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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    P.S adding the girl to the case in the first place just seemed to be a way to create more negative headlines in the media, and perhaps their intention was to pressurise the MJ Estate into settling the case but it was a naive tactic IMO. The MJ Estate already had years of negative stories about Robson and Safechuck and they didn't settle. An anonymous girl was not going to make much difference IMO.
    As somebody else pointed out they never even bothered to give her a proper narrative that made sense to anybody with any true knowledge in the case. They were never going to fool any judge, so their only targets must have been the media and the rabid trolls who will believe anything. The 'evidence' presented for her didn't support the narrative they created for Robson and Safechuck (in fact her story contradicts the Modus Operandi they created for MJ), nor did it actually demonstrate her claims were true. It was weak click bait for the media. That's all.

    It continues to trouble me how easy it is for an individual to hold a celebrity (or any person) up to ransom, how many chances they are given to get their story straight, and how long the legal system allows the farce to continue, all the while damaging a person's reputation. Not only that but the media's non-existent morality and weak legal restrictions favour the 'victim' over the accused with no regards as to whether there really is a crime to answer. 'Innocent until proven guilty' simply does not exist in the media. This is encouraged because the legal system does not protect the anonymity of the accused at all. The law allows people to be treated as though they're guilty even though they have not been convicted of a crime, and may NEVER be if accusations are found to be baseless. It's decades to late for MJ but I hope in the future the law will be changed to protect both sides....until the true victim can be established in a court of law, whether it be the accused or the accuser.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    I imagine haters won't be too sad to lose her - after all she only disturbed their fantasies about the "boylover" narrative. On the other hand, the damage is already done to their case by her. They have two options:

    1) Either they say they believe her nevertheless but then it does upset the narrative that they were spouting before about MJ being obsessed with boys and hating girls etc.

    2) Or they say they don't believe her (and I have seen scepticism of her on their part - I am sure because she is a female) but then she has more notes written to her than any other accuser and all those notes and checks show that MJ did befriend and mentor girls unlike what they claimed. And if they don't believe her then that means they will have to acknowledge that those checks and notes mean nothing, they don't prove MJ molested her. And like I said, she has more of those than all of MJ's male accusers put together. So again it only shows that MJ befriended BOTH girls and boys and that it was not a sexual interest. That notes were simple kindness on his part, not anything inappropriate. It is also funny how none of the boys were paid supposed "hush money" but she would be the only one who was? Again if they don't believe her they would have to acknowledge that they still have nothing to prove their myth about MJ paying secret "hush money" to people left and right.

    So either way the damage is done to their case by Jane Doe. It doesn't fit their previous narrative either way. Maybe that's one of the reasons Finaldi found it better to drop it - that he realized meanwhile this weakens their case more than it strentgtens it. I think they took her in the first place to 1) boost the number of their alleged "victims" and put pressure on the Estate, 2) because she has those notes and more importantly checks that they could point to as "hush money" and more than anything else they wanted to use that in support of the Robson/Safechuck case. They needed something previous to point to to be able to say the companies had "a reason to know". So I feel they wanted to use Doe for that. Take her checks and claim that the companies paid her "hush money" and MJ's people at the companies knew about these payments and they knew what they were for so they had a "reason to know". Of course BS, because those checks do not prove that they were hush money payments and wouldn't indicate that to anyone who saw them either, but I felt this was what they tried to use Jane Doe for. It was a lame attempt anyway.

    I also think it is relevant that she was hidden all along. It had no good reason. If Robson and Safechuck can walk around freely then she isn't in any kind of danger either. I am sure it was only a matter of time before the Judge would have ordered the revealing of her identity. I am somehow not surprised they did not let the case get that far. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the plan all along. I wonder if she was revealed even people who are close to her (friends, family) would come out to refute her. People who have knowledge about what those checks were really for etc.

    ETA: Oh and remember that Finaldi filed this case to the wrong court initially? That's why it took so long to get to this stage where the first substantial hearing would finally take place. I wonder now if that was deliberate because the intent with Jane Doe was never to get to the substantial hearing phase as possibly it would expose her badly. It was only to be able to point to her as "another victim" to boost the number, to try to scare the Estate into a settlement, to dangle the "new sensation" in the hope that it would inspire more people to make allegations etc. For that purpose they had to drag it on as long as they could without revealing her identity. So I wonder if filing it at the wrong court was a deliberate part of that strategy.

    And they never bothered to create a deteailed narrative for her allegations. That too is telling me it was never the intention to get this to a substantial stage of a court process. It was all huff and puff to scare the Estate into a settlement, to try to seduce other people jump on the bandwagon and a lame attempt at trying to create a "reason to know" scenario for the Safechuck/Robson cases.

    I wonder how they will officially communicate it (if they will at all). My guess: "Those evil MJ fans scared her into stepping back." LOL.


    Why are we giving them answers and ideas they can use of their case??? please guys stop that! it wouldnt surprise me if they are looking this forum and getting ideas and using them for their disgusting case

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    ^^^

    This occured to me too. Not just this case but others too. This is the internet and this is an open forum. When we discuss weaknesses with the cases here we also expose those weaknesses to Finaldi and co. I'm not sure we really want to do that.

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    To me all this does is muddy the waters further and alienate the public and media from even caring anymore.

    If anything I'm suspicious her presence in this saga is closely connected to the Robson hooplahdeedoodoo.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    I believed she, as well as Safejunk were brought up only to support Wade's case and create salacious headlines in order to try quick settlement.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    At the very least the Estate should find out what those checks were all about and if they know not keep those facts for themselves.
    I know this is a demurrer but I still I find it odd that they used this defense only and didn't mention at least in a footnote what
    the money was really for. They only argued even if it was compensation for sexual abuse MJJ Venture still couldn't be held liable
    for the actions of the abuser.

    Third parties make voluntary payments on behalf of tortfeasors all the time.
    Yeah but MJ was not a tortfeasor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    I wonder if a member of MJ's staff, or a family member or friend of this girl identified her from the notes and photo, and has contacted the Estate with the true story? (I don't know if her atty's would be told if this had happened?)
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too. Plus she also added a letter from law enforcement back in 93. It looks like she was interviewed. So her name should also be in the 93 police reports - which Estate most probably has as well.

    And this (below v) is very strange indeed....almost unheard of, in MJ's case, I think.
    wait for it. this is quite new and there isn't much details to report. And media is kinda slow. It routinely happened. For example we saw the motion to compel, got it , wrote about and it took us a week. only after I wrote about it media wrote about it. so it wouldn't surprise me if they took a few weeks to report it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too.

    Didn't they have to submit the exhibits without the names blacked out? And if they submitted those in court
    didn't they have to serve the same unredacted version to the Estate?
    They blacked out the names in the PDF file they published in the media but can they do that
    in an actual court document?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    I'm interested in the timing of this request for dismissal. Is it possible that the judge had already indicated to her attys. that he would be asking for her to be identified? If not, withdrawing the case now looks very 'weak'. At least waiting for an order to remove anonymity would seem like a 'good' reason to withdraw the case.
    I don't think the Judge indicated anything yet (there wasn't yet any official hearing, nor a motion about the revealing of her identity). But the Estate did indicate that they reserve the right to ask to lift her anonymity. I am sure that would have come sooner or later and I think Finaldi knew that too. There is no reason to keep her identity hidden. I don't think there was ever any illusion that she can go through a full process without revealing her identity. I think simply there was never an intent to go through a full process with her. Everything points to that. The fact that they unreasonably hid her identity (while at the same time they did try to use the case for publicity - see Finaldi's press release, release of the notes and checks etc when they filed) is one indication, another is the fact that they never bothered to even build a detailed narrative with her. The actual allegations in her complaint are only one paragraph and as general as they can be. No specific dates, circumstances, nothing like that are given there. Also the fact that Finaldi filed it to the wrong court (which now I think was deliberate to drag the life-span of this case a little). All this is telling me this was a strategical case all along with no intention to ever really testing it in a court process.

    As for why now? Simple. The first substabtial hearing was set for May 31. I can't say I am suprised that she stepped back before that happened.

    The only other reason I can think of for withdrawal now is if she has had a 'better offer' (for an exclusive story) eg from tabloid press or a book publisher, which would have a more certain payment at the end of it.
    Not necessarily. She might have simply gone for a slim chance of maybe the Estate throwing her a settlement. Or maybe the lawyers made her think it was not a slim chance. Or maybe she is so problematic that it was never an option to reveal her (something that I tend to believe). Or there are also other possibilities: suddenly her conscience got the better of her. Or the lawyers found such huge problems with her that they were the ones who told her it was better to quit now. There can be many variations.


    Quote Originally Posted by 8701girl View Post
    Why are we giving them answers and ideas they can use of their case???
    Do we really want to reduce the discussion here to the level of "Wade sucks" comments and the like so that we won't give them any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too. Plus she also added a letter from law enforcement back in 93. It looks like she was interviewed. So her name should also be in the 93 police reports - which Estate most probably has as well.
    I was thinking that she must have had reasonable cause to risk that the Estate would not be able to access records of the payments to her, and also the reason for these payments. If the Estate could immediately show what her payments were for (ie some legitimate reason), then her case becomes pretty much void (well, at least it loses the most potentially compelling 'evidence').
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    Yeah, again I think she was used mainly to drum up some bad press. Like the Radar child porn story or the "child sex ring" story. They found someone who was willing to say that legit notes and checks were for nefarious purposes. It's all too weak for court and the story went nowhere.

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    I don't think there was ever any illusion that she can go through a full process without revealing her identity.
    Some do though. The sexual abuse cases at the universities, even the gymnast case these lawyers involved. They are all Jane Doe's and media doesn't name them or show their pictures even through the trial phase. Stanford victim is one of the most recent examples. She went though whole process under Jane Doe or Emily Doe name. They even protected her relatives and referred to her sister as Tiffany Doe.

    So while obviously Estate would know her identity, she might have believed she can go through a whole process anonymously.
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    I hope the estate is compiling a list of all the projects Robson has been doing since he "cannot work in the entertainment field anymore".

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    He also, despite being 'unable to continue directing in any manner or capacity whatsoever', directed another music video that released a couple of days back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    Some do though. The sexual abuse cases at the universities, even the gymnast case these lawyers involved. They are all Jane Doe's and media doesn't name them or show their pictures even through the trial phase. Stanford victim is one of the most recent examples. She went though whole process under Jane Doe or Emily Doe name. They even protected her relatives and referred to her sister as Tiffany Doe.

    So while obviously Estate would know her identity, she might have believed she can go through a whole process anonymously.
    I imagine it would have preconditions though when to keep a plaintiff anonymous. I doubt the preconditions here would be there, but I am only guessing.

    In any case, like I said, I don't think there was ever an intent with her going through a full process, so whether a Judge would or would not let her stay anonymous maybe doesn't really matter here because as long as she wanted to stay in this case she could remain anonymous anyway.

    They did not accomplish much with the addition of her case (in fact, it harmed them more IMO for reasons I detailed above) but I think they (the lawyers) thought they would. Remember when they announced her they made a big deal out of it, first airing it on that radio show that something huge was coming. I think they expected it to blow up bigger and something they could put the Estate under more pressure with. That's this law office's whole game. This is what they are famous for. Soliciting "victims" (often by questionable means) and then using a critical mass of accusers to force someone into a settlement. I think that's exactly what Wade expected of them when he hired them because legally they did not add much to the case.

    As for Robson, he is sneaking his way back to dancing. I can't say I am surprised that he "healed" after all now that he is starting to be short of money. LOL. He is a shameless lying sociopath.

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