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    Good for the Netherlands.

    I have read about the conflict between Turkey and the Netherlands these days and I have read the governing party's handling of the matter helped them a big deal to win the election. Don't know if that is accurate.

    BTW, Erdogan is nuts.

    Turkish minister claims 'holy wars will soon begin in Europe'
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7632571.html

    Erdogan accuses EU of 'crusade' against Islam
    http://www.dw.com/en/erdogan-accuses...lam/a-37979126

    He also calls Turks living in Europe to "outbreed" Europeans. Erdogan calls on Turkish families in Europe to have five children to protect against 'injustices' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...lwark-against/

    They also try to blackmail Europe with the migrants. Turkey threatens ending EU refugee deal amid diplomatic crisis with Germany and the Netherlands
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7633526.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Snow White luvs Peter Pan View Post
    About Leah Remini's show, Scientology and the Aftermarth, I was left in disbelief the difference there is treatment to average Scientologists and celebrities who are in; the Sea Org members are treated like slaves and celebs don't care about the punishments they're sumitted even though some of them are/were aware of. The policy of disconection against people who leave the organization is hearbraking. They were part of a dangerous cult.
    Scientologists are discouraged from listening to or reading any critical opinion or fact about their religion and they are being told they are lies so unless someone (eg. a celebrity) personally knows about such attrocities I don't think they believe them. Now, some of them may know some things but rationalize it (just like regular members who know things do). That's the power of brainwash. Scientology is a celebrity obsessed cult, so they treat celebs a lot better than regular members, so it may be even more difficult for them to believe that people are treated like crap in the cult.

    For example, John Travolta doesn't strike me as a bad person, I think he may be trapped in the cult - maybe through brainwash, maybe through things the cult knows about him but he isn't ready to share with the public, but he doesn't seem an evil person to me. Now, Tom Cruise is a different matter, I think he is more deeply in it than any other celebrity - being the personal friend of David Miscavige and all. I think it was in the documentary "Going Clear" where they talked about how the cult has built the house of Tom with free labor from members and Tom was perfectly OK with that. Now, things like that are messed up and they make Cruise more complicit in things within the church in my eyes than any other celeb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow White luvs Peter Pan View Post
    ^Does that mean the far right didn't win and Muslims won't be deported?
    Well, the PVV still jumped from 10% to 13% of the vote so they did win a few extra seats but they were nowhere near winning the election. And there were other parties with a very progressive, pro-European message (like GL and D66) which gained far more seats. There was never any chance of the PVV being in government since the other parties had already ruled out working with them, although for some reason most international media omitted this from their reporting. The media were also obsessed with Wilders' more extreme comments like closing mosques, banning Muslims and outlawing the Quran, when these things are obviously unconstitutional and would never be approved by Parliament. Wilders himself admitted these comments were merely symbolic although I have no doubt he would put them into practice if he could.

    I just feel relieved that this odious man was rejected by the overwhelming majority of my country and we can go back to business as usual. And whatever the next government will be, it is sure to be reliably pro-European, which is important at a time when Russia and Turkey are becoming more agressive.

    @ Respect77, speaking of Erdogan, this never gets old (turn on subtitles)



    The man is indeed nuts but he has large support among the Turkish diaspora. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins the referendum granting him more power.

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    I agree John is less complicit than Tom but it's mentioned in the Going Clear doc he knew his former friend Spanky Taylor (the person who introduced Scientology to Priscilla) was in The Hole but did nothing about it; it didn't specify the extent of his knowledge though. Perhaps they blackmailed him to use his deepest secrets against him if he leaves the cult (there are way too many rumors of John having affairs with men for example) but he has benefits staying in it, less than Tom, I bet but still.

    Since I found out about the treatment The Sea Org members recieve and basically many of them are Tom's slaves, I have mixed feeling towards him. On one hand, I like many of his movies, he's a very talented actor, on the other as a person the fact he's ok the people working around him being exploited and abused, makes him absolutely despicable and contemptible. I know many of the former members rationalized the craziness and abuse they went through but after a while they snapped and couldn't take it anymore, Tom could single-handedly end Scientology if he wanted to do the right thing. I wonder if he will ever say enough is enough.

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    @ Respect77, speaking of Erdogan, this never gets old (turn on subtitles)



    The man is indeed nuts but he has large support among the Turkish diaspora. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually wins the referendum granting him more power.
    I don't know what Merkel was thinking to make a deal with him. IMO Europe has to be able to control its own borders without having to rely and having to be dependent on anyone else.


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    Tom could single-handedly end Scientology if he wanted to do the right thing. I wonder if he will ever say enough is enough.
    Since this I am not sure if he is even totally sane.



    But if you don't want to watch it full, this parody sums it up.

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    ^^Well played respect, well played! If fellow Scientologists themselves thought Tom went off his rocket taking into account the cult itself has batshit crazy beliefs, Cruise really lost his marbles and the media and the general public thought Michael was crazy. Someone has to have a colossal ego, to be out of their mind to attack a peer reviewed field of medicine that has proven its effectiveness treated various mental illnesses or disorders or anyone seeking psychiatric treatment without shred of evidence what they're talking about to think their so called religion is the answers to those illnesses just because the psychiatric association laughed at the claims of L. Ron Hubbard. If religions/cults are that detrimental to humankind, they must dissapear.

    I'm still puzzled Brooke Shieldz went to Tom's wedding despite his vicious attack towards her because she took medications to treat her postpartum depression. I assume he invited her but if I were Brooke, I wouldn't have gone to his wedding.
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    They really used Mission Impossible music in the background the entire Tom Cruise speech? hahaha! Makes for one long/bad trailer for the movies....
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    Pakistan asks Facebook to help fight blasphemy

    • 17 March 2017
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    Pakistan says it has asked Facebook to help investigate "blasphemous content" posted on the social network by Pakistanis.
    Facebook has agreed to send a team to Pakistan to address reservations about content on the social media site, according to the interior ministry.
    Blasphemy is a highly sensitive and incendiary issue in Pakistan.


    Critics say blasphemy laws, which allow the death penalty in some cases, are often misused to oppress minorities.

    Earlier this week Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif voiced his support for a wide-ranging crackdown on blasphemous content on social media.




    In a statement on his party's official Twitter account, he described blasphemy as an "unpardonable offence".


    Then on Thursday, Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar reasserted Pakistan's determination to tackle the issue, saying he would take "any steps necessary" to make sure Pakistan's message got across.


    He said he had asked officials to liaise with the FBI in the US and with social media platforms on a daily basis.
    "Facebook and other service providers should share all information about the people behind this blasphemous content with us," he is quoted as saying by the Dawn newspaper.


    There has been little official description of what blasphemous content has been found online so far, but in the past blasphemy accusations have ranged from depictions of the Prophet Muhammad to critiques and inappropriate references to the Koran.
    But some critics say that this latest move is simply a way of cracking down on dissent.

    When five liberal bloggers and activists recently went missing, they were accused of blasphemy on social media. It is a very serious allegation in the deeply conservative nation, which can make those accused of it a target of public anger.

    Analysis - Tahir Imran, BBC Urdu social media editor


    In Pakistan there is a growing popular resentment to this so-called "blasphemous content" on social media, especially on Facebook.


    People are often openly accused of "committing blasphemy on social media". One top security agency has openly urged the masses to report anyone who is involved in posting such material online.


    Digital rights groups have expressed "serious reservations" and have called such steps "playing with the lives of innocent people".

    They have also criticised Facebook "for colluding with authorities and censoring content infringing freedom of expression".


    In a statement quoted by the AP news agency, Facebook said it viewed government requests with care keeping in mind "the goal of protecting the privacy and rights of our users.


    "We disclose information about accounts solely in accordance with our terms of service and applicable law. A Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty or other formal request may be required for international requests, and we include these in our Government Requests Report.''


    But Facebook has not yet made any public comment about a delegation being sent to Pakistan.


    Pakistan has often blocked access to pornographic sites and sites with anti-Islamic content and in 2010 a Pakistani court blocked Facebook over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39300270

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    This is something that we have talked about here before. It amazes me how Muslims do not realize how even if it is "just symbolic" it is precisely a symbol that places man above woman and it is humiliating to women therefore cannot be reconciled with modern human rights.

    Western Muslim women's group demonstrate how their husbands should beat them




    TODAY show host Ben Fordham has called out an Islamic group which produced a video claiming it was acceptable for men to hit their wives "gently" using short sticks and pieces of fabric.

    The video, which was shot during an all-women's event in Sydney's west andposted to Facebook by the women’s branch of Hizb Ut-Tahrir, was revealed byThe Australian newspaper this morning.

    It features two Muslim women explaining that according to their understanding of Islam, men can discipline their wives by "hitting" them with a small stick or twisted scarf so as not to cause pain.

    "It's very evident that this is symbolic in nature," one of the women says.


    Fordham said the video echoed recent comments by Australian Federation of Islamic Councils President Keysar Trad, who sparked controversy when he suggested an angry husband could beat his wife as a “last resort”.

    Mr Trad later backtracked on the comment and described it as a “slip up”.

    But Fordham said the new Facebook video was more proof that moderate Muslims need new leadership in Australia.

    "Make no mistake, these views belong to some but not all followers of the Islamic faith," Fordham said.

    “But when you have people in positions of power spreading dangerous messages, it is important to call them out.

    “It’s never okay to hit your wife. Never. That’s called assault. If you hit a woman, you’re a coward. It’s not okay to hit your wife gently, or softly, or occasionally or any other way you want to spin it.
    “It’s assault. It’s illegal. It’s wrong.”

    The passionate host said domestic violence shouldn’t be “downplayed”.
    “Just stop. We have young Muslim women growing up in this country and they need to know they have the same rights as anyone else. They live in Australia.
    “They don’t need these so-called leaders telling them they’re punching bags.”
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...-islamic-group

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    I truly believe political correctness has given Islam and Muslims a lot of pass on regressive and detrimental ideas and behaviors that shouldn't have s place in the 21st century. It's sad to see some western Muslim women don't take advantage of living in freer countries compared to women who live in places where Islam is a theocracy.

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    A little step ahead in Saudi Arabia.

    Saudi Arabia to let women work and study without man's permission

    Deeply conservative kingdom is one of most gender-segregated countries in the world

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    Saudi Arabia plans to give women more control over their lives through study, work and hospital treatment.

    The deeply conservative kingdom is one of the most gender-segregated countries in the world, where women live under the supervision of a male guardian, cannot drive, and must wear head-to-toe black garments in public.

    But Saudi media outlets have reported that the country's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud has issued an order allowing women to benefit from government services such as education and healthcare without getting the consent of a male guardian.

    Last month there was outrage when the country was elected to the UN's women's commission, whose role is to shape "global standards on gender equality and the empowerment of women".

    The UK Foreign Office refused to deny Britain had voted for Saudi Arabia's ascension to the body, but Belgium's prime minister said he "regretted" his ambassador's vote in favour.

    The new changes mean women could, in some circumstances, study and access hospital treatment, work in the public and private sector and represent themselves in court without consent of a male guardian, said Maha Akeel, a women's rights campaigner and a director at Jeddah-based Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

    "Now at least it opens the door for discussion on the guardian system," Ms Akeel told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. "Women are independent and can take care of themselves."

    It comes as the latest in a series of moves in Saudi Arabia to include women more in the workforce as the kingdom moves to diversify its economy and cut reliance on oil.

    The trend started in 2011 when the late King Abdullah allowed women onto the government advisory Shura Council. Women can now vote in municipal elections, work in some retail and hospitality jobs and were allowed to compete in the Olympics for the first time in 2012.

    However Saudi Arabia was still ranked 141 of 144 countries in the 2016 Global Gender Gap, a World Economic Forum study on how women fare in economic and political participation, health and education.

    The system of ma;e guardianship, which requires women to obtain permission from a guardian - father, husband, or son - to travel, study or marry is an impediment to realising women's rights, say rights groups.

    "Male guardianship is un-Islamic and humiliating for women," said Ms Akeel. "Some (men) take advantage of this male guardianship for their own benefit and abuse it."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721641.html

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    Default Re: Athesit Thread (For non-believers only)

    One major thing that has kept many Islamic nations 'behind' is how much people were govern/how thick the clothe has been from what the rest of the world is really like.. (This is a deeper issue than political correctness). Now with the explosion of the internet - having people from islamic nations being able to peak outside it created an explosion of another sort. the uprisings, overthrowing of governments and secularization of cultures.. The progressive movement we will see within the next 30 years will be far more than the previous 30 years..

    the 'explosion' I speak of did create other issues (ie no gvmt also means a free for all havoc).. but that's another discussion
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