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    Thanks for sharing Respect!
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    Default Re: Athesit Thread (For non-believers only)

    Why are the so called liberals so afraid to criticize Islam, Islamism, etc? Why do they continue to it a pass? I can't find a reasonable answer other than the ridiculous one of being afraid to be perceived as a racist, islamophobe. It's worrying that campuses are the ones shutting down critics of Islam because people are afraid to hurt Muslims' feelings.

    I'm not a fan of Dave Rubin but Ayaan is spot on, the left has alliance with Islamists and it's depressing Dave had to hide their location for Ayaan's safety.

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    I listened to this podcast episode with Lalo Dagach interviewed Jennifer Sutton, an American, ex-Mormon, ex-Muslim and now atheist. She talked about growing up in an abusive and broken Mormon household and how that made her an easy prey to convert to Islam. What shocked me to hear is that she felr empowered wearing the hijab and full niqab the last 2 years she was a Muslim. The deal breaker was knowing about Aisha being married to Muhammad at the age of 6 because Muslims lie about her. https://soundcloud.com/lalodagachpod...-and-ex-muslim

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    This is the reason why I freaked about Nike making a sports hijab, I don't understand why how women themselves have the nerve to say Islam is feminist, hijab is a choice and gives them empowerment, and discredit Ayaan Hirsi Ali as a true feminist mocking she suffered FGM. It's dowright Stockholm syndrome right there. https://soundcloud.com/lalodagachpod...abia-and-islam

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    I know we often speak of the causes of terrorism with religious bases and some also bring up politics tied into religion.. But I never notice anyone mention drug trafficking, so I was wondering how many people are familiar with the ties of terrorism to drug trafficking - because there is a deep tie there that I think (while I am not trying to steer it away to ties into religion) doesn't ever get mentioned.

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    Some privileged Muslim women in the West could have said they chose to wear it but the likes of Linda Sarsour don't speak for the vast majority of them in the Muslim world even if she claims to do so. I find gross and outrageous the hijab's fetishism, even more if ot comes from Western women and men who have no affiliation to Islam. They’re celebrating a symbol of that religion and for many women and girls an imposition of such religion.

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    ^ Many Muslim women wear it because it is tied into the culture just as much if not more than religious.. There are american born Muslims everywhere that wear a hijab.. And I'll say while it does not get spoken about and is not as extreme many Muslim men cover themselves up.. The traditional covering of a man shows only there head and feet and a large reason why men grow beards is to cover the face.

    While it's not as 'severe', it is still conceptualized from the same root.. Today even in many (not all) many woman wear less covering if at all. BUT since it is such a cultural thing women will be found wearing them for years to come. many by choice, some by force.. Which the forced is what needs to end.

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    ^ You are right about that, I was specifically speaking about the hijab used even outside of the fact.. Many Muslim women find them fashionable and beautiful. Go all out matching them with dresses, shoes or whatever.. when young girls grow up and see models on TV wearing it - it changes the scope of how they think of it as well.. You go to Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, and others right now and you will see a small percentage wearing old styling of covering (usually older) than you have adult women wearing hijabs in a fashionable way (which would be the largest percentage of woman) than you have woman that don't wear one at all.

    This is more so the standard in Islamic countries than the extremes that we hear about (which does exist) but does not speak about a majority anymore.

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    ^ I've never heard of anyone calling Islam as a feminist religion but I have heard of Islamic feminism & feminists.

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    In many instances culture and religion go hand in hand but in this case the Quran and Hadith mandates women to cover. It's a religious thing.

    Quran (33:59) - "Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them..."
    Quran (24:31) - "And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known." The woman is not only supposed to cover herself, except with relatives, but to look down, so as to avoid making eye-contact with men.

    Quran (33:55) - "It shall be no crime in them as to their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their woman, or the slaves which their right hands possess, if they speak to them unveiled" A woman may present herself without a veil only to family and slaves.

    Sahih Bukhari (6:321) - Muhammad is asked whether it is right for a young woman to leave her house without a veil. He replies, "She should cover herself with the veil of her companion."

    Sahih Bukhari (60:282) - After Muhammad issued the command (Quran 24:31) for women to cover themselves, the women responded by tearing up sheets to cover their faces.

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    I get your point Respect, at the same time there is not a measurable way to measure reason so that convo could go on forever. I see a lot of people speaking about it but I am not sure how many people have actually LIVED it. I constantly see people posting scripture and various things to dismiss people that lived through it and are saying things that appose a specific belief, understanding, and/or perspective of someone that is speaking first hand..

    I can tell you first hand that I have seen little girls take their moms hijabs and wear them to be pretty like mom. or a girls eyes light up when they are watching TV and see a beautiful outfit with the hijab. And after moving back to the US I have seen single women that have no one to answer to wear it with pride..

    Sometimes cultural things (as you know) change meaning over time.. Sagging pants was not a fashion in the hood because it was cool, it was because people could not afford clothing and were 'Handy downs'.. hats and sun glasses were made for protection from the sun, now fashionable.. At one point in the US dresses on women were 'forced', a woman wearing pants would have been looked down upon.. Now women are seen every day choosing to wear dresses to look pretty.

    My main hope from my post is to give the understanding if a woman says it's by choice to not give her BS about it because it's not believed. I even know a non muslim that lives in NYC that wears hijabs because the way it looks.

    Women wore hijabs and derivatives of - before the Islamic religion exists and people outside the religion wear them today. And to your point while there are Mulsim woman that wear hijabs because of the thought of what they will seem like if they don't, there are many Islamic woman that don't wear them because of the same reason.. They don't want to be judged in a western country and want to fit in.. OR simply to make the stance, I am muslim and I want to show I can go without if I want.

    my mothers neighbors take off there hijab when they leave the house so they wont be judged...

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    I don't know who is trying to pretend it is a feminist movement lol.. there are islamic feminist movements but that is not at all what I am talking about.. Just saying there are millions of islamic woman that prefer to wear hijabs out of choice and not all religious reasoning behind it.

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    ^ I heard in passing something about Bieber! lol
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    I'm happy my religion imposes nothing.
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    This made me laugh way more than it should have


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