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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    Nearly 18 mos after being unmasked to the world, Paris told Oprah that she did not like the masking but she understood the necessity of it. Michael had very specific purposes for preventing them from being identifiable. Many other stars whom do not mask their children have firstly: never seen the levels of celebrity as Michael has; and secondly: have never experienced such levels of celebrity as children. I believe that if Michael was still with them, he would be doing what he could to convince them that it still isn't time yet to reveal their faces, simply because of what he understood would be the consequences for it, that perhaps they are not ready to encounter. Some argue that this celebrity became their birthright the minute Michael decided to have them and that they need to learn to deal with it, but I think Michael's intentions of guarding them from it went further than just wanting them to be able to walk the streets without him un-noticed. I think he further understood the blisters their hearts and emotions would take from tabloid, and even mainstream media, that was unnecessary before they were emotionally mature enough to handle it well. And how adversely it could affect their development. As we see now, the papz are following them everywhere and even Prince's girlfriend takes verbal, unnecessary beatings from jealous teens on the internet every time a pic of her with Prince turns up somewhere. The selfishness of many MJ3 fansites I am familiar with treat the issue of their birthright celebrity with so much irresponsibility, and disrespect for Michael's wishes, just as if we are watching Michael's life in the tabloids unfold all over again.

    Just like any other fan who loves and respects Michael, I want to know that the children are growing up happy and healthy and to see that they are well taken care of. But more than that, I want to know that good decisions are being made on behalf of these children. Decisions that are driven by their need for protection, and not by the value of their celebrity. That they are guarded and protected as Michael would have done it, and consistently did it up to the date of his death. He gave us no indications that he intended for that to change, for a while. I do not understand why that has not been respected by the family.

    And in my questioning, I have to recognize that none of Katherine's other children saw the level of celebrity as Michael did ....and only after he was out from under her wing (an adult). Does she really understand the consequences of that level? And are the kids being told that if they want celebrity careers then early exposure is the way to go to be successful?? Did Michael ever have the chance to explain to them, as he said he would, what they should expect if they chose such careers, before letting them go??? Have they been served to the public, as fresh Jackson sirloin, for the benefit of serving the monetary value of the Dynasty??? I know some of my questions sound bitter, and some may take them as disrespectful to the family, but these are honest and sincere questions as we see the consequences occuring in these children's lives for having been exposed like this. I mean no disrespect.

    We have to be the "Man in the Mirror" about this issue and understand that if we continue chasing down photos of these children, we exaserbate the very issues that they will face before emotionally prepared to do so. As they get older, the press will only take more freedom in their reporting. And who knows what they are willing to say. The long term consequences to them could be unnecessarily disasterous. Out of love for them, I wish it could all be stopped. Unfortunately, decisions have been made for them already, that now, seem impossible to reverse since July 7, 2009. And for that, I am very sad.
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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    I don't see why we can't see the pics of the kids, I have no problem with that. I voted "Yes" anyways, I mean Prince and Paris are teenagers now. If you guys got a problem with that, it's fine. But I respectfully wanna see pics and talk about the kids as much as I like too.

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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    Yes.

    In my opinion, if we don't see recent pictures of Prince, Paris and Blanket here, many of us will visit tabloid sites such as TMZ to see them. That will then give the tabloids more money. Would Michael want that?

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    I voted no. Official pictures like the Grammy thing as mentioned fine, but I don't think we need to see pics of them every minute. I don't think we should encourage that.
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    The kids seem happy enough being out in public. In a lot of pictures you see them smiling at the cameras and giving the peace sign (especially Paris), so I really don't think it bothers them at all.

    The thing is, we never gave it a second thought viewing paparazzi pics of Michael while he was alive, even though it wasn't necessarily what Michael would have wanted. This included pictures of him with his children wearing the masks. If it was okay to post those pictures back then, then why not the pictures of them now??

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    I voted no. I feel that we need to stay with the current policy: no pictures unless they make an official, public appearance. To be honest, one thing I strongly dislike about some other MJ sites and boards is the fact that they include photographs and discussions on the children. I feel that the rule we had in place elevated this site above the others because it was in respect to Michael's specific wishes. They do not have careers of their own, and they are still minors. Allowing all these photographs and discussions on them opens them up to unnecessary and invasive comments and remarks.

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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    public photos yes pap photos no

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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    i have to say the latest pap pics of the kids have unnerved me greatly interms of their protection and the intrusion they face and the fact there seems to be no one around to protect them anymore
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    I would say if they are paparazzi photos, then no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    i have to say the latest pap pics of the kids have unnerved me greatly interms of their protection and the intrusion they face and the fact there seems to be no one around to protect them anymore
    I'm sooooooo with you on this ^

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    [QUOTE=The thing is, we never gave it a second thought viewing paparazzi pics of Michael while he was alive, even though it wasn't necessarily what Michael would have wanted. This included pictures of him with his children wearing the masks. If it was okay to post those pictures back then, then why not the pictures of them now??[/QUOTE]

    Can I just say that we can all see the kids are adapting to being photographed in their every move. But I see this as just more Joe Jackson philosophy that even bad press is better than no press at all. It worked for Michael up to the point that he became so powerful in his celebrity that it all came back in and very SERIOUSLY bit him in the butt ..... over and over again. It appears that the family chooses not to learn some lessons about this new world we live in, in contrast to the 60s & 70s.

    Further, I believe that we only knew Michael was out and about when Michael wanted it seen. Meaning that he was a master of disguise and moved around at times, and in ways, according to when he wanted to be seen, and when not. Like many celebrities, some papz are put on alert by that celebrity's PR people when a celebrity wants to be seen. Word has it that Michael was no different. So the pap pics we all viewed were basically set up by Michael. These children are fully exposed, even coming and going from school each day. Michael never let it be that way for himself, and certainly not for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarinJade View Post
    I voted no. I feel that we need to stay with the current policy: no pictures unless they make an official, public appearance. To be honest, one thing I strongly dislike about some other MJ sites and boards is the fact that they include photographs and discussions on the children. I feel that the rule we had in place elevated this site above the others because it was in respect to Michael's specific wishes. They do not have careers of their own, and they are still minors. Allowing all these photographs and discussions on them opens them up to unnecessary and invasive comments and remarks.
    Oh so true!

    Is it time to consider changing the scope of MJJC? It is " The Official Michael Jackson Fan Club Forum". Will this include his children as extensions of Michael?
    Of course we all have affection and interest and concern about the children. But they are not him. Are we at risk of using them to replace Michael?

    Posting photos from official functions is very different from posting photos taken by the paparazzi. And I shudder to think of any 'unintrusive' photographer using long range lenses to spy on them. It is too frightening to consider. When Michael was growing up, times were different, people were different. Times were more innocent, at least, they seemed that way. Things are speculated openly now that would have been unthinkable then.

    "Should we be free to discuss them and watch them grow?"
    Well what will happen the first time one of them does something some of us disagree with? Or if they don't exhibit the brilliance of their marvelous father? Will we be disappointed? Will things be said that shouldn't be? If we allow paparazzi photos and discussions of the children as they mature how are we any better than the medialoids we dispise? We are no better because we will be encouraging them. It feels, in some way, as the ultimate betrayal of Michael.
    I think that allowing non official photos and discussions, etc., will eventually open up a Pandora's box.
    No, I vote against whole idea.

    If there are already fan sites for the children, then it shouldn't be hard to follow them there, if one must.

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    I vote Yes, they are teenagers now and will be more and more active. So we can not avoid seeing them on the internet anyway. As long as they are positive and respectful , I see nothing wrong of posting them here.

    The forum needs more MJ or MJ-related news anyway!

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    I voted yes. Why not?

    I don't think this community is at the risk of looking to his children as new replicas of our beloved Michael. I don't think this community is at the risk of talking "too much" about them. As far as I know, I haven't seen any obsessed PP&B fans on here. And if they do come along, our rules should follow through and remember we are still MJJC and not PPBJC.

    I am for professional pictures taken during professional and planned appearances. I am NOT for the random media pictures like TMZ and the like. I respect and adore Prince Paris and Blanket, but just like their father Michael, I didn't care too much for the public shots taken outside restaurants, store windows and sidewalks. I would be all for the rule of allowing professional pictures and videos to be shown and discussed and not the scummier pictures taken at random.

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    Default Re: The Great Debate - MJ3

    No I don't think MJJC should change their policy regarding discussing Michael's children. I understand that members are interested in what they are up to, I admit to looking online myself from time to time (I don't ever come across photos of them because I don't buy the magazines or newspapers) but with there being fansites to his children out there I don't think we need to join in.Yes it will make members go elsewhere and boost their number of hits but I really don't like the idea of their young lives being up for discussion here.

    Public appearances/events they are doing like the grammys when it is obvious they want to be photographed, yes those photos should be allowed here and discussion. Papz photos of them coming out of school, no and no discussion. They are children at the end of the day and should be able to go through school life without everyone judging their every move.
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