Could Latoya be Right?

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Ever since Michael died, Latoya has stuck very strong to the theory that "Michael was *MURDERED* for his catalog." She hasn't changed the story since day 1 and is still a strong believer of this. Based on what you guys know and have read, do you believe her?
And what's up with Jermaine always saying that there were people out to get MJ, and whenever he's asked who they are he says "they know who they are, and the truth is gonna come out soon". What does he mean and do you guys believe him?
 
People can say that Latoya is a looney attention-seeker all they want; but she's right. Not to mention Michael himself mentioned it a dozen times when he was alive he was being conspired against. Michael's own mother Katherine mentioned in that Dateline interview, Michael told her there were people who wanted him dead, and wanted him gone.

Latoya and other members of the family are not just saying "Murder" for attention sake. Even Raymonde Bain, who sued Michael for $44 million, believes Michael was murdered too.
The showbiz industry is a very shady business with a lot of shady people. There are people who have links to the mob, political connections and other types of underworld connections. These big business suits can murder you (or have you murdered) and make it look like an overdose or an accident or a suicide.
 
you know what?

The ONLY person I TRULY believe 100% is Michael. Michael said people were out to get him, that people wanted his "ass dead or alive", that "music industries conspire against their artists", that "they do everything they can". He said himself that "all these great artists end up dead" because of all that.

So yes, I believe LaToya and anyone else who is saying what Michael was telling us when he was alive.

I can't believe they think they can do this to Michael too and get away with it. Michael has the strongest fanbase in the world, and we can't let them get away.
 
Ever since Michael died, Latoya has stuck very strong to the theory that "Michael was *MURDERED* for his catalog." She hasn't changed the story since day 1 and is still a strong believer of this. Based on what you guys know and have read, do you believe her?
And what's up with Jermaine always saying that there were people out to get MJ, and whenever he's asked who they are he says "they know who they are, and the truth is gonna come out soon". What does he mean and do you guys believe him?


Good topic. I do believe people were out to get the catalog & I do believe they sabotaged him absolutely. This is why MJ was cash poor & in debt.

They could have murdered him for his catalog & since they knew he would be worth more dead- it helps alot of people make mega bucks. Or it could be Randy Phillips & AEG were negligent along with Murray - are covering up & the people that were conspiring over MJ money are merely taking advantage of the situation. Another possibility is that all parties (or just one) - reps from Sony, AEG, Colony Capital, estate - thought that MJ was not going to be able to do the concerts & was going to back out, they would all lose money -so you could have a situation that happened supposedly with Lansky & Siegel:

During the 1940s, Lansky associate Bugsy Siegel persuaded the crime bosses to invest in a lavish new casino hotel project in Las Vegas, the Flamingo. After long delays and large cost overruns, the Flamingo Hotel was still not open for business. To discuss the Flamingo problem, the mafia investors attended a secret meeting in Havana, Cuba in 1946. While the other bosses wanted to kill Siegel, Lansky begged them to give his friend a second chance. Despite this reprieve, Siegel continued to lose mafia money on the Flamingo Hotel. A second family meeting was then called. However, by the time this meeting took place, the casino turned a small profit. Lansky again, with Luciano's support, convinced the family to give Siegel some more time.
The Flamingo was soon losing money again. At a third meeting, the family decided that Siegel was finished. He had humiliated the organized crime bosses and never had a chance. It is widely believed that Lansky himself was compelled to give the final okay on eliminating Siegel due to his long relationship with Siegel and his stature in the family.



My most likely scenario is that Murray was negligent along with AEG & the others are taking advantage of the situation. But I do think there has been alot of criminal behavior - perhaps someday it will all be on 'American Greed'.

As far as the truth coming out - looks like it will be awhile unfortunately.
 
you know what?

The ONLY person I TRULY believe 100% is Michael. Michael said people were out to get him, that people wanted his "ass dead or alive", that "music industries conspire against their artists", that "they do everything they can". He said himself that "all these great artists end up dead" because of all that.

So yes, I believe LaToya and anyone else who is saying what Michael was telling us when he was alive.

I can't believe they think they can do this to Michael too and get away with it. Michael has the strongest fanbase in the world, and we can't let them get away.

All of this definitely rings a bell, but I can't remember where I heard MJ say those things. Could you post a link to the videos where he says that? Thanks
 
"they wanna get my ass dead or alive" are the first words to his song, D.S.

at 1:20, he speaks about companies conspiring against their artists

"The recording companies really, really do conspire against the artists. They steal, they cheat, they do everything they can, especially against the black artists. ... People from James Brown to Sammy Davis Jr., some of the real pioneers that inspired me to be an entertainer, these artists are always on tour, because if they stop touring, they would go hungry."


searching for that video, i came across this one also. he talks about leaving Sony, a free agent now, while still OWNING HALF of $ony. And he said, "They're very angry at me." he says it around 5:50



now if anyone that was present at that speech thinks this was no murder, I don't know what to say...
 
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you know what?

The ONLY person I TRULY believe 100% is Michael.
Me too!!! -_-

They (family) speak, speak, speak about these things in interviews and in my opinion this is wrong and can prejudice the investigation. Why they can not find the police and tell everything they know? :doh: If La Toya and Jermaine know so many things, they can greatly help in investigation. And then there's the interviews with Janet and Rebbie, the things they said, as you all know..... :bugeyed :doh: They always say the same things in interviews and nothing changes in history and investigations. To me that summarizes on one thing: complete mess. -_-
 
And what about Katherine's Dateline interview? In it, she said that 'Michael Told Me People Wanted Him Dead'....=(
 
Ever since Michael died, Latoya has stuck very strong to the theory that "Michael was *MURDERED* for his catalog." She hasn't changed the story since day 1 and is still a strong believer of this. Based on what you guys know and have read, do you believe her?

Good topic. I do believe people were out to get the catalog & I do believe they sabotaged him absolutely. This is why MJ was cash poor & in debt.

They could have murdered him for his catalog & since they knew he would be worth more dead- it helps alot of people make mega bucks.

Now

did people (like Sony) wanted the catalog? Absolutely. Michael said it, their behaviors are also obvious.

did they need to have Michael dead to get the catalog ? Now this is something that I'll go with NO.

and this is why.

Now look to history look to the 2006 refinancing deal. Michael had to refinance and that refinance deal resulted in giving Sony the option to buy the 25% and more decision making power.

This is the first reason why I have said No. So they had the power to buy the 25% if they wanted when Michael was alive and they never used it. They could have bought the 25% at a fixed amount when Michael was alive no need for him to be dead/murdered etc.

The second reason is this : The refinancing loan $300M is going to mature at the end of 2010 which means that it need to be paid off or refinanced somehow. this was most probably the reason why he accepted to do TII concerts in the first place. However the 50 concerts would bring $50M to Michael - not enough to pay the whole loan which could have forced Michael to sell some or all of it.

Now the estate is earning good money and they have a lot of projects lined up - it all shows that they can at least pay the loan partially and secure refinancing by using the lined up projects as collateral. IMO with all the money coming in, it's less likely that the catalog will be sold.

Therefore I'll go with : someone (ie. sony) that wants the catalog would prefer an alive, in debt, not working (cancelled TII concerts, not being able to do 50 concerts etc), not being able to pay back the loan MJ. That's how they got the more control and option to buy 25% in 2006. They could simply continue at the same path.

I'm not saying that everyone is innocent or they didn't want the catalog etc - once again it's obvious that the catalog is valuable and some people/entities are interested in getting the catalog. However businesses have more "legitimate" ways to get the catalog (or whatever they want) then "murder". (such as bombing Invincible to cause financial problems to force to sell catalog etc - definitely not ethical but completely legitimate).
 
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LaToya is as crazy as loon.
But, she is right about this:
MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MURDERED.
 
Ivy, that's a good way to look at it. So you say absolutely NO to this whole conspiracy theory about people killing MJ in order to get his catalog?

Kasume, in the second video you posted, "MJ vs Sony - Speech London", is that Brett Ratner with a camera behind him?


And this, I've seen it before, but I didn't really question it until now...
Did Michael and Tommy Mottola become friends before he died?
Tommy seems to be talking about him in a pretty positive light in this video...
By watching this video, a regular person would probably have no idea MJ was saying all that stuff about Mottola in 2002. What's the story behind this, why is he so positive about MJ?

 
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Yes, I believe Latoya and most importantly MJ! They wanted to screw MJ over some how for him to either sell the whole catalog to them or get more control by making him sell part of it! Now, that he is not here they will have more say, since his children are to young to have a say and Katherine don't even have a sit!

This guaranties more money for them since they know MJ can't sell his half to any one else anymore or buy their half! Something I believe they were scared of him doing while he was alive!
 
I think the catalogue was just part of the reason for the murder. Like Jermaine said, and how I feel also, and probably some others, people just don't want to see Michael go to the very top. Some didn't want to see him suceed and blow everyone else out the water.

However businesses have more "legitimate" ways to get the catalog (or whatever they want) then "murder". (such as bombing Invincible to cause financial problems to force to sell catalog etc - definitely not ethical but completely legitimate).

"The catologue was never on sale, is not on sale, and will never be for sale."

Those devils understood that.

And in 2007-2009, there was all these stories about Michael going broke. But he said that he STILL wasn't broke, and this was AFTER they tried to destroy invincible.

And I remember these stories that Michael sold neverland because he couldn't pay for it. But then I heard that he didn't sell it at all, that he just switched lenders.

I don't think Michael was ever really broke. And if he was....I wonder why....it's not like he was spending more money than was coming in for him, which is the usual.
 
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Ivy, that's a good way to look at it. So you say absolutely NO to this whole conspiracy theory about people killing MJ in order to get his catalog?

Now who do you mean by people? That could be anybody and everybody.

I just feel like Sony already had a plan in place (legitimate business wise) that was allowing them to get / control the catalog more and more as the years went on (Mottola - Invincible incident , 2006 refinancing etc) and didn't necessarily need MJ dead/ killed/ murdered.

Regardless of personal opinions I guess we'll see it by the end of the year when the loan matures. If the loan is paid or refinanced - meaning the catalog is not sold and the estate holds on to it - can you still argue that he was murdered for this catalog?
 
Ivy, that's a good way to look at it. So you say absolutely NO to this whole conspiracy theory about people killing MJ in order to get his catalog?

Kasume, in the second video you posted, "MJ vs Sony - Speech London", is that Brett Ratner with a camera behind him?


And this, I've seen it before, but I didn't really question it until now...
Did Michael and Tommy Mottola become friends before he died?
Tommy seems to be talking about him in a pretty positive light in this video...
By watching this video, a regular person would probably have no idea MJ was saying all that stuff about Mottola in 2002. What's the story behind this, why is he so positive about MJ?

I heard it reported on TV that Mottola said that they resolved their differences - I don't know whether that's true, as far as I know MJ did not say they had. Alot of people talked positive after he passed, but where were they during the trial? Mesereau even mentioned that. Mottola is really creepy IMO. He had to sell his house at a big loss recently too, so he has had financial setbacks IMO or he would have waited till the market got better.
 
Me too!!! -_-

They (family) speak, speak, speak about these things in interviews and in my opinion this is wrong and can prejudice the investigation. Why they can not find the police and tell everything they know? :doh: If La Toya and Jermaine know so many things, they can greatly help in investigation. And then there's the interviews with Janet and Rebbie, the things they said, as you all know..... :bugeyed :doh: They always say the same things in interviews and nothing changes in history and investigations. To me that summarizes on one thing: complete mess. -_-

I agree with you
 
The fact that she was "misled" by her former husband to come out during trial and accuse her own brother of m*** speaks volumes to me. How can she be trusted now if she couldn't be trusted back then?

Latoya's claims would be very strong if she wasn't speaking for herself alone but was representing the whole family.

Sadly, this is not happening. When other siblings and Oxman come out with "addiction" and "intervention" stories, it definitely discredits and undervalues her attempts.
 
It came out of MJ's mouth first about conspiracy! So I trust him!

They just repeating what he told them!

Even Dick Gregory & Teddy Riley spoke about MJ being afraid of someone killing him before and after he passed!! That to me speak volumes!
 
I'll just say I always thought of it as a possibility, because Michael spoke openly about the issues with the catalog. I believe if Michael felt the way he did, then there was always some truth to it. And I don't doubt some people might go to extreme lengths to have the owning rights to something like that, so although I feel it's somewhat unlikely, I always think of that...Not because Latoya said so, but for the fact that they were Michael's own words.
 
The fact that she was "misled" by her former husband to come out during trial and accuse her own brother of m*** speaks volumes to me. How can she be trusted now if she couldn't be trusted back then?

Latoya's claims would be very strong if she wasn't speaking for herself alone but was representing the whole family.

Sadly, this is not happening. When other siblings and Oxman come out with "addiction" and "intervention" stories, it definitely discredits and undervalues her attempts.

I think Jack Gordon was a horrible man & as long as she is not with him she is trustworthy. I saw her many times on TV with him & she was not herself. I do believe her when she said she was scared & I also think she was afraid to leave sooner because she feared she couldn't go back to her family. I wouldn't be surprised if she was drugged also- she was definitely not herself. IMO many programs, like Geraldo, took advantage of her too for ratings.

Jermaine seems to be saying the same thing as LaToya now. Hope the family can become united.
 
^^ I know,jrsfan, but I believe one's trustworthiness should not depend on who's their boyfriend, husband etc. at the time they make a public statement.
If she didn't want to help Michael back then, she could have remained silent instead of accusing him and feeding the tabloids.
What I'm saying here is that this frivolity does not allow people to take her seriously now, at a time she is being damn serious.
 
Since Michael Jackson himself obviously told a number of people that he feared for his life- well, how obvious can it be? A man says that someone wants him dead- and he indeed winds up dead days away from a huge tour?

It's heartbreaking to think that Michael walked through life telling people that certain individuals want him dead- so that when he winds up dead, they'll at least know "what's up". Even more heartbreaking that some folks can't seem to comprehend that simple logic and peddle the eternal "druggie did himself in" story.
 
i do agree with Ivy. i think it would be harder, if not impossible, to get that catalogue with MJ dead and his sales flying off the roof. what Farrakhan said makes more sense to me, that AEG forced Michael into doing 50, knowing very well he couldn't manage it. and when they're proven right, they will sue Michael for breach of contract and with MJ being cash-strapped, they can and will take the catalogue, instead...

but then again, i believe the catalogue is protected by trust and creditors can't lay claim to it.
 
I'm sorry to bring g up this old thread,but I've been reading through various pieces and threads recently (took me this long to be able to do that, couldn't face the idea that Michael's death was not just unlucky).

I just wonder whether anyone knows or has an idea who the person was who threatened Michael for many years (as he said in several interviews) and finally had him murdered? I know the whole Sony-AEG thing... But who is that deprived individual who started and drove it?
 
I just wonder whether anyone knows or has an idea who the person was who threatened Michael for many years (as he said in several interviews) and finally had him murdered?

In which interviews did he say that?

As far as I know, MJ never said (in interviews) that there was a person who threatened him for many years.

Even when he spoke very badly about Sony (& record companies in general about manipulating their artists) as he did in 2002, he did not say anything like that.

Only during his final days he expressed such fears about his life (apparently aimed at the O2 concert promoters) as evidenced by those 13 handwritten letters that he personally wrote & gave to his long-time friend Michael Jacobshagen shortly before his death.
 
he personally wrote & gave to his long-time friend Michael Jacobshagen shortly before his death.

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I think you should read the thread about that
 
In which interviews did he say that?

As far as I know, MJ never said (in interviews) that there was a person who threatened him for many years.

Even when he spoke very badly about Sony (& record companies in general about manipulating their artists) as he did in 2002, he did not say anything like that.

Only during his final days he expressed such fears about his life (apparently aimed at the O2 concert promoters) as evidenced by those 13 handwritten letters that he personally wrote & gave to his long-time friend Michael Jacobshagen shortly before his death.

Michael Jacobshagen is a charlitan. He was never a long-time friend of Michael's....he was a fan who met him on a few occasions. He has been proven to be nothing but a fraud and it is highly possible that his letters, MJ signatures, etc. are all FAKE.

https://live.autographmagazine.com/...n-german-tv?commentId=3524372:Comment:1118401


On the thread topic, I find it hard to say "La Toya" and "right" in the same sentence. She probably believes her own words when she utters them, but I certainly don't, most of the time. I don't believe that anyone was trying to kill Michael for his catalogue. I just don't....I have never believed it.

I think if Michael did ever say something like that (and that is a huge "IF") then it was pure paranoia. He suffered from anxiety and other meltdowns, on occasions and I'm sure he felt alone against the world, sometimes.....isolated by fame and notoriety. It's easy under those circumstances to think that someone is out to get you.
 
On the thread topic, I find it hard to say "La Toya" and "right" in the same sentence.

Lol. So true.

I don't remember. I thought during the Bashir interviews time but it's been too long now and everything is hazy. Maybe I just read too many conspiracy theory posts. I really hope so. I hope no one threatened him or put pressure on him or conspired against him.
 
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