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    Default Interesting findings from a 1998 interview

    In early/mid 1998 MJ gave an interview to Black & White Magazine. The interview has some very early signs of issues with Sony, such as his disappointment over singles going unreleased and him knowing fans were unsatisfied with the remixes on BOTDF.

    As the interview was originally in French the translation may be a tad awkward.

    http://web.archive.org/web/201803122...hite-magazine/

    A part that very much stood out to me:

    "BW: Will you ever do this show for HBO one day?
    M: No, I don’t think so, I worked so much to prepare that show, there was such a pressure, people pushing me to do this show no matter what! Then finally, the nature took its course and said, “stop”, she decided I shouldn’t do that show…"
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    "Then Michael turns the pages and stops of the Collectibles page and sees a picture of the Smile single and asks whether it came out in Europe:
    BW: no, the single has been cancelled, it never came out…
    M: mmh! – Sighing
    BW: Did you want it to come out?
    M: Sure! Sony should have had that single come out! – Saying this Michael has an upset expression on his face."

    I wish they would have released Smile. Sad that it was cancelled.

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    MJ fans should remember the fan clubs magazines like King magazine from MJNI were telling people in 1995/1996 Sony weren't doing their job. TDCAU was a top 30 record without any radio airplay as Sony refused to release it! Earth Song wasn't released either!

    Delusional to suggest MJ was annoyed at Sony simply because they refused to promote Invincible.. it was happening for years before that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    MJ fans should remember the fan clubs magazines like King magazine from MJNI were telling people in 1995/1996 Sony weren't doing their job. TDCAU was a top 30 record without any radio airplay as Sony refused to release it! Earth Song wasn't released either!

    Delusional to suggest MJ was annoyed at Sony simply because they refused to promote Invincible.. it was happening for years before that!
    Indeed, I looked at archives of the MJ Usenet newsgroup and from as far back as 1997 fans were discussing whether or not MJ should switch labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    MJ fans should remember the fan clubs magazines like King magazine from MJNI were telling people in 1995/1996 Sony weren't doing their job. TDCAU was a top 30 record without any radio airplay as Sony refused to release it! Earth Song wasn't released either!

    Delusional to suggest MJ was annoyed at Sony simply because they refused to promote Invincible.. it was happening for years before that!
    Doesn't make the whole Invincible thing any less MJ's fault, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    Doesn't make the whole Invincible thing any less MJ's fault, though.
    What was MJs fault? He turned up to that stupid record signing like some third rate R&B artist on a debut album, didn't he? He persisted through and shot YRMW with the director insulting MJ and yet he still turned up and shot the short film, even though he had no interest in making a short film for it.

    Not saying he was a saint, but their treatment of him during the time was less than stellar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    What was MJs fault? He turned up to that stupid record signing like some third rate R&B artist on a debut album, didn't he? He persisted through and shot YRMW with the director insulting MJ and yet he still turned up and shot the short film, even though he had no interest in making a short film for it.

    Not saying he was a saint, but their treatment of him during the time was less than stellar.
    Dude, you consistently ignore all the stuff I've said before because it fits your $ONY narrative and keep going on about the same stuff over and over again.

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    Sony did treat MJ unfairly, regardless of opinion that is a fact. MJ wouldn't call out somebody unless he had a really good reason to. This interview proves Sonys lack of interest in promotion for Mjs work years before the invincible situation...

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    It has been a known fact that MJ ceased to be an international priority for Sony right after the release of the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album in 1997.

    Yet, Sony invested an insane amount of money in his following album (‘Invincible’), which I think his fans have to appreciate that.

    As for MJ saying in that interview that he is against the idea of his songs being officially remixed, he does not really tell us the whole truth here.

    As a matter of fact, MJ himself (during his career) was always in favour of the idea his songs being remixed, mainly because of the commercial & chart benefits of that strategy.

    The inclusion of the remixes on the ‘Thriller 25’ album which was totally his idea, or the inclusion of the ‘Who Is It’ IHS remix on ‘The Ultimate Collection’ which was totally his idea again, are just two examples.

    Not to mention, of course, all those remixes that he himself decided to include over the years on the singles releases of his songs (before & after the release of the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album in 1997).

    In the case of the remixes on the singles releases of his songs, he even appeared enamored with many of those remixes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    TDCAU was a top 30 record without any radio airplay as Sony refused to release it! Earth Song wasn't released either!
    TDCAU was released as single globally. Earth Song just wasn't released in the USA.


    About Smile:
    After the huge success of the Wetten Dass performance of Earth Song (it resulted in MJs first number one single in Germany ever), there was a second performance at Wetten Dass planned for 8. November 1997, were Smile was to be performed.

    Not sure why this was cancelled (probably MJ being too exhausted from the HIStory tour and being busy with his kids). In the city of Leipzig (where the show took place) there were already posters in the streets with Michaels name on them. And some stores had HIStory CDs with a "incl. Smile from Wetten Dass" sticker. I guess Sony would have had no interest in cancelling such a performance last minute.

    Smile isn't exactly a chart-friendly song, so without the boost of another Wetten Dass performance, Sony (probably annoyed by Michael cancelling once again after they already lost millions in the HBO disaster) pulled the plug (to prevent a flop / avoid spending more money on promotion for the song).

    I think there was also another TV performance planned in France, but I'm not sure anymore.
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    WOW this is new news to me those evil sony grrrrrrrrr they make me angry

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    MJ and Sony decided that it would better to focus on other markets as he wasn't as popular in the US. I don't really get where this idea that Sony didn't want any of singles to succeed comes from. Fans really like to have a particular narrative when it comes to this stuff, same with MJ hating remixes even though a lot of them were his idea. Just because MJ said something doesn't always mean it was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post

    Not to mention, of course, all those remixes that he himself decided to include over the years on the singles releases of his songs (before & after the release of the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album in 1997).
    I don't think he had much to do with that. That's more the job of the label.

    I guess he had a hate/love with the whole remix topic. He hated them musically, but saw the benefit. At least with that type of remixes that turned every song into a cheesy standard 90s "House" version to fit the back then market of mainstream club dance music. (In the 90s that was an industry standard / one way for giving pop singles more exposure, same with Madonna, Janet etc.)

    For example, if he was so happy with that cheesy remix of the song HIStory (released as the main track on the single), why didn't he perform it on tour, but instead played his original version.

    The Thriller25 remixes are a whole different thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Not sure why this was cancelled (probably MJ being too exhausted from the HIStory tour and being busy with his kids). In the city of Leipzig (where the show took place) there were already posters in the streets. And some stores had HIStory CDs with a "incl. Smile from Wetten Dass" sticker. I guess Sony would have had no interest in cancelling such a performance last minute.

    Smile isn't exactly a chart-friendly song, so without the boost of another Wetten Dass performance, Sony (probably annoyed by Michael cancelling once again after they already lost millions in the HBO disaster) pulled the plug (to prevent a flop / avoid spending more money on promotion for the song).

    I think there was also another TV performance planned in France, but I'm not sure anymore.
    I'm just gonna guess and say Sony thought HIStory had done all it could do and didn't see the need in any extra promotion for the project, or themselves didn't see Smile as a commercially successful song.

    There's also the Is It Scary single that was planned for release on September 8, 1997 in Germany and other parts of Europe and September 29th in the UK. The accompanying video was apparently supposed to have expensive special effects but eventually got cancelled a month before release, with the single only going released in Japan.

    I suppose this was Sony's way of saying "I think it's time to pull the plug" or maybe they even just favoured Smile over it (not likely considering that got cancelled anyways lol...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    Dude, you consistently ignore all the stuff I've said before because it fits your $ONY narrative and keep going on about the same stuff over and over again.
    What I’ve said is a fact. You can choose to ignore it, or label it as a conspiracy narrative, but that doesn’t take away the fact it’s a fact.

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