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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    ^^^

    This occured to me too. Not just this case but others too. This is the internet and this is an open forum. When we discuss weaknesses with the cases here we also expose those weaknesses to Finaldi and co. I'm not sure we really want to do that.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    To me all this does is muddy the waters further and alienate the public and media from even caring anymore.

    If anything I'm suspicious her presence in this saga is closely connected to the Robson hooplahdeedoodoo.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    I believed she, as well as Safejunk were brought up only to support Wade's case and create salacious headlines in order to try quick settlement.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    At the very least the Estate should find out what those checks were all about and if they know not keep those facts for themselves.
    I know this is a demurrer but I still I find it odd that they used this defense only and didn't mention at least in a footnote what
    the money was really for. They only argued even if it was compensation for sexual abuse MJJ Venture still couldn't be held liable
    for the actions of the abuser.

    Third parties make voluntary payments on behalf of tortfeasors all the time.
    Yeah but MJ was not a tortfeasor.


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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    I wonder if a member of MJ's staff, or a family member or friend of this girl identified her from the notes and photo, and has contacted the Estate with the true story? (I don't know if her atty's would be told if this had happened?)
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too. Plus she also added a letter from law enforcement back in 93. It looks like she was interviewed. So her name should also be in the 93 police reports - which Estate most probably has as well.

    And this (below v) is very strange indeed....almost unheard of, in MJ's case, I think.
    wait for it. this is quite new and there isn't much details to report. And media is kinda slow. It routinely happened. For example we saw the motion to compel, got it , wrote about and it took us a week. only after I wrote about it media wrote about it. so it wouldn't surprise me if they took a few weeks to report it.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too.

    Didn't they have to submit the exhibits without the names blacked out? And if they submitted those in court
    didn't they have to serve the same unredacted version to the Estate?
    They blacked out the names in the PDF file they published in the media but can they do that
    in an actual court document?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    I'm interested in the timing of this request for dismissal. Is it possible that the judge had already indicated to her attys. that he would be asking for her to be identified? If not, withdrawing the case now looks very 'weak'. At least waiting for an order to remove anonymity would seem like a 'good' reason to withdraw the case.
    I don't think the Judge indicated anything yet (there wasn't yet any official hearing, nor a motion about the revealing of her identity). But the Estate did indicate that they reserve the right to ask to lift her anonymity. I am sure that would have come sooner or later and I think Finaldi knew that too. There is no reason to keep her identity hidden. I don't think there was ever any illusion that she can go through a full process without revealing her identity. I think simply there was never an intent to go through a full process with her. Everything points to that. The fact that they unreasonably hid her identity (while at the same time they did try to use the case for publicity - see Finaldi's press release, release of the notes and checks etc when they filed) is one indication, another is the fact that they never bothered to even build a detailed narrative with her. The actual allegations in her complaint are only one paragraph and as general as they can be. No specific dates, circumstances, nothing like that are given there. Also the fact that Finaldi filed it to the wrong court (which now I think was deliberate to drag the life-span of this case a little). All this is telling me this was a strategical case all along with no intention to ever really testing it in a court process.

    As for why now? Simple. The first substabtial hearing was set for May 31. I can't say I am suprised that she stepped back before that happened.

    The only other reason I can think of for withdrawal now is if she has had a 'better offer' (for an exclusive story) eg from tabloid press or a book publisher, which would have a more certain payment at the end of it.
    Not necessarily. She might have simply gone for a slim chance of maybe the Estate throwing her a settlement. Or maybe the lawyers made her think it was not a slim chance. Or maybe she is so problematic that it was never an option to reveal her (something that I tend to believe). Or there are also other possibilities: suddenly her conscience got the better of her. Or the lawyers found such huge problems with her that they were the ones who told her it was better to quit now. There can be many variations.


    Quote Originally Posted by 8701girl View Post
    Why are we giving them answers and ideas they can use of their case???
    Do we really want to reduce the discussion here to the level of "Wade sucks" comments and the like so that we won't give them any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    I personally think it would be easy for the Estate to identify her. They have the checks, assuming business records are kept and even through the bank records they can probably identify who the checks were written too. Plus she also added a letter from law enforcement back in 93. It looks like she was interviewed. So her name should also be in the 93 police reports - which Estate most probably has as well.
    I was thinking that she must have had reasonable cause to risk that the Estate would not be able to access records of the payments to her, and also the reason for these payments. If the Estate could immediately show what her payments were for (ie some legitimate reason), then her case becomes pretty much void (well, at least it loses the most potentially compelling 'evidence').
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    Yeah, again I think she was used mainly to drum up some bad press. Like the Radar child porn story or the "child sex ring" story. They found someone who was willing to say that legit notes and checks were for nefarious purposes. It's all too weak for court and the story went nowhere.

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    I don't think there was ever any illusion that she can go through a full process without revealing her identity.
    Some do though. The sexual abuse cases at the universities, even the gymnast case these lawyers involved. They are all Jane Doe's and media doesn't name them or show their pictures even through the trial phase. Stanford victim is one of the most recent examples. She went though whole process under Jane Doe or Emily Doe name. They even protected her relatives and referred to her sister as Tiffany Doe.

    So while obviously Estate would know her identity, she might have believed she can go through a whole process anonymously.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    I hope the estate is compiling a list of all the projects Robson has been doing since he "cannot work in the entertainment field anymore".

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    He also, despite being 'unable to continue directing in any manner or capacity whatsoever', directed another music video that released a couple of days back.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    Some do though. The sexual abuse cases at the universities, even the gymnast case these lawyers involved. They are all Jane Doe's and media doesn't name them or show their pictures even through the trial phase. Stanford victim is one of the most recent examples. She went though whole process under Jane Doe or Emily Doe name. They even protected her relatives and referred to her sister as Tiffany Doe.

    So while obviously Estate would know her identity, she might have believed she can go through a whole process anonymously.
    I imagine it would have preconditions though when to keep a plaintiff anonymous. I doubt the preconditions here would be there, but I am only guessing.

    In any case, like I said, I don't think there was ever an intent with her going through a full process, so whether a Judge would or would not let her stay anonymous maybe doesn't really matter here because as long as she wanted to stay in this case she could remain anonymous anyway.

    They did not accomplish much with the addition of her case (in fact, it harmed them more IMO for reasons I detailed above) but I think they (the lawyers) thought they would. Remember when they announced her they made a big deal out of it, first airing it on that radio show that something huge was coming. I think they expected it to blow up bigger and something they could put the Estate under more pressure with. That's this law office's whole game. This is what they are famous for. Soliciting "victims" (often by questionable means) and then using a critical mass of accusers to force someone into a settlement. I think that's exactly what Wade expected of them when he hired them because legally they did not add much to the case.

    As for Robson, he is sneaking his way back to dancing. I can't say I am surprised that he "healed" after all now that he is starting to be short of money. LOL. He is a shameless lying sociopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    As for Robson, he is sneaking his way back to dancing. I can't say I am surprised that he "healed" after all now that he is starting to be short of money. LOL. He is a shameless lying sociopath.
    What is outrageous though is that he can sneak back and all those people are willing to work with him like it's nothing what he did.
    Falsely accusing the man without whom he wouldn't have had much a name in this industry in the first place.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

    I believe it is good that he is going back to dancing again. This is an indication that he is in a dire financial situation and cannot afford to continue with the claim that he is not able to work. As for those he is working with, who r they really? The projects he is working on are medicor to say the least and the people he is being involved with are not that big. I saw his recent video where he was doing a dance routine in his living room. Pathetic to say the least. A disproportionately tall and on top of that old man trying hard to prove he is still relevant. Mj was older than him during the History Tour, but he was still on fire and oozing with sexiness and charisma; the difference is just striking. He might manage to get a chance her and there but his best days are over. He is done for good. He does not have the kind of talent to overcome the age factor not to mention his bad reputation in the industry. This guy is beyond desperate now and it is hopefully going to get even worse for him.

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