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MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal
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Ashtanga
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1.756?! :bugeyed It's a lot, huh?! :fear:
1.756?! :bugeyed It's a lot, huh?! :fear:
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Scary. ... Why did you have do live in such a freaky world, child..?
Scary. ... Why did you have do live in such a freaky world, child..?
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
Updates from the above titled case:
- The MJ Estate requested for a non-jury trial, that Johnson's lawyers wouldn't take. They say they prepaired for a jury trial, and this change might make their work harder. There is still no decesion in this matter.
- Trent Jackson declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: he worked for MJ for 7 years as the executive assistant of his mother, Katherine Jackson. His responsibilities includes being with Katherine 24/7, interacting with the staff around her and MJ's kids, overseeing the activities and environments they live in, etc.
He and Katherine first met with Johnson in July 2010, when they had a lunch talking about Heal The World Foundation and their volunteer work. Trent insist that MJ and Raymone Bain told him and Katherine that Johnson is taking care of the charity and will preserve it.
Trent is responsible for mentoring the MJ kids within the foundation, as well he was there with them this February on the HTWF charity event. He tells in the declaration that MJ's kids shortly after his death picked up some clothes and visited a homeless shelter in Los Angeles. As well later they got back to the same shelter again without the press.
Trent claims that since MJ's death John Branca didn't visit either Katherine or the kids.
- Raymone Bain declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: She has been contacted by Johnson in 2006 and in the coming years about concerns related to MJ. Bain asked MJ if Johnson is entitled to do anything in the name of the charity, and MJ confirmed that he granted Johnson's request to take over the charity in early 2005. According to Bain, MJ's intention with letting Johnson handling the charity issues was because he wanted to focus on his upcoming trial. But he strongly warned Johnson that he doesn't want again what happened in 2001 with his charity, and won't take responsibilities for anything. If this would happen then he will ask Johnson to close it down. MJ was furthermore concerned that his charity money will go to administration costs and to the ones needed.
- Katherine Jackson declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: She asked the MJ Estate to take part in selecting the charities that would benefit from the 20% of the estate incomes. However she said she has been excluded from this and any other decesion regarding the MJ Estate. She said that she and Joe Jackson joined to the charity to express their concern about the MJ Estate executors destroying it.
Katherine claimed that MJ told her on many occasions that he is afraid of Branca, because he stole from him. She says the estate executors tried to intervene with what they are doing with the charity, including in the Oprah and the GMA interviews where segments has been cut off due to their demand.
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Updates from the above titled case:
- The MJ Estate requested for a non-jury trial, that Johnson's lawyers wouldn't take. They say they prepaired for a jury trial, and this change might make their work harder. There is still no decesion in this matter.
- Trent Jackson declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: he worked for MJ for 7 years as the executive assistant of his mother, Katherine Jackson. His responsibilities includes being with Katherine 24/7, interacting with the staff around her and MJ's kids, overseeing the activities and environments they live in, etc.
He and Katherine first met with Johnson in July 2010, when they had a lunch talking about Heal The World Foundation and their volunteer work. Trent insist that MJ and Raymone Bain told him and Katherine that Johnson is taking care of the charity and will preserve it.
Trent is responsible for mentoring the MJ kids within the foundation, as well he was there with them this February on the HTWF charity event. He tells in the declaration that MJ's kids shortly after his death picked up some clothes and visited a homeless shelter in Los Angeles. As well later they got back to the same shelter again without the press.
Trent claims that since MJ's death John Branca didn't visit either Katherine or the kids.
- Raymone Bain declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: She has been contacted by Johnson in 2006 and in the coming years about concerns related to MJ. Bain asked MJ if Johnson is entitled to do anything in the name of the charity, and MJ confirmed that he granted Johnson's request to take over the charity in early 2005. According to Bain, MJ's intention with letting Johnson handling the charity issues was because he wanted to focus on his upcoming trial. But he strongly warned Johnson that he doesn't want again what happened in 2001 with his charity, and won't take responsibilities for anything. If this would happen then he will ask Johnson to close it down. MJ was furthermore concerned that his charity money will go to administration costs and to the ones needed.
- Katherine Jackson declared the followings as the witness of Johnson: She asked the MJ Estate to take part in selecting the charities that would benefit from the 20% of the estate incomes. However she said she has been excluded from this and any other decesion regarding the MJ Estate. She said that she and Joe Jackson joined to the charity to express their concern about the MJ Estate executors destroying it.
Katherine claimed that MJ told her on many occasions that he is afraid of Branca, because he stole from him. She says the estate executors tried to intervene with what they are doing with the charity, including in the Oprah and the GMA interviews where segments has been cut off due to their demand.
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
"Katherine claimed that MJ told her on many occasions that he is afraid of Branca, because he stole from him. She says the estate executors tried to intervene with what they are doing with the charity, including in the Oprah and the GMA interviews where segments has been cut off due to their demand."
Then mrs Jackson. If this is the case why did you stop your objection to the will?
I just don't get either of you, what I believed is you Katherine and Joe are trying to do is to tap into that 20% that Mj leave in his will for charity, if you want mrs Jackson. Why don't you and the kids form a charity? I bet John can see right through you and Joe many scam to get into Mj estate and make trouble.
Start a new charity. And work with the estate.
"Katherine claimed that MJ told her on many occasions that he is afraid of Branca, because he stole from him. She says the estate executors tried to intervene with what they are doing with the charity, including in the Oprah and the GMA interviews where segments has been cut off due to their demand."
Then mrs Jackson. If this is the case why did you stop your objection to the will?
I just don't get either of you, what I believed is you Katherine and Joe are trying to do is to tap into that 20% that Mj leave in his will for charity, if you want mrs Jackson. Why don't you and the kids form a charity? I bet John can see right through you and Joe many scam to get into Mj estate and make trouble.
Start a new charity. And work with the estate.
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
Yeah, all of this stuff is major confusing and makes your head spin and spin. If Katherine believes that Branca is truly a crook and MJ was scared of him, then she should have pursued challenging the will. But then to put all her trust in Mann/Johnson as being truly legitimate is ridiculous. Stuff just NEVER NEVER stops where MJ is concerned. It's amazing he survived as well as he did.
Yeah, all of this stuff is major confusing and makes your head spin and spin. If Katherine believes that Branca is truly a crook and MJ was scared of him, then she should have pursued challenging the will. But then to put all her trust in Mann/Johnson as being truly legitimate is ridiculous. Stuff just NEVER NEVER stops where MJ is concerned. It's amazing he survived as well as he did.
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
"It's amazing he survived as well as he did."
I say this every time I read all the BS happening know, when are Katherine and Joe going to show some respect for there son who has and still cloth and feed them, KJ live like a queen and yet it is not enough, Mj is dead and yet it is not enough, I guess it's not going to be enough on till they get it all to do as they please. Can someone tell me where is the love and remorse those people show for MJ, has it is they don't appere to learn any lesson, they are old grandmother and grandfather who are to set example for other to fellow,
"It's amazing he survived as well as he did."
I say this every time I read all the BS happening know, when are Katherine and Joe going to show some respect for there son who has and still cloth and feed them, KJ live like a queen and yet it is not enough, Mj is dead and yet it is not enough, I guess it's not going to be enough on till they get it all to do as they please. Can someone tell me where is the love and remorse those people show for MJ, has it is they don't appere to learn any lesson, they are old grandmother and grandfather who are to set example for other to fellow,
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
John B has not visited since Michael died why should he? And the last time I checked he is not on trial for anything. Oh and this did he not stop by the house to read the will to you guys? And if Michael really felt that way about John why did he rehire him before he died? Why did he not fire him in 05? Why did he not take his name off his wil? And Bain I can think of 44 mill reasons why I do not believe you.
John B has not visited since Michael died why should he? And the last time I checked he is not on trial for anything. Oh and this did he not stop by the house to read the will to you guys? And if Michael really felt that way about John why did he rehire him before he died? Why did he not fire him in 05? Why did he not take his name off his wil? And Bain I can think of 44 mill reasons why I do not believe you.
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@Webbie - You posted the update on the wrong case (it's not Mann case it's HTWF case) so I moved them to the correct thread.
Is these statements really surprising you? We already knew that it was Jacksons against the Estate for more money and Raymone Bain is a disgruntled employee that sued and lost $40M from the Estate so no surprises there.
Two minor corrections for the time being
1. The Estate is still in probate so that means they cannot distribute money to charities yet. So Katherine is way early in trying to determine charities. Dear Adam Streisand please explain your client what is a probate and how it works.
2. The most funny thing is that they file pages and pages badmouthing Branca and then say he doesn't come and visit them. Where's Homer Simpson and his "doh" when you need him? If you openly hate a person they don't come and socialize with you. It's that simple.
@Webbie - You posted the update on the wrong case (it's not Mann case it's HTWF case) so I moved them to the correct thread.
Is these statements really surprising you? We already knew that it was Jacksons against the Estate for more money and Raymone Bain is a disgruntled employee that sued and lost $40M from the Estate so no surprises there.
Two minor corrections for the time being
1. The Estate is still in probate so that means they cannot distribute money to charities yet. So Katherine is way early in trying to determine charities. Dear Adam Streisand please explain your client what is a probate and how it works.
2. The most funny thing is that they file pages and pages badmouthing Branca and then say he doesn't come and visit them. Where's Homer Simpson and his "doh" when you need him? If you openly hate a person they don't come and socialize with you. It's that simple.
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
so Raymone Bain changed her tone now. Drama Drama Drama
crazy world!
so Raymone Bain changed her tone now. Drama Drama Drama
crazy world!
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
My exact thoughts also...and if Michael would of wanted this fake charity toget 1 single penny ..he would of said so...and Katherine needs to back up and start respectng her sons wishes and stop with her greedy ass.
Thank you Ivy....also my thoughts.
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so hows that working for mj? it aint
i guess katherine wants the 20% to go to the jacksons foundation for deadbeat dads!
so hows that working for mj? it aint
lol yeah exactly.
i guess katherine wants the 20% to go to the jacksons foundation for deadbeat dads!
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
Oh and Michael had a talk with Johnson? He had a talk with a woman he had to have thrown off his ranch and a woman who stalked him and his employee? Mrs Jackson I won't even began to tell you what I think of you right now
Oh and Michael had a talk with Johnson? He had a talk with a woman he had to have thrown off his ranch and a woman who stalked him and his employee? Mrs Jackson I won't even began to tell you what I think of you right now
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no to the foundation of deadbeat dads, ungrateful siblings and parents, ungrateful fellow relatives. etc etc
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Respect is surely not given but earned and this woman has done nothing to earn my respect, quiet the contrary actually, I can not repect people just because they happen to be more than half a century older than me.
I think its time to speak up against Katie's nonsense actions, she's been getting away for decades, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Respect is surely not given but earned and this woman has done nothing to earn my respect, quiet the contrary actually, I can not repect people just because they happen to be more than half a century older than me.
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yeah sounds really logical i dont think
yeah sounds really logical i dont think
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
Ok, she says this..but when your working with scum like Melissa Johnson and Howard Mann your credibility kinda goes out the window...Does she really expect people to support her? :doh:
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Ok, she says this..but when your working with scum like Melissa Johnson and Howard Mann your credibility kinda goes out the window...Does she really expect people to support her? :doh:
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Bridgett_361
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I know it was the 20 % angle HREF was after when they seek out the Jackson to do business with
the Jackson's can start a new charity foundation with michael children something without the messy history allow the children to tap into that 20% to benifited and give not to earn and make profit,
We has fans need to stand behind mj estate to help keep out those greedy ones, if not they are going to wreck mj estate and give the executor heart attack,
They don't give up it's a daily fight to keep the croock out.
Do we need to ask why mj was trying to find a new family and can't sleep?
I know it was the 20 % angle HREF was after when they seek out the Jackson to do business with
the Jackson's can start a new charity foundation with michael children something without the messy history allow the children to tap into that 20% to benifited and give not to earn and make profit,
We has fans need to stand behind mj estate to help keep out those greedy ones, if not they are going to wreck mj estate and give the executor heart attack,
They don't give up it's a daily fight to keep the croock out.
Do we need to ask why mj was trying to find a new family and can't sleep?
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Oh and a little tidbits
- Katherine talks about subpoena from Estate for Joe and Randy after meeting with HTWF. Are you surprised hearing about Randy's name?
- She also says Estate hasn't subpoenaed her. Estate is trying their best to keep her separate from everything they do.
- Trent says Katherine had to call out full names and spellings of MJ's kids to Melissa because she didn't know their names. Funny isn't it.
Oh and a little tidbits
- Katherine talks about subpoena from Estate for Joe and Randy after meeting with HTWF. Are you surprised hearing about Randy's name?
- She also says Estate hasn't subpoenaed her. Estate is trying their best to keep her separate from everything they do.
- Trent says Katherine had to call out full names and spellings of MJ's kids to Melissa because she didn't know their names. Funny isn't it.
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I am surprised about Bain's testimony. Didn't expect that from her...
I am surprised about Bain's testimony. Didn't expect that from her...
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
She said Michael never paid her when she sued him for 44 mil. Turns out he did pay her and she signed an agreement saying he did. Then she tried to file a claim saying she had not been paid for work done in 08 and she was not working for him in 08 so what she had done does not shock me
She said Michael never paid her when she sued him for 44 mil. Turns out he did pay her and she signed an agreement saying he did. Then she tried to file a claim saying she had not been paid for work done in 08 and she was not working for him in 08 so what she had done does not shock me
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Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011
this is very interesting, but i doubt MJ knew what Johnsons intentions was back then.......
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
There are some issues with her testimony
first of all she says she was hired as spokesperson in 2003 and COO of MJJCompany in 2006 and that she was never terminated from either position. - But she did got terminated. Did she forgot her own lawsuit against MJ?
secondly she claims that Michael didn't want to focus his attention to the charity and dedicate his "full attention" to his trial and then comeback, recording, film etc. - Doesn't that sound like he gave up his 1991 charity?
thirdly she says he said he would not be responsible for any legal fees or financial obligations. - Again doesn't it sound like he didn't care for it?
Fourth she says if he was asked for any money for legal fees or financial obligations and the name of the charity was tarnished he would ask it to be shut down immediately.
See there's nothing that can stop a person having a charity named "Heal the World" , there's actually several other charities with the same or similar names. The estate isn't trying to close the charity either, they are only trying to stop the use of Michael's name, image, likeliness and trademarks.
Even if you go with what Raymone Bain said it sounds similar to what Estate wants to do. "If you want to run a charity named "Heal The World" fine but don't expect anything from me and I won't be paying it any attention whatsoever". By Raymone Bain's statement it's obvious that Michael separated himself from HTWF as he wasn't giving it any of his attention and financial support.
There are some issues with her testimony
first of all she says she was hired as spokesperson in 2003 and COO of MJJCompany in 2006 and that she was never terminated from either position. - But she did got terminated. Did she forgot her own lawsuit against MJ?
secondly she claims that Michael didn't want to focus his attention to the charity and dedicate his "full attention" to his trial and then comeback, recording, film etc. - Doesn't that sound like he gave up his 1991 charity?
thirdly she says he said he would not be responsible for any legal fees or financial obligations. - Again doesn't it sound like he didn't care for it?
Fourth she says if he was asked for any money for legal fees or financial obligations and the name of the charity was tarnished he would ask it to be shut down immediately.
See there's nothing that can stop a person having a charity named "Heal the World" , there's actually several other charities with the same or similar names. The estate isn't trying to close the charity either, they are only trying to stop the use of Michael's name, image, likeliness and trademarks.
Even if you go with what Raymone Bain said it sounds similar to what Estate wants to do. "If you want to run a charity named "Heal The World" fine but don't expect anything from me and I won't be paying it any attention whatsoever". By Raymone Bain's statement it's obvious that Michael separated himself from HTWF as he wasn't giving it any of his attention and financial support.
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I really hope that fans who gave money to this fake-porn-charities will sue these people the porn producer Mann, the crazy stalker Melissa Johnson and Katherine and Joe Jackson.
If they see that fans of the King sue them, they will be upset, and I will be happy to see that.
I really hope that fans who gave money to this fake-porn-charities will sue these people the porn producer Mann, the crazy stalker Melissa Johnson and Katherine and Joe Jackson.
If they see that fans of the King sue them, they will be upset, and I will be happy to see that.
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF
Not at all surprised.
I think after Randy had his twitter breakdown about his parents being exploited and yada yada yada...Mann offered him a piece fo the pie in exchange for his silence & support.
This latest filing, signed by Katherine, has Randall & Howard Mann all over it.
I will not support the Jackons...EVER.
Once they realized Katherine has gone through all the goodwill MJ fans had given her before and after his passing, they will use the kids against the estate. Because as of now, the kids are the only link to MJ that most fans will support wholeheartedly.
Re: Bain's statement...where is MJ's signature authorizing Melissa Johnson to take over? MJ wasn't stupid...anyone can come out to state he told them this or that... (Jermaine has done it against Alejandra, his mother is doing it against Branca and now Bain is doing it for Melissa Johnson). If MJ did authorize the take over..why did it take 5 years to do it...and most importantly, WHERE ARE THE SIGNED DOCUMENTS for MJ?
Not at all surprised.
I think after Randy had his twitter breakdown about his parents being exploited and yada yada yada...Mann offered him a piece fo the pie in exchange for his silence & support.
This latest filing, signed by Katherine, has Randall & Howard Mann all over it.
I will not support the Jackons...EVER.
Once they realized Katherine has gone through all the goodwill MJ fans had given her before and after his passing, they will use the kids against the estate. Because as of now, the kids are the only link to MJ that most fans will support wholeheartedly.
Re: Bain's statement...where is MJ's signature authorizing Melissa Johnson to take over? MJ wasn't stupid...anyone can come out to state he told them this or that... (Jermaine has done it against Alejandra, his mother is doing it against Branca and now Bain is doing it for Melissa Johnson). If MJ did authorize the take over..why did it take 5 years to do it...and most importantly, WHERE ARE THE SIGNED DOCUMENTS for MJ?
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Gonna be lot of Jacksons in jail or in trial for their shit. Don't pay the pensions, do fake charities with porn producers and vultures, stalkers, put the names of 3 young kids on shit contracts...
Can't believe Michael has the same blood.Impossible when you see all these people, all their shit business...Impossible that Mike has the same blood.
Gonna be lot of Jacksons in jail or in trial for their shit. Don't pay the pensions, do fake charities with porn producers and vultures, stalkers, put the names of 3 young kids on shit contracts...
Can't believe Michael has the same blood.Impossible when you see all these people, all their shit business...Impossible that Mike has the same blood.