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    Good for the Netherlands.

    I have read about the conflict between Turkey and the Netherlands these days and I have read the governing party's handling of the matter helped them a big deal to win the election. Don't know if that is accurate.

    BTW, Erdogan is nuts.

    Turkish minister claims 'holy wars will soon begin in Europe'
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7632571.html

    Erdogan accuses EU of 'crusade' against Islam
    http://www.dw.com/en/erdogan-accuses...lam/a-37979126

    He also calls Turks living in Europe to "outbreed" Europeans. Erdogan calls on Turkish families in Europe to have five children to protect against 'injustices' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...lwark-against/

    They also try to blackmail Europe with the migrants. Turkey threatens ending EU refugee deal amid diplomatic crisis with Germany and the Netherlands
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7633526.html

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    About Leah Remini's show, Scientology and the Aftermarth, I was left in disbelief the difference there is treatment to average Scientologists and celebrities who are in; the Sea Org members are treated like slaves and celebs don't care about the punishments they're sumitted even though some of them are/were aware of. The policy of disconection against people who leave the organization is hearbraking. They were part of a dangerous cult.
    Scientologists are discouraged from listening to or reading any critical opinion or fact about their religion and they are being told they are lies so unless someone (eg. a celebrity) personally knows about such attrocities I don't think they believe them. Now, some of them may know some things but rationalize it (just like regular members who know things do). That's the power of brainwash. Scientology is a celebrity obsessed cult, so they treat celebs a lot better than regular members, so it may be even more difficult for them to believe that people are treated like crap in the cult.

    For example, John Travolta doesn't strike me as a bad person, I think he may be trapped in the cult - maybe through brainwash, maybe through things the cult knows about him but he isn't ready to share with the public, but he doesn't seem an evil person to me. Now, Tom Cruise is a different matter, I think he is more deeply in it than any other celebrity - being the personal friend of David Miscavige and all. I think it was in the documentary "Going Clear" where they talked about how the cult has built the house of Tom with free labor from members and Tom was perfectly OK with that. Now, things like that are messed up and they make Cruise more complicit in things within the church in my eyes than any other celeb.
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    ^Does that mean the far right didn't win and Muslims won't be deported?
    Well, the PVV still jumped from 10% to 13% of the vote so they did win a few extra seats but they were nowhere near winning the election. And there were other parties with a very progressive, pro-European message (like GL and D66) which gained far more seats. There was never any chance of the PVV being in government since the other parties had already ruled out working with them, although for some reason most international media omitted this from their reporting. The media were also obsessed with Wilders' more extreme comments like closing mosques, banning Muslims and outlawing the Quran, when these things are obviously unconstitutional and would never be approved by Parliament. Wilders himself admitted these comments were merely symbolic although I have no doubt he would put them into practice if he could.

    I just feel relieved that this odious man was rejected by the overwhelming majority of my country and we can go back to business as usual. And whatever the next government will be, it is sure to be reliably pro-European, which is important at a time when Russia and Turkey are becoming more agressive.

    @ Respect77, speaking of Erdogan, this never gets old (turn on subtitles)



    The man is indeed nuts but he has large support among the Turkish diaspora. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins the referendum granting him more power.

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    I agree John is less complicit than Tom but it's mentioned in the Going Clear doc he knew his former friend Spanky Taylor (the person who introduced Scientology to Priscilla) was in The Hole but did nothing about it; it didn't specify the extent of his knowledge though. Perhaps they blackmailed him to use his deepest secrets against him if he leaves the cult (there are way too many rumors of John having affairs with men for example) but he has benefits staying in it, less than Tom, I bet but still.

    Since I found out about the treatment The Sea Org members recieve and basically many of them are Tom's slaves, I have mixed feeling towards him. On one hand, I like many of his movies, he's a very talented actor, on the other as a person the fact he's ok the people working around him being exploited and abused, makes him absolutely despicable and contemptible. I know many of the former members rationalized the craziness and abuse they went through but after a while they snapped and couldn't take it anymore, Tom could single-handedly end Scientology if he wanted to do the right thing. I wonder if he will ever say enough is enough.
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    @ Respect77, speaking of Erdogan, this never gets old (turn on subtitles)



    The man is indeed nuts but he has large support among the Turkish diaspora. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins the referendum granting him more power.
    I don't know what Merkel was thinking to make a deal with him. IMO Europe has to be able to control its own borders without having to rely and having to be dependent on anyone else.


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    Tom could single-handedly end Scientology if he wanted to do the right thing. I wonder if he will ever say enough is enough.
    Since this I am not sure if he is even totally sane.



    But if you don't want to watch it full, this parody sums it up.

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    ^^Well played respect, well played! If fellow Scientologists themselves thought Tom went off his rocket taking into account the cult itself has batshit crazy beliefs, Cruise really lost his marbles and the media and the general public thought Michael was crazy. Someone has to have a colossal ego, to be out of their mind to attack a peer reviewed field of medicine that has proven its effectiveness treated various mental illnesses or disorders or anyone seeking psychiatric treatment without shred of evidence what they're talking about to think their so called religion is the answers to those illnesses just because the psychiatric association laughed at the claims of L. Ron Hubbard. If religions/cults are that detrimental to humankind, they must dissapear.

    I'm still puzzled Brooke Shieldz went to Tom's wedding despite his vicious attack towards her because she took medications to treat her postpartum depression. I assume he invited her but if I were Brooke, I wouldn't have gone to his wedding.
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    They really used Mission Impossible music in the background the entire Tom Cruise speech? hahaha! Makes for one long/bad trailer for the movies....
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    Pakistan asks Facebook to help fight blasphemy

    • 17 March 2017
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    Pakistan says it has asked Facebook to help investigate "blasphemous content" posted on the social network by Pakistanis.
    Facebook has agreed to send a team to Pakistan to address reservations about content on the social media site, according to the interior ministry.
    Blasphemy is a highly sensitive and incendiary issue in Pakistan.


    Critics say blasphemy laws, which allow the death penalty in some cases, are often misused to oppress minorities.

    Earlier this week Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif voiced his support for a wide-ranging crackdown on blasphemous content on social media.




    In a statement on his party's official Twitter account, he described blasphemy as an "unpardonable offence".


    Then on Thursday, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar reasserted Pakistan's determination to tackle the issue, saying he would take "any steps necessary" to make sure Pakistan's message got across.


    He said he had asked officials to liaise with the FBI in the US and with social media platforms on a daily basis.
    "Facebook and other service providers should share all information about the people behind this blasphemous content with us," he is quoted as saying by the Dawn newspaper.


    There has been little official description of what blasphemous content has been found online so far, but in the past blasphemy accusations have ranged from depictions of the Prophet Muhammad to critiques and inappropriate references to the Koran.
    But some critics say that this latest move is simply a way of cracking down on dissent.

    When five liberal bloggers and activists recently went missing, they were accused of blasphemy on social media. It is a very serious allegation in the deeply conservative nation, which can make those accused of it a target of public anger.

    Analysis - Tahir Imran, BBC Urdu social media editor


    In Pakistan there is a growing popular resentment to this so-called "blasphemous content" on social media, especially on Facebook.


    People are often openly accused of "committing blasphemy on social media". One top security agency has openly urged the masses to report anyone who is involved in posting such material online.


    Digital rights groups have expressed "serious reservations" and have called such steps "playing with the lives of innocent people".

    They have also criticised Facebook "for colluding with authorities and censoring content infringing freedom of expression".


    In a statement quoted by the AP news agency, Facebook said it viewed government requests with care keeping in mind "the goal of protecting the privacy and rights of our users.


    "We disclose information about accounts solely in accordance with our terms of service and applicable law. A Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty or other formal request may be required for international requests, and we include these in our Government Requests Report.''


    But Facebook has not yet made any public comment about a delegation being sent to Pakistan.


    Pakistan has often blocked access to pornographic sites and sites with anti-Islamic content and in 2010 a Pakistani court blocked Facebook over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
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    This is something that we have talked about here before. It amazes me how Muslims do not realize how even if it is "just symbolic" it is precisely a symbol that places man above woman and it is humiliating to women therefore cannot be reconciled with modern human rights.

    Western Muslim women's group demonstrate how their husbands should beat them




    TODAY show host Ben Fordham has called out an Islamic group which produced a video claiming it was acceptable for men to hit their wives "gently" using short sticks and pieces of fabric.

    The video, which was shot during an all-women's event in Sydney's west andposted to Facebook by the women’s branch of Hizb Ut-Tahrir, was revealed byThe Australian newspaper this morning.

    It features two Muslim women explaining that according to their understanding of Islam, men can discipline their wives by "hitting" them with a small stick or twisted scarf so as not to cause pain.

    "It's very evident that this is symbolic in nature," one of the women says.


    Fordham said the video echoed recent comments by Australian Federation of Islamic Councils President Keysar Trad, who sparked controversy when he suggested an angry husband could beat his wife as a “last resort”.

    Mr Trad later backtracked on the comment and described it as a “slip up”.

    But Fordham said the new Facebook video was more proof that moderate Muslims need new leadership in Australia.

    "Make no mistake, these views belong to some but not all followers of the Islamic faith," Fordham said.

    “But when you have people in positions of power spreading dangerous messages, it is important to call them out.

    “It’s never okay to hit your wife. Never. That’s called assault. If you hit a woman, you’re a coward. It’s not okay to hit your wife gently, or softly, or occasionally or any other way you want to spin it.
    “It’s assault. It’s illegal. It’s wrong.”

    The passionate host said domestic violence shouldn’t be “downplayed”.
    “Just stop. We have young Muslim women growing up in this country and they need to know they have the same rights as anyone else. They live in Australia.
    “They don’t need these so-called leaders telling them they’re punching bags.”
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...-islamic-group

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    I truly believe political correctness has given Islam and Muslims a lot of pass on regressive and detrimental ideas and behaviors that shouldn't have s place in the 21st century. It's sad to see some western Muslim women don't take advantage of living in freer countries compared to women who live in places where Islam is a theocracy.
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    A little step ahead in Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia to let women work and study without man's permission

    Deeply conservative kingdom is one of most gender-segregated countries in the world

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    Saudi Arabia plans to give women more control over their lives through study, work and hospital treatment.

    The deeply conservative kingdom is one of the most gender-segregated countries in the world, where women live under the supervision of a male guardian, cannot drive, and must wear head-to-toe black garments in public.

    But Saudi media outlets have reported that the country's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud has issued an order allowing women to benefit from government services such as education and healthcare without getting the consent of a male guardian.

    Last month there was outrage when the country was elected to the UN's women's commission, whose role is to shape "global standards on gender equality and the empowerment of women".

    The UK Foreign Office refused to deny Britain had voted for Saudi Arabia's ascension to the body, but Belgium's prime minister said he "regretted" his ambassador's vote in favour.

    The new changes mean women could, in some circumstances, study and access hospital treatment, work in the public and private sector and represent themselves in court without consent of a male guardian, said Maha Akeel, a women's rights campaigner and a director at Jeddah-based Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

    "Now at least it opens the door for discussion on the guardian system," Ms Akeel told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. "Women are independent and can take care of themselves."

    It comes as the latest in a series of moves in Saudi Arabia to include women more in the workforce as the kingdom moves to diversify its economy and cut reliance on oil.

    The trend started in 2011 when the late King Abdullah allowed women onto the government advisory Shura Council. Women can now vote in municipal elections, work in some retail and hospitality jobs and were allowed to compete in the Olympics for the first time in 2012.

    However Saudi Arabia was still ranked 141 of 144 countries in the 2016 Global Gender Gap, a World Economic Forum study on how women fare in economic and political participation, health and education.

    The system of ma;e guardianship, which requires women to obtain permission from a guardian - father, husband, or son - to travel, study or marry is an impediment to realising women's rights, say rights groups.

    "Male guardianship is un-Islamic and humiliating for women," said Ms Akeel. "Some (men) take advantage of this male guardianship for their own benefit and abuse it."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721641.html

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    One major thing that has kept many Islamic nations 'behind' is how much people were govern/how thick the clothe has been from what the rest of the world is really like.. (This is a deeper issue than political correctness). Now with the explosion of the internet - having people from islamic nations being able to peak outside it created an explosion of another sort. the uprisings, overthrowing of governments and secularization of cultures.. The progressive movement we will see within the next 30 years will be far more than the previous 30 years..

    the 'explosion' I speak of did create other issues (ie no gvmt also means a free for all havoc).. but that's another discussion
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    The World Congress of Families (WCF) holds its annual conference in Budapest today - with full support of the populist, right-wing Hungarian government. It has close ties with Russia as well.

    The World Congress of Families is a United States coalition that promotes Christian right values internationally.[2] It opposes same-sex marriage, pornography, and abortion, while supporting a society built on "the voluntary union of a man and a woman in a lifelong covenant of marriage".[3][4][5][6] WCF comprises organizations in several countries, and most of its member partners are strongly active campaigners for pro-life positions and specific Christian views on marriage that oppose same-sex marriage.[7] WCF was formed in 1997 and is active worldwide, regularly organizing "large international 'pro-family' conventions".[8] Its opposition to gay marriage and abortion has attracted criticism.[9] It was added to the list of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as anti-LGBT hate groups in February 2014 for its involvement with the 2013 Russian LGBT propaganda law and opposing LGBT rights internationally.[10][11][12][13]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ss_of_Families

    I just read a report about the first day on a Hungarian website and it seems this time the focus was on attacking women's rights and liberalism.

    One speaker, Levan Vasadze of Georgia (not the US state Georgia but the country) compared liberalism to fascism and communism.

    Then came Dmitry Smirnov, a patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church who stated that mankind went wrong when it has allowed women to work. Previously he called women who chose abortion "cannibals". This time he did not go that far, he only stated that humankind destroys itself with the many abortions and divorces. He stated that the devil has succeeded when it seperated the woman from the family - ie. when women were allowed to work - which in his opinion gave sovereignty to women and thus destroyed the family.

    Then came Lawrence Khong from Singapore, a Christian pastor, who went on an anti-LGBTQ rant.

    There was a video message from Alveda C. King, a niece of Martin Luther King, who is anti-abortion activist. Of course, she stated that her uncle would have supported the anti-abortion movement. She praised Trump's policy of denying fund of NGOs which even talk about abortion and she also praised the policy of the Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán.

    The came Janine Crouse CEO of the IX. WCF who used to work in the UN during George W. Bush's presidency. She was ranting against the UN and criticized them as the biggest obstacle against the promotion of "family values". According to her the UN promotes women's rights so much because they want to change the laws and cultures in the world, attack marriage etc. Since this is coming from a report and not as a direct quote I have no idea if this is an accurate representation of what she said but if she really said this this must be one of the highlights of the conference in terms of stupid statements - and that's big feat considering it was full of stupid statements. So here is it from the report:

    "According to Crouse no one would deny that women's have human rights. But whether women's rights are human rights is another matter."
    WTH?

    BTW, there is an irony in a woman saying this, as well as there is an irony that the official host of the conference from the part of the Hungarian government was a woman, Katalin Novák. I don't know how they reconcile it with the general message of the conference which was basically that women should be sent back to the kitchen instead of allowed to work. Or does that apply only to other women?

    Novák was also among the speakers. She too talked about the UN as she told about how Hungarian government politicians are often criticized "because of certain matters". As an example she mentioned the attitude towards same-sex marriage to which she answered "in Hungary that is very simple: our Constitution says that marriage is between one man and one woman." Yes, because this government changed the Constitution to say that. Before that it said marrige was the union of two people.

    Then she projected a photo which showed all the European top politicians who don't have children. Then she put it side by side with Hungarian government politicians to show how many children they have and how successful family politics has been in Hungary since 2010.

    That's completely ridiculous. In Hungary the number of the population heavily declines because of two factors - and one has all to do with Fidesz's (the government party) politics: ie. the mass immigration to the West. So while unemployment used to be high in Hungary in the past, now the tide is turning and now the HUGE problem is the lack of workforce. Because a lot of people move to Western Europe - not least because they are fed up with Fidesz - and exactly of their primitive politics with feudalist views. Of course, also because of much bigger wages.

    The other factor is the general reproduction decline that is characteristic of all Western societies as well. Although critics of the government will sometimes point to the bad economical situation here as a reason, that I don't think to be fair. I would not blame this one on the government as this phenomenon also exists in Western Europe with much better economics.

    However, the claim that they have achieved any success in family politics, eg. in turning around these tendencies is a big fat lie. And what does the number of politician's children have to do with anything - ie. with a bigger picture of a country's success in family politics?

    Then there was Alexey Komov, who is tought to be the direct contact between WCF and the money of Russian Putin-supporting oligarchs. He advocated home schooling. He pointed to how many Christian Americans choose home schooling and claimed that these children end up being better in their studies and how Harvard and Yale are fighting for them.

    Of course why many Christian Americans choose home schooling is clear: they can avoid their children being taught about some to Christianity inconvenient science - namely and mainly the theory of evolution, of course. Although Komov pointed to another "bad" which prompts American Christian parents to choose home schooling: sexual education. OMG, the horror that children will be taught about that in school!

    As a personal anecdote: I remember when we had sexual education in primary school and my father (who was already a fundamentalist Christian by then) was freaked out about it. And I was like, what's the big deal? I think I already knew most things by then anyway, but it wasn't a big deal to me at all. It was only the prudery of fundamentalist Christians that turned it into a big deal. The irony is that actually it was my father who introduced me to sexual education several years earlier when he was not yet a fundamentalist Christian - he must have forgotten that in his newly found Christian zeal and outrage. LOL.

    I also find it ironic, that many of these right-wing populists love to scare people with the prospect of Sharia being introduced in Europe when what they are working on and the kind of society they'd like to see is closer to that than to the liberal democratic values which are based on human rights. They'd like to see a patriarchal society where women are financially and economically dependent on men thus do not have any souverignity. They'd like to see a society where LGBTQ people are deprived of their rights and demonized. They'd like to see a society where churches have a say in what women do with their body and not the individual.

    BTW, initially Ben Carson (US Republican presidential candidate in the latest elections) was on the list of speakers as well, but at the end he did not come.

    The official website of the WCF: https://wcf11.org/wcf-xi-description


    Some more info about the WCF:

    The Human Rights Campaign called WCF "one of the most influential groups in America promoting and coordinating the exportation of anti-LGBT bigotry, ideology, and legislation abroad" and stated that their international conferences comprise "the most fringe activists engaged in anti-LGBT extremism".[8][17] According to the HRC, the WCF and its affiliates are also linked to anti-LGBT advocacy in numerous countries, including on the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, the Russian LGBT propaganda law, and Nigeria.[8]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ss_of_Families
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    I did some more Google search on WCF. Here is an article from 2015.

    What the World Congress of Families Tells Us About the Global ‘Pro-Family’ Movement

    By Peter Montgomery | November 5, 2015 4:28 pm





    The World Congress of Families — an organization that hosts an annual global gathering of “pro-family” advocates — brought together more than 3,300 people in Salt Lake City last week. The summit included authors and counselors focused on strengthening marriages as well as academics talking about the social and economic consequences of later marriages, declining birthrates and widespread divorce. It also included and anti-reproductive-choice activists from around the globe, as well as hundreds of “emerging leaders” expected to lead the movement into the future.


    We’ve reported on individual speakers and will continue to do so as we dig through a week’s worth of notes and recordings — and a shopping bag full of books and other swag. But what’s the big picture? What does the WCF tell us about the state of the global Religious Right?


    There were differences in priorities and approaches among the participants, but among the themes that emerged:


    They See Themselves at War with the Enemies of God


    Warfare imagery was common at WCF and the preceding gay-focused Stand4Truth event organized by people who needed just a little more anti-gay intensity than the WCF schedule promised. The “natural family” and “complementary” male-female gender roles were ordained by God, and therefore proponents of feminist or gender ideologies or notions of LGBT equality are not only political opponents but spiritual ones, out to destroy both the natural family and religious freedom.


    Francisco Tatad, a former senate majority leader in the Philippines, said the threat to the family and human society is not simply those who deny God, but those who actually hate God:


    The global attack on human dignity, on the integrity of the human person, and the family, is ultimately an attack on God. The war of religions is over, but the war on religion has hardly begun. And the target is no longer any individual religion in particular, but God himself. He has become the arch-enemy.


    American Hispanic evangelical leader Samuel Rodriguez:


    So I can share with you the fact that there is a spiritual battle, a spiritual battle, to annihilate the idea, the construct, God’s ordained institution of la familia. It is a battle. It even, before it’s a political battle or a legislative battle, it is, above all things, a spiritual battle.

    And, engaging biblical allusions, it’s the spirit of Pharaoh, once again attempting to force and prompt families to make bricks without straw and to maintain families in the Egypt of bondage and fear. It is the spirit of Goliath, of intimidation. It is the spirit of Jezebel, an attempt to destroy the family via the conduit of sexual perversion and manipulation. It is the spirit of Herod, killing families through abortion, killing families through sex trafficking and violence against our children, disconnecting the child from mom and dad. These spirits are alive and well today, not only in America but across the world.



    Rafael Cruz, father of Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz,
    declared, “What we see in America right now is an outright attack on Christianity.” Paige Patterson, president of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and former head of the Southern Baptist Convention, decreed that “a few rogue lawyers claiming to be the Supreme Court of the United States of America has no right to act in such a way as to restrict our freedom of religion.” Patterson told the story of a missionary doctor killed by Chinese communists in the 1950s, and declared about religious freedom, “Today the blood of thousands of martyrs calls out to all of us, ‘Do not squander the greatest and most costly gift bequeathed to you by the founders of this nation.’”



    They’re Intensely Committed to Enforcing Traditional Gender Roles



    The catch-all term used by the global Religious Right for just about everything it doesn’t like is “gender ideology” — something that can encompass opposition to sex education, contraception, abortion, cohabitation, marriage equality and legal recognition for LGBT people.


    At WCF, speaker after speaker talked about the “complementarity” between men and women as something that was divinely ordained — grounded biblically in the Genesis creation story in which God made humankind male and female. God’s creation of two genders was cited as a sacred rationale for opposing gay couples being allowed to marry or be parents — and for denying the very existence of transgender people, who were portrayed as sick and pathetic. One of the most reliable ways to try to get a laugh at WCF was to make a joke about Caitlyn Jenner. Rafael Cruz even pulled out the old chestnut that God had created “Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”


    Glenn Stanton, director of Global Family Formation Studies at Focus on the Family, said new findings on gender differences support his basic premise: “that men and women are different, and that men and women need each other in those differences.” As a scientist, he said, he believes there is evidence across cultures of a universal male and female nature. And as a Christian, he said, the issue is a theological one, grounded in the creation story declares humans male and female, who together “uniquely, mysteriously image the nature of God in the world.” He displayed a William Blake painting, “Satan Gazing Upon the Caresses of Adam and Eve” and said:

    Satan came to attack humanity, not just by approaching Eve or Adam but what William Blake is telling us here is to attack a couple. He sees that man, he sees that woman, he sees them loving one another, and he says, ‘I know who loved one another, the Trinity, God, and I hate them, so I must break this up.’ The original attack was not on two human beings, it was on a man and a woman. And that attack continues today, because Satan knows what male and female represent.
    Theresa Okafor, a WCF representative from Nigeria who was honored at the conference, said the complementarity of the sexes “comes from God.” She complained that Western feminist ideas threaten the family by demonizing patriarchy, blurring lines of gender and making women feel that they are autonomous from men. (In contrast, she cited as one positive example of strong cultural support for the family in Africa the fact that a woman who went to the police to report being beaten by her husband would be told to go home and settle with him.)


    Every WCF participant received a copy of the Mormon Church’s 1995 Proclamation of the Family, which portrays men’s roles as providers and women’s as nurturers to be essential to God’s plan. It declares, “Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”


    Miriam Grossman is a psychiatrist whose blog identifies her as “One Hundred Percent MD. Zero Percent PC.” She insisted, “A man cannot be transformed into a woman, or a woman into a man. It is simply impossible” and decried that popular culture’s focus on transgender issues was perpetuating a “lie” and a “delusion.”


    They Don’t Want To Be Called Anti-Gay While Being Anti-Gay



    Well, at least some of them, anyway. Before the conference started, WCF responded to its critics by claiming that being pro-family was not the same as being anti-gay, and declared that it would never support policies that harm individual people. But in fact the program was full of people who have a record of demonizing LGBT people, including those who have actively supported laws that not only criminalize gay sexual activity but even make it a crime for gays to meet with each other or advocate for their rights.


    Portraying LGBT people as a threat to children has a decades-long pedigree, including the activism of Anita Bryant, California’s Prop 8 and succeeding state constitutional amendment campaigns, and this week’s vote in Houston, where an anti-discrimination ordinance was rejected after an ugly, dishonest campaign portraying it as an open door to child molesters. Gwen Landolt, a Canadian who has been active in WCF, called it intolerable that innocent children are being “used as tools of social engineering” by being fostered or adopted by gay couples. And she said that children’s character is being deformed because schools are teaching that homosexual relationships are the equal of heterosexual ones.



    As BuzzFeed’s Lester Feder pointed out, there’s division within the movement about the usefulness of strident rhetoric that, for example, equates gays with pedophilia. That division was clear at WCF. The opening keynote address was given by Russell Ballard, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Ballard explained that Mormon theology of the family is integral to the church’s defense of “traditional marriage,” but he also touted the church’s willingness to back the Utah compromise, an agreement reached earlier this year in which the church supported legal protections against housing and employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity in return for the inclusion of broad religious exemptions. Said Ballard,


    We demonstrate our best humanity when we show love and kindness to all of God’s children. We demonstrate our discipleship when we refuse strident tones, when we refuse derisive labels, and when we enter the public square seeking fair outcomes through understanding and mutual respect.
    Ballard’s standard was violated frequently at WCF, including during its closing keynote from Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma University, whose address was an angry rant against liberal “ideological fascism.” Piper angrily asserted that “the rainbow banner of tolerance has become the dark flag of tyranny almost overnight.” Some conference participants objected to the Utah compromise; Austin Ruse of C-Fam has called it “lunacy” for the Mormon Church to engage in a nonaggression pact with the LGBT movement.


    Another voice heard on the opening day of the conference was that of Gov. Gary Herbert, who welcomed participants to Utah, declaring “We are a great state with wonderful people and wonderful families of different varieties in this state.” That was a nod toward the kind of inclusive definition of family that is being ferociously fought by WCF partner groups at the United Nations and other international bodies. Activists like C-Fam’s Ruse and Family Watch International’s Sharon Slater bragged at WCF about their work to eliminate references to “various forms of the family” from international human rights documents.


    They’re Not Going Anywhere: They’re Organized and Organizing and God is on their Side



    There was some difference of opinion among WCF speakers, based on where they are from and whether they are more focused on abortion or LGBT issues, about the extent to which they are currently losing or winning the global culture war. But there was virtual unanimity that with God on their side and a commitment to collaborative organizing, they will ultimately be victorious in defeating the LGBT movement, resisting the advance of “gender ideology,” and resurrecting as a cultural norm, protected and promoted in law, the “natural family” — a mom and a dad and a whole lot of children.


    Allan Carlson, retiring after years at the head of WCF’s sponsoring organization, the Howard Center for Family, Religion and Society, talked about his forthcoming book, which portrays the weakening and strengthening of family systems in America since 1630 as following 50 year swings. According to Carlson, we could be “on the cusp of a great wave of new family morality,” poised for a generational upswing— a return to early marriage, appreciation for the complementarity between men and women, and higher fertility. Carlson said the sexual revolution “regime” is “crumbling even at the point where it seems to be winning.”


    Warren Cole Smith, a vice president of the Colson Center and co-author of “Restoring All Things,” recounted the story of a friend who received a call from someone nearly in despair after the Supreme Court’s marriage equality ruling, saying “it’s over.” Smith recalled his response:


    What is over? What exactly is over? Has God left his throne? He has not. Is He not still sovereign? He is. When the Obergefell decision came down from the Supreme Court, did God say, ‘Wow, I sure didn’t see that coming.’? Friends, He did not say that….

    The story of the universe God is still writing, the arc of history is still unfolding. Unlike what our friend said, it is not over. And I’ve read the last chapter of the book, and guess what? God wins.

    That’s not to say that between now and then we won’t have lots of battles to fight and lots of problems so solve. But I want to be clear, I think we should be happy warriors in this process, knowing that God is indeed building the house. God is indeed on our side. And we have the great joy of participating in what God is doing in the world, if only we will.
    The World Congress of Families, with its dozens of partner organizations and more than 3,300 participants from 65 countries, is a dramatic demonstration of the institutional cultural, legal, and political infrastructure that has been built by conservative religious organizations not only in the U.S. but around the globe, with financial and strategic support flowing in all directions.

    Seasoned activists and the hundreds of “emerging leaders” had the opportunity to get training in starting a new organization and raising money online from Ignacio Arsuaga, whose HazteOir and CitizenGo platforms have put social-media organizing techniques developed in the U.S. into the hands of conservatives in Europe and elsewhere with campaigns in an expanding number of languages. Conference attendees could take a workshop on messaging from Frank Schubert, the mastermind of fearmongering strategies used by campaigns against marriage equality in the U.S. They could study networking and coalition building with Alexey Komov, the Russian activist who says that Russia and Eastern Europe, having been helped by Western countries to throw off communism, can now return the favor by helping the West defeat the new totalitarianism of the sexual revolution.
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    Found more about this year's event:

    Meet The U.S. Religious Right’s International Friends

    By Peter Montgomery | May 25, 2017 4:38 pm



    This year’s World Congress of Families global summit of social conservatives officially gets under way in Budapest on Friday. Many participants will also be taking part in a “demographic summit” on Thursday, which will be addressed by Hungary’s strongman leader and WCF “hero” Viktor Orbán.


    Earlier this week we reported on some of the American figures speaking at this year’s summit, the first global event since the WCF became a project of Brian Brown’s new International Organization for the Family. Today we take a look at some of their allies from around the world, many of whom actively support laws that not only criminalize same-sex sexual conduct but also criminalize advocacy for LGBTQ equality.


    A number of the WCF’s scheduled speakers joined Brown in Cape Town, South Africa in December to launch the IOF and its so-called Cape Town Declaration, an anti-LGBTQ manifesto that can be seen as the international counterpart to the U.S. Religious Right’s Manhattan Declaration. Many also attended last year’s WCF summit in Tbilisi, Georgia, at which a major theme was railing against the secular, decadent West, and the 2015 event in Salt Lake City, Utah.


    Several Orbán government officials will be speaking, including Katalin Novák, the Secretary of State for Youth, Family and International Affairs, who helped launch the IOF and who heads the local organizing committee for this year’s summit. Also speaking is Zoltan Balog, a cabinet member who heads the Ministry of Human Capacities. Other government officials include Inga Yumasheva from the Russian Duma’s Committee for Families, Women and Children and Toby Okechukwu, a member of the Nigerian parliament.


    Here are some of the activists the U.S. Religious Right will be embracing this weekend:



    • Levan Vasadze was director of last year’s WCF in Georgia, where he bitterly criticized the West for funding nongovernmental organizations that he said were “poisoning” the minds of the younger generation and breeding a “spirit of anti-traditional cynicism” through a “totalitarian dictatorship of liberals” in education and media.
    • Alexey Komov, the WCF’s representative in Russia, works closely with an Orthodox billionaire who literally wants to make Vladimir Putin a Tsar. At a 2014 WCF press conference in Washington, D.C., Komov responded to questions about Russia and Putin with a ranting critique of the U.S. that included 9/11 conspiracy theories. In December, he was in South Africa to help Brown launch the IOF and pledged to generate support in the Russian parliament.
    • Theresa Okafor is a WCF representative in Africa who was honored at the Salt Lake City summit. Okafor enthusiastically defends some African countries’ laws calling for long jail sentences for homosexual conduct. At the 2012 WCF in Madrid she even speculated that Western countries advocating for gay rights in Africa were involved in a conspiracy with terrorist group Boko Haram to “silence Christians.”
    • Rebekah Ali-Gouveia is WCF’s representative for the Caribbean and was honored with WCF’s Natural Family Award in part for her work organizing WCF regional gatherings that brought many U.S. Religious Right activists to the region. She is also an allied attorney with the Alliance Defending Freedom.
    • Sophia Kuby is the director of European Union advocacy for the international arm of the Religious Right legal group Alliance Defending Freedom. In April, she participated in a meeting of another international social conservative network, the Political Network for Values; the theme of that gathering was “How Far Can We Get?” Adina Portaru is also affiliated with ADF International.
    • Ignacio Arsuaga runs HazteOir, an online organizing platform for social conservatives that is based in Spain. HazteOir hosted WCF’s 2012 summit in Madrid and in 2013, bused supporters into France to take part in anti-marriage-equality protests. Arsuaga is also a colleague of Brian Brown’s on the board of CitizenGo, which sponsored this year’s multi-country anti-transgender bus tour and billboard campaign.
    • Luca Volonte, an Italian politician who received WCF’s Familia Et Veritas Award in 2015, is president of the Novae Terrae Foundation and also a member of CitizenGo’s board of trustees. In 2010, he led a successful effort in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to withdraw a report on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. In April, BuzzFeed reported that Volonte was under investigation by Italian prosecutors “for allegedly accepting millions in exchange for helping muzzle Europe’s top human rights body.”
    • Natlia Yakunina, with Sanctity of Motherhood, helped organize the not-officially-WCF summit in Moscow in 2014; a brochure described her and husband Vladimir Yakunin alongside Putin as staples of the “pro-life and pro-family movement in Russia.” She has called WCF’s Larry Jacobs “our old friend and ally in pro-family movement.”
    • Željka Markić, who led a successful anti-marriage-equality initiative in Croatia, is on the Citizen’s Committee proposing a Mum, Dad & Kids Initiative in Europe that would strike protections for LGBTQ families from EU regulations. Her family and her group, In the Name of the Family, are well connected to conservative Catholic organizations in Croatia and Europe. She spoke at the IOF launch in South Africa, saying, “We all have to continue to fight for protection of marriage and family because this is the only future the human race has.”
    • Maria Hildingsson is Secretary General of the European Federation of Catholic Family Associations. She is also a member of the Mum, Dad & Kids Citizens’ Committee. She opposes promotion of “gender ideology” and opposed the marriage equality referendum in Ireland. Her group joined an international effort to oppose an inclusive definition of family during UN deliberations on sustainable development goals.
    • Errol Naidoo, is president of the Family Policy Institute in South Africa, a group he started after a six-month “training mission” at the Family Research Council. He also has a working relationship with the Alliance Defending Freedom. Naidoo spoke at the launch of IOF and its Cape Town Declaration.
    • Ann Kioko, founder and president of the African Organization for Families, was an organizer of a WCF regional gathering in Kenya last year. Her group will co-sponsor another regional conference in Malawi this October, which is designed to “resist the increasing secular influence in the world to follow the culture of death.”
    • Lola Volarde is the UN representative for the Family Policy Institute, which is based in Madrid and works primarily in Europe and Latin America to promote the “natural family.” Volarde is a repeat WCF speaker.
    • Christine de Marcellus de Vollmer of the Latin American Alliance for the Family in Venezuela[] promotes an educational curriculum that teaches, among other things, gender difference and “complementarity.” At the not-officially-WCF summit in Moscow in 2014, she said her efforts were meant to help counter pressures on families and “laws imposing anti-life and anti-family ideologies.”
    • Francisco Tatad, a former senate majority leader in the Philippines, spoke at the 2015 WCF summit, where he said those who threaten the family are people who hate God and have made Him their arch-enemy.
    • Lyle Shelton represents the Australian Christian Lobby, which has been resisting marriage equality in Australia.
    • Silvio Dalla Valle, another WCF regular, works with the Association for the Defense of Christian Values, which is “inspired by the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church” and is active in Italy and Eastern Europe; in 2010 he received a “Global Leadership Award” from WCF’s former parent organization, the Howard Center.


    Also participating are a number of religious leaders from Hungary and around the world:


    • Cardinal Péter Erdő, Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest and Primate of Hungary
    • Msgr. László Bíró, Bishop for Family Affairs, Hungarian Catholic Bishops’ Conference
    • Bishop Dr. István Bogárdi Szabó, parish president of the Hungarian Reformed Church Synod
    • József Steinbach, Bishop, Reformed Church in Hungary
    • Slomo Köves, Executive Rabbi of EMIH Unified Hungarian Jewish Congregation
    • Péter Gáncs, Evangelical Bishop (video message)
    • Rev. Dmitry Smirnov, Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarchal Commission on the family
    • Apostle Lawrence Khong, Senior Pastor, Faith Community Baptist Church, Singapore
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    This documentary about Intelligent Design being on trial is awesome. Evolution swept the floor with ID in a Court and ID's supporters were unable to prove that ID was a legit scientific theory.


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