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    Default The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Now what I'm saying I'm basing on the footage I've seen and interviews I've seen of Michael speaking, and I've seen countless. Of course I have never met the man, boy would I love to though.

    I think it is an incredible irony that MJ is portrayed as an eccentric figure. From the interviews I have seen, Michael seems to me like the MOST down to earth person I could ever meet. The dude loves the simple things in life, and his idea of fun is so pure.

    It is so ironic that you have thousands of stars and wannabe stars absolutely lose their minds at first glance of fame. And Michael, the biggest superstar in the world - and he knows it - somehow keeps grounded. He's had his tribulations, but he has prevailed and risen above it all. He is intelligent, doesn't lose himself in the wacky world of showbiz even though he is so familiar to it.

    I find it extraordinary that a man of his stature is so down to earth. Have you ever thought to yourself the amazing strength of character Michael has.

    A genius of this calibre who is fundamentally level-headed is so very rare. If anyone else had to fill his shoes I think many would've collapsed somewhere along the line. What a champ. Can't wait for the new era Mike.

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    nice post. I really don't know what else I could add but wanted to thank you for the good post. (I can't wait either)
    Weird is just another word for Unique :-)

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Good post man, and very true. It's funny because you see people not even half as famous or successful or talented as Michael who are so egotistical that they refer to themselves in the 3rd person or they act as though they find themselves to be the coolest thing since sliced bread. Pop stars who have been in the business for less then five years who act that way. I wont name any names, but I think most here know who I'm referring to. Michael knows how talented he is, he knows how famous he is and what he's accomplished, you can see it in his eyes. But he never even talks about it. He rarely even makes reference to it excepting when he's speaking about how people have tried to tear him down and pointing that out as the cause. I've never heard Michael talk about what a brilliant vocalist he is, or dancer, or songwriter, or how he can beatbox with the best of them, or about how he's the most famous person in modern history, etc... Or even go in to detail about the mechanics and techniqual side of his talent. He doesn't brag, and he treats other people as though they were equal to him. That's pretty astonishing. Because in my view, if anyone has the right to be big headed and proud, it's Michael Jackson. But he doesn't exude any of that. And it's true they want to label him as eccentric and weird, simply because they cannot relate to him or where he is coming from. People become conditioned by society and the world around them to the point in which anything which doesn't fit in or gel with what their values and norms are is deemed strange. The thing is, the values Michael holds, the way he approaches things and views things is so much more real then theirs. They're just too caught up in the artificial world built around us to realize that.



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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    To endure the obstacles that MJ has had in his life, is a real testament to just how strong of a character he has.


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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Great post, I Feel Good.

    I'm always impressed how down to earth Michael actually is, and he never talks about how much of a genius etc. Michael always seems greatful to have such a large and loyal fan base which also shows how grounded Michael is. Michael also always talks about improving what he does, with him being such a perfectionist. Also just look at the fan events Michael has attended, no other music icon or lesser pop stars would attended to be with their fans.

    One of the things I think keeps Michael grounded is that he sees his career as a job, and his private life as private. You never see Michael at movie premieres, and appearing on talk shows or talking about every aspect of his life and parading his children in front of the media like Madonna. These are many things which makes Michael such a grounded person.
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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Great post, and good point also

    I have nothing to add on that matter, since I think everyone here said it all already,

    but I would also like to comment on something else...

    The media and other people are always calling him creepy, ugly, crazy, and basically making people believe he is some kind of monster (not because of the accusations of abuse, but about his appearance)...
    and if you think about it...he's always so well-dressed, ellegant, and normal, there's nothing that extraordinary about his appearance, except the fact that he's changed, and some people still didnt get used to it or dont accept it...
    If you look at some popstars today its a completely different thing...women look like hoes and those rappers with their extra-large baggy pants showing their toosh off, no shirt, big shiny pendants and those grills (like I said on the thread about T-pain)...those people look like clowns from a freak show... how come Michael is the creepy one? He is still a beautiful man, and very normal and ellegant on his appearance,...but I guess some people were blinded by the media...thats a shame that it takes more than normal eye sight to see his beauty...
    I guess this time you're really leavin'
    I heard your suitcase say goodbye
    And as my broken heart lies bleeding
    You say true love is suicide
    You say you've cried a thousand rivers
    And now you're swimming for the shore
    You left me drowning in my tears
    And you won't save me anymore
    I'll pray to God to give me one more chance

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Nice post.

    Yeah, just look at all the young stars, getting addiction problems, alcohol problems, Sure mike had a very short periode in 1993, but considering what was going on and how quick he came on top of the world again, it's simply amaxing!
    He sure is a very strong man!

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Jackson's concept of behaviour is about equality.

    If he meets with a backstage worker, or hotel personnel, or even famous "Harlem toilet cleaner", he is equally polite and patient as he would towards other people which could be of caliber of kings or presidents.

    If he hears music that he thinks suits better for his album than whatever of his own, then he just takes it, pushing his own work away (often fans would argue that his own compositions, that he has put off, were not actually weaker, or, maybe, were stronger than others form other composers he chose instead).

    I personally, not being even of the tiniest portion of Jackson's scale, have sometimes struggling myself, giving people equal respect, not depending on who they are. My salvation is that I am aware of this lack in may character, so I try to be as fair as possible -- consciously, with mind's effort, at least.

    And Michael is naturally good in so many personal qualities, where I lack. In fact, he is unique as person in probably no less degree than in the field of creative genius.

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    That is exactly what I have though about many times.
    I can't really add anything to that.


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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    You know, I have to say I think if Michael looked like he did during the thriller era there would only be about a fraction of the rumors out there. What I'm trying to say is why is it that Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan are given chance after chance and considered to be getting their careers on track when they are the real messes? It is all about good looks, that is how shallow the media is. Michael is still fit and definitely looks younger than most fifty year olds but in the eyes of the general public, most have not turned on him because of scandal or rumors. They would fully let that all slide if he looked the way they wished he did and acted like an arrogant star with a woman on each arm at an event every weekend.

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    No matter how he would look, he would not avoid car accident that lead him to know Chandler family.

    And if he would not have vitiligo, then still he would not refuse to help Arvizos.

    So lets not move the weight for what happened from real causes to things like Michael having vitiligo or not (nose was already done by "Thriller" time, so we could only guess about vitiligo in the line of your idea).

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    I know that's true but I somewhat doubt they would have been so quick to make fun of him or crucify him during that time. Look at some of the scandals others have had where people let it slide or don't talk much about it but if it happens to Michael it's a field day.

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    It's Michael's generous nature and differing perception which has caused the vast majority of his trouble in life, not his appearance. People use his plastic surgery as an excuse for why they attack and are afraid of him, but it is not the cause. Their inability to understand and relate to him is, as is their willingness to take advantage of his kindness, even if it means stepping all over him.



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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    i like your post. he does seem to be very down to earth doesn't he? i was struck in lwmj when he was talking about the importance of the family sitting down together at the dinner table together for meals that in addition to his taste for nostalgic entertainment like old hollywood and music, that he seems to have an old fashioned way about him, which considering the environment he's been exposed to is pretty amazing and interesting. his folks did a real good job of instilling values in all the family. all of them seem to me to have that same quality. a kinda reverence for days gone by.


    No power of genius has ever yet had the smallest success in explaining existence. The perfect enigma remains. — Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882).

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    Default Re: The great irony of Michael Jackson

    Nice thread IFeelGood. This is a feel-good thread. I dig all the posts here. Y'all already said so many great things, so I don't have much to add.

    I'm just thinkin of a maxim from....can't remeber who said it and exactly what it was, so I'm paraphrasing it: "Give power to a person, then you'll see a true personality comin out of him/her." Ain't this perfectly fit what we're talkin about here?

    Even before I started diggin his music and could call myself a "fan", I always had respect for his character and personality. This drew me closer to him even at that time and made me feel like I wanted to give him a hug.

    IMO, his humbleness is a combination of a part of who he is and what he's made conscious efforts to maintain.
    This was in 1972 when I was 14 years old.
    They wanted me to sing a certain way
    and I knew they were wrong.
    No matter what age you are, if you have it and you know it,
    people should listen to you.
    ---Michael Jackson---

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