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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kanye West Is Not Michael Jackson via <a href="https://twitter.com/Forbes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@forbes</a> <a href="https://t.co/zbLl1EF0OZ">https://t.co/zbLl1EF0OZ</a></p>&mdash; Joe Vogel (@JoeVogel1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeVogel1/status/993548156251049984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Mai 2018</a></blockquote>
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In a recent article for The Atlantic, acclaimed author and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates compares Kanye West to Michael Jackson -- two colossally talented black artists who abandoned their race for "white freedom." Kanye himself has long expressed admiration for Jackson, name-dropping him in numerous songs and proclaiming himself the MJ of his generation. But does West's public embrace of Donald Trump and assertion that slavery was a choice really merit comparison to the King of Pop?

Like many kids growing up in the 80s, Coates saw Michael Jackson as a kind of God.

Michael Jackson mediated gang wars; Michael Jackson was the zombie king; Michael Jackson tapped his foot and stones turned to light. Even his accouterment felt beyond me—the studded jacket, the sparkling glove, the leather pants—raiment of the divine, untouchable by me, a mortal child who squinted to see past Saturday.

Yet over time, Coates (and his mother) interpreted Jackson's changing appearance as racial rejection.

If the black man’s God was not dead, he surely was dying. And he had always been dying—dying to be white. That was what my mother said, that you could see the dying all over his face, the decaying, the thinning, that he was disappearing into something white, desiccating into something white, erasing himself, so that we would forget that he had once been Africa beautiful and Africa brown...

Coates sees a similar trajectory in West. Like Jackson, Coates argues, West is an artist of near-unrivaled genius. But like Jackson, he allowed fame and adulation to distort his sense of reality. West, he contends, has gradually descended into a kind of insular "Sunken Place" in which white approval is the price of the ticket and personal freedom comes at the expense of black consciousness. Certainly, there is some truth to the corrosive effects of celebrity, which can be particularly fraught for African-Americans.

Yet the connection Coates draws between Jackson and West breaks down if you look at it more closely. For all the changes to his physical appearance, Jackson never chose "collaboration" with white supremacy. He never turned his back on his racial heritage. In fact, many have noted that his racial identification grew stronger as his career progressed.

"What Kanye West seeks is what Michael Jackson sought—liberation from the dictates of that we," asserts Coates. Jackson, however, never wanted liberation from his people or his heritage. In fact, over a decade after he broke down racial barriers at MTV, he was releasing songs and videos like TDCAU.

A collaboration with filmmaker Spike Lee, "They Don't Care About Us" has been used as an anthem for the Black Lives Matter movement. The song is not an anomaly. Check out the visuals and messaging from "Bad," "Remember the Time," and "Jam." Check out the lyrics to "Scream," "2Bad," and "History." Check out Jackson's interview with Oprah, in which he declares unequivocally that he is proud to be a black man.

Moreover, unlike Kanye West, Jackson was not ignorant. His personal library contained tens of thousands of books, many on African American history. Jackson may have been insulated by his fame; but he was deeply curious about the world. He read about Africa; he read about slavery; he read about Jim Crow and the civil rights movement; he read about the history of black music and art; he read -- and watched documentaries -- about Jack Johnson, Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, and Nelson Mandela, among hundreds of others.

What Jackson demonstrated is that race is about more than physical appearance. His medical records and autopsy confirmed that he suffered from vitiligo, a condition that causes white patches on the skin. That disease was not a choice.

No celebrity-artist, of course, is immune to lapses of judgment. Jackson had his share. But it is unfair, given the evidence, to say he wanted "white freedom."

Jackson wanted racial justice and called for it throughout his career -- in interviews, actions, songs, videos, and performances. That's a choice -- and legacy -- Kanye West could learn from.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bravo to Joe for this. It’s astonishing, now that there exists a body of sound scholarship on Jackson, that the myth of his desire for whiteness persists <a href="https://t.co/QoaTH9tqFv">https://t.co/QoaTH9tqFv</a></p>&mdash; Susan Fast (@SusanFast3) <a href="https://twitter.com/SusanFast3/status/993554764477747200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Mai 2018</a></blockquote>
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comparing Kanye to Michael Jackson doesn't even make sense. They are totally different from each other artistically and talents to cross each other much..

No hate on Kanye but Michael could physically sh*t on a kanye project and make it better..
 
Kanye is a despicable human being and an overrated artist. No comparison between the two. And this article is complete bullshit. Michael never wanted to be white nor did he abandon his race. I can't believe there are still idiots out there who believe this nonsense.
 
Whilst I don't seem to hate Kanye as much as others here I would say they are not really comparable. They occupy different spaces in music. Also the article is total shit.
 
It’s so ****ing stupid that people back at the that time, thought that Michael didn’t want to be black. Don’t people realise how stupid that sounds?

Never ever compare Kanye West to MJ. That’s a disgrace.
 
The Coates essay shows what happens when you put skin color first. Michael had it coming both ways--condemned for being black and for being white, i.e. for having, according to some, the 'wrong' skin color. That he revealed he had vitiligo 25 years ago (!!!) seems to have escaped notice--in fact, his lupus also meant he had to avoid exposure to the sun. If anyone is betraying his own race, it's Coates--trashing another black man for having vitiligo and lupus. In his adult years, MJ was mercilessly attacked by tabloids, the mainstream, prosecutors who believed baseless accusations, and even by his own people (Oprah, and now Coates, etc). Sad, stupid, utterly classless, and cruelly wrong. Amazing to me how the lies the MSM spun in his lifetime just will not die.
 
The only thing they have in common is they both are Black, make music, famous, and knew Trump, although (contrary to popular disbelief) I think Michael knew Trump personally.
 
I spotted that Coates article but there wasn't anywhere to comment so couldn't provide any 'enlightenment' for the author, so I'm glad Vogel has called him out on this.

It's ludicrous that the malicious words of the arrogant 1980s media persists to this day despite all the contrary evidence. As we all know, MJ suffered from Vitiligo, ergo he didn't turn himself white and he didn't want to be white, in fact in the early years he did all he could to hide the whiter patches of skin. Oh well, I could go on for ever but there's no point. All of us know the score. Some media do now acknowledge MJ had Vitiligo which is a step up from 20-30 years ago. whenever I see a report about Winnie Harlow it's mentioned. She proves that MJ could have done more to help the other sufferers - as the world's biggest music star in the 80s and early 90s he could have really influenced the conversation about Vitiligo and brought it into focus instead of trying to hide it and then avoiding it. I'm sure he would have suffered less ridicule if he had the backing of a skeptical press like Winnie has. Winnie has been loud and proud about her condition and she's achieving great things.
 
I wonder who is the most stupid between the author of this article and the one who opened a thread for that.
 
It`s a great article from Joe Vogel. So it`s not stupid to open the thread.
 
Jimmy Jam@flytetymejam May 8th

A different take and more intriguing @michaeljackson @kanyewest reading from@Forbes


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Honestly I think Ta-Nehisi Coates is an incredible writer. I have two of his books and have used his articles in classes. But his claims about MJ and race simply weren’t fair to an artist that was genuinely proud of his racial heritage. <a href="https://t.co/mw28Z8lXYr">https://t.co/mw28Z8lXYr</a></p>&mdash; Joe Vogel (@JoeVogel1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeVogel1/status/993941699171966976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Mai 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow! I'm truly amazed with the dedication and tenacity of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> fans. I've seen many tweet at the media figures who lauded Coates' recent article, and I'm happy to see that their efforts were not in vain. Keep up the good work! Thanks <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJJusticePrjct</a>! <a href="https://t.co/PFGQUl3cHX">https://t.co/PFGQUl3cHX</a></p>&mdash; sanemjfan (@sanemjfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/sanemjfan/status/993957090149502982?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Mai 2018</a></blockquote>
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