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    You can't prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the ones making the positive claim. There's no footage of him recording those songs, he filmed everything since the Thriller era.

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    SmoothMJ - have a read of this if you're interested: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/th...ghlight=Cassio
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    I'm confused though.

    When am I allowed to believe what the family say, and when not?

    Having read various comments on this forum, for many years, it's not exactly clear.

    I believe MJ had a hand in all of these songs, although not 100% of course. Believing that, they are part of Michael's catalogue of work as far as I am concerned. As much as any other unfinished/part completed work.
    Here's a small hint, 'when you listen to those 3 abominations, that voice that sounds absolutely nothing like Michael Jackson? Yeah that ain't him. I don't think anyone really believes its him at this point including Sony or the estate.

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    I simply cannot fathom how these songs could be linked to Michael Jackson in any way.

    Nowhere else in Michael's known catalog has he shown himself to be as thematically inconsistent, lyrically incompetent, and musically/melodically purloined as the Cascio recordings exhibit. He certainly created some underwhelming and subjectively "bad" songs in his lifetime, but they are at the very least competent. I cannot believe that for three months in 2007, Michael suddenly lost his creative instinct and thought to himself, "I'm going to co-wrote and record twelve songs that aren't only retreads of superior songs in my catalog, but directly reference them! We'll reuse the chords and beat to 'Stranger in Moscow'! We'll sing a few lines of 'Heaven Can Wait'! We'll repurpose the melody to 'On the Line!' We'll recreate the sudden mid-song tempo/genre change from 'Morphine'!"

    SmoothMJ, you're correct that we can't prove that Michael WASN'T involved with the twelve songs... but doesn't that lack of evidence make you suspicious? These tracks are the only songs in Michael's catalog that we cannot directly link to him. The alternate vocal takes were apparently deleted, the handwritten studio session notes never emerged, Michael never discussed these collaborations with anyone he worked with afterwards, none of them were listed as tracks he intended to finish once in London...

    The lack of evidence is telling. We would have seen something if there was anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    I'm confused though.

    When am I allowed to believe what the family say, and when not?

    Having read various comments on this forum, for many years, it's not exactly clear.

    I believe MJ had a hand in all of these songs, although not 100% of course. Believing that, they are part of Michael's catalogue of work as far as I am concerned. As much as any other unfinished/part completed work.
    I'm not here to beat you down that it isn't him, but I always just figured that it was obvious it wasn't/isn't him from the time you hit play on the songs.


    Edit: Those vocals sound more like this than they sound like Michael.

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    Some things in life are so obvious that you don't need any proof. That is the case with Michael not signing on Cascio tracks. I don't understand how any MJ fan unless if they are new fans can claim that Michael is signing on the Cascio tracks. It's quite obvious after listening to those tracks once that those songs are sung by an imposer and not Michael. Michael had a very distinct and unique voice which can be imitated but never duplicated. Michael doesn't sign on the Cascio tracks and we don't any evidence to prove that. It should be quite obvious to every Michael Jackson fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I simply cannot fathom how these songs could be linked to Michael Jackson in any way.
    Thats all I have to say too.



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    Oh no...

    Here we go again...
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Ahess/videos - me dancing MJ - many years ago.

    I would be really glad if you rated or/and commented the videos. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    There are absolutely no FACTS, from birchey or anyone else, that Michael had NOTHING to do with these songs.
    I mean, the fact Michael wasn't even at the house when they said the songs were recorded, and the fact they changed their story a million times isn't at all sketchy, nope. The hard drive that had the "deleted files" on it actually never being used once isn't sketchy either, and the fact that the estate's statement was total fabrication also doesn't raise a few eyebrows, nope, this stuff usually happens.
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    I believe Michael had enough to do with these songs in order for his friends to put them forward as his work.

    You're all trying convince me that MJ never created anything whilst spending all that time with these people? His friends who were interested in music, and he didn't write a single lyric? That would be most unlike him as he was creating most of his waking life.

    Sorry I'm not convinced that these are 100% not Michael. He's in them to some degree.

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    P.S.

    I'm not just talking about the vocals, and I'm only talking about 3 songs, not 12.

    Just to be clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow White luvs Peter Pan View Post
    You can't prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the ones making the positive claim. There's no footage of him recording those songs, he filmed everything since the Thriller era.
    I don't think that works in this case. How would someone be able to prove something? The songs appeared on a Michael Jackson album so I think the burden of proof lies on someone who says that they are fake. I don't personally know if they are fake or not. I don't have opinion about it. I just don't listen the songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus123 View Post
    I don't think that works in this case. How would someone be able to prove something? The songs appeared on a Michael Jackson album so I think the burden of proof lies on someone who says that they are fake. I don't personally know if they are fake or not. I don't have opinion about it. I just don't listen the songs.
    But surely that tells you something? If you don't listen to then it's either because you don't think they're Michael or because they're terrible songs.

    (or both!)

    And all this stuff about proof is crazy, anyone with ears knows it's not his voice. It's like proving the sky is blue, it just is.

    I reckon he may have had something to do with them as in, they found a few scribble lyrics or someone remembers him singing them once or twice. But are we listrning to Michael Jackson recordings? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    P.S.

    I'm not just talking about the vocals, and I'm only talking about 3 songs, not 12.

    Just to be clear.
    Saying 3 of the songs have anything to do with Michael but the rest don't is illogical. Either they're all him, as the Cascios claim. Or none of them are. All the songs were delivered by the Cascios to Sony, Cascios claimed all songs were recorded in the same span of time, at the same house. The three that were released aren't any different from the others, they all came from the Cascios and the three that were released just happened to be picked. That doesn't somehow make them different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    I believe Michael had enough to do with these songs in order for his friends to put them forward as his work.

    You're all trying convince me that MJ never created anything whilst spending all that time with these people? His friends who were interested in music, and he didn't write a single lyric? That would be most unlike him as he was creating most of his waking life.

    Sorry I'm not convinced that these are 100% not Michael. He's in them to some degree.
    The story as presented is that the songs were written for Michael to record. MJ never wrote these songs.

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