Christina Aguilera's New Album Bionic *Update Post 68: War With Label Over Sales"

[Starde]

Originally Posted by Travis

I posted the video so the fact can't be argued. Christina DID throw her gum or whatever it was out in to the crowd. I challenge anyone to watch that and tell me that there was an assistant out in the crowd to catch it. Don't be ridiculous! Nice try. The proof is in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSclS5QHwzE

Also, I've never claimed Madonna, Mariah or any other artist to be an angels (nor do they) but unless you have video proof of what you claim Madonna did, I don't believe it. I'm a big fan and I've never heard about that. Also, even if it did happen, I don't know in what context it happened. Besides, Madonna isn't the one under fire here and there is a big difference between Xtina and Madonna or Mariah. Of course big stars have their quirks (liking things a certain way) but that has nothing to do with treating others around you like common garbage. Even MJ had his demands. Again, those are different things.

I have provided substantial proof of Xtina's bad reputation and behavior both in writing and in video.

No hard feelings here either.

I've been a fan of Christina, especially her music, since the late 90's, but after watching some of those videos above, I became very disappointed in her. And it's a shame really since she's so talented.

[8701girl]

I just watched that vid of her throwing gum ...that was rude & unexpected

[144,000]

i do think she needs to clean up her attitude. if she doesn't do that, that COULD give her a reason to worry about her sales in the future.

[prettygirlmj]

^ She needs to learn some humility from The Kings (Michael and Elvis). Both men were sweet and generous to anyone who stood before them.

She ain't going to be in the scene in 5 years if she keeps up with that attitude.

[8701girl]

Originally Posted by 144,000

i do think she needs to clean up her attitude. if she doesn't do that, that COULD give her a reason to worry about her sales in the future.

Yep totally.

[DanceOfZenab1994]

Originally Posted by Travis

You're so right. American Life is also my favorite album. It's so deeply personal and you can tell it comes from her heart. It's such a departure for her in so many ways.

And you're also right about Madonna never playing the blame game. She's always looking ahead and never standing still. She doesn't have time for it, and it's one of the many reasons I love her. She doesn't even really take the time to celebrate her accomplishments.

All the "best selling female artist" awards that have been handed out to Mariah and Celine were originally offered to her but she turned them down. Even MTV's "Icon" show dedicated to Janet was originally offered to Madonna but she wanted nothing to do with it.

I guess Madonna knows she's the Queen and doesn't feel the need to defend her throne. Either that or she simply doesn't care about awards and titles. It's probably a little bit of both.

WOW.

REALLY? That is amazing...

[Travis]

Originally Posted by DanceOfZenab1994

WOW.

REALLY? That is amazing...

Yes, really. I don't think Madonna likes reflecting on the past too much. She doesn't seem to have time for it or enjoy getting rewards or titles thrown at her. She's always on the next big project. No time to look back.

[DanceOfZenab1994]

Originally Posted by Travis

Yes, really. I don't think Madonna likes reflecting on the past too much. She doesn't seem to have time for it or enjoy getting rewards or titles thrown at her. She's always on the next big project. No time to look back.

That's ironic considering that she has a reputation of an attention seeker. She must be all for the music.

Back to Christina, she would do much better if she just lost the sheer arrogance and opened up.

[ASIS]

Originally Posted by DanceOfZenab1994

That's ironic considering that she has a reputation of an attention seeker. She must be all for the music.

Back to Christina, she would do much better if she just lost the sheer arrogance and opened up.

attention comes with the job really. EVERY star wants as much attention as possible. What Madonna doesn't want is being seen as a "then" person. She doesn't want these awards because she doesn't want people to think that she has done it all. She obviously has fuel left.

That's what I think anyway, travis help my BSing please

[Travis]

Originally Posted by ASIS

attention comes with the job really. EVERY star wants as much attention as possible. What Madonna doesn't want is being seen as a "then" person. She doesn't want these awards because she doesn't want people to think that she has done it all. She obviously has fuel left.

That's what I think anyway, travis help my BSing please

No, you're right. I think you hit the nail right on the head, so to speak. I'm sure Madonna doesn't like reflecting on the past or accepting awards (etc) because it makes her feel over and done (something to collect dust on a shelf). I don't think Madonna could ever take time off to just relax. She doesn't feel content unless she's doing something ambitious, be it an album, book, tour, clothing line or film (which Madonna is currently working on directing a film and unveiling a new clothing line with her daughter).

[Agent M]

Originally Posted by 144,000

but if the artist doesn't think they are disappointed, that's all that matters. if you are the fan, and you are disappointed..that's on you.

But Michael was "disappointed" with the lack of promotion and lower sales of Invincible, hence the tacky protest against Tommy Mottola then the CEO of Sony Music Entertainment.

Originally Posted by 144,000

if you are the fan, and you are disappointed..that's on you. that doesn't hurt the artist. i, as a fan, was not disappointed with Invincible sales

It does "hurt the artist" if large swaths of fans are disappointed because they are less likely to buy the album and singles, download, and request airplay. Invincible's relatively low sales are a reflection of its lack of popularity in comparison to the other albums. It's relatively low popularity is also reflected in the absence of songs in This Is It.

Originally Posted by 144,000

if you think Invincible was anything less than a bright spot in MJ's career.

Originally Posted by 144,000

no..i don't see any low points in MJ's career.

Originally Posted by ASIS

But are you honestly trying to tell me that MJ has no low points throughout his career? Are you trying to convince me that Invincible was just as successful as Thriller? If there is a peak, there is a base. Thriller was MJ's peak, and Invincible was his base. Take it how you will, but that's the truth.

In the March 2002 Vibe magazine interview, Michael was asked "How was it to be competing for sales with the likes of 'N Sync and Britney Spears, children who were basically born at the height of your fame?" [Britney and Justin were born in 1981; Thriller was released in 1982.] Michael answered the question by saying "it's a great honor. I'm happy." He didn't deny the fact that that period was "the height of [his] fame" due to the unparalleled commercial success and cultural impact of the Thriller album.

Invincible, while a very good album and successful by any standard other than Michael's own, was not a "bright spot" in his career. It was the "low point" Michael Jackson fans waited 8 years for him to hopefully recover from. That's part of the great tragedy of his premature passing. He was on the verge of a comeback from the lowest point in his career.

It will be interesting to see if Christina Aguilera can recover from Bionic, the low point of her career thus far. Hopefully, her fans won't have to wait 8 years to find out.

Originally Posted by Tony R

Travis, you neglected to mention that it's also her best album. Also she never plays the blame game when an album doesn't sell well, no record company wars just moves on to the next project.

Was that a jab at Michael who famously feuded with Sony as I alluded to above? Whatever the legitimacy of his complaints, however, I do he think could have handled the dispute with more dignity and tact.

Originally Posted by Travis

All the "best selling female artist" awards that have been handed out to Mariah and Celine were originally offered to her but she turned them down. Even MTV's "Icon" show dedicated to Janet was originally offered to Madonna but she wanted nothing to do with it.

Well, Michael seemed to revel in receiving them so I don't know if you're cryptically criticizing him for it.

Originally Posted by Travis

No, you're right. I think you hit the nail right on the head, so to speak. I'm sure Madonna doesn't like reflecting on the past or accepting awards (etc) because it makes her feel over and done (something to collect dust on a shelf). I don't think Madonna could ever take time off to just relax. She doesn't feel content unless she's doing something ambitious, be it an album, book, tour, clothing line or film (which Madonna is currently working on directing a film and unveiling a new clothing line with her daughter).

But couldn't being recognized for impressive achievements spur further such achievements? By her standards, what's so "ambitious" about that given the fact that she's done it all before? As for her foray back into film, well I guess you have to admire her persistence.

[ASIS]

Agent M, you need to realize that artists behave in different ways to keep pushing themselves forward. Michael for instance, took on a very mysterious persona when he became a cultural phenomenon. He refused to do any interviews for quite a long time. In fact, his interviews are so scarce it always seemed like an event whenever he made a new one. Other acts, such as the beatles, were very open to the world even when they were at the peak of their career. I don't think there is a correct behavior or a faulty one, the same is true with the way they like to view their achievements. Michael loved awards, and so does Madonna for that matter. The difference is, Madonna feels like these awards will ultimately cloud her mentality and will make her feel stuck in the past, whereas MJ found a way to deal with that problem.

BTW I think I know why Christina's album is tanking. She's not even the main freaking subject OF HER OWN THREAD that's just sad..

[Travis]

Originally Posted by ASIS

BTW I think I know why Christina's album is tanking. She's not even the main freaking subject OF HER OWN THREAD that's just sad..

I couldn't help but chuckle at that. And yes, honestly, I really don't think people find her all that interesting.

[144,000]

Originally Posted by Agent M

But Michael was "disappointed" with the lack of promotion and lower sales of Invincible, hence the tacky protest against Tommy Mottola then the CEO of Sony Music Entertainment.



It does "hurt the artist" if large swaths of fans are disappointed because they are less likely to buy the album and singles, download, and request airplay. Invincible's relatively low sales are a reflection of its lack of popularity in comparison to the other albums. It's relatively low popularity is also reflected in the absence of songs in This Is It.




In the March 2002 Vibe magazine interview, Michael was asked "How was it to be competing for sales with the likes of 'N Sync and Britney Spears, children who were basically born at the height of your fame?" [Britney and Justin were born in 1981; Thriller was released in 1982.] Michael answered the question by saying "it's a great honor. I'm happy." He didn't deny the fact that that period was "the height of [his] fame" due to the unparalleled commercial success and cultural impact of the Thriller album.

Invincible, while a very good album and successful by any standard other than Michael's own, was not a "bright spot" in his career. It was the "low point" Michael Jackson fans waited 8 years for him to hopefully recover from. That's part of the great tragedy of his premature passing. He was on the verge of a comeback from the lowest point in his career.

It will be interesting to see if Christina Aguilera can recover from Bionic, the low point of her career thus far. Hopefully, her fans won't have to wait 8 years to find out.


Was that a jab at Michael who famously feuded with Sony as I alluded to above? Whatever the legitimacy of his complaints, however, I do he think could have handled the dispute with more dignity and tact.

Well, Michael seemed to revel in receiving them so I don't know if you're cryptically criticizing him for it.


But couldn't being recognized for impressive achievements spur further such achievements? By her standards, what's so "ambitious" about that given the fact that she's done it all before? As for her foray back into film, well I guess you have to admire her persistence.

Agent M, MIchael did not express disappointment in the sales of Invincible. he just expressed how angry he was at Sony. when he did the interview with Carson Daly, he showed he was fine with the performance of Invincible. especially with all the adversity against it. there are no valleys in MJ's career. especially when you consider the adversity he faced. and if you are implying that people are weak minded enough to listen to other people and not find out stuff for themselves, then you are underestimating a lot of people. Invincible hit number 1 in its first weeks, around the world, and Carson Daly interviewed him on mtv for it. it's just plain really sad for anyone to call that a failure, or even a 'relative disappointment'. but that kind of thinking is why artists might not want to tour anymore, if people are never satisfied. the bad habit is the more they get, the more they want, and they don't appreciate, what just happened, yesterday, when that yesterday was considered a dream, before it happened. and making comparison studies between albums is a bad, destructive way to look at business. looking forward. that's what it's all about. the reason why MJ's career is so successful, is because he does NOT see Invincible as a disappointment. that has been his whole mindset, as he, himself has voiced. and the reason why his success is so monumental, is because of his rare..very rare positive way of thinking. and the way he handled the sony situation in 2002 was just right. maybe you weren't in the firing line, and going through what MJ was going through for what seemed like too many decades, but, after awhile, enough is enough. better to walk a mile in the moccasin than make a judgment, without doing so.

also, i guess u didn't really watch the movie, but ''threatened' was featured in THis Is It. the movie. you really seem to be looking for the negative, where there is none. there are many who would love to have MJ's so called 'negatives' in his career.

[ASIS]

Originally Posted by 144,000

Agent M, MIchael did not express disappointment in the sales of Invincible. he just expressed how angry he was at Sony. when he did the interview with Carson Daly, he showed he was fine with the performance of Invincible. especially with all the adversity against it. there are no valleys in MJ's career. especially when you consider the adversity he faced. and if you are implying that people are weak minded enough to listen to other people and not find out stuff for themselves, then you are underestimating a lot of people. Invincible hit number 1 in its first weeks, around the world, and Carson Daly interviewed him on mtv for it. it's just plain really sad for anyone to call that a failure, or even a 'relative disappointment'. but that kind of thinking is why artists might not want to tour anymore, if people are never satisfied. the bad habit is the more they get, the more they want, and they don't appreciate, what just happened, yesterday, when that yesterday was considered a dream, before it happened. and making comparison studies between albums is a bad, destructive way to look at business. looking forward. that's what it's all about. the reason why MJ's career is so successful, is because he does NOT see Invincible as a disappointment. that has been his whole mindset, as he, himself has voiced. and the reason why his success is so monumental, is because of his rare..very rare positive way of thinking. and the way he handled the sony situation in 2002 was just right. maybe you weren't in the firing line, and going through what MJ was going through for what seemed like too many decades, but, after awhile, enough is enough. better to walk a mile in the moccasin than make a judgment, without doing so.

also, i guess u didn't really watch the movie, but ''threatened' was featured in THis Is It. the movie. you really seem to be looking for the negative, where there is none. there are many who would love to have MJ's so called 'negatives' in his career.

Invincible is NOT a flop, but it wasn't as successful as his previous records, ESPECIALLY thriller.