Michael Jackson The Drug Addict -- A Commentary

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Why.

Why is it SO important?

Why is it SO IMPORTANT to script the last chapter of Michael Jackson’s life?

Perhaps unlike many other fans, I try to go where the truth will lead me, even if it’s a truth that I don’t want to hear. On Anderson Cooper 360, July 30, 2009, Cooper had this exchange with Jeffery Toobin, CNN’s Legal Analyst:

COOPER: …Let's dig deeper with senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin.

So, what do you make of this, that the search warrant said they were looking for infractions, including prescribing to an addict?

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: Well, I think it underlies how complex this investigation is, because the key thing to remember about Dr. Murray is that he was only Michael Jackson's doctor for about two months.

COOPER: Right. He was like the -- the hired gun just brought in to shepherd him through this concert.

TOOBIN: Get him ready for this tour...

COOPER: Right.

TOOBIN: ... and take him through the tour.

But this warrant suggests that Michael Jackson has an immensely complicated pharmaceutical history and is -- was, in fact, an addict. So, the issue of how he got drugs, from whom he got drugs, where -- when he was using, what he was using; authorities are going to have to figure that out before they charge Murray with doing anything wrong.

COOPER: But in California, my understanding is giving drugs to an addict is an offense.

TOOBIN: It is -- it can be an offense.

COOPER: If you know they're an addict.

TOOBIN: If you know they're an addict, and you think the drugs are furthering the addiction. It's a very hard crime to prove. It's very rarely prosecuted.

COOPER: The fact that he was using 19 aliases, even his son's name, to -- to get drugs, it's interesting, because, all along, we have heard that Michael Jackson was this great parent.

I mean, in reality, how great a parent can you be, if you're popping dozens of Xanax a night? I mean, I -- and I don't mean that, you know, fliply against Michael Jackson.

But, clearly, this -- if this guy is an addict, you know, he -- there wasn't a lot of parenting could be going on.

TOOBIN: Well, I don't know if there was much parenting going on.

But this is how addicts are. They do anything to get drugs. They lie to people. They use their relatives. They use their friends. They sometimes steal money. Now, Michael Jackson seems to have plenty of money. He didn't have to steal any money.

But, again, the fact that they are essentially saying Michael Jackson was an addict makes the prosecution of anybody harder, because it suggests that Jackson himself was the big initiator of getting all these drugs.

Since the day Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009, the mainstream media has been scripting a picture of him being this addict. They paraded a number of individuals who claim to have had first hand knowledge of MJ asking for prescriptions or having ‘enablers’ all around him. The LAPD seemed ready to close the book on the investigation once Jackson was pronounced dead at the UCLA Medical Center.

The initial autopsy results were deemed ‘inconclusive’, warranting the need to review the toxicology report that was not to be readied for another 6-8 weeks. Well it’s been 5 weeks now, nearly to the day and results that were expected to be released the week of August 3rd has been delayed ‘indefinitely’.

There have been leaks and rumors from Day 1 about what may have killed Michael. There was this supposed ‘fake autopsy’ report that was denied by officials, while Jackson insiders who claimed to have seen the ‘real’ initial autopsy report say that Michael’s organs were healthy and showed no signs of distress. AEG, the concert promoter for Michael’s ‘This Is It’ shows released tape of him 2 days before he died, singing and dancing and proclaimed him to be healthy, happy, in good spirits, and ‘just fine’! AEG’s Randy Phillips stated to anyone who would listen that Michael passed a physical for insurance of these shows with flying colors.

Yet, he this fine, healthy specimen is dead.

Now the main stream media has jumped with glee to report, based on ‘search warrants filed July 29th in court in Clark County, Nevada, and carried out at properties of Michael Jackson’s doctor imply that investigators looking into his death believe the singer was a drug addict’.

Drug addict – and from that comes Anderson Cooper’s proclamation that Michael Jackson just couldn’t be this ‘great parent’.

Nevermind what Paris Katherine Jackson said at the memorial that her father was the best father she could ever have. CNN is not going to let some 11 year old girl get in the way of their script.

Well, one thing is certain. If Michael Jackson was such a drug addict that it allows Dr. Conrad Murray to walk, despite the very real possibility that this Doctor who was not licensed to prescribe drugs in California, was not trained, licensed or certified in administering anesthetics, was not licensed to even obtain anesthetics and who allegedly used an anesthetic under these circumstances outside of a hospital that may have resulted in the death of the best known entertainer in the world – if Michael was such the addict – then everyone around him knew about it and looked the other way.

Ultimately, Michael Jackson as a ‘drug addict’ has to take personal responsibility in that one cannot help an addict unless or until an addict wants to help himself. But if he was a drug addict, then he was NOT HEALTHY.

Of course Michael may have been legally prescribed medications for a pre-existing condition. However all indications are that the drugs found in MJ’s rented house, as well as materials retrieved from Dr. Murray’s home and businesses appear to paint another story.

And then there’s that toxicology report -- the report that has been delayed indefinitely while the DA is stepping up its role in this case. Toobin implied on AC 360 that filing criminal charges or seeking a conviction in this case may be proven to be more difficult if MJ was an ‘addict’ unbeknownst to Dr. Murray. Somehow doping him with Diprivan doesn’t seem to matter in this equation anymore.

And IF Michael Jackson is this ‘drug addict’, using up to 19 aliases to obtain drugs – we are talking about PHAMACEUTICAL DRUGS.

It’s not like Michael went to some dark, dank corner of the hood scoring for a fix. The white elephant in the room is the alleged, possible abuse of prescription drugs. Drugs not obtained on the black market, but acquired through a network of state board certified and licensed PHYSICIANS. Doctors, if you will – doctors who are typically a part of such prestigious organizations such as the American Medical Association (AMA); the American Academy of Fill-In-The-Blank-Medical-Specialty and so on. Doctors who prescribe drugs everyday to patients complaining of any and every ailment in the book.

Patients like Michael Jackson. If Michael Jackson is a drug addict, then so am I and so is anyone else who takes prescription drugs regularly. Consider what Greg Critser, author of Generation Rx complied as ‘pharma facts’:

1. Over the past decade, the use of prescription drugs, almost all for chronic diseases, has soared. The average number of prescriptions per person, annually, in 1993 was seven, and in 2004 it was twelve.

2. The amount spent to advertise prescription drugs directly to consumers in 1980 was $2 million. In 2004 it was $4.45 billion.

3. The number of Americans who annually request and receive a prescription for a specific drug after seeing a commercial is 8.5 million.

4. The FDA, the AMA, and every leading medical institution in the country and abroad have noted that liver damage, once rare, is now the leading reason for withdrawing a drug, usually a new drug, from the market.

5. There are more than 106,000 deaths a year from serious adverse reactions to drugs that have been properly prescribed.

6. In 2000 the American Society of Clinical Pharmacologists pegged the percentage of elderly patients receiving nine or more medications at 27 percent, compared to 17 percent in 1997.

7. The Journal of the American Medical Association showed that 5 percent of all hospital admissions for the elderly were due to drugs "known to cause drug-drug interactions." Physicians had either ignored these risks or chose to disregard them. The cost: approximately $16,000 per hospitalization.

8. National spending on prescription drugs, mainly via the Medicare bill, will cost us more than one trillion dollars over the next decade.

9. Between 1996 and 2002, the industry spent half a billion dollars to employ 600 full-time lobbyists, among them 24 former members of Congress.

This is the side of the Michael Jackson story that will never be told. To the mainstream media, Michael Jackson can never be seen as this caring and sensitive father who, to a person who’s ever met the guy, has never been anything bad said about his personality, demeanor or attitude; Michael Jackson, the consummate professional noted by every professional in the entertainment industry; Michael Jackson, the single most generous individual charities have ever seen; and Michael Jackson, one of the most gifted and successful recording artist in modern day history and known throughout every corner of this earth – he can never be seen in this way because it doesn’t square with ‘the script’.

There HAS to be this DARK SIDE. This UNKNOWN. This MYSTERY. Otherwise, there is no money to continue to be made off of his death. They didn’t get to write ‘the script’ of some down and defeated person who did the ‘unthinkable’ being carted off to jail in chains and an orange jumpsuit. They didn’t get to write – at that time – that MJ had ‘committed suicide’, a tragic end to a tragic, and bizarre life.

So they now seek to rewrite HIStory by proclaiming that he didn’t really die at the hands of another whose own troubled past and financial motivation may have led him to break every medical and drug law on the books, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath that says in part:

'I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan…'

They wish to have noted for all history that Michael Jackson did indeed kill himself. The tragic end to a tragic and bizarre life that they have always wanted to write.

However if the truth be really told, Michael Jackson’s over reliance, for whatever his reason may have been, on the medical system, ultimately failed him, just as the criminal justice system almost did. If the truth be really told, Michael Jackson’s need to put himself and his family in a place of ultimate financial comfort, coupled by the sheer, unmitigated expectations of making lots of money by the greedy and arrogant spin masters, caused everyone to look the other way – including Michael himself.

If the truth be told, Michael Jackson’s death was probably not the result of some grand conspiracy by the evil cabal, yet the results of his passing may yield the same results – control of his empire, the selling of his ATV/Sony share to corporate interests, the possibility of turning Neverland into a circus attraction and most importantly, the control of his legacy by reducing it to a state of non-importance in comparison to far less talented and less achieving counterparts.

This is one version of the truth. I would love to be proven wrong. However history has it’s own way of revealing truth over time.
 
You are of course correct Mello 1.
But allow to provide a little more information about the
geedy, powerful, media corporations:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM

So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......​
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)

Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.

Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
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* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
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Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)

Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
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* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
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Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
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DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
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* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).

*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
 
It is not important.

I could imagine Michael had a problem with dependency on medication. In the sense of tolerance... like if you take a certain dose for some time, you need to take higher doses in some time to achieve the same effect and then you just can't really take a higher dose and start to mix with other medication etc.

However therefore he doesn't have to be a drug addict. He's not on heroine, he's not on crack or something, in the usual meaning of this term. Again please noone get me wrong... an addiction is always bad... but one can easily be made think certain stuff by using language a certain way.
And there's of cuz some pushing of this story because some ppl want/wanted this death to be very easily explained.
"Hey that guy was on drugs. He messed up. Overdose... oh how good we do have an insurance covering overdose." uh :mello:
Well that was maybe a bit too simple thought?!

There came a nurse into the way... telling about propofol (how did KC say ooooooooouuups). She might made the coroner aware of what to look for more intense than before probably? She said clearly Michael wasn't a 'drug' case... no drugs.
You know... to me this nurse is really special... at least she was professional enough to say NO even to Michael Jackson... very extraordinary special it seems uh?! So I could very much imagine she's also professional enough to see if someone is addicted to drugs or 'only'(bad enough) messing up with dangerous medication?!

About the parenting... do you want to believe about Michaels parenting abilities some weird ppl on TV (many of them do mess around with medication and/or alcohol themselves btw ;) while talking about others ) or do you want to believe Paris who was there as his daughter.

You know Mello... have faith... you were never bad in knowing whom to believe what and why. And please just have this same faith in other ppl also... not in the media... but in ppl.
Everybody heard Paris, loud and clear. The words of these guys from CNN will long be forgotten even in their own very small microcosm when Paris words will still be out there in the whole world, loud and clear and forever true.
 
only one part of the search warrant mentioned looking for the possibility of prescribing to an addict - out of 3 or 4 other things mentioned. Of course the search warrant would mention the possibility because they wanted to make the warrant, and thus the search, as wide and all encompassing as possible so they could take away all possible evidence they could find. Of course, that would be the one part the media would focus on.

It seems like since day one prescription addiction was mentioned - Geraldo, for one, I recall as a ringleader starting with Oxman. The media is to blame, of course, for a great deal of the focus, but sadly, Michael's friends, ex-friends, and even family have poured oil on the flames and made sure it was a constant topic of conversation. All those people crawling out of the woodwork talking all about Michael's "drug problem", "interventions", etc. All of them without waiting for any confirmation from autopsy that this was even part of the problem. So, I guess what I'm saying is that the media has had plenty of their own "enablers" - people claiming to love/care about Michael, yet running their mouths before they even know what the actual deal is. If not for all of that, the media might actually have had more fair and factual coverage - they wouldn't have had much choice without the enablers. Just my opinion.
 
Great post Mello.

this here is what bothers me most:

3. The number of Americans who annually request and receive a prescription for a specific drug after seeing a commercial is 8.5 million.

4. The FDA, the AMA, and every leading medical institution in the country and abroad have noted that liver damage, once rare, is now the leading reason for withdrawing a drug, usually a new drug, from the market.
The public are constantly being encouraged that a little pill will make them feel better... and no one questions the fact that more and more illnesses are arising from side effects of the little pills...

liver damage is a nasty thing to experience.... and in this situation UNNECESSARY!!

Medicine should not be a game of chance...
 
Great post Mello.

this here is what bothers me most:

The public are constantly being encouraged that a little pill will make them feel better... and no one questions the fact that more and more illnesses are arising from side effects of the little pills...
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:clapping:
and if you take a pill long enough those tiny "uncomfortable"side effects become more severe...
cant sleep for a day? oh well, u sleep more next day...dont have apetite tonight...oh well, you get better soon and will want to eat up a whole bucket of ice cream on your own...

put up with this for years...years...and the tiny "uncomfortable" side effects will build up to a condition that has to be managed by an other pill...and then an other...and then an other...:(:(:( and that is not called addiction...that is called "dependancy"

this is the "story" I am anticipating to be in the coroners report...:(
 
^ and this all comes about because free thinking and actually taking the time to research or question anything we do as an individual is NOT encouraged by the powers that be.

Pill companies rely on the ignorance of the general public to just accept what the smiling lady says in the commercial. "Hay fever? oh no worries watch as Brian takes a pill that lets him stay outside and work in his garden allll day long!" (what we didn't tell you is that we haaaven't quite finished checking all long-term effects but don't worry once we figure them out we'll have a pill that deals with that too).
We all work now at such a fast pace and everything is just rush, rush, rush and instant is best... everyone is under pressure to create results no matter what their profession and I believe Doctors are under such a pressure to support the people who pay their salary so in turn... end up pushing the pills that are probably not even necessary. I also wonder how many keep up with their professional reading... and how many question what is given to them vs how many just accept what they're told.

(My guess with the pace of our world these days... that most would just take to chance and accept what is being instructed to them by pill companies).

I think it's safe to say that most big pharamacuetical companies have the regulation groups (ie: FDA) by the balls as well.




... as for saying MJ was an addict... well that's just a great way for the press to PASS on the bigger issue.. and that is the current state the medical industry is in.. particuarly in regards to pharamacuetical companies and the control they have over everything from dictating to us what we should take for each and every ailment... to funding lobby groups and effectively controlling a large chunk of the sway in politics (if you think the gun groups have a big impact on politics... well they aint got anything on pharamacuetical companies).

The press aren't going to report on the facts that mello pointed out in the first post... because they're probably not wanting to risk the people who pay their salaries too..



What I CANNOT get past... is that the inital report said his organs were all fine... yet now every man and his dog are saying Mike was a LONG-TERM abuser of meds... that is just not making sense... there would be some evidence of damage to some organs (liver, kidneys, digestive tract).

A long term smoker could die of natural causes without ever having lung cancer... but if you were to check their lungs during the autopsy.. the evidence would clearly show that they were a smoker during their life.
 
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^ and this all comes about because free thinking and actually taking the time to research or question anything we do as an individual is NOT encouraged by the powers that be.

Pill companies rely on the ignorance of the general public to just accept what the smiling lady says in the commercial. "Hay fever? oh no worries watch as Brian takes a pill that lets him stay outside and work in his garden allll day long!" (what we didn't tell you is that we haaaven't quite finished checking all long-term effects but don't worry once we figure them out we'll have a pill that deals with that too).
We all work now at such a fast pace and everything is just rush, rush, rush and instant is best... everyone is under pressure to create results no matter what their profession and I believe Doctors are under such a pressure to support the people who pay their salary so in turn... end up pushing the pills that are probably not even necessary. I also wonder how many keep up with their professional reading... and how many question what is given to them vs how many just accept what they're told.

(My guess with the pace of our world these days... that most would just take to chance and accept what is being instructed to them by pill companies).

I think it's safe to say that most big pharamacuetical companies have the regulation groups (ie: FDA) by the balls as well.




... as for saying MJ was an addict... well that's just a great way for the press to PASS on the bigger issue.. and that is the current state the medical industry is in.. particuarly in regards to pharamacuetical companies and the control they have over everything from dictating to us what we should take for each and every ailment... to funding lobby groups and effectively controlling a large chunk of the sway in politics (if you think the gun groups have a big impact on politics... well they aint got anything on pharamacuetical companies).

The press aren't going to report on the facts that mello pointed out in the first post... because they're probably not wanting to risk the people who pay their salaries too..



What I CANNOT get past... is that the inital report said his organs were all fine... yet now every man and his dog are saying Mike was a LONG-TERM abuser of meds... that is just not making sense... there would be some evidence of damage to some organs (liver, kidneys, digestive tract).

A long term smoker could die of natural causes without ever having lung cancer... but if you were to check their lungs during the autopsy.. the evidence would clearly show that they were a smoker during their life.

Preach!

Years ago, I worked with a child actor who had been diagnosed as having ADHD. (The play was Peter Pan, I was Tiger Lily, he was one of the Lost Boys) And the role was fitting. The drug he had been prescribed had effects that would range from his being over-excited to the point that he would shout random things during the performances to being so out of it we had to wonder if he was going to say his line in time. I had NEVER seen anything like it. By all accounts, he was a charming, humorous little boy and when he could find that middle ground he was a joy to work with.

But whatever he was being given made him unpredictable and would effect his emotions.

Western medicine will kill you before it kills you...
 
Why.

Why is it SO important?

Why is it SO IMPORTANT to script the last chapter of Michael Jackson’s life?

Perhaps unlike many other fans, I try to go where the truth will lead me, even if it’s a truth that I don’t want to hear. On Anderson Cooper 360, July 30, 2009, Cooper had this exchange with Jeffery Toobin, CNN’s Legal Analyst:



Since the day Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009, the mainstream media has been scripting a picture of him being this addict. They paraded a number of individuals who claim to have had first hand knowledge of MJ asking for prescriptions or having ‘enablers’ all around him. The LAPD seemed ready to close the book on the investigation once Jackson was pronounced dead at the UCLA Medical Center.

The initial autopsy results were deemed ‘inconclusive’, warranting the need to review the toxicology report that was not to be readied for another 6-8 weeks. Well it’s been 5 weeks now, nearly to the day and results that were expected to be released the week of August 3rd has been delayed ‘indefinitely’.

There have been leaks and rumors from Day 1 about what may have killed Michael. There was this supposed ‘fake autopsy’ report that was denied by officials, while Jackson insiders who claimed to have seen the ‘real’ initial autopsy report say that Michael’s organs were healthy and showed no signs of distress. AEG, the concert promoter for Michael’s ‘This Is It’ shows released tape of him 2 days before he died, singing and dancing and proclaimed him to be healthy, happy, in good spirits, and ‘just fine’! AEG’s Randy Phillips stated to anyone who would listen that Michael passed a physical for insurance of these shows with flying colors.

Yet, he this fine, healthy specimen is dead.

Now the main stream media has jumped with glee to report, based on ‘search warrants filed July 29th in court in Clark County, Nevada, and carried out at properties of Michael Jackson’s doctor imply that investigators looking into his death believe the singer was a drug addict’.

Drug addict – and from that comes Anderson Cooper’s proclamation that Michael Jackson just couldn’t be this ‘great parent’.

Nevermind what Paris Katherine Jackson said at the memorial that her father was the best father she could ever have. CNN is not going to let some 11 year old girl get in the way of their script.

Well, one thing is certain. If Michael Jackson was such a drug addict that it allows Dr. Conrad Murray to walk, despite the very real possibility that this Doctor who was not licensed to prescribe drugs in California, was not trained, licensed or certified in administering anesthetics, was not licensed to even obtain anesthetics and who allegedly used an anesthetic under these circumstances outside of a hospital that may have resulted in the death of the best known entertainer in the world – if Michael was such the addict – then everyone around him knew about it and looked the other way.

Ultimately, Michael Jackson as a ‘drug addict’ has to take personal responsibility in that one cannot help an addict unless or until an addict wants to help himself. But if he was a drug addict, then he was NOT HEALTHY.

Of course Michael may have been legally prescribed medications for a pre-existing condition. However all indications are that the drugs found in MJ’s rented house, as well as materials retrieved from Dr. Murray’s home and businesses appear to paint another story.

And then there’s that toxicology report -- the report that has been delayed indefinitely while the DA is stepping up its role in this case. Toobin implied on AC 360 that filing criminal charges or seeking a conviction in this case may be proven to be more difficult if MJ was an ‘addict’ unbeknownst to Dr. Murray. Somehow doping him with Diprivan doesn’t seem to matter in this equation anymore.

And IF Michael Jackson is this ‘drug addict’, using up to 19 aliases to obtain drugs – we are talking about PHAMACEUTICAL DRUGS.

It’s not like Michael went to some dark, dank corner of the hood scoring for a fix. The white elephant in the room is the alleged, possible abuse of prescription drugs. Drugs not obtained on the black market, but acquired through a network of state board certified and licensed PHYSICIANS. Doctors, if you will – doctors who are typically a part of such prestigious organizations such as the American Medical Association (AMA); the American Academy of Fill-In-The-Blank-Medical-Specialty and so on. Doctors who prescribe drugs everyday to patients complaining of any and every ailment in the book.

Patients like Michael Jackson. If Michael Jackson is a drug addict, then so am I and so is anyone else who takes prescription drugs regularly. Consider what Greg Critser, author of Generation Rx complied as ‘pharma facts’:



This is the side of the Michael Jackson story that will never be told. To the mainstream media, Michael Jackson can never be seen as this caring and sensitive father who, to a person who’s ever met the guy, has never been anything bad said about his personality, demeanor or attitude; Michael Jackson, the consummate professional noted by every professional in the entertainment industry; Michael Jackson, the single most generous individual charities have ever seen; and Michael Jackson, one of the most gifted and successful recording artist in modern day history and known throughout every corner of this earth – he can never be seen in this way because it doesn’t square with ‘the script’.

There HAS to be this DARK SIDE. This UNKNOWN. This MYSTERY. Otherwise, there is no money to continue to be made off of his death. They didn’t get to write ‘the script’ of some down and defeated person who did the ‘unthinkable’ being carted off to jail in chains and an orange jumpsuit. They didn’t get to write – at that time – that MJ had ‘committed suicide’, a tragic end to a tragic, and bizarre life.

So they now seek to rewrite HIStory by proclaiming that he didn’t really die at the hands of another whose own troubled past and financial motivation may have led him to break every medical and drug law on the books, not to mention the Hippocratic Oath that says in part:



They wish to have noted for all history that Michael Jackson did indeed kill himself. The tragic end to a tragic and bizarre life that they have always wanted to write.

However if the truth be really told, Michael Jackson’s over reliance, for whatever his reason may have been, on the medical system, ultimately failed him, just as the criminal justice system almost did. If the truth be really told, Michael Jackson’s need to put himself and his family in a place of ultimate financial comfort, coupled by the sheer, unmitigated expectations of making lots of money by the greedy and arrogant spin masters, caused everyone to look the other way – including Michael himself.

If the truth be told, Michael Jackson’s death was probably not the result of some grand conspiracy by the evil cabal, yet the results of his passing may yield the same results – control of his empire, the selling of his ATV/Sony share to corporate interests, the possibility of turning Neverland into a circus attraction and most importantly, the control of his legacy by reducing it to a state of non-importance in comparison to far less talented and less achieving counterparts.

This is one version of the truth. I would love to be proven wrong. However history has it’s own way of revealing truth over time.
Very well said...
 
It is not important.

I could imagine Michael had a problem with dependency on medication. In the sense of tolerance... like if you take a certain dose for some time, you need to take higher doses in some time to achieve the same effect and then you just can't really take a higher dose and start to mix with other medication etc.

However therefore he doesn't have to be a drug addict. He's not on heroine, he's not on crack or something, in the usual meaning of this term. Again please noone get me wrong... an addiction is always bad... but one can easily be made think certain stuff by using language a certain way.
And there's of cuz some pushing of this story because some ppl want/wanted this death to be very easily explained.
"Hey that guy was on drugs. He messed up. Overdose... oh how good we do have an insurance covering overdose." uh :mello:
Well that was maybe a bit too simple thought?!

There came a nurse into the way... telling about propofol (how did KC say ooooooooouuups). She might made the coroner aware of what to look for more intense than before probably? She said clearly Michael wasn't a 'drug' case... no drugs.
You know... to me this nurse is really special... at least she was professional enough to say NO even to Michael Jackson... very extraordinary special it seems uh?! So I could very much imagine she's also professional enough to see if someone is addicted to drugs or 'only'(bad enough) messing up with dangerous medication?!

About the parenting... do you want to believe about Michaels parenting abilities some weird ppl on TV (many of them do mess around with medication and/or alcohol themselves btw ;) while talking about others ) or do you want to believe Paris who was there as his daughter.

You know Mello... have faith... you were never bad in knowing whom to believe what and why. And please just have this same faith in other ppl also... not in the media... but in ppl.
Everybody heard Paris, loud and clear. The words of these guys from CNN will long be forgotten even in their own very small microcosm when Paris words will still be out there in the whole world, loud and clear and forever true.
I think the nurse is credible. So far I think she, Karen Faye and Frank Dileo are credible. Brian Oxman had not met MJ since 2005 as far as I know. And yes, Tito was talkning about an intervetion in ... 2003, so that was 6 years ago. I will go there the truth will lead me absolutely but I think there are a lot of people talking without actually knowing anything. Even MJs family didn´t have so much contact with him I think. And the thing they probably don´t want to hear is that he might have been avoiding them becuase they constantly wanted to persuade him to do this reunion tour which I thought it was quite obvious that he didn´t want to do (forgive me if that is beeing disrespectful o the family).I think if MJ was an addict now in 2009 it can´t have been that obvious so a lot of people didn´t even know it. Maybe they just didn´t want to see it because there was so much at stake. But I think Randy Philips seems to be telling the truth when he said that they were originally talking about up to 31 conserts because that was also what I had heard.
 
This reminds me a lot of the situation in 93. Wild rumors but very little actual information. A lot of people claiming they sas this and that. If someone said there had been a UFO in New York there would probably be several people who said they had seen it because that is jjust how some people react in situations like this. Because of this it is hard to se what actually happend.
 
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This is the side of the Michael Jackson story that will never be told. To the mainstream media, Michael Jackson can never be seen as this caring and sensitive father who, to a person who’s ever met the guy, has never been anything bad said about his personality, demeanor or attitude; Michael Jackson, the consummate professional noted by every professional in the entertainment industry; Michael Jackson, the single most generous individual charities have ever seen; and Michael Jackson, one of the most gifted and successful recording artist in modern day history and known throughout every corner of this earth – he can never be seen in this way because it doesn’t square with ‘the script’.

And if they ever had to admit that their scurrilous attacks on a man who simply had a skin disorder were wrong, and all their hideous defamations of a man who was manifestly innocent of harming children were in error, and all their current imputations of drug abuse were disguising a case of medical malpractice, they would be revealed as both heartless and incompetent in their jobs.

If the truth be told, Michael Jackson’s death was probably not the result of some grand conspiracy by the evil cabal, yet the results of his passing may yield the same results – control of his empire, the selling of his ATV/Sony share to corporate interests, the possibility of turning Neverland into a circus attraction and most importantly, the control of his legacy by reducing it to a state of non-importance in comparison to far less talented and less achieving counterparts.
Sadly true. Although they may have had no direct hand in his death, there is certainly a lot of jockeying for position, opportunism, and spinning of the truth going on by the involved parties.
 
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and if you take a pill long enough those tiny "uncomfortable"side effects become more severe...
cant sleep for a day? oh well, u sleep more next day...dont have apetite tonight...oh well, you get better soon and will want to eat up a whole bucket of ice cream on your own...

put up with this for years...years...and the tiny "uncomfortable" side effects will build up to a condition that has to be managed by an other pill...and then an other...and then an other...:(:(:( and that is not called addiction...that is called "dependancy"

this is the "story" I am anticipating to be in the coroners report...:(

This is so true! It is called 'dependancy'!
 
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What I CANNOT get past... is that the inital report said his organs were all fine... yet now every man and his dog are saying Mike was a LONG-TERM abuser of meds... that is just not making sense... there would be some evidence of damage to some organs (liver, kidneys, digestive tract).

A long term smoker could die of natural causes without ever having lung cancer... but if you were to check their lungs during the autopsy.. the evidence would clearly show that they were a smoker during their life.

Thats it. How the h.........can there be so many contradictions conserning one man? I have come to the point where I have just given up trying to figure out who is telling the truth, and who is giving correct information.
 
You really can't blame the media for calling MJ a drug addict when you have people like Leonard Rowe saying that MJ was a drug addict in every interview he has given to the press.
 
Thats it. How the h.........can there be so many contradictions conserning one man? I have come to the point where I have just given up trying to figure out who is telling the truth, and who is giving correct information.
It may suit certain people to create so much confusion that we stop believing we'll ever know the truth.
 
They say Michael ate only fresh healthy food. He wanted to be healthy. How could he take dangerous drugs at the same time?? Weird.
 
I don't think for one minute Michael was a drug addict.

In response to an earlier poster, whether one is addicted to prescription drugs or drugs bought on the street (cocaine, heroine etc) and they are dependant on them it makes them a drug addict. Doctors do not differenciate between the two.
 
They say Michael ate only fresh healthy food. He wanted to be healthy. How could he take dangerous drugs at the same time?? Weird.

If it is true that he was taking Propofol I think to him i was just a way to sleep.

I wonder how though one starts taking an anaesthetic to sleep? I bet if you asked a hundred people (that took things to help them sleep) what they took, most would say a sleeping pill. So how/where would one start taking Propofol intravenously? I can imagine the first time would have been more than worrying even with a doctor there, thinking am I going to wake up?
 
OK I was reading through this thread and had to respond to this part of a post on here. But before I do that, all I reply to here is not about Michael per-say, as it is really speaking about what I am replying to in a general sense....

Having said that.....

"Drug addict – and from that comes Anderson Cooper’s proclamation that Michael Jackson just couldn’t be this ‘great parent’.

Nevermind what Paris Katherine Jackson said at the memorial that her father was the best father she could ever have. CNN is not going to let some 11 year old girl get in the way of their script.

Well, one thing is certain. If Michael Jackson was such a drug addict that it allows Dr. Conrad Murray to walk, despite the very real possibility that this Doctor who was not licensed to prescribe drugs in California, was not trained, licensed or certified in administering anesthetics, was not licensed to even obtain anesthetics and who allegedly used an anesthetic under these circumstances outside of a hospital that may have resulted in the death of the best known entertainer in the world – if Michael was such the addict – then everyone around him knew about it and looked the other way.

Ultimately, Michael Jackson as a ‘drug addict’ has to take personal responsibility in that one cannot help an addict unless or until an addict wants to help himself. But if he was a drug addict, then he was NOT HEALTHY.

Of course Michael may have been legally prescribed medications for a pre-existing condition. However all indications are that the drugs found in MJ’s rented house, as well as materials retrieved from Dr. Murray’s home and businesses appear to paint another story.

And then there’s that toxicology report -- the report that has been delayed indefinitely while the DA is stepping up its role in this case. Toobin implied on AC 360 that filing criminal charges or seeking a conviction in this case may be proven to be more difficult if MJ was an ‘addict’ unbeknownst to Dr. Murray. Somehow doping him with Diprivan doesn’t seem to matter in this equation anymore.

And IF Michael Jackson is this ‘drug addict’, using up to 19 aliases to obtain drugs – we are talking about PHAMACEUTICAL DRUGS.

It’s not like Michael went to some dark, dank corner of the hood scoring for a fix. The white elephant in the room is the alleged, possible abuse of prescription drugs. Drugs not obtained on the black market, but acquired through a network of state board certified and licensed PHYSICIANS. Doctors, if you will – doctors who are typically a part of such prestigious organizations such as the American Medical Association (AMA); the American Academy of Fill-In-The-Blank-Medical-Specialty and so on. Doctors who prescribe drugs everyday to patients complaining of any and every ailment in the book.

Patients like Michael Jackson. If Michael Jackson is a drug addict, then so am I and so is anyone else who takes prescription drugs regularly. Consider what Greg Critser, author of Generation Rx complied as ‘pharma facts’:"


OK I just wanted to speak to a little of what was said here. First this is to speak to your very last statement implying that according that logic then anyone being prescribed medication is an addict. Meaning that you don't feel that can happen if you are prescribed them by a doctor and take them on a regular basis.

This is from http://www.drugalcohol-rehab.com/oxycontin-addiction.htm

"Oxycontin addiction has many faces. It could be residing next door in the guise of your neighbor. It could be present in the mailroom clerk at your office. Oxycontin addiction could be hiding behind the angst of your teenager or even in your own reflection in a mirror.Known by a number of names like "OC" or "Oxy," Oxycontin is a powerful narcotic that relieves severe pain. And, like many other narcotics, this drug can be highly addictive if used inappropriately.

Following a doctor's instructions is paramount in avoiding an Oxycontin addiction. No one starts taking this potent painkiller with the intentions of abusing it and becoming addicted. The destructive cycle starts innocently enough. The physical pain is a little more than can be handled, so someone figures, what could it hurt to just take one extra pill to cut the edge off?


Faced with an Oxycontin Addiction


Pretty soon, the person is caught in a cycle that is tough to break and excuses are created as to why a refill is needed from the doctor such as "My medicine was accidentally thrown away" or "I left it at my hotel on vacation." If the person's own doctor won't prescribe it anymore, they might seek doctors across town or in another city to get a new prescription. They are now caught in a full-blown Oxycontin addiction.

Whether you or a loved one is caught up in the addiction, it is important to be aware of the side effects. Seek help if you recognize these symptoms in yourself or in a loved one who you suspect is taking Oxycontin:

* Physical pain beyond what the Oxycontin was prescribed for like muscle twitching, cramps and joint pain
* Dilated pupils, unfocused vision and confusion
* Seizures, slow or shallow breathing or passing out
* Sick to stomach, clammy skin and dizziness

All of the indicators listed above can signify an Oxycontin addiction. These symptoms are more prominent when the addict has not been able to get their fix. People who normally are upstanding citizens of the community and caring people lose themselves to this addiction and sometimes commit illegal offenses like theft, actions that they normally would never do, all for the sake of getting their hands on the addictive Oxycontin. Remember Rush Limbaugh's charges of doctor shopping?

Because the drug can be easily abused, the withdrawal process is often compared to that of morphine or heroin withdrawal. It is a tough addiction to break and almost impossible to overcome alone. Rehab centers and strict doctor supervision is necessary to beat the cycle of Oxycontin addiction safely and for good. "


Now to answer the rest of what I quoted.

From what I got out of that part of the post, especially this part-

"And IF Michael Jackson is this ‘drug addict’, using up to 19 aliases to obtain drugs – we are talking about PHAMACEUTICAL DRUGS. It’s not like Michael went to some dark, dank corner of the hood scoring for a fix. The white elephant in the room is the alleged, possible abuse of prescription drugs. Drugs not obtained on the black market, but acquired through a network of state board certified and licensed PHYSICIANS. Doctors, if you will – doctors who are typically a part of such prestigious organizations such as the American Medical Association (AMA); the American Academy of Fill-In-The-Blank-Medical-Specialty and so on. Doctors who prescribe drugs everyday to patients complaining of any and every ailment in the book.-"


First let me tell you if you think there are not Doctors out there who saw who Michael was and were willing to do whatever it was to please him, no matter what their title was, think again. I am sure it happened more than we will ever know.

And even more than that, it happens in every day life too. There are Doctors out there FOR SURE that will write anyone that comes in a prescription for the most addictive drug, probably making a fiancial kick back from the patient coming in. And by doing so becomes known in the neighborhood as "Dr Feelgood"-meaning if you want to score drugs go see "Dr Feelgood" he will give you Oxycontin if you say your toe is broken. These patients that come in either abuse the medication themselves, or sell them.



Know what I would like to address is, to me it's like you are saying that a person who is addicted to "street drugs" is in far more danger of becoming either addicted or overdosing than someone who abuses prescribed medication. What I hope you were not trying to imply there is that a person who abuses prescription medication is not as bad as someone who abuses street drugs. Because that could not be further from the truth. Addiction is addiction. Period. "John" is not as bad as "Al" because "John" abuses Oxycontin he gets from his Doctor vs "Al" who gets his Cocaine from a Drug Dealer. That is a totally false statement. Addiction is addiction is addiction.


And here is the link to the article below that backs up what I said about people becoming far more in danger of dying from Prescribed Medication vs Illegal or Street Drugs.


http://rinf.com/alt-news/business-n...rcent-more-americans-than-illegal-drugs/4837/

" Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans than Illegal Drugs

Monday, November 10th, 2008

By David Gutierrez | A report by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission has concluded that prescription drugs have outstripped illegal drugs as a cause of death.

An analysis of 168,900 autopsies conducted in Florida in 2007 found that three times as many people were killed by legal drugs as by cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamine's put together. According to state law enforcement officials, this is a sign of a burgeoning prescription drug abuse problem.

“The abuse has reached epidemic proportions,” said Lisa McElhaney, a sergeant in the pharmaceutical drug diversion unit of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office. “It’s just explosive.”

In 2007, cocaine was responsible for 843 deaths, heroin for 121, methamphetamine's for 25 and marijuana for zero, for a total of 989 deaths. In contrast, 2,328 people were killed by opioid painkillers, including Vicodin and Oxycontin, and 743 were killed by drugs containing benzodiazepine, including the depressants Valium and Xanax.

Alcohol directly caused 466 deaths, but was found in the bodies of 4,179 cadavers in all.

While the number of dead bodies containing heroin jumped 14 percent from the prior year, to a total of 110, the number of deaths influenced by the painkiller oxycodone increased by 36 percent, to a total of 1,253.

Across the country, prescription drugs have become an increasingly popular alternative to the more difficult to acquire illegal drugs. Even as illegal drug use among teenagers have fallen, prescription drug abuse has increased. For example, while 4 percent of U.S. 12th graders were using Oxycontin in 2002, by 2005 that number had increased to 5.5 percent.

It’s not hard for teens to come by prescription drugs, according to Sgt. Tracy Busby, supervisor of the Calaveras County, Calif., Sheriff’s Office narcotics unit.

“You go to every medicine cabinet in the county, and I bet you’re going to find some sort of prescription medicine in 95 percent of them,” he said.

Adults can acquire prescriptions by faking injuries, or by visiting multiple doctors and pharmacies for the same health complaint. Some people get more drugs than they expect to need, then sell the extras.

“You have health care providers involved, you have doctor shoppers, and then there are crimes like robbing drug shipments,” said Jeff Beasley of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. “There is a multitude of ways to get these drugs, and that’s what makes things complicated.”

And while some people may believe that the medicines’ legality makes them less dangerous than illegal drugs, Tuolumne County, Calif., Sheriff’s Office Deputy Dan Crow warns that this is not the case. Because everybody reacts differently to foreign chemicals, there is no way of predicting the exact response anyone will have to a given dosage. That is why prescription drugs are supposed to be taken under a doctor’s supervision.

“All this stuff is poison,” Crow said. “Your body will fight all of this stuff.”
Tuolumne County Health Officer Todd Stolp agreed. A prescription drug taken recreationally is “much like a firearm in the hands of someone who’s not trained to use them,” he said.

While anyone taking a prescription medicine runs a risk of negative effects, the drugs are even more dangerous when abused. For example, many painkillers are designed to have a delayed effect that fades out over time. This can lead recreational users to take more drugs before the old ones are out of their system, placing them at risk of an overdose. Likewise, the common practice of grinding pills up causes a large dose of drugs to hit the body all at once, with potentially dangerous consequences.

“A medication that was meant to be distributed over 24 hours has immediate effect,” Stolp said.

Even more dangerous is the trend of mixing drugs with alcohol, which, like most popularly abused drugs, is a depressant.

“In the case of alcohol and drugs, one plus one equals more than two,” said Tuolumne County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Lt. Dan Bressler.

Florida pays careful attention to drug-related deaths, and as such has significantly better data on the problem than any other state. But a recent study conducted by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) suggests that the problem is indeed national. According to the DEA, the number of people abusing prescription drugs in the United States has jumped 80 percent in six years to seven million, or more than those abusing cocaine, Ecstasy, heroin, hallucinogens an inhalants put together.

Not surprisingly, there has been a corresponding increase in deaths. According to the Drug Abuse Warning Network, the number of emergency room visits related to painkillers has increased by 153 percent since 1995. And a 2007 report by the Justice Department National Intelligence Drug Center found that deaths related to the opioid methadone jumped from 786 in 1999 to 3,849 in 2004 - an increase of 390 percent.

Many experts attribute the trend to the increasing popularity among doctors of prescribing painkillers, combined with a leap in direct-to-consumer marketing by drug companies. For example, promotional spending on Oxycontin increased threefold between 1996 and 2001, to $30 million per year.

Sonora, Calif., pharmacist Eddie Howard reports that he’s seen painkiller prescriptions jump dramatically in the last five years.

“I don’t know that there is that much pain out there to demand such an increase,” he said.
The trend concerns Howard, and he tries to keep an eye out for patients who are coming in too frequently. But he admits that there is little he can do about the problem.

“When you have a lot of people waiting for prescriptions, it’s hard to find time to play detective,” he said.

Still, the situation makes Howard uncomfortable.

“It almost makes me a legalized drug dealer, and that’s not a good position to be in,” he said.

Sources for this story include: www.nytimes.com; www.uniondemocrat.com"



I am in now way trying to be combative or start anything. But this is a subject that is close to my heart for many reasons. I know a lot of people that are addicted to both prescription and illegal drugs. I just don't like to read that someone who abuses prescription medication is not as bad as someone who abuses illegal drugs.

The truth is, in fact, that the person is not "bad" at all. The person is sick. Addiction-no matter what it is to- is a disease. And should be treated as such by everyone. I really think that if people stopped giving people who are addicted or dependent on ANY kind of drug the "junkie" moniker than maybe they would be more likely to actually reach out and get the help they so need!

OK getting off my Soap Box now....
 
Mello, thank you for a VERY thought-provoking article. As it is with "investigations," many more issues were raised here than can be resolved, but those issues are worth exploring in detail. I think the primary value of this article is in how many ideas it raises, that can inspire further conversations. The answers are NOT simple, as much as we'd like them to be.

There are many ideas in the article, but I want to look at just a few of the concepts here.

Ultimately, Michael Jackson as a ‘drug addict’ has to take personal responsibility in that one cannot help an addict unless or until an addict wants to help himself. But if he was a drug addict, then he was NOT HEALTHY.

Here is my premise in response to this one. The Michael-the-addict story is primarily a media construction about a man who was extremely complex.

Media very early-on fabricated stories -- stories that would raise ratings? -- under the assumption Michael had abused prescription medications and had screwed up, personally. At first many people assumed this to be true. Anderson Cooper harped on this idea, Leonard Rowe seemed to confirm, as well as Deepak Chopra and others, and there were many "addiction specialists" trotted out. ("Dr. Drew" never seems to miss an opportunity.) The fact is, we do NOT know the truth, about pretty much anything related to Michael and drugs. We don't know if the small leaks from the "autopsy report" are accurate, or if someone was paid-off (happens all the time), or what? BUT, if that partial report can be believed, Michael didn't have any opiates in his system, and the drugs that were identified were all related to anxiety and/or a sleep-disorder. The killer drug, Propofol, cannot be self-administered. The ASSUMED Demerol overdose did not happen, as much as the pundits so badly wanted to believe Michael went the way of Elvis. . . because that made for a better story.

There is also the partial autopsy report that Michael was healthy. (Except for inflamed lungs?). As Mello wrote, how can a drug addict be this healthy? Wouldn't there be some sign of long-term drug-abuse? The answer is. . .PROBABLY. None was reported. Oddly, in the leaked autopsy report there was no mention of any chronic illness or disability (back-pain? Lupus? Scarring from the burn-injury?). NOT mentioned. So was the report accurate? We do NOT know. . . . and anyone who says she/he DOES know. . .is wrong. . . .

Therefore, either the autopsy report (that part of it that was leaked) was WRONG, and Michael had abused drugs, long-term, or he had not abused drugs to the extent where he was physically damaged from it. It's either/or, and we do not KNOW, for sure.

What DO we know about Michael and drugs? He was very private about medical matters. We DO know that he had chronic pain from a back injury (the bridge-collapse in Munich) and may have had other physical pain that was sometimes severe enough to require medications so he could function, and raise his children.

We DO know that he encountered heavy-duty pain-killers when he was burned, and that they were necessary to treat extreme pain, and that he took pain-killers for subsequent painful surgeries on his scalp.

We DO know that he went into rehab in 1993, following the Chandler accusations. Michael was very courageous in sharing that info with the public.

We DO know that Michael said in a deposition in 2007 (Schaffel case) that some contracts he did not remember signing, because of drug-impairment. His OWN words, so this tells us that the problem did not end in 1993. Were there other contracts he signed and then didn't fully remember? Maybe.

Beyond that, we do not know, at least officially, but yet the media was only too happy to paint him as a druggie, until the propofol story hit the news. Instead of retracting the earlier addict stories, that news simply went away. . . . . .

Mello wrote: If Michael Jackson is a drug addict, then so am I and so is anyone else who takes prescription drugs regularly. My premise is, the label of "drug addict" is very cloudy and to apply that label to Michael, based on so little information, is WRONG.

"DRUGS!" bring up negative connotations for a complex issue. Some people with chronic pain manage it through prescription medications and in the process become physically addicted. The meds are prescribed by DOCTORS, the more responsible of whom weigh the relative value of taking the drugs and being functional in the face of chronic pain, risking addiction, or who "just say no" and leave the patient to suffer. I've had debilitating back-pain. I KNOW how bad that can be. I didn't take drugs for it, and as a result there were many things I could not do and I lost years of my life, including things I could NOT do for my daughter as a single-parent. If I had had the choice (I use alternative medicines), would I have taken prescription pain-killers? Probably. Would there have been any sort of moral failure attached to that? NO, there would not have been.

Anderson Cooper questioned Michael's parenting because of alleged drug use. Here is my premise, that there is every indication that Michael was a GREAT parent.

I think we should believe his daughter, above everyone else. There is no one I've ever heard of who had anything negative to say about Michael's parenting, among those who actually knew him.

Mello brings up the point of the over-prescribing of drugs. My premise is that in Western culture, the over-use of drugs -- LEGAL drugs -- is an epidemic. It would seem that Michael was a victim of that, at times? Some people have a lot of trust in doctors (I do not, in general, but that's another story. . ) Part of the problem lies with pharmaceutical companies, specifically, and the "design" of drugs. My region was ground-zero for drug-trials of Oxycontin. There is now a huge problem here with addiction, including drug-related robberies, forgeries, and so on. Oxycontin is INCREDIBLY addictive! Doesn't take much. The addiction is both physical and psychological. It's pretty easy to get hooked, and it is because of the nature of the drug itself (and similar opiate type drugs), and from the over-prescription by doctors. It is the drug-trials in my region that basically led to a huge problem with Oxycontin addiction and related CRIMES. The addiction can be that strong, and it is the drug-companies' FAULT in the design of the drug and its properties.

Any doctor has the charge of looking after the welfare of individual patients, not just pulling out a prescription pad. There are pain-management clinics, and alternative methods for controlling pain. I KNOW. I've used them. I believe that how ever much or little drugs had an involvement in Michael's life, that he was a GOOD parent. A GOOD person, and that he was mis-used and mis-advised by doctors who should have known better.

I believe it is WRONG to paint Michael as a "drug-addict," in a situation that is far more complex than that.
 
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They say Michael ate only fresh healthy food. He wanted to be healthy. How could he take dangerous drugs at the same time?? Weird.

I eat fresh and healthy, yet I smoke.
 
I eat fresh and healthy, yet I smoke.


Sure. People are complicated. Michael probably had his chef cook "fresh and healthy," but he also ate KFC, and as we know, that stuff is TERRIBLE for health. (skin on, or off. LOL)

People are complicated, and Michael probably more than most due to high intelligence and extreme creativity. As I often say, it just is what it is. He wasn't perfect. Nobody is.
 
They say Michael ate only fresh healthy food. He wanted to be healthy. How could he take dangerous drugs at the same time?? Weird.


The power of the addiction was probably stronger than his own ideals. That is the paradox in an addict. But it's really a shame for a doctor to let a sick man live out his addiction to his death. I can't understand such a irresponsibility. Every man realizes that something is wrong when someone wants/needs an anaesthetic for sleeping. There is always one important reason: I strongly hope not the intentional death. That would be devastating.

I eat fresh and healthy, yet I smoke.

But by smoking you can't kill yourself overnight.
 
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But by smoking you can't kill yourself overnight.


He didn't either if there was an anesthesiologist travelling

around with him during the HIStory tour. Different people

have different ways of rationalizing things and for different

reasons.
 
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Are they seriously stating that they "think Mike wasn't a good father"?!!!

kflhsfhjl that's why I rarely watch T.V.

I seriously believe Michael was not a "drug addict" I mean yes, he took prescriptions, but that doesn't mean he was an "addict" I mean please do tell, what 50 year old doesn't take prescriptions? I mean this whole "drug addict" story is just a story that's it. All these lil' people are coming out of the woodwork and making their story. Of course they will make it negative because that's the only way it will be heard in main stream media. Which in turn, will make these leeches more money. I mean that celeb doctor what's his name, idk but he is always on CNN or some show where the need a "doctor" to say Mike was a "drug addict." Yea he can go on back to his T.V. show celebrity rehab :smilerolleyes:
 
The power of the addiction was probably stronger than his own ideals. That is the paradox in an addict. But it's really a shame for a doctor to let a sick man live out his addiction to his death. I can't understand such a irresponsibility. Every man realizes that something is wrong when someone wants/needs an anaesthetic for sleeping. There is always one important reason: I strongly hope not the intentional death. That would be devastating.



But by smoking you can't kill yourself overnight.

this person has a clear agenda in every post he never failed to blame MJ for everything , For god's sake he even wanted fans to believe Etok and Halperin , he is a HATER , thank you Trish for doing the right thing . :clapping:
 
So far I have no reason not to believe Susan Etok

either, but that's for another thread ;)

I think Halperin is full of sh*t, hehe....
 
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