MEGA CSPC: Michael Jackson Popularity Analysis - 53 pages of the most detailed SALES FACTS

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You have to read all the 53 pages to understand the analysis.

This is never before seen/read facts (especially pages 35-53)!

:clap::clap::clap::clap: http://chartmasters.org/2017/09/cspc-michael-jackson-popularity-analysis/ :mj2:

Please find below the comprehensive list of all CSPC totals of artists studied up to this date.

CSPC OVERALL SALES – ARTISTS RANKING

1 The Beatles – 403,978,000 (update: Mar 2017)
2 Michael Jackson – 323,741,000 (update: Sep 2017)
3 Madonna – 241,135,000 (update: Aug 2017)
4 The Rolling Stones – 234,825,000 (update: Dec 2016)
5 Pink Floyd – 229,426,000 (update: Jun 2017)
6 Led Zeppelin – 198,856,000 (update: Aug 2016)
7 U2 – 192,494,000 (update: Aug 2016)
8 Celine Dion – 192,088,000 (update: Sep 2016)
9 Mariah Carey – 164,642,000 (update: Apr 2017)
10 Bruce Springsteen – 157,024,000 (update: Jul 2017)
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pg 49, BIGGEST TRACKS – MICHAEL JACKSON

The list of most successful songs is compiled in album equivalent sales generated by each of them. It includes the song’s own physical singles sales with a 0,3 weighting, its download and streaming sales, and with appropriate weighting too, plus its share among sales of all albums on which it is featured.

1 1982 – Billie Jean [Thriller] – 41,190,000
2 1982 – Beat It [Thriller] – 26,740,000
3 1982 – Thriller [Thriller] – 23,080,000
4 1991 – Black or White [Dangerous] – 18,760,000
5 1987 – Man in the Mirror [Bad] – 14,310,000
6 1979 – Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough [Off the Wall] – 13,430,000
7 1987 – Smooth Criminal [Bad] – 12,540,000
8 1987 – The Way You Make Me Feel [Bad] – 12,020,000
9 1995 – They Don’t Care About Us [HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I] – 9,760,000
10 1979 – Rock with You [Off the Wall] – 9,510,000
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pg. 50, RECORDS & ACHIEVEMENTS

SALES-RELATED

At 65,8 million pure sales, Thriller is the best selling album ever.
At 33,6 million pure sales, Bad is the #2 top selling male studio album ever, top 10 album studio albums and top 10 album artist albums.
At 29,55 million pure sales, Dangerous is the #3 top selling male studio album ever, top 20 album studio albums and top 20 album artist albums.
Off The Wall and HIStory are among the top 100 best selling albums ever.
At 182,6 million, Michael Jackson sold more studio albums than anyone else.
In pure sales, Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory are respectively #2, #1, #1, #2 and #3 among the top sellers of their year of release.
At 30,4 million, Thriller is the best selling album ever in the US.
Thriller is the best selling international studio album ever in Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, the UK, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium.
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pg. 52, CSPC OVERALL SALES – ALBUMS RANKING

1 1982 Michael Jackson – Thriller – 115,887,000
2 1977 Bee Gees – Saturday Night Fever – 67,110,000
3 1987 Michael Jackson – Bad – 62,716,000
4 1977 Fleetwood Mac – Rumours – 60,508,000
5 1971 Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin IV – 56,573,000
6 1973 Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon – 55,796,000
7 1992 Whitney Houston – The Bodyguard – 53,744,000
8 1991 Nirvana – Nevermind – 52,930,000
9 1978 Soundtrack – Grease – 51,899,000
10 1979 Pink Floyd – The Wall – 50,309,000
11 1986 Bon Jovi – Slippery When Wet – 49,377,000
12 1984 Bruce Springsteen – Born in the U.S.A. – 47,373,000
13 1987 U2 – The Joshua Tree – 47,050,000
14 1997 Céline Dion – Let’s Talk About Love – 45,849,000
15 1987 Guns N’ Roses – Appetite For Destruction – 45,435,000
16 1991 Michael Jackson – Dangerous – 45,373,000
17 1997 Shania Twain – Come On Over – 44,888,000
18 1969 Beatles – Abbey Road – 42,928,000
19 1996 Céline Dion – Falling Into You – 41,605,000
20 1991 Metallica – Metallica – 40,460,000
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Table of Contents

Page 4: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Got to Be There (1972)
Page 5: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Ben (1972)
Page 6: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Music & Me (1973)
Page 7: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Forever Michael (1975)
Page 8: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Off the Wall (1979)
Page 9: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Thriller (1982)
Page 10: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Bad (1987)
Page 11: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Dangerous (1991)
Page 12: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I (1995)
Page 13: Original Album Sales (Jackson 5) – Invincible (2001)
Page 14: Original Album Sales (The Jacksons) – Michael (2010)
Page 15: Original Album Sales (The Jacksons) – Xscape (2014)
Page 16: Original Album Sales – Comments
Page 17: Physical Singles Sales – Part 1
Page 18: Physical Singles Sales – Part 2
Page 19: Physical Singles Sales – Part 3
Page 20: Digital Singles Sales – Part 1
Page 21: Digital Singles Sales – Part 2
Page 22: Digital Singles Sales – Part 3
Page 23: Digital Singles Sales – Part 4
Page 24: Streaming Sales – Part 1
Page 25: Streaming Sales – Part 2
Page 26: Streaming Sales – Part 3
Page 27: Streaming Sales – Part 4
Page 28: Streaming Sales – Part 5
Page 29: Streaming Sales – Part 6
Page 30: Streaming Sales – Part 7
Page 31: Remaining Long Format – Compilations 1
Page 32: Remaining Long Format – Compilations 2
Page 33: Remaining Long Format – Compilations 3
Page 34: Remaining Long Format – Compilations 4
Page 35: Remaining Long Format – Compilations 5
Page 36: Remaining Long Format – Live / Remix / OST
Page 37: Remaining Long Format – Box Sets
Page 38: Remaining Long Format – Music Videos 1
Page 39: Remaining Long Format – Music Videos 2
Page 40: Remaining Long Format – Summary
Page 41: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – Blood On The Dance Floor (1997)
Page 42: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – Greatest Hits: HIStory Volume 1 (2001)
Page 43: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – Number Ones (2003)
Page 44: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – The Essential (2005)
Page 45: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – King of Pop (2008)
Page 46: BONUS – Compilation Albums Sales – This Is It (2009)
Page 47: BONUS: Total Album (all types) Sales per Country
Page 48: CSPC Results
Page 49: Biggest Tracks
Page 50: Achievements
Page 51: CSPC Overall Sales – Tracks Ranking
Page 52: CSPC Overall Sales – Albums Ranking
Page 53: CSPC Overall Sales – Artists Ranking
 
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oh guys, spread this analysis all over the net, add this to comments on the articles about MJ or the beatles/ Elvis and co.

It could be notified of the MJ Estate and let them certify all MJs albums, not only Thriller, but HIStory (last time i saw 18+M number was in 1999), Invincible (less than 8M? and Number Ones 12,5M?), BOTDF, Off The Wall (I have been reading about 20M sales for this album for 2 decades and still 20+M?)!!!!

just wow
 
MJ has the number one and two albums of all time. Holy crap.
 
Wow...

They should have made D25 - if that could ever be #3 MJ would have the world best selling 3 albums of all time :)
 
MJD's work is incredible. Amazing article showcasing unreal stats. 115M CSPC is almost a 100% lead on the #2 album ever!
 
MJ has the number one and two albums of all time. Holy crap.

No he doesn't.

If you read carefully, you see he has the top two albums for solo male artists.
"At 65,8 million pure sales, Thriller is the best selling album ever.
At 33,6 million pure sales, Bad is the #2 top selling male studio album ever, top 10 album studio albums and top 10 album artist albums."

If you look at their overall album ranking, using their algorithm or whatever (I'll have a proper look at it later), then you can see that apparently the Bee Gees have the second best selling album of all time. Though Bad comes in at third place.

Look forward to reading this, they have in-depth articles on both Michael Jackson AND The Beatles!! Woo!
 
Yes but MJD is a big MJ fan and so you have to be careful how much you believe his figures. He was banned from UKMix because of his analysis - it's not always strictly legit. A bit of bias towards MJ should be expected.
 
Yes but MJD is a big MJ fan and so you have to be careful how much you believe his figures. He was banned from UKMix because of his analysis - it's not always strictly legit. A bit of bias towards MJ should be expected.

MJD is an MJ fan, but he's a fan of many artist's. His favourite artist isn't even MJ. The name 'MJDangerous' came about due to him posting figures years ago on an MJ forum and it just stuck.

The reason he was banned from UKMix had nothing to do with his analysis of artists. It was to do with arguments with biased fans of Elvis who constantly tried to downplay the sales of MJ and The Beatles.
 
To me his research seems to be pretty thorough and not much off from what I have estimated based the numbers I collected. His numbers seem pretty realistic to me. He doesn't even make "Thriller sold over 100 million copies" claims like many fans do. 65.8 million is very much realistic for Thriller.

And I don't know if he is banned or not on UKMix, but he is definitely cited and referenced a LOT there. And not only for MJ, but for any artist he analyzes.

https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=63110&start=11375

https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=27293&p=6581676&hilit=chartmasters#p6581676

https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=112299&hilit=chartmasters

Etc. etc.

Most seem to pay attention to his analysis and not just from the MJ fandom but from other fandoms as well, which does seem like an acknowledgement to me.

There may be some who are dissatisfied with his analysis if it doesn't show what they hoped for their fave artist. I have seen a Janet fan accusing him of "hating" Janet ("like a lot of MJ fans unfortunately do") and downplaying her sales, but others then explained to her why he got the results he got. Here is that discussion: https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=65908&hilit=chartmasters&start=1300

Even mainstream media cites him, like The New Yorker.

The methods are explained on MJD's website, I think he is pretty transparent. Of course he is not an "official" source but he doesn't claim to be. But honestly, what is the meaning of "official" source when it comes to record sales? Claims coming from a record label that will often use inflated numbers to promote an artist? (You don't think the Beatles and Elvis really sold over a billion albums, do you? Yet in both cases it has been claimed "officially".) Or claims that various newspaper articles make? That may also depend on the sympathy or antipathy or simply wrong information or sensationalism of an author - depending on the article's agenda?

There isn't really such as "official" when it comes to record sales. There are estimates. It comes down to the difficulty of making exact counts in many countries etc. But I think MJD actually does a pretty good job for his numbers to be as close to realistic as possible. I would definitely rather rely on his number than a sales claim a journalist just makes in an article based on nothing or very little. MJD actually does research unlike most journalist that will just put out numbers there.

... and there is another page MICHAELJACKSON.RU, making some stats looong before ChartMaster - http://en.michaeljackson.ru/records-and-achievements/

Jump to secion:
Popularity
Awards
Albums and songs
Films
Live performances
Chart positions
Business deals
Charitable activity
Records of record-breaking
 
From that fan site:

'The biggest selling album of all time: Thriller – an estimated 110 million copies sold.'

Wrong. Simply impossible. With just over 30 million copies sold in the US this would mean 80 million copies sold worldwide.

'The biggest selling boxed set/double album of all time: HIStory – Past, Present and Future, Book I – 22 million copies sold.'

Wrong. Pink Floyd's The Wall is.

'(1994, 1999) The most records sold during an album promo campaign ever: During the Dangerous campaign, Michael sold 57 million records: 40 million albums and 17 million singles; the record was surpassed later with HIStory campaign that sold 65 million records: 54 million albums and 11 million singles.

LOL, what the heck is this? The Dangerous campaign didn't begin in 1994. Also, those sales during those periods mentioned are absolute nonsense. HIStory campaign sold 54 million albums? How? 18 million for HIStory and about 4 million or so for BOTDF. So, 36 million in catalogue sales? LOL. Absolutely stupid.

Need I go on?
 
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What point are you trying to make? That site is an MJ fan site that has simply copy and pasted anything about MJ. Also, MJD has been around a lot longer than just with Chartmasters.

His (chartmaster) overall analysis was released 2 days ago, whether mj.ru copied or got its info wherever years ago...., it doesnt matter, I just tried to point out that there is another web about some stats, similar to chartmaster page, and maybe mj.ru copied MJD....
 
His (chartmaster) overall analysis was released 2 days ago, whether mj.ru copied or got its info wherever years ago...., it doesnt matter, I just tried to point out that there is another web about some stats, similar to chartmaster page, and maybe mj.ru copied MJD....

MJ.Ru didn't copy MJD. MJD wouldn't come out with figures like MJ.Ru. Those MJ.Ru figures are the most fanciful I've ever seen for MJ.
 
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From that fan site:

'The biggest selling album of all time: Thriller – an estimated 110 million copies sold.'

Wrong. Simply impossible. With just over 30 million copies sold in the US this would mean 80 million copies sold worldwide.

'The biggest selling boxed set/double album of all time: HIStory – Past, Present and Future, Book I – 22 million copies sold.'

Wrong. Pink Floyd's The Wall is.

'(1994, 1999) The most records sold during an album promo campaign ever: During the Dangerous campaign, Michael sold 57 million records: 40 million albums and 17 million singles; the record was surpassed later with HIStory campaign that sold 65 million records: 54 million albums and 11 million singles.

LOL, what the heck is this? The Dangerous campaign didn't begin in 1994. Also, those sales during those periods mentioned are absolute nonsense. HIStory campaign sold 54 million albums? How? 18 million for HIStory and about 4 million or so for BOTDF. So, 36 million in catalogue sales? LOL. Absolutely stupid.

Need I go on?


By 1999, the WALL album had sold over 23 million RIAA-certified units (11.5 million albums), making it the third-highest certified album in the US, between 1979 and 1990 selling over 19 million copies worldwide, but who knows whether HIStory has surpassed 25 million, which is possible, I saw a New York Post article in 1998 reporting about HIStory success, in 1998 there was the 20 million number as a fact, after 2009 how many HIStory albums have been sold?

Thriller by MJD has 115,887,000 units, album sales approx. 65M, not far from mj.ru, if copies means units/records, overall
Dangerous campaign maybe means years (of the era or the period for the albumm progress) as well as Off the wall, BAD, and Dangerous albums or compilations and all available singles..., not far from MJD stats.

Lets not argue about numbers...
 
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By 1999, the WALL album had sold over 23 million RIAA-certified units (11.5 million albums), making it the third-highest certified album in the US, between 1979 and 1990 selling over 19 million copies worldwide, but who knows whether HIStory has surpassed 25 million, which is possible, I saw a New York Post article in 1998 reporting about HIStory success, in 1998 there was the 20 million number as a fact, after 2009 how many HIStory albums have been sold?

Thriller by MJD has 115,887,000 units, album sales approx. 65M, not far from mj.ru, if copies means units/records, overall
Dangerous campaign maybe means years (of the era or the period for the albumm progress) as well as Off the wall, BAD, and Dangerous albums or compilations and all available singles..., not far from MJD stats.

Lets not argue about numbers...

1. HIStory hasn't surpassed 25 million copies sold. It's not possible. It's impossible. That album is hamstrung by it being a double album and the first disc being a greatest hits compilation. Its catalogue sales are woeful due to this.

A news outlet reporting a figure for an album sold doesn't make it fact.

2. No. MJ.Ru aren't accounting using the same method as MJD. They are basing it on pure sales, just like their other figures.

If that is what they refer to as a 'campaign' then they are wrong. Catalogue sales do not count as part of an album's promotional campaign. The Dangerous promotional campaign ended in 1993.
 
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