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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Auto tune or melodyne should get a bad rap. Singers should be able to sing.
    Using the talk box or auto tune as novelty special effects is different.
    I will admit I got tired of the talk box after awhile-it should be used sparingly. They played that Peter Frampton song 24 hours a day on the radio when I was a kid. Ha.

    I think it's why I kinda dislike electronic music today.

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    Default Roger

    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    I will admit I got tired of the talk box after awhile-it should be used sparingly. They played that Peter Frampton song 24 hours a day on the radio when I was a kid. Ha.
    So they didn't play Zapp where you live? Roger Troutman is the person who really popularized the talkbox. It's what's he's known for.


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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Michael loved Zapp.



    I don't know where I read it that he loved to dance to More Bounce to the Ounce.


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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by michael555 View Post
    I meant the part just before it goes to the piano outro (is it scary for you, i know the evil one is you part), his voice sounds very edited. Hope someone could tell what it could be..
    Umm..."is it scary for you I'm tired of being abused,ya know ya scaring me to, i see the evil is true" just had to correct u & i think that in the "is it scary for ya baby whoooo" part maybe he had a bubble in his throat.happens to me all the time

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Sometimes auto-tune is used not necceserily to "save" a performance but for artistic reasons. Kanye West's singing is extremely average, definitely nothing to write home about (as you can hear on FourFiveSeconds with Rihanna and Paul McCartney). However, he used auto-tune heavily on the first album after his mother's death to provoke a cold, sterile and robotic feeling to help support the themes of alienation and loss etc throughout the album.

    Michael did use some audio effects on his vocals no doubt, but of course it was never to "save" his vocals. He used it more so for artistic effect.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Thank you for creating this thread. "You Rock My World" makes me wonder. The part towards the end of the song, where he says something that kinda sounds like "Hai-air ! Hai-air !" (before going "Hoo !"). It's one of my favorite parts, but I've always wondered if his voice was "helped" somehow. My opinion changes from time to time, I'm not sure.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Word Smith Sr View Post
    Thank you for creating this thread. "You Rock My World" makes me wonder. The part towards the end of the song, where he says something that kinda sounds like "Hai-air ! Hai-air !" (before going "Hoo !"). It's one of my favorite parts, but I've always wondered if his voice was "helped" somehow. My opinion changes from time to time, I'm not sure.
    You rock my world has melodyne on it definitely. You can tell on the acapella. I wouldn't say Michael needed it, it's on one more chance as well. He was just experimenting with it most likely. Or it was added by producers to create a certain effect. I don't think melodyne is always bad, as others have said it can be used for artistic reasons. As someone else in this thread says you're never hearing an artist's raw vocals in a song. There's always compression or eq-ing of some sort done to get them to sound a certain way, warmer, smoother in the mix, cleaner etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    Michael loved Zapp.
    I read somewhere that Roger worked on the original version of Smooth Criminal. It might have been at Gearslutz or Steve Hoffman, don't remember exactly. Roger is mentioned on the Bad album 'thank you' list. I've always thought the guitar riff on Superfly Sister was Roger like.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    In Invincible album Autotune (Or some sort of corrector with vibrato!) was put on on some songs, slight or more. Notice that Autotune isn't always so powerful sounding, it can be just correcting the notes very slightly. Like "Break Of Dawn" and "Butterflies" has an effected kind of sound. The Autotune in "Speechless" and "The Lost Children" and the rest of the songs is pretty slight. And for example the song "One More Change" has a powerful Autotune effect in it. You can hear it very well on the second verse of the song. The posthumous material is all autotuned. (because of nowadays music and producers)

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    Default Re: Roger

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    So they didn't play Zapp where you live? Roger Troutman is the person who really popularized the talkbox. It's what's he's known for.

    They probably did-I do remember "Dance Floor." Even though "Disco Sucks" theoretically closed down discos, they actually still existed and we did plenty of dancing all thru the 80's. I just automatically think of Frampton and Stevie Wonder since I was a kid and that's the first time I heard it.

    While I was watching your vids on YouTube, I noticed this-and didn't realize all of this went way back even before my time.




    Oh, by the way, thank you for posting the Video Soul show-I have loved watching these on YouTube. I missed so much by not having cable until 95. By then, most music programs were long gone.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    People don't use autotune really, it's mostly melodyne or some other effect. A lot of songs on Invincible do have slight melodyne processing on the vocals.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I thin he used melodyne/antares or some form of pitch correction on You Rock My World for stylistic eff ct


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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I would not know why Michael would pretty much see if he'd like autotunes in 2008 IF he already had experience with it... He'd already know what it could do.
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    Default dance music

    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    Even though "Disco Sucks" theoretically closed down discos, they actually still existed and we did plenty of dancing all thru the 80's.
    Technically, disco was renamed "dance music" and "house music" in the 1980s. House was closer in sound to some disco songs, than the generic title "dance music". The 1980s is when the popularity of remixes and maxi singles picked up, more so than in the actual disco era. Most early rap songs were only released on maxi singles, not on 45s, as the songs were usually too long for a 45 single. Rappers Delight was 15 minutes long and other rap songs were on average 7 to 10 minutes. In the very early 1980s, there was less R&B and dancable music on Top 40 radio after 'disco sucks'. R&B was disco by default. It was the era of country crossover (.ig Urban Cowboy, The Dukes Of Hazzard, Oak Ridge Boys, Eddie Rabbitt, Dolly Parton) light rock (Air Supply, Christopher Cross, Billy Joel) and arena rock (Styx, Journey, Supertramp, Loverboy).

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    The most known song using Talkbox in mainstream is probably:

    California Love (featuring Roger Troutman)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBTdfAkqGU




    Some of Michaels early 80s songs like P.Y.T., Say Say Say or Somebody's Watching Me include little bits of vocoder. Love those.
    "Behind the Mask" also includes Vocoder (leftover from the Yellow Magic Orchestra original song).

    Vocoders can sound very different, it always depends on which sound is used as carrier and what Vocoder machine is used.
    The old analog ones from the 70s like Roland SVC-350 or the EMS Vocoder 2000 are some of the best.

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