AP source: Jackson doc gave sedatives before death

GinnyJackson

Proud Member
Joined
Jul 25, 2011
Messages
4,626
Points
0
Location
Earth
By THOMAS WATKINS and JUSTIN PRITCHARD, Associated Press Writers Thomas Watkins And Justin Pritchard, Associated Press Writers – 27 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – Hours before Michael Jackson's death, his doctor administered multiple sedatives along with a powerful anesthetic the pop star used to sleep, according to a law enforcement official. It's a safe combination if done properly; potentially lethal if not.
The official said the type of sedatives Dr. Conrad Murray gave Jackson were benzodiazepines, often used to calm patients before surgery. Murray told investigators the doses were within normal medical guidelines, said the official, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
Even at acceptable levels, benzodiazepines can intensify how the anesthetic propofol depresses breathing, so strict monitoring and careful dosing is required. The balance can be tricky, a slip-up disastrous.
Murray, who administered the drugs to Jackson in a room at the pop star's rented mansion, told investigators Jackson stopped breathing the morning of June 25 and he was unable to revive him. The doctor is the central figure in what police term a manslaughter investigation, but authorities have not classified him a suspect.
In a written statement Thursday, Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, dismissed as "ridiculous" the official's assertion that Murray gave Jackson multiple drugs.
"We are not going to be responding to any accusations from any unnamed sources," Chernoff said.
As investigators build their case, a central issue is what drugs were in Jackson's system when he died. The official said preliminary toxicology tests detected the propofol, a drug normally used to render patients unconscious for medical procedures but that Jackson used as a sleep aid.
Further analysis will determine whether other drugs were present and in what quantity, allowing the coroner to conclude whether they contributed to the death.
If a twice-delayed final toxicology report reveals an array of drugs, the answer to the simple question "What killed Michael Jackson?" will become a complex medical and legal dispute, especially if authorities can't prove Murray knew everything Jackson was taking. That would complicate any prosecution.
If the results show "a bunch of stuff together, unless one of them is sky high it's going to be really tough to give the cause of death to one drug," said Dr. Richard Clark, director of the division of medical toxicology at the University of California, San Diego.
The Los Angeles County coroner uses a form that allows for three causes of death, plus a fourth line for other contributing factors. Given Jackson's long history with prescription and other drugs, Clark said he expects the coroner's office will conclude Jackson died from "multiple drug toxicity."
Anna Nicole Smith and Heath Ledger were found to have died from lethal combinations of drugs.
Craig Harvey, chief investigator at the coroner's office, declined to discuss any findings from the toxicology report or autopsy. He said delays in releasing the findings were due to "investigative issues."
A discovery of several substances in Jackson's system could benefit Murray should he face criminal charges, said Steve Cron, a criminal defense attorney and adjunct professor at Pepperdine University's law school.
"The more drugs in his system, the more deniability (a doctor) has," Cron said, provided Murray could show he didn't know Jackson was on the other drugs.
"But what did the doctor know?" Cron asked. "Did he do his due diligence by trying to find this stuff out, or just look the other way?"
Murray has talked to detectives but has not spoken publicly since Jackson died. Chernoff has said Murray gave Jackson nothing that "should have" killed him and specifically said the physician did not give Jackson the narcotic painkillers Demerol or OxyContin.
The law enforcement official said Demerol was not found in Jackson's home, but the official said a large amount of propofol and several types of benzodiazepines were in a walk-in closet and the room where Jackson slept his last night.
Benzodiazepines, the "mother's little helper" Mick Jagger sang about, include such widely used antianxiety drugs as Valium and Xanax, as well as Ativan and Versed. The law enforcement official wouldn't name which benzodiazepines Murray told investigators he gave Jackson.
Combining propofol with benzodiazepines is common in operating rooms. Doing so in a private home is not, and it raises numerous safety issues.
Murray, a cardiologist who was hired as Jackson's personal physician in May, is not an anesthesia specialist, and medical experts question whether he had proper monitoring and lifesaving equipment when he administered the propofol to Jackson.
Propofol is extremely powerful, and even a small miscalculation in a dose can cause a dangerous drop in breathing and heartbeat. Some benzodiazepines also affect breathing rate, making the combination potentially deadly, according to several anesthesiologists including Dr. John Dombrowski, a board member of the American Society of Anesthesiologists who runs the private Washington Pain Center.
While anesthesiology is rooted in science, some of its top practitioners describe balancing the doses of several drugs as an art. Patients can react differently to the same drugs, especially if they have built up tolerance through long-term use or abuse.
People not properly trained in such nuances are playing within a small margin for error, Dombrowski said.
"We've made it look so simple," Dombrowski said. Nonspecialists may "view it as, `Well, it should be pretty straight forward,' and they get caught with their pants down."

Take it as you well it was in my yahoo mail this morning.
 
They don't mention the delay in calling 911 or the bad CPR anymore... just make Michael out to be a druggie. Even if he was on multiple drugs and ones Murray didn't know about why not question Murray's behaviour that day...?!
 
ive only ever tried valium years ago during high school when a friend gave it to me (telling me it would get rid of my headache) and for the next day i was humming and walking around like my feet werent touching the ground. but most doctors i know dont prescribe it anymore or xanax because of the risks associated and because half the people who come into their practice are addicted to it. basically they help relieve stress and anxiety and help a person relax and in higher doses can knock the person out. if he did give sedatives they should still be in the stomach at autospy
 
The Los Angeles County coroner uses a form that allows for three causes of death, plus a fourth line for other contributing factors. Given Jackson's long history with prescription and other drugs, Clark said he expects the coroner's office will conclude Jackson died from "multiple drug toxicity."
Wow. Now it's a given that Michael had a long history with prescription and "other drugs"?

It's outrageous that so many are seeking to minimize what Murray allegedly did. The gist of the article is that the doctor both gave Michael sedatives and administered an anaesthetic under risky conditions. That alone was deeply irresponsible.
 
dr is giving a general comment on cases. he doesnt know the facts of this case.a sedative hardly makes him a druggie and no mention of demoral even been in the house
 
If Murray claims he didn't know what other drugs Jackson was taking, his intentional delay in calling 911, his staged "get Prince" bit, his two hood rats cleaning out files for him at the storage facility, and his lying about phone lines and not knowing the address will still cost him his freedom. It cost Jackson his life.

And by the way, I hope the jury has mostly women because they will likely look down on the doctor involving Prince in this mess.
 
To Hell with the corporate media and their news whores.
All the people in America and half the people of mainland China,
now know Michael Jackson was murdered by the gangsters that
run the record industry.
Make sure everyone you know sees this speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb9PFrmCT4&eurl
 
I was coming over here to post this. Thank you.

So the plot thickens...

It was said before that undigested pills were found in Michaels stomach during the autopsy.

Here's an addition to my conspiracy theory. Michael was already dead due to Murray's negligence, whether he fell asleep or not when he SHOULD have been watching Michael like a hawk. So he spent those frantic morning hours stuffing pills down Michael's throat in an attempt to CLAIM that he didn't know Michael was taking other medication which caused a toxic reaction to the propofol (that he was illegally administering). And this idiot is still walking free... So instead of admitting he murdered Michael he will admit to being totally incompetent as a Doctor?

When you get paid $150,000 a month to take care of a super star you sure as hell better know "AS A DOCTOR" each and every medication the person you're hired to take care of is ingesting. Do they seriously think we're going to believe this blather? Everytime I see a new doctor they make you list the medications you're taking, if any.

C'MON! Is anyone else getting more and more pissed off at the spaghetti mess they keep trying to serve us to make it all the more confusing?

A fact (not a theory or conspiracy point): Murray was hired to take care of Michael. Michael is dead under Murray's "care". And there are a lot of other facts that stink but I'll leave it as is...
 
To ADD to my rant - they found a variety of drugs in Michaels closet in his room? Okay, WHO PUT THEM THERE??? Another ploy to make Michael out as a "drug addict" who kept loads of drugs in his closet. Oh Please....

But Murray had people clearing out his storage units?? And yet left the drugs he was well aware of (if they were even there before Murray planted them there) in Michael's closet?

I know Michael and God expect us and taught us to love but you know what, I CANNOT take this crap today. And I hate everyone involved in Michael's murder. And probably tomorrow or tonight I'll feel guilty about what I've just said publicly and I'll want to erase it but I'm LIT UP right now and I'm so sick of all the cloak and dagger bullshit. I'm sorry.
 
if Michael died "in the morning", why was the first 911 call made around 12noon?

ugh. I fear we'll never know the truth. and I trust LAPD the LEAST.
 
To ADD to my rant - they found a variety of drugs in Michaels closet in his room? Okay, WHO PUT THEM THERE??? Another ploy to make Michael out as a "drug addict" who kept loads of drugs in his closet.

It was the closet in Murray's room, wasn't it?

Side thought - when the results of the tox report (and the filing of criminal charges) are made public, do people think we'll get a heads up about a press conference?
 
It was the closet in Murray's room, wasn't it?

Side thought - when the results of the tox report (and the filing of criminal charges) are made public, do people think we'll get a heads up about a press conference?


"The law enforcement official said Demerol was not found in Jackson's home, but the official said a large amount of propofol and several types of benzodiazepines were in a walk-in closet and the room where Jackson slept his last night."

This was in the above article.
 
Thanks for posting. However, I believe NOTHING on mainstream media anymore, and especially those "reports" where a source is not named. There is some sort of vested interest going on in making Michael seem like a drug-addict. If there is an "ongoing investigation," then "sources close to the police" should NOT leak. They should shut up.

No way to know who put drugs in a closet. The house was not isolated as a CRIME SCENE. Anything could have been planted or taken away and anyone with a pea-sized brain or larger, KNOWS THAT.

I'm furious. Going for a walk. . . . .
 
Here's an addition to my conspiracy theory. Michael was already dead due to Murray's negligence, whether he fell asleep or not when he SHOULD have been watching Michael like a hawk. So he spent those frantic morning hours stuffing pills down Michael's throat in an attempt to CLAIM that he didn't know Michael was taking other medication which caused a toxic reaction to the propofol (that he was illegally administering). And this idiot is still walking free... So instead of admitting he murdered Michael he will admit to being totally incompetent as a Doctor?

wow. that's a big assumption there. But it could be possible. With the right training and technology, doctors can do anything these days.

They said many pills were found in his stomach. I just don't understand why Michael would take so many pills into his body right before that dangerous drug.

But maybe the pills just didn't dissolve...
 
Last edited:
if Michael died "in the morning", why was the first 911 call made around 12noon?

ugh. I fear we'll never know the truth. and I trust LAPD the LEAST.
because the doc fell alsleep


To ADD to my rant - they found a variety of drugs in Michaels closet in his room? Okay, WHO PUT THEM THERE??? Another ploy to make Michael out as a "drug addict" who kept loads of drugs in his closet. Oh Please....
those drugs arent making him out to be an addict they are what u use when u take diprivan

latest from tmz
ackson Toxicology Report -- Propofol Plus ...

Posted Aug 7th 2009 3:10PM by TMZ Staff

Multiple law enforcement sources tell us the toxicology report in the Michael Jackson case shows Jackson had a lethal amount of the anesthetic Propofol in his system -- but that wasn't the only drug.

We're told the toxicology findings show there was also Xanax -- generic is called alprazolam -- in Jackson's system. Xanax is used to treat anxiety.

But our sources say Propofol was -- as one source put it -- "front and center in terms of why [Jackson] died."
 
wow. that's a big assumption there. But it could be possible. With the right training and technology, doctors can do anything these days.

They said many pills were found in his stomach. I just don't understand why Michael would take so many pills into his body right before that dangerous drug.

But maybe the pills just didn't dissolve...

I'm holding back. Good thing I'm in the Investigative Unit thread where we can freely post our theories and assumptions.
 
So the last time Michael was alive and well was the evening before? Does anyone know what time he went to bed? And he normally had breakfast so why didn't the Dr go in at the usual time in the morning and when he couldn't wake him call 911 in the morning, why after mid-day or was the Dr asleep all morning? Did the Dr sleep over that night?
 
So the last time Michael was alive and well was the evening before? Does anyone know what time he went to bed? And he normally had breakfast so why didn't the Dr go in at the usual time in the morning and when he couldn't wake him call 911 in the morning, why after mid-day or was the Dr asleep all morning? Did the Dr sleep over that night?

I only know that he left rehearsal at 12:30am - Alive...
 
"The law enforcement official said Demerol was not found in Jackson's home, but the official said a large amount of propofol and several types of benzodiazepines were in a walk-in closet and the room where Jackson slept his last night."

This was in the above article.

I thought I'd read somewhere that MJ wasn't in his own bedroom that night but another room used by Murray....Also that Murray used to, since he was hired, be at MJ's house overnight and then leave the next day. I reckon Murray was on 'night shifts' basically and didn't have a bedroom at the property, but he had a 'treatment room'.
 
because the doc fell alsleep

at least that's what they say.

By watching four five doctors ministering propofol to just one patient, I think a doctor would have enough since to stay awake no matter what?

But then again, he's just a cardiologist. So the heck taught him to use that medicine???

I don't like how they're just blaming Murray. Someone else used this drug on Michael before and that doctor should go down with Murray too. Including the person who taught Murray how to use propofol.
 
well funny hislawyer denies it cuz that's wha tthey found in mj's system. xanax andpropofol

I don't think it looks too good for Murray because he was the last one with Michael before Michael died. And he was the one that gave Michael the stuff that finally took him out. Murray's lawyer is desperately trying to get Murray off the hook for this. But (to me), Murray knew (or seriously should have known) that this was dangerous and he should never have given it to Michael in the first place, no matter what. And he had to have known that it was illegal outside of a hospital setting and did it anyway. How can the authorities just ignore that?
 
Last edited:
I had no idea there were reports about "undisolved" pills in Michael's stomach during autopsy?
 
To ADD to my rant - they found a variety of drugs in Michaels closet in his room? Okay, WHO PUT THEM THERE??? Another ploy to make Michael out as a "drug addict" who kept loads of drugs in his closet. Oh Please....

But Murray had people clearing out his storage units?? And yet left the drugs he was well aware of (if they were even there before Murray planted them there) in Michael's closet?

I know Michael and God expect us and taught us to love but you know what, I CANNOT take this crap today. And I hate everyone involved in Michael's murder. And probably tomorrow or tonight I'll feel guilty about what I've just said publicly and I'll want to erase it but I'm LIT UP right now and I'm so sick of all the cloak and dagger bullshit. I'm sorry.
Did they say it was Michael closet
I thought is was stated it was in the doctors closet

but still this is all speculation as no authority has
released any official info yet

we dont even know what drugs were found in MJs system yet
NO we dont know yet -

we do know that is the doctors behaviour is very suspicious
and that he was with MJ - what ever he did give MJ contributed
to his death _ I only hope they can prove it .. or that they can
find enough info to charge him - so the info will be made public.

I just have a feeling tehy dont have anything conscusive
to be able to charge the doctor _ I hope Im wrong :(
 
Last edited:
don't like how they're just blaming Murray. Someone else used this drug on Michael before and that doctor should go down with Murray too. Including the person who taught Murray how to use propofol.
neil ratner and kilen IMHO
 
I just have a feeling tehy dont have anything conscusive
to be able to charge the doctor _ I hope Im wrong :(

Why am I getting a nasty feeling that if they were going to charge Murray, the toxicology result would be published already and the charges would have been made by now.

I hope I'm wrong........

btw aren't they gonna hold a press conference to announce the results? Think I read that somewhere
 
maybe they ain't just gonna charge murray. maybe they wanna bring everyone down at the same time so no one runs.

and if the pills were undissolved then mj died shortly after he was given the propofol and the tod may be much earlier
 
at least that's what they say.

By watching four five doctors ministering propofol to just one patient, I think a doctor would have enough since to stay awake no matter what?

But then again, he's just a cardiologist. So the heck taught him to use that medicine???

I don't like how they're just blaming Murray. Someone else used this drug on Michael before and that doctor should go down with Murray too. Including the person who taught Murray how to use propofol.

Kline admitted on LKL that he used Propofol on Jackson during procedures. I need to find out if this is an addictive drug.
 
wow. that's a big assumption there. But it could be possible. With the right training and technology, doctors can do anything these days.

They said many pills were found in his stomach. I just don't understand why Michael would take so many pills into his body right before that dangerous drug.

But maybe the pills just didn't dissolve...


If there were undigested pills in stomach (what is in the media might not true) why were they undigested ?and obviously it wasn't those pills which killed him. If undigested they have not be broken down and absorbed into his system, so this makes me feel that they were forced down him shortly before he died, before there was time to digest, to make him look like a drug addict.
 
Back
Top