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    Default Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Hi friends,

    I just watched a video about the auto tune effect and immediately came to the conclusion, Michael never used that because he didn't need it. Still I would like to ask around whether anyone knows a part in a song or something where Michael used that effect?

    Thanks everyone!
    Sure, it works in practice. But does it work in theory?

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarah_MJ View Post
    Hi friends,

    I just watched a video about the auto tune effect and immediately came to the conclusion, Michael never used that because he didn't need it. Still I would like to ask around whether anyone knows a part in a song or something where Michael used that effect?

    Thanks everyone!
    I'm not really sure, but i think that the lasts seconds in "Is It Scary" are autotuned. If not, there's obviously a vocal effect, because it does sound kinda robotic.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by michael555 View Post
    I'm not really sure, but i think that the lasts seconds in "Is It Scary" are autotuned. If not, there's obviously a vocal effect, because it does sound kinda robotic.
    You mean the part "Is it scary for you baby, ooh" or the last seconds where he just sings "uuuhmeeee"? I agree the latter sounds a bit electronic. Could be auto tune, I'm not sure.
    Sure, it works in practice. But does it work in theory?

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I don't think he used autotune, but the end products that his songs were would've obviously been smoothed out etc. What you hear can't be 100% his raw voice, but it basically is.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I meant the part just before it goes to the piano outro (is it scary for you, i know the evil one is you part), his voice sounds very edited. Hope someone could tell what it could be..

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    there has been a few altered vocal sections throughout the years but what program they use is hard to say.. Generally though, you hear HIM!
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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    If he did the difference between MJ and other people that use autotune is that MJ used it to give his voice some kind of cool effect whereas other people currently use it cover up a horrible voice.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I think Shout and privacy both used it to a degree. Probably some other small parts of songs as well.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    what has been documented, Michael never used autotunes.. What we've heard is that Michael wanted to use Autotune in (06-08) and it did not work the way he hoped so scratched the idea...

    For that being said, I'd say it's safe that specifically autotuned MJ we have not heard.. most likely! If he did not even know how it would turn out when he tried it.
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    Default vocoder / talkbox

    If he did, it would be on the Invincible album since Autotune was invented in the mid-1990s. There's a few songs by The Jacksons that has a vocoder or a talkbox on them (ig. Different Kind Of Lady, Wondering Who). Vocoders & talkboxes are instruments that have to be played while a person is singing into them. Technically, a person doesn't actually vocalize into a talkbox though. You can easily see someone using a talkbox because they have a tube in their mouth. Acts like Zapp, Midnight Star, Joe Walsh, Peter Frampton, Stevie Wonder, and Kraftwerk are known for using one or the other. Autotune is software that can change a pre-recorded voice, there's nothing to play.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    I have heard Mikes vocal pattern changed.. ie - shortened and added in vibrato in little snippet portions of a song or two (One More Chance and Rock My World).. but that is not really what autotune is used for.. of course we know 2000 watts and threatened was digitally played with...
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    Default Re: vocoder / talkbox

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    If he did, it would be on the Invincible album since Autotune was invented in the mid-1990s. There's a few songs by The Jacksons that has a vocoder or a talkbox on them (ig. Different Kind Of Lady, Wondering Who). Vocoders & talkboxes are instruments that have to be played while a person is singing into them. Technically, a person doesn't actually vocalize into a talkbox though. You can easily see someone using a talkbox because they have a tube in their mouth. Acts like Zapp, Midnight Star, Joe Walsh, Peter Frampton, Stevie Wonder, and Kraftwerk are known for using one or the other. Autotune is software that can change a pre-recorded voice, there's nothing to play.
    I go back to when Peter Frampton became famous for using that. And of course, Stevie seemed to love it. I actually always thought The talkbox and auto-tune were the same-they just realized it could alter their voices to sound in tune. Thanks for the lesson.

    What did Cher use in "Believe"?

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    Default Re: vocoder / talkbox

    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    What did Cher use in "Believe"?
    That's autotune. Believe is considered to be the song to popularize it to the general public. I really first heard it a lot on Shackles by Mary Mary. But that song came out 2 years after Believe. I heard Cher's song first, but I didn't hear it that much because I didn't listen to stations that played it. The station that played Shackles was one that was on at a place I worked at the time and they played it a lot. Autotune isn't always used to do that T-Pain sound though. It can be used to fix someone singing a bad note or out of key and you might not notice it.

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    Default Re: vocoder / talkbox

    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    I actually always thought The talkbox and auto-tune were the same-they just realized it could alter their voices to sound in tune.
    A person can tell the difference if they've heard them a lot. Talkbox & vocoder has been used a lot in 1970s funk & disco and 1980s electrofunk and dance music. Here's some examples:

    vocoder

    talkbox (the sound is not monotone like a vocoder, less robotic)


    autotune (sounds closer to their real voices than a robot)

    There's also an early voice effect called Sonovox
    Last edited by DuranDuran; 09-07-2016 at 04:37 AM.

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    Default Re: Michael never used auto tune, right?

    Wasn't there a note by MJ where he wrote "No Melodyne"? Melodyne is software used for pitch correction and it was invented in 2000.

    So like DuranDuran said I think things like autotune or Melodyne could have only possibly been used on Invincible if it was ever used (well, not counting the posthumus manipulations with his music).

    I also think it is different when a singer uses it for vocal effects (eg. Cher - Believe) than when they use it because they cannot sing to save their lives. Which was unfortunately its use a lot of times in the 2000s and why autotune got a bad rep. MJ obviously doesn't fall in that category.

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