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From few years ago I was reading several articles and books of the 1993 scandal...
It's true that Jordie can't talk about the case in public (if he want to keep his fortune). But... If he writing his version of the facts and decided that his book can be going on sale when he dies?
 
The Chandlers already found a way to circumvent the confidentiality agreement and as a result have released a book under Ray Chandler's name. Isn't that enough?

After all the trash that the Chandlers have thrown at Michael the only book from Jordan that would be interesting would be a book where he confesses it was a lie. Other than that, they have their version out there, so there is no need for more books from the Chandlers.
 
The settlement prevented from him talking to the public about it, but it did not prevent him from perusing criminal charges or testifying at a later criminal trial. However, he did not do either, and actually fled the country to avoid being subpoenaed for the 2005 trial.

With all that in mind, I highly doubt he's ever going to say anything about the allegations, be it in a book or in a testimony. That uncle of his already put out that turd of a book that Respect mentioned, so there's no point. The fact that he purposely avoided having to testify afterwards speaks volumes.
 
We don't need a book for him to admit it was all an extortion. The facts are clear as day.

Jordy's father is on tape saying he's going to win big, he'll get his kid away from his wife, and ruin Michael. Shortly there after, the accusations take place. MJ's lawyers foolishly tell him to settle the case (which MJ later says on national TV, he regrets doing). The case is dropped and the Chandler's aren't pursuing criminal charges.

New charges against MJ are brought up and he does go on trial. To avoid being called to the stand (which they very well would have) they fled the country. Not long after MJ passes away, Evan Chandler kills himself.

All those events tells me all I need to know. The Chandler family were nothing but a bunch of con artists.
 
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that Ray Chandler wrote a book of the case. In what year was that? Can somebody tell me how or where I can find the book (on PDF). Of course as a private message. Do you know if this book was published in spanish?

And don't get me wrong, I just very curious about this guy (Jordie).

Thanks a lot.
 
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that Ray Chandler wrote a book of the case. In what year was that? Can somebody tell me how or where I can find the book (on PDF).

Check out your PM. I hope you know enough of the case to know how to read it and how to spot the lies in it.

And don't get me wrong, I just very curious about this guy (Jordie).

Thanks a lot.

If you are curious about him, some links for you:

http://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/jordan-chandler-photos/

The 1993 case: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/the-timeline-of-the-1993-allegations-against-michael-jackson/

And a thread on this forum (I think you will only have access to this area after you reached a certain number of posts (5? 25?): http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/132314-Some-info-on-the-Chandlers
 
Can we please stop calling him Jordy. His name is Jordan. I think the media loves the use the name Jordy to still portray him as the ''sweet, innocent wittle boy''
 
Can we please stop calling him Jordy. His name is Jordan. I think the media loves the use the name Jordy to still portray him as the ''sweet, innocent wittle boy''

I never used that name anyways. I recently used the name J. Chandler instead.
 
Check out your PM. I hope you know enough of the case to know how to read it and how to spot the lies in it.


If you are curious about him, some links for you:

http://turningthetableonthechandlerallegations.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/jordan-chandler-photos/

The 1993 case: http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/the-timeline-of-the-1993-allegations-against-michael-jackson/

And a thread on this forum (I think you will only have access to this area after you reached a certain number of posts (5? 25?): http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/132314-Some-info-on-the-Chandlers

Thanks for the book and the reports, very rare photos (I never seen before) and interesting time line.

Today, all I have read about case are the famous GQ Magazine article from 1994, "The Magic & the madness" by R.Taraborrelli and the Frank Cascio's book (but in this one are several timeline mistakes).
 
The more you read about it the more clear it is that there was no merit in the accusation. On the surface it can seem convincing to people because of misinformation about the case and because people misinterpret what the settlement did and didn't mean.

Claims settled in the civil suit were claims of bodily injury resulting from negligence,and emotional distress.

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It states that the settlement payment is not an admission of guilt:

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When settling civil suits a person does not have to accept liability and nobody is stopped from participating in a criminal trial, you can't settle criminal cases and you can't stop another person from being part of a criminal complaint or trial against you.

A settlement doesn’t usually state that anyone was right or wrong in the case, nor does it have to settle the whole case. Part of a dispute can be settled, with the remaining issues left to be resolved by the judge or jury.

Criminal cases are not settled by the parties in quite the same way civil cases are. However, not every case goes to trial. The government may decide to dismiss a case, or be ordered to do so by a court. The defendant may decide to plead guilty, perhaps as a result of negotiations with the government that result in dismissing some of the charges or recommending leniency in sentencing. Plea bargains are a very important and efficient way to resolve criminal cases.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/cases_settling.html

Any attempt to stop criminal investigation or trial would have been an obstruction of justice.

18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(a)
(1) Whoever kills or attempts to kill another person, with intent to—
(A) prevent the attendance or testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B) prevent the production of a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(C) prevent the communication by any person to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).
(2) Whoever uses physical force or the threat of physical force against any person, or attempts to do so, with intent to—
(A) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B) cause or induce any person to—
(i) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(ii) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the integrity or availability of the object for use in an official proceeding;
(iii) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(iv) be absent from an official proceeding to which that person has been summoned by legal process; or
(C) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, supervised release, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).
(3) The punishment for an offense under this subsection is—
(A) in the case of a killing, the punishment provided in sections 1111 and 1112;
(B) in the case of—
(i) an attempt to murder; or
(ii) the use or attempted use of physical force against any person;
imprisonment for not more than 30 years; and
(C) in the case of the threat of use of physical force against any person, imprisonment for not more than 20 years.
(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,, [1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from—
(1) attending or testifying in an official proceeding;
(2) reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,, [1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
(3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or
(4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding;
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both.
(e) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, it is an affirmative defense, as to which the defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence, that the conduct consisted solely of lawful conduct and that the defendant’s sole intention was to encourage, induce, or cause the other person to testify truthfully.
(f) For the purposes of this section—
(1) an official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense; and
(2) the testimony, or the record, document, or other object need not be admissible in evidence or free of a claim of privilege.
(g) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, no state of mind need be proved with respect to the circumstance—
(1) that the official proceeding before a judge, court, magistrate judge, grand jury, or government agency is before a judge or court of the United States, a United States magistrate judge, a bankruptcy judge, a Federal grand jury, or a Federal Government agency; or
(2) that the judge is a judge of the United States or that the law enforcement officer is an officer or employee of the Federal Government or a person authorized to act for or on behalf of the Federal Government or serving the Federal Government as an adviser or consultant.
(h) There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.
(i) A prosecution under this section or section 1503 may be brought in the district in which the official proceeding (whether or not pending or about to be instituted) was intended to be affected or in the district in which the conduct constituting the alleged offense occurred.
(j) If the offense under this section occurs in connection with a trial of a criminal case, the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the offense shall be the higher of that otherwise provided by law or the maximum term that could have been imposed for any offense charged in such case.
(k) Whoever conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

18 U.S. Code § 1510 - Obstruction of criminal investigations

(a) Whoever willfully endeavors by means of bribery to obstruct, delay, or prevent the communication of information relating to a violation of any criminal statute of the United States by any person to a criminal investigator shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b)
(1) Whoever, being an officer of a financial institution, with the intent to obstruct a judicial proceeding, directly or indirectly notifies any other person about the existence or contents of a subpoena for records of that financial institution, or information that has been furnished in response to that subpoena, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(2) Whoever, being an officer of a financial institution, directly or indirectly notifies—
(A) a customer of that financial institution whose records are sought by a subpoena for records; or
(B) any other person named in that subpoena;
about the existence or contents of that subpoena or information that has been furnished in response to that subpoena, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
(3) As used in this subsection—
(A) the term “an officer of a financial institution” means an officer, director, partner, employee, agent, or attorney of or for a financial institution; and
(B) the term “subpoena for records” means a Federal grand jury subpoena or a Department of Justice subpoena (issued under section 3486 of title 18), for customer records that has been served relating to a violation of, or a conspiracy to violate—
(i) section 215, 656, 657, 1005, 1006, 1007, 1014, 1344, 1956, 1957, orchapter 53 of title 31; or
(ii) section 1341 or 1343 affecting a financial institution.
(c) As used in this section, the term “criminal investigator” means any individual duly authorized by a department, agency, or armed force of the United States to conduct or engage in investigations of or prosecutions for violations of the criminal laws of the United States.
(d)
(1) Whoever—
(A) acting as, or being, an officer, director, agent or employee of a person engaged in the business of insurance whose activities affect interstate commerce, or
(B) is engaged in the business of insurance whose activities affect interstate commerce or is involved (other than as an insured or beneficiary under a policy of insurance) in a transaction relating to the conduct of affairs of such a business,
with intent to obstruct a judicial proceeding, directly or indirectly notifies any other person about the existence or contents of a subpoena for records of that person engaged in such business or information that has been furnished to a Federal grand jury in response to that subpoena, shall be fined as provided by this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(2) As used in paragraph (1), the term “subpoena for records” means a Federal grand jury subpoena for records that has been served relating to a violation of, or a conspiracy to violate, section 1033 of this title.
(e) Whoever, having been notified of the applicable disclosure prohibitions or confidentiality requirements of section 2709 (c)(1) of this title, section 626(d)(1) or 627(c)(1) of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681u (d)(1) or 1681v (c)(1)),section 1114(a)(3)(A) or 1114(a)(5)(D)(i) of the Right to Financial Privacy Act [1] (12 U.S.C. 3414 (a)(3)(A) or 3414 (a)(5)(D)(i)), orsection 802(b)(1) of the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 436 (b)(1)), [2] knowingly and with the intent to obstruct an investigation or judicial proceeding violates such prohibitions or requirements applicable by law to such person shall be imprisoned for not more than five years, fined under this title, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1510

18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees


Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or
Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—
Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1505
 
So... It's true that Jordan has been in one of the last concerts of Bad world tour in Los Angeles? Or it just a rumor? I was read that in the Magic & the Madness and now I read the same in the Ray Chandler's book too. Very curious.
 
So... It's true that Jordan has been in one of the last concerts of Bad world tour in Los Angeles? Or it just a rumor? I was read that in the Magic & the Madness and now I read the same in the Ray Chandler's book too. Very curious.

He may have been there, but just as a fan. He met Michael personally only in May 1992 when MJ's car broke down.

And again I warn you not to take everything in that book at face value. These people are liars who twist and make up things.
 
He met Michael personally only in May 1992 when MJ's car broke down.

Can you imagine how different everything would been if the car didn't break down? Or even if the car had broken down a mile or two later... It's amazing how tiny things like that can drastically change your life, just by leading onto other events that wouldn't have occurred otherwise...

Off topic but something interesting to think about...
 
Can you imagine how different everything would been if the car didn't break down? Or even if the car had broken down a mile or two later... It's amazing how tiny things like that can drastically change your life, just by leading onto other events that wouldn't have occurred otherwise...

Off topic but something interesting to think about...

Or maybe not... One person who often related with children and sleeps with them (even if he doesn't do anything inappropriate) is vulnerable to this kind of accusations. Like the Arvizo case shows.

Anyway, I agree with you. If the car didn't broken, surely the Dangerous tour would been in USA too.

PD: Sorry about my poor english.
 
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I am interested in where Arviso and Chandler are now. Does anyone have their social media accounts? One of those links is chandlers girlfriend insta/or other media what is the link to that also?
 
I don't want to be rude, but is it possible to have this entire thread moved over to the "Trials and Tribulations" section? Especially since it's getting pretty specific about the allegations, etc.
 
Or maybe not... One person who often related with children and sleeps with them (even if he doesn't do anything inappropriate) is vulnerable to this kind of accusations. Like the Arvizo case shows.

Anyway, I agree with you. If the car didn't broken, surely the Dangerous tour would been in USA too.

PD: Sorry about my poor english.

But it's not Michael's fault he was accused.
 
ive thought that exact thing many a time. i dont believe in fate but so many of the things that happened to mj in his life it was like everything was pre planned and staged. if say say say was never filmed around what became nevvy. wouldnt have lived anywhere near santa b and its cronnies

Can you imagine how different everything would been if the car didn't break down? Or even if the car had broken down a mile or two later... It's amazing how tiny things like that can drastically change your life, just by leading onto other events that wouldn't have occurred otherwise...

Off topic but something interesting to think about...
 
ive thought that exact thing many a time. i dont believe in fate but so many of the things that happened to mj in his life it was like everything was pre planned and staged. if say say say was never filmed around what became nevvy. wouldnt have lived anywhere near santa b and its cronnies


Remember the story of how June Chandler told Michael that Jordan drew a picture for Michael after he burned his scalp? She is the one who wrote Michael a letter with there phone number and the picture went to the hospital and gave it to his guards. At times I don't think everything was an accident
 
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He would have been what age then? 3?


He was four when that happend. However, she told Michael that Jordan drew Michael a picture when it happend and gave them there phone number. However back in 84 she wrote Michael a letter and along with said picture took it to the hospital herself.
 
He was four when that happend. However, she told Michael that Jordan drew Michael a picture when it happend and gave them there phone number. However back in 84 she wrote Michael a letter and along with said picture took it to the hospital herself.

In Taraborrelli's book, he said that Frank Dileo phoned the Chandler family and invited them in one of the last shows of Bad world tour, in Los Angeles.
 
In Taraborrelli's book, he said that Frank Dileo phoned the Chandler family and invited them in one of the last shows of Bad world tour, in Los Angeles.

Never noticed that before, jrt writes dileo rang june to give them 4 tickets - what an odd thing to claim. Did any of you americans get dileo ringing you up offering bad tix or was it just the chandlers that got this vip treatment?
 
Bonnie Blue;4040817 said:
Never noticed that before, jrt writes dileo rang june to give them 4 tickets - what an odd thing to claim. Did any of you americans get dileo ringing you up offering bad tix or was it just the chandlers that got this vip treatment?

This is from Ray Chandler's book:

The encounter at the car rental agency was not the first time Michael and the boy had met. Jordie was little more than a toddler when be and his parents ran into Michael in a restaurant. The star picked him up, said something like, "Oh, he's so cute," and put him back down. For Michael, this brief acknowledgment was one among thousands in the day-to-day life of an icon. And little Jordie was too young to know what a superstar was. Neither would remember the event. But for Jordie's mother and stepfather, the thrill may never have worn off.
As if to be sure it wouldn't, fate stepped in and brought them together again. In 1984, when Michael was in a nearby hospital recovering from burns sustained while filming a Pepsi commercial, June penned a get-well letter on behalf of her son and hand delivered it to a bodyguard outside Michael's room. Included in the letter were Jordie's picture and phone number.
Needless to say, June and Jordie — who was now five years old — were thrilled when Michael called later that day to thank them. Surprise turned to elation when an invitation arrived several days later for Jordie to appear in an ad Michael was filming. Though Jordie was not selected to appear in the ad, and did not get to meet Michael on the set as expected, the letdown was softened by a personal invitation from the star to attend the Los Angeles performance of BAD.
 
The Chandlers already found a way to circumvent the confidentiality agreement and as a result have released a book under Ray Chandler's name. Isn't that enough?

After all the trash that the Chandlers have thrown at Michael the only book from Jordan that would be interesting would be a book where he confesses it was a lie. Other than that, they have their version out there, so there is no need for more books from the Chandlers.

I agree in the bold
 
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