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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Things obviously weren't all sunshine and roses during MJ's final days, but when I watch This Is It I see nothing questionable about his health there. He didn't look like he was at deaths door to me.
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    Did MJ's Propofol intake negatively effect his performance? I would say yes obviously as it is a heavy sedative and should not have been used at all. But I believe he used it on the History tour in Munich and France 97 and he seemed ok. Would he have most side effects in the morning after waking? I think this may have been why he had symptoms of being chilled and his condition on the 19th. It was his condition that IMO scared Murray into action (lowering Propofol dose) - if you believe his statement, (it shouldn't have taken Murray that long to realise this). It's suprising that MJ did as well as he did.
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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    Things obviously weren't all sunshine and roses during MJ's final days, but when I watch This Is It I see nothing questionable about his health there. He didn't look like he was at deaths door to me.
    Once again, he was using stimulants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    Once again, he was using stimulants.
    You think MJ was the first artist to take stimulants!?

    I'd be surprised if you could name one artist who hasn't used something before performing. Heard the latest about Prince?

    Good god you do talk some nonsense.

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    ^Facts and testimonies don't seem to matter, you are correct, anyone who didn't say MJ was amazing (I don't think anybody did even say that) is apparently exaggerating.
    "Facts and testimonies", my arse.

    As usual, you get to decide which testimonies are "facts" and which are not? I don't think so. Not for me.

    You conspiracy theorists must be eaten up inside now millions of people have visual testimony of how well MJ was doing, as well as conclusive proof, via an autopsy, of the fact Michael was doing well for a man of his age.

    Michael would still be with us today had CM done his job properly. Needing something to help you sleep, and then something to pick you up, doesn't make you incapable or on death's door, otherwise we would have no rock/pop stars alive.

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    "Facts and testimonies", my arse.

    As usual, you get to decide which testimonies are "facts" and which are not? I don't think so. Not for me.

    You conspiracy theorists must be eaten up inside now millions of people have visual testimony of how well MJ was doing, as well as conclusive proof, via an autopsy, of the fact Michael was doing well for a man of his age.

    Michael would still be with us today had CM done his job properly. Needing something to help you sleep, and then something to pick you up, doesn't make you incapable or on death's door, otherwise we would have no rock/pop stars alive.
    This is going nowhere. Also, not this crap again
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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    "Facts and testimonies", my arse.

    As usual, you get to decide which testimonies are "facts" and which are not? I don't think so. Not for me.

    You conspiracy theorists must be eaten up inside now millions of people have visual testimony of how well MJ was doing, as well as conclusive proof, via an autopsy, of the fact Michael was doing well for a man of his age.

    Michael would still be with us today had CM done his job properly. Needing something to help you sleep, and then something to pick you up, doesn't make you incapable or on death's door, otherwise we would have no rock/pop stars alive.

    I'm amazed at how some fans act when people disagree with them.
    There is no conspiracy theory that people in this thread are bringing up.
    The facts are that Michael needed a powerful drug, propofol, a drug only to be used in a hospital setting, just to sleep.
    The facts are that in addition to this, he had several other drugs within his system.
    The facts are that there are audio recordings of him clearly under the influence of drugs.
    The facts are that Kenny Ortega grew concerned for his condition due to his frail appearance and incoherence during the June 19th rehearsal.

    So was he ready to begin a 50 show comeback?
    No.

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    I do think KO was being slightly overboard though. Yes MJ was in a bad state on June 19th but if things were as bad as Kenny said, how was he able to have better rehearsals at the Staples Center. I think MJ with reduced Propofol could perform better. Kenny was thinking as well about his own reputation if the show was a failure. Why would he put so much pressure on MJ weeks before in early June? It wasn't about MJ's health then, it was about his attendance at rehearsal. MJ didn't like to rehearse for the History tour , for example. If MJ was a no show to rehearsals it would reflect badly on Oretga.
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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Some of you are as bad as the tabloids. According to them he was 'washed up' in the mid 80's, he was 'dying' in the 90's, 'suicidal' in the early 2000's. Now according to some of you, he wasn't even capable of doing 50 shows in one location - despite the biggest motivation of all, his children.

    Michael proved the critics wrong for 30 odd years, and he would have proved smoothGangsta and the other naysayers wrong as well, given the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjawb2009 View Post
    I do think KO was being slightly overboard though. Yes MJ was in a bad state on June 19th but if things were as bad as Kenny said, how was he able to have better rehearsals at the Staples Center. I think MJ with reduced Propofol could perform better. Kenny was thinking as well about his own reputation if the show was a failure. Why would he put so much pressure on MJ weeks before in early June? It wasn't about MJ's health then, it was about his attendance at rehearsal. MJ didn't like to rehearse for the History tour , for example. If MJ was a no show to rehearsals it would reflect badly on Oretga.
    I don`t know why you blame Ortega. He was really the one who has MJ`s best interest in sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annita View Post
    I don`t know why you blame Ortega. He was really the one who has MJ`s best interest in sense.
    I don't blame Ortega , I think he did think of MJ's needs. I do think that everybody had their own agenda aswell though. The pressure of the tour effected everybody.

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    This is going nowhere. Also, not this crap again
    The very same crap by the very same users.

    I think we should not really be surprised anymore by what these fans say (on that matter).

    Also, it is really funny that one of the few sane voices in this community (like you) is constantly being called “naysayer”, or a “conspiracy theorist” (or whatever else) for just stating the obvious (but unpleasant) facts regarding MJ’s final days.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjawb2009 View Post
    I think MJ with reduced Propofol could perform better.
    There was no way for MJ to reduce the amount of Propofol that he was taking during the preparation for his ‘This Is It’ shows.

    Remember, for example, Debbie Rowe’s testimony (when she testified under oath as a witness) about MJ’s “very low pain tolerance”. Keep in mind that Propofol is used also as a strong painkiller, & MJ used that drug also for that purpose.

    Taking these powerful drugs leads to a vicious circle with fatal consequences. The more you take them, the more increased dosages you need (each new time).

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothMJ View Post
    Now according to some of you, he wasn't even capable of doing 50 shows in one location - despite the biggest motivation of all, his children.
    According to some of us?

    MJ himself knew that very well (that he was not capable of so many shows). For that reason, he never gave his consent to those 50 'This Is It' shows.

    This also explains why everything related to the promotion of the ‘This Is It’ concerts (posters, official websites, etc) stated at that time categorically “10 shows”.

    Honestly, I can hardly keep a straight face while reading some of the comments here (about MJ being “alert, in control and fully capable of performing”, or “there is literally no evidence to support that, other than tabloid propaganda”, or “people have visual testimony of how well MJ was doing”, & so on).

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    ^Although in general I agree with you and appreciate your comments, MJ did indeed agree to something like 30 shows with the possibility of it being extended if AEG desired.

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    Guys that's enough now, no need for the attacks. Back on topic please.

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    Default Re: What would you ask MJ based on his performances in This Is It

    IMO the entire problem with the convo is that both sides sometimes tend to go to far.
    For example, Michael obviously wasn't in perfect health, but he definitely wasn't about to drop dead either, and I'm sure that the true answer is somewhere in between.

    So while I think it's odd for someone to say Michael was as fit as a fiddle at the time I also side eye people that act as if he was falling apart at the seams too.

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