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    Default RS-IV:Quincy-jones-on-the-making-of-michael-jacksons-bad-

    Rolling Stone and Q. Jones seems to be a perfect team to downplay Michaels work

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/fe...ns-bad-w500107

    Quincy Jones Looks Back on the Making of Michael Jackson's 'Bad'

    "I thought it was time for him to do a very honest album," producer says of 1987 smash that spawned "Man in the Mirror" and four other Number Ones

    By Elias Leight

    Quincy Jones had already built an exceptional, prolific and wide-ranging career in multiple genres by the time he met Michael Jackson. He toured with Dizzy Gillespie, arranged Frank Sinatra's "Fly Me to the Moon" and Ray Charles' Genius + Soul = Jazz, led his own groups, scored films and TV shows, and showcased his knack for pop-leaning production on records like Big Maybelle's "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" and a string of four consecutive Top Five singles for Lesley Gore in 1963 and 1964.


    Jones brought all this training to bear on his work with Jackson, and the pair become one of the most important duos in the history of pop. Between 1979 and 1987, Jackson released Off the Wall, Thriller and Bad, a hat trick of Jones-produced albums that sold countless millions of copies and scored 17 Top 10 hits, including nine Number Ones, in the U.S. In honor of Thursday's 30th anniversary of Bad, Jones spoke with Rolling Stone about his work on the historic LP.

    Did you and Michael talk about a vision for Bad before you started working?
    That's not the way it works. You go song by song. The songs are the power. They take it home. From what I learned, the melody is the voice of God. That's what you look for. I have never ever in my life made records for money or fame. That's how you blow it. 'Cause God walks out of the room if you're going after money. And you don't know how to go after money – it doesn't work like that. You have to go with your first intuition. If there's anything I've learned at age 84, it's how little we have to do with most things. It's divine intervention.

    People get into their own opinions about I, me, my, those perspectives on making records. It doesn't work like that, man. It's we, us, they – team, all the time. The more you get involved in that team, the better the project's going to be. It's an amazing process. I've been doing it a long time. But all the way back to when I did Lesley Gore in the Sixties, the least-favorite records of mine were ones at Numbers Two, Six and 11. You ever hear anybody say I got a Top Six record? A Top 11 record? Nuh-uh. And if it's Number Two, you want to be Number One.

    How do you assemble a great team?
    I had a superstar team way before I even worked with Michael. Jerry Hey, Rod Temperton, Bruce Swedien, Greg Phillinganes – that was way before Michael. These cats are the best in the world.

    I'm not guessing. One of the responsibilities of a producer is to know what's best at everything. A producer's job is hard, man. It really is. When you get your team all involved going in the same direction, that's when you make great records.

    And it takes total loyalty to the songs. All my musicians think that way. Even if it's not their song, they've got something to add to it. Like, remember James Ingram's "One Hundred Ways?" I had tried to record that with George Benson. But it didn't have a C section, and that's what stopped me for George. For James, Rod went into another room and in an hour he wrote a C section. He didn't put his name on it, didn't ask for any credits. That's the kind of dedication you have to have, or God will not answer the phone.

    How do you know what's best for the team or an artist?
    My experience in the business. I started with big bands, gospel quartets, bebop – I was a stone-cold bebop junkie. That was a revolutionary movement. I've been out here 70 years. It's a long time. You gotta hope you can make all the mistakes you can so you learn. If you don't make mistakes you don't learn a thing. I made all the mistakes. All of 'em. But by the time I got to Michael, I'd already made 'em all. I was 50 when I did Thriller. I did Sinatra at 29 years old.

    How did you pick songs for Bad?
    I'll tell you how it was. On Off the Wall, Michael wrote "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough," he wrote "Working Day and Night," and I got him to write a part of "Get on the Floor" with Louis Johnson – 'cause that was the middle of the Brothers Johnson kicking ass. On Thriller, he did "Beat It" – that was the last one we got – "The Girl Is Mine," "Billie Jean" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin.'"

    All the turmoil [in his life] was starting to mount up, so I said I thought it was time for him to do a very honest album writing all the songs. I suggested that for Bad. He did all but two songs. I made a mistake on the duet with him and Stevie ["Just Good Friends," written by Terry Britten and Graham Lyle]. That didn't work. But "Man in the Mirror" sure worked. Siedah [Garrett] was one of my 13 songwriters. I had a meeting to ask them for an international kind of anthem to make yourself a better person. And she wrote "Man in the Mirror" with [Glen] Ballard. That did not stop. That baby did it. It was the biggest song from the album. And they were all big – we had five Number One records.

    Quincy Jones Looks Back on the Making of Michael Jackson's 'Bad'

    "I thought it was time for him to do a very honest album," producer says of 1987 smash that spawned "Man in the Mirror" and four other Number Ones
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    Default Re: RS-IV:Quincy-jones-on-the-making-of-michael-jacksons-bad-

    That was a great article. Interesting to read.

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    Another song I could hear Stevie and MJ dueting on is Leave Me Alone! I can hear how it would have suited Stevie's voice. Oh what if...

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    It was an interesting read, but Quincy really doesn't do himself any favors with the way he talks about Michael and the past nowdays. He used to be a lot more articulate about it all-
    If anybody wants to know where Quincy's true genius lies, they need to read stuff by Brad Sunberg, or Glen Ballard and songwriters that worked for/with him or his collaborators.
    Fantastic article in Billboard about the BAD album today, that I loved-lots of new things that even I never knew.

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    Default Re: RS-IV:Quincy-jones-on-the-making-of-michael-jacksons-bad-

    Just Good Friends will always remain a favourite song from mine.
    I don't understand why people think that track is weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Another song I could hear Stevie and MJ dueting on is Leave Me Alone! I can hear how it would have suited Stevie's voice. Oh what if...
    Wow imagine that. That's really got me thinking. I wish they had either done Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming or Don't Be Messin' Round would have been more complete.


    I get frustrated with Q of late, I have a lot of respect for him and his legendary musical ability but why does keep doggin' Mike every chance he gets. I can't remember the last time he mentioned how incredible Michael was a singer/songwriter or how brilliant he was in general in fact. Yet he seems to give everybody else love and respect. I do understand that from a producer's mindset giving the unsung hero's of the record some dues which is great but still come on.

    Also have you noticed at the same time, all the other producers that worked with MJ talk about him in the upmost regard, Teddy, Gamble and Huff, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Cory Rooney ,Darkchild. Stuff about his musical genius, how hard he worked and his kindness.

    Sorry to rant but it just annoys me. The way it comes across is Q and his team did everything on those 3 records and Michael just showed up sung and left , which is so far from the fact it's laughable. Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of listening to any demo from that era would know Michael was the driving force and heartbeat of those records.

    Side note it's fantastic seeing all the love and attention the Bad album is getting on it's 30th anniversary

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEMFTV View Post
    Just Good Friends will always remain a favourite song from mine.
    I don't understand why people think that track is weak.
    It's mainly the fact it's a relatively average track that is surrounded by pop masterpieces. It's definitely not a bad track, it just stands out from the rest so it'll get singled out more.

    Wish MJ and Stevie wrote something together, that would've been amazing. I wonder why they didn't...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothCriminal1995 View Post
    Wow imagine that. That's really got me thinking. I wish they had either done Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming or Don't Be Messin' Round would have been more complete.


    I get frustrated with Q of late, I have a lot of respect for him and his legendary musical ability but why does keep doggin' Mike every chance he gets. I can't remember the last time he mentioned how incredible Michael was a singer/songwriter or how brilliant he was in general in fact. Yet he seems to give everybody else love and respect. I do understand that from a producer's mindset giving the unsung hero's of the record some dues which is great but still come on.

    Also have you noticed at the same time, all the other producers that worked with MJ talk about him in the upmost regard, Teddy, Gamble and Huff, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Cory Rooney ,Darkchild. Stuff about his musical genius, how hard he worked and his kindness.

    Sorry to rant but it just annoys me. The way it comes across is Q and his team did everything on those 3 records and Michael just showed up sung and left , which is so far from the fact it's laughable. Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of listening to any demo from that era would know Michael was the driving force and heartbeat of those records.

    Side note it's fantastic seeing all the love and attention the Bad album is getting on it's 30th anniversary
    My thoughts, exactly. Q has a huge ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    It was an interesting read, but Quincy really doesn't do himself any favors with the way he talks about Michael and the past nowdays. .
    I think his intention is to cementing himself in history to the true mastermind for OTW, Thriller and Bad and the press like RS will not call him out for this and only happy adapt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEMFTV View Post
    Just Good Friends will always remain a favourite song from mine.
    I don't understand why people think that track is weak.
    I don't understand the dislike for that song either. Maybe people's expectations where too high, because it had Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder on a song together

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    ^Too average for the caliber of such genuises. I wonder why they didn't get together to write songs like Michael did with Paul. Call TGIM corny all you want but it's a better song and duet than JGF, well, Say Say Say and The Man are better too.

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    For some reason, Quincy Jones strikes me as somewhat overconfident, like he's king of the music world all by himself. I've never met him, so I don't know if that's his intention...but the interviews I've seen and heard have given me that impression more than once. I always wondered though, why Michael split from him; none of the albums after Bad reached that super-high level again. They're still very good, and I really enjoy them...but when people think of Michael its usually the albums he and Quincy did which first spring to mind.

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    I've said it before but Michael wouldn't have been the pioneer he was if had played safe. MJ and Q achieved great things together with those 3 albums and he said himself he learned a lot from Q but I'm glad he parted ways to be the main driving force on Dangerous, HIStory and BOTDF proving his creative genius achieved its peak in the 90s.

    Goingback to Quincy Jones, I don't get why he started to get bitter towards MJ, downplaying him as an artist and human being ever since 2005. He had lot of love and praise for him in the 90s and still was loving to Michael when he called to the Oprah show to pay tribute to Quincy in October 2001 and also the 2002 Vibe photo shoot. I don't get what went wrong to Q to start saying such hurtful comments about not knowing Michael, the idiocies about Michael's skin and his children in 2005, spiraling out of control after Michael passed.

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    The 80s albums are simply more fun, more light hearted thus more accessible to the general public, so it is understandable why they are more popular. It doesn't mean the 90s albums are weaker. In many ways I actually find them stronger. Staying with Quincy would have meant MJ had kept repeating himself. I think MJ had a good sense of realizing that their relationship started to become exhausted. And already on Bad re. these stories of "A Team" and "B Team" you can see MJ felt somewhat artistically limited by Quincy. And I think what they both had to offer after Bad proved MJ right. Just compare Dangerous to Quincy's Back on The Block or his production on Tevin Campbell's album. All that proves that Q's success in the 80s with MJ wasn't all down to Quincy - to put it politely.

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    Default Re: RS-IV:Quincy-jones-on-the-making-of-michael-jacksons-bad-

    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    I don't understand the dislike for that song either. Maybe people's expectations where too high, because it had Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder on a song together
    I never understood it but understood it at the same time.........Just Good Friends is a great song, always one of my favorites on Bad, an arguably, that could have been the album's debut single release just as I Just Can't Stop Loving You Was....

    Stevie had just released his own brand new LP that year Characters with the #1 r&b single Skeletons that fall

    I think the reason JGF gets so much flack is that there's a r&b element to the song and the BAD LP and the concept behind it was geared to go full scale pop.

    Just Good Friends could have been on Thriller or Off The Wall and I don't believe it would have received any flack at all.

    I listen to this song all the time along with Liberian Girl, Another Part of Me, MITM, and Leave Me Alone from the Bad LP....
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