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    Default Double Standards (updated)

    Now this was a thread made on MJJCommunity in 2007 and it talks about how well MJ sold against current artists and how people wrongfully compare MJ's sales now with his in the 80's and 90's.

    Now since this was made in 2007, some figures are a bit old. So I will update them here. And I will add more artists of today to compare by.

    Also no one can comment on it anymore, so I figured I can make a new updated version for more current artists and sales to compare by and for new people to comment on now.

    As we all know, MJ reached phenomenal heights in the 80s(110 million records) and 90's(123 million records), but I think he reached so far that people always compare him back to that era. This means that even though he continues to sell extremely well relative to other artists, some focus on that period so much that anything he does in more recent memory is labeled a disappointment. Case in point: Invincible. Invincible sold 10-12 million albums worldwide (2x Platinum in the US), but many have said that it did "badly." How badly did Invincible really do? Well, let's take a look at our new "King of Pop," Justin Timberlake. Justin's first album, Justified, sold 7 million worldwide(3.5 million in the U.S.) and the second, FS/LS, has sold 9 million albums (4 million in the U.S.),both of which is not all that outrageously bigger than what Invincible sold in the US. That means Justin has sold about 16 million albums in his solo career, which is contained entirely within this decade. How many albums has MJ sold so far this decade? Far more than 25 million, about 30 million albums sold this decade. So what I propose: instead of doing the silly thing of comparing MJ now (or anyone else) to the insane thing he was in the 80s and 90's, let's compare him to other artists. Some other prominent (or "hot") current artists and what they have sold worldwide(Now these are only album sales)....

    Justin Timberlake - 16 million (about)

    50 Cent - 27.8 million (about)

    Beyonce - 20.55 million (somewhere around there)

    Christina Aguilera - 25.76 million (about)

    Chris Brown- 6 million(about)

    Lil' Wayne- 8.55 million (about)

    Fergie- 6.5 million (about)

    Kanye West- 14.3 million (about)

    Rihanna-7.8 million (about)

    Jay-Z- 26.1 million (about)

    In this decade, the only artists that I can think of that have outsold MJ are Norah Jones and Eminem (who has sold the most in this decade). I'm sure there are others, but the point is there are not that many! We're talking about a performer here who's had a solo career going back to the early 70s, And has been subjected to the most negative press in recent years than anyone could possibly imagine. and he is still crushing the charts globally. But the problem is people are thinking about days when he used to crush the charts even more, to a time when MJ made chart-crushing a hobby. So this was just my rant about an obvious double standard....take it or leave it....

    For More info on MJ's sales, please refer to my article: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=60068

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    I really don't agree with your opinion. You can't compare Michael Jackson with these artists. Why not: you are talking about Michael Jackson, one of the biggest solo musicians of all time. The beginning of his carreer is in the sixties, Justin Timberlake at the end of the nineties. Michael Jackson has created a huge fanbase during these 4 decades, Justin Timberlake and those others not.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    i think kb is comparing the sales more than the artists ??

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    The fact Invincible has sold better that several popular artists whose combined sales are less than or barely better than MJ's one album is amazing.

    Sure, Invincible didn't sell 100 million. It sold 12 million. But one album compared to JT's 2 albums at 16 million, that says a lot.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    Quote Originally Posted by PieterM View Post
    I really don't agree with your opinion. You can't compare Michael Jackson with these artists. Why not: you are talking about Michael Jackson, one of the biggest solo musicians of all time. The beginning of his carreer is in the sixties, Justin Timberlake at the end of the nineties. Michael Jackson has created a huge fanbase during these 4 decades, Justin Timberlake and those others not.
    Yea like the person above said, I'm only comparing sales. Because people claim what MJ sells now is disappointing. But it was highlighted that MJ's worst is on par or greater than most other top artist of today.

    But I didn't make this. I just reinvented and updated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic View Post
    The fact Invincible has sold better that several popular artists whose combined sales are less than or barely better than MJ's one album is amazing.

    Sure, Invincible didn't sell 100 million. It sold 12 million. But one album compared to JT's 2 albums at 16 million, that says a lot.
    And back in 2007 when this original article was made, JT albums were at 12 million.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    What albums are you including in the 30 million figure?

    There's Invincible, Number Ones,..are you inlcuding reissues like Thriller 25 in that?

    I'm not trying to sound skeptical, I just like to give ppl facts about Mike so they know how amazing he is...and to do that I need to be prepared for potential questions they may throw at me...

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spider-Man View Post
    What albums are you including in the 30 million figure?

    There's Invincible, Number Ones,..are you inlcuding reissues like Thriller 25 in that?

    I'm not trying to sound skeptical, I just like to give ppl facts about Mike so they know how amazing he is...and to do that I need to be prepared for potential questions they may throw at me...
    Ok, lets tart with the albums he released this decade:

    1. Invincible (2001) - 12 million

    2. Greatest Hits HIStory Volume 1 (2001) - 3 million

    3. Number Ones (2003) - 7 million

    4. Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection (2004) - 500 thousand

    5. The Essential Michael Jackson (2005) - 2.5 million

    6. King of Pop (2008) - 700 thousand

    7. Thriller: 25 (2008) - 3 million

    So just from the albums he released this decade ALONE come to 28.7 million records sold.

    Then add in the album sales of his back-catalog (stuff that he released before this decade) and its a little-bit over 30 million albums.

    THen add in singles and you get anywhere from 35-40 million sold this decade.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    I understand you're comparing others' album sales to MJ's album sales but I hate to see 'justin timberlake' appear on
    MJ forum. Truth is if Invincible was done by any other artist and with sales like that, it would have been deemed as successful. But becuase it's MJ's, it's a flop. Anything of MJ not selling like Thriller, Dangerous is deemed as flop.
    Obvious Double standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovemjj4ever View Post
    I understand you're comparing others' album sales to MJ's album sales but I hate to see 'justin timberlake' appear on
    MJ forum. Truth is if Invincible was done by any other artist and with sales like that, it would have been deemed as successful. But becuase it's MJ's, it's a flop. Anything of MJ not selling like Thriller, Dangerous is deemed as flop.
    Obvious Double standards.
    That's the whole point of this thread.

    But if an album that did as well as Invincible is deemed a flop for MJ then that is kind-of a good thing because it shows how big he really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB50MJ View Post
    That's the whole point of this thread.

    But if an album that did as well as Invincible is deemed a flop for MJ then that is kind-of a good thing because it shows how big he really is.
    Yupe. I kind of summarized it. From what I see, it's not a good thing cause it just keeps stressing that MJ is not as good as he once was. It's unfair for the stupid media to keep comparing everything MJ to Thriller. Maybe they should compare every other album sales to Thriller sales or Dangerous sales, then everything would have certainly been a flop. Such is fair to MJ then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KB50MJ View Post
    That's the whole point of this thread.

    But if an album that did as well as Invincible is deemed a flop for MJ then that is kind-of a good thing because it shows how big he really is.
    i agree with this.
    biggest lies started by envious haters:
    1.Michael Jackson was in debt and spent more than he made
    2.Tim Tebow can't throw a football.

    i've seen Tebow film so I now know(again). The liars hate cuz of hate of Michael's and Tebow's Master, & therefore, Michael and Tebow. History written by men isn't trustworthy.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    MJ sure still sells a lot of albums.

    BUT as said many times already in this thread - because it's MJ, it's a flop!?? - Had it been anyone else it would have been HUGE!

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    Yeah its very true when it comes to Michael Jackson then its all double standard.If anybody else sell even 2 million then that Artist is greatest.Though I don't pay more attention to these things anymore but yeah it bothers me sometimes.How you can ignore somebody's greatest achievements in music industry.And all these people doing this have bread by music industry only and if Michael Jackson is doing well then obviously music industry is also doing well.I think media should stop tryin to bring Michael Jackson down.But the problem is many people in music industry also ignore MJ and his achievements cuz if they don't then they would have come out to media and let whole world know how well Michael Jackson is still doing.
    But yeah facts speak,thats it.Whole world can't ignore it but yeah some people still can't face the fact that a Black Child came out of poverty and became the most powerful artist in the music industry..I know its little controversial thing that I have said but I do believe it.

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    Default Re: Double Standards (updated)

    Quote Originally Posted by KB50MJ View Post
    Ok, lets tart with the albums he released this decade:

    1. Invincible (2001) - 12 million

    2. Greatest Hits HIStory Volume 1 (2001) - 3 million

    3. Number Ones (2003) - 7 million

    4. Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection (2004) - 500 thousand

    5. The Essential Michael Jackson (2005) - 2.5 million

    6. King of Pop (2008) - 700 thousand

    7. Thriller: 25 (2008) - 3 million

    So just from the albums he released this decade ALONE come to 28.7 million records sold.

    Then add in the album sales of his back-catalog (stuff that he released before this decade) and its a little-bit over 30 million albums.

    THen add in singles and you get anywhere from 35-40 million sold this decade.
    WTF, number ones sold 7 million?! That's insane!
    I'm a fan and I don't even buy those compilation albums.


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