oprah also included Michael’s three children in the talk as well, says E! Online (http://uk.eonline.com/uberblog/b205747_oprah_talks_michael_jacksons.html?).

Since word of this got out, Randy has taken to Twitter to vent, saying the last thing Michael would have permitted, had he still been alive, had just happened.

“I found out Oprah was at our family home, my stomach ached and it still hasn’t gone away,” Randy tweets. He then goes on to explain why he was so upset.

“I had no prior knowledge this was going to happen. It was deliberately kept from me because they knew I would have tried to stop it,” he says.

“I know how Oprah feels about my brother and family. I also know that he would not have wanted this,” Randy continues.

Back in the day when Michael was being trialed on molestation charges and the entire world turned its back to him, so did Oprah. And she didn’t stop here either.

Michael never forgot that, Randy adds. “In fact, she is the last person on earth he would want around his children...” Michael’s brother says.

As Randy sees it, it was no coincidence that Oprah ran a show on child abuse precisely when Michael was being accused of the same crime – she was pointing a finger at him.

This means she has no right to be sitting down with Michael’s children to see how they’re doing now that he’s gone, says Randy.

“That was no coincidence. I know there are a lot of you out there upset and angry over this. I don’t blame you... can you imagine how I feel. I’m angry 2...” he explains.

“Let our anger be the fuel that ignites our desire for truth, and keeps us unified on the road to justice for him,” Randy urges his followers in a more recent tweet.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Michael-Jackson-Wouldn-t-Have-Allowed-Oprah-to-Talk-to-His-Kids-161238.shtml

Report: Michael Jackson's Children To Be Involved In Oprah Interview (http://celebritybabyscoop.com/2010/10/14/report-michael-jacksons-children-to-be-involved-in-oprah-interview)

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According to recent reports, Michael Jackson (http://celebritybabyscoop.com/taxonomy/term/282)’s three children – Prince Michael, 13, Paris, 12 and Blanket, 8 – will open up about their late father in a candid interview with Oprah Winfrey.
It was originally rumoured (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/winfrey-to-interview-jackson-kids_1172258) that the talk show queen visited Michael’s mother, Katherine Jackson, at her home in Encino, Calif. on Saturday (October 9), where she sat down with the children’s grandmother as well as their grandfather, Joe Jackson. Oprah was also treated to a tour of the family’s property.

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Randy Jackson hits out at Oprah
(UKPA) – 2 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/media/ALeqM5hdzkzr_97FMiawc0AQUcZEBikSAw?docId=N02890812 87138112797A&size=s2 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/slideshow/ALeqM5g3tHvK-0H2HXOKJmJU26oR_CyHzw?docId=N0285971287131048652A&index=0)





Randy Jackson has hit out at Oprah Winfrey over an interview she did at the Jackson family home.
Randy didn't say who Oprah interviewed, but tweeted: "I know everyone wants to know my position on the Oprah interview.
"First, let me say that I love my mother and father. I am humbly grateful to have them as my parents. But I don't always agree with the choices they make. This is one of those times."
He went on: "I found out Oprah was at our family home, my stomach ached and it still hasn't gone away. I had no prior knowledge this was going to happen. It was deliberately kept from me because they knew I would have tried to stop it.
"I also know that he [Michael] would not have wanted this."
Meanwhile, Oprah is set take the hot seat for a change when she is grilled by US presenter Barbara Walters.
Barbara will chat to Oprah about the end of the daytime star's talk show.
The Oprah special will also include the star talking about memorable moments in her 25-year-old show. She is giving it up at the end of this season and concentrating on her own cable network.
ABC said that Barbara will do the interview in Chicago at Oprah's home and Harpo Studios.




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[yaazgurl]

that is what he wanted.....smh

LOL. Randy is not saying anything different than the fans who do not want this interview. And I think he highlighted the main reason perfectly. Yet fans are upset that the truth about Oprah is being printed for the world to see. LOL. I don't think anyone on here can prove that Randy did not love his brother. Even with the Sony catalog issue, I guess I didn't love Michael since I thought he should have sold it several times including after I learned that he had died. The only thing it proves is that Michael had more foresight not that Randy did not love his brother. This thing about the MJJSource. Personally, I don't feel it was a scam. It was something I enjoyed immensely and I benefitted from in many ways but from my understanding there were several people involved in that so I'm still waiting on official word before I blame Randy for scamming people. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion concerning Randy. People are out to prove how evil he is. LOL. I don't support him with everything but I do support him on this. I think its silly to fight against someone when they are on the same page as you on an issue.

Edit: I see the media is still skating around the main issue. Well at least one publication printed exactly what he said about Oprah.

[Jabz]

^^^

This! A thousand times this!

[Indra]

LOL. Randy is not saying anything different than the fans who do not want this interview. And I think he highlighted the main reason perfectly. Yet fans are upset that the truth about Oprah is being printed for the world to see. LOL. I don't think anyone on here can prove that Randy did not love his brother. Even with the Sony catalog issue, I guess I didn't love Michael since I thought he should have sold it several times including after I learned that he had died. The only thing it proves is that Michael had more foresight not that Randy did not love his brother. This thing about the MJJSource. Personally, I don't feel it was a scam. It was something I enjoyed immensely and I benefitted from in many ways but from my understanding there were several people involved in that so I'm still waiting on official word before I blame Randy for scamming people. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion concerning Randy. People are out to prove how evil he is. LOL. I don't support him with everything but I do support him on this. I think its silly to fight against someone when they are on the same page as you on an issue.

Edit: I see the media is still skating around the main issue. Well at least one publication printed exactly what he said about Oprah.

I couldn't agree more. It's about time someone said something about Oprah and I'm glad some parts of the media are reporting this. Not that I think Oprah cares at all, but at least some peopel will read it and see how false she is.

[blankyluvdoodoo]

LOL. Randy is not saying anything different than the fans who do not want this interview. And I think he highlighted the main reason perfectly. Yet fans are upset that the truth about Oprah is being printed for the world to see. LOL. I don't think anyone on here can prove that Randy did not love his brother. Even with the Sony catalog issue, I guess I didn't love Michael since I thought he should have sold it several times including after I learned that he had died. The only thing it proves is that Michael had more foresight not that Randy did not love his brother. This thing about the MJJSource. Personally, I don't feel it was a scam. It was something I enjoyed immensely and I benefitted from in many ways but from my understanding there were several people involved in that so I'm still waiting on official word before I blame Randy for scamming people. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion concerning Randy. People are out to prove how evil he is. LOL. I don't support him with everything but I do support him on this. I think its silly to fight against someone when they are on the same page as you on an issue.

Edit: I see the media is still skating around the main issue. Well at least one publication printed exactly what he said about Oprah.

i don't know why u are telling me this but lets just agree to disagree .u don't believe it ,that is ur opinion and i have mine .i don't trust randy and action speak louder then word.i have seen all his stunt and i am done with him .if he has issue with hoprah then why throw ur parents under the bus,go home talk to ur parents.why he is the only one trying to sell himself sane one in family by throwing every one under the bus.

[elusive moonwalker]

randys only going off on his tweet cause someone called him out on that radar article. hes such a terrible lair and so fake its laughable

he likes playing devils advocate and tries to become a hero for some fans cause he says what they want to hear. ie the interviews terrible i never knew about it blah blah blah.

[Sharon B. Sidney]

Tipareth you wrote:
"I've been on other board for lot of time, but now I think is time for me to return here and stay. I am not pleased with the level of censorship over there. . . it's very worrying....

It's started simple, with some fans getting mad on others criticisms over the Jacksons. Now we can't open mouth to say few words. It's fear regime in there.

So pay attention folks here is like in old good times, a board dedicated to Michael Jackson, but if we fear criticism and confuse criticism with hate, then this is the path to censorship."
You quoted this:
Originally Posted by Sharon B. Sidney
I wonder if it is possible for us to step away from our thoughts and opinions and seek God on what is right and appropriate to say...

I wonder if those who don't know God could step back forgetting thoughts and opinions and search the heart for what is right and appropriate to say...

I wonder where does criticism and love abide together... Criticism is not a friend to love but I imagine love would take criticism in with a smile and warm welcoming arms... Criticism would likely find a way to criticize the actions of love...

If love encouraged criticism to be kind would criticism feel criticized or would the two perhaps find a new place of understanding???

I am at loss for the words to say to one who does not understand me, my words or beliefs... I speak out in love, not in hopes of obtaining love but rather expanding the LOVE that already exists...

I am not intent to offend, hamper or harm but to provoke LOVE...

　
then you wrote:
　

Really? How come criticism and love cannot live together? These are dictatorial remarks, sorry.
They can coexist together, Mike for exemple got very analitical and critical mind. In interviews he try to not come as very critical, but in personal discussions, or in that book of dialogues with Schmuley.... read the adobe text fans made, and see how critical Michael himself could be!! LOL
Anyway this rapport between love and critic is not the point over here, anyway. Here people have a topic of discussion first. Apart of some short bursts,
I didn't see hate, or gross disrespect, so why is so hard to tolerate this normal discussion, a bit heated here and there, but it's normal process....
Instead of people forcing themselves to behave 'appropriate'.....
As for the family they are in the spot light, they need to face those criticisms with grace, because it's normal. They wanna sell products, they wanna fans to buy tickets at their shows, they wanna all this attention, but they suffer criticisms, coming from various people on various continents? One come with another, people are not robots, fans are not robots of buying stuff and smile at everything you do. This is very narrowed view of a fan, a human being that follows you passively without judgment of his own. ( I saw this view on Janet, telling us to know our place, even Mike had it long time ago, almost till mid 80s ) But Mike grew up, and come to see us for what we really are. Human beings with soul and brains, human beings that out of love give him ideas, inspiration, courage and yeah even criticize him!! Flash news, he took this with class and received this so well, not crying like a baby.
Taj should accommodate himself with his thought, and stop paying attention to every fan on twitter, loving or less loving. Fans are MILLIONS, Taj dear. You need to grow thicker skin, and understand this.Twitter is nice tool, but also can exhaust you and make you waste lot of time twittering to all those various people, that are fans of your uncle, not necessarily of your entirely family.
I am curious, but perhaps this is not a question, perhaps this is more of me stating the thoughts inside of my own mind for whatever reasons they may be there, but I do wonder out of all of the posts you have chosen to read and comment to- why was it this one?
It seems your statements concerning my post on criticism and love has twisted my words and distorted the meaning and even go so far as to imply as if I had said that criticism and love could not abide together. I am sorry you misunderstood me but perhaps if you were to read it again you may find a way to understand what I was saying.
You also claimed that post had “dictatorial remarks” in it well, I do believe LOVE has absolute rule and conquers all so if that is what you mean then fine, however if there is something else you are inferring then again I humbly ask you to reread the post.
At some point you said:
“One come with another, people are not robots, fans are not robots of buying stuff and smile at everything you do. This is very narrowed view of a fan, a human being that follows you passively without judgment of his own.”
And I wondered - where did I recently hear a comment about robots revently… I don’t think people are robots but I do believe Michael encouraged the world to live and show love to others
　
Another thing on my mind and I have pondered whether or not I should address it, but I can’t help but wonder could you possibly have more than one user name in which the other is ginvid, I do wonder but I wont ask that question…
Before I go I do want to say that the interview Michael did with Schmuley was private and the parts that were harshly critical were not suppose to be there.
Love and blessings to you who were here before and have decided to return! I hope everyone treats you well… Welcome!!!

[yaazgurl]

i don't know why u are telling me this but lets just agree to disagree .u don't believe it ,that is ur opinion and i have mine .i don't trust randy and action speak louder then word.i have seen all his stunt and i am done with him .if he has issue with hoprah then why throw ur parents under the bus,go home talk to ur parents.why he is the only one trying to sell himself sane one in family by throwing every one under the bus.

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree. But you posted your opinon and I posted mine. And my post wasn't specifically directed at you so sorry if you took it personal.

[blankyluvdoodoo]

Yeah, let's just agree to disagree. But you posted your opinon and I posted mine. And my post wasn't specifically directed at you so sorry if you took it personal.

lol i am not taking it personally,i respect ur opinion and i just stated mine that is all .we are all grown ups .:hugs:

[Tipareth]

Tipareth you wrote:

And I wondered - where did I recently hear a comment about robots revently… I don’t think people are robots but I do believe Michael encouraged the world to live and show love to others
　
Another thing on my mind and I have pondered whether or not I should address it, but I can’t help but wonder could you possibly have more than one user name in which the other is ginvid, I do wonder but I wont ask that question…
Before I go I do want to say that the interview Michael did with Schmuley was private and the parts that were harshly critical were not suppose to be there.
Love and blessings to you who were here before and have decided to return! I hope everyone treats you well… Welcome!!!



- Well Sharon I've replayed to you because you I felt your text to be more pertinent text to replay to.

- Then the robots remark, got nothing to do with your sayings... indeed.... But when reading various fans asking again and again, for fans to behave and to be 'appropriate' toward Jacksons, and to not critic them too much, or at all.... I've kinda started to form a view toward that .... Even Janet herself said it, fans to know their place. Meaning even if some are in the wrong we got not right to express....
So this remark got nothing to do with you, but more with an idea, a concept of what fans 'should do', how fans 'should behave'. That 'should' attitude toward fans, then the high expectation from stars and media ( not only Jacksons ) that those fans should go and buy products.

In their heads fans are like robotic buy things machines, but when it comes to criticism, or expressing not so comfy ideas, then yeah they are rapidly hurt. Including journalists. For them we are 'rabid fans', 'fanatics' not people with brains, jobs, some of us even with master or doctorate degrees.

In a word, shut up and buy! This is the mentality I was talking about and this was a bit of a digression inside my replay to you.



- As for me being ginvid, so far away from the truth. Even if you do not ask ( in fact you cleverlly asked ) I give you an answer because it's simple. I am girl and I am from far away, from Romania.
On KOP Board people know me as Cecilia ( my true name ), and here I am Tipareth. I do not have multiple accounts. :cheers:

- regarding the Mike talks with Schmuley, it was private yes. But it was also true criticism there, not hate but criticism. And here is a mere Board, so I do not see it as something very, very serious if we dare to express true opinions and true criticism. So in the same boat as Mike. We are individuals the same as him, or journalists, or whatever therfor we are entitled to express opinions and criticism as long as we do not curse, wish death or other awful things.

- Thank you for the welcoming :D

[ivy]

LOL. Randy is not saying anything different than the fans who do not want this interview. And I think he highlighted the main reason perfectly. Yet fans are upset that the truth about Oprah is being printed for the world to see. LOL. I don't think anyone on here can prove that Randy did not love his brother. Even with the Sony catalog issue, I guess I didn't love Michael since I thought he should have sold it several times including after I learned that he had died. The only thing it proves is that Michael had more foresight not that Randy did not love his brother. This thing about the MJJSource. Personally, I don't feel it was a scam. It was something I enjoyed immensely and I benefitted from in many ways but from my understanding there were several people involved in that so I'm still waiting on official word before I blame Randy for scamming people. I don't expect to change anyone's opinion concerning Randy. People are out to prove how evil he is. LOL. I don't support him with everything but I do support him on this. I think its silly to fight against someone when they are on the same page as you on an issue.

Edit: I see the media is still skating around the main issue. Well at least one publication printed exactly what he said about Oprah.

The issue with Randy's twitter posts aren't his tweets/opinion/dislike about Oprah ( I agree that he stated the already known truth about the situation) but airing too much family's private business in the process.

On one hand you have Taj who apparently knew about the interview beforehand, discussed with Katherine what Oprah did (again before the interview) and it was decided to do set the record straight.

Then you add Randy's tweets to it in which he states "it was deliberately kept from me because they knew i would have tried to stop it"

so now not only openly he states the disagreements in the family but he also introduces schemes , backstabbing etc that happens in the family. According to his tweets not only he knows best (in multiple situations) and the other ones are wrong but they are having deliberate attempts to get their way, to block other family members. Randy single handily paints a dysfunctional and arguing and divided family portrait and IMO this is too much information to share with public.

Secondly not once , not twice but several times he states lapse of judgement (bad decisions) on his parents part which is once again should be kept private and should be discussed with the individual (regardless of whether it's true or wrong) IMO. Now can you blame fans for criticizing Katherine and Joe when their son has no reservation of not doing it publicly?

[ginvid]

Uh Sharon, I'm staff here. You are not allowed to have more than one user name. And believe me, Gaz keeps up on that. Staff members are definitely checked. Don't assume because people have similar thoughts that they are automatically the same person. Our whole writing style isn't even similar.

And I don't need to create another user name to get my point across. One of me is enough.

Thank you.:)

[elusive moonwalker]

Before I go I do want to say that the interview Michael did with Schmuley was private and the parts that were harshly critical were not suppose to be there.
the tape conversations? mj did that with schumk for a book they were writing together about raising kids etc although the "rabbi" seems to go alot futher with his questioning

[yaazgurl]

The issue with Randy's twitter posts aren't his tweets/opinion/dislike about Oprah ( I agree that he stated the already known truth about the situation) but airing too much family's private business in the process.

On one hand you have Taj who apparently knew about the interview beforehand, discussed with Katherine what Oprah did (again before the interview) and it was decided to do set the record straight.

Then you add Randy's tweets to it in which he states "it was deliberately kept from me because they knew i would have tried to stop it"

so now not only openly he states the disagreements in the family but he also introduces schemes , backstabbing etc that happens in the family. According to his tweets not only he knows best (in multiple situations) and the other ones are wrong but they are having deliberate attempts to get their way, to block other family members. Randy single handily paints a dysfunctional and arguing and divided family portrait and IMO this is too much information to share with public.

Secondly not once , not twice but several times he states lapse of judgement (bad decisions) on his parents part which is once again should be kept private and should be discussed with the individual (regardless of whether it's true or wrong) IMO. Now can you blame fans for criticizing Katherine and Joe when their son has no reservation of not doing it publicly?

Who said Katherine and Joe can't be criticized by fans? That's the problem. There's this whole mentality that certain Jacksons should be criticized no matter what they do and certain Jacksons shouldn't be criticized no matter what they do. Randy didn't disrespectfully disagree with his parents and imo fans can respectfully disagree with Randy but to assume things about him like he is behind this interview, he faked his heart attack, he had a hand in Michael's death is taking things too far. Just because many of the mods don't like Randy doesn't mean that all of that should be tolerated because he is a Jackson that its deemed okay to criticize. That's my point.

Edit: And some people did have a problem with Randy even pointing out the obvious simply because it was coming from him. If he remained silent then its because he's behind this whole "wrong" interview. If he talks then its because he's covering for the fact that he's behind this interview and he's looking to be the hero. Anything coming from Randy is a problem for some people.

[StaceyMJ]

Um, hang on...we have never allowed for anybody to be overly attacked. No we will not mute people who like one person but not others about someone else. I suggest if you have a problem with the moderation of the site then report posts or come to us. We can't see everything and be everywhere on this site.

[elusive moonwalker]

randy likes to cause trouble. u only have to look at the way he acts as ivy has pointed out. hes nothing but a shit stirer and has been for years we all know the crap he pulled around mj over the last 10 years.now hes going off on taj. and his buddies on twitter are claiming it was taj who leaked those photos taken from inside the house after tajs comment in his twitter. and as always he plays the victim and goes with what ever opinion the majortiy of fans are saying so it looks like hes on the fans side.. his actions are of someone who wants to split the family. no wonder he got sectioned.



Edit: And some people did have a problem with Randy even pointing out the obvious simply because it was coming from him. If he remained silent then its because he's behind this whole "wrong" interview. If he talks then its because he's covering for the fact that he's behind this interview and he's looking to be the hero. Anything coming from Randy is a problem for some people. randy will never remain silent cause hes an attention seaker. everything is about him anyone whos followed his ramblings on twitter over the last year can see that.

[yaazgurl]

Um, hang on...we have never allowed for anybody to be overly attacked. No we will not mute people who like one person but not others about someone else. I suggest if you have a problem with the moderation of the site then report posts or come to us. We can't see everything and be everywhere on this site.

I think you can simply read through this thread or the one on Joe Jackson in 2300 where a mod said no one in MJ's family loved him all they saw was money. To me that sets a very bad example. But you're right, I will report posts from now on.

[StaceyMJ]

I think you can simply read through this thread or the one on Joe Jackson in 2300 where a mod said no one in MJ's family loved him all they saw was money. To me that sets a very bad example. But you're right, I will report posts from now on.

Well OK, perhaps you're right. But we're fans too, we have opinions too. All that we ask is opinions are expressed in a respectful way, but yes please do report posts and they'll be looked into. :)

[Sharon B. Sidney]

Tipareth you are very welcome for the welcome,.<BR><BR>
I suspect perhaps you missed some of the things some fans were stating... Perhaps the moderators have removed them or you haven't read through the many pages. In any case there are people who have expressed that they feel people have made wrong choices and there are those who have in essence passed judgment on peoples motives- even going so far as to claim things similar to the blatant statement being attributed to Karen Faye..<BR><BR>
I personally do not think it is wrong for someone to express that they do not agree with someone’s actions however when people call people names, insult their character and motives I think it has changed from a form of criticism to an outright attack and that sickens me.<BR><BR>
I just want to encourage people to show love in what they say realizing our words have power. There is a scripture that I believe says life and death is in the power of the tongue. I believe that to be true in so many ways... One of which is when someone’s heart is broken and their spirit is crushed it's like a dying inside- would you agree? Many find a way to overcome these things still may others replay hurtful words until it buries them in some form or fashion... People also learn from others words and actions especially children and replicate them elsewhere… Shouldn‘t we be examples to each other on how love and criticism can co exist in the form of encouragement<BR><BR>
We also have the power to speak blessings and curses over others lives, the bible states I am paraphrasing I think - that with the same mouth we speak blessings with we curse others. I learned a long time ago that our words have power so I try to be really careful and honor God....<BR><BR>
Imagine if you loved and cared for a group of people like I feel right in presuming Michael and his family has so loved his fans. Imagine if a group of them were being harshly critical of your flesh and blood... What if they were bashing your mother? Wouldn't you think that they should know their place as in where the borders of what's appropriate or not appropriate to say? I don't know what quote you took such a statement from Janet from nor why or if she said it but if in fact she did perhaps that is why or she had another reason....<BR><BR>
We all stand on reasons and understanding another persons reasoning will help both us and them... One wise thing to do is state our opinions as I think rather than directly accuse someone of something or say it appears to me that this or that may be happening instead of saying this is what is happening when in fact we can't read anyone’s mind or know their motives or intentions...<BR><BR>
I have never perceived the Jacksons of having a “shut up and buy it attitude. I have seen them as hardworking individuals who have strived to create material worthy of being bought and Michael specifically as one who encouraged others to buy it, listen to it, get the message then share the love..<BR><BR>
Blessings to you and all!!!<BR><BR>

[yaazgurl]

randy likes to cause trouble. u only have to look at the way he acts as ivy has pointed out. hes nothing but a shit stirer and has been for years we all know the crap he pulled around mj over the last 10 years.now hes going off on taj. and his buddies on twitter are claiming it was taj who leaked those photos taken from inside the house after tajs comment in his twitter. and as always he plays the victim and goes with what ever opinion the majortiy of fans are saying so it looks like hes on the fans side.. his actions are of someone who wants to split the family. no wonder he got sectioned.


randy will never remain silent cause hes an attention seaker. everything is about him anyone whos followed his ramblings on twitter over the last year can see that.
Well Elusive, I have not seen his tweets concerning Taj and I do not agree with Randy's buddy Karen. However, I don't think Randy has done all wrong in the last ten years. In fact, I believe he literally saved MJ's life during the trial. He was not a good business man obviously but he did make a significant decision in MJ's favor and if people are looking at actions they should look at all of them imo.

Edit. Elusive, I checked my tweets and I don't see anything new from Randy about Taj or about anything. And please do not mention Johnny Cochran to me regarding MJ because if Cochran knew that Mez was such a good lawyer he could have gotten him for Michael the first time around instead of encouraging Michael to settle. No, I give the credit to Randy and people can try to discredit himfor that if they want.

Re-Edit. You actually said Cochrane? I don't know who that is.

[ginvid]

Edit, It isn't even necessary. I will say that fans sometimes need to read more carefully and stop attributing words to people that were never even said.

[elusive moonwalker]

I believe he literally saved MJ's life during the trial.oh please cause he brought mez in he didnt save anyones life.. it seems randy gets a pass for all the shit he has done and continues to do cause of one thing that he actually did right that didnt hurt mj.like he should be thanked for not hurting his bro! and it was jonnie cochrane that mentioned mez

[AllForLove]

oh please cause he brought mez in he didnt save anyones life.. it seems randy gets a pass for all the shit he has done and continues to do cause of one thing that he actually did right that didnt hurt mj.like he should be thanked for not hurting his bro! and it was jonnie cochrane that mentioned mez

:bugeyed do you really think that ? :mello:

[Justthefacts]

Randy gets way to much credit

[elusive moonwalker]

:bugeyed do you really think that ? :mello:

randy didnt save anyones life..mez was the lawyer who did the work.mark geragos is a fine lawyer and assertions cant be made that mj would have been convicted if geragos stayed in charge. anyway as i said it was cochrane that mentioned mez


Randy did'nt seem to have a problem with Janet being interviewed by Oprah, but he does seem to have issues with his Mother and Father being interviewed by her, why is that?
cause janet is best buddies with randy and ran with the memo of mj the druggie brother which no doubt came from him as friedman has mentioned.

[ivy]

I think we are discussing two separate things.


Who said Katherine and Joe can't be criticized by fans?

Taj did at least for Katherine. I'm saying that it's too much to ask from fans if their own son chooses to criticize them on a public platform such as twitter.

My whole issue with Randy is that he fuels a lot of controversy.



his buddies on twitter are claiming it was taj who leaked those photos taken from inside the house after tajs comment in his twitter.


I checked my tweets and I don't see anything new from Randy about Taj or about anything.

Randy didn't say anything about Taj or pictures but there are some fans (with close communications with Karen, Oxman, Randy, Joe etc) hinting that Taj was the one that sold the photos based on a inside family source.

[elusive moonwalker]

My whole issue with Randy is that he fuels a lot of controversy.
he does it on purpose hes as suttle as a brick

[Indra]

I don't really care why Randy is doing what he is doing THIS TIME, because all I want right now is for people to know who Oprah is and what she did to Michael and how false this whole thing is from her. I want her to know that we know, that many people konw and really don't like her for it. Now I know she probably wont know and don't care, but as long as someone, even if it's Randy, puts it out there and some media gets hold of it, fine by me. Because right now, Oprah is geting away with all the stuff she did and people think that's just her being sweet and nice as always, without knowing who she really is.

[Ashtanga]

Randy didn't say anything about Taj or pictures but there are some fans (with close communications with Karen, Oxman, Randy, Joe etc) hinting that Taj was the one that sold the photos based on a inside family source.

:unsure:

:o

[AngieJ]

I don't really care why Randy is doing what he is doing THIS TIME, because all I want right now is for people to know who Oprah is and what she did to Michael and how false this whole thing is from her. I want her to know that we know, that many people konw and really don't like her for it. Now I know she probably wont know and don't care, but as long as someone, even if it's Randy, puts it out there and some media gets hold of it, fine by me. Because right now, Oprah is geting away with all the stuff she did and people think that's just her being sweet and nice as always, without knowing who she really is.

I feel the same way. For once, i'm ok with Randy running his mouth. Someone needs to call Oprah out.

[yaazgurl]

I think we are discussing two separate things.



Taj did at least for Katherine. I'm saying that it's too much to ask from fans if their own son chooses to criticize them on a public platform such as twitter.

My whole issue with Randy is that he fuels a lot of controversy.


It would have been great if you had quoted Elusive's whole post that Randy was going off on Taj on twitter. That's what I was responding to and that was false. If you are assuming that the family source of these fans is Randy that's a leap in my opinion but some people (not specifically directed at you) will point to anything to insinuate things about Randy. And its already been shown who most likely leaked the photos on another board.

Randy didn't say anything about Taj or pictures but there are some fans (with close communications with Karen, Oxman, Randy, Joe etc) hinting that Taj was the one that sold the photos based on a inside family source.

Randy did not start this controversy and like I said anything he said would have been used against him. This was how many pages before Randy even responded? And he was blamed how many times for setting up the interview? His name was just injected the same way some insinuated that this was Joe's doing. Like I said, its promoted who can be criticized at all costs and who shouldn't be at any costs and there is something wrong with that.

It would have been great if you had quoted Elusive's whole post that Randy was going off on Taj on twitter. That's what I was responding to and that was false. If you are assuming that the family source of these fans is Randy that's a leap in my opinion but some people (not specifically directed at you) will point to anything to insinuate things about Randy. And its already been shown who most likely leaked the photos on another board.

I completely agree Indra and Angie. It shouldn't matter which Jackson is coming from. Randy correctly addressed the issue and put it out there exactly what Oprah did and the some in the media are reporting that. If people want to discredit it because its coming from him then they are fueling their own controversy.

Edit. More thoughts on the actual interview. Katherine and Joe may have the best intentions about getting the truth out about Michael but if Oprah has her own agenda she is the one who will be doing the editing and interjecting and their point may not get across at all. That's my concern. We saw it with Bashir and hopefully Oprah will take the high road but I'm not holding my breath for her. Hopefully, the Jacksons took a page from Michael's book and taped Oprah while she was taping them. On another note, maybe if the criticism reaches Oprah's ears she'll think twice about interjecting any bias.

[pilinlim]

I know it's not acceptable, in this forum, to criticize Michael's family members but the truth can't be denied; what Randy did to Michael during the last 10 years is, in black and white, disgusting. Even the likes of Diane Dimond and Nancy (Dis)grace have been better to Michael than Randy. Starting in 2003 when the little brother wormed his way into Michael's good graces by faking sympathy, by acting as if he was a good, loving and caring sibling who just wanted to help. Michael, being naive, falled in his trap and believed Randy genuinely cared about his welfare....just to realize, 2 years later, that his brother had done exactly the contrary of what he thought he was doing. That must have been one of the biggest facades he may have ever faced. Your bother is very nice to you and acts as if your welfare was important to him. You believe him, you believe he just wants to help just to realize, years later, that he was, in your back, acting as your biggest enemy.


Yaazgurl; I suggest you stop living in your Jackson bubble. You are allowed to love Randy. However, you are NOT allowed to dismiss everything the man did to his own flesh and blood while claiming person X, Z or Y is lying in regards to him. I'm getting sick of it and, even though the staff will never protect the ones who criticize the family even if a thousand facts are presented, I'll start reporting you.

It's because of people like you that great posters like Shimar, Williamorange, Lol007, Oceangirl, Snowhite and so on aren't in this board anymore. They dared to destroy your delusion with the truth.

[yaazgurl]

Yaazgurl; I suggest you stop living in your Jackson bubble. You are allowed to love Randy. However, you are NOT allowed to dismiss everything the man did to his own flesh and blood while claiming person X, Z or Y is lying in regards to him. I'm getting sick of it and, even though the staff will never protect the ones who criticize the family even if a thousand facts are presented, I'll start reporting you.

It's because of people like you that great posters like Shimar, Williamorange, Lol007, Oceangirl, Snowhite and so on aren't in this board anymore. They dared to destroy your delusion with the truth.

LOL. This has to be a joke. And this is extremism. Who said I loved Randy? That's the problem with some people. They can't see any good in a person because of some bad decisions. I support Randy on this and I've stated where in this thread I disagree with him. He is not perfect neither does he have to be to be right on something. Why you can't see that is beyond me but that's your problem. You still shouldn't be allowed to spread rumor about him when there is a clear indication you are wrong. And yes, I will report you in the future whether or not that get results. And you are free to report me but for what? For saying Randy is not an evil person? LOL. There are Jacksons I don't like. I don't spam the thread about them but I can give them credit where its due. I think that's balanced.

As far as your friends who are no longer here that you agree with, their being banned has nothing to do with me or my delusion as you call it. LOL.

Edit. And for the record, when I initially warned you about what could happen is was for the precise reason that I had seen it before and didn't want to see you go in that direction. However you have your own agenda concerning the Jacksons as you stated to me so no if something happens it has nothing to do with my "delusions".

[pilinlim]

LOL. This has to be a joke. And this is extremism. Who said I loved Randy? That's the problem with some people.

The delusion prevails.

The continuous dismission of his moral challenging actions points in that direction. And, if that is a problem, I can, for instance, give you some advice: it is not mine.


They can't see any good in a person because of some bad decisions.

Here's the problem I'm talking about. Well, actually, one of the problems; the perfect quote where delusion and dismissive behaviour have a, shall we say, curious fusion. "Some bad decisions"? Some? Do you even KNOW what Randy has been doing to Michael, as a person and a character, since 2003?

Hell, let's even forget his persistent "evil" (as you put it) actions against one of his siblings.
How can anyone defend a lazy sex addict who abandoned and abused his own children and who paid for more abortions than any B rated pornstar is, as simple as this, beyond me. Unless, obviously, your morals and values are turned upside down. In that case, I completely understand your love for Randy. Because it is love.

If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck...



I support Randy on this and I've stated where in this thread I disagree with him. He is not perfect neither does he have to be to be right on something. Why you can't see that is beyond me but that's your problem.

Well, Randy sure as hell is not perfect: we do agree on this matter.

The question that is beyond you and that will always be beyond your fandom is the following: is he right on this? The answer is no. He is not. If he despises Oprah so much why did he wait so much time to do what he did? Why didn't he do so when Janet was interviewd by the object of his hate? Well, the answer is here for everybody to see. But some don't want to.


You still shouldn't be allowed to spread rumor about him when there is a clear indication you are wrong. And yes, I will report you in the future whether or not that get results. And you are free to report me but for what? For saying Randy is not an evil person? LOL. There are Jacksons I don't like. I don't spam the thread about them but I can give them credit where its due. I think that's balanced.

Indication that I'm wrong?! The only one who is wrong here is you. Randy did not just try to sell the ATV catalog as you so firmly stated in another post while defending him in a truly delusional way. Randy made TOO MANY mistakes not just "some", unless, and you can call me redundant, your values are not the same as most people's. Randy did not "save Michael's life" and he, certainly, is not a decent person. If someone is lying, then that someone is you.

Yaazgurl, many are getting tired of your constant invention of "positive facts" about him. And that is exactly why I'll start reporting on you. In order to defend a family member you invent some "evidence" while claiming another post is lying. Too hard?

Again: people like me don't just attack the family because we're big, bad meanies. We do so because it gives us reasons in a silver plate.

[Asedora]

Randy is only a brother. He is a close relative to Michael but his opinion in this situation has zero value compared to Katherine's choice. Katherine is Michael's mother and this is more than enough to trust her.

[yaazgurl]

The delusion prevails.

The continuous dismission of his moral challenging actions points in that direction. And, if that is a problem, I can, for instance, give you some advice: it is not mine.


Here's the problem I'm talking about. Well, actually, one of the problems; the perfect quote where delusion and dismissive behaviour have a, shall we say, curious fusion. "Some bad decisions"? Some? Do you even KNOW what Randy has been doing to Michael, as a person and a character, since 2003?

Hell, let's even forget his persistent "evil" (as you put it) actions against one of his siblings.
How can anyone defend a lazy sex addict who abandoned and abused his own children and who paid for more abortions than any B rated pornstar is, as simple as this, beyond me. Unless, obviously, your morals and values are turned upside down. In that case, I completely understand your love for Randy. Because it is love.

If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck...



Well, Randy sure as hell is not perfect: we do agree on this matter.

The question that is beyond you and that will always be beyond your fandom is the following: is he right on this? The answer is no. He is not. If he despises Oprah so much why did he wait so much time to do what he did? Why didn't he do so when Janet was interviewd by the object of his hate? Well, the answer is here for everybody to see. But some don't want to.



Indication that I'm wrong?! The only one who is wrong here is you. Randy did not just try to sell the ATV catalog as you so firmly stated in another post while defending him in a truly delusional way. Randy made TOO MANY mistakes not just "some", unless, and you can call me redundant, your values are not the same as most people's. Randy did not "save Michael's life" and he, certainly, is not a decent person. If someone is lying, then that someone is you.

Yaazgurl, many are getting tired of your constant invention of "positive facts" about him. And that is exactly why I'll start reporting on you. In order to defend a family member you invent some "evidence" while claiming another post is lying. Too hard?

Again: people like me don't just attack the family because we're big, bad meanies. We do so because it gives us reasons in a silver plate.

You are turning this into a personal attack and that is not necessary. You don't know me so don't attempt to analyze my mental state or anything about me. Stay on the subject. And I will not turn this into a personal struggle with you. I think you are highly inappropriate and mix some truth with rumors that no one on here can prove. I think its slander and wrong and no amount of personal attacks by you or anyone is going to change my viewpoint.

[Tsukiji]

pilinlim come on now..You don't have to start calling people here 'delusional' just because they don't agree with you. I think Yaazgurl is trying to stay neutral to this whole thing..Which is fine, you have to look at things from all angles I feel...but comon now, let's just chill out everyone

[pilinlim]

pilinlim come on now..You don't have to start calling people here 'delusional' just because they don't agree with you. I think Yaazgurl is trying to stay neutral to this whole thing..Which is fine

I don't see anything neutral in her posts. You, as a JFam lover, obviously do, hence why the word "subjective" exists. And no, I didn't call Yaaz delusional simply because she disagreed with me.

Let the Jackson Family stans attack! Where's Datsymay?

[Tsukiji]

I don't see anything neutral in her posts. You, as a JFam lover, obviously do, hence why the word "subjective" exists. And no, I didn't call Yaaz delusional simply because she disagreed with me.

Let the Jackson Family stans attack! Where's Datsymay?

:lmao:

[8701girl]

Randy didn't say anything about Taj or pictures but there are some fans (with close communications with Karen, Oxman, Randy, Joe etc) hinting that Taj was the one that sold the photos based on a inside family source.


I doubt that taj would do such a thing and who ever is saying that maybe covering up themselves.

[blankyluvdoodoo]

I doubt that taj would do such a thing and who ever is saying that maybe covering up themselves.

that is a possibility.

[ginvid]

I don't see anything neutral in her posts. You, as a JFam lover, obviously do, hence why the word "subjective" exists. And no, I didn't call Yaaz delusional simply because she disagreed with me.

Let the Jackson Family stans attack! Where's Datsymay?

How about you do not call her delusional at all? It is not called for. And personal attacks on members are not allowed. If you do not agree with her, that is fine. You've stated the reasons why you disagree, now move on. I think we should get back to the topic at hand.

Can we please do this?

[8701girl]

that is a possibility.


Just saying it wouldnt surprise me if that is what has happened.

[yaazgurl]

I was trying to look for the picture that someone posted on another board which looks to show the person who may have taken the picture and it looks like a staff member of Oprah's team. Definitely does not look like anyone in the family.

[Ashtanga]

:o


http://www.gifanatics.com/files/Jackson_popcorn.gif

[Diplomate]

I was trying to look for the picture that someone posted on another board which looks to show the person who may have taken the picture and it looks like a staff member of Oprah's team. Definitely does not look like anyone in the family.


The family knew that the Oprah 's team took pictures.

Anyway, it's really a pathetic family. Anything to sell a book....

Michael will be very happy. -________-

[Vici]

cause janet is best buddies with randy and ran with the memo of mj the druggie brother which no doubt came from him as friedman has mentioned.

When did Friedman mention this? U got an article or something?
Im not saying its untrue, just curious cuz ive also heard that some believe that Randy was behind all the druggie rumours after MJ took off to Bahrain but Ive never seen/heard Friedman mention this.

[StaceyMJ]

You all need to really chill out! If this doesn't happen as of now this thread will be closed until the interview airs, because this is just pointless.

[rockstar]

On Thursday On Oparh

FOR THE FIRST TIME: LISA MARIE PRESLEY SPEAKS OUT ABOUT THE DEATH OF EX-HUSBAND MICHAEL JACKSON


october 21, 2010

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here is link:http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Lisa-Marie-Presley-Speaks-Out-About-the-Death-of-Michael-Jackson

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[xthunderx2]

I am truly baffled as to why the people why supposedly loved Michael would go on Oprah...first Katherine ..now Lisa Marie....their memories cannot be that short...they all must remember how she made Michael feel...is it they just dont care??....This is what I truly believe. Michael deserves better than this.

[Diplomate]

I am truly baffled as to why the people why supposedly loved Michael would go on Oprah...first Katherine ..now Lisa Marie....their memories cannot be that short...they all must remember how she made Michael feel...is it they just dont care??....This is what I truly believe. Michael deserves better than this.

They don't care about him.

If you want to speak about Mike, you don't go on Oprah.


Next time they will go on Bashir? Diane Dimond? Nancy Grace?

Wonderful.

[spoonie]

Maybe we should just wait and see what Katherine and Lisa-Marie actually say before jumping to conclusions. They might actually be trying to do some good. There's no point bashing people and throwing accusations of what they MIGHT say, just wait and see what they do actually say. If it's negative then people have a right to be angry but until then just take into consideration that they might be trying to do some good. We can't judge something before it's actually happened surely?

[Asedora]

Maybe we should just wait and see what Katherine and Lisa-Marie actually say before jumping to conclusions. They might actually be trying to do some good. There's no point bashing people and throwing accusations of what they MIGHT say, just wait and see what they do actually say. If it's negative then people have a right to be angry but until then just take into consideration that they might be trying to do some good. We can't judge something before it's actually happened surely?

Katherine is his MOTHER and I support anything she does. She will not do any harm to MJ reputation. As far as it comes to Lisa I am not happy to see her talking about their "misunderstood" marriage. It pointless. Lisa has to learn how to keep her problems to herself.

[Autumn II]

Maybe we should just wait and see what Katherine and Lisa-Marie actually say before jumping to conclusions. They might actually be trying to do some good. There's no point bashing people and throwing accusations of what they MIGHT say, just wait and see what they do actually say. If it's negative then people have a right to be angry but until then just take into consideration that they might be trying to do some good. We can't judge something before it's actually happened surely?

In this case, yes, we CAN "judge something before it's actually happened." Primarily the objection isn't only about what they "might say," but that Oprah has disrespected Michael so terribly in the past. She's never apologized. She ran a show about "pedophilia" when the jury was in deliberations! She consistently said she thought Michael was guilty. Given her public forum, her potential for damage was very great. (It still is. . . )

Of all the possible interviewers, she should have been the very LAST choice. Or no choice at all, even better?

[Diplomate]

It's not Lisa or Katherine the problem IT'S OPRAH!

A WOMAN WHO THINKS THAT MIKE IS A PEDOPHILE!

SO WHY GO TO SPEAK WITH HER?

[Asedora]

It's not Lisa or Katherine the problem IT'S OPRAH!

A WOMAN WHO THINKS THAT MIKE IS A PEDOPHILE!

SO WHY GO TO SPEAK WITH HER?

I do not agree with this staement. Lisa IS a problem, Katherine is NOT a problem. Oprah is just a TOOL, the media and Katherine uses her just like that.
There are no personal emotions should be involved.
Everybody does what they think the best for them.
I do not think that the guy like Larry King would want to deal with "Michael's case". We do not know the situation from inside.

I really pissed off with Lisa going to Oprah and talking about her ex husband again. She is the one who has NO POINT to go to the media and talk about "misunderstood marrige". Who cares? He is gone and there are some more important things fans I have deal with like ongoing investigations, his legacy etc.
She has to focus on her new marrige now and stop talking about Michael.

[max000]

I don't really care why Randy is doing what he is doing THIS TIME, because all I want right now is for people to know who Oprah is and what she did to Michael and how false this whole thing is from her. I want her to know that we know, that many people konw and really don't like her for it. Now I know she probably wont know and don't care, but as long as someone, even if it's Randy, puts it out there and some media gets hold of it, fine by me. Because right now, Oprah is geting away with all the stuff she did and people think that's just her being sweet and nice as always, without knowing who she really is.


OPRAH knows. Once TMZ ran it, OPRAH instantly knew. The associated press ran it too.The AP piece was in the NY papers.

[StacyJ]

OPRAH knows. Once TMZ ran it, OPRAH instantly knew. The associated press ran it too.The AP piece was in the NY papers.

yep she knows.. once TMZ gets a hold of something it's picked up everywhere. The AP had it too. I also heard Oprah got some nasty tweets so she knows

[xthunderx2]

Maybe we should just wait and see what Katherine and Lisa-Marie actually say before jumping to conclusions. They might actually be trying to do some good. There's no point bashing people and throwing accusations of what they MIGHT say, just wait and see what they do actually say. If it's negative then people have a right to be angry but until then just take into consideration that they might be trying to do some good. We can't judge something before it's actually happened surely?
There are plenty of other media outlets that Katherine and Lisa both could of went to if the just wanted to get "the truth"..out about Michael. WHY chose Oprah?? If it wasn't for Lisa already being a billionaire I would say it is for the money..so with that being said...I see no good reason for either of these two woman to use Oprah as there "positive" media outlet. Oprah wants dirt on Michael..thats all. She figures she will get it from Katherine and Lisa, a person doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Oprah will NEVER say anything positive about Michael.

[Tsukiji]

There are plenty of other media outlets that Katherine and Lisa both could of went to if the just wanted to get "the truth"..out about Michael. WHY chose Oprah?? If it wasn't for Lisa already being a billionaire I would say it is for the money..so with that being said...I see no good reason for either of these two woman to use Oprah as there "positive" media outlet. Oprah wants dirt on Michael..thats all. She figures she will get it from Katherine and Lisa, a person doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Oprah will NEVER say anything positive about Michael.

As Taj says, "I personally don't care what Oprah thinks, but I do care what her millions of audience thinks about my uncle. Esp. when it's not true at all."

[StacyJ]

There are plenty of other media outlets that Katherine and Lisa both could of went to if the just wanted to get "the truth"..out about Michael. WHY chose Oprah?? If it wasn't for Lisa already being a billionaire I would say it is for the money..so with that being said...I see no good reason for either of these two woman to use Oprah as there "positive" media outlet. Oprah wants dirt on Michael..thats all. She figures she will get it from Katherine and Lisa, a person doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. Oprah will NEVER say anything positive about Michael.

I totally agree.. I just hope those two didn't give Oprah what she was looking for. Unfortunately no comments have been leaked yet which is really surprising

[Memefan]

As Taj says, "I personally don't care what Oprah thinks, but I do care what her millions of audience thinks about my uncle. Esp. when it's not true at all."

Isn't that statement a bit hypocritical?

[smoothlugar]

In this case, yes, we CAN "judge something before it's actually happened." Primarily the objection isn't only about what they "might say," but that Oprah has disrespected Michael so terribly in the past. She's never apologized. She ran a show about "pedophilia" when the jury was in deliberations! She consistently said she thought Michael was guilty. Given her public forum, her potential for damage was very great. (It still is. . . )

Of all the possible interviewers, she should have been the very LAST choice. Or no choice at all, even better?

I completely agree with you.That's the main point. Even if Katherine wanted to confront Oprah openly, the interview would probably be edited or "manipulated" in some way to Oprah's convenience.

[Tsukiji]

Isn't that statement a bit hypocritical?

For some odd reason there is many people who watch her show..Way more so than a Larry King for example. I think it's simply using the enemy who has a form of power to create positivity. I don't like Oprah myself, but the sad reality is that people watch her show, and I suppose some of the Jacksons want to take a proactive way in contributing to the positive image of Michael, even if it meant talking to this vile woman. Although, I find it hard to say what will be the conclusion of it, there is a great website ( http://www.mj-777.com/ ) that says sums it up how I feel about it, in particular this quote

All credit of this quote goes to Seven who runs this fantastic site. - http://www.mj-777.com/

"Fans will not retreat if this Woman destroys Michael Jacksons legacy further during a program that his family has agreed to do in order to clear the air and finally set the record straight about Michael. To say she will have 'egg on her face' is an understatement. What she'll have IN her face is a lot of Michael Jackson fan-mily. Fans are in no mood for any further denigration of Michael Jackson by this selfish woman."

[billyworld99]

well it's b/c of her audience and viewers that Mrs. jackson would want to get word out b/c i think it was stated oprah's show have an average of 20 million viewers tuning in a week and katherine would want to get to get the truth out to as many people as possible

[Petrarose]

yep she knows.. once TMZ gets a hold of something it's picked up everywhere. The AP had it too. I also heard Oprah got some nasty tweets so she knows

Glad she knows. I too am thinking about the EDITING. I know Michael's mom loves him and will be positive, but I do not know what EDITING Oprah will impose.
We need to inform the family and Taj that Opera's schedule for the week Lisa's interview will be aired deals with ABUSE/PEO. I do not tweet so I cannot tweet him myself.

[Ashtanga]

WHY chose Oprah??

I have asked this question every day.... :unsure: If it was someone else, ok, but Oprah? :bugeyed :doh: No..... :puke:

[xthunderx2]

well it's b/c of her audience and viewers that Mrs. jackson would want to get word out b/c i think it was stated oprah's show have an average of 20 million viewers tuning in a week and katherine would want to get to get the truth out to as many people as possible
I understand your point about the size of Oprah's audience...however where Ms Katherine may have good intentions...Oprah does NOT this we can be sure of..especially with a week of shows that she is running. We all know her editing department will do a job on that interview and take things Katherine says out of text. All I can say is that Oprah had better watch her step and give Michael Joseph Jackson the respect that he deserves. Otherwise..she is gonna have alot of pissed of fans up her ass...I doubt she wants that.

[Topflux]

Calm down now, people! Lisa is the least of the problems around. She's completely harmless and nice. She never made a deal with Michael not to talk about him so she's allowed to. She answers questions as long as people ask. I think she has never mentioned Michael first in an interview if not asked..

[kribre7]

It's funny how people can't stand Oprah but LOVE Lisa.

[blueocean]

I know it's not acceptable, in this forum, to criticize Michael's family members but the truth can't be denied; what Randy did to Michael during the last 10 years is, in black and white, disgusting. Even the likes of Diane Dimond and Nancy (Dis)grace have been better to Michael than Randy. Starting in 2003 when the little brother wormed his way into Michael's good graces by faking sympathy, by acting as if he was a good, loving and caring sibling who just wanted to help. Michael, being naive, falled in his trap and believed Randy genuinely cared about his welfare....just to realize, 2 years later, that his brother had done exactly the contrary of what he thought he was doing. That must have been one of the biggest facades he may have ever faced. Your bother is very nice to you and acts as if your welfare was important to him. You believe him, you believe he just wants to help just to realize, years later, that he was, in your back, acting as your biggest enemy.


Yaazgurl; I suggest you stop living in your Jackson bubble. You are allowed to love Randy. However, you are NOT allowed to dismiss everything the man did to his own flesh and blood while claiming person X, Z or Y is lying in regards to him. I'm getting sick of it and, even though the staff will never protect the ones who criticize the family even if a thousand facts are presented, I'll start reporting you.

It's because of people like you that great posters like Shimar, Williamorange, Lol007, Oceangirl, Snowhite and so on aren't in this board anymore. They dared to destroy your delusion with the truth.

Frist of all randy love michael and he did not fake his sympathy for his brother, he brought T maz on randy was one of michael consultant at that time as well as business manager and supported michael throughout the trial and after, what you are saying about randy are lies that were said about him. michael loved randy and michael and randy remain close after the trial randy was working with michael in bahrain on new music. and randy is fighting now for justice for michael. and for your thousand of fake facts are things you read in the media, you should know better than to believe everything you hear/read. michael taught you that.

[earthlyme]

It's funny how people can't stand Oprah but LOVE Lisa.

Yep…very confused about that…


L.o.v.e.
Romi

[earthlyme]

Frist of all randy love michael and he did not fake his sympathy for his brother, he brought T maz on randy was one of michael consultant at that time as well as business manager and supported michael throughout the trial and after, what you are saying about randy are lies that were said about him. michael loved randy and michael and randy remain close after the trial randy was working with michael in bahrain on new music. and randy is fighting now for justice for michael. and for your thousand of fake facts are things you read in the media, you should know better than to believe everything you hear/read. michael taught you that.

I was really hoping I wouldnt get in to this…

Sorry… I'll try to make it as negativeless as possible…

Randy loved MIchael? ofcourse as a brother he loved him… Maybe I should let you read a blog that was written by a fellow fan… You should know the truth… The Jackson family are like normal family, they love each other, argue, care for each other and Betray!


Randy Jackson, considered desperate to hold on to some kind of power in his brother’s organization after being relieved of all financial responsibilities this week, issued a statement on his Web site around 6 p.m. last night.
The statement, written by Randy’s girlfriend, Taunya Ziklie, read: “MJJ Productions regretfully announces the termination of Raymone Bain and Davis, Bain & Associates. We thank you for your services.”

Sources close to Bain say that she received the news when a reporter called and told her he’d seen it on the Web site.

According to insiders, her contract is with Jackson himself and not MJJ Productions. She is said to have last spoken with Michael around 2 p.m. on Friday after she faxed him drafts of some proposed statements she’d prepared for post-verdict release.
Where Is Jackson?
To make matters more complicated, this morning there is some confusion about Jackson’s exact location.
His phone
at Neverland is said to have a "do not disturb" block on it, and sources inside the ranch are said to fear being fired if they tell him what's really going on within his organization.
Sources tell me that he and his children and their nanny did not spend last night at Neverland. One source told me that Jackson expressed fears that the ranch was “bugged” with listening devices — ironic since during the trial, the prosecution claimed Jackson was capable of eavesdropping on all phone calls made into or out of the ranch.
If Jackson is not at the ranch and still within an hour’s driving distance of Neverland, the odds are at he’s at a local hotel. The choices are few, with the Santa Ynez Resort and Alisal Ranch the primary candidates. A woman who answered the phone at the former said she couldn’t comment on whether or not Jackson was in residence.
But certainly the sudden dismissal of Bain will cause an incredible amount of chaos as the jury deliberations drag on.
Bain, despite her vagueness during press conferences thanks to a lack of information, has managed nevertheless to keep the troops calm when rumors have run rampant about Jackson’shealth or status.
On the other hand, Randy Jackson is seen by Neverland insiders as trying to isolate his already fearful and nervous brother by cutting him off.
In recent weeks, Bain had established what was considered a better-than-average relationship with Jackson, speaking to him several times a day by phone and often visiting him at the ranch.
This has no doubt been frustrating for Randy, who has spent an equal amount of time spending what’s left of his brother’s money and trying to install his own staff — including the greatly disliked Ziklie — at Neverland.


Karen Fake, Randy Jackson, Taunya Zilkie (girlfriend of Randy Jackson at that time) were managing Michael's official site MJJSOURCE during the trial. These three people ended up scamming the fans. They charged 49,00USD and 89,00USD for a package of some goods. Myself and many other never received any package, nor did we get a refund. Neither did we get an apology. The fans told Michael about this and he immediately shut down the page and fired Karen Fake. Then Karen Fake blamed him for the mess. This is the post Karen Fake wrote about the incident with the site: “I understand all the anger with the fans, but we have done everything in our power to live up to all the promises Michael has made. If he does not fulfill his promises…there is nothing we can do. We were Michael’s voice, but if he doesn’t wish to speak or pay the bills for MJJsource, there is nothing we can do.”

Exactly what promises could MJ have made when he was fighting for his life? Epic fail ms Fake. Not to mention, they did not only scam the fans, but they were doing this when MJ was fighting for his life. Disgusting.

http://soundslikerawr.livejournal.com/46308.html





I've got more where that came from. If you think we heard this from the media, you are mistaken…its from People who were actually involved with this thing that most have learned about this. The media for once is not totally involved in this…! :) Sorry to make it quite long… I hope you save time to read the blog…

If this is out of line…Mods please delete… I'm just giving facts...

L.o.v.e.
Romi

[blueocean]

I was really hoping I wouldnt get in to this…

Sorry… I'll try to make it as negativeless as possible…

Randy loved MIchael? ofcourse as a brother he loved him… Maybe I should let you read a blog that was written by a fellow fan… You should know the truth… The Jackson family are like normal family, they love each other, argue, care for each other and Betray!







I've got more where that came from. If you think we heard this from the media, you are mistaken…its from People who were actually involved with this thing that most have learned about this. The media for once is not totally involved in this…! :) Sorry to make it quite long… I hope you save time to read the blog…

If this is out of line…Mods please delete… I'm just giving facts...

L.o.v.e.
Romi
Like I said a lot of lies were said about randy back then, and your source I do not trust what they said, the only source I trusted back then was raymone bain statements that set the record straight and michael statements through bain about randy,like bain said about michael 98% of what you hear/read is false. same go's for what you hear/read about randy 98% of what hear/read would be false.

[Ashtanga]

Calm down now, people! Lisa is the least of the problems around. She's completely harmless and nice. She never made a deal with Michael not to talk about him so she's allowed to. She answers questions as long as people ask. I think she has never mentioned Michael first in an interview if not asked..
:unsure:

:fear:


Agreement does not hold anyone's mouth. Fact. Only works on paper. In practice, it's another thing completely different. That's what I see. -_-

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Like I said a lot of lies were said about randy back then, and your source I do not trust what they said, the only source I trusted back then was raymone bain statements that set the record straight and michael statements through bain about randy,like bain said about michael 98% of what you hear/read is false. same go's for what you hear/read about randy 98% of what hear/read would be false.



Problem is, most of that stuff ended up being true, like the Bain firing, despite Michael never wanting her fired. And the refund situation that happened, which Michael was very upset about, because he had no idea Faye and Randy were even offering such a thing to fans.

[Sophielo]

This thread has seriously veered off topic. This is about Katherine's interview with Oprah, not Randy and what happened or did not happen with MJJSource. Keep it on topic please folks.

[respect77]

It's funny how people can't stand Oprah but LOVE Lisa.

Who loves Lisa? If I go to the LMP thread I see nothing but bashing.

[Diplomate]

So the interview is not cancel?

Great, I can't wait to see Bashir, Diane Dimond and Nancy Grace at Hayvenhurst the next month.

[SimplyMagic]

Calm down now, people! Lisa is the least of the problems around. She's completely harmless and nice..............


Swing and a miss!

[riviera1992]

Swing and a miss!

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+

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr49/riviera1992/fryingpan.gif

Or maybe Topflux is being sarcastic?http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr49/riviera1992/huhwhaaa.gif

[GinnyJackson]

LMP and OPRAH are nothing but waists of space. Mama J should not have gone on Oprah and she will learn why after the mistake has been made.

[MicHil]

Ahhh effing backstabbersss!!! Why??? WTF is wrong with all of them??!!!!! Katherine??? Seriouslyyyy??? Letting the kids get interviewed by Ogar?? Wowwww that's SICK!!! The whole Jackson family disgust me and I thought I had it bad with my family.

Their little excuse is so funny and invalid. Been there done that and it never works to try to convince the mind of those who hates mike!! They don't hate him because they think he's a pedophile, they call him a pedophile because they hate him.

I rather not care about Michael at all than deal with this BS. I hate the Jacksons. I sincerely madly deeply truly do. I'm done caring.

[JaneBender]

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/146120?start=0&tstart=0

[Callaendia]

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/146120?start=0&tstart=0


Thank you Heartbreaks :huggy: :heart:

guys, please read this link and comment, it's an important one.


:hi:

[LisaU123]

Well there really wont be a need to keep the thread open when the interview airs since they way people are reacting I just know they won't be watching. ya right!

[angelofinnocence]

thanks for the link. joined and posted .

[Ashtanga]

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/146120?start=0&tstart=0

Thanks for the link! :) I'll read everything and will post there also later. I hope we have a big result with that and I really hope Oprah reads!!!!!

[ExoticPrincess]

Calm down now, people! Lisa is the least of the problems around. She's completely harmless and nice. She never made a deal with Michael not to talk about him so she's allowed to. She answers questions as long as people ask. I think she has never mentioned Michael first in an interview if not asked..

Topflux, you're more than apparent now, give it a rest.

[Petrarose]

Well there really wont be a need to keep the thread open when the interview airs since they way people are reacting I just know they won't be watching. ya right!

We are hoping that people look at the interview on the internet so that Oprah does not get the ratings.

[StacyJ]

We are hoping that people look at the interview on the internet so that Oprah does not get the ratings.

Good idea..

I wonder what Katherine and Randy has to say about LMP talking to Oprah about MJ? I find it strange that Randy is upset with his parents for talking to Oprah, but he didn't mention Janet talking to Oprah or his former sister-in-law talking to her.

[8701girl]

Good idea..

I wonder what Katherine and Randy has to say about LMP talking to Oprah about MJ? I find it strange that Randy is upset with his parents for talking to Oprah, but he didn't mention Janet talking to Oprah or his former sister-in-law talking to her.


I find it strange also that he hasnr mentioned bout janet being on oprah

[DanceofLorelei1994]

WTF IS THIS?

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<!-- end of thumbnail scroller if needed -->Michael Jackson (http://www.ahlanlive.com/celebs/163-michael-jackson)’s children, Prince Michael, 13, Paris, 12, and Blanket, 8, have given their first interview ever. While the King Of Pop was wildly protective of his children’s privacy since his death his mother Katherine Jackson has encouraged the children to move out of the shadow and into the limelight – not a move supported by all of the Jackson family.
Last month reports suggested that Katherine Jackson would appear on the Oprah Winfrey (http://www.ahlanlive.com/celebs/166-oprah-winfrey) show when television vans arrived at her home but it has now been revealed that Oprah went to the Jackson estate to speak candidly with Michael’s three children.
In the interview Prince Michael and Paris chat about buying back Neverland after revealing that they will inherit millions on their 21st birthday.
The interview is set to air on the show this week in the US but Randy Jackson, Michael’s brother, is said to be furious about the whole situation. “I found out Oprah was at our family home, my stomach ached and it still hasn't gone away,” he said. It was deliberately kept from me because they knew I would've tried to stop it. I know how Oprah feels about my brother and family. I know he would not have wanted this.”

http://www.ahlanlive.com/26038-michael-jacksons-kids-interviewed

[JMie]

Earlier today I read an article about them wanting to buy Neverland back, but I assumed it was a tabloid story (the source was the Daily Mail). Besides, Taj said in his twitter that Michael's children did not talk to Oprah.

[Petrarose]

Earlier today I read an article about them wanting to buy Neverland back, but I assumed it was a tabloid story (the source was the Daily Mail). Besides, Taj said in his twitter that Michael's children did not talk to Oprah.

These conflicting and different pieces of information is getting more confusing as time goes on.

[AllForLove]

Well, they probably wrote this after the rumor started and before Taj said they won't be in OWS - It's a gossip magazine, so they don't verify their sources (as usual) - I prefer believe in Taj :yes: he has no reason to lie us

[elusive moonwalker]

nice to see oprah guest/episodes around the interview are all about child molesters. sick bitch

[Sophielo]

Taj has said the kids did not speak to Oprah. Someone said to the Daily Mail that they did but its the Daily Mail so dont trust it.

[Diplomate]

nice to see oprah guest/episodes around the interview are all about child molesters. sick bitch

There is no surprise. Oprah think Mike is a pedo, so it's normal for her to have the ex-wife of a pedo, it's good for the rating...

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

There is no surprise. Oprah think Mike is a pedo, so it's normal for her to have the ex-wife of a pedo, it's good for the rating...


Hey i really don't care for Oprah neither..but has she actually ever said she believes Michael was a pedophile? Cause i don't recall that.

[elusive moonwalker]

Taj has said the kids did not speak to Oprah. Someone said to the Daily Mail that they did but its the Daily Mail so dont trust it.

i read the original article came from the news of the world so even less reason to believe

[billyworld99]

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[marc_vivien]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

[ivy]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

let me be the first one to say "damn it" and I knew it.

[Justthefacts]

not shocked

[blankyluvdoodoo]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

BE PREPARE FOR WAR BETWEEN US .
i just hate that blissfully ignorant women (i am talking about that talk show host)

[8701girl]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj


Just saw this on another mj forum and im totally bewildered that oprah spoke to the kids

[marc_vivien]

the family is unable to protect this kids.

Oprah is a big star, and the family is honoured to be interviewed by her

[Asedora]

let me be the first one to say "damn it" and I knew it.

I would not be worried too much at all. Katherine was there and it is more than enough.I trust her. The questions Oprah asked were set up and discussed before. I am 100% positive about that. Well, I did have a feeling that Katherine would want kids to speak up because there is something important is coming soon. It is in the air. I def can feel it.

[Ashtanga]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

:bugeyed


Oh God.... Now, I really was very, very, very worried. I hope it is not released this "interview" with the children (if it really happened). :(


Oprah >>> :tease: :puke:

[MJStorm]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

I'm disgusted.

[marebear]

I hope they are not actually shown in the interview. She went to the house and I assumed met them but I hope it wasn't taped.

[ginvid]

I'm disgusted.

My sentiments exactly. So disgusted that I cannot even discuss it anymore.

[love is magical]

This is actually quite disturbing to hear.

I'm confused.

[marebear]

I wish Michael was here.

[Ashtanga]

I hope they are not actually shown in the interview. She went to the house and I assumed met them but I hope it wasn't taped.

Me too. I hope it has not been an interview just a conversation that is less bad and of course, I hope it has not been recorded. I'm speechless about it.... :(

[bluetopez]

I wonder if it was just random questions like about school, or real questions Like about their dad? Either way not happy...I'm sure they will do fine though! I just think it should have been at 18yrs or something! Oh well...it is what it is and what's done is done! I will wait and see! But, this women (Oprah) needs to get a damn life already!

[AngieJ]

God, I hope the kids weren't taped.

[michaelsson]

outf*ckinRAGED!

[JMie]

I am not surprised :( I just hope they were not manipulated into doing it and I hope they weren't tricked by Oprah's questions into saying anything they didn't want to say.

[bowen9999]

I hope they are not actually shown in the interview. She went to the house and I assumed met them but I hope it wasn't taped.
I bet it was. Anything for money (and ratings)! So frickin' angry & sad right now.... :no:

[noumene]

What the hell? And I so thought I was exaggerating to think journalists would get their paws on them soon (and by soon I was thinking 15-16 y-o, not now).
Ok, hopefully they just small talked and it was all off camera. Still sickening to know they spoke to her of all people.

[wednesday]

This stupid b**ch just always seems to get exactly what she wants...

[prismsagainst5live]

I don't think people should underestimate Prince. I am disgusted that this woman got within 50 miles of the kids but I am confident they can handle her.

[JMie]

What upsets me probably the most about this situation is that Taj was obviously lied to when he first asked about the kids doing the interview. He asked someone in the family and they told them the kids weren't doing it, because a relative must have known Taj would be against the idea. And he only learned the truth after asking the kids themselves. What's going on in that house, I am scared to think.

[PCR]

My sentiments exactly. So disgusted that I cannot even discuss it anymore.


This is actually quite disturbing to hear.

I'm confused.

my feelings exactly


I wish Michael was here.

my deepest feelings exactly
I really miss him today :(

[8701girl]

What upsets me probably the most about this situation is that Taj was obviously lied to when he first asked about the kids doing the interview. He asked someone in the family and they told them the kids weren't doing it, because a relative must have known Taj would be against the idea. And he only learned the truth after asking the kids themselves. What's going on in that house, I am scared to think.


Taj said that his cousins told him bout the kids being interviewed, but not sure if he meant mjs kids or other cousins.

[JMie]

MJ kids are his cousins. He wrote:


After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. Obviously he meant he talked to MJ's kids and they told him they talked to Oprah.

[8701girl]

MJ kids are his cousins. He wrote:

Obviously he meant he talked to MJ's kids and they told him they talked to Oprah.



I know mj kids are his cousins lol, i just wasnt sure if he meant them.

[Big Apple2]

Taj Jackson

On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @tajjackson3 said:

Guys, there really is no easy way for me to say this but I always want to tell you the truth. Good or Bad. After finally talking directly to my cousins, I found out they did in fact speak to Oprah. I don't know if they are or will be part of the upcoming interview or not. Anyways, I'm sorry for tweeting something that I didn't hear come directly from the horses' mouth. That was truly my mistake. I should have known better.
Taj

DANG! Can this situation get any worse!

I feel bad for Taj, it "appears" that he may have been mislead when he made his initial comments. Very unfortunate and embarassing, in my opinion.

So now the question becomes, is Ms. Katherine willing to exploit her grandchildren in order to sell her book?

I will STILL take a wait & see approach. Maybe Oprah just met the children but will not be speaking to them on camera. (Although speaking to the children at all still makes me sick!)

I will say one thing, IF Michael's children appear on camera being interview by Oprah, I believe there will be "major backlash" and I'm not talking about backlash from "some" of US, I'm talking about backlash from the general public who saw the lengths that Michael took in order to protect his children from the media.

[goldiee]

Oprah didn't come to that house to talk to no Joseph and Katherine. Michael's children was offered up to her on a silver platter. :(
That's why she was there. I bet they were interviewed on camera else why would she come?

Get prepared fans. Their faces will be all over the talk shows, news shows, media, etc, for promo for this. You think you mad now, You ain't seen nothing yet!

I'm sick. I literally feel sick. In death, Michael still gets no respect.

[Big Apple2]

Oprah didn't come to that house to talk to no Joseph and Katherine. Michael's children was offered up to her on a silver platter. :(
That's why she was there. I bet they were interviewed on camera else why would she come?

Get prepared fans. Their faces will be all over the talk shows, news shows, media, etc, for promo for this. You think you mad now, You ain't seen nothing yet!

I'm sick. I literally feel sick. In death, Michael still gets no respect.
Just what I was thinking, i.e. THE PROMO for this interview.

IF! IF the children are interviewed on camera, THEY WILL BE THE PROMOTION for this interview. Which, if true, is going to make me physically sick!

[Reeta]

I'm sure Prince and Paris are old and wise enough to do an interview. Michael raised them to be diplomatic and for sure they will handle one well, but how come it still feels kinda wrong...?

[Lucilla]

I'm sure Prince and Paris are old and wise enough to do an interview. Michael raised them to be diplomatic and for sure they will handle one well, but how come it still feels kinda wrong...?

Because it's wrong. And it's that fake Oprah.

I'm sure if they knew that woman's agenda, they wouldn't have done it.

And I'm sure Oprah didn't tell them "you know that I have a special week and we're gonna talk about pedo.....les? guess what! MJ is part of that schedule! what you think about that?!"

Of course she's not going to say that.
That snake.

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Oprah didn't come to that house to talk to no Joseph and Katherine. Michael's children was offered up to her on a silver platter. :(
That's why she was there. I bet they were interviewed on camera else why would she come?

Get prepared fans. Their faces will beH all over the talk shows, news shows, media, etc, for promo for this. You think you mad now, You ain't seen nothing yet!

I'm sick. I literally feel sick. In death, Michael still gets no respect.


I agree. I have a sickening feeling that Oprah is going to ask them alot of scandalous questions about Michael. If by some very slim chance she steers away from that, I take it all back. But seriously, I doubt that any positive will come out of this. It just makes me ill.

As if the pain of loosing Michael isn't bad enough for the people that really cared about him. Heaven help us all!!

[CherubimII]

Please join me in praying for the well-being of Michael Jackson's children:
Prince, Paris, and Blanket. :angel:

[MsCassieMollie]

I'm sure Prince and Paris are old and wise enough to do an interview. Michael raised them to be diplomatic and for sure they will handle one well, but how come it still feels kinda wrong...?

Same here....

[Starde]

Not surprised at all. Of course Oprah will find a way to get the kids interviewed. And she'll use that to promote the hell out of that interview.

Disgusting. :angry:

[blankyluvdoodoo]

What upsets me probably the most about this situation is that Taj was obviously lied to when he first asked about the kids doing the interview. He asked someone in the family and they told them the kids weren't doing it, because a relative must have known Taj would be against the idea. And he only learned the truth after asking the kids themselves. What's going on in that house, I am scared to think.

me too .this is getting ridiculous
those who are saying she doesn't need money are wrong ,she need money to feed that entire clan ,didn't we see Jermaine court paper recently.that is why she is asking for more money from estate ,plus she is in business with that porn guy ,she has to promot her book.

[Lucilla]

me too .this is getting ridiculous
those who are saying she doesn't need money are wrong ,she need money to feed that entire clan ,didn't we see Jermaine court paper recently.that is why she is asking for more money from estate ,plus she is in business with that porn guy ,she has to promot her book.

if she's doing that, do you think that came from her? It's hard to believe that One day she woke up and said: "I need more cash, right now". I think the question is who's behind her.

[CherubimII]

Most Americans don't believe in child labor; but many people in
show business, like the Jacksons, do believe in child labor.

[Big Apple2]

if she's doing that, do you think that came from her? It's hard to believe that One day she woke up and said: "I need more cash, right now". I think the question is who's behind her.

In my opinion, Joe Jackson ALSO has something to do with this Oprah interview as a vehicle to promote Ms. Katherine's book.

Don't forget he needs money for his "dream" project in Gary. A project that Ms. Katherine "appears" to be supporting. The plan was to break ground starting early next year, as of today, I believe there have been no updates as to where this project stands and that's probably because there is no money for this project. Well, no money YET!

[blankyluvdoodoo]

if she's doing that, do you think that came from her? It's hard to believe that One day she woke up and said: "I need more cash, right now". I think the question is who's behind her.

it doesn't matter who is behind her ,she needs to take a stand and follow michaels wishes .just like mike she is surrounded by leeches right know but she needs to think about the kids first.she is going in exact opposite direction.

[StacyJ]

absolutely awful...

[angelofinnocence]

wow. really shocked and saddened.

[Lucilla]

In my opinion, Joe Jackson ALSO has something to do with this Oprah interview as a vehicle to promote Ms. Katherine's book.

Don't forget he needs money for his "dream" project in Gary. A project that Ms. Katherine "appears" to be supporting. The plan was to break ground starting early next year, as of today, I believe there have been no updates as to where this project stands and that's probably because there is no money for this project. Well, no money YET!

Of course!.


it doesn't matter who is behind her ,she needs to take a stand and follow michaels wishes.just like mike she is surrounded by leeches right know but she needs to think about the kids first.she is going in exact opposite direction.

Well, it's happening again with Katherine. You said MJ was surrounded by leeches, that's true.
And what happened? MJ's not here anymore, that's what happened.
I'm also worried about the kids.

[CherubimII]

Joe Jackson, and Alejandra, Jermaine, and their children have mastered exactlly how to manipulate Katherine Jackson to their advantage.
Many of the other members of the Jackson family (e.g. Janet, Rebbie, and LaToya) just don't care about the day to day lives of Michael Jackson's children.
I believe Taj does care. Bless his heart. :angel:
These are just the facts.

[Memefan]

In my opinion, Joe Jackson ALSO has something to do with this Oprah interview as a vehicle to promote Ms. Katherine's book.

Don't forget he needs money for his "dream" project in Gary. A project that Ms. Katherine "appears" to be supporting. The plan was to break ground starting early next year, as of today, I believe there have been no updates as to where this project stands and that's probably because there is no money for this project. Well, no money YET!

That project WILL NOT go anywhere....mark my words.
Wherever he is, MJ is probably cursing this Gary project...if it means exploiting his beloved children.



it doesn't matter who is behind her ,she needs to take a stand and follow michaels wishes .just like mike she is surrounded by leeches right know but she needs to think about the kids first.she is going in exact opposite direction.

Exactly.

I am beyond APPALLED. Sickening ...that 3 kids who just lost their only parent are being used for book sale & ratings.

And Oprah says she is against child abuse???

All we can wish for is for a major fans & especially, media...AND THE GENERAL public backlash. Because we all bore witness to how MJ protected his kids from the press

[ivy]

I'm sure Prince and Paris are old and wise enough to do an interview. Michael raised them to be diplomatic and for sure they will handle one well, but how come it still feels kinda wrong...?

Because it's wrong..

anyone that knew Michael even for a 5 seconds know in their heart that he wouldn't want his children in such situation - giving interviews and/or talking to Oprah- , we can sugarcoat this all we want by saying " he left the kids to Katherine and Katherine knows what she's doing" but that doesn't necessarily equal that what she does is the best or what Michael would have wanted- especially now that we know not one but at least two (perhaps even more) family members were kept unaware of the Oprah interview and/or involvement of MJ's kids. (side note: this doesn't mean that attacks to Katherine are justified. Every fan can express their disagreement without using attacks.)

"using Oprah's audience and wide reach to correct the untruths and protect Michael's legacy" sounds good but if you look to the pictures seeing Howard Mann and Oprah with Katherine's book you know that this isn't only about Michael's legacy but also promotion of Katherine's book. And honestly do you think that Oprah changed the way she thinks about Michael or really cares about his family and children? I personally don't, this is about ratings for Oprah. Plain and simple.

Plus we all know that Michael raised his children well and they are intelligent and mature beyond their years but I still question what they know and what they are being told. What I mean is that we know that Michael turned magazines on the racks so that the kids won't see the headlines so it's safe to assume that Michael didn't sit them down and said "This is Oprah and she did this and that to me". So the question is that did the children knew what Oprah said about their dad and regardless still choose to talk with her or were they simply unaware of everything?

and we all know from firsthand experience it's not just solely about what they will say but how that will be edited and commented on as well- remember Bashir Interview and other Oprah shows that she commented on the interview?

[CherubimII]

I'm not worried about Prince, Paris, and Blanket being filmed on Oprah. I think they will shine through as beautifully as ever.
I just hope this is the last time they are exploited for TV ratings. :angel:

I believe Prince, Paris, and Blanket would rather dedicate their
public exposure time to their father's philanthropy work. :yes:

[Big Apple2]

That project WILL NOT go anywhere....mark my words.
Wherever he is, MJ is probably cursing this Gary project...if it means exploiting his beloved children.

Exactly.

I am beyond APPALLED. Sickening ...that 3 kids who just lost their only parent are being used for book sale & ratings.

And Oprah says she is against child abuse???

All we can wish for is for a major fans & especially, media...AND THE GENERAL public backlash. Because we all bore witness to how MJ protected his kids from the press

As for the Gary project, I totally agree with you. Last thing I read on this board was that the land could not be transferred to the "foundation" because the non-profit hadn't been set up. Fast track to NOWHERE, is what I call the project!

I also agree regarding the backlash and have previously said the very same thing.

And to be honest, with or without Oprah, I just don't think folks will be interested in Ms. Katherine's book. I certainly don't see "Oprah's core audience" running out and ordering this book.

[StacyJ]

That Gary project will never happen

[LisaU123]

Finally I agree with something in this thread! The Gary project won't happen.

As for the kids being on Oprah I still think should wait till it actually airs before everyone goes off the deep end about it. But I think they will do fine and I think it will be edited ok. But we will see.

[AngieJ]

I will STILL take a wait & see approach. Maybe Oprah just met the children but will not be speaking to them on camera. (Although speaking to the children at all still makes me sick!)

I will say one thing, IF Michael's children appear on camera being interview by Oprah, I believe there will be "major backlash" and I'm not talking about backlash from "some" of US, I'm talking about backlash from the general public who saw the lengths that Michael took in order to protect his children from the media.

This is what i'm hoping for too.

[Big Apple2]

As for the kids being on Oprah I still think should wait till it actually airs before everyone goes off the deep end about it. But I think they will do fine and I think it will be edited ok. But we will see.

The biggest issue for me concerning Oprah is that it "appears" that she does not like to be wrong.

Which, in my opinion, means that she will either edit the program so that it upholds her belief that all of things she has said about Michael in the past are true. OR will it be edited to reflect that she was wrong in her beliefs regarding Michael.

Time will tell, if Ms. Winfrey is BIG enough to admit that she may have been wrong in her earlier assumptions regarding Michael Jackson.

I pray I'm wrong, but I just don't see Oprah admiting that she could have been wrong, whether it's regarding Michael Jackson or any other subject she may have been wrong about.

In my opinion, it's HER WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

[Tsukiji]

The biggest issue for me concerning Oprah is that it "appears" that she does not like to be wrong.

Which, in my opinion, means that she will either edit the program so that it upholds her belief that all of things she has said about Michael in the past are true. OR will it be edited to reflect that she was wrong in her beliefs regarding Michael.

Time will tell, if Ms. Winfrey is BIG enough to admit that she may have been wrong in her earlier assumptions regarding Michael Jackson.

I pray I'm wrong, but I just don't see Oprah admiting that she could have been wrong, whether it's regarding Michael Jackson or any other subject she may have been wrong about.

In my opinion, it's HER WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!

Agreed, I wanna see if Oprah lets her colossal Ego down to admit that she was wrong, personally I am not very confident she will, but let's see.

[Big Apple2]

Agreed, I wanna see if Oprah lets her colossal Ego down to admit that she was wrong, personally I am not very confident she will, but let's see.
I'm with you on the "let's see" tip.

Maybe we're all wrong and Ms. Winfrey will do a complete flipping of the script. (Wouldn't that be lovely!)

I guess since Lisa Marie is up FIRST, per se. We can "sort of" get a gage as to which direction Oprah will be going.

Will Oprah be following her usual "script" when she interviews Lisa Marie, or will her approach be "different, some how softer" this time around.

[Memefan]

Finally I agree with something in this thread! The Gary project won't happen.

As for the kids being on Oprah I still think should wait till it actually airs before everyone goes off the deep end about it. But I think they will do fine and I think it will be edited ok. But we will see.

Do you need to see the interview to know that MJ would have NEVER approved of it?

SMFH

[ginvid]

I just want to remind everyone of the rules just in case you are not aware. While we do not say you cannot be outraged at what the family has done, please do not go overboard. If you are not sure, please reread the rules.

Thanks!

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I would had prefered that Ms. Jackson had accepted to do this intervew with Ellen than Oprah instead, if her purpose is vindicating Michael.

[pianoman04]

anyone know when this is goin to air? i don't wanna read 50 pages

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

There's no date yet.

[Sophielo]

No date announced yet, will probably be one of the last shows due to the pull of having the kids involved. I'm a bit miffed at it too but like ginvid said, the abuse is getting way too much here.

[Reeta]

we can sugarcoat this all we want by saying " he left the kids to Katherine and Katherine knows what she's doing" but that doesn't necessarily equal that what she does is the best or what Michael would have wanted

I agree. As much as I do believe Katherine is doing her best to raise Michael's children and I'm not questioning her parenting skills - after all she has raised 9 kids of her own, but I still feel someone forgot Michael's wishes here.

[Indra]

This whole thing is killing me. I just don't understand why they are doing this? How can they ignore everything Oprah's done to Michael, how can whatever reason they think they have for doing this be more important than that? And his children too, they know Michael wouldn't like this, what has changed.......
The worse thing is that we can't do anything about it.

[loveforever]

so it's confirmed that Oprah indeed talked to Michael's children, even though Katherine was aware of what Oprah did to Michael...speechless...
when people said Katherine did this interview Not for money, she took good care of her children... Can we not forget the fact that Katherine was also responsible for Michael's misery childhood(cash cow/working day and night/being abused...). People always tend to blame everything on Joe Jackson, but we cannot forget Katherine was Michael's mother, she witnessed all those bad things happened on her children, and did nothing. I am certain she loved all her children dearly, but history proved she didn't put her children's best interest in the first place cause Joe Jackson's interest was always her priority.

[LisaU123]

Do you need to see the interview to know that MJ would have NEVER approved of it?

SMFH

No, I don't. But he is no longer here and it is someone else's call. So whether he would approve or not does not really matter anymore. Should it? Maybe. Maybe not. But it certainly isn't up to me or any other fan whether it is right or wrong. We do not know the kids, Katherine does.

[twinklEE]

This is not about attacking Katherine or anyone else of that so called family. This is about saying the truth for once and for all. I do not care, it don't matter how mature Michael's children are, it dont matter if they are 12 or 13. IT DOES NOT MATTER.
What matters is the fact that the children are being used and exploited under Katherine JAckson's care. Michael never wanted nor needed his children to 'defend' him. Back in 2005 he stated how much his kids wanted to go on stage with him, did he take them? HELL NO! Why? B/c he did not want to. He knew what was coming for his children. Throughout these past one and half years the children have been used A LOT. KAtherine having raised 9 children is NOT important, her raising Michael's children the wrong way however is. And yes she is raising them the wrong way, b/c Michael would have NEVER EVER wanted his children to end up on OPRAH, barely one and half years after his death while being 12 and 13. Period.
Now KAtherine may be pulled into a lot of directions by those grown ass adult children of hers, and her Joseph, that still doesn't excuse this. She is still a grown woman in her upper years who should know better, and I'm sure that she knows better, but it still doesn't matter as she is letting it happen (let it happen) anyways.
She should at least respect her dead sons wishes, because he is dead, he can't speak up, he can't speak anymore, she should be his voice instead of listening to whatever her unemployed children who are in their upper 50s/60s/40s have to say.

[riviera1992]

I think someone here that can tweet should tell Taj that it might be time to have a personal chat with MJ3s and explain to them everything that was done to their dad and by whom.

I also agree, if they wanted to go on TV to promote something they could've gone on the Ellen show or somebody that Michael respected. NOT Oprah NEVER. At least not until she makes a heartfelt effort to apologize to Michael, his family and fans.

[twinklEE]

Why should she apologize to people who kiss her ass?. The rest of the Jackson's obviously seem to love Oprah as they keep coming to her show again and again, ever so willingly trashing their deceased and forgotten relative. Seems to me as if some of them think that by surrounding themselves with the likes of Oprah and trashing Michael, Oprah's fame and money will rub of on them, and/or kick start their dead careers. Well none of it is going to happen. The only person laughing all the way to the bank will be Harpo

[ilmjj]

This whole thing is killing me. I just don't understand why they are doing this? How can they ignore everything Oprah's done to Michael, how can whatever reason they think they have for doing this be more important than that? And his children too, they know Michael wouldn't like this, what has changed.......
The worse thing is that we can't do anything about it.

I feel exactly the same way.:wub: I just want to protect Michael now. That's all...

[LindavG]

MON 10/18: "Exclusive: The 16-Year-Old Boy Who Killed His Molester"
WED 10/20: "First TV Interview - Tyler Perry Speaks Out About Being Molested"
THU 10/21: "Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About The Death Of Michael Jackson"

Coincidence? :unsure:

[twinklEE]

and they still kiss her behind,

[Lucilla]

MON 10/18: "Exclusive: The 16-Year-Old Boy Who Killed His Molester"
WED 10/20: "First TV Interview - Tyler Perry Speaks Out About Being Molested"
THU 10/21: "Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About The Death Of Michael Jackson"

Coincidence? :unsure:

Not at all. Not with Oprah.
I still give Katherine and Lisa the benefit of the doubt and think they didn't know this schedule.



This schedule is Oprah laughing at everyone who loves MJ.