Last edited by Galactus123; 15-04-2017 at 03:28 PM.
I feel like the reason they show some songs on obviously 2 or 3 different days is because they wanted to show us the entire number-instead of footage of lots of stops and starts. The best thing about TII is that it showed Michael committed and focused and into performing again-he may not have wanted to do it originally, as he didn't want to do Victory Tour either, but once he was in, he was all in and committed.
It winds me up when fans act like MJ was falling to pieces during the TII rehearsals.
There is literally no evidence to support that, other than tabloid propaganda.
I'm not saying that he was in perfect health, to me, he looked very underweight and needed to bulk up badly. But no amount of "clever editing" can change the actual footage itself...
You talk as if he was too frail to do a moonwalk and yet on his performance of Beat It, he twice throws himself down on the stage floor and waves his legs in the air. I don't know many fifty year olds who can do that.
MJ resorted to a teleprompter in his 2001 MSG Shows because of his very bad mental condition also at that time.
Remember also that (like ‘This Is It’) he was heavily drugged up right before (& during) those MSG shows. That was confirmed by various reliable sources (including the producer of those shows, David Guest).
Also, aside MJ’s initial reluctance in both cases, I think all the other circumstances (between Victory & This Is It) were diametrically different.
MJ was his own boss (during the Victory Tour era), whereas during the ‘This Is It’ era was totally being controlled/manipulated.
One example: MJ even changed, of his own volition, the odd, elaborate ticket system (mail order) when a little girl from Texas complained. During the This Is It era, MJ was not even able to control the number of the dates of his upcoming concerts.
I think this comes down to the fact that they want to retain a good recollection of their idol’s final moments. To a certain extent, I can understand that.
Last edited by MattyJam; 16-04-2017 at 10:34 AM.
Okay, so what we can see here is the fact that opinions are divided. Some argue Michael was in good shape and no evidence was found that proved otherwise, both mentally and physically. Others claim that clues we consider a sign of good mental and physical health, might actually be edited or not show reality.
I think it's safe to say that it wasn't a case of black or white, but merely a combination of both. In some ways Michael was healthy (to a certain extent) and in some ways he might have been worse off then we are guided to believe according to the This Is It footage.
The commercial release of TII footage does not provide evidence to conclude that Michael was either in a bad or good shape. Therefore, we can only rely on accounts of other people. But then again, we might also question their reliability.
One thing is for sure, what truly happened behind the scenes is something we might never find out about, unless we get to see all the footage there is. In that case, everybody can see for themselves and make up their mind of the reliability with regard to the image of Michael as presented in the commercial release of TII.
Didn't the autopsy also show that MJ was in great shape for a 50 year old?
Love to see any 50 year olds on here perform like MJ did - edited or not.
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I personally think MJ would have been ready for the 02. He wanted to do these shows. He probably had good days and bad days. But when Kenny doubted him, he proved on those final 2 nights that when he wanted to , he could perform. The more I think about it and from evidence in the civil trial emails- MJ must have felt pressure from Kenny, as he didn't have to contractually be at every rehearsal. I don't usually believe what CM says but I think there was a bit of truth in that MJ disliked Ortega due to pressure . Kenny was probably thinking MJ could pull out of the tour. Remember when MJ is in rehearsal mode he would only go 50 to 60% anyways. MJ was 50 and had been performing his whole life, probably bored of doing it again as he knew the routines. I think they edited TII in that way to use other footage , saving the best for later editions. Lets wait for the anniversary and see those final nights in their entirity. The evidence from his autopsy also said he was in good health for a 50 year old man.
This was from an interview from TII dancer Kyrss Grant about the TII movie " The release of This Is It also inspired mixed emotions. At the time of release he gave an interview saying he would wait for the DVD. Today he says he still finds it difficult to watch. He is also bemused by some of the choices that were made regarding what was and wasn't included. "It's funny because those bits you see, he's not doing the full out still. There were times where he was really, really doing it, like full out. There are a lot of things that weren't shown in This Is It. I really don't know why that stuff was left out."
Last edited by mjawb2009; 16-04-2017 at 11:10 PM.
I could address many facts/testimonies (non tabloid propaganda) that have come to light & prove that MJ was in very bad health during those rehearsals, even unable to operate on a basic, intellectual level. But, I am afraid it is completely pointless.
Finally, needless to say, you make the same mistake by forming your opinion on some bits & pieces that officially aired (like that ‘Beat It’ part from ‘This Is It’).
So, I think it is a sheer waste of time trying to change their wrong opinions.
^Facts and testimonies don't seem to matter, you are correct, anyone who didn't say MJ was amazing (I don't think anybody did even say that) is apparently exaggerating.
I would be really glad if you rated or/and commented the videos. Thanks