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    Quote Originally Posted by MsCassieMollie View Post
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    @junky4justice BG's PR person told me too bg's not following trial. She left them with Garcia a year ago because of the change in book tone


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    Default Re: Michael Jackson's bodyguards speak out, defend Murray

    it seems that there are some fans who support the bodyguards' argument. this blog article is a reaction to that. very long, but worth the read.

    MJ “Fans” Who Support Murray?
    by Raven

    A Disturbing Trend of Support For Murray From Some MJ Fans? It Seems To Come Back To This Arguement: Was Murray Michael's Friend-Or His Killer? Or Both?

    In the last few days I’ve noticed a disturbing trend. A relatively small-but seemingly growing-percentage of people who call themselves Michael Jackson “fans” seem to be in support of Murray’s acquittal. Note the quotes around the word “fans.” I’m having a personally hard time getting my hands around this.

    But I think a lot of it may have to do with recent comments from former MJ bodyguards Javon Beard and Bill Whitfield.

    To paraphrase some of what Beard and Whitfield have said, they basically feel that Michael wouldn’t have wanted Murray to be on trial, would not want him charged in his death, and certainly would not like the private details of his life being made into a public spectacle (this last part I agree with, but as I’ve acknowledged myself here, it’s part of the price for justice in this case). They contend that Murray was a good guy, a friend whom Michael obviously trusted. They also cotend that Murray would not have killed “his paycheck.” This I don’t get, since Murray isn’t being charged with murder, but rather involuntary manslaughter. Translation: No, he didn’t INTEND to kill his paycheck. But he did.

    Anyway, here is a very big problem. Once you have MJ “insiders” coming forth with this kind of talk, it creates a sheep effect. You will have fans who actually agree that, indeed, this must have been how Michael felt. This is the sort of thing that also leads to division within the fan base, which has already happened far too many times.

    Well, let’s put this in perspective. It’s also irritatingly “sheep”-like when we allow ourselves to get caught up in this view that we are supposed to just automatically and blindly go along with anything we believe Michael would have thought-let alone when it’s only someone telling us what he thought. The only person who really knows what Michael Jackson thought-or would think now-is Michael Jackson. And he’s not here to tell us.

    Michael probably did think very highly of Murray and perhaps even considered him a friend. That’s why the guy had his $150,000 -a-month position in the first place. But the idea of Murray as Michael’s trusted “friend” goes right smack to the heart of this whole case, which is what the prosecution has argued all along: Murray violated the sacred doctor/patient relationship when he allowed himself to cross that boundary and become a “friend.” And even the word “friend” I use loosely because, frankly, I’m not in any way convinced that Murray was a friend to Michael, though I’m sure he did a good job of convincing Michael that he was his friend.

    Before We Get Too Caught Up In This Idea of Murray As "Sacrificial Lamb" Let's Re-Examine The Facts

    I think where a lot of this is stemming from is the notion of conspiracy theories and the knowledge that Murray is not “the whole picture,” that the culpability for Michael Jackson’s death goes far beyond just Murray. There are some who sincerely believe that Murray is just a sacrifical lamb, being sent to slaughter for all of the other accountable vultures and enablers in Michael’s life. Aphrodite Jones wrote a great blog on just that topic for Investigation Discovery:

    http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...cial-lamb.html

    This is something I have never disputed. I even said that I agree with Chernoff’s closing statement that Murray was simply a “little fish in a big, dirty pond.” And, yes, I do feel bad in a way that this one man is being made the scapegoat when there are a lot of others accountable as well. But we have to remember what this charge is really all about. It is about who/what led directly to Michael’s death on the morning of June 25th, 2009. Not who or what may have led him up to that morning.

    As I’ve said before, accountability has to begin somewhere! In an ideal situation, every single doctor who ever prescribed drugs that he/she knew Michael didn’t need; every single shady character and leech surrounding him who enabled, or turned a blind eye when they knew he needed help, or who may have plotted against him or undermined his health and well being, or who added to the stress that exacerbated his insomnia, etc etc etc, would be on trial. But we all know this is not an ideal world, and it’s not going to happen.

    So is it fair to make this one man, Conrad Murray, the so called sacrifical lamb? This is what the bodygurads seem to be questioning. But questioning whether this is fair is a flawed arguement that I fear some fans are starting to buy into. Before you allow yourself to get snared in this line of thinking, consider a few things:

    Dr. Steven Shaffer expertly outlined no less than 17 egregious violations of the standard of care in regards to Murray’s “treatment” of Michael Jackson. By now, we know most of them by rote, but let’s have a little memory lesson here. We know as fact-not rumor or hearsay, but as fact-that Murray:

    Voluntarily administered propofol-a dangerous anesthetic-in a home setting

    Did not bother to use the proper monitoring equipment

    Abandoned his patient

    Was on the phone, texting, and sending emails for over 45 minutes

    Delayed calling 911 (for what purpose, whether to hide evidence or what, we can only speculate)

    Failed to perform basic CPR

    Lied to paramedics about what he had given Michael, at a crucial time when this knowledge might have made a difference in life or death

    Lied to medical staff at UCLA

    And these are just the basic eight violations that were most glaringly egregious; it does not even include the many more technical violations of the standard of care that were violated.

    Now, you can look at any one of those violations and make the arguement: But for this, Michael Jackson might still be alive!

    This is what we have to keep in mind before we get too caught up in “sacrificial lamb” theories. Murray may have been Michael’s friend; he might even be a good guy but for making some very stupid, blundering mistakes on the morning of June 25th, and maybe trying too hard to keep his employer happy. But none of this absolves his guilt. Sacrifical lamb or not, the above violations of the standard of care are not disputable. They are fact. Those “blundering mistakes” cost MJ his life.

    Murray may well be just a little fish in a big, dirty pond, but this goes back to what I said here a few days ago: Let’s not forget, he’s still one of the fish. And he is the fish whose irresponsible actions led directly to Michael’s death.

    Accountability has to begin somewhere. If not Murray-the man directly responsible-then who?

    To adress a few other issues and misguided myths head on:

    That Murray Was Michael’s Friend, And He Wouldn’t Want His Friend On Trial:

    Yes, well let’s not forget that whatever Michael thought of Conrad Murray, it would be what he thought of him up to and UNTIL the morning of June 25th, 2009. If Michael could communicate with us now-with the ability of hindsight from the grave-would he still feel the same way about the man who has taken him away from his children, his family, his fans, his comeback, his dreams for the future? We all know Michael had a very forgiving heart, so who knows what he might say, but I honestly think if death provides 20/20 hindsight and he is aware of all the details we know now, he just might feel very differently towards his former friend.

    That Michael Wouldn’t Be Happy About Having The Private Details Of His Life Paraded On Trial:

    Well, no one is arguing that. Just as I’m sure he wasn’t happy to have every detail of his private life made public in 1993, or 2005. He wouldn’t be happy about this trial taking place, but I’m sure he also isn’t happy to be dead. Michael was an intensely private man, but the paradox is that he was also a public figure, and one of the most intensely scrutinized public figures of all time. There were many, MANY things Michael was not happy about being made public over the course of his career. Even now, I blush at some of the details I know that, quite frankly, I probably shouldn’t. Michael would not have been happy for us to know what kind of porn he read, or what he used to treat his vitiligo, or that his penis was uncircumsiced and splotchy. He wouldn’t have wanted us to know that he liked his wine and occasional whisky, or even that he was a bit of a hoarder and messy packrat (something Michael and I nevertheless share in common, haha). For that matter, I’m sure Michael wouldn’t have exactly been thrilled with Beard and Whitfield going public on Good Morning, America about his having romantic trysts in the back of the limo, or having tantrums and throwing cell phones out the window! No, there are a lot of things Michael wouldn’t want us to know but have nevertheless become common, public knowledge. It’s sad that his life and privacy were violated so often and in so many ways. But it is what it is. This is exactly what I meant when I said that justice for Michael will not come without scars. No one ever said it wouldn’t involve some pain, discomfort, and sacrifice. But what is the alternative? No justice at all? Where do we make that stand, and say, okay, it may involve taking some lumps, but we need to do that because a death has occurred that didn’t need to happen? Nothing could have been more painful; more degrading; more humiliating; more downright dehumanizing than what was done to Michael’s private life during that circus of a trial in 2005. I honestly think if Michael was here, he would say, “I survived a lot worse than this.” Of course, the ideal situation would have been for Murray to just plead guilty and save all the trouble and heartache. But no, that would have been too easy.

    That Michael Trusted Conrad Murray:

    Yes, well Michael trusted a lot of people. That was part of his problem. He also trusted Martin Bashir, Evan Chandler, the Arvizos, Schmuley Boteach, and a lot of others he should never have trusted. In fact, looking at the long list of people Michael “trusted” in his life should be evidence enough to shoot that arguement down in flames.

    If Michael Could Speak Now, I'm Sure He'd Tell Us Plenty About The People He "Trusted."

    I just had to say this because I am personally appalled that there are people who call themselves fans that are actively supporting Murray’s acquittal. It is disturbing on so many levels. If you’re a fan who thinks Murray should be acquitted, even despite his actions that we know he committed-what are you saying? That it’s all okay; all is forgiven? Conrad Murray never once played it straight with us; he never played it straight to Michael’s family, to the paramedics working feverishly to save him, or to anybody. What do we owe this man now? Seriously.

    Well, maybe this is a good time to share a dream I had awhile back. I dreamed that Murray was acquitted. In the wake of his acquittal, he started touring the country, performing MJ songs. Yes, that’s right. In my dream, Murray could no longer make a living as a doctor, so he was touring as a Michael Jackson tribute artist! (Go figure, lol). But the most disturbing part of the dream was this: There were fans actually buying tickets to his shows, and cheering him.

    When I woke up, my immediate thought was, Thank God, that was just a dream! A silly nightmare that would NEVER happen in real life.

    Now I’m starting to wonder.

    ETA: I do want to stress that this seems to be only a very small minority of fans, but it’s just something that I felt very strongly about after having seen Whitfield’s and Beard’s comments, and some fan comments in support of their position. This is a time when we all need to come together, put aside all other disputes, and pray for justice. I realize a conviction for Murray is only a kind of partial justice, but we still need very much to be united on this front. Remember what we’ve learned and what has been testified these past six weeks: Murray bears responsibility in this, and he deserves a conviction.

    http://www.allforloveblog.com/?p=5228

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    Default Re: Michael Jackson's bodyguards speak out, defend Murray

    Quote Originally Posted by cinzia View Post
    Nobody held a gun to their heads and made them give an interview. They could have just said 'no'...(where have we heard that before...hmm)
    Now they are trying to back pedal and really, they should just shut up. The damage is done.
    As I said. A combined IQ in the double digits...

    And what's with people wearing sunglasses all the time ? Indoors, night time, giving interviews. Really, I hate that. Why don't they want to show us their eyes?
    That's because since Michael died more people try to be him, like Jermaine with his jackets and sunglasses, Randy, body guards.

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    Nancy Grace is calling herself Michael's friend? oookaaay.


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    ^^ I wonder when her book is gonna come out then since it seems to be the thing to do among Michael's "friends".

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    MJs Bodyguards
    How can you judge someone you've never met? MJ was judged by those that never shook his hand.
    27 minutes ago via mobile

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    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    MJ was a victim of his own success, he once stated "I just want to drive myself to the store and get some Icecream"
    15 Nov

    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    If you seen MJ would you just wave hello and allow him his personal space. He loved his fans but he was also afraid.
    13 Nov


    tears4M Truth Seeker
    @MJBODYGUARDS Why u haven't talk there about the greedy industry/lawyers/managers/Sony/AEG FK Live's moguls?!
    5 Nov
    in reply to ↑

    @MJBODYGUARDS
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    @tears4M oh we have much to say about that!
    9 Nov via Twitter for iPhone
    VivianaMJfan V_MichαΞlJαcksoη

    @MJBODYGUARDS please make a self-criticism. Don´t deny/change what you said. How can´t you realize you´re wrong?
    9 Nov
    in reply to ↑

    @MJBODYGUARDS
    B&J
    @VivianaMJfan our perspective is just different. You see things as a fan, we see things are friends and employees of MJ. Respect!
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    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    @divyabelle We NEVER defended DM, If you don't intend to support book that's your choice, but as a fan of MJ you will certainly miss out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsCassieMollie View Post
    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    MJ was a victim of his own success, he once stated "I just want to drive myself to the store and get some Icecream"
    15 Nov

    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    If you seen MJ would you just wave hello and allow him his personal space. He loved his fans but he was also afraid.
    13 Nov


    tears4M Truth Seeker
    @MJBODYGUARDS Why u haven't talk there about the greedy industry/lawyers/managers/Sony/AEG FK Live's moguls?!
    5 Nov
    in reply to ↑

    @MJBODYGUARDS
    B&J
    @tears4M oh we have much to say about that!
    9 Nov via Twitter for iPhone
    VivianaMJfan V_MichαΞlJαcksoη

    @MJBODYGUARDS please make a self-criticism. Don´t deny/change what you said. How can´t you realize you´re wrong?
    9 Nov
    in reply to ↑

    @MJBODYGUARDS
    B&J
    @VivianaMJfan our perspective is just different. You see things as a fan, we see things are friends and employees of MJ. Respect!
    9 Nov via Twitter for iPhone


    MJBODYGUARDS B&J
    @divyabelle We NEVER defended DM, If you don't intend to support book that's your choice, but as a fan of MJ you will certainly miss out.
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    Remember that one ?!

    IncFilmix ‏@IncFilmix 3 Apr
    Any idea when this book of yours will be finished please? @MJBODYGUARDS

    B&J B&J ‏@MJBODYGUARDS 4 Apr
    @IncFilmix box is being edited....soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMie View Post
    Nancy Grace is calling herself Michael's friend? oookaaay.
    OMG that is the most funniest thing i have ever heard her say ever!! :toofunny:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsCassieMollie View Post
    MJs Bodyguards
    How can you judge someone you've never met? MJ was judged by those that never shook his hand.
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    Thats funny cuz hi9s ex bodyguard is now saying that michael just dropped his pants infront of staff and make it sound like mj was crazy......obviously this bodygaurd doesnt know the meaning of hypocrite

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    man·slaugh·ter

    [man-slaw-ter] noun 1. Law. the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. -------Many people are sitting and have sat in jail convicted of manslaughter against their one time friend. Some fired off a gun and mistakenly killed someone, some have run over someone with their car or had a drunken car accident. There are many examples of friends killing friends. Yes, Michael was often a soft touch who would not let people deal with the repercussions of their wrong doings. He should have sued the hell out of Pepsi and the production company for the burns he received during the commercial. He should have had every shyster that ripped him off criminally charged.

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    I do not believe for one second that Murray was Michael's friend. He is crazy and delusional and the only time they had friend-to-friend chats was probably when he had him under the influence and kindly recorded what Michael was saying for future reference...

    Yes, Michael was a very forgiving person, but just imagine Murray killed someone close to Michael under the same circumstances. I have no doubt that he would want justice. As far as I recall, he did not object when 3T filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Bohana...

    And in a case like that, I think it is not only about locking somebody up, but also to get answers, to get closure! I am sure he wanted everyone to have that.

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