Donald Trump and Michael Jackson: The full story behind a mysterious relationship

ILoveHIStory

Proud Member
Joined
Aug 30, 2013
Messages
778
Points
0
http://www.cornwalllive.com/donald-...relationship/story-30074231-detail/story.html

Cornwall Live writer Mike Smallcombe is the author of Making Michael, a biography of the King of Pop's career. Here Mike looks at the relationship between Michael Jackson and Donald Trump, who is about to become one of the most powerful men in the world.

Portrait%20small%20(15).png


Donald Trump's inauguration is upon us – the 45th President of the United States will take office just ten weeks after what was seen as the biggest shock in the country's electoral history.

Before trying his hand at politics, Trump was known as a billionaire real estate mogul and reality television star.

Trump was also no stranger to parading around with A-list celebrities and he long courted personalities from sports and entertainment, including pop superstar Michael Jackson.

It may come as a shock to Jackson's daughter Paris that her father spent a significant amount of time in Trump's company in the 1990s, with Trump going so far as to call Jackson "a very good friend of mine".

As many Americans struggled to come to grips with a Donald Trump presidency in the wake of his election, Paris took to social media to share a picture of a man staring at a noose, revealing that she had a "feeling of impending doom" surging through her entire body. She also made the point that those who voted for Trump were defying her entire family.

It is important to remember that Jackson's association and 'friendship' with Trump existed many years before the property tycoon turned to politics, and Jackson never had the opportunity to pass judgment on Trump's professed beliefs and agendas.

The story of Donald Trump and Michael Jackson begins in March 1988, when the pair met backstage at a concert at New York City's Madison Square Garden. Trump recalls: "I spoke to him for a little while, he was low-key, and I'd think, 'There's no way this guy is going out to that stage to perform'. And then you see him moonwalk across the stage and the place would go crazy."

The two became properly acquainted in 1990, when Trump opened what was then the world's glitziest casino, the Taj Majal in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Dubbed the 'Eighth Wonder of the World', the 1,250-room casino hotel was constructed at a total cost of $1.1 billion, making it the most expensive casino ever built.

On Friday, April 6, 1990 Jackson travelled to Atlantic City to assist Trump with the grand opening, and stayed in the hotel's $10,000-a-night 'Alexander the Great Suite'. "If I ever needed him for something, he'd always be there," Trump later said. "He was very loyal to his friends."

Jackson's arrival at the Taj that afternoon caused pandemonium; thousands of screaming fans and dozens of photographers chased the pair as Trump gave his star guest a guided tour of the facilities.

"There were thousands of people literally crushing us," Trump said, recalling the bedlam. "We had 20 bodyguards, but it was really dangerous.

"He dropped to his knees and started crawling to the exit. He did it so routinely, I thought he fell. And I said, 'Michael, is it always like this?' He goes, 'Yeah, this is nothing. Japan is much worse'."

The next day Trump gave Jackson a tour of the Historic Atlantic City Convention Hall arena, adjacent to his Trump Plaza casino hotel. On the Sunday, Jackson was due to leave for Indiana to be at the bedside of his close friend, 18-year-old Ryan White, who was losing his brave five-year battle with AIDS.

As he arrived at the airport, Jackson was told that Ryan had passed away. Trump, who was about to board his private jet to return to New York, told Jackson he would accompany him on the journey to the White family home, seemingly sensing a golden public relations opportunity.

The pair flew to Indianapolis together aboard a private jet provided by Jackson's record label, before travelling the 20 miles to Ryan's hometown of Cicero in a motorcade of three limousines and several police vehicles.

After arriving at the home, a grieving Jackson sat briefly in the back of a red Ford Mustang GT, which he had given to Ryan as a gift a year earlier. He told the waiting media: "He was a personal friend. It's sad."

Trump extended his condolences to the family, and returned to New Jersey. Jackson remained at the house until the evening, reminiscing and looking through scrapbooks with Ryan's mother, Jeanne.

Jackson spent the next 18 months working on his Dangerous album, which celebrates its 25th anniversary this month. He and Trump crossed paths again in June 1992, at a charity gala held at the iconic Tavern on the Green restaurant in New York. Trump and his future wife, Marla Maples, accompanied Jackson as he collected an award for his efforts in helping economically disadvantaged children.

The Trump-Jackson acquaintance was at its strongest in 1994. In March that year, with a gruelling world tour and damaging child molestation accusations behind him, Jackson relocated to New York City to work on his next album, which became HIStory.

Jackson reportedly paid $110,000 a month to rent a four-bedroom apartment near the top of Trump Tower, high above Fifth Avenue in midtown Manhattan. The apartment, which offers spectacular views over Central Park, was put on the market earlier this year for a cool $23 million.

Jackson's friend, Frank Cascio, recalls the stay: "Michael's apartment at Trump was over the top, with dramatic views and gold fixtures in the bathrooms. On the second floor there were three bedrooms. He transformed one of them into a mini dance studio by having all the furniture removed and putting in a dance floor."

Jackson was living just a few floors below Trump's own $100m penthouse, where the pair would often spend time together. "He'd come into my apartment and we'd talk a lot about business," Trump said. "He was actually a very, very smart businessman."

One night, they went for dinner at Manhattan's Le Cirque restaurant. "It was as if he had never seen a menu before, and we carefully went over each item," Trump recalls.

"But what was most amazing were the looks on the distinguished faces in the room as they came over to our table practically begging for an autograph. These are people who had probably never asked for anyone's autograph before, and I can guarantee you, it was not easy for them to do. They would always start by saying, 'I have a son who is a big fan of yours, Mr Jackson. Could you give him an autograph'?

"But I believe it was for them, not their sons. One woman, one of the most socially prominent in New York, known for her attitude approached our table trying to look cool, then slightly tripped. She grabbed the table for support and asked in the same breath, 'Mr Jackson, can I have your autograph'? It was amazing to see this woman, whom I have known for years, so flustered and nervous."

Trump says he was surprised when Jackson told him he had a new girlfriend. "I congratulated him and asked, 'Who is it'? He was very shy and looked down into his napkin, then put the napkin over his face and said, 'Trump, Trump, I don't want to talk about it, I'm so embarrassed'. I chided him. When he finally looked up, he said that it was a girl named Lisa Marie [Presley, Elvis's only child]."

A couple of weeks later, Jackson asked his host if he could bring his new love interest to Trump's sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida. "We flew down in my plane together," Trump said. "On the flight down, he asked if it would be possible for his girlfriend to come over and stay. I said absolutely, I looked forward to meeting her. He said she would be arriving sometime around eight o'clock, about an hour after we got to the house."

Trump said that when Lisa Marie arrived, Jackson ran to the living room and greeted her with a hug, before they took off to look at the ocean. "When they came back, holding hands and hugging, they seemed very much in love," Trump said.

During their week-long stay, Jackson and Lisa Marie spent nearly every evening in a part of the mansion called the Grand Tower, and left the house together just once.

"He was up there one week with her, and he never came down, so I don't know what was going on, but they got along," Trump said.

"People often ask me whether or not the relationship was a sham and I give them an emphatic no. I can tell you, for at least a period of time, these two folks were really getting it on."

Jackson married Lisa Marie in a secret ceremony in the Dominican Republic in late May 1994, but they divorced 20 months later. Meanwhile, in December 1994 Jackson finally checked out of Trump Tower after a nine-month stay and returned to California to complete the HIStory album.

At this stage, it would have seemed like the two were good friends. But then Jackson decided to subtly include Trump in the lyrics of one of the HIStory album's tracks, 'Money', which is an attack on greed and ruthless and unethical individuals.

At one point the background vocals feature the words, 'If you want money, then earn it with dignity', before Jackson speaks the names of several American industrialists and business magnates, including Trump, Cornelius Vanderbilt, J. P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie and J. Paul Getty.

Somewhat surprisingly, the lyrics were subtle enough to avoid any major headlines in the media. It would appear that although the pair shared a business relationship, Michael's true feelings about Trump came to light through those lyrics.

But Brad Buxer, who worked on the song as a producer and musician, says there was never a falling out between the pair and that the lyrics were not meant as a personal attack on Trump.

"I was around Michael Jackson constantly, and we talked about everything," Buxer said. "There was no falling out between him and Donald Trump; Michael thought the world of him. Michael loved and greatly admired successful people, and was truly inspired by Trump."

One of the individuals Michael admired included Thomas Edison, an American inventor and businessman with links to Morgan, Vanderbilt and the controversial motor company founder Henry Ford, who Michael also once praised.

When discussing the notion of not giving up in the face of adversity in a recorded conversation with a friend in 2004, Michael said of Edison and Ford: "Some of the greatest men who have made their mark on this world were treated like that - you know, 'You're not gonna do it, you're not gonna get anywhere'.

"They laughed at the Wright brothers. They laughed at Thomas Edison. They made jokes about Henry Ford. They said he was ignorant. These men shaped and changed our culture, our customs, the way we live, the way we do things."

Either way, Jackson and Trump met again half a decade later, which would indicate that there was no fallout. Jackson called Trump when he was staying in New York to record his Invincible album, and invited the businessman and his partner Melania for dinner at the luxury Pierre Hotel.

Melania, who married Trump in 2005 and will become the next First Lady of United States, recalls how she hit it off with Jackson. Melania said: "Just after dinner, we were chatting on the sofa and my husband went into another room to see some art somebody wanted to show him. And Michael said to me, 'Hey, when Trump comes back, let's start kissing so he will be jealous'!" The two didn't kiss. "But we were laughing so hard," she says.

In 2004, Trump publically defended Jackson ahead of his child molestation trial. "I'm going to stick up for him, because nobody else is," Trump told Larry King. "But I don't believe it.

"He lived in Trump Tower. I knew what was happening with Michael Jackson. You know what was happening? Absolutely nothing. I had many people that worked for me in the building, and believe me, they would tell me if anything was wrong.

"And if you look at the mother of this young man [Gavin Arvizo], she has had plenty of experience at going after people. And she goes after them viciously and violently, and I saw a story and I read another story about some of the things she's done.

"It's tough to win [a trial]. But I have a feeling he is going to win."

Trump later reiterated his point, and said his young children were often in Jackson's company when he was living in Trump Tower in 1994. "Michael would spend a lot of time with my kids," Trump said. "Michael would come, play with the kids. He just loved children. He was not a child molester and I am certain of that. He'd play with my son Eric and my son Donald and he'd just play with them forever."

In February 2016, Trump was criticised by Jermaine Jackson after claiming Michael lost self-esteem due to "bad surgery".

Trump said: "He lost tremendous confidence because of, honestly, bad-bad-bad surgery. He had the worst. He had people that did numbers on him that were just unbelievable. Believe it or not, when you lose your confidence in something, you can even lose your talent."

But Trump also paid tribute to a man he called 'a friend'. Trump said: "He was an amazing guy, but beyond all else, he was the greatest entertainer I've ever known. He had magic. He was a genius. He was also a really good person, and when you got to know him, you realized how smart he was. He was brilliant.

"Now, Michael wasn't the same Michael for the last 10 years. He was not well. He had a lot of problems, a lot of difficulties. He was embarrassed by it. He was embarrassed by what was happening to him.

"But he's not going to be remembered for the last 10 years; he's going to be remembered for the first 35 years. Michael in his prime — there's never been anybody like him."
 
Why people keep connect Trump and Michael.... it's clear Michaels relationship with the Clintons ran much deeper!


Michael makes news no matter what the topic is.. lol
 
It pi**es me off that people keep connecting Trump to Michael, know that Trump is US President *cringe*. For many people who do not like / support Michael, this will throw even more shade on him ...

My guess. :(
 
I liked Trump before with his friendship with Michael, but ever since he runs for presidential election (which he now won and now president "Boo"), to he became such a jerk and uses Michael's name in wrong way, I don't even like him anymore.
 
I also recently read this article and I have to say that it is quite heartwarming and pretty funny in places - like the story about Trump and Michael at the restaurant in Manhattan with all the people asking for autographs...LOL, that's totally something I can picture happening!

I'm not going to comment on Trump's politics because I haven't followed it in great depth and I'm not American. Obviously reading the media superficially it looks extremely bad for Trump but as Michael's fans we of all people should know how the media can misrepresent things and relentlessly push a narrative that they want. I also cannot judge how much of what Trump says is his actual ideology or an image he's putting on to win votes.

But I do think from these stories and others that Trump was a true friend of Michael's. He has always supported and defended Michael in his times of need - probably more strongly than any other public personality. I mean some of these quotes are brilliant and powerful:

"He lived in Trump Tower. I knew what was happening with Michael Jackson. You know what was happening? Absolutely nothing. I had many people that worked for me in the building, and believe me, they would tell me if anything was wrong."

"Michael would come, play with the kids. He just loved children. He was not a child molester and I am certain of that. He'd play with my son Eric and my son Donald and he'd just play with them forever."

"And if you look at the mother of this young man [Gavin Arvizo], she has had plenty of experience at going after people. And she goes after them viciously and violently, and I saw a story and I read another story about some of the things she's done." This shows that Trump even went so far as to do research on and read about the Arvizos. He's talking about this and using his public platform to bring real details of the case to the attention of public in order to try to convince people that Michael is innocent - in essence he's defending Michael in a way that fans would. I think this shows he was genuinely invested in the case and Michael's suffering - that's the mark of a real friend.

Who else, including some of Michael's family, has said such convincing and unequivocal things about Michael, especially when he was alive?

I don't think Trump has ever said anything about Michael which is offensive. Even the furore over his comments earlier this year about the bad surgery, you can tell that he is saying that in a context of complete sympathy for Michael and IMO it may well be true.

Also, I remember that after Michael's death, when Trump (along with lots of other people) was being interviewed he once again reiterated that he was certain Michael was not a child molester and said something like "the last 10 years have been hard for him, but if I ever needed him for anything he would always be there" which I presume refers to functions and charity events. This is very different to what most celebs/public figures said about Michael in 2009. Most of them had ignored Michael for more than a decade, and then came out with some shallow platitudes about how great he was after his death, and always steered clear of the controversies. Whereas, as you would expect from a real friend, Trump is not afraid to confront the controversial topics head on but takes the opportunity to stress the truth about the allegations and how Michael was stronger than them.

I agree with the article that probably Michael and Trump related to and admired each other because they were both people driven for success and probably because like Trump says Michael had great interest in business (just like he was interested in so many intellectual pursuits outside music) and was a shrewd businessman.

I don't know how Trump's presidency will go down - I think everything's very uncertain right now. I hope though that Trump's friendship with Michael reflects something of where his true heart is regarding tolerance of racial and social diversity.
 
It may come as a shock to Jackson's daughter Paris that her father spent a significant amount of time in Trump's company in the 1990s, with Trump going so far as to call Jackson "a very good friend of mine".

Why are they singling out Paris here? >.> Something about this just kinda rubs me the wrong way...

Good article, though I still don't trust Trump at all. I do think it's good that he stuck up for Michael and saw through the media's bullshit during the allegations.
 
Because Paris talked about Trump (on twitter), the other two kids didn't (I think).

Ah, I see... I wondered if that was the case. I don't follow the kids on any social media so I had no idea.
 
Paris is brought up as she has been vocal about her disapproval of Trump on social media.
 
Let's all not forget that Michael called Trump out in Money. I don't believe Mike counted Trump as a close friend. That one line shows that Mike saw through Trumps facade. And honestly, when was Mike running around gushing over Trump?
 
If MJ mentions a list of names after singing about 'making money with dignity', aren't those list of names people who did just that?
 
One thing that has just occurred to me is that Trump being president may protect Michael against any future large smear campaigns in the media that Robson et al may want to put out. Because if anything gets stoked up big it's pretty likely that Trump will comment on it via Twitter and given that he categorically believes MJ is innocent he'll roundly denounce it and that will help people see through lies in the media.
 
Trump is not popular at all and not respected by many, many people, so him saying anything about the Robson case in support of MJ would probably only make people support Robson - just to be anti-Trump. Plus a president's task is not to get involved in such matters. It wouldn't reflect well on Michael at all. Also MJ does not need help from Trump. I really hope he stays out of it and never comments on it. It would be all wrong on too many levels. That's not his job as the President of the United States.

Sorry I probably didn't express my point very well. I didn't mean that Trump should come out and show public support for MJ in the Robson case and that that would help Michael. My point is that, from what I've seen one of the biggest problems MJ has is the viral spread of these completely false stories (like we saw in June 2016) in the media and those refuting them/trying to voice the truth cannot be heard - the media prints these stories and there are never any refutations, counterarguments or corrections printed afterwards. So what I wanted to say was that, if things did get really out of hand with the smear campaigns in the media - especially as the case gets closer to trial and Robson gets more desperate - it might be helpful to have a check and balance there - someone to say 'hey this is completely false - the actual truth is...' and who will be heard (the fact is Trump does have huge reach on social media). That might make some in the media think twice about perpetuating lies and maybe think about printing alternative viewpoints. And people won't then be left just believing the stories. Of course I don't expect at all (and certainly hope not) for things to get that bad and reach that stage where the President is commenting.
 
Don't you see how utterly unpopular/divisive Trump is in the media and by a large segment of the population? So your hope that he is the man who could change public perception about MJ in a positive direction by showing support to him is very misplaced IMO. He may have a big reach on social media but he has no credibility whatsover in most people's eyes. If anything he would make things worse for MJ and I don't think MJ is in need of support by a person who cannot put together a coherent sentence if his life depended on it and who, to a large segment of the population, is known for making stupid and ridiculous comments. Not to mention the lawsuits of sexual abuse pending against Trump himself. If anything it would harm more than do any good. And also it is not something the President should get involved in, anyway. I would hate it if the Robson case got entered into the center of some big political circus.

I'm not saying that there should be support from Trump and that will change public perception about MJ. I'm saying that as the Robson case comes to a head if there are ridiculous stories put out that make a big splash in the mainstream media and create a big media circus, at least there may be someone willing to call out the media (which Trump does do a lot whether rightly or wrongly) so that opposing viewpoints can get through. It's the same as what the family or Estate (sometimes) try to do when they put out statements except they are often not heard. I don't see how that would be detrimental to Michael. I think that press irresponsibility and slander is an issue relevant for the President to consider and the President does have a responsibility to protect his citizens' rights.
 
Last edited:
I would not read much into this Trump defended MJ during those times; and in truth, people liked Trump. Many blacks liked Trump until he did the "birther" movement on President Obama and many were even shocked he did that to President Obama. That was when the like for Trump started to turn and now it is worst. So it is not surprise that MJ dealt with Trump as many people did (even the Clintons and many others who are upset about him being president). Like Steve Harvey said, "I will go to golf course but I will never vote for him as President. We all know someone who we may like because they are silly acting and say stupid things but we will never vote for them to be President. That is the same with Trump. I will say Trump got the media on blast (although I do not think they are harming Trump like he claim, it is clear that Trump is causing a lot of this drama on himself) and I think that will work even more in the favor of people like Michael and keep the media in check when talking about Michael.
 
Trump's got the media on blast for all the wrong reasons-we've spent his first two days in office with him arguing that his audience at the inauguration was as big or bigger than Obama's in 2009. Who cares? He argues with them over the most superficial things.

He talked to the CIA about the attendance at the inauguration. WTH? His press secretary lambasted the press for it and went on and on. Today the morning political shows Kellyanne Conway yapped about it over and over. STUPID.

If he has this much problem with something superficial like this, we are in for big problems once there are real decisions to be talked about-like Cabinet appointments and administrative orders.
 
Trump is not the right person to do any of this when he has no credibility in many people's eyes, let alone the media's. He wouldn't get through any opposing viewpoints either - he would simply drag MJ into a political mess that MJ or the case the doesn't need at all and that would bring all the bad associations and bad PR on MJ.

As for the media, Trump is not the only person who can point out unethical behaviour by the media - there are more credible and more reasonable people to do that. Trump's recent fighting of the media doesn't come from a good and honest place. And it is not like Trump is some champion of truth when he himself spread around many fake news as well. His fight against the media is simply that he doesn't want to be criticized by the media. He is not championing anything else when he is pretty dishonest himself. So once again, him dragging MJ into this dishonest fight is not something that would reflect on MJ in a good way.

I am not sure you are really aware of the public image Trump has in these issues. None of that would help MJ. We cannot be that desperate that we hope the improvement of MJ's public image from a man like Trump (who has a VERY bad public image and very little credibility), can we?

I totally agree that there are better people to point out unethical behaviour by the media, and I wish there are more people in the relevant positions who would institute some change in the area of press regulation to help people like MJ whose lives are ruined by dishonest media. I know that Trump has a controversial public image but I mention him because he is the President, he has the official office, therefore the place for official censure of press irresponsibility that might make an actual difference. To give an analogy, it's like here in the UK, the press cannot publish all stories/pictures of the royal family because they have a degree of official/legal protection - the government will not let the head of state be trashed in the media. I'm not by any means suggesting that MJ should have this sort of protection, but some official censure of dishonest press activity would not be remiss and IMO it would not reflect badly on MJ.
 
One thing that has just occurred to me is that Trump being president may protect Michael against any future large smear campaigns in the media that Robson et al may want to put out. Because if anything gets stoked up big it's pretty likely that Trump will comment on it via Twitter and given that he categorically believes MJ is innocent he'll roundly denounce it and that will help people see through lies in the media.

Oh God no.
That would be horrible for Michael's legacy/name.
With all the things that Trump himself has said and done that wouldn't be a good idea at all.
As it is I'm hoping trump doesn't decide to name drop Michael in any interviews, say anything stupid about him, etc.
 
^ Fighting for censorship of the press in MJ's name again would be something that would reflect very badly on him and would attach his name to something that most probably wouldn't seem right to most people and most people would view as anti-democratic and anti-freedom.

I know that the press often abuses the freedom of speech by deliberately lying and spreading misinformation and manipulating the masses. But censorship is not the answer. The answer is more in things like making it more difficult to them to hide behind dubious laws like the Shield Law and spreading lies based on questionable anonymous "sources", for example. And more accountability for what they write. As it stands now it is almost impossible to successfully sue a journalist despite of obvious lies - because of laws like the Shield Law. I think that's where things should be done, but again, I don't think the solution is in Trump's hands. He is so controversial and divisive and so not credible in most people's eyes that I don't think him championing anything for MJ is a good idea and I hope he keeps MJ's name out of his mouth.

I didn't say anything about censorship. I said official censure (which means criticism), which I don't think there's anything wrong with. I agree the key is the Shield Law or in cases of criminal allegations/proceedings on sensitive issues like abuse, perhaps dual anonymity for accusers and defendants until a trial or verdict. This is something that Cliff Richard (amongst others) are currently campaigning for in the UK, after also having false accusations of child sex abuse against him which although were dropped without charge after 2 years has resulted in his reputation being dragged through mud. Actually reading his descriptions of his ordeal, it is genuinely harrowing - I can only imagine how much worse it was for MJ.
 
I didn't say anything about censorship. I said official censure (which means criticism), which I don't think there's anything wrong with. I agree the key is the Shield Law or in cases of criminal allegations/proceedings on sensitive issues like abuse, perhaps dual anonymity for accusers and defendants until a trial or verdict. This is something that Cliff Richard (amongst others) are currently campaigning for in the UK, after also having false accusations of child sex abuse against him which although were dropped without charge after 2 years has resulted in his reputation being dragged through mud. Actually reading his descriptions of his ordeal, it is genuinely harrowing - I can only imagine how much worse it was for MJ.

Most reasonable people don't assume something is true just because the Dear Leader said so on Twitter. It's not the President's job to weigh in on celebrity scandals.

Besides, Donald Trump has a long and troubling history regarding sexual assault allegations himself. Read this excellent and detailed report by the NYT for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html. He bragged on tape about how he can get away with groping women between their legs or kissing them without consent because he's a celebrity. It's part of the reason hundreds of thousands of women protested against him yesterday. This is not the kind of person you want defending MJ in this case.

I don't see how repealing shield laws will do much to stop dishonest media. Most tabloids are skillful enough to avoid law suits by using "allegedly" every other sentence so they can't be sued for slander or libel. Unless you think the media must mention their sources by name every time they report something, which is a severe infringement on the Freedom of the Press. It would hamper investigative reporting enormously. Anyway, shield laws are not enacted on the federal level so there is nothing President Trump can do about it.

The dual anonimity law sounds more reasonable but that has downsides as well. It makes it more difficult for victims to file a class action lawsuit or even come forward if they are not aware of other victims. And for major scandals like MJ's, I'm not sure it would be a sufficient deterrent for the press because the rewards for breaking the news are likely more than any fine they have to pay.

I think the best way to deal with the "fake news" problem in the future is through education. I remember in my last year of secondary school, we had an extensive course on the media in civics class and we learnt how to take a sceptical approach to it. It helped me a lot. Whenever I read an article I still check for the author and his/her background, what kind of publication it came from, how often words like allegedly and supposedly are used, what motivation the author might have had to write this, etc. A lot of fake news and tabloid articles are easy to dismiss this way because they're so obviously false or biased. Even then, some people will still choose to believe something regardless of the facts but that's life.
 
LindavG;4182165 said:
Most reasonable people don't assume something is true just because the Dear Leader said so on Twitter. It's not the President's job to weigh in on celebrity scandals.

I never said that Trump should weigh in on the Robson case or start giving opinions like ‘Wade Robson is a liar’ etc. While potentially funny that certainly that would be a bad idea and not appropriate for a President.

I think though that it’s a bit disingenuous to reduce what Michael suffered and continues to suffer to ‘a celebrity scandal’. It was years of persecution and defamation by a media establishment looking to make money from his suffering. And this sort of media behaviour is an institutional issue that is present in both the US and UK (see recent media coverage of historic child sex abuse inc. case of Cliff Richard which I mentioned before). So IMO this (the conduct of the media) is a legitimate interest and concern for a President, whoever he/she is. Just because the victims are celebrities, doesn’t mean they are fair game - MJ was still a citizen of the USA and has the right to expect lawmakers to do something about abuse of his rights. To be honest any President should be interested in speaking out/taking action against this kind of injustice. The only specific thing relating to Trump is that he may have an additional incentive because MJ was a personal friend.

LindavG;4182165 said:
Besides, Donald Trump has a long and troubling history regarding sexual assault allegations himself. Read this excellent and detailed report by the NYT for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/u...ump-women.html. He bragged on tape about how he can get away with groping women between their legs or kissing them without consent because he's a celebrity. It's part of the reason hundreds of thousands of women protested against him yesterday. This is not the kind of person you want defending MJ in this case.

I totally understand why fans might not want Trump to defend MJ because of concerns about the negative image or association. I agree, at this point in time I wouldn’t want Trump to mention MJ either. But IMO it’s all about the severity of the situation. I don’t know how the Robson trial and its media reception is going to pan out but if it’s even anything like the 1993 allegations or 2005 trial, I will say I would rather have a President able to check the media to some extent than no one do anything and let MJ’s reputation be dragged through mud again.

We cannot be that desperate that we hope the improvement of MJ's public image from a man like Trump (who has a VERY bad public image and very little credibility), can we?

It’s not about being desperate for an improvement in MJ’s public image, it’s about being pleased that he might have a safety net from authorities, which he is entitled to and has been missing for far too long.
 
I really don't like when people keep tying the two together.. on the other hand let Trump bluntly speak about how Michael was a great guy etc. I'll take the good from it
 
Trump makes so much sense, and seems genuine and honourable at times.

But then there's clearly this other side of him.
 
and I don't think MJ is in need of support by a person who cannot put together a coherent sentence if his life depended on it and who, to a large segment of the population, is known for making stupid and ridiculous comments. .

This :)
 
Back
Top