Not that I have anything to really say about your opinions, but I sincerly think you've got "Romanian" and "Rom"/"Romani" mixed up. We call ourself "Rom", pronunced with a heavy accent on the "R", can't really spell the sound I'm trying to get across with text here, but it's like the sound you make when you gather saliva in your mouth before you spit, lol. Just saying, just think you got the 2 expressions mixed up - we've never clamied to be Romanian.. On top of that, our language is even called "Romanes" - again with an heavy accent on the "R"...
Oh, not at all, you misunderstood me, lol. I could never get the two of them mixed, maybe only if I had amnezia or something, lol.
I know that's it's not Rroms (we write it with a double "r" here :scratsch ) who claim to be Romanian, it's people who are
neither Romanian,
nor Rrom. People of other ethnicities who just watch from afar, don't do their research and draw the conclusion that we're one and the same. It's them that get things mixed up.
all she said was that it was Sad people are getting discriminated and yet she gets booed? whats up with these people
That's exactly what's up. How the hell does she know how discriminated gypsies are in Romania? She's speaking from hearsay and making claims that just aren't true. It's the first time she's even been here so she can't possibly know how things work. If she'd been living here for a couple of months at least, then yeah, I'd say she might have a clue. But otherwise, it's senseless talk.
If I came to you and told you: "oh, it's sad that you hate your mother" , you'd boo me as well. While the statement that "it's sad when people hate their mothers" is correct, if it doesn't apply to you, then you will also get mad and feel offended because you know you don't hate your mother. (well, I'm just assuming here, of course, lol)
except for my fellow romanians that answered this post, everybody else seems to miss the point. Madonna wasn't booed because we are racist. but because as Michael said in TDCAU, she put us ALL in a class with a bad name. it's nothing racist here.
i wonder why people pitty gypsies who choose to live as nomads on the streets of the cities and why no one gives a damn on romanians that have two or more university diplomas and are in a state of searching thru garbage for food. i fail to see why gypsies are defended and seen as victims when they are not and when white people (who just happen to be white - one doesn't choose the color of his skin), romanians in this case, are feeling insulted and react is seen as racism.
i have no doubt that there are many gypsies outhere that are good and educated, decent people but most of them are people that one should stay away from.
It is a trend in this world that goes sort of like this:
if one is black and says he's proud of that it's ok
if one is gypsy and says he's proud of that it's ok
if one is asian and says he's proud of that it's ok
if one is white and says he's proud of that it's wrong ....what? how come?
this is sad to see... seems to me equality is not for the white people. And it's understandable since this society is ruled by people who feel "victimized" for no reason at all
those people @ madonna's concert just felt insulted... i wonder why didn't she sang a song of any other minority that lives here in Romania?
Brillian post. I would bold all of it, but then the purpose of bolding would be lost, lol.
I don't think that people who haven't lived there really have the right to judge what sort of attitude towards gypsies is right or wrong. By an American analogy, does being awry of people who you know are part of a violent street gang make you an intolerant bigot?
Again, though, I'm not claiming to know unequivocally what this group is like, but I don't think Madonna knew very much about it either because that's the perception she gives ("we've heard that...").
It's easy to sit around sipping a cappuccino and wag your finger without ever having lived that life.
Yepp, that's exactly the issue. You got it perfectly right
you want me to tell you what gypsies are like? ok here it is there are good and bad gypsies. the good ones I respect them and we get along perfectly I have high school friends who belong to this minority
the bad ones you don't want to get close to and this is an example - when I was in highschool a classmate of mine who was waiting for the bus to go home he was attacked by a gang on 10 gypsies and beaten to death. he underwent 2 brain surgeries and died a week later and the attackers told police they "mistook him" for someone else. he was 18 years old...it was most gratuitous act of violence I've ever seen, it's not the individuals it's the gangs that we have a problem with and I blame it on poverty and lack of education, they give a bad name to the rest of the people belonging to this minority and to us too
Bingo.
Same as you, I respect any Rrom with an education, wishful for a decent job and a decent life. If fact, it's not even a matter of race - I respect
any person with an education, wishful for a decent job and a decent life.
The problem is that the Rroms who belong to "the class with a bad name" (as
ShadowMaster said) simply outnumber the decent ones. When people think of them, the first things that come to mind are the negative ones, and it's because they've made a "reputation" through them. No one but themselves gave them that bad reputation.
Again, cheers to those who are above all that and are respectable members of society. I really hope that more and more will be like that in the future.
