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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    I am personally not excited about seeing them trash Lockwood in the media. In the video you linked above it is not like Joe Esposito or others trashed MJ either. I know in some other videos some Presley family members did, but a lot of those are known tabloid whores who aren't even close to Lisa or whom Lisa and/or Elvis straight up hate(d). Every family has low life leeches.
    I said it last week - some of the people from Presley camp who spoke in the media weren't even in relationship with Lisa. There's Priscilla of course but I think she's the only one who actually met Michael among those people. There was also Dee Presley, Elvis' step-mother, whom he actually hated. She trashed Michael in the media in the 90s and did interviews about Lisa and him. When she died a few years ago fans asked Lisa on her Facebook if she was close to her and Lisa said she never had any relationship with her. There are always people who claim to be insiders when in fact they know nothing.

    You can also see JRT in the 1996 video and you know he's making things up. MJ put the marriage on hold to work on the HBO special? This part didn't get to his next edition of Magic and the Madness it tells you something about the credibility of people who were doing those interviews.

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    As for Priscilla, the process is still ongoing, it is a complicated, messy divorce, involving nasty allegations, so it is not wise for her or any other family member to say anything publicly, anyway. It's not like Priscilla was in the media commenting about LMP and MJ's divorce right after Lisa filed either. In the video you linked above from 1996 they say she wouldn't comment. I think the first time she publicly commented was when they were on the Oprah show in 2005 - almost 10 years later. How do you know she won't comment at a later date about Lockwood? But even if she won't that may have many reasons. While I think she did like and support Lockwood more initially than she did MJ, but I doubt she thinks anything nice of him now. At the same time him and Lisa have children who are also Priscilla's grandchildren. And it is definitely not time to publicly say anything in the media now that the divorce is still going on and it is nasty. Also considering that Priscilla is the guardian of the children now.
    Priscilla was wrong to support Lockwood in the first place. I've always thought it was stupid because was more worried about MJ, who had his own career and his own money than she was worried about Lockwood, who could benefit from this marriage in many ways. I think she realizes she was wrong now, I doubt she has anything good to say about Lockwood today but I also don't think she will go to the media and talk badly about him anytime soon for the reasons in respect77's and my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    Earlier in this thread people complained at Lisa supposedly "leaking" the allegations against Lockwood (and it is not like she went to talk to the media) and now the issue is that her family do not talk to the media about it?
    damned if you do, damned if you don't.


    I don't care how they deal with Lockwood in the media and I don't think we should compare it to the way it was with MJ. It would be nice to see Priscilla talking nicely about MJ though.
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    Didn't Priscilla call Michael "sweet" recently? Thought I read that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    Didn't Priscilla call Michael "sweet" recently? Thought I read that here.
    She said this in 2015.

    “My thinking was entirely different. I never compared him to Elvis … they were musicians, and at the top of their game, but I looked at it from being a mom. I was concerned about their relationship. You know, I just didn’t know if it was authentic or not. I just worried about if she was doing the right thing. I worried about … his agendas.”
    Did she meet Jackson often?
    “A few times. He was sweet. But I think he was a bit nervous of me,” she says, adding with a laugh, “Well, I’m the mother-in-law!”
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-its-beautiful

    She still talks about "agendas", but calling him sweet - I guess this was the nicest she's ever been about him. LOL.

    As for "agendas", well look how the whole Lockwood thing, "the normal guy", turned out. In fact, I think people with MJ's or LMP's status always have to (or should have) watch their back because a lot of people will be out there for their money and fame and how they can benefit from them. MJ had this same problem not only in regards of a romantic relationship but also friendships - after using him how many so called "friends" turned on him when that was the more profitable option? If anything, Priscilla had less to worry about MJ (and perhaps Nic Cage) in that regard than anyone else. What made Priscilla think that someone like Lockwood, someone with no money, no real career would be less suspect in using Lisa for his benefit than MJ?

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    Her comment was condescending IMO, what could I expect from Priscilla if she's a judgemental prick and I suspect she might be racist as well. How could she think Michael had an "agenda" with LMP if he had a strong career and money of his own? But she praised that nobody Lisa chose as her fourth husband.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow White luvs Peter Pan View Post
    Her comment was condescending IMO, what could I expect from Priscilla if she's a judgemental prick and I suspect she might be racist as well. How could she think Michael had an "agenda" with LMP if he had a strong career and money of his own? But she praised that nobody Lisa chose as her fourth husband.
    Yeah, it was condescending, and she is a judgmental prick.
    However, racist is a strong word that I don't think should be thrown around lightly.
    I'd also like to think that as bitter and salty as she was that racism wasn't the reason behind it because racism is such a disgusting sad thing.
    Nonetheless, claims of racism aside, you're completely correct, it is quite strange and ironic how so many false alarms went off for her about Michael yet a slippery gold digging snake like Lockwood was more then okay to her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow White luvs Peter Pan View Post
    respect777, I actually agree with many things you said in your last post. What I am about to say it doesn't imply in any way you said some of those things directed at me, it's just reassurance on my actions.

    If you read my posts through out the years, you may be aware I don't condone people spreading dowright lies about anyone or anything to suit their agendas and make the targets of those lies to look worse, that's not my style even if it's a person I don't like because it's unethical. I believe their love for each other was genuine and I never thought their relationship was a publicity stunt to help Michael's reputation even though the allegations indeed damaged it. He loved her and saw in Lisa an opportunity to fulfill his dream of making a family of his own with her but didn't work out in the long run.

    Some people think fans hold a grudge against her because of what she said in 2003-2005, it's not entirely true in my case. I recall she started to bash him in 1997 and continued until 2009, moths before his dead even though she was chasing him around and clinging on family members, probably she was indeed sweet to him while they were together and in good terms but that's not what I saw when she was out there bashing him for the whole world to see it. She was bitter and vindictive like Michael was a horrible ex husband who took advantage of her. Although, I admit the cruelest and most critical point of her bitterness perhaps hatred was everyone else loved to hate him as well.

    Perhaps Michael wanted to cherish the good and happy moments they spent together instead of having resentment but we know in general he wasn't the kind of person who would hold resentments against many people, he was an absolute sweetheart and too good for this corrupted world and you may simpathize with him towards Lisa but she did hurt him leaving him heartbroken and not for her spiteful comments. If hearing him how disappointed and hurt he was she didn't want to have children with him doesn't make your heart to ache over him even though LM was well aware how badly he wanted to be a father and she promised him but lied, I don't know what will.

    I don't want to sound like a merciless asshole but the cruel joke is on LM. She allowed her mother to interfere in her marriage, to manipulate her over MJ ruining both her daughter's and Michael's chance to be happy and look how Lockwood turned out to be, most of the things Priscilla wrongfully thought of Michael.
    Lisa has a strong personality. There was a competition between Lisa and Michael and Michael lost out. The Presley household was the superior one. It was intolerable for Priscilla to share the limelight with Michael Jackson. Which is why Priscilla stated on Oprah that Michael was obsessed with Elvis, in 2005.

    The only reason we heard from Lisa both in 2003 and 2005 in Interviews was for Lisa to sell her records, which eventually destroyed her present marriage. Even Michael Lockwood admits he tried to help Lisa with her musical career, which cost Lisa millions and millions of dollars. This is why Lisa is angry at Michael Lockwood. For Priscilla to admit that she has had custody of her granddaughter's for over 9 months means her daughter is in a lot of trouble and I sure hope she F I N A L L Y gets the mental help she has always needed, even before her father passed!
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    ^ I don't think Lockwood wanted to help Lisa with her career, he used her all along to get access to her money. I think him stealing from her and how LM was publicly gushing about Michael were the things that destroyed her marriage.

    I agree with what you said Pink, that's the reason I didn't assure Priscilla is racist. There have been rumors about it but it doesn't mean they're true.

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    I don't think Priscilla is a racist, she might be kind of snob though - there was a part in their 2005 Oprah interview where Lisa mentioned how she wanted a lawyer or a doctor as a husband for her (@2:25).



    I think out of LMP's four husbands she liked the "normal ones" the most - ie. Danny and Lockwood (well, the latter up until this current mess at least). But her likes and dislikes also seem to correlate with who converted to Scientology and who didn't, so maybe it has to do with that as well.

    Mind you, I think the fact that Lockwood so easily went along with everything requested of him (ie. becoming a Scientologist at request and when Lisa left the cult then he too left, this whole thing of him being so OK with Danny and also with Lisa's longing for MJ). It might have been pleasant at the moment for Lisa - a guy who goes along with everything, but such a thing suggests a guy with no real principles and I think it is a red flag.

    I think MJ's reaction to Danny still being around Lisa so much was much more normal for someone who loved her than Lockwood's reaction. I mean if you truly love your wife it is totally normal to be uncomfortable with her ex still living on her porch and her taking vacations with him. I think the abnormal thing is actually to be so OK with everything as Lockwood was. Screams an opportunist to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    She said this in 2015.



    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-its-beautiful

    She still talks about "agendas", but calling him sweet - I guess this was the nicest she's ever been about him. LOL.

    As for "agendas", well look how the whole Lockwood thing, "the normal guy", turned out. In fact, I think people with MJ's or LMP's status always have to (or should have) watch their back because a lot of people will be out there for their money and fame and how they can benefit from them. MJ had this same problem not only in regards of a romantic relationship but also friendships - after using him how many so called "friends" turned on him when that was the more profitable option? If anything, Priscilla had less to worry about MJ (and perhaps Nic Cage) in that regard than anyone else. What made Priscilla think that someone like Lockwood, someone with no money, no real career would be less suspect in using Lisa for his benefit than MJ?
    Exactly. They should know by now that MJ was the only one who loved Lisa without hidden agendas. He was big enough on his own. I don't think Nic used Lisa either but it wasn't big love. Lockwood's circumstances were shady all along but Priscilla refused to see it. It makes me wonder why he joined Scientology and was fine with Danny and her feelings for MJ. People who liked him thought he was being considerate but it looked suspicious.

    edit to add: I see respect77 said the same thing I also agree that MJ's reaction to Danny was normal especially when Danny was intruding their relationship
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    This was very sweet of Lisa "I will always love you. Eternally, L".



    I agree with this post by Star from the old Presley-Jackson Board in 29/08/2010 " I wonder how Lockwood feels about that. I gotta say, I wouldn't be happy if my husband was leaving a message like that at the mausoleum of his ex-wife, especially if they had been divorced for like 14 years and he spent the last few years claiming the marriage was a mistake and he was indifferent. lol. Well, if Lockwood knows about her message, he obviously will know the truth about how Lisa feels for Michael. She never stopped loving him, even though I bet she tried really hard to and told herself that she didn't."
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    This was very sweet of Lisa "I will always love you. Eternally, L".

    Very touching. I love the inscription


    New picture of Harper and Finley with Navarone (Lisa's brother)

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    I have never seen these pics before





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    At this point from her own words I can not see that Priscialla totally changed her minds about Lookwood.
    In fact I find it a odd statement to give when the own daughter is accusing her husband of financial betraying and worser things. The best what you can take from this statement she is totally neutral and is waiting for outcomings in courts.

    _______________---
    "This is very personal, and we're still going through a lot of different scenarios," Priscilla tells ET's Cameron Mathison. "There's been a lot of rumors, a lot of speculation, and a lot of everything which always goes along with these situations."


    WATCH: Priscilla Presley Says Lisa Marie Presley's Daughters Are in Her Care Amid Legal Battle With Estranged Ex


    "Nothing is sorted out yet," Priscilla says. "Everything is trying to be sorted out, and done with dignity and done with care, especially for the children."

    While the situation gets resolved, Priscilla says the couple's 8-year-old twin daughters, Harper and Finley, are living with her.


    "It's still a very family-oriented environment for them," Priscilla says. "They've been with me for -- it'll be over nine months. They're great. They're doing wonderful. They're living a great life. They see both their parents, and we'll see what happens."

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    I wonder what happened on 17 March? I read from the legal docs that Lisa requested to have court closed, that might explain the lack of updates.

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