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Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Anti-Slapp? That sounded familiar to me. Nothing to do with this case that is.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

ivy said:
^^

perhaps some juvenile stuff should be better left on twitter especially if they bring nothing to the discussion. MJJC is a place for intelligent discussions. I personally prefer people to contribute to the discussion.
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I love intelligent discussions, even though it is not always easy for me to understand. But I DO UNDERSTAND slander, name-calling of the Jackson family!!!! And you can't call that intelligent discussion!! And it's allowed on here and I hate it!!
 
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Chamife said:
With his review of the Michael album he lost all credibility in my eyes. Adios Joe Vogel. I loved the review of Syll Mortilla much more. A real fan with real knowledge. Period.
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Joe is cool, he made a mistake, admitted later he was wrong. I wouldn't call Syll Mortilla a fan, I would call him a hater before. He is an extremist, anti-Michael Jackson's Estate and anti Michael Jackson's albums. Recently when Off The Wall was re-released he was inviting people and gullible fans to boycott Michael Jackson's releases to promote himself, his page and his book. Not a fan. Period.

https://www.facebook.com/sylmortill....1465725192./1682717495302485/?type=3&theater
 
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Chamife said:
With his review of the Michael album he lost all credibility in my eyes. Adios Joe Vogel. I loved the review of Syll Mortilla much more. A real fan with real knowledge. Period.
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Are you serious?

This is Syl M (aka Peter Mills) "a real fan" work before MJ died. Since then he has turned into fan like many others in hopes to make some cash or whatever:doh:

Word of warning, it took me a week to read that garbage article that he got paid to write.


Michael Jackson: An Experiment in Perception
16 Mar 2009
Written By: Peter Mills

Shifty glances. Are you paparazzi or are you fan? There is a subversive code for Michael Jackson fans that determines the answer to this question, one that comes down to your alias on the fansite forum. Whisper it: Are you 'Dr. Heat'? Are you 'Chongo'? For the neutral observer this may seem a tad over the top. Nay, downright bizarre. Then you would remember, these are Michael Jackson fans. They live and breathe over the top. Nay, downright bizarre.


I am standing outside Michael Jackson's hotel on a frigid night in March; the only heat being produced coming from the engine of a car blaring out as obscure a Michael Jackson remix as you've ever heard. When an artist produces as frugal amount of material as Michael Jackson does, there is plenty a bottom of a barrel to be scraped; many a 'hee hee' to be bludgeoned to death by Tony Moran or some other such nineties, well, bludgeoner.

Tomorrow, Michael Jackson is going to be giving a press conference to thousands of fans. He will mount the stage for three and a half minutes, giggle a lot and say 'I love you' to everybody then leave without answering any questions. So not a press conference at all then, really? More an opportunity for loads of people to stare at one man's face for a bit? Whatever, I can't wait.
Besides, it's got to be more interesting than what I'm doing at the minute. I'm staring at what ostensibly is Michael Jackson's window. Not a window to a world of magic or a metaphorical glimpse into Michael Jackson's soul.

Simply a window. I say 'ostensibly' as logic dictates that out of all the windows in the vast Lainesborough Hotel, the one with lots of people staring at it and chanting things is surely most likely to be his? The chants are really quite something. They range from the very demanding Who do we want? MICHAEL! When do we want him? NOW! To the somewhat inappropriate Smooth CRIMINAL! Smooth CRIMINAL! With all manner of adapted football stadium chants in-between. Considering the fact that there are three children (that we know of) in the hotel with Michael, surely a candle-lit 'Heal The World' love-in would be more suitable?

There is the odd fan, however, that is indeed more peaceable; they simply stare at the window whilst occasionally vocalising innocent musings such as I wonder what he's doing up there? To which the only response can be, probably best not to ask.


Anyway, it's nigh on impossible to not get involved and into the swing of things. People become deer. Sensitivities heighten to supernatural levels; heads switch with the twitch of a curtain. I found myself screaming banalities, A kid! There's a kid at the window! Yes, there had been a kid at the window. Of course, when staring at a window, there are phases of tedium. You can hear the surrounding paparazzi attempting to fill the void, muttering Michael Jackson wisecracks under their breath, the injection of real and present danger adding gravitas to a Neil Hamburger joke that incorporates the words 'children', 'eating', 'plate', 'of' and 'sperm'. It is all undeniably although inexplicably exciting. Even if it eventually turned out that it wasn't his window.


The day of the 'press conference' began at six o' clock in the morning. Despite the fact that Michael wouldn't be speaking until four o' clock in the afternoon, I had been told to arrive as early as possible should I wish to be at the front. I so wished, and so arrived at the o2 by nine o'clock. I was handed a band that guaranteed a place in the Golden Circle and was told I could wander around until nearer the time. There were around thirty people already there, most of who had camped there overnight, and they had been given the same band that I had, so they really needn't have bothered. Michael Jackson songs were playing out of every shop and restaurant; there was already a tangible buzz of anticipation. Indeed, as I walked past the fairground inside the o2, I half expected to see the man himself whizzing (in both senses of the word) around in a dodgem, convulsing in paroxysms of maniacal delight in preparation for his comeback speech, puking through his 'nose' in excitement, whooping, They're playing my songs again, children! They're playing my songs! But he wasn't.


The queue commenced at one o'clock. For literally anybody else on the planet, it wouldn't or shouldn't have done, but for Michael Jackson, it did. People waved their wrists in the air and screamed at security I've got a band!, just in case security were blind. It was pandemonium. The words no band, no entry literally affected some people to the point where they shrieked with self-loathing for not arriving early enough. As they crumpled and dissolved, you could see in their agonised eyes that they felt themselves no longer worthy of existence, the only remaining option was to go and admonish themselves superficially with scissors in the bathroom, because to actually kill themselves would be too good for them. And Michael wouldn't approve of suicide, but he was quite obviously pro self-mutilation. Besides, there was the pathetically slim possibility that he might have a new album out soon. And you wouldn't want to be dead for that.

So we stood. And stood. Then we stood some more. We just kept standing, really. Four o' clock came and went. People became deer again, although this time deer unable to perform any other physical expression other than standing and twitching their heads from side to side; deer crushed by other deer attempting to squeeze to the front to get close to a really famous deer. And then after a seeming infinitum of standing, the red curtains parted, and out stepped... Dermot O Leary.


Dermot appeared overwhelmed. He expressed his sympathies to the vast crowd for us having to stand for so long, and then he introduced the King of Pop, Michael Jackson! Cue live-feed of a bus door opening and someone, something alighting from it. Was that Michael Jackson? It certainly looked like something that Michael Jackson should look like. What does Michael Jackson look like? Does anyone even know anymore? Michael Jackson is no longer a brand, he's a rebrand. Like Starburst. Or Snickers. We witnessed 'Michael Jackson' contemplate a golf buggy that had been placed next to the bus. Most observers have put the expression on his face when he looked at it as Am I supposed to get in that? My opinion differs. I swear the expression on his face was Oh my God, I really want to get in that and dick around for a bit backstage! Maybe it was the 'real' Michael Jackson after all. He eventually made it to the stage.


So we stared. And stared. Then we stared some more. We just kept staring, really. Well, I did, but in actual fact I was surrounded by an insane maelstrom of worship. So many thoughts hurried through my mind. His face. His f**king face. It's a bona fide tragedy. I considered that in a perverse way, plastic surgery is Michael Jackson's hiding place; the man is trying to hide. For forty years his face has elicited this response wherever it has been seen. Which I suppose would have been a perfectly plausible escape route had he not also possessed the ego that both corresponds with and craves this unparalleled adulation. The ego means he cannot live without the fans, the face proves he cannot live with them. Seeing Michael Jackson's face sends your mind into freefall. You know that you're supposed to be looking at a middle aged black man. Then the paedophilia allegations creep into your thoughts and you know you're supposed to be looking at a bald, fat man in a dirty mac. Looking at Michael Jackson's face forces you to challenge your own prejudices. He seems to be nothing less than an experiment in perception.


I then began pondering the age-old debate about why Michael Jackson is more famous than Prince. And it struck me that the answer is quite simple. Michael Jackson is surrounded by an aura of enigma. We don't care what Prince is doing in his spare time because it's probably relatively normal. When Prince is having a quiet five minutes in his bedroom removing his detachable ribs and sucking himself off, Michael Jackson is most likely to be found in a pram, removing his detachable ribs and knitting animal shapes with them. Possibly. That's just it, who knows?


So, that's how those 'historic' three and a half minutes were spent, in an isolated bubble of psychobabble thoughts and musings on the benefits of detachable ribs. I heard Michael Jackson say this is it, see you in July, and then he left. I literally felt, both physically and mentally, as if I'd just finished drunkenly banging away for seven hours without ever achieving orgasm. More is that it? Than this is it. And it wasn't just me. On the way out I overheard someone pose the question, So, tell me honestly, did you enjoy seeing Michael Jackson? To which the response was, Of course... but then, I enjoyed seeing Dermot too.


Starting in July, Michael Jackson is playing fifty concerts at the o2. Fifty. Mere weeks ago a picture of his plastered face was plastered over the front page of The Sun beneath a headline suggesting he was dying as a result of, quite ironically, the flesh-eating bacteria, MRSA. It didn't appear that way at the press conference. But then, when it comes to Michael Jackson nothing is ever as it appears. Can he pull it off (the gigs, not his face)? Tickets are the fastest selling in history, and I for one have three of them. Why? Well after all, even if the spectacle is nothing more than an aged, anaemic androgyne walking round and round on the spot with the aid of a stick, fervently miming "gotta dance, on the floor, goin' round", I want to be able to say that I was there. Thrice. Because really, we're all a bit sick.
 
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I can't take someone seriously who doesn't recognize Michael Jacksons's voice and jubilate a fake song. To me it's all about the music. If you're a random person, okay...but not when you're specialist or call yourself an expert. Then I'm done. I read Syll Mortilla (or Peter Mills') review and felt a connection at that moment. I felt he knew what he was talking about.
 
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We are different but I cannot take seriously nor connect with person who can write this:
"Well after all, even if the spectacle is nothing more than an aged, anaemic androgyne walking round and round on the spot with the aid of a stick, fervently miming "gotta dance, on the floor, goin' round", I want to be able to say that I was there. Thrice. Because really, we're all a bit sick."

He can call himself sick all he likes, but count me out of his "we".
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

What the Estate did with MICHAEL is unforgivable, indefensible and unexcusable disrespecting Michael's impecable legacy but they learned the lesson afterwards and kind of redeemed themselves withe the next releases. I'm still angry at the Cascio tracks but it doesn't mean I will boycott everything else.

Fortunately not all the fans are guillible and tell this Syl guy like it is. From the link Onir posted.

"Syl Mortilla, You're the one engaging in fraud. Why don't you tell the fans the truth about how Michael makes you feel? Circa 2005."
 
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I sommmeetimes feel like the estate gets too much of a bad rap for the cascio tracks.. I do not believe they intentionally would release fake songs.. They can be dooped too!
 
Sony Can't Slip Michael Jackson Deception Class Claims
By Daniel Siegal

Law360, Los Angeles (June 30, 2016, 10:57 PM ET) -- A California judge rejected Sony Music Entertainment's bid to toss consumer protection claims from a putative class action alleging Sony tricked Michael Jackson fans into buying posthumous albums containing songs sung by other vocalists, saying the dismissal bid was improper procedurally and wouldn't have prevailed anyway.

In an unusual result, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Ann I. Jones refused to issue a formal ruling on motions to strike the suit under California's law against lawsuits that infringe free speech, known as the anti-SLAPP statute, filed by Sony, Michael Jackson's estate, and Angelikson Productions LLC. Plaintiff Vera Serova alleged Angelikson committed fraud and violated California consumer protection laws by having an impostor record vocals for a posthumous Jackson album, and that Sony and the Jackson estate violated the consumer protection laws by touting the tracks' authenticity.

While the parties had entered into a stipulation to accompany the motions to strike to allow the judge to decide as a threshold matter whether the claims under California's Unfair Competition Law and Consumer Legal Remedies Act fail because the alleged misrepresentations were not “commercial speech,” Judge Jones refused to do so. The judge said that the parties were asking her to make factual, summary adjudication type determinations, and that she would not do so on an anti-SLAPP motion, instead issuing an "advisory opinion" rebuffing the motions.

“At the end of the day … I'm not in a position substantively to resolve the issues that you’ve presented,” she said. “I get the desire to get to the end first, but I don’t think we can. … I tried very hard to push this into a SLAPP analysis, and it doesn’t fit.”

Even if she were to take the stipulation as true, Judge Jones said, the statements at issue could potentially be taken to mislead a reasonable consumer, and so she would have denied the anti-SLAPP motion anyway.

Serova filed suit in June 2014, alleging she bought the album, “Michael,” because Sony certified on the cover that all songs were sung by Jackson, according to the suit. But three songs were sung by people pretending to be Jackson, according to an audio expert she hired to analyze the tracks.

The songs “Breaking News,” “Monster” and “Keep Your Head Up” — known as the Cascio tracks, after the location where they were produced — don’t feature Jackson’s voice, though Sony assured listeners both on the album cover and in later dust-ups over the album’s production that he was indeed the singer, according to the suit.

Sony sold the allegedly fake Jackson songs not only on compact disc, but also in individual form on electronic outlets such as iTunes and as part of a collection of songs sold in 2013, Serova claimed.

The album dropped in December 2010, a year and a half after Jackson’s death. Since then, controversy has swirled around the vocal recordings used on the album, particularly for the three songs included in the suit, Serova said.

Sony said Jackson recorded the songs in the basement of the family home of one of his friends, producer Edward Cascio, but several Jackson family members disputed that the King of Pop was the singer of those songs, Serova said.

On Thursday, Zia F. Modabber of Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP, representing Sony and the Jackson estate, urged Judge Jones to reconsider, arguing that forcing the parties to conduct class discovery and argue class certification before addressing this threshold legal issue — one on which both sides agreed the facts were settled — would be wasteful.

“Whether or not these are Michael Jackson’s vocals is irrelevant,” he said. “If it’s noncommercial speech, we win, it’s over.”

Judge Jones, however, wouldn't budge, saying she didn't know what the motion was, but “it's not an anti-SLAPP motion,” and also rejected the defendants' request to bring a revised anti-SLAPP motion to address her concerns, ordering the parties to open class discovery and begin moving to a class certification hearing.

“This was your bite at the early apple,” she said. “This case is two years old and it hasn’t even had class discovery. ... I really am ready to move on.”

–Additional reporting by Kat Greene. Editing by Mark Lebetkin.

http://www.law360.com/classaction/a...t-slip-michael-jackson-deception-class-claims
 
Sony Music Tricked Michael Jackson Fans Into Buying Fake CDs

California Judge rejects Sony Music’s attempt to wriggle out of the ongoing lawsuit over fake Michael Jackson recordings…

In 2014, a Michael Jackson fan – Vera Serova, accused Jackson’s long time friend Eddie Cascio, James Porte, and Cascio’s production company Angelikson Productions LLC of creating and selling fake songs via Michael Jackson’s estate and Sony Music Entertainment. The fake songs were allegedly released on the 2010 Michael Album, and include ‘Monster’, ‘Keep Your Head Up’, and ‘Breaking News’.

Both Cascio and Porte claim that these songs were recorded in Cascio’s New Jersey basement in 2007. However, Serova and the entire Jackson family contest these claims. They say that despite the recordings bearing a similar sound to that of the pop legend, Michael Jackson never recorded those songs, and it is evident as the recordings in question have too many inconsistencies.

Consequently, Serova filed a lawsuit against Cascio and Porte. But, also included Sony Music Entertainment, as Serova claims that they mislead consumers by falsely representing the songs as Michael Jackson recordings.

Sony Music tried to get the Judge on the case to rule out consumer protection claims from the putative class action which alleged that Sony tricked fans into buying Michael Jackson’s posthumous albums containing songs recorded by other vocalists. But, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Ann I. Jones rejected Sony’s attempts, stating that the dismissal bid was ”improper procedurally and wouldn’t have prevailed anyway”.

The case continues…

Original filing is below.

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016/07/01/sony-music-tricked-michael-jackson-fans-buy-fake-cds/
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Keep your head up Vera against the Monster and you will break the news.

Gooo Veraaa.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

If these tracks were real the Cascios could simply share the masters.... Or footage of him recording it.. or something!!! not just say they will prove than do nothing..
 
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Defendants have filed a notice of appeal.

Not really surprising IMO. Judge had basically refused to rule on anti-slapp motions. it's no surprise that the defendants want a ruling on that.
 
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Thanks, what an interesting development?......IMO I think its MJ doing a really rough incomplete demo (messing around at the Casino home that was never meant to be released), mixed with bits from other recordings and an MJ soundalike. Those tracks didn't sound authentic to me.
 
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Good news to hear.
 
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Goddess4Real said:
Thanks, what an interesting development?......IMO I think its MJ doing a really rough incomplete demo (messing around at the Casino home that was never meant to be released), mixed with bits from other recordings and an MJ soundalike. Those tracks didn't sound authentic to me.
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I doubt Michael ever recorded a second of any of the cascio tracks
 
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Hello everyone. Just found out about the development of this topic. Good to see that unresolved things from the past seem to be taken care of. ;)
 
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Right around Michael birthday i was looking at the OW show where she had the Cascio family on three and the son said with out a doubt this was Michael voice on these tracks and Teddy Riley said the same thing. See you can't fool a Michael Jackson fan they know MJ voice.
 
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How long do court cases like this take to finish? It's probably been answered in the thread before but there's like 90 pages of stuff :p.
 
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Years
 
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If these tracks are fake, then whoever made them did a fantastic job of deceiving both Sony and Michael's estate. But to me, it still sounds like him; never understood why so many disagreed. MJ had a massive vocal range.
 
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Moviefan2k4 said:
If these tracks are fake, then whoever made them did a fantastic job of deceiving both Sony and Michael's estate. But to me, it still sounds like him; never understood why so many disagreed. MJ had a massive vocal range.
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I don't think it is so difficult to deceive Sony and the Estate - they are not fans. It is a lot more difficult to deceive fans. And the person who sings on those tracks (who is not MJ in my opinion) does not have a massive vocal range at all, so I don't know how vocal range comes here.
 
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I'll say this, those who say it does not sound like Michael at all and try to make it out like they know MJ's voice more so than others that think it does.. that's silly! it does sound like Michaels adult voice, it's just a few things make it hard to believe it's MJ.. 1. the aggressive tones are not MJ sounding 2. the vibrato is very similar to Jason malachi.. Now Jason (or whoever) only uses the pitch that match MJ's very well and everything else is so spliced with real MJ (grunts and sounds) that it fits together well..

It Is very understandable why people could believe it's MJ..Even I am not 110% sure it is not, I only lean that direction more.
 
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Momma see momma see got you in a zigzag

The tracks have nothing to do with MJ
Many adlibs were copied from MJ tracks (unbreakable, Xscape, they don't care about us) there was many more but I can't seem to remember the list
 
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Moviefan2k4 said:
If these tracks are fake, then whoever made them did a fantastic job of deceiving both Sony and Michael's estate. But to me, it still sounds like him; never understood why so many disagreed. MJ had a massive vocal range.
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Yeah, I agree completely. It's weird to me that so many people think they're fake.
 
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I think the reason why people go back and forth and this stays as a strong debate is NOT because it doesn't sound like Michael - because it does..

But what keeps it alive is how much it sounds like Jason Malachi's impression of Michael..
 
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KOPV said:
I think the reason why people go back and forth and this stays as a strong debate is NOT because it doesn't sound like Michael - because it does..

But what keeps it alive is how much it sounds like Jason Malachi's impression of Michael..
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This Malachi stuff is absolutely ridiculous. Reminds me of how people said 2000 Watts was fake or edited because a lot of people couldn't accept that Michael had the range that he did.
 
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^ mmm, not really.. The reason why there was comparison to Jason is because there are distinct similarities where as in 2000 watts it was because the voice was simply at a lower register..

Does anyone have those comparative audios anymore? they are pretty interesting
 
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I'm 100% sure that if '2000 Watts' was on 'Michael', the same people would be saying it was 100% fake.

Can anyone confirm if MJ ever wrote songs called 'Monster' or 'Breaking News'? They have a real MJ 'feel' to them, which makes me think he could have been involved in their creation somehow, with them being edited/completed after his death.
 
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